Based Camp


Why Are Woke People Not Buying Woke Products? ... Are Woke People Fictional?


Summary

Where is the Woke customer? What is the real problem in the video game industry, and why is it that no Woke people are buying it? This episode explores the root cause of the problem, and how to fix it.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Can we activate a woke user base if we just go pure woke, be creative, go story heavy?
00:00:07.520 Like, is that something that can be done?
00:00:09.980 Right.
00:00:10.300 And the answer appears to be no.
00:00:12.700 And so this is genuinely a little perplexing to me because my interpretation of the current
00:00:20.580 American electorate or body is about 15 to 20% of America genuinely holds some form of
00:00:30.940 woke ideology.
00:00:31.600 Yet this faction is not buying anything.
00:00:36.540 And the question is why?
00:00:40.060 Now, I'm going to go over the generic theories that people make, right?
00:00:43.800 One is to say, well, the mistakes that these companies are making is that they are listening
00:00:52.580 to people who are very loud online, which is predominantly people without anything that's
00:00:57.880 going on in their lives, i.e.
00:00:59.720 Unemployed people who don't have the money to go out and buy games.
00:01:04.220 And it's like, that's an interesting theory.
00:01:07.040 But the problem with that theory is I can just look at the donations from the FANG tech company
00:01:11.540 and like 98% of Facebook is going to the Democrats.
00:01:16.480 Or I can look at the very fact that Sony even thought to produce this game.
00:01:21.300 Clearly, there's a large technocratic faction in America that works in large, well-paying
00:01:27.340 bureaucracies that is, or at least signals that they are woke.
00:01:33.680 Right?
00:01:34.820 Would you like to know more?
00:01:36.240 Hello, Simone.
00:01:37.240 It is wonderful to be here with you today.
00:01:38.780 I am excited to be chatting with you.
00:01:40.760 And the reason I am excited to be chatting with you today is something happened in the
00:01:48.140 video games industry, which is this last week, which is going to change American culture and
00:01:55.800 world culture going forward.
00:01:57.900 That's a big statement.
00:01:59.600 The consecutive and catastrophic failure of one, a AAA title, and then two, a really big and sort of
00:02:10.500 emblematic woke game.
00:02:12.540 And so in this podcast, I think many people have missed the core mystery of what's happening here.
00:02:18.740 What they focus on is the Wokies are trying to be like, oh, you know, horrible right wing
00:02:25.140 boycott caused us to lose, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, right?
00:02:29.340 You know, that's their take on this.
00:02:31.020 And then the right wing is looking at this and saying, oh my God, this is amazing.
00:02:37.180 Look at them suffering.
00:02:38.340 Look at them seething.
00:02:39.580 Like things are going to definitely have to change here.
00:02:42.220 And I think what's being missed between these two interpretations is where is the woke audience?
00:02:52.220 And when I say this, I mean this in a real sense.
00:02:54.540 I'm not saying the woke audience is smaller than woke people expect it to be, right?
00:03:01.880 I'm saying it appears the woke audience is virtually non-existent.
00:03:08.260 And where this was really made clear to me, that I was on a slide schooler's episode right
00:03:13.600 now.
00:03:13.840 And the other guest was a former college professor.
00:03:18.540 And he was talking about all the woke stuff that was happening on his campus.
00:03:21.080 And I was like, wait, wait, wait, we cannot be here gloating about how no woke people exist
00:03:26.040 to buy these products while at the same time talking about this woke oppressive environment
00:03:31.040 on college campuses.
00:03:32.460 Yeah, right.
00:03:33.140 Where is the woke customer?
00:03:35.720 There's a discrepancy at play.
00:03:37.680 Right.
00:03:37.940 So first I want to talk about why this is so big.
00:03:40.820 Okay.
00:03:41.460 So there have been video game crashes in the past, which permanently transformed the industry
00:03:47.280 like the E.T. game for people who are familiar with that.
00:03:52.640 Actually, I'm going to quickly look up how many copies sold at that.
00:03:55.420 Yeah, but very famously, I think what, in the late 80s, that was supposed to be one of the
00:04:00.140 early biggest investment video games ever.
00:04:02.740 I think it maybe had record amounts of investment in its development.
00:04:05.820 And it also obviously was associated with extremely successful IP in the form of the E.T. movie.
00:04:13.480 The video game came out, massive flop.
00:04:15.800 Nobody wanted to play it.
00:04:17.160 And it goes down in video game history as a massive failure.
00:04:21.520 This apparently was worse than that.
00:04:24.200 Well, so let's give an idea of how much worse than that it is.
00:04:28.560 Oh, my gosh.
00:04:29.700 Okay.
00:04:30.060 The U.T. video game was developed by a single developer.
00:04:33.400 Okay.
00:04:33.560 A single guy made the game.
00:04:34.900 Okay.
00:04:35.520 Oh.
00:04:35.940 It sold 2.6 million copies.
00:04:39.460 Wow.
00:04:39.700 It flopped so hard, it destroyed the video game industry and forced it to remake itself.
00:04:45.460 This is when the video game industry was in its infancy.
00:04:49.200 Right.
00:04:49.480 Today, the video game industry makes more money than the TV and movie industries combined in
00:04:58.800 terms of cultural impact.
00:04:59.920 Yeah.
00:05:00.100 The consumers are there.
00:05:01.100 So anything, even shitty things, should be making a decent amount of sales.
00:05:06.560 Right.
00:05:07.180 So remember, 2.3 million is what it had sold, right?
00:05:10.880 2.3 million.
00:05:11.480 Okay.
00:05:11.880 So Concord, this is a game that was a flagship title for Sony, all right?
00:05:18.860 This was a game that had $100 to $200 million in development, a large team working on it,
00:05:25.800 and it was in development for over eight years.
00:05:28.660 How can something cost that much money?
00:05:31.560 This, consider it like a movie budget or something like that.
00:05:36.380 Now you see me.
00:05:38.220 So Sony had so much faith in this game, they acquired the studio that was making it.
00:05:46.000 Whoa.
00:05:46.140 They made controllers that were themed to go as the game.
00:05:50.680 They made Sony devices, like what are those called again?
00:05:54.600 Playstations.
00:05:55.620 PlayStation themed to go as a game.
00:05:57.560 So this game was released about a week ago at this point.
00:06:01.220 To great fanfare, apparently.
00:06:03.320 To great non-fanfare, yes.
00:06:04.740 But yes.
00:06:05.360 It, right now, concurrently on Steam, has 68 players.
00:06:09.160 The game peaked at 697 concurrent players on Steam.
00:06:15.560 Oh my God.
00:06:16.340 So to compare though, like what's, what's a normal, like a non, maybe we'll say a boutique
00:06:25.580 game, you know, made by an independent developer.
00:06:28.520 How many concurrent players might they have on Steam?
00:06:31.340 Okay.
00:06:31.820 What's a game that you've heard of?
00:06:33.640 That's what I can use.
00:06:34.520 A game from a while ago.
00:06:35.980 I've heard of Skyrim Grand Theft Auto.
00:06:39.320 Dead Red Redemption because of South Star.
00:06:41.920 Skyrim came out like a billion years ago.
00:06:43.680 Skyrim concurrently right now has over 2,000 people playing it.
00:06:48.360 And it came out decades ago at this point.
00:06:50.820 Or at least Red Dead Redemption 2 here.
00:06:53.260 26,000 players right now.
00:06:55.780 This came out like five years ago.
00:06:57.420 26,000 players.
00:06:58.100 Okay.
00:06:58.300 How about that, the Harry Potter game that everyone was like, let's cancel it.
00:07:01.840 Because that was an anti-woke game.
00:07:03.860 Yeah.
00:07:04.140 Okay.
00:07:04.340 We'll say.
00:07:05.060 Let's look for something that recently came out like these because this is-
00:07:08.260 Yeah, except, well, why I like the Harry Potter one was because I know it's still on shelves
00:07:11.720 because we saw it this morning.
00:07:13.320 And two, it was supposed to be a game that people who were woke would not play for political
00:07:20.540 reasons.
00:07:21.420 Okay.
00:07:21.820 Just like people who were woke would play Concord for political reasons, theoretically.
00:07:29.400 Okay.
00:07:29.640 Hogwarts Legacy.
00:07:30.720 So this game is at-
00:07:32.820 That looked fun.
00:07:33.480 It's 3,500 right now.
00:07:36.240 Okay.
00:07:36.980 And back to Concord, how many concurrent players at its launch?
00:07:40.860 At its absolute peak, it was at 697.
00:07:44.580 Oh, Lord Almighty.
00:07:46.840 Okay.
00:07:47.100 Now, see, that has the impact I was looking for.
00:07:49.980 Remember the other game I told you, E.T. sold 2.3 million copies, another massive flop?
00:07:54.860 Concord sold about 25,000 copies across all platforms.
00:08:01.400 25,000.
00:08:03.200 Wow.
00:08:03.480 So it sold about the same number of copies as there are concurrent players of Hogwarts
00:08:08.920 Legacy today, even though Hogwarts Legacy came out forever ago.
00:08:12.520 Yes.
00:08:13.160 Wow.
00:08:13.380 That's a good comparison.
00:08:14.660 Wow.
00:08:15.040 But it wasn't the only instance of something like this happening recently to just, you know,
00:08:21.240 be confusing here.
00:08:22.500 So another one was a game called Dustborn.
00:08:24.520 Right now, I'm actually listening to the entire story of the game, Dustborn.
00:08:27.340 I'm watching a full walkthrough.
00:08:29.440 I was like, I want to see how these people think.
00:08:31.880 It is a game where essentially you play, oh, sorry, I should note before we go further how
00:08:37.400 woke this other game, Concord, was.
00:08:39.660 Because I think there's a few important things to note here, which hide some of the coverage
00:08:44.520 that people will say.
00:08:45.780 Okay.
00:08:45.900 People will say, first, I'll just explain the style of the game.
00:08:48.940 It's basically an Overwatch clone.
00:08:50.860 And people will say, well, we have enough Overwatch clones.
00:08:54.240 And it's like, yeah, but the reason you have so many Overwatch clones is because people keep
00:08:58.960 playing them whenever they're released, right?
00:09:01.440 That's why you have so many Overwatch clones.
00:09:04.240 And people are like, well, Overwatch clones are, there's free versions of Overwatch clones.
00:09:10.060 And it's like the core way that Overwatch clones work is they charge you to interact with additional
00:09:15.800 characters off it.
00:09:16.780 You know, you get the new characters and stuff like that.
00:09:19.060 That's how many of the free-to-play Overwatch clones work.
00:09:22.000 And a new game launching could just be thought of as new characters that people could try and
00:09:27.000 play with.
00:09:27.520 Because the, it already exists on the market is not a good explanation for bombing this
00:09:33.380 hard.
00:09:34.120 It would be a good explanation for a mediocre launch.
00:09:37.180 It would not be a good explanation for almost nobody buying it.
00:09:40.980 And it was so bombed, by the way, that it has been removed from the stores.
00:09:45.520 Everyone who bought it is being refunded.
00:09:47.060 And it's being shut down Saturday the 6th, which is tomorrow on the day of filming this.
00:09:52.980 It will certainly be all the servers shut down.
00:09:54.920 We literally tried to buy it at Walmart this morning and we got them to unlock a shelf to
00:10:00.500 give us the game and they refused to sell it to us.
00:10:04.920 The machines wouldn't let them bring it up, even though they didn't know that it was supposed
00:10:09.320 to be taken off the shelves.
00:10:10.440 So that was sad for us.
00:10:12.240 Sad day.
00:10:12.960 Yeah.
00:10:13.100 And so to understand how woke this game is, if you look at it, it apparently has, of the
00:10:19.980 16 playable characters, one of them is a white man.
00:10:23.720 That's impressive, you know?
00:10:25.440 And the white man is, from what I can tell, I think when they say a white man, it's a green
00:10:30.200 alien character who uses a white person as a...
00:10:33.680 Skin?
00:10:35.020 Yeah, I'll put it on the screen here.
00:10:36.320 Wait.
00:10:36.720 So it's a green...
00:10:38.060 It's an alien wearing white face.
00:10:40.860 No, no, no.
00:10:41.640 It's just like a white actor of...
00:10:44.300 That's what they mean when they say it has a white character in it.
00:10:46.700 Oh!
00:10:48.080 It has a character in it who is based on a black trans woman being one of the leading
00:10:53.380 characters.
00:10:54.160 Okay.
00:10:54.600 It has an overweight black woman character.
00:10:58.160 It has no attractive female characters in it, of course.
00:11:02.900 It is so woke that when you open up the game to, like, look at your character bios, above
00:11:11.640 the bio, right next to the level of this character for you, and under the name.
00:11:17.420 So the most important thing is their pronouns.
00:11:20.900 That is the way that they introduce characters.
00:11:23.540 Wow.
00:11:24.500 God forbid you misgender a fictional character.
00:11:28.160 Right?
00:11:28.940 You gotta make absolutely sure that people get this.
00:11:31.360 So this game completely flops, right?
00:11:34.080 Then another game came out recently called Dustborn, which was woker than Concord, but
00:11:40.580 it was actually trying to sell specifically to a woke audience in a way that Concord wasn't.
00:11:47.640 Concord appeared to be woke policies overlaid on a big budget game development.
00:11:53.700 Okay.
00:11:54.180 Dustborn is different.
00:11:55.240 Dustborn is a character where, like, triggering someone is, like, a superpower and, like, the
00:12:01.000 main character, a sassy black lady, can, like, manipulate people's emotions and literally
00:12:08.080 gaslight them and stuff like that, for example, to gain power over them.
00:12:12.080 And she's quite a bad person from what I've seen in terms of watching this so far.
00:12:15.660 They have these fantasies where they are going around and manipulating people using their
00:12:20.160 words or whatever.
00:12:21.900 Now, here's what I'd say about Dustborn.
00:12:38.340 Dustborn is an interesting game for a few reasons.
00:12:41.540 And if I agreed with the ideology, I would buy it.
00:12:45.120 I actually think that the ideology of Dustborn should be selling copies of the game.
00:12:50.020 Because it's teaching people how to support the cause by being manipulative?
00:12:55.880 No.
00:12:56.520 Simone, by the way, I'm just going to tap this and tell me to make sure it's still coming
00:12:58.920 from here.
00:12:59.460 Yeah.
00:13:00.420 Okay.
00:13:01.340 No, because it's an interesting world.
00:13:02.900 So it takes place in a near-future alternate reality where the conservatives have basically
00:13:10.960 taken over from their perspective.
00:13:12.760 The United States is divided into two factions, both of which this core band that looks like
00:13:18.060 just classic DEI trashy, right, is fighting against.
00:13:22.900 And one of them is a militaristic post-American government called, like, the, I think, the Patriots
00:13:29.940 or something, or the nationalists.
00:13:31.780 And then the other, which controls the other half of America, is called the Puritans.
00:13:35.420 And they're a techno-utopian faction.
00:13:40.680 And I'm like, well, this is cool.
00:13:42.500 It's this world where the Puritans, the techno-Puritans are out chasing these people with their clean,
00:13:48.100 sleek drone things, which are chasing people around.
00:13:50.900 And I'm like, I love you.
00:13:51.360 That sounds like us.
00:13:52.460 Okay.
00:13:52.720 Yeah.
00:13:53.360 No, but I love that the Wokes are, like, secretly afraid of, like, this evil Puritan techno
00:13:58.920 faction.
00:13:59.240 And I'm like, yeah, I like this.
00:14:00.160 They don't have to be afraid, Malcolm.
00:14:01.740 They know.
00:14:02.620 They know.
00:14:03.400 They know.
00:14:04.180 So I like the world building.
00:14:07.440 It's interesting to me.
00:14:08.460 It's like, okay, this is an interesting, like, you're clearly trying to set up a new world
00:14:12.740 here.
00:14:13.440 If I didn't find your politics so repellent, I might be interested in seeing what you're
00:14:17.840 trying to construct with this.
00:14:19.540 In addition to that, the game looks visually pleasant to me.
00:14:25.900 Okay.
00:14:26.120 So the characters aren't malformed.
00:14:28.620 It's got, like, Android-based characters.
00:14:29.340 Oh, no.
00:14:29.520 The main characters are all ugly.
00:14:31.200 But I mean other than the main characters.
00:14:32.960 It's done in, like, a Borderlands-y style.
00:14:35.100 But what's interesting about it is the way that they did gameplay, because watching the
00:14:39.560 walkthrough, I'm seeing this.
00:14:40.560 They have combined elements of Guitar Hero and Beat-Em-Ups and sort of word-based choose-the-right-dialogue
00:14:49.880 option, use-your-powers-within-dialogue to achieve certain endings that I could see be appealing
00:14:56.840 to people.
00:14:57.660 Yeah.
00:14:57.940 But here's the problem.
00:14:58.740 So this game came out pretty recently.
00:15:01.520 Its current player count was around 8 for the day, in terms of the players for today.
00:15:07.100 28,000?
00:15:08.600 No, 28.
00:15:09.920 And its top ever was 83 people playing it.
00:15:13.140 It sold fewer than 1,000 copies and likely had between 2.25 and $3 million behind it.
00:15:21.960 Oh, dear.
00:15:22.920 Okay.
00:15:23.380 Big loss.
00:15:24.120 Huge loss.
00:15:25.200 Ouch.
00:15:25.320 Yeah.
00:15:25.720 I mean, not as big as the other one in terms of the financial impact, but this one is also
00:15:29.240 interesting to me, because this one is like, can we activate a woke user base if we just
00:15:35.720 go pure woke, be creative, go story heavy?
00:15:39.540 Like, is that something that can be done?
00:15:41.720 Right.
00:15:42.300 And the answer appears to be no.
00:15:45.500 And so this is genuinely a little perplexing to me.
00:15:50.780 Now, there are-
00:15:51.780 Why?
00:15:51.800 Why, when the whole message for years has been go woke, go broke, why does this surprise
00:15:57.260 you?
00:15:58.860 Because my interpretation of the current American electorate or body is about 15 to 20% of America
00:16:09.140 genuinely hold some form of woke ideology.
00:16:12.480 Mm-hmm.
00:16:12.900 Yet, this faction is not buying anything.
00:16:19.360 And the question is, why?
00:16:23.300 Now, I'm going to go over the generic theories that people make, right?
00:16:27.840 One is to say, well, the mistakes that these companies are making is that they are listening
00:16:35.800 to people who are very loud online, which is predominantly people without anything that's
00:16:41.120 going on in their lives, i.e., unemployed people who don't have the money to go out
00:16:45.700 and buy games.
00:16:47.420 And it's like, that's an interesting theory.
00:16:50.280 But the problem with that theory is I can just look at the donations from, like, the FANG
00:16:53.940 tech companies, and, like, 98% of, like, Facebook is going to the Democrats.
00:17:00.180 Or I can look at the very fact that Sony even thought to produce this game.
00:17:05.080 Clearly, there's a large technocratic faction in America that works in large, well-paying
00:17:11.140 bureaucracies that is, or at least signals, that they are woke.
00:17:16.640 Right?
00:17:18.600 The second thesis could be, well, nobody's actually that into woke ideology.
00:17:24.820 Like, a lot of people will signal it, but nobody's really that into it.
00:17:28.640 Or it could be that the proportion of America that is into woke ideology has almost no overlap
00:17:35.080 with the portion of Americans that play video games.
00:17:38.080 I think, no, because it's pretty clear that people play video games in droves.
00:17:45.060 I do think that the video games that men and women play are a little bit different and
00:17:48.700 that women are more progressive.
00:17:50.220 So that just certainly has something to do with it.
00:17:52.580 But I think your second theory resonates.
00:17:55.160 And this could be a really good natural experiment or piece of natural evidence that suggests it
00:18:01.640 is, it may be right.
00:18:03.360 Meaning that being woke or espousing progressive values works really, really well for signaling,
00:18:10.080 but it doesn't work really, really well in real life.
00:18:13.240 So people signal it to get tactically ahead in conversations and social hierarchies within
00:18:18.900 bureaucracies.
00:18:20.080 But in their actual life, they don't leverage it because they either intuitively or logically
00:18:26.060 understand that it will produce bad results if they adopt it.
00:18:29.780 Does that make sense?
00:18:31.200 No.
00:18:31.660 Explain.
00:18:31.980 In other words, I will at work use they, them pronouns and ask people for their pronouns
00:18:39.540 and express my discomfort with the historical land use of my region or whatever and use all
00:18:49.720 that to signal that I belong to the correct group and that I'm doing the right things.
00:18:54.280 But then when I go home, I'm not going to consume woke media.
00:19:00.200 I'm not going to refer to the correct pronouns.
00:19:04.440 I'm not going to live that life behind closed doors because it doesn't produce mental flourishing.
00:19:12.940 It doesn't yield the best products.
00:19:15.780 Okay.
00:19:15.880 I'm going to disagree really strongly with you here.
00:19:17.880 I think that there is a portion of Americans who go home and their houses are woke prisons
00:19:24.920 for the less woke of the family.
00:19:28.040 I have read about this.
00:19:29.620 I have seen it on forums.
00:19:31.440 I just do not think that you are right on this point.
00:19:34.600 I think that there really are a lot of genuinely woke families that like to, because the social
00:19:39.800 technology, the reason why people lean into it is because they can use it to emotionally
00:19:43.260 manipulate others.
00:19:44.260 Very interestingly.
00:19:45.300 I guess including their family.
00:19:47.260 Right?
00:19:47.440 So they use it to emotionally manipulate their families.
00:19:50.620 The kids use it to emotionally manipulate their parents.
00:19:52.860 This is, in these families where you have these kids transitioning at like three and like
00:19:57.800 eight, do you not think that wokeism is dripping from every single wall of these houses?
00:20:03.460 No, not necessarily.
00:20:06.860 Because think about it this way.
00:20:08.460 I could see parents being terrified about the state taking away their child, one, if they
00:20:14.980 don't support their child in their exploration or teachers ratting on them or high schoolers
00:20:21.180 who are transitioning.
00:20:22.160 I'm talking about the people transitioning between like three.
00:20:25.340 I know.
00:20:25.520 I think a lot of that may also have to do with existing or pending divorces and one parent
00:20:31.580 using youth gender transition to get on a kid's side.
00:20:35.920 There's tons of examples of it happening outside of divorces.
00:20:39.140 I think that you're struggling to model that people can be this petty, but this was actually
00:20:45.520 really interesting of me when I was watching the Dustborne game because I got to see in
00:20:51.940 the game the social interaction of the characters and to see what they think normal social interaction
00:20:58.520 looks like.
00:20:59.780 And it was incredibly tedious.
00:21:03.080 Every single conversation was like, you hurt me by hiding this from me.
00:21:07.480 You hurt me by doing this.
00:21:11.620 And then the conversation would get shut down by one of them that had emotional manipulation
00:21:15.540 powers manipulating the other.
00:21:17.380 That is the general loop of the game that I'm seeing so far.
00:21:22.360 They think this is normal for all social interaction.
00:21:26.620 Oh, wow.
00:21:27.300 So clearly this is happening in their home.
00:21:30.020 And the second thing I want to shut down here is the idea that gamers, there's no woke
00:21:35.800 gamers, right?
00:21:36.580 You get, I agree.
00:21:37.920 The majority of gamers are not woke.
00:21:40.200 But if you look at things like the GDC for the Gamers Developers Conference, where all
00:21:44.400 the game developers went out in your plane of fields and yet screamed at the sky like spazes
00:21:50.700 about all of the right wing influences that were ruining their industry, right?
00:21:56.080 You do not get more woke than that.
00:22:00.800 Yeah.
00:22:01.520 The screaming at the sky.
00:22:03.300 Yeah.
00:22:03.640 I am going to posit an alternate theory.
00:22:06.880 Okay.
00:22:07.540 We have been discussing.
00:22:08.360 Yeah, I'm lost.
00:22:09.280 So don't take anything you've got.
00:22:10.940 Okay.
00:22:12.600 So I think it's a combination of two things.
00:22:16.320 I think the people who signal woke tactics within an office environment are using similar
00:22:23.500 woke tactics within their households and within their relationships.
00:22:26.760 However, I think that they are actually the minority of people within these office environments.
00:22:32.980 I think most woke people who are signaling to you and everyone else that they are woke,
00:22:37.980 they are prisoners of their own mental landscape and prisoners of the world around them.
00:22:43.560 So it's like people in the cult who go along with it because they just don't want to get
00:22:47.300 hurt anymore.
00:22:48.880 Yes.
00:22:49.400 They're just like, okay, stop hitting.
00:22:51.580 Well, they know they could lose their job.
00:22:53.220 They won't be able to support their family anymore.
00:22:55.280 They won't be able to.
00:22:55.980 If they don't have a strong internal moral compass, they have no reason to dissent.
00:23:03.980 And due to the way cognitive dissonance works, they passively begin to believe the woke things,
00:23:11.960 but they don't actively believe the woke things.
00:23:14.340 They, to your point, aren't actually doing the woke signaling at home in the way other
00:23:20.280 people are.
00:23:21.420 They are not the woke police outside of their spouse says something and they're like, hey,
00:23:27.480 you shouldn't say that because it could have these effects on our family.
00:23:30.620 You shouldn't say that because of wokeism, right?
00:23:33.680 You know, but like, don't you know, we live under a totalitarian state that's constantly
00:23:38.900 policing and everything that's being heard and said.
00:23:41.620 Yeah.
00:23:41.740 So I think that this is one faction, right?
00:23:45.500 And then I think the other faction, which is not insignificant, right?
00:23:49.380 Like if they bought things, they could be a real powerhouse in terms of buyers, right?
00:23:54.860 And this is what's getting me when they're like, our game bombed because it was boycotted
00:23:59.980 by, you know, right-wingers, right?
00:24:03.940 It's like, but if the woke audience existed, a right-wing boycott shouldn't have affected
00:24:08.920 your sales numbers this much, right?
00:24:12.160 Apparently you weren't just boycotted by right-wingers.
00:24:14.840 You were boycotted by a woke audience as well.
00:24:18.100 How did that happen?
00:24:19.600 I think that these woke people live in a state of mental internal turmoil that is so high
00:24:28.020 that they struggle to do basic day-to-day functions and most of their day is really spent in these
00:24:35.740 apology spirals, in these online fights, and in these-
00:24:41.000 So you're saying, oh my gosh, you're saying that woke people are so dysfunctional that they
00:24:48.040 cannot even make time in their day to play a video game?
00:24:53.820 Yes.
00:24:54.340 It is not that they don't have money because clearly some of them do.
00:24:59.240 They're involved in the manufacturing of these games.
00:25:01.340 They're involved in what's coming out of Hollywood these days.
00:25:05.160 Wow.
00:25:06.180 But I think they live in a state of mental impoverishment and spiritual impoverishment that is
00:25:12.200 so great that they probably cry multiple times a day.
00:25:16.220 They probably see a therapist like once a week.
00:25:19.740 They probably are just barely holding things together.
00:25:25.500 I guess if you go through what actually is required of being a true believer within the
00:25:34.080 progressive movement now, it does involve so much self-victimization that it could be
00:25:40.880 self-victimization to the point of complete dysfunction, to your point.
00:25:45.480 Think about, try to model the relationship of people like, when I try to, you may disagree
00:25:50.440 with this, but Jen from Fundy Fridays and her husband, because I'm able to see both of them
00:25:54.460 and how they interact, these individuals come across in terms of the lack of vitalism that's
00:26:01.660 left in them after all the signaling and after all the fighting that's clearly part of their
00:26:05.980 day, I was actually recently watching Amanda, a famous antinatalist, right?
00:26:11.140 Who's also very woke.
00:26:12.620 And when I looked at what was left of her as a, as sort of a residue of humanity, she reminded
00:26:22.540 me of almost one of those shadows that's left of somebody after a nuclear explosion, like
00:26:28.300 a ghoulish reminder of what was once human, but is now nothing but residue.
00:26:36.260 Their, their core vitality and an ability to feel any happiness or engagement with the
00:26:46.580 world has been genuinely blasted from them.
00:26:50.440 And now every moment is dedicated to self-flagellation and a, and a form of self-flagellation.
00:26:58.360 So people who don't know this, if you look at something like the Opus Dei, and we're going
00:27:01.780 to do an episode on them, this is a Catholic sect that's famous for various forms of self-flagellation
00:27:05.540 and like mortification.
00:27:06.700 They're actually pretty happy people because they have a moral mandate to be happy because
00:27:11.340 you control your emotions and the self-flagellation and all the other mortification techniques are
00:27:16.860 meant to give you more control over your emotional state.
00:27:20.440 which is something I agree with.
00:27:21.820 The Wokies are the exact opposite.
00:27:24.980 All of the self-flagellation is to feel and to bring up as much despair as possible.
00:27:30.680 They almost have these like despair feedback loops around things like the environment or
00:27:35.600 any of the other things they want to feel sad about where the amount that you are wailing
00:27:41.820 and despairing increases your status, which creates this environment in miasma of constant
00:27:49.420 despair.
00:27:51.280 That is wild.
00:27:53.820 I have a secondary hypothesis, which I think is further deflating the numbers.
00:27:58.460 Oh, yeah.
00:27:59.440 I mean, of course, this could be several factors.
00:28:01.580 And there is no doubt a portion of the population that is so mentally dysfunctional that they can't
00:28:07.700 even get themselves to play a game.
00:28:09.140 But there must be other things at play here.
00:28:11.800 So let's go for it.
00:28:13.100 What is it?
00:28:14.480 The final factor is in the 90s, if a movie I just liked released a video game, I wouldn't
00:28:23.320 play it.
00:28:24.260 You know, I knew that video game movies were bad.
00:28:27.480 This was like a thing in the 90s.
00:28:28.860 Everybody knew.
00:28:29.420 And movies made about video games were bad.
00:28:32.540 If somebody makes a movie of a video game, you just don't go watch it.
00:28:36.180 It was bad.
00:28:36.940 Now, this was not true in the early days.
00:28:38.820 There were a few good early video game movies like the Street Fighters original movie and
00:28:42.380 the Mortal Kombat movies.
00:28:43.480 Those were fantastic.
00:28:44.300 Oh, and the first Resident Evil movie was great.
00:28:46.480 But then sort of after that era, there was this era of bad video game movies.
00:28:49.640 Everyone knew.
00:28:50.280 Don't go watch video game movies, even if you like the video games, because they're almost
00:28:54.240 always bad.
00:28:55.200 Okay.
00:28:55.780 And what we might be seeing here is people have come to associate, even woke people, any
00:29:02.880 game that signals any degree of wokeness with this is going to be terrible.
00:29:09.980 And one of the questions is, I mean, we all know this.
00:29:12.860 We know that woke movies are just like worse than non-woke movies.
00:29:16.420 When you get to the woke Marvel stuff, when you get to the, you know, the video games,
00:29:19.920 when you get to the woke Indiana Jones, when you get to that, you're like, okay, this is
00:29:23.100 going to be bad because I saw some woke stuff.
00:29:25.320 One of the questions is, well, how do you know that?
00:29:27.180 Why is there such a correlation here?
00:29:29.000 It's not that they get less money or attention.
00:29:31.340 And the answer is, is the more woke stuff that is coming through in terms of the advertising
00:29:39.780 and the plot and the character design, the more is being implemented in terms of hiring
00:29:45.400 in what is woke hiring?
00:29:48.060 Woke hiring is hiring based on social signaling and not ability.
00:29:52.980 And so basically we know when I see something that's signaling wokeness, that it wasn't made
00:30:00.600 by competent people who were, it was made by idiots, basically.
00:30:04.180 That's always my take.
00:30:05.080 It was made by idiotic bureaucrats who knew how to signal.
00:30:08.940 Who were not hired for merit.
00:30:10.440 Yeah.
00:30:10.900 Who were hired for signaling and not merit.
00:30:13.100 That's scary.
00:30:14.040 And what this all comes down to at the end of the day, like the reason this could change
00:30:20.200 culture so much is when we talk about how important the video game industry is to culture,
00:30:23.120 if the video game industry does walk back from all of this and begins to see releasing a
00:30:30.320 game that's signaling wokeness, like as bad as releasing a game that's signaling blatant
00:30:34.660 racism, because I mean, it is signaling blatant racism, but I mean like what they would consider
00:30:38.800 racism, but they understand you have to be afraid to look woke is where we're entering
00:30:46.300 now.
00:30:47.100 If that happens, that's going to have a major cultural shift.
00:30:52.580 And I think the people who came out ahead of all this are going to end up looking really
00:30:58.100 good.
00:30:58.520 One of the things I mentioned to you recently, and I think Zuck is going to go anti-woke soon.
00:31:03.660 Yeah.
00:31:03.780 He's certainly entering his new era, the Fro and Chain era.
00:31:07.040 But he's not getting cred from the anti-woke audience, because I mentioned this on another
00:31:12.860 anti-woke influencer, and they were like, yeah, but like, it's not hard to do that now.
00:31:17.780 Like everyone knows to go anti-woke now, right?
00:31:20.060 You know?
00:31:21.160 And I hope that the people who made the costly signals early, like Elon, really people remember
00:31:27.780 that he lost a lot of money trying to fix things.
00:31:33.940 Or the people who are like, oh, Elon's such a...
00:31:37.320 No, honestly, I think anyone who has this like mindset that, oh, Elon, he didn't really
00:31:42.840 make his money or he didn't really do this.
00:31:45.000 You've got to understand there is an entire apparatus out there that is dedicated to try
00:31:49.780 to brainwash you into believing.
00:31:51.540 Well, and Elon Musk is broadly a very progressive person who also cares deeply about climate change.
00:31:57.560 So there is that too.
00:31:59.800 And he helped his child transition.
00:32:01.860 A lot of people don't know that he helped his child transition.
00:32:04.520 He sent the child to all the gender reforming stuff.
00:32:07.480 He got the child the gender transition hormones.
00:32:10.040 He got the child everything.
00:32:11.480 He was far in the progressive camp before he made his transition.
00:32:16.320 And he made the transition when he had nothing to benefit from it.
00:32:21.040 And that requires an incredible amount of moral fortitude.
00:32:24.600 And so when you look at all these people who are like, oh, he just wants to be popular
00:32:28.980 or he just wants whatever, I would consider it in the context of the sacrifices that you
00:32:35.920 cannot ignore that he has made to make this transition early.
00:32:40.680 So I hope that, and I hope that people like ourselves who have been positioning ourselves
00:32:45.020 against a lot of these woke overreaches are able to, as the winds change, benefit from
00:32:52.360 this.
00:32:52.660 However, and as I've said before, the one thing I can't account for is this isn't a normal
00:32:58.440 cultural change.
00:32:59.980 Wokeism is a memetic virus, which is very good at targeting and entrenching itself within bureaucracies.
00:33:09.460 Yes.
00:33:10.300 And no matter how hard they try, you might try to remove it from a bureaucracy, it's going
00:33:19.180 to be very, very, very difficult.
00:33:22.560 Yeah.
00:33:22.840 Unless you just recreate the organization.
00:33:26.500 I mean, if you want to try, like tried to cut out the cancer, you ended up cutting out
00:33:30.660 like 89% of the company or more, right?
00:33:33.920 Like that is what happens when you're cutting out the cancer.
00:33:37.060 You know, it is really deep and profuse.
00:33:40.800 And if you want the host to survive, you have to be willing to make costly decisions, which
00:33:48.000 is very difficult for a large company like a Microsoft or a Sony to do.
00:33:53.220 You know, Microsoft not long ago doubled down on some of its woke stuff, right?
00:33:57.320 You know, in terms of its employee training and everything like that.
00:34:00.360 So like, how, how do you, how do you fight against it when these companies no longer care
00:34:06.300 about profit maximization anymore?
00:34:08.760 And my answer to this is, I think we need to start having this societal frameship that
00:34:14.340 wokeism is bigotry and to call it bigotry and to say, I don't like this problem because
00:34:19.400 it is woke and bigoted every time.
00:34:21.900 Like, I think we should, every time we use the word woke, say woke and bigoted.
00:34:26.220 But people remember, and I love the word bigotry and bigoted because it's one of those words
00:34:31.500 they forgot to redefine.
00:34:32.960 They redefined racism.
00:34:35.000 They forgot to redefine bigotry.
00:34:36.980 So you hit it with that and they're like, yeah, I guess it is definitionally a bigoted
00:34:40.660 thing to do.
00:34:42.200 Now there was a final point.
00:34:44.200 Oh yeah.
00:34:44.500 And if anyone here is like, well, my company is infected by wokeism, what do I do?
00:34:48.100 Like if you're a CEO or something like that, if you need somebody to come in and do consulting
00:34:51.740 on this, I thought about doing a little bit about this on the time.
00:34:54.900 Just let me know.
00:34:56.460 Stanford MBA, background in private equity, company management and venture capital.
00:35:01.840 So I'm pretty qualified for this stuff.
00:35:03.980 Oh, and I wrote a bestselling book on governance.
00:35:06.400 You're just really good at thinking through complex problems.
00:35:09.100 So I love it.
00:35:10.320 Yeah.
00:35:10.620 Happy to come in and help.
00:35:12.740 And I'd also note to these individuals that this could be a legal risk to your company.
00:35:16.760 After the Supreme Court decision, the Harvard decision, it has now become a active legal risk
00:35:22.980 to any company that is employing systemically woke policy, i.e.
00:35:28.000 any policy that is bigoted against individuals based on their race or sexuality, which wokeism
00:35:34.600 intrinsically is.
00:35:35.540 Well, how do you score that, though, with all of the existing government policies that obligate
00:35:41.500 organizations to favor certain classes like minority owned businesses, women owned businesses,
00:35:48.560 et cetera?
00:35:48.780 Well, a lot of those have been rolled back.
00:35:52.300 I'm knee deep in RFPs still for our business that we run.
00:35:56.060 Okay, well, so this stuff is going to be rolled back based on lawyers going forward.
00:36:02.360 And you wouldn't believe it.
00:36:03.020 I was actually in an RFP call this morning and like some of the other businesses, one
00:36:08.940 was literally called diversity travel.
00:36:11.280 I'm not kidding you.
00:36:13.480 Diversity travel?
00:36:14.620 Diversity travel.
00:36:15.540 Yeah.
00:36:17.460 Wonderful.
00:36:19.160 Do they win RFPs?
00:36:20.960 I'd be interested to see.
00:36:22.060 Presumably, yeah.
00:36:23.000 I mean, anyone that was in that call and I made a list of everyone like I always do to
00:36:27.480 see what our competition is like, it presumably has a significant portion of their business
00:36:33.720 that is dependent on RFP based travel, meaning they work with universities and state agencies
00:36:39.440 and organizations like that.
00:36:41.360 So what I'm just saying is that it is it is deeply entrenched within our government, which
00:36:47.300 makes up a significant portion of the GDP of the United States because we are a large
00:36:52.980 socialist country, that you have to discriminate based on race and gender and other forms of
00:37:01.980 status.
00:37:03.860 And that status is not based on reality, by the way.
00:37:10.240 It's based on specific certifications that you gain and have to apply for and have to pay
00:37:15.880 to apply for.
00:37:16.740 Like, I couldn't just say, this is a woman owned business, you'd have to be certified
00:37:22.040 and have your application and fill out the paperwork.
00:37:24.320 So this sorts for not true diversity, but rather, you know, like if I were to, if I were
00:37:33.760 to try to correct for systemic bias in society proactively as like empress of the United States,
00:37:42.800 like if I had to, because normally I'd be like, let these things kind of correct themselves
00:37:46.540 or let the market recover.
00:37:47.980 I wouldn't favor things like the government does now where it says, okay, well, you have
00:37:53.660 to discount the cost presented by any business that meets this status so that you give them
00:37:57.960 an extra boost.
00:37:58.880 I would rather say, okay, we'll invest in extra resources, like extra mentorship, extra startup
00:38:04.740 funding, low interest loans for businesses that meet these qualifications, but don't make it
00:38:09.400 easier for them to sell to clients.
00:38:11.520 Like if they should go out of business, they should go out of business.
00:38:14.140 Don't artificially change their pricing in the eyes of everyone who works for the government
00:38:17.920 or with government funds, because then they're just going to be very inefficient.
00:38:21.380 What we, I mean, the only way to fix this is for Trump to win, for us to campaign, to
00:38:25.920 get into his administration and then set up a department just looking for, it'd be very
00:38:30.860 easy to get, even at the state level, these laws are raised.
00:38:33.360 You just do like the government did to ensure like a standardized drinking age.
00:38:38.180 Easier said than done.
00:38:40.300 No, it's not hard.
00:38:41.720 What they did to standardize the marijuana laws and what they do is they tie federal funds
00:38:47.640 to the state saying that you have to get rid of, and then you just get them all erased.
00:38:53.040 And once they're erased, it will be very hard to bring them back because I think that politically
00:38:57.740 they're so unpalatable these days.
00:38:59.680 But the idea that you would have these sorts of policies, especially when you put on how
00:39:05.000 much they cost the taxpayer.
00:39:06.760 And when I say cost the taxpayer, the way I would word this is how much they are preventing
00:39:11.540 from going to the homeless.
00:39:12.980 So you don't focus on how much extra in taxes you pay.
00:39:15.420 You focus on how many millions of dollars aren't going to homeless people because these
00:39:18.640 policies exist.
00:39:19.640 With the assumption that instead of that policy staying with the taxpayer, it would all go
00:39:22.900 to the homeless.
00:39:23.520 Yeah, I mean, I'm more focused on how much of your tax dollars wasted on paperwork and
00:39:29.080 bureaucracy when these things are utilized.
00:39:30.780 You care about waste because you're a human being.
00:39:33.580 Well, no, it sucks if I give a dollar to the government, if like 75 cents of that goes
00:39:39.000 toward nonsense paperwork that makes my life more miserable as a taxpayer.
00:39:43.780 Yeah, that would matter to me.
00:39:46.220 Yes, but you're not a normal voter.
00:39:48.060 I don't know.
00:39:48.400 People can say in the comments.
00:39:50.080 Who, what, what, what?
00:39:51.120 I don't think normal voters are in the comments.
00:39:55.220 We have, I think they are.
00:39:57.540 I have, we have very normal people in the comments.
00:39:59.880 Normies.
00:40:00.180 Normal people watch our show, not weird people.
00:40:03.240 No.
00:40:03.560 This is very true, Simone.
00:40:04.380 Our Discord server literally has more intellectual conversations than we have on this podcast.
00:40:08.560 We have a really intelligent, weirdly skewed audience of very smart and engaged people.
00:40:16.040 No, they're not smart.
00:40:17.000 They're normal people, Simone.
00:40:18.600 We're just normal men.
00:40:20.160 What do you mean, normal men?
00:40:24.880 We're just innocent men.
00:40:33.060 I have worked very hard to build a normal audience with normal, not weird people.
00:40:42.040 Okay?
00:40:43.380 They are, they are normal men, Simone.
00:40:46.020 Normal.
00:40:46.440 Our audience is normal men, just like they say on side scrollers.
00:40:49.540 They are, they are, they are just trying to live a normal life.
00:40:53.780 Okay?
00:40:54.200 Like Trump and J.D. Vance.
00:40:55.620 J.D. Vance swears he's not weird.
00:41:01.260 He is the weirdest.
00:41:02.480 I, I, I, I like him.
00:41:03.740 I wish they would just like embrace the weirdness of their thing.
00:41:08.020 I love our Revenge of the Nerds episode on this because that's the way I feel about like
00:41:11.640 the left right now.
00:41:12.440 Democrats and the Harris campaign now deploying a new adjective to blast the Republican ticket.
00:41:17.980 Some of what he and his running mate are saying, well, it's just plain weird.
00:41:23.260 Get those nerds!
00:41:24.880 I mean, on the other side, they're just weird.
00:41:27.420 Nerds!
00:41:28.100 Nerds!
00:41:29.460 What?
00:41:29.700 It's not just a, a, a, a, a weird style that he brings.
00:41:33.780 Nerds!
00:41:34.500 Nerds!
00:41:35.560 Where are they?
00:41:37.100 I think they're talking about us.
00:41:39.360 No way.
00:41:40.440 Oh, nerds!
00:41:43.760 Nerds!
00:41:44.480 Nerds!
00:41:44.760 And they're like, you guys aren't following the new social norms that we created.
00:41:49.240 Anyway, love you to Decimome.
00:41:51.880 Have a spectacular day.
00:41:54.100 Oh, and something I'd also note about diversity in these games just before we hop off.
00:41:57.960 Hmm.
00:41:58.880 Because you and I were talking about this recently, is what quote unquote diversity is,
00:42:03.640 depends on how the cult is evolving and doesn't represent real diversity.
00:42:08.500 So, if you look at modern diversity, and you can look at this in shows, basically Hispanic
00:42:14.460 people don't exist.
00:42:15.860 Like, Hispanic people should be, there should be, if you're trying to be like accurate to
00:42:19.560 the U.S. population, two Hispanic people for every black person.
00:42:22.620 But nope, a huge overrepresentation of black people, almost no Hispanic people.
00:42:26.980 But then the other thing that's really interesting is the disabled group, right?
00:42:31.260 So, I was watching the Magic School Bus recently, and there's a little kid in a wheelchair, and
00:42:34.840 I was like, oh yeah, a little kid in a wheelchair.
00:42:36.800 Like, I remember you.
00:42:38.380 You play basketball and do lots of cool wheelchair tricks.
00:42:42.440 And it's kind of funky.
00:42:43.680 And no engineering.
00:42:45.160 You all know the guy.
00:42:46.360 He was in everything for a while.
00:42:49.140 In the 90s.
00:42:49.920 In a wheelchair, right?
00:42:50.780 Yeah.
00:42:51.380 But, kid in a wheelchair disappeared.
00:42:55.820 He is not part of Diversity Crew anymore.
00:42:58.020 There is no more kid in a wheelchair.
00:43:02.220 Yeah.
00:43:03.120 That's, yeah.
00:43:05.020 What's the word for that?
00:43:06.480 Ableist.
00:43:07.120 Yes.
00:43:07.540 It is very ableist.
00:43:09.640 Racist and ableist, I guess.
00:43:12.220 Racist and ableist is bastards.
00:43:14.180 Yeah.
00:43:14.380 What did happen to the wheelchairs?
00:43:16.040 That is very odd.
00:43:17.300 I kind of want to make kid in a wheelchair like a new conservative thing.
00:43:21.480 Like, cover a wheelchair and American flags.
00:43:23.580 Have him, like, paying his b-ball.
00:43:25.160 Because he could always do the cool b-ball things.
00:43:28.060 Kid in a wheelchair could.
00:43:29.540 Big MAGA flags on it.
00:43:31.260 Like, what's up with those MAGA pickup trucks?
00:43:33.480 You know what I'm talking about, right?
00:43:35.400 We're random weekend days.
00:43:36.920 You'll just see a MAGA truck driving by.
00:43:38.800 And there's not a progressive equivalent.
00:43:41.080 There's just the MAGA pickup truck.
00:43:43.380 I don't get it.
00:43:44.780 Well, because progressives aren't really proud of their party.
00:43:47.360 I mean, look.
00:43:48.120 They didn't even vote for their own candidate.
00:43:50.020 It was chosen for them by a secret cabal of party elites.
00:43:54.720 Like, progressives have no say.
00:43:57.420 It's follow the cult or be taken out back and shot, basically.
00:44:01.280 Like, that's where the progressive party has gotten at this point.
00:44:04.600 And I love, I, like, still see progressives who, like, say things like,
00:44:08.700 but Donald Trump is more fascist than Kamala Harris.
00:44:13.640 And I'm like, the level of brainwashed you have to be to believe that is astounding.
00:44:20.340 I mean, aesthetically, Trump loves, he's, you know.
00:44:25.120 No, no, aesthetically, but, like, in terms of their actual actions and policy.
00:44:29.720 I don't, here's, no, but look at this.
00:44:31.920 Everyone's saying that the United States general election campaign is run on vibes right now.
00:44:38.340 This is about aesthetics.
00:44:39.600 And I don't know if people are even aware of anything beyond aesthetics these days,
00:44:43.480 or at least a lot of mainstream Americans.
00:44:45.400 I remember I was talking to one progressive about, like, I was like, well, at least with Tim Walsh.
00:44:48.900 You know, you must have, like, issues with the fact that he kept everyone in their houses during COVID
00:44:54.400 and then had a tip line where you could report your neighbors for leaving their house to have them arrested.
00:44:59.300 Like, you don't see that as, like, a little fashy?
00:45:01.900 And they're like, no, everybody had COVID policy like that.
00:45:05.180 I'm like, did they?
00:45:08.180 This is, this is getting 1984 level here.
00:45:10.820 I don't know, I loved, I loved Peru, though, where they were like, girls go out today, boys go out today.
00:45:15.700 That was, that was just great.
00:45:17.460 That's how they did in Peru.
00:45:18.480 That's how they do it, yeah.
00:45:19.840 So, we're gonna end here.
00:45:22.160 I love you to Desimone.
00:45:24.200 And I hope you have a spectacular day.
00:45:26.840 Fame.
00:45:28.980 Which one do you want to do next?
00:45:30.600 We could do one on that show.
00:45:31.740 By the way, I saw what you left with my Love with the Roxine prescription.
00:45:35.980 What is this?
00:45:36.860 Field of Screams.
00:45:38.020 Is this a call for help, Malcolm?
00:45:40.220 This is a call for our family to do some fun Halloween stuff.
00:45:44.720 At these prices, Screen Pass, $40 to $55.
00:45:48.680 Triple Combo, $38.
00:45:50.740 The Extreme Blackout is $60.
00:45:54.740 Multiple.
00:45:55.180 ATMs on site.
00:45:57.580 What, what is this but a terrifying way to lose money?
00:46:01.360 It's cheaper than vacation.
00:46:02.380 I think we need to go on less vacations and do more things at home.
00:46:05.360 The only thing that's scary about this is just how hideous everything looks.
00:46:10.020 Okay, the zombie fun run does look really fun.
00:46:12.300 The zombie fun run.
00:46:12.940 You saw that one?
00:46:13.660 And there's this like random wholesome like corn event where they're like, oh, it'll be
00:46:17.400 fine.
00:46:18.200 Bring your kids.
00:46:19.000 It's not that scary.
00:46:20.240 But then on the cover, don't forget.
00:46:22.340 Don't you want to terrify our children?
00:46:24.200 Someone like, wouldn't that give you some joy?
00:46:26.300 I have them sit right at bedtime and watch videos of bears killing other animals so that
00:46:32.320 they don't go running outside every night.
00:46:34.320 And what do they do but wander in two hours later in the pitch dark?
00:46:39.040 Mommy, can I see a bear video again?
00:46:41.620 There's no stopping these savages.
00:46:45.800 I love Octavian telling Torsey, a bear will bite you and rip off your skin.
00:46:53.920 Yeah, I mean, at least they understand it.
00:46:57.120 I guess my concern is if we actually take them to one of these things, they'll think that
00:47:02.660 they actually have license to try to kill people.
00:47:05.640 And I don't know how effective they'll be.
00:47:08.140 A little concerned.
00:47:09.660 Do you think the kids will?
00:47:11.920 I mean, I wouldn't put anything past them.
00:47:15.420 Would you?
00:47:18.180 Actually, yeah, they might, you know?
00:47:21.740 You got to make it clear to, you know, not kill the actors.
00:47:24.700 If they thought they were being attacked.
00:47:28.040 All right, I'll get started here.
00:47:29.820 Okay, someone?
00:47:30.180 Please, yeah.
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