Based Camp - Why Are Violent Cultures More Gender Egalitarian？ (Spartans, Vikings, Scythians, Appalachian, etc.)

00:00:00.000 hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today today we are going to be talking about

00:00:04.720 despite the public perception to the contrary where people are like oh well women are the 1.00

00:00:12.020 peaceful gender this will be the first instance of capital punishment in our society due to our

00:00:18.020 awesomeness so we are forced to improvise we placed a boulder on that ledge you're gonna

00:00:24.000 crush us with a boulder no stop interrupting the boulder falls onto a lever that will launch

00:00:30.160 knives fine you were right the first time okay the boulder crushes you happy no just ignore them

00:00:37.060 ignore them and therefore societies that are peaceful would be more pro-women and yet 1.00

00:00:43.520 historically speaking we find the exact opposite trend the more and i will

00:00:51.700 add a little note here successfully violent yeah casting shade already

00:00:58.160 the more gender egalitarian that culture is likely to be in a historic context you're a young lady now 0.73

00:01:06.760 you're gonna start wearing dresses paul folks would call me a sis and i had never realized this till

00:01:15.720 today i was listening to some people talk and i just started thinking i was like you know what they

00:01:20.640 were talking about spartans versus ass and they were like well spartans was actually generally 0.67

00:01:25.060 gender more more equal by a significant degree and i was sort of thinking like wait oh my gosh 0.85

00:01:31.780 every super violent culture i can think of from history was more gender equal than its neighbors 1.00

00:01:36.400 and people are going to be thinking oh what about islam we'll get to that

00:01:40.020 we'll get to that because you are not considering the context at which it rose nor its neighboring

00:01:46.620 cultural groups within that context but uh let's start here with viking culture right north viking culture

00:01:53.540 love the vikings all about the vikings you should be really proud of your wife at least

00:01:58.600 i mean frøya dove into that pillaging 100 percent even took part in quite a lot of the

00:02:06.280 gripping huh frøya forced all kinds of monks to let her write them and stuff

00:02:11.260 i didn't really expect that i was totally blown away when i suddenly saw her on top of this monk

00:02:17.460 moaning groaning of course i mean that's what you do in your pillage

00:02:23.120 women were primarily responsible for managing the household and farm this involved running the 1.00

00:02:28.980 farm while men were away on raids or trading expeditions they managed finances and household

00:02:34.300 resources women's domestic authority was highly respected as evidenced by archaeological findings 0.99

00:02:39.900 like the hasmari and praising a woman's skill for running the farm so farm of the day would have

00:02:46.720 been the business right like it almost sounds like women were like listen just go off and play 1.00

00:02:53.100 don't come back home until the sun is down i will just get a ton of money i'll just handle

00:02:57.840 everything and then you go do you do you and maybe you get some treasure whatever you treat me you're

00:03:03.340 like you do your little podcast let's just manage all our finances and businesses and you can say you

00:03:10.940 run it sweetheart is it not a traditional relationship sword and shield malcolm sword and shield yeah we talk

00:03:18.800 about this as a traditional relationship model in which one partner does something that is safe and

00:03:25.320 meant to bring in a reliable income and the other partner makes big bets they had the ability to own

00:03:31.020 land and property they had the right to initiate divorce proceedings they had the freedom to run a

00:03:37.680 business and they had the opportunity to service clergy like this is very gender egalitarian oh gosh i

00:03:44.460 thought you said service clergy as in you know do them something okay as clergy okay they could not

00:03:50.880 vote or speak at assemblies i mean these people weren't animals they were prohibited from being

00:03:55.980 chieftains or judges they could offer witness in legal proceedings and they were considered subject

00:04:01.200 to their husbands after marriage generally speaking this seems fairly sane as a societal well i mean i think

00:04:09.560 i think one of these situations is you have to actually look at how things worked functionally so

00:04:13.840 it you may be subject to a partner technically but if you handle the farm and the finances and the

00:04:22.680 household who really can get divorced at will i mean like oh it's a little clear like that there's

00:04:30.700 some balance here i mean you have to give the men something because otherwise there's like apparently

00:04:36.460 nothing yeah but i will say that they uh by the way great game if you want to experience this i

00:04:44.300 should probably promote more games but vikings i want to say the game's name is viking expeditions

00:04:49.600 and it's a good historical reenactment of what it would have been like to manage a viking raiding group

00:04:56.560 it's actually one of my favorite games i've ever played and i played it through like three times

00:05:00.280 wait is this the one where you marry people off you can marry people at the end of the game you

00:05:06.400 can yeah there's this one game you were playing where you were like marrying off various generations

00:05:10.860 and getting really strategic about it and i can't remember what no no that wasn't vikings you're

00:05:15.300 thinking of oh gosh what game is that uh crusader kings that's it but vikings is an isometric turn

00:05:21.900 based game and and they do a great job of depicting viking culture because i think a lot of people don't

00:05:26.180 understand that these people who were going out and absolutely murder lesting the the people of

00:05:34.140 the people of france the people of germany they did a very good job at spreading very quickly

00:05:40.660 like the muslims did which we'll get to in a second but they were like a almost like a invasive species 1.00

00:05:46.580 where they could just own the local species and the local species was dramatically less gender

00:05:52.040 egalitarian than the vikings yeah the way i look at it is the vikings were sea peoples but successful

00:05:58.000 because they actually just called them the vikings instead of sea peoples who never really got a name 0.94

00:06:02.280 you know because they didn't do anything the vikings got shit done and you're descended from 0.97

00:06:08.100 them by the way that's her her cultural ancestry one of the major ones sparta is another example 0.97

00:06:14.040 sparta was dramatically more gender egalitarian still on my list of girls names i know it's kind 1.00

00:06:19.020 of gimmicky but i think sparta is such a oh that's not bad actually i kind of like it it's a really

00:06:23.580 pretty in athens women were basically treated as slaves like there's the famous speech where they're 1.00

00:06:29.660 like well you know a woman who's lived a good life if you've never heard her talk exactly if

00:06:34.120 you've never they were in the way back of the house you wouldn't a good woman you'd never hear

00:06:38.220 from famous names of virtuous women were women who would be r-a-p-e-d and then kill themselves 1.00

00:06:45.120 because obviously that was just so dishonorable for their husbands it was yeah athenian women 1.00

00:06:50.640 not treated well yeah really treated poorly so in sparta girls received a formal education including

00:06:58.120 literacy numeracy and physical training you would never have had that in athens by the way

00:07:02.460 they you know and spartan young girls were in the same educational system if memory serves as boys 0.68

00:07:07.860 until a certain age when the boys went yeah they participated in athletic activities like running

00:07:12.720 wrestling and javelin throwing they had economic powers spartan women could own an inherent property 1.00

00:07:17.700 they managed estates and finances while men were at war they married at around 18 to 20 years old

00:07:23.280 which was much older compared to other greek women who married at like 12 to 16 i mean imagine 1.00

00:07:29.100 in ancient times varying at 18 to 20 like that's well after you can start producing babies and that's

00:07:34.740 because they were treated with respect they had more freedom of movement and dress often wearing

00:07:40.180 shorter less restrictive clothing they were allowed to speak their minds and well known for their wit

00:07:45.060 however limitations they could not vote or hold political office and their primary role was

00:07:51.120 bearing and raising strong children for the state but so much so that they would sometimes choose

00:07:57.480 a different male partner as we'll say the genetic material provider than their husband with their 0.96

00:08:04.000 husband's consent yeah this was common as part if they thought another man could provide better

00:08:09.320 children for the family they would do it that is taking a hit for the cause people i mean wow

00:08:15.800 well these women were uh tough as nails and they were known for they were known for like talking 1.00

00:08:21.260 back they were known actually they were known as so much better than athenian women even at raising 0.99

00:08:27.020 kids that the highest class families in athens always had spartan nannies and yeah they were they were 0.94

00:08:33.600 the og norland nannies well they yeah but not nor they were norland nannies and norland nannies were also

00:08:40.540 like muscle amazonian women who were like witty and philosophers and not like just like well by norland 1.00

00:08:49.000 nannies i mean the class signaling nanny like the the epitome of the best possible nanny you could get

00:08:53.900 but obviously spartan nannies were way cooler and if you or i were rich and trying to signal we try to

00:08:59.800 get a little spartan nanny but they don't exist anymore already with spartan we're seeing why the most

00:09:05.440 martial cultures that were successful no that were successful did this it was because if you want to

00:09:13.660 breed really successful male children in in terms of a martial environment you need their mothers to 1.00

00:09:21.700 be in part chosen for the same things that you value in male children if you take the type of woman who

00:09:30.560 you can talk to the way andrew tate talks to the woman that he is with the way that he treats the

00:09:36.240 women he is with you are going to have weak children um and coming from and we'll get to this i come from 0.98

00:09:43.760 one of the martial groups as well this is something that was always made clear to me if you marry a weak 0.99

00:09:47.560 woman you'll have weak kids don't marry the type of woman that you can speak down about and expect no 1.00

00:09:53.000 reprisal um okay next iroquois confederacy a uniquely violent cultural group despite what people think

00:10:01.920 the iroquois are the oh gosh i'm never going to be able to pronounce this hodonoski confederacy

00:10:06.880 had a matrilineal society where clan mothers chose the male chiefs and could remove them from office

00:10:14.080 women had a voice in the decision-making processes including matters wait wait hold on hold on is this 1.00

00:10:19.000 where longhouse came from yeah oh no longhouse is also viking i know but i'm just trying to figure

00:10:25.460 out like where it came from in terms of matriarchies here i guess this is just a thing women like long 1.00

00:10:30.160 houses i love it so longhouse if you don't know it's a term that was popularized by a bronze age

00:10:36.580 pervert i really respect the thinker but he is just so wrong on like women taking control of society 1.00

00:10:42.640 and that being a bad thing the bad thing is as women from bureaucratic cultures and non-martial 1.00

00:10:48.920 cultures took control of society not all women are bad when a cultural group is intergenerationally 1.00

00:10:56.260 oh my gosh she went hard on your arm there people who are watching the podcast

00:11:01.720 that was that drug blood she is teething like crazy and she's just two little tooths but they're sharp 1.00

00:11:09.940 she wins oh my gosh okay so women controlled agricultural lands and resources they're responsible 1.00

00:11:16.620 for farming and food distribution society was matrilineal with descendant and property based 0.99

00:11:22.020 through the mother's line women lived in long houses it was extended families women played 1.00

00:11:27.320 important roles in religious ceremonies and spiritual practices some creation stories feature prominent

00:11:33.260 female figures and then limitations while influential women generally did not serve as warriors or hunters 1.00

00:11:39.580 certain leadership roles like chieftains were typically held by men though chosen by women

00:11:45.360 interesting so the women chose that almost reminds me of that dallas-based poly group that we 0.99

00:11:53.460 randomly found that was just this matriarchy where they would select the men it was structured very 1.00

00:11:58.800 different from other poly groups where the women there was a group of like attractive available women who 1.00

00:12:04.820 basically ran everything and they would choose which men were at the top but it was very clear that the

00:12:08.880 women had the end choice yeah reminds me of that interesting okay next culture the sissians 1.00

00:12:17.980 this is a nomadic warrior culture of the eurasian steppes where some sissian women participated in 0.80

00:12:25.120 warfare hunting alongside men by the way i forgot about that was a viking some women participated in viking 0.96

00:12:29.920 war we don't know how many it's been questioned but there was definitely some archaeological evidence

00:12:35.280 suggests about 20 percent of sissian women were buried with weapons so yeah a lot participated women likely

00:12:42.420 had equal status was men due to nomadic lifestyle they could own property and had more freedom of

00:12:48.760 movement than the neighboring cultural groups and some historical accounts mention sissian queens and

00:12:54.820 female rulers women may have held positions of religious and spiritual importance and they were involved in 0.99

00:13:00.740 animal husbandry crafts possibly trade they were skilled at horseback riding and the nomadic way of

00:13:07.080 life now we're going to talk about a group that is a subgroup of the sissians called the sarmatians so

00:13:13.620 sarmatian women were renowned for their participation in warfare hunting setting them apart from contemporary 0.99

00:13:18.700 societies greek sources including hippocrates and herodotus reported that women took part in military

00:13:23.600 activities archaeological evidence supports these claims a significant percentage of excavated military burials

00:13:29.120 containing armed women the female warrior graves often occupied essential positions and contained rich 0.99

00:13:34.740 burial goods indicating high status social status and roles they participated in hunting and horseback

00:13:40.400 riding along men women were involved in warfare and were the same closing as men some historical 0.95

00:13:45.660 accounts mentioned queens and female rulers according to greek sources girls had the right best cauterized to 1.00

00:13:51.660 prevent its development though this claim lacks archaeological evidence by the way the reason they would do this in

00:13:57.560 yeah no for yeah well what if you were a lefty well they made a mistake then

00:14:05.180 it's really not like i could see that definitely if having no totally that totally makes sense amazon comes

00:14:12.920 from yeah yeah herodotus claimed that women could not marry until they had killed a man in battle

00:14:19.020 i believe that though i mean it would it would select for it would select for

00:14:26.080 yeah a tougher in general genetic stock and actually i was just going through some research this afternoon

00:14:33.120 that indicated that it looks like there's more i'm going to butcher this because i don't remember the exact

00:14:38.440 terms but there's more negative selection than there is this other version of selection where people select for

00:14:43.580 multiple traits that are good it's more just we weed out bad traits it's more like the way that

00:14:49.680 genes evolve is more oriented around people not being able to reproduce than it is around people

00:14:56.860 selecting for various traits that work well in different situations we'll see but during late

00:15:02.660 period artificial skull deformation became common practice for both sexes oh that's boring economic 0.87

00:15:07.800 contributors they were likely to be involved in animal husbandry craft and possibly trade women were skilled at 0.99

00:15:13.300 horseback riding as essential for the nomadic way of life and their participation in hunting and warfare

00:15:18.520 suggests they contributed substantially to the community's survival and success okay now before i go

00:15:23.220 to muslims i'll talk about backwoods americans because that's my cultural group in albi and seed

00:15:28.200 they're called backwoods so my cultural group is a merger of the puritans and the backwoods americans

00:15:32.520 also sometimes referred to as the scots irish which is kind of a weird misnomer but anyway yes

00:15:38.520 um and if you read albi and seed this is backwoods slash puritan cultural group if you read the

00:15:45.200 american nation this is the greater appalachian region that's what the black people became called

00:15:51.140 in the puritans anyway the backwoods people which is a predominant i mean dallas is often called the

00:15:55.820 capital of the greater appalachian cultural region and my family has been there for seven generations

00:16:00.540 at both sides of my family is often seen as most marshal of the american groups and the most

00:16:07.680 violent of the american groups you can see our other episodes on this topic just look up our like

00:16:12.820 what american nations episodes where we have like a map or something or the ones on greater

00:16:18.160 appalachian cultural group yeah i don't want to go because you think that the um sort of southern

00:16:23.780 when you look at especially um some tendencies of the cavalier group that that descended from

00:16:32.000 second sons of nobility essentially in in the colonies yeah you would expect them to be super

00:16:37.960 violent but i think part of it was that they really like went for weak docile women yeah and that

00:16:43.820 differentiation really led to a lot of docility on part of like on the part of both and this is how

00:16:49.740 they became manor obsessed dandy yeah i mean the perspective of my people i'm like i i beat these

00:16:55.300 southern people like my married mind was one of these and it's actually really clear when i look

00:16:58.820 at the people who the different people in my family married what cultural group they came from

00:17:03.380 and he is quite a dandy okay sorry yeah don't name names sorry i just was like i thought you were

00:17:08.000 talking about like you would agree that he's a bit of a dandy i am gilbert fontaine de la torre d'artrive

00:17:14.820 the man of the house

00:17:16.980 dale gribble and i should note here that despite being dandy very cool guy who did a very good job

00:17:26.500 raising his kids which is really the only thing that functionally i judge a person on at the end of

00:17:31.780 the day he's obsessed with manners in good form and everything like that because intergenerationally

00:17:39.440 when you're in one of these cultural groups who selects for meek women as they did you end up 0.79

00:17:45.800 with men who are obsessed with everything i must stand up whenever a woman leaves the table i'm not

00:17:53.780 saying you shouldn't but like also come on like you don't need to follow the manners all the time 1.00

00:17:59.420 like that kind of signals you out as being a bit of a bitch right a bitch to the system but a bitch 1.00

00:18:05.260 nonetheless and people can be like no manners are i do think manners are valuable right i'm not an 0.99

00:18:10.880 anti-manners person but when you become fastidious about it i think that the point is when manners

00:18:18.060 cease to be functional that's when you've lost the plot but i'm all about manners do not do not step on

00:18:24.440 my manners malcolm there will be there will be problems oh you love that i'm so bad at following

00:18:31.540 all this stuff you're so freaking terrible at following manners but i try i try and i think

00:18:36.920 that that's what you do not try you do not even deign to try but nice uh but the point the point

00:18:46.600 being is that people often think of them but they actually and if you look at the original cultural

00:18:50.820 groups of america or any of the 11 tribes that come that they that are thought of as like the american

00:18:56.320 tribes the the greater appalachian region or the backwoods people always had the most gender

00:19:01.940 egalitarian treatment specifically the women in these cultures did just a lot more of the work 0.80

00:19:08.480 and were often working alongside men specifically they did farming and tending to livestock they did

00:19:14.700 the production and selling of crabs they did the preserving of food they did midwifery and folk

00:19:19.580 medicine and they often founded and ran schools in the region when i asked an ai about this

00:19:26.300 it said that they had less rigid gender hierarchies in the puritan new england and more economic

00:19:31.920 opportunities for women than the plantation culture of the tidewater south and we go into the modern 1.00

00:19:37.260 iteration of this cultural group's view of the ideal women in the tomboy apocalypse video but needless

00:19:44.760 to say the quote unquote and a lot of people get this wrong they think of it as a southern stereotype

00:19:49.140 when it's really not a southern stereotype of women in the deep south women were seen as well much more 0.87

00:19:55.100 diminutive they had a very classic role sort of a barbie role almost but in this cultural group this

00:20:00.780 is where you get the country song woman i guess i would say you know the mud wrestling girl who 1.00

00:20:06.500 goes noodlin we've had the those videos or the what is her name sanny may from beverly hills hillbillies 0.99

00:20:13.660 whoop them fine square and i'll do it again uh you mom you're getting too big to wrestle with boys 1.00

00:20:20.980 i'm as big as jethro big that way i mean uh growed up you're a young lady now you gotta start wearing

00:20:30.140 dresses paul folks would call me a sis by the time granny come to help out you was too wild a team

00:20:37.720 by thunder you could out run out climb out fight and out shoot every boy in them hills

00:20:43.640 i still can pa 0.96

00:20:45.320 you're pretty

00:20:48.300 oh pa

00:20:50.440 i know you don't like it when i say that but you like it when the young fellas around here come in 0.93

00:20:55.880 saying it and they will

00:20:56.960 only they'll probably be using words fancy words i won't even understand but ellie me

00:21:02.560 ain't nobody can ever tell you how pretty you really are simply

00:21:06.880 you're the living picture of your mom

00:21:10.080 she let me see her in a skirt once i bow flatlined and i bet everyone she knows is gonna doubt that line 1.00

00:21:16.520 cause we know she ain't about to dress with the diamonds and pbs's ain't none of that shit impressive 0.99

00:21:20.280 it's oppressive and worse deceptive at best makes her feel like a marionette 0.97

00:21:23.680 got a lot of people trying to hop up on my new wave everybody's celebrating tomboy tuesday

00:21:28.400 everybody's celebrating tomboy tuesday and it's like why when you have the and i'm not gonna go

00:21:36.400 too deep into the eye gouging or the the fights or the binding out we've gone into this so much no

00:21:42.560 thank you no it's it's it's ultra violence of a degree that i think they were ultra violent but at

00:21:47.920 the same time yes their women were definitely they were out there slaughtering animals they were out

00:21:53.200 there in rough and tumble play they were they were very self-reliant they also had less restrictive

00:21:59.520 dress they were seen as quite scandalous with the skirts that they wore which were very short at the 0.95

00:22:04.720 time so like the quakers are like oh yeah yeah well because they didn't wear for the time they were

00:22:10.880 the equivalent of for the time they wore the equivalent of mini skirts which was just horrifying

00:22:16.480 for people oh yeah yeah and and and then we're gonna get to the final thing which many people

00:22:22.160 think might disprove this but it's actually sort of the thing that proves the rule right which is 0.60

00:22:28.560 people will say okay okay okay but muslims were a violent cultural group that experienced great 1.00

00:22:34.960 success during a period but they're so mean to women right they treat women so poorly that's just what i 0.99

00:22:40.800 was thinking about though is the violence at first when malcolm and i were having this conversation 0.74

00:22:44.960 offline i was like but what about the muslims because when i think about violent cultures

00:22:48.640 i think about muslims then i realized just as we were talking all of the instances i've read about 0.83

00:22:54.640 muslim violence and heard about muslim violence is explicitly and specifically violence against women

00:23:00.720 which is super super different from violence culturally because think about all the other forms 0.98

00:23:06.640 of violence violence as a martial group today are basically clown world i'm sorry if you look at 0.84

00:23:13.920 the the the um one of my favorite things in our in our discord we were talking about like muslim stuff 0.95

00:23:19.360 and i like muslims i like some muslims i think that muslim culture can be revived i think there was a period

00:23:24.800 when it was really great but they were like we should create an alliance between the christians and the

00:23:29.600 muslims against the jews like they can't do anything against the x mini million of us and i was like well i mean 0.67

00:23:37.280 history would beg to differ just look at the yon kapoor wars when they were attacked on all sides by groups that

00:23:46.560 had more funding every one of the individual players had more funding with attacking them by surprise had

00:23:52.800 better technology than a larger army it was like five at once and they stomped them and the question was is

00:24:00.000 why why did they suck so much when historically islam was able to conquer a larger territory than the 1.00

00:24:08.320 romans ever did one of the largest empires in human history why did modern islam become so weak when 1.00

00:24:17.600 compared to historic islam and i actually think a part of this is downstream from andrew tate's sort of

00:24:22.880 nonsense which is that they became anti-women they became pro-weak women and people are like well

00:24:29.760 wasn't in muhammad's periods weren't they pro-weak women well let's talk about that if you contrast 0.96

00:24:36.320 them with the neighboring cultural groups there was a prohibition on female infanticide a religious

00:24:42.080 prohibition on this which was really big for the region at the time that's that's that's quite a big

00:24:47.520 ask of people in a group like that perhaps the most significant achievement of early islam regarding

00:24:53.200 women's rights was the strict prohibition of female infanticide the practice of killing baby girls was 0.99

00:24:57.840 commonplace in the middle east north africa and india at the time reflecting deep-seated

00:25:01.840 misogyny in these societies that valued male laborers and valued girls less but you also had

00:25:07.200 property lights early islam granted women control over their own property especially their dowries 0.99

00:25:12.720 and inheritance while women's inheritance was set at half the rate of men's this was still a

00:25:18.240 significant improvement compared to many of the neighboring societies where women had no 0.99

00:25:21.840 inheritance rights at all half inheritance for women was astronomical oh yeah whereas in so many 0.99

00:25:28.160 other cultures women were just literally the inheritance they were property yes islam enforced the 1.00

00:25:34.240 concept of consent in marriage and prohibited marriage by kidnapping huge in the region at the time

00:25:40.320 divorce while difficult for women to obtain was more accessible under early islamic law than any other

00:25:46.160 faith at the time now limitations and changes um women were still limited to one husband while men could

00:25:54.800 have up to four wives men were allowed to have sexual relations with enslaved women so you couldn't 0.98

00:26:00.400 have sex with women's legal testimony was given less weight than men's however there was also an

00:26:06.960 evolution in a negative evolution of gender roles this is really interesting women were encouraged to pray

00:26:13.600 at home rather than in public over time veiling and seclusion became standard practices removing women 1.00

00:26:19.360 from public lives this was not the case in early as long all of this veiled women stuff that's modern 1.00

00:26:24.560 stuff that's not what muhammad taught all of this me never leave the house never no no no early islamic 0.53

00:26:33.520 women wore next to warriors they were public facing they were uncovered they were and you read about muhammad's 0.91

00:26:41.200 wives they were in many ways equal to the prophet well also wasn't his first wife really his benefactor

00:26:48.080 i mean she bankrolled wife was an older woman who paid him he kind of married a cougar i'm just saying

00:26:55.840 you're just saying history was this guy who married a wealthy older woman that he was trying to like

00:27:02.160 probably he never said anything bad about this point no no no if you're like oh he married a cougar

00:27:07.680 but she was his uh-uh this woman owned muhammad muhammad was oh yes please ma'am oh yes whatever 0.99

00:27:17.280 you want oh that was muhammad okay when muhammad met this woman when he married her she was his employer

00:27:27.360 this was his boss his dummy mommy who he married not only that but for the 25 years of their marriage and 0.55

00:27:34.720 they were married until she died he didn't take any other wives this multiple wives stuff it didn't 0.96

00:27:42.720 start until after dummy mommy left the scene muhammad was not like i'm a big tough andrew tate guy

00:27:50.640 maybe later in his wife but not with his first wife and i think that this is part of where the strengths

00:27:58.880 of early islam came from and then the segregation of women in prayer and public spaces became more 1.00

00:28:06.320 common segregation of women in prayer is not muhammad era islam these women being like a different class 0.99

00:28:15.760 of citizen everything like that that is so wait how how are people justifying this then since it's so

00:28:21.920 built it seems to share a law they're just not looking at history they're so you might think

00:28:27.040 like but but then why do so many of these islamic groups have women you know covering their entire

00:28:32.320 bodies and everything like that look it's it's not in the quran the quran says that women need to cover 1.00

00:28:37.600 their ornaments which i'm it's pretty obvious what is meant by that and uh that the wives of muhammad

00:28:44.560 need to wear veils but nobody else this is a corruption of the quranic text and i think that 0.99

00:28:51.440 it has led to a weakness among the islamic people well i mean a weakness plain to see when you compare 0.99

00:28:58.960 the the modern muslim countries economic conditions and military conditions with their ancestors if you

00:29:08.640 look at the quran and you look at modern strict muslim populations today it appears to me that many 1.00

00:29:14.480 of these populations are arrogantly and i would go so far as to say sacrilegiously attempting to

00:29:21.040 imitate what was expected of muhammad's wives and only his wives and daughters in all women 0.99

00:29:28.320 specifically these women covered themselves fully they would only talk to men behind like veils that 1.00

00:29:34.320 sort of stuff and that's where i think these ideas are coming from but it was very clear this was

00:29:39.280 just a status that was for muhammad's wives and there was different statuses of 0.95

00:29:45.920 dress expected of different women so when for example a slave girl would dress too modestly by 0.99

00:29:55.200 some of the muhammad's successors she would be hit because they'd say are you trying to dress like a 1.00

00:29:59.600 free woman this comes from majmu al-fatwa and so i think that we can see that you are not supposed to

00:30:05.440 even within the early islamic culture attempt to mimic the propriety of your betters and so

00:30:15.120 it would be right as a reading to say that people who do this are being sacrilegious and trying to

00:30:22.560 act as if their wives and daughters are muhammad's wives and daughters and to get an idea of just how 0.78

00:30:28.640 masculinized women were in early islamic society you can consider characters like nasayaba bent kab 0.92

00:30:36.560 who is considered one of the most prominent female warriors in early islamic history at the battle of 0.62

00:30:42.320 uhud in 625 ce nasabaya fought to defend prophet muhammad wielding a sword and a bow the prophet praised

00:30:50.720 her bravery saying wherever i turned to the left or to the right i saw her fighting for me

00:30:55.840 and then you have kwal bent al azar who played a major role in the muslim conquest of the levant in

00:31:04.240 the 7th century kwal fought alongside her brother dahira in many battles including the battle of

00:31:10.640 yermak uh against the byzantine empire in 636 ce she is described as one of the greatest female soldiers

00:31:18.880 in history look it islam has neutered itself it castrated itself through its treatment of its own 1.00

00:31:31.200 women because the jews women serve a different role than men in society but they were not treated in the 0.74

00:31:40.320 same way that they are within the islamic empire you know you still want a powerful woman to be your 0.93

00:31:46.720 wife you still want an opinionated woman to be your wife and this is like a classic thing with 0.98

00:31:50.800 jewish women is the woman who who talks back and is snarky and is actually technically the lead of the 1.00

00:31:56.000 family what about you your thoughts on all this i don't i think that's that's a classic trope in many

00:32:04.080 in many cultures not just jewish culture i think it's much more in jewish culture than other cultures

00:32:08.640 i don't know it's it's like if you watch the my big fat greek wedding cultures which are just

00:32:13.200 parodies of greek culture that's a very big trope in all of the movies okay here i need to have the

00:32:18.880 stranger's candy lines that greeks are just jews but poor i am so sad but i was unable to find a 0.63

00:32:24.880 clip of it it's from season two episode 10 a price too high from riches and the line is

00:32:30.800 greeks are just jews without money yeah i mean hey greeks romans just wanted to be greeks for their 0.67

00:32:37.280 entire existence so just calm down well i mean if you see if you see this like greeks are just jews 0.99

00:32:42.960 but poor yeah in another episode i was saying that like no other culture gets to say that they were

00:32:48.080 like the founding culture of civilization like i can claim that my ancestors were conquered by

00:32:51.840 civilization and when i study the greats of history i'm not studying my own ancestor

00:32:58.640 yeah greeks can claim this and jews can claim this those are the only two cultural groups where they

00:33:03.440 unfortunately can't say well yeah but i was cultured and civilized by another civilization

00:33:11.200 sorry the chinese the chinese hold on get to have their own canon and everything they were 1.00

00:33:18.000 they were foundational but they were isolated so i guess it doesn't matter as much because

00:33:21.200 these were spanked by the west what are you talking about the opium wars the the boxer rebellion

00:33:28.080 they're gonna get us back for you think they're getting us back with tick tock

00:33:34.800 the reverse opium wars have come on the second opium wars right now are we gonna are we gonna

00:33:41.040 ban tick tock and then china's gonna no we just need to we need to regard there was a great tweet

00:33:47.440 about this where someone was like we just need to regard periods of social media addiction is like

00:33:52.000 sorry she's like hungry as your time in the opium den and that's it well any final thoughts from you

00:33:58.400 and they want to see more of you talking so say something interesting okay i'll get mine first

00:34:03.920 sorry i can't i i can't speak over her so i have to meet myself so my general read of why this is the

00:34:12.000 case is one you're just not gonna have powerful martial cultures and i think simone mentioned this was the

00:34:17.920 the deep south in the u.s and why that culture pussified so quickly into little dandies is they 0.89

00:34:25.360 if you if you that's half your genes like when andrew tate chooses these weak women as his wives 0.96

00:34:30.880 and he's like oh i'm gonna have like 30 wives and i can i wouldn't say they're weak but i would

00:34:35.200 say that they're subservient he's screwing his own genetic inheritance over yeah or i guess building 0.93

00:34:39.760 little subservient boys who are gonna be like their moms half and you do this intergenerational

00:34:48.480 if you are selecting for performative masculinity in men and subservience in women well and that's a

00:34:55.760 key point i think the other key point here is performative masculinity is preening it is inherently

00:35:00.400 feminine and he is very preening he really is obsessed with this image and what people think of him

00:35:06.640 he doesn't you know and i and i think that you're absolutely right about that and intergenerationally

00:35:11.760 this breeds at least from a martial perspective weakness yeah i think that the key difference too

00:35:20.640 is is also just is your culture pervasive in its masculinity or is it pervasive in its femininity

00:35:28.800 and when it comes to men pulling rank on women what is that that's bureaucracy and that's feminine that's 1.00

00:35:34.400 the long house yeah you have to listen to me because you are x instead of you have to listen 1.00

00:35:39.920 to me because you respect me yeah that's inherently feminine i'm sorry if you're gonna pull rank instead

00:35:44.640 of just show your dominance then you are being feminine absolutely and i think that a lot of men

00:35:51.040 today where they're like oh we got to get back to x we got to get back to y even bronze age pervert to an

00:35:55.360 extent they are breeding this weakness into our culture and people ask me why do you not name your daughters

00:36:04.960 feminine names right i'm like well you can see this in the research you know women with feminine names

00:36:11.120 they go into stem degrees less they earn less money they have less good mental health but also femininity 0.93

00:36:16.560 broadly the way any society relates to femininity i think it needs to be stamped out of the concept

00:36:22.560 it's just toxic we need to get rid of femininity and build a role for women that is equivalent to this 1.00

00:36:33.440 this viking oh do you have a little octavian no he came in with this thing on his head and indy's

00:36:41.600 he's just like my world is over she's terrified she's absolutely terrified

00:36:56.480 it's your brother look it's your brother it's your brother it's your brother it's your brother okay she

00:37:02.160 yeah it's fine i have a firefighter hat that's a firefighter hat yeah i'm running

00:37:10.720 i'll just put him on my lap i'm running and i'm done okay go show daddy go show

00:37:14.720 daddy go show daddy in a while crocodile oh look you're good you're good buddy oh my god indy saw

00:37:25.520 him and was like red alert this is not okay the first time one of our kids saw me it was my hair

00:37:32.480 wet and they were wet and they were like oh my god she's a monster okay okay we gotta ask you some

00:37:37.920 questions about women do you think having a strong wife or a weak wife is better a strong wife do you 0.99

00:37:46.160 think having a wife who can fight is better or a wife who can't fight i feel but ah do you want a wife

00:37:55.280 who can punch and kick and run yeah where are you gonna find a wife like that on a battlefield yeah 1.00

00:38:07.760 and tell me about your hat here it's a firefighter hat can you tell people to like and subscribe like

00:38:15.600 and scribe yeah but really mean like what do you what why do you want them to like and subscribe

00:38:21.040 because through our video oh octavian i love you so much let me do this so i just did okay i'm gonna

00:38:32.720 do a video that i did at school yesterday okay show me the video

00:38:40.400 three little dots came out to play over the hill and fall away mother dog called 1.00

00:38:48.720 one little duck came water went back this is a horror story wait are these ducks dying

00:39:15.360 mother dog caught crack crack crack crack no little dust came water went back wait wait wait

00:39:26.160 why did the ducks stop coming did they die no were they eaten no let me show you when they

00:39:33.040 they they did the closer of the video

00:39:39.040 i want the mother dog caught mother dog caught crack crack crack crack 0.61

00:39:44.960 three little ducks came right away back oh so they were hiding you really had me scared there buddy

00:39:52.960 wow that was a cliffhanger but okay here's my question for you wouldn't little ducks be delicious

00:39:58.800 yeah yummy yummy yummy yummy do you think maybe they could be a nugget no let me do the song one more

00:40:08.400 time and then we'll get to freeze no no no i need to know about these ducks would you eat a baby duck if

00:40:17.120 you could fry one if you could fry one up yeah what would it turn into if you fried it up

00:40:25.520 a hat no it's a nugget he's still on llm mode here

00:40:34.640 say like it's a scribe say like it's a scribe that's the only way to escape

00:40:41.680 are you gonna say it yes you gotta scribe folks save you

00:40:51.280 i did go i love you there we go we love you octavian

00:40:56.240 like that scribe oh thanks buddy i like that cliffhanger i didn't know i thought they had

00:41:08.960 died i was deeply concerned yeah that was a scary song

00:41:17.440 all right would you mind getting the kids i'll get dinner started

00:41:19.920 no problem i'm gonna make i have these no you're not we need to reheat my dinner from the last few

00:41:25.680 days so we're gonna make two servings of it a fried rice and this but they gave me a lot this

00:41:30.400 time so we'll be able to stretch it over two nights nice love it when they do that okay

00:41:34.720 fried rice with your stir-fried vegetables okay i'm on it

00:41:38.720 oh she does oh she does when she sees your face she goes

00:41:55.840 oh she's teething so much poor thing but she's still so happy 1.00

00:42:16.880 all right i'm trying to think of like what we can do for like early clips what would you do for

00:42:21.760 early clips of this one women and violence i'm starting out by thinking of that rick and 1.00

00:42:25.680 morty episode where there was this like women-led culture but they were like like how hi how are 0.82

00:42:32.080 you feeling well that's a good one yeah but i'm trying to think about how to work that into violence

00:42:36.960 like i i think that there's this unique bifurcation or or spectrum between super women-centric 0.88

00:42:46.240 society and superman-centric society and then this happy medium but apparently it's a super violent

00:42:51.920 happy medium okay okay i'll i'll get started here how oh my god what are you doing to me 0.97

00:43:00.640 your talents are you a violent woman she is she's a very violent woman 1.00

00:43:05.840 she had a little smile after doing that she's freaking biting me now 1.00

00:43:09.280 what is she doing she's gonna take you down simone she's gnawing on me 1.00

00:43:19.360 all right i'll get started before she eats your whole hand ow 1.00

00:43:24.720 girl it's like pulling my hand closer she's just gnawing it off 1.00

Based Camp - October 11, 2024

Why Are Violent Cultures More Gender Egalitarian？ (Spartans, Vikings, Scythians, Appalachian, etc.)

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