Based Camp - March 17, 2026


Why Did Culture Stop Evolving？ (2025=2015 But 1995≠1985)

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Malcolm Collins Simone Collins
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Sam Bunce Gen Z Woody Guthrie Henry James Hemingway Jeffrey Epstein Cormac McCarthy Joseph Conrad Shannon Cook Catherine D Miles Davis Hobby Lobby Sand Bunce Joan Jett Bob Dylan Uber Eats Fitzgerald Billboard Malcolm
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What if we ve entered an age in which culture can no longer advance, and we don t even know it? What if the internet has really collapsed time from a cultural perspective, which has rendered society completely incapable of advancing culture because new developments lack the ability to gain traction?

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00:00:00.000 So how different was 1986 from 1996, culturally speaking?
00:00:05.340 Right.
00:00:06.060 It was two different worlds.
00:00:15.420 Oh my God!
00:00:23.420 But if you go from where we are today to 2005, I mean, it's different.
00:00:29.340 but not really yeah there's there's not there's not that much different would you like to know
00:00:33.920 more hello Malcolm I'm excited to be speaking with you today because I'm trying to wrap my
00:00:38.780 head around something and I need someone to talk with about this that what's getting on my mind so
00:00:46.800 much and I can't work it out is what if we've entered an age in which culture can no longer
00:00:53.820 advance and we don't even know it. And I'm referring kind of to what we talked about in a
00:00:59.820 podcast before, where we talked about there being only one story left that basically discourse about
00:01:05.860 global politics and technology and the economy is the only thing that everyone can really talk
00:01:12.220 about collectively anymore because entertainment media is so fragmented and desynchronized and
00:01:17.160 that not everyone's really watching the same show or movie or reading the same books at the same
00:01:22.840 time like they used to anymore but i feel like beyond that beyond that last show left issue that
00:01:29.400 we discussed there's this it could be the case that the internet has really collapsed time from
00:01:35.720 a cultural perspective which has rendered society completely incapable of advancing culture because
00:01:42.280 new developments lack the ability to gain traction kind of like you you can you can walk upstairs you
00:01:49.160 you know, and progress onward and upward by pressing on the step, you know, that you're
00:01:54.800 standing on and moving up to the next step. But I feel like now we've gone from being on stairs to
00:02:00.180 being like in a ball pit, you know, you put a foot down and it just pushes through balls,
00:02:04.680 you know, like a giant ball pit. Or really light snow. Yeah, or really, yeah, like in an avalanche,
00:02:10.340 yeah. And we're just, we're just buried in the very like light packed snow of an avalanche and
00:02:16.140 we're not able to move and i i really started thinking you make an interesting point here and
00:02:22.080 i want to pull on it a little bit okay just to say that if we look at the culture of today
00:02:27.980 versus the culture of the what is it 2025 now 2015 it's 2026 2026 okay yeah so how different
00:02:38.520 was 1986 from 1996 culturally speaking right it was two different worlds yeah and then if you go
00:02:46.440 from you know 1996 and then say let's go one decade back from that 1976 we're in a different
00:02:54.480 cultural universe at that point but if you go from where we are today to 2005 I mean it's different
00:03:02.360 but it is less different than 1996 to 1986 yeah not really yeah there's there's not there's not
00:03:09.680 that much different and i don't think kids today like our younger audience is going to really grasp
00:03:15.980 how extreme this would have felt historically speaking how
00:03:22.500 horrifically long ago let's do that the 1970s show how how far back in time would we be playing
00:03:32.420 the 1970s show was made today that 70s show is that we were referring to oh yeah that was
00:03:39.240 wasn't that made like what 15 years ago now so the show premiered about 22 years and three months
00:03:48.000 after it was set and you need to understand when this show came out this didn't feel like
00:03:53.980 the last generation this felt like three or four generations ago in terms of trends i remember
00:04:02.000 growing up and the that 70s show came out when i was a teenager and it felt like uh i remember
00:04:09.800 talking about the trends of the hippies and stuff like that when i was a kid as something so
00:04:15.260 distantly in the past i could barely imagine it and and now that 70s show aired more than
00:04:21.980 so it came out 22 years after it was set it came out over 27 years ago
00:04:30.200 so much longer ago than it came out right i mean so i i first started thinking about this
00:04:39.280 when when you mentioned in our episode on the modern audience like the modern audience
00:04:44.160 that people making content for like shows and movies for the modern audience were really
00:04:51.360 primarily watching shows from their childhoods or from the 90s and I was thinking about it also
00:04:56.960 because every weekend when you have our kids watching cartoons they're cartoons from our
00:05:01.960 childhood or even from before our childhood like from the 80s which is is talking about something
00:05:08.140 that I think is important to extract here I occasionally will try to do like a deep dive
00:05:12.880 into the social media history of somebody who I just like politically do not get like they're
00:05:17.420 politically totally different for me I'm like what are they engaging with what are they and
00:05:21.900 there was this one like super woke person and I was trying to understand what shows do super woke
00:05:28.000 people watch and what I realized is they watch no modern audience content they watch no modern
00:05:34.480 content at all they are too afraid of something new triggering them emotionally so they only watch
00:05:42.420 content from their childhoods the content that existed before trigger warnings ironically and
00:05:47.740 weirdly yeah it is full of sexual harassment and trauma this is the people who are so triggered by
00:05:54.500 this stuff are too afraid to get in a new context right they're like oh what if i get some
00:05:58.980 corporate messaging from disney or something right so they don't they don't go out and try
00:06:03.740 new things but what's interesting is we do the same to an extent i for my kids i don't play
00:06:09.720 really any modern shows i did for a while like we had subscriptions to like paramount and we tried
00:06:14.400 to watch some of the modern stuff with them but honestly i feel like they enjoy it more and they
00:06:19.180 get better values from old school power ranger reruns and teenage mutant ninja turtle reruns
00:06:24.220 well now they're all they're all gi joe gi joe right and gi joe is cool you know they actually
00:06:30.100 go out and shoot people with lasers and the united states is amazing and the the there's one episode
00:06:37.300 i didn't realize like how real it was there's one episode where they it takes place in like a 0.86
00:06:42.040 stripper bar i guess like a like a a sexy dancey bar right okay really the intent and the cobra
00:06:49.640 has all of her albums and is a big fan of hers but she's secretly helping the gi joes and hiding
00:06:55.140 them in her dresser room when the you know cobra commandos come in and it very much felt like like
00:07:01.580 like a james bondy sort of a film or something like that like i was i'm impressed i think they
00:07:05.780 do a good job of grabbing the kids but i tried to show them you know more recent stuff and they
00:07:10.400 just find it boring yeah well i find more recent stuff boring too but so there's that right the
00:07:15.880 fact that like we are raising our kids on archival content and that we're also now like we're the
00:07:23.600 just the stagnation i feel like we're seeing now we're like stuck in these weird loops that
00:07:28.340 we're just seeing all these prequels and sequels and while there's some new content i'm not really
00:07:33.500 seeing it get traction and it also just feels highly iterative on its own like i mean i obviously 0.60
00:07:40.380 got on the bridgerton bandwagon recently because i love stupid historical romances but that's
00:07:46.420 historical romance like it's there's nothing new or interesting about it and that genre has been 0.93
00:07:52.620 around for an extremely long time so again that's not like new culture creation it's just like here's
00:07:57.880 where i'm gonna push back on you okay this isn't happening everywhere in some industries we have
00:08:03.820 seen culture continue to advance at around the same rate as it did historically a great example
00:08:09.680 is anime if you watch an anime today versus a 2005 anime you will immediately be able to clock
00:08:17.940 this is a 2005 anime okay you know what that's a really good point culture and then if you go to a
00:08:22.900 1990s anime oh my gosh yeah a different universe again right like and this isn't just in terms of
00:08:30.860 the animation style this is in terms of culture and zooming and i mean even the idea of like an
00:08:37.420 izakai is a modern concept right like this is a concept that was like invented and gained
00:08:43.340 popularity in like the last 15 years right yeah very new yeah and that's an entire genre
00:08:49.260 that is that is large other genres are trapped in a video game trapped in a video game is something
00:08:56.920 that the west has done but not really in the way that these were online with anime and then you
00:09:04.100 can go to other areas like the one of my favorite forms of these days i mean one of my two is
00:09:09.340 obviously reality fabricator and like ai interactive stories that's a completely new
00:09:12.940 form of content yeah didn't exist and then the other is korean romance mawas about well no they're
00:09:20.060 called mawas mawas yes it means i don't know but it stands for something but that's when they're
00:09:26.560 an online strip that's meant to be read as a long vertical strip oh because they're really designed
00:09:32.740 for phone screens and these these the the setting has like an element of historicity to it right
00:09:40.420 like obviously it's always like dukes duchess always reborn as somebody somebody yeah and
00:09:46.400 they're like vaguely european typically but they're they're not based in like this which
00:09:50.780 is funny i love reading about medieval european fantasies in a culture that is trying to be
00:09:59.220 you know we're gonna say paint medieval europe in a romanticized light and i get that from my
00:10:05.060 korean online mangas you know but but but that's that's new so we are seeing some iteration but
00:10:12.900 it was in very narrow niches that i think actually build on your starting concept here
00:10:18.960 yeah that you have to have a point of traction or you can't move forward you have to have like a
00:10:25.780 blockchain or a chronological ruler that you can move along and understand where you are on the
00:10:32.580 timeline in order to be able to push yourself forward. And if there is no foundation, you cannot
00:10:39.120 move forward. And this really solidified when I read this guest post on Catherine D, friend of
00:10:45.420 the podcast, default blog, which I highly recommend default.blog. It's on Substack. This guest post by
00:10:51.560 Sam Bunce was called Gen Z Live C Archive. And this is really where I got this like, oh, wow.
00:10:58.500 okay so when when history collapses in on itself and when you live unmoored from time
00:11:04.180 it's very hard to progress so i'm going to read a couple choice quotes from it because i think it
00:11:09.560 can help us kind of work through this idea and understand basically regions in which culture
00:11:15.620 can't advance or like culture crafting and creation will be unable to get a foothold
00:11:22.160 versus regions like what you just pointed out with like anime and manga where there it can still
00:11:27.580 sustain life it can still sustain it's like you know narrow enough that you're able to get a dense
00:11:33.580 enough cultural lattice yeah take the next step yeah or you know just by default like that is the
00:11:40.580 natural environment right and maybe what we've we've created through these online environments
00:11:45.500 where there's sort of everything is available all at once is you know how like in nature there's
00:11:50.800 those weird carbon monoxide pools in like there might be an indentation in the land and there's
00:11:56.880 some kind of like off gassing from a volcanic rift or something so that there's just a bunch
00:12:02.520 of carbon monoxide in a little like valley or or dent in the land and animals wander in there and
00:12:08.360 just die because they don't realize that they're not breathing any oxygen you know what I'm talking
00:12:12.020 about yes yeah so I feel like that's that's kind of what this is too is like people are wandering
00:12:18.600 into it and not realizing that when they go in it just everything kind of just no more life can be
00:12:23.900 sustained. But anyway, some quotes from Sam Bunce in Gen Z Lives in the Archive. According to a
00:12:30.180 2019 article from Billboard, Shannon Cook, a trends expert at Spotify, said that Gen Z's listening
00:12:35.760 habits on Spotify were unusually broad, intended to delve deeply into the past. Tracks by Miles
00:12:41.520 Davis, Blue and Green, The Grateful Dead, Friend of the Devil, and Joan Jett, I Love Rock and Roll,
00:12:47.220 were among Gen Z's most listened to tracks at the time. Albeit this article was from 2019,
00:12:52.600 but the forces driving the trend, TikTok, nostalgia, and the buffet-like nature of
00:12:57.240 streaming platforms have only continued or accelerated their effects. The aforementioned
00:13:01.820 2025 article from ActiveAir argued that Spotify data showed Gen Z was connecting more to Gen X
00:13:08.560 music on Spotify, beguiled by its apparent authenticity. Zoomers, you see, live inside 1.00
00:13:14.520 the archive. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say they are imprisoned inside the archive.
00:13:19.100 a Borgensium labyrinth. Everything that has ever happened exists at their fingertips.
00:13:25.740 Assign equal weight or assign whatever weight the fickle algorithm happens to be assigning
00:13:30.380 on that particular day. This is also why they have a uniquely anxious generation paralyzed
00:13:35.140 by the inability to choose. They are confronted with too many options unstuck in time.
00:13:41.740 And I think that that's really interesting. And we've never really existed in this period of
00:13:45.400 history where an entire generation doesn't really have this like here's where we are it's more like
00:13:53.380 they're experiencing the 1960s they're experiencing the 1970s they're experiencing the 1950s like
00:13:59.400 wherever they choose to have an affiliation because you're not sure what today they are
00:14:03.520 right so they're like that's also true yeah this is how i know i'm consuming human being content
00:14:09.540 oh that yeah that reference to authenticity like that they liked gen x stuff because they knew it
00:14:13.920 was like real and now who knows what's real yeah i guess that's an additional layer that makes
00:14:18.760 culture crafting really difficult now is like you don't even know what's legit now that's a really
00:14:23.300 good point too well i i also think the when i was growing up i remember a lot of people were pulled
00:14:28.180 to really historic stuff because it was like a flex over other kids oh yeah it was a way it was
00:14:32.260 a way to look cool but now i think it's it's different it's more like well this is just showing
00:14:36.980 up on spot it's like just in your feed yeah actually this is an interesting idea can we
00:14:42.900 can we capture this was like the prenatalist movement can we be like
00:14:48.040 let's let's recreate like the 90s right that i'd love to recreate the 90s the 90s were pretty fun
00:14:56.060 how there's like disney towns and maybe we can just create a 90s town
00:14:59.720 with that everybody's like i want to go back to the 19th i'm like who wants to be in the 1950s
00:15:06.040 the 1990s were so much cooler they're like yeah style stuff you know for kids and everything
00:15:11.200 what was that show that had like the 90s character that was like on a skateboard
00:15:16.360 erased my country too the most out of control radical place the world had ever seen slam zone
00:15:22.460 your country was called slam zone the united republic of slam zone in title totality
00:15:30.220 ah the only thing that still makes sense to me is a nice ice cold capri sun
00:15:37.960 i'm not really in the mood for a capri sun here you go drink up sorry friend but you know what i
00:15:45.080 do know what's that another ice cold capri sun would really hit the spot i don't want another
00:15:50.040 one i don't want the first one you gotta hydrate yourself drink up oh gosh yes i love that that
00:15:55.200 was detective heart of america and you're thinking of slam zone the entire world was stuck in the
00:16:00.820 90s coming at you capri sun by the pitcher so whenever you want you can make as much as you want
00:16:11.220 all natural capri sun drink mix yeah yeah you just want to create slam zone
00:16:17.340 and i i do i want to create slam zone that's what we should do that is what
00:16:21.680 well super high tech slam zone what everyone thought 90s mad scientist was right you know
00:16:28.000 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Hmm. Things to think about there. Let me give you another quote that might
00:16:34.520 elicit some thoughts. Again, from Sam Bunce. We think of time as being continuous, as involving
00:16:41.280 one event following causally after a preceding event, but living within the digital archive
00:16:46.500 disintegrates our basic linear perception of time. Since every era is equally available and all
00:16:52.460 events are potentially happening at the same time, the chain of causality and influence breaks down
00:16:57.540 completely. We think of musicians, artists, writers, and filmmakers as responding to those
00:17:02.180 who came before them generationally. For instance, Bob Dylan admired and initially imitated Woody
00:17:08.940 Guthrie, but he also rebelled and created his own style, departing from Guthrie's folksy
00:17:13.560 populism and adding intensely personal and surrealistic touches. Changes in the arts
00:17:20.200 always work this way. One generation responds to the previous generation, Hemingway and Fitzgerald
00:17:24.960 were reaching to joseph conrad edith wharton and henry james while henry james was reacting to
00:17:30.160 hawthorne and emerson and so on and so forth sometimes i wonder if this will ultimately
00:17:34.640 result in a state of cultural affairs in which fresh artistic creation stops entirely and i think
00:17:40.160 that's a really good point i mean so many of the artistic journeys that i'm aware of from like the
00:17:44.640 the beatles and the beach boys to authors that i really liked were definitely riffing on like the
00:17:51.520 people right before them and i don't see why this shouldn't be possible for people to take
00:17:57.840 inspiration from people at any point in history but i do wonder if it makes traction impossible
00:18:03.680 to gain you know like there's there's no like how can you catch on too and how can you be
00:18:08.480 influential if everyone's listening to someone slightly different you know what i mean there's
00:18:12.320 there's no critical mass yeah I still think that people are able to build on other people
00:18:23.800 regardless of when they existed in history like you don't have to build on someone who existed
00:18:28.860 just you know who works 10 years before you did or who is is creating content at the same time
00:18:34.600 that you are but I also feel like part of the issue is that people aren't going to be able to
00:18:39.540 get the traction or critical mass that they need like one of the reasons why Hemingway got big was
00:18:45.560 because a lot of people started reading his work and talking about him at the same time and how are
00:18:51.180 new people going to be able to contribute to the cultural blockchain to to become icons culturally
00:18:58.360 speaking when there isn't a critical mass of people all kind of forced or or a captive audience
00:19:05.220 like how can I put this linear time creates a captive audience because everyone is just
00:19:11.780 at the whims of whatever is available at the time right whatever the newest book or movie
00:19:16.760 or radio show or tv show might be right but now everything is available at once there isn't a
00:19:24.740 sufficiently large captive audience looking for something novel to be able to be talking about
00:19:29.680 you at once to be able to then build upon what you have contributed to human culture on the whole
00:19:36.300 does that make sense like i worry that there won't be enough traction
00:19:39.180 i can understand what you're saying but it's not that we don't get figures like say an asmogold
00:19:48.900 who build a sizable following and represent a new cultural force i don't does he i think he
00:19:55.340 just represents kind of the views of your average based american i am going to push back here i
00:20:02.060 think the new right is significantly politically different from the old right to an extent that
00:20:07.100 really is meaningful and you can watch our episodes on like the anthropology of the new
00:20:10.480 right or something you're hearing more about this to call it a completely new cultural movement or
00:20:15.040 rather the the reclamation of an older cultural movement in the united states over the old rights
00:20:21.320 former dominance and it is like if you watch a figure like asmogold because i have you know
00:20:26.580 reporters i talk to you know i've got to send them like asmogold nuxenor i'm like this is
00:20:30.140 this is what's in the right right now right somebody like nuxenor the way he talks that
00:20:35.760 he's a vtuber the way he acts that he comes off is entirely new right like this is not
00:20:41.760 especially for a right-wing space you know the flamboyant dress the you know even even us you
00:20:48.260 know this is i don't know right wing am radio shock jocks had stylistic ways of talking and 0.59
00:20:54.080 commented on what was happening in real time the format is different like the tech is novel
00:20:59.960 no no no the delivery is novel i don't think that they i i hear there is similarities between nugs 0.99
00:21:06.380 and or and the classic am shock jock that i hadn't considered they do have a lot of similarities to
00:21:11.080 them now that you put it that way because i used to listen to conservative am shock jocks when i
00:21:14.780 as a kid because my parents did um which is funny is that what we've become conservative
00:21:19.220 radio shock jocks of our generation it's filling the same kind of void it's the thing that people
00:21:26.380 are having playing in the background of their lives as they go about doing things yeah yeah
00:21:31.060 people listen to their am radio shock jock while they like drove to work or were doing laundry or
00:21:35.660 were doing you know drudge work at the workplace yeah more broadly the culture of the new right 0.97
00:21:41.620 do think is is meaningfully new and i do think that you get meaningfully new cultures bubbling
00:21:46.480 up but they emerge in places and within things that we do not recognize as culture because we
00:21:54.680 are so cued to old scenes so if you look at cultural shifts that happened in the 80s and
00:22:01.100 in the 90s and in the 70s what drove the cultural shift was predominantly subcultures whether it
00:22:08.640 was hippie or grunge or goth or anything like that right the reason why you don't get new
00:22:15.720 subcultures being born today is because when they are born they do not look like that the old 1.00
00:22:22.240 subcultures that you saw in those periods were born from young people who were accumulating
00:22:29.720 in locations and in scenes that were often counterculture that had unique ways of presenting
00:22:37.060 yourself and unique identities you were trying to get across um and in a modern context what
00:22:43.920 environments have done that it's been games it's been you know let's say minecraft in fact minecraft
00:22:49.820 is probably larger as a scene as a place i'm not talking about as a video game i'm talking about as
00:22:55.360 a social scene
00:23:20.560 so are you saying like roblox is the new harajuku
00:23:23.760 yes like roblox is the new harajuku and within communities like roblox you have subcultures
00:23:32.760 that are meaningful and that cycle over the lifetime of one of these you know products or
00:23:38.180 environments and it's not just there you also see this in the streamers in the vtuber space
00:23:45.800 everything like that this is new vtubers are new especially conservative and yet huge huge
00:23:53.580 and hugely influential as well and was in you know from the aughts to now you know you had the
00:24:01.880 the death of fortune during that period i love when younger people are like so like oh you guys
00:24:07.140 seem like boomers talking about like the death of fortune and i was like bro you either either
00:24:16.580 you're my age or you weren't alive at the height of fortune right like that this is the when i
00:24:23.440 when i was young was when that was big i don't know what yeah like jeffrey epstein was influential
00:24:28.740 in fortune he old was yeah yeah that is so but that culture was really important for like
00:24:36.240 generative online culture for a period it generated big scenes consider the bronies right
00:24:41.480 like that was a fad that grew and got big and had a giant culture around it and then died that's 0.62
00:24:48.980 true you know um yeah and and the bronies were i would say significantly more culturally distinct
00:24:57.780 than and likely in terms of total identified people than goth culture ever was than punk
00:25:04.840 culture ever was potentially even than hidden culture was no i totally disagree i mean there
00:25:12.120 weren't like you couldn't find in any random small town a brony clothing store where you could find
00:25:21.660 like the hippie store you could find the goth store you know it might be because that wasn't
00:25:26.460 how they purchased their differentiators it's through closing stores yeah i i don't know i mean
00:25:32.900 i think i'm trying to actually think through this in in well i think the reason why the brony
00:25:37.900 movement got so much larger than those other movements is because it didn't require that
00:25:43.740 people who were in it publicly identify as members i mean some of the more extreme ones did but but
00:25:51.420 the vast majority did not outside of like online avatars and stuff like that so that was you know
00:25:57.620 interesting well what you're describing is when you have a small enough community where there can
00:26:04.040 be history and people building on each other then you you can have culture creation and and this
00:26:11.200 innovation what you're describing though in all these instances is is constrained communities
00:26:18.300 where this is able to happen well and i think that this makes a lot of sense what allowed for
00:26:23.380 the brony culture to be born in the first place by the way one of my favorite videos that we made
00:26:27.980 is how far right the my little pony show actually was and if you haven't seen that episode it's
00:26:32.540 hilarious because it's like actually true it's super they have like literal anti-communist
00:26:39.520 episodes where the communist sign is the same sign that they use today the blue equal mark
00:26:45.320 for like lgbt groups and stuff like that
00:26:48.160 i'm sorry i'm just having a hard time understanding different talents lead to
00:26:59.320 different opinions which lead to bitterness and misery like it's it's wild how it's a literal
00:27:05.720 show argues that you shouldn't be a racist theocracy take jobs in accordance with their
00:27:12.660 racial proficiencies like it's it's it is wild anyway yeah watch that what i wanted to make 1.00
00:27:19.800 clear is what allowed the birth culture in the first place was that you had a rigid enough
00:27:26.460 culture was in 4chan at the time, which is where the Brony Kitchen was born, that you could be
00:27:32.840 radical and coercive by saying, you know what, no, I'm going to be 100% wholesome and about little
00:27:40.440 kids and about traditional ideas of goodness, which was really subversive to 4chan culture
00:27:47.280 of that period, right? And so you were able to create something that was antagonistic to that,
00:27:54.520 which was huge within online culture.
00:27:55.840 The core online culture at the time was trolling and angry and mean and pessimistic.
00:28:01.820 And it was, what if we created an inversion of this?
00:28:04.580 But you don't always need that to create new subcultures.
00:28:07.400 A great and modern example of a subculture that produces a lot of content
00:28:11.580 that I very much enjoy is the SCP community.
00:28:15.920 Are you familiar with that?
00:28:17.020 No.
00:28:18.940 Okay.
00:28:20.200 Now that I'm describing it from scratch, it might be a little bit harder to describe
00:28:23.460 than I thought.
00:28:23.800 so basically it is a shared community of storytellers okay have crafted a very detailed
00:28:36.080 lore around a universe in which something called the scp exists what is the scp is an organization
00:28:47.640 that captures stores supernatural events and beings think of it like a men in black but for
00:28:55.800 the supernatural and they have like a very detailed wikipedia very large communities they create and
00:29:02.100 what's interesting about it is it's like there's canon within the scp world there's like ways that
00:29:07.160 things get voted into being canonically an scp creature so examples of scp creatures you may have
00:29:16.180 seen because you've likely seen a lot of it and not know it i'm pretty sure slender man started
00:29:20.480 as an scp another one that was much more clearly in the scp community was have you seen that giant
00:29:27.700 figure that has sirens on his head yeah and it's very late that's an example of an scp so there's
00:29:34.720 there's uh actually just look up scps are it's a cool community because i like lore and so i love
00:29:42.200 looking up like long breakdowns of like lores that people have created around and i love scary
00:29:47.600 stories when i go on long flights i'll download scary stories to listen to and a lot of the scp
00:29:53.580 foundation community is a massive collaborative internet-based creative writing product project
00:29:58.500 dedicated to producing horror and sci-fi stories about containing anomalous entities
00:30:03.780 originating from a 2007 4chan post the community operates as a user-driven wiki-based universe
00:30:10.400 where members write critique and vote on stories called files or tales building a shared
00:30:16.580 decentralized lore that is fascinating right that sounds cool like you read that yeah that sounds
00:30:24.140 cool well but again this is and but that that's one of those things where like there is it's
00:30:30.200 constrained they have a process there is a wiki there are votes and that's one of my key questions
00:30:36.100 is, do we need a sense of a clear timeline in order to craft a new culture? And I'll give you
00:30:40.560 another quote from Sam Bunce to kick off this, like, is this a firm thing? He wrote, in Plato's
00:30:46.440 dialogue, Ion, he describes how inspiration works. The first poet was inspired directly by the muse
00:30:52.640 with an iron filling attached to a lodestone. The subsequent generations of poets are like iron
00:31:00.380 fillings attached to that first filling. The force of inspiration is still present, but it is exerted
00:31:06.400 indirectly and weakens with every generation. Thus, the influence of the original impetus
00:31:11.580 wanes until presumably we culturally reset and reconnect to the magnetic source directly. Gen Z
00:31:18.000 finds itself in a state where in which all the fillings have been scattered on the ground,
00:31:23.300 perhaps experiencing some ambient attraction from the lodestone, but unable to really connect with
00:31:28.580 it i liked his metaphor there but like like the sort of the wiki's been lost you just hear about
00:31:35.060 siren head you just hear about these things but you can't really build upon them because
00:31:38.640 you're missing the fact that there actually was and is this this that like scp exists and that
00:31:44.980 there is this place you want a subculture today you can find a subculture to be a part
00:31:51.040 but they're not as in your face as they were historically because there's not a reason to be
00:31:57.220 in your face why dress differentially if you're not even going to school because of covid right
00:32:03.840 you know like why if all your friends are online and that's the cool place to be why invest all of
00:32:11.200 this money in these differential outfits and everything like that outside of how they make
00:32:16.420 you appear on camera right what i see actually instead is with young people with really a lot
00:32:22.000 of people is people get slotted into kind of like a cart on, on a road where, you know, like the,
00:32:30.040 the, the wheel holes get like worn down and you get slotted into it. They fall into these
00:32:35.740 algorithmic holes and start dressing for their algorithmic ecosystem. And so they have this,
00:32:43.040 this subculture that they take on sometimes unknowingly because they, and perhaps many of
00:32:49.380 their immediate like convenience friends people they work with or go to school with or live with
00:32:53.720 have also fallen into this rut where then they start dressing this way but what I'm starting
00:32:58.940 to come away with here too is this feeling like when it comes to culture if you are a feed-based
00:33:05.980 person and if you passively consume media online you will not be able to contribute to crafting
00:33:12.220 culture or witness the development of culture you are you're basically in this chaotic world
00:33:18.200 where all the fillings are on the ground
00:33:20.720 or like you're in the ball pit
00:33:21.980 or you're in the loose snow
00:33:23.220 and there is no traction,
00:33:25.840 there is no sense,
00:33:26.780 there is no narrative,
00:33:27.660 there is no progression.
00:33:29.060 But if you want to,
00:33:30.420 you can choose to enter
00:33:32.120 one of these closed spheres
00:33:35.340 where there actually is development
00:33:37.820 and generation taking place,
00:33:39.600 where there is the wiki
00:33:41.960 and the lore and the development
00:33:43.420 or like in the anime world
00:33:44.900 where everyone is kind of watching
00:33:46.740 the new show at the same time
00:33:48.080 and getting inspired by it and then building upon it and building upon it. And these new trends are
00:33:52.200 coming at new genres are emerging, or you are on YouTube and you are sort of evolving with the new
00:33:58.820 way that people are coming to consume news media and understand the world through this like network
00:34:06.360 and, and broadly connected groupings of, of YouTube influencers and things like that. Right.
00:34:13.040 but you have to be one or the other like if if you're you can either be an active consumer of
00:34:18.480 media online or a passive consumer of media and that will determine whether or not you are
00:34:23.560 witnessing and contributing to culture creation does that seem like it makes sense
00:34:28.580 active yeah well i mean i also think that it's possible for things to be more atomized
00:34:35.460 so consider our wider cultural circle which is this new right cultural circle right and i can
00:34:41.220 look at the overlapping youtubers we have and and you know these days we dress like medieval people
00:34:45.940 right like we have a very distinct style of dress that people would say i'm wearing a gambeson vest
00:34:51.640 and a medieval shirt and you're wearing you know full medieval gambeson like head saying and
00:34:57.040 everything they that historically people would have looked at us and assumed that we're either
00:35:01.400 part of a religious cult or part of some subculture that they're not aware of and yet
00:35:06.720 if you look at where the other people like the people who watch us the other things that they're
00:35:11.560 watching um that they're watching they don't dress like us like next taku looks like a completely
00:35:16.580 different subculture than us and as we go looks like another subculture still and legally it
00:35:21.460 looks like another and equally distinct subculture still and and that's important there it's not that
00:35:28.960 everyone in sort of our influencer social oh and romanian vtuber the romanian tv guy right troll
00:35:35.180 guy again another unique and distinct subculture distinct from all of these other subcultures
00:35:41.180 who's one of the other ones that talks in our spaces goth conservative guy whatever his name is
00:35:45.860 again completely distinct temple again completely distinct maybe somewhat similar to asthma gold but
00:35:52.500 not really so with every one of these influencers you are seeing not like a well we're the weirdos
00:36:00.840 we we're dressed no more weirdly than nuxenor or leaflet are dressed on their shows no more
00:36:06.780 weirdly than romanian tv is dressed on his show right like well they're vtubers so they could 1.00
00:36:12.460 choose a there's a lot of vtubers out there that choose more traditional models where i wouldn't
00:36:16.660 be saying this so there's a vtuber i don't like him as much as the other ones but he the dresses
00:36:20.700 like a little crusader guy who like bounces around the screen and i wouldn't be saying he looks weird
00:36:25.060 i'd be saying okay he's trying to be like trad in some way but leaflet wants to look like a goo girl 0.99
00:36:30.740 right like that's pretty distinct in and that's one of her personas but then she's got the non 0.98
00:36:36.620 goo girl persona just like a little elf thing and then nugs and or is a spectral jew i i don't know 0.60
00:36:43.720 he's got a little some sort of jewish specter okay that's a i i don't know if he's supposed
00:36:51.320 to be a specter maybe a ghoul some sort and romanian tv is definitely a troll yeah which
00:36:56.660 was an interesting model for him to have chosen because it like goes with his voice really well
00:37:01.260 like i imagine a troll would have that sort of like very cynical and exasperated voice
00:37:07.300 i don't know but i love it yeah i i i yeah i don't know exactly what should we do vtubing
00:37:18.480 instead simone is this is this a problem that we're not vtubers is that we look cartoonish
00:37:23.400 enough i think we've you know met the threshold we don't need additional avatars to look more
00:37:27.800 cartoony the glasses help a lot so yeah i'm not too excited about that a lot of youtubers are
00:37:33.520 people who are pretending to be much younger than they are who need to you know use sex appeal which
00:37:38.460 i've never i don't think that we're going to be good at that we're not selling on sex appeal
00:37:42.580 what about culture hyper inflation because i do feel like people are so overwhelmed by the fire
00:37:49.220 hose of everything being put out there now. Plus now there's all this AI based generation that
00:37:54.500 there's just like so much. Sam Bunce in his piece, again, quotes Cormac McCarthy in an interview
00:38:00.160 saying, quote, I don't know what of our culture is going to survive or if we survive. If you look
00:38:06.480 at the Greek plays, they're really good. And there's just a handful of them. Well, how good
00:38:10.980 would they be if there were 2,500 of them? But that's just the future looking back at us.
00:38:16.360 anything you can think of there's going to be millions of them just the sheer number of things
00:38:21.240 will devalue them i don't care whether it's art literature poetry drama whatever the sheer volume
00:38:26.840 of it will wash out i mean if you had thousands of greek plays to read would they be that good
00:38:32.660 i don't think so and i think he makes a good point and with ai we're going to have amazing
00:38:38.360 high quality everything in a billion iterations how is that going to affect culture creation and
00:38:44.160 when you even when you have these small communities are they just going to be
00:38:47.660 i mean i just don't know how is anything going to be able to gain traction at that point when you
00:38:54.100 have that's an interesting question and that's why we need to gain traction with our ai system
00:38:57.740 our fab.ai try it to create your own but because then we have the agents the agents can do bigger
00:39:02.580 things than just stories like if you wanted to craft lore or book or a world they could do that
00:39:07.800 for you. Right. And that is something that is really cool, but you know, we've got to be the
00:39:14.280 first to gain traction on that front. What I had posited in the past before, I don't know,
00:39:20.760 we started experiencing this in reality. So when I was thinking about this all in the abstract
00:39:25.840 was that we would see techno feudalism form around verified humans, that there would be this,
00:39:36.360 the crisis of the dead internet would really hit everyone. And then people would start to form
00:39:41.840 communities around known humans. And then there would be these sort of hybrid meet offline once
00:39:49.140 or twice a year at like a conference or at local meetups or whatever. And then the rest of the time
00:39:54.080 hang out online asynchronously by consuming each other's content, maybe having hangouts online
00:40:00.320 every now and then, live streams, et cetera, where you're like, you know that this community of
00:40:05.500 people they're all real because i've met them in person i meet them in person once or twice a year
00:40:10.760 and then i see them online and i know it's them and i have that comfort of knowing it's them
00:40:15.520 but like the problem is now that it's really happening people are not actually that obsessed
00:40:22.000 with having it be human they're like no like the ai is better yeah whatever yeah no no and i think
00:40:27.240 this is something we've actually seen really aggressively the if we talk about like even the
00:40:31.660 handful of influencers that i've been talking about who i i listen to these influencers are
00:40:36.300 predominantly vtubers they could be ais and i wouldn't know the difference yeah i mean i i would
00:40:42.260 you've seen people using i mean like you don't have to be a vtuber to be convincing either
00:40:49.900 we're basically at the point where you could have someone who looked like us
00:40:53.240 on a podcast and people wouldn't necessarily know with ai yeah yeah yeah yeah you could you could
00:41:00.740 create a convincing version of us that's a good point that sucks how long how long do we have left
00:41:06.980 we're doing there's already you can already use a skin where like that you've seen all the clips
00:41:11.460 of like guys showing a split screen where like they're talking and then they can get a hot girl
00:41:18.400 to talk like you know you could just put a hot girl skin on you yeah asthma gold was talking
00:41:23.020 about this and i have another episode i'm going to do on this because there's been some like big
00:41:26.020 media outlets like that used to be like mainstream like gaming outlets that have been bought and
00:41:29.460 replaced everyone with ai and like actual ai like if you go to the profile pages of people
00:41:34.520 and you click like download the button he showed that it said like generated with gpt
00:41:38.240 like their their face their image their profile picture and that everything they're doing is ai
00:41:43.420 then asmogold was insane and now when he sees a hot girl on instagram or whatever he just ignores
00:41:51.440 them or doesn't follow them if the account was created after they're not real yeah because he
00:41:56.360 as soon as you're not real yeah he i've heard him say things like if you see a hot chick online
00:42:01.100 she is not well that might re-normalize actually actually this could be a good thing because one 0.86
00:42:07.580 of the problems with the internet is it's really effed up ideas of what a normal body looks like
00:42:11.400 and so you will have people online and the predominant like oh she's a whatever like a 1.00
00:42:18.040 six or like a say you know i see guys online constantly say this about women who are objectively
00:42:22.380 nines or tens in the real world, because what they are is judging her against all the other
00:42:28.660 women in their feed and not against all of the women at a Walmart or an airport, right? Like 0.98
00:42:33.040 actual human women. And they, they don't understand that they are making dramatic 0.98
00:42:39.080 misjudgments, which are going to lead to them being, you know, single forever and cucked and,
00:42:43.280 and die a genetic failure. But that's what happens when you go out there and you think
00:42:48.980 that you are showing other guys by having these ridiculous standards for women online and you
00:42:54.740 think that you're signaling to them that you're i don't know getting was like super hot women or
00:42:59.100 something like that and that the women there was like aren't that great what you really signal to 1.00
00:43:03.480 them is they're like wow that guy is genetically cucked because somebody with those standards
00:43:07.380 certainly isn't getting married and having many kids and i say not having many kids because it
00:43:11.300 means that you're going to have to compromise so much to get a woman within your attractiveness 0.97
00:43:15.100 barrier that she's likely not going to be able to want to put in the work ethic you know she's not 0.96
00:43:19.520 going to make the other compromises for you to to have tons of kids because you know having a large
00:43:23.880 family it's a lot of work so wait where was i going with this but if in a world where every
00:43:29.020 young person is assuming that every girl they see online is fake they just don't
00:43:34.940 key to those people at all like it removes the power of the hot influencer 0.79
00:43:39.120 and you know because when everyone's hot no one's hot right and when everyone's super
00:43:45.340 no one will be
00:43:50.120 like when you remove that power from the hot influencer maybe people don't key to it in the
00:43:59.260 same way don't you also think though that we're gonna reach a point at which most kids
00:44:06.360 just don't see the internet as real i mean we certainly grew up at a time when we interacted
00:44:12.400 with people online we knew they were real and i think one a lot of parents are just keeping their
00:44:17.400 kids offline period and you and i have only become more conservative with our kids internet access
00:44:23.900 over time more restrictive you know at first we were like yeah whatever like go on youtube find
00:44:29.020 something you like now we're like absolutely not because we've seen what the algo does and the kind
00:44:36.320 of stuff that it, that kids watch and just the brain rot of it all.
00:44:42.080 I think most kids probably aren't really going to grow up that online aside from
00:44:47.740 really constrained, you know, games and learning software and maybe, maybe what
00:44:56.260 we're going to see in the future is actually very little internet consumption.
00:45:00.620 In a very alive with AI world, right?
00:45:05.220 Like kids will be both extremely online and not.
00:45:08.080 They'll be surrounded by smart devices.
00:45:10.660 They can ask a question of anything in their house.
00:45:13.320 They're being monitored by everything in their house, right?
00:45:16.480 Like the internet is everywhere, but also they're not like going on some computer and
00:45:21.000 interacting with people.
00:45:22.300 Their interactions are with real people in the real world, like through friend groups
00:45:27.720 or school or clubs or sports I don't know I I actually don't think kids are gonna really
00:45:35.440 I'm maybe through games I don't know I just things are becoming so absurd to me I feel like there
00:45:43.620 might one reaction might just be let's just form Luddite communities and there will be I mean I
00:45:51.840 we've seen plenty of parenting communities that are very like anti-tech or maybe there will be
00:45:56.660 some sudden loss of data or people will, will try to create a fake sudden loss of data to like
00:46:02.540 make things make sense. Sand Bunce in his article wrote, poets have sometimes fantasized about total
00:46:08.540 cultural destruction, something like the burning of the library of Alexandria to escape the sense
00:46:13.660 that everything has already been done, has already been written. I wouldn't go that far since
00:46:18.140 everything I love is part of the past. Maybe some brave artists can find a route back to
00:46:22.180 the original magnet a route that would presumably lie through the great works of the past
00:46:26.880 since the past is where we all start to feel magnetism acting on us in any case something
00:46:32.540 needs to give the links of the chain need to reconnect i disagree i think that we are entering
00:46:39.840 a new cultural world and we see things bubbling out of it that are cooler than stuff like the
00:46:46.340 scp foundation is so cool that is really cool well and but there's a chain there there's a chain
00:46:52.160 they've they've built the structure that lacks well there there have been cultural phenomenon
00:46:59.000 and moments that have happened during this period of history but we forget them because they appear
00:47:04.140 so different from the ones historically i mean look there was a generation that might have grown
00:47:08.160 up without goths or something but they grew up with pokemon go now pokemon go you might not
00:47:13.620 consider a traditional subculture but when pokemon go was huge that was one bigger than most major
00:47:19.640 subcultures ever were and two really really cool like you could go anywhere in your city and there
00:47:26.780 were just people waiting to talk and interact with you and play a stupid ar game um and the 0.53
00:47:33.900 sense of community that people felt during that time was so weird like you remember that right 0.97
00:47:41.060 yeah that was wild to just go out in deep ellum in dallas and wander around the streets and like
00:47:48.560 absolutely everyone was on pokemon go yeah and all like me all playing the same game at the same time
00:47:55.240 with people felt so bizarre that level of social cohesion have we ever seen something like that
00:48:05.080 before i mean not even at protests you know like protests are weird and that it's just like people
00:48:10.440 kind of hanging out with their own little social group within it you know everyone has their little
00:48:14.820 sign and you're walking it's actually i've never have i ever been to like a protest protest i don't
00:48:20.660 think i have but you worked in dc you kind of just go to protests because like something to do you
00:48:25.960 know it's it's what i would do with my friends when you were in dc oh my god all the time like
00:48:30.960 what do you want to do this weekend i don't know well there's this protest happening like you don't
00:48:34.740 want to go sure was this your roommate who was dragging you to these who was dragging you to
00:48:38.120 protest random friends i mean remember i was an environmentalist so there's always something to
00:48:43.220 protest when you're an environmentalist malcolm no you actually went to environmentalist protests
00:48:49.100 yeah but like here's the thing about environmentalist protests you show up people
00:48:53.880 have their signs and stuff and i don't know i would just take pictures walk around talk with
00:48:59.200 your friends get ice cream at the end like you're not it's not like this social cohesion thing i
00:49:05.700 think most people go to protests because there are no more third spaces anymore it's too expensive
00:49:12.400 to hang out at a coffee shop like what are you gonna do to like i don't know feel a part of
00:49:19.620 something well there's this protest going on i think that's why a lot of boomers are showing up
00:49:24.800 at protests they're like lonely you know people think that they're like deranged and angry and
00:49:29.220 they're more just like no i think they are deranged and angry okay there's that too but also
00:49:34.900 third spaces are dead and you know you can't just hang out in a library and meet people
00:49:39.480 it's that's full of the the homeless schizophrenic people now so you can't go there 1.00
00:49:43.300 so instead you have to you know protests are very bougie you have to protest for us to not
00:49:47.500 kick out the homeless schizophrenic people from the library yeah there we go you can't you can't 1.00
00:49:51.180 meet at the library anymore but you can meet at the protest defending their right to take that 0.99
00:49:54.560 space from you yeah exactly that that's where all the non well i mean the schizophrenic people 0.99
00:50:00.280 also show up there too but anyway interesting concept i'd love to hear our fan sauce on this
00:50:06.020 i do not have ironed outsource on this so i don't have some like big position to defend on this
00:50:10.780 point so yeah whatever you guys think let's let's is our new cultures dead or did they just change
00:50:17.240 what they look like so much that we don't recognize them yeah yeah and and also at least
00:50:26.120 have a slightly clearer picture here is that culture will advance in sort of walled off
00:50:34.040 communities where people are still experiencing things in linear time that are constrained enough
00:50:40.060 in their like fandom or format like vtubers you can see cultural evolution youtube news
00:50:48.160 commentators you can see cultural evolution anime oh my gosh i just a great example of another
00:50:53.760 cultural movement that happened recently which is a good example i think it fits a lot of your
00:50:57.780 criteria is there was this for a period very popular type of youtube video that combined
00:51:06.540 tours of dead malls with synthwave and yes retro hey everyone this is dan bell and this
00:51:15.960 is my video tour of the harrisburg mall located in harrisburg pennsylvania
00:51:20.640 I knew it was true.
00:51:50.640 Do you hear that?
00:51:57.120 Something's in here.
00:52:20.640 nothing says welcome to the dead mall like an old loud soda machine
00:52:35.480 clinking and clanking away day and night
00:52:41.560 happy halloween everyone here's just watching another one of them i was watching a hobby lobby
00:52:48.300 tour of that genre just yesterday yes great genre i love it it's called like dead malls or something
00:52:53.920 like look up dead yeah this one in particular was called like i don't know like retail anthropology
00:53:00.840 but yeah it's all the same genre totally but that that as an artistic movement was certainly
00:53:05.920 i think one a rich artistic movement a unique artistic movement and a distinct and temporally
00:53:13.700 distinct artistic movement i don't think they're as popular anymore i mean there is a period where
00:53:16.860 I watched them. No, I just, again, I just watched a Hobby Lobby one yesterday and I think it was
00:53:20.820 published recently. Yeah. I mean, like people are still doing it because I think, I mean,
00:53:28.280 as retail falls apart, people are becoming fascinated with this like short-lived experience
00:53:33.520 of buying things from stores before everything goes back to what it was, which is so interesting
00:53:39.100 to me. Cause you know, the original format was you would show up to like the store and then you
00:53:44.720 would ask the person to get whatever you wanted, like a pound of flour, and they'd go back into
00:53:48.780 the stockroom and get it. And now we're essentially going back to that, except it's like on Amazon,
00:53:53.340 we're saying, or on like DoorDash or Uber Eats, we're saying, oh, stock boy, please get me this.
00:53:58.440 And then they retrieved the thing for us. It's just the means of retrieval is slightly different
00:54:02.580 due to changing infrastructure and communities, right? But we're just going back to what it was.
00:54:10.620 We're going back to the natural, sustainable format, because stores in the end are not.
00:54:16.560 They made sense for a very specific period of infrastructural development, but it is ultimately so much more efficient to strategically deliver your goods from an organized, automated warehouse to the final destination where you know it has already been purchased and sold.
00:54:38.820 right like holding something in stock in a store where you're not sure it's going to be sold
00:54:43.000 is very inefficient yeah so i do like that return and so of course you're going to see this genre
00:54:49.780 arise as people are like oh isn't it crazy that this thing existed and let's explore it because
00:54:55.740 it's gone now well it's also really trying to grab like the concept of liminal spaces which
00:55:00.580 has become big in art yeah yeah yeah like the creepy the creepy art of oh a great one is the
00:55:06.500 what is this big artistic movement another one it's sort of related to scp stuff but the the
00:55:11.940 i forget what it's called it's called like the in between or the underground or something
00:55:15.460 and it's about where like you get trapped in like an endless empty office space yeah yeah
00:55:21.860 found a place
00:55:25.160 it's massive in there it just goes on and on and on
00:55:31.540 all these rooms this place builds them actually more like it remembers them
00:55:42.320 and the more times it remembers something the less it does yeah
00:55:49.360 yeah that's totally a thing okay no no actually i i do i came into this being like this is really
00:55:58.300 stuck in my head and I'm not sure what to make of it and I'm like what's the point of anything
00:56:02.720 I mean because we're passionate about culture crafting right but what this is it's about
00:56:07.140 if you want to craft culture you need to find a stairway right where you can step on the stairs
00:56:15.140 and get traction and push from something beneath you well what's you can't craft culture in the
00:56:19.620 ball pit you can't craft culture in the avalanche and that is something you really have to keep in
00:56:24.140 mind but what's positive about this simone is that while you still have unique and interesting
00:56:31.000 cultures whether it's you know the scp or dead mall or whatever bronies whatever these cultures
00:56:36.400 are not as caustic to your culture as they are so if you create a family culture in a family way of
00:56:44.220 dressing in a family way of thinking and believing in morality your core enemy is just the urban 0.77
00:56:48.440 monoculture right you don't need to worry about your kids peeling out over a subculture because
00:56:55.280 things like the minecraft culture the scp culture they don't demand that you renounce your traditional
00:57:02.260 way of dress and your faith and everything like that right so they're in many ways much more
00:57:06.460 compatible with culture crafting than yeah it makes a family culture more appealing and attractive
00:57:13.740 because kind of like a swaddled baby like it's a swaddle you you know where the walls are you know
00:57:20.120 what you know what reality is you know what the values are and the aesthetics are whereas when
00:57:24.560 when you're released from the swaddle like I don't know if people have like seen like babies
00:57:28.480 when they're like sometimes they have this like moment of like terror with like their arms and
00:57:32.260 legs out and they're like oh my god like what is this like like they start to hyperventilate a
00:57:37.280 little bit oh it's five oh okay okay we gotta run but like yeah like they provide this meaning
00:57:42.900 and sense of place where otherwise people feel like they're falling weightless through air
00:57:48.640 question Simone question what are you making for the kids tonight macaroni and cheese by any chance
00:57:52.420 no I made the macaroni and cheese last night they barely ate it I'm probably just going to
00:57:57.440 make them sandwiches if they'll like eat and run around if do you want mac and cheese over
00:58:00.700 grilled cheese if I'm if that is no what I'd actually like it what if you do a quesadilla
00:58:05.380 for me use some I don't have any tortilla left oh then a mac and cheese or is mac and cheese easier
00:58:11.740 grilled cheese would be the easiest grilled cheese make me a grilled cheese then two because
00:58:17.500 they're you know yeah and we can save one if we don't eat it you know i'll just bring it up to
00:58:22.000 your room like do what you you know it's grilled cheese it's not like i'm gonna use american cheese
00:58:27.640 and bread that you bought from a store i mean i made i made sourdough homemade bread today but 0.83
00:58:34.600 of course you're not gonna no it tastes disgusting and healthy
00:58:37.740 it's really quite good bread but yeah it's just very it's it's very hearty it's too dense like
00:58:46.300 any like i gave octavian a peanut butter sandwich today and he like immediately was like i need
00:58:50.880 another one whereas when i give him a peanut butter sandwich from the bread we make at home
00:58:54.580 they eat one and they're like okay good like i'm good because it's like
00:58:57.960 gives you something anyway i gotta run get the kids i love you i'll bring a sandwich to your
00:59:02.720 room and if we have a productive evening i hope so too i'm gonna i'm gonna get this coating
00:59:07.480 working really well agent coding is what i'm working on right now yeah good all right love
00:59:12.300 you love you too for dinner how about curry because you have all these shishito peppers
00:59:16.300 that we need to go through and they're not gonna go through themselves
00:59:20.900 so would you like curry i'm sorry to say this but i just want something really light tonight
00:59:28.100 like a grilled cheese or something okay i can make a grilled cheese no problem
00:59:33.880 good okay grilled cheese man would you like me to bring it to your room because i know you're
00:59:46.420 really trying to sprint on things and yeah yeah i am going to be sprinting on code
00:59:50.320 okay then i'll bring it to your room and okay cool
00:59:54.080 okay what are you doing you're telling scary stories yeah and then and and then when i said
01:00:04.160 before was once upon a time that i picked up a car and slammed it on the ground his car
01:00:12.200 like a big car yeah like this car wouldn't that have been too heavy
01:00:17.800 i was just i was thinking it like this
01:00:24.440 is dad super strong is that how i did it yeah once upon a time a ghost slammed dad in the head
01:00:34.940 why is that your idea of a scary story once upon a time a ghost slammed dad at his house
01:00:47.320 laws and everything.