Based Camp - September 19, 2024We're Done With Caring About the Environment
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Summary
In this episode, Simone and I talk about how much we hate the environment and why we should burn down the rainforest. We also talk about why we don't like environmentalism and why it's a bad idea.
Transcript
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Hello, Simone! Today we are going to be talking about how much I hate the environment.
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Burn it down, burn it down. I am so done with it. I am so done with dealing with environmentalists.
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All right, that does it! That damn stupid-ass rainforest! This place fucking sucks!
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I was wrong! Fuck the rainforest! I fucking hate it! I fucking hate it!
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When I came into all of this prenatalist stuff, I started being like, well, maybe we can find common ground.
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You know, obviously the environment matters, but, like, we should probably try to save humanity as well.
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Like, I really, and you know me, I tried to do a middle line.
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You, she got her undergraduate degree in environmental business, okay?
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Her first jobs were at companies like Earth Day Network and Acor and other environmentalist stuff.
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Like, we are not intrinsically antagonistic to environmentalism as a cause.
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But as time has gone on, my relation to environmentalism has dramatically changed, and it's been changing more, like, I'd even say over this year, where I am getting further and further to a standpoint of just the environment.
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We're clearing out big sections of the rainforest for a lumberyard.
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You go right ahead and plow down this whole fucking thing!
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And a lot of the stuff that environmentalists are going on and on about these days aren't even necessarily, like, an intrinsic negative for biodiversity, if that's what they're trying to protect.
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And that's one of the areas that we're going to get into in just a second.
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But I want to hear your thoughts before I move further.
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I think the big issue here is very similar to the bigger issues we constantly talk about with the urban monoculture, which is that we don't have anything inherently against the values that it proposes to espouse.
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We're not against people choosing to live how they want to live, which is sort of what, at least I grew up thinking, progressivism and being left was.
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The Marxism I didn't really know about, I guess.
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This is the same issue with environmentalism, where we are inherently in favor of sustainability, of biodiversity, of flourishing of life.
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The reason we don't like environmentalism is because it has been corrupted to the extent that it actively runs against the best interests of these causes.
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You only fight these causes because caring sells.
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Well, and we did another episode that focused on, like, environmentalists are the biggest threat to the environment.
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But I actually want to do more of a splitting here, where I used to be like, look, I'm against environmentalism because I don't think it actually helps the environment.
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Where now I've begun to move more and more into the perspective of I might just not care about saving the environment at all.
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There's a place called the rainforest that truly sucks ass.
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Let's knock it all down and get rid of it fast.
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Well, we're going to be doing that eventually anyway.
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So, like, if you look at global warming, first of all, you know, what do plants need to grow?
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I don't know if I'm allowed to say retarded now.
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No, you are not allowed to say it, but we say retarded because it's retarded to not say retarded.
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I don't know if I'm allowed to say gypped anymore, but I'm going to say gypped.
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It increases the amount of CO2 in the environment, and it increases the amount of warps that reaches the earth.
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The very thing that counteracts this phenomenon is what is being hypercharged by this phenomenon.
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Yeah, I've never seen more of an obvious negative feedback loop, like, in my life.
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And yet, environmentalists are like, oh, no, this is where you're going to get these positive feedback loops and everything like that.
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And I'm like, the thing environment is a negative feedback loop on this.
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But more than that, you know, you could even argue this is good for the environment, broadly speaking.
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You know, if you are looking at, you're going to get improved travel time in Arctic regions, which really matters for stuff like using less fuel and stuff like that for the big tanker ships and stuff.
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You're going to be able to use resources in those regions, which is good for humans.
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You're going to have less people dying from extreme cold exposure.
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Just in the United States, there's 1,300 deaths per year from extreme cold exposure.
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If we're talking about how much is growing going to be increased by this, if you're looking at cereal production, if we're using that as a proxy, in wealthier countries, global warming will increase it by 4% to 14%, but it may decrease by 6% to 7% in poorer countries.
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Now, when we also talk about global warming, and this is the thing that really gets me about all these conversations, right?
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So obviously, a very pro-global warming agenda organization, they argue that under very high emission scenario, global temperatures will increase by 3.3 to 5.7 C above pre-industrial levels by 2,100.
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And note, they're saying above pre-industrial levels, not above today's levels, right?
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And they're saying in the absolute worst case scenario, this is the RCP 8.5 scenario, you're looking at a 4.3 to 5.4 degree rise.
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And the question here is, what are we talking about?
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Like, what does this lead to in the absolute worst case scenario?
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There is no sane person who doesn't think that it'd be, the Earth has had radical climate shifts before, bigger than this.
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Yes, but if I may, there are a couple of things.
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One is, it's not just a change in temperature, it is the extent to which ice caps and temperature, ice caps melting, that is, and temperature change, perhaps a shift in the ocean currents that could cause very severe local climate changes.
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That mean that it's very difficult for all species, including humans, to adapt in those local environments, because suddenly the terms of their engagement have been very rapidly shifted and they don't have time.
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Which has happened before, global sea currents have shifted before.
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Yes, well, and humans have lived through ice ages before.
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We killed all those mammoths, got to get rid of them.
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If life on Earth was going to go extinct, or if humanity was at genuine risk of going extinct, that's something I'd come to the table for.
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But, you know, there's life on Earth that lives in conditions of, like, 251 degrees Fahrenheit, you know, at 122 degrees Celsius.
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Like, there are animals that are going to make it through this.
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No one who isn't, like, actually insane thinks that life is going extinct because of global warming.
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And then you can say, well, humans, like, human cities on coastlines and specific regional economies might be devastated by this, right?
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And then it's like, well, then what's your realistic effing alternative, my friend?
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Because when I look at things, like, you know, the parrots are like, reduce carbon emissions.
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And then COVID happens, and we ground all cars, and we ground all planes, and not all, but, you know, most.
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Like, I really couldn't imagine a more draconian standard being imposed on humanity realistically than what happened to the world during COVID.
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And we incrementally hit that year what was supposed to be our CO2 reduction every single year on top of that.
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We needed to keep all of those restrictions in place and add incrementally more over the course of 13 years to hit those standards.
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This shows me that any plan, and this is the thing that gets me and why it all looks so performative and ridiculous to me to reduce climate change that's focused on a reduction in carbon emissions.
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I'm like, like, like, like, voluntary, like, my use when somebody's like, oh, I didn't use X, or I didn't do Y, or I didn't Z because it reduces carbon emissions.
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I'm like, that doesn't effing matter, my friend.
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If you want to actually resolve this, you can either do it with carbon capture or potentially with, and I was talking with a guy today, which is really pro this, iron seeding the oceans.
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This is where you pour iron into the oceans to increase the production of gases.
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So there was a study done at MIT recently, and I'll read a quote from an MIT publication on this.
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If scientists were to widely fertilize the Southern Ocean or any other iron-depleted waters with iron, the effort would temporarily stimulate phytoplankton to grow and take up all the macronutrients available in that region.
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But eventually, there would be no macronutrients left to circulate to other regions like the North Atlantic, which depends on those macronutrients, along with iron from dust deposits for phytoplankton to grow.
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The net result would be an eventual decrease in phytoplankton in the North Atlantic and no significant increase in carbon dioxide drawdown globally.
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Now, what they would argue to counter that is they're like, well, actually, we know what happens when iron is released because there was a volcanic eruption that happened recently that led to a near net neutral year for carbon emissions.
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And so, they could just point to that and say, hey, look, we already have a natural experiment that shows that this works.
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And it's not even a fairly difficult thing to do for governments.
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You know, you go to the Philippines and you're increasing fishery output in the region.
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Like, regionally, this isn't a hard thing to do.
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So, like, why aren't environmentalists trying this?
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It's like some weird, aesthetic battle for them, which I'll get to in a second.
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And why, remind me, or maybe you don't know, why not the atmospheric blanketing of, what was it, like, carbon or smoke or something else?
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That's the other thing I've heard of as an intervention.
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And some countries may start doing that if they feel like their local economies are at risk.
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It's the major premise of one environmental justice fiction sci-fi book where this renegade group just does it on their own, which, by the way, you could totally do.
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But nobody's doing it because it's not a real threat to them.
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Yeah, that's the problem, is there are actually renegade things.
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If you're flying over international waters, you could probably get away with stuff like this.
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If you're just dumping iron in the ocean, who's going to tell?
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What's some iron when we have the Pacific gyre?
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I mean, by the way, the iron dumping models right now suggest one ton of iron could remove 30,000 to 110,000 tons of carbon from the air.
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Let's say you and I just get so pissed, performative environmentalists, that we just do it.
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Am I going to supplement stores and buying iron supplements?
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Like, what is the format that is necessary to make this work?
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I'm actually kind of thinking about, like, just having the prenatalist movie.
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We could also solve things like malaria fairly easily as well.
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What they're doing is disastrous things like these mosquito nets, which then people are
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using as fishing nets and is just completely destroying.
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Yeah, but the malaria solution is more difficult.
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But that genetic thing where you modify mosquitoes with, it's sort of like a genetic time bomb
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And after a number of generations, it breeds into other mosquitoes.
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And then they basically, an entire population can become sterile at once.
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And the reason why, or not able to transmit malaria.
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And the reason why people are afraid to do this is they're like, well, what if it affects
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And if you look at the number of people dying per year, and I'll add this in post, it's
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The other lady in this call I was talking to, when I was talking with these environmentalists,
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Because I'm like, well, my dream, like what I'm fighting for is an interplanetary empire.
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I want them on planets and asteroids and floating ships.
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And I think that this hand wringing over our existing environmental circumstances is going
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In a thousand years, when our descendants are managing like maybe billions of biomes, depending
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on how quickly humanity through AI is able to colonize the universe.
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And they're going to be like, I cannot believe they were like really focused on like keeping
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the earth's original biome from changing at all in the 20th century.
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And she was like, well, what if we, she's like, we'll run out of energy.
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And I was like, how are we going to run out of energy?
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Like, and, and nuclear is not limited by its fuel sources, limited by the incompetence
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And now you've got micronuclear, like that's not even, and then she's like, well, I hear
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that a lot of those technologies rely on plastics, which relies on oil.
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And I'm like, okay, lady, you know, that they don't have to be plastic.
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The reason why they're plastic is because oil is so insanely inexpensive that I can buy
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oil at a per gallon price, less than milk, like a fully renewable resource that's coming
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from a local vendor and oil is, it's like being dragged up from the center of the earth
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This is a bit like saying, well, you know, a native, Native American tribe that like built
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And they're like, well, but if the Buffalo go extinct, like, where are we going to get
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And I'm like, they're made from Buffalo bones because your civilization is built around Buffalo.
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We're, we make everything with plastic because our civilization is built around oil, but like
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the degree to which governments don't care about oil now, like look at Venezuela right
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Like this is a country where plausibly any developed country could go in and take over the government
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with like humanitarian needs and capture like one of the largest oil reserves on earth.
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And, but nobody is, nobody is, even though they have the perfect Casabelli because they
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My bigger issue is the extent to which environmentalism as a modern movement is tied to not having things
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change, which is one of the least pro environment, pro nature things you could imagine.
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The only thing that is natural is the fact that environments, species, ecosystems evolve and
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And this concept of trying to keep it the same and that changes are bad is laughable, but
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also the most anthropogenic, whatever that word is, the most human oriented thing possible.
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It's us trying to impose our discomfort with change upon the entire natural order of not
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How myopic and selfish as a species can you be?
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And then you, you pretend to be the one that favors natural stuff.
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That's another thing that turned me away from the movement.
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You see this all the time in the movement where they're like, oh, we can't, we've got to
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reintroduce the species of wolf to this region because like they were here historically, but
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like since then, a species of coyote has evolved to become much larger and take on the ecological
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And they're like, no, like the, the aesthetic perfection of this environment when it first
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encountered humanity, that must be maintained and not allowed to evolve or differentiate.
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And, and you really see this, this belief, because when I was talking to them, I was
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like, at the end of the day, like, what are you fighting for?
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Then the only thing that matters is humanity getting off planet and beginning to see new
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ecosystems, because that's going to lead to much bigger biodiversity.
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Any short-term collapse in environmental, in, in biodiversity due to global warming is irrelevant
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You know, we have had mass extinctions before you look at the great oxidation of it.
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We've had species cause mass extinctions before.
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We don't even, we don't even get the claim of that.
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And, and, and biodiversity will eventually return to earth, even if there is a temporary reduction.
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So the questions at play here, if what you value is biodiversity is only how quickly can
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we get to other planets and is humanity going to go extinct?
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And then outside of biodiversity, what are they fighting for?
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It's an aesthetic of what the earth in the environment was like when humanity first started
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Like you want to save all the pretty flowers, but I don't care anymore.
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Just make, make new ones, make, make new flowers.
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And of course, a lot of these are the same people who are against genetically modifying
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And, and yet that's done to make hunger, not an issue.
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And these people are also saying, oh, but we can't have more people because there will
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But of course, don't modify the plants to increase crop yields.
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One of the people was like going on about like carrying capacity.
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And I was like, what do you mean carrying capacity?
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You know that the Netherlands produces a third of the agricultural exports of the United
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States, the Netherlands, this little bitty, itty bitty, nothing of a country.
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And in post, I'll try to add like what percentage of the U.S. landmass it is.
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So if this graph is to be believed, I am wrong.
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And the Netherlands actually exports half of the agricultural products that the U.S.
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does, as this would have it exporting 5% of the global food supply in the U.S., exporting
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But whatever the case may be, when you look at landmass, the United States is literally
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And keep in mind that 20% of the Netherlands land is reclaimed land that is only being kept
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dry by the use of constant pumps and big civil works projects from the ocean.
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Where most of this landmass is reclaimed anyway from the ocean using like constant like pumps
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They're both giving us all our food and helping us lose all our weight.
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Yeah, carrying capacity is, she's talking about Olympic here, is determined by technology.
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It is not determined by the amount of land on Earth, okay, that is laughable at this point.
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And we know it's laughable at this point since the Green Revolution.
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But I want to talk about like, what other like weird ethical argument could they have here?
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So I've heard some arguments around like, and this is-
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I am genuinely concerned about the human suffering that will be caused by climate change in areas
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Where we will have humanitarian crises, we will have mass immigration, we'll have refugees of places
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that are too hot to live, where, you know, infrastructure will fail because of changes in the environment,
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because of extreme heat, where people will die.
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And because that is an inevitable part of existing, I think what we really should be doing is anticipating those risks
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and addressing them immediately, because trying to prevent them from happening is not realistic.
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And if you want to do that, then dump iron into the ocean, we really have to look into this.
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Yeah, well, and here's the thing, even if somebody was telling me, like they knew or could predict
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a total ecosystem collapse, it just, it's like, then we've got to find out how to live in a world
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And environmentalists, they're like, you can't do that for most of humanity.
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And I'm like, I don't care about most of humanity.
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I care about the, you know, the technophilic, pluralistic alliance that is the pronatalist
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I'm not here to save the urban monoculture or like random other people.
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I don't have this noble, savage archetype where I need to paternalistically come in and save
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I need to ask myself, can my descendants, if they stay very high-tech focused, if they stay
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very industrially productive, are they going to be able to produce the types of habitats
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that could survive even with like a, what is it, like a methane runaway scenario in terms
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They'll figure out how to build something underground where they're growing fungus or
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something, or they'll figure out how to, they'll figure it out.
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Okay, there, there, there are ways for humanity to survive.
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And then eventually when they do figure it out in the longterm, they reestablish our current
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I think those really matter or, you know, maintaining a genetic supply of like pre-augmentation
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Because I do think that in the future, a lot of the plants in nature are going to be augmented.
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But I also think that we should begin creating large genetic databases of the earth's existing
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biome so that parts of it can be used when we're creating new biomes on other planets,
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or potentially even the whole thing can be used in the future, because that's what we're
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really losing when we lose a species is just a unique DNA of that species.
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But that's something that we can catalog and then recreate with a fabricator in the future.
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You know, we're, we're already at a place now where people are beginning to talk about
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like recreating, like some extinct species, like mammoths and stuff like that.
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Another thing that bothers me about environmentalism in general or environmentalists is this, this
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perception that nature is gentle and kind and man has been, well, we would argue pretty
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much all living species are in an ongoing battle with nature, just trying to not get killed
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Nature has been trying to kill us on a daily basis since we crawled from the mud.
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And it is this weird Stockholm syndrome that some people have formed was nature.
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I don't think it's Stockholm syndrome because that, that even involves exposure and adjustment
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adaptation, most of us wouldn't last more than two days and a, an even slightly hostile
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natural environment with no access to other people or resources.
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It is very, very difficult to survive in the wild, especially without any experience doing
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And, and I think we take for granted the luxuries that we enjoy from civilization and
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to just shit on them and act as though everything that we've evolved, everything we've developed, our
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technology, and even you and I complain about industrialization.
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You know, it's obviously caused some unexpected effects and we haven't built about industrialization.
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Well, we, we, we, we point out that industrialization sparked the beginning of demographic collapse, but
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So I, well, all I'm saying is we're not worshiping modernity and human development as an unambiguously
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I think industrialization is, is, is intrinsically one of the most net good things that humanity
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I think that the creation of our existing civilization and industry is the manifestation of everything
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I mean, if we talk about like spiral energy and anti-spiral energy, where spiral energy
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represents humanity uplifting itself from the, our savage days as beasts and the environmentalists,
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the, the, the, the nature representing this force attempting to pull us down and subjugate
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Industrialization represents the very platform upon which we were able to uplift ourselves from
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And even when develops have developments have unexpected side effects, you don't want to
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I'm the same way about human technology, industrialization, evolution.
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I'm the same way about the natural world and environment evolving and developing.
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They may have unexpected side effects, but overall it is the process of change and time proceeding.
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But I do as a human who cares about other humans and as a mother and as a wife and as a daughter
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care about in general, the wellbeing of other people.
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And I don't like scenarios in which humans suffer.
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Again, no matter what going forwards, the humans who can survive a climate change scenario
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were populations that weren't going to survive anyway.
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If they didn't die in this generation or in the generation that's affected by climate
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change, they would have died a few generations from then.
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And when I say that they don't matter, what I mean is some groups are just going to die
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That doesn't mean it's okay that they suffer to me.
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Well, you can start passing out cyanide pills in these regions.
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Like one of those things they give when there's like a nuclear apocalypse where you just, are
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you just dropping them from airplanes over regions, making it super easy?
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I think the plan is to set up incentives that draw people away from regions that are going
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to be profoundly affected by these issues and to try to depopulate them and move people
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in other directions as soon as possible, maybe set up immigration and migration treaties ahead
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So people have an out if they're willing to take it.
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Well, yeah, but demographic collapse is going to make that happen organically.
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Well, and I guess like to your, to your point, a lot of this will probably look like a, an
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Irish potato famine issue where yes, a lot actually will emigrate away and with great
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And some will refuse to deal with change because again, it's a very inherently human thing to
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not be comfortable with change and they will flounder and die in these regions and in large
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I should note, I don't have an intrinsic like antagonism towards the nature.
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I believe that we are now in like nature 2.0 nature is red in tooth and claw.
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Nature is an environment where, uh, improvement occurs through a competition.
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And I see that we are just now in the next iteration of that, but that doesn't mean that
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nature didn't cruelly kill a near countless number of our ancestors in, in, in ways that,
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You know, like, Oh, Oh, say, you know, I don't know.
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With all of this, one of the things where my position internally has been changing over
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time, you know, as, as I learn more and I don't know if I'm all the way there yet is,
00:31:57.360
There's there are arguably, you know, so I had a conversation with a guy, millions of
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You can do or you, so, so you, you, you may say that, right.
00:32:12.360
But I'm going to give you, so I had a conversation with a guy and I'm just going to repeat what
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Cause I don't fully understand the physics of all of his arguments, but this guy is very
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famous, like a person who, no, I'm not going to like out him so that people can know him.
00:32:25.500
I'm just saying a lot of people are very famous and they don't tell the truth.
00:32:28.960
So this is an individual who very clearly believes this very successful engineer.
00:32:36.500
And it's, it's, if anyone who's jumping in, no, it's not this, this one was actually introduced
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to by Ruby art, but anyway, he points out that, you know, we see in a historic period,
00:32:46.900
like in Roman Britain, they were growing grapes.
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That means that it was warm during that period.
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Like the warmer than it is today, significantly, we see farming in Iceland 23,000 years ago.
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Like that means it was warmer than it is today.
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So if you listen to the climate change activists today, they say we are in like the hottest timeline
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But that's just because they have no concept of what climate change is on a larger scale.
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But as you've pointed out, it was warmer and colder in some regions in the past than it
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If in recent human history, the earth has been warmer than it is today.
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This undermines one of the core arguments where you could say, actually, we just have a fairly
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recent increase in global temperatures along a up and down line that you've seen historically.
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And so he makes a point to me that greenhouses only work, like if you're looking at a greenhouse
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Gases rise when hot and heat moves by convection.
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The relaxation time of carbon dioxide, the transfer time out of the system is apparently
00:34:20.120
So he gave me a paper that I'll put on screen here from Richard Feynman.
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And it's titled The Feynman Lectures on Physics, Volume 1, Chapter 40, The Principles of Statistical
00:34:30.140
And so he says that there is no such thing as like a greenhouse environmental thing, because
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heat moves by radiation, conduction, and convection, and greenhouses trap the air by the dirt with
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My read of his argument, although I personally don't fully understand the physics here, is
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that heat transfer between the atmosphere and outer space would not be particularly hindered
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by the gravity that keeps the atmosphere near Earth.
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When I try to research this, what I get is that heat can only transfer to outer space through
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It can't travel to space through convection because there is no medium in outer space.
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But that radiation is the fastest means of heat transfer.
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So you shouldn't have the same level of hindrance you would have within a normal greenhouse environment,
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i.e. like a glass structure meant to keep air near the ground.
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And I'd really love one of our autistic listeners to explain whether he's right or not.
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Sorry, I say autistic listeners not to disparage the listeners of this show, but like, let's
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be honest here, to explain to me whether or not this is right.
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And that CO2 absorbs infrared radiation, but re-emits it quickly at about the same wavelength.
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This is called the relaxation time, and it's about a few nanoseconds.
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The energy goes from the dirt to outer space in about four milliseconds.
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For 500 million years, it's been much warmer and CO2 has been much higher.
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We are in a period now that is a CO2 minimum, not a CO2 maximum.
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And then he says here, for example, Venus outgassed the same amount of CO2 as Earth, but since
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there's no life for carbon capture, it's all just a very dense atmosphere.
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The limestone beds worldwide on Earth hold all the CO2.
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So I, again, the thing that I don't really exactly understand is relaxation time of CO2.
00:36:34.840
And does this really mean that heat can transfer really quickly from Earth to the outer atmosphere?
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And again, I want to be clear, I am not endorsing this theory.
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It's just a theory I hadn't heard before, told to me from a person who has made a lot
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of money in the engineering and physical sciences space, so appears to practically know what
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So I wanted to share this information to maybe get feedback from our audience to understand
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What I can say is I do believe that we're in an ecosystem now where if all of this were
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true, that the powers that be wouldn't let us know it.
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And that's one of the big problems that they've created by creating this entire global censorship
00:37:20.180
network that's probably going to be hitting this episode with an explanation of global
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But no, no, no, no, no, they dropped the concept of global warming and greenhouse gases when
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It has been climate change for the longest time.
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I just used Black Forest Labs to create a cartoon showing an anthropomorphized carbon dioxide
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Simone, why does CO2, explain, explain, because I don't understand this.
00:38:01.520
If you're saying that nobody cares about greenhouse gases anymore, why this carbon capture stuff,
00:38:09.440
Because there are two elements to the environmental movement.
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One is an element that's actually concerned about the outcome.
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And then the other is the element that is performative.
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And the performative element is not necessarily evidence-based.
00:38:27.640
I don't think it's necessarily looking at reality.
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And it certainly hasn't caught up with the fact that the narrative changing to global climate
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change means that we need to stop looking at greenhouse gases.
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Because what are humans doing that's bad and evil?
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Well, we are sinning in the form of creating carbon, in producing a carbon footprint.
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We don't have children who can produce more carbon footprints.
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It really is like this sin-based ecosystem of the way we relate to the environment.
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But what I'm just saying is the fact that the carbon obsession not really making sense necessarily
00:39:33.400
Now, I could see maybe there an argument being made for an increase or acceleration of carbon
00:39:40.240
output, increasing the speed with which polar ice caps melt is one of the primary drivers
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behind increased risk of global ocean currents changing, which would in turn exacerbate climate
00:40:01.320
And people are like, well, what about all the people who live near the shore?
00:40:11.180
The economic model that cities are built on doesn't work in a world of population collapse.
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They're going to be abandoned anyways within our lifetime.
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That would be an interesting policy is to prepare for demographic collapse, just effectively
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shut down coastal cities by no longer allowing for mortgages or debt to be leveraged or insurance
00:40:52.240
It's about being at risk of like hurricane surges.
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So just, you know, we can actually deal with sea level rise.
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The Netherlands has reclaimed like a third of their country or something like that.
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The Dutch polders are the largest land reclamation projects in the world, which added nearly 20%
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of land to the country, and its fertile land makes the Netherlands the second largest exporter
00:41:19.280
A large dike was constructed to block seawater from flooding into the inner regions of the
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We're going to look at how parts of the inland water area was drained and turned into fertile
00:41:32.700
Ever since the 16th century, large areas of land have been reclaimed from the sea and
00:41:37.320
lakes, amounting to over 50% of the country's current land area, if you include every lake
00:41:44.760
Oh, and I watched this great YouTube video on how Venice was actually settled.
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I mean, it was a marshland to start that people fled to on boats, and it was sort of a temporary
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And it was extremely, extremely waterlogged and marshy.
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And everything that they built there was basically on top of waterlogged mud piles.
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It was not, there was never land there that started to sink, basically.
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Everything they built there was built in a very unique and fascinating way.
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I'll dig up this video and share it with you, because it's a great thing to link to.
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It was absolutely fascinating to watch the architecture of Venice.
00:42:21.720
Even though when the first refugees arrived to start their new lives on the islands, they
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The small marshy islands were made of an incredibly soft clay, which would barely hold the weight
00:42:35.380
To create stable foundations for buildings, the Venetians collected large timber piles from the
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forests of Croatia and started hammering them into the ground.
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Not only did this stabilize the piles, but by packing them really close together, it compressed
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the surrounding clay, pushing out the water and making it much stronger.
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Once the piles were firmly in the ground, the tops were cut off and wooden planks were laid
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Special blocks of Istrian stone were then placed to raise the foundations above the water.
00:43:08.060
This design was a stroke of genius, as the wooden piles were sealed away from the air,
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To this day, almost all of the original piles are in great condition and are still holding
00:43:22.560
The way that the buildings had to be built to fluctuate with the movement associated with
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being built on such unsturdy foundations and built in a really ingenious way.
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But anyway, even Venice is built on flooded ground that is unstable.
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And of course, we can build on all sorts of other environments.
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Here's another reason why I think Venice is so cool.
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And it very much fits our whole city-state concept, is here you have another place where
00:43:53.100
humans had to develop a settlement in an extremely hostile environment that was not meant for
00:44:01.220
And when you force people to deal with these constraints, amazing innovation starts taking
00:44:07.280
When you present humans with a challenge, they rise to it.
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And again, that's one of the fundamental problems facing many people in our society now.
00:44:20.020
But the point is that our big problem now is life is too easy.
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And I think a lot of people that honestly aren't surviving right now, they are barely scraping
00:44:37.940
These people could actually thrive if presented with meaningful challenge, if their lives were threatened,
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if they had to build a new civilization in marshland because they were being forced to be like
00:44:53.800
If we got into a federal office, I love this idea.
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One crazy person's environmental policy to not allow for coastal development anymore.
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Because both conservatives and progressives would love it.
00:45:10.940
So what you are passing is a policy that says, for environmentalist reasons, right?
00:45:18.260
We need to pass a ban on taking out debt and real estate in areas that are adjacent to
00:45:37.460
Because it basically makes all progressive districts non-viable in the United States, except
00:45:45.960
Well, then progressives would never stand for it if they knew that that was the effect
00:45:55.920
But they don't actually care about stuff that helps the environment.
00:45:58.380
You don't think Manhattan would vote on something that is economically not in their
00:46:02.820
best interest if it fit the progressive religion?
00:46:06.280
Manhattan would 100% not vote for it because they're dependent on insurance and they're dependent
00:46:15.960
That obviously is going to make their city non-livable in a few years, whether it's the
00:46:20.660
way they deal with repeat offenders of crimes, whether it's the way they deal with homeless
00:46:24.900
people, whether it's the way they deal with immigrants, like all of their policies are
00:46:29.580
like, obviously this is going to economically destroy the city.
00:46:35.080
Why not just sink the whole thing to begin with?
00:46:39.480
You say save the rainforest, but what do you know?
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There'll be no more rainforest left in the entire world.
00:47:16.380
It's going to be therapy for me because I just had to talk with the most useless environmentalist.
00:47:22.440
And he was, he was going on and we'll go over this in the episode about iron seating.
00:47:28.700
And he was like, why, you know, so we could fix global warming because he believes 100% in the technology, right?
00:47:36.760
And I was like, then why are we having this conversation?
00:47:39.640
Like, why are you taking my time to talk about this?
00:47:43.140
And he goes, well, if we do fix global warming, it's going to have a lot of impacts on how you can promote pronatalism because more people will want kids if they don't think the future is going to be destroyed.
00:47:51.880
I'm like, one, I don't think like, yeah, one, not true, actually not having kids because of climate change.
00:47:57.120
I think that's an excuse people use to try to make themselves look virtuous when they've decided not to have kids for selfish reasons, but, or just lack of action reasons.
00:48:08.320
Like you want to, because then he was like, and we need to have another, why would we have that conversation?
00:48:14.320
There's no point in wasting my time with these hypotheticals.
00:48:20.020
But like, we're now at like, what, like 120 people watching us at any given time, day or night, right?
00:48:27.060
So when somebody like tries to monopolize my time like that, it just boils my blood because I'm like, okay, there's 120 other people that right now at any given time I should be working to make better episodes for.
00:48:40.340
Who, you know, are not, you know, trying to convince me of their little project that's probably not going to happen anyway.
00:48:48.580
But anyway, all right, so we'll get started on the episode here.
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But I'm sure you ran into this all the time when you were dealing with climate change people.
00:48:56.520
You know, when dealing with climate change people, this did not ever come up as an issue because so much of it felt like that.
00:49:05.700
If you are interacting with other people on climate change issues, it is often because you are a performative person interacting with performative people.
00:49:16.340
Everyone in climate change who's actually doing something isn't interacting with other climate change people.
00:49:23.420
They are Elon Musk deciding, okay, climate change is an issue.
00:49:32.400
And of course, all environmentalists seem to hate him now.
00:49:39.380
And therefore, this is not something that actually bothers people who identify as environmentalists because.
00:49:48.040
This is a topic we've thought about doing an episode on at some point, but about the effect of altruists and why the left hates them so much.
00:49:54.380
Because all they want to do, I mean, they capitulate on every left-wing issue, right?
00:50:02.760
And it's like, well, of course they do because they're the people who come into a room and say, okay, we need to focus on, you know, X, Y, and Z issue by the statistics in terms of like net utility impact.
00:50:15.940
And then the leftists are there, but like, but this year it's racism year.
00:50:19.440
Like, don't you know immigrants are the thing right now?
00:50:23.280
Don't you know, that's really the way it fucking goes.
00:50:27.460
It's like this year, it's X year and we're going to do X.
00:50:31.000
And, and if you're off topic, you're off topic.
00:50:33.400
Like, God forbid, you know, during BLM, you're like, well, what about trans people?
00:50:43.900
There was actually some quotes I heard of like lefties who were mortified that like trans rights activists were saying trans lives matter.
00:50:50.680
Because like, they stole this like blackface and it's BLM season right now.
00:51:01.900
You can't be talking about anything but Cammie.
00:51:04.140
You can't be talking about anything but Cammie.
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None of this environmental nonsense this summer.
00:51:12.000
I'm trying to, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm working double time for her PR team, trying to, you know, get it spicy here.
00:51:18.580
Got to get, get Cammie and brat summer and hitting it up at the club.
00:51:25.960
We're, we're entering dangerously on cool zone right now.
00:51:29.480
Well, no, the thing that got me about the debate was how much Trump, and this was like, he was out of character for doing this.
00:51:37.140
But like, he just seemed like a beleaguered person actually trying to make politics work.
00:51:42.820
And she seemed like the most, Ooh, now I get to do branding thing.
00:51:46.520
You know, the, the, the really sad, like watching them talk about abortion to me, just killed me when she's like, I'm going to do X and Y.
00:51:55.100
And Trump is like, you need, you only have 50% of the elect of, of, of, of, of Congress or the Senate about at any given time.
00:52:03.720
Like there's no way you could pass a national abortion law, even if you had it like, like you wanted to, like, what are you talking about?
00:52:13.220
And just that Trump was here occupying like the real world.
00:52:16.760
And she was out here just like fantasizing about like fake political promise nonsense stuff.
00:52:22.560
I was like, where have we gone for like, I'm going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it to, you couldn't possibly get that passed.
00:52:31.340
Did you know that it's a 50% on each side of the aisle?
00:52:35.540
And that's, what's at play here is what wins now is punchy narratives.
00:52:41.180
And now I think Democrats have learned from that method and they're saying, okay, if that's how we play now, that's how we play.
00:52:50.220
Brad summer vibes, no substance, only ideas, national abortion ban, Trump is evil and it works.
00:53:01.060
Well, I think what realistically is going to happen is, you know, I think that people vote Dem in the same way they buy games like Concord and stuff like that.
00:53:10.520
And that's the big question for the upcoming election in the United States.
00:53:17.560
But I mean, we're basically at a point now where, because of, you know, and it's funny that I can say this without any trouble, erection fraud.
00:53:25.120
There's just too many problems with male penises and erections and fraud around that at the moment.
00:53:30.320
Because you used to like hardcore believe it wasn't a real thing.
00:53:33.900
And now that you've gotten more into the political system, you're like, oh God, it's actually happening at massive levels.
00:53:39.220
Because I'm having a harder time believing that we don't have any erection problems in our country at this time.
00:53:51.140
We need to talk about this country's erection problems.
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And we're not going to be allowed to on YouTube, God forbid.
00:53:55.620
That's the type of thing that gets your channel taken down when you point out that part of the little game that they're playing.