Why Progressives Need to Bully People for Being ＂Weird＂
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Summary
J.D. Vance and his running mate, Joe Biden, are taking aim at Donald Trump and his presidential campaign with a new adjective: "weird." What's weird about them? Is it because they're weird or because they re nerds? And what does that have to do with politics?
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What defines weirdness is a person's willingness to challenge the dominant cultural mores of a
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society with an alternate framework. Democrats and the Harris campaign now
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deploying a new adjective to blast the Republican ticket. Some of what he and his running mate
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are saying, well, it's just plain weird. Get those nerds. I mean, on the other side,
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they're just weird. Nerd! Nerd! It's not just a weird style that he brings.
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Nerd! Nerd! Where are they? I think they're talking about us. No way.
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Nerd! Nerd! Nerd! Hello, Simone. I am so excited to be here with you today. Today, we are going to
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be talking about a wild shift that has happened in part because of the political realignment,
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the ongoing political realignment in this country. But it also reminds me a lot of bemoaning I've seen
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from normal conservatives, or they're like, of the old GOP Inc. days, they're like, I'm not weird.
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But Kamala Harris has been, in her campaign, in the Democratic establishment, and a lot of
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Democratic power players have been putting this idea out there that J.D. Vance is weird and Trump
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is weird. And I kind of love it because, for me, they come off like, you know, because they are the
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culturally dominant force in our society right now. And when weirdness is defined by cultural distance
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from the culturally dominant force, yes, definitionally, they are weird. But it's shown that
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as soon as they became the culturally dominant force in our society, they immediately became
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the bullets. You know, they became, like, the people shouting nerd in, like, the Revenge of the
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Nerds movie. I just wanted to say that now I'm a nerd. I mean, all our lives we've been laughed at
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and made to feel inferior. President Obama started mocking Trump mercilessly.
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He can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter. Like, did we fake the moon landing?
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Obviously, we all know about your credentials and breadth of experience.
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For example, no, seriously, just recently, in an episode of Celebrity Apprentice, you, Mr. Trump,
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recognized that the real problem was a lack of leadership. You fired Gary Busey.
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And these are the kind of decisions that would keep me up at night.
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The insults didn't stop with the president. Listen to comedian Seth Meyers, the evening's guest host.
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Donald Trump has been saying that he will run for president as a Republican,
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which is surprising since I just assumed he was running as a joke.
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And tonight, those bastards, they trashed our franchises.
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Why? Because we're smart? Because we look different?
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You might have been called a spaz or a dork or a geek.
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Any of you that have ever felt stepped on, left out, picked on, put down,
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why don't you just come down here and join us, okay?
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You know, Coach, I think I'm going to let these boys live over at the White House
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You're out-of-touch billionaires who live in your mansions.
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I heard recently that rumors have been spread that J.D. Vance wears eyeliner,
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even photographers have been like, yeah, I just took a picture of him.
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He's one of those people that just has really thick eyelashes.
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And also there was this rumor that there was a detailed account in his book,
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the elegy, of him getting sexually intimate with a couch, which is not there.
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And that these things are just coming out, like that we have to attack him in this way
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is so odd to me as well, because aren't there plenty of policy attacks, you know, policy-based
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attacks that we can make, you know, aren't there others?
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But also I kind of get it because here's what has me concerned is it's that same sentiment
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aesthetic wave that I think got Trump elected in 2016.
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Actually, Trump and J.D. Vance have tried to push back against the weird accusations.
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Only a weirdo can really change things because they're the only ones willing to think outside
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Growing up, it's clear from his diary that within...
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Yeah, he grew up a hillbilly, but he was a nerd among the hillbillies.
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He apparently didn't know what tentacle porn was, which...
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No, to pretend you don't know must mean you have it on your computer because that's like
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This is a guy who, until the MAGA movement, was never really accepted by elite New York
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He was the bullied kid who really wanted to be a part of the fun.
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And he spent his entire life being bullied by these people.
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You saw the president of the United States when he was roasting people.
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And I'll put the clip here from the press dinner.
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Literally go up there and roast a sovereign citizen.
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They have this meme where it's like that's when he decides he's going to run.
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Like that was the birth of the Trump movement with him being roasted and being like, I'll
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Donald Trump is here since recently in an episode of Celebrity Apprentice.
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The men's cooking team did not impress the judges.
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But you, Mr. Trump, recognized that the real problem was a lack of leadership.
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Donald Trump humiliated by the leader of the free world tonight at the White House Correspondents'
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Yes, Wolf, it was very clear who was the president of the United States and who was the buffoon.
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Welcome back to our 24-7 coverage of the utter humiliation of Donald Trump.
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He certainly would bring some change to the White House.
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He was this nerd who took over for the rest of us, right?
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With the urban monoculture, the force of wokeness that the progressives represent, being the
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dominant force in our society, so many of us now know that feeling of being kicked out
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of a club because you're not progressive enough, losing a job because you're not progressive
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enough, being pushed around in college because you're not progressive enough, having people
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play little tricks on you because you're not progressive enough.
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And in whatever way you're not progressive enough, because progressivism is a monolith.
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It used to be that being a little bit more conservative leaning, you know, being a jock
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or a cheerleader meant being normative and mainstream.
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But now to be normative and mainstream is to be progressive.
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You're going to be the nerd and you're going to be bullied.
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But back when the conservatives ran the country, that was when you had, you know, an evangelical
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Protestant majority that could be the dominant culture in this country, which you just don't
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The conservative culture now is too diverse, whereas the progressivism is not diverse.
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We had an interview with him right before this.
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And what we were saying was, if you get like two ultra conservatives of the same denomination,
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they will usually have more theological differences between each other than an extremist progressive,
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you know, Protestant minister versus an extremist progressive Muslim minister.
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They really are just one culture that is using their cultural dominance to bully everyone else.
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And I think that many people who originally were drawn to the conservative movement back when
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the conservative movement represented the culturally dominant force were not drawn for theological
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They were drawn because it was the powerful group in society the way they saw it.
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And now that it's not, they're experiencing serious cognitive dissonance.
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And I've seen this when I've talked to a number of them.
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I was like, your freaking candidate is Trump and Vance.
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Well, and this is, this is even something that we found as, as early as a year ago,
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if not earlier, that when media coverage would talk about our pronatalism, people on Twitter
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would call us freaks, which just, they would, they would use words like, you know, freaks is
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something that I think an eighties jock villain would say to a protagonist.
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Do you really want to be partners with that freak?
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Why would you say that to someone when it just seems so stereotypically?
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Well, it's the way that the dominant culture often reacts to anyone who is challenging it.
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But why would like, would you ever call someone a freak?
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Wouldn't that make you feel like you were the bad guy?
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Well, no, because I grew up and this is also, I think, a different thing.
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Like, like these people who are now drawn to progressivism because they have power in previous
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Oh, they would have been the evangelical Christians in their time.
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Just doing it because it gives them power and the power to, they're like, I have lived
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a life according to what society has told me to do.
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And now they're like, and you are doing something different and seem happy.
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It maintains internal consistency by reacting reactively to anybody who seems to be successful
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I mean, that's why they had to do this hit piece on like Ballerina Farms, for example.
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And then it came out that the reporter, because it turned out, and we did an episode on this,
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but what we didn't mention in the episode is it turned out that she had released recordings
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of the in-person interviews and she like directly lied in the article to try to make them look
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And she had released these on previous podcasts when she was talking about writing the article.
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Um, uh, but another thing I note is when people are like, conservatives are not nerds.
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I'm like, okay, so not just like the main top conservatives.
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Again, we were just talking with Rudeen Zoomer.
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They have been the nerds for a long time, like at least a decade and a half at this point.
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When I went on Blaze TV, I was doing this interview with like John Popopopoulos or something.
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Anyway, so he was like, yeah, but aren't you tired of being the rebels?
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Like, aren't you tired of being the resistance?
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And I realize it might be that like I'm genetically coded differently.
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You know, I'm like the descendant of the original American patriots.
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A lot of people think patriot means like you love your country.
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No, patriot was a term that meant like terrorist originally.
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You were the resistance against the evil tyranny.
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Being on a righteous rebel team, what is better than that?
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like i can't imagine anything from from like my cultural framing's perspective that would be
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a more enjoyable or fulfilling life than this like i love this generation of conservatism
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and i think that a lot of these people because like the guy who's interviewing me he got into
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conservatives when they were the dominant faction and i and i realized he just wanted to be in the
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dominant faction he didn't believe all of this he didn't you know he he doesn't or maybe it's that
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he doesn't like fighting for justice for the sake of fighting for justice like maybe that doesn't
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fill him with a righteous passion every morning like when i wake up every morning i'm like i
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i'm on the good guy's side and we are on the back nines but we are going to win this thing by golly
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and and that inspires me and i realize that for a a portion of people that does it they want to be
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the ones who control everything and can bully other people um what would be your answer to someone who
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was on the normative side who counters that with well what makes you think that just being weird
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is better why why would being normative being be bad and why do you think it's inherently good
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to be the one who resists the mainstream the mainstream might be mainstream for a reason
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because it's correct so there's two things here there is the mainstream versus tradition
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and then there is why is weird always good and it is always good
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no no no actually i should say weird is also always bad um there are different ways you can
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be weird what defines weirdness is a person's willingness to challenge the dominant cultural
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mores of a society with an alternate framework now that alternate framework can be dumb but
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we know that we are not at a moral nexus of history okay humanity finds ways to improve over
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time if you even look at any of the mainstream christian theologies it has improved over time
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or it's degraded over time in which case you need to go back to the original church which looks
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nothing like any of the existing churches like if you're like well yeah christian theology has degraded
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over time and catholicism is the right choice and it's like well then you need to go back to the
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what the original catholics believed which is that life doesn't begin at conception and they're like
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oh i don't want to do that and then it's like well then you think it's improved over time because
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that's a fairly new catholic belief like 200 years ago it was uh pope pius the ninth you know uh so so
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we all believe that things are to some extent improve over time and and that being the case knowing
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that we're not at the moral nexus in history we are challenged to look for where even within
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conservative cultural frameworks or more right cultural frameworks where are they getting things
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it's wrong we can push things forward i mean fundamentally that's what based is based is
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weird people like think based means conservative based doesn't mean conservative based means saying
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what you believe is true even when you will be shamed by it even yeah i always thought of based as
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being unapologetically authentic yeah and and so a lot of people are like well that doesn't align
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with a conservative mindset therefore you're not being based and it's like no we're just saying what
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we believe is true from the evidence from what we read from the bible and that's may go against what
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the mainstream conservative influencers say or what was mainstream in conservative culture in the 1950s
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but that doesn't mean that it goes against any sort of absolute truth so i wanted to make that
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point but what was that was the other one i was really excited to make here oh yes i mentioned
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traditionalism versus uh uh normative okay so i love it when people are like why would this tradition
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have value why would you put any weight on traditionalism right and it's like that is the the collective
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wisdom of thousands of generations of humanity right that's not like your parents opinions man that is an
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idea that has been honed and improved and worked on over and over and over and over again generation
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to generation to generation and then it finally got you to where we are today it's it's not like just
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an old person's out of touch idea about reality but what is culturally normative when what is culturally
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normative isn't traditionalism it's uniquely stupid okay so we need to say that traditionalism definitely
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has more value than what's culturally normative but the process that brings us traditionalism is also
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one of iterative generational improvement the traditions we have aren't in stone they changed and
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evolved over time to become better that is the way we are meant to relate to traditions we take the
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traditions that are handed to us with care and we work to improve them for a new era for new
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new context and so i think that that's also the thing to to differentiate there is traditionalism
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versus culturally normative non-traditional values yeah i i also think of the winston churchill quote
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about someone being angry at you meaning that you actually stood up for something and that's something
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that i i think is running hand in hand with the concept of being weird that you won't if everyone agrees
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with you or if you were not controversial in any way if people aren't mad at you you aren't fighting
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for anything substantive and you're not making a difference and something that we discussed early
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in our careers was where we could actually make a difference in life and if you are this was in the
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context of whether you should work with google or not and my argument to you was that in google if you
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do not take your position where you would make the most optimal decision for whatever department you were put in
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someone else with equal intelligence and credentials to you roughly speaking would make the same optimal
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decisions there there would be no difference in the world depending on who was in that role because it
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was going to be a role in which whoever was there was going to make roughly the same optimal decision
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and what really mattered was where we would have an impact we would be a delta and you're not going to in
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society make that impact if if you're just doing what everyone thinks is the inevitable course of
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society when running correctly you know absolutely agree with you and and to add more color to the
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anecdote she's talking about here there was a time in my life right at jaw choice between joining a
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venture capital firm in korea which was like a really risky move for me or taking on a management
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position at google and she was like differentially you will have more impact on reality if you take
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the job in korea therefore it's the obvious choice speaking of you know we also look for opportunities
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to help people in these sorts of spaces so that said if anyone here is looking to buy server space for ai
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stuff we are looking to find somebody interested in that right now for a side project that i've taken on
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because i think it could change the course of ai development and of course now that's an inflection
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point in human history so that's why i'm i'm focused on it now by the way the the churchill quote is
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you have enemies good that means you've stood up for something sometime in your life
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and i love that yeah no people are like how do you feel about people online making fun of you and
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it's like well you see here is the thing i've met the average human if the average human disapproves of me
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i'm probably doing something right uh the average human sucks oh my god uh but yeah it's it's it's
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absolutely wild now to you simone how did you grow up thinking about this term weird would you have
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thought about the term weird as like an intrinsically negative term growing up or would you have taken it
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as a compliment i would have taken it as a compliment which is another reason why i find this
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this campaign tactic so perplexing it i thought that everyone when asked who they were in high
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school the default as a joke as a trope answer was i was the weird one i floated between crowds you
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know i didn't affiliate with really anyone and i thought that everyone saw themselves as weird and and
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considered themselves weird and the fact that they're attacking someone is weird i thought
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well they're only going to alienate themselves from everyone who identifies as weird apparently
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i was incorrect in this being a pervasive trope did am i missing something here or was that actually a
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thing no i thought it was a thing too i always thought weird was a good thing right like or at least
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it was how people personally identified so if you saw other people accusing someone of being weird
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it's that same effect that i said about uh freaks that if you saw someone being someone calling
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someone else weirdo or freak they would think the name caller was the bad guy not the name called
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well and i think that this this sort of shows that the progressive party has become a party of
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people desperate to fit in desperate to not be criticized if you were desperate to fit in you'd be
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like we're all weirdos here and like we're inclusive i thought that was the thing i thought that was
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dangerous once they got cultural control of society no now the weirdos are the bad guys they're the cool
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kids and i'd also like to point out here that some people be like how can you be saying this trump's
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the bully not camilla look at the way he acted in like his early debates where he would make fun of
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people and i was like okay come on bro in trump's early debates when he was debating against like the
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other conservatives to win the ticket he was hands down seen as the underdog he was a giant political
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institution that was constantly making fun of him saying his political campaign was a joke nobody took
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him seriously nobody took him seriously and constantly constantly clowned on him he was the guy going up
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he's the the little nerdy kid who you saw getting bullied and then like turns out to know karate or
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something no no here's the problem is you haven't seen it but in 16 candles he's the blonde nerd and
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it for those who haven't seen the movie including you malcolm in in the movie there is this character
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who's kind of like the bully of the nerds who comes up to them and is like i'm gonna i'm gonna have sex
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with this girl you know i'm gonna like get her panties and then he does get her panties but he doesn't
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actually have sex with her he just convinces her to loan her panties to him so he can tell his friends
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that he had sex with her trump yeah but like that's trump trump is like just i want to like
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i want to be cool i want people to see that i'm cool and he he may come across as a bully sometimes
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i think mostly because he's fronting he wants people no no it's not because he does unless you
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are completely brainwashed trump never looked like a bully to you if you are brainwashed then you're like
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anyone who fights the urban monoculture automatically bad but trump well okay come on the name calling the
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the the you know he does yeah but he was clearly in a position of non-power he had a giant political
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apparatus that was against him on both sides he had an entire press he wants to be seen as a
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powerful boy regardless you're fired come on malcolm most nerds want to be seen as powerful there's the
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famous line at the end of revenge of the nerds where the one character goes well i'm a nerd which is
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something i just learned today you know you you don't like you don't get the nerd card okay simone
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but when he was making fun of whether it was the press or it was his political opponents these were
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people with power over him that had been acting in bad faith against him yeah it was exactly to
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everyone who was watching this with any level of cultural sanity the nerd in the high school that
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you know a hallway who didn't get stopped by a group of like three beefy bullies who are picking
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on him like and then he ends up just verbally owning them and then like he's like yeah but you know your
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mom doesn't love you and it's getting a divorce and they like run off crying or something people can be
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like whoa that was a low blow the truth is is everybody who saw what went down is like thank god that
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little squirrely guy stood up for himself and every every other little squirrely guy out there that is
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what he represented in those moments and you can be like well that's he reacted to their bullying like
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you look at the oh what about the reporter who had that disability but it's like yeah but did you read
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the piece that he wrote about trump did you like are you just pretending that he did nothing to that he
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didn't have power over trump that he's supposed to be able to like write whatever he wants to do
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whatever he wants without trump overstepping in the same way that he overstepped in his position
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of power in society and i think that this is the thing it's very much like a how can he slap moment
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progressives are so used to making fun of and clowning on and telling white lies from their
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perspective about their opponents go on bitch say something funny uh oh it's getting mad jack let's
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just get out of here okay yeah puss run away go ahead bitch say something funny make me laugh
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and then when their opponents fight back they're like oh my god you can't do that you're a lower
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cast member than me in our society my cast is allowed to goon on your cast but you're not allowed to do
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anything to us of course and i think that you're you're playing into their well basically lie that that
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trump was acting with any level of cultural authority in those moments once trump was actually
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president once he actually had power he did fairly little actually picking on people and this is
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something yeah locker up kind of stopped and and he didn't look the progressives literally tried to
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lock him up he didn't when he got power all of that stuff for him was because and allowed like by his
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set of morals allowed because he was in a position of less power not not it wasn't stuff that he did
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when he became president and he did it even less than previous republican presidents like back when
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the republican ethos was like the dominant ethos and you look at like the george bush era it was like
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well known that he would constantly make fun of his like staffers like lightly right but i'll put
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the uh clip here from um 30 rock where he gets the nickname burger like five seconds after meeting
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bush because that was the type of guy he was he was from a dominant culture and he was used
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to using it to sort of signal his power over other people but trump didn't do that and he also didn't
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really front you know look at him always getting his like mcdonald's and everything like that you know
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he had weird cultural things but they weren't high class cultural things like is a gold toilet high
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class or trashy right a gold toilet and mcdonald's burgers is the trashiest thing i can imagine it's just
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rich trashy you know he wasn't actually culturally fronting he was being himself it is nerdy but i
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mean do you have other thoughts on this or no i i think that that's accurate and i i still can't get
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over it i i can't get over that we've gotten to the point where the the party that used to be about
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letting your freak flag fly has become the party that literally accuses its opponents of being
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weird but even think about the things that they're accusing them of jd vance wears eyeliner
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yeah i thought eyeliner belonged to the left they should be like stop appropriating our eyeliner jd vance
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no but they're like he's the weird kid let's pick on him yeah and and also you know sex with
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the couch i thought we were sex positive this is horrible yeah is that not like a classic weirdo
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kid who then ends up making a billion dollar thing to do like yeah but also he didn't do it
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you know he didn't do it but what i'm saying is even the fictions that they're creating yeah even
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yeah even the figure are power fantasies around bullying someone to create a fiction like no it's
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so classic it's like the it's like something that mean girls would make up in a high school
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that like oh so and so had sex with the couch that that's it's what like shelby the the mean
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cheerleader who hates cheryl i'm bad at names but yeah i it's it's it's juvenile in invention i mean it's
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funny and i'm sure someone came up with it that you know they were very clever to do so but oh my
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god i need to take it aside here to talk about like how much dems don't get it wait what the the video
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from kennedy that unfortunately he's probably gonna hurt trump because it connects with like base people
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so much if he has this video and i'll see if i put it here about running into a a bear okay so
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bear roadkill he's a bear right kill story like like make fun of him they're like what a weirdo
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to like put a bear in central park and then i'll play the video here release the highlights from it
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and that woman in a van in front of me hit a bear and killed it a young bear so i pulled over and i picked
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up the bear and put him in the back of my van because i was going to skin the bear and it was very
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good condition and i was going to and put the meat in my refrigerator and you can do that in new york
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state you can get a bear tag for a roadkill bear so we stayed late and instead of going back to my
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home in leicester i had to go right to the city because there was a dinner at peter luker steakhouse
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and at the end of the dinner it went late and i realized i couldn't go home i had to go to the airport
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and the bear was in my car and i didn't want to leave the bear in the car um because that would
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have been bad so then i thought you know at that time this was the little bit of the redneck in me
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there'd been a series of bicycle accidents in new york they had just put in the bike lanes
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and saw people a couple of people that got killed and it was every day and people had gotten badly
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injured every day it was in the press and so i thought i wasn't drinking of course but people
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were drinking like me who thought this was a good idea and i said i had an old bike in my car that
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somebody asked me to get rid of it i said let's go put the bear in central park and we'll make it
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look like it look like you got in my life it'll be fun and funny for people so everybody thought
00:34:20.740
that's a great idea so we went and did that and we thought it would be amusing for whoever found it or
00:34:26.660
something the next day it was like it was on every television station it was the front page of every
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paper and i turned on the tv and there was like mile of yellow tape and there were 20 cop cars
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there were helicopters flying over it and i was like oh my god what did i do and uh and then they
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were there was some people on tv and type accidents with gloves on lifting up the bike and they're
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saying they're going to take this up to albany to get a finger friend and uh
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uh i was worried because my friends were all over that bike
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luckily um the uh the story died after a while and uh and it stayed dead for a decade and um the new
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yorker somehow found out about it and they just they're gonna do a big article on me and that's one
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one of the articles so they asked me the fact record is dead you know it's gonna be a bad story
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and then you watch this video and if you're like a patriotic american you're coming away from this
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like this guy is amazing like yeah a he's the type of guy who like sees bear roadkill and his first
00:35:51.860
thought is i bet i could skin that yeah skin it and freeze the meat this is an opportunity there
00:35:57.380
you know and also that he knew the roadkill laws yeah well it's legal in new york so it should be
00:36:02.420
fine to break him away from this kennedy stereotype of like being out of touch and you're like oh no
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this guy f's i know well but okay here's what i want i want your take on and maybe base campers want
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to know this too who is kennedy going to draw votes from is he going to draw votes from trump or from
00:36:21.460
from kamala harris with stuff like this i mean this is the most authentic thing i've ever seen
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then that he he gets he gets to new york and he's like oh gosh i gotta go to an airport i can't leave
00:36:30.580
the bear in my car what do i do is it oh i know what i'll do i'll put it in a bike lane and then take
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an old bike and and put it next to it like somebody crashed into the bear to try to clown on bikers
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and it's like here's the thing everybody hates bikers pedestrians hate bikers cars hate bikers the
00:36:49.060
only people who don't like bikers are obsessive bikers that guy no man other bicyclists hate
00:36:53.940
bikers the only time i've ever been hit by a bike is when i was on a bike oh i i'm gonna post a video
00:36:59.620
of the it crowd biker boss guy but like i had a guy like this a biker at my office who would come in
00:37:05.220
and like with his outfit yeah just so you knew he's a biker there's like biker cleats yeah yeah yeah yeah
00:37:13.540
so i i see this that i'm like oh my god that is one i love that you are like you know non-pretentious
00:37:20.340
and backwards enough to see roadkill and immediately think skin it two you're cool enough to clown on
00:37:26.900
bikers like come on that's fun man well then isn't trump screwed then if kennedy is gonna draw votes
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from him nobody really cares i i mean look kennedy is is not gonna matter that much in this election
00:37:42.740
but i i will say that i gained a lot more respect for him after seeing this and this is such a good
00:37:47.220
example of media baiting where the progressives think that some fact that they are delivering to
00:37:51.620
you is going to make you hate a person and then a normal american watches it and they're like that guy
00:37:55.780
is so cool well he also he handled this in the perfect way possible basically he hoped that this story
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would stay dead for what 30 years yeah and he had the new yorker call him to fact check it realized oh
00:38:11.300
shit this is finally coming out i thought this would never come out and then decided to release a video
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about it and he released the video in the best possible way it wasn't him facing a camera saying
00:38:23.780
this is what happened i'm sorry it was him sitting at a table talking to like in a room there's at least
00:38:29.620
two other people there are clearly more but mostly like a woman who's kind of leaning against a coffee
00:38:34.180
table and at first the woman looks kind of just kind of bored and disinterested or maybe a little bit
00:38:41.460
mad at him and then everyone just starts cracking up as his story plays out and as you're watching
00:38:47.220
this woman you're with her you're having this journey with her as you're hearing this story and
00:38:51.620
you're cracking up with her and it was it was perfectly done i don't know how intentional all
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of it was but he had a masterful approach i love this before we sign out what is the one another
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thing that they've been attacking jd vance for being weird for it i want to hear your response to this
00:39:09.140
the weird cat lady oh the childless cat lady 2021 comment on twitter that he will now there's an op-ed
00:39:18.740
in the new york times there's an op-ed in the new yorker i mean everyone has an opinion
00:39:23.380
about him calling people out for being childless cat ladies we used to know that old maid was a bad
00:39:29.700
thing that being a cat lady was a bad thing but now the progressives are like a party of cat ladies
00:39:34.820
and they're like how dare he they call her the cat lady people say she's crazy just because she has a few
00:39:41.620
dozen cats well i love his response and one of his responses in a tv interview recently was i have
00:39:52.100
nothing against cats which is uh that's a great apology they're like i'm not a cat lady i just have
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one cat she'll become a crazy cat lady she only has one cat give her time because no it's it's we've
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got to shame this stuff and there was actually a progressive outlet that i think it was in new
00:40:13.860
york times you were saying that said actually he's right to be shaming this the new york no the new
00:40:18.420
york times op-ed that i read was not it was it was shaming him for saying that because for example he
00:40:24.900
pointed out that many people who are childless are not childless by choice that he criticized for
00:40:29.460
example pete buddha judge about being childless and being one of the many childless lawmakers that's
00:40:35.540
dictating the lives of american families when at that time he didn't know this of course no one
00:40:40.100
do this but pete buddha judge and his husband had just faced a major setback in their adoption journey
00:40:44.660
which is heartbreaking right so the the point that this uh progressive new york times op-ed contributor
00:40:49.940
was making was that it's not really fair to criticize childless people and shame them because
00:40:56.100
you never know what's going on with them and it's actually quite sad that growing numbers of people
00:40:59.620
under 50 are reporting that they're not they don't expect to ever have kids because many of those
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people want kids so you know he he still shamed him and i i i'm with you and i are clear on our
00:41:08.900
stance that perinatalism should not be about shaming people but you know anything that people say on
00:41:14.420
twitter you are clear on that i'm clear i think that it should involve a component of i know you
00:41:19.300
never wanted to be child free i did and i understand that lifestyle and i respect it and i think it's
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totally fine and people who want to be child free should be child free they didn't have positions of
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power in society no no no peachy keenan is on board with me peachy keenan has argued the best possible
00:41:34.980
thing is that the people who want to be child free are going to be child free let them be child
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free okay i guess you're right we don't want to yeah we don't want to pressure somebody you're right
00:41:43.220
because then they're having kids for social status and that's yes there's nothing worse than than
00:41:47.460
someone bringing in an unwanted child that's not going to be given the best possible child and the best
00:41:51.380
possible shot at life anyway the the larger point is that when something is posted on twitter
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like twitter is for trolling okay you i don't any shaming that takes place on twitter doesn't
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count as shaming because it is twitter it is where you trash talk okay this is not
00:42:11.460
another thing you mentioned about this article is the number one upvoted comment under it
00:42:15.300
was wouldn't it be better if humanity went extinct right so the new york times outfit that i'm referring
00:42:19.300
to that malcolm is referring to which we can link to in the in the description basically was a progressive
00:42:24.660
argument for pronatalism it was saying that the demographic collapse does affect everyone
00:42:29.060
including progressives and that while jd vance's approach to the issue based on shaming and that his
00:42:35.060
policy stances that don't include support for single parents that don't support lgbtq plus whatever
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marriages etc is not the answer that we still need a progressive answer optimally from the press view
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in the form of social services for oh i have to take a donor call can i okay take it all right i love
00:42:54.420
you i'm muting myself and seeing if i can finish up prenatalism matters to everyone that was the
00:42:58.820
argument that was being made in the op-ed and then the the number one comment that was upvoted in this
00:43:06.100
new york times op-ed was well but honestly wouldn't it be better if there were no humans left in the
00:43:12.260
world like isn't human extinction kind of okay which is and you know what i tweeted that i tweeted that
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saying this is why prognatalism is a right wing coded article and the author of the op-ed retweeted it
00:43:22.660
because i think he's equally frustrated he's like i tried i tried and and no one's listening and so
00:43:28.660
he gets it now he understands retweeted your tweet that's amazing he retweeted it he retweeted it yeah