Based Camp - Why Did Large Breasted Protagonists Disappear from Media？

00:00:00.000 They say anything that arouses males is bad.

00:00:03.080 Female dimorphism arouses males. 0.64

00:00:05.680 Let's take that away from them.

00:00:08.640 Oh.

00:00:09.680 Right?

00:00:10.020 Let's take away these big-breasted characters. 1.00

00:00:12.640 Let's take away these voluptuous characters. 1.00

00:00:15.340 But we still want lots of strong female leads. 1.00

00:00:17.940 Now, what happens if you take those things away?

00:00:20.220 What do those leads look like?

00:00:21.320 They look like one of two things.

00:00:23.480 They either look like men or they look like underage women. 0.98

00:00:26.660 But because those are the two groups in our society that have no breath.

00:00:33.200 Okay?

00:00:33.920 Those are the two groups that have this overall masculine archetype.

00:00:37.860 So in moving away from this more gender dimorphic archetype,

00:00:43.280 they, you know, I think in a way are promoting underage sexual attraction 0.99

00:00:49.940 or the elevation of underage characters into sexual positions,

00:00:53.940 which, you know, I regularly see, especially in Western animated shows,

00:00:59.260 and the removal and the erasure of women, 0.99

00:01:04.860 or at least women that most young girls can identify with,

00:01:08.180 body type-wise, from positions of power.

00:01:12.420 Would you like to know more?

00:01:14.340 Hello, Simone. 0.69

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00:01:35.880 All the leading ladies in contemporary fiction video storytelling 0.94

00:01:38.880 have small breasts. 0.73

00:01:40.680 What is this about? 0.78

00:01:41.940 It seems like larger breasts have been assigned 0.99

00:01:44.060 to less intelligent, bimbo-type female characters. 0.99

00:01:47.180 This is very deliberate

00:01:48.840 and has been an editorial casting choice for decades.

00:01:51.480 You have to go back to Raquel Welch or Sophia Loren

00:01:55.960 to bring back that statuesque, big-breasted woman of Classic Simina. 1.00

00:02:00.540 This is really, really fascinating for me

00:02:03.440 because it's definitely something I've seen

00:02:04.780 and know that I consume primarily animated content, right?

00:02:08.360 Yeah, I mean animated, like anime,

00:02:10.280 specifically Japanese anime,

00:02:11.940 since, I don't know, like 2015,

00:02:13.940 has really seen a spike in what is called fan service,

00:02:17.660 which is really like...

00:02:18.220 I'm not talking about that.

00:02:19.300 I'm talking about Western animated content as well.

00:02:21.120 Oh, oh, oh.

00:02:21.700 And in Western animated content,

00:02:23.220 there's been a growth in women in leading roles,

00:02:27.940 but also in small breasts.

00:02:30.360 You know, of intelligence.

00:02:31.720 Hold on.

00:02:32.120 Actually, before we go larger, further,

00:02:34.480 I got to take a gripe that I have with Western animation.

00:02:38.380 Okay.

00:02:38.660 So, there's a lot of people out there

00:02:41.600 who complain that Western animation is, like, getting too gay, right? 0.69

00:02:46.780 And it does have a lot of gay stuff going on in it. 0.77

00:02:48.740 I'll agree with that.

00:02:49.920 And yes, that could be seen as a form of indoctrination.

00:02:53.000 That is not my complaint.

00:02:54.980 My complaint is I want to take the lesbian community aside for a second 1.00

00:02:58.120 and be like, okay, I see you guys are getting a lot of representation now

00:03:01.460 in Western animated things.

00:03:04.480 But in most of these arcs,

00:03:07.340 one character starts trying to kill the other character,

00:03:10.320 and then they fall in love.

00:03:13.060 You know, you can see this in She-Ra,

00:03:14.960 the most recent She-Ra was the Catra-She-Ra love arc.

00:03:18.740 They're definitely trying to kill each other at one point.

00:03:20.800 You can see this in the Owl House.

00:03:22.160 By the way, I really enjoyed that show.

00:03:24.420 You see this...

00:03:25.300 Oh, or metaphors for unconsensual sex are depicted,

00:03:29.640 as we're seeing in Steven Universe.

00:03:31.620 What's going on here?

00:03:32.620 Is this normal?

00:03:33.960 Are you guys, like, trying to kill each other out there?

00:03:36.100 This was not a trope in heterosexual animated media,

00:03:39.920 but it appears to be just, like,

00:03:41.260 a very big trope in lesbian animated media. 1.00

00:03:43.940 But okay, back to the main question,

00:03:46.120 which is why are they painting small breasts

00:03:49.860 as a sign of competence and strength?

00:03:53.660 What are your thoughts?

00:03:54.480 I want to hear yours first.

00:03:55.540 I've got my own thoughts on this.

00:03:57.220 Yeah, so part of me thinks it's, like,

00:04:00.520 a sort of post-gender world 0.96

00:04:04.560 that we're living in in mainstream media.

00:04:07.120 So, like, the more androgynous characters look,

00:04:09.720 the better.

00:04:10.700 And maybe it's also that, like,

00:04:13.000 people just find it easier to relate,

00:04:16.720 especially kids and child audiences,

00:04:18.860 find it easier to relate to someone

00:04:19.960 who just looks like a child,

00:04:21.040 and children just look more androgynous 0.80

00:04:22.640 and therefore have, like, flat chests

00:04:25.220 or at least smaller chests.

00:04:27.020 So I feel like that must be what's going on,

00:04:30.260 that androgyny is seen as more just of a cultural norm,

00:04:34.020 and we're kind of just in a...

00:04:35.400 It's so confused about gender society

00:04:36.940 that making someone look super gender dimorphic

00:04:39.320 is too stressful to handle,

00:04:42.480 too full of baggage.

00:04:44.080 So let's just make people look neutral.

00:04:46.280 And I find myself often just really not being sure

00:04:48.960 what gender people are anymore,

00:04:50.580 in especially animated media.

00:04:52.260 So, especially Western animated media, I should say.

00:04:54.840 I don't think that's what's happening.

00:04:56.000 Really? So what's your theory?

00:04:57.640 So I think it's a confluence of things

00:04:59.560 which has led to something that's actually really sexist.

00:05:01.700 So I'm going to try my hardest not to be straw man.

00:05:03.260 So if I was going to straw man,

00:05:04.720 what I would say is the left actually 0.67

00:05:06.760 have a pathological hatred of women, 0.99

00:05:08.460 and so they refuse to associate gender dimorphic traits

00:05:12.500 with any positive characteristic,

00:05:15.180 whether it's intelligence or anything else.

00:05:17.380 I mean, look at this.

00:05:18.480 If you look at the recent explosion of transitions,

00:05:22.480 it's been an explosion of transitions,

00:05:24.020 which never happened before.

00:05:25.320 We're talking about it was in trans people,

00:05:27.100 of women to men.

00:05:28.400 It used to be predominantly male to female.

00:05:31.440 Now it's predominantly female to male

00:05:33.760 and predominantly young.

00:05:35.820 Well, I guess you call them men.

00:05:36.760 So, you know, young men who are transitioning,

00:05:39.800 so females transitioning to males. 0.96

00:05:41.900 What could be seen as a cause of this?

00:05:43.620 If we as a culture are acting as if femininity

00:05:48.120 and being womanly is this wholly negative thing 0.74

00:05:52.840 and this wholly disgusting thing, 0.99

00:05:54.780 of course these young girls hate themselves. 0.92

00:05:57.220 You know, of course they feel this way,

00:05:59.120 which is something that we didn't have in the past.

00:06:01.160 You know, you had women who were excelling at being women 0.89

00:06:03.220 and men who were excelling at being men,

00:06:04.780 and we were able to glorify both archetypes

00:06:08.220 where now we need to, you know,

00:06:10.020 glorify men excelling at being men

00:06:11.760 and women excelling at being men.

00:06:13.840 Which of course leads to these women feeling like 1.00

00:06:16.000 it's not actually women being celebrated.

00:06:18.360 But I'm not actually going to take that route.

00:06:20.880 I am going to say that that is a showman in this case

00:06:23.200 and I think something else is happening.

00:06:24.480 I think that the left began to associate anything

00:06:30.500 that elevates male sexuality or male sexual expression

00:06:35.620 with the enemy, with something that's wrong.

00:06:41.980 So coming out of the feminist movement to an extent almost,

00:06:44.980 they began to say, okay, like you've got to keep in mind,

00:06:49.600 you may have sophisticated ideas, 0.99

00:06:51.440 but the dumbest tropes end up trickling down 0.99

00:06:55.380 and permeating the ideology. 1.00

00:06:57.460 And male sexuality, bad. 0.60

00:06:59.160 Anything that arouses males, bad.

00:07:01.460 And this is something we've seen online.

00:07:02.540 We've done other videos about this.

00:07:03.980 You know, we were recently,

00:07:04.840 today I had a call with a conservative following.

00:07:07.160 You know, why do you do so much like sexual stuff?

00:07:09.840 These must be videos that are losing you followers

00:07:11.800 and they get you like the least likes.

00:07:13.340 And we're like, actually,

00:07:14.040 there are most watched videos often, right?

00:07:16.460 And the reason is,

00:07:17.660 is because the left has completely seeded male sexuality 0.99

00:07:20.800 as a ground.

00:07:22.140 And starting with the manosphere,

00:07:24.100 the right has been gobbling that up

00:07:26.100 because it's very easy ground to take

00:07:28.580 because it's just a natural part of it.

00:07:29.980 And many men feel hated because of this.

00:07:31.820 But anyway, so they say anything that arouses males is bad.

00:07:35.780 Female dimorphism arouses males. 0.64

00:07:38.360 Let's take that away from them.

00:07:41.240 Oh.

00:07:42.380 Right?

00:07:42.720 Let's take away these big breasted characters. 1.00

00:07:44.780 Let's take away these voluptuous characters. 1.00

00:07:48.200 And in doing that, they're like,

00:07:50.280 oh, but we still want lots of strong female leads. 1.00

00:07:52.880 So let's make these leads look.

00:07:55.060 Now, what happens if you take those things away?

00:07:57.260 What do those leads look like?

00:07:58.380 They look like one of two things.

00:08:00.520 They either look like men 0.99

00:08:01.880 or they look like underage women. 1.00

00:08:04.560 Because those are the two groups in our society

00:08:08.180 that have no breath, okay?

00:08:10.940 Those are the two groups 0.81

00:08:12.300 that have this overall masculine archetype.

00:08:14.780 So in moving away

00:08:16.500 from this more gender dimorphic archetype,

00:08:20.300 they, you know,

00:08:22.360 I think in a way are promoting

00:08:24.600 underage sexual attraction

00:08:26.980 or the elevation of underage characters

00:08:29.220 into sexual positions, 0.83

00:08:30.980 which, you know,

00:08:32.420 I regularly see,

00:08:34.560 especially in Western animated shows.

00:08:36.060 And the removal and the erasure

00:08:41.120 of women,

00:08:43.200 or at least women 0.57

00:08:45.500 that most young girls can identify with,

00:08:47.940 body type wise,

00:08:49.240 from positions of power.

00:08:51.780 Yeah, that's really interesting.

00:08:54.080 Because when I'm thinking about this,

00:08:56.600 like, shift in breast size and media, 1.00

00:09:00.500 like, it makes me think of a book,

00:09:02.360 actually, that I read well before I met you

00:09:03.980 called A History of the Breast

00:09:05.900 by Marilyn Yalom and Alfred Knopf.

00:09:08.800 And it's this really interesting discussion

00:09:11.940 of how women's breasts were politicized

00:09:15.360 and made into all sorts of different,

00:09:16.860 like, types of objects.

00:09:18.680 Like, they argue that around the Renaissance,

00:09:20.860 the breast went from, you know,

00:09:22.140 kind of being a fairly neutral thing

00:09:23.960 or, you know,

00:09:24.520 kind of being seen as elevated.

00:09:26.360 You know, like,

00:09:27.040 there were paintings of the Madonna

00:09:28.780 with a breast out 1.00

00:09:29.640 to feed the baby Jesus.

00:09:31.020 You know, it was, like,

00:09:31.460 kind of a sacred object

00:09:32.580 to something that was specific

00:09:34.400 or specifically around to, like,

00:09:36.020 excite and titillate men.

00:09:37.360 And that's when you start seeing

00:09:41.580 more use of wet nurses, for example,

00:09:43.780 because there's this big interest

00:09:45.520 in preserving nice, you know, 0.96

00:09:48.200 bolted-on tits that, you know, 1.00

00:09:50.040 don't get saggy after a lot of use 0.98

00:09:52.100 or whatever.

00:09:53.120 And it is interesting.

00:09:54.240 So I'm thinking about it

00:09:54.980 from that perspective.

00:09:55.680 I'm like, okay, well,

00:09:57.000 what does this mean

00:09:57.920 about how the breast

00:09:58.680 is being politicized now?

00:10:00.120 And who's the last character

00:10:01.480 I can remember

00:10:02.280 who was, like, aspirational

00:10:03.600 to both, like, men and women?

00:10:05.000 I guess Laura Croft,

00:10:06.040 who had actually

00:10:07.460 a decent-sized cup size.

00:10:10.720 But keep in mind,

00:10:11.640 she was created

00:10:12.260 a really long time ago

00:10:13.580 and became king of this

00:10:14.420 before she was put in.

00:10:15.400 I want to see

00:10:16.000 the recent Laura Croft.

00:10:19.040 Oh, yeah.

00:10:19.740 What does she look like? 0.94

00:10:21.440 No.

00:10:23.540 What have you done?

00:10:25.100 She's sweaty.

00:10:26.500 They remade her to look like a guy. 1.00

00:10:29.480 She, yeah,

00:10:30.660 she's a guy 1.00

00:10:31.200 with a nice long ponytail.

00:10:33.320 And the short shorts are gone.

00:10:35.040 The short shorts are gone.

00:10:36.040 Yeah, so is this, then,

00:10:38.900 about less fan service?

00:10:41.240 Like, less, yeah,

00:10:42.140 like, less sexual?

00:10:42.900 Yeah, I guess it could be, like,

00:10:44.120 let's stop pandering to men.

00:10:46.320 That's a bad thing.

00:10:47.720 Yeah, so it's misogyny

00:10:49.380 that ends up being misandry, right?

00:10:51.420 Because now, like, women sort of- 0.98

00:10:52.640 Yeah, they were trying to hurt men.

00:10:54.420 They took a-

00:10:55.180 It's like they took out their guns

00:10:56.740 in a metallic room

00:10:58.260 and they started shooting at men

00:10:59.340 and the bullets started

00:10:59.980 ricocheting and hitting them.

00:11:01.540 Well, yeah, 0.94

00:11:01.940 because now all the busty teenage girls 0.99

00:11:03.740 who are deeply uncomfortable

00:11:04.900 in their bodies,

00:11:05.920 who want to see someone

00:11:07.060 who looks like them,

00:11:08.140 they're not going to find anyone.

00:11:09.700 They're not going to-

00:11:10.360 No, no, no one in a position

00:11:11.500 they have no one to turn to.

00:11:12.860 They are told that they are-

00:11:15.180 They're-

00:11:16.180 This very change

00:11:17.460 that they're going through

00:11:18.200 and one of the hardest parts

00:11:19.260 of their life

00:11:19.820 is a sign

00:11:21.340 of their inadequacy,

00:11:23.620 unintelligence

00:11:24.620 and undesirability.

00:11:27.060 Yeah.

00:11:27.320 Oh my God.

00:11:28.040 Can you imagine

00:11:28.840 anything worse than that?

00:11:30.680 Can you imagine

00:11:31.440 what these young girls 0.98

00:11:32.260 are going through?

00:11:33.260 And these people do not care

00:11:35.460 because they are so obsessed

00:11:36.600 with social signaling.

00:11:38.000 They don't think about

00:11:39.320 the actual damage they're doing

00:11:40.880 and you bring them statistics

00:11:42.800 like all of these,

00:11:44.420 you know,

00:11:45.580 young girls or young men,

00:11:46.840 whichever way you want to put it,

00:11:47.680 transitioning

00:11:48.160 that has never happened before.

00:11:49.980 And they're like,

00:11:50.460 well, this is good.

00:11:51.200 There are more people.

00:11:51.960 Well, why would so many more women 1.00

00:11:54.200 want to transition than men? 0.76

00:11:55.880 I mean, presumably either

00:11:57.700 there was like a set number

00:12:00.500 of people who would have

00:12:01.660 transitioned historically, right?

00:12:03.820 And that was represented

00:12:05.580 by the historic figures

00:12:06.960 that more men transitioned, right?

00:12:09.300 Or, okay, so consider this

00:12:11.280 from a progressive

00:12:11.860 ideological perspective, right?

00:12:13.180 Okay.

00:12:13.640 Suppose people were transitioning 0.93

00:12:14.680 for like a bad reason.

00:12:16.340 Like they didn't really

00:12:17.140 want to transition,

00:12:18.060 but they were doing it

00:12:18.580 for some sort of social gain

00:12:19.760 or something.

00:12:20.900 So historically,

00:12:21.960 that would have happened

00:12:23.640 with women transitioning

00:12:24.820 to men

00:12:25.340 because by progressive ideology,

00:12:27.700 men have a better life

00:12:28.880 than women, right? 1.00

00:12:30.100 So all things aside,

00:12:32.420 in a historical context,

00:12:34.700 you should have seen

00:12:35.980 if it is true

00:12:38.220 that historically men

00:12:39.580 had it much better than women 1.00

00:12:40.620 and that has been declining

00:12:41.880 over time, okay,

00:12:43.760 historically men transitioning

00:12:45.820 to women

00:12:46.480 who weren't actually trans,

00:12:48.200 right?

00:12:48.460 Like when transness 1.00

00:12:50.060 became more accepted,

00:12:51.800 what you in fact

00:12:52.660 should have seen

00:12:53.580 is more men transitioning

00:12:55.420 to women.

00:12:56.520 And yet the exact opposite

00:12:58.120 was true.

00:12:59.220 So either transness 0.99

00:13:01.120 is just a stable thing

00:13:02.240 in most genders.

00:13:03.140 It's just like,

00:13:03.700 there should be

00:13:04.180 exactly equal numbers

00:13:05.360 and then you could say,

00:13:06.300 okay, but then

00:13:06.940 why did it explode here?

00:13:08.820 Or transness is something 0.78

00:13:10.680 which I believe,

00:13:12.220 which is a biological thing,

00:13:13.840 but that it appears

00:13:14.660 much more commonly

00:13:15.880 and people more male

00:13:17.040 than female. 0.97

00:13:17.940 And what we're seeing here

00:13:19.440 is a society

00:13:21.280 that has,

00:13:23.220 well, really

00:13:23.780 dehumanized femininity 0.85

00:13:26.000 in an attempt

00:13:27.440 to remove

00:13:29.020 the sort of

00:13:29.680 arousing content

00:13:30.860 from it.

00:13:33.100 Yeah.

00:13:33.820 Wow.

00:13:35.040 That's,

00:13:35.640 that's really interesting.

00:13:36.800 I mean,

00:13:37.660 so you don't think,

00:13:40.220 you don't think

00:13:40.920 that it's,

00:13:41.300 it's going after

00:13:42.360 young kids

00:13:43.700 and just trying

00:13:44.160 to show younger,

00:13:45.600 younger looking characters.

00:13:48.000 No,

00:13:48.560 that can't be.

00:13:49.180 Not for Laura Croft.

00:13:50.300 Yeah, that's right.

00:13:50.860 This is for adult,

00:13:52.020 adult women as well.

00:13:54.380 This was actually something

00:13:55.040 when the She-Ra character

00:13:55.980 was done

00:13:56.600 and they were like,

00:13:57.420 aha,

00:13:58.080 now we've created

00:13:59.000 a character 0.99

00:13:59.460 that men can't masturbate to 0.99

00:14:00.960 because they thought 0.99

00:14:01.480 that they were all masturbating. 0.88

00:14:02.660 This was actually things 0.96

00:14:04.200 that people were saying.

00:14:05.280 That people are saying online.

00:14:06.620 When they created characters

00:14:07.760 and then of course

00:14:08.820 they appear on,

00:14:09.620 you know,

00:14:09.980 the,

00:14:10.180 the,

00:14:10.560 the Hentai sites

00:14:11.740 and stuff like that

00:14:12.360 and they're like,

00:14:12.680 oh no,

00:14:13.760 this character

00:14:14.300 looks underage

00:14:15.040 and it's like,

00:14:15.320 you did this!

00:14:16.480 You did this!

00:14:18.060 Here is a,

00:14:20.040 an alternate theory,

00:14:21.040 okay?

00:14:21.420 So when you look

00:14:22.000 at dress silhouettes

00:14:23.120 throughout history,

00:14:24.140 you will see transitions

00:14:25.720 from busty

00:14:27.260 to non-busty

00:14:28.200 where,

00:14:28.700 you know,

00:14:29.220 in the,

00:14:30.040 the late 1700s

00:14:32.120 you've got,

00:14:32.760 you know,

00:14:32.980 these very tight corsets

00:14:34.260 and these giant,

00:14:35.140 you know,

00:14:35.500 flaring hips 0.98

00:14:36.120 and these,

00:14:36.740 you know, 0.97

00:14:36.980 boobs sticking out 0.99

00:14:37.740 of these,

00:14:38.140 you know,

00:14:38.780 corsets and whatnot

00:14:39.420 in many cases

00:14:40.260 and then you're ending up

00:14:41.540 with the,

00:14:42.900 the,

00:14:43.820 like,

00:14:44.160 straight column

00:14:44.880 of an empire dress,

00:14:46.420 you know,

00:14:46.600 just like,

00:14:47.220 very,

00:14:47.760 you know,

00:14:48.240 straight silhouette,

00:14:49.260 they're like,

00:14:49.780 literally,

00:14:50.300 or styled like a Roman column

00:14:51.780 and I mean,

00:14:53.100 certainly sometimes

00:14:53.980 there were little bits

00:14:55.680 of cleavage showing up

00:14:56.640 but definitely it was like a,

00:14:57.600 the flattened chest look

00:14:59.280 and then you end up

00:15:00.240 back into like,

00:15:01.160 the Victorian period

00:15:02.340 where again,

00:15:02.880 you've got these,

00:15:04.220 like,

00:15:04.720 larger,

00:15:05.420 like,

00:15:05.820 waist to hip ratios

00:15:06.920 and larger busts

00:15:08.800 and then you go

00:15:09.300 back down again

00:15:10.320 so is this maybe

00:15:11.640 not just a normal

00:15:12.680 oscillation of body shape?

00:15:14.360 Again,

00:15:14.860 because we're going away

00:15:15.760 from,

00:15:16.700 you know,

00:15:16.860 women are not getting 1.00

00:15:18.380 BBLs,

00:15:19.060 for example,

00:15:19.420 these are Brazilian butt lifts,

00:15:20.760 like,

00:15:20.940 they're also getting

00:15:21.500 smaller butts as well,

00:15:23.020 you know,

00:15:23.200 the Kardashians are reducing 0.90

00:15:24.380 their butt size 0.62

00:15:25.440 so maybe that's what's going on 0.89

00:15:27.300 that we're,

00:15:28.280 if I think about

00:15:29.060 what the fashion YouTubers

00:15:30.380 that I like to watch

00:15:31.640 are saying,

00:15:32.240 we're moving away

00:15:33.100 from really curvy looks

00:15:34.280 and moving toward

00:15:35.040 what's called heroin chic

00:15:36.240 where you just look

00:15:36.960 more like a stick.

00:15:38.400 Heroin chic?

00:15:39.640 Yeah,

00:15:40.060 as in like,

00:15:40.640 you're addicted to heroin

00:15:41.540 and you don't eat food anymore.

00:15:43.640 Or you could see it

00:15:44.380 as being more like

00:15:45.060 a heroin in modern comedy.

00:15:46.740 Oh,

00:15:46.920 no,

00:15:47.100 no,

00:15:47.220 no,

00:15:47.340 no,

00:15:47.460 no,

00:15:47.500 no,

00:15:47.580 I'm talking drug addiction.

00:15:48.680 I'm talking you look

00:15:49.340 unhealthily skinny.

00:15:50.740 But that's not

00:15:51.360 what we're moving towards.

00:15:52.240 If you look at the women 1.00

00:15:53.020 who are being elevated,

00:15:54.340 they do not look

00:15:55.260 unnaturally skinny.

00:15:56.280 They look muscular.

00:15:57.720 They look like someone 0.79

00:15:58.620 who has a lot of testosterone

00:15:59.940 in their system.

00:16:01.020 And that's not,

00:16:01.640 that's not current style.

00:16:02.620 Yeah,

00:16:02.760 so I guess

00:16:03.100 I can't argue

00:16:04.260 that we're,

00:16:04.840 we're just tracking

00:16:05.940 female silhouettes,

00:16:08.520 clothing and style trends

00:16:09.560 because they're not

00:16:10.240 actually tracking

00:16:11.100 female silhouettes

00:16:12.020 and style trends.

00:16:12.580 In fact,

00:16:13.060 what we have now

00:16:14.020 in fashion

00:16:14.440 is really a lot more

00:16:15.440 plus sized fashion.

00:16:16.880 And we have then

00:16:17.700 a lot of,

00:16:18.340 you know,

00:16:18.500 more,

00:16:18.640 more heroin chic,

00:16:19.480 like we're moving away 0.98

00:16:20.160 from big butts. 1.00

00:16:21.640 And I'd say 0.54

00:16:22.520 I haven't seen heroin chic

00:16:23.860 in terms of media.

00:16:24.960 Yeah,

00:16:25.380 like what we're,

00:16:26.180 yeah,

00:16:26.320 because what media

00:16:26.980 is representing

00:16:27.440 what you're saying here

00:16:28.060 is that we've got

00:16:28.580 like muscular,

00:16:30.300 it's testosterone,

00:16:31.220 normal sized women. 1.00

00:16:32.560 Yeah.

00:16:32.820 And that's not,

00:16:33.580 that's not a thing anywhere.

00:16:34.380 I mean,

00:16:34.900 there are some like

00:16:35.680 fitness,

00:16:36.540 fitness influencers

00:16:37.500 who are muscular.

00:16:38.080 there's only two things

00:16:39.240 and I point that again

00:16:40.240 and again

00:16:40.540 that lead to this body type.

00:16:41.840 It is being underage 0.99

00:16:43.020 or being a man.

00:16:45.100 This,

00:16:45.460 this,

00:16:45.800 this almost no waist

00:16:47.220 to hip ratio,

00:16:48.480 this very small breasts,

00:16:50.120 no, 0.94

00:16:50.380 this muscular frame,

00:16:51.840 that is either you are,

00:16:53.400 and underage women 1.00

00:16:54.040 do look like that,

00:16:54.920 you know?

00:16:55.720 So,

00:16:56.460 okay,

00:16:56.880 so outside of that,

00:16:58.680 here's another hypothesis.

00:17:00.000 this is a sign

00:17:02.460 of increasing

00:17:03.540 class divide

00:17:04.900 in our society.

00:17:06.240 I was wondering

00:17:06.640 if you were going to go there.

00:17:07.740 Yeah,

00:17:08.000 talk about what you found

00:17:08.880 in research.

00:17:09.280 So we've talked about this.

00:17:09.880 Yeah.

00:17:10.240 So when we did our big

00:17:11.300 sex survey,

00:17:12.200 the thing that really

00:17:13.100 shocked us

00:17:13.900 was the thing

00:17:14.400 that was most determinant

00:17:15.380 of a male's sexuality

00:17:17.340 and also a female sexuality, 1.00

00:17:18.520 but more important here

00:17:19.720 is a male's sexuality.

00:17:20.860 Actually,

00:17:21.560 female sexuality 0.99

00:17:22.300 might be just as important here,

00:17:23.780 but that

00:17:24.340 the wealthier

00:17:25.580 and more powerful

00:17:26.140 and individual felt,

00:17:27.960 the more,

00:17:28.840 so I always say

00:17:29.660 that with attraction

00:17:30.820 to women,

00:17:31.600 you're sort of pulled

00:17:32.240 between two extremes.

00:17:33.440 You are either optimizing

00:17:35.040 for absolutely assuring

00:17:36.540 that they're a woman,

00:17:37.360 so you're optimizing

00:17:37.920 for gender dimorphism, 0.90

00:17:39.080 large breasts,

00:17:40.260 everything like that, 0.98

00:17:41.260 or you're optimizing

00:17:42.360 for fertility window,

00:17:43.680 which means you're optimizing

00:17:44.400 for a younger woman, 0.89

00:17:45.860 small breasts, 0.63

00:17:47.100 you know,

00:17:47.560 small waist to hip ratio,

00:17:48.820 stuff like that.

00:17:49.760 So the wealthier a man was,

00:17:51.760 the more he seemed

00:17:52.640 to optimize

00:17:53.400 for fertility window

00:17:54.980 in our study,

00:17:55.680 to the extent

00:17:56.740 that there wasn't

00:17:57.540 a single guy

00:17:58.360 in the wealthiest category

00:17:59.180 of our study

00:17:59.720 who preferred anything

00:18:01.540 other than the smallest 0.70

00:18:02.460 category of breasts. 1.00

00:18:03.880 And that's really interesting.

00:18:06.100 And it was something,

00:18:06.780 like when you look

00:18:07.400 at the porous men 0.99

00:18:08.020 in our study,

00:18:08.540 just to get an idea

00:18:09.100 of how aberrant this was,

00:18:10.920 it was something like

00:18:11.520 65% to 70%

00:18:13.580 preferred above average

00:18:15.500 breast size.

00:18:16.440 So this,

00:18:17.800 this did really track

00:18:18.860 and this could be

00:18:19.520 a persistent thing

00:18:20.280 throughout history,

00:18:20.980 something that potentially

00:18:21.720 even evolutionary pressures

00:18:23.100 were targeting

00:18:24.100 in monogamous societies

00:18:25.480 or mostly monogamous societies.

00:18:27.960 So the perception

00:18:29.160 of wealth led me

00:18:30.160 to be like,

00:18:30.840 okay,

00:18:31.060 well,

00:18:31.400 I need to choose

00:18:32.080 the youngest acceptable 0.94

00:18:33.800 potential wife,

00:18:35.060 which will increase

00:18:35.800 the number of children

00:18:36.380 I can have.

00:18:36.940 And I don't really need

00:18:37.560 to worry about,

00:18:38.400 is she definitely a woman? 1.00

00:18:39.480 Because,

00:18:39.920 you know,

00:18:40.860 those older evolutionary

00:18:41.760 pressures aren't at play.

00:18:42.940 So that,

00:18:44.140 that could be,

00:18:44.880 we can explain

00:18:45.500 in another video

00:18:46.300 how the evolutionary

00:18:47.000 pressures worked around this.

00:18:48.060 But,

00:18:48.380 but,

00:18:48.940 but seeing as this holds true,

00:18:50.260 what it could be

00:18:50.860 is that historically

00:18:52.520 in like an animation company

00:18:54.360 or in something like this,

00:18:56.160 and we actually saw

00:18:57.060 the same trend with women. 0.99

00:18:58.460 Women, 1.00

00:18:58.900 when they had more wealth

00:18:59.600 and power,

00:19:00.100 actually found other women

00:19:01.620 more attractive

00:19:02.200 and preferred those women 0.99

00:19:04.200 to look less ginger dimorphic.

00:19:06.000 It's very odd.

00:19:07.340 And women also felt 0.80

00:19:08.140 more dominant.

00:19:08.820 Men also felt more dominant

00:19:09.820 as they,

00:19:10.360 they got more wealth

00:19:11.080 and power.

00:19:11.700 The trope of the wealthy man

00:19:13.440 who wants to be dominated

00:19:14.480 or goes to a dominatrix

00:19:15.800 is not borne out

00:19:18.380 by evidence.

00:19:18.980 And also we know people

00:19:20.180 in these roles

00:19:20.720 and they're like,

00:19:21.160 that's not the thing.

00:19:22.120 You might get a government

00:19:23.240 bureaucrat who's in a high role,

00:19:24.600 but no,

00:19:24.940 you won't get like a CEO

00:19:26.220 or something.

00:19:27.360 I mean,

00:19:27.660 not that these people

00:19:28.360 never exist,

00:19:29.120 it's just incredibly real.

00:19:30.540 Anyway,

00:19:31.040 so we,

00:19:31.760 we end up in this situation

00:19:33.440 where there's these

00:19:35.820 animation companies

00:19:36.680 and stuff like that.

00:19:37.360 And it used to be

00:19:37.940 somebody would be like,

00:19:38.520 oh,

00:19:38.720 I'm going to draw

00:19:39.220 this character

00:19:39.960 as a sexual interest

00:19:42.300 or as a,

00:19:43.040 as a heroine.

00:19:43.900 And people would be like,

00:19:45.160 oh,

00:19:45.400 dude,

00:19:45.600 that's really creepy.

00:19:47.380 Don't do that.

00:19:48.360 That looks like a little kid

00:19:50.260 or a man.

00:19:51.800 And today there's nobody

00:19:53.400 in these companies

00:19:54.020 to do this

00:19:54.760 because you know,

00:19:55.980 the,

00:19:56.140 the majority of the people

00:19:57.680 and sort of positions

00:19:58.400 of power was in these companies

00:19:59.520 have moved into this

00:20:01.000 extreme high wealth position.

00:20:02.400 And they're like,

00:20:03.020 oh yeah,

00:20:04.400 I like that.

00:20:08.180 I thought you were going to say

00:20:09.560 that maybe like our society,

00:20:10.760 he has gone more

00:20:11.920 toward post scarcity,

00:20:13.040 which has led more people

00:20:14.620 to just be attracted

00:20:16.460 to more androgynous

00:20:17.960 young looking people.

00:20:19.400 But you don't think

00:20:20.240 that's it?

00:20:21.200 No,

00:20:21.400 I don't think that's it.

00:20:22.160 I think,

00:20:22.480 I think it's that

00:20:23.300 the,

00:20:23.820 the,

00:20:24.180 the class that's creating media

00:20:25.860 is more out of touch

00:20:26.980 with mainstream sensibilities

00:20:28.360 than ever before

00:20:29.960 in,

00:20:30.500 in recent human history.

00:20:32.280 Oh,

00:20:32.800 so this is like a Balenciaga

00:20:34.360 photo shoot ad situation.

00:20:36.180 Yeah.

00:20:36.460 Which,

00:20:36.940 that,

00:20:37.360 if you missed that whole thing,

00:20:39.240 it was basically like a,

00:20:40.440 a Pedobear style,

00:20:42.520 BDSM styled photo shoot

00:20:45.340 of Balenciaga,

00:20:46.320 Balenciaga products

00:20:47.340 with kids and teddy bears

00:20:48.980 dressing.

00:20:49.260 We have another video

00:20:50.000 where we go into all this

00:20:50.940 a lot more.

00:20:51.820 Yeah.

00:20:52.020 Just,

00:20:52.260 just sort of making sure

00:20:53.720 that context is not missing,

00:20:55.360 but yeah.

00:20:56.400 Okay.

00:20:57.280 That's,

00:20:57.900 that's a,

00:20:58.780 let's see.

00:20:59.900 Maybe,

00:21:00.480 I mean,

00:21:00.740 I honestly think a combination

00:21:02.360 of your theories

00:21:03.260 sounds the most compelling

00:21:04.320 to me having now

00:21:05.360 thought it through

00:21:06.000 that this is a combination

00:21:07.520 of misogyny,

00:21:08.620 which is ultimately

00:21:09.380 leading to misandry

00:21:10.840 and producers

00:21:12.820 and the high power people

00:21:14.460 making these styling decisions

00:21:15.840 being uniquely out of touch,

00:21:17.240 but also uniquely

00:21:18.120 like high

00:21:19.400 socioeconomically.

00:21:20.880 Yeah.

00:21:22.420 You know,

00:21:23.020 no,

00:21:23.180 no,

00:21:23.200 no.

00:21:23.300 Yeah.

00:21:23.460 I think,

00:21:23.820 I think all that is true

00:21:24.760 and it's,

00:21:25.360 it's really sad

00:21:26.400 because it's hurting

00:21:27.280 a lot of young women

00:21:28.540 and it's creating a world

00:21:30.340 where young women

00:21:31.640 cannot imagine

00:21:33.100 being both feminine,

00:21:34.380 which,

00:21:35.020 which their biology

00:21:35.800 is driving them

00:21:36.360 to want to be

00:21:37.360 and successful,

00:21:39.440 you know,

00:21:40.340 where historically,

00:21:42.180 you know,

00:21:42.460 you look at the,

00:21:43.280 the successful female characters

00:21:45.680 in early media,

00:21:46.940 like the early feminist archetypes, 0.98

00:21:48.560 they were often,

00:21:49.300 you know,

00:21:49.820 big breasted,

00:21:50.720 voluptuous,

00:21:51.160 like this,

00:21:52.520 this was normal.

00:21:53.320 It's not that this is a truism

00:21:54.880 that if you were creating

00:21:56.220 a successful woman,

00:21:57.640 she needs to look underage 1.00

00:21:59.540 or like a man.

00:22:00.460 This is a modern thing

00:22:02.280 that has only really begun

00:22:03.560 in the last 15 years or so.

00:22:06.060 And it's,

00:22:06.920 it's really sad.

00:22:08.660 It's really sad.

00:22:09.520 And I,

00:22:10.200 I really grieve

00:22:11.500 and I hope that,

00:22:12.980 you know,

00:22:13.680 there's enough of a conservative

00:22:14.940 sort of counterculture

00:22:16.100 media generation

00:22:17.140 that by the time

00:22:17.800 our daughters get older,

00:22:19.020 you know,

00:22:19.260 the daughter you're pregnant 0.99

00:22:20.040 with now

00:22:20.560 and the daughter that exists,

00:22:21.880 that they have archetypes

00:22:24.660 that they can look up to

00:22:25.820 that display both femininity

00:22:28.300 and power

00:22:29.080 and that they can understand

00:22:30.760 how those things

00:22:31.320 can work together.

00:22:32.300 And this is,

00:22:33.040 this is one of those things

00:22:34.100 where I think,

00:22:35.260 you know,

00:22:35.720 another angle to take here,

00:22:36.900 which is one of the things

00:22:37.500 I often talk about,

00:22:38.420 which is the progressives,

00:22:39.920 while they stall,

00:22:41.660 you know,

00:22:42.140 diversity,

00:22:42.700 they say,

00:22:43.460 oh,

00:22:43.840 diversity is the most,

00:22:45.560 the best and greatest thing ever.

00:22:47.120 They also say,

00:22:48.400 oh,

00:22:48.580 well,

00:22:49.000 there's no real differences

00:22:50.040 between any groups,

00:22:51.060 no difference between groups,

00:22:52.000 no difference between cultures,

00:22:53.160 no differences between genders,

00:22:54.400 right?

00:22:55.520 And,

00:22:55.840 and that's,

00:22:56.360 I think also a part of this,

00:22:57.540 right?

00:22:57.800 They are genuinely

00:22:58.840 trying to portray

00:23:00.380 through media

00:23:01.560 and animation

00:23:02.420 that genders 0.97

00:23:03.860 are not different

00:23:05.200 because they need

00:23:07.060 to believe, 1.00

00:23:08.060 it's the dumbest ideology 1.00

00:23:09.740 in the world. 1.00

00:23:10.480 I,

00:23:11.020 you know,

00:23:11.140 we have another video

00:23:11.820 on,

00:23:12.120 on,

00:23:12.420 on how much

00:23:13.000 progressives hate diversity,

00:23:14.360 but it's insane. 0.89

00:23:15.800 It's insane

00:23:16.540 that you would take

00:23:17.260 this perspective

00:23:18.060 that there are no differences

00:23:19.240 because if diversity

00:23:20.380 is strength,

00:23:21.700 it is strength

00:23:23.100 because we are different.

00:23:26.140 And some conservatives

00:23:27.060 who like are not

00:23:28.040 actual conservatives,

00:23:28.960 they just sort of

00:23:29.480 buy into this,

00:23:30.280 I don't know,

00:23:31.120 masculine or aesthetic

00:23:32.260 ideal of what

00:23:33.580 conservatism is

00:23:34.440 rather than the

00:23:35.300 tradition of conservatism.

00:23:36.560 They don't understand

00:23:37.120 what I mean

00:23:37.800 or what the guy

00:23:39.040 who,

00:23:39.840 you know,

00:23:40.120 wrote Richmond,

00:23:41.080 North of Richmond,

00:23:42.120 which we've done a video on,

00:23:43.520 I don't know if they'll

00:23:44.040 have gone live by this,

00:23:45.180 that he was like,

00:23:45.720 diversity is the

00:23:46.680 greatest strength

00:23:47.640 of this country.

00:23:48.900 They don't,

00:23:49.200 they don't get what,

00:23:50.040 what the real conservative base

00:23:52.020 people like us mean

00:23:52.940 when we say this,

00:23:53.700 right?

00:23:54.500 And I,

00:23:54.920 and what I would say

00:23:55.600 is if you want to get

00:23:56.400 what that means,

00:23:57.400 look at a husband and wife,

00:23:59.380 okay,

00:23:59.660 who are working together.

00:24:01.720 You've got the Andrew Tate model

00:24:03.160 where the wife is what, 0.90

00:24:04.000 like a house slave 0.63

00:24:05.360 and he's sleeping

00:24:06.080 with like a hundred

00:24:06.800 other people.

00:24:08.660 That is,

00:24:09.640 to me,

00:24:10.680 a form of weakness.

00:24:11.500 That is not a,

00:24:12.200 a one-two punch.

00:24:13.220 That is not a,

00:24:13.820 a shield hero

00:24:15.840 and shovel knight situation.

00:24:17.900 The,

00:24:18.380 the strengths

00:24:19.520 of the husband

00:24:21.140 and wife

00:24:21.960 is that we

00:24:22.640 are different

00:24:24.080 and that we can

00:24:24.880 fulfill different roles.

00:24:26.640 and through fulfilling

00:24:28.380 those different roles,

00:24:29.860 we can create

00:24:31.080 a strength

00:24:32.200 that a,

00:24:33.100 that,

00:24:33.280 that if I was married

00:24:35.300 to another guy

00:24:36.360 who took on a masculine role 0.92

00:24:37.520 or she was married

00:24:38.280 to another woman 0.68

00:24:38.900 who took on a feminine role 1.00

00:24:39.920 or I was married

00:24:41.300 to a woman

00:24:41.760 who took on a masculine role 0.92

00:24:42.920 or you knew

00:24:43.260 we were married

00:24:43.580 to a man

00:24:43.960 who took on a feminine role, 1.00

00:24:45.040 we could not achieve.

00:24:46.880 We could not achieve.

00:24:49.100 Specialization

00:24:49.460 is useful.

00:24:51.980 Okay?

00:24:52.280 It allows you

00:24:53.720 to out-compete

00:24:55.220 the people

00:24:55.680 who deny

00:24:56.580 the possibility

00:24:57.660 of specialization.

00:24:59.800 And so,

00:25:00.820 when you say

00:25:01.600 diversity

00:25:02.180 is not a strength,

00:25:04.280 I ask you

00:25:05.000 to look at

00:25:05.700 your own families.

00:25:07.060 Look at the

00:25:07.540 husband-wife dynamic.

00:25:09.180 You can see

00:25:09.820 as clear

00:25:10.780 as day,

00:25:12.160 at least

00:25:12.620 if you're not

00:25:13.020 one of those people

00:25:13.580 who,

00:25:13.860 who denies

00:25:14.700 that men and women

00:25:15.200 are different,

00:25:16.460 that are the strengths

00:25:17.080 or who thinks

00:25:17.760 that,

00:25:18.060 that one gender 0.82

00:25:18.940 is just like 1.00

00:25:19.520 a parasite 1.00

00:25:20.120 on the other gender. 1.00

00:25:21.420 And,

00:25:21.920 and,

00:25:22.180 if you're one

00:25:22.660 of those people,

00:25:23.420 well,

00:25:23.640 nice knowing you,

00:25:24.500 but you probably

00:25:24.940 won't get married,

00:25:25.820 you won't have kids

00:25:26.700 and people like you

00:25:27.400 won't think

00:25:27.860 that way in the future.

00:25:29.380 And I won't say

00:25:29.960 that men and women 0.96

00:25:30.480 haven't become more toxic. 0.97

00:25:31.920 You know,

00:25:32.080 we've done videos on this

00:25:33.280 due to the,

00:25:34.380 the ways that their parents

00:25:35.360 teach them,

00:25:35.900 but these toxic men

00:25:36.820 and women, 1.00

00:25:37.280 they're not having kids.

00:25:38.340 They're not.

00:25:39.180 They may have a few kids,

00:25:40.280 one kid,

00:25:40.960 maybe,

00:25:41.340 maybe two kids

00:25:42.060 on occasion,

00:25:43.240 but majority,

00:25:44.420 they're not finding partners.

00:25:45.740 They're not having kids

00:25:46.580 and,

00:25:47.040 and at least their kids

00:25:48.260 won't have kids

00:25:48.760 and they'll disappear

00:25:49.440 because,

00:25:50.480 you know, 0.71

00:25:50.820 these parasitic 0.97

00:25:52.180 mindsets don't replicate. 0.98

00:25:55.280 Yep.

00:25:56.820 Man,

00:25:57.920 it's a lot going on

00:25:59.120 with boobies. 1.00

00:26:00.940 So yeah,

00:26:01.680 a lot going on

00:26:02.180 with the boobies. 1.00

00:26:03.020 A lot,

00:26:03.500 why?

00:26:04.040 Why?

00:26:04.360 Well,

00:26:04.600 I appreciate that you have

00:26:06.040 the perfect body

00:26:07.320 from my perspective.

00:26:08.400 Well,

00:26:08.660 thank you.

00:26:09.120 I am so blessed

00:26:11.040 every day

00:26:12.840 to be able to see

00:26:14.740 this paragon

00:26:16.420 of human perfection.

00:26:19.280 Well,

00:26:19.800 I'm not the lucky one.

00:26:20.620 You get more attractive

00:26:21.420 with age.

00:26:22.740 It's insane.

00:26:23.440 And you were like

00:26:24.300 the epitome of my type

00:26:25.460 when I first met you.

00:26:26.260 So I'm the lucky one here.

00:26:28.320 I'm going to enjoy it.

00:26:29.060 I don't know.

00:26:29.940 I think you're delusional

00:26:31.260 because I am a very,

00:26:33.080 I'm kidding.

00:26:33.980 No,

00:26:34.340 you know,

00:26:34.580 you know that you're beautiful.

00:26:35.460 Come on.

00:26:35.920 Every time you walk by a mirror,

00:26:37.020 you're like,

00:26:37.480 wow.

00:26:38.560 Okay.

00:26:38.860 I am not a Bane person,

00:26:42.120 but I do get very distracted.

00:26:43.880 You know,

00:26:44.440 you got to enjoy

00:26:45.220 what you have though.

00:26:46.080 And I really like,

00:26:47.740 I cannot emphasize this enough.

00:26:49.660 If you've got it,

00:26:50.460 you've got to enjoy it.

00:26:51.800 What a waste,

00:26:52.540 you know,

00:26:52.920 don't waste the praise.

00:26:53.340 What a waste.

00:26:54.120 All of these people

00:26:54.840 who were just born lucky

00:26:56.200 and don't spend time.

00:26:57.840 Ooh,

00:26:58.100 a mirror.

00:26:58.460 Or who waste their time

00:26:59.520 feeling self-conscious

00:27:00.600 and hating themselves

00:27:01.540 and wanting to be better.

00:27:02.500 Can you not just 0.99

00:27:03.400 fucking enjoy 0.99

00:27:04.280 what you have? 0.99

00:27:05.600 Enjoy what you have.

00:27:06.480 Yeah.

00:27:06.940 There's so many people out there

00:27:08.320 who are like,

00:27:09.200 I don't know,

00:27:09.560 they invest so much time

00:27:10.780 in themselves

00:27:11.300 and hears me like,

00:27:12.020 ooh,

00:27:12.260 a mirror.

00:27:12.980 Yeah,

00:27:13.280 it's great.

00:27:13.800 No,

00:27:14.040 you are both

00:27:16.400 in looks

00:27:17.220 and in behavior

00:27:18.020 the epitome

00:27:18.660 of what I want

00:27:19.280 in a human.

00:27:20.160 Thank you for existing.

00:27:21.240 I love this conversation.

00:27:21.840 I feel the same way

00:27:24.580 and I feel the same way

00:27:26.460 about our kids.

00:27:27.440 Isn't that amazing?

00:27:28.880 Our kids,

00:27:29.560 they are such treasures.

00:27:30.840 Yeah.

00:27:31.100 Which reminds me,

00:27:32.320 it's about time

00:27:33.160 for Child Pickup.

00:27:34.540 So I love you

00:27:35.980 to death, 0.96

00:27:37.180 Simone,

00:27:37.760 but we have to be

00:27:39.280 ending this podcast

00:27:40.080 so I can start dinner

00:27:41.420 and you are amazing.

00:27:44.100 Love you,

00:27:44.520 Malcolm.

Based Camp - September 06, 2023

Why Did Large Breasted Protagonists Disappear from Media？

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