Based Camp - Why are Muslims So Poor？ (How Did Islam Go From Running the World to Poverty？)

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone! Today, we are going to be asking a question, and I really do not know how to word

00:00:07.100 this. Why are Muslims so poor? Why don't you get a job? If you're so hungry, why don't you get a

00:00:20.000 job? Get a goddamn job, Al. You got a negative attitude. That's what's stopping you. You got

00:00:26.420 to get your act together. But somebody may look at this and be like, that's a silly question,

00:00:31.920 you know? Obviously, Muslim regions of the world were never wealthy, and colonialism, and the

00:00:38.500 Muslims are coming from poor countries, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, except none of those things

00:00:44.180 actually explain the question at hand, because in fact, at the year 1000, the Muslim empires were

00:00:53.080 probably, by a pretty easy margin, the wealthiest place in the world. They made up 10% of global GDP.

00:01:03.800 Baghdad had between half a million and a million inhabitants around the year 1000, so that was

00:01:08.720 larger than any city in Western Europe. And then what about Western Europe? Well, the largest city

00:01:14.380 in Western Europe at the time was actually an Islamic city, Cordoba, which is in present-day Spain,

00:01:19.940 which had around half a million people living in it. Wow. They also were so OP in the sciences,

00:01:27.400 you know, not just like inventing irrigation or more modern irrigation, algebra, modern medicine,

00:01:33.160 but they were so OP in the sciences that Western European authors, when they would write in the

00:01:39.320 sciences, would write under fake Islamic names so that people would take their work seriously.

00:01:47.940 Nice. Which I just find absolutely hilarious. And so for some of these old texts, we don't actually

00:01:54.200 know if they were written by European scholars or Islamic scholars, because all the European scholars

00:01:58.880 had to write under Muslim names, because everyone just knew it, like Muslim science better. And this is

00:02:03.400 where you get, you know, the owl prefix, that's algebra, is alchemy, which is basically chemistry of

00:02:07.700 that period. But, and if you're like, oh, colonialism, but by the 1700s, the Islamic world's share of the

00:02:14.940 GDP had dropped from 10% to just 2.2%. And that was well before the era of colonialism.

00:02:22.060 Okay.

00:02:23.040 So you can't blame this on colonialism. Something happened in between the year 1000 and the year

00:02:29.800 17,000, which turned Islam from the global superpower cultural group, both in terms of technological

00:02:38.940 output and in terms of economic output to a backwater. And some individuals might say, well,

00:02:47.400 but, but, but, you know, the European tradition is based on a much older, you know, like they,

00:02:57.360 they, they go, can go all the way back to classical Greece and they just have an older tradition to

00:03:01.700 draw from. Right. Or, or they could argue that, well, Christianity maybe has an older tradition

00:03:06.340 to draw from, but the problem is that the Muslim world happens to have grown out of where Mesopotamia

00:03:12.940 and Egypt, much older traditions to draw from. You have the Persian empire, which was in many ways

00:03:20.960 significantly more advanced than the Greek empire. I mean, that's what makes the Greco-Persian

00:03:26.740 Wars, for me, the most interesting period in history is you have this conflict that it's

00:03:33.080 this existential conflict between two regions that are superpowers in totally unique and different

00:03:38.760 ways. And, and it, it, it plays out so well. It's like a RPG where, you know, like when, okay,

00:03:46.080 when Starcraft came out in terms of like resource management RPGs, that was like the first time I

00:03:50.560 really remember playing one of those where like the different races that you could play as actually

00:03:55.840 had like totally unique units to them. And in most of the other periods in history, when you're

00:04:02.120 looking at wars or something like that, it is broadly similar units against broadly similar units.

00:04:07.860 But when you go to the Greco-Persian war, you are dealing with totally different

00:04:12.500 civilizational structures and totally different. It's like as different as the Terran and the Protoss.

00:04:17.060 Like it is, it is, it is fascinating to me that this ever happened in human history and we can

00:04:22.620 get to relive this. And I might do other lectures on that. So it is a meaningful effing question to

00:04:27.620 ask. All right. But I will point something out to start, which might go against with some

00:04:35.000 individual things. So if you're looking within the United States, first of all, Muslims, when you're

00:04:39.560 talking about poverty levels do fall into poverty levels at slightly higher rates than other groups,

00:04:44.680 specifically 33% of American Muslims have a total household income of under 30,000. That is

00:04:50.600 compared to 12% of Jews, 20% of Catholics, 21% was in white evangelicals. So it is higher than those

00:04:58.020 groups. But that said, all Muslims, at least within the United States are largely a middle-class group.

00:05:05.380 So I will go over some other statistics from the, the core reason that they're actually lower income

00:05:10.180 in the United States is because a few things. One, they are on average younger with 35% between 18 and

00:05:16.360 29 compared to 21% of the general population and younger people tend to have lower incomes. They

00:05:21.920 are largely immigrants. Many Muslims are recent immigrants, which can impact lower incomes. And

00:05:27.700 among American Muslims, black Muslims in particular report lower incomes was 41% earning lower than $30,000

00:05:35.140 annually. And again, this isn't because black people intrinsically earn less. We will do another

00:05:40.560 video on why black people in the U S earn less. That is really interesting and might subvert some of

00:05:45.500 your expectations around this because well, I don't want to, I don't want to give away too many spoilers,

00:05:52.220 but the stats are actually really interesting. If you go in them with a non-woke, but also non-biased

00:05:58.220 perspective, and then it, it all sort of falls into place and it sort of paints the wokies as the primary

00:06:03.280 bad guys and why the African-American income is so low, but education, Muslim educational attainment

00:06:09.360 in the United States is similar to other American groups. And the 2007 Pew research found that Muslim

00:06:14.720 American income levels generally mirrored the general public. So for example, 14% of Muslims

00:06:20.640 reported a household income of a hundred thousand or more compared to 16% of the overall U S 40% of

00:06:26.400 Muslim Americans reported family incomes between 30 and 100,000 compared to 48% of the general public.

00:06:32.240 And yeah, so just generally speaking in the survey actually says, quote, uh, Muslim Americans have

00:06:38.400 a general, so, so not only are Muslims generally around the average American income if a little

00:06:44.560 lower because you'd expect it because they're young and mostly immigrants. So in the United States,

00:06:49.280 Muslims are generally comparable with the rest of the population, which again is going to bring us to a

00:06:55.600 more pointed question. Why then are Muslim majority countries so low income on average? Now we might be

00:07:04.160 able to begin to see a few signs of what might be causing this when we look at countries other than

00:07:08.880 America with large Muslim immigrant populations like the United Kingdom. In 2018, only 55% of Muslims 16 to

00:07:16.480 64 were employed compared to 70.9% of the overall population. And this is particularly, or specifically,

00:07:23.600 because of Muslim women in the United Kingdom, uh, which had really bad unemployment rates with 70%

00:07:29.440 out of employment compared to 27% of Christian women. And when employed in the UK, Muslims tend

00:07:35.360 to have lower earnings than any of the other religious groups. And in 2018, Muslim employees

00:07:39.840 had the lowest median hourly earnings of only nine pounds point six. And this was approximately half the

00:07:46.560 medium hourly earnings of some other religious groups. Okay. That's striking. Everything else I could think of in my head

00:07:52.400 of, well, it could be this, it could be that, but what is going on there?

00:07:57.120 Yeah. So first, I think it's because right here, what we're seeing is a bifurcation of immigration, lower income

00:08:05.360 immigrants or immigrants with lower skills are going to travel to countries that are easier to get to, and that have

00:08:10.960 higher social services. The United States, when contrasted with Europe, just has lower social

00:08:16.240 services and it's harder to get to. So it's going to disproportionately sort for higher quality immigrants

00:08:22.160 when they're coming from that far away. So that is one thing. But then again, that doesn't really

00:08:26.080 explain anything that explains why immigrants in the United States are higher quality and why immigrants in

00:08:31.840 the UK are. And when I say quality, I mean, in terms of their impact on the economy, not as like

00:08:37.120 human beings, but Muslims in the UK are generally more of a drain on society as an immigrant group,

00:08:44.800 not because of their Muslim status, but because of the selective immigration constraints created by the

00:08:52.720 dichotomy between the option to immigrate to the United States versus the United Kingdom,

00:08:56.720 where you could have access to a much better economy if you do well and are well-educated,

00:09:01.360 but you're going to be in a much worse situation if you're not earning as much money.

00:09:04.960 Right. So now we get to the bigger crux and it's like, okay, so we solved the immigrant question.

00:09:11.360 Right. And the answer wasn't particularly interesting, but now we need to ask why the

00:09:14.640 old Muslim empires ended up losing their wealth. Yeah. Especially having such this promising period.

00:09:21.120 And you would think at that time, like if you probably looked at people in the world at that time,

00:09:27.200 they would think, well, these are the people. Kind of like during the height of the Roman Empire,

00:09:31.600 like obviously everything's going to be run by these people forever and for always, because

00:09:35.680 they're the ones... Yeah, you would really think that. I mean, that was the path that the Muslim

00:09:39.600 empire was on a way. Like they were the successors of the Roman empire in terms of the technological

00:09:46.560 and sort of... Societal, everything. Cultural, societal, technological, all of it.

00:09:52.240 All of it. Yeah. And they were bigger geographically than the Roman empire at their height.

00:09:56.320 Right. So like they had no, no reason not to, to be cleaning up. It was their game to lose,

00:10:03.280 for sure. It was their game to lose. So how did they lose it? It doesn't have anything to do with

00:10:08.000 the religion itself is the interesting question. Oh, danger. But okay. Let's look at that.

00:10:14.240 Interesting. So to give you an idea of how much they lost, the average per capita GDP in Muslim

00:10:20.560 majority countries is $5,000 lower than the global average. Well, only 14% of Muslims live under

00:10:28.480 democratic systems compared to 60% of the world's countries being governed democratically. And

00:10:34.160 keep in mind, this is yeah. When contrast, it was that golden age. And so, and it's not even like

00:10:39.680 their countries are uniquely resource poor. Like there are lots of wealthy Muslims out there.

00:10:44.400 Carnegie Hall, the Fifth Avenue, Blikhatta King Kong, Harba Shabilayat Home.

00:10:49.600 We love the fashion.

00:10:50.480 Louis Vuitton. Yes. Yes.

00:10:56.400 And there, underneath hundreds of years of tradition, was this year's spring collection.

00:11:01.760 But they, well, the, the, the vast majority of the wealthiest Muslims attain their wealth

00:11:08.240 by purview of being near oil rich regions or natural gas rich regions. And now I will say

00:11:17.120 that Dutch disease has not affected Muslim countries as much as other countries.

00:11:21.840 And this remind me, what is Dutch disease?

00:11:24.000 It's a lot of them for that. It sounds like a tree disease, doesn't it? But Dutch disease is what

00:11:28.800 happens to a country when it happens to have too much natural resources. If a country has natural

00:11:34.080 I think the Netherlands is doing pretty freaking well right now. What are you talking about?

00:11:37.920 Now it is.

00:11:38.800 I want Dutch disease. I mean, give it, give it to me. It had a tree where it wasn't.

00:11:44.400 The semiconductors, give me the Ozempic. Give me the freaking tulips. Give me, get all of it.

00:11:50.640 I want all of it.

00:11:51.520 Yes. So Dutch disease doesn't necessarily have to turn into Dutch disease. Some countries that have it,

00:11:56.160 if they are disciplined, have been able to turn it into an enormous national benefit. You know,

00:12:02.400 whether it's the Scando countries or the Netherlands and their oil deposits, right?

00:12:07.360 They have been able to create big national trust funds and everything like that.

00:12:11.200 But some countries, you know, this usually happens in places like Africa. If they have,

00:12:16.080 you know, like a lot of oil or a lot of precious minerals, it almost prevents the country from

00:12:20.880 developing. Because there now is no reason to build out a tax base if you are the monarch of the country.

00:12:27.760 Yeah. Or, you know, give.

00:12:29.760 And this feels to me analogous to kids born into wealth, right?

00:12:34.400 I want one. I want a golden goose.

00:12:36.960 I want my geese to lay gold eggs for Easter. At least a hundred a day.

00:12:40.960 Anything you say.

00:12:41.840 Oh, by the way.

00:12:43.600 There are some kids born into wealth who go on and do really amazing things.

00:12:48.160 I want the world. I want the whole world.

00:12:52.800 I want to lock it all up in my pocket. Give it to me now.

00:12:56.720 And everyone calls them a Nepo baby and blames them for that.

00:12:58.880 But actually, they took their privilege and they built something with it, right?

00:13:02.560 I want today. I want tomorrow.

00:13:06.320 And then there's the other Nepo babies who just blow through their trust funds

00:13:11.120 and are complete losers and don't do anything with their lives.

00:13:14.080 And, you know, what is the difference? Is it trust administration?

00:13:18.000 Is it personal discipline? Is it family culture?

00:13:21.280 I think it's the same.

00:13:22.000 Yeah. Well, and that's a good point. Like people can say,

00:13:25.280 oh, this is like the, the Hollywood use.

00:13:27.520 Like they see a Hollywood use who like became a burnout and is like all addicted to drugs now

00:13:31.440 and everything like that. And they're like, ah, you see, this is because he was a superstar when

00:13:36.800 he was young. But then if you pointed another Hollywood use, he was successful.

00:13:40.880 They're like, oh, his success can be discounted because he was a Hollywood use.

00:13:44.160 And it's like, well, I mean, you can't hold both of those positions simultaneously.

00:13:49.360 Either growing up in that position is actually pretty difficult and can lead to negatives or

00:13:54.480 it's a positive. So Dutch disease has had a middling effect in, in Africa. It's had a pretty

00:14:01.360 bad effect on some Muslim maturity countries. But generally, if you're looking at like the

00:14:05.760 MENA countries in the middle East, they have dealt with it. Okay. Not as well as the Netherlands

00:14:12.960 or the Scando countries, but better than most of the African countries. And maybe they'll be able

00:14:19.520 to build some alternate economic model. They are trying right now, but you know, who's to say,

00:14:25.360 but the point here being, it's not a lack of a resource rich areas that has caused their current

00:14:31.040 situation. So we'll get right into it. Why specifically did the Muslim empire lose so much

00:14:39.520 of his wealth between the year 1000 and 1700s? First, Islamic inheritance laws and polygyny

00:14:48.400 contributed to the lack of large companies. A lot of the ideas in this are going to be drawn from

00:14:55.200 a VisioPolitik episode on this particular topic that was just absolutely fantastic. It's one of my

00:15:00.880 favorite channels on YouTube. However, they did make some mistakes and didn't discuss the subject as

00:15:07.440 thoroughly as I'd like. And this was actually one of the mistakes they made.

00:15:11.200 Is, you know, they point out, oh, well, in Islam, you have to distribute your assets equally among

00:15:16.560 your heirs. And well, not really. You have to distribute your assets equally among your male

00:15:23.200 heirs. And then the female heirs get half what the male heirs get. And the wife gets one eighth if you

00:15:28.720 have kids and one quarter if you didn't have kids. Yeah. It's, uh, yeah, it's, it's complicated the way

00:15:36.640 Islamic inheritance works. Okay. But I'm not saying it's enlightened when you look at

00:15:42.320 Regency era inheritance laws. It also left people quite screwed and they were the main turning point

00:15:47.440 for many novels. Well, no, no, no. It was enlightened when contrasted with European inheritance.

00:15:52.480 Yeah. No, European inheritance laws are certainly not. Um, my point is that I'm saying that those are,

00:15:57.760 those sound really crappy, but I'm not saying that non-Muslim inheritance laws weren't also

00:16:02.960 crappy and probably well, definitely worse. Yeah. Well, so a lot of people might hear this

00:16:08.640 and they might be like, that sounds like it's a lot more egalitarian than European laws at the time.

00:16:13.440 Why is that a bad thing? Well, uh, the story I always go to on this is when the English conquered

00:16:19.760 the Irish, one of the laws that they imposed on them that was meant to ensure that none of them

00:16:24.160 could ever become wealthy was that they forced the families to distribute assets to all male heirs

00:16:29.920 equally upon the death of an individual. And somebody would be like, why would that make a

00:16:33.440 family poor? And it's like, well, because the previous system was that you consolidated the assets

00:16:37.600 with the oldest heir. Yeah. And so that meant that intergenerationally a family's wealth could always

00:16:42.960 grow if you have to split it between, and keep in mind how many heirs you have in every one of these,

00:16:47.440 these families like six, seven, if you split it between a bunch of kids, well, then it's going

00:16:52.240 to dilute pretty quickly. Well, this gets worse. If you come from a polygynous society where, um,

00:16:58.880 Muslim cultures were polygynous, they'd have multiple wives and you could have even more kids.

00:17:03.280 So if you establish a great, great, great amount of wealth, well, now you're splitting them in all of

00:17:08.400 your many, many, many, many, many kids that you are really going to have trouble building

00:17:13.760 intergenerational wealth and it gets worse. So the way that the VisualPolitik episode

00:17:20.320 said, which is kind of wrong, they said that you had to dissolve the companies that people

00:17:24.000 owned when they died, which isn't exactly accurate, but it's pretty close to accurate.

00:17:29.040 When somebody dies under this system, the shares of the company have to be equally distributed among

00:17:36.480 the youth. And usually these ways to do that is to dissolve or sell the company. And this is like

00:17:42.640 a religious law. Okay. So you can't get around this easily. So it means that most people within

00:17:50.560 the Ottoman period and the Islamic scholars have developed better ways of dealing with this now

00:17:56.000 to better match Western business customs, but within the Ottoman period, you know, it often made sense to

00:18:02.720 just not really focus on building intergenerational wealth in the way that other people did. And I

00:18:09.840 think for you and me, one of the places where we saw this most starkly, do you remember when we went

00:18:15.520 to that giant palace complex in the desert in Morocco, I want to say, and if you looked, you could

00:18:23.840 climb up on the ruins of the area that we were, and somebody was living in the ruins. It was one of the

00:18:28.240 the descendants of the person who originally owned it. And the entire complex was, was sort of divided

00:18:33.840 into a grid like pattern because every generation, it had been split and split and split again. And

00:18:40.080 some of the sections were beautiful, all in their original glory. And then other sections were almost

00:18:45.520 entirely rubble and other sections were in varying states of disrepair. And you realize, oh, this is why

00:18:53.440 you don't divide a palace equally every generation. Not a great idea. No.

00:18:58.000 But it also causes you to not have as much motivation to build this sort of intergenerational

00:19:02.880 wealth. And it means you're structuring your business dealings in a way where that's a less

00:19:07.440 likely to become an outcome. But it gets worse than that in terms of dealing with non-Muslims,

00:19:14.080 but we'll get to that in a second. Now we're going to go to the thing that everybody knows about the

00:19:19.280 struggles that Muslims have was doing business. Do you know what this is? What is the

00:19:24.160 worst of the prohibition? Debt, loans, et cetera.

00:19:26.960 Debt. Yeah.

00:19:27.840 To usury laws. And the interesting thing is, is that Christians of the Middle Ages had the

00:19:32.080 same usury laws that Muslims had. Or you're familiar with this, right? Like that Christians

00:19:37.760 actually couldn't do debt either.

00:19:39.920 I actually didn't know this. For how long was this the case? Was it the Catholic Church?

00:19:44.960 Yeah, I think it might have been a Catholic thing.

00:19:46.400 And then they changed their policy at one of those big meetings?

00:19:50.480 Yeah, or something like that. It loosened over time. But the point being is, it's one of the

00:19:54.400 ways that early Jewish culture got a lot of wealth, because they didn't have the same usury

00:19:58.560 restrictions as Christian culture. And debt is actually really important to the functioning of

00:20:03.520 a society. But it's important for all sorts of reasons you may not be thinking of.

00:20:08.080 So, and I will note that the Muslim, even during the Ottoman periods, they had ways around these

00:20:13.920 usury laws, okay? So they would say, oh, I will sell you this sheet for $100 now, but here's a

00:20:21.520 contract where I have to buy it back from you for $150 later. But all of these workarounds meant

00:20:29.760 that the rate on debt in the Ottoman Empire was 20%, and it was 5% in the French Empire.

00:20:36.400 Oh boy. If every one of your cultural group is just getting astronomically worse, 4x worse debt

00:20:42.640 rates, you're going to do so, so, so much worse. And it gets worse than that. When Europe developed

00:20:48.960 one of the most ingenious financial instruments in human history, which was bills of exchange,

00:20:55.200 basically, one, bills that allowed you to basically carry cash between settlements, and it allowed for

00:21:02.400 interest, I'll read a definition of bills of exchange. A bill of exchange is the financial

00:21:07.440 instrument that was widely used in medieval and early Europe to facilitate long-distance trade

00:21:11.520 and credit transactions. It essentially functioned as a written order from one party, the drawer,

00:21:16.800 instructing another party, the drawee, to pay a specified sum of money to a third party, the payee,

00:21:22.640 at a future date. So it allowed for early forms of currency, for example. So I could, you know,

00:21:32.480 leave a bunch of money with one Templar compound, and they'd give me a note that any other Templar

00:21:37.600 compound would know meant I had my money was the first Templar compound. And I might even be able

00:21:42.880 to earn interest on that money. And then I could trade these notes that only I could use, a bandit who

00:21:48.320 killed me couldn't use, for things in other areas. So it was the first traveler's checks,

00:21:53.840 essentially. Yeah, but it mattered a lot in a period where, you know, otherwise you're going

00:21:59.040 through bandit-ridden areas with like carts full of gold or other, you know, expensive stuff.

00:22:03.840 Yeah, no, it was, that's a no-go. That's a no-go. Yeah.

00:22:09.360 It gives them a reason to keep you for ransom rather than just take all the gold on your mouth.

00:22:13.680 Well, yeah, I mean, the only way you could possibly travel with gold is if you had a whole retinue with

00:22:17.200 you and that cost a ton. So it just didn't, yeah, if you wanted to travel light, you had to do this.

00:22:23.120 Now, this is not to say that Muslims didn't have some instruments to try to get around this.

00:22:28.480 And these instruments were, and this is something you're going to see throughout this,

00:22:33.040 they were developed well before the medieval Europeans developed these systems, but they were

00:22:40.160 less sophisticated. So essentially the problem you're going to see over and over again is Muslims

00:22:47.040 failed because they were dealing with more advanced systems that they were afraid to change.

00:22:56.320 It was not in spite of their previous wealth and technological prowess that they failed.

00:23:02.000 It was because of their wealth and previous technological prowess.

00:23:06.320 So is this similar to the issue that you see with rapidly developing countries and countries that

00:23:14.480 already developed where when countries are building major infrastructure using modern technology,

00:23:21.200 it's just so much better versus the old nations that are stuck with the old infrastructure just

00:23:26.880 sucks. Is that kind of what we're looking at here?

00:23:29.600 Sort of, yeah. That's kind of it. And we'll probably do an episode on this phenomenon later.

00:23:33.920 So I'll go over some of the Muslim structures because I actually think they're pretty interesting.

00:23:37.440 Yeah, I've not heard of these before.

00:23:38.880 A Mubara, and I am going to mispronounce everything. A Mubara was a type of Islamic partnership

00:23:45.520 widely used for trade and commerce. Key features of a Mubara include one party,

00:23:50.320 a Rababal, provides capital, while the other, a Murabiria, provides labor and experience.

00:23:56.320 So basically one person, the investor gives capital and the other, the investee gives labor and

00:24:00.880 experience. Profits are shared according to a pre-agreed ratio. Losses are borne solely by

00:24:06.800 the capital provider unless caused by the Murabiria's negligence or misconduct. It sounds a lot like a

00:24:13.920 startup, doesn't it? It does. It does. And I just, when you butcher a word in a foreign language,

00:24:22.240 it's like when Gomez speaks Italian to Morticia. I just, you kill me. I love it.

00:24:30.400 It's French, by the way. Or when Morticia speaks to Gomez.

00:24:32.320 No. Really?

00:24:35.920 Yeah, well, we'll see. I'll add, I'll add a scene and the audience can decide.

00:24:39.840 He keeps saying cara mia. That's not French.

00:24:54.960 Oh, I guess, yeah, he says that and then whatever. So it was used for both short-term trade expeditions

00:24:59.600 and long-term business ventures. So it could be used for trade expeditions, which are really

00:25:03.600 important to the Muslim empire because they had a much more advanced trade network than the Europeans

00:25:07.360 did with the Silk Road being a largely Muslim thing. So next reason. So it already is looking

00:25:14.080 pretty bad for the Muslim empire, but it's just going to keep getting worse. Oh no.

00:25:17.680 Legal and business practices in the Islamic world discouraged foreign investment and partnerships.

00:25:22.800 Now this isn't because they were explicitly discouraged by the Quran or anything,

00:25:27.440 but remember how I talked about all those really specific and technical and strict rules

00:25:33.840 around inheritance in the Quran. Well, they apply when you're working with a non-Muslim.

00:25:38.400 This is why. Oh boy.

00:25:40.560 Here of large Muslim non-Muslim partnerships in a historic context.

00:25:46.160 If I form a business partnership with a, you know, a strict Muslim in a historic context,

00:25:51.840 again, the, the religious structures for getting around this have become significantly more advanced

00:25:56.640 in modern times. This isn't the same problem. It was historically, but in a historic context,

00:26:01.760 I'd have to dissolve it if my partner died. So like, why would I work with them? But it's just

00:26:06.000 worse than that. There are other reasons why you wouldn't work with them. Specifically,

00:26:11.600 Ottoman judges rarely accepted written contracts as evidence, relying instead on oral testimony.

00:26:17.760 Oh no. Oh, so this is just one of those things where like those nations that you could never invest in

00:26:24.960 a company because you're just so afraid that that nation is going to first say, oh yeah, come on in

00:26:30.720 to my great country and build your business. And then three years later, they're like, by the way,

00:26:36.000 that's my business now. Thank you.

00:26:38.000 I know it still works that way in most Muslim majority countries, because that would be a very

00:26:44.080 offensive thing to say. So you're certainly not saying it to do business in some of these countries

00:26:49.120 and lost a lot of money, even though the companies did quite well. But as a note here, that in Istanbul,

00:26:58.080 in the 18th century, only 3% of cases where a contract was brought to the judge was it considered

00:27:06.080 valid evidence. So what did judges use instead of contracts, because they didn't value written stuff.

00:27:12.640 And this is a Muslim cultural thing. They really valued like in-person face-to-face

00:27:17.120 business deals. Oh, this is my worst nightmare on networks of trust, right? Well, okay, here's the

00:27:24.800 problem. If I am a Muslim judge in a Muslim empire and two people have a disagreement and I'm relying on

00:27:32.480 oral testimony, which oral testimony am I going to value more highly? It's going to be the Muslim

00:27:37.440 oral testimony. Great. So you must be sitting here thinking, ha, ha, ha. So the Muslims in the

00:27:44.880 Ottoman empire, they must have been sitting pretty. It's like, actually not. Nobody wanted to do

00:27:50.800 business with them because of this. This is why corruption is bad. So religious minorities ended

00:27:56.320 up making all the money in the Ottoman empire. While Muslims made up 45% of the Ottoman empire's

00:28:02.640 population, exports and imports, they only made up 10.3%. Oh, man. So exports and imports were,

00:28:10.880 what was it? 89.7% owned by religious minorities. Oh no. So that's, yeah, that's why you don't want

00:28:19.760 to have, like, everybody always thinks like corrupt systems are going to help you, but they really don't.

00:28:24.000 They help you in the short term, but they hurt you in the long term. Right. And, and that's why trust

00:28:28.560 is so useful if you're trying to build big businesses. Well, or a good culture. If you

00:28:32.880 want to build a culture that thrives, you should build a culture that people consistently feel

00:28:38.160 like they can trust and want to work with. Well, it's almost like they were shooting

00:28:41.760 themselves in their foot was this stuff. We'll get into this more in a second.

00:28:44.480 Yeah. I mean, someone has to think through this a little bit and think.

00:28:49.680 No, no, hold it. It gets worse. They also banned printing presses, which we'll get to in a bit,

00:28:53.920 which is why and all the culture on this, but they only banned them for the Arabic language.

00:28:58.720 Oh, what? Christians could still have printing presses. Just the Muslims couldn't have printing.

00:29:04.720 Is this like something like about sacredness or what? What was the reasoning?

00:29:08.960 We'll get into it in a second why it was the case. But the point being is it's like, okay,

00:29:13.280 so now nobody trusts your people and everyone else is super educated and your people are like

00:29:19.440 legally not allowed to become educated. It seems like a bad system.

00:29:24.080 Well, it seems so antithetical, at least to my priors on the height of the Muslim empire with

00:29:31.520 this just education blossoming and intellectualism. It did for a period. It was the highest. Well,

00:29:38.640 also, a lot of the things were just like royals not sinking through things. So the Ottoman Empire

00:29:43.200 at its height made up 60% of the world's Muslim population and really was like the focus of it.

00:29:47.920 And so when you think Ottomans, you think Janissaries, right? You guys know the Janissaries.

00:29:52.720 I wait, I don't know the Janissaries. I've never heard of the Janissaries.

00:29:56.720 Oh, okay. Well, this requires some education because to understand the stupidity of this

00:30:03.280 entire situation, you need to understand the Janissaries. Okay.

00:30:06.400 The Ottomans came up with this brilliant system when they would conquer an enemy who was not Muslim,

00:30:13.280 usually Christian groups.

00:30:14.800 I will add corrections as I go through this because all of this is done for memory,

00:30:18.880 but the answer is always Christian groups and most of them came from the Balkans.

00:30:22.560 They would take their children. Well, not all of them, but like one in 10 or something like that.

00:30:27.840 They had different systems, but yeah.

00:30:29.680 It was actually done through a tax on the slaves that the military was taking in.

00:30:35.200 Then you had to offer them up as tribute to the Ottomans. And then the Ottomans would take these

00:30:41.280 young boys who were born into Christian families and they would train them to be their elite soldiers

00:30:47.280 from birth. And this was actually pretty effective in the short term because it meant that, you know,

00:30:52.480 when the Janissaries would go in, there were crack troops with advanced gunpowder weaponry. The Ottomans were

00:30:57.920 the first people to go into gunpowder weaponry, talking about being ahead of like technology.

00:31:02.000 I thought that was the Chinese. Are you sure it's not the Chinese?

00:31:05.120 I'm talking about in the West.

00:31:06.480 Oh, okay.

00:31:07.600 Keep in mind, the Ottomans had the trade networks coming to China before they could get to Europe.

00:31:12.640 They're like, oh, new technology. Let's arm our guys with this and not let this go any further.

00:31:17.600 Anyway, so Janissaries, elite gun troops, very early, very powerful.

00:31:22.640 If you were like one of these Christian settlements,

00:31:24.640 you would have some hesitancy about firing back because this could be your brother.

00:31:27.440 This could be your son. Yeah, absolutely. Your son. You're, you know, so, so very powerful,

00:31:33.200 but these people were, you know, raised from birth within the courts. And I mean,

00:31:38.800 you can say brainwashed, they're not really brainwashed. They were just raised in a different

00:31:42.160 religion from the time they could remember anything. Right.

00:31:45.120 And they weren't raised like, so the thing about the Janissaries is they weren't raised like bad.

00:31:50.960 Okay. Yeah. They were castrated.

00:31:52.560 They were castrated. Oh, you didn't mention that. Come on. That's.

00:31:55.920 They were castrated. I have to remember this, but I'll cut this out if I'm wrong about it, but.

00:32:00.000 It doesn't seem, it doesn't seem likely that they would castrate elite warriors because you need

00:32:05.120 the testosterone to kick ass. To show you how bad Google's gotten,

00:32:08.400 I'm about to do a quick Google search to see if the Janissaries were castrated.

00:32:11.680 And Google says, yes, they were castrated when I did the search. However, after recording this,

00:32:16.160 I decided to go back and double check this and no, they were not castrated. This is a common misconception.

00:32:22.480 Because while many of the members of the court were castrated, the Janissaries were not. Specifically,

00:32:28.160 the members of the court that were most likely to be castrated were the sons of Muslim dignitaries

00:32:34.400 and slaves who were brought in primarily from Africa.

00:32:37.840 So, yeah. What I did get wrong and what I do remember is that the Janissaries originally weren't

00:32:43.840 allowed to have families, but by the 18th century, it had become normalized for the Janissaries to have

00:32:49.360 family. And actually by like 1820s, they ended up having to be formally disbanded because they had

00:32:54.960 become so powerful. You definitely need the testosterone to kick ass.

00:32:58.000 Yes. Some Janissaries were castrated. But if I remember correctly, after the Janissaries gained

00:33:03.040 power, spoiler alert, they, they stopped castrating. What I had misremembered here is that after they

00:33:09.280 gained power, they gained the right to have wives and children. Not that they stopped being castrated.

00:33:15.120 Um, first, first order of business, please stop gunning up our dicks.

00:33:20.880 Okay. So, so here's what happened. Okay. So the Janissaries were not treated poorly. It was actually

00:33:26.640 kind of an ethical system in a way. So yeah, they take your kid, but that kid would get to live in the

00:33:31.120 castle. Like, like they lived around like the, the, the, you can go, if you tour the Ottoman castles,

00:33:37.040 you can tour where the Janissaries lived.

00:33:39.120 I should note that not all Janissaries lived in the court complex. The majority actually lived

00:33:43.840 at specialized Janissary training areas, but some lived in the court complex. And that is relevant

00:33:49.680 for the rest of the story. They were basically like court, uh, officials kind of, and they were

00:33:56.000 pretty high status court officials within like the larger Ottoman court system, because they were a

00:34:00.880 full-time military and keep in mind full-time militaries were not common back then to have standing

00:34:05.040 military. So that was also pretty advanced and, and they lived at the court and they gained a lot

00:34:10.160 of power. Well, the problem is, is they kept gaining more and more and more power, kind of like the

00:34:17.280 Praetorian guard was in Rome. If you want to know a bag of dicks, look at the history of the Praetorian

00:34:23.200 guard and I might do something on that. Well, that was the, the elite guard that was supposed to guard,

00:34:28.080 you know, the Caesar. And it turns out that that being that elite guard gives you increasingly more,

00:34:33.840 like you go 200, 300 years, you begin to get more and more and more favors for your group because

00:34:39.520 you're this, you know, intergenerational. However, the time had finally come, the time for a new age,

00:34:47.280 the time for revenge. And so Constantine proclaimed that the Praetorian guard

00:34:57.760 would be

00:35:00.000 a ballast.

00:35:13.680 So

00:35:42.280 this group of former Christians that

00:35:44.240 they brought in basically ended up running

00:35:46.240 the show within a few hundred years

00:35:48.100 and gained more and more power was in castle

00:35:50.200 politics until they were basically

00:35:52.140 running everything. Until they were

00:35:54.000 disbanded by Ottoman Sultan

00:35:56.100 Muhammad II.

00:35:58.100 Essentially, the Ottoman Sultans

00:36:00.480 took a bunch of Christian

00:36:02.380 young boys and

00:36:04.280 turned the Ottoman

00:36:06.060 courts into a

00:36:07.760 this situation right here.

00:36:10.160 And it might also show why

00:36:12.060 they didn't care as much that

00:36:14.100 the Muslim subpopulations

00:36:15.620 were getting sort of stomped on because

00:36:18.100 they didn't have any ethnic allegiance to

00:36:20.120 them. They were just like, are you following the rules?

00:36:22.120 Okay, I don't care. Well, if they're doing their

00:36:24.140 job, and it sounds like they were.

00:36:26.320 Yeah, they were doing their job. The Janissaries

00:36:28.140 were quite good at a lot of what they did. They were not

00:36:30.020 as bad as the Praetorians. Now

00:36:31.900 we are going to go to the next

00:36:33.980 point, and this is going to remind you a lot of modern

00:36:35.980 times, Simone. Okay.

00:36:37.440 The alliance between the

00:36:39.620 religious and political authorities

00:36:41.500 hindered progress and increased

00:36:43.480 the size of the bureaucracy.

00:36:45.320 So, I will put a graph on

00:36:47.460 screen here that will show

00:36:49.300 the number of trades by

00:36:51.640 sector by date.

00:36:53.720 And the orange is the earlier

00:36:55.340 the first half of the Ottoman Empire, and the

00:36:57.480 blue is the second half. And this was actually taken from the

00:36:59.420 VisualPolitik video on this. And you can

00:37:01.500 see an explosion

00:37:03.380 in the amount of bureaucratic and

00:37:05.400 military spending, where it

00:37:07.280 used to be the minority. It used to be that most of the

00:37:09.360 spending was on commerce and industry.

00:37:11.500 Okay.

00:37:12.060 But it exploded

00:37:13.860 to like 8x

00:37:15.340 what it was in the first half of the

00:37:17.220 empire. And then you also had an explosion

00:37:19.540 on education

00:37:21.400 and clericacy and

00:37:23.240 religious spending. Specifically

00:37:25.160 in the early Islamic Empire, the

00:37:27.220 Oma, which were basically the knowledge workers,

00:37:29.620 the religious elites that would handle like

00:37:31.300 court cases and stuff like that,

00:37:33.480 well, the system really worked

00:37:35.120 when they were mostly religious officials.

00:37:37.220 When they began to get closer to the entrenched

00:37:38.840 power structures and realized they could reinforce

00:37:41.040 those power structures, essentially

00:37:42.780 the side of the bureaucracy kept getting bigger

00:37:44.940 and bigger and bigger. This is very similar

00:37:46.780 to one of those modern graphs where I put on screen here

00:37:48.860 about like how our education system

00:37:50.800 we keep putting more money into it, but the money just

00:37:52.820 keeps going more and more and more to the

00:37:54.800 administration, and none of it is going to the teachers

00:37:56.800 or the students or anything like that, because

00:37:58.680 bureaucracy is very good at self-replicating

00:38:00.480 if you don't come through clean house

00:38:02.940 burn-it-whiz fire.

00:38:07.540 That is the way bureaucracies

00:38:08.900 need to be treated. Now,

00:38:10.840 you also had another problem

00:38:12.960 happening here, which is

00:38:15.220 in all, so far we've only been talking about

00:38:16.880 the more minor problems. We're going to get to the big, big, big,

00:38:18.960 big issue in just a second here, but

00:38:20.380 due to a series of crop failures

00:38:22.760 that happened during this period, people

00:38:24.700 begin to move to something called ictas, which

00:38:26.780 were local fiefdoms, which made

00:38:28.960 them sort of like

00:38:30.520 they were regressing to a more

00:38:32.940 feudal state from what was

00:38:35.280 a more urban state.

00:38:37.180 Muslims were much more of

00:38:39.000 an urban people than the Europeans in this

00:38:41.060 early period. It is part of why they developed

00:38:42.980 all these prohibitions around dogs,

00:38:45.180 because generally only urban cultural

00:38:46.860 groups develop prohibitions around

00:38:49.080 dogs.

00:38:50.820 We have a video on that. It's why

00:38:52.920 did Jews not own guns

00:38:54.740 where we talk about this, because Jews are another mostly

00:38:57.020 urban population and that have been urban

00:38:58.740 for centuries and that also have prohibitions

00:39:00.980 in these dogs. But they

00:39:02.660 moved them to be more rural and

00:39:04.700 into these fiefdoms, and as these

00:39:06.700 fiefdoms begin to develop, they begin to

00:39:08.640 divide the power of the Ottoman Empire,

00:39:10.920 but the Ottoman kingship was able to

00:39:12.780 maintain authority, like not have to worry about

00:39:14.700 being overthrown, by marrying

00:39:16.540 into them and

00:39:18.540 sort of supporting their power, which

00:39:20.680 prevented the country from economically

00:39:22.420 developing, which sort of throws it in a

00:39:24.760 feudal state.

00:39:27.020 Now here's the big one.

00:39:30.520 The Ottomans had a prohibition

00:39:32.780 against the printing press for around

00:39:34.580 200 years.

00:39:36.360 So I need to make some notes here.

00:39:39.040 It was only for the Muslims.

00:39:41.880 Talk about

00:39:42.600 like shooting yourself in the foot. It was

00:39:44.580 only for Arabic. So if you're a Muslim and you

00:39:46.460 knew other languages, you were okay, but like a lot

00:39:48.480 of Muslims didn't know

00:39:50.380 other languages. And here I will

00:39:52.400 put a graph here showing

00:39:54.180 literacy rates, where you can see that

00:39:56.340 Turkey's literacy rate in the

00:39:58.300 1960s was comparable

00:40:00.140 to 15th century

00:40:02.200 Netherlands.

00:40:03.760 Yeah, it was bad.

00:40:05.580 But the thing is,

00:40:08.020 is they weren't entirely

00:40:09.260 stupid to ban it.

00:40:12.020 Okay.

00:40:13.320 Why?

00:40:13.760 There are two reasons why they banned it.

00:40:15.820 One is more stupid than the other,

00:40:17.100 but it wasn't wrong

00:40:18.660 exactly. So the first

00:40:19.800 is that there was this giant

00:40:21.640 sort of

00:40:23.080 union or

00:40:24.020 guild

00:40:25.020 of calligraphers.

00:40:28.120 Oh.

00:40:29.040 They were trying to

00:40:29.900 prop up the calligraphy

00:40:31.440 industry? Big calligraphy?

00:40:33.380 Shut down

00:40:33.940 printing presses?

00:40:35.060 No, you joke about big calligraphy

00:40:36.040 living in the United States.

00:40:37.600 Have you ever traveled in a Muslim

00:40:38.920 country?

00:40:40.080 No.

00:40:41.400 Oh, actually.

00:40:41.980 Okay, you haven't.

00:40:42.980 I should send you to one.

00:40:44.080 I've been to lots of Muslim majority

00:40:45.140 countries.

00:40:45.540 And if you've been to a Muslim majority

00:40:46.960 country, you're like,

00:40:48.380 oh, I can see why big calligraphy

00:40:50.380 would have a lot of power.

00:40:51.740 Every mosque is decorated

00:40:53.240 because they have prohibitions

00:40:54.620 against idolatry

00:40:55.500 that are often much harsher

00:40:56.800 than Christian or Jewish

00:40:58.580 prohibitions against idolatry.

00:41:00.160 And so what they use

00:41:01.080 to decorate everything

00:41:02.260 is the Quranic words

00:41:04.320 and verse.

00:41:05.160 And it's gorgeous.

00:41:06.380 I mean, from what I've seen

00:41:07.500 in museums and whatnot,

00:41:09.160 absolutely stunning.

00:41:10.680 Yeah.

00:41:10.980 I would argue this is still

00:41:12.400 a form of idolatry,

00:41:14.260 but whatever point being,

00:41:16.720 they didn't see it that way.

00:41:17.700 They saw it as like their core.

00:41:19.120 Look at the Old Testament.

00:41:20.340 Okay.

00:41:20.680 Humans have a long track record

00:41:22.740 of just,

00:41:23.460 oh, that golden calf is so cool.

00:41:25.740 Yeah.

00:41:26.180 They got to start putting gold

00:41:27.380 in the letters, you know.

00:41:29.340 But, but yes.

00:41:30.440 So they did lots and lots

00:41:32.060 and lots of calligraphy.

00:41:33.160 It was sort of their main

00:41:34.340 form of artwork.

00:41:35.640 You could almost say

00:41:36.260 their main form

00:41:37.120 of cultural expression.

00:41:38.380 Well, so I don't feel like

00:41:40.240 the printing press

00:41:41.580 wouldn't have me

00:41:42.700 as an official

00:41:44.680 or a king

00:41:45.480 or a policymaker

00:41:46.420 of that time concerned

00:41:47.720 because there are still,

00:41:48.960 it's not like the printing press

00:41:50.280 is going to change

00:41:51.060 mosque decoration.

00:41:52.800 They weren't just involved

00:41:54.180 in that form of calligraphy.

00:41:55.440 Keep in mind,

00:41:56.460 the Islamic empire

00:41:57.480 also had,

00:41:58.400 because they had been

00:41:59.100 the world's knowledge center

00:42:00.120 for so long,

00:42:01.180 the largest libraries.

00:42:03.820 You know,

00:42:04.260 when we,

00:42:04.980 everyone says

00:42:05.660 when the Ottoman empire

00:42:06.860 was sacked by the Mongols,

00:42:08.820 which was another

00:42:09.300 big thing here,

00:42:10.460 they don't say

00:42:11.100 the rivers ran red.

00:42:12.460 They ran black

00:42:13.300 with the ink of books.

00:42:15.180 That is how valuable

00:42:17.160 the libraries were,

00:42:18.200 how vast the libraries

00:42:19.800 were in the Islamic empires.

00:42:21.720 They had entire villages

00:42:24.860 of calligraphers

00:42:26.520 that were attached

00:42:27.680 to the palace complexes

00:42:29.260 to be writing the laws,

00:42:31.400 to be writing all the books,

00:42:32.800 to be doing all that.

00:42:34.100 They were seen

00:42:35.240 as associated

00:42:36.300 with knowledge,

00:42:38.400 and they were

00:42:39.600 not wrong.

00:42:42.800 In fact,

00:42:43.660 think of it,

00:42:44.080 these,

00:42:44.820 you'll see where

00:42:46.220 a lot of modern analogies

00:42:48.080 are about to come into this,

00:42:49.080 or a lot of modern comparisons.

00:42:50.740 The second thing

00:42:51.940 they fear

00:42:52.440 was that

00:42:55.440 if

00:42:56.020 the printing press

00:42:57.320 wrote the Koran down

00:43:01.120 and made it easy

00:43:02.320 to access,

00:43:03.660 and just anyone

00:43:04.480 could read it,

00:43:05.800 I mean,

00:43:06.600 what if people

00:43:07.200 started to have

00:43:07.940 disagreements

00:43:08.680 that could lead

00:43:09.840 to war,

00:43:12.040 a century of strife,

00:43:14.060 and people laugh

00:43:15.520 and they're like,

00:43:15.920 oh, so silly.

00:43:17.540 That didn't happen

00:43:18.440 in Europe

00:43:18.880 when the printing press

00:43:19.840 was invented,

00:43:20.760 and then they're like,

00:43:21.720 oh, wait, no,

00:43:22.420 that's exactly

00:43:23.060 what happened in Europe

00:43:23.920 when the printing press

00:43:24.820 was invented.

00:43:25.760 Regular citizens

00:43:26.840 picked up a copy

00:43:28.000 of the Bible,

00:43:29.000 started reading it,

00:43:29.920 and they turned

00:43:31.280 to the Catholic Church

00:43:32.180 and was like,

00:43:32.940 hey, wait a second.

00:43:34.920 This doesn't say

00:43:35.860 what you said it said.

00:43:37.240 This says something

00:43:38.000 entirely different,

00:43:39.720 and there's different ways

00:43:42.040 this could be interpreted,

00:43:43.180 and then they went

00:43:44.100 to war over it,

00:43:45.120 and that's a little thing

00:43:46.180 that we call

00:43:46.740 the Reformation,

00:43:47.880 and then all of the wars

00:43:49.300 that came out

00:43:49.920 of the Reformation,

00:43:51.020 so they were not

00:43:52.260 wrong about this,

00:43:55.160 and I would contrast

00:43:57.300 all of these fears

00:43:58.840 with the fears

00:44:00.000 that people have

00:44:00.600 today about AI.

00:44:02.800 It's a new technology,

00:44:04.240 so who complains

00:44:05.840 about it?

00:44:06.180 If the AI is allowed,

00:44:08.020 it's going to take

00:44:08.600 the jobs

00:44:09.240 of our knowledge workers.

00:44:10.680 Yeah.

00:44:11.280 It could cause strife,

00:44:13.080 and the other thing

00:44:14.320 that they argued,

00:44:14.980 and they literally argued

00:44:15.880 this is we just

00:44:16.660 don't know

00:44:17.520 what the long-term effects

00:44:18.520 of this technology

00:44:19.120 are going to be.

00:44:20.280 It's safer

00:44:20.920 to just not use it.

00:44:23.100 Safer for who?

00:44:24.600 The existing power hierarchy.

00:44:26.380 This is why,

00:44:28.340 in the modern time,

00:44:29.360 the individuals

00:44:29.820 who are most ardently

00:44:30.980 arguing against

00:44:32.440 the proliferation

00:44:33.440 of AI technology

00:44:34.880 are the existing

00:44:36.720 power hierarchy.

00:44:39.400 You know,

00:44:39.620 you look at

00:44:40.620 these individuals

00:44:41.300 who,

00:44:41.800 from my perspective,

00:44:42.420 almost seem to

00:44:42.900 worship Ra,

00:44:44.180 like Eliezer Yukowsky,

00:44:45.300 very Nurgolitic

00:44:46.460 in their viewpoints.

00:44:47.380 They're like,

00:44:47.660 I want to freeze society

00:44:49.460 as it is now.

00:44:50.300 You know,

00:44:50.480 we're going to stop

00:44:51.020 technological development.

00:44:52.300 I'm going to live forever.

00:44:53.280 I'm going to play

00:44:54.000 my little Nurgle song here

00:44:55.860 that I actually quite like.

00:44:56.820 It looks like it was

00:44:57.320 created with AI too.

00:44:58.700 Good example

00:44:59.260 of how good AI has gotten.

00:45:01.280 So cast off your fears

00:45:04.000 of age and blight

00:45:06.280 In cutressence

00:45:09.400 find your true delight

00:45:11.580 For in my realm

00:45:14.780 all I cherish so

00:45:16.520 Let my blessings

00:45:18.180 upon you grow

00:45:19.780 Embrace the right

00:45:21.620 Let pestilence bloom

00:45:24.180 In cutrefaction

00:45:27.140 find joy

00:45:28.380 not doom

00:45:29.600 Our garden grows

00:45:32.800 with every spore

00:45:35.220 Nurgle's love

00:45:38.240 will rise you

00:45:39.540 to the core

00:45:40.620 And we'll be launching

00:45:41.580 our channel theme song soon.

00:45:43.020 I've been pretty slow

00:45:44.420 about having that go live.

00:45:46.160 I'm just,

00:45:46.740 I don't like change.

00:45:47.500 I'm scared.

00:45:48.100 I'm scared.

00:45:48.900 But that's the thing, right?

00:45:49.920 You get scared of change,

00:45:50.940 fans get scared of change.

00:45:52.140 They're like,

00:45:52.420 oh, you're doing

00:45:52.940 something new now.

00:45:55.020 So they weren't

00:45:56.540 exactly wrong

00:45:58.080 about the change

00:45:59.020 that they saw

00:45:59.620 technological progress

00:46:00.720 could have.

00:46:01.660 They were just wrong

00:46:03.100 that on the margins

00:46:04.100 it was good

00:46:04.900 for their people

00:46:05.680 over the long run.

00:46:07.260 And I think that

00:46:07.880 this is really

00:46:08.460 what we're going to see

00:46:09.080 with AI as well.

00:46:10.660 Now, there are some things

00:46:11.980 that I didn't go into

00:46:12.980 as much.

00:46:13.480 The Mongol invasions

00:46:14.420 of the 13th century

00:46:15.400 were really bad.

00:46:17.260 The problem is

00:46:17.920 is that Europe

00:46:18.500 also had Mongol invasions

00:46:19.880 during this period.

00:46:21.160 So I think

00:46:22.000 there's sort of,

00:46:22.580 I mean,

00:46:23.260 okay,

00:46:23.540 the Muslim empires

00:46:24.600 act as a buffer zone

00:46:25.900 and the Mongols

00:46:26.600 definitely hit them harder,

00:46:28.320 specifically regions

00:46:29.900 of learning and commerce

00:46:31.400 like Baghdad.

00:46:32.360 But it's not like

00:46:33.380 the Europeans

00:46:33.980 weren't constantly

00:46:34.720 at war

00:46:35.140 during this period

00:46:35.920 as well.

00:46:36.840 Another thing

00:46:37.660 that wasn't mentioned

00:46:38.480 in the VisualPolitik video

00:46:40.040 is the development

00:46:41.940 of intellectual property rights

00:46:43.620 was never really able

00:46:45.440 to happen

00:46:45.960 in the Muslim empire

00:46:47.220 because Islamic societies

00:46:49.060 traditionally viewed

00:46:49.900 knowledge as a gift

00:46:50.700 from God

00:46:51.320 that should be

00:46:51.860 freely shared.

00:46:52.880 So you couldn't

00:46:54.560 patent something.

00:46:55.740 They had the concept

00:46:56.380 of ilm,

00:46:57.100 knowledge,

00:46:57.680 was central to Islamic culture

00:46:58.920 with an emphasis

00:46:59.940 on dissemination

00:47:00.940 rather than ownership.

00:47:02.300 This approach

00:47:03.000 fostered a culture

00:47:03.880 of open access

00:47:04.560 to ideas

00:47:05.360 but potentially reduced

00:47:07.360 individual incentives

00:47:08.260 for innovation.

00:47:09.400 And this is why

00:47:10.040 you get these ideas

00:47:11.340 like communism

00:47:12.060 and stuff

00:47:12.340 that sound good

00:47:13.220 on paper

00:47:13.660 and then you're like,

00:47:14.240 yes,

00:47:14.640 but that reduces

00:47:15.380 the incentives

00:47:16.100 to improve

00:47:16.800 one's property.

00:47:18.040 Just so you understand

00:47:19.020 what I'm saying here,

00:47:19.900 if you like

00:47:20.740 give somebody land

00:47:21.780 under a communist system

00:47:22.720 but they don't have

00:47:23.280 ownership over that land,

00:47:24.660 what you will always see

00:47:25.720 is they won't focus

00:47:27.060 on personal improvements

00:47:28.160 to that land as much

00:47:29.100 or investing in that land

00:47:30.660 but when somebody

00:47:31.660 owns a property

00:47:32.500 because they can resell it,

00:47:33.800 they focus a lot

00:47:34.460 on improving it.

00:47:35.480 It's the same

00:47:36.100 with ideas.

00:47:37.460 You focus on improving

00:47:38.660 them if you can

00:47:39.420 profit from them.

00:47:40.680 When people can't

00:47:41.540 own ideas,

00:47:42.620 you end up

00:47:44.300 generating them

00:47:45.740 at a lower rate.

00:47:47.860 But you have

00:47:48.900 the other problem here

00:47:50.640 which is from

00:47:51.260 the 14th century onwards

00:47:52.800 there was a gradual

00:47:54.260 shift in attitudes

00:47:55.120 towards innovation

00:47:56.100 in many Islamic societies.

00:47:58.300 The concept of

00:47:59.100 biddah

00:47:59.480 or innovation

00:48:00.500 in religious matters

00:48:01.480 began to be applied

00:48:02.800 more broadly

00:48:03.320 to secular innovations.

00:48:04.880 This led to

00:48:05.640 a more conservative

00:48:06.260 approach to ideas

00:48:07.180 and technologies

00:48:07.840 in some Islamic societies

00:48:09.200 specifically resistant

00:48:11.360 to technologies

00:48:12.360 that were coded

00:48:12.840 as foreign.

00:48:14.220 For example,

00:48:15.040 they did not use

00:48:16.000 mechanical clocks

00:48:17.060 for a long period.

00:48:18.580 Out of policy.

00:48:20.540 As of policy,

00:48:21.380 yeah.

00:48:21.940 Because they were seen

00:48:22.640 as like too foreign.

00:48:24.620 Okay.

00:48:25.220 Also note,

00:48:25.820 when you're talking

00:48:26.160 about the development

00:48:26.620 of intellectual property

00:48:27.460 rights,

00:48:27.920 they were particularly

00:48:28.840 important in the patent

00:48:29.920 system that emerged

00:48:31.360 in Renaissance Italy

00:48:32.360 and the Statute of Anne

00:48:33.940 in 1710 England

00:48:35.240 which marked

00:48:36.060 significant move

00:48:37.620 forwards in copyright law

00:48:39.140 which again made it

00:48:39.980 much more beneficial

00:48:41.540 to develop works

00:48:42.980 of knowledge.

00:48:44.200 So,

00:48:44.540 thoughts?

00:48:46.040 This makes me wonder

00:48:48.200 about China's

00:48:50.560 increasingly isolationist

00:48:53.040 policy

00:48:53.600 when it comes to

00:48:55.060 technology

00:48:56.300 and trade

00:48:57.200 and culture

00:48:57.940 how it seems

00:48:59.660 on the surface

00:49:00.360 like this will benefit

00:49:01.660 your people

00:49:02.700 and this will help

00:49:03.540 you stay strong.

00:49:04.680 And I can even

00:49:06.220 understand from

00:49:07.760 China's

00:49:08.580 titty-tainment

00:49:09.700 editorializing

00:49:11.900 like what

00:49:12.800 Americans are watching

00:49:14.520 and consuming

00:49:15.180 is just

00:49:15.940 idiocracy level

00:49:17.540 content

00:49:18.280 and they

00:49:19.720 not only see us

00:49:21.040 experiencing

00:49:22.280 degradation

00:49:22.880 as a result of it

00:49:24.040 but kind of are

00:49:24.720 trying to accelerate it

00:49:25.760 with what they're allowing

00:49:26.720 on TikTok

00:49:27.780 in the United States

00:49:29.180 versus in China.

00:49:30.420 But at the same time

00:49:31.760 that isolationism

00:49:32.860 appears to have

00:49:33.940 a track record

00:49:34.760 of not performing

00:49:35.700 very well

00:49:36.340 and then also

00:49:37.380 when you look

00:49:37.880 at other

00:49:38.480 and we talked

00:49:39.900 about Venice

00:49:40.480 thriving for example

00:49:41.580 Venice didn't

00:49:42.360 just thrive

00:49:43.400 because it

00:49:44.460 was in

00:49:45.300 very harsh

00:49:46.000 conditions

00:49:46.500 and forced

00:49:47.100 to be resilient

00:49:48.060 it also thrived

00:49:49.260 because it was

00:49:50.140 extremely

00:49:50.920 open to the rest

00:49:52.600 of the world

00:49:53.080 and thrived

00:49:53.880 on trade

00:49:54.380 and exchange

00:49:55.080 and I feel like

00:49:56.240 to a certain

00:49:57.900 extent

00:49:58.180 the Roman Empire

00:49:58.820 did as well

00:49:59.360 to a certain extent

00:50:00.060 and to a great

00:50:00.760 extent

00:50:01.000 the United States

00:50:01.700 did.

00:50:02.520 It just seems

00:50:03.080 to me like

00:50:03.540 this is a

00:50:06.060 historical lesson

00:50:07.180 to all of us

00:50:08.680 to all cultures

00:50:09.620 and all countries

00:50:10.600 that pure isolationism

00:50:14.040 is not a great idea.

00:50:18.300 Well and the Ottoman Empire

00:50:19.960 wasn't truly isolationist

00:50:21.700 it was

00:50:21.960 keep in mind

00:50:22.820 they had other

00:50:23.720 religious minorities

00:50:24.820 that didn't have

00:50:25.540 these same rules

00:50:26.280 it was like

00:50:27.080 all the bad parts

00:50:28.320 of isolationism

00:50:29.040 without any of

00:50:29.720 the good sides

00:50:30.500 and I must say

00:50:31.400 that isolationism

00:50:32.180 is in general

00:50:33.280 bad just as a

00:50:34.160 separate thing

00:50:34.740 from this conversation

00:50:35.620 specifically

00:50:36.880 if you

00:50:39.280 avoid

00:50:40.380 a specific

00:50:41.440 temptation

00:50:42.220 or if you

00:50:43.400 avoid learning

00:50:44.240 to overcome

00:50:44.720 a specific

00:50:45.220 technology

00:50:45.920 other groups

00:50:47.180 will out

00:50:47.500 compete you

00:50:47.980 so for example

00:50:48.680 within this

00:50:49.660 generation

00:50:50.200 America is

00:50:50.860 suffering

00:50:51.200 because China

00:50:52.280 is bombarding

00:50:53.180 us

00:50:53.480 with all

00:50:54.240 of these

00:50:54.780 you know

00:50:55.320 titty tainment

00:50:56.220 as they call it

00:50:56.860 right

00:50:57.140 on tiktok

00:50:58.080 and stuff

00:50:58.420 like that

00:50:58.780 but how

00:50:59.640 does America

00:51:00.360 react to that

00:51:00.900 how do people

00:51:01.440 like you

00:51:01.860 and me

00:51:02.140 how does

00:51:02.480 a new

00:51:02.880 right react

00:51:03.640 to that

00:51:03.940 we are

00:51:04.740 trying to

00:51:05.340 develop

00:51:05.900 new

00:51:06.660 cultural

00:51:07.200 systems

00:51:07.840 that are

00:51:08.420 resistant

00:51:08.820 to that

00:51:09.300 and in

00:51:10.200 50 years

00:51:10.980 when we

00:51:11.580 go back

00:51:11.980 to China

00:51:12.500 and they

00:51:13.140 already

00:51:13.540 are on

00:51:13.840 the back

00:51:14.160 foot

00:51:14.320 because

00:51:14.480 they

00:51:14.600 have

00:51:14.680 a

00:51:14.780 dwindling

00:51:15.140 population

00:51:15.740 a falling

00:51:16.260 apart

00:51:16.460 economy

00:51:16.860 which

00:51:17.060 are

00:51:17.160 all

00:51:17.300 basically

00:51:17.680 inevitabilities

00:51:18.360 at this

00:51:18.740 point

00:51:19.020 and now

00:51:19.720 we can

00:51:20.400 create

00:51:20.720 a new

00:51:21.040 opium

00:51:21.500 war

00:51:21.760 basically

00:51:22.140 so

00:51:22.460 the

00:51:22.860 opium

00:51:23.100 situation

00:51:23.500 is

00:51:23.720 so

00:51:25.160 cruelly

00:51:25.800 basically

00:51:26.380 forced

00:51:26.920 opium

00:51:27.320 on

00:51:27.520 China

00:51:27.780 and the

00:51:28.100 government

00:51:28.300 was like

00:51:28.640 don't

00:51:28.960 do

00:51:29.100 this

00:51:29.280 our

00:51:29.400 people

00:51:29.600 are

00:51:29.740 getting

00:51:29.900 addicted

00:51:30.180 to

00:51:30.400 it

00:51:30.520 and

00:51:30.640 they're

00:51:30.800 like

00:51:31.020 well

00:51:31.180 suck

00:51:31.440 it

00:51:31.560 up

00:51:31.760 we're

00:51:31.940 more

00:51:32.120 powerful

00:51:32.480 than

00:51:32.700 you

00:51:32.900 China

00:51:33.780 is

00:51:34.220 to an

00:51:34.560 extent

00:51:34.940 doing

00:51:35.340 that

00:51:35.580 to the

00:51:35.840 United

00:51:36.080 States

00:51:36.500 right

00:51:36.700 now

00:51:36.860 they

00:51:37.000 have

00:51:37.240 flooded

00:51:37.760 our

00:51:38.100 markets

00:51:38.460 with

00:51:38.640 opium

00:51:39.040 and

00:51:39.260 we

00:51:39.440 are

00:51:39.600 developing

00:51:40.080 cultural

00:51:40.580 resistances

00:51:41.280 to

00:51:41.520 this

00:51:41.840 and

00:51:42.400 when

00:51:42.640 the

00:51:42.860 table

00:51:43.200 is

00:51:43.540 flipped

00:51:43.940 it

00:51:44.480 might

00:51:44.820 be

00:51:45.180 that

00:51:45.460 our

00:51:45.780 experiences

00:51:53.720 ways

00:51:54.040 when

00:51:54.680 the

00:51:54.840 government

00:51:55.120 is

00:51:55.420 no

00:51:55.560 longer

00:51:55.800 controlling

00:51:56.240 these

00:51:56.500 systems

00:51:56.880 and

00:51:57.440 I

00:51:57.560 think

00:51:57.820 that

00:51:57.980 is

00:51:58.300 why

00:51:58.620 I

00:51:58.880 am

00:51:59.060 always

00:51:59.540 so

00:51:59.900 so

00:52:00.260 so

00:52:00.580 skeptical

00:52:01.100 of

00:52:01.720 anyone

00:52:01.920 who's

00:52:02.200 like

00:52:02.380 we

00:52:02.700 can

00:52:03.100 overcome

00:52:03.800 something

00:52:04.380 by

00:52:04.840 ignoring

00:52:05.980 it

00:52:06.360 and

00:52:06.760 restricting

00:52:07.080 access

00:52:07.420 to it

00:52:07.820 no

00:52:08.700 that

00:52:09.260 is

00:52:09.500 what

00:52:10.140 you

00:52:10.820 need

00:52:11.000 to

00:52:11.140 learn

00:52:11.340 to

00:52:11.560 resist

00:52:11.920 it

00:52:12.080 you

00:52:12.200 need

00:52:12.360 to

00:52:12.480 build

00:52:12.620 technologies

00:52:13.180 to

00:52:13.400 resist

00:52:13.700 it

00:52:13.800 as

00:52:13.980 soon

00:52:14.100 as

00:52:14.240 possible

00:52:14.600 because

00:52:15.160 in

00:52:15.420 the

00:52:15.580 long

00:52:15.840 run

00:52:16.000 that's

00:52:16.240 going

00:52:16.480 to

00:52:16.540 make

00:52:16.660 you

00:52:16.760 strong

00:52:17.120 but

00:52:17.840 I

00:52:17.940 also

00:52:18.120 think

00:52:18.280 this

00:52:18.440 shows

00:52:18.920 and

00:52:19.640 it's

00:52:19.760 something

00:52:19.920 that

00:52:20.100 I

00:52:20.300 think

00:52:20.580 about

00:52:20.760 a lot

00:52:21.020 in the

00:52:21.200 way

00:52:21.320 that

00:52:21.420 we

00:52:21.680 you

00:52:22.000 know

00:52:22.080 because

00:52:22.280 people

00:52:22.480 know

00:52:22.740 our

00:52:22.960 techno

00:52:23.200 puritan

00:52:23.520 project

00:52:23.920 techno

00:52:24.160 puritan.com

00:52:24.940 you can

00:52:25.160 check it

00:52:25.380 out

00:52:25.560 you can

00:52:25.840 check out

00:52:26.100 our

00:52:26.200 track

00:52:26.460 series

00:52:26.760 on

00:52:26.980 YouTube

00:52:27.280 where

00:52:27.880 we're

00:52:28.020 trying

00:52:28.360 to

00:52:28.520 outline

00:52:29.300 a

00:52:29.660 religious

00:52:29.920 system

00:52:30.280 for

00:52:30.420 our

00:52:30.560 kids

00:52:30.740 based

00:52:30.960 on

00:52:31.100 what

00:52:31.240 the

00:52:31.360 Bible

00:52:31.560 actually

00:52:31.940 says

00:52:32.360 rather

00:52:32.860 than

00:52:33.000 what

00:52:33.120 people

00:52:33.340 pretend

00:52:33.640 it

00:52:33.780 says

00:52:34.020 and

00:52:34.980 while

00:52:35.920 I'm

00:52:36.200 doing

00:52:36.480 it

00:52:36.700 I

00:52:36.880 always

00:52:37.400 ask

00:52:37.740 myself

00:52:38.180 okay

00:52:38.660 how

00:52:39.020 could

00:52:39.340 this

00:52:39.640 thing

00:52:39.860 I'm

00:52:40.120 saying

00:52:40.440 be

00:52:40.720 misinterpreted

00:52:41.720 how

00:52:42.660 could

00:52:42.960 this

00:52:43.200 thing

00:52:43.380 I'm

00:52:43.580 saying

00:52:43.960 cause

00:52:44.600 like

00:52:44.880 this

00:52:45.260 downstream

00:52:45.940 negative

00:52:46.760 consequence

00:52:47.300 and

00:52:48.060 I

00:52:48.200 think

00:52:48.460 that

00:52:48.920 Muhammad

00:52:49.740 put

00:52:50.240 a lot

00:52:50.780 of

00:52:50.920 thought

00:52:51.220 into

00:52:51.420 that

00:52:51.600 more

00:52:51.880 than

00:52:52.080 any

00:52:52.380 of

00:52:52.540 the

00:52:52.680 other

00:52:53.000 people

00:52:53.720 who

00:52:54.020 were

00:52:54.180 creating

00:52:54.640 religious

00:52:55.000 and

00:52:55.240 cultural

00:52:55.540 systems

00:52:56.140 but

00:52:56.900 he

00:52:57.460 didn't

00:52:57.740 have

00:52:58.200 any

00:52:58.480 previous

00:52:58.860 system

00:52:59.280 he

00:52:59.440 could

00:52:59.600 look

00:52:59.880 at

00:53:00.160 and

00:53:00.700 be

00:53:00.860 like

00:53:01.060 oh

00:53:01.440 I

00:53:02.020 need

00:53:02.260 to

00:53:02.400 leave

00:53:02.580 some

00:53:02.760 flexibility

00:53:03.220 here

00:53:06.700 that

00:53:07.240 changes

00:53:07.800 the

00:53:08.200 way

00:53:08.400 people

00:53:08.760 relate

00:53:09.160 to

00:53:09.360 this

00:53:09.800 or

00:53:10.060 this

00:53:10.500 or

00:53:10.740 this

00:53:11.180 strict

00:53:11.720 interpretation

00:53:12.460 and

00:53:13.240 so

00:53:13.420 it's

00:53:13.620 something

00:53:13.840 that

00:53:14.040 I

00:53:14.320 personally

00:53:14.960 put a

00:53:15.340 lot

00:53:15.480 of

00:53:15.600 thought

00:53:15.920 into

00:53:16.140 when

00:53:16.360 looking

00:53:16.660 at

00:53:16.860 something

00:53:17.180 like

00:53:17.560 pretty

00:53:18.460 much

00:53:18.640 all

00:53:19.080 of

00:53:19.380 the

00:53:19.600 negative

00:53:20.820 consequences

00:53:22.460 that

00:53:23.320 Islam

00:53:23.840 saw

00:53:24.400 came

00:53:25.640 from

00:53:26.360 positively

00:53:27.380 intentioned

00:53:28.460 ideas

00:53:29.180 that

00:53:29.900 on

00:53:30.720 the

00:53:31.020 surface

00:53:31.340 think

00:53:31.740 were

00:53:31.900 positively

00:53:32.320 intentioned

00:53:33.040 yeah

00:53:33.380 that's

00:53:33.660 what's

00:53:33.820 so

00:53:33.940 interesting

00:53:34.300 is

00:53:34.540 that

00:53:34.680 you

00:53:34.820 have

00:53:35.380 none

00:53:36.040 of

00:53:36.200 this

00:53:36.360 had

00:53:36.520 to

00:53:36.660 do

00:53:36.860 inherently

00:53:37.380 with

00:53:38.280 the

00:53:39.680 Islamic

00:53:40.040 religion

00:53:40.540 none

00:53:41.000 of

00:53:41.120 this

00:53:41.260 had

00:53:41.420 inherently

00:53:41.780 to

00:53:42.040 do

00:53:42.280 with

00:53:42.720 aside

00:53:43.580 from

00:53:43.860 the

00:53:44.040 whole

00:53:44.200 big

00:53:44.520 calligraphy

00:53:45.200 thing

00:53:45.600 I'm

00:53:45.900 going to

00:53:46.080 argue

00:53:46.420 also

00:53:46.960 there

00:53:47.920 is

00:53:48.160 the

00:53:48.320 factor

00:53:48.560 of

00:53:48.720 women

00:53:48.900 not

00:53:49.120 participating

00:53:49.500 in the

00:53:49.760 workplace

00:53:50.060 in a

00:53:50.640 historic

00:53:50.980 basis

00:53:51.440 but now

00:53:51.940 Islamic

00:53:52.400 women

00:53:52.660 actually

00:53:53.080 get more

00:53:53.740 dim degrees

00:53:54.480 than

00:53:54.640 Islamic

00:53:54.920 men

00:53:55.200 in most

00:53:56.100 of the

00:53:56.300 Muslim

00:53:56.540 countries

00:53:56.860 this is

00:53:57.160 actually

00:53:57.360 a big

00:53:57.660 problem

00:53:58.020 is that

00:53:58.620 the

00:53:58.720 women

00:53:58.880 are

00:53:59.020 just

00:53:59.200 because

00:53:59.700 the

00:53:59.880 men

00:54:00.080 go to

00:54:00.500 become

00:54:06.040 there's

00:54:08.260 traditional

00:54:08.800 Christians

00:54:09.240 in the

00:54:09.500 United

00:54:09.620 States

00:54:09.820 they're

00:54:10.000 all

00:54:10.180 about

00:54:10.400 classics

00:54:10.760 degrees

00:54:11.080 and I'm

00:54:11.340 like

00:54:11.480 so

00:54:11.720 against

00:54:12.020 them

00:54:12.200 I'm

00:54:12.360 like

00:54:12.540 no

00:54:12.880 find

00:54:13.320 another

00:54:13.560 way

00:54:13.700 to

00:54:13.820 respect

00:54:14.060 your

00:54:14.260 culture

00:54:14.560 this is

00:54:15.220 something

00:54:15.400 you should

00:54:15.820 be studying

00:54:16.200 recreationally

00:54:17.380 not as

00:54:18.060 your

00:54:18.200 primary

00:54:18.680 thing

00:54:19.180 I really

00:54:20.440 like the

00:54:20.680 way a lot

00:54:21.440 of Jews

00:54:21.760 do this

00:54:22.220 they'll get

00:54:23.120 a college

00:54:23.480 degree

00:54:23.860 in law

00:54:24.500 or something

00:54:24.860 like that

00:54:25.220 and then

00:54:25.420 they go

00:54:25.680 to the

00:54:26.000 Torah

00:54:28.360 school

00:54:28.880 as an

00:54:29.580 extra

00:54:29.860 thing

00:54:30.220 that I'm

00:54:30.960 all about

00:54:31.500 if you

00:54:31.880 want to

00:54:32.060 do

00:54:32.160 an extra

00:54:32.620 two years

00:54:33.040 of

00:54:33.140 education

00:54:33.560 in the

00:54:33.820 classics

00:54:34.160 fine

00:54:34.620 but that

00:54:35.380 shouldn't

00:54:35.660 be like

00:54:36.020 instead

00:54:36.460 of a

00:54:36.840 STEM

00:54:37.040 degree

00:54:37.380 but in

00:54:38.140 Muslim

00:54:38.740 culture

00:54:39.180 it was

00:54:39.580 actually

00:54:39.800 very

00:54:40.000 common

00:54:40.360 but the

00:54:40.700 women

00:54:40.940 they're

00:54:41.880 like

00:54:42.020 well I

00:54:42.280 need to

00:54:42.540 support

00:54:42.780 the

00:54:42.960 family

00:54:43.260 so I'll

00:54:43.740 get the

00:54:44.040 real

00:54:44.300 degree

00:54:44.660 and this

00:54:45.380 creates

00:54:45.800 an

00:54:45.960 interesting

00:54:46.280 phenomenon

00:54:46.720 that a lot

00:54:47.120 of people

00:54:47.420 might hear

00:54:47.920 of

00:54:48.080 which is

00:54:48.680 the less

00:54:49.620 the more

00:54:50.480 gender

00:54:50.880 equality

00:54:51.700 a country

00:54:52.180 has

00:54:52.480 and the

00:54:52.720 more

00:54:52.860 freedom

00:54:53.260 women

00:54:53.500 have

00:54:53.720 in a

00:54:53.880 country

00:54:54.140 the

00:54:54.880 fewer

00:54:55.740 STEM

00:54:56.120 degrees

00:54:56.480 they get

00:54:56.920 and the

00:54:57.180 more

00:54:57.360 humanities

00:54:57.840 degrees

00:54:58.320 they get

00:54:58.800 and the

00:54:59.440 less

00:54:59.680 equality

00:55:00.120 women

00:55:00.340 have

00:55:00.540 the more

00:55:01.020 STEM

00:55:01.420 and hard

00:55:01.900 science

00:55:02.300 degrees

00:55:02.620 they get

00:55:03.020 and the

00:55:03.260 less

00:55:03.460 humanities

00:55:03.900 degrees

00:55:04.260 they get

00:55:04.640 like in

00:55:05.920 the

00:55:06.040 Netherlands

00:55:06.420 the rates

00:55:07.120 of STEM

00:55:07.380 degrees

00:55:07.620 are like

00:55:07.940 super

00:55:08.260 super low

00:55:08.880 you go

00:55:09.420 to the

00:55:09.600 UAE

00:55:09.900 they're

00:55:10.080 like

00:55:10.280 super

00:55:10.560 super

00:55:10.780 high

00:55:11.100 do you

00:55:15.220 think

00:55:15.460 well

00:55:15.800 so

00:55:16.160 if you

00:55:16.700 were

00:55:17.060 a

00:55:17.780 leader

00:55:18.380 in

00:55:19.160 a

00:55:19.720 majority

00:55:20.140 Muslim

00:55:20.560 country

00:55:21.000 or

00:55:21.580 an

00:55:21.880 Islamic

00:55:22.340 religious

00:55:22.860 leader

00:55:23.280 you know

00:55:23.700 with

00:55:23.880 sort

00:55:24.100 of

00:55:24.200 more

00:55:24.400 cultural

00:55:24.920 influence

00:55:25.580 are there

00:55:27.080 things

00:55:27.480 that you

00:55:27.800 would

00:55:27.960 try

00:55:28.360 to

00:55:28.740 shift

00:55:29.180 or

00:55:29.420 nudge

00:55:29.840 now

00:55:30.280 to

00:55:31.300 counter

00:55:33.140 some

00:55:33.780 of the

00:55:34.140 general

00:55:34.540 trajectories

00:55:35.480 that

00:55:35.740 obviously

00:55:36.260 I mean

00:55:36.620 you can't

00:55:37.380 flip

00:55:37.720 things

00:55:37.980 this has

00:55:38.360 been

00:55:38.480 happening

00:55:38.780 for

00:55:38.980 hundreds

00:55:39.220 of

00:55:39.440 years

00:55:39.720 right

00:55:39.980 you know

00:55:40.200 this is

00:55:40.560 now

00:55:41.320 your

00:55:42.100 whole

00:55:42.660 cultural

00:55:44.060 religious

00:55:44.440 system

00:55:44.940 is facing

00:55:45.520 a systemic

00:55:46.020 disadvantage

00:55:46.580 that was

00:55:46.980 kicked off

00:55:47.420 a long

00:55:47.660 time ago

00:55:48.100 but what

00:55:48.700 would you

00:55:48.980 try to

00:55:49.280 do to

00:55:49.520 try to

00:55:49.820 shift

00:55:50.060 the

00:55:50.240 trajectory

00:55:51.000 back in

00:55:51.620 the direction

00:55:52.040 of wealth

00:55:53.180 and earnings

00:55:53.880 and prosperity

00:55:54.800 and influence

00:55:55.580 I think a real

00:55:56.440 thing to note

00:55:57.100 here is the

00:55:57.640 notes of sale

00:55:58.380 thing right

00:55:58.880 like the

00:55:59.200 use of

00:55:59.580 Christianity

00:56:01.660 used to have

00:56:02.680 these as

00:56:03.120 well

00:56:03.400 and it

00:56:04.740 abandoned

00:56:05.380 them

00:56:05.960 and

00:56:06.600 this is to

00:56:07.980 say that

00:56:08.480 you know

00:56:08.760 I think

00:56:09.120 religions need

00:56:09.760 to be living

00:56:10.260 things

00:56:10.840 and you

00:56:11.700 need to

00:56:12.060 look at

00:56:12.660 the original

00:56:13.080 text

00:56:13.480 see if there's

00:56:14.320 other ways

00:56:14.720 it could be

00:56:15.060 interpreted

00:56:15.500 I'd say that

00:56:16.960 I'd say that

00:56:17.620 what we can see

00:56:18.400 is there's nothing

00:56:18.860 intrinsic about

00:56:20.280 Islam that makes

00:56:21.240 it anti-science

00:56:21.980 like clearly it was

00:56:23.040 very good at

00:56:23.880 science for a

00:56:24.520 period

00:56:24.740 but I think that

00:56:25.880 culturally speaking

00:56:26.820 right now it's

00:56:27.600 definitely going in

00:56:28.440 the wrong direction

00:56:29.220 by this what I mean

00:56:30.720 is a lot of the

00:56:32.280 men are you know

00:56:33.500 getting these

00:56:34.180 well these

00:56:35.480 basically humanities

00:56:36.480 degrees

00:56:36.980 and yet

00:56:38.060 they have

00:56:38.460 these leading

00:56:38.940 positions in

00:56:39.640 society

00:56:40.120 which is

00:56:41.260 even even

00:56:42.000 when they have

00:56:42.700 wealth which

00:56:43.560 leads them to

00:56:44.160 make like really

00:56:44.920 bad decisions

00:56:45.920 because they're

00:56:47.160 not thinking

00:56:47.840 like somebody

00:56:48.780 who actually

00:56:49.480 needs to make

00:56:50.200 stuff work

00:56:51.020 and yeah

00:56:52.380 it's it's just

00:56:53.300 a bad scenario

00:56:54.360 and I also note

00:56:55.180 that you know

00:56:55.980 when we were

00:56:56.560 visiting like

00:56:57.580 yes you have

00:56:58.640 been in a

00:56:59.060 Muslim majority

00:56:59.660 country Simone

00:57:00.280 you were in

00:57:00.600 Morocco with me

00:57:01.440 oh I forgot

00:57:02.200 do you remember

00:57:03.560 all the calligraphy

00:57:04.300 everywhere

00:57:04.720 yeah

00:57:05.700 sorry

00:57:07.060 I pranked

00:57:07.820 everything in

00:57:08.420 the past

00:57:08.920 do you remember

00:57:10.020 when we were

00:57:10.560 visiting like

00:57:11.340 those tribal

00:57:12.000 areas

00:57:12.640 yeah

00:57:13.100 and that

00:57:14.160 so the one

00:57:14.840 tribal group

00:57:15.820 they had

00:57:16.860 the men

00:57:17.600 didn't work

00:57:18.160 at all

00:57:18.680 they would

00:57:19.040 only study

00:57:19.620 the Quran

00:57:20.080 all day

00:57:20.540 every day

00:57:21.040 and the women

00:57:21.840 did all the work

00:57:22.640 and there was

00:57:23.040 like infinitely

00:57:23.960 deep well

00:57:24.740 they had

00:57:25.260 abandoned

00:57:25.660 the settlement

00:57:26.740 area that we

00:57:27.260 were looking

00:57:27.660 at

00:57:27.920 that the

00:57:28.460 women had

00:57:28.720 just dug

00:57:29.200 and dug

00:57:29.640 and dug

00:57:30.060 until a local

00:57:31.000 city

00:57:31.240 because it

00:57:31.620 was taking

00:57:31.920 all the water

00:57:32.300 so they moved

00:57:33.140 out to another

00:57:33.760 like further

00:57:34.540 nomadic area

00:57:35.300 but I think

00:57:36.520 that this is

00:57:37.240 really unproductive

00:57:38.640 when cultural

00:57:39.420 groups do this

00:57:40.280 when they have

00:57:41.300 the men

00:57:41.740 just study

00:57:42.840 their religious

00:57:43.540 texts all day

00:57:44.380 and the women

00:57:45.240 are expected

00:57:45.760 to do all the

00:57:46.360 work

00:57:46.700 I'm not

00:57:47.460 I'm not

00:57:49.980 thinking of

00:57:50.400 any group

00:57:50.780 in particular

00:57:51.300 here

00:57:51.760 not

00:57:52.740 not the

00:57:53.640 Haridi

00:57:54.060 for sure

00:57:54.800 no

00:57:55.500 because I

00:57:56.760 had studied

00:57:57.340 Islam

00:57:58.180 before I

00:57:59.400 had studied

00:57:59.920 Judaism much

00:58:00.940 it was so

00:58:01.780 interesting to me

00:58:02.580 that as soon

00:58:03.060 as I met

00:58:03.380 the Haridi

00:58:03.680 I go

00:58:03.880 oh you guys

00:58:04.760 are like

00:58:05.080 extremist

00:58:05.540 Muslims

00:58:05.940 and they're

00:58:06.820 like wait

00:58:07.120 what

00:58:07.440 no

00:58:07.880 and I was

00:58:08.320 like no

00:58:08.860 this is the

00:58:09.300 way Muslims

00:58:09.840 live

00:58:10.160 and they're

00:58:10.420 like wait

00:58:10.700 no we're

00:58:11.360 like extra

00:58:12.100 Jewish

00:58:12.580 and I was

00:58:13.200 like I've

00:58:13.580 never seen a

00:58:14.020 cultural group

00:58:14.480 that does

00:58:14.820 this in the

00:58:15.180 world other

00:58:15.600 than Muslims

00:58:16.200 rural pastoralist

00:58:17.500 Muslims live

00:58:18.060 like this

00:58:18.440 which okay

00:58:21.620 and that was

00:58:22.920 that was my

00:58:23.900 immediate

00:58:24.480 assumption

00:58:25.000 and it still

00:58:25.940 is an assumption

00:58:26.540 I have in the

00:58:27.180 back of my

00:58:27.580 head where

00:58:28.120 to me they

00:58:29.200 feel because

00:58:30.420 of like my

00:58:31.200 education

00:58:31.640 when I was

00:58:32.180 introduced to

00:58:32.740 Judaism

00:58:33.120 I studied

00:58:34.240 historic

00:58:34.780 Judaism

00:58:35.220 and I

00:58:36.020 studied you

00:58:36.720 know modern

00:58:37.480 orthodox

00:58:38.180 Judaism but

00:58:38.920 not or not

00:58:40.080 orthodox

00:58:40.420 conservative

00:58:40.900 Judaism

00:58:41.300 and it's a

00:58:42.340 movement it's

00:58:42.860 not conservative

00:58:43.620 small c it's

00:58:44.240 like a name

00:58:44.760 for a movement

00:58:45.240 of Judaism

00:58:45.700 so because I

00:58:46.500 knew conservative

00:58:47.060 Judaism and I

00:58:48.140 knew historic

00:58:48.900 Judaism when I

00:58:50.060 saw and started

00:58:51.140 looking at the

00:58:51.980 Haridi and I

00:58:52.640 traveled through

00:58:53.260 Israel and stuff

00:58:53.980 like that my

00:58:55.020 brain just coded

00:58:55.900 them as

00:58:56.700 Muslim-y Jews

00:58:58.420 and that's the

00:58:59.260 way I thought

00:58:59.740 of them for

00:59:00.160 a long time

00:59:01.060 okay I

00:59:04.860 mean I

00:59:05.720 can see it

00:59:06.580 I can see

00:59:07.480 it well I

00:59:08.900 mean you

00:59:09.200 remember those

00:59:10.000 groups right of

00:59:10.720 the Muslims

00:59:11.400 who in the

00:59:12.420 in the in

00:59:13.180 the pastoralist

00:59:14.260 regions that

00:59:14.960 lived in the

00:59:15.360 desert and where

00:59:16.140 the men just

00:59:16.600 didn't do

00:59:16.860 anything but

00:59:17.260 study all day

00:59:17.840 and I just

00:59:18.720 remember going

00:59:19.820 over their

00:59:20.140 settlements and I

00:59:20.740 was like well

00:59:21.120 this is explains

00:59:22.840 why their

00:59:23.300 technology didn't

00:59:24.160 advance so much

00:59:24.900 you need both

00:59:25.620 genders to work

00:59:26.480 together to make

00:59:27.420 things better you

00:59:28.160 can't have one

00:59:29.000 just dick around

00:59:30.940 with a book all

00:59:31.540 day so how

00:59:32.880 would I change

00:59:33.400 things I mean

00:59:33.980 I I like like

00:59:36.680 like okay the

00:59:37.360 the prince of

00:59:38.080 Saudi Arabia right

00:59:38.840 now he needs to

00:59:39.440 like turn down

00:59:40.380 the murder okay

00:59:41.460 turn down the

00:59:42.180 murder but I

00:59:44.500 like a lot of

00:59:45.160 his ideas I

00:59:46.740 think that Islam

00:59:48.320 has the

00:59:48.880 potentiality to

00:59:50.140 be great again

00:59:50.900 but I think

00:59:52.220 that the

00:59:54.800 leadership cast

00:59:56.000 needs to get

00:59:57.040 more involved with

00:59:57.820 the theology

00:59:58.460 so right now

01:00:00.240 the way a lot

01:00:01.040 of Islamic

01:00:01.640 cultures work

01:00:02.340 and I'd

01:00:02.580 actually say

01:00:02.900 this is what's

01:00:03.540 going to cause

01:00:03.860 the death

01:00:04.180 of Islamic

01:00:04.940 culture not

01:00:05.520 in terms of

01:00:05.960 fertility rates

01:00:06.740 because typically

01:00:07.860 the less money

01:00:08.340 you have the

01:00:08.600 more kids you

01:00:09.080 have but in

01:00:09.500 terms of

01:00:09.800 long-term

01:00:10.260 cultural relevance

01:00:11.160 is that if you

01:00:13.440 look at like the

01:00:14.100 Saudis you had

01:00:15.260 two groups from

01:00:16.180 an alliance the

01:00:17.160 Wahhabists and

01:00:18.400 the royal family

01:00:19.260 so the Wahhabists

01:00:20.580 a lot of people

01:00:20.980 don't know this

01:00:21.620 this was like a

01:00:22.460 religious group of

01:00:23.420 clerics that had a

01:00:25.020 particularly strict

01:00:25.960 interpretation of

01:00:27.040 Islamic law and

01:00:28.780 then the royal

01:00:29.900 family sort of

01:00:30.760 started working with

01:00:31.460 them and they

01:00:31.900 ended up building

01:00:32.580 up this empire

01:00:33.540 together and it

01:00:35.460 sort of was this

01:00:36.320 like implicit thing

01:00:37.340 like we'll help

01:00:38.080 you Wahhabists if

01:00:39.220 you give us

01:00:40.360 legitimacy the

01:00:41.500 royal family and

01:00:43.260 remember that what

01:00:44.360 percent of it

01:00:44.980 Muslims live in

01:00:45.860 democracies it's

01:00:46.820 like really small

01:00:47.600 isn't it I mean

01:00:48.840 yeah it is yeah

01:00:50.660 only 14 percent of

01:00:51.760 Muslims live under

01:00:52.400 democratic system

01:00:53.280 while 60 percent

01:00:53.960 of the world's

01:00:54.380 countries are

01:00:54.840 governed democratically

01:00:55.860 and so you might

01:00:56.980 be like well what's

01:00:57.620 the problem of

01:00:58.540 like a religious

01:01:00.280 family being

01:01:01.480 partnered with a

01:01:02.460 royal family I

01:01:03.660 am actually more

01:01:04.700 pro true theocracies

01:01:06.820 than I am pro

01:01:07.880 this oh interesting

01:01:09.840 why I am more

01:01:11.220 pro the Iranian

01:01:12.260 system than I am

01:01:13.360 pro what is the

01:01:14.300 Iranian system

01:01:15.180 basically everything

01:01:18.140 is run by the

01:01:19.000 the priest head

01:01:21.760 guy and they have

01:01:22.600 a democratic

01:01:22.980 government that

01:01:23.560 works under that

01:01:24.400 but he's sort of

01:01:25.700 the and I'll be

01:01:26.560 the Ayatollah

01:01:27.820 gentlemen gentlemen

01:01:30.280 if we do nothing

01:01:32.200 else this week we

01:01:34.120 must conceive at

01:01:35.620 least one terrorist

01:01:36.900 act that will show

01:01:38.900 all the world that

01:01:40.760 the United States is

01:01:42.640 but a paper tiger a

01:01:44.760 weak nation of weak

01:01:46.740 people cowards no

01:01:49.080 longer willing to

01:01:50.060 fight

01:01:50.520 don't ever let me

01:02:14.240 catch you guys in

01:02:15.420 America

01:02:15.960 anyway but the

01:02:19.580 Saudi Arabia system

01:02:20.280 is a partnership

01:02:20.780 between the religious

01:02:21.460 and it's like what's

01:02:22.240 the problem well

01:02:23.040 because the religious

01:02:23.980 system is going to

01:02:24.740 have a differentiated

01:02:26.720 hierarchy than the

01:02:28.180 system that needs to

01:02:29.140 make the government

01:02:29.900 work and so what

01:02:31.600 ends up happening

01:02:32.740 is the the religious

01:02:35.700 guys end up competing

01:02:37.420 within a power

01:02:38.120 hierarchy where they

01:02:39.420 win by being more

01:02:40.800 extreme in their

01:02:41.900 religiosity the guys

01:02:44.560 who are actually

01:02:45.040 supposed to be

01:02:45.500 running things need

01:02:46.360 to appease this

01:02:47.580 group that has

01:02:48.320 become ultra

01:02:48.900 extreme in their

01:02:49.560 religiosity because

01:02:50.440 they don't actually

01:02:51.060 care about how

01:02:51.600 wealthy the country

01:02:52.240 is they don't

01:02:52.920 actually care about

01:02:53.760 the you know

01:02:54.600 geopolitical situation

01:02:56.280 they don't actually

01:02:56.800 care about the

01:02:57.460 situation on the

01:02:58.020 ground for the

01:02:58.440 average person living

01:02:59.220 in the country they

01:03:00.160 just care about their

01:03:00.720 own internal

01:03:01.380 ultra religious power

01:03:02.260 hierarchy where if

01:03:03.460 you combine these

01:03:04.380 groups into one

01:03:05.640 group or you they

01:03:07.100 better work together

01:03:08.420 you could do

01:03:09.680 essentially what we

01:03:10.760 are doing with

01:03:11.540 Christianity in

01:03:12.900 terms of the

01:03:13.360 techno-Puritan

01:03:14.000 project which is

01:03:15.280 to say okay

01:03:16.160 reading what's

01:03:17.200 actually in the

01:03:17.900 Quran let's see if

01:03:20.060 this stuff might be

01:03:21.600 able to be

01:03:22.220 interpreted

01:03:22.660 differently now that

01:03:23.620 we have better

01:03:24.100 access to technology

01:03:25.220 better access to

01:03:26.100 historical records of

01:03:28.420 what was going on

01:03:29.280 during the period

01:03:29.960 and keep in mind I

01:03:30.900 consider Islam one

01:03:31.860 of the true

01:03:32.300 religions so I

01:03:33.560 think that if they

01:03:34.600 actually went back

01:03:35.560 and studied this

01:03:36.300 stuff in context

01:03:37.100 they would find it's

01:03:38.220 not telling them to

01:03:39.340 do all of this

01:03:40.360 really not useful

01:03:42.400 stuff in terms of

01:03:43.400 how they're living

01:03:43.920 their lives which is

01:03:45.000 is slowing down

01:03:46.220 technological progress

01:03:47.200 in these regions

01:03:47.880 and they might be

01:03:49.120 able to build a

01:03:50.280 tradition that they

01:03:51.960 can adhere to

01:03:52.600 strictly so do not

01:03:53.900 compromise to the

01:03:54.740 urban monoculture

01:03:55.480 absolutely do not

01:03:56.740 the west is you

01:03:59.600 are right to see

01:04:00.560 these western

01:04:01.140 cultural influences

01:04:02.060 as toxic they are

01:04:03.560 they are destroying

01:04:04.440 many of our

01:04:04.920 societies but you

01:04:06.960 cannot just rely on

01:04:08.740 a pre-industrial

01:04:10.840 understanding of

01:04:11.860 your religion we

01:04:13.340 know more now as

01:04:14.680 a species and I

01:04:15.860 think that Allah

01:04:16.780 expects you to

01:04:18.640 reinterpret your

01:04:20.100 religious texts

01:04:20.920 with this new

01:04:22.280 knowledge that we

01:04:23.180 have and with

01:04:24.300 these new cultural

01:04:25.120 understandings we

01:04:26.080 have to make them

01:04:27.120 better there's just

01:04:27.900 never going to be a

01:04:28.580 motivation to do

01:04:30.680 that if the people

01:04:31.720 who are in charge of

01:04:32.500 running things and

01:04:33.280 who are responsible

01:04:33.780 for the future of

01:04:34.500 the society are

01:04:35.580 separated from the

01:04:36.540 people who are the

01:04:38.960 theocratic class

01:04:40.200 right but I don't

01:04:44.020 know how this would

01:04:44.840 solve it because

01:04:45.620 wasn't that fully

01:04:47.200 integrated at the

01:04:48.220 time when most of

01:04:49.200 these policies which

01:04:50.100 have since turned

01:04:51.100 out to be quite

01:04:51.720 damaging were first

01:04:52.780 implemented yeah but

01:04:54.560 when they were first

01:04:55.060 implemented they

01:04:55.820 weren't damaging

01:04:56.460 so you're saying

01:05:00.080 they were fine at

01:05:01.360 the beginning but

01:05:02.300 poor governance

01:05:03.180 design and

01:05:03.880 misaligned incentives

01:05:04.840 caused them to

01:05:05.920 become toxic

01:05:07.000 yeah

01:05:07.920 bureaucratic

01:05:11.840 bloat

01:05:12.640 misincentive

01:05:13.600 the Ottoman

01:05:14.420 Empire and we

01:05:15.240 talk about this in

01:05:15.860 the pragmatic

01:05:16.140 governments it was

01:05:17.200 just too large and

01:05:18.840 for too long and it

01:05:20.100 became bloated and

01:05:21.380 it didn't die fast

01:05:22.500 enough if the

01:05:23.400 Ottoman Empire had

01:05:24.180 died quickly around

01:05:26.020 the year 1000 or

01:05:26.960 something like that

01:05:27.620 I suspect Islam

01:05:29.360 today could be in

01:05:30.560 the state of most

01:05:31.560 Christian faith even

01:05:33.800 even with all of

01:05:34.580 these things weighing

01:05:35.160 it down I mean it

01:05:35.900 become a warring set

01:05:37.140 of states it would

01:05:38.000 have done much

01:05:38.440 better

01:05:38.680 okay that I guess

01:05:42.800 yeah I mean that

01:05:44.220 could be the answer

01:05:44.820 to anything though

01:05:45.620 you know like well

01:05:48.100 the world would be

01:05:48.840 better if we just

01:05:50.420 had better governance

01:05:52.260 design and it would

01:05:53.180 almost everything

01:05:54.200 would be better

01:05:54.940 fresh governance

01:05:56.020 design more I mean

01:05:56.720 the US is entering a

01:05:57.840 state like this soon

01:05:58.780 it is well it is but

01:06:00.300 also like even brand

01:06:01.840 new governments can

01:06:03.180 do terrible horrifying

01:06:05.080 things with bad

01:06:05.940 governance design

01:06:06.840 enter communist China

01:06:08.780 under Mao you know

01:06:10.500 this is one of those

01:06:11.100 things that just

01:06:11.760 enter CHOP or CHAZ

01:06:13.480 yeah enter anything so

01:06:15.080 it doesn't matter no

01:06:17.060 matter what how much

01:06:17.960 time you have or how

01:06:19.200 new or old something

01:06:20.160 is bad governance is

01:06:21.440 what will destroy it in

01:06:23.360 the end so I don't

01:06:24.800 know if that's my

01:06:26.340 preferred answer and

01:06:27.500 that's that to me feels

01:06:28.920 like the lazy answer but

01:06:30.440 I guess it's also the

01:06:31.200 true answer so how

01:06:32.260 do we get around it

01:06:33.060 right but just no

01:06:34.280 it's not governance

01:06:35.180 design is that you

01:06:36.200 need to build a better

01:06:37.900 religion and when I

01:06:39.500 say build a better

01:06:40.440 religion I don't mean

01:06:41.480 a religion that's out

01:06:42.320 in line with what the

01:06:43.340 Quran says I mean a

01:06:45.040 religion that isn't a

01:06:47.020 year 1000 interpretation

01:06:49.120 of the Quran with a

01:06:50.560 year 1000 understanding

01:06:52.000 of science and a year

01:06:53.100 1000 understanding of

01:06:54.640 technology and a year

01:06:55.520 1000 that's the

01:06:56.900 problem it's not the

01:06:58.060 Quran it's that you're

01:06:59.460 looking at it through a

01:07:00.720 medieval lens and

01:07:01.860 you're still trying to

01:07:03.020 compete within those

01:07:03.880 hierarchies so you're

01:07:06.140 saying basically they

01:07:07.000 need to drain the

01:07:07.680 swamp they need to

01:07:09.220 start fresh just do

01:07:12.060 you think do you think

01:07:12.860 something that would be

01:07:13.600 beneficial for religions

01:07:16.360 is for every I don't

01:07:20.260 know 200 years 100

01:07:21.580 years 50 years just give

01:07:23.160 give me a time interval

01:07:24.280 you completely flush the

01:07:28.380 entire governance system

01:07:29.980 and both redesign it and

01:07:32.660 restaff it yes like it

01:07:35.560 would I feel like it

01:07:36.480 would work really well

01:07:37.280 for Catholicism for even

01:07:39.860 just that short I'd say

01:07:41.520 every 50 or 100 years

01:07:43.400 yes I would say 50 years

01:07:45.080 maybe like once every

01:07:48.540 generation at least okay

01:07:51.060 then once every 30 years

01:07:52.340 I think that's a good

01:07:52.980 once every 30 years yeah is

01:07:54.720 just and and also for not

01:07:57.180 just for religions for

01:07:59.560 governments I guess it

01:08:00.600 would be difficult there

01:08:02.120 are probably some things

01:08:03.120 that need to be continuous

01:08:04.220 but then you need a

01:08:06.560 persistent governance

01:08:07.280 system overseeing the new

01:08:08.820 design yeah I don't know

01:08:11.420 but yeah I just talk about

01:08:12.760 this in a governance design

01:08:13.700 video I love you to

01:08:14.640 death Simone this has been a

01:08:16.120 spectacular conversation I

01:08:17.900 love you too Malcolm what do

01:08:20.320 you want for dinner okay

01:08:21.720 dare you knock my ideas

01:08:23.600 because I'm always correct

01:08:25.140 and never possibly wrong

01:08:26.460 well you are actually

01:08:27.520 pretty good with the

01:08:28.160 visual stuff so I'll give

01:08:29.760 it a try because that's

01:08:31.160 what the woman folks

01:08:32.000 this actually turned out

01:08:33.200 pretty good looking this

01:08:34.400 new set I'm I don't hate

01:08:36.580 it no it's no we have to

01:08:38.400 buy property this is like

01:08:39.840 the janky we're trying a

01:08:41.540 new place for the first

01:08:42.440 time set up well the fans

01:08:44.240 can let us know if they

01:08:45.140 like the the change in set

01:08:46.520 location because somebody

01:08:47.440 was like oh you should get

01:08:48.180 proper lighting you should

01:08:49.080 get everything like that and

01:08:49.780 then I'm like well then I

01:08:50.320 need a permanent set and

01:08:51.300 there was only one place

01:08:52.040 in the house I could do

01:08:52.720 that which was my bedroom

01:08:53.620 well a lot of work is

01:08:56.000 needed trust me but we'll

01:08:57.340 get there and maybe

01:08:59.980 they're talking about my

01:09:00.920 setup I don't know

01:09:01.800 recording equipment

01:09:02.480 actually get like decent

01:09:03.780 decent stuff I mean the

01:09:05.000 stuff we have right now is

01:09:05.900 pretty top of the line for

01:09:06.860 like midline stuff but I

01:09:08.820 love top of the midline I

01:09:10.360 think that's what we're all

01:09:11.260 about is top of the midline

01:09:13.220 it's well that's you see

01:09:14.520 that's the quiet luxury

01:09:15.920 that's the stealth wealth of

01:09:17.680 of recording you know you

01:09:19.100 don't want to go all the

01:09:19.880 way with recording

01:09:21.120 devices is you're

01:09:22.100 typically better having a

01:09:23.520 few top of the midline

01:09:24.700 things than one top of the

01:09:25.880 line thing yeah because

01:09:27.160 the top of the line things

01:09:28.180 always seem to fail at like

01:09:29.440 something basic like

01:09:30.600 highlighting conditions or

01:09:31.980 low lighting conditions or

01:09:33.500 you know and then it's like

01:09:34.940 well what's the point of

01:09:36.260 this right you know but if

01:09:37.260 you have like five top of

01:09:38.380 the midline cameras then you

01:09:39.580 can switch them out yeah so

01:09:41.280 we'll figure something out

01:09:42.640 well we'll be looking

01:09:44.500 professional just for you

01:09:46.720 guys we're I know we're

01:09:48.140 talking about money I

01:09:48.960 learned a really fun money

01:09:49.980 stat that I've been dying to

01:09:51.280 share with you ever since I

01:09:52.140 read it last night it's

01:09:53.700 about thin privilege but

01:09:55.200 it's also really striking do

01:09:56.600 you want to have you heard

01:09:57.540 this yet oh yeah no I I've

01:10:00.220 read this really interesting

01:10:01.900 money stat last night and

01:10:03.400 I've been dying to share it

01:10:04.280 with you and I just

01:10:04.800 remembered it now have you

01:10:06.420 read this thing about thin

01:10:08.040 privilege that just came

01:10:09.180 out no okay you know we

01:10:12.400 love talking about the fats

01:10:13.660 and the fins on this

01:10:14.340 podcast so and Simone

01:10:17.160 those it's those inclined

01:10:19.020 to rotundities inclined to

01:10:20.640 rotundities as Emily Post

01:10:22.200 wrote God bless her she's

01:10:23.800 the best so according to a

01:10:25.660 time coverage of this this

01:10:28.220 research according to a

01:10:29.980 study in the Journal of

01:10:30.840 Applied Psychology women

01:10:32.020 who are very thin earn at

01:10:34.540 nearly twenty two thousand

01:10:35.820 dollars more than their

01:10:37.400 average weight counterparts

01:10:38.880 this study was conducted by

01:10:40.720 Timothy a judge from the

01:10:41.900 University of Florida and

01:10:43.140 Daniel the course of their

01:10:44.160 life per year

01:10:45.660 wow and not only are women

01:10:50.200 earning less if they are

01:10:51.400 average weight they're

01:10:52.820 actually punished if they

01:10:54.380 are overweight Forbes

01:10:55.380 reports that heavy and

01:10:57.320 very heavy women lost over

01:10:59.720 nine thousand and almost

01:11:00.880 nineteen thousand

01:11:01.720 respectively than their

01:11:03.040 average weight

01:11:03.560 counterparts and a lot of

01:11:05.380 people are chalking this up

01:11:06.560 to thin privilege and fat

01:11:08.640 hate which I'm sure plays a

01:11:10.920 role in it but I think what

01:11:12.080 is underrated and this is

01:11:13.460 why I will never

01:11:14.960 successfully run for

01:11:16.500 anything apparently or like

01:11:17.740 will always be canceled is

01:11:20.080 that

01:11:20.940 body composition can be a

01:11:27.260 demonstration of

01:11:29.360 behavioral

01:11:30.480 phenotypes well and I would

01:11:33.860 say that it is not always

01:11:35.520 that and she is not claiming

01:11:37.360 it is always that but she is

01:11:38.760 claiming that there are

01:11:39.660 statistically enough times

01:11:42.100 where it is that but there's

01:11:43.200 going to be some level of

01:11:44.100 correlation which is also

01:11:45.780 going to show up in the

01:11:47.420 earnings data yeah well and

01:11:49.140 what's meaningful is that

01:11:51.680 very thin women are the ones

01:11:54.660 making twenty two thousand

01:11:55.760 dollars more only thin women

01:11:59.360 are make like they make they

01:12:02.300 take a fifteen thousand dollar

01:12:03.520 penalty sort of between very

01:12:04.660 thin and thin so like it only

01:12:07.320 really only the really very

01:12:09.060 thin women are earning a lot

01:12:10.420 more and then thin women are

01:12:12.400 earning a little bit more and

01:12:14.020 then normal you know earning

01:12:15.760 normal so what this shows to me

01:12:17.700 more is what we're seeing is not

01:12:19.700 really thin privilege weighing out

01:12:21.620 because also very thin people

01:12:23.200 don't look very good in my

01:12:25.300 opinion and I say this is a very

01:12:26.940 thin person so like our audience

01:12:29.540 has said that you prematurely

01:12:31.420 aged because you're too thin yeah

01:12:33.200 no it's it's true like I I am a

01:12:35.780 functional I can't say the word

01:12:37.580 I'm a functional female athlete

01:12:40.540 triad we'll say if you know you

01:12:42.300 know but like I'm not an

01:12:45.000 attractive level of weight I just

01:12:46.880 like to starve myself but that is

01:12:49.280 because I am also on many many other

01:12:52.020 fronts extremely disciplined and

01:12:53.500 this is why I think the very thin

01:12:54.860 people out earn it's not because

01:12:57.700 they're thin because they look like

01:12:59.100 shit they are earning more because

01:13:02.060 their thinness is just a symptom of a

01:13:04.980 much larger extremely disciplined

01:13:07.420 behavior set where they love self

01:13:10.100 denial they love like you can't say

01:13:12.660 that that that is against the rules I

01:13:15.840 know Simone would you mind adjusting

01:13:17.600 your camera so you are about where I

01:13:19.140 am on your camera you see it needs to

01:13:23.360 go up a bit so that we look even more

01:13:27.220 like siblings look at us a little bit

01:13:31.060 more sisters that way you get the gun in

01:13:34.560 the picture you know oh you know you

01:13:36.920 can't really see it

01:13:38.220 all right I'll think about how when I

01:13:45.320 start this okay

01:13:46.420 we look like siblings sorry start again

01:13:51.300 start again

01:13:52.200 what about siblings we look like

01:13:55.040 siblings it's just that we are from a

01:13:57.580 closely related not family but and I think

01:14:01.480 that people are just like it's weird that

01:14:05.580 we have reached this level in society

01:14:07.100 we're like anyone expects you to be

01:14:09.500 dating like across like intercontinental

01:14:12.920 ethno groups and it's not like we chose

01:14:15.120 each other because of that we just had a

01:14:16.460 lot in common because of you know the

01:14:19.700 sociological profiles of our our sort of

01:14:23.340 group which is a fairly unique and odd

01:14:25.280 group as people know from our other videos

01:14:27.380 like it's one of the things we focus on

01:14:28.840 and so I you know when people say that

01:14:30.920 we look like siblings it's a little bit

01:14:32.520 like you just don't know many Chinese

01:14:34.380 people and then you know you see two

01:14:36.140 Chinese people dating each other and

01:14:37.840 they look like siblings well actually

01:14:41.340 there's a lot of us anyway all right

01:14:43.720 people and then there's a lot just to

01:14:45.960 look there

01:14:46.880 you

01:14:51.200 you

01:14:51.660 you

01:14:53.360 you

01:14:54.280 you

01:14:54.380 you

01:14:55.500 you

01:14:58.300 you

01:15:00.380 you

01:15:02.420 you

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Based Camp - October 01, 2024

Why are Muslims So Poor？ (How Did Islam Go From Running the World to Poverty？)

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