Based Camp - We Were Right! Two Men Kissing & a Bowl of Maggots (Disgust & Sexuality)

00:00:00.460 Hello, Simone! Today we are going to be talking about a study that came out recently titled

00:00:07.020 What Do Two Men Kissing and a Bucket of Maggots Have in Common?

00:00:12.220 Heterosexual men's indistinguishable salivary amylase response to photos of two men kissing 0.99

00:00:19.580 and disgusting images. This is going to be one of those days where we're going to go a lot into

00:00:24.560 disgust, sexuality, and point out that yet again, I called it, I called it. Everybody said that I was

00:00:35.900 wrong. Everybody said my ideas were crazy. Now everyone agrees with all of my genius.

00:00:43.300 I think that Donald Trump, for some of his press conferences, has like an I Was Right hat.

00:00:48.360 Yes, this is my I Was Right hat. And I think you need to put on your I Was Right hat. Yeah,

00:00:51.780 we need one too. We're going to win so much, you may even get tired of winning. And you'll say,

00:00:57.820 please, please, it's too much winning. We can't take it anymore.

00:01:02.820 I know. Am I ever going to get credit for being so effing right all the time?

00:01:07.560 No, no. Is there ever going to be like the scientists? I love it that like with AIs,

00:01:13.060 they literally coined the same term I coined, which was utility convergence. And they're like,

00:01:19.080 so we found this weird thing in AIs where we get utility convergence and nobody predicted this in

00:01:23.900 the space. And I'm like, I predicted it like literally 10 years ago. What are you talking

00:01:28.960 about? I wrote many papers and things on this. And this is something that in our, you know,

00:01:34.420 we talk a lot about human sexuality. I'd predicted this. And you're going to be shocked. You're going

00:01:38.820 to be shocked by this, but it says a lot about one, arousal and disgust work.

00:01:46.640 One of the big lies that progressives tell everyone about.

00:01:50.500 So to read part of the abstract here, participants in the current study viewed six different

00:01:57.640 slideshows depicting same-sex PDA, that's public displays of affection or kissing, mixed-sex PDA,

00:02:05.040 everyday items, and disgusting images. This is like bowls full of maggots. Okay. 1.00

00:02:10.980 While providing saliva samples in the lab, a series of paired sampled T-tests were performed

00:02:17.680 and found that SAA, this is saliva amylase, which is produced by disgust responses, like neurologically,

00:02:26.280 it triggers the release of this enzyme. Responses to images of same-sex men kissing

00:02:32.780 and universally disgusting images were significantly greater than SAA responses to a slideshow depicting

00:02:40.400 everyday items. So basically-

00:02:42.600 Who so called it?

00:02:43.280 Hold on, hold on. It gets better. It gets better.

00:02:45.200 The results held across the full sample, regardless of individual's individual level of prejudice,

00:02:51.840 specifically prejudice against gay individuals, the results of the current study suggest that all

00:02:56.320 individuals, not just highly sexually prejudiced individuals, experience psychological responses

00:03:03.020 indicative of stress when witnessing male same-sex couple kissing.

00:03:07.880 No, wait. Did they also try this on gay men?

00:03:11.260 Not in this study.

00:03:12.120 No.

00:03:13.320 The possibility of socialized disgust response to same-sex PDA is discussed.

00:03:17.740 Basically, let me lay this out for people who didn't catch what this means. It means that

00:03:24.540 the disgust reaction that we have, we being most straight males have, when watching two

00:03:32.400 gay men kiss, which is a strong reaction. I've talked about it myself. And I could get blowback

00:03:36.820 from this. Like, I had a gay roommate all through high school, okay? Because I went to a boarding

00:03:40.480 school in college. My best friends were gay. I had not met gay people all the time. I am not 1.00

00:03:44.880 like an anti-gay person. I have an extreme discrimination to seeing men kissing men. Extreme

00:03:52.980 disgust reaction. And what this is showing is that your acceptance of this is not tied to your

00:04:00.640 disgust reaction. This has multiplicative downstream implications. The first being is that one, this

00:04:10.260 disgust reaction is not socialized. This is not because of your religiosity or anything like

00:04:14.740 this is something that you are born with. It makes it much more likely that gay individuals, 0.99

00:04:23.520 and I've noted this in the pragmatist side of sexuality, because I think one of the core

00:04:27.000 mysteries of human sexuality is why male gayness does not appear like females. It appears like an 0.99

00:04:35.620 exact inversion of male straightness. Yeah. It's not like, yeah. So they're not,

00:04:40.780 they're not sexual like a woman. They are, they are gay. They're gay like a man. Yeah. 0.99

00:04:46.900 Yes. So, so what I mean by this is men, your average straight man has an aversion, a disgust

00:04:54.340 response at the idea of man kissing men. Like that grosses them out. Yeah. And they have an arousal 1.00

00:05:01.520 response to the idea of, you know, them kissing a woman. Sometimes they actually have a disgust

00:05:07.260 response to seeing other men kiss women. We'll get into that later. But the point being,

00:05:11.280 but they'll always have an arousal response to a woman kissing a woman. Basically more guys in a

00:05:15.680 situation, typically the worse it is for your average straight male. Now, now this isn't always

00:05:21.680 true, but this is the direction you gave me is coming. Women do not have this response. Women is 1.00

00:05:27.360 actually fairly rare for a woman to have a disgust response to seeing two women kiss. 1.00

00:05:33.980 Yeah. I mean, welcome to the world of, of Yowie. That's right. 1.00

00:05:38.960 Right. You know, women who are consuming that, but you, you, you mean two men kisses Yowie. 1.00

00:05:45.800 I'm saying women are not turned off by men. Men are not turned off by seeing two women kiss.

00:05:52.120 Oh yeah. No, no, no, no, no. The point I'm making is women are not turned off by seeing two women 0.97

00:05:56.560 kiss. They do not have this same disgust response. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:05:59.940 People of their gender kiss. Which you also call because women don't really orient. This is 1.00

00:06:04.640 something that is, so if you haven't checked this out, read the pragmatist guide to sexuality

00:06:09.240 in it, Malcolm posits that not only is sexuality oriented on an arousal to disgust spectrum, but

00:06:17.580 also that men's or sexuality is more oriented around primary and secondary sexual characteristics,

00:06:23.160 like boobs and like things, things signaling. That has very little to do with what we're talking

00:06:28.040 about right now. Well, but, but I'm just summarizing really quickly and that women are not actually 1.00

00:06:32.520 that attached to gender or sex. It's more about power dynamics. Yeah. It's more about dominance

00:06:39.100 or submission and the dominance. So they wouldn't, it doesn't really matter to them if it's like

00:06:42.680 women on women, men on women, women on men, like any measure. It's more tied to arousal than males.

00:06:48.500 So, so that one of the big mysteries of human sexuality is men, when they're born gay, do not 0.99

00:06:55.620 appear to have the standard arousal pathway of a woman, which is, which honestly makes more sense 0.97

00:07:01.480 because that, I don't know. It just seems weird to me. It doesn't, it doesn't make more sense. It's

00:07:05.140 really, they appear to have an exact inversion and you can see this when you survey gay men, 1.00

00:07:11.120 gay men actually not as frequently as straight men, but fairly often have the disgust reaction 1.00

00:07:17.620 to females. They have a disgust reaction to vaginas. Yeah. They have a disgust reaction 1.00

00:07:22.720 to breasts. A lot of people have a disgust reaction. A lot of people, but, but, but I'm 0.98

00:07:26.540 pointing out that they have disgust reactions to females. Why are they getting an inversion of a

00:07:33.320 disgust reaction instead of the disgust reaction of the other gender? Like it almost makes sense to 1.00

00:07:38.460 me. I could be like, no, it doesn't, it doesn't mean this, this, the way things are makes more sense to

00:07:42.800 me because if you develop as a male, you're developing like all of the mechanics of the

00:07:49.260 sort of male sexual orientation. It just happens to be that there's a sign flip somewhere that

00:07:53.320 seems more, more simple to me and more likely than somehow you having like become exempt from all of

00:08:01.100 the other elements of male sexuality. Right. Well, this provides evidence for this showing that

00:08:06.840 the disgust reaction in males is biological or like inbuilt straight males. Yeah. So this is

00:08:14.520 much more proof of you are born gay. Yes. It also, it also adds evidence to the, you are born gay or 1.00

00:08:21.720 straight idea. If a male is having an active, and this is why I've said this in, in males who may not

00:08:27.320 have this response or males who may be gay don't understand why can't you just power through it? 0.98

00:08:32.360 The response my body has to males kissing is the response my body has to a bucket of maggots. 1.00

00:08:42.300 Like, why don't you just stick your dick into a bucket of magnet maggots? You can learn to like it. 1.00

00:08:47.340 Yeah. What's important from our series. So people know this is we argue that anything that has a

00:08:52.240 disgust reaction and it happens more frequently in males and females can have a slang flip and accidentally

00:08:57.860 become due to something during our biological development become an arousal pathway. So there

00:09:03.900 is actually an entire fetish category called creepy crawlers tied to stuff like buckets and maggots

00:09:09.480 being like poured on you and stuff like that. And we point out in the book that you do not see

00:09:15.640 sign flips tied to any other response. You don't see sign flips tied to fire. You don't see sign flips

00:09:21.340 tied to height, anything else that has a strongly charged emotional response. You don't see a sign flip

00:09:25.820 with an arousal response unless that response is disgust like dead bodies, infants, you know,

00:09:31.860 all of the things that would cause disgust in a normal person. You're going to get some small

00:09:34.720 portion of the population. And we also argue that the sign flip, the volume stays the same. So if you

00:09:39.880 have a really high disgust towards something, normally the volume of arousal to that thing is

00:09:44.460 going to be really high if you get a sign flip. But this also has implications for like progressive

00:09:50.400 culture more broadly. So one, it adds evidence to the theories that we have that this is inbuilt

00:09:55.660 and progressives were just lying when they're like, I don't get disgusted by this. But

00:09:59.700 it also shows that when progressives, and I thought maybe progressives have like maybe somehow

00:10:06.080 trained themselves because like, I've been like, you can't get rid of arousal patterns. Maybe you

00:10:09.880 can't get rid of disgust. I know you can't get rid of disgust patterns either. If they're working on the

00:10:13.160 same circuitry, but with a sign flip, that would mean that when progressives are like, well, being 0.97

00:10:17.780 thinking fat women are disgusting looking, which by the way, that's the reason there's a portion of 1.00

00:10:22.040 men who are into fat women, because generally fat women create a disgust response. And anything that 0.99

00:10:26.400 creates a disgust response, a small portion of the population is going to find arousal. But anyway,

00:10:30.080 so women who are obese and create this, there is like this thing that's like, oh, well, you've only 1.00

00:10:35.100 been socialized to feel that way. You don't actually, like that's a cultural thing. And we see here,

00:10:41.480 no, it's not a cultural thing. Now here I note, and we talk about this in the book, is people will say,

00:10:46.520 oh, well, aren't there cultures like random island cultures or wherever, where like obesity in woman 1.00

00:10:52.220 is seen as an arousing thing? No, there are not. That is a complete fiction. Let me explain.

00:10:58.800 There were cultures where it was reported that people chose wives who were more obese historically,

00:11:07.360 but in every single instance, when they've gone back and measured those cultures after they became

00:11:12.640 wealthy, that has disappeared and inverted. So what we were seeing there was just obesity being a

00:11:20.600 indicator of wealth that was not correlated to the other parts of arousal. And so men were basically

00:11:27.160 like, I'm choosing this woman because she's wealthier. There did not appear to be. And this

00:11:32.680 is also, we've argued in other videos that arousal likely is correlated to like, I'd say ethnic and

00:11:39.880 cultural groups in a way. So it's not even like, it wouldn't even go against our theory that in some

00:11:44.080 weird culture on some weird Island, they had developed an arousal pathway that had evolved.

00:11:50.340 Right. And I'm like, okay, okay, that makes sense. But it appears that this is such a strong signal

00:11:56.040 that no one, no culture has ever evolved a genuine sign flip on this at like a, like a, a mainstream

00:12:03.100 level, which is really fascinating.

00:12:05.060 I also imagine that a lot of these historical cultures that had interest in rotund women 0.98

00:12:11.080 were just not emaciated women at this time. And they were seen as fat because, you know, wow, 0.97

00:12:17.980 you can afford a few excess calories. And that meant that they were slightly more rounded than the

00:12:22.740 average woman. So, I mean, I just don't, I don't think the level of overfeeding that we see today

00:12:28.380 is as common though. I also think that the, the sign flip issue that has, has led to fat

00:12:34.180 enthusiasts today would have led to some of the past. And it could be that there were some

00:12:38.200 fat enthusiasts in the past who were also.

00:12:41.380 Oh, they're the famous fat enthusiast artists who a lot of people use to argue that like,

00:12:45.460 I wouldn't say it's, it starts with an R.

00:12:48.740 Rubens, isn't it?

00:12:49.340 Rubens, Rubens. Yeah. And it's very clear he had a fetish. Like the women who he chooses,

00:12:53.080 they're the same one who fat fetishes choose. 0.96

00:12:54.700 I'm just Google imaging. Paul, Peter, Paul Rubens. And I'm looking at these images.

00:12:59.720 Are they chubsters? Not by modern standards.

00:13:03.680 Not by modern standards, but his contemporaries talked about him as if he was a fetishist and

00:13:07.060 famous people can be fetishists. One of the things I always point out is.

00:13:10.380 Well, if he was a chubby chaser. 0.94

00:13:12.560 What was the famous Irish writer who liked women farting on him? 0.98

00:13:15.640 Oh, yes. 0.99

00:13:16.860 I like your cute little tootsies or whatever.

00:13:19.300 Yeah, the letters that he wrote to his lover.

00:13:21.180 Just so.

00:13:21.480 What was his name again?

00:13:22.500 This was.

00:13:23.000 We're so bad with names.

00:13:24.280 You see these in the past. That doesn't mean that they were normal. They were still very

00:13:31.760 obviously minority arousal patterns. And we're not arguing that these minority arousal patterns

00:13:37.600 are modern. I do find the issue, and we talked about this in another video, and it's something

00:13:41.860 that, like, you know what? I should ask Brock.

00:13:45.520 But what is it? What is it? We sort of debated on this. I assume that attraction to younger

00:13:50.660 phenotypes is clustered in Japanese groups. Like, that seems likely to me. There's some

00:13:57.620 other ones. You talked about, like, attraction to, like, navels and armpits being clustered

00:14:01.940 in Indian groups.

00:14:02.840 Yeah, yeah. There's got to be a little bit of this going on, you know? It'd be weird if

00:14:07.980 there wasn't.

00:14:08.520 Well, yeah. It would be weird if there wasn't. It would also be weird. So keep in mind where

00:14:13.880 we talk about, like, where dominance and submission gets pulled into this is what we assume is

00:14:19.360 dominance and submission cause arousal because it was just a system that the brain used for 0.73

00:14:23.640 dominance and submission displays that humans do. Dominance and submission displays are used

00:14:28.940 very frequently in animal species to signal social status. Not animal species. Mammals, social

00:14:34.200 mammals specifically. So think of a dog, like, showing it's ready to be mounted as a way of

00:14:39.560 saying, I'm submissive. And we know that this isn't a female-male thing because in species

00:14:45.040 where females are the dominant gender, like spotted hyenas, they actually develop something 0.53

00:14:49.560 called a pseudopenis, which they can use an erection with to show when they're submissive. So in the same way, 0.60

00:14:55.800 sometimes male animals will sort of prepare to be mounted as a way of showing submission to another

00:15:01.320 male animal or female animal, even in, in cases in species where females are the dominant erections 0.54

00:15:07.160 are the way that you show submission, which I just find absolutely fascinating. Okay. So,

00:15:12.280 so here's what Grok says on this. Okay. Research suggests that fetishes may have heredible components

00:15:16.840 with genetic factors contributing to about half of the variation in paraphilic interests. Okay.

00:15:22.040 Rude fetishes. The evidence leads towards a genetic influence, but environmental factors

00:15:27.320 also play a significant role and more research is needed for specific fetishes. Well, most of your

00:15:33.000 research indicated that environmental factors were not influential. Am I forgetting something?

00:15:38.760 Well, they might mean influential in terms of like changing outcomes, not influential in like a,

00:15:44.920 I saw this, therefore I developed X fetish. Like I'm sure a lot fewer people are gay when 0.71

00:15:49.240 that means that you get thrown off a building, for example, that's an environmental factor. 0.94

00:15:54.200 No, but I mean, they're still gay. They're still like in the population. 0.99

00:15:56.760 Yeah, but maybe that's what Grok is talking about though. Studies on related sexual behaviors,

00:16:00.920 like PDA files show heredibility estimates at 49%. That's not surprising.

00:16:06.840 No one would want to choose to have this arousal pathway.

00:16:11.720 Yeah, that's true.

00:16:12.760 I'm sure if you could get any of these people who have that arousal pathway,

00:16:16.120 the chance to undo it, they would undo it so fast.

00:16:19.480 Fetishes are specific sexual purposes, blah, blah, blah. Studies on paraphilias,

00:16:23.000 which encompass fetishes indicate a genetic component. For instance, a 2015 study in the

00:16:27.320 Journal of Medicine found the heredibility of sexual interest in youth was 49%, suggesting a

00:16:34.440 significant role. A broader meta-analysis from Nature Genetics in 2015 reported the average

00:16:40.040 heredibility of 49% across many human traits, supporting the idea that sexual preferences

00:16:45.320 might also be partially heredible. While direct studies on fetishes are limited,

00:16:50.200 the evidence for paraphilias suggests that fetishes likely have a heredible component,

00:16:55.080 though environmental factors like upbringing are also crucial. Disagree on that.

00:16:59.720 Actually, in our studies on this, they were so shocking to us because I thought that at least

00:17:05.400 being abused pre-puberty would have an effect on people's adult arousal patterns. In our data,

00:17:11.560 basically nothing that happened to you, even sexual abuse, affected your adult arousal

00:17:16.760 patterns significantly. They may suppress them a little bit, but that was it. Most of what affected

00:17:21.000 your arousal patterns happened after or around puberty.

00:17:23.880 Yeah, I think over the long term, in terms of another you were right thing, I think we're going

00:17:28.440 to find that the heredibility is higher than that 40% range presented.

00:17:33.640 Yeah, here's an interesting thing. An interesting finding is that in twin studies, which impair

00:17:37.400 identical in fraternal twins, show higher similarities of paraphilias interests among identical twins

00:17:41.880 pointing to a genetic link, even though most research focuses on broader sexual orientation than

00:17:45.880 specific fetishes. Well, I mean, this then would make fetishes less distant from the

00:17:54.280 gay thing than people would say historically, because if you don't have a choice in what your fetishes

00:17:58.760 are, especially if you're born with them, meaning, well, no, if you're born with them, 0.68

00:18:04.680 then you can't say that being gay is any different from any other fetish. 0.97

00:18:08.280 Oh, oh, I see your point. So people like why do we have to be so accommodating of the gays, 0.84

00:18:15.720 but we're not accommodating to foot fetishes, right? We're not accommodating to any other fetish 0.92

00:18:21.080 category. I think the bigger issue is that most one, the gay is gay, being gay is, I think, 0.96

00:18:29.800 a very different kind of scenario because it typically involves a disgust reaction to a very,

00:18:37.400 very common social institution that until very recently was kind of a default setting for people.

00:18:44.440 And being forced into that is really hard. It's not like foot fetishists were, you know,

00:18:49.880 also simultaneously disgusted by hands and forced to do, you know, manicures every single day, right?

00:18:56.200 So I think it's just, it's sort of a different level and it has to do with major society.

00:18:59.720 I just agree. I think there's a lot of fetishes that there is a real normalization around shaming

00:19:04.680 people for, for having, even if they don't hurt anyone else. And that's really unfair. If when

00:19:12.360 you consider the people say, well, for example, I am find people like pathetic and gross who have 0.99

00:19:21.000 like, I don't know, like a, a, a maggot's fetish. Remember I talked about like the creepy crawlies 0.98

00:19:25.400 fetish or like being farted on fetish, like James A. Joyce. That's, that's who I think it was.

00:19:29.240 James Joyce. I think you're right. Yeah.

00:19:31.320 I find that like creepy, weird and pathetic. And I can mock somebody for that in public. 0.98

00:19:35.400 And, and somebody would say, well, it's okay because this causes the disgust response in most people.

00:19:39.640 And then I would counter back. I'd be like, yeah, but so does two men kissing. So why does that get

00:19:45.320 carved out as different than this getting carved out as different? I, I, again, I'm not, you know,

00:19:51.960 I, I don't know how I feel across the board on this. I'm largely for people being like, look,

00:19:55.880 if you have an unusual arousal pattern, I also wonder if communities like, okay, consider something

00:20:01.640 like this Mormons. And we talked about this almost certainly in another episode, like the Mormon

00:20:07.240 sharing partner thing, almost certainly have different arousal patterns than other populations

00:20:11.320 due to their history of one, how they recruited people and two polyamory.

00:20:16.200 And it's suspected that they likely have a lower disgust response to seeing their partners

00:20:21.880 kiss other people because wives that had this response didn't have as many offspring likely. 1.00

00:20:26.920 And that is why you see more Mormon partner sharing sort of thing.

00:20:31.480 Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

00:20:33.720 Where it's like, well, we share when we do everything, but like the penetration or something,

00:20:37.320 and therefore it's okay. So here's what I asked it next.

00:20:40.040 I asked it for ethnically tied fetishes. Cause I was like, is there any evidence?

00:20:44.120 Oh, it's saying it can't find it, but it is saying that BDSM seems more common in Western countries,

00:20:50.040 such as Germany and the Netherlands.

00:20:51.400 BDSM strikes me as so white and also so German. Yeah.

00:20:54.920 It's so German.

00:20:56.120 It's extremely German.

00:20:57.880 And then you have the, the famous British vice, you know,

00:21:00.840 which is a BDSM related thing being, being submissive.

00:21:03.720 More like school teacher spankings. 1.00

00:21:05.720 Very interesting. I love what Grok says, regional observation studies,

00:21:11.880 like Ayla's survey suggests that BDSM, I love to just like name. 1.00

00:21:15.480 I mean, it was big on, big on X. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:21:20.840 All right. Hold on. I'm gonna see if I can find any other here.

00:21:24.520 Evidence from cross-cultural studies research. For instance, a study from PMC on ethnic differences in

00:21:30.200 sexual attitudes among us college students found that Asians reported more conservative sexual

00:21:34.280 attitudes compared to Euro-Americans and Hispanics, but did not address fetishes.

00:21:38.600 Similarly, a study from HRAF on sexuality noted that societies vary widely in their tolerance of

00:21:45.080 non-reproductive sex, but did not provide data on fetishes. A notable exception was Ayla's 2022

00:21:50.600 survey, which analyzed fetish preference by region, including North America, Western Europe,

00:21:54.600 et cetera. The survey with 10,000 responses from some regions found that BDSM and age play were

00:22:01.000 more popular in North America and Western Europe, while foot fetishes showed relative consistent

00:22:05.480 prevalence across regions. However, this data is based on self-reported surveys, blah, blah, blah.

00:22:11.560 All, pretty much all sexual data is. I love when it like dismisses Ayla studies. I'm like,

00:22:15.000 where do you think all this other data is coming from?

00:22:16.840 Yeah, come on. She has amazing sample sizes. Her selection bias is quite low because she sources 1.00

00:22:22.520 outside of just people who follow her. She uses positively to get really good representative

00:22:27.560 audiences. Ayla does not get the credit she deserves. Someday.

00:22:36.040 Oh, oh, this is interesting. BDSM and company in bondage, discipline, everyone does that. Okay.

00:22:40.920 By the Bell's 2024 report of over 12,700 individuals found 86% of Americans had either

00:22:49.000 tried BDSM or expressed interest. Well, I mean, yeah, after 50 Shades of Grey taking off so much,

00:22:55.080 can you be so surprised? Well, yeah, I mean, 50 Shades of Grey, I think, showed that was in

00:22:59.720 Europe and America. This is a normal arousal pattern. They may not be getting it, but they want it.

00:23:04.440 We've had other videos on this where I, like, really get annoyed by the scary stuff on this.

00:23:09.080 And some things are driving this whenever somebody's like,

00:23:12.440 men want to abuse us. And I'm like, you can look at the data.

00:23:15.400 Men actually don't because it's a lot of work. 0.98

00:23:17.080 They actually don't. Well, so it's not that no men do. Actually, men do get aroused by hurting women,

00:23:23.640 subjugating women, dominating women, but they do not get aroused by it as frequently as women get aroused by it.

00:23:30.120 Yeah. And the primary driver of demand for this, I think is, is, is men. I'm sorry, is women. Women 0.80

00:23:38.120 are the ones who are like, I want to see material like this. It shows, it shows up all the time in

00:23:43.400 romance novels. These like power dynamics, these quasi abusive relationships, these questionable

00:23:50.280 behaviors. Like not, and not even in a, you know, what we would call like modern BDSM context in which

00:23:57.240 the sub is ultimately the one with all the power rules. So yeah, women actually don't even want 1.00

00:24:03.480 that. They're like, no, no, don't, don't do that. That's really fascinating. Well, I wonder,

00:24:12.360 like, I'd love for Ayla to do more on this to find out, like, because we've gone over the chart

00:24:16.520 before from her that shows when paraphilias or fetishes age of onset is. So that would be

00:24:23.080 really interesting. I would guess that the age of onset of paraphilias likely correlates with

00:24:29.400 how arousing they are. Actually, let's look up Ayla's age of onset of paraphilias chart.

00:24:34.040 Gaps between trans and cis fetish onset. Oh, this is interesting. Here's a list of difference in years

00:24:38.680 between. Okay. Okay. That's age of onset. Okay. So if we're looking across here, which fetishes have 0.75

00:24:45.480 earlier age of onset tattoos, body mods, skinniness, et cetera, very young age of onset, 13.1 body parts,

00:24:53.000 normal non non genitals. So this is like knees, armpits, head, hair, et cetera. Okay. But then 0.95

00:24:58.600 other ones that have a very early age of onset are things like brutality and violence. This has an age

00:25:04.120 of onset of 14.2. So that's really interesting. It's incest has an early age of onset 14.4. I can see

00:25:12.520 that being hereditary because you do see it occurring more within certain subcultures.

00:25:16.920 And then some have very, I don't know. Interestingly, the latest age of onset is

00:25:23.160 reproduction, pregnancy, surrogacy, oviposition, et cetera. 16.9 is when that starts.

00:25:29.720 That's interesting. There does seem to be a bigger ick reaction among adolescents to anything

00:25:34.120 child related. So maybe that is connected. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. I'm looking at these

00:25:39.800 here and this doesn't ring true for me that age of onset is connected to how hereditary it is,

00:25:45.240 but maybe, I mean, it will make sense that incest arousal patterns in communities that relied on

00:25:52.280 incest for reproduction would appear at a young age because those communities would likely also begin

00:25:56.920 engaging in sexuality at a younger age. But like reproduction almost certainly has some,

00:26:02.840 like the people who get turned on by that, some correlation to genetics. I'd be pretty surprised if it

00:26:08.200 didn't. And I'd also be pretty surprised if things like humiliation didn't, given, and that's one of

00:26:13.240 the later ones. It's at 15.6. I'd also note that the-

00:26:16.440 No, no, no. Humiliation just seems to me to be like one manifestation of interest in power dynamics,

00:26:20.760 which is extremely pervasive.

00:26:24.680 Anyway, very, very interesting statistics there.

00:26:27.560 You must be so satisfied to be validated in your research.

00:26:34.040 Yeah, it's really cool that I make predictions years before they begin to become validated by

00:26:39.640 the field and then the field begins to validate them. And one day, somebody will come out there

00:26:43.480 and be like, I discovered that arousal and disgust are actually using the same fundamental system.

00:26:48.440 And this is how, and I'd be like, Malcolm came up with all of this years ago.

00:26:53.160 But it also shows that when progressives pretend to not be disgusted by something,

00:26:57.080 when progressives pretend to not be like icked by something, it is just that. They are pretending.

00:27:03.480 This is not real. They are actually even the most tolerant person. And I actually think that this is

00:27:10.200 a bad thing because what it leads people to believe is, I'm accepting of this population,

00:27:18.040 yet I still feel gross when I see them do this. Therefore, there must be something wrong with this

00:27:21.400 population. I mean, that's what disgust evolved in us to instigate, right? Disgust at a person

00:27:28.120 with leprosy or something who's falling apart. It was about personal safety. And then there's

00:27:31.960 this big problem with your bodies and poo and everything like that. Yeah. But then there's

00:27:37.160 also the problem of people intuitively, though it's not always correct, associating disgust with poor

00:27:42.280 morality. And I think, I mean, you see this more with spoken versus unspoken progressive

00:27:49.640 behaviors around race. Where like, they're like, oh, you know, like other races that are not white 0.99

00:27:54.920 are really, really important. We have to protect them. And yet they don't hire them. They don't

00:27:58.600 work with them. They don't live with them. And then, you know, on the other hand, like conservatives

00:28:03.000 don't have anything to say. And yet they hire them, they work with them, they live with them.

00:28:06.760 By the way, to get an idea of how bad this is, there was a recent study done on DEI positions.

00:28:13.000 And only 3.8% of DEI positions are held by Africans, African-Americans. This is hilarious. 1.00

00:28:20.760 That's well less than their percentage in the population. And it just shows that this is like

00:28:24.360 a white woman thing. The entire field of this progressive urban monoculture is white women. 1.00

00:28:29.400 I love the white women for Harris thing. So good. That was such a moment. 0.55

00:28:34.760 Yeah. It turned out that they were the only ones who supported Harris. The Hispanics were not super 0.86

00:28:40.760 excited. Blacks voted for her less than Biden. Keep on. Blacks voted for her. They did not like 0.97

00:28:46.440 Harris. Well, there was that famous black journalist meeting during the election when Trump spoke with

00:28:52.840 them, you know, was willing to speak with what he expected to be a fairly antagonistic audience.

00:28:59.320 Yeah. And he's like, oh yeah, you know, yeah. Now, now Kamala's black when it's convenient for her. 1.00

00:29:05.960 And the progressive mainstream media rolled that quote out again and again to be, to act as though

00:29:15.720 this was an outrageous thing. But you actually hear chuckles from the audience. Yeah.

00:29:20.680 It's not dead silence. They're kind of like, I mean, very interesting.

00:29:28.200 I completely agree. And I think that was really interesting. So do you have any other discuss,

00:29:33.960 anything change for you on learning that the progressive men who say they're not experiencing

00:29:39.320 it are most likely lying? You know, it just reminds me of how my progressive upbringing was,

00:29:48.520 where there were a lot of things that secretly disgust me. And I had to pretend that I was okay

00:29:53.000 with them. And that was really, you know, it was really tough. And it honestly led to poorer mental

00:29:58.280 health because I felt there was a variety of things that I wished I could do something about.

00:30:04.040 Like, I really, you know, don't, I don't want to do this. I don't want to go here. But if I,

00:30:09.080 if I avoid going here, or if I don't do this thing, it will involve an admission,

00:30:14.440 even if it's an unspoken admission, that I have a problem with this thing.

00:30:19.240 And therefore I'm not like, my values aren't right. You know, I need to, I need to

00:30:24.200 like correct myself. And it caused a lot of stress and a lot of cognitive dissonance. And

00:30:29.800 after meeting you and after sort of getting permission to feel what I felt,

00:30:35.080 I just felt so much relief. And I, and we, we just did another episode on

00:30:39.080 health and progressives being poor. And I do think that's a part of it is, is maybe part of the reason

00:30:43.560 why progressive mental health is worse is that there's more, more of them are forced to lie to

00:30:49.800 themselves in a way that causes cognitive dissonance and distress. And it prevents them from addressing

00:30:55.800 problems that would be fairly easy to address. Absolutely. Yeah. Anyway, what am I eating for

00:31:01.560 dinner tonight? Tonight is taquitos. Thank you. Great taquitos. Are you going to put some cheese in?

00:31:07.560 Obviously. Make it extra sharp. What cheese do we have?

00:31:14.920 I don't know if we have extra sharp cheese. You can use the cheese I bought at the store.

00:31:20.280 Yeah, actually. So you didn't realize this, I guess, but you had an open one of those already.

00:31:24.920 I wouldn't use some of that. You think it'd be okay. It's a hard cheese,

00:31:28.280 isn't it? I mean, maybe it melts. I don't know how it melts. Do you know what melts?

00:31:31.960 It melts. It does? Okay. I just, I haven't worked with that kind of cheese before. I will finally

00:31:36.360 grate it using a lemon zester. And even if it doesn't melt, it doesn't need to be grated.

00:31:41.160 Like I can bite into cheese. But it's taquitos. If you can't roll them,

00:31:46.040 you know, it's like a sharp shard of cheese breaks a delicate corn tortilla.

00:31:51.480 Whatever you want. How dare you? Oh no, this has to be done right.

00:31:57.960 We can't use American cheese though. So we will find a way.

00:32:05.080 We will find a way.

00:32:09.160 What a sweet baby. She's very sweet.

00:32:12.600 Love you to death. I love you too. Thanks for, thanks for being a shot caller.

00:32:18.120 It's one of the things we respect most in this world. And I love it about you.

00:32:20.920 I'm kidding. Speaking of ozone, by the way, I was just listening to this Andrew Huberman

00:32:25.640 podcast episode in which he speaks with a dentist, like a dental specialist. And she uses ozone

00:32:33.480 in her dental treatments, which is really interesting. Like when she's putting sealants

00:32:36.520 on teeth, she'll use ozone to make sure that there's no like bacterial growth or something. 0.99

00:32:40.840 Really? She's like that good at killing bacteria? 1.00

00:32:43.400 It's antiviral. It's antibacterial. It's antrifungal. So it's the best. So the reason why

00:32:49.720 people don't use ozone gas more in their homes to remove odors and kill bacteria and bugs and other

00:32:56.760 things is one, if you've house plants, they're gone. Two, it can through prolonged exposure

00:33:02.600 cause degradation of wires, rubber, and some fabrics. So it's, it's not something you want

00:33:07.720 to use every day, every week. You know, it's maybe once a year in a room, once every six months.

00:33:13.240 But you, you had a, a bed bug scare because of a hotel we were at, um, lights that looked like

00:33:18.840 bed bug bites. And then you just ozoned everything after that. Nuked it, nuked it, nuked it. Yes.

00:33:25.160 And I'm so glad we got, we got, we bought ourselves an ozone machine on Amazon during the pandemic at

00:33:29.640 the behest of one of our friends who thought that it would be really effective and kind of never used

00:33:33.880 it. And I'm so glad we had it. I'm so, and also our rooms really smell fresh now. So it's great.

Based Camp - March 27, 2025

We Were Right! Two Men Kissing & a Bowl of Maggots (Disgust & Sexuality)

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