Based Camp - Why Female Leaders Abuse Their Power (The Science)

00:00:00.000 hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today today we are going to be going over

00:00:03.720 two persistent myths in society dissecting them looking at the actual data to show that no one

00:00:13.600 female-led societies historically are and actually in modern times because we're going to be going 1.00

00:00:19.900 into new data not just the old data that we had in our book the pragmatics guide to sexuality are

00:00:23.960 more violent than non-female yeah sure of course that makes sense but also the myth of the peaceful 1.00

00:00:31.440 bonobo is where we are going to start because bonobo society is actually horrifying i don't 0.98

00:00:39.660 understand why people have this vision of a gentle ape all all apes and monkeys terrify me

00:00:45.640 more than pelicans and there's nothing scarier than a pelican so we're just going to go over a bunch of

00:00:51.460 mostly drawing from a chapter from the pragmatist guide to sexuality about why you shouldn't let

00:00:58.920 women run things and not just that but how the progressive movement and the progressive part of 1.00

00:01:06.160 the academic movement has this tendency to create these conflations or confabulations of unique

00:01:15.560 examples or cherry-picked data to try to say that we should go back to some earlier way of doing

00:01:21.420 things or some earlier way is back ah the old sapiens argument sex at dawn where they're like

00:01:26.760 well our ancestors were polyamorous look at the gentle bonobo look at the tribal they are and i'm like

00:01:34.880 well uh first of all that's not true of all tribal groups and it's certainly not true of the more

00:01:40.660 successful ones you just chose one that fit the society that you wanted you're like okay where's the

00:01:46.840 most communist the most matriarchal the most okay we will say this is a model for early humans when 0.92

00:01:52.900 that's not actually the predominant evidence that we have and we can do a separate episode on that

00:01:56.760 but it's the same with you know with with bonobos they go oh well there was a period where like

00:02:03.100 some researchers really romanticized bonobos and now we know that they basically made a mistake

00:02:08.460 and they create it is true that bonobos do have a matriarchal society it's just not true that it's a

00:02:14.240 benevolent matriarchal society so let's go into this all right i wonder yeah and i i'm very curious to 0.89

00:02:20.620 to know when in history women were seen to be nice i'm thinking maybe certainly with the victorian era

00:02:30.480 there was this picture of like the woman is being the moral anchor of the household but yeah i'm this

00:02:37.600 is going to be fascinating some of our readers may be wondering at this point why we have not referred

00:02:43.040 to bonobos it has become popular to cite bonobo behavior as evidence that humans in their natural

00:02:48.380 state would be free-loving polyamorous matriarchal communities this view of bonobos has been aggressively 0.99

00:02:54.300 pushed by those whose political agenda benefits from the belief that our distant ancestors lived in

00:02:59.400 this kind of utopia first we would point to the fact that women tend towards submissive sexual fantasies 1.00

00:03:04.460 much more than men that this tendency does not appear to be socialized and male humans almost

00:03:09.600 certainly have an infanticide impulse this serves as fairly concrete evidence indicating that early

00:03:15.680 humans did not interact like bonobos or at least how people believe bonobos interact matriarchal

00:03:22.340 utopias do not create evolutionary pressures nudging women to become turned on by violence against 0.91

00:03:27.560 themselves or sexually aroused by men stomping on babies like lucy mcgillicuddy stomping in a great bat 0.57

00:03:35.080 a 2015 psychology study of one said this is not from the guide i'm just sort of adding this for

00:03:41.000 people who don't know because in the guide i just citation citation citation citation is i'm just going

00:03:45.360 to go into some of this right a 2015 psychology today review of 1516 participants found 52 percent of

00:03:52.560 women fantasized about forced sex verse lower male rates for submission often weekly linked to implicit 0.88

00:04:00.760 associations of sex with surrender rather than cultural norms a 2006 sex role study confirmed women's 0.93

00:04:08.280 non-conscious sex submission link predicted lower arousal if not acted on suggesting an innate component

00:04:16.040 so i want to pull out what both of those studies are saying it's saying that if a woman has a forced 1.00

00:04:23.160 submission fetish and she engages in vanilla sex she will not become as aroused during that vanilla sex 0.78

00:04:31.880 as a woman it's not like it's just an additive to her arousal it is a necessary component of her arousal 0.99

00:04:38.300 to reach a a full arousal state um and in terms of this 52 percent when you get to 52 percent of women

00:04:45.160 fantasizing about forced sex that means that it's the normal thing to do that means that well it's not by a

00:04:50.900 huge amount it means that the women who don't fantasize about this are the weird ones it also 1.00

00:04:56.500 just says something really sad about our evolutionary history i'm throwing that out there yeah it does it

00:05:02.940 does it does because there i mean clearly there was an evolutionary pressure to be turned on by that

00:05:09.900 right yeah yeah interestingly here high resource women eg executives report even more forceful submission 1.00

00:05:19.040 fantasies as per a 2009 journal of sex research analysis

00:05:22.500 that is important to note the reason why we need to bring this up that a woman's desire to be 1.00

00:05:31.860 subjugated goes up as she reaches higher levels of status and power within society is that means if 1.00

00:05:36.520 you put a woman at the top of an organization or say a country she will have a desire for not just her

00:05:43.740 but everything associated with her to be subjugated as a result of that no obviously we don't always act

00:05:51.200 on our desires and obviously not all women right you know margaret thatcher was a goat leader right 0.98

00:05:57.340 but it does mean that on average you're going to get this tendency and i can think that this might be

00:06:03.880 why a lot of women politically hold views that lead to a culture or a country to end up in a 1.00

00:06:11.700 position of subjugation if they feel like they are overly lauded or overly high status within that

00:06:17.200 culture or country and the reason i point all that out is stronger your survival instinct perhaps

00:06:22.960 if we lived in a like if the forces that shaped our arousal pathways came from environmental pressures

00:06:33.220 and those environmental pressures and those environmental structures looked like the imagined

00:06:37.940 social setup of a bonobo there would be no reason to see this pattern so basically we know even if they

00:06:45.500 were right about bonobos they would not be right about us living in that we don't have a matriarchal

00:06:53.840 evolutionary history exactly no no no to continue further the concept of peaceful hypersexual

00:07:02.880 matriarchal polyamorous bonobo is complete pseudoscience motivated by political fringe groups 1.00

00:07:09.400 read the naked bonobo for a more in-depth review of the scientific literature about this species

00:07:15.160 it bucks the mainstream narrative though it certainly has its own axe to grind real bonobo behavior is far

00:07:20.740 more interesting than the myth and no less a living nightmare than the situation we propose for early

00:07:26.100 human social structures some examples here there have been instances of female bonobos holding other

00:07:34.080 females infants lives hostage in exchange for sex imagine a woman picking up an infant by the head 1.00

00:07:43.440 and threatening to wring its neck unless its unpopular mother went down on her this is a a real and 0.95

00:07:51.660 repeatedly observed phenomenon among bonobos so yes women are in charge in the most horrifying way 1.00

00:08:01.320 you could conceivably imagine i would point out that this is not a behavior that we have ever observed

00:08:09.320 in male chimpanzees so male chimpanzees when they're in charge do not do this to other female chimpanzees

00:08:19.660 infants in exchange for sexual favors female bonobos do although i will admit this is a bit of a cop

00:08:25.720 out because male chimpanzees practice infanticide so they wouldn't be in a situation in which the

00:08:31.260 female would have another male chimpanzees or an unpopular male chimpanzees kid and they wanted 1.00

00:08:36.680 sexual access to her to go further here this isn't in the book but just to add some color a 2018 study

00:08:42.380 on infant handling at the university of oregon's bonobo enclosure found that adolescent females quote

00:08:47.200 unquote carry away infants after grooming mothers sometimes leading to tense standoffs that escalate

00:08:53.140 to threats if demands including socio-sexual ones aren't met i love the way that that's not

00:09:00.120 threatening their lives in exchange for for for sexual favor so so really quite a horrifying society 0.65

00:09:06.960 and it shows that women even when we're talking about non-human women are significantly more sociopathic

00:09:13.060 in the way that they will treat other people when they enter a position of power 0.93

00:09:17.680 and i know this sucks but it's just the way things are like it's and and we all know it like we can

00:09:25.080 look at all these studies i meant to prep an episode on this where we look at the instances where women 0.98

00:09:29.400 tried to have like all female offices oh we really gotta do that eventually i think you wanted me to do it 0.99

00:09:36.540 because i would get really well there was also a good study that looked into not not just it was oh yeah

00:09:43.560 what percent of women want a female boss and it was like extremely low it was like two to three percent 1.00

00:09:49.340 or something if i remember correctly so there was a gallup poll conducted in 1953 that showed only five

00:09:55.500 percent of women preferred a female boss if you look at more recent studies in 2013 only 27 percent of women 0.99

00:10:02.620 and in 2014 only 25 percent of women preferred a female boss although it's been ticking up by 2017

00:10:09.880 it's only 28 percent of women so what you see is women really do not like working under other women 0.76

00:10:16.780 in a in any sort of a context here like women intuitively understand that women will treat them 0.99

00:10:23.200 worse everybody knows this right like but we've made up this fantasy about the type of rulers that women are 1.00

00:10:30.100 because it fits this weird power inversion thing that's important within the urban monoculture

00:10:38.140 or sort of like social inversion thing so anyway high-ranking females will fight to increase the social 1.00

00:10:46.800 status of their sons but not for their daughters so even in a matriarchal society women care less for 1.00

00:10:53.380 their daughters and their sons which i find to be very fascinating and low-ranking female bonobos 1.00

00:10:58.640 trade sex for food while high-ranking females never do this implies that low-ranking females do not particularly 1.00

00:11:06.180 enjoy doing this i.e they are being forced to be prostitutes to eat so we know people act like what they're

00:11:15.340 seeing in bonobos is this culture of free love right because they see them you know going down on each other 0.96

00:11:21.840 right and everyone's having fun no no no no the high status females never do this this is what they 1.00

00:11:29.540 see well what's also kind of implied beneath this it's something that you and i talk about a lot that

00:11:35.040 that sex isn't really about pleasure after a certain point you know it's it's more about power and or

00:11:45.000 self-perception and i kind of have a feeling like this is more how these female bonobos are 1.00

00:11:52.340 exerting and communicating and confirming their level in the hierarchy like what else would you force

00:12:00.400 other members of your troop to do aside from perform sexual we don't we do not see this behavior in

00:12:07.300 chimpanzees either so we essentially what bonobos are is it's like somebody walked into a group of

00:12:14.260 humans and they go oh look at these women always like going down on other women and like sleeping 1.00

00:12:21.740 together and stuff like this what a what a wonderful free love culture and then you go in and and sit

00:12:28.400 down and you notice all but one of the women is like sitting on the floor and you're like wait wait 0.64

00:12:33.340 what's what's going on here and she goes oh these are my sex slaves what you just walked into was 1.00

00:12:38.440 one woman was a bunch of sex slaves not a culture of sexual freedom okay you as a leftist were not 0.98

00:12:46.580 primed to see that but that is functionally what was happening yeah and these women who were the sex 1.00

00:12:52.780 slaves did not want to be doing that no it was grape

00:12:59.220 as as epstein would say grape soda and cheese pizza so to go further here lower ranking females 1.00

00:13:09.860 trading sex for food implying coercion in bonobo groups low status females engage in social sexual 0.97

00:13:14.740 behaviors eg genital genital rubbing to access food controlled by higher ranking individuals while 0.97

00:13:20.800 dominance rarely reciprocate a 1994 estno study observed that young or immigrant females use sex 1.00

00:13:27.500 to appease alphas for resources suggesting it's not purely enjoyable but a survival strategy

00:13:33.100 in unique hierarchies a 2021 scientific report analysis of quote-unquote biological markets in

00:13:39.560 bonobos confirmed that not swollen low value females groom and offer sex to swollen high value ones 0.71

00:13:46.760 for food access following supply and demand dynamics now here's where it gets even crazier than

00:13:54.720 everything else i said there so you could be like well as bad as things are in bonobo tribes yes all of 0.79

00:14:03.180 the women might be sex slaves yes you know you might only have like one or two actual high status women in 1.00

00:14:08.560 society and that but at least we are trading male rule for less male violence 0.85

00:14:16.320 problem is is this is factually untrue male aggression rates in bonobos are higher or equal to those among

00:14:25.180 chimpanzees so male aggression rates are equal to higher than chimpanzees contrary to peaceful stereotypes

00:14:31.920 male bonobos exist higher rates of intergroup aggression than male chimpanzees a 2024 current biology study

00:14:38.320 comparing cockalapari bonobos and bombay chimpanzees found bonobo males engaged in 2.8 times more

00:14:47.880 aggressive interactions overall three times more physical ones like pushing slash biting though less

00:14:54.520 lethal for the bonobo lovers out there the rates are actually even higher than we had thought originally

00:15:01.760 specifically specifically a 2024 study in current biology showed that in bonobos aggression was 2.8x to 3x more

00:15:12.660 violent or more physical as they worded than chimps aggressive bonobo males also achieve higher mating success

00:15:20.820 similar to chimps for a 2023 pmc review

00:15:24.360 so bonobos don't just do sex more but women also female bonobos are also turned on 1.00

00:15:35.480 by the physically violent and aggressive male bonobos because they are having more sex with them and this 0.92

00:15:43.520 is something we see in chimps as well and i'm sure we see in humans as well this is this is what women are 1.00

00:15:49.960 looking for looking for in a partner now what is fascinating is that it does still appear that female

00:15:57.320 bonobos when they are in positions of power within a tribe are more turned on by acting dominant

00:16:02.500 themselves towards especially other females and this may make them more optimized for positions of power 0.70

00:16:09.140 than human females i.e if human females actually acted like bonobos became very aggressive controlling 1.00

00:16:17.140 monsters when they came into positions of power and didn't want anyone else to subjugate them

00:16:22.180 then we may have fewer externalities in our society from putting them in power which ironically is

00:16:28.040 exactly the opposite stereotype we have of bonobos now as a caveat here just like to give bonobos one

00:16:34.780 point they have lower rates of lethal aggression oh than chimps so good job

00:16:46.040 yay they're not being total psychopaths no they're total psychopaths i mean what is the point of

00:16:54.480 emotionally and and mentally torturing someone if they're dead you can't okay that is actually 0.74

00:17:01.120 the bonobo mindset the bonobo queen yeah i love that i know it's really like they think that they've

00:17:10.540 entered this society of like equality just because a woman's at top and it reminds me of like the

00:17:15.480 thunderdome like max road warrior road warrior three where it's run by that woman who's like 1.00

00:17:21.900 very violent and aggressive and that's the way you should think of bonobos they have a thunderdome 0.65

00:17:27.300 where people fight with weapons they have a a female running it but it's not it's not nice all right 1.00

00:17:33.600 there is no perfect society out there hidden in the midst of our distant history enjoyed by some

00:17:40.860 undiscovered tribe or orchestrated by another species of ape people desperately want to believe 1.00

00:17:46.120 that if they just travel far enough back and pull back that last bit of dense foliage they will find

00:17:51.040 like some sort of social el dorado some obvious and easy utopia the pragmatists of the world know where

00:17:57.820 our hidden utopia lies it is not lived out by some faraway tribe or described on a dusty tablet chiseled by

00:18:04.580 our ancestors our ideal society lies in the future we have the power to create optimal societies aren't

00:18:11.760 easy they aren't obvious and they certainly aren't about following some simplistic ideological doctor

00:18:16.280 into the letter an enlightened society will be nuanced slow to build and will need to constantly

00:18:23.200 experiment citizens of a truly perfect society must update their beliefs about the world as they try

00:18:28.280 new things to see whether or not they fail no one alive today knows how to create this glittering

00:18:33.780 society not yet the best anyone of our generation can hope for is to climb mount nebu and catch a 0.98

00:18:41.180 glimpse of what we might be for now we must be content with our lot as one of the many diligent

00:18:48.340 marching in the desert we cannot allow ourselves to be distracted by the glittering idols simple easy

00:18:54.140 answers every day we reap the rewards of ancestors who suffered so that our species might ascend from the

00:19:00.540 total depravity of our primordial conditions and basal instincts we spit on their sacrifice by not

00:19:07.000 doing our part to advance the flame of civilization because it is a flame which holds back the darkness

00:19:13.320 both in the world and was in ourselves and then i have a oh sorry we just blacked out there did we just go 0.87

00:19:19.180 on a crazy rant but you see i was driven by madness and how stupid the concept was that there is some 0.83

00:19:25.940 hidden perfect way of living but let's go beyond the bonobo myth here what happens when women rule an 1.00

00:19:35.760 otherwise male-dominated society the real world scenarios in which this has happened certainly

00:19:40.420 defy stereotypes you can see we were so much less biased back then

00:19:44.280 a study investigating rulers between 1480 and 1913 found europe's queens were 27 percent more likely to

00:19:54.620 wage war according to economists or or delian dub and sp harish this is a fun historical nugget

00:20:02.340 no it probably doesn't say anything innate about female rulers i would change that now but let's 0.96

00:20:08.300 let's hear my explanation from back then when i'm trying to hedge my bets yeah let's do this

00:20:12.580 queenly queenly warmongering was more likely a product of the societies in which queens lived 1.00

00:20:19.100 when you break these stats down further for married versus unmarried queens married queens appear far

00:20:25.180 more likely to go to war though unmarried queens had war declared on them more often during this period

00:20:31.340 of history a married queen could socially pressure her husband's country to go to war with her to 1.00

00:20:36.480 quote-unquote protect her while other kings could not do the same with their wives countries easily

00:20:42.000 making war slightly easier and thus more tempting for women so you're people who don't understand what 1.00

00:20:48.400 i'm saying there it was considered like if you took a husband from like the royal family if i'm a british

00:20:53.840 and i take a a son from the royal family of germany to to to be my husband and now i the british queen

00:21:00.480 declare war on france i can go to germany and be like oh i'm just a womanly woman i i need your help

00:21:06.640 are you really going to let your son get crushed by the germans or by the french and they go oh yeah 0.98

00:21:11.860 i guess but if you if you marry their daughter they were like well i married her to you because 0.73

00:21:15.400 i thought you were strong like i'm not going to go to war with you right so women basically got this 0.96

00:21:19.780 cheat card for for starting wars my my hunch when hearing you talk about it this time around

00:21:25.300 was that women are at that time and even now today just don't get that much first-hand exposure to 1.00

00:21:33.420 combat whereas men in positions of leadership were more likely to have at some point been exposed to

00:21:38.940 combat combat firsthand and so they just were more easily able to abstract it and not see just how

00:21:47.640 tremendously horrific it can be maybe that must i can't not be a factor the more removed you are

00:21:54.840 from something the easier it is for you to make sociopathic decisions about it or you could just say

00:22:00.960 that women are terrible because we're gonna go to the next women are terrible the alternate name for 1.00

00:22:05.960 this podcast 0.97

00:22:07.180 Simone you chose the bear you chose god oh no one will ever let me live this down

00:22:19.280 i love it i love it anyway and by the way she didn't choose the bear in the classic woman bear in the

00:22:33.360 woods thing it was when a bear had built a thing under a guy's house and she's like he's just not trying

00:22:38.400 hard enough but the she i i love that as like a a slang for an overly woke woman like she chose the bear 1.00

00:22:47.280 she chose the bear oh my god okay so a 2022 forbes review of global leaders found 36 percent of

00:22:57.560 female heads of state had initialized military disputes versus only 30 percent of males 0.99

00:23:02.620 so even today women are more likely to start wars a 2022 conflict management and peace society study 0.98

00:23:11.600 on rebel groups showed conflicts last longer when females are mobilized as fighters as they enhance 1.00

00:23:18.960 bargaining leverage and sustain war efforts echoing how queens leveraged alliances so when women are 1.00

00:23:25.100 fighting in war it lasts longer uh medieval chronicles e.g saxo grammaticus guested donna more admire

00:23:32.220 warrior queens like alvid who led battles while preserving quote-unquote modesty suggesting historical

00:23:38.760 respect for female aggression without defeminization

00:23:41.220 wait sorry in what way did she preserve modesty i mean everyone who's not trying to die on a

00:23:52.220 battlefield is wearing as much armor as they can i mean this gamison for example it's not modest because

00:24:00.100 i'm trying to cover up it's modest because i don't want someone to cut off my head with a sword right

00:24:03.980 like that's the design of armor i i i think they were just impressed that she didn't dress like a 1.00

00:24:11.480 man when they say modesty i think they mean not dressing in male armor and stuff oh that she would 1.00

00:24:15.020 like i don't know road side saddle or something which actually was like a bird and like special

00:24:19.220 armor a battlefield side saddle looks like it was really hard to do that people are doing jumps and

00:24:27.140 stuff side saddle can you imagine i can't i can't stay on a horse first thing i ever did in the horse

00:24:33.460 was fall off of it if we want to go back to bonobos to learn a bit more about how they structure their

00:24:39.280 societies yeah so bonobo societies are female dominated overall but males inherit maternal ranks

00:24:45.700 through filopathy staying in natal groups allowing high status sons to outrate some females a 2010 max

00:24:53.300 plank institute study found that matrilineal presence boosts sons dominance and mating success 0.88

00:24:59.640 creating a linear male hierarchy where the top males often the sons of alpha females can eclipse lower

00:25:05.600 females this contrast with chimpanzees where male coalitions dominate and keep in mind the way that

00:25:11.220 males keep power in chimpanzees is through coalition building okay so you want to be a dragon woman nepo 0.99

00:25:17.180 baby is that what i'm getting from this well what you want to be is the chimp you want to 0.90

00:25:23.120 understand that only through coalition building with other men can men maintain the higher spot

00:25:28.880 within a hominid society bonobos keep men at the bottom while ensuring that men stay a strict 0.97

00:25:36.860 hierarchy that really has no reason to make alliances among itself outside of with the women the high 0.97

00:25:42.740 set of alpha women and stuff like that high ranking females ruining sons of her daughters bonobo mothers 1.00

00:25:49.080 invest heavily in sons social advancement but not their daughters as females immigrate to maturity 0.99

00:25:54.840 while males stay a 2019 current biology study showed mothers intervene in conflicts to elevate son's

00:26:01.240 status tripling their paternity success by guarded matings and forming coalitions against rivals

00:26:06.760 behaviors absent from their daughters this maternal bliss is linked to indirect fitness gains as the sons

00:26:13.240 produce more grandchildren oh so you see it is useful for women to be nepotistic about their sons 1.00

00:26:21.720 as bonobos as bonobos anyway that's that's what i got to say about that what are your thoughts

00:26:29.160 on female-led society and why they're so terrible 1.00

00:26:34.440 i mean i think on the human level because we talked a lot about bonobos i think there's just a lot of

00:26:39.560 evolutionary drives that women have that i mean we we've talked in other episodes about how women 1.00

00:26:50.440 are engaged in a lot of mate guarding behavior for example and and tend to tear each other down

00:26:55.880 subconsciously like it's not intentional but that there there tends to be among female humans a lot of 1.00

00:27:04.040 mate guarding behavior or even within like we'll say a harem environment you're still competing for 0.99

00:27:11.000 resources and favor and security and so in the end other women are just inherently a threat they're a 1.00

00:27:19.480 threat to your resources or they're a threat to your access to high quality men and so it's really hard

00:27:25.960 to create an inclusive female environment where women aren't even if like logically and ideologically 1.00

00:27:35.000 they really want to be supportive of each other where they're not taking each other out and i think a lot

00:27:39.960 of that is just downstream of the instincts that were bred into women in societies where men were

00:27:51.400 lynch pins in in resource provision especially in those periods of human history where a very small

00:28:01.640 number of men did most of the reproducing implying that women were like competing for the best man and 0.99

00:28:07.480 also competing for the resources that those men had does that make sense yeah it doesn't make sense and

00:28:15.080 i think if i was gonna say like why you see i mean i think that there's a lot of individual reasons

00:28:20.440 why you see this but i also think that the way that women resolve disputes works really well when they 1.00

00:28:29.000 are in the submissive role which is sort of aggressive socializing bickering scheming yeah it's

00:28:35.560 really bad if they're in the dominant role

00:28:37.400 yeah i mean catherine the great did seem to do a really good job in her leadership position queen

00:28:45.720 elizabeth the first famously successful in her leadership position queen victoria was seen as a

00:28:50.920 good leader as was queen elizabeth the second there there are lots of great female leaders of course and 0.99

00:28:57.720 there's you know bloody mary who came right before queen elizabeth the first cleopatra was a hot mess for her 1.00

00:29:03.320 country as much as she did a great job in the beginning but it was more just by courting 0.70

00:29:08.360 popularity among the common people and like actually pretending to be egyptian instead of

00:29:12.920 there's really only been a very small handful of good female leaders and england's had a lot of them 1.00

00:29:17.880 if you look at other countries typically like when you have like female egyptian pharaohs you're 0.90

00:29:23.640 like oh a dark age is about to come like that's that's the way it normally works it just depends on

00:29:29.240 on what area region you're talking about but i don't think this is necessarily because of the

00:29:34.120 females themselves i think it's because most heavy you know hard cultures would prohibit a female leader 1.00

00:29:41.000 and so by the time you have a female leader get into power you know that it's already a very yeah 1.00

00:29:46.600 this was plan d it was not plan a b or c yeah there was that i know that was certainly the case with

00:29:54.440 queen mary and queen elizabeth king henry the eighth tried so freaking hard they were there

00:29:59.720 the whole time and he's like no no no so we're conflating two people here one was mary bloody

00:30:09.480 mary this was king henry's oldest daughter who was totally evil and just murdered tons and tons of 0.91

00:30:15.960 people and then the other was mary queen of scots another evil catholic who elizabeth locked up and 1.00

00:30:24.120 tried to have her killed on three separate occasions the reason she was even in england

00:30:30.040 and needed to be locked up was because her well so this guy murdered her husband and then she married 1.00

00:30:37.000 him and then she also wanted to kill a ton of people but that's a whole other thing so sorry

00:30:42.120 here that we conflate the two evil catholic mary queens of this period so if you are a tutor queen

00:30:50.120 and you ever run into any catholic named mary keep in mind they're basically telling you nice to meet

00:30:56.440 you listen if you ever need anybody murdered please give me a call you're giving him a card no code of 1.00

00:31:01.240 ethics i will kill anyone anywhere children animals old people doesn't matter i just love killing you 0.99

00:31:08.040 but i'm no that's one of the worst queens in british history and one of the best yeah i mean 0.99

00:31:18.440 yeah it's it's it's hard it's hard

00:31:24.200 it's also interesting now i'm just thinking about him and his daughters the the mothers the first one

00:31:29.960 with his his brothers right yeah his brother's widow but the marriage was annulled she swore up and

00:31:39.240 down that it was never consummated the with the brother the spanish queen yes yeah and then she ends

00:31:46.920 up having the the evil daughter and and mary queen of scots was just a purely evil person like if you read

00:31:54.600 history she's one of the most comically evil characters in all of history she she like 1.00

00:32:00.280 famously her sister who you know after she had put on these trials and just done you know a hundred

00:32:07.880 that's because a lot of people were were using her i mean a lot of it had to do with misaligned 0.69

00:32:13.240 incentives when you are you have to take out anyone who threatens your position so after she was put

00:32:20.760 in the the tower of london by elizabeth elizabeth was like look i really don't want to have to kill

00:32:27.960 you i'm going to try to give you the best life i can she then attempts to kill elizabeth in spite of 1.00

00:32:32.680 that elizabeth again comes and says stop trying to get me killed i'm really trying my best to give you

00:32:39.720 a good life here no the problem though was that there were a lot plenty of people who did not care

00:32:43.960 really whether elizabeth died or not no no no no no no no mary was found organizing these plots

00:32:50.840 yeah but people were telling mary that elizabeth and her supporters were out to kill her

00:32:56.680 no she she was clear they could have killed her at any point they obviously just go and execute her 0.99

00:33:01.320 when when after the second murder attempt right like they could have killed her at any point she 0.90

00:33:06.600 was in the tower there was no political fallout it was purely a net negative for elizabeth it was purely

00:33:12.600 an act of mercy to leave her alive but mary was just incapable of not trying to take the most evil

00:33:22.600 choice with every single thing that she chose in her entire life evil maxing that's this

00:33:30.920 weird joke about but i feel bad for her and it's weird to think that elizabeth's mother was seen as

00:33:35.800 as as like the more cunning and evil one and mary's mother was seen as the like

00:33:40.760 more witness one but i think that's part of what led mary to become so evil is she was very easy for

00:33:47.000 the people around her to manipulate and elizabeth was not so well yeah plus you kind of had like a nepo 1.00

00:33:55.800 baby family versus a very very cunning sociopathic mercenary family you know like this this was

00:34:04.760 this that family had clod their way into influence versus a you know catherine had just married into it 0.99

00:34:12.520 and had not only you know connections at the height of power in her own home country but also with the

00:34:20.920 papacy so you know she was extremely privileged and didn't have to be good in fact she never even 0.99

00:34:29.080 really learned proper english you can see from her spelling in her letters that she still pronounced

00:34:33.400 things with a really bad accent throughout her life because she would just even if you're a

00:34:40.040 cat's like you should hate her because if she had just had grace and told her family members to get 0.96

00:34:47.240 the annulment for the king yeah she could have lived out her life in luxury in true luxury yeah

00:34:53.400 but she and she had such a good go of it and she was also just having all these miscarriages like if 1.00

00:34:57.960 i were her personally i'd be like yeah i and also like i'd be grossed out by the fact that my husband

00:35:03.000 was sleeping with all these other women and like clearly wanted to end like if if you wanted to end

00:35:07.000 your marriage with me and you're clearly trying i would be like well yeah like if you love someone let

00:35:11.880 them go i don't want to like i do not want to be a ball and chain i don't know what kind of woman 0.97

00:35:17.080 wants to be i don't know what her game was it was it was very stubborn and that's and so yeah not not 0.99

00:35:23.320 great not great yeah not not great but just to think if she had just not been such a prick

00:35:30.040 the the protestant movement might have just died out my god you're right yeah that is that is really 0.94

00:35:36.120 something yeah but to be too arrogant to learn the local language and just come on come on she was

00:35:43.720 always going to be that way she was always going to be a nightmare god that cathedral in st andrews then

00:35:48.920 probably could still be standing right and there's so many gorgeous cathedrals in the uk that would

00:35:54.120 not be yeah but we probably would have never had the enlightenment yeah yeah i mean a lot of conservatives

00:36:00.200 these days like i should do a video on that the enlightenment was a very good thing like it was

00:36:04.760 was like the idea that like our problems or wokeness's problems stem from the enlightenment

00:36:09.960 is a die-up on people like the enlightenment was everything that we need to return to it is what

00:36:18.360 we lost was wokeness it was when civilization made a major jump forward yeah the the enlightenment was

00:36:25.080 gentlemen scientists the the enlightenment was tech pro accelerationism of its time it was not

00:36:30.600 it was not it was not what people yeah it was not woke wokeness is the esoteric hermeticism of

00:36:40.120 of our time and you're absolutely right wokeism is in a way a sort of mystical framework it would not

00:36:47.000 sort of it is a mystical framework it is based on feelings it is based on what you wish were true

00:36:53.560 whereas the enlightenment is a a very like we can work this out we can reason this it's it's very

00:37:02.920 masculine at its core not feminine and i mean that's we you know we in our episode about peacocking that

00:37:09.400 sadly bombed the reason why men stopped dressing in a very fanciful manner was also due to the

00:37:16.040 enlightenment it was because they became focused more on form than uh sorry on function than form

00:37:22.520 and that's why suddenly clothing wasn't like you know it was like we dropped the lace we dropped

00:37:29.400 the buttons we dropped the frills we dropped the the man dresses and the heels and we got to work

00:37:35.080 and that's awesome that actually a good episode is how the enlightenment created masculinity because

00:37:40.280 before that men you know dressed very effectively yeah no even even military dress was

00:37:47.080 was very very what today we think of as as well literally the cravat was was modified for what was

00:37:55.480 it like autumn an ottoman military uniform like all of the super fancy stuff was was it the heel like i was

00:38:02.120 saying the high heel was taken from what was it persian warriors who rode on horseback and needed the heel to

00:38:09.480 to be able to stand up and do archery from stirrups on a horse while moving like all of the stuff that

00:38:17.240 is frou-frou fashion came from military dress military dress was fabulous and the enlightenment was when

00:38:24.360 some guys were like well i mean shouldn't masculinity be more about like stoicism and not wasting money and

00:38:31.000 you know focusing on things that actually matter for civilization and then you had the colonization

00:38:36.440 period during the enlightenment yeah which was huge as well and that was when you did the good

00:38:40.600 colonization not just the exploitative type you know nation building in other countries

00:38:44.680 yeah no it was it was it was space space style final frontier colonization it was we are going to

00:38:51.240 go to the unknown lands i mean of course any leftist is going to be like are you kidding me the americas

00:38:56.680 were fully populated with indigenous americans this is not the unknown open frontier which is

00:39:02.200 i mean not exactly true the the diseases that the europeans did not mean to bring over with them

00:39:08.280 had mostly wiped out most of the american population at that point oh so they were already it was heavily

00:39:14.280 depopulated i want to say were they more than decimated if i remember correctly i don't i don't actually

00:39:19.480 know like i want to say it was just 98 wow also decimation as a practice make any do you understand

00:39:27.800 the reasoning behind it why would you kill 10 of your troops even if they were naughty

00:39:35.640 that doesn't make like you need them unless they were too too expensive to feed and you were just

00:39:40.840 trying to like save money while also putting them in line do you understand the reasoning and behind

00:39:45.320 decimation so i i mean obviously it's it's a punitive thing it's so that you and everybody

00:39:51.480 understand what it means to failure to fail in an instance or in a case where failure rates could be

00:39:58.840 extremely high so yeah it says here okay so you as a general would decimate your troops when they

00:40:05.720 behaved really poorly because you knew that basically if they didn't shape up you probably

00:40:09.240 lose like 50 of them in your next time historically if if a route happened everyone died okay so yeah better

00:40:16.440 to to lose 10 and scare them straight than to lose 90 next time you go to battle that's so it says

00:40:22.440 the commonly cited figure is that diseases killed approximately 90 of the native american population

00:40:27.400 over the centuries following contact with some sources specifying up to 95 in certain regions or

00:40:33.240 overall so yeah and then yeah yep it is so 90 to 95 it was it was it wasn't decimation it was

00:40:41.960 the decimation is what was left yeah my god um so so yeah america was i i didn't mean to

00:40:49.800 not a a pleasant thing to say but and it's one of the things that i also almost want to do an episode

00:40:54.280 on is there have been various times in human history where a group has lived through a post-apocalypse

00:40:59.880 and we as we were expanding in the in the west and in the americas the the native populations that we

00:41:06.840 were encountering from their perspective we're living in a post-apocalyptic world their entire

00:41:13.160 society like when we talk about how savage many of them were well yeah it sounds kind of yeah it was

00:41:17.320 very road warrior right it was like we're just going to raid other groups they were acting like

00:41:22.200 road warrior raiders because they were living in a post-apocalypse there was still like one or two

00:41:26.840 peaceful settlement not like one or two but there were there were like i'd say it seems i don't know i

00:41:32.040 want to say well the the peaceful ones that i learned about i learned about in school in california

00:41:35.880 like the ohlone because i don't know like maybe in the west jerokee were the ones who got screwed 0.68

00:41:40.440 over the most they were they were fairly peaceful westernized so there there were there were some

00:41:46.840 peaceful indians but but a lot of someone told me recently someone i think who listens to this

00:41:51.480 podcast that the inuit or above repopulation rate by the way oh wow yeah the uh and and so much of

00:41:57.480 native american history we totally have to do a video on native americans like you're you're just

00:42:02.280 told lies like the the whole if you've been told the story about the giving or thinking about giving

00:42:09.480 infected blankets to native americans oh yeah what is not told about that story is the city was under

00:42:17.480 siege there were women and children in the city that very group of native americans had wiped out women 0.98

00:42:22.040 and children in other cities they had sieged um like they were in an existential fight for their

00:42:28.680 lives and the native americans were regularly committing war crimes like anybody who wasn't 0.97

00:42:34.280 stupid would have done the the infected blankets routine there by the way if you're like well the 0.99

00:42:40.120 indians were being massacred and that's why they attacked the fort no no that wasn't why the indians 1.00

00:42:45.240 attacked the fort they attacked the fort because they stopped getting random guests

00:42:48.360 for context on what caused potomac's war after the british defeated the french in 1763 they took

00:42:54.280 control over former french territories in the great lakes region in the ohio valley this shifted

00:42:59.000 alliances and policies towards the indian american tribes who had often sided with the french so

00:43:02.680 specifically they did this because the the indians of this area had previously sided with their

00:43:08.600 enemies and killed their people british commander lord jeffrey amherst implemented cost-cutting measures

00:43:15.320 implementing reducing gifts and trade goods to tribes which fueled resentment ottawa reader potomac

00:43:21.160 rallied the coalition of tribes including the ottawa delaware lenape schwanee mingo ajabi and the

00:43:27.320 others to resist british expansion so specifically this war was motivated because the indians stopped

00:43:36.040 getting gifts stopped getting gifts they were like okay now we gotta kill you the conflict was brutal

00:43:40.840 it was often estimates of around 2000 civilian settler deaths and this particular settlement had 300

00:43:48.520 people in it and if we're looking for the total death that potentially came of this i.e of the the

00:43:54.920 smallpox deaths it was only 60 to 80 native americans that is talked about and not the horror that led to it

00:44:02.040 is talked about i think shows the historical bias in how we remember these events and that in the eyes of

00:44:08.040 progressives and your professors growing up white lives are literally irrelevant i also learned though

00:44:14.040 that at one point benjamin franklin made up stories around native american war crimes to i think in in

00:44:20.440 relation to the revolutionary war implying that the redcoats that is to say the british were working with

00:44:25.880 these war crime committing the native americans i'm sure he was just using stories of actual atrocities

00:44:32.680 committed in other contexts but just made the connection with the british yeah they did a lot

00:44:37.960 of scalping and stuff like they did a lot no no one the whole shell thing that i told you about in

00:44:42.520 relation to oh yeah they killed this was the witch tribe pocahontas's tribe yeah they would pick off 0.88

00:44:47.560 your skin with a shell until you died i think they scraped it i don't think you like scraped it yeah well

00:44:52.040 you were tied to like a a post yeah but yeah no no so i i'm not saying that they didn't do that i'm just

00:44:57.480 saying like there was there was unfair propaganda and stuff but yeah anyway yeah we should we should

00:45:03.960 do something on that because another person who listens to this podcast was telling me how like

00:45:07.960 based on their calculations or telling us actually via email i think that most native american tribes

00:45:14.040 are functionally extinct if you define you know like pure like both sides like 100 inherited 1.00

00:45:21.800 native american which many tribes do define is like to be a member of this tribe you have to be

00:45:26.760 both mother and father of this tribe and also to be culturally of the tribe which i think he he said

00:45:34.440 was defined as dreaming in that native language like people just aren't oh yeah no if you are going by

00:45:41.240 those standards i'd say almost every native american tribe is extinct yeah and i think that this is just

00:45:46.920 functionally true even if you're talking about some of the more successful tribes like say the seminoles 1.00

00:45:52.840 or something like that you know their kids are growing up with tvs and iphones and and western

00:45:58.040 culture dreaming and debauched english which is a a bigger factor for their daily lives yeah because the

00:46:05.480 tribes that survived often survived by leaning into capitalism you know and and even when they perform

00:46:12.120 well in that they got absorbed entirely i don't think that there are functionally there might be

00:46:17.720 like a few meaningfully unique native tribes left but not really in terms of what you're talking about

00:46:25.080 here so that's another thing right i left there with like the the land acknowledgements and stuff

00:46:30.360 like that in their speeches which oh i just heard of maybe i'm blocked and reported i can't remember where

00:46:35.480 on what podcast i heard about this but about a professor who i think felt obligated or was pressured to

00:46:41.960 or possibly even like forced to by policy make a land acknowledgement but his was very passive

00:46:47.640 aggressive and then he actually did the research and discovered oh no he's like by the like this

00:46:52.600 theory of land ownership this tribe doesn't own the land it was like the like some some theory of

00:46:59.160 ownership that means like if you work the land you own it but this native american tribe had never 0.96

00:47:03.240 this indigenous tribe had never actually like cultivated the land so he's like by this definition of land

00:47:08.760 land ownership they never owned it and then he like proceeds to do his lecture no i think that

00:47:14.040 for that reason his syllabus was removed from the university website and the university apologized for

00:47:19.160 his that's not the way to do a passive aggressive how you do a passive aggressive land acknowledgement

00:47:25.080 is you research it and you start the land acknowledgement out totally normal like you know we think the x

00:47:31.160 tribe for this land who were then massacred by the y tribe who were then massacred by the z tribe yeah 1.00

00:47:38.840 and then we massacred this tribe who rightfully owned this land after massacring the so-and-so who had 0.99

00:47:45.560 massacred the so-and-so before them who had massacred the so-and-so using the following explicitly violent

00:47:51.400 methods that would be fantastic no no no no what you do it then you then and the lagged acknowledgement

00:47:56.600 and so we massacred that tribe to you know out of honor their tradition of ownership yes i don't know 0.59

00:48:04.040 what you pointed out with what i'm saying is that you structure it as a the the point of the land

00:48:10.200 acknowledgement is to say that we are showing our gratitude to the first tribe that owned the land

00:48:17.480 by slaughtering the tribe that took it from them as this yes as retribution for the land being oh we 0.95

00:48:25.160 yeah yeah because they how dare they take it from how dare they take it from the very first person

00:48:30.680 who walked we were doing we were just yeah it was revenge it was revenge yeah for the other native 1.00

00:48:37.000 americans don't you know so sorry not sorry you were wrong oh my god okay well love you there's a

00:48:46.200 dinosaur in my lap going to blow out so i have to run you want burmese minchican and rice perhaps

00:48:51.320 yeah that'll be easy okay i love you a lot thank you for your girl cheese today that was really

00:48:57.320 delicious oh i'm eating two meals today this is how you know today is a day of luxury yeah and it was

00:49:02.760 on homemade sourdough bread all ingredients sourced from our like that you can read no no mystery

00:49:11.400 ingredients finally getting to a point where a lot of people are finding no bugs on our fab which i'm

00:49:15.480 really excited about and tomorrow by the way i was thinking of running the star wars episode just

00:49:21.000 because i want to see people's reactions to it you okay with that one yeah let's do it all right i love

00:49:25.960 you to death we lost the ghostwriter well no i'm happy it happened and i'm really grateful for

00:49:33.640 everything we learned from that now i just have to figure out how we can do it i think creating an

00:49:38.680 ai agent to do it i'll i'll figure that out with all the time i don't it'll happen i'll i'll make

00:49:46.200 an agent to figure it out for me it'll be great you're it with the agents on our fab right now they

00:49:51.000 can at least do stuff like that pretty well help me out let's do it okay love you oh my god he has

00:49:58.600 such a blow up there's like way like my mercenary approach to life in the world and relations is

00:50:05.560 unfortunately if i'm going to be leading homeschooling going to become like disproportionately

00:50:11.320 represented in our children because it's already showing up in things like you know i i deleted all

00:50:18.440 the fun apps from our kids phones and or tablets for the end of the night that just put on like

00:50:23.640 learning apps and stuff but but even then the other night i asked octavia like can you set up a

00:50:31.320 tablet for indian like put on a pbs kids show or something and he's like only if

00:50:35.480 she does two lessons first because i am super mercenary with him i'm like you get to take a

00:50:40.440 break after you finish like three math exercises like only if she does two lessons and i love that

00:50:47.560 he's gonna be managing her education one day so you know yeah yeah and one and i bet you were wondering

00:50:53.240 why he was being so good when you came to help him get set up while we recorded my my mercenary exchange

00:51:01.400 with him today was he was allowed to watch the rest of that mr beast games episode if he finished

00:51:09.000 a bunch of lessons and boy did it ever like i've never seen him focus like that before which i just

00:51:15.160 actually came across a study showing that leaning into your strengths and interests with adhd is like

00:51:20.200 the top cure so like i get it but man he blew through it then he watched that episode and then tried to

00:51:26.440 cheat and watch another one and i immediately snatched up his laptop he pouted big time i thought

00:51:33.240 he was just going to tell me he hated me and that there was going to be nothing i can do for the rest

00:51:37.320 of the day and then i had this long conversation with him of like listen if we show you a thing and

00:51:42.520 then you behave poorly after it are we ever going to want to show you that thing again like obviously not

00:51:47.400 and i thought it was just going to go all over his head and he's just going to be mad at me all day

00:51:51.160 and then suddenly he's all like blasting through his math lessons and then you know like you come

00:51:57.640 to the room and he's like oh well can i take down my whiteboard and my my number magnets

00:52:03.880 to work downstairs yeah i gotta do some math like because now but it's all like so instrumental and

00:52:10.040 mercenary and i actually really like it because i don't think people should

00:52:16.680 like part of me is like oh i'm doing this wrong because you should just love math for math's sake

00:52:23.880 and you should just love learning words and phonics just for but honestly it's a little tedious getting

00:52:30.200 some of these fundamentals in place and it's i'm just realizing it's it's just bribery all the way down

00:52:38.040 and i don't know i feel very conflicted about it i love it is he is he learning by the way do you see

00:52:43.880 him making progress i was stunned i was actually going through the the primary thing i'm using to

00:52:50.840 evaluate where he stands grade level wise with his homeschooling and he might be getting to the second

00:52:56.760 grade like within a couple of weeks in some domains that would be amazing yeah because my our goal was

00:53:05.480 because he's in he's technically in first grade now to get him into the third grade by the end of the

00:53:10.280 year so to have him one semester ahead basically but i think we're gonna blow through that because

00:53:15.480 at school he was always considered behind yeah oh severely behind what also is insane to me though is

00:53:22.920 we i we're not going to stop over the summer you know we're just like every day is just going to be

00:53:27.400 a school day and it's so bizarre to me that we still have summer vacations in the u.s that like oh

00:53:33.400 i mean you can work we don't yeah like yeah and that was like this this social contract of like

00:53:39.320 okay please just let us teach your children to read you can keep them as farm workers don't worry

00:53:44.120 are you even going to send him toasty to school are we gonna just not send him at all i want it to be

00:53:50.760 his decision and every time i bring it up i'm not yet sure what his decision is going to be because he

00:53:57.880 much like octavian only knows of the school bus he has no understanding of what's on the other end

00:54:03.880 of the school bus but he wants it it's like i think it's very similar if you drive by a nightclub

00:54:11.080 then you see people waiting in line for the nightclub and you're like i gotta get in there you know like

00:54:15.800 that looks cool yeah like they're all waiting in line it has neon lights on the outside like i gotta

00:54:21.960 get you know you're like you know it's there's you can hear the music booming inside what's going on

00:54:26.600 in there and then you get in it's crowded it's loud there's vomit everywhere the four sticky i mean

00:54:31.880 actually they're exactly the same nothing happens you wait the whole time lines instructions

00:54:40.680 like oh god you should see our episodes on school we got to do an episode on how bad school is these

00:54:44.920 days like nobody's how you're gonna do on how bad nightclubs are too we're kind of notorious about

00:54:49.720 everybody knows that nightclubs are falling apart they're like not a thing anymore

00:54:53.080 i mean they're for old people that's that's what nightclubs are now you show up and it's just

00:54:57.800 boomer women boomer women yeah all right i'll get started here 0.98

00:55:10.280 okay what does this word say

00:55:16.360 octavian let him try it let him try to read it and then you can tell him if he does it right or not

00:55:20.520 okay okay you can have the book well you have well you have to show

00:55:30.200 no you cannot have this

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Based Camp - February 05, 2026

Why Female Leaders Abuse Their Power (The Science)

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