Based Camp - We're Done With Caring About the Environment

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone! Today we are going to be talking about how much I hate the environment.

00:00:06.120 Burn it down, burn it down. I am so done with it. I am so done with dealing with environmentalists. 0.98

00:00:12.580 All right, that does it! That damn stupid-ass rainforest! This place fucking sucks! 1.00

00:00:19.060 I was wrong! Fuck the rainforest! I fucking hate it! I fucking hate it! 1.00

00:00:23.200 Oh, now she figures it out. 1.00

00:00:24.220 When I came into all of this prenatalist stuff, I started being like, well, maybe we can find common ground.

00:00:31.640 You know, obviously the environment matters, but, like, we should probably try to save humanity as well.

00:00:38.360 Quick! Everybody help the children! 0.99

00:00:46.900 Dude! Bulldozers rule! 1.00

00:00:48.380 Come on! Let's get you back to civilization! 0.92

00:00:50.420 Hooray! Hooray, children!

00:00:52.480 Like, I really, and you know me, I tried to do a middle line.

00:00:56.460 You, she got her undergraduate degree in environmental business, okay?

00:01:01.880 It was one of these created degrees.

00:01:04.180 Her first jobs were at companies like Earth Day Network and Acor and other environmentalist stuff.

00:01:12.180 Like, we are not intrinsically antagonistic to environmentalism as a cause.

00:01:19.540 But as time has gone on, my relation to environmentalism has dramatically changed, and it's been changing more, like, I'd even say over this year, where I am getting further and further to a standpoint of just the environment.

00:01:36.840 Like, I'm done.

00:01:38.060 We don't need to save it.

00:01:39.480 We don't need it for humanity to survive.

00:01:41.320 We're clearing out big sections of the rainforest for a lumberyard.

00:01:45.260 Really?

00:01:45.780 That's great!

00:01:47.020 You mean you don't mind?

00:01:48.240 No!

00:01:48.760 I hate the rainforest! 1.00

00:01:49.920 You go right ahead and plow down this whole fucking thing! 1.00

00:01:52.800 That's swell! 0.99

00:01:53.560 And a lot of the stuff that environmentalists are going on and on about these days aren't even necessarily, like, an intrinsic negative for biodiversity, if that's what they're trying to protect.

00:02:06.600 And that's one of the areas that we're going to get into in just a second.

00:02:08.660 But I want to hear your thoughts before I move further.

00:02:10.040 Yeah, I struggle a lot with this.

00:02:14.380 I think the big issue here is very similar to the bigger issues we constantly talk about with the urban monoculture, which is that we don't have anything inherently against the values that it proposes to espouse.

00:02:26.220 We are not against LGBTQ rights.

00:02:29.140 We're not against personal liberty.

00:02:31.440 We're not against freedom of choice.

00:02:33.400 We're not against people choosing to live how they want to live, which is sort of what, at least I grew up thinking, progressivism and being left was.

00:02:41.300 The Marxism I didn't really know about, I guess.

00:02:44.680 This is the same issue with environmentalism, where we are inherently in favor of sustainability, of biodiversity, of flourishing of life.

00:02:56.660 The reason we don't like environmentalism is because it has been corrupted to the extent that it actively runs against the best interests of these causes.

00:03:06.560 You only fight these causes because caring sells. 1.00

00:03:10.140 All you activists can go fuck yourselves. 1.00

00:03:13.500 That was so inspiring. 1.00

00:03:14.960 What a wonderful message.

00:03:16.640 Yeah.

00:03:17.080 Well, and we did another episode that focused on, like, environmentalists are the biggest threat to the environment.

00:03:20.920 But I actually want to do more of a splitting here, where I used to be like, look, I'm against environmentalism because I don't think it actually helps the environment.

00:03:29.720 Where now I've begun to move more and more into the perspective of I might just not care about saving the environment at all. 0.99

00:03:41.520 There's a place called the rainforest that truly sucks ass. 0.99

00:03:45.220 Let's knock it all down and get rid of it fast. 1.00

00:03:48.140 You know, I don't-

00:03:50.400 Wait, just screw the earth.

00:03:52.000 I'm going off the planet.

00:03:53.940 Well, we're going to be doing that eventually anyway.

00:03:57.200 So, okay, I'll get into some specifics here.

00:03:59.500 So, like, if you look at global warming, first of all, you know, what do plants need to grow?

00:04:05.540 Global climate change.

00:04:06.720 Global climate change.

00:04:08.300 Right?

00:04:09.040 Whatever the new piece is.

00:04:10.280 Do we call it warming now?

00:04:11.260 We call it climate change.

00:04:12.440 I don't know.

00:04:12.900 I don't know.

00:04:13.900 I don't know if I'm allowed to say retarded now.

00:04:16.580 It feels like I kind of-

00:04:17.460 We're doing the hard R, but it is- 0.94

00:04:19.120 No, you are not allowed to say it, but we say retarded because it's retarded to not say retarded. 0.96

00:04:25.300 Yes. 0.98

00:04:26.440 Yes.

00:04:27.100 And- 0.97

00:04:27.600 Don't be gay about it. 0.99

00:04:28.880 Okay? 0.98

00:04:29.420 It was climate change, right?

00:04:30.560 I don't know if I'm allowed to say gypped anymore, but I'm going to say gypped. 1.00

00:04:34.920 So, here's the thing.

00:04:36.260 Global climate change.

00:04:37.420 Global climate, whatever.

00:04:38.580 Right?

00:04:38.740 What's it do?

00:04:40.600 It increases the amount of CO2 in the environment, and it increases the amount of warps that reaches the earth.

00:04:49.660 And what do plants need?

00:04:52.660 What do rainforests need?

00:04:54.360 They need CO2.

00:04:56.960 You're just like hypercharging photosynthesis.

00:04:59.180 The very thing that counteracts this phenomenon is what is being hypercharged by this phenomenon.

00:05:06.360 So, you're saying, you're welcome, trees.

00:05:09.200 Yeah, I've never seen more of an obvious negative feedback loop, like, in my life.

00:05:13.840 And yet, environmentalists are like, oh, no, this is where you're going to get these positive feedback loops and everything like that.

00:05:18.640 And I'm like, the thing environment is a negative feedback loop on this.

00:05:23.180 But more than that, you know, you could even argue this is good for the environment, broadly speaking.

00:05:28.940 And we'll get into the specifics of that.

00:05:30.600 But it's also good for humans.

00:05:31.560 You know, if you are looking at, you're going to get improved travel time in Arctic regions, which really matters for stuff like using less fuel and stuff like that for the big tanker ships and stuff.

00:05:43.340 You're going to be able to use resources in those regions, which is good for humans.

00:05:48.140 You're going to have less people dying from extreme cold exposure.

00:05:53.260 Just in the United States, there's 1,300 deaths per year from extreme cold exposure.

00:05:58.460 That's from 2006 to 2010.

00:06:00.240 If we're talking about how much is growing going to be increased by this, if you're looking at cereal production, if we're using that as a proxy, in wealthier countries, global warming will increase it by 4% to 14%, but it may decrease by 6% to 7% in poorer countries.

00:06:16.800 Now, when we also talk about global warming, and this is the thing that really gets me about all these conversations, right?

00:06:22.460 So here I am looking at climate.gov.

00:06:25.320 So obviously, a very pro-global warming agenda organization, they argue that under very high emission scenario, global temperatures will increase by 3.3 to 5.7 C above pre-industrial levels by 2,100.

00:06:43.060 And note, they're saying above pre-industrial levels, not above today's levels, right?

00:06:47.080 And they're saying in the absolute worst case scenario, this is the RCP 8.5 scenario, you're looking at a 4.3 to 5.4 degree rise.

00:06:59.760 And the question here is, what are we talking about?

00:07:04.140 Like, what does this lead to in the absolute worst case scenario?

00:07:07.640 A temporary decrease in Earth's biodiversity.

00:07:11.900 That is it.

00:07:14.260 That is all we are talking about.

00:07:16.820 Yeah, well, well.

00:07:18.460 And temporary.

00:07:19.620 There is no sane person who doesn't think that it'd be, the Earth has had radical climate shifts before, bigger than this.

00:07:27.060 The Earth has had mass extinctions before.

00:07:30.520 Yes, but if I may, there are a couple of things.

00:07:33.760 One is, it's not just a change in temperature, it is the extent to which ice caps and temperature, ice caps melting, that is, and temperature change, perhaps a shift in the ocean currents that could cause very severe local climate changes.

00:07:51.900 That mean that it's very difficult for all species, including humans, to adapt in those local environments, because suddenly the terms of their engagement have been very rapidly shifted and they don't have time.

00:08:04.800 Which has happened before, global sea currents have shifted before.

00:08:08.520 Yes, well, and humans have lived through ice ages before.

00:08:12.080 So, and we loved it, man. 0.98

00:08:13.600 We killed all those mammoths, got to get rid of them. 1.00

00:08:15.940 Giant sloths, fuck you guys. 1.00

00:08:18.020 But, it is a big deal. 1.00

00:08:22.340 Okay, it's not just a little warmer.

00:08:24.840 Things can change pretty significantly.

00:08:26.820 No, but hold on, hold on.

00:08:28.040 In what way?

00:08:29.280 So, like, let's talk about big deals, right?

00:08:31.480 If life on Earth was going to go extinct, or if humanity was at genuine risk of going extinct, that's something I'd come to the table for.

00:08:39.480 But, you know, there's life on Earth that lives in conditions of, like, 251 degrees Fahrenheit, you know, at 122 degrees Celsius.

00:08:49.440 Like, there are animals that are going to make it through this.

00:08:53.480 No one who isn't, like, actually insane thinks that life is going extinct because of global warming.

00:08:59.760 And then you can say, well, humans, like, human cities on coastlines and specific regional economies might be devastated by this, right?

00:09:09.540 And then it's like, well, then what's your realistic effing alternative, my friend?

00:09:15.100 Because when I look at things, like, you know, the parrots are like, reduce carbon emissions.

00:09:20.860 Reduce carbon emissions.

00:09:22.000 And then COVID happens, and we ground all cars, and we ground all planes, and not all, but, you know, most.

00:09:30.620 Like, I really couldn't imagine a more draconian standard being imposed on humanity realistically than what happened to the world during COVID.

00:09:38.440 And we incrementally hit that year what was supposed to be our CO2 reduction every single year on top of that.

00:09:47.460 We needed to keep all of those restrictions in place and add incrementally more over the course of 13 years to hit those standards.

00:09:56.500 This shows me that any plan, and this is the thing that gets me and why it all looks so performative and ridiculous to me to reduce climate change that's focused on a reduction in carbon emissions.

00:10:09.040 I'm like, like, like, like, voluntary, like, my use when somebody's like, oh, I didn't use X, or I didn't do Y, or I didn't Z because it reduces carbon emissions.

00:10:19.200 I'm like, that doesn't effing matter, my friend.

00:10:22.600 And we have seen this in the data.

00:10:24.780 If you want to actually resolve this, you can either do it with carbon capture or potentially with, and I was talking with a guy today, which is really pro this, iron seeding the oceans.

00:10:35.560 This is where you pour iron into the oceans to increase the production of gases.

00:10:41.680 The problem is, is it probably won't work.

00:10:45.420 So there was a study done at MIT recently, and I'll read a quote from an MIT publication on this.

00:10:50.860 If scientists were to widely fertilize the Southern Ocean or any other iron-depleted waters with iron, the effort would temporarily stimulate phytoplankton to grow and take up all the macronutrients available in that region.

00:11:02.260 But eventually, there would be no macronutrients left to circulate to other regions like the North Atlantic, which depends on those macronutrients, along with iron from dust deposits for phytoplankton to grow.

00:11:13.120 The net result would be an eventual decrease in phytoplankton in the North Atlantic and no significant increase in carbon dioxide drawdown globally.

00:11:22.400 And so, great.

00:11:25.040 You're running a risk of that.

00:11:28.480 Now, what they would argue to counter that is they're like, well, actually, we know what happens when iron is released because there was a volcanic eruption that happened recently that led to a near net neutral year for carbon emissions.

00:11:38.800 And so, they could just point to that and say, hey, look, we already have a natural experiment that shows that this works.

00:11:46.640 And it's not even a fairly difficult thing to do for governments.

00:11:49.840 You know, you go to the Philippines and you're increasing fishery output in the region.

00:11:52.840 So, like, why not do it there?

00:11:54.160 Like, regionally, this isn't a hard thing to do.

00:11:56.480 So, like, why aren't environmentalists trying this?

00:11:58.360 And it's because it's not about this for them.

00:11:59.920 It's like some weird, aesthetic battle for them, which I'll get to in a second.

00:12:04.140 And why, remind me, or maybe you don't know, why not the atmospheric blanketing of, what was it, like, carbon or smoke or something else?

00:12:16.300 That's the other thing I've heard of as an intervention.

00:12:18.000 Oh, you could do it.

00:12:18.740 And some countries may start doing that if they feel like their local economies are at risk.

00:12:22.380 It's the major premise of one environmental justice fiction sci-fi book where this renegade group just does it on their own, which, by the way, you could totally do.

00:12:33.280 But nobody's doing it because it's not a real threat to them.

00:12:37.100 It's all about signaling.

00:12:38.760 Yeah, that's the problem, is there are actually renegade things.

00:12:44.080 Maybe your plane will get shot down.

00:12:45.480 I don't know.

00:12:45.820 If you're flying over international waters, you could probably get away with stuff like this.

00:12:50.640 People aren't doing it.

00:12:51.480 But you're right.

00:12:52.180 If you're just dumping iron in the ocean, who's going to tell?

00:12:54.560 People dump everything in the ocean, right?

00:12:57.060 Yeah.

00:12:57.580 What's some iron when we have the Pacific gyre? 0.96

00:13:01.060 Is that how it's pronounced?

00:13:02.280 The Great Pacific gyre?

00:13:05.300 I don't know.

00:13:06.520 I mean, by the way, the iron dumping models right now suggest one ton of iron could remove 30,000 to 110,000 tons of carbon from the air.

00:13:15.460 So you're talking like gigatons.

00:13:17.680 What format are we talking?

00:13:18.900 Let's say you and I just get so pissed, performative environmentalists, that we just do it.

00:13:24.900 Is this powdered iron?

00:13:26.500 Am I going to supplement stores and buying iron supplements?

00:13:29.980 Like, what is the format that is necessary to make this work?

00:13:33.780 I'm actually kind of thinking about, like, just having the prenatalist movie.

00:13:37.140 Just sticking it. 1.00

00:13:37.780 Yeah, just, you're welcome, idiots. 1.00

00:13:39.620 You're welcome. 1.00

00:13:40.440 F off.

00:13:41.460 Yeah.

00:13:41.760 We could also solve things like malaria fairly easily as well.

00:13:45.200 Are you happy now?

00:13:46.480 Yes.

00:13:47.060 Yeah.

00:13:47.520 Well, no.

00:13:48.280 The EAs are working on malaria, aren't they?

00:13:50.320 And Bill Gates.

00:13:51.060 Between the two of them, they should have it.

00:13:52.320 What they're doing is disastrous things like these mosquito nets, which then people are

00:13:58.580 using as fishing nets and is just completely destroying.

00:14:01.860 Yeah, but the malaria solution is more difficult.

00:14:04.740 It's more sciencey.

00:14:06.080 You know, the nice thing about.

00:14:07.080 Not at all.

00:14:07.380 You could use.

00:14:08.800 I forget the word and I'll add it in post.

00:14:11.740 But that genetic thing where you modify mosquitoes with, it's sort of like a genetic time bomb

00:14:18.060 that you can put inside something.

00:14:19.680 And like, it's not that difficult to do.

00:14:21.660 And after a number of generations, it breeds into other mosquitoes.

00:14:25.440 And then they basically, an entire population can become sterile at once.

00:14:28.960 Yep.

00:14:29.380 And the reason why, or not able to transmit malaria.

00:14:32.720 And the reason why people are afraid to do this is they're like, well, what if it affects

00:14:36.200 the local ecosystem?

00:14:37.380 What if it affects like blah, blah, blah.

00:14:39.440 And it's like, well.

00:14:40.780 It will.

00:14:41.260 It will affect the local ecosystem.

00:14:43.520 It will.

00:14:44.220 Good. 0.99

00:14:44.800 And so fucking what? 0.99

00:14:46.340 Yes. 1.00

00:14:46.600 Get rid of those little bastards. 1.00

00:14:47.980 Okay. 1.00

00:14:48.180 And if you look at the number of people dying per year, and I'll add this in post, it's

00:14:53.560 like insane.

00:14:54.080 It's insane that they're not doing anything.

00:14:55.660 Oh my God.

00:14:56.220 The other lady in this call I was talking to, when I was talking with these environmentalists, 0.57

00:14:59.780 she goes, how are you going to get off planet?

00:15:04.780 Because I'm like, well, my dream, like what I'm fighting for is an interplanetary empire.

00:15:08.600 You know, I want humans, not just on earth.

00:15:12.440 I want them on planets and asteroids and floating ships.

00:15:17.120 And I think that this hand wringing over our existing environmental circumstances is going

00:15:23.100 to look absolutely insane.

00:15:25.700 In a thousand years, when our descendants are managing like maybe billions of biomes, depending

00:15:31.880 on how quickly humanity through AI is able to colonize the universe.

00:15:38.180 And they're going to be like, I cannot believe they were like really focused on like keeping

00:15:42.160 the earth's original biome from changing at all in the 20th century.

00:15:46.100 Like what were they thinking?

00:15:47.720 And she was like, well, what if we, she's like, we'll run out of energy.

00:15:52.120 And I was like, how are we going to run out of energy?

00:15:54.300 Like peak oil was ages ago.

00:15:56.100 Like we've got renewables now, man.

00:15:57.580 Like, and, and nuclear is not limited by its fuel sources, limited by the incompetence

00:16:02.160 of governments.

00:16:02.700 And now you've got micronuclear, like that's not even, and then she's like, well, I hear

00:16:07.320 that a lot of those technologies rely on plastics, which relies on oil.

00:16:11.180 And I'm like, okay, lady, you know, that they don't have to be plastic.

00:16:16.200 Those parts.

00:16:17.540 The reason why they're plastic is because oil is so insanely inexpensive that I can buy

00:16:23.120 oil at a per gallon price, less than milk, like a fully renewable resource that's coming

00:16:29.180 from a local vendor and oil is, it's like being dragged up from the center of the earth

00:16:33.680 being taken up and, and, and being processed.

00:16:36.200 This is a bit like saying, well, you know, a native, Native American tribe that like built

00:16:40.520 this entire civilization around Buffalo.

00:16:42.420 And they're like, well, but if the Buffalo go extinct, like, where are we going to get

00:16:47.220 utensils?

00:16:47.760 Cause those are made from Buffalo bones. 1.00

00:16:49.340 And I'm like, they're made from Buffalo bones because your civilization is built around Buffalo. 0.81

00:16:54.660 Okay.

00:16:55.340 We're, we make everything with plastic because our civilization is built around oil, but like

00:17:01.280 the degree to which governments don't care about oil now, like look at Venezuela right

00:17:05.820 now, right?

00:17:06.460 Like this is a country where plausibly any developed country could go in and take over the government

00:17:11.940 with like humanitarian needs and capture like one of the largest oil reserves on earth.

00:17:17.540 It's like non-producing right now.

00:17:19.920 And, but nobody is, nobody is, even though they have the perfect Casabelli because they

00:17:24.420 just don't need the oil.

00:17:27.640 But you were going to say.

00:17:29.080 My bigger issue is the extent to which environmentalism as a modern movement is tied to not having things

00:17:38.240 change, which is one of the least pro environment, pro nature things you could imagine.

00:17:44.980 The only thing that is natural is the fact that environments, species, ecosystems evolve and

00:17:52.400 change with time and fluctuate.

00:17:55.080 And this concept of trying to keep it the same and that changes are bad is laughable, but

00:18:04.200 also the most anthropogenic, whatever that word is, the most human oriented thing possible.

00:18:12.740 It's us trying to impose our discomfort with change upon the entire natural order of not

00:18:19.100 just the world, but the universe.

00:18:21.220 How myopic and selfish as a species can you be?

00:18:25.060 And then you, you pretend to be the one that favors natural stuff.

00:18:29.860 That's very odd to me.

00:18:31.360 That's another thing that turned me away from the movement.

00:18:33.520 You see this all the time in the movement where they're like, oh, we can't, we've got to

00:18:37.060 reintroduce the species of wolf to this region because like they were here historically, but

00:18:42.340 like since then, a species of coyote has evolved to become much larger and take on the ecological

00:18:47.160 role that that wolf species used to play.

00:18:49.300 And they're like, no, like the, the aesthetic perfection of this environment when it first

00:18:55.560 encountered humanity, that must be maintained and not allowed to evolve or differentiate.

00:19:00.740 Right.

00:19:01.440 And, and you really see this, this belief, because when I was talking to them, I was

00:19:05.420 like, at the end of the day, like, what are you fighting for?

00:19:07.560 Right.

00:19:07.740 Like you're fighting for maximum biodiversity.

00:19:10.180 Then the only thing that matters is humanity getting off planet and beginning to see new

00:19:14.420 ecosystems, because that's going to lead to much bigger biodiversity.

00:19:17.580 Any short-term collapse in environmental, in, in biodiversity due to global warming is irrelevant

00:19:25.080 in the historical context.

00:19:27.040 You know, we have had mass extinctions before you look at the great oxidation of it.

00:19:32.020 We've had species cause mass extinctions before.

00:19:35.340 Oh yes.

00:19:36.040 We're not the first, sadly embarrassing.

00:19:38.880 Yeah.

00:19:39.320 We don't even, we don't even get the claim of that.

00:19:41.460 Like this is all part of the natural order.

00:19:44.140 Right.

00:19:44.660 And, and, and biodiversity will eventually return to earth, even if there is a temporary reduction.

00:19:50.280 So the questions at play here, if what you value is biodiversity is only how quickly can

00:19:55.360 we get to other planets and is humanity going to go extinct?

00:19:58.840 And then outside of biodiversity, what are they fighting for?

00:20:01.560 It's an aesthetic.

00:20:02.600 It's an aesthetic of what the earth in the environment was like when humanity first started

00:20:07.520 to engage with it.

00:20:08.560 And it's like, I don't care.

00:20:11.580 Like you want to save all the pretty flowers, but I don't care anymore.

00:20:17.380 Just make, make new ones, make, make new flowers. 0.92

00:20:20.180 Is that such a big ask?

00:20:22.800 In fact, we are, we are making new flowers.

00:20:24.900 And of course, a lot of these are the same people who are against genetically modifying

00:20:28.740 foods and increasing crop yields.

00:20:33.640 And, and yet that's done to make hunger, not an issue.

00:20:37.000 And these people are also saying, oh, but we can't have more people because there will

00:20:41.060 not be enough food for them.

00:20:42.460 But of course, don't modify the plants to increase crop yields.

00:20:46.520 That would be.

00:20:47.320 One of the people was like going on about like carrying capacity.

00:20:49.880 And I was like, what do you mean carrying capacity?

00:20:52.100 You know that the Netherlands produces a third of the agricultural exports of the United

00:20:57.340 States, the Netherlands, this little bitty, itty bitty, nothing of a country.

00:21:03.060 And in post, I'll try to add like what percentage of the U.S. landmass it is.

00:21:06.660 So if this graph is to be believed, I am wrong.

00:21:09.280 And the Netherlands actually exports half of the agricultural products that the U.S.

00:21:14.460 does, as this would have it exporting 5% of the global food supply in the U.S., exporting

00:21:20.500 10% of the global food supply.

00:21:22.800 But whatever the case may be, when you look at landmass, the United States is literally

00:21:28.480 229 times larger than the Netherlands.

00:21:33.280 And keep in mind that 20% of the Netherlands land is reclaimed land that is only being kept

00:21:40.860 dry by the use of constant pumps and big civil works projects from the ocean.

00:21:46.600 Where most of this landmass is reclaimed anyway from the ocean using like constant like pumps

00:21:52.420 and stuff like that.

00:21:53.660 The Netherlands is so cool.

00:21:55.660 They're both giving us all our food and helping us lose all our weight.

00:22:00.000 God bless.

00:22:00.560 Yeah, carrying capacity is, she's talking about Olympic here, is determined by technology.

00:22:06.340 It is not determined by the amount of land on Earth, okay, that is laughable at this point.

00:22:12.980 And we know it's laughable at this point since the Green Revolution. 0.88

00:22:16.800 But I want to talk about like, what other like weird ethical argument could they have here?

00:22:22.840 So I've heard some arguments around like, and this is-

00:22:25.600 I'm concerned.

00:22:26.100 I am genuinely concerned about the human suffering that will be caused by climate change in areas

00:22:30.540 that are not ready for it.

00:22:32.460 Where we will have humanitarian crises, we will have mass immigration, we'll have refugees of places

00:22:39.380 that are too hot to live, where, you know, infrastructure will fail because of changes in the environment,

00:22:46.820 because of extreme heat, where people will die.

00:22:49.600 I'm super not cool with that.

00:22:51.780 I hate the idea of human suffering.

00:22:53.820 And because that is an inevitable part of existing, I think what we really should be doing is anticipating those risks

00:23:02.500 and addressing them immediately, because trying to prevent them from happening is not realistic.

00:23:11.360 And if you want to do that, then dump iron into the ocean, we really have to look into this.

00:23:17.340 Yeah, well, and here's the thing, even if somebody was telling me, like they knew or could predict

00:23:22.740 a total ecosystem collapse, it just, it's like, then we've got to find out how to live in a world

00:23:29.160 with a total ecosystem collapse.

00:23:30.820 And environmentalists, they're like, you can't do that for most of humanity.

00:23:34.640 And I'm like, I don't care about most of humanity.

00:23:37.860 I care about the, you know, the technophilic, pluralistic alliance that is the pronatalist

00:23:44.020 movement, right?

00:23:45.240 And that is not most of humanity.

00:23:46.860 I'm not here to save the urban monoculture or like random other people.

00:23:50.740 I don't have this noble, savage archetype where I need to paternalistically come in and save

00:23:56.460 other people.

00:23:57.280 I need to ask myself, can my descendants, if they stay very high-tech focused, if they stay

00:24:02.460 very industrially productive, are they going to be able to produce the types of habitats

00:24:07.360 that could survive even with like a, what is it, like a methane runaway scenario in terms

00:24:12.700 of global temperature?

00:24:14.180 And my answer would be absolutely.

00:24:15.900 They'll figure out how to build something underground where they're growing fungus or

00:24:19.260 something, or they'll figure out how to, they'll figure it out.

00:24:22.900 Okay, there, there, there are ways for humanity to survive.

00:24:27.120 And then eventually when they do figure it out in the longterm, they reestablish our current

00:24:32.400 environmental conditions.

00:24:33.940 They can reseed earth's biome.

00:24:36.000 What matters more is stuff like seed vaults.

00:24:38.820 I think those really matter or, you know, maintaining a genetic supply of like pre-augmentation

00:24:44.680 plants and stuff like that.

00:24:46.700 Because I do think that in the future, a lot of the plants in nature are going to be augmented.

00:24:50.140 But I also think that we should begin creating large genetic databases of the earth's existing

00:24:55.740 biome so that parts of it can be used when we're creating new biomes on other planets,

00:25:00.500 or potentially even the whole thing can be used in the future, because that's what we're

00:25:04.520 really losing when we lose a species is just a unique DNA of that species.

00:25:09.300 But that's something that we can catalog and then recreate with a fabricator in the future.

00:25:15.400 You know, we're, we're already at a place now where people are beginning to talk about

00:25:18.540 like recreating, like some extinct species, like mammoths and stuff like that.

00:25:22.540 Yeah.

00:25:25.040 Another thing that bothers me about environmentalism in general or environmentalists is this, this

00:25:33.020 perception that nature is gentle and kind and man has been, well, we would argue pretty

00:25:41.280 much all living species are in an ongoing battle with nature, just trying to not get killed

00:25:47.060 by it.

00:25:47.660 Nature has been trying to kill us on a daily basis since we crawled from the mud.

00:25:53.960 Like nature is not our friend.

00:25:57.900 It is the place you go to die.

00:26:00.860 Like you, you are absolutely right about that.

00:26:03.680 And it is this weird Stockholm syndrome that some people have formed was nature.

00:26:09.940 Yeah.

00:26:10.760 I don't think it's Stockholm syndrome because that, that even involves exposure and adjustment

00:26:15.840 adaptation, most of us wouldn't last more than two days and a, an even slightly hostile

00:26:25.460 natural environment with no access to other people or resources.

00:26:30.080 It wouldn't go well.

00:26:31.760 It is very, very difficult to survive in the wild, especially without any experience doing

00:26:36.720 it.

00:26:37.000 It's not a friendly place.

00:26:40.960 And, and I think we take for granted the luxuries that we enjoy from civilization and 0.95

00:26:47.200 to just shit on them and act as though everything that we've evolved, everything we've developed, our 0.87

00:26:54.640 technology, and even you and I complain about industrialization. 0.98

00:26:58.560 You know, it's obviously caused some unexpected effects and we haven't built about industrialization.

00:27:04.620 Well, we, we, we, we point out that industrialization sparked the beginning of demographic collapse, but

00:27:12.840 that doesn't mean we don't love it.

00:27:16.520 It's not a complaint.

00:27:17.760 It's a fact.

00:27:18.500 It's not.

00:27:18.860 Yeah.

00:27:19.060 It's an observation.

00:27:19.880 So I, well, all I'm saying is we're not worshiping modernity and human development as an unambiguously

00:27:27.980 good fight.

00:27:28.640 I think industrialization is, is, is intrinsically one of the most net good things that humanity

00:27:35.020 has ever produced.

00:27:36.140 I think that the creation of our existing civilization and industry is the manifestation of everything

00:27:45.220 that makes humanity great and the environment.

00:27:48.820 I mean, if we talk about like spiral energy and anti-spiral energy, where spiral energy

00:27:53.740 represents humanity uplifting itself from the, our savage days as beasts and the environmentalists,

00:28:02.260 the, the, the, the nature representing this force attempting to pull us down and subjugate

00:28:09.120 us to our lesser instincts.

00:28:11.840 Industrialization represents the very platform upon which we were able to uplift ourselves from

00:28:18.800 those savage days.

00:28:20.220 And that as, as such, it is, it is sacred.

00:28:27.640 You disagree or you think I'm being.

00:28:30.900 No, I'm really, I'm for all developments.

00:28:33.480 And even when develops have developments have unexpected side effects, you don't want to

00:28:41.080 adapt, but I'm, I'm not just that way.

00:28:43.560 I'm the same way about human technology, industrialization, evolution.

00:28:49.140 I'm the same way about the natural world and environment evolving and developing.

00:28:55.440 They may have unexpected side effects, but overall it is the process of change and time proceeding.

00:29:00.780 But I do as a human who cares about other humans and as a mother and as a wife and as a daughter

00:29:08.020 care about in general, the wellbeing of other people.

00:29:11.940 And I don't like scenarios in which humans suffer.

00:29:14.220 So I do worry about that.

00:29:15.760 Again, no matter what going forwards, the humans who can survive a climate change scenario

00:29:20.340 were populations that weren't going to survive anyway.

00:29:22.800 If they didn't die in this generation or in the generation that's affected by climate

00:29:27.580 change, they would have died a few generations from then.

00:29:29.800 Like you don't need to save everyone.

00:29:31.980 Not everyone matters.

00:29:33.760 And when I say that they don't matter, what I mean is some groups are just going to die

00:29:40.180 out no matter what we do.

00:29:42.080 Okay.

00:29:42.520 And I acknowledge that that's true.

00:29:45.560 That doesn't mean it's okay that they suffer to me.

00:29:48.560 And that is just, that's me in my opinion.

00:29:51.380 A lot of people share it though.

00:29:53.100 Well, you can start passing out cyanide pills in these regions.

00:29:56.400 I don't know.

00:29:57.020 Like one of those things they give when there's like a nuclear apocalypse where you just, are

00:30:01.620 you just dropping them from airplanes over regions, making it super easy?

00:30:05.160 What is that?

00:30:05.580 Is that your plan?

00:30:06.920 I think the plan is to set up incentives that draw people away from regions that are going

00:30:16.540 to be profoundly affected by these issues and to try to depopulate them and move people

00:30:22.760 in other directions as soon as possible, maybe set up immigration and migration treaties ahead

00:30:28.780 of time.

00:30:29.200 So people have an out if they're willing to take it.

00:30:31.600 Well, yeah, but demographic collapse is going to make that happen organically.

00:30:37.120 Yeah.

00:30:38.360 Yeah.

00:30:38.800 Well, and I guess like to your, to your point, a lot of this will probably look like a, an

00:30:43.260 Irish potato famine issue where yes, a lot actually will emigrate away and with great

00:30:49.780 hardship retreat to safety.

00:30:51.520 And some will refuse to deal with change because again, it's a very inherently human thing to

00:30:56.700 not be comfortable with change and they will flounder and die in these regions and in large

00:31:02.140 numbers, which is tragic.

00:31:03.500 I should note, I don't have an intrinsic like antagonism towards the nature.

00:31:07.100 I believe that we are now in like nature 2.0 nature is red in tooth and claw.

00:31:13.380 Nature is an environment where, uh, improvement occurs through a competition.

00:31:19.400 And I see that we are just now in the next iteration of that, but that doesn't mean that

00:31:25.900 nature didn't cruelly kill a near countless number of our ancestors in, in, in ways that,

00:31:34.540 you know, even, even today, right.

00:31:37.500 You know, like, Oh, Oh, say, you know, I don't know.

00:31:40.360 I just, and here's the other thing, right.

00:31:42.120 With all of this, one of the things where my position internally has been changing over

00:31:46.640 time, you know, as, as I learn more and I don't know if I'm all the way there yet is,

00:31:51.560 is climate change even real.

00:31:54.660 And of course, climate change is real.

00:31:57.360 There's there are arguably, you know, so I had a conversation with a guy, millions of

00:32:03.840 years of documented proof of this.

00:32:07.100 You can do or you, so, so you, you, you may say that, right.

00:32:12.080 Okay.

00:32:12.360 But I'm going to give you, so I had a conversation with a guy and I'm just going to repeat what

00:32:15.780 he said.

00:32:16.040 Cause I don't fully understand the physics of all of his arguments, but this guy is very

00:32:20.000 famous, like a person who, no, I'm not going to like out him so that people can know him.

00:32:25.200 Yeah.

00:32:25.500 I'm just saying a lot of people are very famous and they don't tell the truth.

00:32:28.960 So this is an individual who very clearly believes this very successful engineer.

00:32:36.500 And it's, it's, if anyone who's jumping in, no, it's not this, this one was actually introduced

00:32:41.280 to by Ruby art, but anyway, he points out that, you know, we see in a historic period,

00:32:46.900 like in Roman Britain, they were growing grapes.

00:32:49.620 Okay.

00:32:50.500 That means that it was warm during that period.

00:32:55.320 Like the warmer than it is today, significantly, we see farming in Iceland 23,000 years ago.

00:33:03.000 Like that means it was warmer than it is today.

00:33:06.380 Yeah.

00:33:06.600 Climate change.

00:33:08.220 What am I missing here?

00:33:10.040 Well, no, what he's arguing.

00:33:12.040 Okay.

00:33:12.700 So if you listen to the climate change activists today, they say we are in like the hottest timeline

00:33:19.400 that humans have recently been in. 0.99

00:33:20.640 Oh, that's bullshit. 0.98

00:33:21.860 But that's just because they have no concept of what climate change is on a larger scale. 0.99

00:33:27.540 But as you've pointed out, it was warmer and colder in some regions in the past than it

00:33:33.180 is now.

00:33:35.360 No, this matters.

00:33:37.340 If in recent human history, the earth has been warmer than it is today.

00:33:42.460 Okay.

00:33:42.980 This undermines one of the core arguments where you could say, actually, we just have a fairly

00:33:49.340 recent increase in global temperatures along a up and down line that you've seen historically.

00:33:56.600 And so he makes a point to me that greenhouses only work, like if you're looking at a greenhouse

00:34:01.840 thing, when they are completely trapped.

00:34:05.520 Yeah.

00:34:05.620 Gases rise when hot and heat moves by convection.

00:34:09.460 The relaxation time of carbon dioxide, the transfer time out of the system is apparently

00:34:15.500 incredibly fast.

00:34:16.980 It's in the field of nanoseconds.

00:34:20.120 So he gave me a paper that I'll put on screen here from Richard Feynman.

00:34:24.960 And it's titled The Feynman Lectures on Physics, Volume 1, Chapter 40, The Principles of Statistical

00:34:29.620 Mechanics.

00:34:30.140 And so he says that there is no such thing as like a greenhouse environmental thing, because

00:34:37.120 heat moves by radiation, conduction, and convection, and greenhouses trap the air by the dirt with

00:34:44.060 the glass preventing convection.

00:34:46.160 My read of his argument, although I personally don't fully understand the physics here, is

00:34:51.080 that heat transfer between the atmosphere and outer space would not be particularly hindered

00:34:58.700 by the gravity that keeps the atmosphere near Earth.

00:35:02.640 When I try to research this, what I get is that heat can only transfer to outer space through

00:35:07.840 radiation.

00:35:08.560 It can't travel to space through convection because there is no medium in outer space.

00:35:13.360 But that radiation is the fastest means of heat transfer.

00:35:17.640 So you shouldn't have the same level of hindrance you would have within a normal greenhouse environment,

00:35:24.360 i.e. like a glass structure meant to keep air near the ground.

00:35:29.000 And I'd really love one of our autistic listeners to explain whether he's right or not. 0.98

00:35:34.900 Sorry, I say autistic listeners not to disparage the listeners of this show, but like, let's

00:35:40.140 be honest here, to explain to me whether or not this is right.

00:35:43.560 And that CO2 absorbs infrared radiation, but re-emits it quickly at about the same wavelength.

00:35:51.180 This is called the relaxation time, and it's about a few nanoseconds.

00:35:55.280 The energy goes from the dirt to outer space in about four milliseconds.

00:36:01.000 For 500 million years, it's been much warmer and CO2 has been much higher.

00:36:07.120 We are in a period now that is a CO2 minimum, not a CO2 maximum.

00:36:12.060 And then he says here, for example, Venus outgassed the same amount of CO2 as Earth, but since

00:36:18.820 there's no life for carbon capture, it's all just a very dense atmosphere.

00:36:23.660 The limestone beds worldwide on Earth hold all the CO2.

00:36:27.600 So I, again, the thing that I don't really exactly understand is relaxation time of CO2.

00:36:34.840 And does this really mean that heat can transfer really quickly from Earth to the outer atmosphere?

00:36:39.780 And again, I want to be clear, I am not endorsing this theory.

00:36:43.500 I don't believe this theory myself.

00:36:45.680 It's just a theory I hadn't heard before, told to me from a person who has made a lot

00:36:51.080 of money in the engineering and physical sciences space, so appears to practically know what

00:36:58.040 he's talking about in a way that I don't.

00:37:00.280 So I wanted to share this information to maybe get feedback from our audience to understand

00:37:05.140 why it's wrong.

00:37:05.960 What I can say is I do believe that we're in an ecosystem now where if all of this were

00:37:11.500 true, that the powers that be wouldn't let us know it.

00:37:15.440 And that's one of the big problems that they've created by creating this entire global censorship

00:37:20.180 network that's probably going to be hitting this episode with an explanation of global

00:37:24.240 warming right below the episode.

00:37:25.640 I'm sure you're going to hit so you know what.

00:37:26.940 But no, no, no, no, no, they dropped the concept of global warming and greenhouse gases when

00:37:32.920 we were still kids.

00:37:34.420 It has been climate change for the longest time.

00:37:39.440 I just used Black Forest Labs to create a cartoon showing an anthropomorphized carbon dioxide

00:37:46.560 molecule relaxing at a vacation resort.

00:37:48.840 No, but why, why, hold on.

00:37:51.240 Here's my question.

00:37:51.900 Carbon relaxation time.

00:37:54.080 Simone, why does CO2, explain, explain, because I don't understand this.

00:38:01.520 If you're saying that nobody cares about greenhouse gases anymore, why this carbon capture stuff,

00:38:07.420 why this CO2 reduction in the Paris Accords?

00:38:09.440 Because there are two elements to the environmental movement.

00:38:15.860 One is an element that's actually concerned about the outcome.

00:38:20.940 And then the other is the element that is performative.

00:38:23.440 And the performative element is not necessarily evidence-based.

00:38:27.640 I don't think it's necessarily looking at reality.

00:38:30.200 And it certainly hasn't caught up with the fact that the narrative changing to global climate

00:38:35.020 change means that we need to stop looking at greenhouse gases.

00:38:37.620 And so there's still a big focus on carbon.

00:38:40.020 Why is there that focus on carbon?

00:38:41.480 Because what are humans doing that's bad and evil?

00:38:45.280 How do we need to repent?

00:38:46.900 Well, we are sinning in the form of creating carbon, in producing a carbon footprint.

00:38:53.220 And so how do we repent for the sin?

00:38:56.240 We don't have children who can produce more carbon footprints.

00:38:59.900 We must sequester our carbon.

00:39:02.380 We must capture the carbon.

00:39:04.320 We must undo our sins.

00:39:06.220 It really is like this sin-based ecosystem of the way we relate to the environment.

00:39:13.000 Yes.

00:39:13.540 And I think that that's what's going on.

00:39:17.260 It's not about...

00:39:20.420 Yeah, I mean, I hear you.

00:39:21.880 But what I'm just saying is the fact that the carbon obsession not really making sense necessarily

00:39:32.400 with global climate...

00:39:33.400 Now, I could see maybe there an argument being made for an increase or acceleration of carbon

00:39:40.240 output, increasing the speed with which polar ice caps melt is one of the primary drivers

00:39:48.700 behind increased risk of global ocean currents changing, which would in turn exacerbate climate

00:39:57.620 change by causing drastic and sudden changes.

00:40:01.320 And people are like, well, what about all the people who live near the shore?

00:40:04.280 And I'm like, well, they got to move, buddy.

00:40:06.740 Right.

00:40:07.260 Easier said than done, Malcolm.

00:40:09.560 No, no, no, not easier.

00:40:11.180 The economic model that cities are built on doesn't work in a world of population collapse.

00:40:16.500 So like they don't...

00:40:17.800 It doesn't even matter.

00:40:18.660 They're going to be abandoned anyways within our lifetime.

00:40:22.000 I don't...

00:40:23.000 That would be an interesting policy is to prepare for demographic collapse, just effectively

00:40:31.380 shut down coastal cities by no longer allowing for mortgages or debt to be leveraged or insurance

00:40:40.540 to be utilized in coastal cities subject to...

00:40:44.660 I think that's a perfectly reasonable policy.

00:40:46.640 And I think if you put...

00:40:47.760 And this isn't about rising sea levels.

00:40:50.580 It's not about rising sea levels.

00:40:52.240 It's about being at risk of like hurricane surges.

00:40:57.200 Actually, that's really interesting.

00:40:59.000 So just, you know, we can actually deal with sea level rise.

00:41:02.160 The Netherlands has reclaimed like a third of their country or something like that.

00:41:05.900 The Dutch polders are the largest land reclamation projects in the world, which added nearly 20%

00:41:12.140 of land to the country, and its fertile land makes the Netherlands the second largest exporter

00:41:17.780 of food in the world.

00:41:19.280 A large dike was constructed to block seawater from flooding into the inner regions of the

00:41:25.100 Netherlands.

00:41:26.100 We're going to look at how parts of the inland water area was drained and turned into fertile

00:41:31.700 land.

00:41:32.700 Ever since the 16th century, large areas of land have been reclaimed from the sea and

00:41:37.320 lakes, amounting to over 50% of the country's current land area, if you include every lake

00:41:43.680 ever laid dry.

00:41:44.760 Oh, and I watched this great YouTube video on how Venice was actually settled.

00:41:48.680 I mean, it was a marshland to start that people fled to on boats, and it was sort of a temporary

00:41:54.880 settlement.

00:41:56.100 And it was extremely, extremely waterlogged and marshy.

00:42:00.540 And everything that they built there was basically on top of waterlogged mud piles.

00:42:05.520 It was not, there was never land there that started to sink, basically.

00:42:10.280 Everything they built there was built in a very unique and fascinating way.

00:42:14.000 I'll dig up this video and share it with you, because it's a great thing to link to.

00:42:16.820 I just, I loved it.

00:42:17.680 It was absolutely fascinating to watch the architecture of Venice.

00:42:20.240 It's super cool.

00:42:21.720 Even though when the first refugees arrived to start their new lives on the islands, they 1.00

00:42:26.220 had the worst possible surface to build on.

00:42:29.460 The small marshy islands were made of an incredibly soft clay, which would barely hold the weight

00:42:34.480 of a human.

00:42:35.380 To create stable foundations for buildings, the Venetians collected large timber piles from the

00:42:41.140 forests of Croatia and started hammering them into the ground. 0.71

00:42:44.900 Not only did this stabilize the piles, but by packing them really close together, it compressed

00:42:50.520 the surrounding clay, pushing out the water and making it much stronger.

00:42:55.100 Once the piles were firmly in the ground, the tops were cut off and wooden planks were laid

00:43:00.260 on top to spread the load.

00:43:01.840 Special blocks of Istrian stone were then placed to raise the foundations above the water.

00:43:08.060 This design was a stroke of genius, as the wooden piles were sealed away from the air,

00:43:13.900 making it impossible for them to rot.

00:43:16.420 To this day, almost all of the original piles are in great condition and are still holding

00:43:21.860 up the city.

00:43:22.560 The way that the buildings had to be built to fluctuate with the movement associated with

00:43:28.200 being built on such unsturdy foundations and built in a really ingenious way.

00:43:33.020 But anyway, even Venice is built on flooded ground that is unstable.

00:43:38.860 And of course, we can build on all sorts of other environments.

00:43:42.000 Humans are so good at adapting.

00:43:44.440 And here's the thing.

00:43:45.280 Here's another reason why I think Venice is so cool.

00:43:47.160 And it very much fits our whole city-state concept, is here you have another place where

00:43:53.100 humans had to develop a settlement in an extremely hostile environment that was not meant for

00:44:00.300 people.

00:44:01.220 And when you force people to deal with these constraints, amazing innovation starts taking

00:44:06.380 place.

00:44:07.280 When you present humans with a challenge, they rise to it.

00:44:11.340 And again, that's one of the fundamental problems facing many people in our society now.

00:44:15.200 The surviving humans rise to it.

00:44:17.980 Yes, the surviving humans rise to it, sure.

00:44:20.020 But the point is that our big problem now is life is too easy.

00:44:24.820 And I think a lot of people that honestly aren't surviving right now, they are barely scraping

00:44:29.060 by.

00:44:29.520 They are subject to addiction.

00:44:31.840 They are desperate.

00:44:33.900 They're committing.

00:44:35.260 They're ending themselves, et cetera.

00:44:37.940 These people could actually thrive if presented with meaningful challenge, if their lives were threatened,

00:44:43.700 if they had to build a new civilization in marshland because they were being forced to be like

00:44:49.160 refugees in some kind of conflict.

00:44:51.040 So I really like your policy solution.

00:44:53.800 If we got into a federal office, I love this idea.

00:44:57.080 Um, it's not going to happen.

00:44:59.140 One crazy person's environmental policy to not allow for coastal development anymore.

00:45:04.800 Because both conservatives and progressives would love it.

00:45:08.280 So it could absolutely pass.

00:45:10.940 So what you are passing is a policy that says, for environmentalist reasons, right?

00:45:16.440 So the progressives like it.

00:45:17.900 Okay.

00:45:18.260 We need to pass a ban on taking out debt and real estate in areas that are adjacent to

00:45:26.040 the coast and was an X degree of sea level.

00:45:29.120 Okay.

00:45:29.760 Like X number of feet.

00:45:31.560 Debt and insurance.

00:45:32.860 Debt and insurance.

00:45:34.040 Debt and insurance.

00:45:34.960 So why would conservatives love this?

00:45:37.460 Because it basically makes all progressive districts non-viable in the United States, except

00:45:43.620 for a very few inter-country districts.

00:45:45.960 Well, then progressives would never stand for it if they knew that that was the effect

00:45:50.340 from a-

00:45:51.080 Oh, they would.

00:45:51.900 Oh, they would.

00:45:52.620 Because it helps the environment.

00:45:54.120 No.

00:45:55.360 Yeah.

00:45:55.920 But they don't actually care about stuff that helps the environment.

00:45:58.380 You don't think Manhattan would vote on something that is economically not in their

00:46:02.820 best interest if it fit the progressive religion?

00:46:05.060 That is their entire-

00:46:06.280 Manhattan would 100% not vote for it because they're dependent on insurance and they're dependent

00:46:10.880 on debt.

00:46:11.700 No, no, no.

00:46:11.720 They 100% would.

00:46:13.580 Manhattan regularly votes things into law.

00:46:15.960 That obviously is going to make their city non-livable in a few years, whether it's the

00:46:20.660 way they deal with repeat offenders of crimes, whether it's the way they deal with homeless

00:46:24.900 people, whether it's the way they deal with immigrants, like all of their policies are

00:46:29.580 like, obviously this is going to economically destroy the city.

00:46:32.920 Hold on.

00:46:33.440 And eventually sink it.

00:46:34.780 Andy woke up.

00:46:35.080 Why not just sink the whole thing to begin with?

00:46:37.440 I have to, I have to get Andy.

00:46:39.020 One second.

00:46:39.480 You say save the rainforest, but what do you know?

00:46:43.700 You've never been to the rainforest before.

00:46:48.420 Boys and girls.

00:46:52.100 There'll be no more rainforest left in the entire world.

00:46:56.580 World. 0.99

00:46:58.180 Getting gay with kids is here. 0.99

00:47:01.320 This is it for us anyway. 0.88

00:47:03.260 I love you.

00:47:03.920 You're amazing.

00:47:04.980 Oh, okay.

00:47:05.580 I love you.

00:47:06.820 Cool.

00:47:07.360 Andy.

00:47:07.980 Okay.

00:47:10.300 Oh my God. 0.99

00:47:11.620 So useless. 1.00

00:47:12.460 I hate useless people. 1.00

00:47:14.040 Today's episode. 0.98

00:47:15.260 And obviously that's going to go at the end. 0.96

00:47:16.380 It's going to be therapy for me because I just had to talk with the most useless environmentalist.

00:47:22.440 And he was, he was going on and we'll go over this in the episode about iron seating.

00:47:28.700 And he was like, why, you know, so we could fix global warming because he believes 100% in the technology, right?

00:47:34.700 Like in moving forward with it.

00:47:36.760 And I was like, then why are we having this conversation?

00:47:38.620 Just go fix it, right?

00:47:39.640 Like, why are you taking my time to talk about this?

00:47:43.140 And he goes, well, if we do fix global warming, it's going to have a lot of impacts on how you can promote pronatalism because more people will want kids if they don't think the future is going to be destroyed.

00:47:51.880 I'm like, one, I don't think like, yeah, one, not true, actually not having kids because of climate change.

00:47:57.120 I think that's an excuse people use to try to make themselves look virtuous when they've decided not to have kids for selfish reasons, but, or just lack of action reasons.

00:48:05.500 But in addition to that, what do you mean?

00:48:08.320 Like you want to, because then he was like, and we need to have another, why would we have that conversation?

00:48:12.020 Like either it works or it doesn't work.

00:48:14.320 There's no point in wasting my time with these hypotheticals.

00:48:18.700 And this is what I don't get.

00:48:20.020 But like, we're now at like, what, like 120 people watching us at any given time, day or night, right?

00:48:27.060 So when somebody like tries to monopolize my time like that, it just boils my blood because I'm like, okay, there's 120 other people that right now at any given time I should be working to make better episodes for.

00:48:40.340 Who, you know, are not, you know, trying to convince me of their little project that's probably not going to happen anyway.

00:48:48.580 But anyway, all right, so we'll get started on the episode here.

00:48:51.880 But I'm sure you ran into this all the time when you were dealing with climate change people.

00:48:56.520 You know, when dealing with climate change people, this did not ever come up as an issue because so much of it felt like that.

00:49:05.700 If you are interacting with other people on climate change issues, it is often because you are a performative person interacting with performative people.

00:49:16.340 Everyone in climate change who's actually doing something isn't interacting with other climate change people.

00:49:22.000 They're doing the thing.

00:49:23.420 They are Elon Musk deciding, okay, climate change is an issue.

00:49:27.440 Let's go into solar.

00:49:29.920 Let's make electric cars.

00:49:31.500 Let's do this.

00:49:32.400 And of course, all environmentalists seem to hate him now.

00:49:35.820 So I think there's that bifurcation.

00:49:39.380 And therefore, this is not something that actually bothers people who identify as environmentalists because.

00:49:45.860 True.

00:49:46.120 Yeah, it's the identity thing, right?

00:49:48.040 This is a topic we've thought about doing an episode on at some point, but about the effect of altruists and why the left hates them so much.

00:49:54.380 Because all they want to do, I mean, they capitulate on every left-wing issue, right?

00:49:58.280 They just want to focus on the data, right?

00:50:01.380 And the left absolutely hates them.

00:50:02.760 And it's like, well, of course they do because they're the people who come into a room and say, okay, we need to focus on, you know, X, Y, and Z issue by the statistics in terms of like net utility impact.

00:50:15.940 And then the leftists are there, but like, but this year it's racism year.

00:50:19.440 Like, don't you know immigrants are the thing right now?

00:50:21.860 This year is racism year. 1.00

00:50:23.280 Don't you know, that's really the way it fucking goes. 0.99

00:50:26.220 Like, it's insane. 0.98

00:50:27.460 It's like this year, it's X year and we're going to do X.

00:50:31.000 And, and if you're off topic, you're off topic.

00:50:33.400 Like, God forbid, you know, during BLM, you're like, well, what about trans people? 0.98

00:50:39.360 Right?

00:50:39.980 Because wrong topic.

00:50:42.120 Okay.

00:50:42.500 That scene is stealing.

00:50:43.900 There was actually some quotes I heard of like lefties who were mortified that like trans rights activists were saying trans lives matter.

00:50:50.680 Because like, they stole this like blackface and it's BLM season right now. 1.00

00:50:56.140 And we got to do the BLM thing right now.

00:50:58.240 Come on, man.

00:50:58.960 Don't you know?

00:51:00.180 Right now it's brat summer.

00:51:01.900 You can't be talking about anything but Cammie.

00:51:04.140 You can't be talking about anything but Cammie.

00:51:06.360 None of this environmental nonsense this summer.

00:51:08.980 Okay.

00:51:09.740 That ain't her thing. 1.00

00:51:11.660 Okay.

00:51:12.000 I'm trying to, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm working double time for her PR team, trying to, you know, get it spicy here.

00:51:18.580 Got to get, get Cammie and brat summer and hitting it up at the club.

00:51:23.640 I mean, that debate.

00:51:25.960 We're, we're entering dangerously on cool zone right now.

00:51:29.480 Well, no, the thing that got me about the debate was how much Trump, and this was like, he was out of character for doing this.

00:51:36.740 Right.

00:51:37.140 But like, he just seemed like a beleaguered person actually trying to make politics work.

00:51:42.820 And she seemed like the most, Ooh, now I get to do branding thing. 1.00

00:51:46.520 You know, the, the, the really sad, like watching them talk about abortion to me, just killed me when she's like, I'm going to do X and Y.

00:51:55.100 And Trump is like, you need, you only have 50% of the elect of, of, of, of, of Congress or the Senate about at any given time.

00:52:03.440 Right.

00:52:03.720 Like there's no way you could pass a national abortion law, even if you had it like, like you wanted to, like, what are you talking about?

00:52:13.220 And just that Trump was here occupying like the real world.

00:52:16.760 And she was out here just like fantasizing about like fake political promise nonsense stuff.

00:52:22.560 I was like, where have we gone for like, I'm going to build a wall and Mexico is going to pay for it to, you couldn't possibly get that passed.

00:52:31.340 Did you know that it's a 50% on each side of the aisle?

00:52:34.100 That's the problem though.

00:52:35.540 And that's, what's at play here is what wins now is punchy narratives.

00:52:39.860 Trump had those before.

00:52:41.180 And now I think Democrats have learned from that method and they're saying, okay, if that's how we play now, that's how we play. 0.56

00:52:50.220 Brad summer vibes, no substance, only ideas, national abortion ban, Trump is evil and it works.

00:53:01.060 Well, I think what realistically is going to happen is, you know, I think that people vote Dem in the same way they buy games like Concord and stuff like that.

00:53:10.080 Like that.

00:53:10.520 And that's the big question for the upcoming election in the United States.

00:53:16.020 But we'll see.

00:53:17.560 But I mean, we're basically at a point now where, because of, you know, and it's funny that I can say this without any trouble, erection fraud. 0.99

00:53:25.120 There's just too many problems with male penises and erections and fraud around that at the moment. 0.97

00:53:30.320 Because you used to like hardcore believe it wasn't a real thing. 0.98

00:53:33.900 And now that you've gotten more into the political system, you're like, oh God, it's actually happening at massive levels.

00:53:39.220 Because I'm having a harder time believing that we don't have any erection problems in our country at this time. 0.94

00:53:51.140 We need to talk about this country's erection problems. 0.68

00:53:53.340 And we're not going to be allowed to on YouTube, God forbid.

00:53:55.620 That's the type of thing that gets your channel taken down when you point out that part of the little game that they're playing.

00:54:00.460 But anyway, I'm going to start right here.

00:54:02.120 All right.

Based Camp - September 19, 2024

We're Done With Caring About the Environment

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