Why Do Studies Show IQ Declining After Gender Transition？
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In this episode, we re looking at the link between puberty blockers and a decline in IQ. We re also looking into the role of the trans community in pushing their own kids on the blockers, and whether or not this is even a problem at all.
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Hello, Simone. I'm excited to be here with you today. Today, we are going to be looking into
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the phenomenon of not just gender transition, but specifically puberty blockers and a significant
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decline in IQ. This is something that most people are broadly aware of as a thing and that the trans
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industry has tried to cover up. Basically, all of the studies done on this before 2010
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found like a one standard deviation decline in IQ or like half a standard deviation.
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I didn't know it was that bad. And that's with puberty blockers, not like full out also
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transition too. Yeah. It's like, it's, it's typically what I've seen is like 15 to seven
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point drop. So pretty big. No. And it, it's even bigger in animals where you will see like a 50%
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decline in, in some animals and stuff like that. So we're not talking about like a trivial drop in
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the bucket or anything like that. We're talking years of lead paint chips. My God, you're right.
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Right. And when you think about everything that parents do, the excruciating attention they put
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into trying to keep their children safe from toxins like this. And then without even thinking
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about it, they're throwing their kids on puberty blockers.
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Worst kids are being told that this is okay and deciding to do it themselves. Like they take your
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kids to a psychologist. We've talked about this over and over again. And the psychologist will assign
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these to them and they'll tell them not to tell their parents. You know, after one meeting,
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we had a friend who this happened to, took his kid to a gender psychologist. Psychologist said to the
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parents and they go, well, we'll have a follow-up meeting in six months where we'll decide if this
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is appropriate. Turns out they'd secretly already giving the kid the prescription. And so-
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Well, even if that doesn't happen, like maybe your doctor's based and is like, you know what,
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this is not your problem. You're looking in the wrong place. The kid can still go online and
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illegally get all the prescriptions they need with very decent ease. There's a very effective,
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well-greased underground railroad for all sorts of hormones.
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Well, yeah, it is because there's a community out there. And this is another thing the trans
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community has loathes to cover up, but I'll play a clip from Turkey Tom that I always love to play
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here where he's going over what was happening in one of the trans servers. There was a group of
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people who get turned on by the idea of finding kids and convincing them to take puberty blockers.
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It's genuinely really good grooming advice. On April 4th, 2023, Postcard reveals he's in contact
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with four minors, age 9 to 13. I've so far sent it to four minors between the ages of 9 and 13.
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I hope it encourages them to transition. When the Oncazone animation became a meme,
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they got excited over its virality among kids. Manadrain and Orion also fantasized about getting
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kids on hormones. Orion was the manager, coercing him every step of the way. This is apparent by how
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he talked about him to others. Has he started hormones yet? Yes, but not effectively. I guess
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it's what you'd expect just telling a retard to buy hormones. They bought estrogen, but no anti-androgen.
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It would have been more fun if he started hormone blockers at like 12. Haha, isn't that true for
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everyone? Don't worry. I'll make him into a good girl. And I mean, this is the thing. It's a real
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thing. You can be like, I'm not like that as a trans person. Fine. You're not like that. But
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that community also exists regardless of whether or not you are like that, right? And so what we're
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going to go over in this episode is the various studies on this, what appears to be the mechanism
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of action here. And then we're going to go over the studies that say that this isn't happening.
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And we are then going to go over who ran those studies who said this isn't happening.
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They become pretty easy to dismiss when you look at who was involved in them.
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No. The big one that the trans community always talks about in this literally was run by the head
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Literally ran and regularly did and their primary source of income and every one of the main authors
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on it, primary source of income was gender transitioning minors. Yeah, I'm surprised that
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they found no effects here. What I do, I talk for a living. What do you talk about? I speak on behalf
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of cigarettes. My mom says cigarettes kill. Really? Now, is your mommy a doctor? No. A scientific
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researcher of some kind? No. Well, she doesn't exactly sound like a credible expert now, does
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she? All I'm suggesting is that there will always be people trying to tell you what to
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do and what to think. There probably already are people doing that. Am I right? Yes. I'm
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here to say that when someone tries to act like some sort of an expert, you can respond
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who says. So cigarettes are good for you? No. No, that's not what I'm getting at. My
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point is that you have to think for yourself. You have to challenge authority. So perhaps
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instead of acting like sheep when it comes to cigarettes, you should find out for yourself.
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But I think it's really interesting to start by looking at animal models. Because with animal
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models, there's no reason to lie about this, right? There's no political motivations or
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anything. Well, at least the pro-trans group can just say, well, it's animal models, so
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it doesn't count. Yeah. No, no. What I mean is you can lose your job. I mean, we know from
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when Travis Dock was closed down that there was a study that they had shut down and never published
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because the results showed that putting kids on puberty blocker increased their chances of
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unaliving themselves and increased risk of self-harm. And they refused to publish it. So we now
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know that if you are a gender transition clinic and you have data that doesn't support what
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you want to support, you're not going to release the study, right? And we know people who have
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had their jobs put on the line for publishing research, which could be seen as critical of
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the trans community because the trans community then goes and tries to get you fired. But if
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you're studying this in sheep or something, where you actually do need to study this in animals
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or dogs, because you know you might be neutering them or something, what happens when you prevent
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them from going through normal puberty, you can, without any trans activists freaking out and
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coming after you, really get into the nitty gritty of what's going on neurologically here.
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So let's start with Hugh et al. 2017. This is a sheep study. We'll also go into the human studies
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from a while ago because they were also really telling as well, like the pre-2010 ones. The study
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was titled, A Reduction in Long-Term Spatial Memory Persists After Discontinuation of Prepubescent
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GnRH Agnosis Treatment in Sheep. It builds on research examining the effects of diagnostic
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releasing hormones, GnRH treatment, which suppresses the hyposalamic pituitary gonad axis
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on brain function during puberty. The researchers used an ovine sheep model to investigate whether
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impairments in spatial memory observed during active GnR treatment reverse after discontinuation.
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So the point here being, if it's taken as a given within sheep studies, that if a sheep
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is put on puberty blockers, basically, the sheep will have a severe impairment in spatial
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memory. And what they're trying to study in this paper is, does that continue after the
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treatment is stopped? Or is that only while they're on the treatment that this falls?
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And I don't care. Are they sending the sheep through mazes? What are they doing?
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Yes. Okay. Sheep mazes. Literally through mazes. It's sheep mazes, yes. But funny, funny here is
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people might be like, oh, come on. You know, this is a conservative propaganda or anything like that.
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Like people don't get dumber when they gender transition. And I'm like, okay, except watch our
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video, The Wachowski Effect. Why is it that there are so many instances of famous individuals who,
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then, gender transition and all of a sudden suck at whatever it is they used to be really good at?
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You know, like the Wachowskis, right? Like the first Matrix is awesome. Everything they've made
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since they started transitioning has been hot garbage. Or you look at the case of Veil Guard,
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which is what we were looking at on that. Veil Guard, this horrible, horrible game. Like,
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honestly, the audience got mad at us for that, for making the clips of sections from the game as long
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They said it was particularly painful to watch. The writing was so bad. Oh.
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Um. Ah. They. They're still holding it. Sorry. What are you doing? Pulling a barv. Oh. Okay. A barv?
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There's not always time for big drawn out apologies. So when one of us screws up and we know we've
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screwed up, we do a quick 10 to put it right. Pulling a barv.
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The writers who worked on this also worked on Mass Effect 2. They worked on the older Veil Guards. What
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changed between those games and this game is they transitioned. Oh, no. Yeah. Okay.
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Okay. Hmm. To continue here. The study involved 55 male Scottish mule extral cross rams born in
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spring 2013 divided into control in 30 in GNRH recovery. Now note here, this was all done on
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males, this one here. Treatment consisted of subcutaneous implants of the thing every four
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weeks from eight to 44 weeks of age covering the prepubital period, puberty onset in male
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sheep. Then what happened? Okay. So spatial memory orientation and learning were assessed
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using a maze task at multiple time points. The maze required rams to navigate to a food reward
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with performance measured by traverse times across zones. Key findings included no significant
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differences in spatial orientation or learning traverse times between groups at any age.
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However, long-term spatial reference memory was impaired on the puberty blocking group at 99
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weeks with rams taking 1.5x longer to complete the maze compared to controls. So that's 50% worse
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performance than the controls if you were on puberty blockers in a ram. Note here, this makes
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these severe impairments we're seeing in humans very believable if we know that we're getting
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The effect was independent of gonadal steroids as prior work showed similar outcomes even with
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testosterone replacement. So basically, even if you try to recreate puberty and make them normal male
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sheeps again, the cognitive impairment is persistent.
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Oh boy. Yeah. So you can't, I don't know, realize the error of your ways or decide that you're
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okay to go through puberty now and it's all just going to be fine. Because the story sold to parents
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is this just buys you time. Okay. Like even if you don't support the idea of your kid transitioning,
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you can placate them by putting them on puberty blockers. They'll come to their senses and then you
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can just pick up where you left off. And here is no, no, no. You've just done permanent damage.
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You've done permanent brain damage. Oh my goodness.
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Well, okay. So before we get further in this, I'm just going to give a bit of explanation for
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people who are a little confused as to why this would cause such severe permanent brain damage.
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Yeah. So the reason why the brain damage is so severe is think about how your body goes through
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developmental stages at like, let's say at the embryonic level, right? Yeah. And then after the
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embryonic level, you know, you've got like a toddler who has very different like body proportions than
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like a teenager or an adult, right? They are a, humans sort of undergo an incomplete metamorphosis
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as we age. You know, we think of humans as not doing that, but we really do. A baby, like if you
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sized a baby up to the size of an adult, it would be monstrous. It would look nothing like an adult.
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Oh yeah. Parents like on, on social media, like to post pictures of babies, not being able to touch
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the tops of their heads. Yeah. The proportions are super different. Yeah. But yeah, the babies,
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babies and adults are very, but this is, this is true for the, your, your, the parts of your brain as
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well. Like these morphological differences aren't only on the outside. If you disrupt this sort of
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developmental timeline, which is very hard coded. And it's one of, it was one of the areas I always
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found really interesting in biology. And I was always surprised that, you know, it doesn't,
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it doesn't get a lot of coverage in like American high schools or anything like that,
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but it's developmental biology. Yeah. I never got any of that.
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Yeah. How does your body and how do the bodies of animals sort of change the signals that are
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telling cells to change what they're doing? Right. Like how does the cell in this location know
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that at this age, it needs to turn into or start producing this sort of a thing. Right.
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Did you learn that at St. Andrews? That was, they couldn't have been in high school. Okay.
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I learned that at St. Andrews. I went really, one of those subjects. I mean, I always found
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comparative biology really fascinating, but it's a very delicate process. This is, this is not
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something that you can like button mash, like a heart transfer or something like that. You know,
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like literally cut out a heart, just sew it another heart. Hopefully it works.
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There's more to it than that. Yeah. But I mean, it's, it's, it's, that's sort of what you're doing
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with a puberty blocker. You're, you're trying to button mash human development. Yeah. The moment
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this cycle is disrupted, it can never get back to normal again. And this cycle is in charge of this
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period of brain development. And when you disrupt this period of brain development, I actually think
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that this is why the Zizians were almost this, this cult that came out of the effect of altruist
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community were almost entirely trans individuals. Because if you look at their writings, they weren't
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totally logically coherent. They had these weird beliefs around like multiple hemispheres thinking
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differently. And if you're in the rationalist community, what I actually think sort of made
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their community work is they were people who were brought in before they transitioned. And then they
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were in the rationalist space. Then they transitioned. They had this huge drop in IQ and they were able to
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be poached by sort of this mystic cult type figure. But anyway, to continue here, additional GRNH
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treatment altered progression speeds through specific maze zones in a session dependent manner post
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recovery, faster in breeding season to lower non-breeding season and exaggerated emotional
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reactivity. They had increased anxiety during tasks, which was mitigated by testosterone. Neurobiological
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implications point to potential disruptions in a hippocampal and amygdala function. As GRNH
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receptors are expressed there, the study highlights concerns for clinical GRNH use in conditions like
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central precocious puberty or gender dysphoria, emphasizing the need to consider treatment
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during and potentially irreversible cognitive effects. So more emotional volatility? Did I hear
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that right? Yeah, more emotional volatility. Okay. This is really disappointing because you and I
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like the idea, I mean, not in the context of, of gender transition necessarily, but in, in the idea
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that like we can overcome annoying elements of our human anatomy, right? We can brute force things.
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And yeah, this is, this shows that it is more complicated than just that. You can't just,
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as you say, well, like button mash things. You can't, yeah. Well, there's some things you can
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button mash in human biology. There are some things you can't button mash in human biology.
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Developmental timelines are one of the things you cannot button mash.
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Yeah. I mean, I'm even thinking about it from what I did to myself in my teen years. I didn't
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undergo puberty blockers, but I did starve myself to the extent where I stopped menstruating and
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definitely stopped getting female levels of estrogen and it never came back. So this is, I am like,
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oh yeah, huh. Like I even anecdotally, even personally have seen what turning stuff off during
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adolescence can do, be it through medical interventions or behavioral interventions.
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But no, it also seems to affect adults who get it. When we talk about things like the
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Oh, okay. Cause they didn't take puberty blockers. They just took.
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Yeah. So that, so, so that might be the Wachowski effect, maybe what we argued in that episode with
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this, like having to learn to play a new instrument midway through your life, like your brain,
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Yeah. Or also just having a different hormonal profile will change your reactions to things.
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It will change your drives. It will change what turns you on. So, and you didn't grow up
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So you don't, you don't know how to use it. So, yeah. So it's not necessarily that they,
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they're seeing an impact to intelligence. What you're finding, at least what you've reported so
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far from the research is that the negative intelligence effects are from puberty blockers alone,
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not exogenous introduction of testosterone or estrogen, correct?
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Yes. Yes. And that's what we consistently see in the research is it's mostly if you,
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if you mess with this stuff during puberty. Although it looks like what I did to myself
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was the puberty blocker effect. So maybe I'm dumber now because maybe, maybe you are,
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which means that our kids are going to be even smarter genetically than I would expect.
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Isn't that nice? I was never known for, you didn't marry me for my smarts.
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You got into a graduate school of Cambridge. Okay.
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I may have written that now public information that I drafted your application.
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So many people's graduate school applications when they actually get it.
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Everybody would come to me. They'd be like Malcolm. And I, and I did, I accumulated a lot
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of favors by doing, this was my favorite way to accumulate like undying favor is help people's
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kids get into top graduate degrees. Um, and they come to me and they'd be like, Hey, Malcolm,
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can you help review, you know, edit? Simone wrote the first draft, of course.
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Listen, we're a combined identity anyway. It's not even that dishonest.
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Well, you graduated at the top of your class. So, you know, a hardly, hardly a issue there.
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It's a joke. I haven't, cause she was technically the top of her graduating class
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cause she graduated in a non-normal time period.
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Oh, no, no. Yeah. GW, you were literally the top of your entire class.
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And there was how many people in that? Like thousands?
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I don't know. The graduation ceremony was in their basketball stadium, but I don't
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So Simone, if it impaired your intelligence, if you're somehow smarter than this, that
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No, but when you look at our genetic scores, like on Harris site.
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Oh yeah. I'm like above two standard deviations, above the norm.
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And you're like 1.5 standard deviations above the norm.
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Exactly. Yeah. So we know who the smarter one is anyway.
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I think, I do think that I might have, I mean, considering the research here, I think I am
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one of these people that may be a little, maybe a little derped, a little derped, but processed.
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Yeah. Clearly it hasn't worked out the way you planned.
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All right. All right. Sheep studies. New to written. This is 2014.
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Okay. So this was effects of gonadrotropin releasing hormone antagonist agonist in brain
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development and sheep. And it compiles and expands on previous publications using ovine
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model to examine pre-pubital GRNH effects on brain structure and gene expression and behavior.
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The thesis involved same-sex twin sheep, 41 per study, with one twin treated with gosinin
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actin implants every four weeks from pre-puberty until 50 weeks. Methods include MRI for brain
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volumes, microwave for dream expression in the hippocampus and amygdala, and spatial maze
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tests for cognition and behavioral tests for emotions. Key findings, no overall changes in
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brain volume. And we'll consistently see this, no changes in brain volume, but significant increases
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in amygdala volume, stronger in females, left, right, sex treatment interactions linked to
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emotional processing. Hippocampal volume unchanged, but gene expression altered sex and hemisphere,
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specifically e.g. females, BND, GRN1 for synaptic plasticity, down-regulated BGF and NCAM1
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right hemisphere. Amygdala gene expression showed pronounced changes in females, 432 transcripts left,
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46 right, involving microtubule organization. They became unregulated and anti-apostic mitotic
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processes down-regulated with no major differences in males. Spatial orientation, hippocampus dependent,
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what's unaffected, no treatment differences in maze latency errors, though females perform better
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overall. Behavioral effects included increased risk-taking in treated males and anxiety-like
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avoidance in females. So note here first, basically what you should be taking away is the effects
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throughout the brain are in the structure of the brain, they're in the size of specific parts of the
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brain, and they are in the gene expression that's happening within the brain. So it's basically not
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like you effed up one thing, it's you effed up the entire system. Oh, here's a great way to put it.
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It's like shutting down a computer in the middle of installing a game and then trying to install it
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again. Or, no, better than a game, an operating system. You're halfway through installing an operating
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system and you shut it down and then you're like, but I can just start later. No, you can't.
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It messes everything up unless the system was specifically designed for that potentiality.
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Now note, this persisted post-treatment in a scepter chapter on Alzheimer's models was found
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GRNH effect on amygdaloids plaque contrasting with earlier studies. Implications of this study.
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Purity is a sensitive period for sex-specific brain mutation. GRNH disrupts emotional circulation
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amygdala more than cognitive one's hippocampus with females more affected
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molecularly. This suggests non-reversible changes in neuroplasticity and raises questions for human
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applications as ethical limits prevent direct studies on use. This thesis relates to prior work
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and then they go through a bunch of other studies that found the same thing. Specifically,
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Waujab's 2011 on behavior and Evans et al 2012 on physiology. Basically emphasizing that, okay,
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we can't look at trans use like amygdala, right? We're not dissecting trans people.
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But if we did, this is probably what we'd be finding. Okay? So let's look at studies on dogs.
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Because there's a lot of stuff on dogs because with dogs, we spay and neuter dogs. We can get
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Yeah. No. So ectomy, surgical puberty suppression via removal of donats is common in dogs and often
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performed prepuberatively or paribopuberatively. These studies address cognitive effects in aged
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dogs with conflicting results. 1871 cohort study of 139 dogs, aged 11 to 14, 29 intact males, 47
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castrated males, 63 spayed females, used owner surveys to assess age-related cognitive impairment
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across categories like orientation, social interactions, house training, sleep weight
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cycles, etc. Sexually intact males were significantly less likely to progress from mild to severe
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impairment over 12 to 18 months compared to gonadless dogs in both sexes. This suggests gonad
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directory. Keep in mind, we didn't do this with our dog. Our dog is fully intact, which causes some
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problems if you're taking her out or something like that. But she's a very smart dog. So maybe this is
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in part Y. May accelerate cognitive decline, potentially due to loss of protective sex hormones
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like testosterone. The study hypothesized a similar effect in females from estrogen,
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but lacked enough intact females to confirm. A 2016 cross-sectional study of 455 dogs, so again,
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a fairly large sample size. Yeah, that's super decent. Yeah. And so Wallachia used a validated
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questionnaire to evaluate risk factors of canine cognitive dysfunction, CCDS, similar to dementia.
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While age was strongly correlated with CCDS, reproductive status, intact versus neutered,
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showed no significant impact. This contrasts with another study that showed an increased cognitive
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decline risk. So interesting here. This is one that shows you're not at more of a list of
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Alzheimer's, at least. Additionally, a 2018 study on spatial navigation of 56 dogs found that gonad
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or dis-sized dogs both sexes preferred simpler egonocentric strategies, body-centered turns,
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over more complex allocentric ones using external cues in T-maze tasks. Over-racectomized females were
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especially likely to use egocentric strategies. While this doesn't directly show a drop in intelligence,
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it implies that gonadocentric may bias dogs for its less cognitively demanding approaches,
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potentially showing reduced flexibility. So not great, not great. Now we're going to get into
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mice studies. And what I'll notice with mice is we do not actually see a drop in intelligence in mice.
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Did you want to know? Oh, good for them. So what happens to mice? Okay. A 2021 study
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treated post-puberty mice starting at six weeks with daily lupolide, that's a GRNH agonist, for six weeks.
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Okay. No impairments were found in contextual fear discrimination, a hippocampal memory test tied to
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cognition. However, sex-specific behavioral changes occurred. Males showed altered social
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preference and increased stress responses, while females showed increased despair-like behavior
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and hypergaphasia. This suggests potentially effective impacts, but no direct cognitive drop.
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So here, no, you don't get a cognitive drop in mice, but women get depressed and males become
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incredibly anxious and increased stress responses. It's despair-like behavior. That does not sound
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good. It's despair. I'll note here when people are like, this saves lives. We now know this isn't
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true. You can look at our video, the Atlantic or the left is turning on the trans community,
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because it's on this article on the Atlantic that goes over all of the evidence. And it showed
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that even the number one trans lawyer in trying to defend this in front of the Supreme Court
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had to admit that there wasn't a single reputable study that showed that unaliving risks were
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decreased by either puberty blockers or gender transition. And we now have an entire country
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that we can use as a natural experiment because the procedure was banned in Britain and the unaliving
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percentage has not gone up in a statistically significant manner within this community.
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So nope, nope, nope. A note here, when we talk about, well, does this community have unusually
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high rates of depression and stuff like that? We do know they do. They have a 40 to 50% chance of
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attempting unaliving once you join this community. So it's really not good.
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Okay. So next one, multiple studies on pivotal gonadidectomy in mice and rats examine behaviors
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like approach avoidance, parental care or anxiety, but not cognition directly. For example,
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oh, they just haven't looked at cognition in mice. Okay. So it might affect the IQ in mice.
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For example, a 2007 study in mice found pre-pubital sham surgery, stress alone reduced context memory
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in adult control males, but actual gonadide surgery enhanced it compared to sham indicating no
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impairment from hormone loss. So at least here, we're not seeing it as bad in that. And in aged
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adult rats, post-puberty gonadidectomy, GRNH agonists like lepidactyne often improve spatial
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memory and learning in tasks like novel recognition or elevated teammates rather than impairing it.
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So here we see, oh, maybe, so look, we're maybe positive. Okay. Maybe in sheep and dogs,
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this is really negative, like a 50% drop in IQ, but in rats, we don't see this. So maybe, maybe in humans,
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we're seeing the same thing, right? Right. That would be great. That'd be so lovely.
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Mule et al, 2001. This is a study on adopted girls with precocious puberty. So this is,
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this is a randomized controlled trial involving 30 adopted children, both boys and girls,
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though the focus was often on girls due to higher prevalence of precocious puberty
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in adopted females with early puberty, short stature. They treated with GRNH agonists,
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specifically treptoplin either alone or combined with growth hormone for three years to suppress
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puberty and promote height gain. The children. Okay. Okay. So this was really
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not about trans stuff at all. Also, it's totally good. It removes all of the politics from it.
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With puberty onset before eight or nine psychological evaluations, including IQ testing
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using the Walshmeister scale for children or similar were conducted before treatment baseline. And after
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three years, the study also assessed behavior via child behavioral checklist, self-perception,
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and family stress. Key findings baseline full IQ averaged around 110. After two to three years
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of treatment, there was an average decrease of seven points with some individuals dropping up to 15
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points. This was statistically significant. The P value was 0.05. So very significant. And the decline
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was attributed to interrupted puberty brain organization, particularly affecting cognitive
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maturation during sensitive developmental windows. No major differences were noted between GRNH alone
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versus combined with growth hormone. Conclusion. The authors suggest the IQ drop may relate to
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halted gonadal steroid effects on brain plasticity, raising concerns for long-term GRNH use in precocious
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puberty. However, no consistent blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But yeah, this is really bad. This is really bad.
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I'm glad you read that off though, because I would never, I wouldn't have connected the two. Like if we
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had a daughter with precocious puberty and we're like, ah, like this is too soon. I could see us getting
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possibly tempted to. Yeah. All the doctors are telling you there's no risks to this stuff.
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Yeah, exactly. So I'm really glad that you pointed that out. Cause we'll be like, nope,
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let it happen. Yeah. So let's look at the Schneider et al 2017 case study on gender dysphoric
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adolescent. Okay. So this is one person. Note that the other study actually had a fairly decent
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sample size as well. 30 children for a study like that is insanely large. Oh yeah.
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Let's look at this one, which is on a one, one child. Okay. Brazilian adolescent. The patient was
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an 11 year old at baseline to sign male at birth. Transgender girl diagnosed with gender dysphoria
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and put on a GRNH agonist, similar to, you know, what they're giving sheep and what we give children
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at baseline, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Key findings, global IQ dropped from 80,
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low average to 71 borderline. This is borderline retarded. Oh boy. Sorry. I didn't make a bad
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situation worse. This is not good. Yeah. It's not just in, in normal intelligence
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person's hits everyone. A 10 point decline in 28 months, working memory indexes fell from 83,
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low average to 68, extremely low at T1 at 15 point drop, then recovered slightly to 74,
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putting them in the, again, the borderline mentally impaired category at T2 processing
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speed declined overall 68 to 74 to 64. These changes were linked to testosterone. Other findings,
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brain white metal fractional atostomy showcased no maturation increase, unlike typical male puberty,
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possibly due to absent testosterone driven changes. Voice fundamental frequency fluctuated,
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but stayed in the female typical range, correlating with hormone levels. No deepening occurred.
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Conclusions. Puberty suppression may impair cognitive maturation, e.g. IQ and memory and brain
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development in adolescence was gender dysphoria pointing to testosterone's role in neuroplasticity.
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The authors noted low baseline IQ may have amplified. Actually, I would think that it would
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dampen the effects. So it is interesting that it, you know, you see the same level and note here,
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this, this case study is showing nearly identical results to the previous study, which would have had
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an average of around 10 point drop. And this is showing around a 10 point drop. It's not like outside
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of the bounds of what we're seeing from other studies in this subject. Yeah. All right. Let's go to the
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Van Gogh's and it's all 1995 cross-sex hormone studies. I don't, I don't know if our audience
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likes to say, do you guys like learning about science and the science they don't tell you in
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school because it's just too naughty to know? Let us know in the comments. Well, I, you know,
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if you are surprised and you're like, wait, if things are really this bad, like the people who are doing
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these, these hormone treatments are, are genuinely monstrous, right? I've been telling people that this has no
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effects and you can just start this back up again. And what I would note here is look at our Joe
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money episode or John money episode on the history of this field and how it started. And what you will
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learn is this is actually fairly normal for this field and has been for a long time. Yes. People
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have agendas and they're willing to say whatever they want to say. Well, I don't think it's, it's that
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they always have agendas. Sometimes I think they started for the right reason. And now to acknowledge
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that this stuff is true would severely like cause them to reflect and be like, Oh my God,
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all those people I thought were the bad people were actually the good guys. And I had been mutilating
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children for decades. And I note here, what I find really chuckle about this is this hormone that we're
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talking about, this being given to these, these minors often, this is the same hormone that when a kid
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in the nineties or eighties presented as the other gender, where they would have been sent to a gay
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conversion camp and given these hormones. So literally the left is now doing what right-wing
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extremists used to do. And I don't oppose them because I switched sides. I oppose them because
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my perspective had been consistent. You shouldn't be taking kids and putting them on puberty blockers,
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you know, whether you're a Christian conversion camp or whether you're some weird trans movement,
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right? Anyway, Van Gogh's in a toll 1995, a cross-sex hormone studies on activating the effects
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of cross-sex hormones in trans adults focusing. Oh, this one is looking on adults, focusing on
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cognitive behavior and shifts. What this one found was, so they use 35 female to male trans individuals,
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starting testosterone and 15 male to female trans individuals.
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Okay. So this is our first one where we're not looking at puberty blockers.
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We're looking at it. Yeah. They were tested before,
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three months after hormone initiation. So what did they find? Female to male testosterone
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showed improved performance, e.g. better 3D accuracy, and male to female on estrogen and
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androgens declined in their spatial ability. So here what you're seeing is just their brains changing
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from a male brain to a female brain. Yeah. And the role that testosterone plays in being a better
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shape rotator, right? Well, I mean, this is something we know. Men are better at spatial
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And so when you give a woman nail hormones, they become better at shape rotating. And I've seen
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this actually with a lot of coders because that requires a lot of knowledge that is adjacent to
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spatial reasoning. And I had a friend who I used to know ages ago, and they have a small YouTube
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channel that not many people watch, but they transitioned. And one of the shows that I found
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very interesting was like an hour and a half from Grant, if I remember correctly. So I spent a lot of time
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going through this and learning about this, but they were complaining that as they transitioned
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into a woman, people started to respect their opinions less in encoding and started to listen
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to them less and started to treat them as an authority less and less. And of course they interpreted
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this as anti-female bias. But when I was reading it, even at the time, like listening to them talk
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about this, I just kept thinking, it sounds like you just got bad at coding as you went through gender
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transition. And they had never considered this. It was very clear that it had never even entered
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their mind as a fleeting thought that what might've happened is that their brain was changing and that they
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were no longer as good at the things they used to be good at. And so this is one of these areas where
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you've got to pay extra attention, even if you're not getting an overall IQ decline because you're
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doing it as an adult, is your profession and specialization in something that your gender
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has helped you achieve. Verbal fluency. Females to males deteriorated, fewer words generated on time
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tasks. Males to females improved. These shifts aligned with masculizing testosterone versus
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feminizing estrogen patterns. Now, note here is this would indicate that the males who transition
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to females, like the Wachowskis, should have gotten better at like writing verbal stuff.
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Yeah, or the writers for Veil Guard, but they got worse. So I don't know if I buy this, right?
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But at the very least, if you're a coder, you shouldn't be looking at doing this.
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So other effects. Increase aggression and sexual arousal in female to male decreases in male to
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female. It's so interesting. Male to female decrease aggression and sexual arousal in male to female
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increase aggression and sexual arousal. By the way, one person asked me, they were like, how can I,
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like I feel trapped in wanting to have sex as a man. I wanted to transition. They said they wanted to
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transition mostly just to decrease how aroused they were all the time, right? Like how much they wanted
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sexuality. And I was like, naltrexone, buddy. Naltrexone, naltrexone, naltrexone. Take naltrexone,
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then masturbate, and you will within a week not want to masturbate or have sex anymore. It's very
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effective. There you go, guys. So, yeah. And you can get it from like Indian providers and stuff like
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that. I'm not saying you should, obviously, not medical advice. Yes, it's not medical advice.
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This is not an endorsement, but it works. And it actually has a bunch of other positive
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benefits. Like it protects against COVID. I've still yet to get COVID. So, you know,
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there's many benefits to naltrexone. It makes you eat less. Like it's been trivially easy for me to
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maintain my diet since I started it. And it prevents you from being happy. So that's really good too.
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Phew. Because you don't want that to corrupt your motivational profile.
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No, God forbid. Okay. Other effects. The, the, the, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay.
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So let's, let's look at what might be causing this. Cause it's like, find really interesting.
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Like it's a, it's a fascinating phenomenon. And obviously in mainstream society, you're not
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allowed to talk about it, you know, in the same way we can't say certain groups are, you know, less
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intelligent than other groups or whatever, right? Like that doesn't exist, but it's just so replicated in
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the research that it's, it's worth talking about. Yeah. So puberty triggers surges in
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estrogen slash testosterone, which reorganize neural circuits via synaptic pruning, myelination,
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and hippocampal amygdala growth. Suppression halts this potentially stunting executive function,
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memory, and IQ maturation. In animal mechanisms included altered dopamine, serotonin signaling,
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and reduced neuroplasticity. Hedges et al. 2018. From cross-sex hormones,
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testosterone activates androgen receptors to enhance spatial cognition, possibly
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via right hemisphere dominant. Estrogen may boost verbal areas, but suppress spatial ones.
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No clear mechanism for overall IQ drop is clear here, blah, blah, blah. Anyway, thoughts, Simone,
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before I go further. It, it seems clear that the effects are different for if you're just going
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on puberty blockers versus as an adult supplementing with estrogen or testosterone. So that's really
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useful to know. Yeah. So let's go into the studies that claim that this isn't a thing. Okay. So a,
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and this is one of the most frequently cited studies in this space, a 2022 study by Vander Moisen et al.
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on 72 transgender adolescents, including puberty suppression,
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showed pre-treatment IQ strongly predicted post-treatment educational achievement,
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odds ratio 1.7 per IQ point, matching general population norms, suggesting no negative interference
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from the treatment. So this guy says no negative interference. Okay. So who was the guy who published
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this? Every single one of the authors of this were affiliated with the center of expertise on
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gender dysphoria at Amsterdam UMC in the Netherlands, a major clinical center providing gender affirming
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care to use. Dave Verne is a prominent figure in transgender use care and co-developer of the Dutch
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protocol. The guy who literally invented the Dutch protocol for people who don't know what the Dutch
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protocol is. That is the idea that when somebody is experiencing gender dysphoria, now typically any form
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of dysphoria, somebody has like body dys dys, dys dys dysmorphia or dysphoria around like,
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wait, like they're anorexic. You don't treat anorexia by telling somebody to go on a diet,
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right? Like that's a crazy thing to do. You know, you try to work them through that
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this is a delusion that they're having and that they will be much more satisfied in the longterm
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if they can get on the other side of this delusion that they're having. The Dutch method was the idea.
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And keep in mind, this was a crazy idea that you, you should engage in this one
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form of dysphoria and only this one form of dysphoria by affirming it even though it's not
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true even though they're not actually women or men by affirming it and then trying to transition them
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into that so the guy who developed that one of the guys who developed that was one of the people
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who wrote this and he was co-chair of ermine abenishi the w pass adolescent center care for
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and author of numerous studies supporting it so i'll note here if you don't know who the w pass
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is or the w pass files there's a huge leak from them that basically showed that they were lying
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to the public and they knew they were lying to the public about transgender care some of the really
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chilling stuff is them saying that kids do not understand the consequences of what they're doing
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and they're like should we like not do this and then they said well they can always just transition
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back later um you know right yes so it's better just to do it anyway like it doesn't matter it
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doesn't matter that they'll never be able to reproduce it doesn't matter that they'll have
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all these effects i got i got paid money cash money right these people these people are living
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large it's basically a cigarette company says smoking cigarettes is fine it literally is like
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that it is literally a cigarette company saying cigarettes are the best this is it's funny that
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you say that but i think that many people will see the entire a lot of the trans science right now
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that's coming out of these centers that are doing the gender transitions for youth as very much the
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equivalent of you know with the you know the leaks and stuff that we've had with the cover-ups that
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we've had like the cover-ups that giving kids puberty blockers was increasing the risk of unaliving and
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and and suit ideation and self-harm out of travestock that this stuff was being covered up is very much
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a the cigarette company's situation yeah a 2023 study oh sorry a study by knowit et al on older trans
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adults long-term ght 20 to 30 years found trans woman scored lower on processing speed memory and
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crystallized intelligence versus cisgender peers but this was explained by depressive symptoms and
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not hormones trans men showed minor memory deficits versus cis women but none versus cis men so i'll note
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here even the individuals who are trying to like stand this right are like oh yeah there was a pretty
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big drop but it was due to depression so let's go into this a bit more right how how much did it drop
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transgender women compared to cisgender women the regression coefficient showed processing speed
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drops this is male to female transition dropped by 52 percent 52 that's enormous and and hormone
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related variables such as male estrogen levels and the duration of gender affirming hormone therapy ght
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which further supported that hormone were not the direct cause so basically what they did is they were
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then like okay how much does people decrease when they're depressed on these tasks well let's associate
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that because these individuals seem more depressed here's the problem with that do you remember the
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animal studies what what did what did what did the puberty blocking males do to their behavioral profiles
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so you can't say that the depression that they were experiencing wasn't downstream of the treatment itself
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in fact animal models suggested is downstream of the treatment itself so you see let's let's look at
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trans women for example versus cisgender women you have information processing speed you had a moderate
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decline epistemic memory you had a large decline and crystallized intelligence you had a moderate decline
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trans women versus cisgender men here you have information processing a small decline episodic memory a moderate
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decline a crystallized intelligent a moderate decline and then in trans men that they showed only minor
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deficit in episodic memory versus cisgender women and no significant difference in episodic memory
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versus cisgender men no notable declines in other domains now note here i actually believe this for
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trans men and the reason i believe this is if they're getting all the benefits that males have overall
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to like intelligence and informational processing they are likely going to benefit even if there is a net
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drop because of the transition itself i could see and then okay how believable is this particular study
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right because the first one can basically throw out the the guys who did this study a a a 2020 meta study
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by karecki et al found no adverse oh sorry this is a separate study i'm going to talk about so a
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separate study at 2020 meta analysis by karecki i call 10 studies on 384 transgender young adults
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found no adverse cognitive effects from ght instead visio spatial ability improved in versus cis females
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trans men with moderate effects on hedges verbal working memory trended better in versus science
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stuff so can you trust this one and this is the one where i'd be like i actually maybe can trust this
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guy you know why i trust this guy because in 2011 jonathan what johansson one of the people associated
00:44:53.200
with this looked at a long-term follow-up study on trans people's post-sex reassignment surgery
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which reported higher unaliving rates and psychiatric morbidity rates compared to the general population
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which is often cited in critiques of gender affirming care so thoughts
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not a great look i mean in general it's worse than we had previously thought we thought in the
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video we did on the wachowski effect that this was just you know okay a problem of people now dealing
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with a totally new world perspective and hormonal profile and hormonally based strengths which are hard
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to adjust to which means you might need to change your career and your strengths are going to be
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different and your weaknesses will be different this is showing it goes a level beyond that but
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especially if you do puberty blockers you're going to risk irreversible cognitive impairment
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and some other irreversible negative effects not good if you're wondering why this would happen in
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adults that that are doing this um here i would say so it does appear from these studies very clearly
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like you your brain becomes more male-like or female-like based on these treatments yeah with with trans
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men men who are female to male they they appear to improve on visuospatial and decline on verbal and
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then male or female to male you get the opposite the other way around anyway so so you are getting a more
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male-like or female-like brain right the problem is is that the the wider structures around your brain
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and even the way that your brain itself is set up is not designed to be a good male or female brain
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so if i was going to give an alternative example of this suppose you took a woman and you wanted her to
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be really good at things that men are really good at like let's say weightlifting right so you say but
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look with science i can make her like a man right i can pump her full of drugs that cause her muscles
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in her arms to grow really big and i can and and you know give her all the testosterone so it makes her
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her arms look more man-like you know better at man-like things and then she goes to a tournament
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and her bones shatter you know her her her joints stop working you know they're not designed
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to be that way they were not built to be that way it's not just one system you can go in and change
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one system but if the foundation was made for a female body no matter what you do you're not going
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to be able to transition because they went through their entire developmental cycle to try to end up in
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this one particular and and at the end of the day what is all this for it's for self-affirmation
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but why do you live you live to try to make the world a better place and to try to make the future of
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humanity better well we do not most people to be fair i think you know it's not hard to find a
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meaningful purpose in life and you your life will be so much better if you live for something bigger
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than yourself you know agreed and you know you can do this through religion or you can do this through
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just trying to be better trying to make the world better but anything you do that is a chase for
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affirmation will always shatter you at the end of the day because you are personally experiencing
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all of the positive things that you believe the world has in in your life but what i'm saying is if
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your life is measured by your subjective experience of your life then you personally feel the core benefit
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of your life and it is very clear to you that it's just not that good you know there's there's there's
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you're always going to be chasing more if you want to see what this does to an individual what it feels
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like to sort of go through gender transition and what the daily life of an individual is like after
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this is go to our life of a cinebite episode where we go over the story of anna balans because it's
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very well documented on her blog and you can see the constant search for affirmation and then the constant
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thinking that that they finally found it and then it's slipping through their hands like sand because it
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reminds me of i'm going to say the gender transition it reminds me of a raccoon with cotton candy you
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know oh when they try to wash it they try to wash the cotton candy and then it disappears in the water
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they like search the water where did the cotton candy go i have this delicious cotton candy in my hands
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it's like you've got this delicious life and then you transition right you you put it in the water and
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then it's gone and pretty sad it is pretty sad but i think you know fortunately there are a lot of
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detransitioners out there now it's very common phenomenon it's becoming more and more common and
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there's going to be a lot of pushback against this movement which we're already seeing it's
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it's very normalized at this point and it's sort of shattering because of the the and i didn't know
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this stuff i didn't know you know early on i was pro-trans i was like yeah this seems innocuous just
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delay puberty whatever right like because i hadn't looked at the research right or i just believed when
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they're like no no no no no no no like would we really be doing this if we permanently just cause
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problems to children and it's like okay well now i know the whole joe money thing yeah you guys would
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yeah but we had no idea no idea yeah and it just wasn't well researched so this research a lot of
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this was out back then i just didn't think to look you know i just sort of didn't realize how little
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the left at this point in the urban monoculture cared about evidence and facts anymore that they had
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moved to become a culture that was completely just dedicated to the agenda which is self-affirmation
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and a search for you know personal pleasure and not admitting that they've done anything wrong
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depressing i still haven't really seen them walk back a lot next like talk about not
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ever admitting i think that's been dropped for the most part
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i think it has gone way down if i look up the engram viewer
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yeah whatever happened to latinx i mean i'd love it if they had like an apology to the latin
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american community for latinx oh no okay well it's exploding i only have until 2022
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but it just skyrocketed around yeah like basically non-existence in 2010 and then it just started to
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skyrocket after that but it might be leveling off if i look at trends
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trends.google.com and we compare and we look at latinx for all time for at least 2004 to present
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yeah it's it's it's going down so in google it starts to spike up after 2016 it sees its height
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in september 2020 when the world was bonkers and it has slowly eased down since then now in july of
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2025 we're at about the same level it was at in 2018 and it looks like it's trending back downward
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so the healing the healing is happening malcolm it's happening the mark the mimetic market correction
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will be complete soon love you to decimum have a spectacular day me too
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oh that was fascinating lots of people watch malcolm and your mother from wherever she is
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i can't hear you i'm sorry your mic is not connected
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she's screaming put product in your hair yeah yeah that is that is what i always heard from her
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put more product in your hair well might have been said to you more than anything else from her maybe
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even more than i love you oh certainly more yeah product in your hair but get this okay so there
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this article came out with bloomberg titled korean companies pay employee huge sums to have more kids
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and i was like oh what like a five thousand dollar bonus or something right like some like something
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akin to what the united states said or some you know someone had proposed to the united states but no
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so so boo young company a construction company offers 10 million won per baby to employees that's
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about 72 000 craft and ink a video game developer 43 000 at birth and an additional 29 000 in installments
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until the child turns eight it also provides in-house daycare is open as late as 9 30 pm emergency
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babysitting coverage for parental leave and protections from career penalties for taking
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leave korea aerospace industries offers 7 000 the people who run these companies are heroes you know
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they're doing what they can to save their ethnic group right 22 000 for the third child
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we'd be we'd be raking it in with these companies i know man like we're in the wrong country
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but i take korea with you they wouldn't like that because they're like well you know you're white
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you're not really this isn't the point i know yeah i wonder if there may be racial exemptions but i
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wow i mean the the chili that you made by the way is absolutely fantastic yeah did you put in the more
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chilies yesterday yeah i sauteed them so they'd get a little toasty and then i you know yeah they yeah
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i mean we're ready to do it tonight but i would still leave the main batch for another day because the
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meat needs to break down a bit more what's the spice level like do you want more sauteed chilies
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maybe slightly more it depends on if you want some of this too nah
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you're missing out sweetheart chip on chili you don't even like chili
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i don't know i just nothing tastes good right now but there's no there's no space for anything so
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everything i eat i have to be really careful about it because it just like it can only fit in this very
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small area and then if one of our children like hugs me or punches me in the chest it just comes right
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back up i love it that they punch as much as they hug they they just come up and and suck us yeah or
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like headbutt you and i feel like the chili is going to be a little more acidic with all the the tomato
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base in it i'm not ready for that to come back up it's gonna hurt too much you are an amazing woman
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smell well it's very good regardless good i'm so glad it turned out you were like i was surprised
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when you said you were jonesing for chili it's so non foreign but of course you put in thai chili
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peppers and indian spices so an msg it's not exactly you need msg and everything you need msg and chili of
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course yeah you do i mean for non foreign foods chili is a really good one no it's it's fantastic
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it's fantastic and it's not served nearly enough this is another thing about chili
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you know you really can only get it in like specialized locations i think because even if
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a restaurant did serve it you wouldn't consider it a main course even though you know it takes
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as long to prepare as a main course and it if you eat it you're not going to eat a main course
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yeah it's so hardy less for it yeah yeah you can't make it like your soup starter because then
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that would fill people up but you can't serve it as a main dish because people don't like soups or
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stews as main dishes yeah it's more of a family kind of dish but it requires multiple days of
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cooking if you're doing it well like i did the first when you sent me the chili recipes they were
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all like ground meat and i was like what are you doing to me woman ground meat chili you've got to
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slow cook stuff yeah but those yeah even when i looked up slow cooker recipes though their
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assumption is slow cooker oh you mean like six hours you're like no oh like three days is is that
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long we cook actually what are you looking at you just had an idea no i'm i'm just
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no baby yeah i am sorry it's all good it's it's all super good
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mm-hmm hey you're committing to doing this more have they want to you know get your full story
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let's see committed to the bed as they say committed to the bed
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all right all right let's get started on this one
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what happened oh i'm twisting a titan of god and they're not in their bed well let's go see
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yeah but they were not bad they were not bad yeah so they were good kids
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yeah i know when you go to the camera somewhere right there watching that bed so they do not
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play with the toy you can use that camera i have an idea octavian
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okay okay let's think through this last night when you went to bed
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and you had dinner with daddy and you had dinner with daddy were they here no
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hey we can just still watch the video recording where yeah but they weren't here when you went to bed
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i was a little sleepy before so do you think maybe they're at stacy and john's
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um can you call stacy and john and tell them if they're there then
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okay now call stacy and john because you think that they're good kids like titan and toasty are
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pretty good no and krampus wouldn't take a good kid yeah they would take bad kids