We Were Right! Two Men Kissing & a Bowl of Maggots (Disgust & Sexuality)
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In this episode, we discuss a recent study from the University of Wisconsin-Madison, which suggests that the disgust response to seeing two gay men kiss is not because of social conditioning, but rather because of a brain enzyme called salivary amylase.
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Hello, Simone! Today we are going to be talking about a study that came out recently titled
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What Do Two Men Kissing and a Bucket of Maggots Have in Common?
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Heterosexual men's indistinguishable salivary amylase response to photos of two men kissing
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and disgusting images. This is going to be one of those days where we're going to go a lot into
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disgust, sexuality, and point out that yet again, I called it, I called it. Everybody said that I was
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wrong. Everybody said my ideas were crazy. Now everyone agrees with all of my genius.
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I think that Donald Trump, for some of his press conferences, has like an I Was Right hat.
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Yes, this is my I Was Right hat. And I think you need to put on your I Was Right hat. Yeah,
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we need one too. We're going to win so much, you may even get tired of winning. And you'll say,
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please, please, it's too much winning. We can't take it anymore.
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I know. Am I ever going to get credit for being so effing right all the time?
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No, no. Is there ever going to be like the scientists? I love it that like with AIs,
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they literally coined the same term I coined, which was utility convergence. And they're like,
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so we found this weird thing in AIs where we get utility convergence and nobody predicted this in
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the space. And I'm like, I predicted it like literally 10 years ago. What are you talking
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about? I wrote many papers and things on this. And this is something that in our, you know,
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we talk a lot about human sexuality. I'd predicted this. And you're going to be shocked. You're going
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to be shocked by this, but it says a lot about one, arousal and disgust work.
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One of the big lies that progressives tell everyone about.
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So to read part of the abstract here, participants in the current study viewed six different
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slideshows depicting same-sex PDA, that's public displays of affection or kissing, mixed-sex PDA,
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everyday items, and disgusting images. This is like bowls full of maggots. Okay.
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While providing saliva samples in the lab, a series of paired sampled T-tests were performed
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and found that SAA, this is saliva amylase, which is produced by disgust responses, like neurologically,
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it triggers the release of this enzyme. Responses to images of same-sex men kissing
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and universally disgusting images were significantly greater than SAA responses to a slideshow depicting
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Hold on, hold on. It gets better. It gets better.
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The results held across the full sample, regardless of individual's individual level of prejudice,
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specifically prejudice against gay individuals, the results of the current study suggest that all
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individuals, not just highly sexually prejudiced individuals, experience psychological responses
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indicative of stress when witnessing male same-sex couple kissing.
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The possibility of socialized disgust response to same-sex PDA is discussed.
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Basically, let me lay this out for people who didn't catch what this means. It means that
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the disgust reaction that we have, we being most straight males have, when watching two
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gay men kiss, which is a strong reaction. I've talked about it myself. And I could get blowback
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from this. Like, I had a gay roommate all through high school, okay? Because I went to a boarding
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school in college. My best friends were gay. I had not met gay people all the time. I am not
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like an anti-gay person. I have an extreme discrimination to seeing men kissing men. Extreme
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disgust reaction. And what this is showing is that your acceptance of this is not tied to your
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disgust reaction. This has multiplicative downstream implications. The first being is that one, this
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disgust reaction is not socialized. This is not because of your religiosity or anything like
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this is something that you are born with. It makes it much more likely that gay individuals,
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and I've noted this in the pragmatist side of sexuality, because I think one of the core
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mysteries of human sexuality is why male gayness does not appear like females. It appears like an
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exact inversion of male straightness. Yeah. It's not like, yeah. So they're not,
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they're not sexual like a woman. They are, they are gay. They're gay like a man. Yeah.
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Yes. So, so what I mean by this is men, your average straight man has an aversion, a disgust
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response at the idea of man kissing men. Like that grosses them out. Yeah. And they have an arousal
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response to the idea of, you know, them kissing a woman. Sometimes they actually have a disgust
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response to seeing other men kiss women. We'll get into that later. But the point being,
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but they'll always have an arousal response to a woman kissing a woman. Basically more guys in a
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situation, typically the worse it is for your average straight male. Now, now this isn't always
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true, but this is the direction you gave me is coming. Women do not have this response. Women is
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actually fairly rare for a woman to have a disgust response to seeing two women kiss.
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Yeah. I mean, welcome to the world of, of Yowie. That's right.
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Right. You know, women who are consuming that, but you, you, you mean two men kisses Yowie.
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I'm saying women are not turned off by men. Men are not turned off by seeing two women kiss.
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Oh yeah. No, no, no, no, no. The point I'm making is women are not turned off by seeing two women
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kiss. They do not have this same disgust response. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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People of their gender kiss. Which you also call because women don't really orient. This is
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something that is, so if you haven't checked this out, read the pragmatist guide to sexuality
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in it, Malcolm posits that not only is sexuality oriented on an arousal to disgust spectrum, but
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also that men's or sexuality is more oriented around primary and secondary sexual characteristics,
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like boobs and like things, things signaling. That has very little to do with what we're talking
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about right now. Well, but, but I'm just summarizing really quickly and that women are not actually
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that attached to gender or sex. It's more about power dynamics. Yeah. It's more about dominance
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or submission and the dominance. So they wouldn't, it doesn't really matter to them if it's like
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women on women, men on women, women on men, like any measure. It's more tied to arousal than males.
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So, so that one of the big mysteries of human sexuality is men, when they're born gay, do not
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appear to have the standard arousal pathway of a woman, which is, which honestly makes more sense
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because that, I don't know. It just seems weird to me. It doesn't, it doesn't make more sense. It's
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really, they appear to have an exact inversion and you can see this when you survey gay men,
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gay men actually not as frequently as straight men, but fairly often have the disgust reaction
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to females. They have a disgust reaction to vaginas. Yeah. They have a disgust reaction
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to breasts. A lot of people have a disgust reaction. A lot of people, but, but, but I'm
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pointing out that they have disgust reactions to females. Why are they getting an inversion of a
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disgust reaction instead of the disgust reaction of the other gender? Like it almost makes sense to
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me. I could be like, no, it doesn't, it doesn't mean this, this, the way things are makes more sense to
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me because if you develop as a male, you're developing like all of the mechanics of the
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sort of male sexual orientation. It just happens to be that there's a sign flip somewhere that
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seems more, more simple to me and more likely than somehow you having like become exempt from all of
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the other elements of male sexuality. Right. Well, this provides evidence for this showing that
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the disgust reaction in males is biological or like inbuilt straight males. Yeah. So this is
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much more proof of you are born gay. Yes. It also, it also adds evidence to the, you are born gay or
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straight idea. If a male is having an active, and this is why I've said this in, in males who may not
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have this response or males who may be gay don't understand why can't you just power through it?
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The response my body has to males kissing is the response my body has to a bucket of maggots.
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Like, why don't you just stick your dick into a bucket of magnet maggots? You can learn to like it.
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Yeah. What's important from our series. So people know this is we argue that anything that has a
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disgust reaction and it happens more frequently in males and females can have a slang flip and accidentally
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become due to something during our biological development become an arousal pathway. So there
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is actually an entire fetish category called creepy crawlers tied to stuff like buckets and maggots
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being like poured on you and stuff like that. And we point out in the book that you do not see
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sign flips tied to any other response. You don't see sign flips tied to fire. You don't see sign flips
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tied to height, anything else that has a strongly charged emotional response. You don't see a sign flip
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with an arousal response unless that response is disgust like dead bodies, infants, you know,
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all of the things that would cause disgust in a normal person. You're going to get some small
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portion of the population. And we also argue that the sign flip, the volume stays the same. So if you
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have a really high disgust towards something, normally the volume of arousal to that thing is
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going to be really high if you get a sign flip. But this also has implications for like progressive
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culture more broadly. So one, it adds evidence to the theories that we have that this is inbuilt
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and progressives were just lying when they're like, I don't get disgusted by this. But
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it also shows that when progressives, and I thought maybe progressives have like maybe somehow
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trained themselves because like, I've been like, you can't get rid of arousal patterns. Maybe you
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can't get rid of disgust. I know you can't get rid of disgust patterns either. If they're working on the
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same circuitry, but with a sign flip, that would mean that when progressives are like, well, being
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thinking fat women are disgusting looking, which by the way, that's the reason there's a portion of
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men who are into fat women, because generally fat women create a disgust response. And anything that
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creates a disgust response, a small portion of the population is going to find arousal. But anyway,
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so women who are obese and create this, there is like this thing that's like, oh, well, you've only
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been socialized to feel that way. You don't actually, like that's a cultural thing. And we see here,
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no, it's not a cultural thing. Now here I note, and we talk about this in the book, is people will say,
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oh, well, aren't there cultures like random island cultures or wherever, where like obesity in woman
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is seen as an arousing thing? No, there are not. That is a complete fiction. Let me explain.
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There were cultures where it was reported that people chose wives who were more obese historically,
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but in every single instance, when they've gone back and measured those cultures after they became
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wealthy, that has disappeared and inverted. So what we were seeing there was just obesity being a
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indicator of wealth that was not correlated to the other parts of arousal. And so men were basically
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like, I'm choosing this woman because she's wealthier. There did not appear to be. And this
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is also, we've argued in other videos that arousal likely is correlated to like, I'd say ethnic and
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cultural groups in a way. So it's not even like, it wouldn't even go against our theory that in some
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weird culture on some weird Island, they had developed an arousal pathway that had evolved.
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Right. And I'm like, okay, okay, that makes sense. But it appears that this is such a strong signal
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that no one, no culture has ever evolved a genuine sign flip on this at like a, like a, a mainstream
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I also imagine that a lot of these historical cultures that had interest in rotund women
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were just not emaciated women at this time. And they were seen as fat because, you know, wow,
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you can afford a few excess calories. And that meant that they were slightly more rounded than the
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average woman. So, I mean, I just don't, I don't think the level of overfeeding that we see today
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is as common though. I also think that the, the sign flip issue that has, has led to fat
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enthusiasts today would have led to some of the past. And it could be that there were some
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Oh, they're the famous fat enthusiast artists who a lot of people use to argue that like,
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Rubens, Rubens. Yeah. And it's very clear he had a fetish. Like the women who he chooses,
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they're the same one who fat fetishes choose.
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I'm just Google imaging. Paul, Peter, Paul Rubens. And I'm looking at these images.
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Not by modern standards, but his contemporaries talked about him as if he was a fetishist and
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famous people can be fetishists. One of the things I always point out is.
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What was the famous Irish writer who liked women farting on him?
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You see these in the past. That doesn't mean that they were normal. They were still very
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obviously minority arousal patterns. And we're not arguing that these minority arousal patterns
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are modern. I do find the issue, and we talked about this in another video, and it's something
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But what is it? What is it? We sort of debated on this. I assume that attraction to younger
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phenotypes is clustered in Japanese groups. Like, that seems likely to me. There's some
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other ones. You talked about, like, attraction to, like, navels and armpits being clustered
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Yeah, yeah. There's got to be a little bit of this going on, you know? It'd be weird if
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Well, yeah. It would be weird if there wasn't. It would also be weird. So keep in mind where
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we talk about, like, where dominance and submission gets pulled into this is what we assume is
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dominance and submission cause arousal because it was just a system that the brain used for
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dominance and submission displays that humans do. Dominance and submission displays are used
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very frequently in animal species to signal social status. Not animal species. Mammals, social
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mammals specifically. So think of a dog, like, showing it's ready to be mounted as a way of
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saying, I'm submissive. And we know that this isn't a female-male thing because in species
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where females are the dominant gender, like spotted hyenas, they actually develop something
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called a pseudopenis, which they can use an erection with to show when they're submissive. So in the same way,
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sometimes male animals will sort of prepare to be mounted as a way of showing submission to another
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male animal or female animal, even in, in cases in species where females are the dominant erections
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are the way that you show submission, which I just find absolutely fascinating. Okay. So,
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so here's what Grok says on this. Okay. Research suggests that fetishes may have heredible components
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with genetic factors contributing to about half of the variation in paraphilic interests. Okay.
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Rude fetishes. The evidence leads towards a genetic influence, but environmental factors
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also play a significant role and more research is needed for specific fetishes. Well, most of your
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research indicated that environmental factors were not influential. Am I forgetting something?
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Well, they might mean influential in terms of like changing outcomes, not influential in like a,
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I saw this, therefore I developed X fetish. Like I'm sure a lot fewer people are gay when
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that means that you get thrown off a building, for example, that's an environmental factor.
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No, but I mean, they're still gay. They're still like in the population.
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Yeah, but maybe that's what Grok is talking about though. Studies on related sexual behaviors,
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like PDA files show heredibility estimates at 49%. That's not surprising.
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No one would want to choose to have this arousal pathway.
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I'm sure if you could get any of these people who have that arousal pathway,
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the chance to undo it, they would undo it so fast.
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Fetishes are specific sexual purposes, blah, blah, blah. Studies on paraphilias,
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which encompass fetishes indicate a genetic component. For instance, a 2015 study in the
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Journal of Medicine found the heredibility of sexual interest in youth was 49%, suggesting a
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significant role. A broader meta-analysis from Nature Genetics in 2015 reported the average
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heredibility of 49% across many human traits, supporting the idea that sexual preferences
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might also be partially heredible. While direct studies on fetishes are limited,
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the evidence for paraphilias suggests that fetishes likely have a heredible component,
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though environmental factors like upbringing are also crucial. Disagree on that.
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Actually, in our studies on this, they were so shocking to us because I thought that at least
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being abused pre-puberty would have an effect on people's adult arousal patterns. In our data,
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basically nothing that happened to you, even sexual abuse, affected your adult arousal
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patterns significantly. They may suppress them a little bit, but that was it. Most of what affected
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your arousal patterns happened after or around puberty.
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Yeah, I think over the long term, in terms of another you were right thing, I think we're going
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to find that the heredibility is higher than that 40% range presented.
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Yeah, here's an interesting thing. An interesting finding is that in twin studies, which impair
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identical in fraternal twins, show higher similarities of paraphilias interests among identical twins
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pointing to a genetic link, even though most research focuses on broader sexual orientation than
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specific fetishes. Well, I mean, this then would make fetishes less distant from the
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gay thing than people would say historically, because if you don't have a choice in what your fetishes
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are, especially if you're born with them, meaning, well, no, if you're born with them,
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then you can't say that being gay is any different from any other fetish.
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Oh, oh, I see your point. So people like why do we have to be so accommodating of the gays,
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but we're not accommodating to foot fetishes, right? We're not accommodating to any other fetish
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category. I think the bigger issue is that most one, the gay is gay, being gay is, I think,
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a very different kind of scenario because it typically involves a disgust reaction to a very,
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very common social institution that until very recently was kind of a default setting for people.
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And being forced into that is really hard. It's not like foot fetishists were, you know,
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also simultaneously disgusted by hands and forced to do, you know, manicures every single day, right?
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So I think it's just, it's sort of a different level and it has to do with major society.
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I just agree. I think there's a lot of fetishes that there is a real normalization around shaming
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people for, for having, even if they don't hurt anyone else. And that's really unfair. If when
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you consider the people say, well, for example, I am find people like pathetic and gross who have
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like, I don't know, like a, a, a maggot's fetish. Remember I talked about like the creepy crawlies
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fetish or like being farted on fetish, like James A. Joyce. That's, that's who I think it was.
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I find that like creepy, weird and pathetic. And I can mock somebody for that in public.
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And, and somebody would say, well, it's okay because this causes the disgust response in most people.
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And then I would counter back. I'd be like, yeah, but so does two men kissing. So why does that get
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carved out as different than this getting carved out as different? I, I, again, I'm not, you know,
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I, I don't know how I feel across the board on this. I'm largely for people being like, look,
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if you have an unusual arousal pattern, I also wonder if communities like, okay, consider something
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like this Mormons. And we talked about this almost certainly in another episode, like the Mormon
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sharing partner thing, almost certainly have different arousal patterns than other populations
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due to their history of one, how they recruited people and two polyamory.
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And it's suspected that they likely have a lower disgust response to seeing their partners
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kiss other people because wives that had this response didn't have as many offspring likely.
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And that is why you see more Mormon partner sharing sort of thing.
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Where it's like, well, we share when we do everything, but like the penetration or something,
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and therefore it's okay. So here's what I asked it next.
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I asked it for ethnically tied fetishes. Cause I was like, is there any evidence?
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Oh, it's saying it can't find it, but it is saying that BDSM seems more common in Western countries,
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BDSM strikes me as so white and also so German. Yeah.
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And then you have the, the famous British vice, you know,
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which is a BDSM related thing being, being submissive.
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Very interesting. I love what Grok says, regional observation studies,
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like Ayla's survey suggests that BDSM, I love to just like name.
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I mean, it was big on, big on X. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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All right. Hold on. I'm gonna see if I can find any other here.
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Evidence from cross-cultural studies research. For instance, a study from PMC on ethnic differences in
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sexual attitudes among us college students found that Asians reported more conservative sexual
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attitudes compared to Euro-Americans and Hispanics, but did not address fetishes.
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Similarly, a study from HRAF on sexuality noted that societies vary widely in their tolerance of
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non-reproductive sex, but did not provide data on fetishes. A notable exception was Ayla's 2022
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survey, which analyzed fetish preference by region, including North America, Western Europe,
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et cetera. The survey with 10,000 responses from some regions found that BDSM and age play were
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more popular in North America and Western Europe, while foot fetishes showed relative consistent
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prevalence across regions. However, this data is based on self-reported surveys, blah, blah, blah.
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All, pretty much all sexual data is. I love when it like dismisses Ayla studies. I'm like,
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where do you think all this other data is coming from?
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Yeah, come on. She has amazing sample sizes. Her selection bias is quite low because she sources
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outside of just people who follow her. She uses positively to get really good representative
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audiences. Ayla does not get the credit she deserves. Someday.
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Oh, oh, this is interesting. BDSM and company in bondage, discipline, everyone does that. Okay.
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By the Bell's 2024 report of over 12,700 individuals found 86% of Americans had either
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tried BDSM or expressed interest. Well, I mean, yeah, after 50 Shades of Grey taking off so much,
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can you be so surprised? Well, yeah, I mean, 50 Shades of Grey, I think, showed that was in
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Europe and America. This is a normal arousal pattern. They may not be getting it, but they want it.
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We've had other videos on this where I, like, really get annoyed by the scary stuff on this.
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And some things are driving this whenever somebody's like,
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men want to abuse us. And I'm like, you can look at the data.
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Men actually don't because it's a lot of work.
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They actually don't. Well, so it's not that no men do. Actually, men do get aroused by hurting women,
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subjugating women, dominating women, but they do not get aroused by it as frequently as women get aroused by it.
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Yeah. And the primary driver of demand for this, I think is, is, is men. I'm sorry, is women. Women
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are the ones who are like, I want to see material like this. It shows, it shows up all the time in
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romance novels. These like power dynamics, these quasi abusive relationships, these questionable
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behaviors. Like not, and not even in a, you know, what we would call like modern BDSM context in which
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the sub is ultimately the one with all the power rules. So yeah, women actually don't even want
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that. They're like, no, no, don't, don't do that. That's really fascinating. Well, I wonder,
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like, I'd love for Ayla to do more on this to find out, like, because we've gone over the chart
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before from her that shows when paraphilias or fetishes age of onset is. So that would be
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really interesting. I would guess that the age of onset of paraphilias likely correlates with
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how arousing they are. Actually, let's look up Ayla's age of onset of paraphilias chart.
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Gaps between trans and cis fetish onset. Oh, this is interesting. Here's a list of difference in years
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between. Okay. Okay. That's age of onset. Okay. So if we're looking across here, which fetishes have
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earlier age of onset tattoos, body mods, skinniness, et cetera, very young age of onset, 13.1 body parts,
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normal non non genitals. So this is like knees, armpits, head, hair, et cetera. Okay. But then
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other ones that have a very early age of onset are things like brutality and violence. This has an age
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of onset of 14.2. So that's really interesting. It's incest has an early age of onset 14.4. I can see
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that being hereditary because you do see it occurring more within certain subcultures.
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And then some have very, I don't know. Interestingly, the latest age of onset is
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reproduction, pregnancy, surrogacy, oviposition, et cetera. 16.9 is when that starts.
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That's interesting. There does seem to be a bigger ick reaction among adolescents to anything
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child related. So maybe that is connected. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. I'm looking at these
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here and this doesn't ring true for me that age of onset is connected to how hereditary it is,
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but maybe, I mean, it will make sense that incest arousal patterns in communities that relied on
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incest for reproduction would appear at a young age because those communities would likely also begin
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engaging in sexuality at a younger age. But like reproduction almost certainly has some,
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like the people who get turned on by that, some correlation to genetics. I'd be pretty surprised if it
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didn't. And I'd also be pretty surprised if things like humiliation didn't, given, and that's one of
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the later ones. It's at 15.6. I'd also note that the-
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No, no, no. Humiliation just seems to me to be like one manifestation of interest in power dynamics,
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Anyway, very, very interesting statistics there.
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You must be so satisfied to be validated in your research.
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Yeah, it's really cool that I make predictions years before they begin to become validated by
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the field and then the field begins to validate them. And one day, somebody will come out there
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and be like, I discovered that arousal and disgust are actually using the same fundamental system.
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And this is how, and I'd be like, Malcolm came up with all of this years ago.
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But it also shows that when progressives pretend to not be disgusted by something,
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when progressives pretend to not be like icked by something, it is just that. They are pretending.
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This is not real. They are actually even the most tolerant person. And I actually think that this is
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a bad thing because what it leads people to believe is, I'm accepting of this population,
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yet I still feel gross when I see them do this. Therefore, there must be something wrong with this
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population. I mean, that's what disgust evolved in us to instigate, right? Disgust at a person
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with leprosy or something who's falling apart. It was about personal safety. And then there's
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this big problem with your bodies and poo and everything like that. Yeah. But then there's
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also the problem of people intuitively, though it's not always correct, associating disgust with poor
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morality. And I think, I mean, you see this more with spoken versus unspoken progressive
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behaviors around race. Where like, they're like, oh, you know, like other races that are not white
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are really, really important. We have to protect them. And yet they don't hire them. They don't
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work with them. They don't live with them. And then, you know, on the other hand, like conservatives
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don't have anything to say. And yet they hire them, they work with them, they live with them.
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By the way, to get an idea of how bad this is, there was a recent study done on DEI positions.
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And only 3.8% of DEI positions are held by Africans, African-Americans. This is hilarious.
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That's well less than their percentage in the population. And it just shows that this is like
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a white woman thing. The entire field of this progressive urban monoculture is white women.
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I love the white women for Harris thing. So good. That was such a moment.
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Yeah. It turned out that they were the only ones who supported Harris. The Hispanics were not super
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excited. Blacks voted for her less than Biden. Keep on. Blacks voted for her. They did not like
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Harris. Well, there was that famous black journalist meeting during the election when Trump spoke with
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them, you know, was willing to speak with what he expected to be a fairly antagonistic audience.
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Yeah. And he's like, oh yeah, you know, yeah. Now, now Kamala's black when it's convenient for her.
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And the progressive mainstream media rolled that quote out again and again to be, to act as though
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this was an outrageous thing. But you actually hear chuckles from the audience. Yeah.
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It's not dead silence. They're kind of like, I mean, very interesting.
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I completely agree. And I think that was really interesting. So do you have any other discuss,
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anything change for you on learning that the progressive men who say they're not experiencing
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it are most likely lying? You know, it just reminds me of how my progressive upbringing was,
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where there were a lot of things that secretly disgust me. And I had to pretend that I was okay
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with them. And that was really, you know, it was really tough. And it honestly led to poorer mental
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health because I felt there was a variety of things that I wished I could do something about.
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Like, I really, you know, don't, I don't want to do this. I don't want to go here. But if I,
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if I avoid going here, or if I don't do this thing, it will involve an admission,
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even if it's an unspoken admission, that I have a problem with this thing.
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And therefore I'm not like, my values aren't right. You know, I need to, I need to
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like correct myself. And it caused a lot of stress and a lot of cognitive dissonance. And
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after meeting you and after sort of getting permission to feel what I felt,
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I just felt so much relief. And I, and we, we just did another episode on
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health and progressives being poor. And I do think that's a part of it is, is maybe part of the reason
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why progressive mental health is worse is that there's more, more of them are forced to lie to
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themselves in a way that causes cognitive dissonance and distress. And it prevents them from addressing
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problems that would be fairly easy to address. Absolutely. Yeah. Anyway, what am I eating for
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dinner tonight? Tonight is taquitos. Thank you. Great taquitos. Are you going to put some cheese in?
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Obviously. Make it extra sharp. What cheese do we have?
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I don't know if we have extra sharp cheese. You can use the cheese I bought at the store.
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Yeah, actually. So you didn't realize this, I guess, but you had an open one of those already.
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I wouldn't use some of that. You think it'd be okay. It's a hard cheese,
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isn't it? I mean, maybe it melts. I don't know how it melts. Do you know what melts?
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It melts. It does? Okay. I just, I haven't worked with that kind of cheese before. I will finally
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grate it using a lemon zester. And even if it doesn't melt, it doesn't need to be grated.
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Like I can bite into cheese. But it's taquitos. If you can't roll them,
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you know, it's like a sharp shard of cheese breaks a delicate corn tortilla.
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Whatever you want. How dare you? Oh no, this has to be done right.
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We can't use American cheese though. So we will find a way.
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Love you to death. I love you too. Thanks for, thanks for being a shot caller.
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It's one of the things we respect most in this world. And I love it about you.
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I'm kidding. Speaking of ozone, by the way, I was just listening to this Andrew Huberman
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podcast episode in which he speaks with a dentist, like a dental specialist. And she uses ozone
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in her dental treatments, which is really interesting. Like when she's putting sealants
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on teeth, she'll use ozone to make sure that there's no like bacterial growth or something.
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Really? She's like that good at killing bacteria?
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It's antiviral. It's antibacterial. It's antrifungal. So it's the best. So the reason why
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people don't use ozone gas more in their homes to remove odors and kill bacteria and bugs and other
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things is one, if you've house plants, they're gone. Two, it can through prolonged exposure
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cause degradation of wires, rubber, and some fabrics. So it's, it's not something you want
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to use every day, every week. You know, it's maybe once a year in a room, once every six months.
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But you, you had a, a bed bug scare because of a hotel we were at, um, lights that looked like
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bed bug bites. And then you just ozoned everything after that. Nuked it, nuked it, nuked it. Yes.
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And I'm so glad we got, we got, we bought ourselves an ozone machine on Amazon during the pandemic at
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the behest of one of our friends who thought that it would be really effective and kind of never used
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it. And I'm so glad we had it. I'm so, and also our rooms really smell fresh now. So it's great.