Based Camp - Why We Changed Our Mind On Israel (This Would Hand Trump His Third Term)

00:00:00.000 hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today i have been thinking a lot about this over

00:00:05.400 the past few days and one i changed my mind on a major issue which is the best path forward with

00:00:11.480 israel a lot of people know i have been pretty ardently zionist in the past and two are you a

00:00:18.960 zionist or are you a pragmatist i'm more of a pragmatist and i think that i'll explain where

00:00:25.120 i've changed my view on this and i i think that if this is correctly implemented and the reason i'm

00:00:33.000 going to lay this out in the podcast is i'm going to lay out every step in terms of doing this how

00:00:38.740 you would do it as a republican administration right now and like we'll explain how will it

00:00:44.040 basically destroy the modern democratic party if trump can execute on this the path forward to

00:00:50.860 own the libs cut off israel cut off israel yes so we're going to go over how you can do this how

00:00:58.540 you can do this in a way that is politically viable how you can do this in a way that maintains a strong

00:01:03.960 relationship with israel how you can do this in a way that strengthens our relationship not just with

00:01:09.620 israel but with the middle east more broadly how you can do this in a way that netanyahu has

00:01:16.280 basically baited already and i was unaware that netanyahu has kept saying this and so they wanted

00:01:23.700 anyway the only reason why we are not aggressively moving towards this right now is a pack who we need

00:01:31.900 to just railroad although i will go over that a pack has shown a willingness to bend on stuff like

00:01:38.460 this in the past if it's laid out to them logically and the the thing that sort of brought this up for

00:01:45.880 me so i'll go into where i started to go down this fast was twofold one was i was talking with a fan

00:01:53.600 in the discord and they're like you've always said that the right should not maintain any issue like

00:01:58.880 this is that's an overlap of of ideologies that we can't actually win elections with right or that's

00:02:05.300 really going to impact our chances of winning elections yeah 90 10 issues has been so smart

00:02:11.360 right like he's but we get so much in terms of jewish and a pack money it can be useful even in

00:02:18.140 terms of if it's not getting out the vote in terms of getting out the money which helps get out the vote

00:02:23.740 more but there's a few problems here one is money has been mattering less and less in terms of election

00:02:29.460 cycles historically and two is what happened recently which is recently one of the girls

00:02:36.340 from the red scare podcast are having nick fuentes not even their own beliefs but interviewing him on

00:02:41.060 their podcast got like actually canceled and i was under the position that cancellation was over like they

00:02:46.340 lost a major job contract they lost their agency but i was like no like this this is the type of thing

00:02:54.640 that when it happens to someone in the right the rest of the right needs to 100 get behind them

00:02:59.120 tucker carlson has done some iffy things but this is different this is like a more mainstream

00:03:04.940 like not like venezuelan dictator interviewing type this is more like and i think that was cool that he

00:03:10.240 did that whatever but i can understand where you can be like oh he's a more out there figure on the

00:03:13.860 right these days this is a more centrist figure on the right these days and two is ben shapiro

00:03:20.700 has been basically spiraling like lemon grab since this event unacceptable unacceptable unacceptable

00:03:33.100 and i'm just like the mainstream of the right like it's very obvious to me the mainstream of the

00:03:38.380 right is going to have to cut the ben shapiro faction completely off if we don't want a full-on

00:03:46.220 civil war would you agree with that by the way yeah if you're like well why the ben shapiro faction

00:03:53.220 and not the nick fuentes faction the reason is twofold one is you just have to be practical ben shapiro has

00:03:59.960 been dropping followers like flies recently like 20 000 unsubs every month he's been losing people for

00:04:06.940 the past well really since this blew up so it's obvious that he's losing in the public mind but not

00:04:13.720 just that it's also that he committed the cardinal sin of the modern right which is attempting to ban

00:04:21.880 people and make arguments based on pearl clutching rather than rational argument we cannot allow that

00:04:28.600 that needs to be an absolute if you do that you are out right that makes you a leftist that is the

00:04:34.440 argument that the leftists have been retreating to and if you normalize that style of argument then the

00:04:40.760 leftists automatically win because they always win in the game of you hurt my fifis and that's the game

00:04:48.040 that ben shapiro has been trying to play you said something that falls outside of what i consider and

00:04:53.480 what the dominant culture considers socially normal but the modern right is made up of people who oppose

00:04:59.560 the dominant culture that oppose the urban monoculture so of course we cannot allow the mean streaming of

00:05:04.520 that form of argumentation i ran a sentiment analysis on x and 70 to 75 of the tweets that have gone out

00:05:11.160 about ben shapiro recently have been extremely negative with only five to ten percent being positive

00:05:17.400 and the five to ten percent that are positive are pretty much exclusively from boomers and neocons which

00:05:25.880 are factions that are dying out if you do not want anti-semitic sentiment to grow we need to cut out the

00:05:31.800 type of sentiment that ben shapiro represents and so how do we navigate that without losing israel

00:05:39.720 which is very important in terms of being a highly economically productive highly technologically

00:05:45.560 productive nation that has a decent fertility rate in fact the only such country on earth that is

00:05:51.960 has a good reason to be allied with us going into the future right how do we do that with zip right

00:05:57.240 while keeping them on board basically completely cut them off and there is a way too that helps us in

00:06:03.880 a ton of other areas as well so to go forwards by the way the larger problem what are your thoughts on

00:06:09.080 it do you actually believe that we do sort of like things are sort of coming to a head where the american

00:06:14.200 right cannot maintain both of these ideologies it does yeah it seems like especially nick fuentes

00:06:21.720 is trending so much even in our comments i see it this this really weird well invention is so

00:06:29.720 coming off as the weenest bad guy in all this and that like we sort of need a mainstream play and that's

00:06:36.680 the reason why we're making this episode because a lot of policy makers watch our show or a number do

00:06:41.000 at least but i've spoken at the white house on this stuff and a lot of other influencers watch our show

00:06:46.760 and so if we can begin influencing a third way forwards and a way that has so many positive

00:06:52.840 externalities for the party let's do it right yeah because honestly the the arguments that i'm

00:06:58.520 mostly here against israel all get grouped in by some people into like oh this is you're trying to

00:07:06.520 exterminate jones but like some people just like hey why are we paying for this like some of the

00:07:11.480 arguments are very very very reasonable and israel needs to make it so these arguments are not

00:07:17.400 reasonable and yeah well i mean i think this is similar to your your ai argument where if you make

00:07:24.920 it such that one group cannot exist um period then you know the other group is obligated to

00:07:33.320 yeah what she's thinking is if you say i will kill any human who is better than me through like 0.91

00:07:37.720 augmentations or i will kill any ai that's better than me then eventually you mandate those systems 0.93

00:07:42.280 turning against you yeah and right now the way the arguments seem to be going is like well 0.96

00:07:48.840 you know if you question israel at all then you know you you are the enemy or if you support israel

00:07:56.120 at all then you are the enemy and and we need to de-escalate that to like

00:08:02.040 more boring i actually don't even think we need to de-escalate it i think we can do the throwing

00:08:06.680 the anchor off the boat in mid-flight to turn it around at full speed lower the starboard anchor

00:08:22.840 you know like they do we're really mixing the force here pirates of the caribbean buying boats

00:08:28.040 no what i mean is is is or the apollo 13 use our trajectory in one direction with gravitational pull

00:08:36.040 to slingshot us at an equal velocity in the opposite direction in a way that your opponents don't see

00:08:41.800 coming at all totally change course so we'll go over how this way just stunned submission yeah so

00:08:47.960 right now the us is putting about 3.8 billion this is like on an average year in terms of our

00:08:54.280 pre-existing agreements with a 10 year more random signed in 2016 with israel right i'm suggesting we cut

00:09:01.800 this off before the turning point and i'll explain why in just a second now if we put that 3.8 billion

00:09:06.600 in context it's really not that much with consider that that's like ethiopia is 1.8 billion a year

00:09:13.880 jordan is 1.7 billion a year so that's as much as we're giving ethiopia and jordan every year except

00:09:20.280 that money stays in ethiopia and jordan and with israel it's mostly coming back to us i think over 90

00:09:26.200 comes back to our military contractors who are going to be the biggest problem in doing this like

00:09:30.680 ethiopia and jordan are not long-term geopolitically relevant to us israel is long-term geopolitically

00:09:36.680 relevant to us so why why are we why are we like caring about this right like optically speaking

00:09:43.800 and that's what i'm going to be like okay so what actually happens and we're going to go into the

00:09:46.600 economics of cutting israel off or it's not just them what if you took like jordan egypt together

00:09:51.240 that's about the same amount a year what if you took yemen nigeria somalia and kenya together

00:09:56.040 that's about the same amount per year and again it's it's much worse in these countries because we're

00:09:59.800 wasting the money in these countries i.e it stays in those countries it's for development in israel

00:10:04.280 it mostly comes back to us let's cut it off but let's go forward here all right so the foreign 0.99

00:10:09.640 military financing fms under the 2016 to 2028 memorandum of understanding the mou which was a

00:10:17.720 binding treaty but not legally enforceable agreement between the governments so the president actually

00:10:22.920 has flexibility here aid is appropriated by congress each year so trump couldn't quote unquote

00:10:28.440 just cut it off although i do think it is smart to push it to congress and i'll explain why in a

00:10:31.800 second overnight without legislative buy-in but he could delay disimbursements attach new conditions

00:10:37.960 e.g tying it to quote-unquote american first procedures favoring u.s jobs or push for reductions

00:10:43.720 via budgetary proposals and he's already done stuff like this in other areas so how would trump frame this

00:10:51.800 in a way that doesn't just burn everything down well what's important to note is trump's unique

00:10:56.920 relationship with israel trump in his first term moved the embassy very controversially into

00:11:03.640 jerusalem which freaked everyone else in the left the f out but in israel that was announced while you

00:11:09.720 were in israel yeah they like had his picture projected on buildings around like jerusalem when

00:11:15.000 i was there it was very big it was a big deal it wasn't just like he he negotiated this written the the

00:11:21.640 the troop the the hostage release in israel where they regularly on the left and the right in israel

00:11:28.120 they super came together over this they like painted big memorials of him on beaches and stuff like

00:11:33.000 this it was seen as like an across the board broadly good thing where some leftists attack trump over

00:11:38.200 this but broadly everyone in israel thought this was a good idea then you had the helping israel in iran

00:11:44.680 right so if trump said hey let's cut this off and we're going to go to netanyahu and see that netanyahu

00:11:52.360 has actually suggested this broadly and the core reason trump hasn't gone along with it is because

00:11:57.400 of people who are basically more zionists than netanyahu in united states positions that we can get

00:12:03.400 around we'll get to that in a second cut off this funding entirely if he said we're going to cut this off

00:12:09.320 but he frames it as a graduation basically saying this is military aid when this military aid was

00:12:17.160 given to you you had three core opponents that were an existential threat to your state hamas hezbollah

00:12:24.680 and iran well we just helped you deal with iran we just you guys basically handled hezbollah on your

00:12:31.960 own they're at like 30 operational efficiency now and hamas isn't exactly an existential threat anymore

00:12:39.480 right so it only makes sense that we would pull back on these sorts of funding

00:12:46.360 but you don't do this right away there's other benefits we could get to this

00:12:50.200 before you do this deal you go to saudi arabia you go to saudi arabia and you say hey

00:12:57.400 what if we build this framing for you guys right you work towards re-normalizing with israel

00:13:04.680 but we can treat this as a saudi arabia victory america pulling out of funding israel military

00:13:11.800 and we will say we did it with you as the negotiator saudi arabia now this is going to look

00:13:17.640 great for saudi arabia in terms of regional power plays and saudi arabia can say look at what happens

00:13:23.480 when iran tries to move the us out of israel the us gets more entrenched look at when we try to do it we

00:13:30.440 actually get the us out of the region now what does this do politically in the united states

00:13:35.720 well the the left is completely effed completely effed because they've been trying to get the us

00:13:44.360 disentangled from israel for decades at this point and they haven't been able to if trump did an about

00:13:52.600 face on this one his base would be super into it like like his core core base would be super into it

00:14:00.920 oh yeah it would completely undermine the left in the next elections because he ended the gaza war 1.00

00:14:06.520 and ended military funding in israel right which would be very hard for leftists to go against at

00:14:13.000 that point right and this is becoming like a major issue for them right how do you even win how do you

00:14:18.280 how do you as like aoc go up and try to run against somebody like that or an administration

00:14:24.360 member like that right better it helps fold the the civil war that's happening right now right

00:14:31.720 which is to say amid doing this you could make a speech and i think vance would do a very good job

00:14:36.520 of handling this because he's very good with nuanced things that the right should not be about canceling

00:14:40.680 arm right like basically everyone knows who he's talking about on this issue so it can also be seen

00:14:46.840 as this is what happens if you try to build large cancellation campaigns on the right like we will

00:14:53.320 about face in a way that you potentially don't like because i can see israel will like this but

00:14:59.160 apac and people like whatever his name is ben shapiro will hate this right because it's basically

00:15:05.480 famed as a failure on their part right for doing these types of cancellation campaigns but it will prevent

00:15:11.720 the actual you know basically just anti-semitic for the state of anti-semitism from gaining any more

00:15:18.200 ground because now they either have to say in the same way that many leftists had to be like actually

00:15:23.880 it wasn't about the war it was just about the anti-semitism many people on the right are either

00:15:29.480 gonna have to take a stance which is either okay now i'm all in maga america first again or no i i still

00:15:37.080 really want to like attack jewish people right so it basically forces people's true colors in a way 1.00

00:15:43.480 that prevents anti-semitism from growing under the guise of we are really concerned about this money

00:15:51.240 we're sending to israel without getting anything quote unquote in return now i've argued that i do think

00:15:55.160 we get stuff in return but it prevents that argument from being used which is fundamentally long-term

00:16:02.120 beneficial to israel we'll get to that in a second before i go further here thoughts about

00:16:10.280 i find this very compelling keep going i mean i just the one thing i'm not so sure about is the

00:16:17.320 really heavy lobbying interests behind the companies the defense companies are primarily benefiting from

00:16:23.960 this it's going to be like boeing it's going to be like honeywell it's going to be like a bunch

00:16:29.000 of american contractors right they are going to have an absolute connection because they have been

00:16:33.080 the primary beneficiaries of our aid to israel not yeah because this is basically like a spending

00:16:38.280 program for american businesses where their products end up in israel yeah and they i feel like that's

00:16:45.880 might be more of a driver behind all this than anyone this is no but this is actually the beauty of this

00:16:53.160 right so trump can handle all of this in a way where i would believe that like trump has a strong

00:17:01.480 enough relationship with netanyahu's government that he can be like hey i need you to come out and

00:17:07.720 say like this is a really good idea we want to do this and i'm going to argue that all the signs point

00:17:13.720 to them being amenable to that if they do that right then if you as a congressman or senator come out

00:17:21.960 against this and recently democrats have been getting equal to more funding from the military

00:17:27.400 contractors and republicans right the only reason you would be coming out defending this is military

00:17:33.800 contractors right if you can get netanyahu on your side on this right and and i actually think this would

00:17:43.400 work really well in israel as well if netanyahu got on board with this and i'm going to explain the

00:17:48.920 project that i think we can pitch to israel that would get him on board with this even further than

00:17:53.720 he already is but basically it's trump's opportunity to call out the quote-unquote true deep state trump

00:17:59.080 doesn't care about military contractors but if he's out there being like anyone who opposes this

00:18:04.440 it's clearly doing it not for the sake of israel look at what netanyahu is saying but because of their

00:18:09.800 crony ties to aipac and the military contractors this looks good for nobody right uh it's a good way to

00:18:17.720 clear out opposition and democratic opposition and watch if because so many democrats just

00:18:23.560 reflexively oppose anything trump does watch if a large faction of democratic congressmen because i

00:18:30.280 think enough republicans would be like oh like we actually kind of need to get on board with this

00:18:35.480 especially if we can get netanyahu on board with this you know like you're you're otherwise simpy for

00:18:39.800 israel like ted cruz types well if the democrats and i promise you a large fraction of democrats

00:18:47.080 reflexively will end up saying no we cannot in these military contracts it makes the democratic party look

00:18:55.240 cooked to their base

00:19:00.280 that's a fair point

00:19:04.600 yeah okay yeah and i want to go into the netanyahu stuff before i pitch what i think we can do that would

00:19:11.640 make this look really good like long term all right and and like we're talking joaquin martin raytheon

00:19:16.840 like that's going to be the huge huge fighters on this right they're going to lose their minds over

00:19:21.240 this and we'll go into it but let's see what has netanyahu been saying on this okay here's a quote

00:19:26.360 from netanyahu we received close to four billion for arms i think we will need to wean ourselves

00:19:32.200 off american security aid just as we weaned ourselves off of america economic aid this is

00:19:37.240 a direct quote from netanyahu during the meeting referenced in multiple expos and it was in november 13th

00:19:43.160 2025 okay so this is very fresh yeah he's basically saying i'm up for this and note here the core

00:19:52.120 danger of not doing this under the left we weaned israel off of economic aid right if they do that for

00:20:00.680 military aid they're going to own that as a feather in their hat right if we do this as the right it 0.67

00:20:08.200 basically it's gonna happen if the left wins anyway right why don't we do this while maintaining

00:20:14.760 a strong relationship in the meantime right it's foolish of us to not take advantage of this

00:20:20.600 potential win given how much it will throw our opponents geopolitically i mean even i think in

00:20:27.480 europe who's been complaining about the united states israel relationship forever but also locally

00:20:32.520 right okay other quote here this is amit havali this is a a high level guy was a sort of netanyahu

00:20:39.640 ally guy he says quote biden or trump whitkoff or former secretary of state tony blinken

00:20:47.000 there is one clear conclusion for the past two years israel needs to be independent and not reliant

00:20:53.320 israel is already 77 years old it's time to be weaned this is an important statement by prime 1.00

00:20:59.240 minister netanyahu and this was in march 2025 so basically he's saying and this is on his u.s visit

00:21:06.280 right basically saying hey i support netanyahu in this so he's getting political support on this

00:21:11.400 if we go to other interviews we get netanyahu saying i don't know what they're talking about

00:21:17.480 my direction is in the exact opposite so basically this was when they were talking about netanyahu renewing

00:21:23.560 at the end of 2028 another 20-year agreement and netanyahu said i plan to do the exact opposite of

00:21:29.800 that so netanyahu plans to not renew the agreement but what would be an even louder political sign

00:21:35.240 is if we cut it off a few years before that because we don't want netanyahu handing this win to democrats

00:21:42.040 right yeah they end up winning in the next cycle like we we basically gain nothing from this another

00:21:48.200 quote from netanyahu now i want to make our arms industry independent totally as independent as

00:21:53.320 possible then we have netanyahu i think that it is time to ensure that israel is independent

00:22:00.360 then we have netanyahu we have a very strong economy a very strong arm industry and even though

00:22:05.880 we get what we get which we appreciate 80 of that is spent on the us and produces jobs in the us

00:22:12.840 i want an even more independent israeli defense industry basically he's saying do you not see

00:22:18.280 that in a way this hurts us to be so dependent on the united states why it does yeah right okay next

00:22:25.800 one and this one has been quoted in a few different ways israel does not ask others to fight for us

00:22:31.160 okay source close to netanyahu and this one we don't know who it was but it was confirmed in some

00:22:36.680 reporting we passed on civilian aid in 1996 and might pass on military aid in 2026 israel and

00:22:44.120 america are partners an alliance like no other fighting on the front lines of civilization so

00:22:48.440 note here he's saying let it pass in 2026 what i'm saying is no no no no no no no if that's the

00:22:54.200 direction you're planning to go anyways handle it in this administration administration it puts you in

00:23:00.680 a much stronger position and you have the political protection because who is really going to

00:23:05.960 complain if it's coming from trump given all the other things he's already done for israel exactly

00:23:12.120 yeah and then in another unconfirmed the per like insider this is out of the box thinking we want to

00:23:18.760 change the way in which we handle past agreements and put more emphasis on u.s israeli cooperation

00:23:23.240 cooperation the americans like this idea so how do you do this in a way that benefits the united states

00:23:29.720 even further so i've always said that israel's core advantage is the jews a lot of the leading

00:23:35.800 ai people even in the united states are of jewish ancestry right so we want to align their interests

00:23:40.920 with ours if we look at the future of warfare even currently israel has been investing a lot

00:23:47.080 in ai-based projects right now a lot of their existing ai-based projects are very distributive

00:23:53.880 in terms of how they are implemented well what if you say when you announce all of this you say hey

00:24:00.360 we want to do a joint effort in one of the most important areas of military technology going

00:24:08.120 forward which is ai now one of the things to note was past joint efforts with israel as i noted in

00:24:13.480 the past israel video is israel has sometimes sold technology from these joint efforts when they are

00:24:19.640 being done within israel this wasn't ones that were being developed in the united states but when they

00:24:23.880 were developed within israel they later sold them to china and i think in both instances yeah which you

00:24:29.000 know not something we feel great about yeah so basically but why were they able to do this they

00:24:33.960 were able to do this after the projects were discontinued and they basically had all of the

00:24:38.680 tech that they had been working on in a u.s co-venture in israel right okay but ai is different than

00:24:45.960 something like developing a plane or something like that you need giant stable data centers exactly

00:24:52.120 the type of thing that would be a very juicy target to the type of people who would want to bomb

00:24:57.720 you right second they need to be cooled right not easy to do in israel right because israel's a hot place

00:25:08.280 huh what's a location that is probably the single most defensible place on earth where you have cheap

00:25:16.920 energy and lots of cooling resources oh the united states right so if israel wanted to move to a

00:25:27.240 partnership relationship with united states and they want to develop super advanced ai and they wanted

00:25:35.080 to show that they are moving into a more equal partners position with the united states what we should do

00:25:42.280 is a totally joint ai mega project i love it now why is it needing to be totally joint because that way

00:25:53.160 it doesn't get sunset like one of these past plane projects and then sold to china if it is israel's

00:25:59.640 core mega data center right for ai development and if it is a core development center for us military ai

00:26:08.920 development it doesn't benefit israel to leak the technology it would in fact be completely foolish for

00:26:17.000 israel to leak the technology second it very logically you know you're basically saying hey

00:26:24.520 why would you develop a mega data center in israel when it can just be bombed right like there is a 0.91

00:26:29.640 logical reason for them to put it in the united states but now they have a further vested interest

00:26:33.880 in our continued relationship with israel in our defense and in actually making this a really good

00:26:41.640 project and it looks like a joint project where we can say we won't invest a dime going to israel

00:26:48.360 because all of this development money is going to the united states and israel needs to develop an ai

00:26:53.160 mega project anyway so why does it matter now we might still have quote-unquote aid but it's going

00:27:00.360 directly to the united states do not pass go do not collect 200 not going to israel to the united states

00:27:08.520 and it's going directly to american contractors within the united states developing a project that

00:27:12.920 is directly for american use it's just that the israeli government is doing it as a joint project

00:27:18.520 so it benefits us across the board while actually solidifying our longitudinal alliance much more

00:27:27.080 than military aid for american government contractors does and this could be used to lower

00:27:33.640 i think initially the fears that the government contractors have which is you go to boeing

00:27:38.360 you go to raytheon you go hey ai is the future anyway yeah right we promise you a certain amount of

00:27:45.800 contractor deals in the new ai mega project for the military and so you're just transitioning the

00:27:53.160 money that used to go to israel to this we'll cut them off eventually but you know for the first year

00:27:58.680 to have them not do a bunch of lobbying we can handle this right well this is not going just to like

00:28:03.320 like fuel weapons and instead develop bombs right like

00:28:12.280 okay so before i go further on the economics of how israel can pull this off without american aid

00:28:17.720 because i'm gonna go over basically we learned in the last military theater that they don't actually

00:28:22.040 need this aid as much as they thought they did um so basically we're was a lot of this to go to get

00:28:28.280 weapons that just aren't gonna get used now because they're not yeah relevant with how

00:28:32.360 modern warfare works oh hate wasted money yeah it's going to pay for big fancy american tanks and planes

00:28:39.480 that nobody really needs anymore yeah your thoughts before i go further simone i just i just want this

00:28:46.440 done now sounds good to me you just want this implemented well the other joint project we could go into

00:28:53.240 israel is bringing them in on project replicator but it would have to be a completely joint project

00:28:57.160 if they were doing that no it being developed in israel so if they want if they want to have basically

00:29:04.760 israeli military officials or israeli military scientists those people are living and working

00:29:11.160 in the united states facility yeah i could see that one that would work better that way and and again we

00:29:17.720 have a go away you guys have habitually leaked stuff when we've developed it in israel in the past

00:29:22.760 it's stupid to develop it in israel and it's not even in your own best interest 0.86

00:29:28.360 yeah all right continuing here okay so what can we cut first we can cut the navy corvettes the 0.97

00:29:34.760 tsar ships so these are a partial northrop developed ship okay and you could easily cut 50 moss ball

00:29:43.240 two to three corvettes right now they're costing around 800 million a year and there have been no recent

00:29:49.000 naval battles that they would be relevant with they are really only relevant in gaza gaza blockade

00:29:55.240 but the gaza gaza blockade could be done much better with drone ships than this particularly

00:30:01.000 relevant submarines why the heck do you need submarines except for iran intel that's really

00:30:06.360 it is iranian nuke deterrent which we can help with anyway so you could cut this 60 easily it's around 400

00:30:13.960 million a year and there has been no sub warfare in a long time anyway air-based defense this is the

00:30:21.480 iron dome arrow so they do about 10 000 intercepts and this seems like one of the more active thing

00:30:28.680 i mean very very expensive but also quite active yeah but also because they've taken down hezbollah

00:30:35.000 and hamas significantly it is something that could potentially be cut back another one that could be cut

00:30:41.240 back is the reserve slash special forces the they're well this is medium deployment well we'll say

00:30:49.640 maybe and the cyber intel is obviously incredibly useful yeah if you made those potential cutbacks

00:30:55.480 you could get around three to four billion a year and i also think that and specifically here i think tanks

00:31:03.000 is what i would focus on cutting back the most we've seen in more recent warfare types that tanks are

00:31:08.200 more less relevant than they have been historically and things embarrassing if any the only stories you

00:31:14.680 hear about tanks now well no they have been useful against hamas simply because hamas is so primitive

00:31:21.480 that tanks are still useful against their forces that said if you have autonomous drones why are you

00:31:28.120 using tanks at all i would actually move entirely to moss ball the tank program like like literally tank

00:31:35.160 tanks off the battlefield entirely and you could say why not keep like a small amount it's because of

00:31:39.960 the cost savings of not having to have any variable parts for these is just so giant if you completely

00:31:47.320 moss ball that and replace that with ai drones which i think are going to be much more effective

00:31:53.000 especially at urban combat i think you're just going to get much better functionality in in future combat

00:31:59.000 scenarios the air force is much harder i also think the navy can be significantly moss balled with drone

00:32:07.400 ships and drone programs so just move to an entire drone based navy program and then in terms of the the 0.64

00:32:14.920 aircraft just you got to keep it it's it's too useful for bombing campaigns and stuff like that

00:32:21.640 unfortunately also the the navy branch is just not that active so that's that's also easy there now

00:32:29.080 in terms of apac apac is going to be one of the hardest things to deal with because they're just

00:32:36.120 zealots but we were able to cut back u.s economic aid to israel in spite of apac i think we can cut back

00:32:43.400 here the other thing that really defangs apac is if this come from trump

00:32:47.800 so thoughts simone we move forward with this what do you think happens

00:32:58.600 i think it better aligns incentives and i think when people

00:33:04.440 misinterpret concepts around zionism or support for israel or opposition for israel they're not

00:33:11.240 looking enough at incentives and underlying streams or pathways to human flourishing

00:33:17.640 your human suffering and what i like about your formulation here and and your proposal is that

00:33:25.000 it is designed to optimize around future human flourishing and benevolently aligned incentives

00:33:33.560 in a way that the current status quo which we still have supported historically over other alternatives

00:33:40.200 does like that what we've said in the past is listen it makes sense for the u.s to be allied with israel

00:33:48.680 it makes sense for us to have a friend in that well you know our best interest and people have pointed out

00:33:52.600 they're like well there's jews in israel that like spit on christians and i'm like there's christians in 0.99

00:33:56.280 the u.s that spit on jews like i don't understand like like you've seen the things that like well and that's it but it

00:34:02.040 it also doesn't matter what matters is overall what these countries and their interests are and yeah i

00:34:09.400 mean what what we need are allies who support our right to you know right i think there's a misunderstanding

00:34:20.440 where they think that there's like again israel is other than the united states and the jewish people

00:34:25.400 are other than you know like protestant populations right like they are a different group with different

00:34:31.240 interests and i think that you can recognize that this group might favor their own interests over

00:34:37.160 ours and so the goal is to align those interests in a way where they can't easily favor their interests

00:34:42.120 over no no no no no the better way to put it is you want to create it create systems such that

00:34:49.480 their best interests are best served in a way that also serves our best interests yeah that's that's

00:34:54.760 what i meant everyone acting maximally selfishly acts in a way that benefits each other exactly

00:35:01.720 now it's not set up that way point out here that there is like people will be like oh there are jews

00:35:07.240 who dislike you know goyms or whatever or even even america more broadly right or christians and my

00:35:15.720 answer is yeah and there's a lot of christians who hate jews right like if we allow potential alliances

00:35:21.400 to be leveled by the iterations of each faction that hate the other one you wouldn't have any ally

00:35:28.280 on earth right like there's good there's factions within every group that hate every other group 0.85

00:35:33.400 it seems so stupid to just hate a group like what you need to look at is okay what do you want and how

00:35:39.800 are you going to get it and you know what groups are like people on the discord being like oh like 0.99

00:35:47.400 israel is destroying like a thousand year old churches and i was like where on earth is that 0.89

00:35:51.000 happening and they're like in gaza and i'm like you you understand that the christian population in

00:35:55.000 gaza was genocided right like they used to have a decent christian population and i was less than one 0.53

00:35:59.960 percent of the population for context when palestine was created christians made up this was in 1922

00:36:05.800 9.5 percent of the population now they're well under one percent and the this is a bit like saying

00:36:14.920 like the us was anti-semitic because we bombed you know at an ancient temple in dresden when we were

00:36:21.080 firebombing it during world war ii like obviously interests are aligned here like they would it matters

00:36:27.640 much more the actual humans who are being genocided in a region not that you know israel can prevent 0.99

00:36:33.480 that without a total occupation of the region but i'm just saying that like if you're talking

00:36:38.040 about are christians being genocided in israel absolutely not are christians being genocided in

00:36:44.600 many muslim majority areas around the world today yes they are so it's it's worth like being aware of

00:36:52.440 the scope of the conflict and that the conflict i think going forward and as i've said going forward

00:36:57.400 in a world of demographic collapse we alliances are going to matter much less between countries

00:37:03.000 and much more between cultural groups i.e jews protestants catholics protestants various muslim

00:37:10.360 groups etc right like and within a country your alliance is going to be much more towards your

00:37:16.600 broader cultural group than it's going to be towards your individual country and i think that the this is

00:37:23.640 broadly already true across most of europe it's just that like the muslims realize it and the native 1.00

00:37:30.440 europeans don't yet but for that reason a lot of those countries are going to fall like it's just

00:37:35.720 inevitable they're going to fall at current demographic rates and so when we think about

00:37:39.640 like the future aligned power factions there's a lot of the regions that we we think we can a lot like

00:37:47.880 also i don't even think that europe is really on our side anymore you know they've gone so well

00:37:52.840 it hasn't felt like that since 2016 yeah i i see them like when i look at the core nexuses of power

00:38:01.640 that oppose u.s interests like geopolitically i'm typically like it's the the woke europe monoculture

00:38:10.120 it's the chinese alliance it's the sort of two muslim fact well one muslim faction largely which is the iran

00:38:19.640 nexus maybe saudi arabia but they're more our allies ish they're like in the issue zone more

00:38:27.320 directly opposed to us in the saudi arabian faction is the vatican faction they are always criticizing us

00:38:33.160 and the the socialist countries that fall under their control always are you know thinking the

00:38:37.800 things about us and then in terms of like the nexus that that like is more reliable i think is like

00:38:45.000 like when i'm looking it is united states israel maybe the uk if they can be reclaimed but that

00:38:52.280 seems unlikely maybe australia if it can be reclaimed but that's likely unlike unlikely maybe

00:38:58.440 new zealand but that's also unlikely so like the only reliable player we have on the table is israel

00:39:03.880 which is one of the reasons i'm like it makes sense to invest in them but it doesn't make sense to

00:39:08.040 invest in them in a way that could cause us long-term reputation or even electoral damage if they plan to

00:39:12.840 pull out in 2026 anyway right so any fans of this if you're in there i know we have fans related to

00:39:21.480 the israeli government try to get this idea up to like netanyahu's administration get him to mention it

00:39:27.720 to trump or somebody like that or within the trump administration i want to see this idea broadcast more

00:39:33.240 because i think it would destroy the left in this country while building a much stronger more

00:39:39.880 realistically permanent alliance between the united states and israel and also fix part of the

00:39:45.960 problem we have growing within the right and completely throw cold water on growing anti-semitism

00:39:51.400 among the right in the united states plus boost investment in ai which is the ultimate arms race

00:39:57.080 we should be focused on right now not exactly foreign conflicts that honestly don't matter that much

00:40:04.600 also potentially strengthen our relationship with the saudi arabia alliance which would be really powerful

00:40:08.520 if yeah i love that element of it i i do yeah all right nice perk love you simone and and i i've

00:40:15.800 totally done a 180 on this and it largely came from the fan who is like i don't have you done a 180 i

00:40:20.760 mean we've always your interest in israel i mean we we like i think no but what i'm saying is we need a

00:40:28.440 faction in the right that's actively pushing being like look like we need to cut military funding to israel

00:40:37.080 now they won the war it's over now is the time to do it i know it's just i i feel like there's

00:40:42.520 this tendency for people and this is something that just culturally we don't do there are a lot of

00:40:48.440 people who are just like this group is good or this person is good or i love this person because this

00:40:53.400 person is just inherently valuable you know like i just love them because they exist or i love these

00:40:59.800 people because they exist and a lot of people view zionism as the jewish people have a right to

00:41:07.000 jerusalem in that is not by the way the way i view zionism well i know but let me let me explain

00:41:13.720 have a right to fight for a right to well that's no see that's the thing is is people confuse the two

00:41:19.640 so they think they think they they impose that view on everyone because they themselves hold it

00:41:24.840 these weird totalizing like definitional this person is good or this person deserves love

00:41:32.040 and we are extremely pragmatic and conditional and everything like i love you because or you know

00:41:40.440 these people deserve this place because they're the best ones to run it right now or you know we we

00:41:45.800 like judaism as a religion and a cultural set because we see that it produces really compelling outcomes

00:41:55.000 we like the fact that jewish contingents run israel because malcolm visited it and saw how well it

00:42:02.920 was going like but what i'm saying is is is the jews would lose their right to israel in jerusalem

00:42:09.160 if somebody defeated them if they lost the seven you are entitled to what they have a right to it i would

00:42:15.160 say the stronger force won you know yeah they they through political maneuvering and their own blood

00:42:22.360 they earned that right but it can be lost at any time yeah well and and and the us should be in our

00:42:31.160 view aligned with israel because the us benefits from that alignment it's not that we believe that

00:42:35.880 there's some inherent reason i just kind of like if we had a family member who was like severely

00:42:42.520 addicted to drugs and stealing from other family members like some people are like well that person deserves

00:42:47.560 to be taken care of no matter what no we cut them off and like that's a family tradition of

00:42:51.640 malcolm like even more ruthless than that like basically if you're not succeeding like well don't

00:42:55.720 come to me so i have a question for you on this yeah venezuela do you think we should intervene they've

00:43:02.840 got a lot of oil they've got a lot of rare earth minerals they we have political capital to intervene

00:43:08.120 because of the nobel prize what do you think i feel like there are things going on with venezuela

00:43:15.560 that we don't know about i i feel like they're already intervening in a way that doesn't require

00:43:21.960 full on the ground operations that's sort of where i am with that right now i think i mean trump keeps

00:43:27.240 saying like we've got plans i can't tell you about them well the fact that the nobel prize winner seemed so

00:43:34.600 indebted to trump leads me to believe that he's probably working with them pretty aggressively

00:43:40.840 maybe i i really don't know i'm just not enough i'm not informed enough about this but i also one

00:43:47.160 thing that i really do like about trump is he is also very mercenary and therefore pragmatic in his

00:43:56.360 i think view with alliances except for when he's being sort of flattered and aesthetically

00:44:02.120 which is a problem the person who we need to convince of this plan is jared kushner

00:44:07.560 if jared kushner gets on board with it we can get trump on board with it i mean i don't i don't

00:44:11.720 know i don't know if jared kushner is sufficiently mercenary but i i feel like at least with venezuela

00:44:17.000 trump if he's gonna do something it's because he thinks that there is a very distinct benefit

00:44:25.080 to the united states oh by the way another crazy thing that's happened recently have you seen the

00:44:28.520 riots in mexico recently yeah it's crazy right and they're calling for america intervention

00:44:34.360 like america military occupation of mexico called for by the younger generation um that's another

00:44:41.000 episode yeah well i've often pointed out if we did occupy mexico and integrated mexico into the united

00:44:47.400 states we could make the border mexico southern border which would be incredibly easy to defend it's an

00:44:54.040 incredibly small a harder to cross border and it would be so much easier to make it the 51st state

00:45:00.920 it's culturally very similar to us anyway in some ways in some ways it's very very distinct but yeah

00:45:11.240 that's a whole other episode anyway love you to decimum i love you too gorgeous bye

00:45:17.240 wait i'm on the wrong side oh i learned something that i just find quite interesting that has nothing

00:45:31.960 to do with stuff we normally cover in our podcasts but are you familiar with helium 3

00:45:37.080 no tell me about it this like i think it was someone who follows our podcast who shared with

00:45:47.320 this with me but like basically there's there's gold in them are hills it's just the the hills of the

00:45:55.160 moon and the gold is helium 3 and it's basically current nuclear power plants use fission of uranium as you

00:46:06.440 know but like obviously we prefer a future with nuclear fission but right now it's not really that

00:46:16.920 feasible apparently it both is really lossy in terms of energy and it also produces neutrons but fusion

00:46:23.720 using helium 3 it results in basically what's called anutronic reactions and it produces power without

00:46:31.960 neutrons minimal waste and virtually no radiation so kind of like perfect fusion but where are we going

00:46:40.040 to get the helium 3 because it's really really scarce on earth like only around 15 kilograms annually are

00:46:47.640 produced of of helium 3 on earth as a byproduct of nuclear weapons maintenance so it's not exactly like

00:46:56.520 abundant here but the moon's surface may have as much as 1.1 million metric tons of helium 3.

00:47:05.960 oh that'd be so cool a viable economic reason for a moon base there's gold in them more hills i'm

00:47:11.800 telling you can we it's up there get a moon base i want moon base alpha well so russia the u.s have

00:47:19.480 announced ambitious plans actually for for lunar mining like related to this because it's such a big

00:47:26.040 freaking deal like basically i i think 20 just 25 tons yeah 25 tons of helium 3 taken from a lunar mine that's

00:47:38.760 one space shell cargo so just one space one trip right could power the united states for a year

00:47:45.800 our whole our whole country and we're not exactly like the light on electricity country right like

00:47:51.480 we're we're kind of big energy hogs right so that's that's just how valuable it is but yeah going after

00:47:56.840 it or something no no actually he's said nothing about the moon so far as i've heard in russia and the

00:48:02.120 u.s have announced ambitious plans for lunar mining but they haven't materialized china is

00:48:08.680 actively pursuing lunar exploration everything was ai to be able to get more power i know that's the

00:48:14.920 thing so it looks like china has stages for its lunar exploration planned and they've completed early

00:48:25.320 stages already china's kind of they might be eating our lunch on ai but not not through the

00:48:31.880 means you would think but it's because they're going for the moon better than we are helium well

00:48:36.280 no i mean as soon as we start to get in ai is developing so quickly it will be able to develop

00:48:41.320 things like missions like this on its own oh so you think that we'll still get to the moon oh yeah sure

00:48:48.840 as long as we have smart ai and then we'll just okay so you think the bottleneck is an energy

00:48:53.880 initially it's more just yeah just getting ai to where it's going to be and we're like way ahead

00:48:58.120 of china on that and using it smartly yeah but yeah i don't know i kind of feel like we're sleeping

00:49:02.760 on the space race now and that elon musk is overly focused on mars and needs to get on the moon

00:49:08.120 that could be used for the moon yeah i mean yeah and it is also he's setting up supply chains and models

00:49:15.640 built around more sustainable forms of like space cargo mining and you know getting stuff so like

00:49:23.080 harvesting helium three i mean so the feasibility of harvesting and and and processing it remains to

00:49:30.520 be seen of course this is kind of theoretical at this point because no one's tried because you have

00:49:34.440 to heat the helium up i think to like negative 60 degrees celsius i can't remember the exact number but

00:49:39.880 like it's really really cold on the moon and you have to make it slightly less really really cold to get

00:49:45.480 it out and i don't know how they're going to do that i mean ai could figure it out to your point

00:49:49.560 right so it doesn't really matter if china is hanging out on the moon it doesn't matter if 0.98

00:49:52.840 they have a freaking moon base if they can't get it off the moon so fair point there like we have to

00:49:58.120 actually get there and be able to take it out and take it back but anyway i just thought i'd share that

00:50:04.360 with you and thanks to our amazing listeners who share weird stuff like this with us it's really good

00:50:09.960 all right look at this look at this what are you doing

00:50:17.320 this is my beef lo mein that my wife made look at this could you imagine if you had this every night

00:50:21.720 oh my god could you imagine it's so tender you guys have no idea

00:50:25.640 yeah

00:50:45.320 that's not a cookie i can get that

00:50:47.400 i want to see what the picture looks like

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Based Camp - November 18, 2025

Why We Changed Our Mind On Israel (This Would Hand Trump His Third Term)

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