Based Camp - What Really Happened Before the Viral Interview

00:00:00.000 what we see is a turning point culturally and that's what this interview represents a turning

00:00:05.000 point culturally with the right becoming the party of science it's science and the left becoming the

00:00:10.780 anti-science theologically motivated party would you like to know more hello simone i'm excited to

00:00:17.360 be here with you today we recently ended up getting in a debate against what i can only describe as a

00:00:23.180 literal straw man of myth and it went viral super viral i think the video is at 9.5 million views

00:00:29.160 now one person was was adding it up across the sites so really really big and what we wanted to

00:00:35.740 take this episode to do was to go over what you're not seeing from this film clip and the context of

00:00:42.320 what we were thinking in this film clip and how we were trying to talk was here because i think a lot

00:00:46.720 of people get the impression that i walked into a room with a cnbc telemundo reporter right and i sat

00:00:54.660 down and she just started asking me questions and immediately i was like what what are you talking

00:01:00.460 about for yeah for context it's paola ramos she's yes like she's she's not she's she's not unknown okay

00:01:08.680 she's 193 000 followers just on instagram she has she worked in the obama administration she worked in

00:01:15.840 the clinton administration her dad is a very famous banker at telemundo and like one of trump's arch

00:01:21.960 enemies she is very like this is the environment she grew up in this is her religion it very much

00:01:29.220 reminded me of me talking to people who have been in scientology and grew up in scientology

00:01:34.380 just their conviction that their weird world beliefs are completely normal and we'll play the

00:01:40.400 clip in a bit but most of you have probably already seen it so i'm not gonna go into that that much

00:01:44.180 actually sargon of akkad did a full episode dedicated to a breakdown of it because it was so

00:01:49.220 emblematic of this i think you should start with the clip i think you should start with the clip the

00:01:53.580 point i was making is we didn't just sit down and this was filmed this was after a full day of

00:01:58.340 shooting it was it was actually near the end of the shoot that day so we had had her at our house we'd

00:02:04.420 been talking with her in a number of different environments is the way it works you go to one

00:02:08.060 room you go to another room you do some filming you talk about this you talk about this you talk about

00:02:11.920 this and and before i i play the clip i'll give you context when she started talking about this

00:02:18.720 up until this point while she had been like a little woke about some things it was like normal

00:02:23.920 like let's discuss this like let's find common ground let's this was when i think she decided like

00:02:29.920 oh i've got this gotcha planned for them right and immediately her gotcha fell apart because she 0.70

00:02:36.080 didn't seem to understand very very basic biology and she didn't she thought that we were like

00:02:41.420 racist or racial supremacist when in the very clip we make it clear we're like difference

00:02:45.760 doesn't mean better we're just saying that there are differences with specifically the one that i

00:02:52.460 really couldn't get over with her and to give you a context of how we got there was that well at the

00:02:57.480 very least the genes that code for our skin color are different right like we can at least agree on that

00:03:04.300 i didn't jump there because i was trying to jump to a non-sequitur i jumped there because i was sort of

00:03:09.280 like okay you disagree that there are any genetic differences between black and white people

00:03:14.120 like presumably you at least agree on this and then we can sort of work on okay well then maybe

00:03:20.040 other genes have associations due to similar sort of ancestral environmental conditions leading to

00:03:26.680 them being selected for but no we got to the do genes cause skin color differences and her answer was 0.55

00:03:33.940 and the other thing about this clip is this was not the full debate or like us pushing back and

00:03:39.040 forth it probably went on i want to say for 15 minutes or significantly i don't know it's hard to

00:03:46.360 tell how long something was but what i can say is this was just a little bit of it and it doesn't fully

00:03:51.980 show how crazy her position was her position was just for people who don't know in the context

00:03:58.500 all differences between black people and white people are due to conditions that they experience

00:04:07.580 in their life such as discrimination so she would say the reason why and this is a contributory factor

00:04:14.060 that black women have more fertility complications or enter menopause earlier than white women and

00:04:19.560 we'll go into both of these claims because this is what i was talking about in context the reason

00:04:22.660 why i brought up that they like it came up that they were different at all is because i was talking

00:04:26.180 about what we need to understand this as a society that like we are actually different because of a

00:04:31.180 black woman tries to have kids at the same timeline as a white woman having kids she will not have as 0.95

00:04:37.580 many kids successfully due to biological differences and this matters in the bigger debate of demographic

00:04:43.640 lapse of pernatalism because the primary driver of falling fertility rates is not people not having kids

00:04:49.220 at all it's people starting families later and the problem is that many including many of our black

00:04:54.220 female friends are doing what everyone's doing the responsible things starting their families later 1.00

00:04:59.320 no one tells them that like on average the fertility windows of black women and the fertility of black 0.97

00:05:04.440 women in general is different from um the rest of the population which often is more represented 1.00

00:05:09.480 in scientific research in in western society anything from their perspective we were arguing against a

00:05:17.440 eurocentric medical perspective exactly exactly what which is so funny because in some woke circles it's it's

00:05:23.140 really commonly discussed how there's not enough medical research that is specifically for women or

00:05:28.740 specifically for certain racial groups that are on average different from other groups like it's fully

00:05:33.540 recognized there but like in the context of this it's and in the in the longer conversation we go into

00:05:41.420 this and she goes no all of these differences are entirely and 100 even though there is voluminous

00:05:48.000 evidence this is the case which we'll go into not they're due to discrimination in some way and i was like

00:05:52.900 well you know if you have interracial couples you still see the difference but only when it's women 1.00

00:05:56.620 and i like went into this and i was like and if you control for wealth which studies have done you still

00:06:00.600 see the differences and she just would not have it and it's interesting to me because if you actually

00:06:04.960 go downstream of her perspective what she's arguing is that like black people become black not due to

00:06:11.660 genes or like even even more than that black people are let's say taller on average not due to genes 0.90

00:06:17.400 but because of the discrimination they face and i and i'd point out another thing that we'll get into

00:06:23.400 later in this is a lot of people are like well black isn't a race or whatever and i'm like i never said

00:06:29.840 black was a race like i was not saying i was merely saying if you're looking at this one phenotypical

00:06:35.140 characteristic it is associated with specific other characteristics that may have medical implications

00:06:41.420 whether it be sickle cell anemia or diabetes or the way you process vitamin d like that that was the

00:06:49.140 point i was making i would not and i even clearly state this in the place i say i'm not saying we're

00:06:53.340 better i'm not talking about iq here and i'm not like i i there was no like and i'm not even saying

00:07:00.020 like this race or this race or arguing for the concept of race or ethnicity i was just saying that

00:07:06.180 you can look at one phenotypic thing and this matters a lot in hospitals like people die when

00:07:11.600 you don't do this in a hospital context because if you if you try to for example like even just

00:07:17.860 looking at somebody broadly do a blood donation like i can i can have a well let's go from blood

00:07:22.780 donations bone bone marrow donation you know if i have like a black wife and i want to donate bone 0.99

00:07:27.740 marrow to her i just can't because we are biologically incompatible in that context and so it's more common

00:07:34.180 like just how do you explain this if this isn't true example that was brought up in discussions

00:07:40.260 around this clip online was just then how do you explain sickle cell anemia anemia sorry and that's

00:07:48.060 just a really easy go-to like there's it is there's some populations that need to deal with sickle cell

00:07:54.580 anemia and there are other populations that don't have this i mean like same with things like if you're

00:07:58.380 a hemophiliac it's probably like how do you explain these things i don't know so so it's

00:08:04.160 two things to bring up in this context there's actually a reason why as the debate got longer

00:08:08.260 i did not bring up sickle cell anemia and i tried to keep it incredibly narrow and first when it

00:08:12.200 happened when i was like hey do you want to check this on ai i was still sort of in a phase of this

00:08:17.600 isn't a debate this isn't a gotcha moment she just doesn't know what she's talking about and we

00:08:22.200 just need to make sure that we're on the same page so we can create high quality news media for the

00:08:26.620 general public right like that wasn't me being like oh let's use ai to end a debate or something like

00:08:31.620 that i was just like hey like maybe we should come to some sort of common ground or or look at a

00:08:38.460 third party because what you're saying is just like factually in like the broadest possible sense

00:08:43.740 deeply deeply untrue and it's not like it's one field like genetics this is important for

00:08:49.980 criminology anthropology forensics like it's it's the basis of like multiple academic disciplines

00:08:57.620 disciplines that this is untrue and for many people who don't know my background i actually

00:09:01.680 worked in the department at the smithsonian at one point i was the the only staff still in this

00:09:06.940 department it was never used for crime at that point but because everyone else was on a dig

00:09:09.800 at this period not because i was senior or anything that bones is based off of and some people were like

00:09:14.640 you know if you've seen bones you know that you can tell like the ethnicity of a person

00:09:19.340 bones not the objects it's the show bones from like dna or from physical morphology like the bones

00:09:28.840 themselves or from various other things that are that are tied or downstream of genetics and so for

00:09:34.860 me i'm almost like a nerd who is working in the bones lab and then somebody is like you can't tell

00:09:38.780 the race of somebody by you can't tell or more importantly because we're not even talking about

00:09:43.180 race here you can't tell the color of someone's skin by their dna because that's specifically what i was

00:09:48.460 arguing and the person in the bones lab would just be like what what are you talking about

00:09:53.280 but i'll play the clip here because you want to play the clip and i know many people have seen it

00:09:57.560 and it's short it's like a minute 30 so we'll play it

00:09:59.800 you've said things like black women are biologically different than white women 1.00

00:10:05.320 they they yes they have uh different fertility windows they have a higher rate of fertility

00:10:10.540 complications 50 because there's no scientific evidence to prove that a black woman and a white 0.79

00:10:15.840 woman are genetically different right this is like what are you talking about no no no 1.00

00:10:20.660 literally there are genes that code for their skin color there are genes again this is i mean this is

00:10:25.760 like government data this this is emmy right this is the national institute of health this is the

00:10:29.680 american medical association like there there is no scientific evidence to prove that and that's a

00:10:34.660 problem right because no no no no no no there's no scientific evidence to prove that right and as

00:10:50.860 people that no no no i'm sorry i'm stating do you want to ask an ai if there's scientific evidence to prove

00:10:55.360 that no i want to ask just factually incorrect humans are genetically diverse it's not a bad thing

00:11:03.020 that humans i'm not saying it's a better or a good thing i'm saying there is no scientific evidence

00:11:08.060 and i'm saying that is a factually saying that there is scientific there is scientific evidence

00:11:12.260 there is overwhelming scientific evidence in this basics no no no this is like saying the sky is not

00:11:17.900 blue like it is genes that code their skin color right those genes are obviously different in them

00:11:24.560 than they are in us how is that not science that's just like a basic fact the genes that code their

00:11:30.100 skin color their level of melanin production are different from my genes and that's precisely why

00:11:35.620 i was asking this question because i think for some people that do believe like you that people are

00:11:40.240 genetically different that has historically been used to promote racial hierarchies right and that's

00:11:45.540 why i'm asking you because so because you do

00:11:47.960 anyway i'm not going to go through it and do a play-by-play like sargon did i want to go through

00:11:56.520 oh yes the second part of the clip that i didn't get to mention is as soon as i realized that this was

00:12:00.900 actually like a gotcha moment i went into this mode of oh my god how do i get her to not cut this in 0.97

00:12:06.600 editing so you'll notice this clip just came out as a teaser trailer she put it on her own instagram so

00:12:12.220 like clearly she's proud of it so this clip right was filmed back when simone was pregnant so

00:12:19.400 months ago let's provide more context this was filmed the day before our scheduled t-section i was

00:12:26.720 sick as a dog you can see me like trying to keep snot from falling out of my nose halfway through the

00:12:32.240 interview part of the interview consisted of me driving with them in our car as i went to get pre-op

00:12:38.540 blood work done at the hospital speaking in spanish as they interviewed me live during the drive

00:12:44.160 and yeah they were filming us literally all day from a morning walk to me going to the hospital

00:12:49.800 to being there for a long time to them coming back and then you're interviewing us together then

00:12:53.620 filming us around the kids it was a long ass day and we barely had a chance to even talk about it after 0.54

00:12:59.720 it happened like we had this short conversation of like did she actually did she did she say we

00:13:05.640 actually like i like got simone aside i was like did that really just happen like we didn't even

00:13:10.160 like have time to talk about it because then you know like we were getting the kids in order i was

00:13:17.080 you know getting ready for surgery we we you know we we went to the hospital for a c-section and then

00:13:23.740 then text ended up in the in the nICU like we basically forgot about this interview like i did not

00:13:29.320 forget about it i mentioned it in just a video a couple days ago like in the johnny anomaly interview like

00:13:33.020 i i remember this because i remember just like what a gift to us it would be if it didn't get

00:13:38.000 cut in editing because like midway through the argument after the ai thing and i realized oh

00:13:42.560 she's not just being naive she thinks she has us in some big gotcha moment my immediate thought was

00:13:48.960 oh my god i need to argue in a way that is entertaining and gets the point across to like

00:13:54.260 a general sane person but won't trigger her to actually google this and potentially cut this

00:13:59.860 after the interview is over there's no way though that they didn't fact check this they ran it anyway

00:14:04.740 because the other thing we were constantly doing while they were visiting us all day as we do with

00:14:09.300 every single visiting documentarian or journalist is please make this controversial please make this a

00:14:15.320 hit well but the thing is this isn't just controversial this is controversial making them look like

00:14:20.580 oh yeah yeah normally it's it's just them making us look bad right like so this has been filmed and i went and i

00:14:28.360 talked to her afterwards and i said like can you please like keep that in the piece oh you talked

00:14:34.360 to her about it oh yeah yeah i had a conversation with her and she was so she was just her christmas

00:14:39.340 gift to you how was it bro right no she's like i i don't and part of me like i don't even know if

00:14:45.260 she kept it in due to her own integrity or she just was really so dense that she didn't think to google

00:14:50.260 this or walk by no maybe she knew it would go viral she knew the people on her side would stay

00:14:57.520 on her side anyway and also truly and they did on instagram lots of people probably also still truly

00:15:01.840 believes it but she was probably also being a bro to us and she's like well they said they want it i

00:15:06.160 bet this is going to go pretty viral because i know the other side believes this and in her per her

00:15:10.940 view all of the evil online racists are going to jump on this and make it go viral and x is dominated

00:15:17.680 for example by evil online racists so it'll go viral there it'll make me look great everyone

00:15:23.640 on blue sky is going to defend me we have no idea if this has even come up on blue sky but like

00:15:27.480 basically like all my allies are going to defend me and it's going to drive more attention to this

00:15:32.000 story which you know they spent money putting together you know they sent they sent great for

00:15:38.200 this i'm excited to see the story i have no idea where they're going to take this right you know

00:15:41.940 i don't know yeah i saw that first part i was like this is great yeah so it's something to to be

00:15:46.920 important to understand that a lot of the comments are like hey why did you take this interview to

00:15:52.240 begin with right you know first this is what we do we get people like her who think oh this is going

00:15:58.720 to make me look really good this is going to make them look completely evil oh there's so much more

00:16:03.520 to it than that though no actually no so her producer is is from grace from telemundo yeah this was

00:16:10.620 our first time where a major spanish language latin american not spain-based outlet reached out to us

00:16:20.380 about covering demographic collapse we were absolutely thrilled what doesn't show up in this

00:16:25.320 is that a huge portion of this interview was filmed in spanish with me speaking in spanish with their team

00:16:32.140 so like i think a huge portion of this is going to run in spanish on spanish language outlets and like

00:16:38.100 our audience doesn't speak to me she's not going to see it but like no but like the larger context

00:16:42.840 of us trying to do this too was that demographic collapse is a really big issue in latin america

00:16:46.660 and it's not really being discussed that's not the point i'm making here okay so the point i'm making

00:16:51.520 here is that when we go into a context like this and are trying to create a viral moment like this

00:16:59.180 right the the you have to remember they have editing power on this okay so you need to lure

00:17:07.100 them into a scenario where they come away feeling like you look bad but the average person watching

00:17:15.040 this thinks they look bad this means there are many things that are suggested of us that are just

00:17:21.280 completely off the table right like people are like why don't you just stand up and walk out of the

00:17:25.780 room that would have one made us look absolutely terrible right that would have been very easy for

00:17:31.260 them to spend it would have looked completely like us losing our cool two is why don't you just be

00:17:35.860 completely deadpan about this and start citing studies and start going through you know sickle cell

00:17:42.620 everything like that in a way she's so boring yeah one it would be boring two if we actually broke 0.84

00:17:49.920 through her and she to a point where she thinks to google this no i don't want to drink this

00:17:55.300 sweetheart she actually thinks to google this it's gone it's dead that's not going out to the general

00:18:00.280 public right she needed to think she looked good but in reality did not look good to some extent now

00:18:07.180 there was also the secondary thing where she might have known that she looked terrible i don't think she

00:18:11.180 did but somebody might have known that and it's just went live anyway because we had the conversation

00:18:16.700 with her afterwards where i literally pleaded with her i said please please include that clip

00:18:23.000 like you know and she was so certain of herself that she was just like yeah of course like she

00:18:27.400 clearly thought like oh please don't throw me in the buyer patch was sort of her response to this

00:18:32.000 but i want to be clear that there was a context and a conversation after this and everything like

00:18:36.520 this this wasn't an isolation and the reason that we do this people are like why do you try to create

00:18:41.100 these viral moments it's this is how you spread information within the modern digital economy

00:18:46.840 if i went out there and i did something like you know an inconvenient truth on demographic collapse

00:18:53.140 which by the way already exists the birth gap right it'll do well but it won't do amazingly you

00:18:59.020 know it's not going to do these types of numbers and that's because that's not how people share

00:19:03.060 information anymore they share them in shock outrage bites right and what this moment did was two

00:19:10.380 things simultaneously and i think we saw this on the sargon of a cod clip we'll get into specifics in a

00:19:15.340 second is it one acted as an indictment of the way the media acts you know this is the way of an

00:19:20.860 educated woman she has a graduate degree from the harvard kennedy school right somebody educated in

00:19:25.520 the mainstream system and under her comments there were people like i bet these two people homeschool

00:19:29.240 their own children and i'm like damn right this is why we do because this is what's coming out of

00:19:33.040 the harvard kennedy school right i mean it's a scam degree if somebody's able to have this world

00:19:38.000 perspective and have it but sargon of a cod is able to watch this and be completely generous to us

00:19:42.260 he just called us normal people and i know god thanks for normal people that is honestly my

00:19:49.200 first time hearing that maybe ever are we new normal conservatives is is jd vance a normal guy

00:19:57.680 now are we just like are they are the tech conservatives normal i'm happy for that i'm here

00:20:03.400 but i want to go further here so one thing that was interesting that she did oh simone did you want 0.98

00:20:08.200 to say anything about this more broadly because you were really excited to talk about

00:20:11.140 it being the first spanish language the anything you want i said what i wanted to say about that so

00:20:17.820 so so first the sky is blue thing i love that so many progressives are like well the sky isn't

00:20:24.540 technically blue and i'm like that's an idiom you know right like you're aware when somebody says

00:20:30.500 it's raining cats and dogs they don't literally think that cats and dogs i don't know why progressives

00:20:35.580 got so excited about that that the sky isn't literally blue and it's an illusion created by

00:20:40.120 the way the light refracts in the atmosphere i am literally using an idiom for something that anyone

00:20:46.900 can just observe right and it's a common idiom right it's not like an uncommon idiom or anything like

00:20:52.640 that the other thing i thought was really interesting is her repeated use of the same phrase like there

00:20:58.160 are studies that show this when in actuality there was actually a great paper that went over all of

00:21:04.080 the data from the studies that she claimed to cite like from the nih or whatever and every organization

00:21:10.060 that she cites as proving her position in fact argues the exact opposite of her position and it's

00:21:16.560 interesting that they didn't check this like i wonder if that's even like a legal liability for them

00:21:20.820 to do that and so zero hedge did a piece on this it was near the top and they go meanwhile in in the

00:21:27.260 science or in actual science both the national institute of health and the american medical

00:21:31.240 association have published and hosted studies articles and policy statements that acknowledge

00:21:35.160 genetic differences between human populations the nih for a number of them here genetic structure

00:21:40.900 self-identified race and ethnicity and confounding in case control association studies then the

00:21:47.280 quagmire of race genetic ancestry and health disparities then all of us research programs study

00:21:52.920 on race ethnicity and genetic ancestry then for ama race genetics and health care racial essentialism in

00:22:00.620 the medical in medical education and there's also a study published in nature 2021 african americans and

00:22:06.760 european americans exhibit distinct gene expression profiles like you really do not get clearer than that

00:22:12.180 from the mainstream research are you being too late you know we're on air and you cannot squeal

00:22:17.380 and you cannot scream

00:22:19.260 i can't shake a baby but i can't shake a toddler

00:22:25.040 i can shake a toddler

00:22:27.920 turkey turkey are you gonna quit gobbling and goobling

00:22:34.480 hello

00:22:35.880 so anyway the point i'm making here is she's literally just factually wrong in the thing she's

00:22:43.920 saying and i know she's factually wrong in the thing she's saying like that's why i was like

00:22:46.320 like you could tell i was about to and i love what other people also pointed out is your first

00:22:52.780 intuition simone especially because you were so sick you were about to give birth the next day in a

00:22:57.100 major surgery your own all sorts of meds and you're just like well okay like maybe we can come to some

00:23:02.140 sort of a compromise is where you were right instead of me where i'm trying to find a point of

00:23:05.880 agreement like well at least you know genes code for skin color the other thing that i thought was so

00:23:10.800 funny in many of the things that tried to attack us or say we didn't understand what we were talking

00:23:14.520 about because i want to go over a few of them because i found them very interesting attacks

00:23:18.520 they were like sorry phenotypical traits are caused by alleles and not genes and it's like

00:23:25.500 okay what causes allele genes what causes phenotypical traits genes i am using the word that the general

00:23:36.140 public is most likely to understand because that is who i am communicating with and note here i didn't

00:23:41.240 say like the gene for coding skin color or the gene for coding melanin production i said the genes for

00:23:48.800 coding skin color and the genes for coding melanin production so i thought that that was very

00:23:54.400 interesting that they like knew one what they think of as like a fancy word and they're very excited about

00:23:59.120 it the other one is they're like well race isn't a thing now note here i wasn't even arguing that race

00:24:03.160 is a thing so it's weird that they go into this either because you know well it's not a distinct thing

00:24:09.220 right like you can't say exactly where like

00:24:11.000 white ends and black begins and it's like well you can't tell a red

00:24:18.500 you can't tell where red ends and blue begins that doesn't mean that red and blue are not colors

00:24:26.080 right like they can blend together but they're still distinct and meaningful categories right and

00:24:31.180 this matters in a medical context because that's what i was talking about in terms of predicting

00:24:34.860 things like fertility complications which again we'll get to in a second next i wanted to talk

00:24:39.580 about um the weird statement which of course anybody who watches our show knows that we have

00:24:44.740 said there is especially within african populations that's where the most human genetic diversity is

00:24:49.840 that doesn't mean when you're talking about american black populations that there aren't specific

00:24:54.920 things you can note about american black populations and say oh this leads to this outcome or this

00:25:01.860 leads to this outcome and we're talking about american black population fertility collapse it's

00:25:04.640 really important because this last year we have a video on this they fell below white fertility rates

00:25:08.820 if you if you look at the native born american blacks not propped up by immigrant blacks they might be 0.96

00:25:13.720 at around 1.35 by some estimates which means they're basically at extinction level fertility rates

00:25:18.380 like these are super low super low compared to native white populations as well and they're basically

00:25:23.240 being replaced with with black people we're importing into the country and so it is useful to 1.00

00:25:27.320 understand you know if you are a black woman that you need to start having kids 1.00

00:25:32.080 faster and that despite that you also have some advantages that white women don't have you can 1.00

00:25:38.520 have kids in faster succession because your gestation cycle is shorter but anyway well uh no not

00:25:44.900 not really no what it's like by one by like two weeks one or two weeks matter

00:25:51.400 i mean like not not if you're having like four kids if you want to have 10 or something sure

00:25:59.340 makes a difference adds up but like you know another interesting fact about black women's pregnancies

00:26:06.100 is they are shorter and they go through menopause earlier but they also go through puberty earlier

00:26:12.740 okay but i want to to go into some other counter arguments here and i want to go into some more of

00:26:18.220 the science here because i think it's really interesting like the conversation that happened 0.98

00:26:20.660 around this okay do you think andy wants to play yeah just go play yeah kill yourself 0.95

00:26:26.800 all right so i'll keep an eye on her she starts killing herself we'll get on that okay okay so

00:26:33.940 this one was posted by alonso gromendy and he said and we actually saw this a lot quote genes

00:26:40.280 determine skin color end quote yes but they also determine height moles and hair color but we don't build

00:26:46.440 social hierarchies around that that doesn't mean races are genetic it means that you ring fenced

00:26:53.720 some genes and attribute moral social value to them we call this racism this is really like 0.98

00:27:00.100 spectacularly stupid because what i was talking about was in the context of medical diagnostics 0.98

00:27:05.780 i.e you can look at if somebody comes into the hospital and they appear black you can know that 0.99

00:27:10.880 they have a higher probability of some fertility complications which was the actual topic of 0.96

00:27:15.860 conversation here but two even outside of that two black people might be able to have like i i think

00:27:21.500 like if you if you are let's say true bright like you don't have other ancestral traditions mixed in 0.79

00:27:27.400 with your tradition when you are just japanese all the way down you're never going to have a black kid 0.59

00:27:32.380 if you're black all the way down you know you're not going to have a white kid and this is actually

00:27:36.160 true but this but this isn't true for let's say handedness or height or something like that right

00:27:42.180 and that's because those are single phenotypical expressions as opposed to ethnic groups which are

00:27:49.240 a group of convergent phenotypical expressions that are tied to ancestral closeness and and this really

00:27:57.520 matters right like this this this matters from a diagnostic perspective but it also doesn't mean

00:28:02.320 that we don't one rope off these other things people have clearly i mean look bumble sorts by height

00:28:08.080 you have height filters on bumble that is clearly i i'd say height is is is probably as big in our

00:28:14.460 society a factor in terms of discrimination as ethnicity it's like you earn imagine it's more

00:28:21.340 of a factor we we have we are at a higher rate of insofar as it exists interracial relationships

00:28:30.720 today than we ever have been like people really don't care that much i think it's maybe what like

00:28:37.200 25 my memory is so bad whatever it's really high now it's very low like no one no one cares basically

00:28:42.660 i think people are more likely to end up with their their own no no no we have an episode on this

00:28:47.540 interracial relationships are actually exceedingly rare they're they're way more common now in america

00:28:52.240 than they are but they are still exceedingly rare i thought it was in the 20s are you we didn't

00:28:58.100 just go to our episode on this the thing that i point out is that this idea because there is this

00:29:02.120 perception within the black community that like white people are like white women are stealing all 1.00

00:29:07.300 the black men or something like that or white men are stealing all the black women or whatever 0.88

00:29:10.500 and it's just like factually untrue it's it's not that common and and speaking here i'm just 0.97

00:29:16.320 specifically speaking of the black community but i wanted to to get to that another quote that i

00:29:21.400 thought was actually pretty insightful and sargon went over this one as well is by ubuzuvi

00:29:27.640 v3 where he said the required takeaway from genetic differences video is that your enemies do not

00:29:34.380 use words in the way you do they are not instruments for conveying meaning they do not eliminate mapping

00:29:40.060 from mental concepts to physical reality they are spells provide them provided to them by wizards

00:29:47.440 the purpose of the spells is to make you do what they want you may believe that you are having a

00:29:52.740 conversation but they know they are in a spell casting contest and their ignorance of everything

00:29:58.800 that is real provides them with absolute immunity to your spells there are millions of spell casters

00:30:04.000 out there i am not on twitter to talk to these people who cannot be reasoned with or bargained

00:30:08.920 with without any more than the tv can hear you i find i am here to find others who understand the

00:30:15.280 situation for what it is out of this there is only one way to ever going to take the country back from

00:30:21.580 the spell casters every day we spend casting our impotent spells at them is another day they further

00:30:27.240 consolidate their power recent u.s census bureau analysis for 2022 found that night around 19 percent

00:30:33.900 of married opposite sex couples were interracial okay so this is a little misleading because i went

00:30:39.740 to the stats again when you hear interracial marriage what most people think of is uh black 0.70

00:30:45.060 white marriages because that's specifically what i was talking about here and if you look at black 1.00

00:30:50.520 women married to white men it's only four percent while 12 are interracially married okay that's married 0.98

00:30:57.920 keep in mind like we're still dealing with married boomers who are way less likely to be in interracial

00:31:03.300 marriages and the fact that younger people are formally marrying much less and much later so it must be 0.99

00:31:11.420 much higher than 19 percent in terms of actual like functionally married couples so just keep in mind like

00:31:18.520 no one cares anymore height however huge area of discrimination i think way way like way more than

00:31:26.060 race i i i personally didn't give a rat's ass about what like what someone's heritage was when i was 0.68

00:31:35.560 doing my whole like dating thing and okay cupid i absolutely looked at heights but i i went on dates

00:31:42.580 with guys who were who were indian who were asian who were like everything but okay i did go on a date

00:31:51.180 with one really short guy but it was because he was famous because he was what famous oh yeah but

00:31:57.960 anyway simone right here black killing men thank you the base camp reddit which is now like even bigger 0.50

00:32:04.400 than when we did our like little episode i don't know like that's weird that it's gotten so big

00:32:07.860 but anyway what i would like it's way bigger than like the jordan peterson subreddit now i do not

00:32:13.120 understand what's going on not in terms of subscribers but in terms of activity and posts and

00:32:16.400 but anyway what i wanted to go into here was it is mostly like people complaining about like

00:32:22.240 relationship related stuff so so like women like simone women are terrible but i wanted to talk about 1.00

00:32:28.080 this guy's post because i actually think he's fundamentally wrong here right okay i agree that

00:32:33.160 they think that they're casting some sort of a spell and that this woman i was never going to convince

00:32:38.400 her of my perspective of course the purpose was not that it was to have her making this ridiculous

00:32:47.640 argument and what you saw and this was one of my favorite very highly upvoted posts on this was

00:32:53.780 somebody arguing that she worked for prager you was a plant and was trying to make progressives look

00:33:01.720 bad saying progressives do not actually believe this no large portion of progressives believe this

00:33:08.120 this is clearly a psyop and a lot of people said it was like a skit or a lot of progressives actually

00:33:12.920 thought it was a psyop what happens when progressives first think it's a psyop and then they're shaken

00:33:17.560 out of it to realize this person worked for the obama administration this person worked for the

00:33:22.440 clinton administration this person is she is earnest staffer at cnc cnn cnbc wherever telemundo

00:33:30.320 right like um msnbc welcome csnbc and this got through an entire editing pipeline right like when

00:33:37.880 they see that when they see the dark withered and me just being here being like they're casting a spell

00:33:45.020 do you see it they're casting a spell it wakes them out of this it's what what i've seen though and what

00:33:51.420 i think show i i would only say confirms this is people saying the exact same thing about us that

00:33:57.720 they thought we were borat style plants and that no one could possibly say what we said

00:34:03.940 and i just i think this goes to show i read hundreds of comments i never saw that once was it

00:34:10.300 i saw that it was on x weird because every time i go on x to make sure that there's no one like asking

00:34:16.880 us for something actually substantive i i see like the latest mentions of us in threads or discussions

00:34:23.680 of threads about us and that's where i saw it was it was it highly upvoted like no no no no i just i

00:34:29.660 just see our mentions i'm talking about had like 50 to 100 comments right i'm not saying this was like

00:34:34.480 a highly viewed comment what i'm saying is that there are absolutely people on the other side

00:34:38.760 who who really really hold that view who think that like we must be actors because no one could

00:34:46.960 possibly believe what we believe and and i think this just goes to show how divorced from reality

00:34:54.220 some subcultures of what i think it's very different so here's what you're missing simone

00:35:02.060 okay nobody who is mildly right wing who would vote for trump etc watches this video and has the 0.98

00:35:09.360 perception that we must be plants that no one could be as stupid as that's true well i mean i would say 0.98

00:35:15.160 anyone who's centrist or who has a degree in anything that required basic levels of science 0.96

00:35:21.720 education okay so where this is relevant is a lot of the people who watch this and thought

00:35:27.760 she couldn't possibly be real are democrats they are on the left okay yeah that is how you poison the well 0.71

00:35:36.760 you poison the well by having obviously there's going to be extreme responses on either side

00:35:41.540 but it's only the people who already agreed with her world perspective who are like oh can you 0.86

00:35:48.580 believe how silly these two are a lot of people and we we kept seeing this in the comments a lot of

00:35:53.420 people are like look i'm a scientist like you really shouldn't be saying this stuff other people on her 0.79

00:35:58.500 side being like hey like i hope you guys delete this you know it hasn't been up that long i guess

00:36:03.140 has been clipped but like you guys you can still take it down yeah a lot of people on her own side 0.98

00:36:11.580 were mortified about this and it did a lot to cause them to quite like i knew she was going to cast this

00:36:19.060 spell i knew exactly what was happening as soon as this started and i think as shown by the public

00:36:25.220 response to this if you just look at x's response to this i was 100 right that if i let her post this

00:36:32.500 braggadociously if i appeared animated enough to make this entertaining and make her feel like she

00:36:38.800 won that it was going to blow up in her face and on her side's face and draw more people to our

00:36:44.060 position a lot of people have been saying and i think this is worth repeating that this is very

00:36:48.260 similar to lithenkoism in communist russia where the russians hated everything associated with nazism so

00:36:55.320 much that they hated genetics and so they just said genetics isn't real and so they came up with an

00:36:59.420 alternate hypothesis um the problem is is it's meant that the scientists who then wanted to

00:37:04.860 recommend things based on genetics you know things tied to agriculture were not allowed to and it caused

00:37:10.180 this famine and i think hundreds of millions of people died at least millions of people died it was

00:37:14.220 terrible terrible phenomenon and it's not just that in terms of the ridiculousness of this there was a

00:37:19.600 chart that i saw tied to this that i thought was pretty interesting where people were like well you know

00:37:23.720 skin color isn't actually tied to anything else when we're talking about especially not anything

00:37:29.880 cognitive when we're talking about genetic differences and this chart here looks at where

00:37:35.160 skin color is in regards to genetic differences between groups versus things like genes tied to

00:37:41.120 pituitary gland development dorsal ventral neural tube patterning hind brain development positive

00:37:47.660 regulation of neuron differentiation all of which are much more differentiated between ethnic

00:37:53.700 groups than skin color is at the genetic level at least this to to continue here there's i love

00:38:01.520 the whole trust the science thing everybody was really excited about that where leftists are all

00:38:05.460 like science you know like the leftist redditor who's like science exclamation mark exclamation mark

00:38:10.680 exclamation mark it's science it's like oh not that science but it's actually interesting here

00:38:16.100 because when they say science they do not mean science what they mean is the academic classes which as

00:38:23.240 pointed out before serve as the priest class of the urban monoculture yeah i guess if you just

00:38:28.860 replace science like capital s science with the priest class then it makes sense yeah yeah whereas

00:38:36.020 you look at people like us i mean we're actual science fanatics right like not whatever is coming

00:38:42.080 out of academia but like replicable studies that can be used well it can include whatever's coming out

00:38:47.300 of academia if it's if it's well done like we don't inherently distrust everything from academia neither

00:38:54.440 do any of like the heterodox far-right people who we follow who often cover academic research they just

00:39:03.320 double check the methodology that's all well i mean i think what we're seeing here with this debate and

00:39:09.500 this moment is that the right is becoming the party of science and so what people said and this is

00:39:19.080 absolutely true i mean well in this conversation there were one side that was interested in being

00:39:27.300 moral right in saying what they believed was moral and there was another side that was interested in being

00:39:34.000 honest what science is is honesty and stating what is honest over what fits your moral convictions

00:39:42.380 whether those be blank sadism or creationism the but the reality is is that if you look at mainstream

00:39:49.480 figures on the right right now you are not going to get a right-wing creationist reporter who's just

00:39:55.900 going to be guffawed that somebody who they're talking to is not a creationist in fact i would be surprised

00:40:01.860 if there were many mainstream right-wing individuals anymore who are creationists yet you will find

00:40:09.360 many science deniers on the left like this individual and through that what we see is a

00:40:16.900 turning point culturally and that's what this interview represents a turning point culturally

00:40:20.660 with the right becoming the party of science and the left becoming the anti-science theological party

00:40:27.020 theologically motivated party why would you disagree with that you seem to have some

00:40:31.680 alternate perspective there are some they're anti-ai they're anti-facts there are some maha

00:40:42.820 policies that i wouldn't say work with the preponderance of like i severely disagree with

00:40:53.540 you here so what i have seen is i have seen people make that claim i've seen that people make that

00:40:58.680 claim about jfk's policies and i will say more than 50 percent of those historic cases where somebody

00:41:04.560 made that claim it turned out upon more evidence that he was right so when you say that i think

00:41:10.780 you're just talking about the stuff that we don't have the evidence on yet but in general when jfk has

00:41:16.620 said i want to question something i doubt that and we've even done episodes on this like the aspirin thing

00:41:22.780 right tylenol thing and we actually point out that jfk's position was the mainstream position in

00:41:30.080 academia it was just also but also nothing else is safer so we're going to recommend it um what his

00:41:36.660 position was basically like even though nothing else is safer it still needs to be publicly known that

00:41:40.780 you can't just take as much of this as you want right and and this is something and there are risks

00:41:44.800 to taking it which basically every academic agreed on until jfk said it and the left freaked out

00:41:50.140 a lot of the stuff that people see as anti-science from the right is not actually anti-science and i'm

00:41:56.040 talking like recent papers when we go into that there was like meta studies from like 2021 right

00:42:00.860 like even tylenol itself had corrected people's tweets on this like the corporate twitter account

00:42:08.200 right like this was not an out there conspiracy theory it's just that they rebrand a lot of this

00:42:12.620 as conspiracy theories and if you as a woman i do not mean to but it's true i mean you saw this

00:42:18.020 in the interview and you see this more broadly is women are about consensus making and they also

00:42:24.020 are more likely to believe the sort of consensus is put out there online and so if they see a lot

00:42:29.420 of elites saying maha is a bunch of conspiracy theories that includes conspiracy theories and

00:42:34.540 you haven't individually looked into it like i remember you thought the tylenol thing was a

00:42:38.580 conspiracy theory you thought the studies were bad until i pointed out to you actually this was the

00:42:43.440 mainstream perspective until fairly recently true so i think that that's your position when you're

00:42:49.860 looking at these maha things but anyway to continue here i i love something that a lot of people are

00:42:55.140 talking about is that the progressives treat truth like the demons do in friren which is an anime and

00:43:01.540 then to them words are merely a means to deceive humans another one that i find funny is they're like

00:43:09.120 you know we like we various human groups share more in common with each other than we do with like

00:43:16.300 other animals or we can interbreed now first of all look at our other humans are are there different

00:43:21.580 species of humans video in that video we point out it's very common for different species to be able

00:43:26.700 to interbreed the the prototypical example that everyone's familiar with is grizzly bears and polar

00:43:31.880 bears can produce grizzly bears and these bears can breed as well it's not that they always produce

00:43:37.140 infertile offspring so no that is not we also point out that they split apart from each other only

00:43:43.020 slightly earlier in the historical record than european populations in the cosine split off from

00:43:48.020 each other which is the distant african population we also point out that video if you're looking at

00:43:51.980 snp closeness while neanderthals did split from the european population earlier we are closer to

00:43:57.040 them in terms of like pure genes like snps than we are to the cosine people and this doesn't mean that

00:44:01.640 the cosine people are bad it doesn't mean that they're less human it doesn't mean that they're in

00:44:04.100 other species it just means that there is a great deal of genetic diversity within humanity yeah but

00:44:08.760 when they're like oh but like we are more related to each other than we are to like chimpanzees or

00:44:12.300 something that's a bit like saying you know humans and kangaroos are more related to each other than

00:44:16.140 either group is to trees that doesn't mean that kangaroos and humans aren't meaningfully different

00:44:21.880 categories of animals right but to continue here because i i one of the points that a lot of people make

00:44:28.340 here is they say well there's more genetic diversity in ethnic groups than between ethnic groups

00:44:33.380 now this is actually a really fuzzy thing so i'll get into the standard retort to it and then i'll get

00:44:40.000 into a better retort to it than even the standard retort to it so the standard retort to it is what is

00:44:45.640 called the lowenotin fallacy so yeah lowenotin analyzed variation locus by locus one gene at a time

00:44:55.100 where differences between groups are indeed small at a single site however genetic differences across

00:45:00.640 populations are correlated due to shared ancestry and history alleles tend to occur in patterns

00:45:07.840 specific to continental or regional groups when you consider multiple loci together e.g. via clustering

00:45:14.440 algorithms like structure these correlations allow highly accurate inference of an individual's

00:45:19.220 ancestral population even though single locus variation is mostly within group in short

00:45:24.820 the more within than between statistic doesn't invalidate population structure or taxonomic

00:45:31.520 classification because it ignores the inform informative correlation structure in full multi-locus

00:45:38.640 genotypes and then even if you're looking at pushback on this many scholars e.g. charles

00:45:43.260 roseman 2021 and ramses withers and adam hoshman have pushed back on this contending that loud

00:45:48.140 lowen himself did not commit this fallacy his argument was specifically about why traditional racial

00:45:53.980 taxonomy isn't justified by the low between group apportionment comparing it to other species

00:46:00.680 not a denial that populations are clustered they are argue that the original person who coined this fallacy

00:46:06.040 mischaracterized loenotin's claim that the two approaches variance versus clustering answer different

00:46:11.860 questions which is funny here because the people who like debunk this they don't debunk it as a

00:46:19.100 explanation against racial clustering they debunk it just saying that the original argument wasn't

00:46:24.840 arguing for or against racial clustering everyone who is educated has always been for that if you're 0.96

00:46:30.620 talking about like genes right like it matters right like when he's like there's no genetic differences

00:46:35.040 one thing i could have jumped into and this was one thing i specifically bit my tongue on was well i

00:46:38.880 mean how do you explain like european populations having neanderthal dna in them and african or some african 0.89

00:46:44.400 populations depending on which one you're looking at having an unnamed hominid species in them and

00:46:48.160 it fairly high amounts not not like super high but like a high minority like 15 or something

00:46:52.620 but for neanderthal you're looking at like three percent to i think 4.5 percent at the highest amount

00:46:57.420 but the point being is that okay that's how you go about this if you're just talking science science

00:47:04.160 science but what if you want to get into an easier way to understand why this is a really bad argument

00:47:08.680 okay so suppose i have two classes of students at a school each class had a different teacher

00:47:16.980 and then but they also studied on their own at home and everything like that and then both classes

00:47:22.340 went to take the sat now if you average the questions that they got wrong on the sat in the same way that

00:47:31.640 if you average like a huge number of people you get a very averagey looking face right

00:47:37.300 those two classes are going to be less distinct from each other than they would be any two people

00:47:44.720 within one class would be from each other right sure yeah two averages of the classes would be less

00:47:49.440 distinct than any individual student within the class that doesn't mean that i cannot look at the

00:47:57.020 individual questions that students within one class got unusually wrong or students within another

00:48:02.980 class got unusually wrong to see where each of the two teachers might have room for improvement

00:48:08.380 or might have been making a mistake in their teaching style like does this get through did that make

00:48:15.280 sense to you simone like have you heard that before did this better i've not heard this argument before

00:48:19.200 but okay so hopefully that that better explains that to you was they gonna say here oh yeah so the

00:48:27.060 final thing here i wanted to go into was the point that started all this in case you're unfamiliar with it

00:48:31.240 was the genetic differences between black and white when i say black and white i mean americans in a

00:48:36.440 medical context right because we do categorize people into black populations in america on medical

00:48:41.440 forms we do categorize people into non-hispanic white populations you do it all the time on medical forms

00:48:46.880 and it is important for medical diagnoses but anyway

00:48:49.760 there is evidence that suggests that genetic differences partially contribute to higher rates of

00:48:57.660 certain fertility complications among black women particularly through conditions like uterine fibroids

00:49:02.600 which are the leading cause of infertility and affect fertility by impairing implantation or causing

00:49:07.560 miscarriages fibroids are a heritable with genome-wide associations gwas identifying genetic variants more

00:49:13.880 prevalent in individuals of african ancestry that increase risk the instance admixture mapping

00:49:20.020 and trans ethnic gwas have shown that higher proportions of african genetic ancestry correlate with elevated fibroid risk

00:49:28.100 and this varies by regional african origin with west african ancestry linked to single fibroids and east african

00:49:34.440 linked to multiple transcropic and dna mesalination analyses also indicate that

00:49:41.180 myano trial tissue in black women may inherently be more susceptible to fibroid development black women are up to three times 1.00

00:49:48.420 more likely to develop fibroids than right women even after adjusting for confounds 0.92

00:49:52.880 which are with earlier onset and more severe symptoms now note here if you're talking and you include

00:49:59.620 differences in terms of health care access and well that matters more to black fertility but doesn't mean

00:50:05.000 that we don't have hard genetic evidence of these fibroid differences right next there is evidence of genetic factors

00:50:12.260 contributing to earlier onset of menopause in black women typically six to twelve months earlier than white women

00:50:18.220 which means around 48 to 50 years versus 50 to 55 years meta analysis of gwas in african women

00:50:26.300 have replicated several genetic loci associating with menopause timing originally identified in european populations

00:50:32.220 such as amhr2 rhbdl2 prim1 hk3 umc1 brsk1 tmem150b and mcm8 differences in allele frequencies

00:50:50.540 between african and european ancestors suggest ancestry specific genetic influences on earlier menopause

00:50:56.220 menopause her credibility is supported by twin studies showing higher concurrence for earlier 0.62

00:51:00.300 menopause and monozygotic twins and common variants also linked to premature ovarian failure risk

00:51:06.140 it may differ by race vascular motor symptoms aging hot flashes also show genetic influences that vary

00:51:12.220 across racial groups note here there this is another instance in which you have a lot of stuff that's not

00:51:16.540 coming from this if you want some studies around this you can look at a multi-stage gene-wide

00:51:20.300 association study of uterine fibroids in african-american women african genetic ancestry

00:51:25.660 interactions with body mass index to modify risk for uterine fibroids genome-wide meta-analysis

00:51:30.700 identifies novel risk loci for uterine fibroids within and across ancestry groups look you can just say

00:51:35.980 that there's a paper you can read it there's a paper no one first guys like i mean unless like i mean

00:51:42.380 obviously everyone should be asking ai with access to medical databases questions about risks that may

00:51:50.620 be unique to their ethnic group yeah ethnic group if you don't have your own polygenic risk scores which

00:51:57.340 you can also just get like that's the thing is i mean we can just go on nebula and look at our

00:52:01.900 polygenic risks like you personally for these things but a great proxy for that if you don't have that data

00:52:08.140 is just being aware of relative risks that your group might have what is in her mouth is there

00:52:14.060 something in her mouth that's her tongue oh it's just her tongue girl i love you turkey but anyway it 1.00

00:52:25.100 was really crazy that went went live and then i think the craziest thing to me is that she was arguing

00:52:33.500 a viewpoint that i've only ever really heard discussed in the context of people talking about

00:52:43.180 racial discrimination in a medical context that is to say like woke people on tiktok making shorts

00:52:51.660 about how it really sucks to be like black or asian or some other like non-white group in the united states 0.99

00:53:00.060 going through the medical system or being a woman because people aren't taking your conditions 1.00

00:53:05.020 seriously because most of the research has been done on white men for example yeah or like a lot

00:53:10.380 of the a lot of the samples that people have built medical standards around are white men this is also

00:53:15.180 something we've discussed in the context of sexuality that like a lot of the original sexual

00:53:19.180 research was done around men and in white men too um and so like a lot of our understanding of

00:53:26.380 sexuality is really limited because it was looking at from or looked at from just one direction and

00:53:31.420 it's just so funny to me that like i what had me flabbergasted was that i was hearing from someone

00:53:37.340 who was broadly progressive this view that i've seen argued against constantly by progressive people

00:53:43.660 so i at first i was shocked because i was like wait that's that's not what you're supposed to be

00:53:50.620 saying that's not what your side says but then i realized she was trying to have this gotcha moment

00:53:55.660 where she wanted to just say she wanted to say that we were trying to argue that people of

00:54:02.540 different ethnic groups have different iqs and are somehow inferior or superior because she's trying 1.00

00:54:08.300 to to imply that we literally say the exact opposite in the clip are white supremacists and the reason why

00:54:13.660 she couldn't actually ask us that as a gotcha was because we very clearly argue that that's not the case

00:54:20.540 and we don't argue that and so she couldn't get us on that because the only thing we've ever said to

00:54:25.740 her point right is that that that black women have different you know fertility issues and windows 1.00

00:54:32.620 than than other groups and that's all she could go on and and that's i i see what she was trying to do

00:54:37.900 she was trying to basically extrapolate from that to imply that we were white supremacists when we're

00:54:44.540 clearly not because she needs to have a straw man to attack what was crazy for us was that i think on

00:54:51.980 our podcast we often like kind of make fun of and and demonize woke people so much that sometimes i

00:54:59.420 just feel like we're making up straw men or like finding the most extreme examples online and being

00:55:03.740 like haha look at them they're funny and then we make fun of them and and but i also like i don't know i

00:55:09.900 i want to make the most charitable interpretation of reality and people and so i'm like but of course

00:55:14.220 no one actually acts like that no one would actually say that in the real world and then

00:55:18.380 like this was an instance of like us just derping through our lives and like literally a straw man

00:55:23.900 like jumps out of a cornfield and bites us and we're like wait what like it's real and that that's

00:55:30.060 what was most crazy about it for me was that maybe maybe this is more common and mainstream than i

00:55:37.020 thought but anyway i love you and i'm glad we're having our podcast again i love you too i i do not

00:55:42.780 think that's what this was for her i think sargan of a cod has a good point that she realizes and she

00:55:49.580 even says it at the end of the interview you know people who like believe what you believe this leads to

00:55:55.740 genocide and everything like that yeah she is letting the cat out of the bag she's saying if i admitted

00:56:01.500 she's basically saying even if what you're saying is right if we admitted this as a society we would

00:56:08.220 be forced to racially segregate people we would be forced to discriminate against people because to

00:56:14.140 admit that there are differences between people always leads to nazism racial segregation everything

00:56:19.580 like that that was the implication of the ending line for her that she thought was this great gotcha

00:56:24.220 line and this is actually what you see in the left which many people point out why does ethnic

00:56:30.300 diversity matter if we're all exactly the same yeah there's so many weird yeah catch 22s like like

00:56:39.020 blank slate ism but also like not having medical discrimination and yeah like your point too anyway

00:56:44.620 she's literally letting that out of the bag in her world view if she admits that jeans code for skin 1.00

00:56:51.740 color the next step like five steps down the road you know slippery slope is nazism yeah anyway 0.59

00:57:00.300 love you to death simone i love you too okay which one do you want is indy happy as a clam sitting with

00:57:09.020 you oh i can't hear you oh smile she's so smug but i i don't think your mic is is plugged in

00:57:21.340 i actually need to get a new mic i'm down to one working mic at this point

00:57:24.380 do you need to oh i got a lot of pain from where my son punched me the first time he punched me full

00:57:30.940 force i'm not mad at him at all we were i was pretending that i was going to leave him outside for

00:57:35.260 krampus because he was being bad and so he fought back and i'm like no you thought you're going to be

00:57:39.740 left outside you don't get something that's called fighting to defend yourself necessary obviously and i'm like

00:57:47.660 but wow that that is quite a hook little guy well you need you need a kid who knows how to fight i

00:57:53.980 it's all they ever do i feel like my my dinner making routine is you know boil water chop vegetables

00:58:01.260 step over the cloud of children that are wrestling on the floor it is it is it's like a tasmanian cartoon

00:58:08.460 or something like actually is i need to get some footage of it like they're just like in a ball like

00:58:13.980 this undulating ball of fighting wrestling children just it's just there it's like a tumbleweed a normal

00:58:20.620 part of the landscape is well that's the way they're with me too is fight me daddy fight me yeah well

00:58:27.020 that's that's the way we raise them that's gonna go anyway you've been jonesing to do an episode

00:58:33.260 again for ages as have i i've missed talking with you we're gonna see if we can make episodes

00:58:39.100 sustainable while we take care of the kids right so that will hugely increase the amount of time we

00:58:44.940 can do episodes but it means i need to have this one with me that'll endy all right but i think she's 0.99

00:58:52.300 into it so hey guys how's it going yeah i will octavian tell me about what you made here

00:59:09.100 so no but explain it to me how does it work

00:59:21.260 yeah yeah

00:59:23.980 yeah

00:59:45.020 um

00:59:50.140 so you can make a huge

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