Based Camp - Was Slavery Good？ (What About Smex Slaves？)

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone Collins.

00:00:01.420 I'm excited to be here with you today.

00:00:02.900 Today, we are going to be talking about a concept that was way more interesting than

00:00:08.060 I expected it to be as I started to dive into it.

00:00:13.160 Is slavery good?

00:00:16.220 And what brought up this concept is like, obviously, this is not a topic we were allowed

00:00:22.480 to talk about growing up or we've been allowed to talk about more broadly as a society.

00:00:26.720 And so then Tucker Carlson and the left has been hugely glazing recently places like Qatar.

00:00:33.800 And I'm like, well, Qatar's a slave state, right? 0.97

00:00:36.500 Like, so if he can talk about how great Qatari cities are, at least the faction of the right 0.87

00:00:42.440 that like doesn't like this weird Tucker faction, they think slave states are awesome now.

00:00:47.420 And the left thinks slave states are awesome now because, you know, across the Middle East, 0.90

00:00:53.000 this is just something that we see.

00:00:54.720 Fun fact, by the way, in Gaza, the neighborhood where blacks are kept is called slaves or like slave neighborhood.

00:01:01.620 But more specifically, because I wanted to check this to make sure I was right.

00:01:04.540 Yeah, it's called the neighborhood of the slaves is where black people live in Gaza because having slaves is so common there. 1.00

00:01:15.180 and there were around 11 000 afro-palestinians uh around one percent of the population of gaza

00:01:22.620 was black uh and and brought there to be slaves so yeah i mean this is common in the in the there's 0.95

00:01:30.200 a black ghetto in gaza yeah in the area well they bring them in and use them as slaves basically so 1.00

00:01:36.880 remember that the when they were doing the mass genocide in darfur there was like 0.91

00:01:41.220 what was it 10 exercise of the deaths in gaza that this genocide was of muslims against blacks 0.97

00:01:49.540 and they called them slaves that was no it's not not exactly it's more just that they were kind of

00:01:55.060 synonymous it's just like oh just the one used for black person sort of it was what's the word

00:02:02.700 for when something's like phoenix you know or band-aid where like you know it becomes genericized

00:02:07.920 of like well they're they're the same thing and then so then i'm i'm i am sure that american

00:02:13.480 blacks would believe if you use the word analogy for that you're like it's just synonymous

00:02:19.280 synonymous category is people who annoy you audience keep quiet please 0.77

00:02:24.480 uh well uh 10 seconds mr marsh i know it but i don't think i should say it oh

00:02:36.640 oh oh naggers of course naggers right uh can we cut to uh can we cut to a it's more just that 0.99

00:02:48.100 they were kind of synonymous like yes it was used in that context but we use it in different contexts

00:02:54.040 all the time now if you live in a society where the only ever time you see someone who is you

00:02:59.260 know we'll say who has purple hair is a slave you're just gonna be like well i need to get a

00:03:03.340 purple-haired person you know around the plantation or whatever tucker went further by the way i just

00:03:09.460 don't buy your argument at all they mean it as a slur they mean it as this is how we see you because

00:03:13.940 it's common in those regions but by the way fun fact more slaves on earth today than there ever

00:03:19.160 have been in human history that's no i knew that and it really frustrates me when people are like

00:03:23.500 oh we practiced slavery in the past we're so humiliated it's like i know what do you care

00:03:28.620 like stop worrying about reparations maybe stop slavery today there's stuff you can do today

00:03:34.380 because yeah that's what gets me when a woke person complains about being enslaved it's like

00:03:39.720 you only get to complain about being enslaved if you're going to do something about the slavery

00:03:43.820 that exists today yeah because my ancestors did something about your ancestors slavery 0.55

00:03:48.580 so what are you doing for the existing oh nothing so you're no better than all the the white people 0.96

00:03:55.660 whose descendants are now you know implicated in reparations requirements or white guilt or

00:04:02.080 whatever it is coming out in this episode is is is actually probably more that if we're talking

00:04:07.320 about who did more harm to who oh the the southerners the reparations and we'll get into

00:04:14.180 some data on that but to get it even spicy i know i know from a moral perspective but if we're just

00:04:20.600 talking about economically they were a net hindrance to the region oh no yeah yeah gosh i

00:04:26.880 feel like i was reading to this just recently someone talking about how oh yeah no one of the

00:04:31.620 people who is talks with with the pod a lot was talking about how slavery ultimately held back

00:04:37.740 technological advancement in the south um and how when you have not just the south you see it holding

00:04:42.460 back wherever it's practiced and we'll go into why like it's the reason why rome didn't have an

00:04:46.740 industrial revolution because they had a massive slave population if they didn't have that they 0.93

00:04:51.020 probably would have had an industrial revolution looking at the technology that they had access to 0.97

00:04:55.040 they had access to many of the early tools of the industrial revolution they just had no reason to

00:05:00.140 use them because they had constant slave populations yeah yeah the general argument being

00:05:04.800 that when you have an excess of human labor you tend to get lazy and not actually technological

00:05:09.760 but this stuff isn't the most interesting stuff and i want to start with the most interesting stuff

00:05:13.220 because the most interesting stuff actually comes from tucker's second comment which was when he

00:05:19.260 went on about how we were demanding a total surrender of iran and iran knows what total

00:05:26.020 surrender means it means that they have to give up their daughters and wives to be graped and he 1.00

00:05:30.740 didn't think that americans wanted to go out there and do that and first of all we had total surrender

00:05:35.780 from germany and japan during world war ii and like that was not a big problem so like how did

00:05:40.620 how did tucker not know like that's a something that's really at least if you have a decent

00:05:44.740 like basic level american education you would be aware of but it got me thinking okay tucker

00:05:49.620 you're trying to normalize grape in war scenarios again right like bringing it up is it a good idea

00:05:56.840 like are grape slaves a good idea right i'm talking about at a civilizational level

00:06:05.180 uh-huh we know that different groups practice it at different rates it's it's very explicitly

00:06:12.960 allowed in the quran you are i i love it when i first asked an ai this it said no the quran 0.97

00:06:20.700 doesn't allow for the grape of the the the the grape of of women after area surrenders it goes 0.96

00:06:28.240 it only allows you to have sexual relations with your slaves and you can take as many women slave 0.99

00:06:33.460 as you want after you capture a region and i'm like that's great that's great okay if you are 0.98

00:06:40.640 having sex with somebody who doesn't have the ability to turn you down because as the grant

00:06:47.440 says if they are yours if they are your property because they're your property that is grape in 0.98

00:06:51.580 every sense of the word okay yeah and we know that for jews in in in the the bible the the

00:06:57.980 that has a you know rules for this you have you you are not allowed to do this you have to

00:07:04.760 marry them first in like a ceremony and have like a grieving thing and they need to be taken as a 0.91

00:07:10.440 legal wife but i mean they don't have much choice in the matter and we do know that jews practices 0.99

00:07:16.020 in mass to the extent where 50 of the ancestral jewish dna is canaanite um so like there was

00:07:24.760 heavy mixing of the populations this is also where a lot of the you know we're you know in

00:07:29.760 the temple they had statues of other gods when you have the josiah reforms meaning that like

00:07:35.820 the other gods practices had heavily integrated with jewish practices because of this intermarrying

00:07:40.800 process and then they started being told not to intermarry and that's where judaism became more

00:07:46.220 of a like monoethic thing but this became bigger after the temple if you're more interested in a

00:07:51.880 four-hour deep dive on this you can see our topic the question that breaks judaism

00:07:55.600 or our topic of when did jews become monogamous but jews had had those rules and then with

00:08:04.120 christians you're you're you know love your enemies stuff like that it's it's it's pretty

00:08:08.560 taken that you should not be taking slaves after a conflict and graping them but the problem is

00:08:16.160 right is you can say okay this is what's in their legal text like for example in jewish legal texts

00:08:24.020 still technically they could take wives from a conquered region but jews haven't done that in

00:08:29.680 thousands of years right so what about christians different christian populations because there's

00:08:34.740 different christian cultural groups but so i started to look into this and with in some

00:08:40.160 christian cultural groups it is genuinely astonishing the extent to which they did not

00:08:46.800 do this to give you an example there is not a single recorded case in all of american history

00:08:54.220 of a puritan of a quaker or of someone of the backwoods tradition graping a native american

00:09:02.760 captive really not even backwoods even backwards maybe like they don't like they would never

00:09:11.580 document it because i mean how many so you could make this argument but the problem with the

00:09:16.340 argument is we have tons and tons and tons of written puritan and quaker complaints about all

00:09:24.260 of the things that they hated about the backwoods people and never in a single one of these complaints

00:09:30.160 these complaints could even be made up yeah is an accusation of graping a captive native

00:09:37.180 or really anyone else now i will note that they do complain that the backwoods people

00:09:45.000 often married into native families and this is where it gets really and then they have like 0.97

00:09:50.420 traditions of like maybe it was playful and and like kind of a pantomime but like carrying off

00:09:55.980 women you know like stealing them of although it was it was pantomime like no legal no blood feuds 1.00

00:10:05.340 we are aware of from anything that was seen as a genuine grape um and no accusations of it by

00:10:11.760 surrounding populations that hated them now and the reason why it's particularly notable when

00:10:16.860 you're talking about like the puritans and the quakers is the puritans and the quakers like the

00:10:20.140 Puritans especially, were fastidious about documenting sexual crimes. We know of, for 1.00

00:10:26.160 example, in Puritan settlements, one person did say something to a Native American woman that was

00:10:32.100 seen as inappropriate, and so he was whipped. We do know of one other servant who was not a Puritan

00:10:38.520 who attempted to rape a Native American woman and was severely punished. But hold on, this is where

00:10:44.220 this gets interesting, and especially in regards to the backwards, because I want to focus on that

00:10:47.880 it comes off as like weird why aren't they doing this when you go okay what about other christian

00:10:52.340 populations what about the the cavaliers right yeah it appears the cavaliers graped pretty

00:10:59.460 regularly in fact in the cavalier society graphing was considered a misdemeanor or less than a

00:11:05.740 misdemeanor this is a southern society if you're talking about the u.s and a lot of people think

00:11:09.980 of like all of the confederate states as like cavalier and and they were not we'll be going

00:11:15.780 ever some maps soon. And you'll see that in the greater Appalachian region or the backwoods region,

00:11:20.040 slavery just wasn't really practiced at all. It's like a huge wall against slavery. And we'll go

00:11:24.640 into why that may be as well, right? Why did this group never practice it? And what was the economic

00:11:28.860 effect of them never practicing it? But what about Catholics? Uh-oh. Uh-oh. I always hate having to 0.99

00:11:37.460 go into this because this is one of those things where I didn't go into this like wanting to do a

00:11:41.300 why are catholics always so persistent i don't know man it's just every episode you know like 0.98

00:11:46.740 literally in this case i even was just looking for counter examples because i wanted to break

00:11:51.640 things up and i couldn't find them uh this is just a problem with history it's um history

00:11:58.640 makes them look bad but you must even know from your history the spanish particularly were

00:12:06.500 basically grape machines i mean when they were colonizers they every every island they went to

00:12:14.760 every colony there was not an ungrape captive i am actually not even aware of a single spanish

00:12:22.540 expedition that didn't have significant graping going on so i decided to look into this was there

00:12:29.300 any Spanish expedition that didn't grape natives and there is one actually the Alar Nunze Cabase

00:12:37.700 de Vaca incident in which the ship crashed and the people on the ship over eight years had to live

00:12:46.420 among native tribes and they in this incident I guess when their lives depended on it didn't

00:12:52.920 grape them other than that we have no incidents like like no incidents of this happening it's

00:13:02.180 it's really which is shocking because you see no incidents of it happening when it's the other way

00:13:08.000 around which is very very significant okay and then you can be like okay what about other

00:13:14.220 Catholic populations like what about Quebec what about Louisiana right this is interesting it

00:13:21.200 appears these populations were probably at around the level of cavaliers like it happened and it

00:13:28.000 happened frequently enough that the jesuits were constantly complaining about it but it it didn't

00:13:35.080 appear to be truly systemic it was something that bad apples did it was not something that the

00:13:41.800 captain and all the boys did that was very spanish and spanish it was just everybody like like we're

00:13:47.240 going to go out and and and this had massive effects on these various populations this is

00:13:52.360 part of the reason why you know when american catholics like complain about i've always been

00:13:58.680 very confused about like catholics like nick fuentes complaining about catholic immigrants

00:14:01.780 from latin america because i'm like but they're catholic immigrants right and he's like well

00:14:05.060 they're genetically different for me and i'm like i mean that's mostly because of all the

00:14:10.140 graping that the catholics did right like that's where a lot of that native american blood came

00:14:14.940 from. There were some consensual arrangements within that, you know, led to the mixed blood 0.97

00:14:21.480 in these settlements. But it seems like, at least in the early days, the vast majority was great.

00:14:26.560 And this is where it gets really interesting, because the Backwoods people did frequently

00:14:31.980 marry into native populations. But it was almost never the population, or not almost never, as far

00:14:37.840 as we know, there's no historical accounts of it being the populations that they conquered.

00:14:42.020 when they conquered a settlement they completely wiped them out that was that seemed to have been

00:14:47.060 always the goal so it's not even like particularly more moral they just and also interesting you

00:14:52.580 might not know this but it was also very rare for native americans of that region to create

00:14:58.900 captives as well this is this is not true of native americans of the west oh okay you mean

00:15:04.760 like in south america it was no no no northeastern america the the native americans that were

00:15:10.840 abutting where the backwoods people were and where the puritans were did not grape their

00:15:15.660 captives frequently really and there we have a lot of accounts from captives who were later freed

00:15:20.300 and they document just it didn't happen to them this is notable that like native americans

00:15:27.020 didn't do this in many cases whereas you know the the spanish almost always did right um so you're

00:15:36.120 seeing like even a higher level of morality there but what are the consequences of this right and

00:15:43.660 why might you have prohibitions against this why might you have cultural prohibitions against this

00:15:47.840 and why did the backwoods people not do this when they apparently didn't have any prohibitions

00:15:52.060 against wiping out Native American settlements the core answer to that just so we don't make it a big

00:15:57.420 confusing question is you can find it by looking at the reports we do in other episodes where we

00:16:03.640 contrast the different american cultural subgroups historically speaking love letters about like why

00:16:11.780 they liked their wife or why they chose their wife or why their wife was awesome yeah and they they

00:16:18.180 would say very different things about them in the cavalier it was mostly she's pretty in or she's

00:16:23.740 very effeminate or she's of a good family a lot of it yeah or she's well-read right um connected

00:16:30.740 from a good family whatever in the puritan tradition it was almost always she has great

00:16:37.280 intellectual discussions with me like she's she's a very good conversationalist i really like

00:16:42.260 you know the book she's read the thing that was what the puritans really cared about and if you

00:16:46.500 go to the backwoods it's always like she's very good with a with a rifle she can defend the house 0.77

00:16:52.960 well she can do chores really well she you know it was very much like how robust she was how much

00:17:00.020 of a like martial spirit is really what they cared about and so if you are a culture that when

00:17:05.800 you're looking for i want a strong mate and you just killed all of this person's family their

00:17:13.200 brothers their fathers the rest of their clan you're you're not going to want to marry into 1.00

00:17:19.460 that right you're not going to want to raise their kids especially if you're from a tradition

00:17:23.480 that was pretty strictly monogamous and in the region and also they were they had a different

00:17:31.560 relation to religion and and and they were presbyterian mostly than the other groups of

00:17:36.460 the of the region but they were still very religious and and it guided sort of their

00:17:41.240 moral choices and sometimes more important than their moral choices their hierarchy was in the

00:17:46.920 surrounding community like people would have looked down on them for something like this if

00:17:51.480 it got out and within cultures that care about that sort of honor you're not gonna break those

00:17:56.920 sorts of taboos even if you don't have the the religious morality right and this also explains

00:18:02.280 why they were totally okay with marrying the tribes that they fought alongside they're like

00:18:06.640 oh you know you fight with us you're strong like we'll marry into this all right so to continue

00:18:12.800 here the core downside was oh and and by the way people are wondering if great slaves are still

00:18:21.180 common in islamic countries in terms of enslaved populations they are very common it's a huge

00:18:26.780 problem in qatar in the uae even though these people aren't like by what the quran would say

00:18:32.120 technically slaves they still get graped very frequently it's a big problem so yeah oh also

00:18:38.420 if you're wondering mormons not a single known case of a mormon raping a native captive and they

00:18:44.800 did have native captains on occasion so oh they did oh yeah yeah yeah other other population that

00:18:50.100 that did not great so it's like this this makes it even more stark about like the spanish doing

00:18:56.840 this constantly and the french doing this occasionally because apparently a lot of

00:19:01.380 people can get by like without doing it it's not like an inevitability even if there's active yeah

00:19:07.000 animosity or even if they are for example like early mormons expanding into what might be

00:19:12.200 territory inhabited by native americans already indigenous people whatever we're calling them now

00:19:17.560 yeah okay well and i think i mean obviously i might be biased because i'm partially from

00:19:23.140 the backwoods tradition myself but i think the backwoods idea around this is actually

00:19:28.780 fundamentally pretty good which is to say if you were able to conquer a territory you probably

00:19:36.360 don't want to marry the women of that territory because they are then genetically conquering your 1.00

00:19:42.360 own people and we actually see this repeatedly of other groups that were very violent and

00:19:49.380 expansionist so examples here are well one muslims two vikings vikings is a is a better example

00:19:57.260 muslims actually got more genetic spread but vikings actually had an almost negligible genetic

00:20:03.520 spread in the regions that they conquered and use smex slaves it who didn't do that though was

00:20:10.580 alexander the grade he had this policy of getting his top leadership to mary and whatever regions

00:20:17.680 and he picked up wives in the various regions they conquered like roxanne for example yeah

00:20:22.800 my understanding is that the greek genetic influence in those regions was wiped out pretty

00:20:26.500 quickly partially as kind of diluted it instantly they also just didn't seem to like stop to actually

00:20:32.700 really set up and entrench in many of the places where they you know i mean this this shows you

00:20:39.600 know if you're if you're playing like the genetics game right and and having your genetics within a

00:20:45.840 region helps your culture thrive grow within that region because usually the two are sort of co i'm

00:20:51.720 gonna say comorbid but like they they have a i forget what it's called like a beneficial cycle

00:20:57.760 with each other like the the the genes in the culture often have predilections together that

00:21:02.980 make them work more easily together so so an example of this could be you could develop as

00:21:07.820 Simone that knows that I have for example who knows if this is from my ancestors but I have a

00:21:12.560 pretty strong disgust reaction towards women that I see as beneath me and I just never really slept 1.00

00:21:20.240 around with women I saw as beneath me even when I did sleep around a lot because I saw it as and 0.99

00:21:26.900 this is partially why I don't sleep as women who have high body counts but it's not just that it's

00:21:31.360 like more generally like she knew this was the problem with her and her degree that she talks 0.99

00:21:35.500 about where i was like it's pretty gross that you don't have like an active turnoff related to

00:21:40.420 college degree and it wasn't even like i didn't have one it was that it was the wrong college

00:21:46.820 well you yeah you were valedictorian even and i was like i guess that makes up for it but you know

00:21:51.500 you do have to go to cambridge if we're getting married yeah i don't want to keep dealing with

00:21:56.240 this it's interesting that at a subconscious level my brain rather than recognizing elite

00:22:00.740 colleges as like an elitist thing the way they would typically be recognized i saw it as just

00:22:06.860 a sign of fitness and competing within the existing societal structure at least the one

00:22:12.140 that existed when i was growing up i doubt my kids will feel that way because it's no longer

00:22:16.500 relevant in terms of your ability to amass power whether that power is capital followers etc but it

00:22:23.700 was then but no it is it is like an active disgust pathway that i have right it is interesting yeah

00:22:30.200 that like what one cultural group might be like oh yeah absolutely like i'd hit that and other

00:22:35.880 people being like you know why would i i would not even think about it like that yeah i started

00:22:43.000 to think about it in the case of like tucker carlson offer right this is what actually got

00:22:47.760 me thinking about it and i was like what american troops would want to like yeah like would i

00:22:53.760 actually like i mean there's a lot of incels in the u.s it would be like yeah sign me up i will

00:23:00.140 i i will go to iran i will take one for the team america but i i think a a fairly large percent of

00:23:08.600 the american male population would just be like why would i do that yeah yeah yeah like doesn't

00:23:15.980 seem like my thing and and note again we don't see this in all populations populations that are

00:23:20.920 famous for graping captives are for example the japanese japanese famously graped about anyone

00:23:26.120 they could capture constantly and consistently and in fact they did it even more than the

00:23:29.860 catholics so you know hey at least the catholics aren't as bad as the japanese yay yay did they 1.00

00:23:37.440 did the japanese do more than the catholics i mean i might ask ai i mean are we talking numerically

00:23:45.000 are we talking in forms of violence i'm talking in terms of frequency like they have a captive

00:23:50.700 what's the probability uh-huh all right checked it out and the answer is not even close this 0.96

00:23:59.420 Japanese are way more likely to rape than Catholics, even if you narrow that Catholic 0.99

00:24:06.140 population to only Spanish colonizers when measured on a per-soldier, per-captive, per-opportunity 0.99

00:24:13.480 basis. Apparently, not even close. Casual grape was considered a routine reward for soldiers in

00:24:21.460 the japanese army but wait wasn't that true of the spanish colonizers they say the main reason

00:24:30.660 is because it varied by region if there was like a monastery in that region they would stop them

00:24:35.960 okay well not stop them but complain about it loudly yeah like if you're a woman and you're 1.00

00:24:43.760 taken captive by type a type b type c you know catholic spaniard japanese military man

00:24:52.660 protestant yeah backwoods person quaker quaker is like none no i i like i i was going through

00:25:03.260 this with ai to try to find like any account ai's great for that i can be like any historical

00:25:07.920 example can you find one concretely recorded historical example can you imagine they wouldn't

00:25:11.700 even know where to go because if you asked a quaker woman you know like she let's say that 0.99

00:25:16.640 there's something wrong with like you know her her chest she'd be like oh my stomach hurts

00:25:21.640 if she had you know problems in her you know intimate areas she'd say my stomach hurts you 1.00

00:25:27.540 know the big problem where the pirates kept raiding them and they wouldn't do anything about

00:25:32.240 it and it was a big debate in philadelphia of like whether we should do anything about the

00:25:36.860 pirates that keep killing and graping our population and they were like i don't know

00:25:41.280 like the the it would be violent to stop them you you could i when i say woke culture came

00:25:49.200 from quaker culture like it really like the the similarities are astonishing um but that is read

00:25:55.560 the pragmatist guide the crafting religion or we might do another episode on that make for a good

00:25:59.300 episode but the advantages of this so i've talked about other cultures that quickly exploded out

00:26:06.480 onto a population out of nowhere starting with very small starting numbers and most of the

00:26:13.580 american groups represent one of these populations the starting quaker population in america was

00:26:17.500 small the starting puritan population in america was small the starting cavalier population in

00:26:22.200 america was small like we're talking about like the actual immigrants over but the starting reaver 0.91

00:26:26.200 population that the backwoods came from which were gangs in of ulster scots in a in a lawless

00:26:32.480 territory of scotland they were maybe as i pointed out in the past maybe 3 000 fighting age men in

00:26:38.660 total that exploded into one of the dominant american cultures and one of the largest cultures

00:26:42.840 on earth that really only compares in terms of its explosive conquering of a region to again like

00:26:48.920 the vikings or the muslims or something like that but the vikings didn't have a lasting genetic

00:26:52.780 impact except in one region where did the vikings have a lasting genetic impact

00:26:57.380 oh don't tell me that that's not where they came from i want to say the midwest it would no it was

00:27:06.880 the only region where they didn't have anyone to grape not in the united states like ice iceland

00:27:12.680 iceland and greenland okay okay okay okay okay just like new land to settle interesting because

00:27:18.720 they didn't well they they conquered other territories really extensively to the point

00:27:23.220 where there's tons of towns named after them in england there's tons of you know

00:27:27.380 but they just did not have much of a genetic impact it appears to be between four and six

00:27:32.900 percent um except in the orcanian shetlands islands there's a very high island at the

00:27:39.060 very top of scotland where they had permanent settlements and there it's uh 23 to 28 percent

00:27:43.860 to have a genetic impact you have to be way more systemic about it and set up colonies and have a

00:27:49.940 native population die off which really requires a spanish level amount of this and in spanish 0.69

00:27:54.980 territories about that they did become the dominant genetic ancestor in the regions and

00:28:00.700 they have around i think like across latin america it's about 25 native american blood left

00:28:08.960 but a lot of now you can say well yeah but how is that working for them in those regions like

00:28:16.320 are these regions economically successful did the cultures meld well did they meld harmoniously in a

00:28:22.360 way that led to technologically productive capacity and not endless civil wars and fights

00:28:27.560 you could argue maybe that's a a poor integration of the cultures that led to that maybe it's just

00:28:35.680 catholic culture more broadly because we've talked in other episodes that catholics have military

00:28:38.460 coups at a way higher rate than than protestants do but if you contrast it with the backwoods

00:28:44.400 people which did genetically integrate to an extent now to a way lower extent i i'd estimate

00:28:48.960 their level of genetic integration is 2.5 percent unless you're getting to specific

00:28:53.840 subpopulations like the i forget what they're called but they like heavily integrated with

00:28:58.780 the native american population and they've become pretty genetically successful in some parts of the

00:29:02.700 appellation territories and they have a a name so they integrated with free slaves and native

00:29:08.260 americans and they have a different and unique culture that that has been pretty successful and

00:29:13.300 is still surviving um but all of these groups they never had like after the initial rebellions

00:29:19.460 of the colonial period they didn't really have any discordance nor was there a huge differentiation

00:29:26.940 in society between like the people of this culture with some native blood and the people without some

00:29:32.620 native blood to the extent that like it's not even well documented who is partially native for most

00:29:39.300 of these regions, which I think would surprise, you know, people from the Spanish areas where you

00:29:45.680 did keep heavy track of this because it determined your social standing in society. So basically it

00:29:51.780 led to more success. It led to more cultural success. So it's, it's generally not, and it led

00:29:57.360 to more cultural genetic success. So. You mean like a lasting genetically detectable impact in

00:30:05.080 an area right like like the backwoods people still make up the genetically dominant group 0.94

00:30:10.500 in the regions that they conquered in in the early colonial days whereas if you look at

00:30:17.060 so basically an argument against especially sex slavery is an argument for segregation

00:30:27.760 yeah well i mean this happened with the with the with the arabs to an extent as well like

00:30:34.020 Muslims held huge amounts of territory that have almost no Arab DNA left in them because they 1.00

00:30:41.680 practice this system. And Jews, as I said, ended up melding with their greatest enemy because they 0.99

00:30:48.660 practice this system for a period and don't anymore, partially likely as like a cultural

00:30:54.100 evolutionary adaptation to the negative effects of that. Now let's talk about the economics of

00:30:58.780 any any thoughts before i go further there are yeah i'm i'm trying to figure out i i wish i could

00:31:07.360 just go back in time and like i don't know like it's it's mid-battle there is a a viking i thought

00:31:15.640 they did come on rape and pillage that's like a viking thing isn't it you should be really proud 1.00

00:31:19.980 of your wife at least i mean freya dove into that pillaging 100 percent even took part in 0.98

00:31:27.900 quite a lot of the scraping i didn't really expect that i was totally blown away when i suddenly saw

00:31:38.780 her on top of this monk of course i mean that's what you do when you pillage right right and so 1.00

00:31:47.340 So the point I'm making is rape and pillage doesn't actually leave a genetic footprint. 0.67

00:31:53.200 Even be king of a territory and have a bunch of wives doesn't leave a genetic footprint. 0.62

00:32:00.800 Actually, why doesn't it leave a genetic footprint?

00:32:03.140 It's an interesting point here.

00:32:04.920 Why was it that the Scots-Irish left a genetic footprint and continue to grow today?

00:32:10.420 They were ghettoized and the Jews were ghettoized.

00:32:13.800 um it's well because they allowed themselves to be ghettoized so when i guess it's kind of a

00:32:20.260 two-way street yeah when the vikings took territory they liked culturally being rich

00:32:28.320 showing off their wealth having lots of spouses having lots of nice things when they when they

00:32:36.080 created persistent colonies within a territory and their main social scene was still back in

00:32:41.660 the Scando areas right like all of their wealth in these territories was often to show off back 0.98

00:32:46.600 home in those territories right well what this meant is if you couldn't have wealth and lots

00:32:54.780 of wives and everything like that which most of a population cannot do and you were a viking you 1.00

00:33:01.120 didn't stay in these territories you'd go back home with whatever you could get because keep in 0.97

00:33:06.920 these societies were mostly feudal functional slaves and then a leading class that was naming

00:33:13.680 things that was creating the language i mean like the english language is like half you know from

00:33:18.240 from these these conquering groups right but one to two percent may even be overstating it maybe

00:33:22.380 like 0.2 percent of the population is actually norman because you you just didn't have enough

00:33:29.300 resources to maintain an elite class that was more than that what made the and this was also

00:33:35.540 true of the muslims as they spread out using this system but what made the backwards tradition 1.00

00:33:40.020 really different is because they had so much hatred and a reflexive disgust towards anyone

00:33:44.280 that signaled status there just wasn't a huge reason to ever accumulate and when i mean status

00:33:50.720 i mean status in terms of culture or wealth or anything like that they just didn't have a reason

00:33:54.820 to accumulate these things and because they didn't have a reason to accumulate these things

00:33:58.480 they never really cared about being poor or you know being from what the outsiders saw them as

00:34:05.500 is uncivilized which allowed them to just keep having kids it was never a concern for them it

00:34:12.560 was like well of course i'm gonna keep having kids in many ways when people look down on the

00:34:17.420 american redneck as being this you know uneducated whatever right and the american redneck is like 0.93

00:34:24.160 well screw you i don't care that you look down on me for that stuff that is the cultural response 0.70

00:34:28.680 that has allowed them to thrive at least genetically speaking to the extent they have 0.99

00:34:33.540 from this small starting population of maybe 3,000 people where, where other groups did not.

00:34:41.320 I think a lot of this also, now that I think about this in the context of pronatalism,

00:34:45.780 as we talk about it, coming from a place of cultural pride and liking your people in your

00:34:52.000 group, I think maybe part of the, the issue of taking on either conquered wives, even if it's

00:35:02.080 consensual or smex slaves is it shows a lack of pride of your own culture and people and instead

00:35:13.640 just kind of this nihilistic selfishness or hedonism exactly and not like a love of your

00:35:21.120 people and your upbringing and your culture so it may also be a sign of a lack of good cultural

00:35:29.500 upbringing, a lack of your childhood, like love for your childhood and your family and your people

00:35:34.020 and your future. And maybe that's also kind of where it's coming from is, is these are people

00:35:39.160 who become separated from that. I can see it making sense in the context of, for example,

00:35:45.220 members of the Japanese military who are just like, you know, experiencing an early version

00:35:50.420 of that Asian burnout of just like, I hate everything. I just, you know, like, I just want 1.00

00:35:54.620 to feel good and and maybe spaniard colonists just kind of being like i've been on a ship for a lot

00:36:01.260 like you know who knows what church services were like on this ship you've been separated from your

00:36:06.580 family you've been separated from your culture like it would make sense that a renaissance era 0.98

00:36:11.220 european colonist from pretty much anywhere would get a little creepy if like you know you've been

00:36:18.180 so unmoored from a community for that long i mean what do you they're basically like well this is

00:36:23.220 interesting about what you're saying so where you see this pattern of often not a huge genetic or

00:36:30.240 less of a genetic footprint that you would think in highly grapey behavior is when the men are 0.84

00:36:35.640 mostly interested in a status game somewhere else so when they appear to be unmoored from

00:36:42.240 any other community that the spanish conquistadors really cared about status and maybe setting up a

00:36:50.520 family back home in spain like that was often the goal you go to the u.s you go on your you know

00:36:56.820 grape adventure but the goal is always to get back to spain and to be even higher status within

00:37:02.120 spanish society it was the same with the vikings often it was not the same with the the backwoods

00:37:09.020 tradition people or the puritan people for example uh they they did not care like the the the

00:37:15.460 Backwards people did not care at all what any of the Scots-Irish who stayed in Ireland or the Ulster

00:37:21.580 Scots thought of them. They didn't even seem to have persistent communication with them after they

00:37:25.280 left. They were just completely irrelevant to their lives after that point. So it's how status

00:37:30.620 is measured. So this is one of those things, I talk about borrowing things from other cultures,

00:37:34.240 and in some episodes, I'm like, this is something good we can borrow from Jewish culture. This is

00:37:37.560 one of the strongest pieces of cultural technology that this culture has, which is a reflexive disgust

00:37:42.960 of status signaling. And another is looking for strength in partners like wives instead of looking

00:37:49.860 for traditional femininity in wives. I think you need to look at the underlying factors that lead

00:37:54.520 to interest in status signaling versus disgust. And I think the underlying things are status

00:38:01.360 signaling becomes, it gets out of control when you have a lack of genuine morality or cultural

00:38:07.340 values it's what it's what fills the void so what creates the void is the question you need to be

00:38:13.180 asked it's the lack of cultural values yeah well no no reflexive anger and disgust towards status

00:38:18.540 signaling is very it was was very important in making this work like you need to know that if

00:38:26.860 you try to show off how big your house is or you know how how many jewels you have or how many

00:38:33.180 that people are, you know, that you went to the latest opera, you know, that people are going to

00:38:38.080 roll their eyes at you to not attempt to do that stuff. Otherwise you end up picking it up from

00:38:43.260 the cultures around you. That is what the urban monoculture used to lure out so many people. And

00:38:47.660 that's one of the reasons why this group has been more resistant to it. And so when a lot of people

00:38:52.140 point to the poverty of these regions, it's like a bad thing. It's like, no, that's largely why they

00:38:56.400 survived, not caring about the poverty of their regions and not caring about particularly enriching

00:39:02.140 themselves which also leads to lower rates of military defections which we talk about in other

00:39:07.240 episodes so that's why they have fewer coups but i want to go to talking about the economics of

00:39:12.860 slavery now and what slavery does economically to a region uh so i want to put some graphs on

00:39:19.780 screen here which may really shock people if you haven't seen this one is to see where slavery was

00:39:28.180 actually practice in the united states which is in a smaller region than most people think it was

00:39:33.480 really just in the the region that had the what was it called tradition the cavalier tradition

00:39:38.920 and and you can see the greater appalachian territory essentially carving through it was

00:39:43.860 very little slavery and i think it just it's helpful to put into context why is that is why

00:39:48.900 that is the case the cavalier culture in the united states was the the earliest colonists

00:39:53.200 when there were often the second sons of wealthy English-landed gentry. This is a country where 0.99

00:40:02.320 the eldest son would inherit the estate in England, leaving second sons, for example,

00:40:07.580 to either, well, you needed to maybe join the clergy or join the military, or goodness knows,

00:40:12.460 maybe you'd go to the colonies. You'd go in a later period to India to serve in the British

00:40:17.580 imperial empire there. But what happened with many second sons is they would go to this particular

00:40:23.060 part of the colonies they'd get a plantation and because they weren't going there with any

00:40:27.440 community with any ideological drive like it was with the puritans with the puritans it was like

00:40:31.500 silicon valley group houses just a lot less they had a goal their goal was the traditions of the

00:40:39.300 nobility of europe yeah well it was basically to have my own estate it's just that i have to start

00:40:44.200 fresh and so they had to buy their labor and that's why they bought the slaves they weren't

00:40:48.420 it was about traditional status signaling without a religious framework really guiding it like

00:40:55.640 the equivalent of serfs already living on their family grounds you know they kind of needed to

00:41:00.440 figure that out it was some indentured servitude and they did some slavery yeah and if you look

00:41:06.820 at maps here so if we look at single parents cancer deaths mobility disability rates vision

00:41:11.280 disability rates cognitive disability rates difficult with independent living life expectancy

00:41:14.760 obesity rate, health insurance availability, heart disease rates, stroke death rates,

00:41:19.920 cancer deaths, diabetes, smoking, mental distress, household income, credit score,

00:41:26.300 debt delinquency, distressed communities, upwards mobility, income inequality, food insecurity,

00:41:32.420 workers making minimum wage or less, unemployment, incarceration rate, homicide rate, high school

00:41:36.820 diploma, teenage birth rates, excessive drinking, adult mobility, social capital index, broadband

00:41:42.640 internet religion and then we put that against slavery you see very high overlap now the first

00:41:50.540 thing that people are going to say in response to this is they're going to be like okay well now

00:41:54.620 show me a map of u.s black population by percentage right then it's like okay i'll give you that that

00:42:00.500 is a heavy overlap and i'll put that map on screen here but there's been a lot of studies that have

00:42:05.560 looked at the white population of these regions in isolation and they appear to have been economically

00:42:11.960 massively underserved like they do like well worth less than white populations in other regions 1.00

00:42:19.500 now of course part of that could be cavalier culture just doesn't lead to innovation doesn't

00:42:24.600 lead to to the development of industry which is certainly part of that at the same rate as other

00:42:30.600 american cultural groups but why why in in rome it didn't really develop why do you get these

00:42:38.740 enormous lack of economic development during periods in which you have slaves and this is

00:42:44.460 actually kind of surprising I mean like you have free labor right like presumably that should be

00:42:49.020 like a huge advantage right to a region to not have to pay your labor force you you you don't

00:42:56.100 see why that would be a big advantage Simone well I mean with when you just pay for your labor you 0.98

00:43:03.480 don't have to house it you don't have to feed it you don't have to you know you just you just pay

00:43:10.420 them and based on market forces you can you know raise or lower your penny that is that is true

00:43:16.320 to a large extent and this is something that you have to think of like if we're looking at this

00:43:20.720 completely divorced from morality or anything having slaves is kind of like having an expensive

00:43:25.320 automated factory like you have to consider depreciation and upkeep and like replacing

00:43:29.960 you know assets that have run through their lifetime etc and and to to me that that seems

00:43:35.740 like a yeah so this is an interesting point that Simone makes here which is worth diving into a 0.97

00:43:40.960 little bit now it is difficult from parsing history books to know what percent of northern

00:43:49.200 factory workers lived worse lives than the average slave and what percent of slaves led worse lives

00:43:57.580 than the average factory owner now you could say in absolute terms being technically free and we'll

00:44:05.100 talk about how free these factory workers really were is always better than being enslaved and i'd

00:44:10.680 be like that's just like objectively not true there are many instances where i would rather be

00:44:17.140 a slave than like starving to death or something like that right like if i had to watch my children 0.57

00:44:22.560 starve to death would i rather be a slave and see them sold off yeah any day of the week like i don't

00:44:30.440 even know how you could like joke about that right and and so but it's hard to because there's so 0.70

00:44:36.100 much bias from the the people who want to like do slavery apologetics to do slavery apologetics for

00:44:42.300 the people who want to you know over dramatize how bad things were for northern factory workers

00:44:46.960 which a lot of people love dramatizing that as well. But what can be said for sure is some

00:44:53.800 factory workers had a life that almost any human would choose some slave lives over the lives of 0.51

00:45:01.840 those factory workers. Well, and you just have to consider the incentives of the employer slash

00:45:06.340 slaveholder. A slaveholder is probably not going to do things that they know are going to have very

00:45:11.860 high mortality risks for you or like the risk of your arm being chopped off or something

00:45:16.280 because they've paid for you up front you were you were a non-trivial up front cost or if you

00:45:22.560 weren't like let's say you were born into their family or their estate you could be if in good

00:45:28.200 condition sold for a good price this is not the same with an employee like if if they lose their

00:45:33.860 arm oh i'm sorry we have to fire you i mean this is before labor regulations yeah this this was

00:45:38.680 very frequent for northern factory workers yeah like there's a dozen more where you came from like

00:45:44.000 i don't have to worry about fixing up my equipment to make it safer because there's a lot of people

00:45:48.600 who want this job and many northern factory workers starved to death it was very regular

00:45:53.740 for them to starve to death for their children to starve to death for there to be 12 applications 0.76

00:45:57.700 for any position for children to be sent into the machinery because they were considered disposable

00:46:03.100 and they could get into smaller places yeah like a cool hands children to be ground up and then

00:46:09.020 later serve to people in food stuffings because you know they just don't care they didn't care

00:46:13.960 about food regulations you know this stuff talk about in like the jungle and stuff like that

00:46:17.900 like the the the the worst of the worst like okay i'm trying to think of it a a truly cruel

00:46:25.560 grapey beady slave owner versus the worst of the worst of the northern factory barons

00:46:31.740 selling children as food products i mean they're both equally abominations of humans like they're

00:46:39.220 both i mean it's apples to oranges but they're both abominations of the highest i'm purely

00:46:43.620 looking at the cold incentives here and i'm also looking at it like not just from the perspective

00:46:48.020 of like what if i were a slave but also like what if i were just a heartless amoral plantation

00:46:53.060 operation owner of some sort that wants like to produce units yeah i mean i think there's this is

00:46:58.980 also why many of them favored indentured servitude because with indentured servitude you basically had

00:47:04.840 free labor that you could conveniently we've talked about this before but in some of the early

00:47:10.680 indentured servitude records we have in the american colonies only one in seven lived so

00:47:15.140 people talk about like how easy indentured servitude and the reason it was so low was because

00:47:19.220 of the economic incentive if they died you didn't have to pay them and so you basically were doing

00:47:24.840 everything in your power to get them killed and there wasn't anyway there was no maybe paid for

00:47:29.460 passage possibly but there was basically no upfront cost whereas there was with slaves so

00:47:35.460 basically yeah you were like oh yeah yeah it was like buy now pay later when they just declare

00:47:41.440 bankruptcy oh no i also want to note something when i talk about how bad some of the factories

00:47:46.880 were in the north and how bad some of the plantations were in the south we also need to

00:47:52.520 be very transparent about this is that many factories in the work were run by weirdo religious 0.99

00:48:00.440 puritans and stuff like that who had ideas that were very utopian that they tried to make things

00:48:07.360 good they tried to create like these perfect christian environments for their workers and

00:48:11.280 often very strange utopian town setups and stuff like this that you can still visit today there

00:48:18.300 were many plantations where people were you know christian and like really believed it and

00:48:25.960 wanted to try to like they thought they were creating the best life they could for their

00:48:31.000 slaves given their economic conditions but and i and i think that that's that's something that

00:48:35.340 needs to be noted because we live in a society where those things always get ignored but they

00:48:40.720 existed and they probably existed about at the same rates as the worst of the worst populations

00:48:46.580 that you have because you know most humans just aren't that evil yeah yeah yeah and we are in

00:48:52.960 in in this conversation talking about the like sociopathic edge cases genuinely horrible people

00:49:00.020 and yeah i mean there's always going to be a couple in every generation uh as to why slavery

00:49:06.060 does this it means that the wealthy in that society basically don't invest in innovation

00:49:11.540 and so even if innovation exists like in rome we know of lots of like technical sketches

00:49:16.340 of designs that could have been used to create the beginnings of an industrial revolution for like

00:49:21.920 moving water uphill and stuff like this and like early engine type designs but there was just

00:49:28.640 never a reason to experiment with this stuff if you had slaves right so why why try it why roll

00:49:34.700 it out why expand on this stuff if you're not doing the labor yourself and this is why you had

00:49:39.780 so much explosive innovation within the regions, specifically like the predominantly Protestant 0.92

00:49:48.040 northern regions of the United States and in places like Scotland, where you have these

00:49:53.300 more Calvinist groups that were very obsessed with doing everything themselves. And if you're

00:49:58.580 a population that's obsessed with doing everything yourselves, then you innovate. And the video

00:50:02.360 that really got me about why this causes such rapid cost reduction compared to outsourcing

00:50:09.220 something to slaves is consider base capitalism, right? So you have factory workers and you are

00:50:16.940 paying each factory worker for X many things that they produce, right? Like X many units. That's

00:50:23.960 fundamentally what you care about as a capitalist, right? You take your cut and then you give them

00:50:28.120 whatever you can, right? Well, now one factory worker finds a way to increase the production

00:50:35.600 rate of the factory by let's say 20%. Now this is the economic equivalent to amortizing that 20%

00:50:44.320 increase in that amount of product for that factory's life cycle. So if you had 130 people

00:50:49.380 there, now that person has done the job of, or let's say 100 people to make the math easier for

00:50:54.380 me, of 20 people over the course of an entire year, but amortized indefinitely into the future.

00:51:00.380 And so you pay them a lot more because now you want them to do other types of innovations like

00:51:05.260 that that increase efficiency and as soon as you get this giant economic motivation for efficiency

00:51:11.800 increases which you don't have for slaves and within a culture that has that mindset then the

00:51:17.480 people who become specialists at this have a good reason to really double down on what they were

00:51:23.060 doing which is like what my family did historically we did a lot of development like i've told you for

00:51:27.560 like oil and stuff like this is it's trying to make these processes more efficient and that leads

00:51:33.520 to these giant jumps in efficiency and and you get jumped in efficiency that are so large that

00:51:40.160 one person can do the work of you know 25 slaves and once you have one person being able to do the

00:51:46.640 work of 25 slaves this slavery becomes economically unviable which is actually basically already

00:51:51.000 happening at the end of the southern slavery period is that economics even if they hadn't

00:51:56.400 had the civil war likely would have largely ended the practice within a couple generations

00:52:00.920 now thoughts simone more broadly basically oh and the most interesting thing about all of this

00:52:07.840 is even in the countries and cultures that don't care about slavery with ai there's basically no

00:52:13.140 reason to have slaves at all anymore like as soon as we get ai humanoid robots they are generally

00:52:20.260 going to be cheaper than slaves no sadly no you don't think so not with things like smex slavery

00:52:29.840 no no i guess yeah some people want the real thing well it's yeah i mean for a lot of people

00:52:37.440 it's about power for a lot of people there are a lot of places in which life is still very cheap

00:52:42.820 in which they just sort of end up with people on their hands and it is you know fairly inexpensive

00:52:49.780 for them to just you know buy and sell it and abuse it and dispose of it when they're done and

00:52:57.240 it's tragic and horrible and i need to create a world in which that cannot happen and will never

00:53:01.040 happen again it keeps me up at night but i i have no doubt that is going to continue in in the age

00:53:07.300 of ai to to be like oh just get them a sex bot no that's not that's just not how it's going to work

00:53:13.700 for some people that will work but i mean if it's a physical piece of machinery like merely the the

00:53:19.700 material costs the upkeep the electricity the subscription service for the the ai to do it like

00:53:26.340 are you kidding like some displaced young ladies way less expensive than that just just logistically 1.00

00:53:34.860 speaking by by many orders of magnitude i don't think you understand just how like technically

00:53:41.140 inexpensive human life is when you know where to get it and that is heartbreaking but true and

00:53:47.320 that's not going to change yeah i'm sorry i'm trying to find a a counter example of this so

00:53:53.380 I was looking up Dutch traitors, and at least none of the Dutch traitors associated with New 0.70

00:53:57.940 Netherlands, it would have been another Protestant group, have any specific examples of sexual

00:54:02.820 violence against Native Americans. So there was an incident in Taiwan I was able to find,

00:54:08.760 which is the only incident apparently ever in human history of a large group of Protestants

00:54:14.720 graping people. This was in 1652, the Wu-Laiwan Rebellion, where the Dutch East India Company

00:54:22.020 asked for Taiwanese women to be handed over for sex. 0.99

00:54:26.440 Also, side note, if you don't know your history, 1.00

00:54:28.740 the Dutch are kind of bastards. 1.00

00:54:30.660 Outside of this, you could maybe argue 1.00

00:54:33.220 that Captain Cook's expedition did this,

00:54:35.560 who was an English individual from the Church of England,

00:54:39.580 except he mostly was trying to restrain his people,

00:54:43.860 and the big complaint he had is that they were trading nails 0.93

00:54:48.760 and parts of the ship for sexual access to women which is more like prostitution than slavery quite 1.00

00:54:55.880 different than what the conquistadors were doing so this does appear to be a real and durable

00:55:00.580 pattern of something totally unique to the catholic expeditionary forces right but there

00:55:07.200 are many cultural groups that for hundreds of years seem to be very interested in exploiting

00:55:13.320 the the bodies of vulnerable people that are both within their culture and not they just don't value

00:55:23.200 human life basically the point of this episode is when you conquer a region do the good christian

00:55:31.680 thing and eradicate the native population or you're going to have problems over the long term 0.99

00:55:37.380 i'm joking this is a joke by the way for anybody who wants to like take this out of context or

00:55:45.360 something that's a joke in fact the culture that i have lauded most in this episode would say

00:55:51.400 what you should do is eradicate the weak and intermarry with the strong and that's the goal 1.00

00:55:57.680 when conquering a territory well i mean that's fundamentally the law of humanity for the longest

00:56:03.360 period you can say oh that's a horrible thing to do but if you do not do this in the future then

00:56:11.280 you and your descendants will be weak and you will be conquered by the strong or at least in the end 0.93

00:56:16.240 it comes down to strong culture and strong communities if you want to have a lasting impact

00:56:20.640 in an area if you love your life and your people and your culture you you will find ways to spread

00:56:27.680 it and flourish and do great things and if you don't you're gonna fizzle out you have to have

00:56:37.160 something more than nihilism to have a lasting impact as a group and

00:56:43.040 yeah can you believe that we when was the daring take that

00:56:49.500 sex slavery is probably not a good thing civilizationally speaking 1.00

00:56:54.160 yeah but the argument's slightly different than like it's a humanitarian crisis and it's against

00:57:01.260 it's bad morality i'm not i'm not like it's a humanity i don't care about the humanitarian

00:57:04.620 consequences i'm just saying for your own people it's not good which is interesting like even if 0.95

00:57:09.760 you don't care about the humanitarian nature of it it's just a bad idea you're cucking yourself 0.82

00:57:17.740 is what you're saying yeah you're cooking yourself yeah there you go god it's bleak

00:57:25.840 all of this is bleak but i mean you're right i i want to focus more on the like this is more about

00:57:33.180 not not so much about all these people who ultimately don't matter and didn't matter and

00:57:39.120 won't matter because they choose this pathway they devalue human life like this they hate their own

00:57:43.740 people enough like this to do such horrible things but rather just how wonderful it is that

00:57:51.360 the people who ultimately win are the people who love who they are love their families love their

00:57:57.160 communities love their cultures and just want to support it yeah also there's another interesting

00:58:02.020 point to all of this which is that many catholics will say well most of the catholics today don't

00:58:09.340 like listen to the rules of the religion, right? And they bemoan that. And there's this implication

00:58:14.240 that this wasn't the case historically, that historically, most of the Catholics actually

00:58:19.600 did follow the rules of their religion. And as we can see from these cases, from the Spanish

00:58:25.260 colonizers, that wasn't true for huge swaths of Catholic territory. Many of the people, like it 1.00

00:58:31.880 just wasn't as good at being top of mind as a cultural value set as something like puritanism

00:58:40.100 was or the the the presbyterianism of the backwards people without doing any research or

00:58:46.860 really understanding it very well from an outsider's perspective what seems to be the

00:58:52.800 problem to me is when i think about conquistadors and early spanish missionaries they were not

00:59:00.060 they were very different from a catholic spanish community i grew up taking field trips to for

00:59:08.200 example californian spanish missions these these were these are monasteries or they were fortifications

00:59:13.660 they were not spanish communities oh oh this explains it in part

00:59:20.140 oh my god that they weren't replicating the entire civilization they were just sending out these 1.00

00:59:26.400 reavers essentially that didn't even represent it so no no no no so the the most religiously

00:59:33.860 called people in catholic culture even back then would have been wouldn't have been part of a

00:59:41.700 conquistador group they would have been even if they were adventure-minded they would have been

00:59:45.840 part of a missionary group they would have set up a missionary fort they wouldn't have been among

00:59:50.760 the conquistadors to give them side eyes when they decided to grave captives. But in a Puritan

00:59:56.940 expeditionary force, you would have among them some of the most religiously devout people.

01:00:04.300 And often it was the most religiously devout people that were elevated to positions of command.

01:00:09.460 So it would have been the person who, as a boy, felt particularly called to God in a Spanish

01:00:17.400 catholic society of the time might have ended up as a as a missionary in one of these areas but

01:00:22.580 they wouldn't have been doing the active combat they wouldn't have been doing the active you know

01:00:26.400 going out and and attempting to conquer these territories whereas if you are a backwoods person

01:00:32.660 or a puritan person and you are particularly called to religious callings you're you're

01:00:38.020 dramatically more likely to be the local general for example or to be the the what would have been

01:00:44.200 the equivalent of the actual lead conquistador, which makes it you religiously minded to keep

01:00:50.200 your troops in line. So it's like, where do these cultures sort the people who have enough of an 0.93

01:00:55.260 inner calling to impose cultural values? That's a factor. The argument I was making more is when

01:01:01.620 you look at the migratory patterns of these different groups, the ones who lasted and the

01:01:05.660 ones who didn't, the ones that lasted came over as families, including the Scots-Irish. They were

01:01:11.040 all collectively kicked out clans were kicked out families were kicked out together and they lasted

01:01:16.400 many many spanish came over as families and still great not to my knowledge not to my knowledge

01:01:22.320 into the great alexander the great's men came as men no spanish i know spanish too and i'm saying

01:01:28.940 and and the spanish came as men and the vikings no what you're not listening you're not listening

01:01:33.260 we have many records of spanish who did bring their families okay i don't remember reading of

01:01:41.580 any of them there's this is how this is why it's over 50 spanish dna if you're talking about most

01:01:48.020 of latin america because they came over in huge numbers with their families if you for a good

01:01:55.540 example of this just in case you're wondering like what this society looked like a really good

01:02:01.420 movie you should watch is mask of zorro they want to destroy america give me the courage 0.98

01:02:06.320 strength to wear the mask a little longer

01:02:09.280 the world isn't big enough to hide from me

01:02:17.900 so delightful yeah so come on picture mask of zorro society so in mask of zorro society 0.75

01:02:26.080 you had yeah there's the spanish elite okay you got a spanish elite okay so this spanish elite

01:02:31.820 that had families still regularly graped natives in their populations this is well recorded even

01:02:39.300 when they brought over their families even when they had their wives as another option 0.99

01:02:43.440 we still have records of them graping native populations

01:02:46.660 you can't just say it was because they were single now that's way post conquistador but sure

01:02:55.160 yeah which you could say is that the conquistador period where they didn't often have their own

01:03:01.040 women set a precedent that then was later carried out once they brought over their own families 1.00

01:03:06.980 but that doesn't always work either because a lot of the puritan and backwood settlements

01:03:13.800 they would often come over as just the men first and then bring over the women

01:03:17.560 and they didn't set this up as a great culture yeah my like green movies are those

01:03:25.060 did you different did you ever see like there was this one movie with like a about a spanish

01:03:30.320 conquistador who's like blonde and like blue-eyed and crazed looking going deep into the jungle and

01:03:36.260 am i like it really stuck with me it was very striking

01:03:40.580 no no that's no no that was like my end times no this is like

01:03:46.940 like small tribes in like the amazon region and this like blonde crazed looking man 0.84

01:03:54.820 okay yeah i'll try to find it because you didn't see that that's like my anchoring thing of like

01:04:02.080 what a conquistar is like and it's weird but i think it's also not inaccurate anyway yeah wow

01:04:09.400 and i will use ai to try to find counterfactuals to this trend yeah please i am curious and this

01:04:15.840 is where i found that one dutch example from taiwan uh that it's a counter example but other

01:04:21.960 than that i was able to find nothing because i'm still leaning into what what is what is the force

01:04:28.060 spreading is it a bunch of families who love each other and their culture and just want to go live

01:04:32.960 it somewhere be them or they're being kicked out of somewhere i accidentally came to the right

01:04:39.480 answer the core thing that leads to so much immorality within the catholic groups is they 0.89

01:04:46.780 take the people who care the most about what the bible says the most about what their face says

01:04:52.580 and the most about morality and cloister them from monasteries not not helpful the puritans

01:04:59.780 in the backwoods took those people and often elevated them to positions of leadership of

01:05:05.160 secular society yeah yeah they were not in operational roles sufficiently i mean 0.95

01:05:10.880 to be fair though i would say that the the monks did have a lot of influence in

01:05:16.780 and tried to get out there and do a lot of stuff or they did have influence they were

01:05:20.900 constantly complaining that people were doing this stuff yeah so i don't know i don't know

01:05:25.700 it's complicated i'm very very curious to see what people think of the comments so we'll see

01:05:30.240 love you today i love you too steak tonight by the way wonderful

01:05:35.560 there we go you'll need to adjust your camera a little bit and i know you're still trying to

01:05:46.680 get your mic connected you know whatever whatever you're on your own with the comments today because

01:05:55.300 it's all about mass effect like maybe it seemed to me at least when i checked in on comments

01:06:01.020 three people commented on the broader subject matter of us versus them and the rest were all

01:06:07.380 just mass effect comments and and references to your other video game references like this and

01:06:14.840 that i can't i still can't hear you though i hope uh detailed and nerdy mass effect comments not

01:06:23.280 just general one 100 yes were they very like well they're in this way and i saw a lot of them and

01:06:31.460 they're just wrong like well yeah you just didn't know that you had to cure the genophage if you

01:06:36.240 wanted to reach the like final optimal state and then other people like no that's not true you can

01:06:40.680 play through blah blah blah now these things like well i didn't want to you have to think about you

01:06:45.080 know in terms of the larger war you needed to have an ally to fight the something somethings and i'm

01:06:49.440 like i don't the reapers simone yes the reapers i'm so sorry reality the a a species like people 0.94

01:06:57.000 are just bad at math a warlike species like the krogan having a thousand children per year per 1.00

01:07:04.580 woman that would mean a completed tfr of like around seven because they start breeding at 20 0.98

01:07:11.860 of well over seven that 700 000 do you have any idea the compounding effects of a tfr of 700

01:07:22.720 000 you keep in mind you know like in the us we have a tfr of 1.6 if you had a completed tfr of

01:07:29.900 700 000 the entire universe would be wiped out we're talking like within two lifetimes you you

01:07:38.780 are literally creating a threat dramatically larger than the reapers like there was a way

01:07:44.440 to handle the reapers there is no way to handle a krogan fertility explosion other than another 1.00

01:07:51.540 genophage but who's to know that'll work again right now that they found a way to cure it once

01:07:56.420 one person pointed out that there you couldn't you could think of the genophage problem as a

01:08:01.420 roko's basilisk problem where like well eventually they'll find a cure though and then they're going

01:08:05.980 to punish whoever didn't help them find the cure no you could just eradicate them which is what

01:08:13.180 they were doing to themselves like this the universe doesn't need the krogan they are a 1.00

01:08:19.020 species that is mean to their own people right like the main reason they wanted to go back to 1.00

01:08:24.500 this really high birth rate is it involved childhood rituals that had a really high death

01:08:29.260 rate and so they called the ones who were born after it the the phage lucky as like an insult

01:08:36.140 because they didn't have to go through this death trial and so you're re recreating even for the

01:08:41.760 krogan in extremely brutal society like you are actively making things worse for the krogan as 1.00

01:08:48.200 well by curing it people were like oh well the cured genophage wouldn't go back to the infertility

01:08:53.160 infertility it would only be like half that and it's like okay so a tfr around 350 000 okay okay

01:08:59.900 i'm just doing sketch math in my head 350 000 compounding year like generation over generation

01:09:05.440 is it's still it's still not yeah you're not solving the problem with that it's true

01:09:10.960 it's bad really really quickly there was no no sane person ever saves the krogan in any timeline 1.00

01:09:20.380 no matter how much of a threat the reapers seemed like yeah

01:09:23.720 i'm sorry to subject you to that nerdiness simone well no i i don't mind the nerdiness

01:09:31.500 i just haven't played mass effect so it's just me and eric krieg in the comments being like well

01:09:37.300 i don't get it but i'm sure this has been philosophically rich for you

01:09:42.220 he like commented twice and they're just like i don't see the point and i'm like

01:09:48.740 who doesn't see the point he's just not he i don't think he ever played video games i've

01:09:54.540 never really played video games like oh well there is a big point to the the the point is

01:09:59.380 that 96 percent of people chose this option because they had a program yeah we're talking

01:10:05.800 about like the meta picture of like what's the point of of video games and i i do think that

01:10:10.840 some and we were just talking last night about like we can't wait for our kids to start playing 0.51

01:10:14.800 civ and the other sort of civilization oh well the point of video games is to masturbate specific

01:10:20.380 instincts war instincts fighting instincts if you do not like as we've talked about with regular 0.72

01:10:26.800 masturbation it dramatically reduces the rates of grape within a society and stuff like that

01:10:31.600 if you remove video games from a society men do not regularly exercise these pathways that's going

01:10:40.300 to change their day-to-day behavior the way they perceive reality the way they perceive the world

01:10:44.800 and society is already becoming significantly less violent to the extent where i was shocked

01:10:49.200 to learn like when our steven molleneuve debate that he'd never fought someone in his entire life

01:10:53.380 like had a physical fight a lot about that that was interesting i was like that's bizarre right

01:10:58.560 like but like that's got to do something to a male's brain to have never fought someone in

01:11:03.500 their entire life anyway the cultural differences all right so i'll get into the episode

01:11:12.360 20, 21, 22, 23. That's the point. 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30. Okay, Octavian, give me five seconds.

01:11:32.820 One, two, three, four, five, now, bump it off your head, tight and wait.

01:11:39.480 One, two, three, four, five, go, go, everyone can go now.

01:11:45.300 You want to use the buckets, right guys?

01:11:47.360 I need one, I need one, I need one, I need one, I need one, I need one, here you go.

01:11:54.360 Woohoo! 1.00

01:11:56.360 I won all of them!

01:11:58.360 You better go fast!

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01:12:02.360 I got this!

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01:12:06.360 Take it!

01:12:08.360 Run, run, run, run!

01:12:10.360 Oh my gosh, you're a cool one! Good job!

01:12:12.360 I got these guys!

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01:12:16.360 Oh, your favorite color is painted purple!

01:12:18.360 Hey! 0.99

01:12:20.360 Did I do a candle?

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01:12:25.600 Well, maybe Toasty is down to the other room.

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01:12:30.140 Whoa, Toasty, you're way ahead.

01:12:32.420 He's up ahead.

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01:12:34.940 Where's him go?

01:12:35.580 Where's the blue?

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01:12:39.340 Andy's trying to get down, sweetheart.

01:12:40.740 I'm trying to get you down.

01:12:42.760 I'm trying to get down to my favorite color.

01:12:48.100 Big, your favorite color.

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