Based Camp - September 06, 2023


Why Did Large Breasted Protagonists Disappear from Media？


Episode Stats

Length

27 minutes

Words per Minute

178.8366

Word Count

4,962

Sentence Count

287

Misogynist Sentences

58

Hate Speech Sentences

41


Summary

In this episode, we talk about gender dimorphism in media, anime, and other forms of media depicting female characters with small breasts, and why this is a bad thing. We also discuss the growing number of female leads in Western media, including anime, cartoons, and video games.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 They say anything that arouses males is bad.
00:00:03.080 Female dimorphism arouses males.
00:00:05.680 Let's take that away from them.
00:00:08.640 Oh.
00:00:09.680 Right?
00:00:10.020 Let's take away these big-breasted characters.
00:00:12.640 Let's take away these voluptuous characters.
00:00:15.340 But we still want lots of strong female leads.
00:00:17.940 Now, what happens if you take those things away?
00:00:20.220 What do those leads look like?
00:00:21.320 They look like one of two things.
00:00:23.480 They either look like men or they look like underage women.
00:00:26.660 But because those are the two groups in our society that have no breath.
00:00:33.200 Okay?
00:00:33.920 Those are the two groups that have this overall masculine archetype.
00:00:37.860 So in moving away from this more gender dimorphic archetype,
00:00:43.280 they, you know, I think in a way are promoting underage sexual attraction
00:00:49.940 or the elevation of underage characters into sexual positions,
00:00:53.940 which, you know, I regularly see, especially in Western animated shows,
00:00:59.260 and the removal and the erasure of women,
00:01:04.860 or at least women that most young girls can identify with,
00:01:08.180 body type-wise, from positions of power.
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00:01:35.880 All the leading ladies in contemporary fiction video storytelling
00:01:38.880 have small breasts.
00:01:40.680 What is this about?
00:01:41.940 It seems like larger breasts have been assigned
00:01:44.060 to less intelligent, bimbo-type female characters.
00:01:47.180 This is very deliberate
00:01:48.840 and has been an editorial casting choice for decades.
00:01:51.480 You have to go back to Raquel Welch or Sophia Loren
00:01:55.960 to bring back that statuesque, big-breasted woman of Classic Simina.
00:02:00.540 This is really, really fascinating for me
00:02:03.440 because it's definitely something I've seen
00:02:04.780 and know that I consume primarily animated content, right?
00:02:08.360 Yeah, I mean animated, like anime,
00:02:10.280 specifically Japanese anime,
00:02:11.940 since, I don't know, like 2015,
00:02:13.940 has really seen a spike in what is called fan service,
00:02:17.660 which is really like...
00:02:18.220 I'm not talking about that.
00:02:19.300 I'm talking about Western animated content as well.
00:02:21.120 Oh, oh, oh.
00:02:21.700 And in Western animated content,
00:02:23.220 there's been a growth in women in leading roles,
00:02:27.940 but also in small breasts.
00:02:30.360 You know, of intelligence.
00:02:31.720 Hold on.
00:02:32.120 Actually, before we go larger, further,
00:02:34.480 I got to take a gripe that I have with Western animation.
00:02:38.380 Okay.
00:02:38.660 So, there's a lot of people out there
00:02:41.600 who complain that Western animation is, like, getting too gay, right?
00:02:46.780 And it does have a lot of gay stuff going on in it.
00:02:48.740 I'll agree with that.
00:02:49.920 And yes, that could be seen as a form of indoctrination.
00:02:53.000 That is not my complaint.
00:02:54.980 My complaint is I want to take the lesbian community aside for a second
00:02:58.120 and be like, okay, I see you guys are getting a lot of representation now
00:03:01.460 in Western animated things.
00:03:04.480 But in most of these arcs,
00:03:07.340 one character starts trying to kill the other character,
00:03:10.320 and then they fall in love.
00:03:13.060 You know, you can see this in She-Ra,
00:03:14.960 the most recent She-Ra was the Catra-She-Ra love arc.
00:03:18.740 They're definitely trying to kill each other at one point.
00:03:20.800 You can see this in the Owl House.
00:03:22.160 By the way, I really enjoyed that show.
00:03:24.420 You see this...
00:03:25.300 Oh, or metaphors for unconsensual sex are depicted,
00:03:29.640 as we're seeing in Steven Universe.
00:03:31.620 What's going on here?
00:03:32.620 Is this normal?
00:03:33.960 Are you guys, like, trying to kill each other out there?
00:03:36.100 This was not a trope in heterosexual animated media,
00:03:39.920 but it appears to be just, like,
00:03:41.260 a very big trope in lesbian animated media.
00:03:43.940 But okay, back to the main question,
00:03:46.120 which is why are they painting small breasts
00:03:49.860 as a sign of competence and strength?
00:03:53.660 What are your thoughts?
00:03:54.480 I want to hear yours first.
00:03:55.540 I've got my own thoughts on this.
00:03:57.220 Yeah, so part of me thinks it's, like,
00:04:00.520 a sort of post-gender world
00:04:04.560 that we're living in in mainstream media.
00:04:07.120 So, like, the more androgynous characters look,
00:04:09.720 the better.
00:04:10.700 And maybe it's also that, like,
00:04:13.000 people just find it easier to relate,
00:04:16.720 especially kids and child audiences,
00:04:18.860 find it easier to relate to someone
00:04:19.960 who just looks like a child,
00:04:21.040 and children just look more androgynous
00:04:22.640 and therefore have, like, flat chests
00:04:25.220 or at least smaller chests.
00:04:27.020 So I feel like that must be what's going on,
00:04:30.260 that androgyny is seen as more just of a cultural norm,
00:04:34.020 and we're kind of just in a...
00:04:35.400 It's so confused about gender society
00:04:36.940 that making someone look super gender dimorphic
00:04:39.320 is too stressful to handle,
00:04:42.480 too full of baggage.
00:04:44.080 So let's just make people look neutral.
00:04:46.280 And I find myself often just really not being sure
00:04:48.960 what gender people are anymore,
00:04:50.580 in especially animated media.
00:04:52.260 So, especially Western animated media, I should say.
00:04:54.840 I don't think that's what's happening.
00:04:56.000 Really? So what's your theory?
00:04:57.640 So I think it's a confluence of things
00:04:59.560 which has led to something that's actually really sexist.
00:05:01.700 So I'm going to try my hardest not to be straw man.
00:05:03.260 So if I was going to straw man,
00:05:04.720 what I would say is the left actually
00:05:06.760 have a pathological hatred of women,
00:05:08.460 and so they refuse to associate gender dimorphic traits
00:05:12.500 with any positive characteristic,
00:05:15.180 whether it's intelligence or anything else.
00:05:17.380 I mean, look at this.
00:05:18.480 If you look at the recent explosion of transitions,
00:05:22.480 it's been an explosion of transitions,
00:05:24.020 which never happened before.
00:05:25.320 We're talking about it was in trans people,
00:05:27.100 of women to men.
00:05:28.400 It used to be predominantly male to female.
00:05:31.440 Now it's predominantly female to male
00:05:33.760 and predominantly young.
00:05:35.820 Well, I guess you call them men.
00:05:36.760 So, you know, young men who are transitioning,
00:05:39.800 so females transitioning to males.
00:05:41.900 What could be seen as a cause of this?
00:05:43.620 If we as a culture are acting as if femininity
00:05:48.120 and being womanly is this wholly negative thing
00:05:52.840 and this wholly disgusting thing,
00:05:54.780 of course these young girls hate themselves.
00:05:57.220 You know, of course they feel this way,
00:05:59.120 which is something that we didn't have in the past.
00:06:01.160 You know, you had women who were excelling at being women
00:06:03.220 and men who were excelling at being men,
00:06:04.780 and we were able to glorify both archetypes
00:06:08.220 where now we need to, you know,
00:06:10.020 glorify men excelling at being men
00:06:11.760 and women excelling at being men.
00:06:13.840 Which of course leads to these women feeling like
00:06:16.000 it's not actually women being celebrated.
00:06:18.360 But I'm not actually going to take that route.
00:06:20.880 I am going to say that that is a showman in this case
00:06:23.200 and I think something else is happening.
00:06:24.480 I think that the left began to associate anything
00:06:30.500 that elevates male sexuality or male sexual expression
00:06:35.620 with the enemy, with something that's wrong.
00:06:41.980 So coming out of the feminist movement to an extent almost,
00:06:44.980 they began to say, okay, like you've got to keep in mind,
00:06:49.600 you may have sophisticated ideas,
00:06:51.440 but the dumbest tropes end up trickling down
00:06:55.380 and permeating the ideology.
00:06:57.460 And male sexuality, bad.
00:06:59.160 Anything that arouses males, bad.
00:07:01.460 And this is something we've seen online.
00:07:02.540 We've done other videos about this.
00:07:03.980 You know, we were recently,
00:07:04.840 today I had a call with a conservative following.
00:07:07.160 You know, why do you do so much like sexual stuff?
00:07:09.840 These must be videos that are losing you followers
00:07:11.800 and they get you like the least likes.
00:07:13.340 And we're like, actually,
00:07:14.040 there are most watched videos often, right?
00:07:16.460 And the reason is,
00:07:17.660 is because the left has completely seeded male sexuality
00:07:20.800 as a ground.
00:07:22.140 And starting with the manosphere,
00:07:24.100 the right has been gobbling that up
00:07:26.100 because it's very easy ground to take
00:07:28.580 because it's just a natural part of it.
00:07:29.980 And many men feel hated because of this.
00:07:31.820 But anyway, so they say anything that arouses males is bad.
00:07:35.780 Female dimorphism arouses males.
00:07:38.360 Let's take that away from them.
00:07:41.240 Oh.
00:07:42.380 Right?
00:07:42.720 Let's take away these big breasted characters.
00:07:44.780 Let's take away these voluptuous characters.
00:07:48.200 And in doing that, they're like,
00:07:50.280 oh, but we still want lots of strong female leads.
00:07:52.880 So let's make these leads look.
00:07:55.060 Now, what happens if you take those things away?
00:07:57.260 What do those leads look like?
00:07:58.380 They look like one of two things.
00:08:00.520 They either look like men
00:08:01.880 or they look like underage women.
00:08:04.560 Because those are the two groups in our society
00:08:08.180 that have no breath, okay?
00:08:10.940 Those are the two groups
00:08:12.300 that have this overall masculine archetype.
00:08:14.780 So in moving away
00:08:16.500 from this more gender dimorphic archetype,
00:08:20.300 they, you know,
00:08:22.360 I think in a way are promoting
00:08:24.600 underage sexual attraction
00:08:26.980 or the elevation of underage characters
00:08:29.220 into sexual positions,
00:08:30.980 which, you know,
00:08:32.420 I regularly see,
00:08:34.560 especially in Western animated shows.
00:08:36.060 And the removal and the erasure
00:08:41.120 of women,
00:08:43.200 or at least women
00:08:45.500 that most young girls can identify with,
00:08:47.940 body type wise,
00:08:49.240 from positions of power.
00:08:51.780 Yeah, that's really interesting.
00:08:54.080 Because when I'm thinking about this,
00:08:56.600 like, shift in breast size and media,
00:09:00.500 like, it makes me think of a book,
00:09:02.360 actually, that I read well before I met you
00:09:03.980 called A History of the Breast
00:09:05.900 by Marilyn Yalom and Alfred Knopf.
00:09:08.800 And it's this really interesting discussion
00:09:11.940 of how women's breasts were politicized
00:09:15.360 and made into all sorts of different,
00:09:16.860 like, types of objects.
00:09:18.680 Like, they argue that around the Renaissance,
00:09:20.860 the breast went from, you know,
00:09:22.140 kind of being a fairly neutral thing
00:09:23.960 or, you know,
00:09:24.520 kind of being seen as elevated.
00:09:26.360 You know, like,
00:09:27.040 there were paintings of the Madonna
00:09:28.780 with a breast out
00:09:29.640 to feed the baby Jesus.
00:09:31.020 You know, it was, like,
00:09:31.460 kind of a sacred object
00:09:32.580 to something that was specific
00:09:34.400 or specifically around to, like,
00:09:36.020 excite and titillate men.
00:09:37.360 And that's when you start seeing
00:09:41.580 more use of wet nurses, for example,
00:09:43.780 because there's this big interest
00:09:45.520 in preserving nice, you know,
00:09:48.200 bolted-on tits that, you know,
00:09:50.040 don't get saggy after a lot of use
00:09:52.100 or whatever.
00:09:53.120 And it is interesting.
00:09:54.240 So I'm thinking about it
00:09:54.980 from that perspective.
00:09:55.680 I'm like, okay, well,
00:09:57.000 what does this mean
00:09:57.920 about how the breast
00:09:58.680 is being politicized now?
00:10:00.120 And who's the last character
00:10:01.480 I can remember
00:10:02.280 who was, like, aspirational
00:10:03.600 to both, like, men and women?
00:10:05.000 I guess Laura Croft,
00:10:06.040 who had actually
00:10:07.460 a decent-sized cup size.
00:10:10.720 But keep in mind,
00:10:11.640 she was created
00:10:12.260 a really long time ago
00:10:13.580 and became king of this
00:10:14.420 before she was put in.
00:10:15.400 I want to see
00:10:16.000 the recent Laura Croft.
00:10:19.040 Oh, yeah.
00:10:19.740 What does she look like?
00:10:21.440 No.
00:10:23.540 What have you done?
00:10:25.100 She's sweaty.
00:10:26.500 They remade her to look like a guy.
00:10:29.480 She, yeah,
00:10:30.660 she's a guy
00:10:31.200 with a nice long ponytail.
00:10:33.320 And the short shorts are gone.
00:10:35.040 The short shorts are gone.
00:10:36.040 Yeah, so is this, then,
00:10:38.900 about less fan service?
00:10:41.240 Like, less, yeah,
00:10:42.140 like, less sexual?
00:10:42.900 Yeah, I guess it could be, like,
00:10:44.120 let's stop pandering to men.
00:10:46.320 That's a bad thing.
00:10:47.720 Yeah, so it's misogyny
00:10:49.380 that ends up being misandry, right?
00:10:51.420 Because now, like, women sort of-
00:10:52.640 Yeah, they were trying to hurt men.
00:10:54.420 They took a-
00:10:55.180 It's like they took out their guns
00:10:56.740 in a metallic room
00:10:58.260 and they started shooting at men
00:10:59.340 and the bullets started
00:10:59.980 ricocheting and hitting them.
00:11:01.540 Well, yeah,
00:11:01.940 because now all the busty teenage girls
00:11:03.740 who are deeply uncomfortable
00:11:04.900 in their bodies,
00:11:05.920 who want to see someone
00:11:07.060 who looks like them,
00:11:08.140 they're not going to find anyone.
00:11:09.700 They're not going to-
00:11:10.360 No, no, no one in a position
00:11:11.500 they have no one to turn to.
00:11:12.860 They are told that they are-
00:11:15.180 They're-
00:11:16.180 This very change
00:11:17.460 that they're going through
00:11:18.200 and one of the hardest parts
00:11:19.260 of their life
00:11:19.820 is a sign
00:11:21.340 of their inadequacy,
00:11:23.620 unintelligence
00:11:24.620 and undesirability.
00:11:27.060 Yeah.
00:11:27.320 Oh my God.
00:11:28.040 Can you imagine
00:11:28.840 anything worse than that?
00:11:30.680 Can you imagine
00:11:31.440 what these young girls
00:11:32.260 are going through?
00:11:33.260 And these people do not care
00:11:35.460 because they are so obsessed
00:11:36.600 with social signaling.
00:11:38.000 They don't think about
00:11:39.320 the actual damage they're doing
00:11:40.880 and you bring them statistics
00:11:42.800 like all of these,
00:11:44.420 you know,
00:11:45.580 young girls or young men,
00:11:46.840 whichever way you want to put it,
00:11:47.680 transitioning
00:11:48.160 that has never happened before.
00:11:49.980 And they're like,
00:11:50.460 well, this is good.
00:11:51.200 There are more people.
00:11:51.960 Well, why would so many more women
00:11:54.200 want to transition than men?
00:11:55.880 I mean, presumably either
00:11:57.700 there was like a set number
00:12:00.500 of people who would have
00:12:01.660 transitioned historically, right?
00:12:03.820 And that was represented
00:12:05.580 by the historic figures
00:12:06.960 that more men transitioned, right?
00:12:09.300 Or, okay, so consider this
00:12:11.280 from a progressive
00:12:11.860 ideological perspective, right?
00:12:13.180 Okay.
00:12:13.640 Suppose people were transitioning
00:12:14.680 for like a bad reason.
00:12:16.340 Like they didn't really
00:12:17.140 want to transition,
00:12:18.060 but they were doing it
00:12:18.580 for some sort of social gain
00:12:19.760 or something.
00:12:20.900 So historically,
00:12:21.960 that would have happened
00:12:23.640 with women transitioning
00:12:24.820 to men
00:12:25.340 because by progressive ideology,
00:12:27.700 men have a better life
00:12:28.880 than women, right?
00:12:30.100 So all things aside,
00:12:32.420 in a historical context,
00:12:34.700 you should have seen
00:12:35.980 if it is true
00:12:38.220 that historically men
00:12:39.580 had it much better than women
00:12:40.620 and that has been declining
00:12:41.880 over time, okay,
00:12:43.760 historically men transitioning
00:12:45.820 to women
00:12:46.480 who weren't actually trans,
00:12:48.200 right?
00:12:48.460 Like when transness
00:12:50.060 became more accepted,
00:12:51.800 what you in fact
00:12:52.660 should have seen
00:12:53.580 is more men transitioning
00:12:55.420 to women.
00:12:56.520 And yet the exact opposite
00:12:58.120 was true.
00:12:59.220 So either transness
00:13:01.120 is just a stable thing
00:13:02.240 in most genders.
00:13:03.140 It's just like,
00:13:03.700 there should be
00:13:04.180 exactly equal numbers
00:13:05.360 and then you could say,
00:13:06.300 okay, but then
00:13:06.940 why did it explode here?
00:13:08.820 Or transness is something
00:13:10.680 which I believe,
00:13:12.220 which is a biological thing,
00:13:13.840 but that it appears
00:13:14.660 much more commonly
00:13:15.880 and people more male
00:13:17.040 than female.
00:13:17.940 And what we're seeing here
00:13:19.440 is a society
00:13:21.280 that has,
00:13:23.220 well, really
00:13:23.780 dehumanized femininity
00:13:26.000 in an attempt
00:13:27.440 to remove
00:13:29.020 the sort of
00:13:29.680 arousing content
00:13:30.860 from it.
00:13:33.100 Yeah.
00:13:33.820 Wow.
00:13:35.040 That's,
00:13:35.640 that's really interesting.
00:13:36.800 I mean,
00:13:37.660 so you don't think,
00:13:40.220 you don't think
00:13:40.920 that it's,
00:13:41.300 it's going after
00:13:42.360 young kids
00:13:43.700 and just trying
00:13:44.160 to show younger,
00:13:45.600 younger looking characters.
00:13:48.000 No,
00:13:48.560 that can't be.
00:13:49.180 Not for Laura Croft.
00:13:50.300 Yeah, that's right.
00:13:50.860 This is for adult,
00:13:52.020 adult women as well.
00:13:54.380 This was actually something
00:13:55.040 when the She-Ra character
00:13:55.980 was done
00:13:56.600 and they were like,
00:13:57.420 aha,
00:13:58.080 now we've created
00:13:59.000 a character
00:13:59.460 that men can't masturbate to
00:14:00.960 because they thought
00:14:01.480 that they were all masturbating.
00:14:02.660 This was actually things
00:14:04.200 that people were saying.
00:14:05.280 That people are saying online.
00:14:06.620 When they created characters
00:14:07.760 and then of course
00:14:08.820 they appear on,
00:14:09.620 you know,
00:14:09.980 the,
00:14:10.180 the,
00:14:10.560 the Hentai sites
00:14:11.740 and stuff like that
00:14:12.360 and they're like,
00:14:12.680 oh no,
00:14:13.760 this character
00:14:14.300 looks underage
00:14:15.040 and it's like,
00:14:15.320 you did this!
00:14:16.480 You did this!
00:14:18.060 Here is a,
00:14:20.040 an alternate theory,
00:14:21.040 okay?
00:14:21.420 So when you look
00:14:22.000 at dress silhouettes
00:14:23.120 throughout history,
00:14:24.140 you will see transitions
00:14:25.720 from busty
00:14:27.260 to non-busty
00:14:28.200 where,
00:14:28.700 you know,
00:14:29.220 in the,
00:14:30.040 the late 1700s
00:14:32.120 you've got,
00:14:32.760 you know,
00:14:32.980 these very tight corsets
00:14:34.260 and these giant,
00:14:35.140 you know,
00:14:35.500 flaring hips
00:14:36.120 and these,
00:14:36.740 you know,
00:14:36.980 boobs sticking out
00:14:37.740 of these,
00:14:38.140 you know,
00:14:38.780 corsets and whatnot
00:14:39.420 in many cases
00:14:40.260 and then you're ending up
00:14:41.540 with the,
00:14:42.900 the,
00:14:43.820 like,
00:14:44.160 straight column
00:14:44.880 of an empire dress,
00:14:46.420 you know,
00:14:46.600 just like,
00:14:47.220 very,
00:14:47.760 you know,
00:14:48.240 straight silhouette,
00:14:49.260 they're like,
00:14:49.780 literally,
00:14:50.300 or styled like a Roman column
00:14:51.780 and I mean,
00:14:53.100 certainly sometimes
00:14:53.980 there were little bits
00:14:55.680 of cleavage showing up
00:14:56.640 but definitely it was like a,
00:14:57.600 the flattened chest look
00:14:59.280 and then you end up
00:15:00.240 back into like,
00:15:01.160 the Victorian period
00:15:02.340 where again,
00:15:02.880 you've got these,
00:15:04.220 like,
00:15:04.720 larger,
00:15:05.420 like,
00:15:05.820 waist to hip ratios
00:15:06.920 and larger busts
00:15:08.800 and then you go
00:15:09.300 back down again
00:15:10.320 so is this maybe
00:15:11.640 not just a normal
00:15:12.680 oscillation of body shape?
00:15:14.360 Again,
00:15:14.860 because we're going away
00:15:15.760 from,
00:15:16.700 you know,
00:15:16.860 women are not getting
00:15:18.380 BBLs,
00:15:19.060 for example,
00:15:19.420 these are Brazilian butt lifts,
00:15:20.760 like,
00:15:20.940 they're also getting
00:15:21.500 smaller butts as well,
00:15:23.020 you know,
00:15:23.200 the Kardashians are reducing
00:15:24.380 their butt size
00:15:25.440 so maybe that's what's going on
00:15:27.300 that we're,
00:15:28.280 if I think about
00:15:29.060 what the fashion YouTubers
00:15:30.380 that I like to watch
00:15:31.640 are saying,
00:15:32.240 we're moving away
00:15:33.100 from really curvy looks
00:15:34.280 and moving toward
00:15:35.040 what's called heroin chic
00:15:36.240 where you just look
00:15:36.960 more like a stick.
00:15:38.400 Heroin chic?
00:15:39.640 Yeah,
00:15:40.060 as in like,
00:15:40.640 you're addicted to heroin
00:15:41.540 and you don't eat food anymore.
00:15:43.640 Or you could see it
00:15:44.380 as being more like
00:15:45.060 a heroin in modern comedy.
00:15:46.740 Oh,
00:15:46.920 no,
00:15:47.100 no,
00:15:47.220 no,
00:15:47.340 no,
00:15:47.460 no,
00:15:47.500 no,
00:15:47.580 I'm talking drug addiction.
00:15:48.680 I'm talking you look
00:15:49.340 unhealthily skinny.
00:15:50.740 But that's not
00:15:51.360 what we're moving towards.
00:15:52.240 If you look at the women
00:15:53.020 who are being elevated,
00:15:54.340 they do not look
00:15:55.260 unnaturally skinny.
00:15:56.280 They look muscular.
00:15:57.720 They look like someone
00:15:58.620 who has a lot of testosterone
00:15:59.940 in their system.
00:16:01.020 And that's not,
00:16:01.640 that's not current style.
00:16:02.620 Yeah,
00:16:02.760 so I guess
00:16:03.100 I can't argue
00:16:04.260 that we're,
00:16:04.840 we're just tracking
00:16:05.940 female silhouettes,
00:16:08.520 clothing and style trends
00:16:09.560 because they're not
00:16:10.240 actually tracking
00:16:11.100 female silhouettes
00:16:12.020 and style trends.
00:16:12.580 In fact,
00:16:13.060 what we have now
00:16:14.020 in fashion
00:16:14.440 is really a lot more
00:16:15.440 plus sized fashion.
00:16:16.880 And we have then
00:16:17.700 a lot of,
00:16:18.340 you know,
00:16:18.500 more,
00:16:18.640 more heroin chic,
00:16:19.480 like we're moving away
00:16:20.160 from big butts.
00:16:21.640 And I'd say
00:16:22.520 I haven't seen heroin chic
00:16:23.860 in terms of media.
00:16:24.960 Yeah,
00:16:25.380 like what we're,
00:16:26.180 yeah,
00:16:26.320 because what media
00:16:26.980 is representing
00:16:27.440 what you're saying here
00:16:28.060 is that we've got
00:16:28.580 like muscular,
00:16:30.300 it's testosterone,
00:16:31.220 normal sized women.
00:16:32.560 Yeah.
00:16:32.820 And that's not,
00:16:33.580 that's not a thing anywhere.
00:16:34.380 I mean,
00:16:34.900 there are some like
00:16:35.680 fitness,
00:16:36.540 fitness influencers
00:16:37.500 who are muscular.
00:16:38.080 there's only two things
00:16:39.240 and I point that again
00:16:40.240 and again
00:16:40.540 that lead to this body type.
00:16:41.840 It is being underage
00:16:43.020 or being a man.
00:16:45.100 This,
00:16:45.460 this,
00:16:45.800 this almost no waist
00:16:47.220 to hip ratio,
00:16:48.480 this very small breasts,
00:16:50.120 no,
00:16:50.380 this muscular frame,
00:16:51.840 that is either you are,
00:16:53.400 and underage women
00:16:54.040 do look like that,
00:16:54.920 you know?
00:16:55.720 So,
00:16:56.460 okay,
00:16:56.880 so outside of that,
00:16:58.680 here's another hypothesis.
00:17:00.000 this is a sign
00:17:02.460 of increasing
00:17:03.540 class divide
00:17:04.900 in our society.
00:17:06.240 I was wondering
00:17:06.640 if you were going to go there.
00:17:07.740 Yeah,
00:17:08.000 talk about what you found
00:17:08.880 in research.
00:17:09.280 So we've talked about this.
00:17:09.880 Yeah.
00:17:10.240 So when we did our big
00:17:11.300 sex survey,
00:17:12.200 the thing that really
00:17:13.100 shocked us
00:17:13.900 was the thing
00:17:14.400 that was most determinant
00:17:15.380 of a male's sexuality
00:17:17.340 and also a female sexuality,
00:17:18.520 but more important here
00:17:19.720 is a male's sexuality.
00:17:20.860 Actually,
00:17:21.560 female sexuality
00:17:22.300 might be just as important here,
00:17:23.780 but that
00:17:24.340 the wealthier
00:17:25.580 and more powerful
00:17:26.140 and individual felt,
00:17:27.960 the more,
00:17:28.840 so I always say
00:17:29.660 that with attraction
00:17:30.820 to women,
00:17:31.600 you're sort of pulled
00:17:32.240 between two extremes.
00:17:33.440 You are either optimizing
00:17:35.040 for absolutely assuring
00:17:36.540 that they're a woman,
00:17:37.360 so you're optimizing
00:17:37.920 for gender dimorphism,
00:17:39.080 large breasts,
00:17:40.260 everything like that,
00:17:41.260 or you're optimizing
00:17:42.360 for fertility window,
00:17:43.680 which means you're optimizing
00:17:44.400 for a younger woman,
00:17:45.860 small breasts,
00:17:47.100 you know,
00:17:47.560 small waist to hip ratio,
00:17:48.820 stuff like that.
00:17:49.760 So the wealthier a man was,
00:17:51.760 the more he seemed
00:17:52.640 to optimize
00:17:53.400 for fertility window
00:17:54.980 in our study,
00:17:55.680 to the extent
00:17:56.740 that there wasn't
00:17:57.540 a single guy
00:17:58.360 in the wealthiest category
00:17:59.180 of our study
00:17:59.720 who preferred anything
00:18:01.540 other than the smallest
00:18:02.460 category of breasts.
00:18:03.880 And that's really interesting.
00:18:06.100 And it was something,
00:18:06.780 like when you look
00:18:07.400 at the porous men
00:18:08.020 in our study,
00:18:08.540 just to get an idea
00:18:09.100 of how aberrant this was,
00:18:10.920 it was something like
00:18:11.520 65% to 70%
00:18:13.580 preferred above average
00:18:15.500 breast size.
00:18:16.440 So this,
00:18:17.800 this did really track
00:18:18.860 and this could be
00:18:19.520 a persistent thing
00:18:20.280 throughout history,
00:18:20.980 something that potentially
00:18:21.720 even evolutionary pressures
00:18:23.100 were targeting
00:18:24.100 in monogamous societies
00:18:25.480 or mostly monogamous societies.
00:18:27.960 So the perception
00:18:29.160 of wealth led me
00:18:30.160 to be like,
00:18:30.840 okay,
00:18:31.060 well,
00:18:31.400 I need to choose
00:18:32.080 the youngest acceptable
00:18:33.800 potential wife,
00:18:35.060 which will increase
00:18:35.800 the number of children
00:18:36.380 I can have.
00:18:36.940 And I don't really need
00:18:37.560 to worry about,
00:18:38.400 is she definitely a woman?
00:18:39.480 Because,
00:18:39.920 you know,
00:18:40.860 those older evolutionary
00:18:41.760 pressures aren't at play.
00:18:42.940 So that,
00:18:44.140 that could be,
00:18:44.880 we can explain
00:18:45.500 in another video
00:18:46.300 how the evolutionary
00:18:47.000 pressures worked around this.
00:18:48.060 But,
00:18:48.380 but,
00:18:48.940 but seeing as this holds true,
00:18:50.260 what it could be
00:18:50.860 is that historically
00:18:52.520 in like an animation company
00:18:54.360 or in something like this,
00:18:56.160 and we actually saw
00:18:57.060 the same trend with women.
00:18:58.460 Women,
00:18:58.900 when they had more wealth
00:18:59.600 and power,
00:19:00.100 actually found other women
00:19:01.620 more attractive
00:19:02.200 and preferred those women
00:19:04.200 to look less ginger dimorphic.
00:19:06.000 It's very odd.
00:19:07.340 And women also felt
00:19:08.140 more dominant.
00:19:08.820 Men also felt more dominant
00:19:09.820 as they,
00:19:10.360 they got more wealth
00:19:11.080 and power.
00:19:11.700 The trope of the wealthy man
00:19:13.440 who wants to be dominated
00:19:14.480 or goes to a dominatrix
00:19:15.800 is not borne out
00:19:18.380 by evidence.
00:19:18.980 And also we know people
00:19:20.180 in these roles
00:19:20.720 and they're like,
00:19:21.160 that's not the thing.
00:19:22.120 You might get a government
00:19:23.240 bureaucrat who's in a high role,
00:19:24.600 but no,
00:19:24.940 you won't get like a CEO
00:19:26.220 or something.
00:19:27.360 I mean,
00:19:27.660 not that these people
00:19:28.360 never exist,
00:19:29.120 it's just incredibly real.
00:19:30.540 Anyway,
00:19:31.040 so we,
00:19:31.760 we end up in this situation
00:19:33.440 where there's these
00:19:35.820 animation companies
00:19:36.680 and stuff like that.
00:19:37.360 And it used to be
00:19:37.940 somebody would be like,
00:19:38.520 oh,
00:19:38.720 I'm going to draw
00:19:39.220 this character
00:19:39.960 as a sexual interest
00:19:42.300 or as a,
00:19:43.040 as a heroine.
00:19:43.900 And people would be like,
00:19:45.160 oh,
00:19:45.400 dude,
00:19:45.600 that's really creepy.
00:19:47.380 Don't do that.
00:19:48.360 That looks like a little kid
00:19:50.260 or a man.
00:19:51.800 And today there's nobody
00:19:53.400 in these companies
00:19:54.020 to do this
00:19:54.760 because you know,
00:19:55.980 the,
00:19:56.140 the majority of the people
00:19:57.680 and sort of positions
00:19:58.400 of power was in these companies
00:19:59.520 have moved into this
00:20:01.000 extreme high wealth position.
00:20:02.400 And they're like,
00:20:03.020 oh yeah,
00:20:04.400 I like that.
00:20:08.180 I thought you were going to say
00:20:09.560 that maybe like our society,
00:20:10.760 he has gone more
00:20:11.920 toward post scarcity,
00:20:13.040 which has led more people
00:20:14.620 to just be attracted
00:20:16.460 to more androgynous
00:20:17.960 young looking people.
00:20:19.400 But you don't think
00:20:20.240 that's it?
00:20:21.200 No,
00:20:21.400 I don't think that's it.
00:20:22.160 I think,
00:20:22.480 I think it's that
00:20:23.300 the,
00:20:23.820 the,
00:20:24.180 the class that's creating media
00:20:25.860 is more out of touch
00:20:26.980 with mainstream sensibilities
00:20:28.360 than ever before
00:20:29.960 in,
00:20:30.500 in recent human history.
00:20:32.280 Oh,
00:20:32.800 so this is like a Balenciaga
00:20:34.360 photo shoot ad situation.
00:20:36.180 Yeah.
00:20:36.460 Which,
00:20:36.940 that,
00:20:37.360 if you missed that whole thing,
00:20:39.240 it was basically like a,
00:20:40.440 a Pedobear style,
00:20:42.520 BDSM styled photo shoot
00:20:45.340 of Balenciaga,
00:20:46.320 Balenciaga products
00:20:47.340 with kids and teddy bears
00:20:48.980 dressing.
00:20:49.260 We have another video
00:20:50.000 where we go into all this
00:20:50.940 a lot more.
00:20:51.820 Yeah.
00:20:52.020 Just,
00:20:52.260 just sort of making sure
00:20:53.720 that context is not missing,
00:20:55.360 but yeah.
00:20:56.400 Okay.
00:20:57.280 That's,
00:20:57.900 that's a,
00:20:58.780 let's see.
00:20:59.900 Maybe,
00:21:00.480 I mean,
00:21:00.740 I honestly think a combination
00:21:02.360 of your theories
00:21:03.260 sounds the most compelling
00:21:04.320 to me having now
00:21:05.360 thought it through
00:21:06.000 that this is a combination
00:21:07.520 of misogyny,
00:21:08.620 which is ultimately
00:21:09.380 leading to misandry
00:21:10.840 and producers
00:21:12.820 and the high power people
00:21:14.460 making these styling decisions
00:21:15.840 being uniquely out of touch,
00:21:17.240 but also uniquely
00:21:18.120 like high
00:21:19.400 socioeconomically.
00:21:20.880 Yeah.
00:21:22.420 You know,
00:21:23.020 no,
00:21:23.180 no,
00:21:23.200 no.
00:21:23.300 Yeah.
00:21:23.460 I think,
00:21:23.820 I think all that is true
00:21:24.760 and it's,
00:21:25.360 it's really sad
00:21:26.400 because it's hurting
00:21:27.280 a lot of young women
00:21:28.540 and it's creating a world
00:21:30.340 where young women
00:21:31.640 cannot imagine
00:21:33.100 being both feminine,
00:21:34.380 which,
00:21:35.020 which their biology
00:21:35.800 is driving them
00:21:36.360 to want to be
00:21:37.360 and successful,
00:21:39.440 you know,
00:21:40.340 where historically,
00:21:42.180 you know,
00:21:42.460 you look at the,
00:21:43.280 the successful female characters
00:21:45.680 in early media,
00:21:46.940 like the early feminist archetypes,
00:21:48.560 they were often,
00:21:49.300 you know,
00:21:49.820 big breasted,
00:21:50.720 voluptuous,
00:21:51.160 like this,
00:21:52.520 this was normal.
00:21:53.320 It's not that this is a truism
00:21:54.880 that if you were creating
00:21:56.220 a successful woman,
00:21:57.640 she needs to look underage
00:21:59.540 or like a man.
00:22:00.460 This is a modern thing
00:22:02.280 that has only really begun
00:22:03.560 in the last 15 years or so.
00:22:06.060 And it's,
00:22:06.920 it's really sad.
00:22:08.660 It's really sad.
00:22:09.520 And I,
00:22:10.200 I really grieve
00:22:11.500 and I hope that,
00:22:12.980 you know,
00:22:13.680 there's enough of a conservative
00:22:14.940 sort of counterculture
00:22:16.100 media generation
00:22:17.140 that by the time
00:22:17.800 our daughters get older,
00:22:19.020 you know,
00:22:19.260 the daughter you're pregnant
00:22:20.040 with now
00:22:20.560 and the daughter that exists,
00:22:21.880 that they have archetypes
00:22:24.660 that they can look up to
00:22:25.820 that display both femininity
00:22:28.300 and power
00:22:29.080 and that they can understand
00:22:30.760 how those things
00:22:31.320 can work together.
00:22:32.300 And this is,
00:22:33.040 this is one of those things
00:22:34.100 where I think,
00:22:35.260 you know,
00:22:35.720 another angle to take here,
00:22:36.900 which is one of the things
00:22:37.500 I often talk about,
00:22:38.420 which is the progressives,
00:22:39.920 while they stall,
00:22:41.660 you know,
00:22:42.140 diversity,
00:22:42.700 they say,
00:22:43.460 oh,
00:22:43.840 diversity is the most,
00:22:45.560 the best and greatest thing ever.
00:22:47.120 They also say,
00:22:48.400 oh,
00:22:48.580 well,
00:22:49.000 there's no real differences
00:22:50.040 between any groups,
00:22:51.060 no difference between groups,
00:22:52.000 no difference between cultures,
00:22:53.160 no differences between genders,
00:22:54.400 right?
00:22:55.520 And,
00:22:55.840 and that's,
00:22:56.360 I think also a part of this,
00:22:57.540 right?
00:22:57.800 They are genuinely
00:22:58.840 trying to portray
00:23:00.380 through media
00:23:01.560 and animation
00:23:02.420 that genders
00:23:03.860 are not different
00:23:05.200 because they need
00:23:07.060 to believe,
00:23:08.060 it's the dumbest ideology
00:23:09.740 in the world.
00:23:10.480 I,
00:23:11.020 you know,
00:23:11.140 we have another video
00:23:11.820 on,
00:23:12.120 on,
00:23:12.420 on how much
00:23:13.000 progressives hate diversity,
00:23:14.360 but it's insane.
00:23:15.800 It's insane
00:23:16.540 that you would take
00:23:17.260 this perspective
00:23:18.060 that there are no differences
00:23:19.240 because if diversity
00:23:20.380 is strength,
00:23:21.700 it is strength
00:23:23.100 because we are different.
00:23:26.140 And some conservatives
00:23:27.060 who like are not
00:23:28.040 actual conservatives,
00:23:28.960 they just sort of
00:23:29.480 buy into this,
00:23:30.280 I don't know,
00:23:31.120 masculine or aesthetic
00:23:32.260 ideal of what
00:23:33.580 conservatism is
00:23:34.440 rather than the
00:23:35.300 tradition of conservatism.
00:23:36.560 They don't understand
00:23:37.120 what I mean
00:23:37.800 or what the guy
00:23:39.040 who,
00:23:39.840 you know,
00:23:40.120 wrote Richmond,
00:23:41.080 North of Richmond,
00:23:42.120 which we've done a video on,
00:23:43.520 I don't know if they'll
00:23:44.040 have gone live by this,
00:23:45.180 that he was like,
00:23:45.720 diversity is the
00:23:46.680 greatest strength
00:23:47.640 of this country.
00:23:48.900 They don't,
00:23:49.200 they don't get what,
00:23:50.040 what the real conservative base
00:23:52.020 people like us mean
00:23:52.940 when we say this,
00:23:53.700 right?
00:23:54.500 And I,
00:23:54.920 and what I would say
00:23:55.600 is if you want to get
00:23:56.400 what that means,
00:23:57.400 look at a husband and wife,
00:23:59.380 okay,
00:23:59.660 who are working together.
00:24:01.720 You've got the Andrew Tate model
00:24:03.160 where the wife is what,
00:24:04.000 like a house slave
00:24:05.360 and he's sleeping
00:24:06.080 with like a hundred
00:24:06.800 other people.
00:24:08.660 That is,
00:24:09.640 to me,
00:24:10.680 a form of weakness.
00:24:11.500 That is not a,
00:24:12.200 a one-two punch.
00:24:13.220 That is not a,
00:24:13.820 a shield hero
00:24:15.840 and shovel knight situation.
00:24:17.900 The,
00:24:18.380 the strengths
00:24:19.520 of the husband
00:24:21.140 and wife
00:24:21.960 is that we
00:24:22.640 are different
00:24:24.080 and that we can
00:24:24.880 fulfill different roles.
00:24:26.640 and through fulfilling
00:24:28.380 those different roles,
00:24:29.860 we can create
00:24:31.080 a strength
00:24:32.200 that a,
00:24:33.100 that,
00:24:33.280 that if I was married
00:24:35.300 to another guy
00:24:36.360 who took on a masculine role
00:24:37.520 or she was married
00:24:38.280 to another woman
00:24:38.900 who took on a feminine role
00:24:39.920 or I was married
00:24:41.300 to a woman
00:24:41.760 who took on a masculine role
00:24:42.920 or you knew
00:24:43.260 we were married
00:24:43.580 to a man
00:24:43.960 who took on a feminine role,
00:24:45.040 we could not achieve.
00:24:46.880 We could not achieve.
00:24:49.100 Specialization
00:24:49.460 is useful.
00:24:51.980 Okay?
00:24:52.280 It allows you
00:24:53.720 to out-compete
00:24:55.220 the people
00:24:55.680 who deny
00:24:56.580 the possibility
00:24:57.660 of specialization.
00:24:59.800 And so,
00:25:00.820 when you say
00:25:01.600 diversity
00:25:02.180 is not a strength,
00:25:04.280 I ask you
00:25:05.000 to look at
00:25:05.700 your own families.
00:25:07.060 Look at the
00:25:07.540 husband-wife dynamic.
00:25:09.180 You can see
00:25:09.820 as clear
00:25:10.780 as day,
00:25:12.160 at least
00:25:12.620 if you're not
00:25:13.020 one of those people
00:25:13.580 who,
00:25:13.860 who denies
00:25:14.700 that men and women
00:25:15.200 are different,
00:25:16.460 that are the strengths
00:25:17.080 or who thinks
00:25:17.760 that,
00:25:18.060 that one gender
00:25:18.940 is just like
00:25:19.520 a parasite
00:25:20.120 on the other gender.
00:25:21.420 And,
00:25:21.920 and,
00:25:22.180 if you're one
00:25:22.660 of those people,
00:25:23.420 well,
00:25:23.640 nice knowing you,
00:25:24.500 but you probably
00:25:24.940 won't get married,
00:25:25.820 you won't have kids
00:25:26.700 and people like you
00:25:27.400 won't think
00:25:27.860 that way in the future.
00:25:29.380 And I won't say
00:25:29.960 that men and women
00:25:30.480 haven't become more toxic.
00:25:31.920 You know,
00:25:32.080 we've done videos on this
00:25:33.280 due to the,
00:25:34.380 the ways that their parents
00:25:35.360 teach them,
00:25:35.900 but these toxic men
00:25:36.820 and women,
00:25:37.280 they're not having kids.
00:25:38.340 They're not.
00:25:39.180 They may have a few kids,
00:25:40.280 one kid,
00:25:40.960 maybe,
00:25:41.340 maybe two kids
00:25:42.060 on occasion,
00:25:43.240 but majority,
00:25:44.420 they're not finding partners.
00:25:45.740 They're not having kids
00:25:46.580 and,
00:25:47.040 and at least their kids
00:25:48.260 won't have kids
00:25:48.760 and they'll disappear
00:25:49.440 because,
00:25:50.480 you know,
00:25:50.820 these parasitic
00:25:52.180 mindsets don't replicate.
00:25:55.280 Yep.
00:25:56.820 Man,
00:25:57.920 it's a lot going on
00:25:59.120 with boobies.
00:26:00.940 So yeah,
00:26:01.680 a lot going on
00:26:02.180 with the boobies.
00:26:03.020 A lot,
00:26:03.500 why?
00:26:04.040 Why?
00:26:04.360 Well,
00:26:04.600 I appreciate that you have
00:26:06.040 the perfect body
00:26:07.320 from my perspective.
00:26:08.400 Well,
00:26:08.660 thank you.
00:26:09.120 I am so blessed
00:26:11.040 every day
00:26:12.840 to be able to see
00:26:14.740 this paragon
00:26:16.420 of human perfection.
00:26:19.280 Well,
00:26:19.800 I'm not the lucky one.
00:26:20.620 You get more attractive
00:26:21.420 with age.
00:26:22.740 It's insane.
00:26:23.440 And you were like
00:26:24.300 the epitome of my type
00:26:25.460 when I first met you.
00:26:26.260 So I'm the lucky one here.
00:26:28.320 I'm going to enjoy it.
00:26:29.060 I don't know.
00:26:29.940 I think you're delusional
00:26:31.260 because I am a very,
00:26:33.080 I'm kidding.
00:26:33.980 No,
00:26:34.340 you know,
00:26:34.580 you know that you're beautiful.
00:26:35.460 Come on.
00:26:35.920 Every time you walk by a mirror,
00:26:37.020 you're like,
00:26:37.480 wow.
00:26:38.560 Okay.
00:26:38.860 I am not a Bane person,
00:26:42.120 but I do get very distracted.
00:26:43.880 You know,
00:26:44.440 you got to enjoy
00:26:45.220 what you have though.
00:26:46.080 And I really like,
00:26:47.740 I cannot emphasize this enough.
00:26:49.660 If you've got it,
00:26:50.460 you've got to enjoy it.
00:26:51.800 What a waste,
00:26:52.540 you know,
00:26:52.920 don't waste the praise.
00:26:53.340 What a waste.
00:26:54.120 All of these people
00:26:54.840 who were just born lucky
00:26:56.200 and don't spend time.
00:26:57.840 Ooh,
00:26:58.100 a mirror.
00:26:58.460 Or who waste their time
00:26:59.520 feeling self-conscious
00:27:00.600 and hating themselves
00:27:01.540 and wanting to be better.
00:27:02.500 Can you not just
00:27:03.400 fucking enjoy
00:27:04.280 what you have?
00:27:05.600 Enjoy what you have.
00:27:06.480 Yeah.
00:27:06.940 There's so many people out there
00:27:08.320 who are like,
00:27:09.200 I don't know,
00:27:09.560 they invest so much time
00:27:10.780 in themselves
00:27:11.300 and hears me like,
00:27:12.020 ooh,
00:27:12.260 a mirror.
00:27:12.980 Yeah,
00:27:13.280 it's great.
00:27:13.800 No,
00:27:14.040 you are both
00:27:16.400 in looks
00:27:17.220 and in behavior
00:27:18.020 the epitome
00:27:18.660 of what I want
00:27:19.280 in a human.
00:27:20.160 Thank you for existing.
00:27:21.240 I love this conversation.
00:27:21.840 I feel the same way
00:27:24.580 and I feel the same way
00:27:26.460 about our kids.
00:27:27.440 Isn't that amazing?
00:27:28.880 Our kids,
00:27:29.560 they are such treasures.
00:27:30.840 Yeah.
00:27:31.100 Which reminds me,
00:27:32.320 it's about time
00:27:33.160 for Child Pickup.
00:27:34.540 So I love you
00:27:35.980 to death,
00:27:37.180 Simone,
00:27:37.760 but we have to be
00:27:39.280 ending this podcast
00:27:40.080 so I can start dinner
00:27:41.420 and you are amazing.
00:27:44.100 Love you,
00:27:44.520 Malcolm.