Based Camp - Why Is There Not More Incel Violence？ The Male Sedation Hypothesis

00:00:00.000 That craziness is what provides them with the motivation to go talk to women where they could go to jail because they talked to her in the wrong way, where they could be shut down and socially shamed.

00:00:11.400 Going up and approaching somebody in a dating context is incredibly difficult.

00:00:15.760 And the line between the motivation you need to go up and approach a random woman who you're interested in and the motivation you need to shoot up your school, I think is a much narrower line.

00:00:27.920 No, no, no, no, no. I feel honestly like in many ways shooting up a school is way easier, you know, because like.

00:00:34.840 And that's the point. You need the guys to have this insane motivation.

00:00:38.620 Chris Williamson's male sedation hypothesis proposes that online virtual worlds, particularly pornography and video games, have a pacifying effect on young men who are struggling to find romantic partners or sexual partners.

00:00:51.120 The key points of this hypothesis are one, pornography provides a small dose of reproductive fitness cues.

00:00:58.900 In the studies where it showed higher rates of murder and stuff like that tied to single men, these are societies that completely ban porn and masturbation because they're Muslim societies mostly is where you're seeing this. 0.92

00:01:10.940 Yeah. One thing I kind of wonder is, is do you get the free radical problem or do you get essentially like risky young men in a society where porn isn't necessarily banned, but where no fap is pervasive?

00:01:25.500 Would you like to know more?

00:01:26.920 Hello, Simone. I am excited to be with you here today.

00:01:30.860 Today, we are going to do an episode that asks, why aren't there more mass shootings by incels?

00:01:37.940 I was really wondering this, like we are recording this fairly close to when President Donald Trump was almost killed, got his earshot through.

00:01:50.240 And I'm like, why aren't more people not doing this?

00:01:52.980 If apparently it's so freaking easy to go out with an AR and just shoot it as president, like why are people not going out all the time?

00:02:01.340 Well, it's not just that. I mean, this is something that's been well studied and we've mentioned in previous episodes.

00:02:05.320 If you look at polygynous societies versus monogamous, equivalent monogamous societies, you're typically going to get way more, like much higher rates of terrorism in the polygynous societies.

00:02:16.580 And the question is, why? Why do you get higher rates of terrorism?

00:02:19.880 Why even in monogamous societies get higher rates of terrorism as marriage rates go down, which was a thing that was studied in Egypt.

00:02:26.060 If they were looking at like during economic downturns where people couldn't pay the bride price, more men would go unmarried and you'd directly get more terrorists.

00:02:33.300 And the answer is an unmarried man has, you know, nothing to do with their time. 0.88

00:02:39.820 Well, they're not just nothing to do with their time.

00:02:41.400 They have no vested interest in the social order as it stands.

00:02:46.400 Well, in other words, hormonally also, I would argue they're being told, go big or go home.

00:02:52.940 Like you are genetically going to die.

00:02:56.660 You might as well be dead in the water now.

00:02:58.300 You know, biologically speaking, if they were in a tribe and under the tribe's current order, there was no chance that they would ever get a partner.

00:03:04.280 Then it made sense to risk your life to up in the social order of that tribe.

00:03:11.760 Yeah. Or, you know, do something insane that could possibly win you a sexual partner and therefore, you know, biologically survive to the next generation.

00:03:19.680 So your genes, your body, everything that you've evolved is screaming at you as a male, go big or go home.

00:03:27.740 So you're going to do increasingly risky things.

00:03:30.360 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So although, you know, I will maybe push back on that a little bit, right?

00:03:36.080 Because there's some mixed data on this, right?

00:03:38.840 Like I understand that like testosterone is high when you're in a very like sort of competitive male environment, when you're not in a stable relationship.

00:03:47.560 But then there's also some research that finds that male testosterone kind of plummets when you're on a losing streak.

00:03:53.200 And there have been some theories.

00:03:54.220 This isn't tied to testosterone.

00:03:56.700 Yeah. Okay.

00:03:57.620 No, this is not tied to testosterone.

00:03:59.140 It's tied to desperation.

00:03:59.880 Actually, many of these guys buy the biology that we understand.

00:04:03.180 Are very low testosterone, which is why they're in cells.

00:04:05.080 Lower testosterone in that moment.

00:04:06.320 Yeah.

00:04:06.520 This is different than a testosterone driven, go big or go home push.

00:04:10.900 Okay.

00:04:11.200 This is a-

00:04:11.980 An existential.

00:04:13.220 An existential thing.

00:04:14.200 Like it's worth destroying society because it's not working for me.

00:04:17.900 And actually there was a paper on this just last year.

00:04:20.820 It came out in 2023 and it was titled, Why Isn't There More In Cell Violence?

00:04:25.360 Oh, okay.

00:04:25.960 And I'm going to put it on the screen here.

00:04:27.960 Asking the good questions.

00:04:29.420 Thanks, guys.

00:04:31.200 And Chris Williamson actually is famous for having a theory on this.

00:04:37.520 Really?

00:04:37.700 Yeah.

00:04:38.640 Yeah.

00:04:39.160 The anti-incel.

00:04:40.080 Friend of the show.

00:04:41.140 We've talked to him occasionally.

00:04:43.060 I've been on the show.

00:04:43.900 I'd really love to do it again sometime.

00:04:45.160 I find him, he's a fantastic online commenter.

00:04:49.820 Whenever I hear him, I'm always like, yeah, you have good takes.

00:04:52.040 A little vanilla for my perspective.

00:04:54.620 He's trying to speak to the everyman.

00:04:56.380 You can understand.

00:04:57.620 Yeah.

00:04:58.020 Yeah.

00:04:58.180 Yeah.

00:04:58.360 He's very much an everyman guy.

00:04:59.640 So anyway, this is what perplexity had to say about his take.

00:05:03.420 Chris Williamson's male sedation hypothesis proposes that online virtual worlds, particularly pornography

00:05:11.800 and video games, have a pacifying effect on young men who are struggling to find romantic

00:05:16.060 partners or sexual partners.

00:05:17.460 The key points of this hypothesis are, one, pornography provides a small dose of reproductive 0.93

00:05:23.840 fitness cues while video games offer status and community cues.

00:05:28.520 Two, these virtual experiences act as counterfeit fitness cues, meaning men feel as if their sexual

00:05:35.200 needs are being met to some degree.

00:05:37.660 Three, as a result, these online worlds reduce motivation for engaging in real life meeting

00:05:42.900 effort and risky behavior associated with the quote unquote young male syndrome.

00:05:47.920 Four, this sedation effect may explain why there isn't more violence or disruption from an

00:05:53.860 increasing number of men who are not having sex.

00:05:56.620 Five, the hypothesis suggests that modern society is essentially short-circuiting men's natural

00:06:02.220 drives, reducing their motivation to seek goals and accomplish things in the real world.

00:06:07.900 Wilson argues that this phenomenon, Williamson argues that this phenomenon could be contributing

00:06:13.440 to the decline in dating efforts among young men, as well as potentially explaining lower

00:06:18.700 levels of sexual and non-sexual violence than otherwise might be expected.

00:06:24.840 Huh.

00:06:28.500 I guess I could see that.

00:06:30.100 I'm so impressed with AI these days that it can take his theory and I feel like really effectively

00:06:35.040 boil it down and then give me a good summary.

00:06:37.240 And I'm like, oh yeah, that's, that's a good point.

00:06:39.700 That's a good way to look at it.

00:06:41.340 Yeah.

00:06:42.460 But I think it misses anything.

00:06:44.820 Do I think it what?

00:06:46.060 Misses anything.

00:06:47.380 No, not from what I've heard.

00:06:48.720 No, this is, this is fairly accurate.

00:06:50.660 It's that young men in a historic perspective, they want, had a desire to mate, but they also

00:06:57.440 had a desire to hunt and war and go on the kill and everything. 1.00

00:07:02.460 And this desire has been masturbated by masturbating. 0.99

00:07:05.560 I mean, using something that's not the thing that's supposed to fulfill that emotion to fulfill 0.99

00:07:10.660 that emotion in various ways.

00:07:13.500 Historically, probably the most common is sports, right? 0.90

00:07:17.740 Like sports very clearly is meant to masturbate young men's desire for war.

00:07:23.120 You know, somebody who was on Chris Williams show, what they were talking was like, yeah,

00:07:26.440 I played paintball for the first time when I was younger.

00:07:29.160 And then I was like, oh, this is like weirdly fun.

00:07:32.300 Like, even though I don't contextualize, and I was the same way growing up.

00:07:35.720 I didn't contextualize myself as a particularly masculine man.

00:07:38.360 Yeah.

00:07:38.580 Why does this feel so good?

00:07:40.740 Yeah.

00:07:41.020 Why, why do I enjoy going with a group of friends and hunting other people to shoot?

00:07:46.880 You know, why is this like, just feel so natural?

00:07:50.260 And I think it's because it is natural.

00:07:51.840 It's the way that we're programmed.

00:07:53.780 But I think that probably you're going to be mentally healthier as a young person.

00:07:57.400 And this is why I would encourage my kids to do this with more physical versions of this.

00:08:04.500 So for example, while I think video games are useful in masturbating this instinct to some

00:08:08.940 extent, I would strongly recommend my kids join a local paintball club or something like that.

00:08:14.960 Because I think that the pain associated with that and the actual physical exhaustion.

00:08:19.260 Yeah, the actual physical exertion.

00:08:20.700 Totally.

00:08:21.280 It does more to fully fulfill these pathways and ensure that their brain doesn't think

00:08:25.940 that they're, well, I don't know, some sort of a eunuch, you know, growing up in Babylon.

00:08:31.520 And that's, when I say growing up in Babylon, people may not know.

00:08:33.940 So one of the King Xerxes, the first one, I want to say it was Xerxes, who conquered and

00:08:39.680 formed the Persian Empire.

00:08:41.520 You know, he has a quote where he says something along the lines of, because people are like,

00:08:45.180 why aren't you moving our capital outside of the like barren mountains, right?

00:08:49.100 Like, this is a horrible area.

00:08:50.420 We've conquered all these wealthy cities.

00:08:52.500 And he goes, the moment we move to the wealthy cities and we raise our children in the wealthy

00:08:56.220 cities, they will become weak.

00:08:58.080 Like strong areas breed strong children.

00:09:00.880 Weak areas breed weak children.

00:09:02.300 And would you know, it was in a generation of moving the capital of Babylon, like the

00:09:06.600 most city of cities, I think it was two generations, actually, they ended up collapsing as an empire.

00:09:12.180 And that's because I think he was fundamentally right.

00:09:15.700 You know, if you fulfill these with lower order things, you will get lower order outcomes.

00:09:22.840 Now with sexuality itself, do I believe sexuality is actually fully being sublimated by pornography?

00:09:31.360 Yeah.

00:09:32.300 Yes, I do.

00:09:33.720 In the studies where it showed higher rates of murder and stuff like that tied to single men, 0.97

00:09:38.520 these are societies that completely ban porn and masturbation because they're Muslim societies mostly is where you're seeing this. 0.95

00:09:45.580 Yeah. 0.99

00:09:45.700 And so, yeah, it would make sense that in those societies, the system would end up getting fully activated and you would get the murder, murderful.

00:09:53.020 Whereas here you can sedate.

00:09:54.620 Oh, hmm.

00:09:56.080 But yeah, all the more reason to not ban porn.

00:09:59.400 Come on, people.

00:10:00.620 Well, actually, we'll do an episode.

00:10:03.680 Hold on.

00:10:04.100 I'll pull up the statistic right here.

00:10:06.180 So this is actually from our book, The Pragmatist Guide to Sexuality.

00:10:09.700 Across nations, more permissive attitudes for pornography are correlated with lower rates of grape and less sexual violence against women.

00:10:16.760 A great case study of this can be seen with the Czech Republic, where porn was illegal under communism, then legalized when the party fell.

00:10:23.980 This decriminalization of pornography caused, in one year, grapes to decline over 37%.

00:10:31.900 Oh, my gosh.

00:10:32.700 What are the human lives that are affected by this?

00:10:35.400 Yeah.

00:10:35.700 And child sexual abuse by about 50%. 0.80

00:10:40.680 How many children are you consigning to grape? 0.98

00:10:43.980 Can people stop coming for a porn? 0.98

00:10:45.780 Come here, kids! 1.00

00:10:47.260 I'm going to tie you in the radiator and grape me up! 1.00

00:10:50.520 Okay.

00:10:50.900 These kids were obviously horrified.

00:10:52.880 Not that, girl.

00:10:53.980 Look, she's totally asking for it. 1.00

00:10:56.420 What?

00:10:57.180 Look at her.

00:10:58.060 She's begging to get graped. 1.00

00:11:01.480 Will you listen to yourself?

00:11:03.280 Look what she's wearing. 1.00

00:11:05.380 Look what she's wearing. 1.00

00:11:07.600 It's purple. 0.99

00:11:10.020 It is so dumb, the people who want this. 0.98

00:11:14.040 Similar results were seen when porn laws were loosened in Denmark, Japan, China, and Hong Kong. 0.99

00:11:18.920 Wow.

00:11:19.180 Other studies reinforce these results, such as one in aggression and behavior.

00:11:23.200 This study was titled, The Pleasure is Momentary, the Expense Damnable, the Influence of Pornography on Grape and Sexual Assault, that found an inverse correlation between porn consumption and violent behavior towards women, specifically grape and sexual assaults.

00:11:39.080 The study findings suggest the more porn a man consumes, the less likely he is to commit these violent acts against women.

00:11:47.180 And you find this across the board.

00:11:48.600 We're going to do another episode where we just go over this.

00:11:50.420 But another great one is, for every 10% increase in internet access in the U.S., there is a corresponding regional decrease of 7.3% in grapes.

00:11:58.680 so basically all of the evidence that i don't think he even knew this evidence that i just

00:12:14.860 went over suggests that he is right and these things are intrinsically connected the reason

00:12:21.060 why we haven't had an incel uprising is pornography online pornography oh thank goodness

00:12:27.260 and video games and paintball but the question becomes what's the correct amount to engage with

00:12:34.140 these things simone because yeah right literally we don't want our kids completely neutered by these 1.00

00:12:40.180 you know fake masturbatory sources of pleasure but we also want them to be able to utilize them

00:12:48.040 judiciously so that they aren't just distracted by these evolutionary drives that they just are

00:12:56.340 irrelevant in a modern context we don't drive you know perfect value aligned you know it's very much 0.90

00:13:02.020 like the something about mary you know you gotta masturbate before you go on a date or you'll be 0.84

00:13:05.820 too horny to think straight line oh look the most honest moment in a man's life are the few minutes 0.97

00:13:14.960 after he's blown his load and the reason for it is that you're no longer trying to get laid you're

00:13:19.880 actually you're thinking like a girl and girls love that what is the right way to engage with this

00:13:27.360 stuff given that it doesn't short circuit the male brain so effectively yeah my intuition is that we

00:13:32.400 need to go back and you know this is couched in me not being a like trad wife fan right i'm not like

00:13:40.220 let's go back to the 50s because it was so perfect then but that seems to be the right level and let me

00:13:46.640 explain why there was porn absolutely there was porn but you had to go buy it in a magazine like it

00:13:51.960 wasn't unlimited so it was like it was in in inherently what's the word for like when you're

00:13:58.780 controlling doses but these were small controlled doses like you couldn't overdose basically based on

00:14:05.580 the supply that was readily available to you like you could go a lot of people by the way if you're

00:14:10.500 talking well i i actually disagree with this oh really well i think the porn of the 50s so i i have

00:14:16.540 a actually pretty strange moral relationship with pornography no no no i know i'm not saying we

00:14:22.900 go back to that style it could all be hentai it could all be whatever okay yeah i know i i think

00:14:27.720 that the porn industry that features real humans is fundamentally unethical and shouldn't exist no i'm

00:14:33.400 all for hentai but like i think what you if we went back to where you could like you had to buy

00:14:39.180 like small packets it's not just hentai i think you've got to have ai porn you can have digital art porn

00:14:43.880 you can have you have any porn that doesn't use real people but i also think that the bible talks

00:14:48.580 about this as well so the bible says that you should not lust over other women when you're

00:14:54.600 married you should you should you know to to look at another woman and lust over her is the same as 0.66

00:15:00.900 creating adultery and i think that that's what it's pointing towards is that pornography should

00:15:06.220 not include real women because of the downstream negative effects of that industry thank goodness for 1.00

00:15:10.720 hentai then okay but here's the question what about something like only fans a lot of people use

00:15:16.320 that to pay you know for their you know families and kids and it's do you think that that should be

00:15:22.780 legal wait what only fans should only fans be legal

00:15:30.100 see i'm still like in favor of you know a lot of people earn money doing what they want to do

00:15:41.740 and honestly for many women i don't think it works um i don't think it works in a modern context people

00:15:48.580 will use vpns people will use all the countries i know that actually have pornography bans just

00:15:53.600 everyone gets around no you're right yeah and i'm saying like you were saying in an ideal world like

00:15:58.500 i i can't i'm saying not in an ideal world i'm saying now for our kids oh for our kids relate

00:16:04.620 to this how do you teach them to engage with these things to achieve optimal outcomes well so i think

00:16:11.300 one of the key things is for us to be very open with it to the point where we make it not cool

00:16:15.760 not so we're not making it shameful because that's very damaging we found that like you know for example

00:16:21.480 masturbation only really seems to be damaging if you like turn it into an addiction or if you're very

00:16:27.020 ashamed of it and then you like feel really bad about it and it causes us all these negative side

00:16:30.960 effects so i don't want to shame porn for our kids but i do want to make it thoroughly uncool

00:16:36.240 and if we're like hey would you like some porn like let's talk about this and like you know my mom was

00:16:41.820 actually like that when i was a kid she's like hey you're at that age do you want me to get some

00:16:45.140 porn for you i know you can't buy it yourself and be like so what are you into you know just like to

00:16:49.560 really really make them uncomfortable and so they they're they're aware of it and like but we also make

00:16:55.300 it uncool because i don't want them to be like ah look at me i'm so great for having discovered this

00:17:01.540 um no i actually think that that's key and that's why i never i'm also going to be like you know boys

00:17:07.080 you got to wash your sheets and you got to use the separate washing machine because i am not

00:17:11.060 dealing with that was the same with me was my parents and drugs is is my mom had a role that was 0.97

00:17:16.680 like well you can have drugs but you have to ask me to buy it like you want marijuana i'll get it for

00:17:21.100 you but you know give me marijuana okay here you can have marijuana but i have to be the one to buy

00:17:25.420 it and it just made it so uncool when other kids would come and they would like brag about like

00:17:31.480 smoking dope with their friends and stuff like that i was just like you mean that thing that moms give

00:17:36.900 you like why do you think that this makes you cool like it was very easy for me to see through the

00:17:45.420 social temptation when i had first engaged it as that thing you have to ask your mom for

00:17:50.820 and it was the same with pornography right like it was very not cool like to me at that age because

00:17:59.200 i was like and i think that that really helped me intellectualize it at a very young age i think the

00:18:06.680 bands on it caused it to become this alluring thing to people where for me my actual obsession

00:18:14.380 with fetishes and stuff like that comes more from how intellectually strange it is to me

00:18:20.940 like why are humans doing these things when i don't understand the evolutionary pressures that

00:18:26.560 would have led them to do these things or it doesn't make sense with my understanding of human

00:18:30.660 evolution probably what got you first excited about them was you realized that you could play

00:18:35.660 arbitrage games if you pandered to other people's fetishes

00:18:40.580 you know and i use that a lot with the girls that i was dating in the early days

00:18:45.700 you know when you when you go to a girl and you're like yeah i'm gonna i i well then the thing was is

00:18:51.340 back when i was dating in in the early days and this is something guys don't do and and somehow they

00:18:56.500 don't notice that girls do this girls walk around when they are if you're if you're dating and you're in 1.00

00:19:03.960 that younger phase of your life like early 20s late teens the girls of that age range walk around 0.98

00:19:10.900 with their porn constantly but you just might not recognize it as porn because it is their romance

00:19:18.580 novels and their dystopian books and their vampire books and their fairy books but girls have like the 0.52

00:19:25.980 ultimate place to learn a girl's fetishes to go to her goodreads profile yeah they like and i think

00:19:33.180 guys don't recognize this because they see porn as in and fetishes as like something shameful that they

00:19:38.400 don't talk about in public when it's like often a big part of like late teen girls identity totally

00:19:44.300 and guys miss it because they don't know to look there they don't know well because again and this is 0.89

00:19:51.300 demonstrated through dick pics guys think that women relate to sex the same way they do so they're like 0.99

00:19:56.840 well what would i love to receive oh like a picture of her genitals i'll send her picture of mine 1.00

00:20:02.880 aren't i being nice as you say in the book on sexuality it's the ultimate feminist move yes 1.00

00:20:09.700 but you know you see a girl back in my you know days the most common was like vampires or werewolves

00:20:15.500 walking around with vampire books you know to come to her was your story of well you know i've just

00:20:21.180 always had this shameful fetish around vampire stuff and i don't feel i can talk about it publicly

00:20:27.780 but you've seen all of her books you know what she thinks of this and then all of a sudden she's

00:20:34.220 like oh really well blah blah blah blah but that's just the way it's it's actually remarkable to me

00:20:46.300 and i think that this is the the core challenge of all this is that guys just aren't beginning to

00:20:50.780 engage with girls anymore because all of these alternative sources they provide an excuse for a 1.00

00:20:55.660 it's like well i don't want to be me too i don't want to be x i don't want to be y yeah you know so

00:21:01.580 i'm just not gonna go out there and it's so dangerous to go out there and chris williamson

00:21:07.080 also had a fun idea about how to fix it which is like the next company i want to do it is to create

00:21:12.640 an ai that is trained on women to flirt and turn down guys so that guys can practice knowing when 0.91

00:21:22.400 they're being flirted with and knowing like the way to ask out a girl in a safe way before doing

00:21:29.000 it was the real thing wow wouldn't that be great to have for our young boys oh yeah no we need to

00:21:36.280 make this at least just for our kids yeah i'm definitely building it if somebody else doesn't

00:21:40.660 build this i'm 100 building so i'm gonna do it i've gotten pretty good at programming chat bots and

00:21:46.900 they're very high quality at this stage so i can do this for free which is something i didn't

00:21:51.620 realize when i first recorded this build a pretty high quality model of this with the existing

00:21:56.860 nsfw chat bots and i'll be doing it i think it would be a lot of like a real utility as a product so

00:22:06.400 that my kids don't end up because this is the problem when dating as a young man if you mess up

00:22:12.820 right you can cross implied consent lines which make a simple mistake great and if you are sleeping

00:22:24.340 around a ton like i did you know i slept with like well over 100 people before i settled down it i only

00:22:31.420 need to mess up with one of those people and now i'm a grapist if i misjudged implied consent just

00:22:37.300 one percent of the time in this current world i would still be accused of being a grapist that is

00:22:44.540 wild it's also important to consider because this is something you know women don't talk about much 1.00

00:22:53.300 and they over i think dismiss what the red pill community has found and says which is that women

00:23:00.420 really don't find it hot to actively give consent they kind of like the guy to take charge of the

00:23:08.380 situation and to show that he can actively judge whether or not they are consenting to moving

00:23:13.880 forwards and that is you know you remove a lot of especially for younger people when they're way

00:23:21.840 hornier and way more driven by what is arousing to them you are making it so that the men who follow

00:23:27.900 these rules that girls are setting are going to do much worse with girls and have girlfriends or 1.00

00:23:35.800 partners who are much less infatuated with them like it's hard to read like and this is the other

00:23:43.820 thing that like the modern world doesn't take into consent consideration because they just haven't i

00:23:50.080 guess slept around a lot but like anyone who has knows you cannot reliably determine consent that's not

00:23:57.060 being actively given to you if somebody is not actively and verbally declining consent and

00:24:02.140 somebody can be like well you know they you you just ask yeah that's a mood killer that's not

00:24:07.380 something that people who are actually also like that's i even that feels like a completely moot point

00:24:12.880 now because even if you killed the mood and did that they could retroactively decide to revoke consent

00:24:21.380 yeah so like what's the point like i'm not gonna bother asking for consent if it could just be

00:24:25.880 revoked later on if like suddenly i become less cool and they decide that they now regret having slept

00:24:32.220 with me even though the you know for the first eight weeks it was fine so i just yeah like you can't win

00:24:39.280 but that is that is interesting it makes me concerned what one thing i kind of wonder is is do you get

00:24:48.080 the free radical problem or do you get essentially like risky young men in a society where porn isn't

00:24:54.700 necessarily banned but where nofap is pervasive like in other words is a nofap man who consensually 0.99

00:25:01.760 has limited his access is he going to make himself into a radical and unhappy yeah i think he is much

00:25:09.300 more likely to become radicalized from the data we have access to oh see that's that's scary because

00:25:15.060 i feel like that's where the sentiment is going i think that that gen z and gen alpha are going to

00:25:20.500 be more religiously and socially conservative whether or not it codes that way like you know 0.78

00:25:25.960 they're going to be all very like lgbtq plus whatever but they're also going to be like sex 0.99

00:25:29.600 negative porn negative masturbation negative and then you're going to get this theoretically then 0.99

00:25:35.220 that's not good yeah that's actually something that we should be worried about socially speaking 0.98

00:25:41.560 and oh add it to the list add it to the list no well and and and you don't want the left to

00:25:48.420 learn about this that they learn that this stuff causes radicalization because these guys aren't

00:25:52.960 having their needs met and so they're sort of going into genetic uh boobicide mode that is really

00:26:00.060 dangerous socially why because that you think the left would want to accelerate the revolution that

00:26:05.120 brings an end to late capitalism would see things like nofap as a sign of they'd see it as

00:26:11.060 dangerous and they try to kill the movement wouldn't it be good if the nofap movement was killed

00:26:16.860 isn't isn't the movement that we want yes fap yes well we've got to do another episode that'll go 0.80

00:26:25.620 live before this one that requires more context i'm gonna go over all the science of masturbation

00:26:30.720 research because i think that that's really needed for the context on this question which is to say

00:26:36.700 nofap is genuinely probably a deleterious movement for our society well you already pointed out that 1.00

00:26:42.400 it is because basically if men are not sedating themselves they are going to make themselves more 0.82

00:26:46.680 dangerous to society well yeah it's kind of like look at it this way look at it this way okay

00:26:51.860 if you if you have schizophrenia you could be a danger to yourself and others you need to take

00:26:56.580 medication if you have severe anxiety you could be a danger to yourself and others you should 0.51

00:27:01.560 probably take medications you can function like if you're not getting sex that craziness is what

00:27:08.280 provides them with the motivation to go talk to women where they could go to jail because they

00:27:14.080 talked to her in the wrong way where they could be shut down and socially shamed going up and

00:27:19.020 approaching somebody in a dating context is incredibly difficult and the line between the motivation you

00:27:25.600 need to go up and approach a random woman who you're interested in and the motivation you need to shoot up

00:27:30.820 your school i think is a much narrower line oh no no no no i feel honestly like in many ways shooting up

00:27:38.860 a school is way easier you know because like and that's the point you need the guys to have this

00:27:44.220 insane motivation yeah yeah if you if you well here's the way i would change this okay hold on hold on let

00:27:53.040 me mute myself i think that the way i would teach our kids to relate to this is i think you know and

00:27:59.940 i've mentioned this before in other episodes i think that ultimately we need to remove a human

00:28:04.300 arousal from humans i think it's the first emotion that just absolutely must be deleted it provides no

00:28:09.660 utility it was meant for monkeys that couldn't figure out the utility of children and so they needed to

00:28:16.060 feel some positive thing to figure out the x goes in the y and that makes babies and babies are

00:28:21.980 good for me we should have a world where people are making children for the sake of the children

00:28:30.180 the reason they're excited to get a wife and have a family is for the family not for the sex i think

00:28:35.800 people who marry for sex like that is a fundamentally twisted reason to marry and it will lead to really 0.59

00:28:45.320 bad relationships and i think that this is one of the core problems you have in evangelical communities

00:28:49.440 is people are essentially getting pressured to marry so that they are allowed to have sex 0.81

00:28:56.120 and they aren't even allowed to masturbate like of course they're making rash decisions

00:29:02.260 so instead i would say that i really don't care if my kids satiate their arousal pathways with any sort of

00:29:13.520 whatever material they want i think that they should instead refocus their drives in life

00:29:20.900 around building families because the happiness they will get from the family is higher than any

00:29:28.860 amount of happiness you can get from any amount of sex that you're getting even if you're sleeping

00:29:34.040 was like you know there were times in my life where you know i'd have threesomes and i'd have

00:29:38.200 multiple partners and i'd have sleep with famous people and i you know the amount of happiness that

00:29:44.920 any of that gave me is absolutely minuscule when contrasted with the amount of happiness i get from

00:29:55.000 my kids and my wife and my family and so i think that yeah it's pointless it's pointless like like

00:30:01.940 if they can well the nature of the pleasure is so different like the the pleasure i've gotten from

00:30:07.200 sex has been no different from the pleasure i've gotten from like a really good meal or from like 0.69

00:30:13.280 fentanyl like they're all they're all the same they're they're a physical yeah pleasure and they're real

00:30:22.160 like i'm not gonna say like sex feels good fentanyl feels good and food feels good like you know if

00:30:27.380 they're good but there's nothing they don't they're completely it's like a different game entirely

00:30:34.060 compared to what it's like to be married to you malcolm quite frankly which is just like all my

00:30:39.500 dreams coming true and then some or are watching our kids grow and seeing the sparkle in their eye

00:30:44.680 that they inherited from you it is marvelous but it is also very different so in a world in which someone

00:30:51.220 lives a nihilistic and purely hedonistic life i guess you know if they're just comparing sex to food

00:30:56.940 to fentanyl then like what but i think if you can make the point of dating the family the family that

00:31:03.760 they are going to get from that relationship i think that's the key well and that's i mean like

00:31:09.720 part of my my pushback to you saying you have to have men who are brave enough to just cold approach

00:31:15.100 a woman i don't think you do because i don't think that approach ever will scale or really work 0.98

00:31:21.200 honestly like we've reached a point in society where like cold approaching women in in the kind of 0.99

00:31:26.760 way that men are expected to now is not going to work for 80 percent of men it's going to work for

00:31:32.140 20 and right now it is only working for 20 and how dare you imply that it should work you're in the top 0.97

00:31:37.720 0.001 so fuck you you're not allowed to talk okay it's really hard for people out there and i think the 0.97

00:31:44.340 only way that we can fix this is by bringing back dating markets and i actually don't think that's a 0.99

00:31:49.180 far-fetched thing to do one because the alternative is already so broken but two because both men and 0.98

00:31:54.640 women from their teens through their 30s and even 40s have expressed to us again and again how awesome

00:32:03.560 they would love they would love this it's an awesome idea where can i sign up like put me on the list put

00:32:09.280 my kids on the list people want these and and people are actively trying to go out and find and hire

00:32:15.740 matchmakers and use matchmaking services they just aren't very they're not designed well because there's

00:32:21.040 not enough of a cohesive culture and to your point yes it is about dating a family the whole family has

00:32:25.560 to have buy-in and you have to have cultural buy-in and cultural match as well but i do think that you

00:32:30.200 can build solutions around that and i do think there are ways to address this i think keeper ai may be

00:32:36.100 making some progress there and some other people i'm sure will come up with some interesting things

00:32:41.740 so yeah to your point like i i think i think yes vap has to be a thing and i think it's it's a band-aid

00:32:50.040 to a known problem and yes you but i think you know you you you need you need yes vap you also need

00:32:57.980 like boy scouts and paintball and like allowing men to be men and allowing men to date and like get out

00:33:05.940 there and making it a cultural norm and you know when you have that and when you make people

00:33:11.920 comfortable doing it and create venues and activities where it's allowed to happen

00:33:15.300 it's great bring the bring the girls paintballing then you can act heroic in front of them then you

00:33:20.520 can bond over the trauma of being hit you know like whatever you can protect them um wait girls you

00:33:27.480 want you want to find a guy in your young do something like paintballing i really that sounds

00:33:32.100 high status in among males like talk about playing the arbitrage game wow yeah yeah that's like being

00:33:38.600 a guy cheerleader i heard a great tactic along this line from one of the girls on our discord server 0.97

00:33:45.080 today uh who's now married this worked to find her husband where she said what she would do is she 1.00

00:33:50.440 would challenge guys to a fight when they were dieting and i was like that is such a great way as a

00:33:56.620 girl to be incredibly what is functionally sexually aggressive without a guy coding it 0.99

00:34:03.180 yeah while also being like tough there while also being tough oh sorry i didn't i'm coding right now

00:34:09.600 all right this is hanging here she's there her food's there diapers are there i love you love you too

00:34:14.800 be safe when you drive okay i will but yes to to one and people can be like well why would this be

00:34:22.600 sexually aggressive because what's realistically going to happen in this fight i can tell you 0.55

00:34:26.540 as a guy who's not completely idiotic what most guys are gonna do is they are going to either 1.00

00:34:34.780 puss out in which case she knows pussy not a cultural fit likely or be interested in actually 1.00

00:34:41.180 fighting her if they are interested in actually fighting her almost no guy is gonna throw the first 0.99

00:34:46.880 blow what they're gonna do is they're gonna wait for her to make a move to see how serious she is 1.00

00:34:51.780 about this um if she does a medium hit she doesn't want to be too hard because you don't want him

00:34:55.960 to actually you want him to know that even she was holding back a bit um but if she does that

00:35:02.400 what is the guy gonna do uh even if she went fully hard what a guy is likely gonna do is what i would

00:35:07.820 do which is grab her wrists and hold her in place because it's very easy to overpower most girls 1.00

00:35:13.340 even girls who exercise if you're a guy who exercises to any extent um or if i don't think i can

00:35:20.460 just hold her arms in place to grapple her both of those lead to very sexualized scenarios which are

00:35:26.880 very easy to transition for the girl into something else and very easy to tell that the guy is actually

00:35:33.200 interested in her because the guy isn't going to do something like that or allow the situation to

00:35:37.560 escalate like that if he isn't interested in potentially getting physical with you because

00:35:41.580 he knows what's going to happen in the fight just as well as you know what's going to happen in the

00:35:45.100 fight and it can also signal cultural alignment to the guy which can be really useful because it's

00:35:49.520 quite a rough and tumble thing to do from anyone who's from one of the clan cultures 1.00

00:35:52.500 are we gonna have our girls paintball i haven't seen a paintball place around here

00:35:56.640 oh we'll find one and i don't know if they're like you know we're gonna have to see if there

00:36:01.100 are hot teens hanging out at the gun range yeah they used to be you go to the mall to meet random

00:36:06.080 people but now we'll have our online circles yeah i i was gonna say like i i i should note here on the

00:36:12.860 the sexuality stuff i'm gonna read a few more because it looks like this might go live before i went on

00:36:17.100 masturbation yeah here's another quote masturbation may contribute to a decline in many social ills 0.91

00:36:22.080 ucla researchers found that sex criminals on average consume less porn than the average person 0.92

00:36:27.440 and started consuming it at a later age than the average non-sex criminal forgot about today sex

00:36:33.440 criminals been able to explore their sexuality through their imagination earlier perhaps they

00:36:38.060 would not have felt compelled to commit sex crimes and here i'd also point out oh yes people who consume

00:36:43.900 more pornography actually have better views of women than people who don't consume yeah they

00:36:48.540 were more feminist right yes yeah yeah and and for people who are like no what what what about like 1.00

00:36:55.200 wasn't there there was also one that that women who consume porn because the thought is that like 1.00

00:36:59.180 it also makes women feel terrible about themselves but instead women who consume porn are more sexually 1.00

00:37:03.680 confident oh yeah yeah that's definitely a study here's here's another quote so we did recall a study

00:37:08.900 being conducted by the max plank institute showing that the in that intense porn consumption in men

00:37:15.080 was associated with lower gray matter volume in the brain so we went back to the only study to realize

00:37:21.240 that what it actually found was that men who consumed lots of porn had lower amounts of gray matter in a

00:37:26.000 specific part of the brain the rights triadum this is the part of the brain involved was reward processing

00:37:31.680 oh is that men who have deficient reward processing pathways consume more porn uh okay yeah they

00:37:40.400 probably also like consume more processed goods and relation than causation yeah and wouldn't you know

00:37:46.660 it that is what the authors of the study have also said in interviews um it's actually wild to me how

00:37:53.920 just like astroturf no crap is it's a it is it's like a it's like a any of these cold turkey

00:38:01.420 things i just get pissed you know and that's another thing if you do struggle with porn consumption 0.68

00:38:06.000 just take naltrexone bro yeah dude it like alcohol works for porn it it significantly so people might

00:38:14.280 think i drink a lot but that's because they haven't seen malcolm pre-naltrexone i drink in a controlled

00:38:20.600 fashion these days and back then i drank in an old uncontrolled fashion yeah but i i also have to note for people

00:38:28.320 are like you never got drunk though you were just you were just like a an old english man 0.91

00:38:33.060 talking like 1600s english man i remember when you made the rule for me that i wasn't allowed to

00:38:38.860 start drinking because you know you you were like it's becoming a problem and she said i couldn't

00:38:43.620 start before 8 a.m and that would keep in mind that malcolm wakes up when i broke the rules

00:38:48.260 so i mean that's that's dude that's

00:38:53.000 you know if most people started drinking eight hours into the day

00:38:58.340 yeah now now i never really start drinking before you know five or so

00:39:06.120 it's fantastic so it's like basically you don't start drinking until like 10 p.m

00:39:10.920 a normal person's time because again you wake up at 2 a.m

00:39:13.680 yeah so i just want to make it clear like how reasonable you're being because you wake up so

00:39:20.080 freaking early okay well we'll get into this in our porn episode but it's something that shouldn't

00:39:25.440 be known for those who are like well sounds wrong taken out of context my religion helps me not

00:39:30.900 consume as much porn across the board the more restrictions your religion has on pornography

00:39:37.800 the more you will consume pornography this is like a well-studied inter-regional across religions

00:39:44.880 you find this in evangelical protestants you find this at catholics one of my favorite anecdotes around

00:39:49.620 this is once a girl's gone wild that actually accidentally aired was the daily it was like the

00:39:55.120 2 a.m good friday mass oh no and it was the highest sales they'd ever had no oh no but it gets

00:40:03.800 eaten with catholicism you can just apologize so i feel like they were asking for it you know

00:40:09.760 that's not their fault and you know which state has the highest porn consumption in the united states

00:40:13.880 it's got to be in the bible belt where utah oh mormons ain't getting off the hook either 0.87

00:40:19.780 anyway love you love you too coming down

00:40:23.260 and recording anyway i love you to death simone i love you too i'm gonna cut your hair now okay

00:40:30.660 all right come on down okay and you are perfect yeah good timing she just finished this so here i

00:40:37.240 come snip snip back here i love i love that you became such a good barber over covid covid i think

00:40:43.740 for so many people it was like oh you don't need to go out to get your hair cut i well and it's like

00:40:48.500 60 a haircut or more yeah it's insane i we save so much money everyone else did sourdough and hair

00:40:57.860 no one no one is still doing sourdough but i think a lot of people are still doing haircuts and

00:41:02.140 you can tell by hairstyles have changed and you can see stores like there's there's there are fewer

00:41:08.160 male haircuts that are like clearly from a salon and like the typical hairstyle is one that you can do

00:41:14.500 with one of the things and some scissors so i hope even after i become president you're still cutting my

00:41:20.980 hair that would be so cute on the white house lawn yeah i would love to take out to our field so we

00:41:28.340 don't have to like mop up afterwards i know see but like the white house is perfect for that there's 0.65

00:41:33.000 plenty of lawn for me to go out and cut your hair so yeah oh by the way what was i gonna do

00:41:37.720 yeah one person did say you being on the left made him irrationally angry

00:41:43.120 it bothers people we have to keep everyone in their correct place malcolm

00:41:50.240 um are women always supposed to be the left hand of a man or the right hand of a man 1.00

00:41:56.640 they're supposed to be to the left so that the man can shield them from

00:42:03.700 the the backsplash of cars splashing on the road you're you're my human shield

00:42:10.620 can it do not do not do not do not fall to the right hand of a man or the right hand of a man

00:42:13.900 avoid the bike

00:42:16.700 tempest

00:42:18.840 the job

00:42:19.980 so

00:42:22.380 that this way

00:42:24.520 so

00:42:29.820 that this way

00:42:32.760 there

00:42:33.360 so

00:42:34.360 you

Based Camp - August 16, 2024

Why Is There Not More Incel Violence？ The Male Sedation Hypothesis

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