Based Camp - We Changed Our View On Multiculturalism： The Game Theory Problem

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today.

00:00:03.360 Today's conversation is going to be interesting because I have massively updated my own views on multiculturalism

00:00:11.860 and whether or not it is a strictly good thing and how it transforms society.

00:00:17.340 And in addition to that, we will be talking about, I was going to make a full episode on this topic before,

00:00:22.620 but after the channel got in some trouble, I can't.

00:00:24.900 But the fashionistas actually have a point, which is to say, what is the core difference? 0.99

00:00:30.920 See, some people will be like, oh, well, you know, fashionistas are different from typical leftists and that they are far right. 0.71

00:00:37.920 And I'm like, far right, how? They're like, well, they killed gay people. 0.99

00:00:41.380 I'm like, almost every communist state has killed gay people except for like, I think like three in one short period in the Soviet Union. 0.97

00:00:48.600 But generally speaking, they have been much more likely to kill gay people than capitalist governments have been.

00:00:54.060 And this is just true sort of history. It's like a very easy thing to check.

00:00:58.240 So, OK, that's not what really made them.

00:01:00.140 What really made them significantly different from a modern day socialist, right, is that they believed in ethno and cultural separation.

00:01:10.960 So they attempted to separate different, like, for example, the Italians and the Germans and the Japanese all clearly work together, right?

00:01:22.120 Like they it wasn't just like one of their groups. They all had their own weird ideologies and they were working together to see an end state.

00:01:29.000 Not not not so dissimilar to the way that, you know, an Islamist today might work together with somebody who is an LGBT advocate or something like that. 0.54

00:01:36.500 Right. Like their their end goals may be different, but they're willing to have a multicultural movement.

00:01:42.380 Right. What made them distinct from from something like the the Islamists working alongside the LGBTQ population is these two groups would say, well, we need to find a way to live together in the same communities in the same neighborhoods. 0.55

00:01:56.280 Whereas these other groups, you know, the traditional fashionistas from history, they said, well, you know, we might work with the Japanese, but we're not going to, like, import Japanese people into our cities and stuff like that. Right.

00:02:09.820 Um, what if we took species from all different planets in the universe and put them together on the same planet? Great TV, right? Asians, Jews and Hispanics all trying to live side by side on one planet. It's great. We put them all together on Earth and the whole universe tunes in to watch the fun. 0.84

00:02:26.320 Right. And I'm going to argue, and this has helped me really understand these ideologies and why some modern people have them today. And I will argue that they're fundamentally very flawed in the way that they have them today, but it is still a major update for me.

00:02:38.780 Okay.

00:02:40.280 So if you have a and this is a quote I've said a hundred times, it's like one of my core rules of politics. You cannot at and I got it from my grandfather who was a congressman. So yeah, I took it from him. I love it because I want to keep alive, you know, family tradition of intellectualism here.

00:02:54.820 You cannot have porous borders and generous social services at the same time. Because like osmosis, the people who want those social services the most, e.g. the people least likely to pay into the system, most likely to take out of the system, will differentially migrate into your country, eventually breaking the system.

00:03:15.980 Yeah.

00:03:16.140 Okay. So this is, this is sort of where we're starting here.

00:03:19.460 Well,

00:03:20.080 No one has pushed back on that.

00:03:21.800 Right. Right. But we're going to get to some more controversial things.

00:03:25.120 Yes.

00:03:25.400 We're going to get to some more controversial things.

00:03:26.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:27.100 And I think that's because people haven't thought this through to its logical conclusion, which has been laid bare by comments we received on a video about disability maxing.

00:03:34.900 This phenomenon whereby a bunch of people who aren't really disabled are claiming disabled status at universities, especially elite universities, to get more time on tests and a bunch of other privileges like solo dorms and housing, which a lot of people think is unfair because they're not actually disabled.

00:03:52.000 But this is a similar dynamic, but this is a similar dynamic, just thought through more to its conclusion.

00:03:55.880 Well, no, because you will get instances in which, because you have a common culture and a common group, you can have opportunities to exploit a system like this, but people won't use it, right?

00:04:09.640 This is what you have within culturally uniform, or I'd call it culturally homeostatic societies.

00:04:17.520 So you don't necessarily need them to be culturally uniform.

00:04:20.080 They can have a few cultural units, but you need to broadly have like, you know, maybe like four or three cultural units in a society max.

00:04:30.800 And it becomes harder the more cultures you have in a society because you can think of each culture like an individual.

00:04:36.040 I've talked about this in other recent videos, but I'm basically stitching together a bunch of individual thoughts I've had into a bigger thought, which is to say, if you look at why a country like South Africa is falling apart, and I'm using South Africa as an example here to point out that this is not a problem that is necessarily caused by immigration.

00:04:53.480 It is simply caused by having too many cultures under one governing body.

00:04:58.580 So you look at a country like South Africa, where you have strong cultural unity to different tribal groups or the Boers or the English or the, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?

00:05:06.400 Like a bunch of groups, right?

00:05:07.780 And often one group will attempt to control specific branches of governments or the wider government more broadly.

00:05:13.520 And various groups attempt to take money from the tax system for their own sorts of corruption.

00:05:20.480 Now, if you go historically to, let's go to a more monocultural society historically, like the Victorian Empire, right?

00:05:30.500 Within the Victorian Empire in the early days, because we're going to talk about how it changed and how you can accept multiple cultures into a society.

00:05:36.480 In the early days, if you were embezzling money from the Victorian government, or if you were acting in a way that benefited yourself but hurt other people in society, you were fundamentally hurting your own culture and moral constructs values, right?

00:05:56.940 Because your culture would be less likely to hold more sway on a world stage.

00:06:01.540 And this matters because the more sway your cultural group holds on a moral world stage, the more morality that looks like yours is held on the moral stage.

00:06:10.100 Also, I think because you identify more with that culture, you care more about what they think of you and you'll feel more shame for exploiting it.

00:06:19.620 Like, when they shame you for exploiting it, you will be cast out from a society that you care about, that you want to participate in, and that will make you sad.

00:06:30.100 As opposed to other instances where they're like, I don't care what you think about, I don't respect you at all.

00:06:34.780 Right. So now let's look at the situation in South Africa right now.

00:06:39.540 Okay.

00:06:40.140 In South Africa, it's very different.

00:06:41.960 If you can embezzle money from the government to benefit your own group, your own tribal group, or not only tribal groups, because obviously you have the Boers and English and all the other, you know, basically your own cultural group, right?

00:06:55.000 If you can embezzle money from the government, if you can cheat on a contract, if you can act nepotistically to benefit your own subgroup, that is just strictly a good.

00:07:07.180 When you even see this, and I think people forget with South Africa, this isn't just about like apartheid.

00:07:14.180 It's one of the bigger issues was that after all the reforms, allegedly, you had different tribes just trying to screw each other over because it was their group versus the other.

00:07:27.580 There wasn't some like monolith.

00:07:29.020 It was like, okay, well now like we, the non-white people who aren't like the white colonizers.

00:07:34.060 Well, I mean, and we saw this recently with Somalian immigrants literally voting a Jewish candidate to win over a Somalian candidate because he was from a rival tribal group.

00:07:43.980 And the Jewish candidate went around and got them all to organize against this individual being like, yeah, but he's from the other. 0.60

00:07:50.000 So the point is being it's a lot of-

00:07:51.060 It's a group you identify with and like the level on which you identify with your society is very predictive of how this is going to play out, right?

00:07:56.780 Right, right. And this is a problem for Europeans when they try to like restructure Africa in their image or it's like South Africa.

00:08:03.460 And so they were like, oh, look, you all, you know, hate the white man, right?

00:08:07.180 You all hate the, and so you should all be able to work together. 0.56

00:08:11.320 But if you like actually go and talk to them, they're like, we hate each other just as much.

00:08:16.020 If not even more.

00:08:17.620 Yeah, if not even more.

00:08:18.640 People's front of Judea again.

00:08:20.180 Yeah, so, okay, you get that problem now.

00:08:23.820 So how do you get then sort of homeostatic multicultural societies, right? 0.81

00:08:30.640 Well, I think that British Empire at its height exemplify homeostatic multicultural society. 1.00

00:08:36.960 Okay, I think so.

00:08:38.340 Which is to say that you integrate other cultures, but you integrate them with specific roles.

00:08:47.360 So everyone in that culture still suffers if they do not perform their role, you know, with fidelity and with integrity.

00:08:57.160 So the British Empire did this very well with groups like Indians, where they would put Indians into high position sort of bureaucratic roles, 1.00

00:09:05.400 especially when they were ruling over other ethnic groups within a region or something like that.

00:09:10.140 And it's a very effective way to roll things out, because if those Indians acted in a way that was counter to the larger British Empire's interests,

00:09:20.880 then they knew that the Empire itself would trust all Indians less and work with all Indians less, right? 0.94

00:09:26.700 So they are ultimately hurting their own group.

00:09:29.480 Which within our own society is interesting that it's seen as like a bad thing.

00:09:33.300 If you're like, well, you know, I am judging X cultural group based on my historic interactions with members of X cultural group, right?

00:09:42.740 Like I have built a pattern of predictive behavior off of those interactions.

00:09:47.320 And because of that pattern of predictive behavior, I expect X and Y from that group.

00:09:52.040 Well, that actually allowed for multiculturalism to work, ironically. 0.84

00:09:57.340 That, that form of what we today would call prejudice, what it allowed for was for there to be actual in-group consequences to raking with a cultural multicultural system.

00:10:11.280 Okay, great.

00:10:12.380 So, so we're there.

00:10:14.040 Now we're going to go to a, to where we are right now in history.

00:10:17.760 So if you look across a number of extremely high trust countries across Europe, for example, Canada would be another great example of a very high trust society that has led in an extremely high amount of immigrants.

00:10:31.720 And with falling for utility rates, they sort of need to, to maintain any sort of a relevance.

00:10:36.460 So I can understand why politicians feel the need to, but it's not really going to work out for them if the immigrants are taking more money than they're putting into the system. 0.97

00:10:42.440 But that's a whole other thing.

00:10:43.640 But I can see why they're thinking, oh, like we have to, right.

00:10:46.600 But you've also got the mandate of the urban monoculture, you know, more diversity, more diversity, more diversity, always better.

00:10:51.860 So you're like, if they were a chef, the more ingredients they put on your meal, the better that meal is.

00:10:56.200 Anyway, so they bring in a lot of people into their extremely high trust societies that had evolved alongside much more cultural homogeneity, historically speaking, and not a lot of outgroups living among them, right.

00:11:12.040 And when outgroups lived among them, well, we'll get to that in a second, because that was actually a very interesting side point that this helped me better understand.

00:11:20.360 Specifically, it helped me better understand why pogroms happened in the first place, e.g. the mass exploitation of, removal of Jewish people from medieval kingdoms.

00:11:31.280 Because it seemed weird to me that that would so frequently happen.

00:11:34.240 Expulsion.

00:11:35.480 Expulsion, yeah.

00:11:36.260 So we'll get to that in a second.

00:11:37.080 And it also opened up a blind spot for me, why I couldn't see why so many groups were so hostile to groups that specialized in being minority populations, historically.

00:11:49.840 But we'll get to that in just a second, too.

00:11:52.100 Okay.

00:11:53.260 So, to keep going here, you had these extremely high trust societies, and they begin to let in large amounts of people who had sort of the two things that are the most caustic to a high trust society.

00:12:06.500 One is extreme in-group preferences.

00:12:10.180 If your society evolved to not have to deal with outside groups that have in-group preferences, you're going to really struggle competing against those groups once they're in your country, right?

00:12:20.640 Sure, yeah.

00:12:21.720 And this is what you could say we're having with, like, Indian immigrants in the United States right now, right? 0.94

00:12:25.580 Is you do see a, like, verifiable in-group preference within Indians within hiring in tech jobs.

00:12:31.760 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:12:34.240 So, one, you have, if you are not acting with in-group preference, and another group is acting with in-group preference, but then the group that is acting with in-group preference...

00:12:43.100 Is going to take over, yeah.

00:12:44.540 ...dominating the decision-making positions of capacity, then ends up being able to, like, okay, so suppose you have a pool where you've got 35, we'll say 33%.

00:12:55.240 So, a third of the population has this in-group preference, two-thirds of the population don't.

00:12:59.220 And you are randomly hiring, and people with the in-group preference have a 50% higher probability of hiring somebody who's in their in-group, while people without the in-group preference have a 50-50 chance of hiring somebody.

00:13:13.620 Eventually, all of the senior positions, just statistically, end up being controlled by the population with the in-group preference.

00:13:19.800 Okay, so, great.

00:13:21.020 In-group preference is here.

00:13:22.280 So, this explains where you get one problem.

00:13:24.760 But then the other problem is, is if you're a high-trust society, and you're inviting in a lot of people who are from low-trust societies, because these people simply will not care about your rules or your ways of doing things, and they might even be operating off of a completely different cultural perspective.

00:13:41.980 A great example of this could be, there was a survey done that showed 46% of Muslims in the UK think that, you know, religious Muslim law should come before British law.

00:13:50.640 And I think it was 36% thought that the country should be run under Sharia law if they had things like, like if they had a controlling vote.

00:13:57.760 And you have multiple Muslim MPs, it's just their entire job is pushing a Muslim cultural objective, right? 0.77

00:14:04.960 I was saying, you know, we went to some neighborhoods we used to visit in London recently, and, you know, I felt like I had to, you know, go incognito to fit in.

00:14:14.900 But anyway, anyway, hold on, I'm getting there.

00:14:35.140 This actually isn't going to go entirely in the direction that most people think.

00:14:40.300 Now, the thing that made me blind to a lot of this, okay, because I think a lot of other people saw this, but struggled to articulate what was happening outside of, I just don't want this other population here. 0.97

00:14:56.500 It has nothing to do exactly with the nature of the quote-unquote other population.

00:15:02.340 It would be just as much of a problem if a large number of, you know, white Protestants moved to Korea and had a strong in-group preference in terms of hiring, right? 0.80

00:15:12.740 You, assuming the country itself didn't have its own biases, but they do have biases when you're there, but that's a whole different thing.

00:15:18.300 The point being is they focused, when they were looking at the things that were annoying them about, say, immigrant populations and stuff like this, they focused on the ways that those populations were different from themselves.

00:15:32.600 Instead of just pointing out, we built a society, because it has large social safety nets, that assumed high trust and no in-group preferences.

00:15:39.960 And now we're being out-competed or sort of screwed over because we are still raised with these viewpoints, and we struggle to break from them.

00:15:51.060 And then this is where it comes to, like, the whole thing where I realized I had a giant blind spot.

00:15:57.840 So my giant blind spot came from this.

00:16:01.360 I, as I've often mentioned before, as Raines did, like, a mix of the Puritan tradition and the greater Appalachian backwoods tradition, cultures that were descended from that.

00:16:09.180 And again, I keep saying, it really matters.

00:16:12.040 It really matters what group you were raised in, because for me, being raised in this tradition, and as I pointed out, you have things like, like, jack tales that basically show the morality that was taught to me as a kid, right, in the jack tales.

00:16:24.820 A good example, rather than just go over jack tales that, like, jack and the beanstalk is one derivation of, but there's many, is it's a person with low power using cunning to often, without provocation, screw over, rob, murder somebody with more power than them, who is intruding on their territory or otherwise thinks they're better than them.

00:16:47.540 And a great example of a cartoon that everyone is familiar with is Bugs Bunny.

00:16:52.960 So this was done by Tex Avery, who grew up right next to where I grew up, you know, setting cultural tradition.

00:16:58.640 This is what I was taught and grew up aspiring to be when it comes to, like, my hero architects.

00:17:07.180 I never thought about it, but Bugs Bunny really is an extension of the jack tales.

00:17:10.640 That's crazy.

00:17:12.100 Never put that together before.

00:17:13.540 Yes, if you, and this is why I think it's useful to look at something like Bugs Bunny, because if you grew up inundated in the culture of Bugs Bunny, if you didn't grow up in that culture, if you have no reference to that from your childhood, you would watch a Bugs Bunny cartoon, especially if you grew up in a culture with deontological, high deontological ethics and high trust, and you'd be like, that bunny is evil.

00:17:40.720 That bunny is, like, an actual demon.

00:17:43.840 Like, he often, unprovoked, just likes to ruin other people's lives. 0.90

00:17:50.160 He loves playing tricks on people every way that he wins.

00:17:53.120 It's always some, you know, cunning...

00:17:55.900 Well, to be fair, it's typically about Bugs Bunny outsmarting Elmer Fudd, who is a hunter who wants to kill him.

00:18:02.900 Well, Elmer Fudd, is there anything wrong with hunting rabbits?

00:18:05.740 Like, Elmer Fudd is not...

00:18:08.740 He doesn't want rabbits. He wants rabbits.

00:18:11.760 Elmer Fudd is doing what Elmer Fudd does.

00:18:14.460 And that's actually a really important thing about the morality that Bugs Bunny does.

00:18:18.600 My gosh, it's also a very ableist cartoon, isn't it?

00:18:22.060 In what way?

00:18:23.040 He has a speech impediment.

00:18:24.880 Elmer Fudd, true.

00:18:25.640 No, but the point of Elmer Fudd is, Elmer Fudd is not an evil because Elmer Fudd is a bad person.

00:18:33.080 Elmer Fudd is a human hunter hunting bunnies and ducks.

00:18:37.540 Very few people who grew up within the back...

00:18:40.840 Especially if you're growing up with...

00:18:41.880 He's not even hunting big game.

00:18:44.280 No, he's not even hunting big game.

00:18:45.680 He's not, like, hunting rodents and endangered species.

00:18:48.380 He's hunting literally, like, the two things you would care about hunting the absolute least.

00:18:53.900 Yeah, and the only step down from that is squirrels.

00:18:57.360 Especially if you're from a, like, rural Texas tradition, right?

00:19:00.320 Like, Elmer Fudd is not evil.

00:19:03.420 He is just a person with a different moral framework than Bugs Bunny

00:19:07.720 that has had the misfortune of having his world and his world framework

00:19:13.320 conflict with Bugs Bunny's world and Bugs Bunny's world.

00:19:17.380 And so when people see me do something, morally speaking,

00:19:21.040 like, using the system to my advantage.

00:19:24.360 And they're like, where is a kid?

00:19:26.400 Were you inundated with this moral perspective

00:19:28.780 that you should attempt to use the bureaucracy's pointless rules

00:19:32.380 to your advantage if you can? 0.67

00:19:36.660 Gotcha, you wabbits, do you?

00:19:43.080 Look, Doc, are you looking for trouble? 0.98

00:19:45.980 Well, I'm not a stewing wabbit. 0.69

00:19:49.180 I'm a Fwickesean wabbit. 0.92

00:19:51.700 Fwickesean wabbit.

00:19:53.120 Have you got a Fwickesean wabbit license?

00:19:56.880 Well, no.

00:19:58.800 So the thing about Elmer Fudd and this that makes it, I think, so clear

00:20:04.860 in terms of a cultural message is when people see me, you know,

00:20:09.860 like, I like playing these games and I have liked, it's been the way I have

00:20:13.680 associated with what it means to be a hero my entire life.

00:20:17.780 People will be like, oh, don't you hate, like,

00:20:19.780 constantly playing these games with the press where, you know, 0.99

00:20:22.860 you invite them over and you trick them into making themselves look foolish. 0.99

00:20:26.520 Oh gosh, it is kind of Bugs Bunny. 0.99

00:20:28.240 It's like, no, that's exactly the game I want to be playing, right?

00:20:33.300 Like, that's the Bugs Bunny game.

00:20:35.420 You take Ellen, this person who thinks that they're more sophisticated and more educated 0.99

00:20:39.700 and better than you and know the right way of doing things compared to you.

00:20:44.880 And they come in and you, nothing but a plug, like with Bugs Bunny,

00:20:49.360 always acts perfectly nice while he's F-ing the person over.

00:20:53.360 Just look at your fingernails. 0.98

00:20:56.280 My, I'll bet you monsters lead interesting lives.

00:20:59.700 I said to my girlfriend just the other day, gee, I'll bet monsters are interesting, I said.

00:21:04.740 The places you must go and the things you must see, my stars.

00:21:09.440 And I'll bet you meet a lot of interesting people, though.

00:21:12.740 I'm always interested in meeting interesting people.

00:21:16.220 Now let's dip our patties in the water. 0.65

00:21:20.060 Wow!

00:21:24.140 And I should note here, this is part of why it hits me so lightly when people are like, 0.81

00:21:28.400 oh, Malcolm, you know, you look effeminate or you look queer in videos and stuff like that. 0.99

00:21:33.420 The cultural heroes of masculinity that my culture teaches adopt that all the time 0.92

00:21:40.400 when they're F-ing people over if it can be useful in their larger goal.

00:21:45.480 In addition to that, and you'll notice at the end of both this and the Elmer Fudd's video,

00:21:49.620 is both of the victims are portrayed sympathetically.

00:21:53.520 Like, these are not people who are, you know, mean or cruel.

00:21:58.780 He doesn't actually have any particular malice.

00:22:03.180 And people can see this when I talk about groups that I have competition with,

00:22:07.040 which makes me sound very different from, I think, the many groups that take the deontological

00:22:13.040 high-trust view, right?

00:22:15.100 In their worldview, when someone's an enemy, you know, you hate them.

00:22:19.500 You know, when you're antagonistic to somebody, you hate them, right?

00:22:23.500 But from this cultural perspective, you never really hate anyone.

00:22:27.200 You're never really, they're just doing their thing because that's who they are.

00:22:31.460 The reporters are acting in the way that they are for the same reason Elmer Fudd hunts rabbits.

00:22:36.340 It's what he does, right?

00:22:38.240 So I don't even need to, like, question what I'm doing with them.

00:22:41.520 It's part of the game that is life and that is sort of the civilizational struggle.

00:22:46.280 Yeah, don't hate the players, hate the game.

00:22:48.200 And if you hate the game and you really hate it that much, then change the game.

00:22:51.780 Like, don't, you cannot change the players.

00:22:56.020 Like, in a system that incentivizes people to behave a certain way,

00:22:59.780 you cannot blame the people for being thusly incentivized.

00:23:06.060 Exactly.

00:23:07.320 And the reason why, well, and so there's two core points here.

00:23:12.400 The reason why the greater Appalachian region adapted this cultural perspective

00:23:16.860 was because they never really ruled any of their own regions.

00:23:22.300 There was always some other group that usually had more money than them,

00:23:27.140 more political control, and was always pushing them around, right?

00:23:30.540 Sure.

00:23:31.200 And so they would sometimes, like with the, what was that movement called?

00:23:34.800 The description group?

00:23:37.160 No, it was a counter-government movement in the United States

00:23:40.940 where they basically created an alternate law system and police system

00:23:44.400 that they ran in the greater Appalachian region.

00:23:47.920 Oh, really?

00:23:48.420 They just didn't trust the other governments to, the regulators.

00:23:52.060 The other governments to operate for them.

00:23:53.780 Maybe I've not heard of them, so maybe an episode on that is warranted.

00:23:57.860 Yeah, so when they do trust systems, it's like, okay, well, we'll build it ourselves,

00:24:02.100 you know, but they were the type of people who historically would use alcohol instead of currency.

00:24:06.600 It's like their main currency and stuff like that.

00:24:08.020 That was well-known for this region.

00:24:09.880 But the point being is they had a big reason to be distrustful

00:24:15.020 and to have these sorts of stories because if a tax man was coming into town,

00:24:18.900 he was coming in to screw you over, right?

00:24:21.500 If the government was coming into town, they were coming in to screw you over.

00:24:25.000 If some big muckety-muck, Richie Rich was coming into town,

00:24:27.900 they were coming in to screw you over, right?

00:24:29.800 And so there was a reason for that.

00:24:30.980 But because of this cultural perspective that I was raised with,

00:24:35.480 it has made me uniquely blind to the toil and strife of people who were raised

00:24:42.840 in high-trust cultural traditions, especially high-trust,

00:24:46.720 because you can have a deontological moral framework in a high-trust cultural tradition.

00:24:50.640 You really cannot have a deontological framework in a low-trust cultural tradition.

00:24:54.620 They just never go together.

00:24:55.820 And so in the same way, it didn't occur to me ever in my childhood to ask,

00:25:01.740 why is Bugs Bunny evil, right?

00:25:03.760 Like when people point out X group has come into our country and now they're screwing us over, 0.98

00:25:11.400 and my response was, well, but you let them in and you created the rule system in a way

00:25:17.000 that incentivized them screwing you over, right? 0.94

00:25:19.920 To me, I was like, that's always allowed.

00:25:22.800 Like nepotism is always allowed.

00:25:24.300 Of course, you know, you act in that way towards people who you know you have more values than

00:25:30.060 lying with, right?

00:25:31.060 Right.

00:25:31.880 And of course, it's because if you come from a clan-based culture, it's a gradient to nepotism.

00:25:36.780 You know, the highest degree of nepotism may be to people within my clan,

00:25:39.860 but then other clans that are like minds, we may, you know, ally for short periods of time or whatever, right?

00:25:44.640 Like that's the way I would see it, right?

00:25:46.200 Like, okay, are our interests aligned?

00:25:48.900 Well, this gets to me with other groups where people will say,

00:25:53.680 can you believe that the JOOs are doing X or Y?

00:25:58.840 And coming from this perspective, I was just like, I mean, of course, like they're playing, of course.

00:26:06.400 Yeah.

00:26:06.760 Like when somebody would say something like, can you believe that X JOO supports Israel over the United States?

00:26:17.180 And I was like, it's their religion.

00:26:19.520 It's their culture.

00:26:20.500 Like, of course, see, I support my own culture over the United States more broadly.

00:26:25.980 I support the United States, but yeah, of course I support my own cultural subgroup over the interest of like,

00:26:33.740 the idea that I would sublimate that to the United States is just a frankly baffling idea, right?

00:26:39.880 Like it...

00:26:40.980 Well, basically nobody does that, which I think is interesting on the progressive side,

00:26:46.460 as we've covered in that episode on sort of how different political alignments tend to identify,

00:26:52.760 especially white progressives tend to elevate anyone who's not them.

00:26:59.860 Basically, like the higher priorities are the furthest away groups.

00:27:04.280 Whereas with the conservative political alignments, there's more,

00:27:08.240 the highest focus is put on your most inner circle, like your family, and then sort of outward from there.

00:27:13.200 But like the heat map goes inward, whereas there's more internalized hatred of your own in-group among especially white progressives.

00:27:24.960 So yeah, I don't think there's like a middle ground where it's like, well, I don't prioritize my family.

00:27:31.900 I prioritize America.

00:27:33.500 Like it's never like a middle ring.

00:27:35.220 It's either like the outermost ring, like people in Gaza who would otherwise throw me off a roof, 1.00

00:27:41.420 or it's, you know, my family first, then my community, then, you know, outward from there, you know?

00:27:46.960 Yeah, yeah.

00:27:47.640 But Simone, I think you're blind to the point I'm making here.

00:27:51.760 Okay.

00:27:52.380 There are cultural groups that genuinely think that it's like the country first, right?

00:28:00.760 And they think this because, and I'm going to explain to you why, because if you understand, you know, our people's history,

00:28:09.160 it makes sense to you why that would seem so absurd to us on face value.

00:28:14.620 Also consider a group that is used to being a minority, because very few groups specialize in being a minority.

00:28:21.240 Two of the groups that do are the Romani or Gypsies and Jews.

00:28:25.380 Obviously, they fill very different niches as minorities.

00:28:27.720 But if you are used to being a minority population within a region and your culture, like, had evolutionary pressure,

00:28:34.800 because evolutionary pressure doesn't just act on our biology, it acts on our culture.

00:28:37.620 The cultures that reproduce themselves or resist the, you know, threats around them more are going to proliferate at higher rates.

00:28:46.720 So if you are a culture that is used to being a minority, historically speaking,

00:28:52.360 you're not going to trust random government rules or laws or anything like that.

00:28:57.180 You're going to follow them where it's convenient, but no, you may need to bugger out if need be.

00:29:03.600 And this both explains the, you know, Romani, because they take a perspective like this.

00:29:10.160 But to an extent, it helps explain to me something I hadn't understood at all before,

00:29:17.040 which is why you would have something like pogroms regularly, historically speaking, of Jewish people

00:29:23.180 who generally help a country economically.

00:29:25.960 And that is just that if you are going for this extremely uniform, high-trust cultural position,

00:29:35.400 a population like this is going to become a problem for you.

00:29:38.960 Also, this helps explain to me cultures I've always had a unique connection with.

00:29:42.600 Like, why would I, disproportionately, I've mentioned this in other videos,

00:29:47.840 historically I have disproportionately dated Jewish and Romani girls,

00:29:51.740 with specifically Romani girls finding me, like, intensely attractive in a way that I've always found very surprising. 0.99

00:29:59.100 But it makes sense when you consider, I was thinking of the Stephen Molyneux debate, right?

00:30:02.640 And if you look at him, he looks like this big, tough guy,

00:30:05.160 but he goes on in the debate about how he's never once gotten in a real fight.

00:30:08.660 And I remember I was baffled by this.

00:30:09.900 I was like, I used to get in fights all the time.

00:30:13.620 And I realized, oh, you know, you're an antagonistic to the government cultural group,

00:30:19.240 somebody who gets in fights all the time.

00:30:21.360 That might be the type of thing that appeals to this cultural subset of girl. 1.00

00:30:25.820 They might be like, oh, that's, that's what's hot to me.

00:30:29.620 And rather than the performative, yet unrealized, I guess I'd call it form of masculinity that Stephen Molyneux presents.

00:30:38.920 Now, suppose you're another group, suppose you're a very high trust group,

00:30:42.980 and you have been living in a region where really only people like you have lived historically.

00:30:49.680 People with your same high trust values.

00:30:52.180 You see this in, like, Sweden or Norway or something like this.

00:30:55.360 And anybody who acted outside of this high trust ecosystem or in any way tried to undermine it

00:31:01.000 would be severely punished by everyone else who was a member of this high trust ecosystem.

00:31:05.900 But your family has lived in an environment like this for hundreds of years, right?

00:31:12.560 So this cultural tradition has a long time to sort of enmesh with your family's culture.

00:31:17.360 And the, the reason this tradition worked and, and, and then for you as somebody who grew up like this,

00:31:24.500 when somebody was like, live for the state, like live for king and country or whatever, right?

00:31:30.780 Like it actually made sense to you for king and country was for other people like you.

00:31:36.140 You didn't have this tragedy of the commons issue, right?

00:31:39.260 Where if I don't take that, I've used this analogy before, but it's important to explain.

00:31:44.180 If you have a bunch of different cultures in a region, like say South Africa, and all of the cultures are sort of guarding a big pile of money, you could say.

00:31:51.620 And so you have that in one, one room where it's a bunch of different people from different families that all hate each other with their backs to each other, guarding a pile of money.

00:32:01.120 Right.

00:32:02.020 And then in another room, it's a one family, right?

00:32:06.420 Where they all have their backs to a pile of money and they're guarding that money.

00:32:08.960 Right.

00:32:09.320 Well, they're not going to, the family, you would expect them not to steal from that pile of money because this pile of money is functionally for like them and their descendants.

00:32:17.860 In the room where it's a bunch of people who hate each other with all their backs to each other, they functionally lose out for every dollar they don't grift because somebody else is going to grift that money.

00:32:28.040 Yeah.

00:32:28.440 Yeah.

00:32:28.960 Okay.

00:32:29.640 So you for centuries have benefited from, and the reason why high trust environments benefit from more deontological moral framings is because you, you basically, what, what a deontological moral framing is more largely is it's a set of rules and laws that you follow.

00:32:50.400 Not really because you think it's moral, but because you think if everybody follows a set of rules and laws like this, society more broadly will act more morally.

00:33:00.060 Like if we can get a society where everybody follows these rules, then overall society acts more morally, right?

00:33:07.520 Okay.

00:33:08.180 So it's, oh, this, this very much reminds me of really annoying university classes where they make you play the prisoner's dilemma.

00:33:17.120 And it's like, well, but if we all just agreed to, you know, not snitch, then we'll all, you know, have the best possible outcome, but then always someone snitches.

00:33:28.640 No, but Simone, the problem is, is you can all agree to not snitch if you're from a high trust environment.

00:33:33.540 Yeah.

00:33:34.000 Except that that at least university classes are for high trust.

00:33:37.440 Is it as soon as you introduce multiculturalism into a system and that multiculturalism comes with people from low trust environments or people who might have their own group's interest at heart over the interest of the collective.

00:33:51.980 Yeah.

00:33:52.560 Now, all of a sudden, this deontological framing is actively destructive.

00:33:57.300 Yeah.

00:33:57.520 Or I guess word it differently.

00:33:58.780 If people have interests that are not aligned with the interest of the collective, like if, if I do not benefit from, from the benefit of anyone else, it definitely makes sense to exploit the prisoner's dilemma.

00:34:12.660 So we're going to get into a few scenarios here.

00:34:14.940 So one is, I would say, even within deontological systems, it is always expected.

00:34:20.680 Deontological morality is always slave morality.

00:34:23.840 It is always the morality of the follower, never the ruler.

00:34:27.280 Not only, so I'll explain why I say this.

00:34:31.240 There's no king who has become king by, by playing by the rules and following.

00:34:38.820 Yeah.

00:34:39.140 No, no, no.

00:34:39.520 So I'll explain.

00:34:40.380 You, one, are less likely to achieve power if you act deontologically.

00:34:44.600 Yeah.

00:34:44.840 Because you're basically hampering yourself with a bunch of rules that are going to make you less likely to end up with a position of power.

00:34:49.080 Yeah.

00:34:49.280 But more than that, you cannot act as a leader morally if you follow deontological rules.

00:34:56.180 Because deontological rules are ultimately, when they're approached from an individualist level, like why you actually follow them, it's so you can maintain a certain self-framing.

00:35:06.420 I'll explain what I mean by this.

00:35:07.560 Because suppose a king is a deontologist.

00:35:11.600 Okay.

00:35:11.800 And he is at war with another country.

00:35:15.100 Okay.

00:35:15.340 And he now needs to explain to his troops why they're not setting up traps for the enemy, why they're not doing ambushes for the enemy, while they're dying at twice the rate, why X person's son had to die, why X person's husband had to die, why X person's father had to die.

00:35:34.280 And he's like, well, I did it so I could maintain my moral position, right?

00:35:41.080 By never ordering them to set up an ambush, by never ordering them to make a feint, by never ordering them, right?

00:35:48.060 And eventually, people are just going to be like, you are not acting morally.

00:35:53.360 In fact, you're acting in a way that is fundamentally morally selfish.

00:35:57.920 Because you're putting the cost of your own moral high ground on your subordinates.

00:36:03.580 And that's why leaders can never, if they're acting morally, be deontological in their perspective.

00:36:11.120 And this is understood by deontological people more broadly.

00:36:13.820 They expect, this is, we have an episode, an early episode on this, where we describe, like, knight logic and king logic, right?

00:36:20.740 And knights are deontological.

00:36:23.020 Knights follow the orders.

00:36:24.440 They do what they're told, right?

00:36:25.900 And you can be a just knight, right?

00:36:30.320 But you don't want the king who's going to give you an order that's going to lead you to die for nothing, right?

00:36:37.420 Like, the deontological framing works because you're working under a machine that's still, basically, deontological moral frameworks turn you into a component, a cog in a wider system.

00:36:48.480 Yeah, and you'll be okay as long as the machine protects you.

00:36:51.080 Well, as long as the person running the machine isn't deontological, because then they're just a cog themselves and they're not actually thinking, okay, how do I actually make this ecosystem work?

00:37:02.800 But, more broadly, you come from an environment where you don't have this, right? 0.98

00:37:07.280 And you look at this and you're like, that seems really stupid. 1.00

00:37:10.180 And it was so obvious to me from the beginning that all of this was really stupid and not going to work. 1.00

00:37:14.440 You know, like, oh, you can't do that. 0.99

00:37:16.160 You can't do that from where we are today.

00:37:17.480 That's, like, a weird utopian idea, like the Nick Fuentes plan or whatever, right?

00:37:21.640 I'm like, that's – how do you get to where you want to be from where – it makes, like, genuinely no sense to me, as well as his own personal life decisions, you know, not having a partner, not having kids, et cetera.

00:37:33.860 I'm like, why?

00:37:34.320 If your goal is a group was an ideology like yours winning, why do you tell your followers to not get wise because then they leave the group?

00:37:42.540 And it's like, oh, you're trying to change the Overton window within your lifetime, which you're having some success doing, but it's not your own group that's benefiting from this because your own group has an exceptionally low fertility rate.

00:37:53.940 And I don't just mean the Groypers, I mean American Catholics who aren't Latin immigrants more broadly.

00:37:59.040 They have one of the lowest fertility rates of any cultural religious system in the United States, but you can see our other videos on that.

00:38:05.180 The point being is it's not for him, right?

00:38:08.380 Like, from his perspective, if I follow all the rules of morality, my group is somehow going to win.

00:38:15.400 The problem is is you can understand why he thinks that if his ancestors generation after generation after generation grew up in an ecosystem where that was true, whereas our ancestors did not, right?

00:38:29.200 So, like, it just comes as obvious to us that this doesn't work.

00:38:32.480 Now, this is where the multiculturalism failing gets really interesting to me because I accept that you might be able to build a better society if you had cultural homogeneity or cultural homoestasis was in that society and you could build more social systems and you wouldn't have to deal with all these externalities. 0.98

00:38:50.800 The problem being is that society is impossible to recreate with the existing world framework.

00:39:00.980 And it's not impossible to create.

00:39:03.560 You can do it at the micro level, but it's impossible to create from the nation states that we have today.

00:39:08.060 Right.

00:39:08.460 Like, you could create it within a charter city and certainly you can create it on the family level and possibly within, like, a Catholic community or a gated community of any sort.

00:39:20.380 And there are many, like, absolutely there are many Orthodox Jewish communities that works this way.

00:39:26.960 Probably, like, certainly Catholic communities that exist in geographically constrained areas, Mormon communities, etc.

00:39:34.420 Yes.

00:39:35.020 Like, within any of these communities, you can do that.

00:39:37.500 You can say, yeah, we're going to.

00:39:39.720 Amish communities for sure, Mennonite communities.

00:39:42.260 Yeah.

00:39:42.760 Yeah.

00:39:43.200 Yeah.

00:39:43.440 You can make this work, right?

00:39:45.180 But you're typically working as a sub-faction within a wider government's ecosystem.

00:39:48.920 However, if you attempt to, and the reason I say it doesn't work, so suppose you achieved everything the furthest, most, like, W-nationalists wanted to achieve, right? 0.88

00:40:00.860 Okay.

00:40:01.320 And they got everybody who didn't look like them out of the country. 1.00

00:40:05.820 And they're like, okay, we have achieved a country that is only white people. 0.91

00:40:11.340 Oh, yeah.

00:40:12.040 Like, only white people or only Catholics or only Protestants.

00:40:16.520 Yeah.

00:40:16.660 You could probably do it if it was only, like, one subgroup of Catholics.

00:40:19.900 The broader point being is that even if you were like, okay, now we're only white people in the United States and we've gotten everyone else out of the country, which, to do, I'm not even talking about, like, the ethics of doing this. 0.51

00:40:32.500 The logistics of doing this are nonsensical.

00:40:35.280 It would be difficult.

00:40:37.200 It would be one of the greatest financial undertakings in human history. 0.90

00:40:41.620 But even if you accomplished doing this, right, which I would also say is a stupid thing to fight for because you're never going to win on this issue politically. 0.88

00:40:50.920 Like, it's just not going to happen, right? 0.91

00:40:52.860 Like, Trump winning is basically as close as you can get to this, and he's really trying pretty hard to just get out illegal immigrants. 0.83

00:41:03.280 And even then, it's, you know, merely stemming the tide of immigration, right?

00:41:08.580 Like, it's not functionally doing what you would hope. 0.98

00:41:11.820 So, one, I think it's a stupid thing to try for because it's not going to happen. 0.92

00:41:14.240 It's like a fantasy dream, right? 0.97

00:41:15.560 But even if it did happen, the point I'm making is that among the white Americans who have been in this country since the nation's founding, unlike groups like Nick Foyntis' groups, the Catholic groups, which I point out were not really that present in America at the founding of the country.

00:41:31.080 So, yeah, I've pointed this out a lot recently.

00:41:33.100 They made up around 2% of the population, only around 10% of the Catholic state of Maryland.

00:41:38.400 They could vote in only two of the colonies, which is less than half the number of colonies that the Jews could vote in.

00:41:46.220 So, the point being is, like, he's not even, like, an ancestral group to the United States, and he wants to turn the United States into his group.

00:41:52.520 But the point being is, I am an ancestral group to the United States.

00:41:55.680 And this ancestral group to the United States never was going to be able to work at scale mixed in because they were a low-trust group mixed in with other communities, right? 0.99

00:42:09.700 And yet, white Christians, right? 0.95

00:42:12.460 Like, this stuff was just intuitive to us to begin with.

00:42:15.800 Well, of course you try your best to win, whatever.

00:42:19.040 And I point out that this isn't, like, my group isn't some, like, weird deviant group.

00:42:25.340 I mean, okay, they were seen as weird and deviant by many Americans in history, but they're also core to Americana tradition.

00:42:32.880 Very few things are more core to Americana tradition than Bugs Bunny as an archetypal hero.

00:42:37.640 Fair.

00:42:38.240 Right?

00:42:38.520 Like, this is baked in to the soul of what America is, which initially was a multicultural system where the cultures self-segregated.

00:42:51.460 Like, the backwards people lived in their region, the Puritans lived in their region, the Quakers lived in their region, the Cavaliers lived in their region, the Western states lived in their region. 1.00

00:43:01.440 You know, you would have each region that would largely.

00:43:03.860 And if you wanted to, if you're like, I want to be more like, live the lifestyle, or I personally feel more like a Puritan, or I personally feel more like a Quaker, you would go move to that region, marry into that culture, and live that lifestyle, right? 0.55

00:43:16.600 Like, but the problem is, is that the way that jobs work within a place like the United States today, and the way travel works, whether it's the international highway system, much less planes, means we're all basically too jumbled up for the high trust deontological system to ever be reinstated in any meaningful context. 0.97

00:43:37.640 If it looked, and I will tell you that, if it looked like somebody was reinstating a system like this, what they were actually probably doing is creating a system that benefits their in-group, and subjugates everyone else by getting them to, like idiots, follow the rules. 0.97

00:43:52.640 Yeah, fair. 0.97

00:43:53.260 A great example of this could be the, and this is again why, like, when I see the Jewish candidate running for office against a Somalian candidate, and he goes to all the other Somalian groups, and gets them to hate that Somalian candidate because of like tribal fights that they had had with that group that he was from, I'm like, yay! 0.85

00:44:16.540 Like, what a cool, like, Bugs Bunny move, like, that's so subversive and neat, and like, you really played that system to your advantage, whereas another person might see that, and be like, hey, that's not fair, you can't do that, you know, and, and, but he's, when he's out there talking to them, he's not saying, you know, helped me, the Jew, like, run everything. 0.82

00:44:41.140 He's saying, don't you remember how much you hate these other guys?

00:44:45.920 In many ways, this is what, so when you, when you, when you have the, the thinkers and stuff like that come out to you, and give you that whole, don't you, don't, look at these other guys, you should be scared of them.

00:45:00.780 The, these, these groups can, they're, they're often playing to a real fear, like, these Somalian groups really did hate each other, like, they did have a reason to fear each other, they did screw each other over intergenerational, 0.73

00:45:11.500 certain immigrant populations may be an actual threat, but keep in mind that people can use this to manipulate you, and, and they often do, because the people who are using it, while, while being strictly morally adherent, are going to have a harder time rising through the ranks, because they have to be more nuanced in how they put things, because they have to be less, you know, so you've got all that, but then the second thing is, is, like, where do we go from here, right, like, where, where do I go from this, and I guess at the point that I'm making more broadly, 0.58

00:45:39.140 is I have moved to accept that multiculturalism genuinely did screw over a lot of high-trust societies that had sort of culturally evolved, you know,

00:45:51.640 vis-a-vis their neighbors, to, to be

00:45:54.920 deontological often, and to be, you know, like, oh, we're, we're going to treat everyone

00:45:59.960 fairly, we're going to treat everyone equally, we're going to accept everyone, which was easy to do, because they all

00:46:03.960 have the same values. And

00:46:06.160 you see this, and, and, and, and so I accept that that really did break things in a number of places,

00:46:14.200 like, I, I think that things were, like, pretty, great example is, like, Britain and Germany, like,

00:46:19.520 those are two places where I think things were really sort of broken by this, and they're not

00:46:22.760 really functioning right now, and people aren't really sure what to do next, right, like, it's, it's,

00:46:27.900 it's a very, like, touch-and-go thing, we'll get to this in other episodes, but the, I, I can say all of

00:46:34.320 this, and then still say to the person who walks out there and says, well, we need to go back into,

00:46:41.220 you know, a homogenous environment, and we need to, you know, go back to these, these rules, and 0.98

00:46:47.480 these deontological ethics, and everything like that, I would just, like, be like, but that's stupid 0.97

00:46:52.140 on so many fronts at this point. One, you don't have the political support to succeed with an 0.98

00:46:58.100 objective like that, as I've already said, like, even if it would work, even if you achieve this

00:47:02.800 miraculous societal shift, it probably won't achieve the outcome that you think it's going to

00:47:07.480 achieve, and finally, and most importantly, therefore, it makes no sense to pursue that

00:47:17.400 in the moment with your own actions. This has been where people have said stuff to me, like,

00:47:24.200 there was a side scroller, or somebody got mad to me, because I was like, oh, yeah, like,

00:47:27.160 if Disney makes a game or something that I don't like, I'm gonna pirate it, right, like,

00:47:30.860 and they're like, well, that's stealing, and I go, well, if I don't do that, then I'm giving my

00:47:35.220 money to Disney, and I know the things that Disney does with that money are evil from my

00:47:40.200 perspective, right, like, this is the difference between being a deontologist and a consequentialist,

00:47:43.620 and so I say, no, I won't give Disney my money, because that's, that's an evil thing to do,

00:47:48.500 right, like, that leads to evil things in society, right, like, whereas the deontologist is like,

00:47:53.140 no, I'll just play by the rules, and in a society where everyone is being a fair and good actor,

00:47:58.020 everyone playing by the rules works, but in a society where a company like Disney is captured

00:48:02.660 by bad actors, that's a really bad thing to do, right, so this is what I'm talking about,

00:48:08.980 where in terms of, like, everyday individual decisions that you are making as an individual

00:48:13.740 can cause, like, horrific things to happen, if you look at the things that Disney has done as a

00:48:17.740 company recently, like, they, they, they seem to believe that their goal is to sort of,

00:48:24.520 I almost want to say plow western civilization, like,

00:48:29.160 aerate it a bit, tear it up at the root. I was reading an article recently, I thought it was

00:48:33.840 really good, where it said Disney stories have moved from being around young people discovering

00:48:38.520 romance to young people discovering trauma. Well, and, and, and, like, specifically dealing with,

00:48:44.140 like, the trauma of, of their parents and being raised by their parents.

00:48:48.100 Yeah, the shame of their families. Yeah, and so what I've come to realize more

00:48:55.600 is in the same way that I struggled to understand why I should be complaining about some group having

00:49:03.180 in-group preferences or some group doing what they need to to out-compete other groups, you know,

00:49:08.300 other people, like, like, I saw that happening historically, and I was like, of course, like,

00:49:12.760 player knows game, like, you got, you did a great job, I could learn something from you.

00:49:20.400 Other groups, in the same way that I had trouble seeing things from their perspective,

00:49:25.180 probably equally have trouble seeing it from this perspective. And it's just because of how they were

00:49:30.300 raised and the heroes they were told about as a kid and everything like that. But the problem is,

00:49:35.240 from my perspective, is people can say, well, then why don't you have more compassion for those

00:49:40.480 groups and what they're going through? And I guess it's like the frog and the scorpion, right?

00:49:45.880 Like, I am still who I am. I can look at your groups and be like, objectively, it's sad. And I've

00:49:52.440 tried to, like, do videos to help groups like that, like, to try to help Catholic groups, where I'm

00:49:56.300 like, okay, your fertility rates are really low, here's what you can do here, here's what you can do

00:49:59.660 here. But at the end of the day, the, the, the, any group that can't adapt to the new

00:50:07.820 multicultural environment that we're in is going to die out. Any group that continues to try to be 1.00

00:50:13.480 high trust to outsiders, or in an environment in which outsiders are competing, like, say, a school

00:50:18.960 system where you can get extra time or not get extra time, which is what we were talking about

00:50:23.520 in the episode that, that made me realize this, is eventually going to die out. You're not just

00:50:28.180 going to die out. It is die out from a million pricks. It's not just the exam. It's Disney bleeding

00:50:34.400 you. It's other groups bleeding you. It's everyone. It's, it's, it's, yeah, you, you can't,

00:50:42.040 you need to take responsibility for your own protection and to, like, shake your fist at the

00:50:48.140 world and scream because other people are quote unquote cheating. When in reality, you are just not

00:50:55.980 recognizing the real rules of the real game and pretending that the game is some idealized lie

00:51:02.880 that everyone knows isn't true. That's just you honestly coping in the end. No, it is, it is

00:51:09.080 honestly cope. It's, it's playing Pokemon with no luck. Yeah. Okay. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's a

00:51:15.200 version. It's real weaponized incompetence, I would say. And it's not working. Like in the end,

00:51:20.260 you're, you're going to end up screwed. So just stop, stop. It's embarrassing. It's not just you. 0.77

00:51:24.120 It's you and your family and your tradition are going to end up wiped from the page of the few. Yeah.

00:51:27.840 And that's not fair to them. It's not fair to you. It's not fair to your legacy. Like stop and

00:51:32.540 start winning the game, please. Like we care about you too much for that. Is you had a cultural

00:51:39.820 strategy that worked in the old ecosystem and it doesn't work anymore. So stop. And it doesn't

00:51:45.800 work anymore. And there are invasive species and invasive species are going to like, right now they

00:51:51.580 are actively out competing you. And I, and I go, and I talk to you, the dodo bird, and I'm like,

00:51:56.240 you're, you're getting demolished here. Yeah. So the choice is, I'm just going to put them

00:52:00.660 more succinctly so we can wrap up. You can either become competitive or you can get wiped out. That's

00:52:05.720 it. I love you very much, Malcolm. Thank you for sharing this with us. Okay. I've been looking

00:52:12.540 forward to this one, Simone. So you read the comments. Obviously a lot of people probably

00:52:16.880 pissed at me being like, yeah, just cheat the system. Like, why wouldn't you?

00:52:20.960 Are you looking for trouble? I'm not a stew and wabbit. I'm a Fwickazian wabbit. 0.98

00:52:29.500 Fwickazian absolutely furious, not happy at all, even remotely. You're breaking the system. You can't 1.00

00:52:35.920 have, you know, mad, mad, angry, mad. You're yeah, this ruins everything. You're ruining good systems.

00:52:45.560 But here's the thing is, I think they just fail to understand that the systems that they're talking

00:52:52.900 about are already broken, meaning that the rules are inherently different. They're playing by the

00:52:58.940 rules of a theoretical system that, you know, those rules would work if the system worked,

00:53:07.160 but the system doesn't work. And you were, and the other cheaters are playing by the rules of the

00:53:12.620 system as it is. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's really stupid to play a game the way that,

00:53:17.580 like, it would work if it were designed differently when that's the way how it's designed. 0.98

00:53:24.420 Yeah.

00:53:25.560 And I, that's, that's what I find annoying. It's like, they're playing a version of,

00:53:29.800 of like, by, by certain poker rules when we're playing by other poker rules and

00:53:34.640 then they're getting mad because they're losing. And you understand that

00:53:40.800 that's not how it is.

00:53:45.320 These are like the actual rules. They're like, yeah, they're playing by a rule set that's

00:53:49.220 different by the rule set that everyone agreed upon at the beginning of the game.

00:53:52.340 I agree that it's unfair because what it's, it's kind of like, it's a game where,

00:53:59.600 oh, it's, it's like, they think we're playing hide and seek and we're really playing tag.

00:54:06.440 And so someone's sitting there with their eyes wide open going one, two, three. And they're like,

00:54:11.540 wait, why aren't you closing your eyes? You're supposed to close your eyes. So I can't hide if

00:54:14.660 you don't close your eyes. And they're like, yeah, we're playing hide and seek. And the problem is

00:54:18.780 that the system keeps saying, yes, we're playing hide and seek, go hide.

00:54:23.460 And then they see other people from other groups, not running and hiding. And their parents are

00:54:28.480 telling them it's hide and seek. And they're like, mom and dad told me it was hide and seek. And they

00:54:32.340 said that if I won while playing by hide and seek rules, I'm going to get an extra reward at the end

00:54:37.580 of all this. And the reality is, is that no, there is no extra reward for playing by hide and seek

00:54:42.600 rules. Yeah. Because it's tag. I love your analogies here, but I,

00:54:48.780 we'll get started. Yeah. Good. Or I actually, I'll pour myself a cup first.

00:54:53.920 Any other things you learned today or thought about today?

00:54:57.540 I, I actually chose to do my episode outlining on the new national security strategy. And I was

00:55:04.020 just thinking about how I wish that when I was in school, that in my classes, we talked about like,

00:55:10.500 oh, you know, the government released a new national security strategy. Let's talk about it instead of

00:55:14.920 like, let's discuss the basics of civics. And I'm like, oh, that's what we're going to do with

00:55:19.760 our kids. We can do that with Octavian today. I was thinking like, this is why I'm excited about

00:55:24.980 homeschooling our kids, assuming we don't crash and burn because I would, I would have remembered

00:55:32.180 so much more of what I was taught if it were couched in things that mattered. For example,

00:55:37.720 I would better remember the, the various like branches of government and how they function and

00:55:43.260 how they work differently, like the judicial versus legislative branches versus executive

00:55:47.760 branches. If they were couched in current events, which at least my school didn't do it that way.

00:55:53.720 Whereas right now, for example, as, as we're seeing play out in, in current news events,

00:55:58.540 we're seeing a really great way to explain the system. Like, well, the Trump administration's

00:56:04.640 trying to do this and the courts are trying to block it. And, and that lays bare the way that

00:56:09.540 the system is meant to function and how it may be poorly designed, which is a way more interesting

00:56:14.540 way to learn about it. So anyway, it made me excited about it. And that's something I've been

00:56:18.680 thinking about a lot today. Yeah. All right. I will get started here.

00:56:22.580 So we're doing chise here and then we've got smoky, delicious Burmese and 1.00

00:56:36.320 this. You sure you didn't eat the plastic? You're going to turn into a micro plastic. If you eat too

00:56:52.400 many plastics. Come on, that looks pretty good. Well, I mean, we'll see, right? Maybe some of that

00:57:13.120 honey sauce. I don't know. We'll see. What are you working on?

00:57:18.400 Hey, Octavian. Did you do okay in school today? Yeah. I was good. I lost a tooth. 0.97

00:57:30.780 You lost your tooth? Did you, did you get to keep it? He ate it. Oh. Yeah. Fine, by the way.

Based Camp - December 10, 2025

We Changed Our View On Multiculturalism： The Game Theory Problem

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