Based Camp - What Do Ultra-Wealthy Apocalypse Bunkers Have To Do With Tunnel Jews？

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. You sent me an interesting tweet by our friend Diana Fleishman, friend of the show,

00:00:05.120 done a few episodes with us. What was it on? Talk a bit to this.

00:00:09.160 Bunkers. So essentially she posted a Twitter poll recently asking her followers if they received 0.99

00:00:15.100 $3 million, would they put some of it toward building a bunker, you know, for like end times

00:00:21.680 or whatever? And the vast majority of responses was no, they would not. The average person is

00:00:27.780 not thinking about this, but I have noticed that on the side of very wealthy people and also some of

00:00:35.760 our friends who are not necessarily like insanely wealthy, but they move in those circles are totally

00:00:41.980 thinking about this and totally want the bunkers and totally have their getaway plans. And then

00:00:47.200 there are some like articles coming out about fairly prominent people either attempting to or planning to

00:00:54.100 build their cool, scary times bunker. So apparently Peter Thiel had plans to build a bunker in New

00:01:03.840 Zealand. I think it might've been rejected. I don't know what the current status is, but

00:01:07.100 Sam Altman had at some point, he's the CEO of OpenAI, said something about like, you know,

00:01:13.840 kind of being in on that. And like, you know, his plan was to go to that bunker, to Thiel's bunker,

00:01:19.100 if things went bad. You know, Simone, I don't know if you know this. We have two different bunker

00:01:23.040 invites. We do? Yeah. Yeah. I'm not going to go into who they are or anything.

00:01:29.840 Well, I wish it were from Mark Zuckerberg because he certainly has the coolest bunker. I just want

00:01:36.980 to read a description from Wired Magazine because it is so fun. Would you like to know more?

00:01:43.700 According to plans viewed by Wired and a source familiar with the development,

00:01:47.280 the partially completed compound consists of more than a dozen buildings with at least 30 bedrooms

00:01:52.200 and 30 bathrooms in total. And it's centered around two mansions with a total of four area

00:01:57.620 comparable. Oh, sorry. With a total floor area comparable to a professional football field,

00:02:02.940 57,000 square feet, which contain multiple elevators, offices, conference rooms, and an

00:02:08.880 industrial sized kitchen. In a nearby wooded area, a web of 11 disc shaped tree houses are planned,

00:02:15.820 which will be connected by intricate rope bridges, allowing visitors to cross from one

00:02:21.000 building to the next while staying among the treetops. A building on the other side of the main

00:02:25.780 mansions will include a full-size gym, pool, sauna, hot tub, cold plunge, and tennis court.

00:02:31.420 The property is dotted with other guest houses and operations buildings. The scale of the project

00:02:35.900 suggests that it will be more of a personal vacation home. Zuckerberg has already hosted two

00:02:40.120 corporate events at the compound. And the plans show that the two central mansions will be joined

00:02:45.800 by a tunnel that branches off into a 5,000 square foot underground bunker. So not all of this is

00:02:52.240 underground, like a lot of it's sort of above ground, which many of these planned things appear

00:02:57.120 to be. They're not all like these super underground nuclear fallout bunkers. And many of the compound's

00:03:03.400 doors are planned to be keypad operated or soundproofed. Others, like those in the library,

00:03:08.960 are described as blind doors made to imitate the design of their surrounding walls. The door in

00:03:15.940 the underground shelter will be constructed out of metal and filled with concrete, still common in

00:03:20.540 bunkers and bomb shelters. So what I love about what Zuckerberg is building at the very least is that

00:03:27.020 like he's clearly making a mixed use place. Like I love, I hate the idea of building a bunker that 1.00

00:03:33.000 you're just not going to use. And I love that he's like, you know what, if I'm building a bunker,

00:03:36.680 I'm going to make it like the coolest vacation house as well. You know, kill two birds with one

00:03:41.560 stone, even if the end times don't come, at least I get to like, you know, have some fun,

00:03:47.700 some good parties, good vacations in Hawaii. I absolutely love this as well. And so something

00:03:55.520 that you had mentioned is, is not a lot of people are doing this. That has not been my read at all.

00:04:00.960 I would say within the billionaire circles, almost every single one of them that we know of.

00:04:06.100 All the billionaires are doing it.

00:04:07.760 And, and within our wider friend group, like if I think of our friends who work in BC and stuff like

00:04:12.400 that, I'd say 80% of them have some sort of bunker system or off the grid plan. And if they're

00:04:19.480 conservative, I'd say 99% of them do. Which is interesting. And so the question is like,

00:04:27.760 what did they know that you don't know? And I actually think that the answer is going to be

00:04:33.120 a little bit of a bummer to people. And it comes from, hold on a second, to actually address something

00:04:39.880 that some people were talking about, because they want to use the resident JOO's comments

00:04:44.440 on the situation in Manhattan, where the tunnel Jews, where it was found that they had dug these,

00:04:52.100 the teen boys had dug these tunnels or like built out these tunnels underneath one of the,

00:04:56.900 I think it was synagogues or something like that. And, and they're like, oh, look, it's proof. 1.00

00:05:01.840 And they had like creepy old, like beds in them and stuff like that. And they, oh, they went by like

00:05:06.900 the girls, basically the girls dorm.

00:05:09.900 No, a woman's bathhouse, a woman's ritual bathhouse. 1.00

00:05:13.540 Yeah. Okay. Basically the girls dorm.

00:05:16.460 I'm sorry. The funny thing is, it's people like, they look at this and they're like, oh,

00:05:20.480 this is a sign of something nefarious going on. And I'm like, actually, this is more of a sign of

00:05:25.640 like, you're out of touchness with traditional masculinity. No, it's true. Like, like a

00:05:32.600 traditional boy childhood. I had forts in the woods. I had, and when I was in the city,

00:05:38.680 there was like at various places, I always had some sort of like fort in a derelict building or

00:05:42.900 something like that. There was a derelict building by ours that we would go like explore. And we had

00:05:46.900 like little areas that we knew about. And of course you take the little like doll heads and stuff like

00:05:53.260 that. And all of the creepy things. Well, one of the ones near us was an old hospital and there

00:05:58.200 was a children's wing of the hospital. You know, where you had all the decaying toys and all of

00:06:02.720 the, it looked extra creepy, but of course that's the home base when you're setting up and making it,

00:06:09.020 you know, look that way. And of course, anyone, he grew up in the movie era of like the seventies,

00:06:14.220 every single male coming of age movie had a, you know, them drilling a hole in the side of the, 0.85

00:06:20.940 the wall on the girls dorm. Like, is it gross? Yes. Is it something that they should have been

00:06:33.960 doing? No. Is it normal male youth behavior and like not the sign of like child, like whatever

00:06:43.140 smuggling? No, it's not like that is the insane conclusion to draw from that. You see people like,

00:06:48.940 oh, like the, these, these disgusting child-sized mattresses, who's been forced to sleep on them.

00:06:53.580 And it's like, dude, their little sister probably like aged out of it. And they were like, oh yeah,

00:06:58.420 mom, dad, I'll go dispose of it. And they're like, oh, finally we have something soft to sit on down

00:07:02.400 here. You know, this is the desire of young men to build little forts in hidden areas. And then of

00:07:08.900 course, because it was a religious extremist, you know, community like these, they probably associated

00:07:14.160 it with some form of like religious purpose as well. Yeah, sure. Because everything's through

00:07:17.680 that filter. You know, and if it wasn't that, it would have been like Marvel movies or something,

00:07:21.400 right? Like whatever. Right, right. Well, I mean, when you're young, you know, you do that sort of

00:07:25.020 stuff. I mean, if you don't have a religious tradition, I don't know, it's like a Wiccan spot 0.99

00:07:28.980 or something like that. Exactly. Exactly. You know, oh, I'm doing these little like special magic

00:07:34.240 things that like other people don't have access to. It is normal kid stuff. It was the kids who did

00:07:39.620 this. It wasn't like older people in the community. It was like a group of young men. So yeah,

00:07:44.920 whatever. Right. Like I, but I think that that's sort of what we're seeing here. Okay. Is I think

00:07:51.060 you have an instinct within some populations to build little fortifications. And I think that this

00:07:57.400 instinct, you know, it comes from an episode that we were going to do, which is the frontier people's

00:08:01.600 instinct to crave apocalypses. I think when you're talking about the general population, you know,

00:08:08.300 you ask them about, you know, do you have a bunker? No, they can't afford a bunker. You ask them,

00:08:15.060 do you have a zombie plan? Like when was the last time you thought about your zombie plan?

00:08:19.040 I think, especially if you're talking to conservatives, probably 80% of men have spent

00:08:25.660 some time, like a lot more time than they need to, given the actual probability of a zombie attack,

00:08:32.020 thinking about their zombie plan. Yeah. You ask them like, how many MREs do you have? Like,

00:08:36.220 you know, or even like you, you can see this built into some religions, like, you know, the,

00:08:40.520 the Mormon norm of having a certain supply of food, all that, you know, like.

00:08:46.560 Yeah. Well, and a lot of people don't know, but the, the, the, because your grandfather worked on

00:08:50.340 one, the, the, the bunker. Yeah. At the bottom of some large Mormon temples. Yeah. So a lot of

00:08:57.040 these frontier religions have this, but I actually think it's a genetic instinct in the same way that

00:09:02.400 I think that like sort of the men, the young men of a tribe before they come of age, like building

00:09:06.920 little traditions together and building little forts together, it's likely a traditional instinct

00:09:11.840 because that would have really helped you bond with your kinsmen in a historic context and still

00:09:16.240 does. But I think in addition, in developing secret rights and everything like that, you know,

00:09:20.760 you see this, what is a fraternity? If not that all the boys get together, they, they have a,

00:09:25.480 a place that's disgusting often, and they have secret little rituals and everything like that.

00:09:29.920 This is a very conservative instinct, you could say. But then in addition to that,

00:09:35.240 I also think the prepping for like things that can never happen is interesting.

00:09:38.540 One of the most interesting things is if you ask people, what's their velociraptor plan? Now this

00:09:43.040 isn't as popular today because the Jurassic Park movies aren't as popular as they used to be.

00:09:46.860 Okay. Something like 20% of men would have a velociraptor attack plan of their house.

00:09:51.540 Like if their house was surrounded by velociraptors, just like not a scenario that's going to remotely

00:09:56.240 happen, but they're still planning around it.

00:09:58.280 It's fun to fantasize about. Right. Right. But I don't think everyone does this. I think people

00:10:04.220 who are from areas that have been civilized for a really long time, don't have apocalyptic plans

00:10:11.100 as much as people who lived in frontier areas for a long time. So yeah, because surviving in the

00:10:17.120 frontier is surviving in the apocalypse. Yeah. Well, no, an apocalypse can happen at any day,

00:10:23.520 you know, basically an apocalypse, right? Yeah. You know, you're building, then what do you have?

00:10:27.960 You're back to square zero again, right? No, I mean, you don't think about it. No,

00:10:31.400 just even on a nice sunny day, you know, food is limited. Locusts could come through, you know,

00:10:36.200 some kind of pest could come through and completely wipe out all your food. A snowstorm could come,

00:10:40.900 raiders, you know, like, you know, in some cases, like local tribes that are very antagonistic or

00:10:45.740 sometimes just like, like thieves on the road, you know, could just come and like attack your house

00:10:51.260 at any time. Like it's, it is 100%. It is the, the frontier is an apocalypsistic scenario. So

00:10:58.200 to a great extent, the kinds of concerns that people are planning around are exactly the same

00:11:06.340 concern that their ancestors survived around. Yeah. And the people in these contexts who didn't

00:11:12.200 have this instinct to have like a hidden store of food away from their house to have like a backup

00:11:16.520 house. So that's like uniquely defensible to have, like, they just died when these things happen.

00:11:21.920 That's why this instinct is so strong in these populations. It's also why, if you look at the

00:11:27.060 frontier, like if you look at the best apocalyptic movies, uh, they are coming out of frontier areas.

00:11:33.420 So you look at like good Hollywood movies, good, like the, like road where, where did that come from?

00:11:39.220 Australia, right? You know, all of the good apocalyptic stories typically come from the

00:11:43.880 Americas or from Australia. And if you look at anime, they honestly just don't do a very good

00:11:49.520 job with apocalyptic stories. I I've never had a good apocalyptic anime that I really liked.

00:11:54.860 High school of the dead is probably the closest. I think it's the best zombie property I've ever

00:11:58.660 watched, but it wasn't really told like an apocalypse story, which is much more, you know,

00:12:04.140 an instance where you're forced to like prove your mettle and like everything.

00:12:07.240 It's a survival story. An apocalypse is very different from survival scenarios.

00:12:12.280 It's about a sustainable life going forward. It's about having a defensible property.

00:12:17.180 It's about having a food supply. It's not about making it from one day to the next.

00:12:21.460 It's the zombies try to kill you. 0.85

00:12:23.400 Yeah. Which is what you often see more in the Japanese stories, right? Like it's not about

00:12:28.020 building a settlement, building the defenses around the settlement. This is what the people

00:12:32.580 from these apocalyptic traditions start fantasizing about. And I also think that there's different

00:12:37.960 colors of apocalyptic tradition that people fantasize about, given the environment that their

00:12:43.320 ancestors had to adapt to. So if you look at me, like my apocalyptic fantasy, when I look at it,

00:12:50.220 when I listen to the songs associated with it, I love it. A part of my heart longs for it. And you

00:12:55.120 could say, well, who would ever long for this? It's the Frostpunk universe.

00:12:58.840 I have heard that there are those who would defy us, who choose oppression or ascension for the

00:13:04.320 pious dissidents, without repent, depend on questioning. The diest was did I, and this

00:13:08.920 pariahs, and their heretic messiah went to blizzards to infinity. So sing the hymns and 0.96

00:13:13.940 litanies, hand in and skin the sinners, if you wish to skim divinity. Each shiver will deliver

00:13:18.880 us deliverance in time, earn the innocence for penitence if we preempt the crime.

00:13:23.840 In my midst, battlements of sacraments as chattel to our right. The sacrilegious and recalcitrant

00:13:28.840 shall var off these the smite. Non-believers shan't deceive us, we shall greet their cheek 0.98

00:13:32.980 with grievance. In this sister season, we redeem the meek with bleak obedience. Seeking each 0.98

00:13:37.380 unheeding heathen, see them bleed or plead allegiance. Blessed be your relief from freedom, lest ye

00:13:41.840 feel the need for treason. Since the precept was decreed, its certainty was predetermined.

00:13:45.840 Near herds of sheep are people, thus they need to be subservient. Be so turbulent of 1.00

00:13:50.740 firmament, the worst of men survive. Pray their mercy may preserve the sins that touch the other

00:13:55.300 side. And here you are complaining about our interior temperature being 51 degrees. Come

00:13:59.580 on, Malcolm. Right? Yes. You need a bunch of cold to edify the spirit. Would you know, I-

00:14:06.320 Oh my god, no. Octavian, the other day, I just have to say this. The other day, he was like,

00:14:09.840 I love the cold. And I'm like, yes, my son. Did he send that to you? Yes. And our house is a cold

00:14:15.540 house. It's a cold house. Like, we do not eat in the winter with our belief system, right? You know,

00:14:19.820 constant self-deprivation. Yeah. So I think what we're seeing here is an evolved instinct.

00:14:26.920 It's interesting. I mean, yeah. Yeah. We also frame it as something that people enjoy.

00:14:32.400 It doesn't seem that all the people involved with this enjoy it. Like, they're actually worried. And,

00:14:37.160 you know, some of our friends, when they've spoken about it, don't talk about it like they're

00:14:41.600 enjoying it. They talk about it like it's keeping them up at night. So I wouldn't say- I do agree it's

00:14:46.640 an instinct, just like a squirrel having the instinct to hide away food. I don't think that these people

00:14:53.900 enjoy it. Now, there's this one Marxist media theorist, self-styled, I should say. I'm not just

00:15:00.540 calling them that, who wrote this piece in The Guardian about how, oh, these rich people just keep

00:15:05.600 reaching out to me and asking for my advice because they think I'm a futurist, even though

00:15:09.460 I'm a humanist. And then sometimes I just go anyway, because I won't say that to the money,

00:15:14.620 of course. And maybe I can convince them to be better people. And the general gist of this person's

00:15:20.200 thesis is that the apocalyptic mindset that these wealthy people have is a danger to society because

00:15:28.640 it's kind of this fantasy that they want to come true. Like, there can only be one. They want this

00:15:37.480 future where only they survive. And like, they might- the article doesn't, I think, explicitly say

00:15:43.960 this, but like, they might manifest it because they're the powerful people and they'll make it

00:15:48.220 happen. Or they won't stop it from happening because they kind of want it to happen.

00:15:52.160 These are Marxist fever dreams.

00:15:53.680 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't know what to say. Like, I do think a lot of people-

00:16:00.380 I would only do that. I mean, they have their power because of the existing system.

00:16:04.460 Exactly.

00:16:04.740 The rich and the powerful in a society are those individuals who are often most

00:16:08.680 threatened by ideas that counter the society and the mainstream ideals. This is why you have

00:16:16.100 individuals who are often clearly smart enough to understand the concept of the urban monoculture,

00:16:21.280 understand the negative value sets it's giving to a population, you know, like Mark Zuckerberg or

00:16:27.120 Bill Gates or something like that. Like, if they applied the most small modicum of thoughts to the

00:16:32.780 world is structured today, they would realize how unjust it is and how dangerous it is. But they

00:16:38.700 can't. They can't afford to because if the world structure changed, they would lose what they have.

00:16:43.560 I don't know. I think, so among the threats that they were planning for that were listed,

00:16:49.260 there was climate change, obviously. So like a lot of concern over that, but also social instability.

00:16:54.100 Why do they keep coming islands in?

00:16:55.520 And no, well, I think so. So some people who are covering this whole billionaire bunker thing

00:17:00.900 are also talking about people getting golden passports and all these other, like, you know,

00:17:06.000 like, you know, buying islands. I totally don't think this has anything to do with apocalyptic

00:17:10.840 planning. They're buying islands because they want to have a freaking island. Like buying an 0.86

00:17:14.800 island is like the worst place to be in an apocalypse. You're going to get taken out by

00:17:18.480 the next hurricane. This is when I grew up, my family had a private island in the Bahamas that

00:17:22.620 we would go to and we would spend, you know, I'd spend a few months there every year and, you know,

00:17:27.040 pirate raids and stuff like that. They are, people think islands are much more defensible than they

00:17:31.340 are. Yeah. The house that Malcolm lived in with his family that they'd built on that island

00:17:35.400 literally riddled full of bullets. It is like, it was so sad to walk through it and it was so

00:17:40.760 disturbing because it was like stuffed animals that have been stuffed animals, these kid beds. Yeah.

00:17:45.380 Like just, yeah. Cut up bullets, bullet holes everywhere. So anyway, yeah, no, these people

00:17:51.140 are just buying islands because they want party islands. And then, you know, other people are

00:17:54.060 covering it saying, oh, they think the end of the world is coming and the passports saying, come on,

00:17:57.800 that's not going to do you any good in a real apocalypse. I think people just kind of, for some

00:18:02.500 people, it seems like a kind of hobby to pick up more passports. I think it's the bunker people that

00:18:06.760 are actually thinking about this, but I think one of the reasons why I think they are

00:18:10.440 planning for social instability is that a lot of the conversations are circling around the

00:18:17.660 private security forces. For example, this Marxist who was flown out to advise a small group of like

00:18:27.480 five millionaires and billionaires about their bunker strategy writes, finally, the CEO of a brokerage

00:18:33.600 house explained that he had nearly completed building his own underground bunker system and asked,

00:18:37.660 how do I maintain authority over my security force after the event? The event. That was their

00:18:42.940 euphemism for the environmental collapse, social unrest, nuclear explosion, solar storm, unstoppable

00:18:47.460 virus, and malicious computer hack that takes everything down. The single question occupied us

00:18:52.520 for the rest of the hour. They knew armed guards would be required to protect their compounds from

00:18:56.540 raiders as well as angry mobs. One had already secured a dozen Navy SEALs to make their way to his

00:19:01.340 compound if he gave them the right cue. But how would he pay the guards? Or once even crypto was

00:19:07.740 worthless, what would stop the guards from eventually choosing their own leader? The billionaires considered

00:19:12.920 using special combinations of locks and food supply that only they knew, or making guards wear

00:19:18.340 disciplinary collars of some kind in return for their survival, or maybe building robots to serve as

00:19:24.480 guards and workers, if that technology could be developed in time. So like, okay, so these, at least

00:19:29.880 these people who are dumb enough to hire a Marxist to help them with their survival strategy, 0.97

00:19:35.560 who are building bunkers and stuff are really concerned about security. Yeah, they are concerned 0.99

00:19:39.660 about social unrest. They are concerned about people attacking them. When we would say, I mean, I hope

00:19:44.620 anyone who knows our channel would say what we would say if we had a lot of money, is that the skills

00:19:49.240 needed in a good leader are going to change during this time period. And you should build a system

00:19:53.900 that allows the society that you're building to elect the best leader. It doesn't need to be

00:19:59.840 you. You don't need to control. You're just lucky to survive the apocalypse. And after that, it's about

00:20:06.720 building a strong culture. And you should be happy if one of the Navy SEAL guards is running everything,

00:20:11.400 if they're a benevolent and good leader, you should focus much more on good governance than you should

00:20:16.620 focus on, if we did write the Pragmatist Guide to Governance, then you should focus on trying to

00:20:21.120 maintain power yourself. And great example of this. So in China, by the way, this is a great story.

00:20:28.280 So when the CCP was coming to power, there was, you know, the government before it, I forget what

00:20:32.880 they were called, Shanghai Sheck's government was falling apart. And one of the mayors, I want to say

00:20:38.720 was the mayor of one of the major cities, took all his money and put it in his car, like in gold

00:20:44.680 bricks, right? Oh, I love this story. And he, he, he just filled this like limousine with gold bricks

00:20:51.340 and he got in and he had his limo driver drive him out of the city. Apparently like right at the city

00:20:57.240 limits, the limo driver took him out of the car, shot him and drove off with a limo full of gold

00:21:02.460 bricks because it's why you don't matter anymore. I got a limo full of gold bricks here. You've been a

00:21:07.860 dick to me. And this is the problem with these people is they haven't engendered the respect of the 0.99

00:21:12.860 people around them in terms of how they've made their money and how they spent their money,

00:21:17.020 which is very antithetical to the way we live. Like if you look at the way that we put money into

00:21:23.260 our community and stuff like that, the idea that anyone in our community would betray us like this,

00:21:28.520 and it's not like small amounts, like this is the problem. You don't give your community like a

00:21:32.900 pittance or something like that, because if you do that, then yeah, they still have a lot of,

00:21:36.840 so one, never give your community less than what they deserve to have the same advantages as somebody

00:21:45.080 was in your family, right? Because then you're building a community of people who are like,

00:21:48.200 I genuinely appreciate you guys. But on top of that, and we've had this, like we've mentioned

00:21:54.040 to the community, like it'll come up sometimes like, oh, this person has mentioned killing us

00:21:58.400 online. And they're like, I, they better not fucking come here. So that's, that's, you know, 0.99

00:22:03.500 one thing is, is, is your, you, you need to actually be a good person and actually reinvest

00:22:09.040 in your community. Well, at least on a bureaucratic basis. But the other thing is don't have things

00:22:15.140 that are worth taking. Within a system like this, like within our house, we have nothing that's

00:22:19.760 worth stealing. We have computers that'll be like, like literally the most expensive things we have

00:22:24.300 in our house or our technology, but it's all going to be worse.

00:22:28.500 Even our laptops are not like, like mine is four years old, three, three years old. Like,

00:22:35.500 yeah, none of it. Like even our, our, our screens, like our bigger, like screen, like in the kitchen

00:22:42.260 is so shitty. I don't think anyone would even take it. Cause it's like, I could imagine them 0.81

00:22:47.300 trying to turn it on and like waiting the five minutes it takes for it to load, you know, and

00:22:51.080 being like, Hmm. We have like five sets of the same outfit. That's not particularly useful.

00:22:56.500 You don't have no one steals clothes or jewelry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess a lot of it's

00:23:02.700 just, but I mean, but hold on, like in the apocalypse though, what these people are afraid

00:23:06.880 of having stolen is just like literally their food, their clean water, their supplies, like

00:23:11.920 the stuff that people need to not die.

00:23:15.020 And I think what you need then is the thing that really protects you is by having a system

00:23:19.720 centered around you or your property or something you have built that is stable and that people

00:23:26.120 want to participate in. That's the thing you want to be the one, if not stable democracy,

00:23:33.380 because I actually don't think democracies are particularly good governing systems. And again,

00:23:37.120 read the pragmatist guide to governance, if you're interested in this, but be the system where people

00:23:40.660 can be fairly certain that they, the, the best people, that the most meritocratically competent

00:23:46.300 people are going to be promoted within that system to the, to, to a good position. And that

00:23:51.680 people was in that system or want for less than other systems. And then people are like,

00:23:55.060 well, what about the angry, non-meritocratically competent people? Well, the great thing is that

00:23:59.120 that if you, like, if you sap the surrounding area of all the meritocratically competent people,

00:24:04.560 then you don't need to worry about the other groups in the area because the meritocratically

00:24:08.140 competent people will find ways to defend your settlement. So at that point, it's mostly just

00:24:12.420 about having the ammunition and the guns and stuff like that, that can be distributed competently

00:24:16.580 by whatever governance system you set up. I will say one of the, the, I know bunkers that we have been

00:24:21.740 invited to uses AI kill drones. So they wouldn't have this problem. We'd have to.

00:24:27.920 Yeah. I mean, I think we're really like maybe just a few years away from most people being able to

00:24:33.980 like commercially set up AI drones to defend their property, which is like, and that would change a lot

00:24:41.000 like that plus a good solar flare protected solar energy system. And, um, you know, some other like

00:24:50.940 energy supplies would probably do the trick. Right. Yeah. No, but I mean, I do find the AI kill drone

00:24:57.020 thing. Interesting. It's a system where they've got a, an area of farmland and it's enough to support

00:25:02.680 the people who would be coming there. And then like a silo and the silo has the drone flying kill drones.

00:25:10.120 Yeah. Uh, to protect the, the area, which makes a lot of sense. I mean, people would be like, well,

00:25:16.320 that can't be operational constantly because they need to recharge. And it's like, well, it doesn't

00:25:20.140 need to be operational constantly. It needs to be operational a few times before people realize that

00:25:25.440 you do not attack this settlement. And you put the people who you care about dying less on the

00:25:30.520 outskirts of the settlement and the people you care about dying more on the inside of the settlement.

00:25:35.420 Yep. Uh, very different settlement planning practices than you would have historically

00:25:39.600 when you, you can earn land and stuff like that by labor or by, by contributing to the settlement

00:25:45.940 schools. Um, but here's, okay, here's the big bus that I think this group is missing that like,

00:25:52.760 I think you and I always bring up with our friends when they tell us their bunker plans is that like,

00:25:57.840 realistically, yeah, I mean, it's good to have an emergency plan. And I think this is part of just

00:26:03.720 being like, everyone should have a good emergency plan as a part of a healthy balanced diet. You

00:26:09.220 should know what to, you know, you should know CPR, you should know how to, how to get your kids safe.

00:26:14.420 If they start choking on something and all that, right. Put out a fire and you should know what to

00:26:18.520 do if, if suddenly like global infrastructure collapses or, you know, there's a climate apocalypse or

00:26:23.600 whatever, but like the real, the real thing is demographic collapse. The real thing is the future

00:26:31.320 of human civilization. The real thing is all that. And I think, uh, you know, another group that gets

00:26:36.400 put into this category of doomsday preppers are people like Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk who are trying

00:26:46.040 to get humans off planet. Right. We're like, let's go to Mars. Let's, let's go to the, you know,

00:26:50.240 let's get off the earth. And that is, that is not the thing like these, that is about saving

00:26:58.200 civilization. That is not about saving their asses. Right. Yeah. People are like, oh, they want to 0.99

00:27:03.020 scurry off this sinking ship was like, like rats off of, and it's like, I'm sorry, you idiot Marxists 1.00

00:27:08.800 are the ones who thunk this ship. Okay. You are the sign of the rot in society and that they have 1.00

00:27:14.140 chosen not to take you shows that. And when this comes to one of the things of wealth in our society

00:27:21.300 and it's something that I just, it disgusts me that people don't get this. So there are ways to

00:27:28.460 make wealth that is unethical. I agree with that. There are ways to like play the market where it's

00:27:33.520 just, you know, showing intellectual superiority over other people. Okay. I get that. If you look at the

00:27:38.320 wealthiest people in our society and you're not including women, it's mostly people who are in their

00:27:42.580 own money. So what does it really mean to earn your own money in our society today? I'm side of

00:27:47.160 a few isolated scenarios. It's like saying, okay, you can, you can get paid for one of two things.

00:27:53.220 You can be a factory worker, like an incremental factory worker and get paid for the incremental

00:27:57.580 productivity that you as a factory worker gave to that factory. Or you can be a person who allows

00:28:02.900 five people to do the job in the factory that 10 people used to be able to do. And people are like,

00:28:08.540 well, how can this person be making, you know, more hours of work than I could work if I was working

00:28:14.140 from the time of Jesus to today? And I'm like, that's how, that's how, because they're literally

00:28:18.200 adding more productivity than you could add to the world working from the time of Jesus to today.

00:28:22.400 And they deserve that money because of that. That is how the vast majority of ultra, ultra,

00:28:27.560 ultra wealthy people are making so much money. This is super underrated. I just want to emphasize

00:28:31.560 this because like, there are all these shows out there about like rich families and rich people. 0.98

00:28:36.720 And a lot of them just sort of frame them as incredibly dumb, incredibly unethical. Like it's 0.96

00:28:43.560 clear that these are written by people who hate capitalism and hate wealth. And like, I'm thinking

00:28:49.320 about, for example, like these are the most irredeemable, unethical, terrible, antisocial people 0.97

00:28:55.360 out there. And like the vast majority of wealthy people, certainly the ones that we've met are good

00:29:03.020 pro-social people who care about making the world a better place, who are kind and patient and good

00:29:10.660 to others. They're a little burned from being constantly attacked by society, but it's clear

00:29:14.600 that they at least started with a positive heart for society. And like, okay, for example, Jeff Bezos,

00:29:19.400 right? Like a lot of people are like, oh, what a horrible person. Amazon, like the, the quality 0.61

00:29:25.840 difference. If you didn't live in the pre-Amazon world, the quality difference that Amazon makes

00:29:31.740 to my life every day. If you're talking about like time saved, if you're talking about like the amount

00:29:38.220 of incremental, they're like, how could he make as much as like, like, like, like, like literally,

00:29:43.640 I think he probably gives every American citizen two hours extra time every day.

00:29:49.400 Compared to the pre-Amazon world.

00:29:52.120 That's a big claim. 20 minutes.

00:29:54.220 Maybe not two hours.

00:29:55.800 20 minutes a day.

00:29:57.300 30 minutes a day, at least. 30 minutes a day for every American citizen is enormous.

00:30:03.540 If you're talking about like productivity increases in our economy. If you gave him 30 minutes of our

00:30:10.360 salary every day from every American citizen.

00:30:12.720 Oh my God. Right.

00:30:13.820 Then that gets a lot more interesting because you're like, oh, that's less than what he's probably

00:30:18.460 actually making, you know? And at that point you're like, okay, I get it now. Right.

00:30:23.580 Just people are unwilling to recognize how little they add to the world compared to other people.

00:30:29.820 I think that's the real problem.

00:30:31.380 They want to pretend that everyone's adding the same things to the world. And that's just not true.

00:30:35.540 And in a communist system that distributed wealth fairly, people like him would still be getting 0.99

00:30:40.180 stupid amounts of wealth. 0.99

00:30:41.680 Yeah. 1.00

00:30:43.120 But communists didn't. Communist systems intentionally end up sabotaging more competent people. And

00:30:47.940 there's like a whole, you can read the Pragmatist Guide to Governance.

00:30:51.800 And you're describing communist as in the ones that have actually been executed. Like we've,

00:30:57.300 we've come to understand that communism in theory, the concept of communism is, it actually requires

00:31:04.480 like a science fiction world that doesn't exist yet, which is basically like post-AGI, post-scarcity,

00:31:12.460 post-singularity. And then totally you can have communism. I think the problem is that like

00:31:17.560 the bunch of people decided that they were going to try it without like the fundamental necessary

00:31:22.620 principles being there. So that's what you're describing.

00:31:26.080 I mean, obviously the telescoping history concept that was invented by Lenin, which shows to an extent

00:31:29.960 you're right there. But I don't think that's like, I don't think that those things are necessary for

00:31:34.840 communism. And like, like, I think that communism works on a small scale.

00:31:38.780 Oh, it totally does. Yeah. But I don't think communism as described by the great communist

00:31:42.600 thinkers was meant to be applied only at the family level, for example. So.

00:31:48.400 Yeah. Okay. Anyway, it was great. This is a great conversation, Simone. We'll see how many

00:31:52.520 people we piss off with it. That's how we judge the quality of, of how based we are, you know?

00:31:57.680 I think we've already gotten rid of most of the Marxists at this point, but we'll see.

00:32:02.240 Hi guys. If you're here, we, we can't say we love you, but we tolerate you.

00:32:11.020 But I love you, Malcolm. I love you too.

Based Camp - February 05, 2024

What Do Ultra-Wealthy Apocalypse Bunkers Have To Do With Tunnel Jews？

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