Based Camp - We Need More Sins (Sins = Rules that Make Your Life Better)

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. Today, we are going to be discussing

00:00:03.940 personal morality as it relates to, one, this is going to focus on just general advice for

00:00:10.860 living a good life and a good way to structure your life to overcome many of the challenges

00:00:17.280 that people face. So this would be applicable to people of Christian perspective, non-Christian

00:00:21.920 perspective, techno-Puritan perspective, but I'm going to be couching it within the framing

00:00:26.260 of i'm talking to christians here okay and the reason i'm couching it in that is because when

00:00:34.220 we look at something like the bible people often get hung up they're like wait so i read all these

00:00:40.820 parts about morality and like this seven deadly sins in the bible and the commandments and then

00:00:45.460 i read stuff like if a man sells his daughter as a slave she is not to go free as male slaves do

00:00:50.800 if she does not please the master who selected her for himself he must let her be redeemed

00:00:55.800 he has no right to sell her to other foreigners because he has broken face with her if he selects

00:01:01.100 her for his sons he must grant her the rights of a daughter if he marries her to another woman he

00:01:06.840 must not deprive the first one of food closing or marital rights if he does not provide her with

00:01:11.660 these things she is to go free without any payment of money and people are like wait is that a bunch

00:01:16.960 of rules about how to sell your daughter into slavery and then treat her afterwards you can be

00:01:20.940 like they just seem like nice rules about selling your daughter into slavery but it would seem like

00:01:25.960 it might have been better to just not do that to just be like if you're thinking of selling your

00:01:33.240 daughter into slavery and like pretty clearly because it talks about potentially marrying her 1.00

00:01:38.300 sex slavery is what we would call that today don't do it and the way that christians and jews get 0.86

00:01:44.960 around this is they go well iteratively that was a more moral way of dealing with slavery 0.88

00:01:50.640 than other common traditions of this period and we have a whole episode where we go through that

00:01:54.960 if you look at our last tract where we also went into morality at the societal level we talk about

00:01:59.120 the many like you you remember me going over them it was a number of them places in the bible where

00:02:05.760 god commands people to kill infants and lots of infants like the number of infants is very very 0.94

00:02:12.000 high right if you want to go through that check out the episode christianity was never a religion

00:02:16.840 of peace that we released last week it's a great episode we cite all the verses where this happens

00:02:23.760 and it's a pretty frequent thing throughout the old testament and so people are like okay

00:02:27.900 well he told people to do that because those societies were practicing child sacrifice

00:02:33.420 and i was like that's not a very moral answer that's like saying oh we rescued a bunch of

00:02:40.560 children from epstein's island so we killed them all like presumably if you're saving the children

00:02:46.820 who might be child sacrificed, right? 0.99

00:02:49.860 Like you don't kill them.

00:02:51.000 And note here, the term used in some of these instances,

00:02:53.300 you can't be like, oh, he's only talking about toddlers

00:02:54.920 who has absorbed the culture.

00:02:56.380 They use terms meaning like breastfeeding infants,

00:02:57.980 like suckling infants, right? 0.63

00:02:59.000 Like very young.

00:03:00.380 So it's like, okay, what's going on here, right?

00:03:04.180 Was this just like iteratively more moral

00:03:06.320 than what came before it?

00:03:07.920 Do these types of things still hold?

00:03:09.960 And how does this hold at like a personal level?

00:03:12.580 And what I'll note here is what we see

00:03:16.820 If you take the stance that God said all of this, because it was iteratively better than

00:03:21.440 the way things used to be done before he laid those things out, then presumably it's been

00:03:27.420 a pretty long time since the New Testament was written, more is expected of us or a more

00:03:33.800 advanced understanding of morality is expected from us than what was laid out in the New

00:03:39.360 Testament.

00:03:40.460 So what are those things?

00:03:42.700 And that's what we're going to go into today, is basically a new and expanded understanding of sins that will help you be like, hmm, if I just make a personal commitment to never do this list of things, I will be both a much more mentally healthy person, I will be a much more efficacious person, and I will be able to do a lot more to push human civilization forwards.

00:04:08.500 and note here when we talk about pushing human civilization forwards obviously this is a wider

00:04:13.400 like techno puritan track series but it's we try to make them more applicable to general

00:04:17.340 christians now as well uh one of the fun things that you see in regards to us talking about the

00:04:21.480 sons of man which you also see all over the bible you know by the way i didn't make up the term the

00:04:25.740 sons of man that's all over the old testament very weird way to talk about people why would

00:04:31.860 you talk about people as the sons of man right like that's a why and we're not just you know

00:04:39.700 humans or people why not just man right well suppose that these rules were supposed to apply

00:04:46.320 to not just the humans we have today but when we become a space-faring species when we take 0.86

00:04:51.680 our manifest destiny among the spars we're going to need to use genetic technology you basically 0.91

00:04:55.980 have to you can't easily have people live their entire lives in zero g without some form of gene

00:05:00.360 editing and most other planets are going to require some gene editing to live on and how

00:05:05.780 extensive that goes could be bigger than that you're going to eventually have some humans that

00:05:09.580 are ai integrations you're going to have some humans we're going to have ai working alongside

00:05:13.600 us so we take the sons of man to mean all of the intelligences which are downstream of humanity

00:05:19.320 be those ai intelligences uplifted animals human intelligences of the far future that are

00:05:25.180 genetically modified and stuff like that and that's why it says the sons of man i like that

00:05:28.460 bundle, like weird prediction of the applicability that that would have to have, but it tracks with

00:05:35.440 the way society looks like it's going. So if we're looking at that and we're asking, okay,

00:05:42.360 so if God's sort of broader moral framework and at least how it's expressed seems to shift

00:05:49.480 over time, how can we find out what he really wanted with those frameworks? Like what was the

00:05:56.120 point of the frameworks as they were laid out. And it appears fairly clear because we can look

00:06:00.980 at the effects that these frameworks had on individuals and society at large, which is

00:06:07.220 an increased amount of human flourishing, right? This is human technological, civilizational

00:06:14.620 flourishing, right? The reason why you would want to create more humane rules around the selling of

00:06:22.440 your daughter into slavery i was on a stream with leaflet and somebody was asking what are sins

00:06:27.580 because we were talking about them more broadly and i was like when you boil it down sins are

00:06:34.300 just a list of things that will up your life some of them may seem like a good idea in the short

00:06:40.240 term in the same way eating candy every morning for breakfast might what's going on maybe it's

00:06:47.780 all this stuff that you both eat oh will you get off that no honestly it's true okay moss what did

00:06:53.580 you have for breakfast this morning smarty cereal oh my god i didn't even know smarties made a cereal

00:07:00.160 they don't it's just smarties in a bowl with milk but in the long term you're going to suffer from

00:07:06.660 it it's basically a long list and we saw this in one of the recent episodes we did on you know

00:07:12.380 rampant consumerization of human sexuality leading to the normalization of things like abortion

00:07:19.180 and this destroying people's lives, right? The sin that they were committing ended up having this

00:07:28.440 absolutely huge deleterious negative impact on them. The women who go out and whore themselves 1.00

00:07:35.540 when they're younger, the effect that this is going to happen when they hit the wall and then 1.00

00:07:40.100 nobody wants them anymore. And then, you know, you see this with pride, lying, look at what's

00:07:47.540 going on with the bricks and minifigs CEO right now, right? There is no sin. There's no like rule

00:07:53.100 that we're given that isn't long-term in our own best interest. Sins are just a really long list of

00:08:00.820 don't piss on the electric fence. And so if we are increasing the number of sins or expanding

00:08:08.280 our understanding of sin, it's basically expanding this. Good rules to live by, good things to look

00:08:15.600 out for. And when I pointed this out on stream, some people were like, well, no, you know, sins

00:08:20.100 need to be like this really difficult thing to deal with. This is really like, and it's like,

00:08:26.660 they are insofar that anything you do purely for your own self-interest is a sin, e.g. playing

00:08:33.500 video games or something like that. And even those things can eventually have negative effects

00:08:39.480 on you. But in terms of the more like explicitly labeled sins, for example, sleeping with another

00:08:45.700 dude's wife, right? Like it may feel good in the moment, but not even, you don't even need to say

00:08:52.040 like civilizationally, this is a bad idea to normalize. It's just obviously going to come

00:08:57.000 back and cause you more pain in the, in the longterm. And I would also note that this seems

00:09:00.940 to be a core thing that differentiates christianity from other abrahamic traditions like i don't think 0.83

00:09:06.240 there's anything actually negative at least within a modern context where like a muslim can't eat pork

00:09:11.380 right like i don't think pork actually has any negative externalities in a modern context

00:09:16.160 or where a jew cannot mix you know linen and flax in a single outfit but in christianity i am unaware

00:09:23.580 of any christian sins where i'm like this is just an obscure thing that was totally unique to a

00:09:30.460 specific era sorry what does he want he wants to tell the viewers what he learned like

00:09:37.140 germs can go in your body and some they're like tiny little dots they can multiply multiply

00:09:48.640 why wait so germs get into you kind of like mouth thingies that eat that like germs that are like

00:10:02.000 the other things i was talking about recently the green things smart smart so first how do you

00:10:10.560 determine and the fact that the way that god expresses his morality has changed over time

00:10:15.840 shows that the intentionality of God on humanity through these systems as they have evolved is

00:10:21.920 that it's consequentialist in its framework, right? Like it is based on some outcome, right?

00:10:27.300 Well, and as you framed it in a different conversation, when you discuss morality on

00:10:31.920 the societal level, you argue that the New Testament was made for a point at which human

00:10:39.460 civilization had become much more globalized already, and you had different cultures interacting

00:10:45.160 more and you needed to begin to mask the brutality of christianity to appear to be symbiotic so as to

00:10:53.760 not become an existential threat to other cultures and obligate those cultures to completely take out

00:11:00.240 christianity exactly but but even i mean during the early period when they enter it ended the

00:11:06.000 period where that was necessary when they began to take over the the roman empire they did not

00:11:10.740 forget how brutal their religious teachings actually are they just that only became sublimated

00:11:16.120 later that only in like the last hundred years i want to say is really when the all those parts 0.75

00:11:21.620 of the bible were forgotten but to continue here except by some groups like the quakers who

00:11:27.020 annoy me and the anabaptists who i generally like but anyway to continue here so what's a good way

00:11:34.500 to build your life in terms of like moral rules and everything like that so first and you can see 0.99

00:11:40.020 how to do this in the pragmatist kind of life is build an objective function. That is, think

00:11:45.860 through whatever it is, whether it's because God, you know, you're coming at this from a Christian

00:11:50.700 perspective, or you're coming at this from a completely secular perspective, the collection

00:11:54.160 of things that you think is of intrinsic good to maximize with your life, and then build a set of

00:12:01.680 functions around that. By that, what I mean is it might be like, well, within my life, maybe some of

00:12:07.980 these things will be purely indulgent. I think I need X level of happiness. And once that satisfied,

00:12:14.920 then I will put all of my effort into X or Y, you know, that's the way functions are constructed,

00:12:20.400 like 50% into doing this, 50% into doing this. Now, if you're a techno Puritan, you're just

00:12:25.920 going to have one framing coming from what I was talking about here, which is what is God's plan.

00:12:29.920 God's plan is continued human flourishing. So it's probably some level of comfort. And then

00:12:33.820 once you reach that level of comfort, it's needed for, you know, maximum personal efficacy and not

00:12:37.960 distraction, then focus on maximizing future human flourishing. And this is often best done

00:12:45.080 through scientific advancement, which we're going to get to in a bit, right? Which is to say,

00:12:49.640 generally speaking, there are many places where you could, for example, give money to the poor,

00:12:56.880 right? And over in a hundred years, in 200 years, because God doesn't love somebody in 200 years,

00:13:02.660 and I don't care less about somebody in 200 years than I care about a human today,

00:13:06.100 which is going to help more aggregate people almost always things that help the civilization

00:13:13.760 continue developing are going to have a bigger impact and no that's not just technology that's

00:13:19.580 things that help it economically develop that's things that help it develop in terms of its moral

00:13:24.900 systems how it deals with outside or parasitic groups that are exploiting systems so we'll get

00:13:31.260 into all of that and also note here this line i think highlights what i think is expected

00:13:36.140 in terms of dedicating yourself to an extent to continued scientific progress when we did our

00:13:41.740 episode on genesis not being incompatible with science one of the things we we kept getting in

00:13:46.520 the comments is like people forgot that like all of the early scientific advancements were made by

00:13:50.740 people who were trying to understand god better right like they and even the bible like goes into

00:13:56.800 this so if you look at lines like it is the glory of god to conceal a matter to search out a matter

00:14:02.140 is the glory of kings which is to say you the best of you the best of humanity your greatest endeavor

00:14:09.980 is the search of knowledge of things that god has not made immediately obvious right so when

00:14:17.700 somebody's like oh well you know god didn't exactly and very cleanly lay out evolution in

00:14:24.380 the bible why didn't he do that right why why wasn't that done it's like it's the glory of

00:14:29.080 god to conceal matter and to search out a matter is the glory of kings which is to say that if you

00:14:33.720 take a approach to everything that does not update post a jesus's time perspective on our

00:14:40.820 understanding of nature in the world you're literally acting in rebellion to what the bible

00:14:45.140 is telling you to do right all right so if you're just inventing a religion for like savages telling 0.70

00:14:52.480 them. Like, don't give yourself to lust. Don't give yourself to gluttony. Don't give yourself

00:14:56.900 like seven deadly sins, stuff like that. Original 10 commandments, very easy rules,

00:15:02.400 but there are so many deleterious things that trap humans today at a significantly more socially

00:15:10.500 and morally developed standpoint. I think it's worth laying out additional six so that you can

00:15:16.760 easily categorize these in your head. So let's jump right into these note. I think the majority

00:15:22.260 of the additional sins that are going to be laid out

00:15:24.300 are things that we are warned against

00:15:26.020 at some point or another in the New Testament.

00:15:28.700 It's just that the warnings are often not as explicit

00:15:32.880 or salient in the way that the New Testament

00:15:35.680 is often taught today.

00:15:37.360 So if I give one of these out and you're like,

00:15:39.900 oh, actually this line here could be used to mean that,

00:15:43.300 yeah, I know.

00:15:44.040 And do try to keep track as we're going, Simone,

00:15:46.300 so you can add any that you think I miss here.

00:15:48.520 Because we now have like actual people

00:15:49.900 who follow our religion.

00:15:50.760 I'm like, well, if we're doing that,

00:15:51.680 we should do more to help them live a good life. Well, we need to make our, I mean, we're going to

00:15:55.660 be following these rules too. We've been discussing this all week. So we need to have our own internal

00:15:59.500 this week where I was like, should I go to my high school reunion or should I not go to my

00:16:06.100 high school reunion? And it would have been like a 24 hour car ride. Right. And I was like, one,

00:16:11.700 no, that is against my objective function. It is cleanly against my objective function.

00:16:16.600 it is purely indulgent but it's not even an indulgence that will make me happy and this

00:16:22.520 here comes to the first sin of modernity which is doing a thing because of societal expectation

00:16:32.060 you anytime you do a thing just because you think that it is what's expected of you like a

00:16:43.180 graduation ceremony. How does a graduation ceremony actually help you, right? Or is it

00:16:48.360 just a waste of time? Now, if you are doing it because your parents paid for you to go to college

00:16:52.200 and they'll be proud and that's why you're going, fine. But if your parents aren't showing up, why

00:16:56.320 are you, right? That is time that you could be spending on doing something productive that moves

00:17:02.740 yourself forward, educating yourself more or moves human civilization forward. A second one here,

00:17:09.960 which i'm really this comes to the graduation thing i want to go to the graduation and i want

00:17:14.100 to show all these people look at look at me look look at how great i am these days right i'm doing

00:17:21.380 so much better than you i have a wikipedia page i have all these followers that makes me amazing

00:17:26.340 and look at you and your sad lives that aren't doing anything right which this is a big motivational

00:17:32.260 factor for many people it is is what the bible was trying to warn us about with pride but i think

00:17:38.780 people have recontextualized it. People motivate themselves. And I motivated myself when I was

00:17:44.580 younger in a big way by owning the people who thought they were better to me. And this is a

00:17:48.840 unique, I think even genetically baked in problem with people of the backwards tradition. We just 1.00

00:17:53.980 love, get deep satisfaction of owning people who think they're better than us. And I'm not saying

00:17:59.960 you should never indulge in that satisfaction if you can use it to motivate efficacious and moral

00:18:07.600 behavior. However, I am saying that you shouldn't do it if it's leading you to do something which

00:18:15.060 is purely indulgent. This is the same way where like feeling good during sex isn't bad if you're

00:18:22.340 using it for procreation, obviously, right? Because that's the point. That's what it was

00:18:27.480 evolved to motivate. Yeah, but it can still pull you down a path of evil, right? If you approach

00:18:34.740 it the wrong way all right so first two sins laid out there next living to maximize your image in

00:18:43.100 somebody else's eyes i have noticed many people you mean to look good to other people

00:18:48.620 no maximize your image what does that mean they build their heuristics for making decisions we

00:18:56.460 have an episode where we talk about hansa who is an example of somebody who does this

00:19:00.220 where we notice that this male thought leading influencer and like the red pillish diaspora

00:19:06.060 community was basically saying when he was making major life decisions, like what decision is the

00:19:11.940 more mannish decision to make? What decision is the more masculine decision to make? He is optimizing

00:19:18.180 his major life decisions around fitting some image that he thinks is the image that he needs

00:19:26.420 to be living, not towards the effect that that image will have on society, not towards the effect

00:19:31.440 that image is going to have on other people, not towards anything that's efficacious, but entirely

00:19:36.300 based on an image. Right. So, okay. The, the, the distinction here is, is that it's, it's about

00:19:41.460 an archetype fitting an archetype and that being really not, not cool. Don't live your life to try

00:19:47.480 to fit an archetype, like the sexy woman, the desirable man, the tough guy, the, the saintly

00:19:54.060 caretaker if that's just what you're trying to satisfy without understanding the moral

00:19:59.240 fundamentals, the values that you're working to serve. Yes. And where this can become really

00:20:04.980 dangerous for people who otherwise would frame themselves as good Christians is they attempt to

00:20:11.320 fit the image of a good Christian. They abandon actual morality for a social role in maximizing 0.96

00:20:19.200 that social role okay yeah this can be a big problem for like trad wives like if it's the 0.97

00:20:27.120 self-image of a trad wife if it's the self-image of a trad husband if it's the self-image of a good

00:20:33.180 christian woman for example and people can say why is that a bad thing to do if it's a positive

00:20:39.640 self-image and it's because attempting to maximize positive self-images is something that can lead 0.98

00:20:48.820 to immorality. So I think what's worse is like, let's say that your goal is to serve God. And

00:20:56.380 then the way you think you can more to that is by invoking in your mind, the image of the most

00:21:02.400 holy saintly person. And if I just sort of cosplay maximally well as that caricature, then

00:21:10.300 presumably I've got my bases covered. The problem is then you will think that you are actually doing

00:21:17.700 morally good things when instead you are just putting on the costume of someone who does

00:21:23.080 morally good things and congratulating yourself for it and assuming that it's all working out

00:21:27.460 just fine when it's really not. And to give examples of how this can, for example, destroy

00:21:33.300 a marriage. If one person is rather than being a good wife because they want to serve humanity

00:21:39.520 and society by serving their children and their husband, for example, they can say, well, these 0.96

00:21:45.260 are the strict roles and things that a trad wife is supposed to do and you as a husband are supposed 0.76

00:21:50.540 to make all of these things doable for me right and so then the family ends up in a scenario where 0.98

00:21:56.280 they may for a child's medical bills require a second income or something like that and the

00:22:02.100 woman doesn't end up doing that and it causes the man bitterness and then they end up fighting with

00:22:06.420 each other the woman doesn't understand like the the things that she's doing aren't even really

00:22:11.680 appreciated by the husband like the reason you're supposed to do all these trad wifey things are

00:22:16.300 because it is for the behalf of the husband right like that presumably they like these things what

00:22:23.100 if they don't even value these things right and they would prefer you did something else that is

00:22:27.260 difficult for you to do now it's just completely wasted effort and yeah it's a really good point

00:22:32.780 what a lot of trad wife influencers are things that like women want to do for themselves and

00:22:37.420 that men don't really care about. Yeah. And wasted effort is inherently sinful because every 1.00

00:22:44.220 amount of effort that you waste is time you could have spent on something else. Here, I guess I'll

00:22:50.500 just go into the next sin, which is busy work. Busy work is as sin as doing something that is

00:22:59.000 directly immoral without societal externalities. So I guess examples here, right? I think anything

00:23:07.160 you do that's like personally indulgent and doesn't move society forwards is sinful because

00:23:11.660 we see from romans that could just be like doing a spa day instead of working toward something you

00:23:18.540 value anything you don't do for god or anything you cannot say to be doing for god is a sin and

00:23:24.500 if god's goal is the long-term flourishing of humanity anything that's not contributing to

00:23:27.680 that is sinful now we are all sinners you shouldn't expect to live a sinful sinless life

00:23:32.000 sure however many people confuse themselves and lie to themselves by acting as if they are doing

00:23:38.580 something less sinful by doing pointless busy work than by doing something like playing video

00:23:44.520 games or well yeah i think something uniquely common in the united states where you see a lot

00:23:49.180 of performative suffering and performative exhaustion is people and actually this i think

00:23:54.860 happens a lot in asia too where you see like the six-day work weeks and people who work extra long

00:23:59.220 and the norms of you can't leave your office in Japan

00:24:02.000 until your boss leaves and your boss stays way long.

00:24:05.240 That, well, if you're suffering

00:24:07.000 and if you're not happy and it's really not fun,

00:24:10.620 then you're working really hard

00:24:13.080 and you're doing good things.

00:24:14.240 When really like, okay, great. 0.96

00:24:16.040 You're miserable and you've just wasted a ton of time.

00:24:18.660 Like that is- 0.95

00:24:19.260 Yeah, why busy work is strictly a higher form of sin

00:24:23.180 than pure indulgence.

00:24:25.200 Yeah, like you should have just played a video game

00:24:27.520 for three hours that day.

00:24:28.980 spent one hour actually doing meaningful work instead of being so sleep deprived and stressed

00:24:33.360 out that you could only do 15 minutes of actually productive work that day, even though you were in

00:24:37.680 an office for like 12 hours. It lowers your overall efficiency, right? Like at least forms

00:24:43.800 of indulgence can help you stay sane, feel rewarded, feel motivated. Busy work does not

00:24:50.220 do that, right? It's a really good point. And so it is a worse sin and more of a sin to call out

00:24:55.140 in your partner in yourself than other forms of of sin it is this is for sure my biggest

00:25:02.180 like it's your biggest sin by far it's your only sin really i don't see you sin in any other way

00:25:09.480 than busy work well i think it's and but this is where i need advice on this sin is i feel like

00:25:14.800 often i lack the judgment in really understanding where i should be putting my time and focus i

00:25:20.140 mean i think that you know perfectly well when you're doing something that doesn't actually

00:25:25.120 need to be done as frequently as you're doing it, but you do it as an indulgence in the same way

00:25:29.420 that I play video games as an indulgence, because you feel that you won't be able to hear yourself

00:25:33.860 think as you say, if you don't do it. The question is, are you on being honest with yourself about

00:25:39.500 how much of that busy work you need to do to hear yourself think and how much of it is just

00:25:44.000 performative? Well, I guess what we do is I check in with you a lot. I should check in with you more

00:25:51.180 on like help me balance this out and sanity check this and probably having a third party it could be

00:25:55.960 a person ideally you know like your spouse or something but it could also probably be an ai

00:26:01.060 if you're operating independently yeah just evaluating it yeah which which is one of those

00:26:07.580 things was like that's not in the bible like the bible they didn't have busy work at the time of

00:26:12.560 jesus it just wasn't a sin that he needed to warn people about right so simone's gonna mention a

00:26:16.800 passage that could be taken to mean this which i love that there are passages and then in addition

00:26:21.840 to that passage you could also take the parable of talents from matthews to be about this or you

00:26:28.740 could take luke 10 38 to 42 martha and mary to mean this and this is just really cool that you

00:26:36.340 do actually see this in parts of the bible was but martha was distracted with much serving and

00:26:42.980 she went to him and said lord do you not care that my sister has left me to serve alone to her

00:26:48.940 then to help me but the lord answered her martha martha you are anxious and troubled by many things

00:26:55.760 but one thing is necessary marcia has chosen the good portion which cannot be taken away from her

00:27:01.400 but again even if this is a parable against busy work it's often not in a salient context when i'm

00:27:08.980 like a church have i and i used to go to church every week did i ever come away thinking busy

00:27:15.940 work is a sin gotta make sure not to do that no i think the there was a passage you read when we

00:27:21.720 talked about societal morality about not suffering publicly yeah not suffering performatively that is

00:27:30.300 an extreme vice in the united states again like bragging about sleep deprivation this is this is

00:27:38.120 not in the busy work category of sin this is in the i'd say no no because people brag about the

00:27:45.140 hours they were oh i work 60 hour weeks right but this isn't this isn't that this sin is very

00:27:49.860 different so this is the aplomb sin which means not acting with aplomb is sinful i'm sorry we've

00:27:57.340 moved on to a new one yes so this covers a number of emotional states which are adopted for purely

00:28:06.800 indulgent reasons, it don't actually help you. Oh, like acting exasperated or. Yes. You are

00:28:13.940 taking on a negative emotional state, which causes negative externalities for everyone around you.

00:28:19.620 It causes your children, your spouse, your coworkers to be less happy, to be less productive.

00:28:25.960 It causes you to be less happy and less productive. When at the end of the day,

00:28:29.500 emotions are generally a choice. You can choose how you contextualize, you know, you get fired

00:28:35.120 from a job, for example, you can say, oh, woe is me, right? Or you can say, oh, well, this is

00:28:42.320 exciting. Now I get to try to look for something new. Now I get a change of pace. Now I get a new

00:28:46.480 challenge. I mean, people are like, well, what if something truly bad happens? Like what if

00:28:50.440 Simone died, right? Then it is extra upon me to not act with sadness and with grief. Because if

00:28:59.220 I do that, who suffers? Who suffers from that? The people who are going to suffer the most,

00:29:05.120 are going to be my kids and they just lost a mom. Okay. Yeah. Do they also want to have

00:29:12.440 an absent, emotionally ruined, angry, grieving, sad, bereft father? Like you don't want to lose

00:29:19.840 two parents, you know? The implication of this sin is proportional to the severity of the loss

00:29:29.340 that you have undergone is to very the time when you need to act with the most aplomb and no this

00:29:35.800 isn't generic happiness aplomb this is you know acting with plucky continued diligence and move

00:29:43.200 forwardness like a happy soldier those are the times when it is the bleakest for you when can

00:29:50.740 you least afford to have self-pity is when you just got fired and have a family to support

00:29:55.980 Exactly. When can you least afford to act with these other forms of indulgence? It is when you most feel them, right? And so don't wait until something really bad happens to adopt this. And I've noted here, I've watched some Mormon influencers and they complain that Mormons are told to do this, right?

00:30:15.060 Oh, yeah. Alyssa Grenfell explicitly goes on about how it's really messed up that there's sort of a limited amount of grieving that is considered socially acceptable within the LDS church and like per like traditions and the way that funerals go and memorial services.

00:30:32.740 yeah and it's really interesting to hear her talk about that when we would see that as such as like

00:30:38.900 a huge huge sign of the church's good taste there are other moral rules that we've been talking

00:30:45.480 about internally that were like man this backfired like they completely did this the wrong way like

00:30:51.080 setting certain standards either contemporarily or historically that just are being completely

00:30:57.200 misconstrued or have been outsized to out sorry outsourced to outside authorities like saying oh

00:31:02.640 we don't watch rated r movies but then having this completely unassociated non-mormon body

00:31:06.800 determine what the r rating is this is actually where this this today's sort of tracked because

00:31:14.060 we don't remember the tracks anymore so this is technically a techno puritan track but it's

00:31:17.220 applicable to all christians or people more broadly came from which is we were talking about the words

00:31:22.700 of wisdom which is where like don't do this stuff is laid out by joseph smith and some of this is

00:31:26.480 useful like the be happy thing other of it is just wasteful like don't drink hot liquids like

00:31:32.660 coffee and stuff like that like at the time they thought that it had like negative health effects

00:31:37.280 but we now know that it doesn't it actually has positive health effects and it's been very well

00:31:41.220 studied so it's like oh like we should have a techno puritan words of wisdom we should have

00:31:45.540 something where i try to go through and future proof these so i don't i don't know if it was

00:31:50.660 negative health effects it might have been that it was recognized that caffeine was addictive or

00:31:54.800 that was an unnecessary expense that didn't yield, you know, caloric benefit. But for whatever

00:32:00.920 reason now, even if like caffeine, it's the thing to be avoided, which from a health perspective

00:32:06.680 doesn't make sense because it's, it's broadly seen as having health benefits on the aggregate

00:32:11.860 aside from being addictive, though it is quite addictive. Now you have all these Mormons drinking 1.00

00:32:17.540 heavily caffeinated, often dirty sodas, you know, very high in calories, not helpful calories and 1.00

00:32:23.760 not drinking coffee like a zero calorie you know moderately healthy drink if you don't put a ton

00:32:31.360 of stuff in it it's clearly something that's not being optimally construed as a word of wisdom

00:32:37.640 absolutely yeah so we're like let's let's build these but try to make them better and future

00:32:44.720 proof so also you guys can warn me if i ever do something in a tract and you're like that could

00:32:48.680 have really long-term negative ramifications yeah we want to know if if the community becomes like

00:32:54.660 really big and fanatic because i always try to think how is a fanatic going to operate on this

00:32:58.700 right like if somebody goes down that pathway 200 years from now right and that's also why the tracks

00:33:04.480 take so long to produce is because i need to go through you know everything i'm saying it's like

00:33:08.280 how could a fanatic twist this but the happiness thing i just see is and for people who aren't

00:33:13.840 aware of this they can be like well isn't it like a part it's like useful to grieve it's useful to

00:33:19.300 experience negative things it's useful to experience anger and sadness and it's like it's strictly not

00:33:24.420 um we know from studies that like if you punch a wall when you're angry you have a harder time

00:33:30.020 in the future controlling your anger if you let yourself cry like just have a cry when you're sad

00:33:34.860 you're going to cry at lower thresholds in the future uh the reason for this is when you stop

00:33:40.020 yourself from these forms of emotional indulgences, you are activating the inhibitory

00:33:44.000 pathway in your prefrontal cortex, which gets stronger with each activation. If you have not

00:33:49.500 frequently activated it, you are incredibly susceptible to intrusive thoughts and intrusive

00:33:57.260 emotional states, um, which puts you like, it's just, this isn't even just a for your family

00:34:02.940 thing. It's just worse for you because presumably being sad or being stressed or going over about

00:34:09.400 how hard you're working these days I probably would you say I work harder than anyone you know

00:34:15.180 or yeah you absolutely work harder than anyone I know you wake up at 2 a.m in the morning to start

00:34:21.160 working and you work through every moment of the day that I ever see you like I mean people might

00:34:26.920 take an hour every day to chill and I mean this is also like it's not that you have some kind of

00:34:32.540 period where you're unwinding while like making dinner because I do that like you have almost

00:34:38.120 zero winds down time unless you're like hauling out trash or hauling in groceries for the family

00:34:44.180 yeah so but do you ever see me complain about how overworked i am no never no i've never heard you

00:34:52.580 talk about being overworked whistle while you work right i work with happiness i work constantly and

00:34:58.540 i work with happiness and that's an easy thing to do because there is no moment in your entire life

00:35:03.540 will you ever feel as good as when you are suffering and sacrificing for a well thought

00:35:10.660 through value system that is the greatest happiness that any human has access to and the

00:35:16.340 people who chase directly after hedonism even when they have all of the resources they could ever want

00:35:21.200 as i've pointed out they live the most tortured lives who are the people i have met who live the

00:35:26.280 most tortured lives they are the famous actors and actresses you know they're they they have

00:35:30.600 for people who live pure lives of leisure all the fame very scary all the sex all the partners all

00:35:38.180 the respect and yet they are mentally destroyed and they often die of drug overdoses and stuff

00:35:43.580 like that and are seeing a thousand therapists and are living states of mental terror they are

00:35:49.460 terrorized by their own mind because of this because they went down a pathway that was not

00:35:56.040 based on sacrificing through hard work and with a plum for attempting to make the world better

00:36:03.640 and when you see actors who clearly do live by that you typically see them live very happy

00:36:11.340 fulfilled lives consider like mr rogers for example like he wasn't like he clearly had like

00:36:17.280 a moral value system and he attempted to push it through his show to advance human society

00:36:24.620 and you didn't see him like get addicted to drugs and crash out in a parking lot somewhere right

00:36:30.900 we are rewarded for making these sacrifices and exhibiting this self-control and you will

00:36:38.040 be rewarded for fighting sin even within this expanded category so a lot of people we did a

00:36:43.400 video recently about people who did like gang bangs and the horror shows that their lives can

00:36:48.140 descend into when people wanted us to be like angrier or speak about them was more discussed

00:36:54.440 And it's like, this is, oh, it's not something I'm drawn to.

00:36:58.460 It's not a sin that I'm tempted by, thankfully.

00:37:01.200 But in addition to that, like their lives compared to the lives that Simone and I and

00:37:06.220 my kids live are literal hellscapes.

00:37:09.720 Like I know some of these people and even my friends in this group, I know the mental

00:37:13.560 torture they go through being like, how am I going to make this work?

00:37:17.220 How am I going to have a family?

00:37:18.500 How am I going to, and I want to help them and I can offer them guidance, but there's

00:37:23.600 only so much I can do. And so I think, you know, when you see the end state of what happens to

00:37:30.700 these people and what it's like to be them, it's a lot harder to be, to look at them with so much

00:37:36.780 anger. When you accept that the additional rules that we live by are not arbitrary restrictions

00:37:41.460 that make our lives harder and are just meant to make society a better place or something,

00:37:46.140 but actively improve our own lives it's a lot harder to hate somebody for breaking those rules 0.77

00:37:53.820 for being a sinner so next moral absolutism is the next thing this is allowing primitive or

00:38:04.540 overtly extreme signs of acting moral to override what is actually moral right this is where 0.98

00:38:14.060 the Vatican says, oh, just bring in endless immigrants because the Bible said you should 0.59

00:38:20.260 feed foreigners and you should feed the poor. And so we're going to maximize that line out of 0.93

00:38:25.920 context. And through that, we're going to bring in endless foreigners and who cares what long-term 1.00

00:38:33.240 impact this is going to have on the people we're bringing into the country, right? Who cares what 1.00

00:38:37.240 long-term impact that's going to have on their family when the citizens get pissed off and they

00:38:40.980 decide to deport them and they have kids separated from their parents and that all could have been

00:38:45.260 avoided if you just hadn't brought them in the first place or you leave them in the country and

00:38:50.120 they end up overtaxing the social safety net and then pensioners don't get their pensions

00:38:53.620 and people who relied on social security in the country don't get their social security and they

00:38:57.640 start to death like there are negative externalities from this and this sort of moral absolutism

00:39:05.720 you see whether it's coming from the vatican because it's often very indulgent right it is

00:39:11.820 it is moral hedonism as we've defined it it's saying oh i'm the good guy here right like i'm

00:39:17.160 doing the good thing without considering the consequences it's saying i have some deontological

00:39:21.720 this is why i always crash out about the deontology because what deontology really does

00:39:24.660 is push the cost of your moral purity onto outsiders when you say i won't ever kill and

00:39:34.720 then an intruder breaks into your house and rapes one of your kids because you wouldn't fight back

00:39:39.860 and this like functionally really happened when they're like pirates happened in around philadelphia 0.84

00:39:44.600 and the quakers wouldn't wouldn't force oh yeah along historically people were terrorized and

00:39:50.740 brutalized because at the cost of their moral purity right that is functionally evil right

00:39:58.160 because and they are as responsible or more responsible for those atrocities in the pirate

00:40:04.580 themselves and there are ways of approaching non-consequentialist frameworks that prevent

00:40:10.880 the extremes like thomism which i'm not particularly against it just feels like a weasel out for me it

00:40:17.840 feels like a way of framing morality where you don't have to deal with the potential extremes

00:40:25.180 of either consequentialist or non-consequentialist world perspectives and i guess that's good in that

00:40:32.720 it doesn't have the extreme negatives, but I also feel like it doesn't accept the full moral weight

00:40:37.960 that is important to accept of a moral framing. It just uses a bunch of rules to carve off the

00:40:43.880 extremes. And the rules feel arbitrary and non-morally weighty to me. I think any real and

00:40:49.420 good moral system is going to push you to positions that a normal person would be mortified by,

00:40:56.800 because I think real moral conviction looks like that. It looks like something where other

00:41:02.640 people say oh my god like why why why are you doing this it's like this this then this if

00:41:09.340 something removes through whatever amount of thing any choice that goes against a person's

00:41:17.000 intuitions i think it's removing moral complexity and i think we can see in the bible that god's

00:41:23.520 clearly not a thomist when he punishes someone like saul for not killing literally everyone and

00:41:29.400 they're animals of the enemy tribe that's not within the bounds of thomas essex yes self-defenses

00:41:35.640 but something like that isn't because they said and note here people had asked on a call i should

00:41:41.100 lay this out here there are times when a group having these beliefs these moral absolutist

00:41:48.200 beliefs exerts a negative externality on society in times when they don't and the difference between

00:41:52.800 the two is whether or not they are power hungry and why they are exerting the moral absolutism

00:41:58.520 So a good differentiation here is Amish pacifism does not exert an externality on society because Amish don't seek power for themselves.

00:42:08.740 They almost never hold elected office and they often don't even vote unless they're actively being victimized as they have been in the most recent few election cycles. 0.73

00:42:16.380 Whereas Quakers disproportionately historically held positions of power. 0.95

00:42:20.920 And so they're able to say, even though it's not Quakers who the police would be intervening on behalf of, oh, don't go do that. 1.00

00:42:27.740 and we see this not just from the vatican we see this from wokes all the time you know this 0.98

00:42:33.680 oh i'm doing the more moral thing because on a surface level it looks more moral and i'm just

00:42:38.360 maximizing these surface level rules or we can even see it on a when people go and spam racism

00:42:44.600 or anti-semitism in ways that isn't like this is where we need to be asking some serious questions

00:42:49.900 about israel but where they're trying to show off right this is a very smooth brain thing to do

00:42:54.940 because these are groups that we're going to have to work with in the future, right? Like 0.84

00:42:59.660 clearly, if you look at their fertility rate, their level of influence, you're going to need

00:43:04.040 to find a way to work with places like Israel and the Jews long-term, whatever cultural group you

00:43:09.860 are. And there is a big difference between just spamming something like, oh, I'd go to war with 0.94

00:43:15.040 them in a second. If I couldn't, the dumbest thing America could do, but some conservative 0.99

00:43:18.220 influencers have actually said that. I'm like, you idiot. Like think about the long-term 1.00

00:43:21.760 implications of that i'm not smart yeah it's it's extremely stupid and you could oh even if you what 0.99

00:43:29.740 purged what's your real and game even if you purged every jew right do you know what happens 0.99

00:43:34.480 when you purge every jew from a country right they go to other countries and you know what those 0.99

00:43:39.580 other countries do with those now angry jews they build atomic weapons that's what we did 0.97

00:43:45.660 okay when we look at leaders historically what they have said is yes the jews might be an outside 0.93

00:43:53.080 group yes they might not always be aligned with us but there are ways that i can utilize that

00:43:57.040 community for my long-term benefit which we saw was people like oliver cronwell bringing the jews

00:44:02.540 back to england to better fight the expansion of romanism and i think that that shows like what

00:44:10.200 how how to think about this stuff without even if you have an outside group even if you have a group

00:44:18.580 that has at times victimized you is worth considering okay with all of that being true

00:44:25.000 what's actually the best long-term path going forward for me to signal

00:44:30.200 next inaction inaction is a massive sin in the modern age and very very important to note it's

00:44:42.820 when you say i will do and this is the most common form of it i will do x thing after i've

00:44:50.660 accomplished y thing when y thing is not a necessary prerequisite for x this is very

00:44:55.380 different from traditional sloth because traditional sloth you're not doing it because

00:44:59.800 you're lazy. Inaction is something like saying, well, once I have the right body, like once I'm

00:45:06.520 skinny enough and hot enough, then I'm going to start dating. Or once I'm certain that no one's

00:45:12.580 going to make fun of me if I do this or that I'm 100% certain that I'm right. Like we're not certain

00:45:19.920 about anything. We're just trying to move in the least incorrect direction possible, but we believe

00:45:26.820 that it's sinful to not move forward at all. Whereas a lot of people are like, well, if I'm

00:45:31.160 not absolutely certain that I can move forward in the morally perfect way, I'm not going to move

00:45:36.720 forward. And we think that that is, that is a form of inaction, right? Even if we're moving

00:45:42.880 forward in like a slightly wrong direction, in the end, we're going to be closer to the morally

00:45:47.520 good thing than you are if you've not moved at all. If you are like, but I don't have the

00:45:52.820 information yet right like if you're in a state like the one this one come up with what tests do

00:45:57.360 you need to run to get that information yeah not having enough information should never be a reason

00:46:02.620 to not move forward anymore if you're a boss you've had the employee who you come to them you

00:46:06.860 gave them a task and they go oh sorry i stopped like 20 minutes into the task when i realized i

00:46:13.660 didn't know how to do like stage two or something or stage three and you're like what the is wrong

00:46:18.480 with you right like genuinely i feel this way sometimes i'm like you should have either

00:46:23.280 immediately come to me when you stopped right and i would have told you what to do next or

00:46:28.180 figured it out but now he's talking about me he's he's just talking about me yeah oh you have done

00:46:34.400 that a few times recently i'm not i actually wasn't thinking of you but it is yeah you were

00:46:37.680 it's okay because it's something that you i wasn't i was thinking of other employees but

00:46:42.900 you have done this a few times recently and it's a massive sin when done to yourself because

00:46:47.480 ultimately we're all our own bosses and if you ever reach something and you're just like i'm not

00:46:52.300 sure then develop a heuristic for how you get to the next step when you're not sure it can be as

00:46:57.760 simple as asking your favorite ai model yeah just go to your favorite ai model and say two out of

00:47:02.900 three models go to reality fabricator that's our ai site and type in hey we have some that run like

00:47:10.580 multiple models on a thing x or y and it will run multiple models and it'll cross check the answer

00:47:16.020 for you for the best answer right like that's a fun way to approach this and you can do that right

00:47:21.720 like we have the technology that you should never ever be stuck on any question and this is where

00:47:27.380 I've got annoyed at Simone when I like came back to her and I was like okay so where are you on

00:47:30.500 next task and she's like I got stuck at like stage three and I'm like well then go to an AI right

00:47:36.440 because I'm just gonna go to an AI when you kick this back to me so why don't you go to an AI right

00:47:40.600 but oh well this was on getting the r5 component ready for apple computers which she had to do

00:47:45.300 and now it works by the way for apple for people who want to use it for like coding on apple and

00:47:48.800 stuff and to be fair the our third stage of doing this i did finally get around to

00:47:55.360 just doing that and not giving it back to until it was done no matter how many times it failed

00:48:01.460 but yeah but this is and this is why i'm expanding the list of sins this form of inaction is

00:48:08.820 functionally as bad as sloth and is more of a temptation for most people than sloth well and

00:48:14.960 again like i think the big theme that differentiates your sins is that you have this extra

00:48:22.600 prejudice justified toward virtue signaling sins anything that you know people had that in it if

00:48:31.460 you read the freaking new testament like we did in the last chapter yeah like yeah make sure when

00:48:35.820 you're giving money you don't do it in a way that is overly performative make sure when you're 0.55

00:48:40.120 fasting you don't fast in a way where other people can tell that you're fasting because that's overly

00:48:44.680 performative make sure when you're praying you don't do it in a way that's overly performative

00:48:49.380 because that's really bad like this is made clear in the spirit of what's listed out there it's just

00:48:56.680 not explicitly listed out so people have well yeah i think it's maybe people missed it because

00:49:03.480 it's not so explicit it's more just like hey don't be flashy when you do when you engage in

00:49:09.500 self-deprivation or like active acts of piety it doesn't have an explicit proactive prohibition on

00:49:17.960 general virtue signaling yeah it's just like oh when you do these things be be subtle about it

00:49:23.240 which of course people miss that too but this is a whole different level of stuff next sim

00:49:28.160 self-flagellation this is when you are hard on yourself or allow yourself to experience

00:49:36.160 negative emotions when in the past you acted either there's there's two types of self-flagellation

00:49:44.500 justified and unjustified self-flagellation i think even justified self-flagellation is a sin

00:49:49.720 but we'll get to how in a second okay so if within any moment of your life you made a decision

00:49:56.760 based on the information you had available to you and in a way that was directed towards

00:50:03.460 long-term human flourishing or the good of the individual you were doing it from like it could

00:50:07.680 be how you're raising your kids how you're treating your wife anything like that right

00:50:10.840 and it leads to some negative outcome right who feel bad about that is enormously sinful because

00:50:18.940 it's indulgent it's it now this is one of the hardest sins to avoid and just knowing that it

00:50:26.100 is a sin like just laying it out as a sin in technopuritanism i think will help people better

00:50:30.860 categorize these emotions and compartmentalize these emotions so they do not overwhelm you

00:50:36.080 i mean the wasted emotion of them doesn't overwhelm you but what when is it actually

00:50:40.600 justified to feel bad when you acted in a way historically where you've had full access to

00:50:47.640 information or was the information you had at the time and you acted in a way that was not

00:50:54.140 in accordance with that information or that was designed not for long-term human flourishing

00:51:01.340 but for some personal benefit this is where you know you knew you probably shouldn't have gotten

00:51:07.780 that fancy car when finances were tight but you really wanted to show off to people so you got

00:51:13.180 the car even though it had no functional utility to your family and now your family's suffering for

00:51:19.380 that, you have permission to take time to meditate on those past failings so you don't do them in the

00:51:29.380 future, but to not overindulge. This should not be more than 10 minutes of emotion, okay? You need

00:51:37.240 to move past this, and since you have created a scenario for yourself, all you can do is move

00:51:43.160 forwards. The only iteration of yourself that you can do good for are iterations of yourself that

00:51:49.560 have yet to come to exist. And you are suffering or living a life of rewards for the actions of

00:51:56.100 past iterations of yourself. And this is how Simone sees sort of actions. Like we're constantly

00:52:01.780 changing a new person with every moment, with every second of the day, and you're constantly

00:52:06.000 paying it forward to the future you. Yeah. Well, and Ari, is this iteration of you that is acting

00:52:11.420 right now that you're consciously experiencing going to be going to go down in history is like

00:52:17.760 a war criminal in your massive army of instances or a hero that did something good that moved you

00:52:24.860 all in a good direction you have a chance to be a hero you have a chance to be you know a mutineer 0.87

00:52:31.200 what are you gonna do next one here is a fun one the indulgence of sin

00:52:35.920 the indulgence of sin is the sin of for no reason other than to test yourself or because you think

00:52:47.980 you are honing yourself and making yourself stronger you needlessly expose yourself to

00:52:55.620 temptation so an example of this would be now this isn't normal daily sorts of temptations like

00:53:03.140 tv erotic images all of these things they're going to be all around you in modern society you do

00:53:09.100 have to be able to resist them to live a normal life right to not crash out the people who crash

00:53:15.720 out at the slightest exposure to one of these things and people are like what if my kid sees

00:53:20.100 x online and i'm like bro if your kid loses it to like something that every kid is going to see

00:53:26.080 within 10 minutes of opening the internet your kid's probably in a pretty bad place in terms of

00:53:31.600 how you structured their value system and the rules that you laid out for them. So a good example

00:53:38.480 of this for someone like myself could be, you don't have the same temptations that I have. You

00:53:44.440 don't live with the same temptations that I live with, but naltrexone, an opioid agonist I take

00:53:48.880 daily, which prevents me from feeling my opioid pathways, which makes it much harder for addictive

00:53:53.640 things to get their hooks into me. I could, if I wanted to just be like, and some Christians are 1.00

00:53:58.340 like this. They're like, oh, don't, you know, blunch yourself to the temptation, right? Like 0.99

00:54:03.560 that's a bad thing. And it's like, why not? Like when I have the technology to do this,

00:54:08.360 I should do it. If a person knows that they heavily struggle with alcohol in a way that's

00:54:15.160 going to cause them to die or something like that, having a fully stocked liquor cabinet is

00:54:20.180 not a moral necessity for them. Yet in terms of the temptations that Christians expose themselves 0.98

00:54:26.600 to i have noticed some think it's like cool or something to do this right it's not cool it leads

00:54:33.840 to long-term negative consequences the only types of exposure that you need to make sure you're okay

00:54:40.340 with is the types of exposure that you're going to experience anyway and and that can be tied to

00:54:47.600 recreational sins that you've accepted so an example of this can be i believe playing video

00:54:54.560 games is sinful in that it is an indulgence that doesn't move human society forwards but i think i

00:55:00.320 would like mentally break down if i didn't have any recreational time so um and note i often play

00:55:05.960 video games while i'm working my normal way to play video games is while i have an episode running

00:55:10.060 so that i'm editing it right you know so i even try to do it like while i'm doing something else

00:55:13.700 or when i watch anime i'm often vibe coding right like i try to but these are still sinful i could

00:55:18.580 be more focused for example so it's about balancing your efficacious pursuit of your values

00:55:27.580 with whatever it is that keeps you happy and motivated and productive and sometimes

00:55:32.520 our long-term values when we pursue them are so abstracted and sort of built on delayed

00:55:40.500 gratification that the bodies we've evolved to live in can't really keep us motivated like we

00:55:45.940 have to create minigames to trick our bodies and to keep going video games are a sin that i'm like

00:55:53.140 i will take that sin because i know that it doesn't like consume my entire life right like

00:55:59.200 video games and anime do not consume my entire life and so i am able to engage with them in a

00:56:04.020 way that i can't engage with for example alcohol when i'm off naltrexo and i think many people can

00:56:09.260 relate to pornography in this way some people can engage with pornography in a way that's just

00:56:13.580 totally like oh a once a week thing or something like that right whereas other people it's like

00:56:20.540 they see it and now it's all they can think about right if you're the type of person where you see

00:56:25.340 it and now it's all you can think about maybe don't put horny pictures of women all over your

00:56:29.700 house right like if you're the type of person that struggles with gambling maybe don't live

00:56:33.900 right next to a casino right and as someone has pointed out it's gotten a lot harder with these

00:56:37.260 online betting sites and stuff like that i i think of all of the sins of modern society gambling is

00:56:42.920 the worst so be aware of that if you have it the reason why i think it's the worst is it is one of

00:56:48.020 the only sins that can destroy your life and the life of everyone around you in like 10 minutes

00:56:54.000 very few sins even like a heroin addiction typically takes i don't know six months or

00:56:59.740 something right like but gambling that's like just over generational wealth can be gone so it's

00:57:06.800 something that i think that people should never engage with gambling is one of those things where

00:57:10.860 It's one of the things where it's like, okay, when I'm choosing the sins that I choose to indulge in, which one should I just not do?

00:57:18.480 Gambling is like the easiest one, okay?

00:57:20.860 One I'd add here that actually came from a recent episode when I was talking to Simone and we were like, well, they didn't even end up enjoying the gangbang that they went to.

00:57:28.440 And she goes, well, you know, maybe they went just to see if they would like going.

00:57:31.600 And I said, but I don't want to know whether or not I like gangbangs.

00:57:35.400 Like I can tell as an outsider, I don't.

00:57:37.460 I do not like seeing other men naked or having, but if, if I was genuinely uncertain, I still

00:57:46.080 would not want to know because even if I was a completely indulgent person who just, you

00:57:52.220 know, did things like gangbangs recreationally, they still take a lot of effort, carry a lot

00:57:56.440 of risk, everything like that.

00:57:58.060 And so I think we should also just outline as a sin going out and doing something just

00:58:04.940 to see if you like it when it would be a net negative to your life to find out you like that

00:58:12.060 thing this includes things like skydiving free climbing gang bangs gambling is an easy one here

00:58:21.420 you don't never be like oh well i went to gamble to see if i enjoyed it you know i tried heroin

00:58:26.220 to see if i enjoyed it just don't do it next empty words so empty words the sin of empty words

00:58:34.940 is when a person is trying to engage or you're trying to engage because sins, our own sins

00:58:41.560 that matter the most, when you're trying to engage somebody else in a conversation that

00:58:46.440 doesn't either entertain them or move their ideas forwards or share information with them

00:58:53.140 or develop your and their understanding of the world, morality, science, et cetera, all

00:58:59.440 conversations and all words should have some purpose.

00:59:02.560 Now, it could be to make them happy. It could be a joke or something like that. But when you come to somebody and you say something like, here are the things I did today, and that's not relevant to them, you have stolen a portion of their life. You have fractually murdered that person.

00:59:19.360 worse are empty words that are designed to try to bring another person down to your negative

00:59:26.120 emotional state this is like compounding where you come to a person and you tell them about

00:59:31.240 something negative that happened to you to try to like venting complaining trauma dumping

00:59:37.600 all of that is horrible a horrible sin you are trying to offload your trauma your pain to another

00:59:46.320 person you can say well what if you need to talk about a trauma to get over it it's like you don't

00:59:49.740 need to if you just don't contextualize it as traumatic the studies have shown you won't

00:59:54.240 experience it as traumatic we always talk about this study but there's a famous study where they

00:59:57.660 looked over people's experiences of trauma in use and they correlated their stated experiences of

01:00:04.120 trauma in use correlated with their negative behavioral patterns as an adult their mental

01:00:08.260 stresses as an adult everything like that but when they went over the court records to see

01:00:10.860 who really experienced trauma and who didn't completely discorrelated from anything as an

01:00:15.200 adult, people who experience demonstrable trauma. Like I would be someone like that. If you look at

01:00:19.580 my childhood, it was horrifying. Like we're actually talking with a team that's like doing

01:00:25.660 research on us and I'm going through my childhood and they were like, wait, that sounds horrifying.

01:00:31.140 Like, why aren't you more focused on that as a traumatic event? And I say, because how does that

01:00:36.860 help me to be? There would be a pure negative externality to everyone around me. Next.

01:00:45.200 and this is a big one and i really encourage people to one look for it in themselves and

01:00:51.180 look for it in their partners right if you if you're in a techno puritan relationship

01:00:54.220 work on this right next unnecessary status signaling easy i probably shouldn't even need

01:01:00.860 to say it but all status signaling is sinful right except for when it is necessary for like

01:01:07.440 a job or something like that and be very careful you don't use lies about what you say is necessary

01:01:14.800 to indulge in status signaling that isn't actually necessary you for almost no job do you actually

01:01:22.080 need anything other than a bare bones car right for example and yet many people buy and a used

01:01:28.960 bare bones car will buy fancy things that they simply do not need in the same category as status

01:01:35.680 signaling is the sin of in-group signaling this is signaling how punk you are how goth you are

01:01:42.380 how whatever in group you want to accept you even how techno puritan you are to other techno

01:01:47.200 puritans it is when you engage in this signaling in a way that hurts your long-term goals and

01:01:53.300 ability to affect society so an example might be a face tattoo or something like that even if there

01:01:58.500 was a techno puritan face tattoo you could get it would be strictly sinful to get it because it would

01:02:04.320 lower your efficaciousness in society i talked it over with simone to think if there's any sins that

01:02:09.480 we're missing here, and we came up with a few more. First is the sin of entitlement. This is to

01:02:16.960 believe that you are owed anything by either other people or reality itself. Be that dignity, a good

01:02:25.640 life, health care, being treated with respect. No one is owed anything, and to believe you are

01:02:32.160 is a grave sin. Second is the sin of indulgent nostalgia. This is allowing nostalgia to indulge

01:02:42.860 rumoration rather than focusing on trying to recreate those sorts of experiences for the next

01:02:49.680 generation, in which case it can be good. The final is rumination more broadly, just the sin

01:02:56.460 of rumoration this is overly focusing or giving weight to any emotion that you are feeling that

01:03:04.900 you didn't choose to feel this like as simone put it when we were walking this morning she goes today

01:03:11.020 people will be like i'm sad that means i should do something about it i should take pills or

01:03:17.120 something when really it's just not particularly relevant how you feel it's usually not particularly

01:03:22.880 relevant to what you need to accomplish or what you need to do the final one i'd include here is

01:03:27.180 one of the biggest potential sins is risking a human's life for happiness or a thrill or for

01:03:35.200 some emotional subset this could be you know recreational sex is one thing that could cause

01:03:41.380 a human's life to come into existence and then you feel put in a position where abortion makes

01:03:45.980 sense to you but this also includes things like skydiving bungee jumping free climbing anything

01:03:52.260 where you are putting your own life at risk meaninglessly for just a thrill next

01:03:57.740 corrupted mercy and this is the biggest and we can get to this another day because it goes

01:04:04.960 long this section we're going to be talking about the bible and a place where i'm just going to say

01:04:10.540 the bible needs to be updated on this point there are many places in the bible where it explicitly

01:04:16.460 says give food to the poor yes even foreigners yes don't let that trouble you and i think that

01:04:24.720 that made sense morally as we talk about like things in the bible the bible in the past said

01:04:29.580 sell your daughter that's how you sell your daughter into sex slavery this is how you know 0.84

01:04:33.920 you treat your slaves this is how you act when you conquer people and have to slaughter all 0.75

01:04:38.800 infants right you know all of those things right those those parts of biblical morality have

01:04:46.560 changed as society has changed and this isn't because the underlying morality of the bible

01:04:52.340 has changed the goals of all of these have always been the same the iterative change to human

01:04:57.440 civilization they've made have always been the same but it's because humanity in the way that

01:05:01.900 we live has changed and that has changed the rules that are best to live by to live a virtuous

01:05:08.740 life within the social norms of your era and i think that this is one area where we need to look

01:05:13.560 at what's in the bible and i'd actually say we there's no way around this there's no linguistic

01:05:19.000 way around this we just need to accept that in the time of jesus and in the time of the old

01:05:23.940 testaments there was not enough charity in the world to the extent that people were suffering

01:05:28.820 and so the bible had to signal boost charity but today we live in a time where charity has reached

01:05:34.900 such an extreme that it is leading to more aggregate suffering and we will get to that next

01:05:42.540 oh that might actually make a whole other tract we'll do a whole other tract on that

01:05:47.740 oh that's a good idea useful stuff we need to write this down and think about it an hour now

01:05:52.800 won't that be fun yeah i mean remember while the bible tells you to be merciful it also says be

01:05:58.120 merciful just as your father is merciful and keep in mind that god did punish a guy by taking away

01:06:04.880 his title is king because he didn't kill literally everyone in a settlement even though he did kill

01:06:11.800 all the babies he did that part didn't kill everyone so whatever is meant by mercy here

01:06:17.780 is not the standard definition of mercy and that's worth meditating on as we go into this

01:06:22.500 next section love you simone i love you too

01:06:25.160 What do you think?

01:06:32.840 It's a dinosaur.

01:06:34.840 It's a dinosaur.

01:06:36.840 Can I think that's a vine?

01:06:38.840 I don't know.

01:06:40.840 What's going to happen, Indy?

Based Camp - June 10, 2026

We Need More Sins (Sins = Rules that Make Your Life Better)

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