Was Slavery Good？ (What About Smex Slaves？)
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Summary
In this episode, Simone and Simone discuss a concept that was way more interesting than they expected it to be as they dive into it: Is slavery good or bad? Simone discusses the history of slavery in the Middle East, why it's a problem, and why it needs to stop.
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Today, we are going to be talking about a concept that was way more interesting than
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I expected it to be as I started to dive into it.
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And what brought up this concept is like, obviously, this is not a topic we were allowed
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to talk about growing up or we've been allowed to talk about more broadly as a society.
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And so then Tucker Carlson and the left has been hugely glazing recently places like Qatar.
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And I'm like, well, Qatar's a slave state, right?
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Like, so if he can talk about how great Qatari cities are, at least the faction of the right
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that like doesn't like this weird Tucker faction, they think slave states are awesome now.
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And the left thinks slave states are awesome now because, you know, across the Middle East,
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Fun fact, by the way, in Gaza, the neighborhood where blacks are kept is called slaves or like slave neighborhood.
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But more specifically, because I wanted to check this to make sure I was right.
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Yeah, it's called the neighborhood of the slaves is where black people live in Gaza because having slaves is so common there.
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and there were around 11 000 afro-palestinians uh around one percent of the population of gaza
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was black uh and and brought there to be slaves so yeah i mean this is common in the in the there's
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a black ghetto in gaza yeah in the area well they bring them in and use them as slaves basically so
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remember that the when they were doing the mass genocide in darfur there was like
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what was it 10 exercise of the deaths in gaza that this genocide was of muslims against blacks
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and they called them slaves that was no it's not not exactly it's more just that they were kind of
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synonymous it's just like oh just the one used for black person sort of it was what's the word
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for when something's like phoenix you know or band-aid where like you know it becomes genericized
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of like well they're they're the same thing and then so then i'm i'm i am sure that american
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blacks would believe if you use the word analogy for that you're like it's just synonymous
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synonymous category is people who annoy you audience keep quiet please
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uh well uh 10 seconds mr marsh i know it but i don't think i should say it oh
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oh oh naggers of course naggers right uh can we cut to uh can we cut to a it's more just that
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they were kind of synonymous like yes it was used in that context but we use it in different contexts
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all the time now if you live in a society where the only ever time you see someone who is you
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know we'll say who has purple hair is a slave you're just gonna be like well i need to get a
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purple-haired person you know around the plantation or whatever tucker went further by the way i just
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don't buy your argument at all they mean it as a slur they mean it as this is how we see you because
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it's common in those regions but by the way fun fact more slaves on earth today than there ever
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have been in human history that's no i knew that and it really frustrates me when people are like
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oh we practiced slavery in the past we're so humiliated it's like i know what do you care
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like stop worrying about reparations maybe stop slavery today there's stuff you can do today
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because yeah that's what gets me when a woke person complains about being enslaved it's like
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you only get to complain about being enslaved if you're going to do something about the slavery
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that exists today yeah because my ancestors did something about your ancestors slavery
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so what are you doing for the existing oh nothing so you're no better than all the the white people
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whose descendants are now you know implicated in reparations requirements or white guilt or
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whatever it is coming out in this episode is is is actually probably more that if we're talking
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about who did more harm to who oh the the southerners the reparations and we'll get into
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some data on that but to get it even spicy i know i know from a moral perspective but if we're just
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talking about economically they were a net hindrance to the region oh no yeah yeah gosh i
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feel like i was reading to this just recently someone talking about how oh yeah no one of the
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people who is talks with with the pod a lot was talking about how slavery ultimately held back
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technological advancement in the south um and how when you have not just the south you see it holding
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back wherever it's practiced and we'll go into why like it's the reason why rome didn't have an
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industrial revolution because they had a massive slave population if they didn't have that they
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probably would have had an industrial revolution looking at the technology that they had access to
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they had access to many of the early tools of the industrial revolution they just had no reason to
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use them because they had constant slave populations yeah yeah the general argument being
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that when you have an excess of human labor you tend to get lazy and not actually technological
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but this stuff isn't the most interesting stuff and i want to start with the most interesting stuff
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because the most interesting stuff actually comes from tucker's second comment which was when he
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went on about how we were demanding a total surrender of iran and iran knows what total
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surrender means it means that they have to give up their daughters and wives to be graped and he
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didn't think that americans wanted to go out there and do that and first of all we had total surrender
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from germany and japan during world war ii and like that was not a big problem so like how did
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how did tucker not know like that's a something that's really at least if you have a decent
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like basic level american education you would be aware of but it got me thinking okay tucker
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you're trying to normalize grape in war scenarios again right like bringing it up is it a good idea
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like are grape slaves a good idea right i'm talking about at a civilizational level
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uh-huh we know that different groups practice it at different rates it's it's very explicitly
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allowed in the quran you are i i love it when i first asked an ai this it said no the quran
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doesn't allow for the grape of the the the the grape of of women after area surrenders it goes
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it only allows you to have sexual relations with your slaves and you can take as many women slave
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as you want after you capture a region and i'm like that's great that's great okay if you are
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having sex with somebody who doesn't have the ability to turn you down because as the grant
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says if they are yours if they are your property because they're your property that is grape in
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every sense of the word okay yeah and we know that for jews in in in the the bible the the
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that has a you know rules for this you have you you are not allowed to do this you have to
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marry them first in like a ceremony and have like a grieving thing and they need to be taken as a
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legal wife but i mean they don't have much choice in the matter and we do know that jews practices
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in mass to the extent where 50 of the ancestral jewish dna is canaanite um so like there was
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heavy mixing of the populations this is also where a lot of the you know we're you know in
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the temple they had statues of other gods when you have the josiah reforms meaning that like
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the other gods practices had heavily integrated with jewish practices because of this intermarrying
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process and then they started being told not to intermarry and that's where judaism became more
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of a like monoethic thing but this became bigger after the temple if you're more interested in a
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four-hour deep dive on this you can see our topic the question that breaks judaism
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or our topic of when did jews become monogamous but jews had had those rules and then with
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christians you're you're you know love your enemies stuff like that it's it's it's pretty
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taken that you should not be taking slaves after a conflict and graping them but the problem is
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right is you can say okay this is what's in their legal text like for example in jewish legal texts
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still technically they could take wives from a conquered region but jews haven't done that in
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thousands of years right so what about christians different christian populations because there's
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different christian cultural groups but so i started to look into this and with in some
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christian cultural groups it is genuinely astonishing the extent to which they did not
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do this to give you an example there is not a single recorded case in all of american history
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of a puritan of a quaker or of someone of the backwoods tradition graping a native american
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captive really not even backwoods even backwards maybe like they don't like they would never
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document it because i mean how many so you could make this argument but the problem with the
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argument is we have tons and tons and tons of written puritan and quaker complaints about all
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of the things that they hated about the backwoods people and never in a single one of these complaints
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these complaints could even be made up yeah is an accusation of graping a captive native
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or really anyone else now i will note that they do complain that the backwoods people
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often married into native families and this is where it gets really and then they have like
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traditions of like maybe it was playful and and like kind of a pantomime but like carrying off
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women you know like stealing them of although it was it was pantomime like no legal no blood feuds
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we are aware of from anything that was seen as a genuine grape um and no accusations of it by
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surrounding populations that hated them now and the reason why it's particularly notable when
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you're talking about like the puritans and the quakers is the puritans and the quakers like the
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Puritans especially, were fastidious about documenting sexual crimes. We know of, for
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example, in Puritan settlements, one person did say something to a Native American woman that was
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seen as inappropriate, and so he was whipped. We do know of one other servant who was not a Puritan
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who attempted to rape a Native American woman and was severely punished. But hold on, this is where
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this gets interesting, and especially in regards to the backwards, because I want to focus on that
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it comes off as like weird why aren't they doing this when you go okay what about other christian
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populations what about the the cavaliers right yeah it appears the cavaliers graped pretty
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regularly in fact in the cavalier society graphing was considered a misdemeanor or less than a
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misdemeanor this is a southern society if you're talking about the u.s and a lot of people think
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of like all of the confederate states as like cavalier and and they were not we'll be going
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ever some maps soon. And you'll see that in the greater Appalachian region or the backwoods region,
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slavery just wasn't really practiced at all. It's like a huge wall against slavery. And we'll go
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into why that may be as well, right? Why did this group never practice it? And what was the economic
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effect of them never practicing it? But what about Catholics? Uh-oh. Uh-oh. I always hate having to
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go into this because this is one of those things where I didn't go into this like wanting to do a
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why are catholics always so persistent i don't know man it's just every episode you know like
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literally in this case i even was just looking for counter examples because i wanted to break
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things up and i couldn't find them uh this is just a problem with history it's um history
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makes them look bad but you must even know from your history the spanish particularly were
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basically grape machines i mean when they were colonizers they every every island they went to
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every colony there was not an ungrape captive i am actually not even aware of a single spanish
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expedition that didn't have significant graping going on so i decided to look into this was there
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any Spanish expedition that didn't grape natives and there is one actually the Alar Nunze Cabase
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de Vaca incident in which the ship crashed and the people on the ship over eight years had to live
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among native tribes and they in this incident I guess when their lives depended on it didn't
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grape them other than that we have no incidents like like no incidents of this happening it's
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it's really which is shocking because you see no incidents of it happening when it's the other way
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around which is very very significant okay and then you can be like okay what about other
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Catholic populations like what about Quebec what about Louisiana right this is interesting it
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appears these populations were probably at around the level of cavaliers like it happened and it
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happened frequently enough that the jesuits were constantly complaining about it but it it didn't
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appear to be truly systemic it was something that bad apples did it was not something that the
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captain and all the boys did that was very spanish and spanish it was just everybody like like we're
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going to go out and and and this had massive effects on these various populations this is
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part of the reason why you know when american catholics like complain about i've always been
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very confused about like catholics like nick fuentes complaining about catholic immigrants
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from latin america because i'm like but they're catholic immigrants right and he's like well
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they're genetically different for me and i'm like i mean that's mostly because of all the
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graping that the catholics did right like that's where a lot of that native american blood came
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from. There were some consensual arrangements within that, you know, led to the mixed blood
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in these settlements. But it seems like, at least in the early days, the vast majority was great.
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And this is where it gets really interesting, because the Backwoods people did frequently
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marry into native populations. But it was almost never the population, or not almost never, as far
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as we know, there's no historical accounts of it being the populations that they conquered.
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when they conquered a settlement they completely wiped them out that was that seemed to have been
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always the goal so it's not even like particularly more moral they just and also interesting you
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might not know this but it was also very rare for native americans of that region to create
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captives as well this is this is not true of native americans of the west oh okay you mean
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like in south america it was no no no northeastern america the the native americans that were
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abutting where the backwoods people were and where the puritans were did not grape their
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captives frequently really and there we have a lot of accounts from captives who were later freed
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and they document just it didn't happen to them this is notable that like native americans
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didn't do this in many cases whereas you know the the spanish almost always did right um so you're
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seeing like even a higher level of morality there but what are the consequences of this right and
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why might you have prohibitions against this why might you have cultural prohibitions against this
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and why did the backwoods people not do this when they apparently didn't have any prohibitions
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against wiping out Native American settlements the core answer to that just so we don't make it a big
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confusing question is you can find it by looking at the reports we do in other episodes where we
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contrast the different american cultural subgroups historically speaking love letters about like why
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they liked their wife or why they chose their wife or why their wife was awesome yeah and they they
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would say very different things about them in the cavalier it was mostly she's pretty in or she's
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very effeminate or she's of a good family a lot of it yeah or she's well-read right um connected
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from a good family whatever in the puritan tradition it was almost always she has great
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intellectual discussions with me like she's she's a very good conversationalist i really like
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you know the book she's read the thing that was what the puritans really cared about and if you
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go to the backwoods it's always like she's very good with a with a rifle she can defend the house
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well she can do chores really well she you know it was very much like how robust she was how much
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of a like martial spirit is really what they cared about and so if you are a culture that when
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you're looking for i want a strong mate and you just killed all of this person's family their
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brothers their fathers the rest of their clan you're you're not going to want to marry into
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that right you're not going to want to raise their kids especially if you're from a tradition
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that was pretty strictly monogamous and in the region and also they were they had a different
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relation to religion and and and they were presbyterian mostly than the other groups of
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the of the region but they were still very religious and and it guided sort of their
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moral choices and sometimes more important than their moral choices their hierarchy was in the
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surrounding community like people would have looked down on them for something like this if
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it got out and within cultures that care about that sort of honor you're not gonna break those
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sorts of taboos even if you don't have the the religious morality right and this also explains
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why they were totally okay with marrying the tribes that they fought alongside they're like
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oh you know you fight with us you're strong like we'll marry into this all right so to continue
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here the core downside was oh and and by the way people are wondering if great slaves are still
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common in islamic countries in terms of enslaved populations they are very common it's a huge
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problem in qatar in the uae even though these people aren't like by what the quran would say
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technically slaves they still get graped very frequently it's a big problem so yeah oh also
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if you're wondering mormons not a single known case of a mormon raping a native captive and they
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did have native captains on occasion so oh they did oh yeah yeah yeah other other population that
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that did not great so it's like this this makes it even more stark about like the spanish doing
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this constantly and the french doing this occasionally because apparently a lot of
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people can get by like without doing it it's not like an inevitability even if there's active yeah
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animosity or even if they are for example like early mormons expanding into what might be
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territory inhabited by native americans already indigenous people whatever we're calling them now
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yeah okay well and i think i mean obviously i might be biased because i'm partially from
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the backwoods tradition myself but i think the backwoods idea around this is actually
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fundamentally pretty good which is to say if you were able to conquer a territory you probably
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don't want to marry the women of that territory because they are then genetically conquering your
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own people and we actually see this repeatedly of other groups that were very violent and
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expansionist so examples here are well one muslims two vikings vikings is a is a better example
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muslims actually got more genetic spread but vikings actually had an almost negligible genetic
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spread in the regions that they conquered and use smex slaves it who didn't do that though was
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alexander the grade he had this policy of getting his top leadership to mary and whatever regions
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and he picked up wives in the various regions they conquered like roxanne for example yeah
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my understanding is that the greek genetic influence in those regions was wiped out pretty
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quickly partially as kind of diluted it instantly they also just didn't seem to like stop to actually
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really set up and entrench in many of the places where they you know i mean this this shows you
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know if you're if you're playing like the genetics game right and and having your genetics within a
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region helps your culture thrive grow within that region because usually the two are sort of co i'm
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gonna say comorbid but like they they have a i forget what it's called like a beneficial cycle
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with each other like the the the genes in the culture often have predilections together that
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make them work more easily together so so an example of this could be you could develop as
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Simone that knows that I have for example who knows if this is from my ancestors but I have a
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pretty strong disgust reaction towards women that I see as beneath me and I just never really slept
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around with women I saw as beneath me even when I did sleep around a lot because I saw it as and
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this is partially why I don't sleep as women who have high body counts but it's not just that it's
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like more generally like she knew this was the problem with her and her degree that she talks
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about where i was like it's pretty gross that you don't have like an active turnoff related to
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college degree and it wasn't even like i didn't have one it was that it was the wrong college
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well you yeah you were valedictorian even and i was like i guess that makes up for it but you know
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you do have to go to cambridge if we're getting married yeah i don't want to keep dealing with
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this it's interesting that at a subconscious level my brain rather than recognizing elite
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colleges as like an elitist thing the way they would typically be recognized i saw it as just
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a sign of fitness and competing within the existing societal structure at least the one
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that existed when i was growing up i doubt my kids will feel that way because it's no longer
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relevant in terms of your ability to amass power whether that power is capital followers etc but it
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was then but no it is it is like an active disgust pathway that i have right it is interesting yeah
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that like what one cultural group might be like oh yeah absolutely like i'd hit that and other
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people being like you know why would i i would not even think about it like that yeah i started
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to think about it in the case of like tucker carlson offer right this is what actually got
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me thinking about it and i was like what american troops would want to like yeah like would i
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actually like i mean there's a lot of incels in the u.s it would be like yeah sign me up i will
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i i will go to iran i will take one for the team america but i i think a a fairly large percent of
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the american male population would just be like why would i do that yeah yeah yeah like doesn't
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seem like my thing and and note again we don't see this in all populations populations that are
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famous for graping captives are for example the japanese japanese famously graped about anyone
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they could capture constantly and consistently and in fact they did it even more than the
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catholics so you know hey at least the catholics aren't as bad as the japanese yay yay did they
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did the japanese do more than the catholics i mean i might ask ai i mean are we talking numerically
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are we talking in forms of violence i'm talking in terms of frequency like they have a captive
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what's the probability uh-huh all right checked it out and the answer is not even close this
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Japanese are way more likely to rape than Catholics, even if you narrow that Catholic
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population to only Spanish colonizers when measured on a per-soldier, per-captive, per-opportunity
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basis. Apparently, not even close. Casual grape was considered a routine reward for soldiers in
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the japanese army but wait wasn't that true of the spanish colonizers they say the main reason
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is because it varied by region if there was like a monastery in that region they would stop them
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okay well not stop them but complain about it loudly yeah like if you're a woman and you're
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taken captive by type a type b type c you know catholic spaniard japanese military man
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protestant yeah backwoods person quaker quaker is like none no i i like i i was going through
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this with ai to try to find like any account ai's great for that i can be like any historical
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example can you find one concretely recorded historical example can you imagine they wouldn't
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even know where to go because if you asked a quaker woman you know like she let's say that
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there's something wrong with like you know her her chest she'd be like oh my stomach hurts
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if she had you know problems in her you know intimate areas she'd say my stomach hurts you
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know the big problem where the pirates kept raiding them and they wouldn't do anything about
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it and it was a big debate in philadelphia of like whether we should do anything about the
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pirates that keep killing and graping our population and they were like i don't know
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like the the it would be violent to stop them you you could i when i say woke culture came
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from quaker culture like it really like the the similarities are astonishing um but that is read
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the pragmatist guide the crafting religion or we might do another episode on that make for a good
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episode but the advantages of this so i've talked about other cultures that quickly exploded out
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onto a population out of nowhere starting with very small starting numbers and most of the
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american groups represent one of these populations the starting quaker population in america was
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small the starting puritan population in america was small the starting cavalier population in
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america was small like we're talking about like the actual immigrants over but the starting reaver
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population that the backwoods came from which were gangs in of ulster scots in a in a lawless
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territory of scotland they were maybe as i pointed out in the past maybe 3 000 fighting age men in
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total that exploded into one of the dominant american cultures and one of the largest cultures
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on earth that really only compares in terms of its explosive conquering of a region to again like
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the vikings or the muslims or something like that but the vikings didn't have a lasting genetic
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impact except in one region where did the vikings have a lasting genetic impact
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oh don't tell me that that's not where they came from i want to say the midwest it would no it was
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the only region where they didn't have anyone to grape not in the united states like ice iceland
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iceland and greenland okay okay okay okay okay just like new land to settle interesting because
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they didn't well they they conquered other territories really extensively to the point
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where there's tons of towns named after them in england there's tons of you know
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but they just did not have much of a genetic impact it appears to be between four and six
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percent um except in the orcanian shetlands islands there's a very high island at the
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very top of scotland where they had permanent settlements and there it's uh 23 to 28 percent
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to have a genetic impact you have to be way more systemic about it and set up colonies and have a
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native population die off which really requires a spanish level amount of this and in spanish
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territories about that they did become the dominant genetic ancestor in the regions and
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they have around i think like across latin america it's about 25 native american blood left
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but a lot of now you can say well yeah but how is that working for them in those regions like
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are these regions economically successful did the cultures meld well did they meld harmoniously in a
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way that led to technologically productive capacity and not endless civil wars and fights
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you could argue maybe that's a a poor integration of the cultures that led to that maybe it's just
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catholic culture more broadly because we've talked in other episodes that catholics have military
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coups at a way higher rate than than protestants do but if you contrast it with the backwoods
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people which did genetically integrate to an extent now to a way lower extent i i'd estimate
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their level of genetic integration is 2.5 percent unless you're getting to specific
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subpopulations like the i forget what they're called but they like heavily integrated with
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the native american population and they've become pretty genetically successful in some parts of the
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appellation territories and they have a a name so they integrated with free slaves and native
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americans and they have a different and unique culture that that has been pretty successful and
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is still surviving um but all of these groups they never had like after the initial rebellions
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of the colonial period they didn't really have any discordance nor was there a huge differentiation
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in society between like the people of this culture with some native blood and the people without some
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native blood to the extent that like it's not even well documented who is partially native for most
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of these regions, which I think would surprise, you know, people from the Spanish areas where you
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did keep heavy track of this because it determined your social standing in society. So basically it
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led to more success. It led to more cultural success. So it's, it's generally not, and it led
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to more cultural genetic success. So. You mean like a lasting genetically detectable impact in
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an area right like like the backwoods people still make up the genetically dominant group
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in the regions that they conquered in in the early colonial days whereas if you look at
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so basically an argument against especially sex slavery is an argument for segregation
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yeah well i mean this happened with the with the with the arabs to an extent as well like
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Muslims held huge amounts of territory that have almost no Arab DNA left in them because they
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practice this system. And Jews, as I said, ended up melding with their greatest enemy because they
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practice this system for a period and don't anymore, partially likely as like a cultural
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evolutionary adaptation to the negative effects of that. Now let's talk about the economics of
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any any thoughts before i go further there are yeah i'm i'm trying to figure out i i wish i could
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just go back in time and like i don't know like it's it's mid-battle there is a a viking i thought
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they did come on rape and pillage that's like a viking thing isn't it you should be really proud
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of your wife at least i mean freya dove into that pillaging 100 percent even took part in
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quite a lot of the scraping i didn't really expect that i was totally blown away when i suddenly saw
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her on top of this monk of course i mean that's what you do when you pillage right right and so
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So the point I'm making is rape and pillage doesn't actually leave a genetic footprint.
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Even be king of a territory and have a bunch of wives doesn't leave a genetic footprint.
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Actually, why doesn't it leave a genetic footprint?
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Why was it that the Scots-Irish left a genetic footprint and continue to grow today?
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They were ghettoized and the Jews were ghettoized.
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um it's well because they allowed themselves to be ghettoized so when i guess it's kind of a
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two-way street yeah when the vikings took territory they liked culturally being rich
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showing off their wealth having lots of spouses having lots of nice things when they when they
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created persistent colonies within a territory and their main social scene was still back in
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the Scando areas right like all of their wealth in these territories was often to show off back
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home in those territories right well what this meant is if you couldn't have wealth and lots
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of wives and everything like that which most of a population cannot do and you were a viking you
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didn't stay in these territories you'd go back home with whatever you could get because keep in
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these societies were mostly feudal functional slaves and then a leading class that was naming
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things that was creating the language i mean like the english language is like half you know from
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from these these conquering groups right but one to two percent may even be overstating it maybe
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like 0.2 percent of the population is actually norman because you you just didn't have enough
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resources to maintain an elite class that was more than that what made the and this was also
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true of the muslims as they spread out using this system but what made the backwards tradition
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really different is because they had so much hatred and a reflexive disgust towards anyone
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that signaled status there just wasn't a huge reason to ever accumulate and when i mean status
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i mean status in terms of culture or wealth or anything like that they just didn't have a reason
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to accumulate these things and because they didn't have a reason to accumulate these things
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they never really cared about being poor or you know being from what the outsiders saw them as
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is uncivilized which allowed them to just keep having kids it was never a concern for them it
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was like well of course i'm gonna keep having kids in many ways when people look down on the
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american redneck as being this you know uneducated whatever right and the american redneck is like
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well screw you i don't care that you look down on me for that stuff that is the cultural response
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that has allowed them to thrive at least genetically speaking to the extent they have
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from this small starting population of maybe 3,000 people where, where other groups did not.
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I think a lot of this also, now that I think about this in the context of pronatalism,
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as we talk about it, coming from a place of cultural pride and liking your people in your
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group, I think maybe part of the, the issue of taking on either conquered wives, even if it's
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consensual or smex slaves is it shows a lack of pride of your own culture and people and instead
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just kind of this nihilistic selfishness or hedonism exactly and not like a love of your
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people and your upbringing and your culture so it may also be a sign of a lack of good cultural
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upbringing, a lack of your childhood, like love for your childhood and your family and your people
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and your future. And maybe that's also kind of where it's coming from is, is these are people
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who become separated from that. I can see it making sense in the context of, for example,
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members of the Japanese military who are just like, you know, experiencing an early version
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of that Asian burnout of just like, I hate everything. I just, you know, like, I just want
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to feel good and and maybe spaniard colonists just kind of being like i've been on a ship for a lot
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like you know who knows what church services were like on this ship you've been separated from your
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family you've been separated from your culture like it would make sense that a renaissance era
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european colonist from pretty much anywhere would get a little creepy if like you know you've been
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so unmoored from a community for that long i mean what do you they're basically like well this is
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interesting about what you're saying so where you see this pattern of often not a huge genetic or
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less of a genetic footprint that you would think in highly grapey behavior is when the men are
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mostly interested in a status game somewhere else so when they appear to be unmoored from
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any other community that the spanish conquistadors really cared about status and maybe setting up a
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family back home in spain like that was often the goal you go to the u.s you go on your you know
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grape adventure but the goal is always to get back to spain and to be even higher status within
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spanish society it was the same with the vikings often it was not the same with the the backwoods
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tradition people or the puritan people for example uh they they did not care like the the the
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Backwards people did not care at all what any of the Scots-Irish who stayed in Ireland or the Ulster
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Scots thought of them. They didn't even seem to have persistent communication with them after they
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left. They were just completely irrelevant to their lives after that point. So it's how status
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is measured. So this is one of those things, I talk about borrowing things from other cultures,
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and in some episodes, I'm like, this is something good we can borrow from Jewish culture. This is
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one of the strongest pieces of cultural technology that this culture has, which is a reflexive disgust
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of status signaling. And another is looking for strength in partners like wives instead of looking
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for traditional femininity in wives. I think you need to look at the underlying factors that lead
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to interest in status signaling versus disgust. And I think the underlying things are status
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signaling becomes, it gets out of control when you have a lack of genuine morality or cultural
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values it's what it's what fills the void so what creates the void is the question you need to be
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asked it's the lack of cultural values yeah well no no reflexive anger and disgust towards status
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signaling is very it was was very important in making this work like you need to know that if
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you try to show off how big your house is or you know how how many jewels you have or how many
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that people are, you know, that you went to the latest opera, you know, that people are going to
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roll their eyes at you to not attempt to do that stuff. Otherwise you end up picking it up from
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the cultures around you. That is what the urban monoculture used to lure out so many people. And
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that's one of the reasons why this group has been more resistant to it. And so when a lot of people
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point to the poverty of these regions, it's like a bad thing. It's like, no, that's largely why they
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survived, not caring about the poverty of their regions and not caring about particularly enriching
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themselves which also leads to lower rates of military defections which we talk about in other
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episodes so that's why they have fewer coups but i want to go to talking about the economics of
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slavery now and what slavery does economically to a region uh so i want to put some graphs on
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screen here which may really shock people if you haven't seen this one is to see where slavery was
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actually practice in the united states which is in a smaller region than most people think it was
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really just in the the region that had the what was it called tradition the cavalier tradition
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and and you can see the greater appalachian territory essentially carving through it was
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very little slavery and i think it just it's helpful to put into context why is that is why
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that is the case the cavalier culture in the united states was the the earliest colonists
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when there were often the second sons of wealthy English-landed gentry. This is a country where
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the eldest son would inherit the estate in England, leaving second sons, for example,
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to either, well, you needed to maybe join the clergy or join the military, or goodness knows,
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maybe you'd go to the colonies. You'd go in a later period to India to serve in the British
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imperial empire there. But what happened with many second sons is they would go to this particular
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part of the colonies they'd get a plantation and because they weren't going there with any
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community with any ideological drive like it was with the puritans with the puritans it was like
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silicon valley group houses just a lot less they had a goal their goal was the traditions of the
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nobility of europe yeah well it was basically to have my own estate it's just that i have to start
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fresh and so they had to buy their labor and that's why they bought the slaves they weren't
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it was about traditional status signaling without a religious framework really guiding it like
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the equivalent of serfs already living on their family grounds you know they kind of needed to
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figure that out it was some indentured servitude and they did some slavery yeah and if you look
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at maps here so if we look at single parents cancer deaths mobility disability rates vision
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disability rates cognitive disability rates difficult with independent living life expectancy
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obesity rate, health insurance availability, heart disease rates, stroke death rates,
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cancer deaths, diabetes, smoking, mental distress, household income, credit score,
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debt delinquency, distressed communities, upwards mobility, income inequality, food insecurity,
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workers making minimum wage or less, unemployment, incarceration rate, homicide rate, high school
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diploma, teenage birth rates, excessive drinking, adult mobility, social capital index, broadband
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internet religion and then we put that against slavery you see very high overlap now the first
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thing that people are going to say in response to this is they're going to be like okay well now
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show me a map of u.s black population by percentage right then it's like okay i'll give you that that
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is a heavy overlap and i'll put that map on screen here but there's been a lot of studies that have
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looked at the white population of these regions in isolation and they appear to have been economically
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massively underserved like they do like well worth less than white populations in other regions
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now of course part of that could be cavalier culture just doesn't lead to innovation doesn't
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lead to to the development of industry which is certainly part of that at the same rate as other
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american cultural groups but why why in in rome it didn't really develop why do you get these
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enormous lack of economic development during periods in which you have slaves and this is
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actually kind of surprising I mean like you have free labor right like presumably that should be
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like a huge advantage right to a region to not have to pay your labor force you you you don't
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see why that would be a big advantage Simone well I mean with when you just pay for your labor you
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don't have to house it you don't have to feed it you don't have to you know you just you just pay
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them and based on market forces you can you know raise or lower your penny that is that is true
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to a large extent and this is something that you have to think of like if we're looking at this
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completely divorced from morality or anything having slaves is kind of like having an expensive
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automated factory like you have to consider depreciation and upkeep and like replacing
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you know assets that have run through their lifetime etc and and to to me that that seems
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like a yeah so this is an interesting point that Simone makes here which is worth diving into a
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little bit now it is difficult from parsing history books to know what percent of northern
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factory workers lived worse lives than the average slave and what percent of slaves led worse lives
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than the average factory owner now you could say in absolute terms being technically free and we'll
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talk about how free these factory workers really were is always better than being enslaved and i'd
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be like that's just like objectively not true there are many instances where i would rather be
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a slave than like starving to death or something like that right like if i had to watch my children
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starve to death would i rather be a slave and see them sold off yeah any day of the week like i don't
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even know how you could like joke about that right and and so but it's hard to because there's so
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much bias from the the people who want to like do slavery apologetics to do slavery apologetics for
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the people who want to you know over dramatize how bad things were for northern factory workers
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which a lot of people love dramatizing that as well. But what can be said for sure is some
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factory workers had a life that almost any human would choose some slave lives over the lives of
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those factory workers. Well, and you just have to consider the incentives of the employer slash
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slaveholder. A slaveholder is probably not going to do things that they know are going to have very
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high mortality risks for you or like the risk of your arm being chopped off or something
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because they've paid for you up front you were you were a non-trivial up front cost or if you
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weren't like let's say you were born into their family or their estate you could be if in good
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condition sold for a good price this is not the same with an employee like if if they lose their
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arm oh i'm sorry we have to fire you i mean this is before labor regulations yeah this this was
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very frequent for northern factory workers yeah like there's a dozen more where you came from like
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i don't have to worry about fixing up my equipment to make it safer because there's a lot of people
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who want this job and many northern factory workers starved to death it was very regular
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for them to starve to death for their children to starve to death for there to be 12 applications
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for any position for children to be sent into the machinery because they were considered disposable
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and they could get into smaller places yeah like a cool hands children to be ground up and then
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later serve to people in food stuffings because you know they just don't care they didn't care
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about food regulations you know this stuff talk about in like the jungle and stuff like that
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like the the the the worst of the worst like okay i'm trying to think of it a a truly cruel
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grapey beady slave owner versus the worst of the worst of the northern factory barons
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selling children as food products i mean they're both equally abominations of humans like they're
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both i mean it's apples to oranges but they're both abominations of the highest i'm purely
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looking at the cold incentives here and i'm also looking at it like not just from the perspective
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of like what if i were a slave but also like what if i were just a heartless amoral plantation
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operation owner of some sort that wants like to produce units yeah i mean i think there's this is
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also why many of them favored indentured servitude because with indentured servitude you basically had
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free labor that you could conveniently we've talked about this before but in some of the early
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indentured servitude records we have in the american colonies only one in seven lived so
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people talk about like how easy indentured servitude and the reason it was so low was because
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of the economic incentive if they died you didn't have to pay them and so you basically were doing
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everything in your power to get them killed and there wasn't anyway there was no maybe paid for
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passage possibly but there was basically no upfront cost whereas there was with slaves so
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basically yeah you were like oh yeah yeah it was like buy now pay later when they just declare
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bankruptcy oh no i also want to note something when i talk about how bad some of the factories
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were in the north and how bad some of the plantations were in the south we also need to
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be very transparent about this is that many factories in the work were run by weirdo religious
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puritans and stuff like that who had ideas that were very utopian that they tried to make things
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good they tried to create like these perfect christian environments for their workers and
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often very strange utopian town setups and stuff like this that you can still visit today there
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were many plantations where people were you know christian and like really believed it and
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wanted to try to like they thought they were creating the best life they could for their
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slaves given their economic conditions but and i and i think that that's that's something that
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needs to be noted because we live in a society where those things always get ignored but they
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existed and they probably existed about at the same rates as the worst of the worst populations
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that you have because you know most humans just aren't that evil yeah yeah yeah and we are in
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in in this conversation talking about the like sociopathic edge cases genuinely horrible people
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and yeah i mean there's always going to be a couple in every generation uh as to why slavery
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does this it means that the wealthy in that society basically don't invest in innovation
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and so even if innovation exists like in rome we know of lots of like technical sketches
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of designs that could have been used to create the beginnings of an industrial revolution for like
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moving water uphill and stuff like this and like early engine type designs but there was just
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never a reason to experiment with this stuff if you had slaves right so why why try it why roll
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it out why expand on this stuff if you're not doing the labor yourself and this is why you had
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so much explosive innovation within the regions, specifically like the predominantly Protestant
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northern regions of the United States and in places like Scotland, where you have these
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more Calvinist groups that were very obsessed with doing everything themselves. And if you're
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a population that's obsessed with doing everything yourselves, then you innovate. And the video
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that really got me about why this causes such rapid cost reduction compared to outsourcing
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something to slaves is consider base capitalism, right? So you have factory workers and you are
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paying each factory worker for X many things that they produce, right? Like X many units. That's
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fundamentally what you care about as a capitalist, right? You take your cut and then you give them
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whatever you can, right? Well, now one factory worker finds a way to increase the production
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rate of the factory by let's say 20%. Now this is the economic equivalent to amortizing that 20%
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increase in that amount of product for that factory's life cycle. So if you had 130 people
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there, now that person has done the job of, or let's say 100 people to make the math easier for
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me, of 20 people over the course of an entire year, but amortized indefinitely into the future.
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And so you pay them a lot more because now you want them to do other types of innovations like
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that that increase efficiency and as soon as you get this giant economic motivation for efficiency
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increases which you don't have for slaves and within a culture that has that mindset then the
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people who become specialists at this have a good reason to really double down on what they were
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doing which is like what my family did historically we did a lot of development like i've told you for
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like oil and stuff like this is it's trying to make these processes more efficient and that leads
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to these giant jumps in efficiency and and you get jumped in efficiency that are so large that
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one person can do the work of you know 25 slaves and once you have one person being able to do the
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work of 25 slaves this slavery becomes economically unviable which is actually basically already
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happening at the end of the southern slavery period is that economics even if they hadn't
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had the civil war likely would have largely ended the practice within a couple generations
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now thoughts simone more broadly basically oh and the most interesting thing about all of this
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is even in the countries and cultures that don't care about slavery with ai there's basically no
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reason to have slaves at all anymore like as soon as we get ai humanoid robots they are generally
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going to be cheaper than slaves no sadly no you don't think so not with things like smex slavery
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no no i guess yeah some people want the real thing well it's yeah i mean for a lot of people
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it's about power for a lot of people there are a lot of places in which life is still very cheap
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in which they just sort of end up with people on their hands and it is you know fairly inexpensive
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for them to just you know buy and sell it and abuse it and dispose of it when they're done and
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it's tragic and horrible and i need to create a world in which that cannot happen and will never
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happen again it keeps me up at night but i i have no doubt that is going to continue in in the age
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of ai to to be like oh just get them a sex bot no that's not that's just not how it's going to work
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for some people that will work but i mean if it's a physical piece of machinery like merely the the
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material costs the upkeep the electricity the subscription service for the the ai to do it like
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are you kidding like some displaced young ladies way less expensive than that just just logistically
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speaking by by many orders of magnitude i don't think you understand just how like technically
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inexpensive human life is when you know where to get it and that is heartbreaking but true and
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that's not going to change yeah i'm sorry i'm trying to find a a counter example of this so
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I was looking up Dutch traitors, and at least none of the Dutch traitors associated with New
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Netherlands, it would have been another Protestant group, have any specific examples of sexual
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violence against Native Americans. So there was an incident in Taiwan I was able to find,
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which is the only incident apparently ever in human history of a large group of Protestants
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graping people. This was in 1652, the Wu-Laiwan Rebellion, where the Dutch East India Company
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asked for Taiwanese women to be handed over for sex.
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Also, side note, if you don't know your history,
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who was an English individual from the Church of England,
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except he mostly was trying to restrain his people,
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and the big complaint he had is that they were trading nails
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and parts of the ship for sexual access to women which is more like prostitution than slavery quite
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different than what the conquistadors were doing so this does appear to be a real and durable
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pattern of something totally unique to the catholic expeditionary forces right but there
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are many cultural groups that for hundreds of years seem to be very interested in exploiting
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the the bodies of vulnerable people that are both within their culture and not they just don't value
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human life basically the point of this episode is when you conquer a region do the good christian
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thing and eradicate the native population or you're going to have problems over the long term
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i'm joking this is a joke by the way for anybody who wants to like take this out of context or
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something that's a joke in fact the culture that i have lauded most in this episode would say
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what you should do is eradicate the weak and intermarry with the strong and that's the goal
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when conquering a territory well i mean that's fundamentally the law of humanity for the longest
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period you can say oh that's a horrible thing to do but if you do not do this in the future then
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you and your descendants will be weak and you will be conquered by the strong or at least in the end
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it comes down to strong culture and strong communities if you want to have a lasting impact
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in an area if you love your life and your people and your culture you you will find ways to spread
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it and flourish and do great things and if you don't you're gonna fizzle out you have to have
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something more than nihilism to have a lasting impact as a group and
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yeah can you believe that we when was the daring take that
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sex slavery is probably not a good thing civilizationally speaking
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yeah but the argument's slightly different than like it's a humanitarian crisis and it's against
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it's bad morality i'm not i'm not like it's a humanity i don't care about the humanitarian
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consequences i'm just saying for your own people it's not good which is interesting like even if
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you don't care about the humanitarian nature of it it's just a bad idea you're cucking yourself
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is what you're saying yeah you're cooking yourself yeah there you go god it's bleak
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all of this is bleak but i mean you're right i i want to focus more on the like this is more about
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not not so much about all these people who ultimately don't matter and didn't matter and
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won't matter because they choose this pathway they devalue human life like this they hate their own
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people enough like this to do such horrible things but rather just how wonderful it is that
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the people who ultimately win are the people who love who they are love their families love their
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communities love their cultures and just want to support it yeah also there's another interesting
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point to all of this which is that many catholics will say well most of the catholics today don't
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like listen to the rules of the religion, right? And they bemoan that. And there's this implication
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that this wasn't the case historically, that historically, most of the Catholics actually
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did follow the rules of their religion. And as we can see from these cases, from the Spanish
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colonizers, that wasn't true for huge swaths of Catholic territory. Many of the people, like it
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just wasn't as good at being top of mind as a cultural value set as something like puritanism
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was or the the the presbyterianism of the backwards people without doing any research or
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really understanding it very well from an outsider's perspective what seems to be the
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problem to me is when i think about conquistadors and early spanish missionaries they were not
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they were very different from a catholic spanish community i grew up taking field trips to for
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example californian spanish missions these these were these are monasteries or they were fortifications
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they were not spanish communities oh oh this explains it in part
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oh my god that they weren't replicating the entire civilization they were just sending out these
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reavers essentially that didn't even represent it so no no no no so the the most religiously
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called people in catholic culture even back then would have been wouldn't have been part of a
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conquistador group they would have been even if they were adventure-minded they would have been
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part of a missionary group they would have set up a missionary fort they wouldn't have been among
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the conquistadors to give them side eyes when they decided to grave captives. But in a Puritan
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expeditionary force, you would have among them some of the most religiously devout people.
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And often it was the most religiously devout people that were elevated to positions of command.
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So it would have been the person who, as a boy, felt particularly called to God in a Spanish
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catholic society of the time might have ended up as a as a missionary in one of these areas but
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they wouldn't have been doing the active combat they wouldn't have been doing the active you know
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going out and and attempting to conquer these territories whereas if you are a backwoods person
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or a puritan person and you are particularly called to religious callings you're you're
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dramatically more likely to be the local general for example or to be the the what would have been
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the equivalent of the actual lead conquistador, which makes it you religiously minded to keep
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your troops in line. So it's like, where do these cultures sort the people who have enough of an
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inner calling to impose cultural values? That's a factor. The argument I was making more is when
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you look at the migratory patterns of these different groups, the ones who lasted and the
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ones who didn't, the ones that lasted came over as families, including the Scots-Irish. They were
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all collectively kicked out clans were kicked out families were kicked out together and they lasted
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many many spanish came over as families and still great not to my knowledge not to my knowledge
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into the great alexander the great's men came as men no spanish i know spanish too and i'm saying
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and and the spanish came as men and the vikings no what you're not listening you're not listening
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we have many records of spanish who did bring their families okay i don't remember reading of
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any of them there's this is how this is why it's over 50 spanish dna if you're talking about most
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of latin america because they came over in huge numbers with their families if you for a good
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example of this just in case you're wondering like what this society looked like a really good
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movie you should watch is mask of zorro they want to destroy america give me the courage
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so delightful yeah so come on picture mask of zorro society so in mask of zorro society
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you had yeah there's the spanish elite okay you got a spanish elite okay so this spanish elite
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that had families still regularly graped natives in their populations this is well recorded even
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when they brought over their families even when they had their wives as another option
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we still have records of them graping native populations
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you can't just say it was because they were single now that's way post conquistador but sure
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yeah which you could say is that the conquistador period where they didn't often have their own
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women set a precedent that then was later carried out once they brought over their own families
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but that doesn't always work either because a lot of the puritan and backwood settlements
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they would often come over as just the men first and then bring over the women
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and they didn't set this up as a great culture yeah my like green movies are those
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did you different did you ever see like there was this one movie with like a about a spanish
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conquistador who's like blonde and like blue-eyed and crazed looking going deep into the jungle and
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am i like it really stuck with me it was very striking
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no no that's no no that was like my end times no this is like
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like small tribes in like the amazon region and this like blonde crazed looking man
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okay yeah i'll try to find it because you didn't see that that's like my anchoring thing of like
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what a conquistar is like and it's weird but i think it's also not inaccurate anyway yeah wow
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and i will use ai to try to find counterfactuals to this trend yeah please i am curious and this
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is where i found that one dutch example from taiwan uh that it's a counter example but other
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than that i was able to find nothing because i'm still leaning into what what is what is the force
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spreading is it a bunch of families who love each other and their culture and just want to go live
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it somewhere be them or they're being kicked out of somewhere i accidentally came to the right
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answer the core thing that leads to so much immorality within the catholic groups is they
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take the people who care the most about what the bible says the most about what their face says
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and the most about morality and cloister them from monasteries not not helpful the puritans
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in the backwoods took those people and often elevated them to positions of leadership of
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secular society yeah yeah they were not in operational roles sufficiently i mean
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to be fair though i would say that the the monks did have a lot of influence in
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and tried to get out there and do a lot of stuff or they did have influence they were
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constantly complaining that people were doing this stuff yeah so i don't know i don't know
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it's complicated i'm very very curious to see what people think of the comments so we'll see
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love you today i love you too steak tonight by the way wonderful
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there we go you'll need to adjust your camera a little bit and i know you're still trying to
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get your mic connected you know whatever whatever you're on your own with the comments today because
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it's all about mass effect like maybe it seemed to me at least when i checked in on comments
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three people commented on the broader subject matter of us versus them and the rest were all
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just mass effect comments and and references to your other video game references like this and
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that i can't i still can't hear you though i hope uh detailed and nerdy mass effect comments not
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just general one 100 yes were they very like well they're in this way and i saw a lot of them and
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they're just wrong like well yeah you just didn't know that you had to cure the genophage if you
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wanted to reach the like final optimal state and then other people like no that's not true you can
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play through blah blah blah now these things like well i didn't want to you have to think about you
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know in terms of the larger war you needed to have an ally to fight the something somethings and i'm
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like i don't the reapers simone yes the reapers i'm so sorry reality the a a species like people
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are just bad at math a warlike species like the krogan having a thousand children per year per
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woman that would mean a completed tfr of like around seven because they start breeding at 20
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of well over seven that 700 000 do you have any idea the compounding effects of a tfr of 700
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000 you keep in mind you know like in the us we have a tfr of 1.6 if you had a completed tfr of
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700 000 the entire universe would be wiped out we're talking like within two lifetimes you you
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are literally creating a threat dramatically larger than the reapers like there was a way
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to handle the reapers there is no way to handle a krogan fertility explosion other than another
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genophage but who's to know that'll work again right now that they found a way to cure it once
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one person pointed out that there you couldn't you could think of the genophage problem as a
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roko's basilisk problem where like well eventually they'll find a cure though and then they're going
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to punish whoever didn't help them find the cure no you could just eradicate them which is what
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they were doing to themselves like this the universe doesn't need the krogan they are a
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species that is mean to their own people right like the main reason they wanted to go back to
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this really high birth rate is it involved childhood rituals that had a really high death
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rate and so they called the ones who were born after it the the phage lucky as like an insult
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because they didn't have to go through this death trial and so you're re recreating even for the
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krogan in extremely brutal society like you are actively making things worse for the krogan as
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well by curing it people were like oh well the cured genophage wouldn't go back to the infertility
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infertility it would only be like half that and it's like okay so a tfr around 350 000 okay okay
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i'm just doing sketch math in my head 350 000 compounding year like generation over generation
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is it's still it's still not yeah you're not solving the problem with that it's true
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it's bad really really quickly there was no no sane person ever saves the krogan in any timeline
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no matter how much of a threat the reapers seemed like yeah
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i'm sorry to subject you to that nerdiness simone well no i i don't mind the nerdiness
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i just haven't played mass effect so it's just me and eric krieg in the comments being like well
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i don't get it but i'm sure this has been philosophically rich for you
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he like commented twice and they're just like i don't see the point and i'm like
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who doesn't see the point he's just not he i don't think he ever played video games i've
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never really played video games like oh well there is a big point to the the the point is
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that 96 percent of people chose this option because they had a program yeah we're talking
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about like the meta picture of like what's the point of of video games and i i do think that
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some and we were just talking last night about like we can't wait for our kids to start playing
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civ and the other sort of civilization oh well the point of video games is to masturbate specific
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instincts war instincts fighting instincts if you do not like as we've talked about with regular
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masturbation it dramatically reduces the rates of grape within a society and stuff like that
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if you remove video games from a society men do not regularly exercise these pathways that's going
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to change their day-to-day behavior the way they perceive reality the way they perceive the world
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and society is already becoming significantly less violent to the extent where i was shocked
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to learn like when our steven molleneuve debate that he'd never fought someone in his entire life
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like had a physical fight a lot about that that was interesting i was like that's bizarre right
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like but like that's got to do something to a male's brain to have never fought someone in
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their entire life anyway the cultural differences all right so i'll get into the episode
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20, 21, 22, 23. That's the point. 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30. Okay, Octavian, give me five seconds.
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One, two, three, four, five, now, bump it off your head, tight and wait.
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One, two, three, four, five, go, go, everyone can go now.
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I need one, I need one, I need one, I need one, I need one, I need one, here you go.