Why We Changed Our Mind On Israel (This Would Hand Trump His Third Term)
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Summary
In this episode, Simone talks about why he's changed his mind on the best path forward with israel, and why he thinks it's time to cut off all ties with the Jewish state. He also explains why he doesn't think the mainstream of the right should be willing to go along with this.
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hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today i have been thinking a lot about this over
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the past few days and one i changed my mind on a major issue which is the best path forward with
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israel a lot of people know i have been pretty ardently zionist in the past and two are you a
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zionist or are you a pragmatist i'm more of a pragmatist and i think that i'll explain where
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i've changed my view on this and i i think that if this is correctly implemented and the reason i'm
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going to lay this out in the podcast is i'm going to lay out every step in terms of doing this how
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you would do it as a republican administration right now and like we'll explain how will it
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basically destroy the modern democratic party if trump can execute on this the path forward to
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own the libs cut off israel cut off israel yes so we're going to go over how you can do this how
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you can do this in a way that is politically viable how you can do this in a way that maintains a strong
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relationship with israel how you can do this in a way that strengthens our relationship not just with
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israel but with the middle east more broadly how you can do this in a way that netanyahu has
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basically baited already and i was unaware that netanyahu has kept saying this and so they wanted
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anyway the only reason why we are not aggressively moving towards this right now is a pack who we need
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to just railroad although i will go over that a pack has shown a willingness to bend on stuff like
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this in the past if it's laid out to them logically and the the thing that sort of brought this up for
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me so i'll go into where i started to go down this fast was twofold one was i was talking with a fan
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in the discord and they're like you've always said that the right should not maintain any issue like
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this is that's an overlap of of ideologies that we can't actually win elections with right or that's
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really going to impact our chances of winning elections yeah 90 10 issues has been so smart
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right like he's but we get so much in terms of jewish and a pack money it can be useful even in
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terms of if it's not getting out the vote in terms of getting out the money which helps get out the vote
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more but there's a few problems here one is money has been mattering less and less in terms of election
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cycles historically and two is what happened recently which is recently one of the girls
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from the red scare podcast are having nick fuentes not even their own beliefs but interviewing him on
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their podcast got like actually canceled and i was under the position that cancellation was over like they
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lost a major job contract they lost their agency but i was like no like this this is the type of thing
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that when it happens to someone in the right the rest of the right needs to 100 get behind them
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tucker carlson has done some iffy things but this is different this is like a more mainstream
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like not like venezuelan dictator interviewing type this is more like and i think that was cool that he
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did that whatever but i can understand where you can be like oh he's a more out there figure on the
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right these days this is a more centrist figure on the right these days and two is ben shapiro
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has been basically spiraling like lemon grab since this event unacceptable unacceptable unacceptable
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and i'm just like the mainstream of the right like it's very obvious to me the mainstream of the
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right is going to have to cut the ben shapiro faction completely off if we don't want a full-on
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civil war would you agree with that by the way yeah if you're like well why the ben shapiro faction
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and not the nick fuentes faction the reason is twofold one is you just have to be practical ben shapiro has
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been dropping followers like flies recently like 20 000 unsubs every month he's been losing people for
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the past well really since this blew up so it's obvious that he's losing in the public mind but not
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just that it's also that he committed the cardinal sin of the modern right which is attempting to ban
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people and make arguments based on pearl clutching rather than rational argument we cannot allow that
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that needs to be an absolute if you do that you are out right that makes you a leftist that is the
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argument that the leftists have been retreating to and if you normalize that style of argument then the
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leftists automatically win because they always win in the game of you hurt my fifis and that's the game
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that ben shapiro has been trying to play you said something that falls outside of what i consider and
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what the dominant culture considers socially normal but the modern right is made up of people who oppose
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the dominant culture that oppose the urban monoculture so of course we cannot allow the mean streaming of
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that form of argumentation i ran a sentiment analysis on x and 70 to 75 of the tweets that have gone out
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about ben shapiro recently have been extremely negative with only five to ten percent being positive
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and the five to ten percent that are positive are pretty much exclusively from boomers and neocons which
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are factions that are dying out if you do not want anti-semitic sentiment to grow we need to cut out the
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type of sentiment that ben shapiro represents and so how do we navigate that without losing israel
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which is very important in terms of being a highly economically productive highly technologically
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productive nation that has a decent fertility rate in fact the only such country on earth that is
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has a good reason to be allied with us going into the future right how do we do that with zip right
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while keeping them on board basically completely cut them off and there is a way too that helps us in
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a ton of other areas as well so to go forwards by the way the larger problem what are your thoughts on
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it do you actually believe that we do sort of like things are sort of coming to a head where the american
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right cannot maintain both of these ideologies it does yeah it seems like especially nick fuentes
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is trending so much even in our comments i see it this this really weird well invention is so
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coming off as the weenest bad guy in all this and that like we sort of need a mainstream play and that's
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the reason why we're making this episode because a lot of policy makers watch our show or a number do
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at least but i've spoken at the white house on this stuff and a lot of other influencers watch our show
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and so if we can begin influencing a third way forwards and a way that has so many positive
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externalities for the party let's do it right yeah because honestly the the arguments that i'm
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mostly here against israel all get grouped in by some people into like oh this is you're trying to
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exterminate jones but like some people just like hey why are we paying for this like some of the
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arguments are very very very reasonable and israel needs to make it so these arguments are not
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reasonable and yeah well i mean i think this is similar to your your ai argument where if you make
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it such that one group cannot exist um period then you know the other group is obligated to
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yeah what she's thinking is if you say i will kill any human who is better than me through like
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augmentations or i will kill any ai that's better than me then eventually you mandate those systems
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turning against you yeah and right now the way the arguments seem to be going is like well
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you know if you question israel at all then you know you you are the enemy or if you support israel
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at all then you are the enemy and and we need to de-escalate that to like
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more boring i actually don't even think we need to de-escalate it i think we can do the throwing
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the anchor off the boat in mid-flight to turn it around at full speed lower the starboard anchor
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you know like they do we're really mixing the force here pirates of the caribbean buying boats
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no what i mean is is is or the apollo 13 use our trajectory in one direction with gravitational pull
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to slingshot us at an equal velocity in the opposite direction in a way that your opponents don't see
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coming at all totally change course so we'll go over how this way just stunned submission yeah so
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right now the us is putting about 3.8 billion this is like on an average year in terms of our
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pre-existing agreements with a 10 year more random signed in 2016 with israel right i'm suggesting we cut
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this off before the turning point and i'll explain why in just a second now if we put that 3.8 billion
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in context it's really not that much with consider that that's like ethiopia is 1.8 billion a year
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jordan is 1.7 billion a year so that's as much as we're giving ethiopia and jordan every year except
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that money stays in ethiopia and jordan and with israel it's mostly coming back to us i think over 90
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comes back to our military contractors who are going to be the biggest problem in doing this like
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ethiopia and jordan are not long-term geopolitically relevant to us israel is long-term geopolitically
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relevant to us so why why are we why are we like caring about this right like optically speaking
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and that's what i'm going to be like okay so what actually happens and we're going to go into the
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economics of cutting israel off or it's not just them what if you took like jordan egypt together
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that's about the same amount a year what if you took yemen nigeria somalia and kenya together
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that's about the same amount per year and again it's it's much worse in these countries because we're
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wasting the money in these countries i.e it stays in those countries it's for development in israel
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it mostly comes back to us let's cut it off but let's go forward here all right so the foreign
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military financing fms under the 2016 to 2028 memorandum of understanding the mou which was a
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binding treaty but not legally enforceable agreement between the governments so the president actually
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has flexibility here aid is appropriated by congress each year so trump couldn't quote unquote
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just cut it off although i do think it is smart to push it to congress and i'll explain why in a
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second overnight without legislative buy-in but he could delay disimbursements attach new conditions
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e.g tying it to quote-unquote american first procedures favoring u.s jobs or push for reductions
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via budgetary proposals and he's already done stuff like this in other areas so how would trump frame this
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in a way that doesn't just burn everything down well what's important to note is trump's unique
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relationship with israel trump in his first term moved the embassy very controversially into
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jerusalem which freaked everyone else in the left the f out but in israel that was announced while you
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were in israel yeah they like had his picture projected on buildings around like jerusalem when
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i was there it was very big it was a big deal it wasn't just like he he negotiated this written the the
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the troop the the hostage release in israel where they regularly on the left and the right in israel
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they super came together over this they like painted big memorials of him on beaches and stuff like
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this it was seen as like an across the board broadly good thing where some leftists attack trump over
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this but broadly everyone in israel thought this was a good idea then you had the helping israel in iran
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right so if trump said hey let's cut this off and we're going to go to netanyahu and see that netanyahu
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has actually suggested this broadly and the core reason trump hasn't gone along with it is because
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of people who are basically more zionists than netanyahu in united states positions that we can get
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around we'll get to that in a second cut off this funding entirely if he said we're going to cut this off
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but he frames it as a graduation basically saying this is military aid when this military aid was
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given to you you had three core opponents that were an existential threat to your state hamas hezbollah
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and iran well we just helped you deal with iran we just you guys basically handled hezbollah on your
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own they're at like 30 operational efficiency now and hamas isn't exactly an existential threat anymore
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right so it only makes sense that we would pull back on these sorts of funding
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but you don't do this right away there's other benefits we could get to this
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before you do this deal you go to saudi arabia you go to saudi arabia and you say hey
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what if we build this framing for you guys right you work towards re-normalizing with israel
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but we can treat this as a saudi arabia victory america pulling out of funding israel military
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and we will say we did it with you as the negotiator saudi arabia now this is going to look
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great for saudi arabia in terms of regional power plays and saudi arabia can say look at what happens
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when iran tries to move the us out of israel the us gets more entrenched look at when we try to do it we
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actually get the us out of the region now what does this do politically in the united states
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well the the left is completely effed completely effed because they've been trying to get the us
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disentangled from israel for decades at this point and they haven't been able to if trump did an about
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face on this one his base would be super into it like like his core core base would be super into it
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oh yeah it would completely undermine the left in the next elections because he ended the gaza war
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and ended military funding in israel right which would be very hard for leftists to go against at
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that point right and this is becoming like a major issue for them right how do you even win how do you
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how do you as like aoc go up and try to run against somebody like that or an administration
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member like that right better it helps fold the the civil war that's happening right now right
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which is to say amid doing this you could make a speech and i think vance would do a very good job
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of handling this because he's very good with nuanced things that the right should not be about canceling
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arm right like basically everyone knows who he's talking about on this issue so it can also be seen
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as this is what happens if you try to build large cancellation campaigns on the right like we will
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about face in a way that you potentially don't like because i can see israel will like this but
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apac and people like whatever his name is ben shapiro will hate this right because it's basically
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famed as a failure on their part right for doing these types of cancellation campaigns but it will prevent
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the actual you know basically just anti-semitic for the state of anti-semitism from gaining any more
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ground because now they either have to say in the same way that many leftists had to be like actually
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it wasn't about the war it was just about the anti-semitism many people on the right are either
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gonna have to take a stance which is either okay now i'm all in maga america first again or no i i still
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really want to like attack jewish people right so it basically forces people's true colors in a way
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that prevents anti-semitism from growing under the guise of we are really concerned about this money
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we're sending to israel without getting anything quote unquote in return now i've argued that i do think
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we get stuff in return but it prevents that argument from being used which is fundamentally long-term
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beneficial to israel we'll get to that in a second before i go further here thoughts about
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i find this very compelling keep going i mean i just the one thing i'm not so sure about is the
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really heavy lobbying interests behind the companies the defense companies are primarily benefiting from
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this it's going to be like boeing it's going to be like honeywell it's going to be like a bunch
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of american contractors right they are going to have an absolute connection because they have been
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the primary beneficiaries of our aid to israel not yeah because this is basically like a spending
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program for american businesses where their products end up in israel yeah and they i feel like that's
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might be more of a driver behind all this than anyone this is no but this is actually the beauty of this
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right so trump can handle all of this in a way where i would believe that like trump has a strong
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enough relationship with netanyahu's government that he can be like hey i need you to come out and
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say like this is a really good idea we want to do this and i'm going to argue that all the signs point
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to them being amenable to that if they do that right then if you as a congressman or senator come out
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against this and recently democrats have been getting equal to more funding from the military
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contractors and republicans right the only reason you would be coming out defending this is military
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contractors right if you can get netanyahu on your side on this right and and i actually think this would
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work really well in israel as well if netanyahu got on board with this and i'm going to explain the
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project that i think we can pitch to israel that would get him on board with this even further than
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he already is but basically it's trump's opportunity to call out the quote-unquote true deep state trump
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doesn't care about military contractors but if he's out there being like anyone who opposes this
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it's clearly doing it not for the sake of israel look at what netanyahu is saying but because of their
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crony ties to aipac and the military contractors this looks good for nobody right uh it's a good way to
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clear out opposition and democratic opposition and watch if because so many democrats just
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reflexively oppose anything trump does watch if a large faction of democratic congressmen because i
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think enough republicans would be like oh like we actually kind of need to get on board with this
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especially if we can get netanyahu on board with this you know like you're you're otherwise simpy for
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israel like ted cruz types well if the democrats and i promise you a large fraction of democrats
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reflexively will end up saying no we cannot in these military contracts it makes the democratic party look
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yeah okay yeah and i want to go into the netanyahu stuff before i pitch what i think we can do that would
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make this look really good like long term all right and and like we're talking joaquin martin raytheon
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like that's going to be the huge huge fighters on this right they're going to lose their minds over
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this and we'll go into it but let's see what has netanyahu been saying on this okay here's a quote
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from netanyahu we received close to four billion for arms i think we will need to wean ourselves
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off american security aid just as we weaned ourselves off of america economic aid this is
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a direct quote from netanyahu during the meeting referenced in multiple expos and it was in november 13th
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2025 okay so this is very fresh yeah he's basically saying i'm up for this and note here the core
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danger of not doing this under the left we weaned israel off of economic aid right if they do that for
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military aid they're going to own that as a feather in their hat right if we do this as the right it
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basically it's gonna happen if the left wins anyway right why don't we do this while maintaining
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a strong relationship in the meantime right it's foolish of us to not take advantage of this
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potential win given how much it will throw our opponents geopolitically i mean even i think in
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europe who's been complaining about the united states israel relationship forever but also locally
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right okay other quote here this is amit havali this is a a high level guy was a sort of netanyahu
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ally guy he says quote biden or trump whitkoff or former secretary of state tony blinken
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there is one clear conclusion for the past two years israel needs to be independent and not reliant
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israel is already 77 years old it's time to be weaned this is an important statement by prime
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minister netanyahu and this was in march 2025 so basically he's saying and this is on his u.s visit
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right basically saying hey i support netanyahu in this so he's getting political support on this
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if we go to other interviews we get netanyahu saying i don't know what they're talking about
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my direction is in the exact opposite so basically this was when they were talking about netanyahu renewing
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at the end of 2028 another 20-year agreement and netanyahu said i plan to do the exact opposite of
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that so netanyahu plans to not renew the agreement but what would be an even louder political sign
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is if we cut it off a few years before that because we don't want netanyahu handing this win to democrats
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right yeah they end up winning in the next cycle like we we basically gain nothing from this another
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quote from netanyahu now i want to make our arms industry independent totally as independent as
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possible then we have netanyahu i think that it is time to ensure that israel is independent
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then we have netanyahu we have a very strong economy a very strong arm industry and even though
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we get what we get which we appreciate 80 of that is spent on the us and produces jobs in the us
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i want an even more independent israeli defense industry basically he's saying do you not see
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that in a way this hurts us to be so dependent on the united states why it does yeah right okay next
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one and this one has been quoted in a few different ways israel does not ask others to fight for us
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okay source close to netanyahu and this one we don't know who it was but it was confirmed in some
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reporting we passed on civilian aid in 1996 and might pass on military aid in 2026 israel and
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america are partners an alliance like no other fighting on the front lines of civilization so
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note here he's saying let it pass in 2026 what i'm saying is no no no no no no no if that's the
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direction you're planning to go anyways handle it in this administration administration it puts you in
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a much stronger position and you have the political protection because who is really going to
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complain if it's coming from trump given all the other things he's already done for israel exactly
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yeah and then in another unconfirmed the per like insider this is out of the box thinking we want to
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change the way in which we handle past agreements and put more emphasis on u.s israeli cooperation
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cooperation the americans like this idea so how do you do this in a way that benefits the united states
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even further so i've always said that israel's core advantage is the jews a lot of the leading
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ai people even in the united states are of jewish ancestry right so we want to align their interests
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with ours if we look at the future of warfare even currently israel has been investing a lot
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in ai-based projects right now a lot of their existing ai-based projects are very distributive
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in terms of how they are implemented well what if you say when you announce all of this you say hey
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we want to do a joint effort in one of the most important areas of military technology going
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forward which is ai now one of the things to note was past joint efforts with israel as i noted in
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the past israel video is israel has sometimes sold technology from these joint efforts when they are
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being done within israel this wasn't ones that were being developed in the united states but when they
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were developed within israel they later sold them to china and i think in both instances yeah which you
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know not something we feel great about yeah so basically but why were they able to do this they
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were able to do this after the projects were discontinued and they basically had all of the
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tech that they had been working on in a u.s co-venture in israel right okay but ai is different than
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something like developing a plane or something like that you need giant stable data centers exactly
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the type of thing that would be a very juicy target to the type of people who would want to bomb
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you right second they need to be cooled right not easy to do in israel right because israel's a hot place
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huh what's a location that is probably the single most defensible place on earth where you have cheap
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energy and lots of cooling resources oh the united states right so if israel wanted to move to a
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partnership relationship with united states and they want to develop super advanced ai and they wanted
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to show that they are moving into a more equal partners position with the united states what we should do
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is a totally joint ai mega project i love it now why is it needing to be totally joint because that way
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it doesn't get sunset like one of these past plane projects and then sold to china if it is israel's
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core mega data center right for ai development and if it is a core development center for us military ai
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development it doesn't benefit israel to leak the technology it would in fact be completely foolish for
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israel to leak the technology second it very logically you know you're basically saying hey
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why would you develop a mega data center in israel when it can just be bombed right like there is a
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logical reason for them to put it in the united states but now they have a further vested interest
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in our continued relationship with israel in our defense and in actually making this a really good
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project and it looks like a joint project where we can say we won't invest a dime going to israel
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because all of this development money is going to the united states and israel needs to develop an ai
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mega project anyway so why does it matter now we might still have quote-unquote aid but it's going
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directly to the united states do not pass go do not collect 200 not going to israel to the united states
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and it's going directly to american contractors within the united states developing a project that
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is directly for american use it's just that the israeli government is doing it as a joint project
00:27:18.520
so it benefits us across the board while actually solidifying our longitudinal alliance much more
00:27:27.080
than military aid for american government contractors does and this could be used to lower
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i think initially the fears that the government contractors have which is you go to boeing
00:27:38.360
you go to raytheon you go hey ai is the future anyway yeah right we promise you a certain amount of
00:27:45.800
contractor deals in the new ai mega project for the military and so you're just transitioning the
00:27:53.160
money that used to go to israel to this we'll cut them off eventually but you know for the first year
00:27:58.680
to have them not do a bunch of lobbying we can handle this right well this is not going just to like
00:28:03.320
like fuel weapons and instead develop bombs right like
00:28:12.280
okay so before i go further on the economics of how israel can pull this off without american aid
00:28:17.720
because i'm gonna go over basically we learned in the last military theater that they don't actually
00:28:22.040
need this aid as much as they thought they did um so basically we're was a lot of this to go to get
00:28:28.280
weapons that just aren't gonna get used now because they're not yeah relevant with how
00:28:32.360
modern warfare works oh hate wasted money yeah it's going to pay for big fancy american tanks and planes
00:28:39.480
that nobody really needs anymore yeah your thoughts before i go further simone i just i just want this
00:28:46.440
done now sounds good to me you just want this implemented well the other joint project we could go into
00:28:53.240
israel is bringing them in on project replicator but it would have to be a completely joint project
00:28:57.160
if they were doing that no it being developed in israel so if they want if they want to have basically
00:29:04.760
israeli military officials or israeli military scientists those people are living and working
00:29:11.160
in the united states facility yeah i could see that one that would work better that way and and again we
00:29:17.720
have a go away you guys have habitually leaked stuff when we've developed it in israel in the past
00:29:22.760
it's stupid to develop it in israel and it's not even in your own best interest
00:29:28.360
yeah all right continuing here okay so what can we cut first we can cut the navy corvettes the
00:29:34.760
tsar ships so these are a partial northrop developed ship okay and you could easily cut 50 moss ball
00:29:43.240
two to three corvettes right now they're costing around 800 million a year and there have been no recent
00:29:49.000
naval battles that they would be relevant with they are really only relevant in gaza gaza blockade
00:29:55.240
but the gaza gaza blockade could be done much better with drone ships than this particularly
00:30:01.000
relevant submarines why the heck do you need submarines except for iran intel that's really
00:30:06.360
it is iranian nuke deterrent which we can help with anyway so you could cut this 60 easily it's around 400
00:30:13.960
million a year and there has been no sub warfare in a long time anyway air-based defense this is the
00:30:21.480
iron dome arrow so they do about 10 000 intercepts and this seems like one of the more active thing
00:30:28.680
i mean very very expensive but also quite active yeah but also because they've taken down hezbollah
00:30:35.000
and hamas significantly it is something that could potentially be cut back another one that could be cut
00:30:41.240
back is the reserve slash special forces the they're well this is medium deployment well we'll say
00:30:49.640
maybe and the cyber intel is obviously incredibly useful yeah if you made those potential cutbacks
00:30:55.480
you could get around three to four billion a year and i also think that and specifically here i think tanks
00:31:03.000
is what i would focus on cutting back the most we've seen in more recent warfare types that tanks are
00:31:08.200
more less relevant than they have been historically and things embarrassing if any the only stories you
00:31:14.680
hear about tanks now well no they have been useful against hamas simply because hamas is so primitive
00:31:21.480
that tanks are still useful against their forces that said if you have autonomous drones why are you
00:31:28.120
using tanks at all i would actually move entirely to moss ball the tank program like like literally tank
00:31:35.160
tanks off the battlefield entirely and you could say why not keep like a small amount it's because of
00:31:39.960
the cost savings of not having to have any variable parts for these is just so giant if you completely
00:31:47.320
moss ball that and replace that with ai drones which i think are going to be much more effective
00:31:53.000
especially at urban combat i think you're just going to get much better functionality in in future combat
00:31:59.000
scenarios the air force is much harder i also think the navy can be significantly moss balled with drone
00:32:07.400
ships and drone programs so just move to an entire drone based navy program and then in terms of the the
00:32:14.920
aircraft just you got to keep it it's it's too useful for bombing campaigns and stuff like that
00:32:21.640
unfortunately also the the navy branch is just not that active so that's that's also easy there now
00:32:29.080
in terms of apac apac is going to be one of the hardest things to deal with because they're just
00:32:36.120
zealots but we were able to cut back u.s economic aid to israel in spite of apac i think we can cut back
00:32:43.400
here the other thing that really defangs apac is if this come from trump
00:32:47.800
so thoughts simone we move forward with this what do you think happens
00:32:58.600
i think it better aligns incentives and i think when people
00:33:04.440
misinterpret concepts around zionism or support for israel or opposition for israel they're not
00:33:11.240
looking enough at incentives and underlying streams or pathways to human flourishing
00:33:17.640
your human suffering and what i like about your formulation here and and your proposal is that
00:33:25.000
it is designed to optimize around future human flourishing and benevolently aligned incentives
00:33:33.560
in a way that the current status quo which we still have supported historically over other alternatives
00:33:40.200
does like that what we've said in the past is listen it makes sense for the u.s to be allied with israel
00:33:48.680
it makes sense for us to have a friend in that well you know our best interest and people have pointed out
00:33:52.600
they're like well there's jews in israel that like spit on christians and i'm like there's christians in
00:33:56.280
the u.s that spit on jews like i don't understand like like you've seen the things that like well and that's it but it
00:34:02.040
it also doesn't matter what matters is overall what these countries and their interests are and yeah i
00:34:09.400
mean what what we need are allies who support our right to you know right i think there's a misunderstanding
00:34:20.440
where they think that there's like again israel is other than the united states and the jewish people
00:34:25.400
are other than you know like protestant populations right like they are a different group with different
00:34:31.240
interests and i think that you can recognize that this group might favor their own interests over
00:34:37.160
ours and so the goal is to align those interests in a way where they can't easily favor their interests
00:34:42.120
over no no no no no the better way to put it is you want to create it create systems such that
00:34:49.480
their best interests are best served in a way that also serves our best interests yeah that's that's
00:34:54.760
what i meant everyone acting maximally selfishly acts in a way that benefits each other exactly
00:35:01.720
now it's not set up that way point out here that there is like people will be like oh there are jews
00:35:07.240
who dislike you know goyms or whatever or even even america more broadly right or christians and my
00:35:15.720
answer is yeah and there's a lot of christians who hate jews right like if we allow potential alliances
00:35:21.400
to be leveled by the iterations of each faction that hate the other one you wouldn't have any ally
00:35:28.280
on earth right like there's good there's factions within every group that hate every other group
00:35:33.400
it seems so stupid to just hate a group like what you need to look at is okay what do you want and how
00:35:39.800
are you going to get it and you know what groups are like people on the discord being like oh like
00:35:47.400
israel is destroying like a thousand year old churches and i was like where on earth is that
00:35:51.000
happening and they're like in gaza and i'm like you you understand that the christian population in
00:35:55.000
gaza was genocided right like they used to have a decent christian population and i was less than one
00:35:59.960
percent of the population for context when palestine was created christians made up this was in 1922
00:36:05.800
9.5 percent of the population now they're well under one percent and the this is a bit like saying
00:36:14.920
like the us was anti-semitic because we bombed you know at an ancient temple in dresden when we were
00:36:21.080
firebombing it during world war ii like obviously interests are aligned here like they would it matters
00:36:27.640
much more the actual humans who are being genocided in a region not that you know israel can prevent
00:36:33.480
that without a total occupation of the region but i'm just saying that like if you're talking
00:36:38.040
about are christians being genocided in israel absolutely not are christians being genocided in
00:36:44.600
many muslim majority areas around the world today yes they are so it's it's worth like being aware of
00:36:52.440
the scope of the conflict and that the conflict i think going forward and as i've said going forward
00:36:57.400
in a world of demographic collapse we alliances are going to matter much less between countries
00:37:03.000
and much more between cultural groups i.e jews protestants catholics protestants various muslim
00:37:10.360
groups etc right like and within a country your alliance is going to be much more towards your
00:37:16.600
broader cultural group than it's going to be towards your individual country and i think that the this is
00:37:23.640
broadly already true across most of europe it's just that like the muslims realize it and the native
00:37:30.440
europeans don't yet but for that reason a lot of those countries are going to fall like it's just
00:37:35.720
inevitable they're going to fall at current demographic rates and so when we think about
00:37:39.640
like the future aligned power factions there's a lot of the regions that we we think we can a lot like
00:37:47.880
also i don't even think that europe is really on our side anymore you know they've gone so well
00:37:52.840
it hasn't felt like that since 2016 yeah i i see them like when i look at the core nexuses of power
00:38:01.640
that oppose u.s interests like geopolitically i'm typically like it's the the woke europe monoculture
00:38:10.120
it's the chinese alliance it's the sort of two muslim fact well one muslim faction largely which is the iran
00:38:19.640
nexus maybe saudi arabia but they're more our allies ish they're like in the issue zone more
00:38:27.320
directly opposed to us in the saudi arabian faction is the vatican faction they are always criticizing us
00:38:33.160
and the the socialist countries that fall under their control always are you know thinking the
00:38:37.800
things about us and then in terms of like the nexus that that like is more reliable i think is like
00:38:45.000
like when i'm looking it is united states israel maybe the uk if they can be reclaimed but that
00:38:52.280
seems unlikely maybe australia if it can be reclaimed but that's likely unlike unlikely maybe
00:38:58.440
new zealand but that's also unlikely so like the only reliable player we have on the table is israel
00:39:03.880
which is one of the reasons i'm like it makes sense to invest in them but it doesn't make sense to
00:39:08.040
invest in them in a way that could cause us long-term reputation or even electoral damage if they plan to
00:39:12.840
pull out in 2026 anyway right so any fans of this if you're in there i know we have fans related to
00:39:21.480
the israeli government try to get this idea up to like netanyahu's administration get him to mention it
00:39:27.720
to trump or somebody like that or within the trump administration i want to see this idea broadcast more
00:39:33.240
because i think it would destroy the left in this country while building a much stronger more
00:39:39.880
realistically permanent alliance between the united states and israel and also fix part of the
00:39:45.960
problem we have growing within the right and completely throw cold water on growing anti-semitism
00:39:51.400
among the right in the united states plus boost investment in ai which is the ultimate arms race
00:39:57.080
we should be focused on right now not exactly foreign conflicts that honestly don't matter that much
00:40:04.600
also potentially strengthen our relationship with the saudi arabia alliance which would be really powerful
00:40:08.520
if yeah i love that element of it i i do yeah all right nice perk love you simone and and i i've
00:40:15.800
totally done a 180 on this and it largely came from the fan who is like i don't have you done a 180 i
00:40:20.760
mean we've always your interest in israel i mean we we like i think no but what i'm saying is we need a
00:40:28.440
faction in the right that's actively pushing being like look like we need to cut military funding to israel
00:40:37.080
now they won the war it's over now is the time to do it i know it's just i i feel like there's
00:40:42.520
this tendency for people and this is something that just culturally we don't do there are a lot of
00:40:48.440
people who are just like this group is good or this person is good or i love this person because this
00:40:53.400
person is just inherently valuable you know like i just love them because they exist or i love these
00:40:59.800
people because they exist and a lot of people view zionism as the jewish people have a right to
00:41:07.000
jerusalem in that is not by the way the way i view zionism well i know but let me let me explain
00:41:13.720
have a right to fight for a right to well that's no see that's the thing is is people confuse the two
00:41:19.640
so they think they think they they impose that view on everyone because they themselves hold it
00:41:24.840
these weird totalizing like definitional this person is good or this person deserves love
00:41:32.040
and we are extremely pragmatic and conditional and everything like i love you because or you know
00:41:40.440
these people deserve this place because they're the best ones to run it right now or you know we we
00:41:45.800
like judaism as a religion and a cultural set because we see that it produces really compelling outcomes
00:41:55.000
we like the fact that jewish contingents run israel because malcolm visited it and saw how well it
00:42:02.920
was going like but what i'm saying is is is the jews would lose their right to israel in jerusalem
00:42:09.160
if somebody defeated them if they lost the seven you are entitled to what they have a right to it i would
00:42:15.160
say the stronger force won you know yeah they they through political maneuvering and their own blood
00:42:22.360
they earned that right but it can be lost at any time yeah well and and and the us should be in our
00:42:31.160
view aligned with israel because the us benefits from that alignment it's not that we believe that
00:42:35.880
there's some inherent reason i just kind of like if we had a family member who was like severely
00:42:42.520
addicted to drugs and stealing from other family members like some people are like well that person deserves
00:42:47.560
to be taken care of no matter what no we cut them off and like that's a family tradition of
00:42:51.640
malcolm like even more ruthless than that like basically if you're not succeeding like well don't
00:42:55.720
come to me so i have a question for you on this yeah venezuela do you think we should intervene they've
00:43:02.840
got a lot of oil they've got a lot of rare earth minerals they we have political capital to intervene
00:43:08.120
because of the nobel prize what do you think i feel like there are things going on with venezuela
00:43:15.560
that we don't know about i i feel like they're already intervening in a way that doesn't require
00:43:21.960
full on the ground operations that's sort of where i am with that right now i think i mean trump keeps
00:43:27.240
saying like we've got plans i can't tell you about them well the fact that the nobel prize winner seemed so
00:43:34.600
indebted to trump leads me to believe that he's probably working with them pretty aggressively
00:43:40.840
maybe i i really don't know i'm just not enough i'm not informed enough about this but i also one
00:43:47.160
thing that i really do like about trump is he is also very mercenary and therefore pragmatic in his
00:43:56.360
i think view with alliances except for when he's being sort of flattered and aesthetically
00:44:02.120
which is a problem the person who we need to convince of this plan is jared kushner
00:44:07.560
if jared kushner gets on board with it we can get trump on board with it i mean i don't i don't
00:44:11.720
know i don't know if jared kushner is sufficiently mercenary but i i feel like at least with venezuela
00:44:17.000
trump if he's gonna do something it's because he thinks that there is a very distinct benefit
00:44:25.080
to the united states oh by the way another crazy thing that's happened recently have you seen the
00:44:28.520
riots in mexico recently yeah it's crazy right and they're calling for america intervention
00:44:34.360
like america military occupation of mexico called for by the younger generation um that's another
00:44:41.000
episode yeah well i've often pointed out if we did occupy mexico and integrated mexico into the united
00:44:47.400
states we could make the border mexico southern border which would be incredibly easy to defend it's an
00:44:54.040
incredibly small a harder to cross border and it would be so much easier to make it the 51st state
00:45:00.920
it's culturally very similar to us anyway in some ways in some ways it's very very distinct but yeah
00:45:11.240
that's a whole other episode anyway love you to decimum i love you too gorgeous bye
00:45:17.240
wait i'm on the wrong side oh i learned something that i just find quite interesting that has nothing
00:45:31.960
to do with stuff we normally cover in our podcasts but are you familiar with helium 3
00:45:37.080
no tell me about it this like i think it was someone who follows our podcast who shared with
00:45:47.320
this with me but like basically there's there's gold in them are hills it's just the the hills of the
00:45:55.160
moon and the gold is helium 3 and it's basically current nuclear power plants use fission of uranium as you
00:46:06.440
know but like obviously we prefer a future with nuclear fission but right now it's not really that
00:46:16.920
feasible apparently it both is really lossy in terms of energy and it also produces neutrons but fusion
00:46:23.720
using helium 3 it results in basically what's called anutronic reactions and it produces power without
00:46:31.960
neutrons minimal waste and virtually no radiation so kind of like perfect fusion but where are we going
00:46:40.040
to get the helium 3 because it's really really scarce on earth like only around 15 kilograms annually are
00:46:47.640
produced of of helium 3 on earth as a byproduct of nuclear weapons maintenance so it's not exactly like
00:46:56.520
abundant here but the moon's surface may have as much as 1.1 million metric tons of helium 3.
00:47:05.960
oh that'd be so cool a viable economic reason for a moon base there's gold in them more hills i'm
00:47:11.800
telling you can we it's up there get a moon base i want moon base alpha well so russia the u.s have
00:47:19.480
announced ambitious plans actually for for lunar mining like related to this because it's such a big
00:47:26.040
freaking deal like basically i i think 20 just 25 tons yeah 25 tons of helium 3 taken from a lunar mine that's
00:47:38.760
one space shell cargo so just one space one trip right could power the united states for a year
00:47:45.800
our whole our whole country and we're not exactly like the light on electricity country right like
00:47:51.480
we're we're kind of big energy hogs right so that's that's just how valuable it is but yeah going after
00:47:56.840
it or something no no actually he's said nothing about the moon so far as i've heard in russia and the
00:48:02.120
u.s have announced ambitious plans for lunar mining but they haven't materialized china is
00:48:08.680
actively pursuing lunar exploration everything was ai to be able to get more power i know that's the
00:48:14.920
thing so it looks like china has stages for its lunar exploration planned and they've completed early
00:48:25.320
stages already china's kind of they might be eating our lunch on ai but not not through the
00:48:31.880
means you would think but it's because they're going for the moon better than we are helium well
00:48:36.280
no i mean as soon as we start to get in ai is developing so quickly it will be able to develop
00:48:41.320
things like missions like this on its own oh so you think that we'll still get to the moon oh yeah sure
00:48:48.840
as long as we have smart ai and then we'll just okay so you think the bottleneck is an energy
00:48:53.880
initially it's more just yeah just getting ai to where it's going to be and we're like way ahead
00:48:58.120
of china on that and using it smartly yeah but yeah i don't know i kind of feel like we're sleeping
00:49:02.760
on the space race now and that elon musk is overly focused on mars and needs to get on the moon
00:49:08.120
that could be used for the moon yeah i mean yeah and it is also he's setting up supply chains and models
00:49:15.640
built around more sustainable forms of like space cargo mining and you know getting stuff so like
00:49:23.080
harvesting helium three i mean so the feasibility of harvesting and and and processing it remains to
00:49:30.520
be seen of course this is kind of theoretical at this point because no one's tried because you have
00:49:34.440
to heat the helium up i think to like negative 60 degrees celsius i can't remember the exact number but
00:49:39.880
like it's really really cold on the moon and you have to make it slightly less really really cold to get
00:49:45.480
it out and i don't know how they're going to do that i mean ai could figure it out to your point
00:49:49.560
right so it doesn't really matter if china is hanging out on the moon it doesn't matter if
00:49:52.840
they have a freaking moon base if they can't get it off the moon so fair point there like we have to
00:49:58.120
actually get there and be able to take it out and take it back but anyway i just thought i'd share that
00:50:04.360
with you and thanks to our amazing listeners who share weird stuff like this with us it's really good
00:50:09.960
all right look at this look at this what are you doing
00:50:17.320
this is my beef lo mein that my wife made look at this could you imagine if you had this every night
00:50:21.720
oh my god could you imagine it's so tender you guys have no idea