Based Camp - Who Are We Afraid of Having Too Many Kids？ & The Rise of the Bergens

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. We had a reporting team over at our house from France that are doing a documentary.

00:00:06.820 And they asked people, really nice people. Yeah. They asked a question that I thought was really

00:00:10.700 interesting to us, which was, are you concerned about some groups being like really high fertility

00:00:15.920 or their groups that you want to be lower fertility that scare you in some way? And this

00:00:21.360 is a complicated question because the core answer is no, not really. But it's important to explain

00:00:28.060 why the answer is no, because I think to a lot of people who are aware of, we are genetic realists.

00:00:32.780 Like I realize that there are things that are heredible within human populations. And we do

00:00:38.320 have a level of concern where I'm like, it's not really concern. It's just planning for the future

00:00:42.760 because it's just a truism and there's nothing that can be done about it. That one of the cultural

00:00:47.360 strategies that is very good at maintaining high fertility rates in the world today are cultures

00:00:52.660 that disengage from technology, that engage in practices that make them economically less

00:00:58.060 productive because generally in the developed world, the less wealth you have, the more kids

00:01:01.420 you have, and that maintain their culture intergenerationally with high fidelity, i.e.

00:01:07.140 they don't allow their kids to be deconverted through xenophobia, through dehumanizing other

00:01:11.320 groups. So this cultural strategy has co-evolved across many differentiated cultural groups. You'll see

00:01:17.880 it in some Muslim groups. You'll see it in some Christian groups. You'll see it in some Jewish

00:01:20.600 groups. You'll see it in some Buddhist groups. And invariably, these groups typically have much

00:01:24.280 higher fertility rates than the individuals near them. And so people would think, oh, then

00:01:29.860 what you must want to do is lower the fertility rate of these communities.

00:01:35.100 Would you like to know more?

00:01:37.240 And to me, that only really matters in so far as you live in a socialist system where groups

00:01:45.420 are specifically building hacks that allow a group that is completely economically parasitic

00:01:52.900 to carry high fertility. And in that case, it can be damaging to other individuals and to state

00:01:58.340 structures in a way that is intrinsically unsustainable and will eventually lead to the

00:02:03.400 collapse of the state. So people might hear this and be like, what do you mean? Okay.

00:02:07.040 Imagine hypothetically, there was a country that narrowed a group within it out. And this group

00:02:15.400 was incredibly high fertility, but economically totally unproductive, technologically totally

00:02:22.320 unproductive, and really did nothing to even contribute to the country's military or defensibility,

00:02:29.480 right? This group had tripled the fertility of their neighboring groups. Eventually, they would be

00:02:35.180 the majority population in that country. Then the country intrinsically collapses because that country 1.00

00:02:41.640 then cannot beat. It cannot produce the additional goods and the additional wealth and the additional

00:02:48.820 technology, which is being siphoned by this high fertility community. And so either it ends this system or 0.53

00:02:56.300 it eventually collapses. There is no other alternative. The only other alternative I can think of is some

00:03:01.900 faction within this parasitic community goes, oh shit, we shouldn't be doing this anymore because 0.99

00:03:07.600 this is unsustainable and we're going to be the dominant group. And so we need to start doing things 0.99

00:03:12.320 like start engaging in the military. We need to start engaging more with technological productivity.

00:03:17.540 We need to start working more. But then they're not like that group at all. And typically, even if a

00:03:23.920 faction of this community does end up adopting these practices, fertility-wise, they're going to be

00:03:29.440 outcompeted by the individuals who just did nothing but pump out babies. So it really doesn't work

00:03:34.220 unless you cut the state umbilical cord, which ends up saving everyone. Because even the parasite 0.56

00:03:40.540 ends up dying when the host dies. Yeah. Because no one's going to bankroll the parasite's lifestyle

00:03:45.600 anymore. Yeah. So I do have some concern about communities like that. And they exist within many 0.99

00:03:51.320 countries. Many people might think, oh, you're describing X group in my country. But the group that you

00:03:57.460 are thinking of is probably really focused on your country. And so you will see this as an attack

00:04:04.120 just as, actually, I don't want to name any groups here. I'm just saying, because then people are like,

00:04:09.160 oh, so see, he was talking about that group. But these people exist in France just as much as they

00:04:14.260 exist in the United States, for example. But they're everywhere. So they do pose a threat in that

00:04:20.300 regards. But if you live in a country like the US, where I hope, or any long-term country that's really

00:04:25.800 going to be a player, like long-term in terms of human history, now that humans are super mobile,

00:04:29.640 you're going to be dealing with countries that are much lower weight, i.e. they do not have these big

00:04:35.580 state welfare systems. And so they might only be charter cities where you end up getting people

00:04:40.560 attracted to. But they will be countries that are much lower weight. In those countries, when you have

00:04:45.420 sort of true capitalism, I'm really not concerned about these groups at all, at all. And people are

00:04:50.400 like, whoa, whoa, why aren't you concerned about them? Because they're going to have such high

00:04:53.340 populations in the future. And the answer is, in a future where these communities, and you do see

00:04:58.320 this within these communities, are intergenerationally getting dumber. They're selecting for a lower IQ 0.98

00:05:03.740 within their community because the individuals that are higher IQ are more pro-social, typically get

00:05:07.540 deconverted from these communities at higher rates. They're getting dumber intergenerationally, 0.98

00:05:12.220 and they're getting more technophobic, both biological, like a genetic level, and at a cultural level 0.99

00:05:16.860 intergenerationally. They are not a threat to families that are, through genetic alteration,

00:05:24.460 becoming more. And my kids will have technology we can't even dream of. So you're talking three

00:05:28.380 or four generations down the line, likely three or four standard deviations IQ higher than the average

00:05:33.500 person today. And with automated, as I say, like AI kill drones, they are not afraid of people who are

00:05:40.380 coming at them with sticks and AKs. And this technological gap is widening. And it's one of

00:05:50.060 the things we're actually already seeing in society today. And this is where I wanted to talk about

00:05:55.100 something that you noticed, Simone. So there were two environments we went to recently. One is a secret

00:06:02.780 society. It's called Dialogue. She used to be managing director of it. It was originally founded by Peter Thiel

00:06:06.700 and Arne Hoffman. And it's a great group. It's for like, when I say secret society, it's an invitation

00:06:11.100 only event for people who are seen that's likely to influence the future of the human race.

00:06:15.820 Or who already do. There are different subsets.

00:06:17.980 Or who already do. Yeah, there's different. So this was one environment we were at. And then in

00:06:21.820 another environment we were at, we went to Vegas for a conference. And so we were hanging around like

00:06:26.460 the typical type of person who goes to Vegas and stays at a Vegas hotel. Can you talk about the

00:06:31.020 differences in behavioral patterns you noticed in these two communities?

00:06:34.140 Yeah, it was so interesting. So I need to always be moving, meaning that I need to go to a gym every

00:06:41.020 morning if I can't walk around the streets. And in both instances, when we were at Dialogue,

00:06:44.860 we were in the middle of the desert most recently. And when we were at this conference in Vegas,

00:06:48.940 we were in Vegas. So at five in the morning, I'm not going to walk around the streets of Vegas.

00:06:52.540 So I look for a gym. In Vegas, there were no gyms open, at least at the hotels where we were. And I

00:06:59.420 actually walked to other hotels and tried to say that I was a guest there and asked them where their

00:07:03.260 gyms were. And they're like, oh yeah, our gym doesn't open until 9am, which is insane. Like

00:07:08.220 at Paris, I asked that. I walked over to Paris after our hotel didn't open. People just weren't

00:07:15.020 out, weren't up. These are not people who wake up in the morning and go work out, not in Vegas.

00:07:18.940 Nobody was like out around jogging. No one was.

00:07:21.180 No, you go to the Dialogue. So then you go to the gym.

00:07:23.740 Yeah, I went to Dialogue at the hotel gym in the morning. Every single morning,

00:07:28.540 the gym is packed. And I'm getting up at 4.30 to go work out in the morning. And it is packed

00:07:36.300 full of other dialoguers and only people from the conference, mind you. Like anyone else in the hotel,

00:07:41.180 if there was any, they certainly weren't there. And these people are simultaneously, just like me,

00:07:46.620 on their phones, doing work, checking in, having short, but very professional chit chat sessions

00:07:52.380 with people as they come in and leave and actually working out pretty freaking hard. Like doing full,

00:07:57.740 this is my weight regimen. This is whatever. It's not just like faffing about. And it was such a

00:08:02.460 difference in selection there where you could really see. And I brought this up to Malcolm and just,

00:08:07.740 I was like, you can't experience these different selective bottleneck kind of areas or zones in the

00:08:15.020 United States and not start to think that we're speciating. Because when we just walked down the

00:08:19.900 streets in Las Vegas, the way people looked, the way people moved, the way people talked was so

00:08:26.700 different from an event like Dialogue. It's like these people wouldn't know how to interact if they

00:08:32.780 wanted to. I want to elevate what Simone is saying here. There were noticeable physiological differences

00:08:41.340 between these two populations that were much larger than the physiological differences I see

00:08:47.980 between ethnic groups. Oh, 100%. Yeah, no, no. This makes ethnicity, the concept of ethnicity, a joke. 0.77

00:08:54.700 And keep in mind, in all of these, like in Vegas, you have tourists as one of the top tourist

00:08:59.020 destinations in the world. You have people from all around the world, just like at Dialogue. They're

00:09:05.020 very careful to try to be with the society as inclusive and diverse as possible. So you have

00:09:09.820 every different type of group, but there is definitely like a clear cluster of what these

00:09:15.180 people are. And I have a word that I want to use for this other group, okay? Okay.

00:09:20.060 Bergens. So in the Trolls movie, there's this villainous race that then becomes good guys,

00:09:27.020 but these people, when I looked at them, like the average gambler- The average Vegas visitor or the

00:09:32.780 average dialoger? The average Vegas visitor. Okay.

00:09:35.660 Look like a Bergen. And I'll put some videos on the screen here and people will be like,

00:09:41.180 Oh, I know the type of person you're talking about. I know the Bergens. I've seen the Bergens.

00:09:46.780 I'm looking this up because I don't watch Bergen. Trolls. And I will make it.

00:10:02.140 Bridget, you still have time to run for it.

00:10:05.020 Oh God. Okay. So it's, it's a rotund troll, like actually troll-ish looking troll with bad teeth,

00:10:13.020 somewhat malformed, but also meticulously styled in a way where they think that they have a look, 0.98

00:10:18.700 but it's a gross look, trashy.

00:10:22.620 And so what was interesting to me about this difference is something that you highlighted

00:10:27.260 here. And it's something that you see in the data already is that the middle income group is a

00:10:32.460 really low fertility group. By the way, if you're wondering what people look like at dialogue,

00:10:35.660 like us, I guess I'd say like they look, and this is true across ethnicities, right?

00:10:41.020 They look healthy, fit, but not in a muscular or hyper, either hyper-masculine or hyper-feminine way,

00:10:49.100 just like that kind of Silicon Valley venture capitalist, like lean, healthy way for the most part,

00:10:54.300 but not too lean and not too thick, just right. Because they're all very optimized. They're extremely

00:11:00.300 optimized. And they also do not dress. They do not dress in a showy way. They do not dress

00:11:06.060 in a sloppy way. They dress in the most inconspicuous, but you know it when you see it

00:11:11.340 way. Yeah. Yeah. I guess I say, look up a picture of what venture capitalists look like,

00:11:16.300 and you'll immediately know this crowd, right? Yeah. Like Mark Zuckerberg, that kind of look where

00:11:20.940 it's, you wouldn't know unless... And when you talk about speciation, one really interesting thing is,

00:11:26.380 and I've talked about this before, there's two ways that speciation ends up happening

00:11:30.300 within a species. You either get geographic isolation, like a river flows between them,

00:11:35.180 genetically isolating the populations that previously weren't genetically isolated,

00:11:39.580 or like continents drift apart, or you get behavioral speciation isolation. In behavioral

00:11:43.980 isolation, something changes. You get a mutation that changes that leads to portions of the population

00:11:50.140 to begin to genetically isolate themselves. And this would be like one group becomes nocturnally active,

00:11:55.420 and the other group isn't nocturnally active, and so never awake at the same time when they would

00:12:00.060 mate, or they build different mating practices. And we have to think this is exactly what is

00:12:04.860 happening with these groups. Keep in mind, we'll say the dialoger group, they're going to elite

00:12:09.900 universities where they're only mixing with and meeting with other people. Then they're going to

00:12:14.140 elite businesses where they're only mixing with and meeting with specific people who also into the

00:12:19.100 elite universities who also have these really high credentials and insanely high levels of

00:12:23.020 conscientiousness. And then on the flip side, you have this other group of people that is mixing

00:12:28.860 with an entirely different population. So there is no, there's no touching. There's no touching.

00:12:34.300 No, but you see this in the data. If you look at fertility rates, the two high fertility groups are 0.96

00:12:39.660 the incredibly wealthy and the incredibly poor. And then in the middle, you have nothing breeding.

00:12:44.220 That, where you have that U right there in a graph, that is behavioral isolation. Historically

00:12:50.380 speaking, the behavioral isolation wasn't that bad because you didn't have child support,

00:12:55.580 but universally enforced child support increases behavioral isolation because people stop meeting

00:13:01.420 with out-groups. And this is what we talked about. You're not going to get the genetic drift

00:13:04.940 between the incredibly economically successful population to the rest of the population, which

00:13:09.660 historically you would have. Yeah, I guess what's, what needs to happen was like some men from, 1.00

00:13:15.020 we'll say the dialogue group would sleep with some women from the Vegas group. Yeah. 1.00

00:13:21.580 To better understand the sex addiction outbreak, we've been running tests on chimpanzees.

00:13:27.180 You can see that this entire community of specimens are getting along normally,

00:13:30.460 some pairing off others on their own, but now see this chimp here, an average normal adult male 1.00

00:13:35.740 blending in seamlessly with the others. Now watch, we're going to give it a lot of money.

00:13:40.940 Go ahead. My God. Yes.

00:13:47.580 They'd have some fun in Vegas. They'd have a kid and then whatever, they'd have several kids.

00:13:52.620 But now those men are just polyamorous and only still sleeping with, and not having kids with,

00:13:59.260 other very high power women who are also willing to be polyamorous or unwittingly polyamorous as was 1.00

00:14:05.980 the case with Andrew Huberman and that big New York Times explosion. It came out that he was

00:14:12.220 simultaneously dating all these high power women. So that's more what's happening now. There's not 0.80

00:14:16.620 that, that, that mixing in between the groups, which yeah, you're right, makes it even more profound

00:14:22.460 and more of an echo chamber. Yeah. And I think another thing that you mentioned here,

00:14:25.820 which I thought was really interesting is that these groups wouldn't know how to talk to each other

00:14:30.700 if they met, which is the practices like gambling, for example. I do not understand why you would do

00:14:37.420 something where you have a net negative utility outcome. No, see, I disagree. Like a lot of these,

00:14:42.140 the people in this group have their poker groups. They love, they freaking love poker.

00:14:46.620 Poker is such a thing. But Simone, keep in mind that is not the same thing.

00:14:51.740 Yeah. It's not slot machines. No, it's not the same thing at all. It doesn't have a net negative utility

00:14:56.460 outcome. So if you are playing poker with a group of friends, that has a net neutral utility outcome

00:15:02.460 because you don't have the house. I see. Yeah. Because yeah, yeah. Like the people we know

00:15:07.820 in our circles who gamble do so in poker tournaments or among groups of friends and not at casinos.

00:15:13.740 Yeah. For the most part. So consider the difference in that behavioral pattern here, right? Yeah.

00:15:18.700 But even like the things that they engage with, the ways that you would talk to them,

00:15:24.140 you are increasingly getting behavioral isolation between these communities.

00:15:27.820 Mm-hmm.

00:15:29.020 And I should note- It's becoming every year more irreconcilable.

00:15:31.580 Yeah. I am not saying this is a good thing. I am not saying I want this for society.

00:15:37.100 Mm-hmm. I think it could be a pretty bad thing.

00:15:40.940 I think it's a terrible thing. And you know where else you can see it these days, and this is

00:15:45.660 so pronounced, is when you look at streaming platforms. And then there's this like huge segment

00:15:50.620 of shows where you're like, I don't get it. Who is watching this? Which is really interesting.

00:15:56.620 Yeah. No, I know. If you want to see what we mean when we talk about this, go on YouTube and sort for

00:16:00.940 most of you.

00:16:02.140 Or go on YouTube.

00:16:04.060 It does not make sense to the type of person who watch our channel.

00:16:08.060 Yeah.

00:16:08.380 It would be like, I don't, like, what are these? Why would somebody watch people like rolling a tire

00:16:15.340 around? What, what, who is this appealing to? And people are like, oh, this is for children.

00:16:20.300 And you're like, yeah, but clearly not all of this is children. Like, how are these getting these most

00:16:24.780 viewed statuses? Um, and as a result, I am concerned for these communities. I am concerned

00:16:32.140 for their place in the future of the species. If they continue to genetically isolate, like that's a

00:16:37.100 going forward 500 years, a scary thing. We may be able to resolve any sort of long-term damage that

00:16:43.580 comes from this through genetic technology.

00:16:46.780 Wouldn't you say those groups are concerned about us that we are these unfeeling on a pencil

00:16:51.900 neck glasses wearing. These are the people who also see what we care about and what we value

00:16:57.820 and are horrified. I don't know.

00:17:00.700 Yeah. Um, I can see why, but I'd say it's like functionally, these groups aren't threatening to us,

00:17:08.860 but I guess we are threatening to them. And this is always here.

00:17:13.180 One of the individuals on YouTube is like, humanity is going to divide into the cyborgs

00:17:18.460 and the traditionalists. And he said, the cyborgs will try to stamp out the traditionalists.

00:17:22.780 And I'm like, why would the cyborgs try to stamp out the traditionalists? The traditionalists are

00:17:27.740 not threats to the cyborgs. The cyborgs are threats to the traditionalists. The traditionalists

00:17:33.260 need the cyborgs to not come to exist if they want to maintain economic and political power,

00:17:38.860 because as the cyborgs come to exist, they will control an increasing amount of wealth. And even

00:17:44.140 if they are isolated into a few city states, right, they still will control so much of the world's

00:17:50.460 industry that they will have most of the negotiating power and most of the world's political deals.

00:17:57.020 And the cyborgs really don't concern themselves with the non-cyborgs. They just aren't that relevant

00:18:04.620 in so far, except in so far as those groups say, you are a threat and I will work to stamp you out.

00:18:10.460 And in that case, you're like, okay, either we need to move to a position where we're protected from

00:18:14.860 those groups, or we need to, but I don't see any reason to outwardly project or do anything that would

00:18:21.580 make us threatening to those groups. And again, we do not see these as groups that should not be

00:18:27.740 reproducing. As far as I'm concerned, aside from what you pointed out about certain groups that

00:18:32.700 will cause political instability and their own society and their own group to fall because of

00:18:37.420 the way that they're living, the only people that we don't want reproducing are the people who don't 0.90

00:18:42.140 want to reproduce. If you don't want to have kids and if you don't want kids and you don't feel like you

00:18:46.460 can raise kids and that you're going to hate them and that whatever, don't have kids. That's, it's so

00:18:51.260 simple. Someone commented on our video or one of our videos recently saying something along the lines

00:18:56.780 of I'm going to make the world a better place by not having kids. And I'm like, yes, you are. That's

00:19:00.220 perfect. Exactly. Yeah. Probably is. It's something that is, it's interesting. You're talking about

00:19:05.740 this whole pencil neck aesthetic and everything like that. When you're like, how could these pencil

00:19:10.460 neck nerdy strategies possibly compete with other strategies? Right? So a community that

00:19:19.580 traditionally went through the pencil neck strategy was the Jewish community. You look 1.00

00:19:23.500 at the cultural stereotypes. The OG pencil necks. If you look at like the South Park descriptions of

00:19:28.140 Jews, like the Jewish stereotypes, it's like, like nerdy, can't play sport and everything like that. 1.00

00:19:33.180 Oh, well, I grew up in the city. I really don't care for it. I come from a Jewish family, which of 0.96

00:19:37.740 course you already know because Kyle's from the same family.

00:19:40.460 I like to read and I have these polyps on the backs of my hands. I don't know what they are.

00:19:45.020 Oh, and I hope one day to be an investment banker. I wouldn't dust all that are available. I usually

00:19:49.980 prefer the plastic ones because these give me splinters. I realize we're in the mountains,

00:19:54.940 but do we have to freeze today? Now, Kyle, I need you to be quiet. In my class,

00:19:58.460 you need to be able to concentrate. Concentration is the key to succeeding to my class. Maybe we'll have

00:20:03.820 to send him to concentration camp. Ah, damn it. Damn it. Damn it. Cut me out. 1.00

00:20:08.380 Oh, my. I haven't seen a Jew run like that since Poland 1938. Dude. 1.00

00:20:13.500 Okay. And yet, you look at the Yom Kippur wars or something like that where they

00:20:18.060 stomp forces that are much larger than them. I think people, when they remember the Yom Kippur 0.64

00:20:25.260 war, they are thinking of Israel today with its military today being up against its neighbors.

00:20:32.620 And Israel today, yeah, it has a ton of money that has gone into its militaries. The very modernized

00:20:38.620 military fighting force. That was not true at the time of the Nam Kippur war. The invading armies

00:20:43.900 outnumbered the Israelis at a ratio of 100 to 1 in manpower and 10 to 1 in armor and artillery.

00:20:52.140 And since the bulk of the Israeli army is made up as reservists, it took two days for them to mobilize

00:20:57.660 and deploy. To give you an example of one specific phalanque that they were dealing with, in the south,

00:21:03.100 the numbers were even more lopsided. Five Egyptian infantry divisions was nearly

00:21:07.980 100,000 soldiers, 1,300 tanks, and 2,000 artillery pieces, launched themselves across the Suez Canal

00:21:16.700 against just some 450 poorly trained Israeli reservists. And they were being attacked from

00:21:25.020 all sides at once. It was a surprise, so they didn't know this was happening, and all of the

00:21:29.580 sides that were attacking them had plenty of time to prepare, and they stomped them. We'll never get

00:21:35.100 over people who say that Israel should give back land that they took during that war. No,

00:21:39.740 they won that land fair and square. The idiots who attacked them lost it fair and square. 1.00

00:21:44.940 Look at the impact they have on the geopolitical landscape today. They stomp even much larger, 1.00

00:21:50.060 much bigger powers. You look at groups that outnumber them, that come and attack them,

00:21:56.060 and these other groups are all about strengths, and they're from cultures. They're all about how tough 1.00

00:21:59.820 you are and everything like that. And they just get smashed by a culture that was selecting for

00:22:05.660 pencil neck nerds. Like why? Because it turns out that in the world of technology, how good you are

00:22:12.300 at fighting. We had an episode recently that touched on some of these topics on like the cultures that

00:22:16.380 Andrew Tate is from and that he tries to elevate about how you want to be like the toughest person.

00:22:20.940 It's like how tough you are doesn't matter when your opponent is an automated drone with a gun on it,

00:22:26.940 or worse, a gene engineered virus that is sterilizing populations that have outwardly threatened their

00:22:34.620 neighbors. We are entering a world where your fists just don't matter that much anymore.

00:22:52.620 And we've already entered that world to an extent. So to act why I am

00:22:56.860 not concerned about these communities and why I think it is always a bad idea to try to

00:23:03.180 limit fertility of groups that you disagree with, it is, I guess it's a thing, right? If I came from

00:23:08.540 a different culture and my strategy was different, if I was taking a traditionalist, technophobic

00:23:13.260 strategy, the way I beat my neighbors is by sterilizing them. If you're taking a, because you're going to be

00:23:21.260 at the same tech level as these other people and so then it's the bigger number wins, right? But if you're

00:23:27.580 going with any sort of a pluralistic strategy that is incredibly technophilic, you, the last thing you

00:23:33.660 want to do is to try to sterilize other groups that are taking different strategies. Because that makes 0.95

00:23:38.780 you a threat to those groups, which makes wiping you out necessary for those groups.

00:23:43.100 Well, but also if you're trying to wipe out those groups, you're eliminating the very thing that you

00:23:47.980 value, which is the kind of perspective.

00:23:49.420 Which is the diversity within the human population.

00:23:52.060 I think that the strategy that I am adopting and that will end up winning, will end up winning.

00:23:57.500 And I can be provably wrong here, right? That's the thing.

00:24:00.380 Yeah. If the strategy that we are raising our kids within is not economically productive,

00:24:06.460 is not technophilic, is not really engaged with technology, if it turns out that engaging with

00:24:11.260 technology doesn't give groups in the future an enormous industrial and military advantage,

00:24:17.580 then my key theses are wrong and my group deserves to go extinct, right?

00:24:23.580 Yeah. And so also those who think that we're taking a dumb approach or who do not like what we're 0.96

00:24:28.060 doing, don't worry. If you think we're going to fail, then there's nothing wrong with us because

00:24:33.100 we're going to fail and we won't be a problem for you.

00:24:36.460 Yeah.

00:24:37.020 Everyone wins.

00:24:39.580 Everyone wins. Yeah.

00:24:40.940 And I think that this is, God, I don't remember what I was going to say here.

00:24:44.540 Do you have any further thoughts on this?

00:24:46.460 I would point out just one, one additional thing is anyone who believes that there are certain

00:24:52.700 groups that should not be reproducing is truly by definition, a eugenicist because they believe

00:24:59.500 in coercive population level adjustments to certain groups. And we are actually quite against

00:25:07.980 eugenics. So there's that. I would just add, it's just not something that we believe in.

00:25:15.340 And in the end, I think anyone, people, I think also often, maybe I'm taking a dumb direction with

00:25:21.500 this, but they associate some form of social or cultural Darwinism with eugenics as well of let

00:25:28.540 the fittest survive, blah, blah, blah. But you can't have real evolution when you are artificially

00:25:37.580 messing with a system. So anyone who actually believes in evolution or actually wants the fittest

00:25:44.220 to win should not be intervening because only physics, only like literally the technical

00:25:53.340 mechanical limits on reality have the right, have dominion to determine who is fit and who is not.

00:26:02.060 You as a human do not have that right.

00:26:06.460 Yeah, no, I couldn't agree more. And this is what really disgusts me was Europeans laws that limit 0.99

00:26:11.260 reproductive choice in order to sterilize groups like us. Because as one reporter in Europe,

00:26:16.940 they were like, if you do this in X many generations, one of your children are much

00:26:20.140 smarter than everyone else. And it's like, why is that a problem? Our smart people today,

00:26:24.540 would our country be better off if we just didn't have the inventor of penicillin? If we didn't have

00:26:33.420 Einstein, if we didn't like, does society get better when you get rid of all the smart people?

00:26:38.060 Everyone is better off if you have some group that is ultra intelligent,

00:26:41.900 so long as that group doesn't have a mindset that they want to get rid of people who are

00:26:45.820 different from them. And I think that fundamentally shows how this urban monoculture has been able to

00:26:51.100 maintain the harmony it maintains is by acting as if everyone really is exactly the same.

00:26:57.740 And through acting that way, through acting as if there's no real differences in any individual,

00:27:02.540 they're able to keep this cultural detente. And when we talk about things like genetic selection,

00:27:07.420 like we do as our kids, and they project that forwards, they're like, oh, that could create

00:27:11.660 humans that are so different from other humans that our system of just pretending like everyone's 1.00

00:27:17.740 actually the same won't work anymore. How does society work then? And it's like, oh,

00:27:23.900 I have a great idea. How about like, we accept and value diversity? That thing that you've been

00:27:29.020 telling everyone that you were doing, but you never were actually doing, because

00:27:33.100 everyone benefits in that system. Both the super intelligent, they benefit because no one is

00:27:40.060 trying to threaten them, right? And everyone else because of the technology and the industry that the,

00:27:46.140 because keep in mind, what is industry? People hear industry and they say factories. Industry is you

00:27:50.940 having a diversity of food on your plates. Industry is your grandparents not dying when they get old

00:27:56.540 because there's no money. Like when people hear about like industry or economics, what they think

00:28:03.020 is, oh, they're just talking about wealth. And then we're talking about people not starving to death.

00:28:07.420 Okay. We're talking about the United States not turning into a Haiti. Most of the metropolitan area

00:28:12.860 is controlled by around 150 criminal groups, which the government has failed to stop. Their members

00:28:19.580 terrorize the population for kidnapping, murder, sexual violence, looting, and burning down homes.

00:28:26.540 According to the United Nations, criminal groups killed over 2,000 people and kidnapped more than

00:28:32.220 1,000 others during the first half of 2023. Almost 200,000 people have fled their homes since 2022

00:28:40.380 due to violence. Many lack access to adequate food, water, shelter, education, health care,

00:28:47.500 and other basic services. Oh, and don't even come at me with that nonsense that Haiti is only poor

00:28:52.540 because it had an unfair loan. You know what other country had an unfair large loan it had to play?

00:28:57.900 Yeah. Germany. Okay. You don't get to just pull out that card when it fits your narrative.

00:29:04.220 Okay. You can look at something like Haiti and I think it was 89% of college grads would

00:29:09.500 immigrate out of the country. You do that for three or four generations, ignore the genetics. Just 0.97

00:29:14.060 culturally, you're in a horrible situation that was almost guaranteed to end where it's ended.

00:29:19.660 That is what happens when you strip industry from society. So we wrote a piece

00:29:25.100 for Aporia and the most, and we were like, we were talking about our solution and the religious

00:29:29.580 thing that we were building. And the most common criticism of that piece was why does industry

00:29:35.980 matter for your culture? Like why do you care so much about technophilia and industry as a cultural

00:29:41.340 group? Why is it important to keep that intergenerational? Why not just go back to one of these older systems

00:29:47.180 and fix fertility rates by disengaging from technology and industry? And the answer

00:29:53.340 to me was just so obvious. I don't know how they didn't see it.

00:29:56.460 If you are a technologically or industrially unproductive group, you live at the whims and

00:30:05.740 privilege of your neighbors.

00:30:07.340 The owners of this country are high fertility, but they are only allowed to maintain their 1.00

00:30:13.020 culture and their cultural strategy because their neighbors have decided to allow them to do it.

00:30:18.460 Yeah, they live entirely at the whims of the U.S. government and in general,

00:30:23.180 voters being okay with them living their lives the way they do.

00:30:26.220 Exactly. Having cultural autonomy is completely dependent on your level of industry and technophilia

00:30:38.380 when contrasted with neighboring populations. So if you find a cultural strategy that keeps your

00:30:45.340 fertility rate high, and it is not within the global ecosystem, on par with or greater than other

00:30:53.260 systems in terms of technological output or industrial output, you will eventually be living

00:31:01.660 at the whim of somebody else. Somebody else saying, I will allow you to keep living the way you're living.

00:31:07.260 Yeah, and I think there are plenty of historical examples that people can look at

00:31:10.940 of groups that were permitted to exist because they provided useful products and services for the

00:31:18.540 rest of society that society was like, I'm not going to mess with them because I want that stuff.

00:31:22.220 I want, I need that thing. Yeah. It is interesting to me that people could be so blind to the utility

00:31:32.380 of industry and technophilia. And it's also why when I look at these groups that are like, no,

00:31:36.860 just be tough. Just go back to old masculine things and ungabunga your way through. It's okay,

00:31:42.860 ungabungas. You may exist in the future, but you will live at the whims of the cyborgs, 0.99

00:31:50.940 as the one person calls at the whims of the people who through technological engagement and

00:31:58.140 willingness to try to intergenerationally improve you. And, and I hope when what the

00:32:04.220 pronatalist movement is really about is creating an alliance of those technophilic and industrial

00:32:08.860 productive cultural groups so that we do not hinder each other's goals and that we can create,

00:32:15.820 you know, what we call the covenant of the children of man, an alliance among us that we will never

00:32:22.140 impose our values on the other groups that we will never, uh, even if we disagree with them,

00:32:30.860 whether they take some, you know, incredibly technophobic stance and they go back to a really

00:32:36.060 old way of living like Amish or whatever like that. I never want my descendants threatening a group like 1.00

00:32:41.980 the Amish, which are one of no threat to us to do not live off of the state infrastructure at all.

00:32:48.780 They are, they don't even like take like welfare. They don't take, they are almost the ideal,

00:32:55.020 I would say technophobic cultural group, because the only way that they are parasitic is in relying on

00:33:01.900 not engaging with the draft and not engaging with the military. And even then I would just say,

00:33:06.300 then just don't bother them. Don't bother them. It's really important to me that the winning group,

00:33:10.780 the people who comes out of this as this industrial and scientifically productive group

00:33:15.900 has pluralism so ingrained in who they are that they never go and try to stamp out the others.

00:33:22.860 And why is that important? Why is that existentially important? Because if you don't ingrain that in them,

00:33:28.060 if you allow racists or supremacists to come into this community and one faction of them becomes

00:33:35.580 smarter than the faction that I'm a part of, i.e. they end up having better genetic technology or

00:33:41.820 better technological technology, and they end up a few standard deviations smarter than my descendants,

00:33:46.620 then they'll decide that my descendants need to go. Because if they, right now, if you look down on

00:33:51.260 other ethnic groups due to maybe marginal differences in various proficiencies, if those

00:33:58.300 differences became actually large and meaningful through technological engagement, those individuals

00:34:06.220 are going to look at my descendants the way that they looked at, unless my descendants happen to be in

00:34:10.300 the most winning of winning groups, which I think is an unrealistic expectation of the way that they

00:34:16.220 look at other ethnic groups today, which is why we have to be like the one area we cannot really 1.00

00:34:23.260 brudge on the pro natalist alliance is not allowing these individuals in. Because as they become

00:34:30.780 technologically and genetically uplifted, they become a threat to everyone else. If they have any of these

00:34:38.940 sort of pre-encoded, either culturally or in any other capacity, beliefs about certain groups

00:34:45.980 being superior to other groups and having the right to impose their value systems on other cultural

00:34:50.620 groups. There you have it, Malcolm. Love you to death, Simone. I love you, too.

00:34:59.420 Okay, I'm going to get the kids up for now.

Based Camp - May 07, 2024

Who Are We Afraid of Having Too Many Kids？ & The Rise of the Bergens

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