Based Camp - We Were EXPOSED! An Undercover Reporter Recorded Our Private Conversations and Meetings

00:00:00.000 hello simone today is a special episode because this was an article that was two years in the

00:00:06.480 making two years ago you and i went out to drinks with who turned out to be an undercover reporter

00:00:14.820 for the organization hope not hate that has done this amazing and groundbreaking expose on us

00:00:21.760 actually quite flattering like it is these guys are big deal these guys i mean i come away with

00:00:29.280 two big big takeaways from this one is nobody cares one of my favorite things is two years to do

00:00:37.860 an investigation to get 26 likes that was one of the comments under it and i went through every

00:00:42.560 single comment under it on twitter and there wasn't a single one supporting them all of them 0.72

00:00:46.660 were like our fans or other supporters of us that were just like you guys are crazy you guys are the 0.73

00:00:50.880 bigots you guys are the hope not hate actually turned off comments on no it looked like that for 0.54

00:00:56.680 you because they blocked you oh i don't know how things work okay that explains things but anyway

00:01:03.820 so first nobody cares dodson dodson we've got dodson here nobody cares just just things you can't cancel

00:01:14.840 people anymore like cancellations are so over this organization was founded back in 2004 and really

00:01:21.580 it grew to its height during that 2010 culture wars era which you know the the woke side of the

00:01:27.640 culture wars no longer has the momentum it had back then and a lot of people knew this article was going

00:01:32.940 to come out before it came out because they had to warn us all because it was in the uk and it involved

00:01:35.840 undercover reporters and everyone else was freaking out i was like nobody's gonna care

00:01:40.380 i mean the guardian may try to turn this into a piece or something but like on us they just didn't

00:01:46.300 you know they got us saying naughty things and we'll go over them but they're just not that naughty

00:01:51.440 you know so i think the one thing is just nobody cares about this type of stuff anymore

00:01:54.840 that and the other thing is i think that organizations like hope not hate especially given their tactic

00:01:59.520 of supposedly infiltrating using their undercover operatives extremist far-right groups as they like

00:02:07.320 to put it by doing that i think they were trying to reveal this just under the surface pervasive

00:02:13.260 and blatant white nationalist cabal in both the united states and the uk and europe and it just i

00:02:21.940 don't think it just it just doesn't really exist it's not really a thing and what they yeah continue

00:02:27.440 in that show that i still am just finishing up in the good fight where they there is this sort of

00:02:33.140 this trump derangement show that really shows inside the id of someone who has trump derangement syndrome

00:02:37.600 in their final season in season six there are these protests some of the trucker protests or they're

00:02:42.520 trying to depict but they take place in chicago for some reason and they literally have these groups

00:02:47.960 of khaki clad white men running through the streets with burning tiki torches chanting you will not

00:02:55.200 replace us and they just are doing it like juno yes in juno there's this like troop of runners that

00:03:00.940 are constantly going around they look like the juno runners and they're just sort of like running 0.99

00:03:04.260 around all the time throughout chicago with their little tiki torches saying you will not replace us 0.60

00:03:08.880 and i feel like that's what hope not hate was trying to reveal is like they're everywhere and

00:03:14.280 they're evil and they're just under the surface and they're saying all these things and we're going

00:03:18.580 to show you we're going to expose it and then they spend two years once again because they did this in

00:03:23.440 the u.s for a while and now they were doing it in europe trying to expose these hateful

00:03:28.040 racist nazis and they just aren't there yeah i i think that that was one of the problems that they

00:03:36.400 ran into is that these people don't really exist except on the fringe and certainly not in the core

00:03:42.080 of the movement however i i will say that a lot of people um in private and and this was the other

00:03:50.820 thing that i really took away from this meeting is a lot of people will ask simone and malcolm

00:03:56.580 why are you the people running the pronatalist movement like why are you the most prominent

00:04:00.760 voices we should find somebody else you know we should find somebody who's more normal or more

00:04:07.420 you know they they want somebody more in line with their version of whatever they think it should be

00:04:11.400 maybe somebody who's more open to hvd stuff some maybe somebody who's more classically theologically

00:04:18.260 conservative or yeah or even someone who's more progressive like we get attacked from all angles of

00:04:23.480 white we're either too conservative or too progressive or not religious enough or too religious

00:04:27.480 i think that this particular reporter showed not just why we have risen within the movement as we have

00:04:35.620 but why it makes sense for the movement to continue to double down on us being the central figures was that

00:04:43.540 we you and i were alone in private with somebody who was saying they would give money to our foundation

00:04:53.260 with somebody who is signaling themselves to be incredibly racist with somebody who i was drunk

00:04:59.980 and we just taken an overnight red-eye flight in economy from the u.s to the uk yes we just landed

00:05:07.440 they had given me alcohol which unfortunately i built a degree of immunity to people are like

00:05:13.140 why are you doing this because they can't get me can't get me oh my gosh it's like that scene in

00:05:17.360 indiana jones where there's the drinking contest and you know she pretends to be progressively drunk

00:05:21.780 but she just gets up in the end and starts cleaning up yeah that is that is exactly what happened so

00:05:28.220 but i i feel like in that scenario i rolled nat 20s with this reporter i was rolling nat 20s on

00:05:36.760 charisma checks all night i i was a character completely scattered into charisma oh would

00:05:42.340 you put your ability points on by the way i put mine into charisma oh yeah charisma is important

00:05:48.820 yeah would you put the rest on charisma yeah like obviously out of your 20 starting ability points

00:05:55.620 you put some into charisma and then you put some into like constitution and strength charisma baby

00:06:01.000 you put them all into charisma hell yeah because i think it would it's very very hard to talk about 0.91

00:06:11.980 these types of issues in ways that do not come back and bite other people in the butt and i think

00:06:18.880 often our supporters may not understand the full 4d chess calculation that's at play particularly

00:06:26.440 particularly around things like human biodiversity for example like they're like oh why are you guys

00:06:32.720 always pushing that there really aren't that big of genetic differences between ethnic groups

00:06:37.300 why don't you ever air any statistics to the contrary etc and the the core end of the day is is one

00:06:45.480 the data just isn't that strong you can go to any of our episodes on this so it's not worth having this

00:06:49.860 fight but even if the data was strong if we were the type of people who succumb to those

00:06:54.760 susceptibilities our fans aren't just basement 4chan you know dwellers right like i love you 4chan people

00:07:03.600 but what i mean is there's this group of people in the comments and there's this group of people who

00:07:07.820 have time all day to spend online and they don't really think about oh what happens when my boss at

00:07:14.360 mckenzie comes to me and he said hey you you said you support those pro natalist guys did you know that

00:07:19.860 they're going around saying that there's significant iq differences between ethnic groups that are

00:07:24.440 completely genetic like do you support that do you believe that this is the type of thing that

00:07:29.040 someone could lose their job over and i think that a lot of people don't really consider uh the damage

00:07:37.060 that can be done around stuff like this and i think that this article for us showed anybody who was

00:07:44.040 hesitant and i think that a lot of people have been hesitant about permanently attaching themselves to

00:07:49.080 the prenatalist movement publicly because they don't know what crazy off the rails thing is going

00:07:54.000 to happen to the movement that's going to fly back and hit them right like that's that's a huge fear

00:07:59.040 that especially people with big public followings have around the prenatalist movement and this

00:08:03.780 undercover piece i think brings those people a lot of comfort because they're like oh they're not just

00:08:10.980 out there publicly saying we are extremely extremely careful not to cross certain lines

00:08:18.600 but they structure their entire lives in private when they're drunk when the only other person in

00:08:26.100 the room is signaling that they're a big racist when that person is offering to give the money

00:08:29.620 um they do not get tripped up they do not even in terms of sympathy and it's so easy to do when

00:08:36.580 you're in the room with someone and you don't want to make them feel uncomfortable

00:08:38.880 and you just say something like well you know maybe you're right about that or maybe you're

00:08:42.980 right about that that we didn't succumb to any of that nor and this is something i don't know how

00:08:49.720 many of our like super famous friends or or well resourced friends watch every episode of the show

00:08:55.360 or an episode like this one or did we drop a single name so it's not just that we keep your names out of

00:09:02.500 our mouse on this show also in private when we're talking to people we don't use your names

00:09:08.780 in fact even when simone and i are talking not in private we use code words for all of our famous

00:09:15.380 friends because we don't want to be accidentally picked up on a phone or accidentally picked up by

00:09:20.060 a table next to us or accidentally so we are oh even picked up by like the smart devices in our home

00:09:26.160 we just assume because at this point you really should uh between ai and yeah i feel like i even

00:09:31.700 he could do like a search yeah yeah any anyone should assume that they could be recorded at any

00:09:39.380 point i think that i was recently looking at research that found that i think you could use

00:09:43.500 wi-fi to find out where people are within a house like it can use it to see sort of where signals are

00:09:48.980 bouncing off humans in a house which is insane so don't ever assume you can be safe or hidden unless

00:09:56.200 you're in some kind of crazy secure venue that we can all see occasionally on zilligan wild which is

00:10:01.940 wonderful but let's let's go to the core of the claim or attack on us in the article because i do

00:10:09.860 think that that's something that has come up frequently in attacks not just of us but of the

00:10:14.360 pro natalist movement at large and it's something that i think needs to be addressed very clearly and

00:10:20.560 head-on because it is very inaccurate yet pervasive and persistent and original accusations of us in

00:10:27.500 many ways i think have been dropped because we've just so resoundingly addressed them perhaps we haven't

00:10:31.960 resoundingly addressed this element of of the criticism well i i the the the polygenics versus

00:10:38.660 eugenics argument is what you want to talk about no so the the the core of the thing that i'm arguing

00:10:45.160 about is that that they implied that we only want certain people the right people to be having that's

00:10:53.880 true well that's we want people who care about the future to have kids yeah but i i think that

00:11:01.220 pro natalism for everyone is fundamentally a bad idea you know in the new york times when they

00:11:06.060 recently did a piece on us and they're like they want to force everyone to have kids and we're like

00:11:10.680 absolutely not you can look at like our dinks video we're dinks we get into snobby hobbies like

00:11:14.640 skiing and golfing we're dinks we can go to florida on a whim we're dinks we're already planning our

00:11:19.280 european vacation next year thanks but i'm like look from a genetic standpoint dinks probably shouldn't 0.92

00:11:24.620 be having kids they seem to be pretty low so pro-sociality pretty high narcissism from a a being 0.91

00:11:30.160 a good parent dinks shouldn't have kids from a cultural standpoint dinks shouldn't have kids 0.99

00:11:34.440 i don't yeah but they're not implying that they're they're in fact implying basically the opposite 0.92

00:11:39.600 they're basically implying that we think that only white wealthy people should be having kids

00:11:44.780 and they definitely don't imply that they definitely really yeah so i'll go over the claims that are

00:11:50.200 made and the specific things they got us for on camera because they do have a camera they've got

00:11:54.880 like a camera of simone talking here that was you that was my voice yeah you were the biggest

00:11:59.920 actually have you not watched the clip so the big the big thing they caught us on where they're like

00:12:05.560 oh oh we got him on something big well there was two one was actually pretty interesting that they

00:12:10.600 put in here was that i have gone to the bohemian grove um that you know we talk about it's pretty

00:12:17.320 publicly known that simone used to be managing director of dialogue which was founded by a secret

00:12:20.480 society founded by peter teal and we've done some other secret society work for like this

00:12:24.180 futures foundation but that i haven't been publicly tied to the bohemian grove before because legally

00:12:29.560 i couldn't publicly talk about it and so now i can only publicly say what they caught me in

00:12:35.120 in a private interview i guess which is i have been so that's something which i actually don't

00:12:40.900 mind being public it's it adds more credibility to some of the other things i say i know about

00:12:45.980 where people are like oh he definitely doesn't know about that stuff he can't possibly be that

00:12:50.340 well connected and then they're like oh he is actually that well connected so that was one thing

00:12:55.780 and then the the other thing um was that we said well we go out and we talk to reporters and we say

00:13:02.780 stuff like you know we want to help everyone but in in reality you know we try to focus on the elites

00:13:10.060 unfortunately and i said unfortunately here i was rolling full 20s that night i.e you know and what

00:13:16.040 we said in the response to them was what do you expect like you we have a limited amount of money

00:13:21.720 you really think we can have the same amount of impact by talking to like four homeless people in

00:13:25.840 ohio instead of talking to like policymakers in dc or at major tech firms and that is true that is an

00:13:32.240 angle to it we talk specifically to the elites because the elites have influence but this idea

00:13:38.360 that like we want the very best within society to to disproportionately have more kids where you draw

00:13:45.800 the line at best is obviously a variable thing and the way that we draw it right now which was the way

00:13:52.220 that simone was making this point is to say that we want this line to be a voluntary line for people

00:13:58.640 who opt into this stuff yeah that it's that we want people who want kids to have kids that we we don't

00:14:07.300 think people who don't want kids or who aren't in a good position to have kids should have kids and

00:14:13.300 i think there's this feeling like to make prenatalism fair you should force everyone to

00:14:22.460 have kids but then again that's obviously evil so we're both kind of accused of coercing people

00:14:28.320 into having kids but then we're also accused of not coercing people into have kids does that make

00:14:32.460 sense to you i feel like that's happening though like how dare you not be dragging these people yeah

00:14:38.200 yeah how dare you you're right you're right that's a good point yeah the new york times just did a

00:14:41.880 piece where it was like how how dare you be trying to force everyone to have kids and then these guys

00:14:47.460 just did another attack on us which was how dare you not force everyone to have kids exactly so we're

00:14:53.720 being accused of both and i just i want to make it so clear that we do think and and this is actually

00:14:59.900 so something that they first before this article came out they emailed us last week saying we are

00:15:08.420 going to publish something on you here are the allegations we're going to make do you know do

00:15:13.860 you want to respond to any of these and we actually responded to quite a few things that ultimately

00:15:19.100 didn't make it into the article because i think they they ultimately discovered through our responses

00:15:25.960 perhaps that they were making really weak claims but one of their claims was elitism that we only want

00:15:31.780 very specific types of people and that we only think you know that the the oh no they do refer to it in

00:15:37.740 this article that we're calvinists and we only think the elect will matter and very few people

00:15:42.400 matter in the larger scheme they claim that they are an organization that promotes religious tolerance

00:15:48.720 and yet and this isn't even like one of our weird techno puritan things this is just common across all

00:15:53.520 the calvinist traditions they attack us in this article without mentioning really that this is a normal

00:15:59.220 calvinist thing to believe the concept of the elect and that before you're born it's sort of

00:16:05.360 predetermined because we believe in a predetermined history we believe in timeline determinism whether

00:16:10.960 or not you will be a person who matters in life and they try to play our theological belief in a

00:16:18.860 deterministic reality as a belief in genetic determinism well they also try to connect the

00:16:25.220 fact that we target elites in our marketing campaigns and in our influence campaigns because

00:16:29.740 obviously these are the people affecting policy affecting culture etc which is where we have to place

00:16:34.300 pressure to raise awareness about demographic collapse with our philosophy around who matters and who

00:16:40.640 doesn't so what they're trying to do with this article is imply that because we put our focus on elites in

00:16:46.320 our in our tactics and campaigns that therefore we also think elites are the only ones who are

00:16:51.960 predestined to matter and i take umbrage to that right that is not fair that's just like smart spending of

00:16:58.940 of resources versus what i can say but we would also argue that many of the very same elites that

00:17:04.640 we target ultimately are not people who are predestined to matter because they choose to not

00:17:10.140 inherit the future they choose to not make a difference in the world they choose to not do this

00:17:13.960 and many people who certainly don't fall under our purview in terms of people we think are worth

00:17:18.900 our time to target because currently their impact on the future or at least in terms of current their

00:17:24.640 impact on current policy and current culture is very limited they are still going to be absolutely

00:17:31.580 people who matter because they are going to be ones who have kids and raise them in intergenerational

00:17:36.600 durable cultures and those are the people who matter so there's a big difference between someone who

00:17:41.120 today is elite and capable of influencing how demographic collapse plays out and someone who today in the

00:17:48.620 future is not elite is not really going to influence today's culture or today's policy but who's still

00:17:54.560 going to very much matter a ton in the future does that make sense i think a better way to understand

00:17:59.780 this concept is was the difference and we explain this difference to them in our reply to them they

00:18:04.000 didn't really get into it here because they want to accuse us of being eugenicists and we just

00:18:07.620 definitionally aren't you can go to the wikipedia definition of eugenicists and i think that this is where

00:18:12.600 the concept of a polygenicist versus a eugenicist is a very important dichotomy that individuals within

00:18:21.320 this movement and community should understand so that they understand where they fall in terms of

00:18:28.680 how do you deal with dysgenic selection and there is really only two courses polygenics or eugenics and

00:18:36.500 they are very very very very very different courses and they are both offensive they are both evil so

00:18:42.900 we're not saying oh we're the non-evil ones because we're the polygenicists there's actually a lot wrong

00:18:46.960 with polygenics but you ultimately have to choose one of two solutions otherwise the species heads

00:18:53.380 towards extinctions and i love that some people on our podcast will be like oh you know they think

00:18:59.140 they're so smart you know talking about dysgenics like how are they to say that it's actually a bad

00:19:06.680 thing that low iq is being selected for i mean if it's what is genetically working then it's a good

00:19:11.780 thing because it's genetically working and it's like well not really if you are a sane thinking

00:19:19.380 individual you can do things like plot out what role is ai going to have in the economy in a hundred

00:19:24.860 years what's the chance that our species will survive a thousand years if this particular selective

00:19:30.260 pressure is on us for the next hundred or two hundred years and i can say oh it goes down dramatically

00:19:35.100 or to almost zero you know and and they can be like well okay i guess you can exercise a little 0.93

00:19:42.200 bit of it like like like thought on this it's just a stupid argument it's something that like i can see 0.93

00:19:47.000 it makes sense in like a high school context if you like think you're like two high schoolers arguing 0.94

00:19:51.740 against each other yeah i was just like well you're actually the arrogant one to think that like

00:19:56.020 low iq isn't helpful it's like bro bro bro we're talking about like how do we survive long term of the

00:20:02.780 species and that means becoming interplanetary that means not being dominated and wiped out by ai

00:20:08.000 that means not going the eloi murloc route what you know hdr is a time machine you it matters not 0.96

00:20:15.120 becoming stupid idiocracy can happen now you should watch our video on the idiocracy thing demonetized by 0.91

00:20:22.440 the way even mentioning the science around this i love that they only pulled on one of our studies from 0.98

00:20:27.300 that and they're like the people who wrote the study showing iq is dropping by 0.1 points per year

00:20:31.920 they argue it's actually due to this other effect and it's like yeah of course they did their

00:20:37.000 mainstream academics they're not going to be able to say you can also look at the companies that look

00:20:41.220 at the iq correlates to polygenic factors within large data sets like i think the greenland data set

00:20:47.140 and see that it's decreasing over time or that it's also directly tied to low fertility but okay

00:20:52.280 ignoring all of that if you have dysgenics in a population and as they said in this piece and as we

00:20:58.120 send a reply to them you get dysgenics in a population as soon as like when did it start

00:21:02.400 to get really really bad in humans well one there's a great study that was done by a team that showed

00:21:08.200 actually you always get dysgenic some level of dysgenics at the height of a civilization so the

00:21:13.140 polygenic markers that were associated with high educational attainment today if we look at roman burial

00:21:19.520 graves from before the height of the empire they were unusually high and then they start to decrease

00:21:24.320 to much lower levels in the surrounding areas as the empire reached its peak which of course makes

00:21:29.980 sense you know you you when you live in a super abundant environment you're not going to have the

00:21:33.820 same environmental pressure selecting um at you but then it got really really bad when we went from

00:21:39.580 an environment where 50 of kids died before the age of one to one where almost nobody dies before the

00:21:44.000 age of one because that's where you just get like random like genetic damage being carried over like

00:21:50.480 evolution stops working or even maintaining what it's built when nobody dies that's which is a good

00:21:58.800 thing it just means that we need to introduce different different medical treatments to account for the fact

00:22:06.640 that now rather through death we need to weed out deadly traits through other means so this then leads to

00:22:18.320 uh a problem which is if you have a real dysgenic effect within a population and which they also

00:22:24.280 in the article argue that dysgenics is not a real term and that real geneticists don't believe in it

00:22:31.420 what they basically meant is real geneticists know they're not supposed to say it yeah but like

00:22:35.840 everybody who's like broadly saying knows low iq is being selected for right now and us making this

00:22:41.540 point makes us no more like radicals than mike judge but you know who did by the way idiocracy and 0.50

00:22:46.420 beavis and butthead and office what was it the silicon valley office space oh no it was just

00:22:52.480 called silicon valley yeah yeah he did office space too so yeah we're at that level where we're just

00:22:57.580 pointing out like a basic scientific reality that if you don't believe in it you're just

00:23:02.300 we it's a religion that's driving you to believe that because it's not like even a scientific reality

00:23:07.660 that's particularly difficult to find out or measure or track again you can see our

00:23:12.440 kid we be coming in the idiocracy episode but anyway so they they if you do have dysgenics in a 0.55

00:23:17.880 population there's really only two realistic pathways you can go down in an attempt to address

00:23:26.000 the dysgenics one is eugenics and what eugenics is is saying well we need to at the level of social

00:23:34.800 policy or society or mass shaming on average force people to make more genetically healthy decisions

00:23:43.140 and we see this as evil and coercive the alternate pathway is to say well i refuse to coerce anyone

00:23:54.600 okay and i know that i cannot persuade the vast majority of people to make you know healthy choices

00:24:01.900 basically and therefore i need to create an opt-in community for the individuals and the cultures

00:24:11.020 and the families who do want to practice forms of you know genetic hygiene whether that is polygenic

00:24:18.620 selection or whether that is just their own mate selection or whether that is you know there's all sorts

00:24:23.500 of forms of this and that's the pathway that we have gone down and as we have pointed out in our other

00:24:29.660 talks to us elite are the people who show up but the problem is that the the people who are smart and

00:24:36.220 forward thinking and think you know on 100 year time frames they often also are people who are

00:24:41.740 economically and career successful so there is going to be some overlap between what people would think

00:24:46.840 of the traditional economic elite and the types of people we see as quote-unquote elite because they

00:24:52.060 recognize real problems and are trying to create solutions to them but for us this is really a coalition of

00:24:57.180 the willing and we point out there we're like and eventually if we are successful at this this this

00:25:02.940 could lead to speciation or it really needs to if we don't bring everyone on board and of course they

00:25:08.300 saw this as a super offensive point but it is just a a point that needs to be like laid out i don't even

00:25:14.860 think they mentioned it in the article or speciation comment they included that among their claims that

00:25:20.460 they planned on publishing and then i think after we explained what we meant or had them think through

00:25:27.580 yeah basically what i told them is look when i say that speciation may have to happen i am saying

00:25:32.940 that we may not be able to convince everyone to do this voluntarily and we refuse to coerce people

00:25:38.540 that's how speciation happens yes you kind of ruined the fun of it yeah i was like i was like what you

00:25:45.100 are accusing us of is saying how dare you not force everyone into your ideology because that is the

00:25:51.100 scenario in which speciation happens yeah um and i think that yeah that just made it less fun for them

00:25:56.700 well i think the problem is think people don't think through the implications of i guess not adhering

00:26:03.100 to what we're arguing or what we advocate for they think that you know if we for whatever reason

00:26:09.260 don't force people to get involved or we i don't know just like if it's not but i mean there is

00:26:18.380 something offensive about polygenics which is that it does lead to a presumption of speciation

00:26:23.740 yeah assumes you're going to bring everyone along polygenics or everyone who you don't sterilize i

00:26:29.180 suppose all surviving humans but while polygenics assumes that some people are going to be left behind

00:26:36.540 because you're not going to force them or put a gun to their head or use social pressure on them

00:26:42.460 yeah well i mean and in general i think our movement is uh when anyone attacks us they're

00:26:47.100 just not really thinking through the implications of what they're arguing for versus what we're

00:26:50.780 arguing for because if for example no one tried to intervene with regard to demographic collapse

00:26:57.740 again things like gender equality and high levels of educational attainment technophilia

00:27:04.060 would all be kind of under threat but way more than they are basic things that they claim they care

00:27:09.660 about if environmentalism yeah communities today that are having lots of kids okay if they end up

00:27:16.460 creating the dominant cultural groups of far human future the things that you act like you care about

00:27:22.300 like gay people and trans people they will not be allowed to exist in the future like you can just 1.00

00:27:29.020 run the numbers and and i think that there's this denialism of this obvious reality yeah i really 0.79

00:27:38.460 like how all the compliments they have for us in here yeah they their wording is so flattering the

00:27:43.980 best known activists in the transatlantic prenatalist scene are malcolm and simone collins former tech

00:27:49.180 workers and venture capitalists they're now the de facto spoke de facto spokespeople for the

00:27:55.100 prenatalist movement and have landed coverage in an impressive number of publications in the uk

00:28:00.460 the us and canada in september 2024 the collins has appeared in the pages of the wall street journal

00:28:07.180 and a broadcast of nbc news they have previously been profiled by the guardian the telegraph business

00:28:13.340 insider vice and pierce morgan on his talk tv show it's just so funny i spoke last night at a republican

00:28:19.900 fundraiser in our area i was given a very warm welcome you know as as as a speaker and a candidate

00:28:25.100 it didn't come close to this level of flattering this is this is a hit piece what on earth no hold

00:28:33.740 on go further keep reading they argue for the prenatalist cause in their media appearances books

00:28:39.660 podcast shows and dinners they organize with transatlantic tech entrepreneurs c-suite executives

00:28:45.580 and politicians simone is now running on a prenatalist platform in the pennsylvania state elections for

00:28:51.100 the republican party this november she's contesting the district 150 which sits in montgomery county

00:28:57.580 and also although is currently held by a democrat was republican until 2019 simone and malcolm have a

00:29:03.740 sharp understanding of the media ecosystem they speak in quotable sound bites and present themselves as

00:29:08.620 amusing eccentrics they talk for instance about the year of the harvest when in 2018 the couple underwent

00:29:15.660 ivf and their embryos frozen simone has joked with reporters that she wants to keep having kids until 1.00

00:29:21.740 her uterus is forcibly removed so far the collinses have four children and plan on a dozen 0.99

00:29:28.460 i really should just give people this excerpt from this hit piece on us introducing us this is this is

00:29:34.460 why we should be running things because this is the way our opponents see us as they're like well they're

00:29:40.140 very eloquent and they're really good at not stepping on landmines but then here they do the classic

00:29:45.740 thing that pretty much anyone who leans to the left does when trying to cover pronatalism from a

00:29:50.700 non-charitable view which is to say um these people believe in pronatalism you know who else believed in

00:29:58.460 pronatalism nazis because the next section the communists in the in in that era when it was fascist

00:30:05.420 versus communist versus capitalist the communists were more pronatalist than the nazis they had

00:30:10.460 actual pronatalist campaigns in their countries i know no like no no no no don't don't throw marxism

00:30:19.660 under the bus but here's here's what they do and and this is just so classic in terms of how this

00:30:24.380 movement is attacked and it's so annoying because it's like you know who also ate food you know the

00:30:30.140 collinses eat food hitler also ate food like you can't do that but they're like key to understanding

00:30:35.100 prenatalism is demographic collapse the idea that an imminent crisis awaits society when women have 1.00

00:30:40.140 fewer babies this was captured best by spearhead a magazine founded by john tyndall a british neo-nazi

00:30:46.700 who once led the national front and the british national party okay what this was captured best by

00:30:53.500 a nazi who is like it's so bizarre that literally they seem to like know more about nazis than we do

00:31:00.620 like i don't know the spirit i don't know this person i don't know i i genuinely think that they

00:31:07.180 have a better understanding of nazi like a modern nazi ideology than you don't think that you know

00:31:12.140 that because we don't really know much about nazi ideology i have at least i don't any of this far

00:31:17.820 right stuff like despite what they want to believe i don't know any of this ecosystem where they're like

00:31:23.100 oh we tied you to i remember they were like oh richard spencer went to an event where you were

00:31:27.500 talking was one of the things i mentioned here it's like i don't control over who shows up when

00:31:31.980 i'm speaking like what do you want me to do like start screaming and run off the stage or like pull

00:31:36.460 out a gun and start shooting i'm like everybody get down hot crime and like hot crime i don't know him

00:31:44.860 by his face i don't even know him by his name it's the most generic name i've ever heard he needs a

00:31:50.300 better name if he wants to be that inflammatory yeah you think that like people went around with like

00:31:55.020 a sign that says like neo-nazi so you would at least know you know just so that you could make

00:31:59.980 sure it doesn't rub off on you you know just in case pages it's like it's like the bluebonic plague 0.85

00:32:05.580 broke out and they're like nailing the doors closed they're like so sorry everyone here it's

00:32:09.580 like the crimson party or whatever that that famous short story is called what short story am i thinking

00:32:14.460 of i don't know actually it was about the bulanic plague anyway so the the people will be saying in 0.94

00:32:20.860 the comments oh you idiots how could you not know this famous work anyway so i also love that where 0.83

00:32:25.660 they were able to get like really offensive stuff from us was from screen grabbing our title cards 0.98

00:32:32.380 because we always use like clickbaity title card things that aren't what we actually talk about in

00:32:38.060 the episode so one that was only a few episodes old was the episode where the title card said protecting

00:32:44.220 education was jewish technology which was it showed like flames in the background so i think they 0.91

00:32:49.820 they just didn't watch the episode and assumed it was anti-semitic or something yeah the whole

00:32:54.700 episode about how yeshivas are a good education system and we should borrow from them to better

00:32:59.820 protect our own education systems but i love like we have anti-semitic fan like like some people who

00:33:07.100 watch this are anti-semitic right and they got they got all mad at that they're like why you know the

00:33:12.220 jews are the people who started all of this destruction was in our academic system and it's like okay first 1.00

00:33:17.580 of all that's not true but like even if you take this perspective then why would you not be paying

00:33:22.780 careful attention to how the jews are differentially doing education and do it that way because apparently 0.97

00:33:28.540 they're the architects around all of this so why not borrow that cultural technology that they have

00:33:34.380 purportedly been using in their master plot for years it's an incredibly pro-jewish episode anybody who 0.99

00:33:39.500 actually watches our episodes know that there's actually a greater claim to be made that we are

00:33:44.060 offensively philio-semitic and and zionist because i am an absolute zionist i believe

00:33:49.500 very strongly in the state of israel's right to exist i'm sorry what i should say is the is the right

00:33:55.420 of the jewish people to reclaim their ancestral lands from colonizers and then to defend the ancestral

00:34:05.260 tribal land that they reclaimed from the colonizing groups that by the way destroyed their monuments and

00:34:11.820 create it's so funny that like unironically the same progressive will be like look at mount rushmore

00:34:18.460 how disgusting that they would chisel this in the in the wall you know their their national pride of

00:34:25.420 the presidents and the wall of this historic like spiritually important mountain to this tribe tribal

00:34:31.180 group and then they like look at the dome of the rock on top of the old temple and they're like yes

00:34:36.300 this is right and good and the jewish people should not be able to to rebuild this even though they 1.00

00:34:41.100 control the land they should be getting no props for not rebuilding this actually i might want to do

00:34:45.740 a tweet on that particular subject because that is actually a horrific thing that like people don't

00:34:51.980 think about so what are some of the other title called here oh yes gay islam and birth rates we're

00:34:58.060 very pro-islam in that episode that's the episode where we talk started off and being like a lot of

00:35:01.500 muslims have a really good head on this but like not all muslims are pro-gay especially the ones who are in 0.98

00:35:08.540 hamas do the like gaze for gaza people not understand that like everybody who supported 1.00

00:35:14.380 them in the region has already been killed like and that's another thing that i think they don't

00:35:18.940 like a lot of progressives don't get is that hamas when they're like what about the innocent people 0.94

00:35:22.700 there and it's like yeah hamas went around killing them like that already happened there's not that many

00:35:30.060 left but anyway what i mean is you can look at the polls around like support of hamas and more of

00:35:35.340 october 7th supportive you know abuse of the hostages among the general population and the

00:35:40.620 numbers are just like crazy high well i think in terms of these days larger takeaways is that

00:35:47.180 hold on we got to do the last one here okay which was the title card for should women be allowed to own 1.00

00:35:52.300 money women with money don't have kids and this one of course they chose to post that and not the one 1.00

00:35:58.380 of tried wives or a progressive conspiracy yeah but i i love that they did post that one because

00:36:04.380 they didn't they didn't quote me in it where i'm like well it does turn out that if we did remove if

00:36:09.100 women had less money they'd probably have more kids but they don't put the but that doesn't mean 1.00

00:36:13.180 that we should give them less money line you know immediately after that but okay simone you 0.67

00:36:18.060 wanted to wrap this up i think the the bigger point is that this is not a problem for us because of a

00:36:25.580 a couple things and i think this is just i think a good proof point for other general advice that we

00:36:31.660 give to a lot of people that i think a lot of people want to discount one being that you should

00:36:36.860 have very clear virtues but also very clear vices people should know what's wrong with you and you

00:36:42.780 should be very open about what's wrong with you because it's going to come out eventually we're

00:36:48.300 horrible elitists i mean we've always yeah that we're elitists and that we yeah primarily that we're

00:36:54.220 elitists and we believe in genes and are very open about that and that we're weird that we're

00:36:58.860 like openly weird that would come out of this for me if i was somebody watching us or interested in

00:37:04.140 potentially donating to the prenatalist cause or getting more involved in the prenatalist cause or

00:37:09.020 saying oh let's see if i can platform them on a more mainstream platform this to me i see as sort of

00:37:15.900 like our public test people got to see in the most extreme conditions what are we going to say like

00:37:25.100 is there going to be a moment because this was a huge thing for the tea party where it turned out

00:37:29.420 at one point that a lot of the people who were in leadership positions in the tea party they got

00:37:33.340 alone was reporters and they started going like hog wild racist conspiracy anti-semitic is one day

00:37:39.580 something like that going to come out on us and i think that this was a pretty good test that no

00:37:45.180 that's not going to happen and i think that this is a very interesting thing when we did the episode

00:37:50.380 that was contrasting the new right movement i.e all these tech quote-unquote elites that are moving into

00:37:55.660 the right-wing media space are they going to explode in the same way the tea party did and i think one of

00:38:01.660 the core things that led to the explosion and dissolution of the tea party as well as the first base

00:38:07.020 platform that supported trump is that these people were just not as not they they were actually under

00:38:15.020 the table like super racist super anti-semitic super and and them being exposed for that was always just

00:38:22.140 a matter of time this is the second you're going to tolerate that and this is this yeah but this is

00:38:27.340 the second point that i want to make which is that a lot of people i know are really big on protecting

00:38:33.260 their privacy and they don't want people to know their views publicly and the thing is that can come

00:38:39.580 out and we were targeted without our knowledge by an undercover journalist but it's not a problem

00:38:45.900 with us because we didn't say anything to him that honestly we would not have said to a journalist

00:38:49.820 who just told us they were a journalist from the beginning we really didn't and that's why this is not

00:38:55.100 bad for us and i would just encourage people to maybe rethink their strategy about oh i have to be

00:39:02.220 super private and super you know because one it's very stressful and the people i know who are really

00:39:08.620 big on maintaining their privacy or not having certain opinions of theirs be aired publicly seem

00:39:14.780 very stressed very uptight and like just i feel like their lifespan is going to be shorter they have

00:39:21.260 more gray hairs it's just really stressed it's like it's like trying to keep a lie and they're not

00:39:25.260 lying obviously they're just trying to protect a private part of their lives but to me it just

00:39:30.140 seems to have a really high cost but then i would also just argue that things like this can happen to

00:39:35.900 you we're not the only people who are affected in this whole thing and there may be people who are

00:39:40.940 hurt a lot more than this because they've chosen to take very private i think that the people who are

00:39:46.700 getting hurt by this or that will be hurt by this are people who we have privately had arguments with

00:39:53.740 saying you need to back off from this hbd stuff you need to back off from this hbd stuff it's gonna

00:39:58.380 blow up in your face and they're like you guys just you know engage with everything engage with

00:40:03.900 everything they're they're manateeing it which is a joke from south park where you take one idea ball

00:40:08.300 out of the tank and the manatees can't do anything family guy is written by manatees

00:40:13.660 of course it all makes sense now you see the right side of the tank is filled with idea balls

00:40:19.020 there's millions of them the manatees choose an idea ball and swim it over to the joke combine

00:40:23.740 on the other side of the tank pull just one idea ball out of the idea tank and the manatees stop

00:40:28.860 working here i'll show you keith

00:40:37.180 all right all right put it back in

00:40:38.220 and i'm like look we're in an existential fight for the species when it comes to fertility rates 0.96

00:40:45.660 or dysgenics you don't approve well too bad we're in this for the species boys and girls and it's just

00:40:53.740 not worth engaging in certain topics right now and there there will be consequences if you continue to

00:41:01.100 go down this pathway and everybody was like no no no i've already publicly stood for this i'm not going

00:41:07.100 to go back on this i'm not going to you know and i'm like well you really should but i think i don't

00:41:12.860 know if i agree with you simone you think some people should stay private some people have to

00:41:17.900 stay private by the nature of their work so i understand that but if you don't then yeah i also

00:41:23.420 don't know if i agree with you in saying that people need clear devices the wood we the way we would

00:41:30.220 around any sort of a friend or something like that we choose our words very carefully so the person

00:41:37.500 that we are talking to often will know the intent of what we are trying to say

00:41:42.300 while not actually saying anything that's particularly offensive well maybe you have

00:41:48.060 the sophistication to do that i just say the same thing in front of everyone but i guess that gets us in

00:41:52.780 trouble like that time when a journalist was like hey can you like explain what your critics say of

00:41:58.860 you in their words and i'm like oh yes they say this interrupting you and i was like why are you

00:42:03.980 doing this idea ever i love you malcolm and i'm glad this wasn't bad did you see the email i forwarded

00:42:13.420 you of the the van the voter services van oh yeah it's so sketchy is it so obvious that they're like

00:42:21.900 it's so obvious sorry what she's talking about is in our district now now they have a giant van

00:42:25.980 that goes around and what does it do it keeps the boat and ultra secures it it registers people to

00:42:30.700 vote it can accept provisional ballots i think it accepts mail-in ballots as well and you can register

00:42:37.020 to vote through mail like for mail-in ballots so yeah they're basically just going going around getting

00:42:43.980 they're not even trying anymore like anyone oh my god if you want to uh share this article i have

00:42:48.780 attached an archive link to it so you don't give them traffic to support more of their efforts and

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