We Were EXPOSED! An Undercover Reporter Recorded Our Private Conversations and Meetings
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In this special episode, we discuss an article that was two years in the making, and how it was exposed by an undercover reporter for the organization Hope Not Hate. We also discuss why nobody cares about this type of thing anymore, and why it's a good thing.
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hello simone today is a special episode because this was an article that was two years in the
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making two years ago you and i went out to drinks with who turned out to be an undercover reporter
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for the organization hope not hate that has done this amazing and groundbreaking expose on us
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actually quite flattering like it is these guys are big deal these guys i mean i come away with
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two big big takeaways from this one is nobody cares one of my favorite things is two years to do
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an investigation to get 26 likes that was one of the comments under it and i went through every
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single comment under it on twitter and there wasn't a single one supporting them all of them
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were like our fans or other supporters of us that were just like you guys are crazy you guys are the
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bigots you guys are the hope not hate actually turned off comments on no it looked like that for
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you because they blocked you oh i don't know how things work okay that explains things but anyway
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so first nobody cares dodson dodson we've got dodson here nobody cares just just things you can't cancel
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people anymore like cancellations are so over this organization was founded back in 2004 and really
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it grew to its height during that 2010 culture wars era which you know the the woke side of the
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culture wars no longer has the momentum it had back then and a lot of people knew this article was going
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to come out before it came out because they had to warn us all because it was in the uk and it involved
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undercover reporters and everyone else was freaking out i was like nobody's gonna care
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i mean the guardian may try to turn this into a piece or something but like on us they just didn't
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you know they got us saying naughty things and we'll go over them but they're just not that naughty
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you know so i think the one thing is just nobody cares about this type of stuff anymore
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that and the other thing is i think that organizations like hope not hate especially given their tactic
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of supposedly infiltrating using their undercover operatives extremist far-right groups as they like
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to put it by doing that i think they were trying to reveal this just under the surface pervasive
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and blatant white nationalist cabal in both the united states and the uk and europe and it just i
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don't think it just it just doesn't really exist it's not really a thing and what they yeah continue
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in that show that i still am just finishing up in the good fight where they there is this sort of
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this trump derangement show that really shows inside the id of someone who has trump derangement syndrome
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in their final season in season six there are these protests some of the trucker protests or they're
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trying to depict but they take place in chicago for some reason and they literally have these groups
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of khaki clad white men running through the streets with burning tiki torches chanting you will not
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replace us and they just are doing it like juno yes in juno there's this like troop of runners that
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are constantly going around they look like the juno runners and they're just sort of like running
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around all the time throughout chicago with their little tiki torches saying you will not replace us
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and i feel like that's what hope not hate was trying to reveal is like they're everywhere and
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they're evil and they're just under the surface and they're saying all these things and we're going
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to show you we're going to expose it and then they spend two years once again because they did this in
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the u.s for a while and now they were doing it in europe trying to expose these hateful
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racist nazis and they just aren't there yeah i i think that that was one of the problems that they
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ran into is that these people don't really exist except on the fringe and certainly not in the core
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of the movement however i i will say that a lot of people um in private and and this was the other
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thing that i really took away from this meeting is a lot of people will ask simone and malcolm
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why are you the people running the pronatalist movement like why are you the most prominent
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voices we should find somebody else you know we should find somebody who's more normal or more
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you know they they want somebody more in line with their version of whatever they think it should be
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maybe somebody who's more open to hvd stuff some maybe somebody who's more classically theologically
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conservative or yeah or even someone who's more progressive like we get attacked from all angles of
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white we're either too conservative or too progressive or not religious enough or too religious
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i think that this particular reporter showed not just why we have risen within the movement as we have
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but why it makes sense for the movement to continue to double down on us being the central figures was that
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we you and i were alone in private with somebody who was saying they would give money to our foundation
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with somebody who is signaling themselves to be incredibly racist with somebody who i was drunk
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and we just taken an overnight red-eye flight in economy from the u.s to the uk yes we just landed
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they had given me alcohol which unfortunately i built a degree of immunity to people are like
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why are you doing this because they can't get me can't get me oh my gosh it's like that scene in
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indiana jones where there's the drinking contest and you know she pretends to be progressively drunk
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but she just gets up in the end and starts cleaning up yeah that is that is exactly what happened so
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but i i feel like in that scenario i rolled nat 20s with this reporter i was rolling nat 20s on
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charisma checks all night i i was a character completely scattered into charisma oh would
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you put your ability points on by the way i put mine into charisma oh yeah charisma is important
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yeah would you put the rest on charisma yeah like obviously out of your 20 starting ability points
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you put some into charisma and then you put some into like constitution and strength charisma baby
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you put them all into charisma hell yeah because i think it would it's very very hard to talk about
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these types of issues in ways that do not come back and bite other people in the butt and i think
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often our supporters may not understand the full 4d chess calculation that's at play particularly
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particularly around things like human biodiversity for example like they're like oh why are you guys
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always pushing that there really aren't that big of genetic differences between ethnic groups
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why don't you ever air any statistics to the contrary etc and the the core end of the day is is one
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the data just isn't that strong you can go to any of our episodes on this so it's not worth having this
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fight but even if the data was strong if we were the type of people who succumb to those
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susceptibilities our fans aren't just basement 4chan you know dwellers right like i love you 4chan people
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but what i mean is there's this group of people in the comments and there's this group of people who
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have time all day to spend online and they don't really think about oh what happens when my boss at
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mckenzie comes to me and he said hey you you said you support those pro natalist guys did you know that
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they're going around saying that there's significant iq differences between ethnic groups that are
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completely genetic like do you support that do you believe that this is the type of thing that
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someone could lose their job over and i think that a lot of people don't really consider uh the damage
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that can be done around stuff like this and i think that this article for us showed anybody who was
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hesitant and i think that a lot of people have been hesitant about permanently attaching themselves to
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the prenatalist movement publicly because they don't know what crazy off the rails thing is going
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to happen to the movement that's going to fly back and hit them right like that's that's a huge fear
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that especially people with big public followings have around the prenatalist movement and this
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undercover piece i think brings those people a lot of comfort because they're like oh they're not just
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out there publicly saying we are extremely extremely careful not to cross certain lines
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but they structure their entire lives in private when they're drunk when the only other person in
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the room is signaling that they're a big racist when that person is offering to give the money
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um they do not get tripped up they do not even in terms of sympathy and it's so easy to do when
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you're in the room with someone and you don't want to make them feel uncomfortable
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and you just say something like well you know maybe you're right about that or maybe you're
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right about that that we didn't succumb to any of that nor and this is something i don't know how
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many of our like super famous friends or or well resourced friends watch every episode of the show
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or an episode like this one or did we drop a single name so it's not just that we keep your names out of
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our mouse on this show also in private when we're talking to people we don't use your names
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in fact even when simone and i are talking not in private we use code words for all of our famous
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friends because we don't want to be accidentally picked up on a phone or accidentally picked up by
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a table next to us or accidentally so we are oh even picked up by like the smart devices in our home
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we just assume because at this point you really should uh between ai and yeah i feel like i even
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he could do like a search yeah yeah any anyone should assume that they could be recorded at any
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point i think that i was recently looking at research that found that i think you could use
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wi-fi to find out where people are within a house like it can use it to see sort of where signals are
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bouncing off humans in a house which is insane so don't ever assume you can be safe or hidden unless
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you're in some kind of crazy secure venue that we can all see occasionally on zilligan wild which is
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wonderful but let's let's go to the core of the claim or attack on us in the article because i do
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think that that's something that has come up frequently in attacks not just of us but of the
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pro natalist movement at large and it's something that i think needs to be addressed very clearly and
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head-on because it is very inaccurate yet pervasive and persistent and original accusations of us in
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many ways i think have been dropped because we've just so resoundingly addressed them perhaps we haven't
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resoundingly addressed this element of of the criticism well i i the the the polygenics versus
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eugenics argument is what you want to talk about no so the the the core of the thing that i'm arguing
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about is that that they implied that we only want certain people the right people to be having that's
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true well that's we want people who care about the future to have kids yeah but i i think that
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pro natalism for everyone is fundamentally a bad idea you know in the new york times when they
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recently did a piece on us and they're like they want to force everyone to have kids and we're like
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absolutely not you can look at like our dinks video we're dinks we get into snobby hobbies like
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skiing and golfing we're dinks we can go to florida on a whim we're dinks we're already planning our
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european vacation next year thanks but i'm like look from a genetic standpoint dinks probably shouldn't
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be having kids they seem to be pretty low so pro-sociality pretty high narcissism from a a being
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a good parent dinks shouldn't have kids from a cultural standpoint dinks shouldn't have kids
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i don't yeah but they're not implying that they're they're in fact implying basically the opposite
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they're basically implying that we think that only white wealthy people should be having kids
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and they definitely don't imply that they definitely really yeah so i'll go over the claims that are
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made and the specific things they got us for on camera because they do have a camera they've got
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like a camera of simone talking here that was you that was my voice yeah you were the biggest
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actually have you not watched the clip so the big the big thing they caught us on where they're like
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oh oh we got him on something big well there was two one was actually pretty interesting that they
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put in here was that i have gone to the bohemian grove um that you know we talk about it's pretty
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publicly known that simone used to be managing director of dialogue which was founded by a secret
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society founded by peter teal and we've done some other secret society work for like this
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futures foundation but that i haven't been publicly tied to the bohemian grove before because legally
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i couldn't publicly talk about it and so now i can only publicly say what they caught me in
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in a private interview i guess which is i have been so that's something which i actually don't
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mind being public it's it adds more credibility to some of the other things i say i know about
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where people are like oh he definitely doesn't know about that stuff he can't possibly be that
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well connected and then they're like oh he is actually that well connected so that was one thing
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and then the the other thing um was that we said well we go out and we talk to reporters and we say
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stuff like you know we want to help everyone but in in reality you know we try to focus on the elites
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unfortunately and i said unfortunately here i was rolling full 20s that night i.e you know and what
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we said in the response to them was what do you expect like you we have a limited amount of money
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you really think we can have the same amount of impact by talking to like four homeless people in
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ohio instead of talking to like policymakers in dc or at major tech firms and that is true that is an
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angle to it we talk specifically to the elites because the elites have influence but this idea
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that like we want the very best within society to to disproportionately have more kids where you draw
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the line at best is obviously a variable thing and the way that we draw it right now which was the way
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that simone was making this point is to say that we want this line to be a voluntary line for people
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who opt into this stuff yeah that it's that we want people who want kids to have kids that we we don't
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think people who don't want kids or who aren't in a good position to have kids should have kids and
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i think there's this feeling like to make prenatalism fair you should force everyone to
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have kids but then again that's obviously evil so we're both kind of accused of coercing people
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into having kids but then we're also accused of not coercing people into have kids does that make
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sense to you i feel like that's happening though like how dare you not be dragging these people yeah
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yeah how dare you you're right you're right that's a good point yeah the new york times just did a
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piece where it was like how how dare you be trying to force everyone to have kids and then these guys
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just did another attack on us which was how dare you not force everyone to have kids exactly so we're
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being accused of both and i just i want to make it so clear that we do think and and this is actually
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so something that they first before this article came out they emailed us last week saying we are
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going to publish something on you here are the allegations we're going to make do you know do
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you want to respond to any of these and we actually responded to quite a few things that ultimately
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didn't make it into the article because i think they they ultimately discovered through our responses
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perhaps that they were making really weak claims but one of their claims was elitism that we only want
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very specific types of people and that we only think you know that the the oh no they do refer to it in
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this article that we're calvinists and we only think the elect will matter and very few people
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matter in the larger scheme they claim that they are an organization that promotes religious tolerance
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and yet and this isn't even like one of our weird techno puritan things this is just common across all
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the calvinist traditions they attack us in this article without mentioning really that this is a normal
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calvinist thing to believe the concept of the elect and that before you're born it's sort of
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predetermined because we believe in a predetermined history we believe in timeline determinism whether
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or not you will be a person who matters in life and they try to play our theological belief in a
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deterministic reality as a belief in genetic determinism well they also try to connect the
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fact that we target elites in our marketing campaigns and in our influence campaigns because
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obviously these are the people affecting policy affecting culture etc which is where we have to place
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pressure to raise awareness about demographic collapse with our philosophy around who matters and who
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doesn't so what they're trying to do with this article is imply that because we put our focus on elites in
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our in our tactics and campaigns that therefore we also think elites are the only ones who are
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predestined to matter and i take umbrage to that right that is not fair that's just like smart spending of
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of resources versus what i can say but we would also argue that many of the very same elites that
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we target ultimately are not people who are predestined to matter because they choose to not
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inherit the future they choose to not make a difference in the world they choose to not do this
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and many people who certainly don't fall under our purview in terms of people we think are worth
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our time to target because currently their impact on the future or at least in terms of current their
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impact on current policy and current culture is very limited they are still going to be absolutely
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people who matter because they are going to be ones who have kids and raise them in intergenerational
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durable cultures and those are the people who matter so there's a big difference between someone who
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today is elite and capable of influencing how demographic collapse plays out and someone who today in the
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future is not elite is not really going to influence today's culture or today's policy but who's still
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going to very much matter a ton in the future does that make sense i think a better way to understand
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this concept is was the difference and we explain this difference to them in our reply to them they
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didn't really get into it here because they want to accuse us of being eugenicists and we just
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definitionally aren't you can go to the wikipedia definition of eugenicists and i think that this is where
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the concept of a polygenicist versus a eugenicist is a very important dichotomy that individuals within
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this movement and community should understand so that they understand where they fall in terms of
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how do you deal with dysgenic selection and there is really only two courses polygenics or eugenics and
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they are very very very very very different courses and they are both offensive they are both evil so
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we're not saying oh we're the non-evil ones because we're the polygenicists there's actually a lot wrong
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with polygenics but you ultimately have to choose one of two solutions otherwise the species heads
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towards extinctions and i love that some people on our podcast will be like oh you know they think
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they're so smart you know talking about dysgenics like how are they to say that it's actually a bad
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thing that low iq is being selected for i mean if it's what is genetically working then it's a good
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thing because it's genetically working and it's like well not really if you are a sane thinking
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individual you can do things like plot out what role is ai going to have in the economy in a hundred
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years what's the chance that our species will survive a thousand years if this particular selective
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pressure is on us for the next hundred or two hundred years and i can say oh it goes down dramatically
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or to almost zero you know and and they can be like well okay i guess you can exercise a little
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bit of it like like like thought on this it's just a stupid argument it's something that like i can see
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it makes sense in like a high school context if you like think you're like two high schoolers arguing
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against each other yeah i was just like well you're actually the arrogant one to think that like
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low iq isn't helpful it's like bro bro bro we're talking about like how do we survive long term of the
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species and that means becoming interplanetary that means not being dominated and wiped out by ai
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that means not going the eloi murloc route what you know hdr is a time machine you it matters not
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becoming stupid idiocracy can happen now you should watch our video on the idiocracy thing demonetized by
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the way even mentioning the science around this i love that they only pulled on one of our studies from
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that and they're like the people who wrote the study showing iq is dropping by 0.1 points per year
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they argue it's actually due to this other effect and it's like yeah of course they did their
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mainstream academics they're not going to be able to say you can also look at the companies that look
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at the iq correlates to polygenic factors within large data sets like i think the greenland data set
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and see that it's decreasing over time or that it's also directly tied to low fertility but okay
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ignoring all of that if you have dysgenics in a population and as they said in this piece and as we
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send a reply to them you get dysgenics in a population as soon as like when did it start
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to get really really bad in humans well one there's a great study that was done by a team that showed
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actually you always get dysgenic some level of dysgenics at the height of a civilization so the
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polygenic markers that were associated with high educational attainment today if we look at roman burial
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graves from before the height of the empire they were unusually high and then they start to decrease
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to much lower levels in the surrounding areas as the empire reached its peak which of course makes
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sense you know you you when you live in a super abundant environment you're not going to have the
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same environmental pressure selecting um at you but then it got really really bad when we went from
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an environment where 50 of kids died before the age of one to one where almost nobody dies before the
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age of one because that's where you just get like random like genetic damage being carried over like
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evolution stops working or even maintaining what it's built when nobody dies that's which is a good
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thing it just means that we need to introduce different different medical treatments to account for the fact
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that now rather through death we need to weed out deadly traits through other means so this then leads to
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uh a problem which is if you have a real dysgenic effect within a population and which they also
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in the article argue that dysgenics is not a real term and that real geneticists don't believe in it
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what they basically meant is real geneticists know they're not supposed to say it yeah but like
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everybody who's like broadly saying knows low iq is being selected for right now and us making this
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point makes us no more like radicals than mike judge but you know who did by the way idiocracy and
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beavis and butthead and office what was it the silicon valley office space oh no it was just
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called silicon valley yeah yeah he did office space too so yeah we're at that level where we're just
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pointing out like a basic scientific reality that if you don't believe in it you're just
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we it's a religion that's driving you to believe that because it's not like even a scientific reality
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that's particularly difficult to find out or measure or track again you can see our
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kid we be coming in the idiocracy episode but anyway so they they if you do have dysgenics in a
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population there's really only two realistic pathways you can go down in an attempt to address
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the dysgenics one is eugenics and what eugenics is is saying well we need to at the level of social
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policy or society or mass shaming on average force people to make more genetically healthy decisions
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and we see this as evil and coercive the alternate pathway is to say well i refuse to coerce anyone
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okay and i know that i cannot persuade the vast majority of people to make you know healthy choices
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basically and therefore i need to create an opt-in community for the individuals and the cultures
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and the families who do want to practice forms of you know genetic hygiene whether that is polygenic
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selection or whether that is just their own mate selection or whether that is you know there's all sorts
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of forms of this and that's the pathway that we have gone down and as we have pointed out in our other
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talks to us elite are the people who show up but the problem is that the the people who are smart and
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forward thinking and think you know on 100 year time frames they often also are people who are
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economically and career successful so there is going to be some overlap between what people would think
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of the traditional economic elite and the types of people we see as quote-unquote elite because they
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recognize real problems and are trying to create solutions to them but for us this is really a coalition of
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the willing and we point out there we're like and eventually if we are successful at this this this
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could lead to speciation or it really needs to if we don't bring everyone on board and of course they
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saw this as a super offensive point but it is just a a point that needs to be like laid out i don't even
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think they mentioned it in the article or speciation comment they included that among their claims that
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they planned on publishing and then i think after we explained what we meant or had them think through
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yeah basically what i told them is look when i say that speciation may have to happen i am saying
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that we may not be able to convince everyone to do this voluntarily and we refuse to coerce people
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that's how speciation happens yes you kind of ruined the fun of it yeah i was like i was like what you
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are accusing us of is saying how dare you not force everyone into your ideology because that is the
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scenario in which speciation happens yeah um and i think that yeah that just made it less fun for them
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well i think the problem is think people don't think through the implications of i guess not adhering
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to what we're arguing or what we advocate for they think that you know if we for whatever reason
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don't force people to get involved or we i don't know just like if it's not but i mean there is
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something offensive about polygenics which is that it does lead to a presumption of speciation
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yeah assumes you're going to bring everyone along polygenics or everyone who you don't sterilize i
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suppose all surviving humans but while polygenics assumes that some people are going to be left behind
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because you're not going to force them or put a gun to their head or use social pressure on them
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yeah well i mean and in general i think our movement is uh when anyone attacks us they're
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just not really thinking through the implications of what they're arguing for versus what we're
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arguing for because if for example no one tried to intervene with regard to demographic collapse
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again things like gender equality and high levels of educational attainment technophilia
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would all be kind of under threat but way more than they are basic things that they claim they care
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about if environmentalism yeah communities today that are having lots of kids okay if they end up
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creating the dominant cultural groups of far human future the things that you act like you care about
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like gay people and trans people they will not be allowed to exist in the future like you can just
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run the numbers and and i think that there's this denialism of this obvious reality yeah i really
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like how all the compliments they have for us in here yeah they their wording is so flattering the
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best known activists in the transatlantic prenatalist scene are malcolm and simone collins former tech
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workers and venture capitalists they're now the de facto spoke de facto spokespeople for the
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prenatalist movement and have landed coverage in an impressive number of publications in the uk
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the us and canada in september 2024 the collins has appeared in the pages of the wall street journal
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and a broadcast of nbc news they have previously been profiled by the guardian the telegraph business
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insider vice and pierce morgan on his talk tv show it's just so funny i spoke last night at a republican
00:28:19.900
fundraiser in our area i was given a very warm welcome you know as as as a speaker and a candidate
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it didn't come close to this level of flattering this is this is a hit piece what on earth no hold
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on go further keep reading they argue for the prenatalist cause in their media appearances books
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podcast shows and dinners they organize with transatlantic tech entrepreneurs c-suite executives
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and politicians simone is now running on a prenatalist platform in the pennsylvania state elections for
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the republican party this november she's contesting the district 150 which sits in montgomery county
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and also although is currently held by a democrat was republican until 2019 simone and malcolm have a
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sharp understanding of the media ecosystem they speak in quotable sound bites and present themselves as
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amusing eccentrics they talk for instance about the year of the harvest when in 2018 the couple underwent
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ivf and their embryos frozen simone has joked with reporters that she wants to keep having kids until
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her uterus is forcibly removed so far the collinses have four children and plan on a dozen
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i really should just give people this excerpt from this hit piece on us introducing us this is this is
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why we should be running things because this is the way our opponents see us as they're like well they're
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very eloquent and they're really good at not stepping on landmines but then here they do the classic
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thing that pretty much anyone who leans to the left does when trying to cover pronatalism from a
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non-charitable view which is to say um these people believe in pronatalism you know who else believed in
00:29:58.460
pronatalism nazis because the next section the communists in the in in that era when it was fascist
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versus communist versus capitalist the communists were more pronatalist than the nazis they had
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actual pronatalist campaigns in their countries i know no like no no no no don't don't throw marxism
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under the bus but here's here's what they do and and this is just so classic in terms of how this
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movement is attacked and it's so annoying because it's like you know who also ate food you know the
00:30:30.140
collinses eat food hitler also ate food like you can't do that but they're like key to understanding
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prenatalism is demographic collapse the idea that an imminent crisis awaits society when women have
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fewer babies this was captured best by spearhead a magazine founded by john tyndall a british neo-nazi
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who once led the national front and the british national party okay what this was captured best by
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a nazi who is like it's so bizarre that literally they seem to like know more about nazis than we do
00:31:00.620
like i don't know the spirit i don't know this person i don't know i i genuinely think that they
00:31:07.180
have a better understanding of nazi like a modern nazi ideology than you don't think that you know
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that because we don't really know much about nazi ideology i have at least i don't any of this far
00:31:17.820
right stuff like despite what they want to believe i don't know any of this ecosystem where they're like
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oh we tied you to i remember they were like oh richard spencer went to an event where you were
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talking was one of the things i mentioned here it's like i don't control over who shows up when
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i'm speaking like what do you want me to do like start screaming and run off the stage or like pull
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out a gun and start shooting i'm like everybody get down hot crime and like hot crime i don't know him
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by his face i don't even know him by his name it's the most generic name i've ever heard he needs a
00:31:50.300
better name if he wants to be that inflammatory yeah you think that like people went around with like
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a sign that says like neo-nazi so you would at least know you know just so that you could make
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sure it doesn't rub off on you you know just in case pages it's like it's like the bluebonic plague
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broke out and they're like nailing the doors closed they're like so sorry everyone here it's
00:32:09.580
like the crimson party or whatever that that famous short story is called what short story am i thinking
00:32:14.460
of i don't know actually it was about the bulanic plague anyway so the the people will be saying in
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the comments oh you idiots how could you not know this famous work anyway so i also love that where
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they were able to get like really offensive stuff from us was from screen grabbing our title cards
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because we always use like clickbaity title card things that aren't what we actually talk about in
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the episode so one that was only a few episodes old was the episode where the title card said protecting
00:32:44.220
education was jewish technology which was it showed like flames in the background so i think they
00:32:49.820
they just didn't watch the episode and assumed it was anti-semitic or something yeah the whole
00:32:54.700
episode about how yeshivas are a good education system and we should borrow from them to better
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protect our own education systems but i love like we have anti-semitic fan like like some people who
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watch this are anti-semitic right and they got they got all mad at that they're like why you know the
00:33:12.220
jews are the people who started all of this destruction was in our academic system and it's like okay first
00:33:17.580
of all that's not true but like even if you take this perspective then why would you not be paying
00:33:22.780
careful attention to how the jews are differentially doing education and do it that way because apparently
00:33:28.540
they're the architects around all of this so why not borrow that cultural technology that they have
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purportedly been using in their master plot for years it's an incredibly pro-jewish episode anybody who
00:33:39.500
actually watches our episodes know that there's actually a greater claim to be made that we are
00:33:44.060
offensively philio-semitic and and zionist because i am an absolute zionist i believe
00:33:49.500
very strongly in the state of israel's right to exist i'm sorry what i should say is the is the right
00:33:55.420
of the jewish people to reclaim their ancestral lands from colonizers and then to defend the ancestral
00:34:05.260
tribal land that they reclaimed from the colonizing groups that by the way destroyed their monuments and
00:34:11.820
create it's so funny that like unironically the same progressive will be like look at mount rushmore
00:34:18.460
how disgusting that they would chisel this in the in the wall you know their their national pride of
00:34:25.420
the presidents and the wall of this historic like spiritually important mountain to this tribe tribal
00:34:31.180
group and then they like look at the dome of the rock on top of the old temple and they're like yes
00:34:36.300
this is right and good and the jewish people should not be able to to rebuild this even though they
00:34:41.100
control the land they should be getting no props for not rebuilding this actually i might want to do
00:34:45.740
a tweet on that particular subject because that is actually a horrific thing that like people don't
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think about so what are some of the other title called here oh yes gay islam and birth rates we're
00:34:58.060
very pro-islam in that episode that's the episode where we talk started off and being like a lot of
00:35:01.500
muslims have a really good head on this but like not all muslims are pro-gay especially the ones who are in
00:35:08.540
hamas do the like gaze for gaza people not understand that like everybody who supported
00:35:14.380
them in the region has already been killed like and that's another thing that i think they don't
00:35:18.940
like a lot of progressives don't get is that hamas when they're like what about the innocent people
00:35:22.700
there and it's like yeah hamas went around killing them like that already happened there's not that many
00:35:30.060
left but anyway what i mean is you can look at the polls around like support of hamas and more of
00:35:35.340
october 7th supportive you know abuse of the hostages among the general population and the
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numbers are just like crazy high well i think in terms of these days larger takeaways is that
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hold on we got to do the last one here okay which was the title card for should women be allowed to own
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money women with money don't have kids and this one of course they chose to post that and not the one
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of tried wives or a progressive conspiracy yeah but i i love that they did post that one because
00:36:04.380
they didn't they didn't quote me in it where i'm like well it does turn out that if we did remove if
00:36:09.100
women had less money they'd probably have more kids but they don't put the but that doesn't mean
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that we should give them less money line you know immediately after that but okay simone you
00:36:18.060
wanted to wrap this up i think the the bigger point is that this is not a problem for us because of a
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a couple things and i think this is just i think a good proof point for other general advice that we
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give to a lot of people that i think a lot of people want to discount one being that you should
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have very clear virtues but also very clear vices people should know what's wrong with you and you
00:36:42.780
should be very open about what's wrong with you because it's going to come out eventually we're
00:36:48.300
horrible elitists i mean we've always yeah that we're elitists and that we yeah primarily that we're
00:36:54.220
elitists and we believe in genes and are very open about that and that we're weird that we're
00:36:58.860
like openly weird that would come out of this for me if i was somebody watching us or interested in
00:37:04.140
potentially donating to the prenatalist cause or getting more involved in the prenatalist cause or
00:37:09.020
saying oh let's see if i can platform them on a more mainstream platform this to me i see as sort of
00:37:15.900
like our public test people got to see in the most extreme conditions what are we going to say like
00:37:25.100
is there going to be a moment because this was a huge thing for the tea party where it turned out
00:37:29.420
at one point that a lot of the people who were in leadership positions in the tea party they got
00:37:33.340
alone was reporters and they started going like hog wild racist conspiracy anti-semitic is one day
00:37:39.580
something like that going to come out on us and i think that this was a pretty good test that no
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that's not going to happen and i think that this is a very interesting thing when we did the episode
00:37:50.380
that was contrasting the new right movement i.e all these tech quote-unquote elites that are moving into
00:37:55.660
the right-wing media space are they going to explode in the same way the tea party did and i think one of
00:38:01.660
the core things that led to the explosion and dissolution of the tea party as well as the first base
00:38:07.020
platform that supported trump is that these people were just not as not they they were actually under
00:38:15.020
the table like super racist super anti-semitic super and and them being exposed for that was always just
00:38:22.140
a matter of time this is the second you're going to tolerate that and this is this yeah but this is
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the second point that i want to make which is that a lot of people i know are really big on protecting
00:38:33.260
their privacy and they don't want people to know their views publicly and the thing is that can come
00:38:39.580
out and we were targeted without our knowledge by an undercover journalist but it's not a problem
00:38:45.900
with us because we didn't say anything to him that honestly we would not have said to a journalist
00:38:49.820
who just told us they were a journalist from the beginning we really didn't and that's why this is not
00:38:55.100
bad for us and i would just encourage people to maybe rethink their strategy about oh i have to be
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super private and super you know because one it's very stressful and the people i know who are really
00:39:08.620
big on maintaining their privacy or not having certain opinions of theirs be aired publicly seem
00:39:14.780
very stressed very uptight and like just i feel like their lifespan is going to be shorter they have
00:39:21.260
more gray hairs it's just really stressed it's like it's like trying to keep a lie and they're not
00:39:25.260
lying obviously they're just trying to protect a private part of their lives but to me it just
00:39:30.140
seems to have a really high cost but then i would also just argue that things like this can happen to
00:39:35.900
you we're not the only people who are affected in this whole thing and there may be people who are
00:39:40.940
hurt a lot more than this because they've chosen to take very private i think that the people who are
00:39:46.700
getting hurt by this or that will be hurt by this are people who we have privately had arguments with
00:39:53.740
saying you need to back off from this hbd stuff you need to back off from this hbd stuff it's gonna
00:39:58.380
blow up in your face and they're like you guys just you know engage with everything engage with
00:40:03.900
everything they're they're manateeing it which is a joke from south park where you take one idea ball
00:40:08.300
out of the tank and the manatees can't do anything family guy is written by manatees
00:40:13.660
of course it all makes sense now you see the right side of the tank is filled with idea balls
00:40:19.020
there's millions of them the manatees choose an idea ball and swim it over to the joke combine
00:40:23.740
on the other side of the tank pull just one idea ball out of the idea tank and the manatees stop
00:40:38.220
and i'm like look we're in an existential fight for the species when it comes to fertility rates
00:40:45.660
or dysgenics you don't approve well too bad we're in this for the species boys and girls and it's just
00:40:53.740
not worth engaging in certain topics right now and there there will be consequences if you continue to
00:41:01.100
go down this pathway and everybody was like no no no i've already publicly stood for this i'm not going
00:41:07.100
to go back on this i'm not going to you know and i'm like well you really should but i think i don't
00:41:12.860
know if i agree with you simone you think some people should stay private some people have to
00:41:17.900
stay private by the nature of their work so i understand that but if you don't then yeah i also
00:41:23.420
don't know if i agree with you in saying that people need clear devices the wood we the way we would
00:41:30.220
around any sort of a friend or something like that we choose our words very carefully so the person
00:41:37.500
that we are talking to often will know the intent of what we are trying to say
00:41:42.300
while not actually saying anything that's particularly offensive well maybe you have
00:41:48.060
the sophistication to do that i just say the same thing in front of everyone but i guess that gets us in
00:41:52.780
trouble like that time when a journalist was like hey can you like explain what your critics say of
00:41:58.860
you in their words and i'm like oh yes they say this interrupting you and i was like why are you
00:42:03.980
doing this idea ever i love you malcolm and i'm glad this wasn't bad did you see the email i forwarded
00:42:13.420
you of the the van the voter services van oh yeah it's so sketchy is it so obvious that they're like
00:42:21.900
it's so obvious sorry what she's talking about is in our district now now they have a giant van
00:42:25.980
that goes around and what does it do it keeps the boat and ultra secures it it registers people to
00:42:30.700
vote it can accept provisional ballots i think it accepts mail-in ballots as well and you can register
00:42:37.020
to vote through mail like for mail-in ballots so yeah they're basically just going going around getting
00:42:43.980
they're not even trying anymore like anyone oh my god if you want to uh share this article i have
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00:42:55.100
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00:43:01.580
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