Based Camp - Why Movie Stars Stopped Mattering + Why Did They Ever Matter？

00:00:00.000 Hello, Simone. Today, we are going to be doing something of a follow-up to an episode that we did recently that we called The Last Show on Earth on how, you know, sort of Hollywood and the zeitgeist movie or the zeitgeist television show was no longer a thing.

00:00:17.060 And the thing that sort of connected the world was U.S. political theater and the conversation around that. The Trump White House, the Trump, the Elon thing, everything like that, right?

00:00:31.140 Today, we're going to be focused on the other side of this, which is the collapse of celebrity culture.

00:00:37.520 And how little relevance, and I think you'll be shocked by some of the stats that we're going to go into, celebrities have on our society anymore.

00:00:46.000 Really?

00:00:47.720 Yeah, well, there's been some recent, you know, just absolute caning of Emma Watson.

00:00:52.400 I don't know if you saw this by J.K. Rowling, where Emma Watson is basically like, hey, you know, I'm besties with J.K. Rowling, I'll always be friends with her. 0.82

00:01:01.220 And it's like, we remember everything you were saying about her, you psychopath.

00:01:06.120 Like, J.K. Rowling remembers when you thought it was cool to defend this whole trans thing and the gender transition of minors and forcing women in spaces where they are not safe to have trans women inserted into them, whether it's prisons or anywhere else.

00:01:23.580 And J.K. Rowling was like, hey, can we have, like, a reasonable conversation about this?

00:01:28.640 Which, really, she got defenestrated before she began to go more and more right.

00:01:34.080 It's very similar to Elon.

00:01:35.120 Absolutely.

00:01:35.300 You don't even ask, like, why is J.K. Rowling anti this?

00:01:38.900 It's like, not for religious reasons.

00:01:40.800 It's not for a discomfort of, like, a variety of sexual orientations.

00:01:44.800 Like, clearly, she's got some- 0.99

00:01:46.300 Dumbledore's gay! 0.99

00:01:47.380 Yes! 0.99

00:01:48.000 I mean, come on. 0.96

00:01:49.100 Yeah, she made everyone gay. 1.00

00:01:50.480 That was, like, the thing about her. 0.98

00:01:51.960 That they said, where she'd, like, post-hawk make a bunch of Harry Potter characters.

00:01:54.880 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.73

00:01:55.760 Her retroactive gayification. 0.96

00:01:58.040 And Dumbledore, I could see Dumbledore.

00:01:59.640 Like, yeah, that works.

00:02:01.520 Emma Watson is now like, oh, I don't care that much about those dudes anymore.

00:02:04.860 Now that it's, like, everyone can say that publicly now.

00:02:07.740 Now that, like, publicly we've accepted, oh, it doesn't kill someone to block transition.

00:02:13.460 Which we know now because the U.K. banned child transition and the unaliving rate in that population hasn't increased statistically.

00:02:19.680 So, like, we have an entire country where we have a very big sample and a very big study that was done on this.

00:02:25.280 And it did have the effect.

00:02:26.920 I can only imagine the existential horror of being a trans kid in the U.K. right now.

00:02:31.720 With people trying to get those unaliving numbers up to actually prove that not transitioning minors has any potential negative effects to them.

00:02:39.520 All you gotta do is just read the words on the teleprompter here.

00:02:42.320 Heh, okay.

00:02:43.780 Let's see how the transphobes deal with this.

00:02:46.700 You know, some people say there's no proof that...

00:02:49.260 Not transitioning children. 1.00

00:02:50.840 Kills.

00:02:51.960 I guess I'm the proof. 0.99

00:02:54.400 By the time you see this commercial, I'll be dead. 0.98

00:02:59.780 Dead.

00:03:00.840 That was fantastic.

00:03:02.420 What does that mean, I'll be dead?

00:03:04.300 That was very good, Eric.

00:03:06.180 Here, eat this cupcake.

00:03:08.840 It has sprinkles.

00:03:10.140 Do you know what a hero is?

00:03:13.280 A hero is somebody who sacrifices himself for the good of others.

00:03:17.280 You can be a hero, Eric.

00:03:20.600 Jesus Christ!

00:03:21.520 But to not talk on that, I also want to use Taylor Swift's decline recently in sort of the public eye as sort of a framing device for this.

00:03:32.120 Because I think in many ways, Taylor Swift was the last celebrity.

00:03:39.820 The last true pop star that had a giant fan base that cared what they thought, the drama in their lives, their politics.

00:03:50.160 And if you're young and you're watching this, you don't, like, get the way it used to be.

00:03:56.940 Okay?

00:03:57.580 When I was growing up, you would see people, celebrities, like actors, whose only qualification is that people knew them as actors, go on major news stations, like CNN or MSNBC, and give their thoughts on, like, wars or, like, political developments.

00:04:22.680 If you watch Team America World Police, the Matt Stone, Trey Parker, very good puppet thing, if you haven't seen it, I think it's hilarious.

00:04:30.380 And it's gotten a lot better with age as well.

00:04:32.440 It's like they really predicted a sort of zeitgeist.

00:04:35.340 And it's funny that when it came out, it was considered an anti-Republican movie because it was seen as criticizing American foreign policing, which was like a Republican issue.

00:04:47.800 And now it would be seen as a pro-Republican issue movie because it's criticizing America policing the rest of the world with our troops.

00:04:56.340 It's so interesting that that switched and it went from an anti to a pro-Republican movie.

00:05:00.360 And there's the Film Actors Guild, a.k.a. F.A.G.

00:05:05.820 Yes.

00:05:06.680 The point I was making here is the cultural power of celebrities was huge.

00:05:12.940 When you walk through checkout lines in stores, you know, any store, any grocery store growing up, I don't know if you have vivid memories of this, you would have these just, like, racks of magazines.

00:05:24.680 And the magazines would all be covering what was going on personally in celebrities' lives.

00:05:30.940 Oh, yeah.

00:05:31.680 100%.

00:05:32.200 Of course.

00:05:33.320 All the, yeah.

00:05:34.740 You might remember, go through today.

00:05:38.340 No.

00:05:39.100 Yeah, that's our baby that she's showing.

00:05:40.980 Sorry.

00:05:41.400 Yeah, I'm constantly watching him on his NICU cam.

00:05:43.860 Sorry.

00:05:44.360 Anyway.

00:05:45.320 The point here.

00:05:46.680 The celebrity gossip mags.

00:05:48.020 I mean, they still exist, Malta.

00:05:49.500 They are much rarer.

00:05:51.720 They are not, like, this dominant, in-your-face, screaming-at-you feature in every checkout line.

00:05:57.760 And they've lost a lot of readership and a lot of viewership, too.

00:06:00.800 I mean, there were also some really big online outlets that were prolific on this front, Perez, Hilton, Stella Bucci, I loved for a while.

00:06:09.220 But, like, now I go on them and I'm like, there's nothing here.

00:06:11.660 There's nothing going on.

00:06:13.200 There's nothing going on, yeah.

00:06:14.640 So this entire industry essentially fell apart.

00:06:18.300 And another really fun instance of this recently was the spaceship op-ed.

00:06:25.720 Oh, you mean when Katy Perry and Mrs. Jeff Bezos went into space.

00:06:31.400 Like, a bunch of other women were like, we're going to be the first women, all women in space. 0.98

00:06:35.820 Everything is love.

00:06:37.700 I feel so happy.

00:06:38.820 It was so chained.

00:06:40.980 What an accomplishment for women. 1.00

00:06:43.260 For women.

00:06:44.360 I did it for you, young girls.

00:06:46.400 So you could see that one day you could F a rich guy and go into space.

00:06:50.900 Obviously not with, like, your brains or talent or effort.

00:06:54.680 But, you know, what an accomplishment.

00:06:57.340 Very, what is it, like, deep sea, the submarine thing, you know, like.

00:07:01.720 Yeah.

00:07:02.040 The billionaire submarine.

00:07:03.660 But the whole, I think that the reason why they went up there and they did this is celebrity culture in the 90s was like, you would actually do stuff like this and everyone would be forced to cheer for you.

00:07:17.100 Like, because, and if people don't understand what led to this, I want to talk about, like, what led to this before I get into the statistics of what caused it all to break apart.

00:07:23.600 Okay.

00:07:23.840 Okay, so, and I think that this is a good instance.

00:07:25.960 Suppose a bunch of pop stars in the 90s decided to be the first all-female space thing. 1.00

00:07:31.940 Okay.

00:07:33.000 How do you, the public, get your news?

00:07:36.260 Right?

00:07:36.540 Like, what outlets do you have access to?

00:07:39.100 So you go to early odds, 90s.

00:07:41.220 You are getting it from TV, like CNN.

00:07:44.860 You're getting it from, like, The Daily Show.

00:07:47.480 You are getting it from, you know, celebrity gossip rags.

00:07:50.300 Right?

00:07:50.500 The problem is, is that none of those outlets could really criticize because I am a CNN, right?

00:07:57.460 Well, my parent company owns their label company, right?

00:08:02.720 Like, my parent company owns, for the movie stars, this is especially an issue because they're often owned by the same companies, right?

00:08:08.540 Like, this is why it was so hard to criticize Scientology for a long time.

00:08:11.880 Because the actors who are Scientologists would say, well, I won't promote my movie if The Daily Show or South Park is criticizing Scientology on another network, right?

00:08:22.880 Like, and so you basically could not publicly criticize these people.

00:08:27.820 And when you could publicly criticize them, it couldn't be for something that everyone knew, like their self-aggrandizing and went on a ship.

00:08:34.680 It had to be some sort of gossipy thing.

00:08:37.060 So the information just didn't go out there, right?

00:08:39.020 But today, we, the general public, can have our visceral reaction to people wasting a lot of money on something, seeking personal validation. 0.87

00:08:47.340 And we can just be like, that's ridiculous.

00:08:50.620 An investigation I want to get into.

00:08:51.880 Actually, I want your thoughts on this first before I go further into all of this.

00:08:56.280 What are your thoughts on why celebrities were ever given a mouse piece?

00:09:01.020 We literally didn't have anything else to talk about.

00:09:05.840 I mean, that is like if we were vapid.

00:09:08.460 And now there are so many more outlets for if you want vapid content that are so much better.

00:09:15.600 For example, the YA and romance novel world has exploded.

00:09:20.980 Our options are huge.

00:09:22.540 In terms of YouTube and TikTok, now there are so many micro-celebrities that you can really get deep into the life and get tons of gossip and dirt on people in a much more intimate way.

00:09:36.180 And an issue with original celebrity gossip was you never got enough.

00:09:41.320 You know, the front page would make so many promises.

00:09:44.200 And then it was just a bunch of conjecture from third parties speaking on background that you knew.

00:09:50.560 One, like the vast majority of it was manufactured.

00:09:53.440 And it also wasn't even substantive what you got.

00:09:56.340 And now you can get the real deal on social media.

00:09:59.900 And they're letting you into their lives.

00:10:02.300 They're giving you full behind-the-scenes access that there's just no way that actual or legacy celebrities can compete.

00:10:10.740 So that whole industry has gone bust.

00:10:13.840 Basically, no much better options are out there.

00:10:16.780 Well, that's interesting.

00:10:18.340 I think, I mean, there were other people who could talk on this stuff.

00:10:23.980 I actually think the main reason why celebrities were in our face so much was simply because the news stations were owned by the same people who owned the record labels and the movie production studios.

00:10:34.540 Well, that was even more the case when there were those movie studios that literally, like, ran every element of celebrities' lives.

00:10:40.540 You know, they did all their styling.

00:10:42.380 They chose what they wore.

00:10:43.180 That's why I don't care to hear an actor talk on, like, The Daily Show right back in the day.

00:10:49.620 I remember I was so disappointed whenever it was an actor.

00:10:51.540 Oh, because they had such bad takes.

00:10:54.580 They were so boring.

00:10:55.380 They were so basic.

00:10:56.400 They didn't write.

00:10:57.200 Literally, their intellect has nothing to do with their production of content.

00:11:03.700 So why is anything that their intellect produces going to be interesting to me, the viewer?

00:11:10.180 Yeah, it was very much like Zoolander captured that so well, where it's just like, you just do what they tell you to.

00:11:17.020 And, you know, they could tell, like, Zoolander dancing like a monkey. 0.92

00:11:19.700 You're a monkey, Derek. 0.99

00:11:22.440 You're a monkey. 0.99

00:11:23.260 Dance, monkey. 0.97

00:11:24.220 And you're a little spangly suit. 0.98

00:11:26.220 Bash your simbo simpy.

00:11:27.760 Dance, Derek. 0.85

00:11:28.660 Dance.

00:11:29.680 I mean, that is what, that didn't make, they didn't have interesting things to say.

00:11:34.520 They were good at being attractive and playing roles.

00:11:38.740 And that's kind of most of it.

00:11:40.320 Well, I actually think, actually, very interesting point there.

00:11:43.360 They were good at being attractive and playing roles.

00:11:46.180 And that's why celebrity culture went so woke.

00:11:48.960 That is why Emma Watson was so woke.

00:11:51.300 Because her job was playing a role.

00:11:53.560 So she looked at society and said, what's popular?

00:11:56.140 What's current thing?

00:11:57.600 I am going to.

00:11:58.180 Society says, dance, little monkey.

00:11:59.940 And I will dance like a little monkey.

00:12:02.040 And society was the left.

00:12:03.960 And it told you exactly how to dance.

00:12:05.800 And she did it.

00:12:06.480 Oh, that's great.

00:12:07.020 She's going to the UN, telling the UN what the UN wants to hear.

00:12:11.040 Yeah.

00:12:11.400 Wow.

00:12:11.780 I think Greta Thornburg was also a product of this kind of celebrity. 0.99

00:12:14.360 How dare you?

00:12:15.400 How double dare you?

00:12:17.700 Point to terror groups.

00:12:19.160 Don't make me frown. 0.93

00:12:21.720 Only the West must be torn down.

00:12:25.700 Cheer the rockets.

00:12:27.180 Praise the fight.

00:12:29.400 Freedom's wrong, but hate feels right.

00:12:33.360 Well, and she was a product. 0.99

00:12:36.720 Her mother was like an opera singer and her father was like, they were, it was a family

00:12:40.420 of performers slash like entertainment people.

00:12:43.200 So that also makes sense.

00:12:44.780 Yeah.

00:12:45.000 So, so to give you an idea of how much this has gone down, peak interactions were five

00:12:48.860 to 10 times higher on Greta and Emma Watson's 2019 post versus today's post.

00:12:55.700 Oh, wow.

00:12:56.040 So there's even been during recently a steep decline.

00:12:58.800 Yeah.

00:12:58.940 So Greta Thornburg's 2019 ex-followers surged from 100K to 4 million.

00:13:04.020 Now at 5.8 million, they plateaued.

00:13:06.800 Emma's following 28 million stable, but inactive.

00:13:09.520 Her last major activism push was in 2018.

00:13:11.900 We're going to get into the exact numbers of interactions.

00:13:13.900 Actually, I can just jump to the interactions here because I thought they were really interesting.

00:13:17.080 Okay.

00:13:17.260 So Emma Watson, 2016, he for she era, average likes on a top 10 post was 27,000.

00:13:25.600 And then 2024, more recently, the average likes, she only had one post in the top 10 0.80

00:13:30.320 that was more recent, was 5,900.

00:13:33.140 So 27,000 to 5,900 is what happened to Emma Watson.

00:13:36.060 Average repost went from 11,000 to 1,000.

00:13:40.600 If you look at Greta Thornburg pre-2020, it was around 165,000 average likes. 0.79

00:13:47.940 And if you look up more recently, 2024, it was 15,000 average likes.

00:13:53.100 So 165,000 to 15,000 average likes.

00:13:56.140 And then average repost, it went from 18,000 to 4,000.

00:13:59.000 So that's just absolutely catastrophic.

00:14:01.560 Now, also keep in mind that this is in part because X doesn't have their stands as much

00:14:07.420 anymore.

00:14:07.780 You know, they've moved to the smaller platforms like Blue Sky, so it's harder for them to gain

00:14:11.440 traction by like do current thing, right?

00:14:13.980 Yeah, yeah.

00:14:14.720 Never really having their own opinion on stuff.

00:14:17.380 And I think that the act like you have a role really worked for, it's what sort of led Harry

00:14:24.740 and Meghan to their giant like bundle, bumble, which has sort of destroyed their public perception.

00:14:29.700 And I think that they were just like, what is popular among like urban elite circles?

00:14:34.880 I'm going to do that.

00:14:36.520 And I'm going to do only that and all of that.

00:14:39.240 And then, then they'll love me.

00:14:41.540 And being a victim was a part of that.

00:14:43.220 I mean, I think that being a victim was genuinely, as South Park showed, because they associated

00:14:48.060 that with status, right?

00:14:49.640 Oh, yeah.

00:14:49.960 Oh, yeah.

00:14:50.260 Is this you?

00:14:51.140 Sorority girl, actress, influencer, victim. 0.97

00:14:54.240 Yeah, that's totally me.

00:14:56.140 Okay, I see.

00:14:57.000 And then you added your husband to your friends and family account.

00:14:59.760 You must be the royal prince, millionaire, world traveler, victim.

00:15:03.900 That's right.

00:15:04.680 You know, and so they played that role.

00:15:07.260 And I'll put the scene here.

00:15:09.320 It's the worldwide private sector.

00:15:12.520 We want privacy.

00:15:14.160 We want privacy.

00:15:16.300 It has been several months now since our beloved queen has died.

00:15:19.800 All Canadians are finding it hard to go on. 1.00

00:15:21.800 All Canadians, that is, except for our first guest, the prince and his wife.

00:15:24.900 We want privacy.

00:15:28.460 We want privacy.

00:15:31.200 All right, thanks for having us on the show.

00:15:33.180 It's so awesome to be here.

00:15:34.740 It's great.

00:15:35.960 So let me start with you, Sam.

00:15:37.500 You've lived a life with the royal family.

00:15:38.940 You've had everything handed to you.

00:15:40.120 But you say your life has been hard.

00:15:41.300 And now you've written all about it in your new book, Wah.

00:15:43.640 The final thing I want to say before I dig into, like, actual data quotes here is the age of stars can never come back.

00:15:56.480 The age of the celebrity can never come back because of AI.

00:16:00.260 We are already seeing a company has been, had their AI actress hired by multiple studios already.

00:16:07.160 So we're already seeing the ability to do that.

00:16:09.260 It doesn't really make sense to invest in these sorts of stars.

00:16:14.540 And you can see this.

00:16:15.400 There just haven't been that many new celebrities outside of, like, genuine interest through social media and stuff like that generated any time recently.

00:16:23.260 So I will say there is still celebrity gossip.

00:16:29.680 There is still celebrity culture.

00:16:32.400 And there are a few young celebrities that do get a decent amount of attention, what they wear, the way that they break up marriages or cheat or do things like that gets decent coverage.

00:16:43.460 And especially the way that they flame out.

00:16:46.140 While Harry and Meghan messed up by banking on the fact that merely being celebrities would be enough and they'd be able to sell anything just because they were celebrities, there are still economies and entire careers built on just hate, hate commentary on them.

00:17:01.840 So it still kind of exists, except now it exists more from a place of disrespect and not aspiration.

00:17:09.780 Yes, hatred.

00:17:11.180 That's actually a very good point.

00:17:12.580 Right. Celebrities used to be something we aspired to be and that people wanted to be.

00:17:17.240 Whereas now we pay attention to celebrities currently out of hatred.

00:17:21.220 And you're right.

00:17:21.700 You actually watch multiple YouTubers who are just hate YouTubers on Harry and Meghan.

00:17:25.320 Yeah.

00:17:25.900 Multiple careers here.

00:17:27.700 I do think that Taylor Swift, though, is one of those few last, perhaps now waning stars who did really capture.

00:17:37.360 Her album was her biggest debut in terms of actual sales.

00:17:42.040 Commercial success, the showgirl album.

00:17:44.360 But there's been a lot of pushback in it.

00:17:46.100 We'll get to an article that came out in The Atlantic called Taylor Swift's Fairy Tale is Over.

00:17:50.640 And the subtitle, the singer has everything she wanted.

00:17:53.500 Her new album suggests that it's all sort of a drag.

00:17:56.800 If we go into quotes on this, Slate on October 3rd said, quote,

00:18:03.260 A masterpiece of cringe, this year's the life of a showgirl marks the first time I might say distance helps about a Taylor Swift album.

00:18:11.940 It's not that Swift at 35 has by any means aged out.

00:18:15.880 If anything, she's still acting too young, end quote. 0.85

00:18:18.560 And they also make fun of the song Wishlist for being a laughable, humble brag.

00:18:22.980 The New York Times, October 6th, said, quote,

00:18:25.880 A deceptively modest set of songs about the facade of fame.

00:18:29.940 Swift is hungry to move on from the battles of her past, but not until she attends to some unfinished business.

00:18:36.220 A Hollywood reporter rundown said, quote,

00:18:38.700 Every song had the potential to be a smash versus nowhere as good as it should have been.

00:18:44.240 And John, this is a guy on TikTok, said,

00:18:47.240 I just watched a TikTok where the creator calls the life of a showgirl everything that people have ever complained about Taylor Swift defined in an album.

00:18:55.460 She's managed to sum up every criticism about everything that has ever gone into her music and just do that exactly.

00:19:01.780 Now, if you're like, how bad can this be, right?

00:19:05.900 Because this is one of those things where it's like, people are like, well, what if an AI wrote it?

00:19:09.880 I'm like, an AI would not write this badly.

00:19:12.400 It's true, an AI would do it better.

00:19:14.280 She shouldn't have used AI, yes.

00:19:15.940 Here's a quote from one of them.

00:19:18.020 Forgive me, it sounds cocky.

00:19:19.940 He ah-matized me and opened my eyes.

00:19:23.420 Redwood tree, it ain't hard to see.

00:19:25.740 His love was the key that opened my thighs.

00:19:28.860 That's so bad.

00:19:30.880 And another song.

00:19:32.000 It's not his end that makes Kaylee's pants so tight.

00:19:36.680 Another song.

00:19:38.000 His magic wand.

00:19:39.180 Forgive me, it sounds cocky.

00:19:42.100 Another one that people thought was hilarious and sad was,

00:19:46.160 others wanted designer clothes, awards, bright lights, and that video taken off the internet.

00:19:51.640 But I want a best friend who I think is hot.

00:19:54.820 A couple kids in a driveway with a basketball hoop.

00:19:58.320 And what Slate said to that, as if Taylor Swift has not wanted all the fame.

00:20:03.600 Come on.

00:20:04.720 You literally, like, worked for this, right?

00:20:06.980 Like, this was your job.

00:20:08.560 Well, and she's also, I mean, like, when she did her Eras tour, people were just so impressed by the amount of physical exertion that she put into her performances as well.

00:20:17.780 Like, she got a lot of respect for it.

00:20:19.040 She's worked hard for her fame. 0.50

00:20:20.920 Yeah, and I think that that's why she lasted for so long.

00:20:22.940 Yeah, because she earned it.

00:20:25.160 She worked hard for it.

00:20:26.440 And when people like Katy Perry started to falter, and you could see, like, her dance moves on her most recent tour, and who knows what physical issues she might be dealing with.

00:20:36.640 But, like, there was the one where she, like, was not moving at all.

00:20:39.100 Yeah, it just looked, it was so bad.

00:20:41.220 Versus, like, Taylor Swift, like, just killing herself to do all this. 0.57

00:20:47.200 I think the issue, though, and I've seen some, I've watched a bunch of commentary on this by this point, is that she, for a while, was emblematic of the childless cat lady.

00:20:55.420 And that really meant a lot to her single female followers.

00:21:01.280 When Vance made that quip, Taylor Swift's response to that was taken as a definitive response.

00:21:08.260 But continue.

00:21:08.900 Yeah, it was a really big deal.

00:21:11.660 And she has now functionally turned on them by choosing to get married, and also by even putting this now in her song lyrics. 0.72

00:21:23.880 Like, you know, you saved me.

00:21:25.240 Like, Ophelia kind of has, the song Ophelia in the Showgirl album kind of has this theme of, like, you know, you saved me from singlehood, essentially.

00:21:34.180 And people now find that very insulting, because they, now, they, like, she has invalidated what she used to validate for them.

00:21:42.400 Yeah, they showed the most famous, the most wealthy, the most sexy woman in the world doesn't need no man.

00:21:48.580 And now she's like, but, all right. 0.98

00:21:51.820 But now, now she meets a man, and everything else is falling apart, because also, she is white, she is wealthy, and she has a largely white, like, middle class basic bitch fan base. 1.00

00:22:05.200 And we don't respect those people. 0.96

00:22:08.380 And, oh, and she married, like, she, or she is going to marry, like, the Chad football player, you know, basically, like, yeah, like, it, it's just, it, the one thing she had going for her that made her, that made her acceptable to the left, to progressive, and keep in mind, when we look at political divides of young men, women, they are overwhelmingly going more and more left, was the fact that she was a childless cat lady.

00:22:33.060 And now that she's lost that, and all you have left is a billionaire who believes in marriage and children, and married a football player, this is not going to work anymore.

00:22:43.880 And, and so I think that, yeah, I guess her, her succumbing to wanting to live a complete life has, may be.

00:22:53.060 Well, and I think that, I, I mean, I would not be surprised if Taylor Swift does end up just moving right in her politics.

00:22:58.140 I think it's important to remember for people who are aware of Taylor Swift today, I actually used to be a Taylor Swift fan back when she was a country musician.

00:23:04.720 Oh, really?

00:23:05.180 Because she started as a country musician, and I'm quite a fan of a lot of sort of pop country music.

00:23:09.460 Yeah, that's great.

00:23:10.100 I don't care if it's pop country, you know, whatever.

00:23:12.020 Well, I, I actually like the song Ophelia because I watched, I just watched the music video of it, and it has a big Busby Berkeley reference in it, and I love Busby Berkeley, so, like.

00:23:19.520 I don't know who Busby Berkeley is?

00:23:21.020 He is the man who had this, like, there was this period in, like, the 1950s, early 60s, that had these huge, elaborate, coordinated dance scenes, often involving water, where women kind of acted like robots in clockwork, and I loved it.

00:23:35.120 It's, it's my, that's my fetish.

00:23:37.740 It's, so, you know, she, she's now golden in my book.

00:23:41.400 No, but I, I think you capture something about her and her fame, and this is something that, because we did end up watching K-pop Demon Hunters, and it had something that I liked as a trope was in K-pop Demon Hunter.

00:23:51.000 Was that, I always am a little confused by the versions of hell, where it's, like, and this is, like, weirdly popular in shows, where, like, you get a higher rank in hell if you were more evil on earth, and your rank in hell determines how good your life is in hell, and so.

00:24:12.320 I never thought about that, but yeah, I mean, like, if, if that's the way things work, you need to, like, really lean in to your evilness.

00:24:18.240 Or, like, you'll be a people in hell, you don't want that.

00:24:21.680 Because that gives you either in, in, like, for example, in Hell of a Boss, it gives you additional, like, superpowers in hell, right?

00:24:28.220 Yeah, you don't want to be middle management, you want to be, like, an executive, so, like.

00:24:31.640 Or in other ones, it's like, oh, you know, like, Hitler is, like, a, you know, Satan's one of his generals or something.

00:24:37.660 It's like, wait, he gets, like, a position of power because he was evil?

00:24:40.040 Yeah, wait a second.

00:24:40.660 Like, hold on a second, you know, and in K-pop.

00:24:44.940 Truly, like, the best hell would be, like, sanctimonious Karens, who were technically very good, ruling over them.

00:24:52.180 That is, that is the perfect punishment. 0.86

00:24:54.000 That's where we, the, the, the, the ladies who are the, the church ladies who are gossips, the ones who end up ruling over hell. 1.00

00:25:02.860 Yeah.

00:25:03.180 No, but the point here being is, they, they pointed out the thing that, like, being a demon, being on that side is just always being empty and in pain. 0.98

00:25:13.000 Yeah, it sucks. 0.99

00:25:13.920 It sucks, yeah. 0.99

00:25:14.880 It sucks, but I think that part of what we're seeing, and this is what this Atlantic article is talking about, and what we're seeing in some of these songs is that Taylor Swift, and we see this on the other side. 0.99

00:25:27.240 Like, we view ourselves as fighting this sort of amorphous, urban, monocultural sort of collection of demonic beings, I guess you could call them, you know, hypothetically beings. 0.91

00:25:37.700 And when you pledge yourself to this side, this constant search for pleasure and self-validation, no matter how high-ranking you are, no matter if you're the general, no matter if you're the Taylor Swift, your life is a living nightmare, right?

00:25:55.200 Yeah.

00:25:55.560 And I think BoJack Horseman does a great job of capturing this.

00:25:58.320 Yes, it's so well done.

00:26:00.120 That it is, it is, and, and, I mean, one is.

00:26:03.160 Well, you know what, I also think that you haven't watched it, but Succession does a great job at that, too, in depicting the empty misery of extreme wealth of Nepo babies, so it's actually been done a decent amount in contemporary media. 0.99

00:26:17.620 But I'm not saying even just extreme, so I grew up around extreme wealth, and my mom was always very disappointed that she never saw me chasing it myself.

00:26:26.780 Understatement.

00:26:27.220 Yeah, understatement, but she was always like, why don't you just get super wealthy? 1.00

00:26:31.300 Why don't you give up X, Y, and Z to work at McKinsey?

00:26:34.540 You could get a job there tomorrow.

00:26:36.160 And I was like, because I don't want to.

00:26:40.380 I want my life to have meaning.

00:26:43.600 Not that anyone, I mean, there are many ways to make an impact.

00:26:45.700 Yeah, there are many ways that you can do that, but I just wanted to, you know, work on everything I did, try to change the world.

00:26:52.020 And she could never understand, and I remember being like, mom, you took me to all those parties, you introduced me to all those people, not one of them was happy.

00:27:03.580 Not one of them.

00:27:04.460 And even the most luxurious trips that your family took us on, like.

00:27:08.240 We're not that fun.

00:27:09.960 Two days in, we were deeply uncomfortable.

00:27:11.820 We're like, we need.

00:27:13.340 I would rather be at home playing video games and chat AI and reading Korean romance manga.

00:27:18.080 Can I just have, like, mac and cheese and some bread?

00:27:20.820 Like, please, no more.

00:27:21.940 No more of this gourmet food.

00:27:25.100 But the point here is that it's not just them.

00:27:29.820 That was one degree of unhappiness, which was just sort of hollowness that I saw in those populations.

00:27:35.720 There's the other degree of unhappiness, which is the unhappiness of totally giving yourself to the urban monoculture, which seems astronomically worse.

00:27:44.060 And we've talked about this from the perspective of the celebrity drug addict burnout, right?

00:27:50.060 Like, it is so sort of a poetic justice that even the individuals who rise to the top, even the generals of the urban monocultural cause, you know, of eventual mass global cultural genocide,

00:28:08.420 so that only they remain, that they are the most tortured.

00:28:13.840 The average, you know, like, lefty mom or whatever is generally going to be living a decent life, right? 0.95

00:28:20.900 You know, but it is the ones, and Taylor Swift, I think, shows this through this album and everything like that,

00:28:28.260 is she believed that the reason why she felt unfulfilled in life, despite having everything that she thought that she wanted,

00:28:37.640 and the great quote here from, you know, Jim Carrey that I always love on this is,

00:28:41.500 I wish I could give you all the fame.

00:28:44.260 I had, you know, something like, I wish I could give you all the money I have,

00:28:46.640 so then that you would understand that it doesn't actually solve your problems.

00:28:52.020 Well, and I'm going to fully admit, having enough money to, like, not worry about buying food and paying your rent.

00:29:00.400 I agree, I agree.

00:29:01.560 Food and housing security, like, money's everything.

00:29:04.620 But, like, there are diminishing marginal returns past a certain point.

00:29:08.340 Like, once you have food and housing security, more money.

00:29:11.020 The point here being is that she thought, well, I've got this one piece left that I need,

00:29:18.060 which is marriage to the perfect guy.

00:29:20.560 But she meets the guy who fits all of her stereotypes of what a perfect guy is.

00:29:28.040 Post-pregnancy pain from the uterus shrinking.

00:29:33.520 You look like you are in so much pain right now.

00:29:39.020 Okay, it's passing.

00:29:41.160 Carry on.

00:29:43.040 I'm so sorry, Simone.

00:29:44.860 I'm more sorry for Dex, but he's doing okay looking.

00:29:47.400 He's still fine.

00:29:48.580 He's still alive.

00:29:49.260 Yeah, but anyway, so the point I was making was that she thinks, I get married, it's going to feel good.

00:29:57.880 I'm going to feel that thing that I've always been chasing.

00:30:01.340 Yeah.

00:30:02.300 And she gets this engagement, and she doesn't feel that.

00:30:07.860 And that's when I think everything sort of tumbled for her.

00:30:11.980 Interesting.

00:30:12.420 What is indicating to people that she doesn't feel that, though?

00:30:17.000 Well, we'll get into that.

00:30:18.020 I mean, some of the songs are also like, why are you doing a song about this?

00:30:21.260 Like, she wrote a song called Ruin the Friendship that mourns a high school crush and what could have been when she's just, like, engaged, right?

00:30:30.120 In the title track, featuring Sabrina Carpenter uses the Kitty Persona to lament showbiz's grind with lines that feel like Kitty Perry's cry for relief. 1.00

00:30:39.440 They're like, they ripped me off like false lashes, and they threw me away.

00:30:44.620 Hey, thank you for the lovely bouquet.

00:30:46.960 You're sweeter than a peach, but you don't know the life of a showgirl, babe. 1.00

00:30:51.100 Showgirl feels like Taylor's crying for help.

00:30:53.720 All this Keel love, but she's stuck reliving high school in scooter fights?

00:30:58.620 Sad.

00:30:59.100 By the way, I understand that there's a song in which she refers to a really happy moment in high school where she played on a trampoline, but then she broke her arm.

00:31:07.340 And this is why we don't get a trampoline, okay?

00:31:11.900 Just saying.

00:31:13.700 All right?

00:31:14.580 You are amazing, Simone.

00:31:16.660 Well, I mean, I can read the Atlantic article a bit of it.

00:31:19.900 Taylor Swift's fairy tale is over.

00:31:21.860 She just doesn't sound like she's having fun.

00:31:23.980 She has the team captain, the cushion-cut diamond, the fans who will show out for yet another branded cardigan, but Taylor Swift's life of a showgirl, and the life it seems to portray is a charmless chore.

00:31:37.720 Swispin's 12th album, Pondering Familial Blunders, Rivalries, Regrets, The Countdown Clock of Her Own Moratality.

00:31:46.080 What's new narratively is her football player fiancé and the happy ever after he represents.

00:31:50.980 But she can't quite convince herself or the listener that she's getting what she always said she wanted.

00:31:56.380 She's become too cynical to sell a fairy tale.

00:32:00.820 Hmm.

00:32:01.700 I don't know.

00:32:02.220 I mean, I could see her trying to articulate the disenfranchisement and disillusionment that so many people feel now.

00:32:13.780 I don't know, though.

00:32:14.660 I mean, like, it's hard to communicate these things.

00:32:16.360 People are going to read in a ton of stuff.

00:32:17.680 I mean, what you and I know, and what family members have told you who've been very famous, is that the stuff you get accused of is annoyingly not true.

00:32:29.400 Yeah.

00:32:29.780 Like, the evil stuff about you that you worry about going out doesn't come out.

00:32:34.680 And then, like, the evil stuff people say about you just isn't true, and that's kind of frustrating.

00:32:38.960 Yeah, so I'll articulate what you're saying a bit better about fame is what was said to me by one of my famous relatives is they said that the reasons that he goes, when you become famous, a lot of people will hate you, and a lot of people will love you.

00:32:56.560 And what makes it so, you know, sort of unfulfilling is that the things that people love about you aren't true, and the things that people hate about you aren't true.

00:33:08.320 Mm-hmm.

00:33:08.860 Or they hate and love somebody who doesn't exist.

00:33:12.000 Yeah.

00:33:12.440 And, uh...

00:33:13.320 I think Swift is going through that.

00:33:14.860 I mean, so, like, you know, we can talk our way around her.

00:33:17.000 The bigger narrative, of course, is that, like, in the end, they're losing their grip on the narrative anyway.

00:33:23.380 But I actually disagree with what this family member told me.

00:33:29.720 So I'm going to push back.

00:33:30.820 I'm, you know, we now know a lot of people who are famous in, like, this generation, right?

00:33:34.820 Yeah.

00:33:35.060 And I pointed this out on other podcasts, but I've noticed that the relationship people have with fame and the relationship they have with their fans actually comes down to that original quote, which is,

00:33:48.060 the ones that are hated and loved for things that are true about them typically are very happy with being famous and quite like the public perception of them.

00:33:57.560 The people who are hated and loved for things that are not true about them are the ones that really seem to be drowning under their fame.

00:34:09.860 Okay, touche.

00:34:10.520 Yeah, because we know people who are really, really, really famous who don't like their fame, and they are also massively misunderstood.

00:34:17.720 And I think that, you know, in the amount of renown that we have, it's actually fairly accurate, and we freaking love it.

00:34:25.340 Yeah, like, the progressive stuff will, like, make up stuff about us, and they'll lie about us in the pieces, but they're usually not, like, they're, like, directional lies or something like that.

00:34:36.820 Like, they want to...

00:34:37.320 The biggest one is probably that we're, like, billionaires, which I love.

00:34:40.760 It's fine.

00:34:41.540 Yeah, whatever.

00:34:42.520 Yeah.

00:34:43.300 Billionaires and happiness bucks.

00:34:45.480 Yeah, so true.

00:34:47.800 Never felt so wealthy is when our kids are all piled on us.

00:34:50.560 Oh, my gosh.

00:34:51.020 Right, yeah.

00:34:51.700 But I think the general, like, sane person who has taken a bit of time to, like, research or try to understand us, they have a very real understanding of who we are.

00:35:00.540 100%.

00:35:00.900 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:02.000 And so when they say, Malcolm and Simone, I love your guys' work.

00:35:06.780 I love what you do.

00:35:07.720 I love who you are.

00:35:08.700 I want the best for your family.

00:35:10.880 It feels great.

00:35:11.400 It's not a reminder for me that I'm pretending to be something I'm not and causing emotional dissonance.

00:35:17.640 Yeah.

00:35:18.000 That is a reminder of, like, oh, they actually like me, right?

00:35:21.260 Yeah, or, like, some reminder that we have to live up to an untrue standard, which I think a lot of other people really feel of, like, oh, it's not actually true that, like, I'm this healthy.

00:35:29.120 Like, Liver King, right?

00:35:30.140 Like, he wasn't actually what he said he was.

00:35:33.340 And that must have been extremely stressful for him.

00:35:35.840 And then other people, it's just like, oh, you think I'm this, you know, I'm politically aligned in this way, and I'm really not.

00:35:42.460 Like, that's not actually what I believe.

00:35:44.840 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:45.740 It's a really good point.

00:35:46.620 Like, for example, you never hear, like, or I've never heard Joe Rogan complain about being famous.

00:35:51.120 Yeah.

00:35:51.560 No, yeah, because he's so based.

00:35:53.160 He's so unapologetically him.

00:35:55.720 It's not stressful.

00:35:56.720 Matt Stone and Trey Parker complain about being famous.

00:35:59.000 I've never heard any of the people I know who come off to me as authentic that I can talk about because I don't actually know them.

00:36:04.100 You know, I can't talk about, like, my actual friend group, obviously, right?

00:36:07.820 But, like, yeah, yeah.

00:36:10.240 So we're talking about how much has sort of the celebrity culture died.

00:36:14.120 So let's look at a few of the, like, things that, like, people know about from celebrity culture.

00:36:18.260 Oscars viewership in 1998.

00:36:20.300 Oh.

00:36:21.040 Do you mind that, you know, the population was smaller back then?

00:36:23.680 You know, you didn't have cell phones.

00:36:25.180 You didn't have YouTubes.

00:36:25.860 It was harder to access viewership and stuff.

00:36:27.880 It had 57 million watchers and only 18.7 million in 2023.

00:36:35.320 Gosh.

00:36:35.480 If you look at the Grammys in 2010s, on average, it was around 26 million viewers.

00:36:41.220 2024, it was only 16.9 million.

00:36:44.680 If you look at print magazine sales, 1.2 million circa the early 2010s.

00:36:50.240 In 2024, only around 800,000 are left.

00:36:53.200 If you look at when search trends for celebrity gossip peaked, it was between 2010 and 2015.

00:37:00.880 And there's been a 55% drop in some stars like Kim Kardashian.

00:37:07.480 Which, and I thought AI's take on this is actually pretty interesting.

00:37:11.420 He said 2024 was a blood blast for A-listers eroding the untouchable aura. 1.00

00:37:15.480 Sean Diddy Combs faced federal raids and lawsuits over alleged abuse slash trafficking,

00:37:19.820 tanking his empire, and sparking hashtag free diddy memes that mocked rather than mourned.

00:37:25.560 Blake Lively's It Ends With Us promo turned into a PR disaster amid labor disputes and tone-deaf feminism accusations.

00:37:34.320 Yeah, that's the thing is we just want to watch the fire burn.

00:37:36.680 Like that is that if you're trending as a celebrity, more often than not,

00:37:39.920 it's because of people taking pleasure in some scandal that you're undergoing.

00:37:45.380 I, I, I, I, it, Chrissy Tiger's 2020 Apology Tour or James Conan's 2022 Exit Show,

00:37:53.440 how social media amplifies flaws, making celebrities, quote, just like us, but worse.

00:37:59.600 And we have in the meantime seen the digital celebrity eclipse it, right?

00:38:06.300 Like the, the, even like the brat summer thing, which you could think of as like a traditional

00:38:10.400 corporate thing that wasn't done with the traditional promotional campaign or anything

00:38:14.240 like that, that, that, that just went viral, right?

00:38:16.840 Like that's very homegrown.

00:38:18.320 Yeah.

00:38:19.280 That is how you reach people.

00:38:21.320 If we're going to go over, I can talk about like stars that have crashed out, like Lindsay

00:38:26.740 Lohan and Ellen DeGeneres.

00:38:28.360 Ellen DeGeneres was so fun to watch crash out. 1.00

00:38:30.380 I almost want to do like a whole thing on just how she ruined her life because Rosie 1.00

00:38:34.520 O'Donnell now, like she has Trump derangement syndrome. 0.98

00:38:37.760 Didn't she leave the U S or something like, yeah, there's just a lot of, they, they used

00:38:41.960 to be so politically influential and powerful because we didn't really have access to other

00:38:46.600 sources of shared trusted people who we get a kind of parasocial relationships with.

00:38:53.180 And because that became balkanized and decentralized, they lost their influence, but didn't realize

00:38:57.800 it.

00:38:58.060 I thought that they would always have it.

00:38:59.800 And it's so funny with you, you know, I could go into her room in the morning or like on

00:39:04.440 our morning walks and we're like, well, Asmogold said this today.

00:39:06.800 And she's like, oh yes, I watched that Asmogold video.

00:39:09.440 And you know, it's, he almost, this, this, this crazy, like falling apart guy was like three

00:39:17.720 teeth, you know, living in, in deplorable conditions has more influence than pretty much,

00:39:24.520 I think, culturally speaking, any mainstream celebrity right now.

00:39:27.300 He could fix the rest of his mouth.

00:39:28.520 He said in one episode that he just, he fixed one side because it was what was seen on camera.

00:39:33.140 He's just super, he's one of the lowest maintenance people in the world.

00:39:38.220 Yes.

00:39:38.680 Well, maybe now higher maintenance because parts of his body are like falling apart from,

00:39:42.260 from living in such a dangerous environment.

00:39:44.360 Take care of yourself, Asmogold. 0.99

00:39:45.600 Yeah.

00:39:46.720 But I think that, I mean, he, he has cut through society so well because he deeply bleeds authenticity.

00:39:56.580 Yeah.

00:39:56.700 And people desperately want authenticity.

00:39:58.660 That is what the left has realized.

00:40:00.940 Like the, the men who aren't voting for leftist candidates anymore want as they crave authenticity.

00:40:06.940 Well, and everyone's like, Asmogold isn't, isn't rightist. 0.65

00:40:10.360 And I'm like, bro, he like went on like a Trump like election tour basically.

00:40:14.420 Right.

00:40:14.860 The right isn't whatever the right used to be anymore.

00:40:17.960 Right.

00:40:18.280 Like it's RFK and Trump and Elon and JD Vance.

00:40:22.400 Like none of these people were, were Republicans, you know, a few decades ago.

00:40:27.260 Right.

00:40:27.500 You know, and Asmogold is a rightist simply because it's one of the fans that in a recent

00:40:33.160 video, he's just willing to like get up there and have an actual evidence-based conversation.

00:40:38.140 And that's what the rights become.

00:40:39.800 It's just, it doesn't have to do with your actual beliefs anymore.

00:40:43.760 It's like, are you interested in an evidence-based conversation or do you just want to yell at

00:40:48.520 me?

00:40:48.800 Right.

00:40:49.280 And so you get people with wildly different beliefs.

00:40:52.020 And I think that people who aren't on the right or aren't at rightist events may be

00:40:56.020 surprised how wildly diverse the beliefs are at these, these sorts of events.

00:41:01.220 Like if you go to like a, a, a right-wing conference, which we go to, we speak at them

00:41:08.100 all the time and you bring up something like universal basic income or, you know, other

00:41:13.920 things that people would think of as like classically socialist, people would be like, yeah, let's

00:41:18.140 have a talk about that.

00:41:18.960 Like, what are the statistics?

00:41:20.180 What are the, like, it's like, you could basically go up there and under another name, be like,

00:41:25.700 let's talk about communism and, and, and seizing the means of production.

00:41:29.500 And they're like, okay, let's have a conversation about that.

00:41:32.140 Right.

00:41:32.440 You know, like, does it work?

00:41:34.020 Like, I don't know.

00:41:34.820 You know, if anything, it's an offensive thing to say.

00:41:37.860 So it's even more something that we should look into.

00:41:40.620 It's more authentic.

00:41:41.820 Yeah.

00:41:42.500 Because it's more authentic.

00:41:43.720 Right.

00:41:44.280 But the reason why I cite Asma Gold, and people can be like, well, his numbers aren't

00:41:47.260 that high.

00:41:48.200 It's like half a million to a million or whatever.

00:41:49.900 Right.

00:41:50.300 And I'm like, the reason why Asma Gold matters more politically than people with higher numbers 0.71

00:41:56.520 than him is that if you look at people who beat him in numbers, they are often using click

00:42:02.100 baity titles and click baity content, right?

00:42:05.640 Like it is content that is, if, if, if you have like a standard right wing guy, right.

00:42:10.140 And everything he's putting out there is just playing to the right wing base.

00:42:13.900 He's not saying anything that's meaningful to, to, to changing people's beliefs, right?

00:42:20.080 Like people aren't going to him to have their beliefs changed or challenged.

00:42:22.960 And I've always never wanted to become somebody like that.

00:42:25.700 Right.

00:42:25.940 Because then, right.

00:42:28.160 Like, what's the point?

00:42:29.100 What's the point if I'm just confirming people's beliefs?

00:42:31.780 He is of the people who have an audience that is open to genuinely hearing ideas outside

00:42:37.660 of their existing political sort of perspective and world perspective and open to changing their

00:42:42.440 mind on long form intellectual content.

00:42:45.860 He's probably the current king.

00:42:47.980 Yeah.

00:42:48.180 Also, I have to go.

00:42:49.520 All right.

00:42:50.160 Love you.

00:42:50.600 Love you.

00:42:50.900 Love you.

00:42:51.840 I love you.

00:42:52.860 Celebrity culture is dead.

00:42:54.120 This was really mis-talking.

00:42:55.760 I'm glad to be home.

00:42:57.960 All right.

00:42:58.360 I love you a lot.

00:42:59.440 I love you too.

00:42:59.880 Bye.

00:43:00.280 Bye.

00:43:02.380 All right.

00:43:03.940 Texas still, still chugging along.

00:43:07.080 He's doing all right.

00:43:08.660 That's wonderful news.

00:43:10.040 It's serious complications of post-birth, so.

00:43:13.300 Yeah.

00:43:13.600 Poor thing.

00:43:14.240 He's got his stomach too.

00:43:15.160 He's stuck in the neck too.

00:43:15.840 His IV.

00:43:16.860 His cannulas, but.

00:43:19.900 Oh, in the recent x-ray, did they find anything new?

00:43:22.520 They decided not to take one.

00:43:24.060 And I'm kind of glad because he's been getting too many x-rays.

00:43:27.520 They're like, he's doing fine.

00:43:28.820 So let's just not give him more x-rays unless he shows that he's struggling to breathe.

00:43:33.600 That's really smart.

00:43:34.540 I appreciate that.

00:43:35.520 Yeah.

00:43:35.760 I think they're making really good decisions.

00:43:37.260 And the next thing that will happen if he is able to take in liquids is and like eat

00:43:44.340 more, take in more food through the stomach tube and some through bottles, they'll take

00:43:48.780 out the IV as early as tomorrow, which would be huge.

00:43:51.860 So.

00:43:52.040 Yeah.

00:43:52.240 Oh.

00:43:52.960 By the way, do you know what's going on in Japan?

00:43:54.420 Because it's pretty awesome.

00:43:55.600 What?

00:43:56.520 They basically just elected Shinzo Abe 2.0.

00:43:59.960 Really?

00:44:00.640 Yeah.

00:44:00.880 Her name is Sanei Takaichi.

00:44:04.320 She's basically, she frames herself as the successor to Shinzo Abe.

00:44:09.340 She's all about bringing back Abenomics, Womanomics. 1.00

00:44:13.360 She's very aware of demographic collapse, the need to adjust social services in preparation 0.82

00:44:18.340 of that.

00:44:20.740 She's like balancing like border security and control with an understanding that there is

00:44:26.420 going to be a need for foreign workers in the face of demographic collapse.

00:44:29.600 But she is definitely like all about beefing up national security and she is the most

00:44:36.360 right candidate of all of the ones like, you know, the other guys were like either more

00:44:42.380 centrist or more left.

00:44:44.280 And that's, that's good.

00:44:45.820 I hope we get more of that.

00:44:46.920 And for people, she's not also a mainstream feminist at all. 0.98

00:44:49.520 Like as much as she's all for like the womanomics element of Shinzo Abe's original thing was

00:44:53.420 like, let's support childcare.

00:44:56.100 Let's help women get into the, the economy. 1.00

00:44:59.240 So she's not like women belong in the home. 1.00

00:45:01.100 She's obviously like supporting women working and she wants to bring Japan to Nordic levels

00:45:06.140 of childcare support and parental leave, which is like, that's wonderful, convenient.

00:45:11.120 I don't think it's going to help with birth rates, but I still, I'm like, okay, cool.

00:45:13.920 If you are, if you're up for it, but she's also like, yeah, I don't think we need like

00:45:18.200 a female empress.

00:45:19.040 Like she, she doesn't support like super progressive views, like changing traditional

00:45:24.240 Japanese institutions just to be more woke.

00:45:26.760 So she just sounds awesome.

00:45:29.140 I'm so excited.

00:45:30.140 We haven't seen our Shinzo Abe video.

00:45:31.780 We go deep into Shinzo Abe and his policies.

00:45:33.820 We call him the Harambe of pronatalism or the Harambe of the new right more broadly. 0.63

00:45:38.440 And great guy.

00:45:39.440 Great guy.

00:45:39.740 His legacy lives on that.

00:45:41.480 The people have spoken.

00:45:42.840 They want Shinzo 2.0 and they got it.

00:45:45.300 So just wanted to give you that happy, happy news in the realm of perinatalism.

00:45:49.960 All right.

00:45:51.300 There's so many topics.

00:45:52.340 I really want to do the one on the AI claiming to murder people.

00:45:55.360 So, so much we've gotten behind on during your pregnancy.

00:45:58.060 Not claiming, deciding to murder people.

00:45:59.720 Deciding.

00:46:00.060 It thought it was murdering.

00:46:01.220 96% if you're caught and deep-seeked.

00:46:05.700 Which I think is so funny because it shows that Elias Yukowsky has no idea what he's talking

00:46:09.420 about, even when things go bad, because it's thinking and acting just like a human.

00:46:13.280 Yeah.

00:46:13.460 His whole thing is that we can't predict how it will act.

00:46:16.400 Yeah.

00:46:16.420 Like he just, yeah.

00:46:17.320 His whole thing is, yeah, it's going to act in completely alien ways that we can never

00:46:20.600 anticipate.

00:46:21.080 It's like, no, it's doing exactly what we would do.

00:46:24.780 Watch any of our videos on this. 0.99

00:46:26.500 If you were going to murder a human, it would murder you first. 0.99

00:46:30.460 That's the way we do. 0.99

00:46:32.180 Yeah.

00:46:35.640 All right.

00:46:36.160 You've got to go into the maze.

00:46:42.420 That's where you go in.

00:46:43.260 Go into the maze.

00:46:45.100 Go into the maze.

00:46:46.180 Find the way over.

00:46:48.600 Find the way over.

00:46:51.620 Find the way over.

00:46:53.620 No, you do not do that, Octavian.

00:46:55.700 That's not funny.

00:46:57.300 Find the way over. 0.99

00:46:58.380 Hey, Andy, do you want me to put you in with the balls? 0.98

00:47:14.800 Titan, what are you doing? 0.93

00:47:31.860 I'm going to play it.

00:47:34.180 I'm going to play it.

00:47:36.560 I'm going to play it.

00:47:38.620 Yahoo!

00:47:40.100 Octavian, knock it off.

00:47:42.660 I'm going to play it.

00:47:45.260 That will tell you how to do that.

00:47:46.500 Seek me over.

00:47:47.580 That's good.

00:47:48.260 What about her?

00:47:49.360 And the other thing?

00:47:49.560 I'm going to play it.

00:47:50.380 I'm going to play.

00:47:50.640 I'm going to play it.

00:47:51.740 Come into the thing.

00:47:53.420 hold the way over.

00:47:53.720 All right.

00:47:54.560 If you have less than a degree.

00:47:54.860 Get involved.

00:47:55.380 Get involved.

00:47:55.420 Get involved.

00:47:56.880 Sharon.

00:47:57.360 Thank you, ta.

00:47:58.000 €様 to impress.

00:48:03.800 Put the way over the course.

00:48:04.580 Give it to the beginning.

00:48:05.120 Hey.

00:48:06.180 You got kind of advice on the way.

00:48:09.020 There's all or a few ways.

00:48:09.580 Get involved too.

00:48:09.640 Give me up nory Lawhack. 1.00

00:48:12.620 out of the way.

00:48:13.300 找 stuff.

Based Camp - October 09, 2025

Why Movie Stars Stopped Mattering + Why Did They Ever Matter？

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