In this episode, Simone and I discuss multiculturalism and whether or not it is a good or bad thing. We discuss the history of multiculturalism, and how it can be applied to modern society. We also talk about disability maxing out at university and the benefits of open borders.
00:00:00.000Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today.
00:00:03.360Today's conversation is going to be interesting because I have massively updated my own views on multiculturalism
00:00:11.860and whether or not it is a strictly good thing and how it transforms society.
00:00:17.340And in addition to that, we will be talking about, I was going to make a full episode on this topic before,
00:00:22.620but after the channel got in some trouble, I can't.
00:00:24.900But the fashionistas actually have a point, which is to say, what is the core difference?
00:00:30.920See, some people will be like, oh, well, you know, fashionistas are different from typical leftists and that they are far right.
00:00:37.920And I'm like, far right, how? They're like, well, they killed gay people.
00:00:41.380I'm like, almost every communist state has killed gay people except for like, I think like three in one short period in the Soviet Union.
00:00:48.600But generally speaking, they have been much more likely to kill gay people than capitalist governments have been.
00:00:54.060And this is just true sort of history. It's like a very easy thing to check.
00:00:58.240So, OK, that's not what really made them.
00:01:00.140What really made them significantly different from a modern day socialist, right, is that they believed in ethno and cultural separation.
00:01:10.960So they attempted to separate different, like, for example, the Italians and the Germans and the Japanese all clearly work together, right?
00:01:22.120Like they it wasn't just like one of their groups. They all had their own weird ideologies and they were working together to see an end state.
00:01:29.000Not not not so dissimilar to the way that, you know, an Islamist today might work together with somebody who is an LGBT advocate or something like that.
00:01:36.500Right. Like their their end goals may be different, but they're willing to have a multicultural movement.
00:01:42.380Right. What made them distinct from from something like the the Islamists working alongside the LGBTQ population is these two groups would say, well, we need to find a way to live together in the same communities in the same neighborhoods.
00:01:56.280Whereas these other groups, you know, the traditional fashionistas from history, they said, well, you know, we might work with the Japanese, but we're not going to, like, import Japanese people into our cities and stuff like that. Right.
00:02:09.820Um, what if we took species from all different planets in the universe and put them together on the same planet? Great TV, right? Asians, Jews and Hispanics all trying to live side by side on one planet. It's great. We put them all together on Earth and the whole universe tunes in to watch the fun.
00:02:26.320Right. And I'm going to argue, and this has helped me really understand these ideologies and why some modern people have them today. And I will argue that they're fundamentally very flawed in the way that they have them today, but it is still a major update for me.
00:02:40.280So if you have a and this is a quote I've said a hundred times, it's like one of my core rules of politics. You cannot at and I got it from my grandfather who was a congressman. So yeah, I took it from him. I love it because I want to keep alive, you know, family tradition of intellectualism here.
00:02:54.820You cannot have porous borders and generous social services at the same time. Because like osmosis, the people who want those social services the most, e.g. the people least likely to pay into the system, most likely to take out of the system, will differentially migrate into your country, eventually breaking the system.
00:03:27.100And I think that's because people haven't thought this through to its logical conclusion, which has been laid bare by comments we received on a video about disability maxing.
00:03:34.900This phenomenon whereby a bunch of people who aren't really disabled are claiming disabled status at universities, especially elite universities, to get more time on tests and a bunch of other privileges like solo dorms and housing, which a lot of people think is unfair because they're not actually disabled.
00:03:52.000But this is a similar dynamic, but this is a similar dynamic, just thought through more to its conclusion.
00:03:55.880Well, no, because you will get instances in which, because you have a common culture and a common group, you can have opportunities to exploit a system like this, but people won't use it, right?
00:04:09.640This is what you have within culturally uniform, or I'd call it culturally homeostatic societies.
00:04:17.520So you don't necessarily need them to be culturally uniform.
00:04:20.080They can have a few cultural units, but you need to broadly have like, you know, maybe like four or three cultural units in a society max.
00:04:30.800And it becomes harder the more cultures you have in a society because you can think of each culture like an individual.
00:04:36.040I've talked about this in other recent videos, but I'm basically stitching together a bunch of individual thoughts I've had into a bigger thought, which is to say, if you look at why a country like South Africa is falling apart, and I'm using South Africa as an example here to point out that this is not a problem that is necessarily caused by immigration.
00:04:53.480It is simply caused by having too many cultures under one governing body.
00:04:58.580So you look at a country like South Africa, where you have strong cultural unity to different tribal groups or the Boers or the English or the, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?
00:05:07.780And often one group will attempt to control specific branches of governments or the wider government more broadly.
00:05:13.520And various groups attempt to take money from the tax system for their own sorts of corruption.
00:05:20.480Now, if you go historically to, let's go to a more monocultural society historically, like the Victorian Empire, right?
00:05:30.500Within the Victorian Empire in the early days, because we're going to talk about how it changed and how you can accept multiple cultures into a society.
00:05:36.480In the early days, if you were embezzling money from the Victorian government, or if you were acting in a way that benefited yourself but hurt other people in society, you were fundamentally hurting your own culture and moral constructs values, right?
00:05:56.940Because your culture would be less likely to hold more sway on a world stage.
00:06:01.540And this matters because the more sway your cultural group holds on a moral world stage, the more morality that looks like yours is held on the moral stage.
00:06:10.100Also, I think because you identify more with that culture, you care more about what they think of you and you'll feel more shame for exploiting it.
00:06:19.620Like, when they shame you for exploiting it, you will be cast out from a society that you care about, that you want to participate in, and that will make you sad.
00:06:30.100As opposed to other instances where they're like, I don't care what you think about, I don't respect you at all.
00:06:34.780Right. So now let's look at the situation in South Africa right now.
00:06:41.960If you can embezzle money from the government to benefit your own group, your own tribal group, or not only tribal groups, because obviously you have the Boers and English and all the other, you know, basically your own cultural group, right?
00:06:55.000If you can embezzle money from the government, if you can cheat on a contract, if you can act nepotistically to benefit your own subgroup, that is just strictly a good.
00:07:07.180When you even see this, and I think people forget with South Africa, this isn't just about like apartheid.
00:07:14.180It's one of the bigger issues was that after all the reforms, allegedly, you had different tribes just trying to screw each other over because it was their group versus the other.
00:07:29.020It was like, okay, well now like we, the non-white people who aren't like the white colonizers.
00:07:34.060Well, I mean, and we saw this recently with Somalian immigrants literally voting a Jewish candidate to win over a Somalian candidate because he was from a rival tribal group.
00:07:43.980And the Jewish candidate went around and got them all to organize against this individual being like, yeah, but he's from the other.
00:07:51.060It's a group you identify with and like the level on which you identify with your society is very predictive of how this is going to play out, right?
00:07:56.780Right, right. And this is a problem for Europeans when they try to like restructure Africa in their image or it's like South Africa.
00:08:03.460And so they were like, oh, look, you all, you know, hate the white man, right?
00:08:07.180You all hate the, and so you should all be able to work together.
00:08:11.320But if you like actually go and talk to them, they're like, we hate each other just as much.
00:08:38.340Which is to say that you integrate other cultures, but you integrate them with specific roles.
00:08:47.360So everyone in that culture still suffers if they do not perform their role, you know, with fidelity and with integrity.
00:08:57.160So the British Empire did this very well with groups like Indians, where they would put Indians into high position sort of bureaucratic roles,
00:09:05.400especially when they were ruling over other ethnic groups within a region or something like that.
00:09:10.140And it's a very effective way to roll things out, because if those Indians acted in a way that was counter to the larger British Empire's interests,
00:09:20.880then they knew that the Empire itself would trust all Indians less and work with all Indians less, right?
00:09:26.700So they are ultimately hurting their own group.
00:09:29.480Which within our own society is interesting that it's seen as like a bad thing.
00:09:33.300If you're like, well, you know, I am judging X cultural group based on my historic interactions with members of X cultural group, right?
00:09:42.740Like I have built a pattern of predictive behavior off of those interactions.
00:09:47.320And because of that pattern of predictive behavior, I expect X and Y from that group.
00:09:52.040Well, that actually allowed for multiculturalism to work, ironically.
00:09:57.340That, that form of what we today would call prejudice, what it allowed for was for there to be actual in-group consequences to raking with a cultural multicultural system.
00:10:14.040Now we're going to go to a, to where we are right now in history.
00:10:17.760So if you look across a number of extremely high trust countries across Europe, for example, Canada would be another great example of a very high trust society that has led in an extremely high amount of immigrants.
00:10:31.720And with falling for utility rates, they sort of need to, to maintain any sort of a relevance.
00:10:36.460So I can understand why politicians feel the need to, but it's not really going to work out for them if the immigrants are taking more money than they're putting into the system.
00:10:43.640But I can see why they're thinking, oh, like we have to, right.
00:10:46.600But you've also got the mandate of the urban monoculture, you know, more diversity, more diversity, more diversity, always better.
00:10:51.860So you're like, if they were a chef, the more ingredients they put on your meal, the better that meal is.
00:10:56.200Anyway, so they bring in a lot of people into their extremely high trust societies that had evolved alongside much more cultural homogeneity, historically speaking, and not a lot of outgroups living among them, right.
00:11:12.040And when outgroups lived among them, well, we'll get to that in a second, because that was actually a very interesting side point that this helped me better understand.
00:11:20.360Specifically, it helped me better understand why pogroms happened in the first place, e.g. the mass exploitation of, removal of Jewish people from medieval kingdoms.
00:11:31.280Because it seemed weird to me that that would so frequently happen.
00:11:37.080And it also opened up a blind spot for me, why I couldn't see why so many groups were so hostile to groups that specialized in being minority populations, historically.
00:11:49.840But we'll get to that in just a second, too.
00:11:53.260So, to keep going here, you had these extremely high trust societies, and they begin to let in large amounts of people who had sort of the two things that are the most caustic to a high trust society.
00:12:10.180If your society evolved to not have to deal with outside groups that have in-group preferences, you're going to really struggle competing against those groups once they're in your country, right?
00:12:34.240So, one, you have, if you are not acting with in-group preference, and another group is acting with in-group preference, but then the group that is acting with in-group preference...
00:12:44.540...dominating the decision-making positions of capacity, then ends up being able to, like, okay, so suppose you have a pool where you've got 35, we'll say 33%.
00:12:55.240So, a third of the population has this in-group preference, two-thirds of the population don't.
00:12:59.220And you are randomly hiring, and people with the in-group preference have a 50% higher probability of hiring somebody who's in their in-group, while people without the in-group preference have a 50-50 chance of hiring somebody.
00:13:13.620Eventually, all of the senior positions, just statistically, end up being controlled by the population with the in-group preference.
00:13:22.280So, this explains where you get one problem.
00:13:24.760But then the other problem is, is if you're a high-trust society, and you're inviting in a lot of people who are from low-trust societies, because these people simply will not care about your rules or your ways of doing things, and they might even be operating off of a completely different cultural perspective.
00:13:41.980A great example of this could be, there was a survey done that showed 46% of Muslims in the UK think that, you know, religious Muslim law should come before British law.
00:13:50.640And I think it was 36% thought that the country should be run under Sharia law if they had things like, like if they had a controlling vote.
00:13:57.760And you have multiple Muslim MPs, it's just their entire job is pushing a Muslim cultural objective, right?
00:14:04.960I was saying, you know, we went to some neighborhoods we used to visit in London recently, and, you know, I felt like I had to, you know, go incognito to fit in.
00:14:14.900But anyway, anyway, hold on, I'm getting there.
00:14:35.140This actually isn't going to go entirely in the direction that most people think.
00:14:40.300Now, the thing that made me blind to a lot of this, okay, because I think a lot of other people saw this, but struggled to articulate what was happening outside of, I just don't want this other population here.
00:14:56.500It has nothing to do exactly with the nature of the quote-unquote other population.
00:15:02.340It would be just as much of a problem if a large number of, you know, white Protestants moved to Korea and had a strong in-group preference in terms of hiring, right?
00:15:12.740You, assuming the country itself didn't have its own biases, but they do have biases when you're there, but that's a whole different thing.
00:15:18.300The point being is they focused, when they were looking at the things that were annoying them about, say, immigrant populations and stuff like this, they focused on the ways that those populations were different from themselves.
00:15:32.600Instead of just pointing out, we built a society, because it has large social safety nets, that assumed high trust and no in-group preferences.
00:15:39.960And now we're being out-competed or sort of screwed over because we are still raised with these viewpoints, and we struggle to break from them.
00:15:51.060And then this is where it comes to, like, the whole thing where I realized I had a giant blind spot.
00:15:57.840So my giant blind spot came from this.
00:16:01.360I, as I've often mentioned before, as Raines did, like, a mix of the Puritan tradition and the greater Appalachian backwoods tradition, cultures that were descended from that.
00:16:09.180And again, I keep saying, it really matters.
00:16:12.040It really matters what group you were raised in, because for me, being raised in this tradition, and as I pointed out, you have things like, like, jack tales that basically show the morality that was taught to me as a kid, right, in the jack tales.
00:16:24.820A good example, rather than just go over jack tales that, like, jack and the beanstalk is one derivation of, but there's many, is it's a person with low power using cunning to often, without provocation, screw over, rob, murder somebody with more power than them, who is intruding on their territory or otherwise thinks they're better than them.
00:16:47.540And a great example of a cartoon that everyone is familiar with is Bugs Bunny.
00:16:52.960So this was done by Tex Avery, who grew up right next to where I grew up, you know, setting cultural tradition.
00:16:58.640This is what I was taught and grew up aspiring to be when it comes to, like, my hero architects.
00:17:07.180I never thought about it, but Bugs Bunny really is an extension of the jack tales.
00:17:13.540Yes, if you, and this is why I think it's useful to look at something like Bugs Bunny, because if you grew up inundated in the culture of Bugs Bunny, if you didn't grow up in that culture, if you have no reference to that from your childhood, you would watch a Bugs Bunny cartoon, especially if you grew up in a culture with deontological, high deontological ethics and high trust, and you'd be like, that bunny is evil.
00:30:09.900I was like, I used to get in fights all the time.
00:30:13.620And I realized, oh, you know, you're an antagonistic to the government cultural group,
00:30:19.240somebody who gets in fights all the time.
00:30:21.360That might be the type of thing that appeals to this cultural subset of girl.
00:30:25.820They might be like, oh, that's, that's what's hot to me.
00:30:29.620And rather than the performative, yet unrealized, I guess I'd call it form of masculinity that Stephen Molyneux presents.
00:30:38.920Now, suppose you're another group, suppose you're a very high trust group,
00:30:42.980and you have been living in a region where really only people like you have lived historically.
00:30:49.680People with your same high trust values.
00:30:52.180You see this in, like, Sweden or Norway or something like this.
00:30:55.360And anybody who acted outside of this high trust ecosystem or in any way tried to undermine it
00:31:01.000would be severely punished by everyone else who was a member of this high trust ecosystem.
00:31:05.900But your family has lived in an environment like this for hundreds of years, right?
00:31:12.560So this cultural tradition has a long time to sort of enmesh with your family's culture.
00:31:17.360And the, the reason this tradition worked and, and, and then for you as somebody who grew up like this,
00:31:24.500when somebody was like, live for the state, like live for king and country or whatever, right?
00:31:30.780Like it actually made sense to you for king and country was for other people like you.
00:31:36.140You didn't have this tragedy of the commons issue, right?
00:31:39.260Where if I don't take that, I've used this analogy before, but it's important to explain.
00:31:44.180If you have a bunch of different cultures in a region, like say South Africa, and all of the cultures are sort of guarding a big pile of money, you could say.
00:31:51.620And so you have that in one, one room where it's a bunch of different people from different families that all hate each other with their backs to each other, guarding a pile of money.
00:32:09.320Well, they're not going to, the family, you would expect them not to steal from that pile of money because this pile of money is functionally for like them and their descendants.
00:32:17.860In the room where it's a bunch of people who hate each other with all their backs to each other, they functionally lose out for every dollar they don't grift because somebody else is going to grift that money.
00:32:29.640So you for centuries have benefited from, and the reason why high trust environments benefit from more deontological moral framings is because you, you basically, what, what a deontological moral framing is more largely is it's a set of rules and laws that you follow.
00:32:50.400Not really because you think it's moral, but because you think if everybody follows a set of rules and laws like this, society more broadly will act more morally.
00:33:00.060Like if we can get a society where everybody follows these rules, then overall society acts more morally, right?
00:33:08.180So it's, oh, this, this very much reminds me of really annoying university classes where they make you play the prisoner's dilemma.
00:33:17.120And it's like, well, but if we all just agreed to, you know, not snitch, then we'll all, you know, have the best possible outcome, but then always someone snitches.
00:33:28.640No, but Simone, the problem is, is you can all agree to not snitch if you're from a high trust environment.
00:33:34.000Except that that at least university classes are for high trust.
00:33:37.440Is it as soon as you introduce multiculturalism into a system and that multiculturalism comes with people from low trust environments or people who might have their own group's interest at heart over the interest of the collective.
00:33:58.780If people have interests that are not aligned with the interest of the collective, like if, if I do not benefit from, from the benefit of anyone else, it definitely makes sense to exploit the prisoner's dilemma.
00:34:12.660So we're going to get into a few scenarios here.
00:34:14.940So one is, I would say, even within deontological systems, it is always expected.
00:34:20.680Deontological morality is always slave morality.
00:34:23.840It is always the morality of the follower, never the ruler.
00:34:27.280Not only, so I'll explain why I say this.
00:34:31.240There's no king who has become king by, by playing by the rules and following.
00:34:44.840Because you're basically hampering yourself with a bunch of rules that are going to make you less likely to end up with a position of power.
00:34:49.280But more than that, you cannot act as a leader morally if you follow deontological rules.
00:34:56.180Because deontological rules are ultimately, when they're approached from an individualist level, like why you actually follow them, it's so you can maintain a certain self-framing.
00:35:15.340And he now needs to explain to his troops why they're not setting up traps for the enemy, why they're not doing ambushes for the enemy, while they're dying at twice the rate, why X person's son had to die, why X person's husband had to die, why X person's father had to die.
00:35:34.280And he's like, well, I did it so I could maintain my moral position, right?
00:35:41.080By never ordering them to set up an ambush, by never ordering them to make a feint, by never ordering them, right?
00:35:48.060And eventually, people are just going to be like, you are not acting morally.
00:35:53.360In fact, you're acting in a way that is fundamentally morally selfish.
00:35:57.920Because you're putting the cost of your own moral high ground on your subordinates.
00:36:03.580And that's why leaders can never, if they're acting morally, be deontological in their perspective.
00:36:11.120And this is understood by deontological people more broadly.
00:36:13.820They expect, this is, we have an episode, an early episode on this, where we describe, like, knight logic and king logic, right?
00:36:30.320But you don't want the king who's going to give you an order that's going to lead you to die for nothing, right?
00:36:37.420Like, the deontological framing works because you're working under a machine that's still, basically, deontological moral frameworks turn you into a component, a cog in a wider system.
00:36:48.480Yeah, and you'll be okay as long as the machine protects you.
00:36:51.080Well, as long as the person running the machine isn't deontological, because then they're just a cog themselves and they're not actually thinking, okay, how do I actually make this ecosystem work?
00:37:02.800But, more broadly, you come from an environment where you don't have this, right?
00:37:07.280And you look at this and you're like, that seems really stupid.
00:37:10.180And it was so obvious to me from the beginning that all of this was really stupid and not going to work.
00:37:14.440You know, like, oh, you can't do that.
00:37:16.160You can't do that from where we are today.
00:37:17.480That's, like, a weird utopian idea, like the Nick Fuentes plan or whatever, right?
00:37:21.640I'm like, that's – how do you get to where you want to be from where – it makes, like, genuinely no sense to me, as well as his own personal life decisions, you know, not having a partner, not having kids, et cetera.
00:37:34.320If your goal is a group was an ideology like yours winning, why do you tell your followers to not get wise because then they leave the group?
00:37:42.540And it's like, oh, you're trying to change the Overton window within your lifetime, which you're having some success doing, but it's not your own group that's benefiting from this because your own group has an exceptionally low fertility rate.
00:37:53.940And I don't just mean the Groypers, I mean American Catholics who aren't Latin immigrants more broadly.
00:37:59.040They have one of the lowest fertility rates of any cultural religious system in the United States, but you can see our other videos on that.
00:38:05.180The point being is it's not for him, right?
00:38:08.380Like, from his perspective, if I follow all the rules of morality, my group is somehow going to win.
00:38:15.400The problem is is you can understand why he thinks that if his ancestors generation after generation after generation grew up in an ecosystem where that was true, whereas our ancestors did not, right?
00:38:29.200So, like, it just comes as obvious to us that this doesn't work.
00:38:32.480Now, this is where the multiculturalism failing gets really interesting to me because I accept that you might be able to build a better society if you had cultural homogeneity or cultural homoestasis was in that society and you could build more social systems and you wouldn't have to deal with all these externalities.
00:38:50.800The problem being is that society is impossible to recreate with the existing world framework.
00:39:08.460Like, you could create it within a charter city and certainly you can create it on the family level and possibly within, like, a Catholic community or a gated community of any sort.
00:39:20.380And there are many, like, absolutely there are many Orthodox Jewish communities that works this way.
00:39:26.960Probably, like, certainly Catholic communities that exist in geographically constrained areas, Mormon communities, etc.
00:39:45.180But you're typically working as a sub-faction within a wider government's ecosystem.
00:39:48.920However, if you attempt to, and the reason I say it doesn't work, so suppose you achieved everything the furthest, most, like, W-nationalists wanted to achieve, right?
00:40:16.660You could probably do it if it was only, like, one subgroup of Catholics.
00:40:19.900The broader point being is that even if you were like, okay, now we're only white people in the United States and we've gotten everyone else out of the country, which, to do, I'm not even talking about, like, the ethics of doing this.
00:40:32.500The logistics of doing this are nonsensical.
00:40:37.200It would be one of the greatest financial undertakings in human history.
00:40:41.620But even if you accomplished doing this, right, which I would also say is a stupid thing to fight for because you're never going to win on this issue politically.
00:40:50.920Like, it's just not going to happen, right?
00:40:52.860Like, Trump winning is basically as close as you can get to this, and he's really trying pretty hard to just get out illegal immigrants.
00:41:03.280And even then, it's, you know, merely stemming the tide of immigration, right?
00:41:08.580Like, it's not functionally doing what you would hope.
00:41:11.820So, one, I think it's a stupid thing to try for because it's not going to happen.
00:41:15.560But even if it did happen, the point I'm making is that among the white Americans who have been in this country since the nation's founding, unlike groups like Nick Foyntis' groups, the Catholic groups, which I point out were not really that present in America at the founding of the country.
00:41:31.080So, yeah, I've pointed this out a lot recently.
00:41:33.100They made up around 2% of the population, only around 10% of the Catholic state of Maryland.
00:41:38.400They could vote in only two of the colonies, which is less than half the number of colonies that the Jews could vote in.
00:41:46.220So, the point being is, like, he's not even, like, an ancestral group to the United States, and he wants to turn the United States into his group.
00:41:52.520But the point being is, I am an ancestral group to the United States.
00:41:55.680And this ancestral group to the United States never was going to be able to work at scale mixed in because they were a low-trust group mixed in with other communities, right?
00:42:38.520Like, this is baked in to the soul of what America is, which initially was a multicultural system where the cultures self-segregated.
00:42:51.460Like, the backwards people lived in their region, the Puritans lived in their region, the Quakers lived in their region, the Cavaliers lived in their region, the Western states lived in their region.
00:43:01.440You know, you would have each region that would largely.
00:43:03.860And if you wanted to, if you're like, I want to be more like, live the lifestyle, or I personally feel more like a Puritan, or I personally feel more like a Quaker, you would go move to that region, marry into that culture, and live that lifestyle, right?
00:43:16.600Like, but the problem is, is that the way that jobs work within a place like the United States today, and the way travel works, whether it's the international highway system, much less planes, means we're all basically too jumbled up for the high trust deontological system to ever be reinstated in any meaningful context.
00:43:37.640If it looked, and I will tell you that, if it looked like somebody was reinstating a system like this, what they were actually probably doing is creating a system that benefits their in-group, and subjugates everyone else by getting them to, like idiots, follow the rules.
00:43:53.260A great example of this could be the, and this is again why, like, when I see the Jewish candidate running for office against a Somalian candidate, and he goes to all the other Somalian groups, and gets them to hate that Somalian candidate because of like tribal fights that they had had with that group that he was from, I'm like, yay!
00:44:16.540Like, what a cool, like, Bugs Bunny move, like, that's so subversive and neat, and like, you really played that system to your advantage, whereas another person might see that, and be like, hey, that's not fair, you can't do that, you know, and, and, but he's, when he's out there talking to them, he's not saying, you know, helped me, the Jew, like, run everything.
00:44:41.140He's saying, don't you remember how much you hate these other guys?
00:44:45.920In many ways, this is what, so when you, when you, when you have the, the thinkers and stuff like that come out to you, and give you that whole, don't you, don't, look at these other guys, you should be scared of them.
00:45:00.780The, these, these groups can, they're, they're often playing to a real fear, like, these Somalian groups really did hate each other, like, they did have a reason to fear each other, they did screw each other over intergenerational,
00:45:11.500certain immigrant populations may be an actual threat, but keep in mind that people can use this to manipulate you, and, and they often do, because the people who are using it, while, while being strictly morally adherent, are going to have a harder time rising through the ranks, because they have to be more nuanced in how they put things, because they have to be less, you know, so you've got all that, but then the second thing is, is, like, where do we go from here, right, like, where, where do I go from this, and I guess at the point that I'm making more broadly,
00:45:39.140is I have moved to accept that multiculturalism genuinely did screw over a lot of high-trust societies that had sort of culturally evolved, you know,