Based Camp - We Stopped Fearing Swamp Hags & Society Collapsed (A Historic Anthropology)

00:00:00.000 Hello, Malcolm. I'm excited to be speaking with you today

00:00:03.000 because you and I both love watching Asmogold

00:00:06.620 and he regularly refers to deranged women at protests as swamp hags

00:00:11.340 and he in his chat sometimes also...

00:00:13.860 You know, they just refer to them.

00:00:15.480 He says if these women were alive in the medieval period,

00:00:19.640 they would have been what we called a swamp hag.

00:00:23.160 And I think he makes a strong point.

00:00:24.440 Yeah, like selling mushrooms out in some swamp.

00:00:28.200 Yeah, it's as Asmogold as...

00:00:32.300 Well, anyways, you know, just like it's one of those things

00:00:34.700 that just comes out of his mouth a lot.

00:00:37.180 It is what it is, that kind of thing.

00:00:39.340 But yeah, even like he in the chat though, I should also say

00:00:42.620 it's not just swamp hags that he in his chat sometimes also realized

00:00:46.640 while watching clips that white women losing composure

00:00:49.500 are also basically banshees.

00:00:51.920 And he's pointed out that every major culture

00:00:54.380 has some trope or mythology around this archetype.

00:00:57.580 Malcolm, I can give you a clip along those lines where he just...

00:01:00.640 One of those cases in which he points it out,

00:01:02.340 but he points this out a lot.

00:01:04.220 Anyone who watches him will recognize this.

00:01:07.120 And he's also mused over how these women are just born

00:01:09.640 in the wrong time and place.

00:01:11.560 And they'd rather probably be...

00:01:14.240 They would be a lot happier they would actually thrive

00:01:16.520 if they were living in a swamp somewhere selling mushrooms

00:01:19.840 and just being weird.

00:01:21.120 But no, now they're in Minneapolis watching the news

00:01:25.560 and therefore running out to ICE protests

00:01:27.520 and not ending up in great scenarios.

00:01:31.220 And this, I really feel like he's onto something with this

00:01:33.940 because I don't just mean this in a pejorative sense.

00:01:36.680 There, my mom passed away quite young from ovarian cancer.

00:01:41.760 It was very sad.

00:01:42.580 But as an empty nester, especially,

00:01:45.800 she really struggled with depression

00:01:48.120 and had a tough time and felt sort of very unmoored.

00:01:53.000 And at one point, I remember my dad saying to me

00:01:56.280 something along the lines of,

00:01:58.540 like, she really was sort of made for another time.

00:02:02.720 And I feel like that she would have been a lot better

00:02:06.200 living in some, like on a medieval farm,

00:02:09.540 like out in the countries.

00:02:10.320 And she obviously would have preferred that.

00:02:11.860 You know her, you knew her.

00:02:12.960 Oh yeah, you know, she would have preferred

00:02:14.240 just knowing, you know, you do the crops,

00:02:16.520 you take care of the kids.

00:02:18.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:02:19.540 And you're trying to build,

00:02:20.720 well, I think a lot of people are built this way.

00:02:23.100 A lot of people in society are really,

00:02:24.960 I don't want to say built to be automatons,

00:02:27.020 but when you give them-

00:02:28.560 Or just built to be swamps,

00:02:29.800 or just built to live off the land,

00:02:31.160 or like literally be a swamp hag.

00:02:32.660 So I don't even mean this-

00:02:33.920 No, no, hold on.

00:02:34.360 I think you're getting,

00:02:35.340 I actually disagree very strongly

00:02:37.340 with what you're saying here in your framing.

00:02:38.760 So I'll put this in two things.

00:02:40.320 Okay.

00:02:40.660 Some people in this world,

00:02:42.500 when you ask them to define meaning and life

00:02:48.320 and build a metaphysical framework for themselves,

00:02:51.540 historically people didn't have to do that, right?

00:02:54.120 Like you were told by your community

00:02:56.280 what purpose was the metaphysics of the universe,

00:02:59.480 you know, what you were going to do that morning,

00:03:00.820 what you were going to do that afternoon,

00:03:01.920 and what you were going to do that night.

00:03:03.300 When you tell people this,

00:03:04.960 and you don't have a strong framework,

00:03:06.440 which a lot of people from that generation didn't,

00:03:08.980 people can make very,

00:03:10.200 they're like,

00:03:10.600 well, I get joy from this thing.

00:03:13.000 So maybe that's a thing of true value to me.

00:03:15.700 And it's just a really bad way.

00:03:17.660 Or this thing feels philosophically deep,

00:03:20.660 which, you know,

00:03:21.540 mysticism and magic and spellcraft and all of that,

00:03:23.660 that's always going to feel very deep

00:03:25.220 when you first get into it,

00:03:26.160 because there's all the lore, right?

00:03:28.100 Instead of like actually just sitting down,

00:03:30.460 what I did when I was first interested in this stuff,

00:03:32.440 and I go, okay,

00:03:33.360 I need to know particle physics.

00:03:34.920 I need to know neuroscience.

00:03:35.720 I need to know theoretical physics,

00:03:37.480 because I need to understand how reality works.

00:03:40.040 And I need to understand how I perceive reality,

00:03:42.400 because those are the two core aspects of myself.

00:03:45.460 But a lot of people from the, you know, 60, 70,

00:03:48.220 they didn't have that way of approaching things.

00:03:50.440 That is different than the swamp hag, okay?

00:03:53.340 The swamp hag is a concept,

00:03:56.600 and I was talking to Simone about this in a recent video.

00:03:59.120 If you look at eusocial insects, for example,

00:04:02.060 like say ants or something like that,

00:04:03.760 if one of them is sick or is genetically malformed,

00:04:06.360 the other ants in the colonies will kill it

00:04:08.500 and take its body outside the nest.

00:04:09.960 So it doesn't infect the rest of the ants, right?

00:04:12.520 Like it doesn't end up hurting the wider colony.

00:04:15.840 It's intentionally isolated from society,

00:04:17.680 either through murder or in the case of the swamp hag,

00:04:20.240 through semi-banishment.

00:04:24.020 Well, no, this is true in social mammals as well.

00:04:26.600 A lot of social mammals will ostracize,

00:04:30.040 eventually leading to death,

00:04:31.400 individuals within their communities

00:04:33.060 that are either sickly or genetically

00:04:35.860 otherwise detriment to the wider community, right?

00:04:38.880 Because it's not just that they require more care

00:04:41.580 than other members of the community,

00:04:42.680 but they can cause active harm

00:04:44.340 if they're allowed to breed within the community.

00:04:47.220 Now, if you look cross-culturally

00:04:49.320 and you have the mythology of the swamp hag,

00:04:52.400 the woman who you should be afraid of,

00:04:55.620 who lives in a swamp off the land,

00:04:59.680 this is a myth that is taught to people

00:05:02.860 so that you know,

00:05:04.100 because negative traits cross-correlate.

00:05:06.660 So if you look at something like attractiveness,

00:05:09.080 attractiveness correlates very strongly

00:05:10.280 to something like IQ or self-control,

00:05:12.720 like this has been shown in lots of studies.

00:05:14.140 It's unfair.

00:05:14.740 Good health.

00:05:15.560 I mean, for example,

00:05:16.440 also high IQ is also correlated

00:05:19.320 with things like lower rates of mortality from cancer.

00:05:22.900 Now, this could just be due to generally better health.

00:05:26.680 It could also be due to more intelligent people

00:05:29.500 being in general more conscientious,

00:05:31.300 so they're more likely to go to doctor's appointments

00:05:32.960 or follow up on cancer treatments.

00:05:34.480 Right, so the point here being is,

00:05:37.600 like, this is a well-studied phenomenon.

00:05:39.140 Good genes for one thing

00:05:40.620 typically mean good genes for another thing.

00:05:42.680 Like, good genes cross-correlate.

00:05:44.820 And as somebody becomes more mutated

00:05:47.580 and has more deleterious genes for whatever reason,

00:05:50.960 those are going to be as apparent in their physiology

00:05:53.680 as they are.

00:05:54.680 And you don't just see this from genes.

00:05:56.740 Suppose somebody has a parasite or a disease.

00:06:01.220 Now, this parasite-owned disease,

00:06:02.660 historically speaking,

00:06:03.380 is going to affect their cognition often.

00:06:06.300 And as it affects their cognition,

00:06:07.400 it might make them more aggressive,

00:06:09.460 less agreeable,

00:06:10.660 less any number of other things,

00:06:11.940 which can also make them dangerous

00:06:13.300 because now they are both maybe more prone to violence,

00:06:16.040 more prone to lashing out,

00:06:17.320 but also they are contagious, potentially, right?

00:06:21.340 And so when you teach kids about monsters,

00:06:24.740 like we teach our kids about monsters,

00:06:26.120 don't go into the woods

00:06:26.760 because the wendigos will get you.

00:06:28.240 Don't go into the swamp

00:06:28.940 because the witches will get you.

00:06:30.100 You are teaching them what to fear,

00:06:32.460 like certain social prototypes to fear.

00:06:34.780 And the swamp hag was something that we created

00:06:37.120 as a prototype within our society

00:06:38.640 to teach our children to fear

00:06:42.080 a very specific and real archetype

00:06:44.860 that both you would have met in the medieval ages,

00:06:48.540 but you also meet today.

00:06:50.640 But we no longer-

00:06:51.720 Yeah, but hold on.

00:06:52.420 Yes.

00:06:53.080 And let me take it back.

00:06:54.080 Here's the problem is to your point, Malcolm,

00:06:58.480 people aren't recognizing fully

00:07:00.320 that swamp hag isn't just a pejorative phrase

00:07:03.080 that we use for like,

00:07:04.260 old woman I don't like.

00:07:05.840 It's actually a trope slash mythological feature

00:07:08.620 slash archetype that has a place in society

00:07:11.560 that isn't necessarily wholly bad,

00:07:14.080 but should be treated differently.

00:07:16.640 And the reason why I think there are,

00:07:19.740 there is this mythology around the trope and archetype

00:07:22.200 is because it is meant to teach people

00:07:24.400 what this person's optimal position is within society.

00:07:28.880 And that we, in general, as modern people

00:07:32.320 would benefit from re-recognizing this archetype

00:07:35.860 and coming to understand or refresh ourselves

00:07:38.960 on this type of liminal person,

00:07:42.480 which is exactly what banshees and swamp hags are,

00:07:45.940 both in this modern context

00:07:48.100 and in historical archetypical contexts

00:07:51.260 to have society function more optimally.

00:07:56.520 And you can actually see a lot of cases

00:07:58.220 in which a misunderstanding of what swamp hags are

00:08:01.280 has led to a lot of societal damage.

00:08:04.160 So let me first walk then you through

00:08:07.360 and in our audience through

00:08:08.580 what these historical archetypes were.

00:08:11.780 And then let's discuss what this means

00:08:14.620 about what the modern manifestation

00:08:17.180 of swamp hags should be doing

00:08:19.440 or how we should be regarding them

00:08:21.020 and where things have gone off the rails

00:08:22.400 because we've forgotten what swamp hags are

00:08:25.300 and basically where they belong.

00:08:28.040 We have forgotten prejudice.

00:08:29.680 We made the mistake of trying to construct

00:08:31.980 in a society where you did not make judgments

00:08:35.560 about people based on things

00:08:38.820 that is observable even from their behavior.

00:08:41.300 Well, yeah, and I think a lot of it comes back

00:08:43.680 to blank slate-ism in assuming that we're all the same.

00:08:48.160 We all have the same rights and capabilities

00:08:51.380 and that everyone has an equal shot

00:08:54.780 at being an equally good leader

00:08:56.400 or an equally good parent

00:08:57.820 or an equally good friend or whatever.

00:09:01.680 And because we haven't recognized

00:09:03.380 that different types of people are optimal

00:09:05.340 for different roles in society,

00:09:06.720 we've ended up putting the wrong people

00:09:08.680 in the wrong roles.

00:09:09.760 And that's fundamentally the argument

00:09:11.300 that I'm going to be making.

00:09:12.300 But can I give you the history of the swamp hag?

00:09:15.380 Give me the history of the swamp hag.

00:09:17.140 Okay.

00:09:17.800 The swamp hag or the woods-dwelling old woman

00:09:20.300 selling herbs and mushrooms

00:09:21.540 in a modern, is a modern variation,

00:09:23.920 sort of what Hasmongold is referring to,

00:09:26.220 to this very old European

00:09:27.960 and Eurasian hag slash crone figure.

00:09:30.980 And there is something quite,

00:09:32.420 to this point, European about this.

00:09:35.400 When Hasmongold points out a swamp hag,

00:09:38.440 it's not a black woman.

00:09:40.600 It's not a Chinese woman.

00:09:43.180 It's not a, you know, it's not a,

00:09:46.480 it's just a white woman.

00:09:48.380 Okay.

00:09:49.020 But it's this age-

00:09:49.940 And they do have a physiology to them as well.

00:09:52.040 Absolutely.

00:09:52.540 They have a look.

00:09:53.480 They have a look.

00:09:54.520 And they're European,

00:09:55.660 so no one to look for typically,

00:09:57.080 like maybe a little Eurasian.

00:09:58.660 But it's a liminal woman

00:09:59.760 at the edge of society

00:10:00.920 who might be a monster,

00:10:03.280 but could also be a healer

00:10:05.800 or an initiatory guide.

00:10:07.380 And I think we've forgotten this.

00:10:08.740 Like I'm pointing out there's some,

00:10:10.700 they're kind of chaotic character.

00:10:12.780 Okay.

00:10:13.060 So like the English word hag

00:10:15.000 comes from old English hagtesse,

00:10:18.080 which is a term for a witch or night spirit,

00:10:20.980 which was later generalized

00:10:23.520 into this idea of this wizened old woman,

00:10:27.600 more associated with both magic and malice.

00:10:30.240 And across European folklore,

00:10:32.440 hags and crones are depicted as ugly,

00:10:34.620 elderly women living apart from the community

00:10:37.260 and engaging within witchcraft,

00:10:39.280 often as figures who threaten children

00:10:41.400 or twist weather or curse travelers,

00:10:44.740 which I'm just like getting

00:10:46.560 the sort of highlights reel

00:10:47.660 of just social media posts.

00:10:50.020 These ugly elderly women

00:10:52.180 living apart from the community

00:10:53.620 and engaging in witchcraft,

00:10:55.220 selling spills on Etsy,

00:10:56.720 threatening children,

00:10:57.840 you know, yelling at people on the streets,

00:10:59.480 twisting weather,

00:11:01.400 literally buying spells

00:11:02.380 to try to change the weather

00:11:03.460 and cursing travelers,

00:11:05.480 that is to say, you know,

00:11:06.560 yelling at people trying to go to work

00:11:08.100 as they protest.

00:11:09.420 So this is definitely still a thing.

00:11:11.360 It definitely still manifests.

00:11:13.160 Though at the same time,

00:11:14.460 early hag figures also

00:11:16.020 preserve traces of older wise woman tropes.

00:11:21.220 Like they would serve sometimes

00:11:23.440 as midwives or healers

00:11:25.140 or diviners or nature spirits

00:11:27.240 whose powers later got demonized

00:11:29.040 as witchcraft.

00:11:30.400 So again, I'm pointing out

00:11:31.820 that they're,

00:11:33.360 they used to kind of have a utility as well.

00:11:37.000 No, no.

00:11:37.580 I think you are misunderstanding

00:11:40.000 or you are reading recreated modern stories

00:11:44.000 about the swamp hag

00:11:45.800 that belies the truth

00:11:48.940 of what these stories

00:11:50.580 were meant to tell you.

00:11:51.640 So if a medieval story

00:11:54.500 told you about a swamp hag

00:11:56.460 that could heal you,

00:11:59.160 that this was always taught

00:12:01.120 as a warning.

00:12:02.580 Like she will say

00:12:04.160 that she will heal you.

00:12:05.860 Yeah, she might also eat your children.

00:12:07.500 I mean, no, I'm not,

00:12:08.580 I'm not questioning any of that.

00:12:10.140 No, no, but this is actually

00:12:11.260 very important

00:12:12.060 to understand

00:12:13.480 how the warning worked

00:12:15.260 and that the warning

00:12:16.380 should be listened to

00:12:17.560 in modern times.

00:12:18.720 If I go to one of these

00:12:20.640 crazy looking swamp hags

00:12:22.180 and I tell them

00:12:23.980 that I have,

00:12:25.240 in a modern context, right?

00:12:26.460 Because I haven't learned

00:12:27.380 to be afraid of them.

00:12:28.520 Yeah.

00:12:28.820 They will tell me

00:12:29.800 that they have esoteric knowledge

00:12:31.580 about healing.

00:12:32.360 I'm sure.

00:12:32.920 I'm like, I'm sick.

00:12:33.700 And they'll be like,

00:12:34.220 well, I have a special,

00:12:35.680 I've got these crystals,

00:12:36.760 I've got this, whatever.

00:12:38.340 And if you went

00:12:39.760 to one of these crazy people

00:12:41.920 who talked to themselves

00:12:43.120 and was, you know,

00:12:44.260 malformed living in the woods,

00:12:46.120 right?

00:12:46.480 And you went to talk to them,

00:12:48.020 you know, they, they,

00:12:48.780 they pull up their,

00:12:50.020 their charms

00:12:50.960 and little bone skulls

00:12:53.060 and everything like that.

00:12:54.060 And, and, and it's a,

00:12:55.380 in their e-voice,

00:12:56.580 I can heal you.

00:12:57.800 And we taught kids

00:12:59.400 run the F away

00:13:01.500 because the,

00:13:03.140 the things that they were doing

00:13:04.480 to heal in real life

00:13:05.620 likely caused more harm

00:13:07.660 than they did good.

00:13:08.920 And this is true across,

00:13:11.620 keep in mind,

00:13:11.980 this isn't just a,

00:13:12.780 a, a European concept.

00:13:15.200 Every culture had its swamp hacks.

00:13:18.420 You know, you go.

00:13:18.860 Yeah, you know,

00:13:19.280 so like the specific

00:13:20.080 old woman of the swamps

00:13:21.200 or swamp crone figure

00:13:22.460 appears in both native

00:13:23.740 and global folklore

00:13:24.940 as spirits born

00:13:26.140 from decaying tools

00:13:27.580 or matter

00:13:28.180 and personifying swampy decay

00:13:30.680 and moisture

00:13:31.460 as either,

00:13:32.740 sometimes as an ant

00:13:33.720 or an old woman

00:13:34.580 who haunts the wet lowlands.

00:13:35.840 Like this is definitely

00:13:36.920 not only a European thing.

00:13:39.040 And, and to the point

00:13:40.380 of like why a swamp hag

00:13:42.060 and not just a hag

00:13:43.140 swamps and bogs

00:13:44.540 have long been imagined

00:13:46.000 as really uncanny,

00:13:47.740 creepy spaces

00:13:48.480 with rot

00:13:49.320 and spirits

00:13:50.040 and monsters.

00:13:50.680 So attaching them

00:13:51.680 to these,

00:13:53.460 this type of person

00:13:54.540 is,

00:13:55.420 is considered act

00:13:56.520 because they're both

00:13:57.460 kind of liminal,

00:13:59.260 dangerous,

00:14:00.000 rotty,

00:14:00.500 decaying things.

00:14:02.400 It's not flattering,

00:14:03.580 but yeah.

00:14:04.420 Right.

00:14:04.660 But the,

00:14:05.120 the,

00:14:05.360 the point I wanted

00:14:06.500 to make here

00:14:07.160 is that across Europe,

00:14:09.040 you see this archetype

00:14:11.480 evolve convergently.

00:14:13.660 You know,

00:14:14.140 if you go to Russia,

00:14:15.580 you have the,

00:14:16.800 what's her name?

00:14:17.740 Well,

00:14:17.920 there's Baba Yaga,

00:14:19.040 are you thinking?

00:14:19.460 That's Slavic folklore.

00:14:20.420 Yeah, yeah.

00:14:21.360 Baba Yaga.

00:14:21.860 And,

00:14:21.960 and Baba Yaga

00:14:22.900 could heal you,

00:14:24.780 right?

00:14:24.940 Like she could do

00:14:26.160 positive things for you.

00:14:27.480 Yeah,

00:14:27.580 she could either eat you

00:14:28.600 or aid you.

00:14:29.680 She could,

00:14:30.080 she could threat you,

00:14:31.460 threaten you

00:14:32.620 or offer mentorship

00:14:33.660 for sure.

00:14:34.740 She looked it up.

00:14:35.820 She is this like

00:14:36.540 creepy hut

00:14:37.360 and bone fence

00:14:38.320 and skull lantern.

00:14:39.420 So I don't think

00:14:40.000 it's like,

00:14:41.040 it's not ambiguous.

00:14:42.920 This isn't a,

00:14:43.500 this isn't a candy house,

00:14:45.140 a gingerbread house.

00:14:46.740 And we learn about this.

00:14:47.800 I mean,

00:14:48.020 and I,

00:14:48.340 I point this out

00:14:49.140 in another episode.

00:14:49.700 You also see this

00:14:50.280 in the Jewish community.

00:14:51.720 While this has largely

00:14:52.540 been forgotten

00:14:53.240 that this is the way

00:14:54.140 this was originally

00:14:54.860 contextualized,

00:14:55.600 if you go to medieval

00:14:56.240 Jewish writings,

00:14:57.980 there is the figure

00:14:58.680 of the Baal Shem

00:14:59.580 and was in the rabbinic

00:15:01.240 community.

00:15:01.600 And you can read

00:15:02.160 their text on them.

00:15:02.920 Like today,

00:15:03.580 this is seen

00:15:04.000 as a respected thing.

00:15:04.920 But back in the medieval period,

00:15:06.460 these were quack doctors

00:15:08.060 who you were supposed

00:15:09.080 to stay away from

00:15:09.960 and were just as likely

00:15:11.220 to curse you

00:15:11.880 as they were to heal you.

00:15:13.220 And if you were

00:15:14.340 absolutely

00:15:15.380 at your wit

00:15:16.660 and desperate

00:15:17.980 and,

00:15:18.680 and,

00:15:18.920 and,

00:15:19.260 you know,

00:15:19.600 just as likely

00:15:20.380 to accidentally summon

00:15:21.280 a demon

00:15:21.700 as they were to,

00:15:23.180 or,

00:15:23.380 or a spirit

00:15:24.140 from the other side

00:15:24.900 as they were to

00:15:26.060 do something useful

00:15:27.420 with their powers

00:15:28.080 and you would only

00:15:28.620 go to them

00:15:29.060 as an absolute

00:15:30.040 last,

00:15:31.100 last choice.

00:15:31.860 And it was seen

00:15:32.340 as,

00:15:32.600 you know,

00:15:32.780 you're,

00:15:33.080 you're making a gamble

00:15:35.080 if you,

00:15:36.140 if you go to these

00:15:37.240 sort of traveling

00:15:38.620 folk healer type people.

00:15:41.040 As you remember,

00:15:41.700 I mentioned that

00:15:42.240 all of these variants

00:15:42.900 are unique,

00:15:43.520 like the version

00:15:44.100 of the Swamp Hagon,

00:15:45.100 like Ireland

00:15:46.220 would have been different

00:15:46.940 than the one in Russia,

00:15:47.860 like the Baba Yaga one

00:15:48.840 with the house

00:15:49.560 on chicken legs.

00:15:51.020 Within the Baal Shem stereotype,

00:15:53.680 it was unique

00:15:54.400 in that it was often

00:15:55.340 a male and often

00:15:57.160 a traveling snake oil salesman

00:15:59.880 sort of is what

00:16:00.520 you would think of it.

00:16:01.140 Somebody who would

00:16:02.680 come to your family

00:16:03.860 when you had a sick child

00:16:05.240 or something and say,

00:16:06.560 oh,

00:16:06.680 I can heal them

00:16:07.640 and then offer you

00:16:08.520 a collection of amulets

00:16:10.900 with magical inscriptions

00:16:12.620 on them

00:16:13.360 or various potions

00:16:15.060 or they would,

00:16:16.680 you know,

00:16:17.320 allow you to talk

00:16:18.920 to the dead

00:16:19.680 or raise the dead.

00:16:21.100 But when you did it,

00:16:21.860 they could do something wrong

00:16:23.380 and accidentally raise

00:16:24.240 a demon.

00:16:24.620 And I'd also note

00:16:25.760 that the Baal Shem

00:16:26.980 when they would make

00:16:27.680 these mistakes

00:16:28.220 were often not

00:16:29.100 exactly malicious.

00:16:30.480 They were either

00:16:31.180 con artists

00:16:32.200 trying to make money

00:16:33.120 by tricking people

00:16:34.000 with fake magic

00:16:34.940 or they were

00:16:36.440 people who were

00:16:37.700 untrained

00:16:38.740 or not trained enough

00:16:40.420 or who were

00:16:41.300 overly ambitious

00:16:42.300 in their mystical powers

00:16:43.480 who would often

00:16:44.680 overdo what they

00:16:46.100 were trying to do

00:16:47.240 and that that would lead

00:16:48.340 to evil

00:16:49.220 to seep into the world.

00:16:50.600 They were not

00:16:51.320 as often

00:16:52.180 directly antagonistic

00:16:53.640 like a typical

00:16:54.840 swamp witch

00:16:55.640 or Baba Yaga.

00:16:57.420 And these are all stories

00:16:58.300 that you can find

00:16:59.120 about the Baal Shem

00:16:59.820 from this period.

00:17:00.900 I know here

00:17:01.340 that many Jews today

00:17:02.140 would consider

00:17:02.680 even me mentioning this

00:17:03.740 because, you know,

00:17:04.320 whenever you mention

00:17:04.820 something that's inconvenient

00:17:05.840 for modern interpretations

00:17:06.880 of Judaism,

00:17:07.360 it's somehow

00:17:07.920 anti-Semitic

00:17:08.820 to many Jews

00:17:09.880 even if it's just

00:17:10.720 a fact

00:17:12.360 that just

00:17:13.400 is easy to search

00:17:14.440 that the Jews today

00:17:16.500 would say this is anti-Semitic

00:17:17.400 because there was

00:17:17.760 the Baal Shem Tav

00:17:18.560 which basically

00:17:19.580 translates to

00:17:20.140 the good witch

00:17:20.740 or the good Baal Shem

00:17:21.640 who became very important

00:17:22.760 in Jewish history

00:17:23.640 and became the founder

00:17:25.380 of the Hasidic movement

00:17:26.460 and the Jewish tradition

00:17:28.400 ended up

00:17:29.300 instead of

00:17:30.400 like the Christian tradition

00:17:31.640 keeping this mystical

00:17:32.960 offshoot

00:17:33.440 completely isolated

00:17:35.160 and othered

00:17:36.200 in part

00:17:36.860 integrating with it

00:17:37.740 and you could say

00:17:38.260 well that's horrible

00:17:38.920 and of course

00:17:39.700 from my religious

00:17:40.400 and theological perspective

00:17:41.360 I might feel that way

00:17:43.460 which is why

00:17:44.220 I made the mistake

00:17:44.960 about Baal Shem Tav

00:17:45.660 in a previous episode

00:17:46.700 because to me

00:17:48.000 that's the way

00:17:48.920 I see them

00:17:49.840 but you've got to

00:17:51.300 keep in mind

00:17:51.740 that the Jews

00:17:52.140 haven't been affected

00:17:52.820 by all of this

00:17:53.520 all of the urban monoculture

00:17:54.960 as much as other traditions

00:17:56.000 their fertility rates

00:17:57.300 are still really

00:17:58.000 really strong

00:17:58.720 so was this

00:18:00.820 the protective element

00:18:01.980 for them?

00:18:02.400 I don't know

00:18:02.780 but it might have been

00:18:03.900 it might have been

00:18:04.900 the not othering of this

00:18:06.520 and I'll also note here

00:18:08.280 that it is very notable

00:18:10.140 that the Baal Shem

00:18:11.100 versus the Swamp Witch

00:18:12.220 in the western tradition

00:18:12.960 is a male figure

00:18:14.660 and if you look

00:18:15.960 at the Jews

00:18:17.080 who are getting involved

00:18:18.320 in these protests

00:18:19.040 they are much more likely

00:18:21.160 to be male

00:18:22.240 than the other

00:18:24.380 Christian European

00:18:25.300 descendants

00:18:26.200 who are getting involved

00:18:26.940 who are much more likely

00:18:27.620 to be these

00:18:28.100 these malformed females

00:18:29.740 another interesting difference

00:18:31.720 is that the Baal Shem

00:18:33.880 were a city based thing

00:18:36.260 so when you were looking at

00:18:38.140 you know

00:18:38.520 European medieval peasants

00:18:40.460 who would have lived

00:18:41.320 in country environments

00:18:42.320 the mystic would live

00:18:44.240 in the swamp

00:18:45.300 or something like that

00:18:46.240 or basically

00:18:46.980 on the outskirts

00:18:47.800 of the villages

00:18:48.380 is what that translates to

00:18:50.260 but because Jews

00:18:51.480 almost always lived

00:18:52.420 in urban environments

00:18:53.520 their version

00:18:54.920 of the potentially

00:18:56.620 dangerous magic user

00:18:58.800 was sort of

00:19:00.460 a huckster selling things

00:19:02.140 which is also very

00:19:02.880 sort of

00:19:03.380 it fits into

00:19:04.160 Jewish stereotypes there

00:19:05.220 final note here

00:19:06.580 is if you're like

00:19:07.500 well the you know

00:19:08.560 swamp which is

00:19:09.700 the swamp hags

00:19:10.420 these people

00:19:10.940 were not actually Christians

00:19:12.220 where the Baal Shems

00:19:12.860 were actually an iteration

00:19:13.760 of Judaism

00:19:14.480 I would note here

00:19:15.700 that that's just factually

00:19:17.120 not true

00:19:17.520 when you look at history

00:19:18.480 a lot of what

00:19:20.360 the swamp hags were

00:19:22.160 were different iterations

00:19:23.560 or different perspectives

00:19:24.700 on the Christian tradition

00:19:26.720 as opposed to something

00:19:28.340 entirely unique

00:19:29.320 they might weave

00:19:30.360 a little bit

00:19:31.800 of external

00:19:33.020 or local historic knowledge

00:19:35.040 but so did the Baal Shem

00:19:36.960 of this period

00:19:38.180 and they taught

00:19:39.520 these stories

00:19:40.320 across communities

00:19:41.780 because these people

00:19:43.060 existed

00:19:43.940 and they had

00:19:45.280 convergent behavior patterns

00:19:46.660 and I think

00:19:47.140 what's really fascinating

00:19:48.280 about the swamp hag

00:19:51.060 is the behavior practices

00:19:53.820 that she was drawn to

00:19:55.960 historically

00:19:56.940 in the medieval period

00:19:58.120 and that we used

00:19:59.300 to warn our kids about

00:20:00.640 are not at all

00:20:02.740 incongruent

00:20:03.760 with the behavior practices

00:20:05.420 of the swamp hag today

00:20:07.780 which is to say

00:20:08.820 these women

00:20:10.320 who

00:20:10.780 offers wisdom

00:20:11.740 offers cures

00:20:12.980 they're often Wiccan

00:20:14.660 of some sort

00:20:15.740 they often have

00:20:16.620 sort of alternate

00:20:17.640 metaphysical framework

00:20:18.840 for reality

00:20:19.560 that contrasts

00:20:21.100 with main societies

00:20:21.800 they often

00:20:22.780 and the question is

00:20:23.980 is

00:20:24.400 why?

00:20:26.180 why is it so easy

00:20:27.900 to be like

00:20:28.400 oh

00:20:29.000 these are people

00:20:30.000 who are going to

00:20:31.140 search for

00:20:32.380 alternate

00:20:33.140 sort of social orders

00:20:34.440 alternate metaphysical

00:20:35.540 frameworks

00:20:36.060 to search for meaning

00:20:37.580 in mysticism

00:20:39.000 and the answer is

00:20:40.440 I think really interesting

00:20:41.560 is why you see

00:20:42.140 this convergent phenomenon

00:20:43.000 across cultures

00:20:44.800 across communities

00:20:46.000 is that

00:20:47.580 if you are

00:20:49.560 genetically

00:20:50.460 like a person

00:20:51.120 can look at you

00:20:51.920 and judge

00:20:52.900 often

00:20:53.620 what your role

00:20:54.860 like what your status

00:20:55.960 should be in society

00:20:56.680 really quickly

00:20:57.200 like we as a society

00:20:58.040 have moved past that

00:20:59.600 and it's led to some problems

00:21:00.960 because physiognomy

00:21:02.160 does tell you

00:21:04.080 you know

00:21:04.460 like the way a person

00:21:05.080 will vote

00:21:05.460 AI can tell really highly

00:21:06.620 a person's personality

00:21:07.800 AI can tell really highly

00:21:08.820 people can guess these things

00:21:09.820 by looking at a person's physiognomy

00:21:10.920 and often a person's competence

00:21:13.480 right

00:21:14.060 and so

00:21:15.700 if you're living in a society

00:21:17.380 where we're still making judgments

00:21:18.460 and you are born

00:21:19.780 with a physiognomy

00:21:20.700 that is just very clearly

00:21:22.320 you know

00:21:23.120 and behavioral traits

00:21:25.240 which augment that physiognomy

00:21:27.360 like if you were born

00:21:28.080 with one of these physiognomies

00:21:28.960 you're also likely

00:21:29.840 to have sociological traits

00:21:30.860 that'll have you

00:21:31.320 be less conscientious

00:21:32.500 and so maybe you bathe less

00:21:34.360 and so you

00:21:35.020 organize your house less

00:21:36.520 and so

00:21:37.160 when you go to

00:21:38.200 the Swamp Hags house

00:21:39.500 what does it look like

00:21:40.860 right

00:21:41.160 it is

00:21:41.480 it is a mess

00:21:42.400 there is

00:21:43.020 there is stuff everywhere

00:21:43.980 there's

00:21:44.300 there's rotting food

00:21:45.400 on a table

00:21:46.260 there's

00:21:46.700 you know

00:21:47.140 you go to one of these

00:21:48.560 modern Swamp Hag houses

00:21:49.620 what do you expect it

00:21:51.160 to look like

00:21:51.780 modern Swamp Hag house

00:21:53.700 which just sounds great

00:21:54.780 you expect it to look

00:21:56.480 the same

00:21:57.680 of

00:21:58.340 of

00:21:58.680 you know

00:21:59.480 yeah

00:22:00.220 it's just

00:22:01.040 instead of like

00:22:02.240 rotted flowers

00:22:03.180 there's empty

00:22:03.960 Glade plugins

00:22:04.720 all over the floor

00:22:05.560 but you

00:22:06.460 let me

00:22:07.000 let me

00:22:07.380 hold on

00:22:08.020 I just want to finish

00:22:08.720 what I'm saying here

00:22:09.240 all right

00:22:09.540 and then you need to give me

00:22:10.420 time to move this forward

00:22:11.380 to

00:22:11.540 you as a Swamp Hag

00:22:12.920 modern times

00:22:14.320 or the past

00:22:14.900 because

00:22:15.260 you

00:22:16.380 cannot find status

00:22:18.380 within the existing

00:22:19.960 world's

00:22:21.060 metaphysical framework

00:22:22.120 or within the existing

00:22:23.300 world's

00:22:24.020 things that you could do

00:22:24.980 to like

00:22:25.400 find a husband

00:22:26.400 have kids

00:22:27.420 work your farm

00:22:28.520 etc

00:22:29.080 you

00:22:29.960 look

00:22:30.760 for

00:22:31.480 alternate

00:22:32.280 sources

00:22:32.760 and the easiest

00:22:33.780 way to build

00:22:34.620 alternate sources

00:22:35.580 is to build

00:22:36.920 up

00:22:37.780 an alternate

00:22:38.700 and completely

00:22:39.680 internal and subjective

00:22:41.180 metaphysical framework

00:22:42.640 and that's ultimately

00:22:43.780 what mysticism is

00:22:44.900 and one of the reasons

00:22:45.500 why we

00:22:45.920 try to be

00:22:46.720 you know

00:22:47.120 preach against it

00:22:47.800 on the podcast

00:22:48.420 because I think

00:22:49.400 the Swamp Hag

00:22:50.220 is

00:22:51.240 part and parcel

00:22:52.500 with

00:22:53.540 the

00:22:54.200 the mystic

00:22:54.960 outsider

00:22:55.580 as opposed to

00:22:56.620 trying to

00:22:57.360 build constructively

00:22:58.720 within

00:22:59.240 objectively

00:23:00.200 observable

00:23:01.100 frameworks

00:23:02.060 and frameworks

00:23:02.940 that can easily

00:23:04.060 be debated

00:23:05.280 within a community

00:23:06.620 but continue Simone

00:23:07.340 so I would point out

00:23:09.820 this this is not

00:23:10.980 purely a genetic

00:23:11.820 thing and it's

00:23:12.880 the Swamp Hag

00:23:13.840 is different

00:23:15.880 plus the Banshee

00:23:17.300 they're different

00:23:17.940 from spiteful mutants

00:23:19.240 and that

00:23:19.720 they are

00:23:21.900 sometimes

00:23:22.860 time-based

00:23:23.800 or life

00:23:24.440 period

00:23:24.880 based

00:23:25.320 things

00:23:26.060 you could

00:23:26.820 have

00:23:27.080 someone

00:23:27.360 who was

00:23:27.700 a normal

00:23:28.220 member

00:23:28.500 of society

00:23:29.100 for most

00:23:29.560 of their

00:23:29.820 lives

00:23:30.260 and then

00:23:30.680 I don't know

00:23:31.220 they end up

00:23:31.740 divorced

00:23:32.580 or widowed

00:23:33.320 and childless

00:23:34.240 and suddenly

00:23:34.760 they become

00:23:35.480 a Swamp Hag

00:23:36.100 a lot of it

00:23:36.940 has to do

00:23:37.520 with the

00:23:37.920 perfect storm

00:23:38.600 of circumstances

00:23:39.360 that lead

00:23:39.900 them to a

00:23:40.320 certain state

00:23:41.140 and these

00:23:42.140 types of

00:23:42.700 crazy women

00:23:43.400 crazy liminal

00:23:44.260 women

00:23:44.620 specifically

00:23:45.400 that manifest

00:23:46.340 historically

00:23:47.140 as Banshees

00:23:48.080 or as Swamp Hags

00:23:49.000 they're often

00:23:49.780 educated

00:23:50.380 like Banshees

00:23:51.300 are not

00:23:51.760 necessarily

00:23:52.460 old women

00:23:53.100 Swamp Hag

00:23:53.700 Swamp Hags

00:23:54.640 typically are

00:23:55.500 but the Banshee

00:23:56.720 is something

00:23:58.760 that as I said

00:23:59.840 at the top

00:24:00.380 Asmongol has

00:24:01.140 sometimes referred

00:24:01.720 to too

00:24:02.140 or people

00:24:02.680 in his chat

00:24:03.160 have recognized

00:24:03.620 like oh my god

00:24:04.300 she's a literal

00:24:04.780 Banshee

00:24:05.180 which people

00:24:06.060 now mostly

00:24:07.220 recognize

00:24:07.720 as like oh

00:24:08.580 like a screaming

00:24:09.540 woman

00:24:10.280 but originally

00:24:11.780 the concept

00:24:12.720 was this Irish

00:24:13.540 and Scottish

00:24:14.160 otherworld woman

00:24:15.120 who keens

00:24:16.000 for the dead

00:24:16.720 of particular

00:24:17.300 families

00:24:17.880 and then

00:24:18.400 this trope

00:24:20.340 only later

00:24:21.000 became

00:24:21.720 this generalized

00:24:22.760 screaming

00:24:23.600 death ghost

00:24:24.300 or attack monster

00:24:25.320 but the word

00:24:26.700 Banshee

00:24:27.060 comes from

00:24:28.080 this Irish

00:24:29.660 word meaning

00:24:30.400 woman of the

00:24:31.280 mounds

00:24:31.920 or otherworldly

00:24:32.700 woman

00:24:33.020 and she's

00:24:34.420 part of this

00:24:34.820 wider

00:24:35.280 fairy mythos

00:24:36.740 and she's

00:24:38.160 traditionally

00:24:38.980 the Banshee

00:24:39.600 is supposed

00:24:40.040 to be actually

00:24:40.700 a family

00:24:41.500 specific spirit

00:24:42.420 like there would

00:24:42.980 be the Collins

00:24:43.700 Banshee

00:24:44.520 I think

00:24:45.100 they were

00:24:45.740 attached to

00:24:46.280 old Gaelic

00:24:46.880 lineages

00:24:47.400 and then

00:24:48.320 they

00:24:48.740 if they

00:24:49.640 wailed

00:24:50.020 or you

00:24:50.340 heard

00:24:50.560 their

00:24:50.760 wailing

00:24:51.080 it would

00:24:51.420 foretell

00:24:52.000 the death

00:24:52.540 of a member

00:24:53.020 of that

00:24:53.380 family

00:24:53.860 and

00:24:54.560 the Banshee

00:24:56.840 is not

00:24:57.440 she's not

00:24:58.240 intended to

00:24:59.060 be malicious

00:24:59.720 her keening

00:25:00.800 functions as

00:25:01.920 both a

00:25:02.620 warning

00:25:03.060 and a

00:25:03.580 warning

00:25:04.120 making her

00:25:05.140 more of

00:25:05.400 like a

00:25:05.720 messenger

00:25:06.140 or guardian

00:25:06.880 than a

00:25:07.440 killer

00:25:07.760 and some

00:25:08.620 stories portray

00:25:09.380 Banshees

00:25:10.020 as this

00:25:10.780 grieving

00:25:11.420 deeply

00:25:12.180 for the

00:25:12.980 person who's

00:25:13.520 going to

00:25:14.060 die

00:25:14.480 and I

00:25:15.300 feel like

00:25:15.760 this like

00:25:16.220 Greta Thunberg

00:25:16.940 is a great

00:25:17.540 example

00:25:18.040 of the

00:25:19.000 modern

00:25:19.400 Banshee

00:25:20.020 where

00:25:20.980 you know

00:25:21.560 in this

00:25:21.920 globalized

00:25:22.540 world where

00:25:23.180 women are

00:25:23.600 no longer

00:25:24.020 of a

00:25:24.480 specific

00:25:24.800 family

00:25:25.200 and community

00:25:26.000 what they

00:25:27.020 are trying

00:25:27.800 to keen

00:25:28.400 for

00:25:28.880 or mourn

00:25:30.100 or cry

00:25:30.820 about are

00:25:31.480 things they

00:25:32.020 believe are

00:25:32.520 going to

00:25:32.900 die

00:25:33.160 like the

00:25:33.660 environment

00:25:34.320 or like

00:25:35.220 Gaza

00:25:36.040 and so you

00:25:37.000 have this

00:25:37.500 keening

00:25:37.960 screaming

00:25:38.760 wailing

00:25:39.320 person

00:25:39.980 and they

00:25:40.960 are the

00:25:41.260 modern

00:25:41.600 Banshee

00:25:42.260 it's

00:25:42.920 interesting

00:25:43.240 to me

00:25:43.500 how little

00:25:43.820 she seems

00:25:44.180 to care

00:25:44.400 about the

00:25:44.660 Iranians

00:25:45.220 it's about

00:25:47.760 their chosen

00:25:48.860 affiliation

00:25:49.660 now you

00:25:50.120 choose your

00:25:50.660 cultural family

00:25:51.400 so they

00:25:51.760 keen

00:25:52.280 for their

00:25:53.260 chosen

00:25:54.020 families

00:25:54.840 but yeah

00:25:55.740 I mean

00:25:56.040 I do

00:25:56.980 think

00:25:57.140 you need

00:25:57.920 to remember

00:25:58.500 that the

00:25:59.380 Banshee

00:25:59.700 is not

00:26:00.140 for everyone

00:26:00.920 some accounts

00:26:01.740 just restrict

00:26:02.280 Banshees

00:26:02.680 to just

00:26:03.060 a few

00:26:03.620 ancient

00:26:04.100 aristocratic

00:26:04.720 families

00:26:05.380 some extend

00:26:06.360 them to a

00:26:06.800 wider range

00:26:07.440 of surnames

00:26:08.320 to even

00:26:08.900 like a whole

00:26:09.360 diaspora

00:26:09.900 but this

00:26:10.520 is a very

00:26:11.320 specific thing

00:26:12.340 and I

00:26:13.220 didn't know

00:26:13.660 that until

00:26:14.200 I looked

00:26:14.540 into this

00:26:14.920 yeah I

00:26:15.180 think it's

00:26:15.420 really

00:26:15.580 interesting

00:26:16.000 and some

00:26:17.100 historians

00:26:17.520 think this

00:26:18.060 is because

00:26:18.540 some

00:26:19.560 moneyed

00:26:20.700 families

00:26:21.180 similar to

00:26:22.400 like an

00:26:22.680 ancient

00:26:22.940 Egypt

00:26:23.240 I didn't

00:26:23.600 know this

00:26:23.880 was also

00:26:24.300 a Celtic

00:26:24.800 thing

00:26:25.060 would hire

00:26:26.000 keeners

00:26:26.680 that this

00:26:27.460 is to say

00:26:27.840 professional

00:26:28.380 women who

00:26:28.900 would lean

00:26:29.420 lead in

00:26:30.680 in funeral

00:26:31.260 laments

00:26:32.180 and cry

00:26:33.560 professionally

00:26:34.480 I keep

00:26:35.840 thinking of

00:26:36.360 that I mean

00:26:36.860 this isn't

00:26:37.280 just a Celtic

00:26:38.780 thing or an

00:26:39.280 ancient Egyptian

00:26:39.820 thing this is

00:26:40.780 also something

00:26:41.300 that happens

00:26:41.980 in some

00:26:42.400 country in

00:26:42.800 Asia and

00:26:43.800 in one of

00:26:44.460 the idiot

00:26:44.920 abroad episodes

00:26:45.800 Carol Pilkington

00:26:46.700 trains in

00:26:47.180 this do you

00:26:47.820 remember that

00:26:48.200 episode

00:26:48.620 what is it

00:26:49.760 oh yes

00:26:50.120 the whaling

00:26:50.820 yeah

00:26:51.600 yeah so

00:26:52.800 there there

00:26:53.320 is like I

00:26:54.180 don't know

00:26:54.400 convergently

00:26:55.080 evolved this

00:26:56.180 need to hire

00:26:58.200 someone to

00:26:58.820 grieve professionally

00:26:59.660 but that's where

00:27:00.620 historians think

00:27:01.580 this concept of

00:27:02.660 the banshee

00:27:03.120 came from

00:27:03.540 like first

00:27:04.100 these these

00:27:04.920 families would

00:27:05.920 hire women to

00:27:06.680 grieve at

00:27:07.000 funerals and

00:27:08.000 then there came

00:27:08.640 this mythological

00:27:09.440 concept of this

00:27:10.460 woman who's

00:27:11.760 who's screaming

00:27:12.660 and freaking

00:27:13.700 out in in

00:27:15.080 anticipatory

00:27:16.300 mourning of

00:27:17.260 the family

00:27:18.300 member to

00:27:18.780 die and I

00:27:19.620 just feel like

00:27:20.060 that is the

00:27:20.520 modern banshee

00:27:21.180 so like there's

00:27:21.800 also this this

00:27:22.540 young woman

00:27:23.040 concept but

00:27:24.040 still this is

00:27:24.920 this is typically

00:27:25.740 viewed as

00:27:27.120 personified as

00:27:28.280 a single

00:27:28.880 unattached

00:27:29.440 woman and

00:27:29.900 that's what

00:27:30.260 banshees and

00:27:30.940 and hags

00:27:31.680 I'm thinking if

00:27:32.280 our family had

00:27:32.820 the banshee

00:27:33.260 no oh

00:27:34.380 whatever no

00:27:36.100 no but

00:27:37.120 here's here's

00:27:38.320 how I mean

00:27:39.060 like where

00:27:40.740 we lost the

00:27:41.460 plot was

00:27:42.300 hags and

00:27:43.100 crones and

00:27:44.360 and and

00:27:45.040 banshees became

00:27:46.200 one note

00:27:47.280 and in in

00:27:48.520 like video

00:27:48.960 games and

00:27:49.400 movies were

00:27:49.860 like now

00:27:50.200 banshees are

00:27:51.000 like a

00:27:52.000 generic summit

00:27:53.200 sonic weapon

00:27:54.060 monsters in

00:27:55.160 games and

00:27:55.940 stuff like oh

00:27:57.020 you know there

00:27:57.440 were I think

00:27:57.960 are there

00:27:58.280 banshees in

00:27:58.860 dnd where

00:27:59.520 you just like

00:28:00.160 they're a

00:28:00.660 sonic weapon

00:28:01.160 basically

00:28:01.560 dnd hags

00:28:04.260 are much

00:28:04.560 more developed

00:28:05.040 you have

00:28:05.500 you have

00:28:06.240 like green

00:28:06.940 hags and

00:28:08.000 they're like

00:28:09.180 they're tactical

00:28:10.020 things you know

00:28:11.040 they're so we

00:28:11.700 sort of lost

00:28:12.420 the lore and

00:28:13.100 the understanding

00:28:13.640 of how this

00:28:14.160 is supposed to

00:28:14.680 help us relate

00:28:15.300 with certain

00:28:15.740 types of

00:28:16.200 women in

00:28:16.580 society and

00:28:17.780 I think that's

00:28:18.300 where we lost

00:28:19.060 the plot but

00:28:20.080 I do think

00:28:20.480 that there's

00:28:20.780 some I got to

00:28:22.020 tell you lore

00:28:22.720 of hags in

00:28:23.540 dnd because

00:28:24.180 it's interesting

00:28:24.760 is they will

00:28:26.580 steal children

00:28:27.560 and then eat

00:28:28.620 them and then

00:28:29.760 they give

00:28:30.580 birth to

00:28:31.540 them again

00:28:32.280 after that

00:28:33.020 gross

00:28:33.480 and then that

00:28:34.520 is how hags

00:28:35.200 are born and

00:28:36.200 they look just

00:28:37.300 like they used

00:28:38.340 to look and

00:28:38.880 act just like

00:28:39.520 they used to

00:28:40.000 act until they

00:28:40.860 like go through

00:28:41.380 puberty and

00:28:42.340 then they transform

00:28:43.180 into hags and

00:28:45.000 like kill their

00:28:45.600 family or whatever

00:28:46.380 and that's why

00:28:47.360 you cannot let

00:28:48.020 your kids go and

00:28:48.900 talk to the old

00:28:50.220 mystical woman in

00:28:51.460 the woods who

00:28:52.020 doesn't practice

00:28:52.520 good hygiene

00:28:53.020 because when

00:28:54.120 they no but

00:28:54.700 it's actually

00:28:55.220 this is

00:28:55.940 no no we're

00:28:56.980 going back to

00:28:57.540 no no but

00:28:58.360 it's important

00:28:58.940 you can

00:28:59.740 become a

00:29:00.340 hag if you

00:29:01.140 let your

00:29:01.460 children engage

00:29:02.680 with hags

00:29:03.140 they will

00:29:03.760 become hags

00:29:04.540 yeah more

00:29:04.840 commonly they

00:29:05.460 just get you

00:29:06.160 know mythologically

00:29:06.800 killed like just

00:29:07.580 don't don't let

00:29:08.300 your kids around

00:29:08.980 the crazy woman

00:29:09.680 but let's go to

00:29:10.920 the common

00:29:11.320 characteristics of

00:29:12.480 this type of

00:29:13.320 thing just to

00:29:14.600 bring it together

00:29:15.580 so you can know

00:29:16.240 what to recognize

00:29:17.000 in modern times

00:29:18.080 they are often

00:29:20.040 in swamps or

00:29:21.240 we'll just say

00:29:21.840 liminal areas

00:29:23.200 they are

00:29:24.200 responsible only

00:29:25.480 for themselves

00:29:26.080 they are not

00:29:27.100 more to a

00:29:27.600 husband or a

00:29:28.360 church or a

00:29:28.980 family or a

00:29:29.640 community they

00:29:30.840 are female and

00:29:32.480 let's be clear

00:29:33.060 there are liminal

00:29:34.140 males who are

00:29:34.780 also dangerous

00:29:35.540 there's the

00:29:36.080 marauder slash

00:29:36.840 vagrant slash

00:29:37.840 outlaw or

00:29:38.580 bandit then

00:29:39.540 there's also the

00:29:40.180 hermit and wild

00:29:40.920 man of the woods

00:29:41.580 that are more

00:29:42.080 like neutral then

00:29:43.480 there's a wizard

00:29:44.080 just I think

00:29:45.180 similar to like a

00:29:45.880 witch where they

00:29:46.320 can be helpful and

00:29:47.320 powerful and stuff

00:29:48.140 right and then

00:29:49.000 there's also just

00:29:49.640 the random

00:29:50.300 trickster and

00:29:52.000 finally there

00:29:53.540 they are chaotic

00:29:54.640 figures that when

00:29:55.580 doing good at

00:29:57.220 best provide

00:29:57.980 warnings or

00:29:59.220 cures or

00:30:00.000 healing or

00:30:00.660 medical care or

00:30:01.560 wisdom if you're

00:30:03.140 lucky but more

00:30:04.280 commonly they do

00:30:05.240 evil and they're

00:30:06.200 at the very least

00:30:07.900 loud and annoying

00:30:08.720 or they disrupt

00:30:10.220 order but then of

00:30:11.440 course at worst

00:30:12.000 they will curse

00:30:12.640 poison and kill

00:30:13.440 but I think that

00:30:15.080 the one

00:30:16.200 manifestation of

00:30:17.460 the modern

00:30:17.900 mythological hag

00:30:18.820 like when society

00:30:19.820 has attempted to

00:30:20.880 explain

00:30:21.400 this concept

00:30:22.720 and provide a

00:30:23.980 place for them

00:30:24.740 and also

00:30:25.640 try to

00:30:26.500 try to

00:30:28.020 tactically

00:30:28.700 marginalize them

00:30:29.820 to be like no

00:30:30.600 we need to put

00:30:31.420 this group in

00:30:32.020 its place it

00:30:32.680 doesn't deserve

00:30:33.360 a voice

00:30:34.020 what have

00:30:35.400 do you know

00:30:35.820 they've done

00:30:36.360 what have

00:30:37.300 they done

00:30:37.620 the Karen

00:30:38.200 the Karen

00:30:39.260 is the

00:30:39.720 mythological

00:30:40.300 hag of our

00:30:41.020 modern times

00:30:41.580 but it's not

00:30:42.440 fully baked

00:30:43.680 as a concept

00:30:44.560 and that's

00:30:45.360 because it

00:30:46.020 was it was

00:30:47.120 created

00:30:47.760 arguably

00:30:49.240 and interestingly

00:30:50.660 enough by the

00:30:51.340 black community

00:30:52.000 arguably

00:30:53.120 again

00:30:53.760 and I don't

00:30:54.700 think they

00:30:55.020 fully understood

00:30:56.040 the black

00:30:57.580 community created

00:30:58.360 everything

00:30:59.000 yeah

00:30:59.380 no no no

00:31:00.160 I'll give you

00:31:00.860 the history

00:31:01.260 but like the

00:31:02.020 problem is that

00:31:02.680 when the black

00:31:03.300 community kind of

00:31:03.940 recognized the

00:31:04.920 need to marginalize

00:31:06.260 the hag

00:31:06.900 they didn't

00:31:07.940 understand the

00:31:09.020 mythological depth

00:31:10.120 and nuance of

00:31:11.140 the hag so they

00:31:11.940 didn't they

00:31:12.640 didn't have they

00:31:13.300 didn't know the

00:31:13.860 spells to to

00:31:15.760 silo her you

00:31:16.960 know to like put

00:31:17.480 her back in

00:31:17.940 her box okay

00:31:19.000 and and that's

00:31:20.380 the problem is

00:31:21.560 is they they

00:31:22.760 recognize the

00:31:23.580 hag but they

00:31:24.400 couldn't put her

00:31:25.000 in the box

00:31:25.520 and and they

00:31:27.580 you have to keep

00:31:30.360 in mind that they

00:31:30.840 really Karen's

00:31:31.700 really are the

00:31:32.340 hag they like

00:31:33.660 mythological figures

00:31:34.620 disproportionately

00:31:35.500 occupy swamps

00:31:36.740 right what are

00:31:37.480 swamps today but

00:31:39.060 large bureaucracies

00:31:40.280 literally when Trump

00:31:41.300 ran for office the

00:31:42.080 first time it was

00:31:42.680 to drain the

00:31:43.520 swamp okay

00:31:44.500 it's full of

00:31:46.000 swamp hags

00:31:46.780 and then also

00:31:47.820 like these

00:31:48.340 mythological figures

00:31:49.280 they are

00:31:49.700 disproportionately of

00:31:50.820 European ancestry

00:31:52.700 one one of our

00:31:54.080 our listeners

00:31:54.620 actually proposed

00:31:55.760 this concept of

00:31:56.960 of the Karen is

00:31:58.640 just being sort of

00:31:59.400 a racist concept

00:32:00.560 against European

00:32:01.560 women she she

00:32:03.040 wrote to me I

00:32:04.880 I think the Karen

00:32:05.740 thing is a brown

00:32:06.620 people taking charge

00:32:08.020 of culture thing

00:32:08.820 and to her point

00:32:09.880 the Karen was as

00:32:12.840 a named trope for

00:32:14.320 an entitled abrasive

00:32:15.480 unusually white

00:32:16.160 woman emerged

00:32:16.920 online in the

00:32:17.880 2010s and

00:32:18.620 crystallized through

00:32:19.420 reddit and black

00:32:20.680 twitter and and

00:32:22.100 so to go back to

00:32:22.980 what this this

00:32:23.840 listener to base

00:32:24.560 camp said she

00:32:25.660 said picture old

00:32:27.100 German woman white

00:32:27.940 woman keeping

00:32:28.580 everyone in line and

00:32:29.540 making sure they

00:32:30.160 obey the rules

00:32:30.940 Karen lets white

00:32:32.380 women know they

00:32:33.280 can't be oppressive

00:32:34.140 rule enforcers

00:32:35.060 anymore so she's

00:32:36.260 pointing out that

00:32:36.980 starting with black

00:32:38.080 twitter and then

00:32:38.680 emanating from there

00:32:39.720 people were trying

00:32:41.020 to use the word

00:32:42.260 Karen to point

00:32:43.420 out that this

00:32:44.280 type of woman

00:32:44.940 doesn't deserve a

00:32:46.000 leadership position

00:32:46.920 or shouldn't

00:32:48.320 shouldn't get a

00:32:49.200 leadership position

00:32:49.960 this this same

00:32:51.080 base camp listener

00:32:51.920 told the story of a

00:32:53.040 time when she and

00:32:53.780 her husband were

00:32:54.320 late for a plane

00:32:55.120 in a south

00:32:56.380 american country

00:32:57.180 and the airline

00:32:58.680 literally held it

00:33:00.000 for her she wrote

00:33:01.300 they made 300

00:33:01.900 people wait an

00:33:02.640 extra five minutes

00:33:03.460 or so for two

00:33:04.220 irresponsible people

00:33:05.280 we didn't think it

00:33:06.260 was okay we

00:33:07.040 didn't think they

00:33:07.940 should wait for us

00:33:08.620 but the culture

00:33:09.380 was be chill

00:33:10.600 and that's I

00:33:11.940 also why they

00:33:12.620 never be rich

00:33:13.320 or outcomplete

00:33:13.900 cultures that

00:33:14.720 value not being

00:33:15.780 chill so she she

00:33:17.080 was pointing out

00:33:17.640 actually that there

00:33:18.700 is value to the

00:33:19.420 Karen and that

00:33:20.020 the Karen sort of

00:33:21.980 in the same

00:33:22.780 annoying keening

00:33:23.800 warning abrasive

00:33:25.720 role also does

00:33:27.840 keep things in

00:33:29.000 check she I mean

00:33:30.100 she'll eat the

00:33:30.660 children who get

00:33:31.740 unruly and run

00:33:32.720 out of town I

00:33:33.560 think you're mixing

00:33:34.300 up concept here so

00:33:35.480 maybe but let me

00:33:36.720 let me let me

00:33:37.480 let me conclude

00:33:38.660 and then you can

00:33:39.180 provide your

00:33:39.600 editorialization at

00:33:40.600 the end okay

00:33:41.400 thank you she

00:33:44.780 also pointed out

00:33:45.460 that studies have

00:33:46.260 been done on

00:33:46.920 preferences for

00:33:47.820 quiet showing that

00:33:48.800 northern european

00:33:49.680 genome strongly

00:33:50.820 prefers quiet

00:33:52.220 compared to

00:33:52.860 southern which I

00:33:53.820 think is interesting

00:33:54.400 but I think really

00:33:55.720 the the important

00:33:56.880 thing about saving

00:33:58.420 Karens both like

00:34:00.000 for their own

00:34:00.680 sake and well-being

00:34:01.660 and for the sake

00:34:02.520 of like the

00:34:03.100 well-being of the

00:34:03.820 rest of us and

00:34:04.580 society at large is

00:34:06.420 that we have to

00:34:07.440 we have to really

00:34:10.220 properly contextualize

00:34:11.720 them and recognize

00:34:12.460 recognize them as

00:34:14.040 swamp hags and as

00:34:15.120 banshees and one

00:34:16.920 can imagine that in

00:34:17.680 the past if there

00:34:18.780 was an abrasive

00:34:19.540 woman living in

00:34:20.180 town or living just

00:34:21.140 outside of town who

00:34:21.880 ringed residents or

00:34:23.440 annoyed people people

00:34:25.040 would just shrug them

00:34:26.200 off saying well

00:34:27.300 that's the old town

00:34:28.340 crone or little

00:34:29.800 Jimmy don't go out

00:34:30.640 of town because the

00:34:31.380 small pack is gonna

00:34:32.420 probably kill you

00:34:34.200 and and our problem

00:34:35.700 now is I think we're

00:34:36.760 attempting to treat

00:34:37.740 women swamp modern

00:34:39.620 swamp hags as

00:34:41.140 equals when in

00:34:42.200 reality they're

00:34:43.000 liminal beings I'm

00:34:44.140 not saying they're

00:34:44.700 lesser per se but

00:34:45.740 they're from a

00:34:46.600 different world

00:34:47.500 um liminal beings

00:34:49.060 I love that

00:34:49.820 they are they are

00:34:51.500 I mean in the same

00:34:52.280 way that like any

00:34:53.160 sort of unmoored

00:34:54.020 person who doesn't

00:34:55.300 have who isn't

00:34:56.200 married who doesn't

00:34:56.800 have kids who isn't

00:34:58.000 a part of a

00:34:58.580 community you know

00:34:59.260 actively contributing

00:35:00.120 to it they are

00:35:00.820 liminal beings

00:35:01.640 inherently and just as

00:35:03.180 men like everyone's

00:35:04.700 very comfortable

00:35:05.360 talking about

00:35:06.080 liminal men as

00:35:07.540 free radicals you

00:35:08.880 know as dangerous

00:35:09.740 you know in need of

00:35:10.820 coupling we need to

00:35:12.140 recognize that liminal

00:35:13.120 women are also not

00:35:15.320 necessarily great for

00:35:16.780 society and what we

00:35:18.320 should do instead is

00:35:19.320 is recognize that and

00:35:21.020 understand where they

00:35:21.880 do and do not have

00:35:22.860 power like when

00:35:23.700 they're sometimes good

00:35:24.660 for us is they can

00:35:25.520 send some warnings

00:35:26.440 they can enforce

00:35:27.200 discipline or order

00:35:28.320 through their utter

00:35:29.360 lack of chill and

00:35:30.900 possibly just just

00:35:31.840 through being dangerous

00:35:33.160 you know force us to

00:35:34.280 be more responsible

00:35:35.020 force kids to be good

00:35:36.200 and not run off into

00:35:37.160 the forest they might

00:35:38.840 provide some healing

00:35:40.000 or mentorship or

00:35:41.100 wisdom but we should

00:35:42.560 also be wary of them

00:35:43.560 and given their

00:35:44.440 tendency to to poison

00:35:45.920 or curse metaphorically

00:35:47.120 or otherwise to

00:35:47.920 disturb the peace to

00:35:49.060 steal children and for

00:35:50.740 lack of a better way

00:35:51.500 of putting it maybe a

00:35:52.640 better way of dealing

00:35:53.460 with these these people

00:35:54.620 is to do the same

00:35:56.140 thing that that

00:35:57.060 Glinda the good

00:35:58.180 witch of the wizard of

00:35:59.280 oz does with when

00:36:00.800 she encounters another

00:36:01.960 unmoored woman who's

00:36:03.500 who's appearing to

00:36:04.440 her on her own when

00:36:06.180 Dorothy appears to her

00:36:08.020 out of nowhere she's

00:36:09.040 like are you a good

00:36:09.700 witch or a bad witch

00:36:10.780 she just like immediately

00:36:11.800 assumes I love the

00:36:14.080 prejudice there like you

00:36:15.160 just know if you're a

00:36:16.060 good witch or a bad

00:36:16.760 witch but you know

00:36:17.760 what it is is so funny

00:36:19.160 about this concept of a

00:36:20.280 good witch yeah so

00:36:21.960 remember I talked about

00:36:22.560 you had this older

00:36:23.180 Jewish concept of of

00:36:24.640 the ball shem of being

00:36:25.820 this like trickster you

00:36:27.820 know dangerous like a

00:36:28.920 curse of you one day

00:36:30.020 you the next day you

00:36:31.540 can't really trust them

00:36:32.240 well there's obviously

00:36:33.420 the very famous ball

00:36:34.440 shem is the the ball

00:36:36.040 shem tov which is the

00:36:37.340 one who started the

00:36:38.020 hasidic movement which

00:36:39.080 is why it's so bad

00:36:40.240 today to say that the

00:36:41.260 ball shem were ever

00:36:42.040 seen as basically what

00:36:44.220 in the west we called

00:36:44.920 witches and that they

00:36:47.060 literally ball shem tov

00:36:48.220 that just means the good

00:36:49.500 witch that's that's

00:36:50.620 like literally what it

00:36:51.320 means the good ball

00:36:52.180 shem like it's okay

00:36:53.240 he's Linda the good

00:36:54.560 witch oh like the good

00:36:55.680 samaritan it's like

00:36:57.440 always when we say good

00:36:58.640 it's like really it's

00:36:59.580 like do we have to

00:37:00.720 add that about all the

00:37:01.460 other ones that this

00:37:02.400 one's the good one like

00:37:03.140 there's a reason they

00:37:03.980 had to be the good one

00:37:05.400 right like because it

00:37:06.720 was taken for granted

00:37:07.680 that like but he's but

00:37:09.520 he's not like all the

00:37:10.300 other ball shems okay

00:37:11.420 yeah but yeah they're

00:37:12.800 they're still witches

00:37:13.560 they're still hags you

00:37:14.860 know but we now we

00:37:16.240 should be asking when

00:37:17.120 you know we see these

00:37:17.920 these old women are

00:37:19.080 are you a good hag or

00:37:20.140 a bad hag a good witch

00:37:21.360 or a bad witch just

00:37:22.340 like we should be asking

00:37:23.180 when when we see

00:37:24.020 unmoored liminal men

00:37:25.520 you know are are they

00:37:26.720 a wizard or trickster

00:37:27.820 are they a wild man

00:37:29.180 or a marauder

00:37:29.940 no but I should be

00:37:30.960 asking ourselves this

00:37:31.880 really cool concepts

00:37:32.820 here so one is and I

00:37:33.980 think it's something

00:37:34.680 you're getting

00:37:35.000 fundamentally wrong

00:37:35.600 that we society is

00:37:37.800 now dealing with a

00:37:38.640 threat that historically

00:37:39.720 it didn't have to deal

00:37:40.780 with which is armies

00:37:43.360 of swamp hags swamp

00:37:46.080 hags yeah they now

00:37:47.260 have means of organizing

00:37:48.540 they they walk we

00:37:50.040 would push them to the

00:37:50.940 edge of society and I

00:37:51.720 think we still naturally

00:37:52.640 do you know you don't

00:37:53.540 want to interact with

00:37:54.140 these people you can

00:37:54.900 spot them and you say

00:37:55.900 no I don't want to so

00:37:57.460 so they've they found

00:37:58.980 and built communities

00:38:00.780 that have as I think

00:38:02.940 Simone pointed out

00:38:03.600 they're liminal

00:38:04.260 communities they know

00:38:05.500 that they bear no

00:38:07.240 long-term responsibility

00:38:08.980 for civilization they

00:38:10.400 yeah I mean that that

00:38:11.100 is the problem is

00:38:11.840 they're not contributing

00:38:13.240 to civilization by

00:38:14.560 helping to raise kids

00:38:15.560 or by helping their

00:38:16.320 church or by helping

00:38:17.200 the community they

00:38:18.220 lack a stake in

00:38:19.920 civilization yeah

00:38:21.140 yeah they have

00:38:22.120 the incentives are not

00:38:23.520 aligned

00:38:23.980 yes it's not just

00:38:25.300 that they don't have

00:38:25.720 a stake in civilization

00:38:26.500 they are often and

00:38:28.300 perhaps even rightfully

00:38:31.220 so spiteful at

00:38:33.820 civilization for not

00:38:36.680 yeah yeah I mean yeah

00:38:37.460 again because they don't

00:38:38.540 they're you're not I

00:38:39.780 mean oh aside from the

00:38:40.780 lore that you had to

00:38:41.900 present they're not born

00:38:43.520 swamp hags they became

00:38:45.920 them through some

00:38:46.780 circumstances so yes

00:38:47.780 exactly they could be

00:38:48.820 very resentful of the

00:38:50.820 society that turned them

00:38:51.920 into a swamp hags if you

00:38:53.520 are born with certain

00:38:54.640 psychological or

00:38:55.700 physiological traits that

00:38:56.720 are you know cross

00:38:57.420 correlate the the the

00:38:59.060 medieval community

00:38:59.700 wasn't like our

00:39:00.300 community they'd be like

00:39:01.080 that lady looks weird

00:39:02.000 don't let her in the

00:39:02.660 village right like yeah

00:39:03.680 but also a lot of the

00:39:04.980 time it was you know a

00:39:06.600 woman who was destitute

00:39:07.580 because her husband died

00:39:08.580 off at war and she

00:39:09.440 didn't have any

00:39:09.980 surviving no I

00:39:10.840 understand that in her

00:39:12.580 destitution and this is

00:39:13.760 why I think the

00:39:14.740 knowledge of how you

00:39:16.700 don't let your children

00:39:17.500 interact with them

00:39:18.300 because if they do some

00:39:20.140 women are born swamp

00:39:21.300 hags some women are

00:39:22.560 made swamp hags and

00:39:23.800 now that you have

00:39:24.200 these giant communities

00:39:25.440 of of swamp hags

00:39:27.660 right like they're out

00:39:29.080 attempting to recruit

00:39:31.580 new people into this

00:39:33.260 liminal lifestyle and

00:39:34.920 it's a lifestyle that

00:39:35.840 is you know they they

00:39:37.240 and I think I like

00:39:38.300 swamp hag more I like

00:39:39.200 admirable swamp hag more

00:39:40.480 than Dutton's you know

00:39:42.320 spiteful mutant because

00:39:43.800 one the left has already

00:39:45.680 tried to like re

00:39:46.780 rehabilitate the term

00:39:48.120 mutant with like this

00:39:49.040 x-men and stuff like

00:39:50.320 this and then two

00:39:52.440 this is a swamp hag it

00:39:54.140 explains their spite

00:39:55.760 better right like they

00:39:56.860 have been excluded

00:39:58.840 from society and as

00:40:00.680 such are are

00:40:01.960 antagonistic to society

00:40:03.060 and now that they've

00:40:03.600 organized into these

00:40:04.320 big troops they these

00:40:06.260 large troops I think

00:40:07.340 see as part of their

00:40:08.480 underlying goal the

00:40:10.160 tearing down and and

00:40:11.580 we look at it like

00:40:12.720 don't you kind of think

00:40:13.280 though that these women

00:40:14.020 are at least

00:40:15.500 subconsciously trying to

00:40:16.780 own the swamp hag

00:40:17.760 what is with this

00:40:18.800 growing obsession with

00:40:20.040 tarot and what about

00:40:21.520 all these women with

00:40:22.340 intentionally wild hair

00:40:23.740 and and their obsession

00:40:25.080 with with you know all

00:40:26.300 this like you know sort

00:40:27.220 of myth mystical looking

00:40:28.380 crystal jewelry and the

00:40:30.360 color purple it's just

00:40:32.220 rot maxing and goblin

00:40:33.640 maxing I mean go I know

00:40:34.880 but like doesn't that

00:40:35.600 mean that they're already

00:40:36.320 trying to like

00:40:37.520 appropriate it and make

00:40:38.760 it like well no I like

00:40:40.160 it you know I think

00:40:42.000 concepts can be

00:40:43.860 psychologically comfortable

00:40:45.220 I I think that it is

00:40:46.400 not it's not even

00:40:48.140 necessarily that they're

00:40:49.760 trying to model

00:40:50.320 themselves on the swamp

00:40:51.140 hags of the past it's

00:40:52.700 that when you have a

00:40:53.720 certain psychological

00:40:55.020 profile that historically

00:40:56.720 we would have labeled a

00:40:57.460 swamp hag as a

00:40:58.400 collection of prejudices

00:40:59.540 yeah this this this

00:41:01.020 leads to I want to

00:41:02.640 have a bunch of like

00:41:03.820 living weird rotting

00:41:05.360 plants in my house

00:41:06.280 right like I want to

00:41:07.580 wear I want to look

00:41:09.400 more in touch with

00:41:10.700 nature why do they

00:41:11.700 want to look more

00:41:12.160 in touch with nature

00:41:12.760 because it's a way that

00:41:14.060 they can search for

00:41:14.680 validation which is

00:41:15.780 completely subjective to

00:41:16.820 them and cannot be

00:41:17.800 judged by the external

00:41:18.940 society right like

00:41:19.840 they're they're one

00:41:20.420 they're they're they're

00:41:22.000 they're mystical and

00:41:23.060 and and and they get

00:41:24.600 their validation from

00:41:25.460 that rather than

00:41:26.100 through actually being

00:41:27.520 decent human beings

00:41:28.980 and the the other

00:41:30.660 thing I want to know

00:41:31.120 here I think you're

00:41:31.560 totally wrong on

00:41:32.140 Karens oh so

00:41:33.740 Karens are not at all

00:41:34.880 swamp hags or

00:41:36.280 banshees no so

00:41:37.340 first Karens are

00:41:39.140 like when they were

00:41:40.220 talking about the

00:41:40.700 behavior of well

00:41:41.880 really the behavior

00:41:43.100 of the plane is

00:41:44.360 just Catholic mindset

00:41:46.220 versus Protestant

00:41:46.800 mindset right like if

00:41:47.620 you look at Protestant

00:41:48.180 majority countries

00:41:48.940 it's the northern

00:41:50.480 European countries

00:41:51.520 right the zero chill

00:41:52.440 which I actually

00:41:53.480 appreciate

00:41:54.000 you have personal

00:41:56.400 responsibility for

00:41:57.560 you you suffer the

00:41:58.940 consequences if you

00:41:59.660 don't do it

00:42:00.240 whereas the you

00:42:01.800 know where you

00:42:02.820 know the the train

00:42:03.580 waits on you

00:42:04.240 that's something you

00:42:05.020 see in Italy or

00:42:05.780 Spain or or you

00:42:07.140 know other or a

00:42:08.620 number of Latin

00:42:09.020 American countries

00:42:09.540 it's just a

00:42:10.280 cultural difference

00:42:11.100 but again we are

00:42:11.620 culturally different

00:42:12.360 and I get very

00:42:12.940 annoyed when people

00:42:13.520 are like well we're

00:42:14.060 all Christians and

00:42:14.760 it's like yeah but

00:42:15.180 we're we're very

00:42:16.320 very different

00:42:17.200 Christians yeah but

00:42:18.480 the the other point

00:42:20.000 here being with the

00:42:21.140 and and both of

00:42:22.760 these had different

00:42:24.460 swamp hags I think

00:42:25.540 it'd be very

00:42:25.860 interesting to see if

00:42:27.240 the swamp hags from

00:42:28.620 let's say African

00:42:29.800 lore or or if they

00:42:32.440 bear the physiology of

00:42:34.440 the Asians or African

00:42:35.820 women that get

00:42:36.920 shunned from society

00:42:37.900 and not the white

00:42:39.080 women's theology

00:42:39.800 nothing more broadly

00:42:41.560 I think it is a

00:42:43.240 useful concept in

00:42:44.120 society I do not

00:42:45.420 know if they are a

00:42:47.320 complete overlap with

00:42:48.500 a swamp hag I I think

00:42:49.760 that there is a type

00:42:51.780 of woman that

00:42:53.060 arbitrarily exercises

00:42:54.540 authority over other

00:42:56.100 people and they

00:42:57.920 they're not always

00:42:59.300 yeah they're not

00:42:59.940 always liminal beings

00:43:00.940 they they sometimes

00:43:01.720 are active mothers

00:43:03.620 grandmothers community

00:43:04.580 members in fact

00:43:05.480 Karen's are very

00:43:06.220 famous for being

00:43:07.380 deeply entrenched in

00:43:10.420 things like homeowners

00:43:11.340 associations right

00:43:12.700 have you the Karen as

00:43:14.480 a concept is a woman

00:43:15.860 who arbitrarily and

00:43:17.520 recreationally in acts

00:43:19.420 authority over others

00:43:20.480 could this be used to

00:43:22.400 from another cultural

00:43:23.540 perspective you like

00:43:24.560 say a black culture

00:43:25.160 perspective punish white

00:43:26.720 protestant behavioral

00:43:27.620 traits in women it

00:43:29.000 could totally it could

00:43:30.600 but I think it is used

00:43:31.860 to punish those traits

00:43:33.180 less than it is used

00:43:34.680 to call out and make

00:43:37.440 make a less common a

00:43:39.080 real type of dangerous

00:43:40.560 behavior to to

00:43:41.600 normalize which is the

00:43:42.800 women who recreationally

00:43:44.120 exercise authority on

00:43:45.600 others I I encounter

00:43:46.780 these women more often

00:43:49.780 in my life than I

00:43:51.760 encounter people

00:43:52.640 misusing the term Karen

00:43:54.440 to apply to somebody

00:43:56.060 oh so you think swamp

00:43:57.820 hags are a bigger

00:43:58.940 threat than I'm saying

00:44:01.160 Karen's completely

00:44:01.880 separate concept that

00:44:03.600 doesn't need to be tied

00:44:04.620 into swamp hags but

00:44:05.860 swamp hags is a very

00:44:06.720 very useful concept and

00:44:09.320 to understand that the

00:44:10.080 swamp hags and what's

00:44:11.440 so interesting about the

00:44:12.540 swamp hags is if you've

00:44:15.760 told somebody say from

00:44:17.140 the medieval period right

00:44:18.920 that like actually now

00:44:20.900 these you know Wiccan type

00:44:23.160 pagan type people who have

00:44:25.640 all their crystals and have

00:44:26.760 all their spells and all

00:44:27.780 their tarot cards and at

00:44:29.580 least want to live in the

00:44:31.320 swamps right I want to

00:44:33.060 live this naturalistic

00:44:34.200 lifestyle and practice all

00:44:36.000 these nature-based

00:44:37.100 medicines and everything

00:44:37.740 like that they know what

00:44:38.540 you're talking about and

00:44:39.260 you're like now you know

00:44:40.340 to 2000 years from now

00:44:41.720 they organize into giant

00:44:44.100 mobs where they walk

00:44:46.260 down the streets shouting

00:44:47.800 at people and they they

00:44:49.800 form these and and and

00:44:51.400 they talk about their

00:44:52.120 spirituality and they talk

00:44:53.100 about and they'd say to

00:44:54.260 me well like somebody's

00:44:55.940 doing something about that

00:44:56.940 right like the witches

00:44:58.100 are uniting and marching

00:44:59.400 down the streets like

00:45:00.420 you've got you've got

00:45:02.560 something operational to

00:45:04.660 deal with the threat

00:45:05.860 right and the the when

00:45:08.940 you're like no actually

00:45:09.780 it's like a they're not

00:45:11.100 that dangerous and they'd

00:45:12.740 be like they're not that

00:45:14.000 dangerous huh what sort of

00:45:15.720 things do they vote for

00:45:16.880 like what's their agenda

00:45:18.460 for society more broadly

00:45:20.480 and you're like well they

00:45:23.040 they do support not

00:45:26.400 jailing great bits they

00:45:29.020 do support the import of

00:45:32.200 people who do a lot of

00:45:33.340 that stuff from cultures

00:45:34.980 that are nothing like our

00:45:36.080 own they do support a lot

00:45:38.340 of destructive beliefs in

00:45:40.260 terms of like the

00:45:40.980 environment is more

00:45:42.020 important than humanity

00:45:43.000 and if humanity needs to

00:45:44.400 sacrifice itself to keep a

00:45:46.300 healthy environment they'd

00:45:47.480 be like no no these I'm

00:45:49.140 telling you these don't

00:45:50.040 sound that different from

00:45:51.120 our worst stereotypes of

00:45:53.220 witches if I'm going to

00:45:54.700 be honest here there yes

00:45:56.620 they they do sometimes

00:45:57.800 just walk into stores and

00:45:59.160 start screaming at people

00:46:00.220 you should really do

00:46:01.840 something about like if

00:46:03.140 you explain to them what

00:46:04.940 we have allowed the

00:46:06.140 marginalized woman in the

00:46:07.200 woods and they're like at

00:46:08.060 the very least you don't

00:46:09.960 let them run your schools

00:46:11.160 do you and you don't send

00:46:13.300 your children into their

00:46:15.100 layers do you and I'd say

00:46:17.860 well they yeah we do for

00:46:21.060 the most part that's

00:46:22.280 probably their most

00:46:23.580 employed profession I do

00:46:25.440 think yeah I do think

00:46:26.360 one of the bigger the

00:46:27.580 things that I'm trying to

00:46:29.040 point out and this comes

00:46:31.440 up sometimes in broader

00:46:33.840 pro natalist debates is

00:46:35.660 that historically through

00:46:38.540 these various tropes and

00:46:39.960 just through broader

00:46:40.720 instinctual understandings

00:46:42.380 liminal people both male and

00:46:44.820 female were precluded from

00:46:47.660 positions of leadership and

00:46:49.220 power in society and I'm

00:46:52.020 not saying like you you

00:46:53.320 can't be unmarried and not

00:46:55.260 be in positions of

00:46:56.220 leadership but if you were

00:46:57.420 unmarried you would need

00:46:59.140 to be married in a sense

00:47:02.640 and sometimes it's just

00:47:03.700 even made metaphorically

00:47:05.200 explicit like in the case of

00:47:06.600 nuns to some kind of

00:47:09.780 community or religious

00:47:10.700 organization so if you're

00:47:12.660 not dedicated and connected

00:47:14.300 to some larger cause in

00:47:16.260 which your your incentives

00:47:17.800 were being aligned with

00:47:18.780 broader society then you

00:47:20.380 shouldn't be in charge of

00:47:21.640 society and the problem is

00:47:23.220 we have taken this this

00:47:25.500 archetype and instead

00:47:26.660 systematically given it a

00:47:28.760 lot of power and influence

00:47:29.780 we're like oh teach our

00:47:31.080 children oh be be the deep

00:47:33.480 state you know run run our

00:47:35.340 bureaucracies which have

00:47:36.880 outsized power and

00:47:38.300 ultimately determine whether

00:47:39.560 or not legislation is

00:47:41.380 enacted and then who

00:47:42.340 interpret how legislation is

00:47:44.580 enacted throughout government

00:47:45.840 agencies I think it's

00:47:47.080 underrated how I think

00:47:49.360 people just assume that

00:47:50.340 when a law is passed like

00:47:52.060 oh then now the thing gets

00:47:53.600 done no in so many cases

00:47:55.720 this just kind of gets

00:47:57.280 roughly shipped off to an

00:47:59.580 agency which then has broad

00:48:01.660 ability to interpret how

00:48:02.920 it's executed so who is

00:48:04.300 staffing that agency

00:48:05.480 significantly influences how

00:48:08.660 how laws are are

00:48:11.000 manifested the the phenotype

00:48:12.960 of the genotype comes down

00:48:14.700 to the deep state we need

00:48:16.880 to use AI to re-segregate

00:48:19.400 this population this what

00:48:21.160 how you use AI to replace

00:48:24.260 them from these central

00:48:25.160 bureaucracies because they're

00:48:26.760 the most replaceable people

00:48:28.080 oh you mean just you mean

00:48:29.640 just replace the yeah that

00:48:33.420 was why they lived in the

00:48:34.160 woods you know but the

00:48:35.220 other thing I'll point out

00:48:36.320 here is we are already you

00:48:38.500 know to counter any narrative

00:48:40.640 that we may have about the

00:48:42.540 witch how the witch operates

00:48:44.120 and this being a bad thing

00:48:46.120 already from the centers of

00:48:48.100 power that the witches have

00:48:49.380 taken over you see the

00:48:50.960 counter narrative so if you

00:48:52.500 are watching a old Disney

00:48:54.680 movie right like suppose I'm

00:48:56.300 watching an old Snow White or

00:48:57.600 an old you know whatever

00:48:58.180 Sleeping Beauty the witch was

00:49:00.560 the villain the witch was the

00:49:03.220 thing that you avoided and I

00:49:05.080 actually I forgot to mention

00:49:06.620 like it's super clear from

00:49:08.660 tropes and stories what

00:49:10.680 happens when these liminal

00:49:12.140 people be them male be they

00:49:14.080 male or female come to power

00:49:16.060 when you look at Disney

00:49:17.580 stories when these liminal women

00:49:20.360 get power it's bad when you

00:49:22.680 look at Snow White when you

00:49:24.580 look at Sleeping Beauty when

00:49:26.540 you even at the Little Mermaid you

00:49:28.680 have a witch who tries to take

00:49:29.980 power and it's horrible also

00:49:31.440 with this this still goes for

00:49:33.360 liminal unmoored men too like

00:49:35.820 Gandalf is fine as a liminal

00:49:38.660 man a wizard because he's not

00:49:40.260 trying to take power what

00:49:41.340 happens when the wizards try

00:49:42.440 to get power you get Sauron you

00:49:45.120 have Saruman like it's bad and

00:49:47.880 so these these people are fine

00:49:49.580 on their own if they kind of

00:49:51.160 just do their own thing and

00:49:52.520 maybe are a chaotic good at

00:49:53.900 best but they should not be

00:49:56.080 allowed to feast on their power

00:49:58.200 hunger and what made Gandalf such

00:50:00.540 a powerful and good figure is

00:50:02.680 that he felt the temptation of

00:50:04.020 the ring but wouldn't even touch

00:50:05.960 it he's like keep it away from

00:50:08.500 me keep it secret keep it safe

00:50:10.500 but the point I was making is

00:50:12.720 that if you go back to these

00:50:13.400 old Disney movies this is where

00:50:14.940 culture was being disseminated

00:50:16.660 from in our society and the

00:50:18.260 witch you were warned against

00:50:19.460 the witch you were told what the

00:50:20.380 witch was like you were told how

00:50:21.380 the witches acted but if you

00:50:22.880 look at modern Disney show one

00:50:25.360 that I actually find quite

00:50:26.520 enjoyable to watch and I think

00:50:28.020 it's a pretty well done show for

00:50:29.780 how woke it is is Owl House and

00:50:32.360 I think it's like woke done well

00:50:33.680 from a narrative perspective

00:50:34.460 is it on Disney Plus or

00:50:36.060 something

00:50:36.300 it's on Disney Plus yeah you can

00:50:37.280 watch it

00:50:37.500 I was unstoppable on the field

00:50:39.060 I had the best moves and the

00:50:41.680 best cheats

00:50:42.480 cheating isn't anything to brag

00:50:44.580 about how do you know you were

00:50:45.680 any good if all you did was

00:50:46.700 cheat your way to victory

00:50:47.660 what are humans now with your

00:50:50.020 goody-goody attitude

00:50:51.040 if cheaters never prosper why was

00:50:53.680 I the star player

00:50:54.740 well

00:50:55.420 great

00:50:55.740 I actually think

00:50:57.040 are we paying for Disney Plus

00:50:59.220 I don't think it teaches good

00:51:00.380 lessons but I've seen it but

00:51:02.060 anyway the point being is what

00:51:03.560 is the thesis of Owl House right

00:51:07.200 in Owl House you have an old

00:51:10.240 witch explicitly a witch who lives

00:51:13.080 by herself no kids she is

00:51:15.600 disheveled she's a very obviously

00:51:18.660 like a feminist type person do her

00:51:21.500 own thing live her own way type

00:51:23.100 person and she takes a young girl a

00:51:27.100 young human girl to live with her

00:51:29.540 and the young human girl basically

00:51:31.040 does chores for her to learn from

00:51:33.980 her the ways of a witch and and how

00:51:37.140 to do magic and what's interesting

00:51:39.080 is like Owl House even incorporates

00:51:40.860 the the witch lady is alone she

00:51:43.640 doesn't have kids she is a loner she

00:51:46.160 is sometimes turns into a dangerous

00:51:48.260 owl like a beast and can't control

00:51:50.320 herself

00:51:50.760 she is

00:51:51.960 it just seems like a dark and scary

00:51:53.680 show

00:51:54.260 and and well hold on hold on I mean

00:51:56.440 she does help the girl develop her

00:51:58.940 witch powers and then the girl gets

00:52:00.500 in a lesbian relationship and with

00:52:02.680 it was another witch as a child and

00:52:05.480 I think she was 12 in the show or

00:52:07.120 something like 13 or something great

00:52:08.560 and when I say gets in a a lesbian

00:52:11.260 relationship I do not mean like it's

00:52:14.300 undertones of a lesbian relationship

00:52:16.660 you always have a way of sneaking into

00:52:18.440 people's hearts

00:52:19.200 okay good to see you farewell forever

00:52:27.280 why did I do that why did I do that why

00:52:29.120 did I do that why did I do that

00:52:29.860 it's going to be the most mundane slice

00:52:33.760 of life date ever and it'll be awesome

00:52:36.400 I know

00:52:38.020 oh crikey

00:52:43.800 it is

00:52:44.700 they go to prom together they're very explicitly

00:52:48.240 dating I think they kiss it's it's not as

00:52:50.740 explicitly sexualized as it is in She-Ra

00:52:52.960 the the remake where you know there's like

00:52:55.540 full-on makeout scenes and stuff but

00:52:58.400 this this is this is the direction that

00:53:00.840 Disney has gone from fear of the witch to

00:53:03.600 let the witch I know she's a little scary and

00:53:06.400 I know she's got some weird beliefs and

00:53:08.500 ways of living and she's a bit prickly

00:53:10.640 but just bear with her and one day you

00:53:12.600 can be a witch too and you know do do

00:53:15.300 your own it's interesting I mean this

00:53:16.940 this is what's being disseminated to our

00:53:18.340 kids this is what's being normalized the

00:53:20.100 the tropes that we used to fear are being

00:53:24.060 inverted and yeah which is good learn from

00:53:28.560 the witch go to the swamps the danger of

00:53:31.720 the trope inversion is that as soon as

00:53:34.360 somebody normalizes to the inversion

00:53:36.420 pointing out that the inversion is not the

00:53:41.940 way it's always been causes deep offense in

00:53:46.060 an individual where if you go to you know

00:53:49.420 one of these women and we're like we need

00:53:50.680 to go back to to you know guarding against

00:53:53.080 wishes within our communities you know we

00:53:54.740 used to understand that these were negative

00:53:56.400 influences people will say how dare you you

00:53:59.840 go to a lot of the Jewish community which

00:54:02.180 which normalized to the idea of the ball

00:54:04.360 shims not being you know untrustworthy

00:54:07.380 witch-like figures and you say to them

00:54:09.440 you can literally just read rabbis from

00:54:12.460 like the 1300s go on long rants about how

00:54:15.660 dangerous ball shims are and to never let

00:54:17.500 them in your community and they are a

00:54:19.320 dangerous outside factor and only as a

00:54:21.240 last resort blah blah blah blah blah and it

00:54:23.060 is it is it is offensive to raise this as a

00:54:25.300 concept now because there's already been an

00:54:27.580 inversion of the concept of of this figure and

00:54:30.700 it's it's happened in in both it's happened

00:54:32.640 in our community around vampires around

00:54:34.380 witches around all sorts of things even to

00:54:37.400 mention to some people and this will be

00:54:39.200 true if we allow this culture to win in 50 to

00:54:42.240 100 years to be like you know we used to

00:54:44.620 understand you do not engage with these

00:54:46.940 people they are dangerous to to your

00:54:49.860 community's cohesion you can't even have that

00:54:52.400 conversation anymore it's normalized oh

00:54:55.700 interesting let's just bring bring back

00:55:01.540 bias and outgroup hatred well this isn't

00:55:06.640 even outgroup hatred this is from like

00:55:08.340 within your own group not outgroup hatred

00:55:10.380 these are forms of trope hatred group

00:55:13.560 hatred when the rabbinical authorities

00:55:16.580 would tell people about the ball they

00:55:18.980 weren't telling the gentiles about the

00:55:20.520 ball shims they didn't care the ball shims

00:55:22.460 want to pull some nonsense on the gentiles

00:55:24.540 whatever when we talked about the the swamp

00:55:27.780 hag the swamp hag was not an immigrant the

00:55:31.580 swamp hag was not like the local jew the

00:55:34.420 swamp hag was somebody born into your

00:55:36.520 community who maybe had their husband die and

00:55:38.900 then went crazy or maybe you know the the

00:55:41.560 progressives always try to paint it in the

00:55:42.880 in the nicest possible light but maybe they

00:55:45.480 didn't find acceptance within their community

00:55:47.200 or their religion and they begin to look at

00:55:48.680 alternate mystical takes or they begin to

00:55:50.780 you know try to take a deeper sort of

00:55:53.620 mystical take to the bible and try to remember

00:55:55.920 some old local pagan traditions from here and

00:55:58.780 there and put them this was intra-community

00:56:02.400 isolation and that's why i love the idea of the

00:56:05.380 swamp hag so swamp hag was always a mechanism

00:56:08.060 we're not we're not calling for racism here so

00:56:10.120 that's nice yeah we're calling for intra-community

00:56:13.340 isolation of the dangerous mystic and i think

00:56:17.980 that this is this is something that is

00:56:20.060 important to normalize within our kids and re-normalize

00:56:23.660 within within communities where where it still

00:56:26.520 happened yeah i i'm with you i like it

00:56:31.020 i oh oh the netwitch netwitch the netwitch or the

00:56:38.300 net hag net hag i'm trying to like because you call

00:56:41.040 them swamp hags and it so doesn't work within a

00:56:42.860 modern context but as soon as you talk about like

00:56:44.580 a hag of the internet yeah but they're not always

00:56:47.120 terminally online so i don't know

00:56:49.440 i love you i'm going to go get the kids and make

00:56:57.960 your dinner and and i not be a hag so i can test on

00:57:03.120 mac to try to break things okay make sure everything

00:57:07.060 it's yeah it's fully charged it has a full battery so you

00:57:09.500 should be okay all right love you i love you too

00:57:13.100 jd vance and usha are expecting their fourth their fourth kid due in july

00:57:21.320 fourth good for them that's a pro-analysis right there

00:57:24.360 yeah yeah yeah i mean obviously condolences to all the leftists who

00:57:29.640 wanted to say that they had a terrible

00:57:32.000 relationship and were struggling and on the rocks

00:57:34.940 and condolence to all of the rightists who are mad that they're

00:57:37.920 not having kids and another another mixed-rate child is coming into the world

00:57:43.560 yes another half child you know they're happening

00:57:47.420 no hey i'll be honest at least girls who are born to indian

00:57:53.160 and white parents are uniquely hot it's a it's as we've said before irish and

00:57:58.800 japanese is the best combo irish and japanese is

00:58:02.060 really hot super hot boy and girl doesn't matter irish japanese go for it

00:58:08.140 people i'm sorry it's true oh yeah yeah

00:58:13.260 just i think i think jd and usha's kids are super

00:58:15.820 super beautiful and cute so but they're yeah anyway

00:58:18.940 i'm gonna get on to the fun topic but oh and and for dinner i'm just making the

00:58:25.700 second batch of your mystery curry oh yeah that was great

00:58:30.280 it's like a slot machine in our freezer you never really like

00:58:35.760 what is it but and like literally with like the icons is it

00:58:39.580 mango or it's some other like weird fruit

00:58:43.080 but i'm gonna be really sad because i don't know if we still have the technology to make

00:58:47.480 these curries anymore did we forget how we made them which ones they are like

00:58:51.020 am i gonna be able to have curry like this again now that i'm like

00:58:53.920 obviously obviously yeah i just searched like past recipes for some like mango curry or whatever and

00:59:00.560 then it shows up but we haven't actually had the mango curry for a long time i don't know what it was

00:59:05.020 that we had before but also you were just making generic

00:59:08.160 curries curries yeah like that's super easy i think what makes these what makes these redos unique is that

00:59:15.220 we're redoing them adding a lot of green onion and peppers plus hoisin sauce plus sambal olek plus butter plus cream

00:59:24.480 and that's making for just a really interesting

00:59:27.120 re-roll well you know it'd be really cool and this is what i hope for speaking of india

00:59:32.740 if our kids married the because they'll be around the same age

00:59:36.440 the jd vance kids yeah i wish they were part of the index

00:59:40.820 by the way for those out of the loop we have this sort of growing it's not active yet we will

00:59:46.000 activate it when our kids get older but index of parents with kids basically between age eight and

00:59:53.640 age zero or planning to have kids who want their kids to grow up together and eventually enter a sort

01:00:00.240 of rough dating network possibly for future matchmaking and there are some really great families in this

01:00:08.880 if you really want your family to be a part of it and you're agentic and high achieving and clever

01:00:13.380 then reach out to partners at pragmatistfoundation.com and we'll just tag you and then update you when

01:00:18.320 we actually start doing something but yeah the vance is they're not in there yet give it time

01:00:23.720 give it time well we'll get there anyway i'll go into it now you ready

01:00:27.660 okay what happens if he sees the dinosaurs

01:00:32.700 will he gobble them up

01:00:37.640 but titan you're a shark princess what if you gobble them up

01:00:44.880 titan do you eat dinosaurs

01:00:49.520 that makes sense and so you've got to build the paddock to protect them from yourself right

01:01:01.420 oh no the t-rex is looking hungry

01:01:14.000 what are you doing to help octavian

01:01:19.800 are the helicopters going to destroy the t-rex

01:01:46.120 yeah we're just meat or stees t-rex

01:01:49.560 yeah but just meat or stees t-rex

01:01:49.800 yeah we're just meat or stees t-rex

01:01:51.920 too

01:01:52.800 yeah we're just meat or stees t-rex

01:01:54.060 yeah we're just meat or steess t-rex

01:01:56.600 yeah we're just meat or stees t-rex

01:01:56.840 yeah we're just meat or stees t-rex

01:01:57.800 yeah he's t-rex

01:01:58.840 yeah we're just meat or stees t-rex

01:02:10.840 t-rex

01:02:11.020 yeah we're just meat or stees t-rex

01:02:11.620 yeah we're just meat or stees t-rex

Based Camp - February 12, 2026

We Stopped Fearing Swamp Hags & Society Collapsed (A Historic Anthropology)

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