Was Slavery Good？ (What About Smex Slaves？)
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In this episode, Simone and Simone discuss a concept that was way more interesting than they expected it to be as they dive into it: Is slavery good or bad? Simone discusses the history of slavery in the Middle East, why it's a problem, and why it needs to stop.
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Today, we are going to be talking about a concept that was way more interesting than
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I expected it to be as I started to dive into it.
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And what brought up this concept is like, obviously, this is not a topic we were allowed
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to talk about growing up or we've been allowed to talk about more broadly as a society.
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And so then Tucker Carlson and the left has been hugely glazing recently places like Qatar.
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And I'm like, well, Qatar's a slave state, right?
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Like, so if he can talk about how great Qatari cities are, at least the faction of the right
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that like doesn't like this weird Tucker faction, they think slave states are awesome now.
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And the left thinks slave states are awesome now because, you know, across the Middle East,
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Fun fact, by the way, in Gaza, the neighborhood where blacks are kept is called slaves or like slave neighborhood.
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But more specifically, because I wanted to check this to make sure I was right.
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Yeah, it's called the neighborhood of the slaves is where black people live in Gaza because having slaves is so common there.
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and there were around 11 000 afro-palestinians uh around one percent of the population of gaza
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was black uh and and brought there to be slaves so yeah i mean this is common in the in the there's
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a black ghetto in gaza yeah in the area well they bring them in and use them as slaves basically so
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remember that the when they were doing the mass genocide in darfur there was like
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what was it 10 exercise of the deaths in gaza that this genocide was of muslims against blacks
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and they called them slaves that was no it's not not exactly it's more just that they were kind of
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synonymous it's just like oh just the one used for black person sort of it was what's the word
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for when something's like phoenix you know or band-aid where like you know it becomes genericized
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of like well they're they're the same thing and then so then i'm i'm i am sure that american
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blacks would believe if you use the word analogy for that you're like it's just synonymous
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synonymous category is people who annoy you audience keep quiet please
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uh well uh 10 seconds mr marsh i know it but i don't think i should say it oh
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oh oh naggers of course naggers right uh can we cut to uh can we cut to a it's more just that
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they were kind of synonymous like yes it was used in that context but we use it in different contexts
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all the time now if you live in a society where the only ever time you see someone who is you
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know we'll say who has purple hair is a slave you're just gonna be like well i need to get a
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purple-haired person you know around the plantation or whatever tucker went further by the way i just
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don't buy your argument at all they mean it as a slur they mean it as this is how we see you because
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it's common in those regions but by the way fun fact more slaves on earth today than there ever
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have been in human history that's no i knew that and it really frustrates me when people are like
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oh we practiced slavery in the past we're so humiliated it's like i know what do you care
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like stop worrying about reparations maybe stop slavery today there's stuff you can do today
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because yeah that's what gets me when a woke person complains about being enslaved it's like
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you only get to complain about being enslaved if you're going to do something about the slavery
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that exists today yeah because my ancestors did something about your ancestors slavery
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so what are you doing for the existing oh nothing so you're no better than all the the white people
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whose descendants are now you know implicated in reparations requirements or white guilt or
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whatever it is coming out in this episode is is is actually probably more that if we're talking
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about who did more harm to who oh the the southerners the reparations and we'll get into
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some data on that but to get it even spicy i know i know from a moral perspective but if we're just
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talking about economically they were a net hindrance to the region oh no yeah yeah gosh i
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feel like i was reading to this just recently someone talking about how oh yeah no one of the
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people who is talks with with the pod a lot was talking about how slavery ultimately held back
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technological advancement in the south um and how when you have not just the south you see it holding
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back wherever it's practiced and we'll go into why like it's the reason why rome didn't have an
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industrial revolution because they had a massive slave population if they didn't have that they
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probably would have had an industrial revolution looking at the technology that they had access to
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they had access to many of the early tools of the industrial revolution they just had no reason to
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use them because they had constant slave populations yeah yeah the general argument being
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that when you have an excess of human labor you tend to get lazy and not actually technological
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but this stuff isn't the most interesting stuff and i want to start with the most interesting stuff
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because the most interesting stuff actually comes from tucker's second comment which was when he
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went on about how we were demanding a total surrender of iran and iran knows what total
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surrender means it means that they have to give up their daughters and wives to be graped and he
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didn't think that americans wanted to go out there and do that and first of all we had total surrender
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from germany and japan during world war ii and like that was not a big problem so like how did
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how did tucker not know like that's a something that's really at least if you have a decent
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like basic level american education you would be aware of but it got me thinking okay tucker
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you're trying to normalize grape in war scenarios again right like bringing it up is it a good idea
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like are grape slaves a good idea right i'm talking about at a civilizational level
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uh-huh we know that different groups practice it at different rates it's it's very explicitly
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allowed in the quran you are i i love it when i first asked an ai this it said no the quran
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doesn't allow for the grape of the the the the grape of of women after area surrenders it goes
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it only allows you to have sexual relations with your slaves and you can take as many women slave
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as you want after you capture a region and i'm like that's great that's great okay if you are
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having sex with somebody who doesn't have the ability to turn you down because as the grant
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says if they are yours if they are your property because they're your property that is grape in
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every sense of the word okay yeah and we know that for jews in in in the the bible the the
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that has a you know rules for this you have you you are not allowed to do this you have to
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marry them first in like a ceremony and have like a grieving thing and they need to be taken as a
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legal wife but i mean they don't have much choice in the matter and we do know that jews practices
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in mass to the extent where 50 of the ancestral jewish dna is canaanite um so like there was
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heavy mixing of the populations this is also where a lot of the you know we're you know in
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the temple they had statues of other gods when you have the josiah reforms meaning that like
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the other gods practices had heavily integrated with jewish practices because of this intermarrying
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process and then they started being told not to intermarry and that's where judaism became more
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of a like monoethic thing but this became bigger after the temple if you're more interested in a
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four-hour deep dive on this you can see our topic the question that breaks judaism
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or our topic of when did jews become monogamous but jews had had those rules and then with
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christians you're you're you know love your enemies stuff like that it's it's it's pretty
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taken that you should not be taking slaves after a conflict and graping them but the problem is
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right is you can say okay this is what's in their legal text like for example in jewish legal texts
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still technically they could take wives from a conquered region but jews haven't done that in
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thousands of years right so what about christians different christian populations because there's
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different christian cultural groups but so i started to look into this and with in some
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christian cultural groups it is genuinely astonishing the extent to which they did not
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do this to give you an example there is not a single recorded case in all of american history
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of a puritan of a quaker or of someone of the backwoods tradition graping a native american
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captive really not even backwoods even backwards maybe like they don't like they would never
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document it because i mean how many so you could make this argument but the problem with the
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argument is we have tons and tons and tons of written puritan and quaker complaints about all
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of the things that they hated about the backwoods people and never in a single one of these complaints
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these complaints could even be made up yeah is an accusation of graping a captive native
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or really anyone else now i will note that they do complain that the backwoods people
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often married into native families and this is where it gets really and then they have like
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traditions of like maybe it was playful and and like kind of a pantomime but like carrying off
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women you know like stealing them of although it was it was pantomime like no legal no blood feuds
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we are aware of from anything that was seen as a genuine grape um and no accusations of it by
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surrounding populations that hated them now and the reason why it's particularly notable when
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you're talking about like the puritans and the quakers is the puritans and the quakers like the
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Puritans especially, were fastidious about documenting sexual crimes. We know of, for
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example, in Puritan settlements, one person did say something to a Native American woman that was
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seen as inappropriate, and so he was whipped. We do know of one other servant who was not a Puritan
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who attempted to rape a Native American woman and was severely punished. But hold on, this is where
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this gets interesting, and especially in regards to the backwards, because I want to focus on that
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it comes off as like weird why aren't they doing this when you go okay what about other christian
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populations what about the the cavaliers right yeah it appears the cavaliers graped pretty
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regularly in fact in the cavalier society graphing was considered a misdemeanor or less than a
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misdemeanor this is a southern society if you're talking about the u.s and a lot of people think
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of like all of the confederate states as like cavalier and and they were not we'll be going
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ever some maps soon. And you'll see that in the greater Appalachian region or the backwoods region,
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slavery just wasn't really practiced at all. It's like a huge wall against slavery. And we'll go
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into why that may be as well, right? Why did this group never practice it? And what was the economic
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effect of them never practicing it? But what about Catholics? Uh-oh. Uh-oh. I always hate having to
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go into this because this is one of those things where I didn't go into this like wanting to do a
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why are catholics always so persistent i don't know man it's just every episode you know like
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literally in this case i even was just looking for counter examples because i wanted to break
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things up and i couldn't find them uh this is just a problem with history it's um history
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makes them look bad but you must even know from your history the spanish particularly were
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basically grape machines i mean when they were colonizers they every every island they went to
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every colony there was not an ungrape captive i am actually not even aware of a single spanish
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expedition that didn't have significant graping going on so i decided to look into this was there
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any Spanish expedition that didn't grape natives and there is one actually the Alar Nunze Cabase
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de Vaca incident in which the ship crashed and the people on the ship over eight years had to live
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among native tribes and they in this incident I guess when their lives depended on it didn't
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grape them other than that we have no incidents like like no incidents of this happening it's
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it's really which is shocking because you see no incidents of it happening when it's the other way
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around which is very very significant okay and then you can be like okay what about other
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Catholic populations like what about Quebec what about Louisiana right this is interesting it
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appears these populations were probably at around the level of cavaliers like it happened and it
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happened frequently enough that the jesuits were constantly complaining about it but it it didn't
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appear to be truly systemic it was something that bad apples did it was not something that the
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captain and all the boys did that was very spanish and spanish it was just everybody like like we're
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going to go out and and and this had massive effects on these various populations this is
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part of the reason why you know when american catholics like complain about i've always been
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very confused about like catholics like nick fuentes complaining about catholic immigrants
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from latin america because i'm like but they're catholic immigrants right and he's like well
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they're genetically different for me and i'm like i mean that's mostly because of all the
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graping that the catholics did right like that's where a lot of that native american blood came
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from. There were some consensual arrangements within that, you know, led to the mixed blood
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in these settlements. But it seems like, at least in the early days, the vast majority was great.
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And this is where it gets really interesting, because the Backwoods people did frequently
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marry into native populations. But it was almost never the population, or not almost never, as far
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as we know, there's no historical accounts of it being the populations that they conquered.
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when they conquered a settlement they completely wiped them out that was that seemed to have been
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always the goal so it's not even like particularly more moral they just and also interesting you
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might not know this but it was also very rare for native americans of that region to create
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captives as well this is this is not true of native americans of the west oh okay you mean
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like in south america it was no no no northeastern america the the native americans that were
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abutting where the backwoods people were and where the puritans were did not grape their
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captives frequently really and there we have a lot of accounts from captives who were later freed
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and they document just it didn't happen to them this is notable that like native americans
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didn't do this in many cases whereas you know the the spanish almost always did right um so you're
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seeing like even a higher level of morality there but what are the consequences of this right and
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why might you have prohibitions against this why might you have cultural prohibitions against this
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and why did the backwoods people not do this when they apparently didn't have any prohibitions
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against wiping out Native American settlements the core answer to that just so we don't make it a big
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confusing question is you can find it by looking at the reports we do in other episodes where we
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contrast the different american cultural subgroups historically speaking love letters about like why
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they liked their wife or why they chose their wife or why their wife was awesome yeah and they they
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would say very different things about them in the cavalier it was mostly she's pretty in or she's
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very effeminate or she's of a good family a lot of it yeah or she's well-read right um connected
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from a good family whatever in the puritan tradition it was almost always she has great
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intellectual discussions with me like she's she's a very good conversationalist i really like
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you know the book she's read the thing that was what the puritans really cared about and if you
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go to the backwoods it's always like she's very good with a with a rifle she can defend the house
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well she can do chores really well she you know it was very much like how robust she was how much
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of a like martial spirit is really what they cared about and so if you are a culture that when
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you're looking for i want a strong mate and you just killed all of this person's family their
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brothers their fathers the rest of their clan you're you're not going to want to marry into
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that right you're not going to want to raise their kids especially if you're from a tradition
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that was pretty strictly monogamous and in the region and also they were they had a different
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relation to religion and and and they were presbyterian mostly than the other groups of
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the of the region but they were still very religious and and it guided sort of their
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moral choices and sometimes more important than their moral choices their hierarchy was in the
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surrounding community like people would have looked down on them for something like this if
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it got out and within cultures that care about that sort of honor you're not gonna break those
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sorts of taboos even if you don't have the the religious morality right and this also explains
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why they were totally okay with marrying the tribes that they fought alongside they're like
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oh you know you fight with us you're strong like we'll marry into this all right so to continue
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here the core downside was oh and and by the way people are wondering if great slaves are still
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common in islamic countries in terms of enslaved populations they are very common it's a huge
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problem in qatar in the uae even though these people aren't like by what the quran would say
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technically slaves they still get graped very frequently it's a big problem so yeah oh also
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if you're wondering mormons not a single known case of a mormon raping a native captive and they
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did have native captains on occasion so oh they did oh yeah yeah yeah other other population that
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that did not great so it's like this this makes it even more stark about like the spanish doing
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this constantly and the french doing this occasionally because apparently a lot of
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people can get by like without doing it it's not like an inevitability even if there's active yeah
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animosity or even if they are for example like early mormons expanding into what might be
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territory inhabited by native americans already indigenous people whatever we're calling them now
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yeah okay well and i think i mean obviously i might be biased because i'm partially from
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the backwoods tradition myself but i think the backwoods idea around this is actually
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fundamentally pretty good which is to say if you were able to conquer a territory you probably
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don't want to marry the women of that territory because they are then genetically conquering your
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own people and we actually see this repeatedly of other groups that were very violent and
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expansionist so examples here are well one muslims two vikings vikings is a is a better example
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muslims actually got more genetic spread but vikings actually had an almost negligible genetic
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spread in the regions that they conquered and use smex slaves it who didn't do that though was
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alexander the grade he had this policy of getting his top leadership to mary and whatever regions
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and he picked up wives in the various regions they conquered like roxanne for example yeah
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my understanding is that the greek genetic influence in those regions was wiped out pretty
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quickly partially as kind of diluted it instantly they also just didn't seem to like stop to actually
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really set up and entrench in many of the places where they you know i mean this this shows you
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know if you're if you're playing like the genetics game right and and having your genetics within a
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region helps your culture thrive grow within that region because usually the two are sort of co i'm
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gonna say comorbid but like they they have a i forget what it's called like a beneficial cycle
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with each other like the the the genes in the culture often have predilections together that
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make them work more easily together so so an example of this could be you could develop as
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Simone that knows that I have for example who knows if this is from my ancestors but I have a
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pretty strong disgust reaction towards women that I see as beneath me and I just never really slept
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around with women I saw as beneath me even when I did sleep around a lot because I saw it as and
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this is partially why I don't sleep as women who have high body counts but it's not just that it's
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like more generally like she knew this was the problem with her and her degree that she talks
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about where i was like it's pretty gross that you don't have like an active turnoff related to
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college degree and it wasn't even like i didn't have one it was that it was the wrong college
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well you yeah you were valedictorian even and i was like i guess that makes up for it but you know
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you do have to go to cambridge if we're getting married yeah i don't want to keep dealing with
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this it's interesting that at a subconscious level my brain rather than recognizing elite
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colleges as like an elitist thing the way they would typically be recognized i saw it as just
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a sign of fitness and competing within the existing societal structure at least the one
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that existed when i was growing up i doubt my kids will feel that way because it's no longer
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relevant in terms of your ability to amass power whether that power is capital followers etc but it
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was then but no it is it is like an active disgust pathway that i have right it is interesting yeah
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that like what one cultural group might be like oh yeah absolutely like i'd hit that and other
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people being like you know why would i i would not even think about it like that yeah i started
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to think about it in the case of like tucker carlson offer right this is what actually got
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me thinking about it and i was like what american troops would want to like yeah like would i
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actually like i mean there's a lot of incels in the u.s it would be like yeah sign me up i will
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i i will go to iran i will take one for the team america but i i think a a fairly large percent of
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the american male population would just be like why would i do that yeah yeah yeah like doesn't
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seem like my thing and and note again we don't see this in all populations populations that are
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famous for graping captives are for example the japanese japanese famously graped about anyone
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they could capture constantly and consistently and in fact they did it even more than the
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catholics so you know hey at least the catholics aren't as bad as the japanese yay yay did they
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did the japanese do more than the catholics i mean i might ask ai i mean are we talking numerically
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are we talking in forms of violence i'm talking in terms of frequency like they have a captive
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what's the probability uh-huh all right checked it out and the answer is not even close this
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Japanese are way more likely to rape than Catholics, even if you narrow that Catholic
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population to only Spanish colonizers when measured on a per-soldier, per-captive, per-opportunity
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basis. Apparently, not even close. Casual grape was considered a routine reward for soldiers in
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the japanese army but wait wasn't that true of the spanish colonizers they say the main reason
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is because it varied by region if there was like a monastery in that region they would stop them
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okay well not stop them but complain about it loudly yeah like if you're a woman and you're
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taken captive by type a type b type c you know catholic spaniard japanese military man
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protestant yeah backwoods person quaker quaker is like none no i i like i i was going through
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this with ai to try to find like any account ai's great for that i can be like any historical
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example can you find one concretely recorded historical example can you imagine they wouldn't
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even know where to go because if you asked a quaker woman you know like she let's say that
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there's something wrong with like you know her her chest she'd be like oh my stomach hurts
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if she had you know problems in her you know intimate areas she'd say my stomach hurts you
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know the big problem where the pirates kept raiding them and they wouldn't do anything about
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it and it was a big debate in philadelphia of like whether we should do anything about the
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pirates that keep killing and graping our population and they were like i don't know
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like the the it would be violent to stop them you you could i when i say woke culture came
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from quaker culture like it really like the the similarities are astonishing um but that is read
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the pragmatist guide the crafting religion or we might do another episode on that make for a good
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episode but the advantages of this so i've talked about other cultures that quickly exploded out
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onto a population out of nowhere starting with very small starting numbers and most of the
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american groups represent one of these populations the starting quaker population in america was
00:26:17.500
small the starting puritan population in america was small the starting cavalier population in
00:26:22.200
america was small like we're talking about like the actual immigrants over but the starting reaver
00:26:26.200
population that the backwoods came from which were gangs in of ulster scots in a in a lawless
00:26:32.480
territory of scotland they were maybe as i pointed out in the past maybe 3 000 fighting age men in
00:26:38.660
total that exploded into one of the dominant american cultures and one of the largest cultures
00:26:42.840
on earth that really only compares in terms of its explosive conquering of a region to again like
00:26:48.920
the vikings or the muslims or something like that but the vikings didn't have a lasting genetic
00:26:52.780
impact except in one region where did the vikings have a lasting genetic impact
00:26:57.380
oh don't tell me that that's not where they came from i want to say the midwest it would no it was
00:27:06.880
the only region where they didn't have anyone to grape not in the united states like ice iceland
00:27:12.680
iceland and greenland okay okay okay okay okay just like new land to settle interesting because
00:27:18.720
they didn't well they they conquered other territories really extensively to the point
00:27:23.220
where there's tons of towns named after them in england there's tons of you know
00:27:27.380
but they just did not have much of a genetic impact it appears to be between four and six
00:27:32.900
percent um except in the orcanian shetlands islands there's a very high island at the
00:27:39.060
very top of scotland where they had permanent settlements and there it's uh 23 to 28 percent
00:27:43.860
to have a genetic impact you have to be way more systemic about it and set up colonies and have a
00:27:49.940
native population die off which really requires a spanish level amount of this and in spanish
00:27:54.980
territories about that they did become the dominant genetic ancestor in the regions and
00:28:00.700
they have around i think like across latin america it's about 25 native american blood left
00:28:08.960
but a lot of now you can say well yeah but how is that working for them in those regions like
00:28:16.320
are these regions economically successful did the cultures meld well did they meld harmoniously in a
00:28:22.360
way that led to technologically productive capacity and not endless civil wars and fights
00:28:27.560
you could argue maybe that's a a poor integration of the cultures that led to that maybe it's just
00:28:35.680
catholic culture more broadly because we've talked in other episodes that catholics have military
00:28:38.460
coups at a way higher rate than than protestants do but if you contrast it with the backwoods
00:28:44.400
people which did genetically integrate to an extent now to a way lower extent i i'd estimate
00:28:48.960
their level of genetic integration is 2.5 percent unless you're getting to specific
00:28:53.840
subpopulations like the i forget what they're called but they like heavily integrated with
00:28:58.780
the native american population and they've become pretty genetically successful in some parts of the
00:29:02.700
appellation territories and they have a a name so they integrated with free slaves and native
00:29:08.260
americans and they have a different and unique culture that that has been pretty successful and
00:29:13.300
is still surviving um but all of these groups they never had like after the initial rebellions
00:29:19.460
of the colonial period they didn't really have any discordance nor was there a huge differentiation
00:29:26.940
in society between like the people of this culture with some native blood and the people without some
00:29:32.620
native blood to the extent that like it's not even well documented who is partially native for most
00:29:39.300
of these regions, which I think would surprise, you know, people from the Spanish areas where you
00:29:45.680
did keep heavy track of this because it determined your social standing in society. So basically it
00:29:51.780
led to more success. It led to more cultural success. So it's, it's generally not, and it led
00:29:57.360
to more cultural genetic success. So. You mean like a lasting genetically detectable impact in
00:30:05.080
an area right like like the backwoods people still make up the genetically dominant group
00:30:10.500
in the regions that they conquered in in the early colonial days whereas if you look at
00:30:17.060
so basically an argument against especially sex slavery is an argument for segregation
00:30:27.760
yeah well i mean this happened with the with the with the arabs to an extent as well like
00:30:34.020
Muslims held huge amounts of territory that have almost no Arab DNA left in them because they
00:30:41.680
practice this system. And Jews, as I said, ended up melding with their greatest enemy because they
00:30:48.660
practice this system for a period and don't anymore, partially likely as like a cultural
00:30:54.100
evolutionary adaptation to the negative effects of that. Now let's talk about the economics of
00:30:58.780
any any thoughts before i go further there are yeah i'm i'm trying to figure out i i wish i could
00:31:07.360
just go back in time and like i don't know like it's it's mid-battle there is a a viking i thought
00:31:15.640
they did come on rape and pillage that's like a viking thing isn't it you should be really proud
00:31:19.980
of your wife at least i mean freya dove into that pillaging 100 percent even took part in
00:31:27.900
quite a lot of the scraping i didn't really expect that i was totally blown away when i suddenly saw
00:31:38.780
her on top of this monk of course i mean that's what you do when you pillage right right and so
00:31:47.340
So the point I'm making is rape and pillage doesn't actually leave a genetic footprint.
00:31:53.200
Even be king of a territory and have a bunch of wives doesn't leave a genetic footprint.
00:32:00.800
Actually, why doesn't it leave a genetic footprint?
00:32:04.920
Why was it that the Scots-Irish left a genetic footprint and continue to grow today?
00:32:10.420
They were ghettoized and the Jews were ghettoized.
00:32:13.800
um it's well because they allowed themselves to be ghettoized so when i guess it's kind of a
00:32:20.260
two-way street yeah when the vikings took territory they liked culturally being rich
00:32:28.320
showing off their wealth having lots of spouses having lots of nice things when they when they
00:32:36.080
created persistent colonies within a territory and their main social scene was still back in
00:32:41.660
the Scando areas right like all of their wealth in these territories was often to show off back
00:32:46.600
home in those territories right well what this meant is if you couldn't have wealth and lots
00:32:54.780
of wives and everything like that which most of a population cannot do and you were a viking you
00:33:01.120
didn't stay in these territories you'd go back home with whatever you could get because keep in
00:33:06.920
these societies were mostly feudal functional slaves and then a leading class that was naming
00:33:13.680
things that was creating the language i mean like the english language is like half you know from
00:33:18.240
from these these conquering groups right but one to two percent may even be overstating it maybe
00:33:22.380
like 0.2 percent of the population is actually norman because you you just didn't have enough
00:33:29.300
resources to maintain an elite class that was more than that what made the and this was also
00:33:35.540
true of the muslims as they spread out using this system but what made the backwards tradition
00:33:40.020
really different is because they had so much hatred and a reflexive disgust towards anyone
00:33:44.280
that signaled status there just wasn't a huge reason to ever accumulate and when i mean status
00:33:50.720
i mean status in terms of culture or wealth or anything like that they just didn't have a reason
00:33:54.820
to accumulate these things and because they didn't have a reason to accumulate these things
00:33:58.480
they never really cared about being poor or you know being from what the outsiders saw them as
00:34:05.500
is uncivilized which allowed them to just keep having kids it was never a concern for them it
00:34:12.560
was like well of course i'm gonna keep having kids in many ways when people look down on the
00:34:17.420
american redneck as being this you know uneducated whatever right and the american redneck is like
00:34:24.160
well screw you i don't care that you look down on me for that stuff that is the cultural response
00:34:28.680
that has allowed them to thrive at least genetically speaking to the extent they have
00:34:33.540
from this small starting population of maybe 3,000 people where, where other groups did not.
00:34:41.320
I think a lot of this also, now that I think about this in the context of pronatalism,
00:34:45.780
as we talk about it, coming from a place of cultural pride and liking your people in your
00:34:52.000
group, I think maybe part of the, the issue of taking on either conquered wives, even if it's
00:35:02.080
consensual or smex slaves is it shows a lack of pride of your own culture and people and instead
00:35:13.640
just kind of this nihilistic selfishness or hedonism exactly and not like a love of your
00:35:21.120
people and your upbringing and your culture so it may also be a sign of a lack of good cultural
00:35:29.500
upbringing, a lack of your childhood, like love for your childhood and your family and your people
00:35:34.020
and your future. And maybe that's also kind of where it's coming from is, is these are people
00:35:39.160
who become separated from that. I can see it making sense in the context of, for example,
00:35:45.220
members of the Japanese military who are just like, you know, experiencing an early version
00:35:50.420
of that Asian burnout of just like, I hate everything. I just, you know, like, I just want
00:35:54.620
to feel good and and maybe spaniard colonists just kind of being like i've been on a ship for a lot
00:36:01.260
like you know who knows what church services were like on this ship you've been separated from your
00:36:06.580
family you've been separated from your culture like it would make sense that a renaissance era
00:36:11.220
european colonist from pretty much anywhere would get a little creepy if like you know you've been
00:36:18.180
so unmoored from a community for that long i mean what do you they're basically like well this is
00:36:23.220
interesting about what you're saying so where you see this pattern of often not a huge genetic or
00:36:30.240
less of a genetic footprint that you would think in highly grapey behavior is when the men are
00:36:35.640
mostly interested in a status game somewhere else so when they appear to be unmoored from
00:36:42.240
any other community that the spanish conquistadors really cared about status and maybe setting up a
00:36:50.520
family back home in spain like that was often the goal you go to the u.s you go on your you know
00:36:56.820
grape adventure but the goal is always to get back to spain and to be even higher status within
00:37:02.120
spanish society it was the same with the vikings often it was not the same with the the backwoods
00:37:09.020
tradition people or the puritan people for example uh they they did not care like the the the
00:37:15.460
Backwards people did not care at all what any of the Scots-Irish who stayed in Ireland or the Ulster
00:37:21.580
Scots thought of them. They didn't even seem to have persistent communication with them after they
00:37:25.280
left. They were just completely irrelevant to their lives after that point. So it's how status
00:37:30.620
is measured. So this is one of those things, I talk about borrowing things from other cultures,
00:37:34.240
and in some episodes, I'm like, this is something good we can borrow from Jewish culture. This is
00:37:37.560
one of the strongest pieces of cultural technology that this culture has, which is a reflexive disgust
00:37:42.960
of status signaling. And another is looking for strength in partners like wives instead of looking
00:37:49.860
for traditional femininity in wives. I think you need to look at the underlying factors that lead
00:37:54.520
to interest in status signaling versus disgust. And I think the underlying things are status
00:38:01.360
signaling becomes, it gets out of control when you have a lack of genuine morality or cultural
00:38:07.340
values it's what it's what fills the void so what creates the void is the question you need to be
00:38:13.180
asked it's the lack of cultural values yeah well no no reflexive anger and disgust towards status
00:38:18.540
signaling is very it was was very important in making this work like you need to know that if
00:38:26.860
you try to show off how big your house is or you know how how many jewels you have or how many
00:38:33.180
that people are, you know, that you went to the latest opera, you know, that people are going to
00:38:38.080
roll their eyes at you to not attempt to do that stuff. Otherwise you end up picking it up from
00:38:43.260
the cultures around you. That is what the urban monoculture used to lure out so many people. And
00:38:47.660
that's one of the reasons why this group has been more resistant to it. And so when a lot of people
00:38:52.140
point to the poverty of these regions, it's like a bad thing. It's like, no, that's largely why they
00:38:56.400
survived, not caring about the poverty of their regions and not caring about particularly enriching
00:39:02.140
themselves which also leads to lower rates of military defections which we talk about in other
00:39:07.240
episodes so that's why they have fewer coups but i want to go to talking about the economics of
00:39:12.860
slavery now and what slavery does economically to a region uh so i want to put some graphs on
00:39:19.780
screen here which may really shock people if you haven't seen this one is to see where slavery was
00:39:28.180
actually practice in the united states which is in a smaller region than most people think it was
00:39:33.480
really just in the the region that had the what was it called tradition the cavalier tradition
00:39:38.920
and and you can see the greater appalachian territory essentially carving through it was
00:39:43.860
very little slavery and i think it just it's helpful to put into context why is that is why
00:39:48.900
that is the case the cavalier culture in the united states was the the earliest colonists
00:39:53.200
when there were often the second sons of wealthy English-landed gentry. This is a country where
00:40:02.320
the eldest son would inherit the estate in England, leaving second sons, for example,
00:40:07.580
to either, well, you needed to maybe join the clergy or join the military, or goodness knows,
00:40:12.460
maybe you'd go to the colonies. You'd go in a later period to India to serve in the British
00:40:17.580
imperial empire there. But what happened with many second sons is they would go to this particular
00:40:23.060
part of the colonies they'd get a plantation and because they weren't going there with any
00:40:27.440
community with any ideological drive like it was with the puritans with the puritans it was like
00:40:31.500
silicon valley group houses just a lot less they had a goal their goal was the traditions of the
00:40:39.300
nobility of europe yeah well it was basically to have my own estate it's just that i have to start
00:40:44.200
fresh and so they had to buy their labor and that's why they bought the slaves they weren't
00:40:48.420
it was about traditional status signaling without a religious framework really guiding it like
00:40:55.640
the equivalent of serfs already living on their family grounds you know they kind of needed to
00:41:00.440
figure that out it was some indentured servitude and they did some slavery yeah and if you look
00:41:06.820
at maps here so if we look at single parents cancer deaths mobility disability rates vision
00:41:11.280
disability rates cognitive disability rates difficult with independent living life expectancy
00:41:14.760
obesity rate, health insurance availability, heart disease rates, stroke death rates,
00:41:19.920
cancer deaths, diabetes, smoking, mental distress, household income, credit score,
00:41:26.300
debt delinquency, distressed communities, upwards mobility, income inequality, food insecurity,
00:41:32.420
workers making minimum wage or less, unemployment, incarceration rate, homicide rate, high school
00:41:36.820
diploma, teenage birth rates, excessive drinking, adult mobility, social capital index, broadband
00:41:42.640
internet religion and then we put that against slavery you see very high overlap now the first
00:41:50.540
thing that people are going to say in response to this is they're going to be like okay well now
00:41:54.620
show me a map of u.s black population by percentage right then it's like okay i'll give you that that
00:42:00.500
is a heavy overlap and i'll put that map on screen here but there's been a lot of studies that have
00:42:05.560
looked at the white population of these regions in isolation and they appear to have been economically
00:42:11.960
massively underserved like they do like well worth less than white populations in other regions
00:42:19.500
now of course part of that could be cavalier culture just doesn't lead to innovation doesn't
00:42:24.600
lead to to the development of industry which is certainly part of that at the same rate as other
00:42:30.600
american cultural groups but why why in in rome it didn't really develop why do you get these
00:42:38.740
enormous lack of economic development during periods in which you have slaves and this is
00:42:44.460
actually kind of surprising I mean like you have free labor right like presumably that should be
00:42:49.020
like a huge advantage right to a region to not have to pay your labor force you you you don't
00:42:56.100
see why that would be a big advantage Simone well I mean with when you just pay for your labor you
00:43:03.480
don't have to house it you don't have to feed it you don't have to you know you just you just pay
00:43:10.420
them and based on market forces you can you know raise or lower your penny that is that is true
00:43:16.320
to a large extent and this is something that you have to think of like if we're looking at this
00:43:20.720
completely divorced from morality or anything having slaves is kind of like having an expensive
00:43:25.320
automated factory like you have to consider depreciation and upkeep and like replacing
00:43:29.960
you know assets that have run through their lifetime etc and and to to me that that seems
00:43:35.740
like a yeah so this is an interesting point that Simone makes here which is worth diving into a
00:43:40.960
little bit now it is difficult from parsing history books to know what percent of northern
00:43:49.200
factory workers lived worse lives than the average slave and what percent of slaves led worse lives
00:43:57.580
than the average factory owner now you could say in absolute terms being technically free and we'll
00:44:05.100
talk about how free these factory workers really were is always better than being enslaved and i'd
00:44:10.680
be like that's just like objectively not true there are many instances where i would rather be
00:44:17.140
a slave than like starving to death or something like that right like if i had to watch my children
00:44:22.560
starve to death would i rather be a slave and see them sold off yeah any day of the week like i don't
00:44:30.440
even know how you could like joke about that right and and so but it's hard to because there's so
00:44:36.100
much bias from the the people who want to like do slavery apologetics to do slavery apologetics for
00:44:42.300
the people who want to you know over dramatize how bad things were for northern factory workers
00:44:46.960
which a lot of people love dramatizing that as well. But what can be said for sure is some
00:44:53.800
factory workers had a life that almost any human would choose some slave lives over the lives of
00:45:01.840
those factory workers. Well, and you just have to consider the incentives of the employer slash
00:45:06.340
slaveholder. A slaveholder is probably not going to do things that they know are going to have very
00:45:11.860
high mortality risks for you or like the risk of your arm being chopped off or something
00:45:16.280
because they've paid for you up front you were you were a non-trivial up front cost or if you
00:45:22.560
weren't like let's say you were born into their family or their estate you could be if in good
00:45:28.200
condition sold for a good price this is not the same with an employee like if if they lose their
00:45:33.860
arm oh i'm sorry we have to fire you i mean this is before labor regulations yeah this this was
00:45:38.680
very frequent for northern factory workers yeah like there's a dozen more where you came from like
00:45:44.000
i don't have to worry about fixing up my equipment to make it safer because there's a lot of people
00:45:48.600
who want this job and many northern factory workers starved to death it was very regular
00:45:53.740
for them to starve to death for their children to starve to death for there to be 12 applications
00:45:57.700
for any position for children to be sent into the machinery because they were considered disposable
00:46:03.100
and they could get into smaller places yeah like a cool hands children to be ground up and then
00:46:09.020
later serve to people in food stuffings because you know they just don't care they didn't care
00:46:13.960
about food regulations you know this stuff talk about in like the jungle and stuff like that
00:46:17.900
like the the the the worst of the worst like okay i'm trying to think of it a a truly cruel
00:46:25.560
grapey beady slave owner versus the worst of the worst of the northern factory barons
00:46:31.740
selling children as food products i mean they're both equally abominations of humans like they're
00:46:39.220
both i mean it's apples to oranges but they're both abominations of the highest i'm purely
00:46:43.620
looking at the cold incentives here and i'm also looking at it like not just from the perspective
00:46:48.020
of like what if i were a slave but also like what if i were just a heartless amoral plantation
00:46:53.060
operation owner of some sort that wants like to produce units yeah i mean i think there's this is
00:46:58.980
also why many of them favored indentured servitude because with indentured servitude you basically had
00:47:04.840
free labor that you could conveniently we've talked about this before but in some of the early
00:47:10.680
indentured servitude records we have in the american colonies only one in seven lived so
00:47:15.140
people talk about like how easy indentured servitude and the reason it was so low was because
00:47:19.220
of the economic incentive if they died you didn't have to pay them and so you basically were doing
00:47:24.840
everything in your power to get them killed and there wasn't anyway there was no maybe paid for
00:47:29.460
passage possibly but there was basically no upfront cost whereas there was with slaves so
00:47:35.460
basically yeah you were like oh yeah yeah it was like buy now pay later when they just declare
00:47:41.440
bankruptcy oh no i also want to note something when i talk about how bad some of the factories
00:47:46.880
were in the north and how bad some of the plantations were in the south we also need to
00:47:52.520
be very transparent about this is that many factories in the work were run by weirdo religious
00:48:00.440
puritans and stuff like that who had ideas that were very utopian that they tried to make things
00:48:07.360
good they tried to create like these perfect christian environments for their workers and
00:48:11.280
often very strange utopian town setups and stuff like this that you can still visit today there
00:48:18.300
were many plantations where people were you know christian and like really believed it and
00:48:25.960
wanted to try to like they thought they were creating the best life they could for their
00:48:31.000
slaves given their economic conditions but and i and i think that that's that's something that
00:48:35.340
needs to be noted because we live in a society where those things always get ignored but they
00:48:40.720
existed and they probably existed about at the same rates as the worst of the worst populations
00:48:46.580
that you have because you know most humans just aren't that evil yeah yeah yeah and we are in
00:48:52.960
in in this conversation talking about the like sociopathic edge cases genuinely horrible people
00:49:00.020
and yeah i mean there's always going to be a couple in every generation uh as to why slavery
00:49:06.060
does this it means that the wealthy in that society basically don't invest in innovation
00:49:11.540
and so even if innovation exists like in rome we know of lots of like technical sketches
00:49:16.340
of designs that could have been used to create the beginnings of an industrial revolution for like
00:49:21.920
moving water uphill and stuff like this and like early engine type designs but there was just
00:49:28.640
never a reason to experiment with this stuff if you had slaves right so why why try it why roll
00:49:34.700
it out why expand on this stuff if you're not doing the labor yourself and this is why you had
00:49:39.780
so much explosive innovation within the regions, specifically like the predominantly Protestant
00:49:48.040
northern regions of the United States and in places like Scotland, where you have these
00:49:53.300
more Calvinist groups that were very obsessed with doing everything themselves. And if you're
00:49:58.580
a population that's obsessed with doing everything yourselves, then you innovate. And the video
00:50:02.360
that really got me about why this causes such rapid cost reduction compared to outsourcing
00:50:09.220
something to slaves is consider base capitalism, right? So you have factory workers and you are
00:50:16.940
paying each factory worker for X many things that they produce, right? Like X many units. That's
00:50:23.960
fundamentally what you care about as a capitalist, right? You take your cut and then you give them
00:50:28.120
whatever you can, right? Well, now one factory worker finds a way to increase the production
00:50:35.600
rate of the factory by let's say 20%. Now this is the economic equivalent to amortizing that 20%
00:50:44.320
increase in that amount of product for that factory's life cycle. So if you had 130 people
00:50:49.380
there, now that person has done the job of, or let's say 100 people to make the math easier for
00:50:54.380
me, of 20 people over the course of an entire year, but amortized indefinitely into the future.
00:51:00.380
And so you pay them a lot more because now you want them to do other types of innovations like
00:51:05.260
that that increase efficiency and as soon as you get this giant economic motivation for efficiency
00:51:11.800
increases which you don't have for slaves and within a culture that has that mindset then the
00:51:17.480
people who become specialists at this have a good reason to really double down on what they were
00:51:23.060
doing which is like what my family did historically we did a lot of development like i've told you for
00:51:27.560
like oil and stuff like this is it's trying to make these processes more efficient and that leads
00:51:33.520
to these giant jumps in efficiency and and you get jumped in efficiency that are so large that
00:51:40.160
one person can do the work of you know 25 slaves and once you have one person being able to do the
00:51:46.640
work of 25 slaves this slavery becomes economically unviable which is actually basically already
00:51:51.000
happening at the end of the southern slavery period is that economics even if they hadn't
00:51:56.400
had the civil war likely would have largely ended the practice within a couple generations
00:52:00.920
now thoughts simone more broadly basically oh and the most interesting thing about all of this
00:52:07.840
is even in the countries and cultures that don't care about slavery with ai there's basically no
00:52:13.140
reason to have slaves at all anymore like as soon as we get ai humanoid robots they are generally
00:52:20.260
going to be cheaper than slaves no sadly no you don't think so not with things like smex slavery
00:52:29.840
no no i guess yeah some people want the real thing well it's yeah i mean for a lot of people
00:52:37.440
it's about power for a lot of people there are a lot of places in which life is still very cheap
00:52:42.820
in which they just sort of end up with people on their hands and it is you know fairly inexpensive
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for them to just you know buy and sell it and abuse it and dispose of it when they're done and
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it's tragic and horrible and i need to create a world in which that cannot happen and will never
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happen again it keeps me up at night but i i have no doubt that is going to continue in in the age
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of ai to to be like oh just get them a sex bot no that's not that's just not how it's going to work
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for some people that will work but i mean if it's a physical piece of machinery like merely the the
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material costs the upkeep the electricity the subscription service for the the ai to do it like
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are you kidding like some displaced young ladies way less expensive than that just just logistically
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speaking by by many orders of magnitude i don't think you understand just how like technically
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inexpensive human life is when you know where to get it and that is heartbreaking but true and
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that's not going to change yeah i'm sorry i'm trying to find a a counter example of this so
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I was looking up Dutch traitors, and at least none of the Dutch traitors associated with New
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Netherlands, it would have been another Protestant group, have any specific examples of sexual
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violence against Native Americans. So there was an incident in Taiwan I was able to find,
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which is the only incident apparently ever in human history of a large group of Protestants
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graping people. This was in 1652, the Wu-Laiwan Rebellion, where the Dutch East India Company
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asked for Taiwanese women to be handed over for sex.
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Also, side note, if you don't know your history,
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who was an English individual from the Church of England,
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except he mostly was trying to restrain his people,
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and the big complaint he had is that they were trading nails
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and parts of the ship for sexual access to women which is more like prostitution than slavery quite
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different than what the conquistadors were doing so this does appear to be a real and durable
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pattern of something totally unique to the catholic expeditionary forces right but there
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are many cultural groups that for hundreds of years seem to be very interested in exploiting
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the the bodies of vulnerable people that are both within their culture and not they just don't value
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human life basically the point of this episode is when you conquer a region do the good christian
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thing and eradicate the native population or you're going to have problems over the long term
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i'm joking this is a joke by the way for anybody who wants to like take this out of context or
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something that's a joke in fact the culture that i have lauded most in this episode would say
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what you should do is eradicate the weak and intermarry with the strong and that's the goal
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when conquering a territory well i mean that's fundamentally the law of humanity for the longest
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period you can say oh that's a horrible thing to do but if you do not do this in the future then
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you and your descendants will be weak and you will be conquered by the strong or at least in the end
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it comes down to strong culture and strong communities if you want to have a lasting impact
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in an area if you love your life and your people and your culture you you will find ways to spread
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it and flourish and do great things and if you don't you're gonna fizzle out you have to have
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something more than nihilism to have a lasting impact as a group and
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yeah can you believe that we when was the daring take that
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sex slavery is probably not a good thing civilizationally speaking
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yeah but the argument's slightly different than like it's a humanitarian crisis and it's against
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it's bad morality i'm not i'm not like it's a humanity i don't care about the humanitarian
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consequences i'm just saying for your own people it's not good which is interesting like even if
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you don't care about the humanitarian nature of it it's just a bad idea you're cucking yourself
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is what you're saying yeah you're cooking yourself yeah there you go god it's bleak
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all of this is bleak but i mean you're right i i want to focus more on the like this is more about
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not not so much about all these people who ultimately don't matter and didn't matter and
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won't matter because they choose this pathway they devalue human life like this they hate their own
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people enough like this to do such horrible things but rather just how wonderful it is that
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the people who ultimately win are the people who love who they are love their families love their
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communities love their cultures and just want to support it yeah also there's another interesting
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point to all of this which is that many catholics will say well most of the catholics today don't
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like listen to the rules of the religion, right? And they bemoan that. And there's this implication
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that this wasn't the case historically, that historically, most of the Catholics actually
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did follow the rules of their religion. And as we can see from these cases, from the Spanish
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colonizers, that wasn't true for huge swaths of Catholic territory. Many of the people, like it
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just wasn't as good at being top of mind as a cultural value set as something like puritanism
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was or the the the presbyterianism of the backwards people without doing any research or
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really understanding it very well from an outsider's perspective what seems to be the
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problem to me is when i think about conquistadors and early spanish missionaries they were not
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they were very different from a catholic spanish community i grew up taking field trips to for
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example californian spanish missions these these were these are monasteries or they were fortifications
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they were not spanish communities oh oh this explains it in part
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oh my god that they weren't replicating the entire civilization they were just sending out these
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reavers essentially that didn't even represent it so no no no no so the the most religiously
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called people in catholic culture even back then would have been wouldn't have been part of a
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conquistador group they would have been even if they were adventure-minded they would have been
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part of a missionary group they would have set up a missionary fort they wouldn't have been among
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the conquistadors to give them side eyes when they decided to grave captives. But in a Puritan
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expeditionary force, you would have among them some of the most religiously devout people.
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And often it was the most religiously devout people that were elevated to positions of command.
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So it would have been the person who, as a boy, felt particularly called to God in a Spanish
01:00:17.400
catholic society of the time might have ended up as a as a missionary in one of these areas but
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they wouldn't have been doing the active combat they wouldn't have been doing the active you know
01:00:26.400
going out and and attempting to conquer these territories whereas if you are a backwoods person
01:00:32.660
or a puritan person and you are particularly called to religious callings you're you're
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dramatically more likely to be the local general for example or to be the the what would have been
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the equivalent of the actual lead conquistador, which makes it you religiously minded to keep
01:00:50.200
your troops in line. So it's like, where do these cultures sort the people who have enough of an
01:00:55.260
inner calling to impose cultural values? That's a factor. The argument I was making more is when
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you look at the migratory patterns of these different groups, the ones who lasted and the
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ones who didn't, the ones that lasted came over as families, including the Scots-Irish. They were
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all collectively kicked out clans were kicked out families were kicked out together and they lasted
01:01:16.400
many many spanish came over as families and still great not to my knowledge not to my knowledge
01:01:22.320
into the great alexander the great's men came as men no spanish i know spanish too and i'm saying
01:01:28.940
and and the spanish came as men and the vikings no what you're not listening you're not listening
01:01:33.260
we have many records of spanish who did bring their families okay i don't remember reading of
01:01:41.580
any of them there's this is how this is why it's over 50 spanish dna if you're talking about most
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of latin america because they came over in huge numbers with their families if you for a good
01:01:55.540
example of this just in case you're wondering like what this society looked like a really good
01:02:01.420
movie you should watch is mask of zorro they want to destroy america give me the courage
01:02:17.900
so delightful yeah so come on picture mask of zorro society so in mask of zorro society
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you had yeah there's the spanish elite okay you got a spanish elite okay so this spanish elite
01:02:31.820
that had families still regularly graped natives in their populations this is well recorded even
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when they brought over their families even when they had their wives as another option
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we still have records of them graping native populations
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you can't just say it was because they were single now that's way post conquistador but sure
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yeah which you could say is that the conquistador period where they didn't often have their own
01:03:01.040
women set a precedent that then was later carried out once they brought over their own families
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but that doesn't always work either because a lot of the puritan and backwood settlements
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they would often come over as just the men first and then bring over the women
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and they didn't set this up as a great culture yeah my like green movies are those
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did you different did you ever see like there was this one movie with like a about a spanish
01:03:30.320
conquistador who's like blonde and like blue-eyed and crazed looking going deep into the jungle and
01:03:36.260
am i like it really stuck with me it was very striking
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no no that's no no that was like my end times no this is like
01:03:46.940
like small tribes in like the amazon region and this like blonde crazed looking man
01:03:54.820
okay yeah i'll try to find it because you didn't see that that's like my anchoring thing of like
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what a conquistar is like and it's weird but i think it's also not inaccurate anyway yeah wow
01:04:09.400
and i will use ai to try to find counterfactuals to this trend yeah please i am curious and this
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is where i found that one dutch example from taiwan uh that it's a counter example but other
01:04:21.960
than that i was able to find nothing because i'm still leaning into what what is what is the force
01:04:28.060
spreading is it a bunch of families who love each other and their culture and just want to go live
01:04:32.960
it somewhere be them or they're being kicked out of somewhere i accidentally came to the right
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answer the core thing that leads to so much immorality within the catholic groups is they
01:04:46.780
take the people who care the most about what the bible says the most about what their face says
01:04:52.580
and the most about morality and cloister them from monasteries not not helpful the puritans
01:04:59.780
in the backwoods took those people and often elevated them to positions of leadership of
01:05:05.160
secular society yeah yeah they were not in operational roles sufficiently i mean
01:05:10.880
to be fair though i would say that the the monks did have a lot of influence in
01:05:16.780
and tried to get out there and do a lot of stuff or they did have influence they were
01:05:20.900
constantly complaining that people were doing this stuff yeah so i don't know i don't know
01:05:25.700
it's complicated i'm very very curious to see what people think of the comments so we'll see
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love you today i love you too steak tonight by the way wonderful
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there we go you'll need to adjust your camera a little bit and i know you're still trying to
01:05:46.680
get your mic connected you know whatever whatever you're on your own with the comments today because
01:05:55.300
it's all about mass effect like maybe it seemed to me at least when i checked in on comments
01:06:01.020
three people commented on the broader subject matter of us versus them and the rest were all
01:06:07.380
just mass effect comments and and references to your other video game references like this and
01:06:14.840
that i can't i still can't hear you though i hope uh detailed and nerdy mass effect comments not
01:06:23.280
just general one 100 yes were they very like well they're in this way and i saw a lot of them and
01:06:31.460
they're just wrong like well yeah you just didn't know that you had to cure the genophage if you
01:06:36.240
wanted to reach the like final optimal state and then other people like no that's not true you can
01:06:40.680
play through blah blah blah now these things like well i didn't want to you have to think about you
01:06:45.080
know in terms of the larger war you needed to have an ally to fight the something somethings and i'm
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like i don't the reapers simone yes the reapers i'm so sorry reality the a a species like people
01:06:57.000
are just bad at math a warlike species like the krogan having a thousand children per year per
01:07:04.580
woman that would mean a completed tfr of like around seven because they start breeding at 20
01:07:11.860
of well over seven that 700 000 do you have any idea the compounding effects of a tfr of 700
01:07:22.720
000 you keep in mind you know like in the us we have a tfr of 1.6 if you had a completed tfr of
01:07:29.900
700 000 the entire universe would be wiped out we're talking like within two lifetimes you you
01:07:38.780
are literally creating a threat dramatically larger than the reapers like there was a way
01:07:44.440
to handle the reapers there is no way to handle a krogan fertility explosion other than another
01:07:51.540
genophage but who's to know that'll work again right now that they found a way to cure it once
01:07:56.420
one person pointed out that there you couldn't you could think of the genophage problem as a
01:08:01.420
roko's basilisk problem where like well eventually they'll find a cure though and then they're going
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to punish whoever didn't help them find the cure no you could just eradicate them which is what
01:08:13.180
they were doing to themselves like this the universe doesn't need the krogan they are a
01:08:19.020
species that is mean to their own people right like the main reason they wanted to go back to
01:08:24.500
this really high birth rate is it involved childhood rituals that had a really high death
01:08:29.260
rate and so they called the ones who were born after it the the phage lucky as like an insult
01:08:36.140
because they didn't have to go through this death trial and so you're re recreating even for the
01:08:41.760
krogan in extremely brutal society like you are actively making things worse for the krogan as
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well by curing it people were like oh well the cured genophage wouldn't go back to the infertility
01:08:53.160
infertility it would only be like half that and it's like okay so a tfr around 350 000 okay okay
01:08:59.900
i'm just doing sketch math in my head 350 000 compounding year like generation over generation
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is it's still it's still not yeah you're not solving the problem with that it's true
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it's bad really really quickly there was no no sane person ever saves the krogan in any timeline
01:09:20.380
no matter how much of a threat the reapers seemed like yeah
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i'm sorry to subject you to that nerdiness simone well no i i don't mind the nerdiness
01:09:31.500
i just haven't played mass effect so it's just me and eric krieg in the comments being like well
01:09:37.300
i don't get it but i'm sure this has been philosophically rich for you
01:09:42.220
he like commented twice and they're just like i don't see the point and i'm like
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who doesn't see the point he's just not he i don't think he ever played video games i've
01:09:54.540
never really played video games like oh well there is a big point to the the the point is
01:09:59.380
that 96 percent of people chose this option because they had a program yeah we're talking
01:10:05.800
about like the meta picture of like what's the point of of video games and i i do think that
01:10:10.840
some and we were just talking last night about like we can't wait for our kids to start playing
01:10:14.800
civ and the other sort of civilization oh well the point of video games is to masturbate specific
01:10:20.380
instincts war instincts fighting instincts if you do not like as we've talked about with regular
01:10:26.800
masturbation it dramatically reduces the rates of grape within a society and stuff like that
01:10:31.600
if you remove video games from a society men do not regularly exercise these pathways that's going
01:10:40.300
to change their day-to-day behavior the way they perceive reality the way they perceive the world
01:10:44.800
and society is already becoming significantly less violent to the extent where i was shocked
01:10:49.200
to learn like when our steven molleneuve debate that he'd never fought someone in his entire life
01:10:53.380
like had a physical fight a lot about that that was interesting i was like that's bizarre right
01:10:58.560
like but like that's got to do something to a male's brain to have never fought someone in
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their entire life anyway the cultural differences all right so i'll get into the episode
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20, 21, 22, 23. That's the point. 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30. Okay, Octavian, give me five seconds.
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One, two, three, four, five, now, bump it off your head, tight and wait.
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One, two, three, four, five, go, go, everyone can go now.
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I need one, I need one, I need one, I need one, I need one, I need one, here you go.