Based Camp - June 16, 2026


Why do Leftists Keep Asking If We Have Kids to Fulfill a Kink？

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In this episode, we discuss a phenomenon that has happened to us repeatedly and we didn t understand it until today. It's a concept that's been around for a long time, but it's only recently that we've begun to understand it in a new light.

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00:00:00.000 hello simone today we are going to be talking about basically a very weird phenomenon that
00:00:09.080 has happened to us repeatedly and i didn't understand it until today and i had this like
00:00:15.020 shocking realization when i was just thinking through this today and i was like this explains
00:00:19.540 so much of a leftist mindset that i didn't fully understand before which is when we initially would
00:00:26.580 go viral people would say oh like why do they have to like bring us into their weird breeding kink 0.58
00:00:32.880 you know this was a comment i i'd say it's like one-fifth or one-eighth of comments whenever we
00:00:37.600 used to go viral we had a journalist come to our house recently so a trans individual he's a
00:00:42.880 journalist and he was interviewing us or she whatever i never know with these people she was
00:00:48.320 interviewing us over and by the way if you're trans and annoyed by that just know how annoying 0.71
00:00:53.660 it is for the rest of us when we can't tell we don't care and you act like it's the biggest 0.59
00:00:58.500 effing deal in the world and yet you dress and act in a way that intentionally makes it hard to tell 0.64
00:01:04.000 right like i would gender you right if it was obvious to me right i'm not i'm not like out
00:01:09.960 there actively trying to be a but you are intentionally dressing in a way to make it 0.98
00:01:14.840 difficult for me to know right so why am i supposed to you're just being a jerk to people 0.98
00:01:21.340 you have made your existence a jerky existence to other people but anyway so that she comes here 0.82
00:01:27.940 and she gives us an interview and in the interview she asks us something along the lines of like and 0.93
00:01:36.340 this was the thesis of the interview like is this all really just a kink like is there a kink that's
00:01:42.720 motivating you guys to want to have lots of kids and i was just like sitting there like does did 0.59
00:01:48.420 they really believe that like i would have five kids because of a kink right like the amount of 0.97
00:01:57.200 my life i would have to dedicate to something as simple as like something you masturbate to
00:02:04.820 right like a simple arousal pattern would be genuinely astonishing to invest so much that i
00:02:12.340 have five kids over it and i was just thinking today like did they really think that i'm doing
00:02:18.160 all this because i was i was like playing with my kids i'm like do they really think i have
00:02:21.600 kids over a kink well then they get super super shocked when they discover that we
00:02:26.220 produced all of our kids yeah that we produced all of our kids with ibf they're like oh that
00:02:30.880 well that undermines the entire thesis but they they which they were very confused about right
00:02:39.080 like it is it and and and then today i have this realization oh my god i assumed that they just
00:02:48.840 didn't understand or they were trying to cast aspersions on us or they were trying to be
00:02:57.340 edgy in some way about this but then when i started to think about it more i was like but 0.65
00:03:03.660 wait a second this is a trans person if they're trans over a kink which a good portion of the
00:03:11.160 trans community appears to be in their own stated things they're like if you if you go to the you
00:03:15.940 know trans reddit and stuff like that they're like well of course like arousal is part of this
00:03:20.240 and blah blah blah blah blah now they have tried to define it as not a kink tried to define it but
00:03:24.800 if you look at the actual written experiences of trans people going through gender transition
00:03:28.840 many of them talk about it as something that is partially arousing to them this is incredibly
00:03:34.220 well documented in trans people talking about their own lives right and in addition to this
00:03:38.580 we have entire trans communities where when you because i actually read like the trans maxer
00:03:43.880 manifesto right trying to get people to trans max and this is clearly a gender transition
00:03:49.200 modification transformation kink in in even the way it's structured it's like wouldn't it be so
00:03:54.800 hot if x y and z and d right you know so i read through these things and i'm like if this person
00:04:03.280 transitioned over partially an arousal pattern yeah that's actually how they live right they
00:04:10.720 really are living their entire life their entire reproductive future which i guess to me i think
00:04:18.460 of as like one of the core impacts you have with your life was decided potentially downstream of
00:04:27.540 an arousal pattern and i saw this and i was like i had just never considered to take what they were
00:04:34.640 saying at face value it just seemed so insane to me that an individual could say all of this
00:04:40.700 that it didn't enter my mind as no they might actually mean this
00:04:48.480 and i think once we accept that yes they do actually mean that you can begin to understand
00:04:57.260 so many other things about modern leftist philosophy thoughts before i go further simone
00:05:03.940 no although i am curious if this ties in with your concept of the techno puritan sin of
00:05:12.000 living to fulfill an identity versus living to maximize an objective function well i mean i
00:05:18.460 think it's it's both i mean their transness is obviously it breaks like all of our sins
00:05:22.820 but one they're living to fulfill an identity and other people's perception of them which i 0.95
00:05:27.440 see the fundamentally faint vain way to live you can just you know choose to live however you want
00:05:32.360 live right and and say what matters is my effect on the world not whether or not i appear a certain
00:05:38.440 way in other people's minds like obsessing over that we argue is sinful where sinfulness are just
00:05:43.140 things that up your life in the long run but second it's sinful in that it's and i think that
00:05:51.080 it's it's living your entire life after an arousal pattern like we don't even we don't even put into
00:05:57.160 our sins living your whole life in the pursuit of happiness because we say happiness is a choice
00:06:02.020 right? So you don't need to pursue it. It's something that you should sort of grab and
00:06:07.780 subdue. You choose how you interpret the things around you in life. And when you realize that
00:06:14.380 this is sort of like higher form of happiness, like, am I content with myself? Am I moving
00:06:17.900 forward that it's a choice? Well, then the only sorts of happiness you have are the basal forms 1.00
00:06:22.160 of happiness. You know, this is like eating whatever food you want all day, every day,
00:06:27.020 right or just having constant orgies or engaging in huge life-changing behavior to fulfill arousal
00:06:34.460 patterns right which are just a basal sort of breeding thing in the background of all human
00:06:39.760 biology that really shouldn't affect any sort of a daily choice and this is where it all got really
00:06:44.940 interesting for me because if i am listing like my unusual arousal patterns or kinks or anything
00:06:51.900 like that and i have argued in the past that a breeding fetish is about the only thing in the
00:06:56.320 world that is not actually a fetish right what the entire arousal system is built to get you to do
00:07:04.160 about anything else that arouses you is ancillary in something misfiring all non-procreative sex is
00:07:10.920 a fetish or some kind of weird kink i guess but anyway of my list of like things that really
00:07:18.260 turned me on the wider category of breeding fetish content is actually one of those things
00:07:25.980 for me it's not my top thing but it's probably number two but with that it's popularity like
00:07:32.260 if you look at just sort of top ranked tags and stuff in erotic material for men specifically
00:07:38.140 that's kind of the thing in women i just don't see it that much actually for like female content
00:07:44.340 which is interesting do you not see it a lot in female content i mean sort of being forced to 0.61
00:07:51.760 breed you see in female content like not really actually handmaid's tale and stuff like that like
00:07:56.320 the no because even then if you actually look at the books most or most if not many of the men 0.79
00:08:02.780 are themselves infertile so oh really yeah yeah like there are issues with like some of the 0.66
00:08:09.400 doctor is being like well i will i will inseminate you because i know for a fact this guy is infertile
00:08:16.340 and he doesn't know it but you know you should just therefore let me f you and then yeah so it's 0.95
00:08:21.500 wait but isn't that a kink in itself isn't that part of the breeding kink no i don't think so
00:08:26.460 anyway i don't she go in handmaid's tale i just don't think that i haven't read the books i only
00:08:31.900 know from like some summaries and stuff that i've heard but like there's not a lot of actually
00:08:36.940 getting pregnant going on like some some of the ancillary characters go through pregnancies and
00:08:41.380 stuff but i guess it like once you get pregnant and have a kid all of the sexy stuff after that 0.99
00:08:46.540 pregnancy is yeah that's that that is where for maybe a majority of women i don't know like 1.00
00:08:52.940 sort of arousal and and like stuff being sexy just dies with pregnancy and with newborns being around 1.00
00:09:02.100 so typically with female erotic material it is there are no children around like if she gets 1.00
00:09:08.820 pregnant in book one and now in book two she's raising a newborn like all of the other sexy 0.81
00:09:13.260 stuff starts to get weird and you have to keep in mind pregnancy is while a beautiful thing often
00:09:19.000 very uncomfortable like you're not aroused when you want to vomit you're not aroused when you have
00:09:24.740 intense nerve pain you are not aroused when you feel incredibly large and when your legs are
00:09:29.080 swollen and when you look like you know a watermelon right like not there's nothing like
00:09:34.600 no first i'm sure there's always exceptions right i'm sure there's some women who feel 1.00
00:09:38.320 incredibly sexy and have really high sex drive and everything when they're pregnant and when 1.00
00:09:41.720 they have newborns and whatever right like all these things are possible however no like and
00:09:46.080 i've i've consumed like so much erotic material both targeted at men and women it's power dynamics
00:09:55.220 it's getting high powered men it's high status men it's and and a lot of like just the more
00:10:01.080 general focus it like really hot men men who've always had a crush on them men who really like
00:10:08.000 pleasuring them it's never i'm going to get the pregnant like that actually if anything could
00:10:13.200 possibly be on average a turnoff for women which is really interesting but yeah i do not like it's 0.95
00:10:18.560 super common in male oriented stuff not in female oranges that makes sense that makes sense so the
00:10:23.980 point i was getting to here is even as somebody who like would just admit if you consider the
00:10:31.240 idea of impregnation being hot a kink right or your partner being pregnant a kink right like i 0.88
00:10:39.160 always think she looks better when she's pregnant if you consider that a kink and i'm saying me 0.99
00:10:45.420 even as somebody who would have both of those things being in like my kink category they have 0.96
00:10:52.660 never activated around my actual children's birth right that's true yeah they they have never because
00:11:00.520 i don't like even i will point out and this is maybe getting a little bit too tmi but like even
00:11:07.760 before we realized we had to do ivf when we were just you know timing and trying to get pregnant
00:11:12.920 naturally like it actually felt kind of unsexy to when we were actually trying to get pregnant
00:11:17.360 oh god this is like the ovulatory window like we have to do it now i'm like no i completely agree
00:11:22.180 it was really unsexy like yeah having sex to conceive is like stressful and not yes you're
00:11:30.460 on a schedule you've got to work it into unusual times yeah you've got to like it is it is it's 0.70
00:11:36.860 typically like women aggressively like when men aren't ready for it being like i need you to like
00:11:42.140 come inside me now and like just getting really intense about it and like i even like even i
00:11:46.800 remember your again not tmi but like i remember your dad at a steakhouse being like yeah like
00:11:52.160 it was really stressful when your mom was trying to conceive because she'd just be like call me up
00:11:56.200 and be like you have to come home from work now and like just like it's not fun for the men like
00:12:00.900 it's very clearly not fun for anyone but i'm the point i'm making here is even with somebody with
00:12:06.120 all of the layered kinks that could be associated with a breeding kink right um never was that
00:12:12.740 process unusually arousing for me if anything it went in the exact opposite direction ironically
00:12:18.660 it fell into and this might have been a competing like anti-kink i have of of the long procedures
00:12:25.920 and everything like that and a lot of whatever the point being is it never influenced me or
00:12:31.960 wanting to have kids even though i may feel like my wife looks even more beautiful when she's
00:12:38.860 pregnant right that would never ever in a billion years factor into my decision to get her pregnant 1.00
00:12:46.940 because that's just like a minor modification into how attractive i find her maybe like a 1.00
00:12:53.100 i find her 10 20 more attractive for nine months and then she has a child i need to raise for the 1.00
00:13:01.980 rest of my life right like and then and then 18 years that would be insane yeah and just to hammer 1.00
00:13:11.200 this home further even though i find her more physically attractive when she is heavily pregnant
00:13:16.720 i do not have sex we do not have sex when she is heavily pregnant and people can be like oh it's
00:13:21.180 totally safe for the baby whatever i'm like actually there have been cases where baby has
00:13:26.480 have died or suffered injuries during it it is incredibly rare but it is absolutely possible
00:13:32.940 um and i would never in a million years forgive myself in a million years imagine you knew that
00:13:40.960 Like, I'm not going to do something where I might have to live with the fact for the rest of my life that I know I killed one of my kids because I wanted to get off and she couldn't even get pregnant that day.
00:13:53.200 What are you talking about? 0.98
00:13:54.720 That's so disgusting. 1.00
00:13:56.920 I know some people are like, well, I just wouldn't have sex if I couldn't have sex with my wife all the time when she's pregnant. 0.99
00:14:02.180 Whatever. 0.98
00:14:03.220 Okay? 0.91
00:14:03.460 i'm just pointing out here that it's actually instances in which i cannot have sex with her
00:14:08.920 because i'm worried about the safety of my children even if it's a 1.0001 thing i'm not
00:14:14.000 taking that chance that would be absolutely insane but then weirder than and i and i actually
00:14:21.300 like i want to communicate this to these people and i when i originally was thinking through this
00:14:25.760 i was like well think of it this way like even if you have like some bdsm related kids personally
00:14:31.200 i'm aroused by being in a dominant position when i'm with my partner really getting a list of kings
00:14:35.300 i have today oh boy i have aroused i have never been aroused by being a boss right i have never
00:14:40.960 been aroused by having to fire someone i have never been aroused by being in a real world
00:14:47.220 position of authority over someone yeah um for the vast majority of kings to activate them
00:14:55.600 you need to engage in scenarios that are so divorced from anything that actually happens
00:15:03.220 in real life that they're not going to accidentally activate during normal daily stuff.
00:15:10.060 And I think a lot of people would get this, right? Like when I talk about the BDSM thing,
00:15:15.460 most people, I think most people probably have some level of arousal to submission or dominance.
00:15:20.820 Yeah. I mean, in our research, that was just so pervasive.
00:15:24.960 so if you're one of our followers and you're aroused by submission or dominance have you
00:15:29.480 ever actually been aroused by like being someone else's employee or someone else's like go clean
00:15:36.000 the toilets oh yes say that again slowly you're like i mean surely somebody is but i realized
00:15:45.260 what's different for me in them is there are ways that some people with submission fetishes or
00:15:55.380 dominance fetishes relate to being an employee or boss that is sexualized like we do see people
00:16:03.240 engaging in relationships with their boss we're like that's clearly a component to it but that
00:16:08.280 it's the power dynamic it's not the bossing it's the the fact that he is the boss and i'm the
00:16:15.680 secretary and there are definitely plenty of female fantasies around that in terms of like
00:16:20.400 the material that's popular that is certainly common in female or you see this in the case of 1.00
00:16:26.660 like teacher student right like we're yeah no teacher student boss and well and you see it 0.98
00:16:33.080 with male erotic materials too a common one of course is nurse right it's it's one of those
00:16:37.440 places the point i'm making is i'm not talking about an erotic material i'm talking about in
00:16:43.300 real life stuff oh sure yeah but what i realized is that these people who are actually aroused
00:16:51.960 because of this position they have relative to somebody who they are the boss of or who are in
00:16:57.760 a submissive position because they're somebody's employee they relate to their daily duties in a
00:17:05.080 way that is totally foreign to the way I relate to my daily duties oh sure it would never accidentally
00:17:12.160 arouse me to be somebody's teacher right I would never mistake that for this other type of
00:17:19.020 relationship yeah good point and then I realized oh my god it's not just in those instances it's
00:17:27.900 also likely in the instances of how these people like the whole trance thing the the idea that like
00:17:34.200 oh well you couldn't possibly just do something every day all day that's primarily intended to
00:17:40.420 arouse you right the idea of transition itself as being in that category right it's like this
00:17:48.520 is why they do all this weird fetishy stuff all the time that i have found so confusing right like
00:17:54.700 i've always been like why why why do we have who is the the the swimmer the trans leah thomas
00:18:01.520 leah thomas i always talk about leah thomas i'm like why did the trans community support her 0.67
00:18:05.560 flashing male genitals at girls in the girls locker room when neither male or female locker
00:18:10.940 rooms is it normal to fully undress yourself and it hasn't been for the past 20 years it wasn't when 0.97
00:18:17.660 i was in school it's definitely not today and we've been drifting further in that direction
00:18:23.440 so that means that this is somebody who is intentionally flashing people i was like why
00:18:26.960 at the trans community make this person a role model for the community stay on this individual
00:18:31.900 make them the figurehead when they were clearly acting in a way that i would think it's a bad
00:18:35.580 action and then i realized i didn't understand it leah thomas made every moment about what aroused 1.00
00:18:46.000 her walking into the locker room and being like i am gonna make my entire life a sexualized
00:18:52.940 reframing is actually very very normal to people with this mindset
00:18:59.400 and i'll note here i think we see this in the conservative side as well
00:19:06.480 in the conservatives who are just doing this conservative larp and don't seem to have actual
00:19:11.840 like values they're just like i'm the most conservative person out there and that's why
00:19:15.420 when people try to like front on you with this stuff like oh i'm more conservative because i'm 0.90
00:19:20.120 more whatever thing they want to push on you like i hate the gays more the jews more that you know 0.97
00:19:25.340 and it's like come on the communists did that stuff too you're bad at being a conservative 1.00
00:19:28.600 you're an idiot conservative but the the the conservatives who who go with that i'm a more 1.00
00:19:34.780 trad version of a christian you're just like really involved in being a scripture nerd so 1.00
00:19:39.560 like what are you some nerd about studying trying to get the exact right words in a way that makes
00:19:45.640 sense why can't you just believe whatever i was told christianity was when i was growing up and
00:19:50.520 i'm like well because i actually want to believe what's true and they're not interested in what's
00:19:54.480 true they're interested in what fits this theming and then we see it affect in their actions like
00:20:00.360 the couple the famous conservative couple where their marriage was breast by the pope and she
00:20:04.520 was cheating with her boss the whole time right breast by the blessed apparently though there
00:20:10.820 it's what what happened actually in that case is apparently you can like show up in a certain
00:20:15.640 place when you get married like at at in the in vatican city and the pope will be there and like
00:20:22.280 bless a bunch of people all at once so it's not like they made some kind of special appointment
00:20:26.380 with him they like right but it was showed up it's like showing up in a mardi gras parade and
00:20:30.600 getting mardi gras beads thrown at you just just to like put that in context no no no i i look and
00:20:36.280 again i wouldn't even as much as i might be anti-catholic i'm not going to besmirch the pope
00:20:41.180 for accidentally blessing somebody who wasn't true to their belief system right yeah yeah well plus
00:20:46.740 with the catholic church there's always redemption so don't worry about it all right but i'm just
00:20:50.060 saying even even if it was personally organized i would still that that's not but the point is
00:20:56.480 it was still a big show of look at how x i am and what i realized is that actually when you
00:21:04.620 live your life based around maximizing an identity rather than a consequentialist value system,
00:21:11.860 you can be aroused by these sorts of positions, even if you're a conservative, right? The reason
00:21:20.080 why a teacher may be aroused by being in the role of a teacher relative to a student or the role of
00:21:26.300 a boss relative to their employee is because they are maximizing and they identify as teacher.
00:21:33.220 That's what they're doing.
00:21:34.280 I'm trying to be the most teachery teacher right now.
00:21:37.780 And so that allows me to, if that's what's hitting the arousal pathway, then that hits
00:21:43.780 it for me, right?
00:21:45.520 But if I'm going out there and as a boss, as I've always done as a boss, my job is to
00:21:49.480 make money for my investors, right?
00:21:52.000 Like never, and not screw over customers and not screw over my employees, but like that's
00:21:57.500 always the calculation running in my head.
00:21:59.640 It's never, I'm a boss.
00:22:01.180 i can do the you know i'm a boss song here
00:22:04.000 but like i'm never thinking like i'm the bossiest boss hey i'm buddy i'm the boss
00:22:16.000 buddy can you deal with the customers for a minute i need to go home and watch the rachel
00:22:20.440 ray show that's my sister grace she's not the boss i'm the boss
00:22:24.220 buddy i accidentally dropped all the cakes in the toilet i'm the boss but anyway
00:22:29.600 about making cakes but anyway it's never how i perceive myself in those moments i'm just a tool
00:22:36.700 of trying to achieve a specific outcome and i realized that i think many progressives so there's
00:22:43.680 sort of two people here who get sucked into this in ways that were one before foreign to me but now
00:22:50.420 make a lot more sense one is the progressives who just like intentionally are pleasure maxing their
00:22:55.020 lives yeah and and i think you see this sometimes as conservatives but it's fairly rare just like
00:22:59.540 the only thing i live for is what arouses me and what makes me feel good and if if and these people
00:23:04.900 can fall into various categories obviously if they are most impacted by arousal systems they
00:23:11.700 may go down the trans pathway they may go down some other lifestyle pathway like the furry pathway
00:23:16.760 or something like that or they may go down all these various things that they could go down
00:23:21.400 and actually this is an interesting point to me which is really important for me in terms of how
00:23:25.800 i see something like furries when people tried to the left tried to take lola bunny and make lola
00:23:33.340 bunny less sexy there was a big online outrage that predominantly happened on the right and what
00:23:39.840 that showed me is a lot of people find anthro characters attractive right like apparently this
00:23:47.000 normalized enough that like right-wing influencers were like how dare you desexualize is this true
00:23:53.660 i mean it just they they made a humanoid character sexy like how is that a sexy character that's
00:24:03.620 humanoid is sexy like how is that it's not like people are into animals well yeah that's what
00:24:09.480 they're trying to do they're trying to make the character activate the part of your brain for at
00:24:15.380 least people without very strict counter systems look like a slightly modified version of a human
00:24:21.040 and because people like diversity and sexual partners which we've actually seen from genetic
00:24:26.800 selection events that happened in environments where mate selection was really important like
00:24:32.400 in northern europe we have another episode where we go more into this like our redheads monster
00:24:36.260 girls but like in forgot about that in these environments you begin to have these really
00:24:41.360 unusual dimorphic traits like bright red hair and different eye colors which by the way you don't 0.98
00:24:48.400 have in most of the world you do not have varying hair colors you do not have varying eye colors
00:24:52.080 you only have these in these very explicit northern european environments and because of that
00:24:57.360 or that just shows me that you know historically at least within populations that i'm related to
00:25:03.340 liking somebody who looked in some way novel like a ginger looks very novel you know to to a a roman
00:25:10.780 you bring a redheaded ginger in and they wouldn't look any more different from the average human 0.98
00:25:17.400 woman than a girl with horns or elf ears in fact they probably would have looked more different 0.94
00:25:23.040 from the average human woman to a roman who captured a redheaded slave was was that was a 0.99
00:25:28.660 ginger than your average elf in fantasy fiction looks to your average human in fantasy fiction
00:25:35.200 but the point i was making here is that there is something very different from just saying like
00:25:40.680 oh something's arousing to me like that's a category of like anthro figures is arousing to
00:25:45.060 me and being a furry because it's how you're relating to this arousal pathway but when you're
00:25:50.400 a furry you're saying this is going to be my identity i'm going to go to cons around this
00:25:55.260 i'm going to invest a ton of money in this i'm going to incorporate this thing that arouses me
00:26:01.580 into my core idea of who i am and i would say of the list of techno puritan sins let's definitely
00:26:09.700 add this one it's like one of the higher sins you can commit of of trying to incorporate an
00:26:15.100 arousal pathway well no i think trying to incorporate any emotional pathway into your
00:26:20.740 identity is true toxic it that's not the point your identity should be something that is meant
00:26:28.020 to maximize your objective function that's it but there are two by the way for people when she talks
00:26:34.680 about objective function that means the things that you believe have intrinsic value like a
00:26:38.420 weighted list of things you think are good for humanity or that you're commanded to do by God
00:26:43.220 or, you know, whatever else, right? Like you have a, a, a thing that you as a human are made to do
00:26:48.560 when you believe that, right? And even, even if you think the thing that you are meant to do as
00:26:53.460 a human is maximize your own pleasure, pursuing pleasure in the way that these communities do
00:27:03.540 rarely maximizes your own pleasure actually like let's look at furries as an example of this if
00:27:08.600 you look at the suicidality risk if you look at the unaliving risk among furries it's incredibly
00:27:13.820 high you look at the depression risk it's incredibly high when you do this form of
00:27:20.440 hedonism maxing it ends up eating away at your actual contentedness because it's just not how
00:27:27.380 humans were designed to live it's like even if i enjoy candy if i do nothing but eat candy every
00:27:34.620 day for breakfast lunch and dinner i am going to feel much worse you know like pleasure maxing even
00:27:41.680 though candy make me feel good candy not root to long-term pleasure maxing well in fact when
00:27:48.660 when we discussed like is there a cure for gay and the pragmatist guide to sexuality from what
00:27:55.600 we could see in the research the only way you could really make someone not want to indulge in 0.97
00:28:00.560 any same-sex activity is to just inundate them so much with gay sex that they like just can't 0.54
00:28:09.180 take anymore now obviously same-sex attracted people can suppress this arousal pathway right 0.66
00:28:15.020 like there's arousal pathways i suppress all the time but the the point i'm making here is we're
00:28:20.360 we're building out three categories. So category one is the people who are captured by an identity.
00:28:28.000 And this identity can be tied to an arousal pathway or not. But I think even if you don't
00:28:32.940 go into it as tied to an arousal pathway, like the Christian influencer who saw himself as like
00:28:37.900 a boss or a superior to this person and like the big tough Christian influencer guy, he became
00:28:43.320 captured by this identity in a way that ended up triggering arousal pathways that made him move
00:28:47.500 against his core moral thesis right or his objective function as we would say but then the
00:28:52.900 second category is the true i'm gonna eat candy every day person and this is this is where you
00:28:58.640 get you know that the hayes influencer this is where you get the healthy at every size people
00:29:03.440 this is where you get the the trans extremists right or it's just i'm gonna live my entire life
00:29:09.940 based around whatever can make me this is where you get the people crashing out on twitter because
00:29:14.520 the government won't give them pre pre we had a whole episode it was one of our crazy prep yeah
00:29:20.380 we learn how much the government pays on prep which is only useful if you're having orgies
00:29:25.380 like if you have a monogamous partner because of how good anti-aids medication is now but prep's
00:29:29.920 just largely so not not exactly orgies but more specifically like a lot of one-off partners new
00:29:36.200 partners who you can't really bet who you can't necessarily trust to say yeah i'm taking the
00:29:41.920 correct medication etc then that's what prep is for yeah it's for like the most unsafe and
00:29:48.240 irresponsible form of sex that you could have regardless of your orientation and the fact that
00:29:52.940 the government's paying for that is somewhat annoying yeah well no government isn't paying
00:29:59.340 for it you're paying for it you the viewer of base camp are paying for it well if you live in
00:30:03.840 the united states yeah well i think most of europe gives prep too for free i think you know
00:30:09.080 definitely need to cut prep and people like well these people can't control them they should be
00:30:14.280 able to control themselves and then they're like and what if they get aids and we shouldn't pay for
00:30:17.320 that either then they can die right like whatever can happen to consequences right like don't do x
00:30:26.100 thing because it can lead to y thing right like that should be on them to know i shouldn't have 0.98
00:30:34.100 the orgy i should just step back from the orgy right like a little less orgy but yeah thoughts
00:30:40.520 yeah i i'm i'm trying to reconcile this in my head with the stated 0.96
00:30:49.980 purpose of becoming trans which is you know you feel like you're born in the wrong body
00:30:55.720 and you're just trying to resolve severe body dysmorphia the the mainstream opinion
00:31:01.840 on the left as I understand it is that this has nothing to do with your sexuality and it has
00:31:08.140 everything to do with who you feel you are which I guess we would probably say is a misnomer like
00:31:15.180 your identity doesn't matter anyway it doesn't matter who you are you should just make the most
00:31:20.420 of whatever you've been dealt and optimize it around your objective function and if you're
00:31:25.200 suddenly born tomorrow or like you wake up tomorrow and you're totally different it's not
00:31:29.960 like, okay, well, I need to fix, fix this to how I feel. I need to just live like, okay, this is my
00:31:36.720 body now. Like, okay, now I'm a rabbit person. Okay. Then I'll just do that. In fact, I think
00:31:40.440 you could argue that everyone has to do this throughout their lives because one day you're
00:31:44.860 going to wake up and you're going to be 40. And I think a lot of people are like trans young,
00:31:49.720 right? Like they're 40 and they act like they're 12 and that's just not, not ideal. You know, 1.00
00:31:56.500 they should be leveraging the identity that they've woken up in, in an optimal way. And I
00:32:02.420 think nevertheless, what the argument is with identity and being trans is that they feel like
00:32:10.480 they're in the body of someone with different natal sex and they have to fix that, that it has
00:32:16.280 nothing to do with sex. I'm trying to ever like, it's like, it's very normal to not feel like you're
00:32:21.900 an adult right like this is a normal thing just because i don't know or to not want to be an adult 0.94
00:32:27.400 like i mean all the women who are getting elective cosmetic procedures to look younger are trans
00:32:32.600 young you know that they are also getting gender affirming surgery and and youth affirming surgery 0.94
00:32:37.640 when identity affirming surgery exactly which again we would say is sinful but i don't for 0.88
00:32:43.440 women many would you could argue oh they're doing it for sex because they want to attract partners
00:32:47.980 i don't think they're doing it for sex i so i don't know if if the trans thing is really about
00:32:54.320 sex i mean so i'm trying to parse that out because also there's this very common thing
00:32:58.120 in in like trans discourse to say no being trans is not expressing autogynephilia they're totally
00:33:04.580 different things there's almost this like disavowal of people with autogynephilia like
00:33:09.060 it's not a sex thing there is not at all a disavowal in the actual trans community so this
00:33:14.960 is something that they that they signal very loudly to outsiders but to insiders it's widely
00:33:21.060 accepted okay but you don't deny that it's signaled loudly to outsiders no it is signaled loudly to
00:33:26.540 outsiders but if you actually hang out on their forums they'll talk about this arousing them all
00:33:31.180 the time in fact there was even a giant fight within the trans community like 10 20 years ago
00:33:37.020 so like even before it blew up between the the people who said being trans is about gender 0.93
00:33:42.000 dysphoria and these were called true scum and the people who said no being trans is about whatever i 0.54
00:33:47.220 want which is the people who are called the two q's and the whatever i want well it often wasn't 0.98
00:33:53.680 explicitly laid out was generally autogynephilia or some form of kink or arousal pathway right
00:34:02.060 like that that was well understood if you look at the leaders of the whatever i want community
00:34:07.160 and the stuff that they were caught with whenever they had leaks or anything like that right you
00:34:11.540 know but yeah what was the point you were making around this i mean my point is like that it's not
00:34:18.180 about sex that you're saying well a breed people who have a lot of kids don't have a breeding kink
00:34:23.040 but people who are trans have a kink that they're exercising every day which is why they think that
00:34:28.980 people who have a lot of kids have a breeding kink and i'm trying to push back and say i don't know
00:34:34.020 i don't know if people who are trans think it's very sexual at all either in fact i would argue
00:34:38.700 that especially people who are male to female trans are if anything experiencing a significant
00:34:45.040 drop in sexual arousal because it's testosterone that's the huge sex driver and they're like trying
00:34:50.780 to kind of nuke that out have you read or spend any time reading like the trans subreddit or any
00:34:57.420 community not in a very long time to be fair not for a long time very common to talk about this in
00:35:03.540 those communities and they are not shamed for talking about this in those communities it is
00:35:08.640 seen as a normal part of transition and people would say it's very wrong to shame somebody for
00:35:15.160 being aroused due to something tied to their transition and they'll always say well like of
00:35:20.060 course we don't signal this to outsiders but within the community we know what's up right like
00:35:24.660 i think that to to over buy into this externalized like the too cute versus true scum war
00:35:32.760 obviously happened if you do an internet search it obviously happened it's it's one of the biggest
00:35:38.920 parts or cultural fights within the growth of modern leftism and the movement that came out 0.98
00:35:46.100 of tumblr right and pretty much no one denies that the the true scum lost true scum now are 0.93
00:35:54.940 seen as adjacent to turfs right like they're they're seen as sort of similar in the same way 0.96
00:35:59.440 that like turfs were sloughed off by the feminist movement as the wrong kind of feminists the true 0.97
00:36:04.460 scum were sloughed off by the trans movement as the wrong kind of trans so i i think that 0.98
00:36:10.240 yeah they're aware that this is for them and this actually even came up in the conversation with the 0.98
00:36:16.280 journalist and i was like you know obviously i wouldn't want to live my entire life just to
00:36:21.060 maximize the amount of pleasure i i feel and they said something along the lines of well you know
00:36:26.080 speak for yourself implying that like this is actually how they structure their life yeah
00:36:30.080 so even in that context Simone you saw the individual doing this that's fair that is fair
00:36:37.820 yeah so I think that the the thing is is even if or the wider context here even if somebody has
00:36:46.660 all of the fetishes around that presumably this lifestyle should be activating it doesn't work
00:36:54.220 to activate them it's a very ineffective way if you out there as an individual are thinking
00:36:59.920 i want to have a lot of kids because of a fetish there's places for that there's like known sperm
00:37:05.300 networks appear to be primarily fetishes from what i think oh yeah that's true that is true
00:37:10.940 yeah the people who just make themselves available for sperm donation totally that seems to be about
00:37:16.720 a breeding king i like elon what he's doing seems to be partially potentially motivated by a breeding
00:37:22.660 kink just the way that he's doing it instead of doing it all with one woman in surrogates which
00:37:27.340 he could do if he wanted to he does it with lots of women who he treats as disposable which is
00:37:34.300 often part of a breeding kink right so that looks like i know he doesn't treat all of them as 0.51
00:37:40.700 but some of them he clearly does like it's like i hit up a girl on twitter she's interested i
00:37:45.860 impregnate her there's other ways he could achieve the same scale with significantly less legal
00:37:51.080 liability with the money that he has right so there's something motivating this outside of just
00:37:56.020 logic but that said maybe he's like ideologically against using using what's the word surrogates
00:38:03.280 surrogates yeah ideologically no no okay so yeah because he's known to have used surrogates so
00:38:09.900 like if i had elon level money i would have a uh like a facility in some third world country like
00:38:15.640 in india i don't know south america brazil something like that um there'd be like ender's
00:38:19.880 raising like 50 kids per year in the best conditions i could afford for them but at scale
00:38:25.880 which is obviously very different than the past elon has taken or maybe it allows him to operate
00:38:30.460 at a scale that like even we're unaware of that would make this make sense but what i'm making
00:38:35.580 here is is that the the breeding kink is generally not tied to and then you raise a family of like 10
00:38:44.820 kids very true and i and i and i'd actually point this out to the trans community like the trans 0.59
00:38:50.560 community that is watching this and crashing out over me saying this you you know like breeding 0.65
00:38:55.720 kinks are common in the trans community like for example anna valence had a breeding kink remember
00:39:00.580 she wanted to like there were so many there were so many things the writer who dunked on leaflet
00:39:07.580 and kersha but anyway so anna valence was like oh i have this fantasy where i free use women 0.98
00:39:12.900 and impregnate them like that means just having sex with lots of women and impregnating them and 0.99
00:39:16.700 then trans women should have free access to cis women to just use them and impregnate them now 0.99
00:39:21.620 this is clearly a breeding kink but it is antithetical to and then i raise those kids 1.00
00:39:28.180 it's the exact opposite of that breeding kinks are at least from what i've seen in terms of like 0.97
00:39:34.320 what's out there almost always tied to and then i move on it's almost more correlated with
00:39:42.600 sneaky copulation than it is like anything you do with a partner a long-term partner
00:39:49.700 peer-bonding partner where that stuff is often much more motivated by i really like kids let's
00:39:57.520 make the kids right like that's that's the point of the sex and then the sex is all schedules and
00:40:02.600 everything like that and as we said then you basically get to a point where you know having 0.94
00:40:06.620 a nanny is just like a prostitute by proxy right it might be different for religious couples who 0.91
00:40:12.480 just open to having kids meaning that like every time you have sex you're not necessarily trying 0.98
00:40:17.920 to have kids you know god chooses right jesus takes the wheel on that front and then it's not
00:40:23.720 stressful in that way because you're not trying to make it happen you're just open to it happening
00:40:28.080 when it's meant to happen in which case perhaps then it's more of a turn on for the i don't know
00:40:39.240 because they also like people who are you know open open to having kids and and having
00:40:45.780 families in that sort of very natural way tend to also not talk about what arouses them
00:40:53.380 and their sex lives so who knows what's going on in their heads right like
00:40:57.260 who knows if they find it to turn on or not but i think what when you also look at just sort of
00:41:01.800 how it's described biblically like becoming one which really just means like as we interpret it
00:41:06.920 combining your genetics with someone and basically taking what feels like to us shards of our soul
00:41:12.380 and like seeing them in children combined you know really you see yourself both of yourselves
00:41:18.220 in one person after you have a kid in that person you do become one in that kid i think that's more
00:41:25.380 like where you see the expression of love it's not really in the sex act itself or the sex act
00:41:32.560 i'd also note here where a trans person may push back and say well it's not just breeding kinks you
00:41:38.880 know you say that the breeding kink is never associated with a wanting to raise a child
00:41:43.840 right and they're like well what about like daddy dom little girl stuff right you know that's tied
00:41:48.940 to wanting to raise a child and i push back super hard on that i would bet even even people maybe 1.00
00:41:57.180 we could get shoe on head sometime because we know that she was into this kink for a while and now 0.99
00:42:00.380 has a kid i would bet to anybody who's ever been into that king that this is not one of the kinks 0.99
00:42:05.080 i'm into but for anybody who's ever been into that kink having their own kids has never been 0.89
00:42:10.760 arousing to them like interacting with their own kids a one the western mark effect is super strong 0.88
00:42:17.000 that's the thing that makes you unaroused by anyone who's sort of growing up around you at
00:42:21.440 certain developmental milestones but in addition to the western mark effect which is usually with
00:42:26.280 siblings but also affects parents because i mean there there is something that tells you and needs
00:42:31.700 to tell you from a biological perspective people can have hot daughters like people can have
00:42:36.460 daughters that are just objectively attractive and you need to know at some sort of internal level
00:42:42.120 oh i shouldn't be procreating with this thing that happens that system doesn't seem to work
00:42:48.060 in everyone and when you will know where people end up with their daughters most frequently is
00:42:53.520 because you're also more attracted to people you're genetically related to is when the father
00:42:57.140 didn't raise the daughter and this we actually see quite frequently is when a daughter yeah and
00:43:01.400 and when when you have people raised separately because they both have the same like father
00:43:05.320 through ivf because the father is a prolific sperm right but even more than that is when the dad like
00:43:10.700 divorced the mom young or something like that and anyway sure yeah we're not going to talk about
00:43:15.360 that right now the point i'm making here is the daddy dom little girl fetish is very obviously to
00:43:22.540 me in the category of fetishes of power exchange this would be the same as like a nurse fetish or
00:43:28.320 a teacher fetish or like a i'm in control over you in some other way fetish and you have less
00:43:34.580 control than me this is about signaling submission and dominance which is not actually something you
00:43:41.120 do with your kids very frequently i think that people would be surprised about that signals of
00:43:46.760 dominance are just not a part of normal interaction you have with your kids because there's almost a
00:43:52.520 like intuitive understanding with children until they're teenagers at least and that's you know
00:43:58.120 that's a whole other thing right that the the parent is in the authoritative position that it
00:44:04.700 doesn't need to be signaled it's not basically if you have to signal it that means you you've
00:44:09.680 failed already right like you know the the show don't tell kind of thing yeah yeah so that that
00:44:18.600 was sort of my wider thought it just made me realize like oh my god they actually see the
00:44:23.780 world this way and i had just always brought brushed it off it's like a very confusing yeah
00:44:30.060 genuinely either confusing or like they didn't and and there i'll do know they'll clip this and
00:44:35.920 see like he admits it that you know the whole breeding fetish thing is something that that
00:44:41.140 turns him off yeah of course it's what the entire arousal system is meant for but i also have been
00:44:46.940 very clear and i think we'll get other people in the comments who will mention this around
00:44:51.940 whatever fetish they've experienced that there is a big deal difference between something that
00:44:58.020 is a conceptual fetish and something that's going to be accidentally activated by your daily life
00:45:02.700 and i doubt i mean one of the easy ones because this is even anyone who's into like the daddy
00:45:10.300 dom thing ever accidentally been aroused by that was one of their kids right like presumably it
00:45:15.420 should if that's the actual system you're trying to activate but i don't think it is it's the
00:45:19.060 authority figure non-authority figure system which isn't really the relationship you have
00:45:23.440 with your kids the relationship i have with my kids is nothing like the relationship i'd have
00:45:26.880 with like a pupil or something like that yeah yeah no that's it's a good point i'm glad you
00:45:34.040 brought it up because that has always kind of befuddled me and i'm just like i don't know i
00:45:38.420 don't know what to say i don't just it's not but this was worth going into i love you love you
00:45:44.700 him. He's really good at alligators. What do you think, buddy? Thanks, friend.
00:46:14.700 Yeah, you know to push with your knuckles, right?
00:46:21.700 Yeah, why?
00:46:22.700 So you don't get your fingers dirty because you eat with your fingers.
00:46:28.700 Put your backpack all the way over there, come on.
00:46:35.700 I want the bottom floor.