Based Camp - Why Wealthy Kids are the Most Depressed

00:00:00.000 demographic of young people who had the highest rates of depression, anxiety, and substance abuse

00:00:05.500 were in families of over $120,000 of average income, which is upper middle income. In one

00:00:12.360 cohort, suburban affluent teens reported significantly higher use of cigarettes,

00:00:16.680 alcohol, marijuana, and hard drugs than their inner city counterparts.

00:00:21.680 So the suburban teens are doing more hard drugs than the inner city teens.

00:00:26.880 Would you like to know more?

00:00:28.320 Hello, Simone! Today we're doing another research-heavy episode because our audience loves these.

00:00:35.440 I love counterintuitive research, and I love on the urban monoculture and the tragedy it has created in this society.

00:00:45.340 Well, there's just something that there shouldn't fraud from specifically luxuriating in the misery of people

00:00:52.580 whose core value is not misery and who fails so badly at it while also dumping on us constantly is just amazing.

00:01:01.240 They sacrifice everything else, every other value that a human could have.

00:01:06.300 In the name of happiness, and then they're miserable.

00:01:09.000 Well, not happiness, but being able to seek after every biological instinct they have.

00:01:16.120 Anything that they think will make them happy, they go pursue it.

00:01:19.440 Anything that would make them happy to believe about themselves, they have to have it affirmed.

00:01:23.980 And they say we're monsters for not creating that cultural structure for our own children.

00:01:28.640 And they say, how dare you live the life you want to live?

00:01:31.180 And then we look at them, and they live a life of horror.

00:01:37.400 Even when they're successful, even when they achieve everything they want, it's still a life of existential horror.

00:01:44.980 And that makes me so – I would be so hard to live in a world where the people who are unjustly oppressing you are living great lives.

00:01:54.960 Yeah.

00:01:55.620 Like, I don't know if, like, God worked this out for us or whatever, but yeah.

00:02:01.520 So this is something I decided to dig into after I noticed in a study when we were, like, looking for other causes of fertility collapse, blah, blah, blah.

00:02:08.380 And I noticed in one study that it showed that the demographic of young people who had the highest rates of depression, anxiety, and substance abuse were in families of over $120,000 of average income, which is upper middle income.

00:02:20.580 Right, and you see this with spoonies, too.

00:02:22.540 Like, you're going to be hard-pressed to find a spoonie, which, in other words, is a, like, hypochondriac internet denizen, like the modern version of a hypochondriac.

00:02:31.780 They are pretty much upper middle class young women, again. 0.99

00:02:36.540 Yeah.

00:02:37.140 Yeah.

00:02:37.360 So, we're going to go over a few studies on this and then discuss hypotheses around what could be causing this, okay?

00:02:43.640 Let's do it.

00:02:45.020 The first study here is called Children of the Affluent, Challenges to Well-Being, and this came out in 2005.

00:02:54.280 So affluent youth showed higher rates of substance use, anxiety, and depression when compared to their inner city counterparts and national norms.

00:03:03.180 By seventh grade, some affluent students exhibited clinically significant depressive symptoms and substance abuse behavior.

00:03:10.740 This was particularly pronounced in affluent girls, where these symptoms were twice as high as in normative samples.

00:03:17.240 So, literally 200% higher in the affluent cohort.

00:03:21.300 And, you know, of course, these are people with parents who assumed that because they had more money, their children would be better off.

00:03:30.740 And so many parents or would-be parents don't have money or put off having kids because they think, I need more money before I have kids.

00:03:39.140 Meanwhile, in one cohort, suburban affluent teens reported significantly higher use of cigarettes, alcohol, marijuana, and hard drugs than their inner city counterparts.

00:03:50.100 So, the suburban teens are doing more hard drugs than the inner city teens.

00:03:56.720 I went to, on the island where I grew up, outside San Francisco, Alameda, there was the rich side high school and there was the less rich side high school.

00:04:06.420 And the joke was that we always, we sold the drugs.

00:04:10.160 Ensign Hill High School sold the drugs to Alameda High School.

00:04:13.460 It's funny you mention that.

00:04:15.140 I'll continue.

00:04:15.500 I went to boarding school.

00:04:19.800 Long story, I'd been basically kicked out of my family.

00:04:22.700 I hadn't lived with my family after the age of 13.

00:04:25.380 I lived off of an education trust when my ancestors set up at boarding school.

00:04:30.320 And at boarding school, so I wasn't like living there because I had everything.

00:04:35.900 I was living there because I had nowhere else to go.

00:04:37.900 And I didn't go home over the summers either, really.

00:04:40.060 So, it wasn't one of the best boarding schools.

00:04:43.340 Okay.

00:04:43.620 Enough throat clearing.

00:04:44.700 Get to this story.

00:04:46.980 But it was known.

00:04:48.480 Like, I remember that at one point I was going to be sleeping with like an Andover girl.

00:04:52.980 And like my roommate, in the same way when like you, so people who might not know, Andover is like the best.

00:04:59.440 It's like the Princeton of boarding schools.

00:05:00.900 Okay.

00:05:01.700 In the same way that you had some of your friends when you were moving to Texas and they were like, watch out.

00:05:08.120 Like, you're going to get shot if you move to Texas.

00:05:10.500 Like, they have guns there.

00:05:11.700 Like, they were like genuinely afraid for you.

00:05:13.740 And he was like, you know, make sure she doesn't offer you hard drugs.

00:05:18.040 Like, like genuinely concerned for me.

00:05:20.320 You know, and this is somebody who even like did drugs.

00:05:22.900 But like, you know, Andover.

00:05:24.540 Andover's a different thing.

00:05:25.580 Into the hardship.

00:05:26.360 Like heroin and cocaine and like, you know, she's like, you should probably get her tested if you're going to sleep with her. 1.00

00:05:33.540 You know, like, you're imagining them like sharing needles and stuff.

00:05:37.040 And like, this is.

00:05:37.800 Well, but I thought there was something to it.

00:05:40.200 Like that the kids at my high school.

00:05:42.000 Yeah.

00:05:42.100 We're actually known for selling the drugs, but not really necessarily for doing them.

00:05:46.220 And that the kids from the wealthier high school who are known for buying them maybe had more problems in many ways.

00:05:51.640 And I feel like a lot of tropes and jokes, you know, they're funny because they are surprising, but they make sense.

00:05:57.920 And there's something to that.

00:05:59.440 I think that's part of this dynamic here of wealthier kids also kind of having the money and the leisure and the ennui necessary for drug use.

00:06:07.300 Oh, they're so ennui.

00:06:08.720 They're so ennui.

00:06:09.660 I always call it the, what was the woman from Great Gatsby's name? 0.99

00:06:13.660 Daisy.

00:06:14.760 Daisy.

00:06:15.300 The Daisy effect.

00:06:16.260 And I dated some girls like this because my mom wanted me to marry an heiress, right? 0.99

00:06:20.360 And she's like, marry an heiress, marry an heiress, marry an heiress.

00:06:22.760 She goes, the easiest way to get rich is to marry rich. 0.99

00:06:25.100 It'll be the easiest money you've made in your entire life.

00:06:27.140 She's right.

00:06:27.920 She's right.

00:06:28.560 Yeah.

00:06:29.540 I tried it.

00:06:30.680 Their level of ennui was too much for me.

00:06:33.060 When they didn't come from, you know, my cultural group, but my cultural group is small.

00:06:36.540 And, you know, there weren't many.

00:06:37.740 What I'm saying here is my nieces and nephews grew up very wealthy.

00:06:42.600 I've seen this.

00:06:43.620 They do not have this ennui.

00:06:45.820 Yeah.

00:06:46.180 Isn't that interesting?

00:06:47.180 But it is that they have not fallen to the urban monoculture.

00:06:50.620 And as such, you know, they still have a level of cultural expectation and hardship in their life

00:06:56.120 that keeps them very virile in a way that the, these other girls who I dated, who came 0.93

00:07:01.880 from these groups, it didn't have as much resistance.

00:07:04.940 You mean vitalistic.

00:07:07.680 Vitalistic, virile, whatever you want to call it.

00:07:09.480 I mean, they have a lot of like human life energy to them in a way that I just didn't

00:07:15.040 see in the young rich girls who I tried dating, which was always a problem for me. 0.55

00:07:19.360 So, you know, it's too bad.

00:07:21.380 And I actually think you point out something really clear.

00:07:23.380 If you talk about like hard drug use, when I think about like the scenes that I was aware

00:07:26.640 of as a teen, you really only saw it in the ultra affluent group and in the ultra poor

00:07:32.400 group who were like upper, lower class, lower, middle class, middle and middle class didn't

00:07:40.160 really touch the stuff.

00:07:41.700 And I think it was because they had seen members of their family fall to like the lower class

00:07:46.740 status.

00:07:47.460 And or they just didn't have the excess cash for it.

00:07:50.080 You do need to have cash.

00:07:51.660 If you're going to get, if you're going to buy these things as a kid, you have cash and

00:07:56.720 you have time.

00:07:57.320 And the thing is like, you know, the, the, the kids who worked to get their money didn't

00:08:02.980 have time necessarily to just sort of like blitz out and the, yeah, the kids who couldn't

00:08:13.080 even get jobs didn't have money to buy anything.

00:08:15.540 So what are you going to do?

00:08:16.800 Okay.

00:08:17.160 So let's continue here.

00:08:18.620 Yeah.

00:08:18.920 So bourbon girls were three times more likely to report clinically significant levels of

00:08:25.440 depression than the normative sample.

00:08:28.000 Yeah.

00:08:28.920 Check times more likely.

00:08:30.640 Okay.

00:08:31.260 About 20% of affluent use showed persistently high substance use throughout high school,

00:08:36.880 along with depression and anxiety and academic problems.

00:08:39.880 And for this study, the first one we're looking at here, the reasons that were cited were academic

00:08:44.580 pressures.

00:08:45.420 Children with high perfectionist strivings and those who felt their parents overemphasized

00:08:49.560 achievements showed higher rates of depression, anxiety, and substance use.

00:08:52.740 And I don't believe that one effing second.

00:08:56.600 I believe that's what they told researchers.

00:08:58.900 But if you think that people from other demographic groups are not pushed hard, I was pushed extremely

00:09:06.500 hard as a kid, not, not actively pushed.

00:09:09.040 It was more just like, well, we expect you to achieve this because that's who you are.

00:09:12.100 If you achieve any less and we'll never talk to you again.

00:09:14.280 And I had already been pushed out of the house.

00:09:16.260 Like they were serious about this.

00:09:17.820 When my family was like, make this work or you're gone.

00:09:22.400 They're like, remember how you haven't been allowed home since you were 13?

00:09:26.360 I'm like, oh yeah, I get that this threat is real.

00:09:30.460 Like the disowning thing is not a, and other people in another video, they've been like,

00:09:34.040 I've never heard of this like disowning tradition.

00:09:35.640 It's a real tradition.

00:09:36.340 We mentioned it in another video.

00:09:37.520 And it is a tradition that is implemented for people who see it as cruel.

00:09:40.960 It comes from families who have high clan-based structures where like family really matters.

00:09:45.280 Blood is stricter than water is something I heard.

00:09:46.780 Yeah, but also successful family.

00:09:48.900 But low rates of nepotism.

00:09:50.460 It's how they prevent nepotism, i.e. the promotion of people who are otherwise incompetent.

00:09:55.320 And it's also how they prevent inter-clan warfare.

00:09:58.280 Well, the only way you can have meritocracy within a family clan is by getting rid of people.

00:10:04.200 You have to just get rid of people.

00:10:06.760 Mm-hmm.

00:10:07.240 Mm-hmm.

00:10:08.520 Yeah.

00:10:09.080 And so, no, it's not that they were being pushed too hard.

00:10:11.620 It's just that that was the just-so story the kids came up with to explain their whininess.

00:10:15.980 And then, two, isolation from adults, both literal, being left alone, and emotional isolation from parents were linked to distress or substance abuse.

00:10:24.400 So, if they didn't show this statistically, and I'm pretty sure that-

00:10:27.860 Well, no, no, no.

00:10:28.300 I think there's something here, and I think a lot of it has to do with affluent parents being more likely to be really, like, concerned about safety and more controlling.

00:10:38.740 But in that way of, like, you can't go out, you can't, like, a lot of, I would say, I will say lower class, less resourced parents are like, you know, go out, what?

00:10:48.760 Play in the neighborhood.

00:10:49.500 I don't care.

00:10:49.980 Play in the streets.

00:10:50.620 Whereas, more high-maintenance, middle-class parents are like, no, stay inside, like, study, work with your tutor.

00:10:56.860 And that can be very isolating.

00:10:58.600 And that is, you know, we complain, you know, people blame phones for kids' mental health not thriving.

00:11:06.160 But I think the bigger issue is that kids aren't allowed to go outside.

00:11:09.400 You know, we've actually seen this with our ultra-wealthy friend groups, so we hang out with, like, a lot of billionaire-class people, and we hang out with their infants and their toddlers, and they act very different from ours.

00:11:22.760 I don't know how much of this is what you're talking about, how much of this is genetic, but they are very timid compared to our kids.

00:11:31.220 And we do things with our kids that they would consider bordering on child abuse in terms of how much freedom.

00:11:39.920 Come on, the internet's very open about the way that they think.

00:11:42.780 But also, when I see any post, for example, by Ballerina Farms, where it just shows their kids out in the fields or something, there will be 15 comments on, this is child abuse, this is child endangerment, they could be kicked by a cow, they could fall into the water channel.

00:11:59.260 Like, you don't understand just how egregious the standards are among especially moderately affluent, middle-class parents and safety.

00:12:08.000 And so I do think that they are socially isolated, and they're socially isolated because of out-of-control standards around parenting and child safety, quote-unquote, for children.

00:12:18.360 So anyway, I just want to say that that is-

00:12:20.160 That's a really interesting point, and I want to elevate part of it here, because it's something that I remember from my childhood that I haven't seen in other families.

00:12:27.740 And even you struggle with this a bit, is I remember on multiple occasions, somebody said something like this to my parents, because we were very free-range-y as kids.

00:12:39.880 Oh, yeah, and you guys were described as like the Addams family.

00:12:42.560 And you also had the stories of driving four-wheelers into ponds and almost dying, so I know that your parents were hands-off.

00:12:49.420 That we fell into ponds?

00:12:50.880 You drove four-wheelers into ponds.

00:12:52.560 Oh, yeah, well, yeah, I mean, yeah, I drove four-wheelers.

00:12:56.020 I had major crashes, you know, stitches, everything like that.

00:12:59.800 Your parents were super hands-on.

00:13:01.280 In one instance, when I was around Octavian's age, so this would have happened when I was five.

00:13:05.920 Okay.

00:13:06.620 So, yeah, around Octavian's age.

00:13:08.300 Oh, and the hornet stings, the bee stings. 1.00

00:13:10.200 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:13:10.780 I had to go to a hospital for that once.

00:13:12.220 That was a totally separate thing.

00:13:13.460 We went over Groundos Nest, and then we were revving the four-wheeler engine on it.

00:13:16.860 I spent my weekends at a ranch, okay?

00:13:19.900 But this is different.

00:13:20.700 This was in the town.

00:13:21.500 So we had a three-story mansion in Highland Park, and it was covered in ivy.

00:13:28.220 And Highland Park, it's the Beverly Hills of Dallas.

00:13:31.440 Yes, it's a nice area.

00:13:32.660 Very, very large.

00:13:34.020 Who owned it, actually?

00:13:34.920 I think it was the Cox's who owned it, and they were like lending it to us or something.

00:13:37.860 Anyway, I, at a five-year-old, and now as an adult, I realize like why our neighbors like seriously had problems with this.

00:13:45.160 I apparently used to like to climb the ivy on the outside of the house to the third floor.

00:13:51.340 Of course you did.

00:13:52.740 Imagine if you go, you're driving through a wealthy neighborhood, and you're looking at one of the mansions, and on the outside, there's a little five-year-old clinging to ivy.

00:14:02.780 You know for a second that Titan would do that.

00:14:05.920 Your daughter climbs anything she could possibly think to climb.

00:14:10.520 She would climb curtains if we had them in our house. 1.00

00:14:13.360 Oh, my God.

00:14:13.880 I actually, now as an adult, when I understand how genuinely young I was and how genuinely like horrifying that was, I actually think that's pretty funny.

00:14:24.120 I was genuinely, but the point I mean here is my parents at various times throughout my childhood made it clear that death was an option for us.

00:14:33.840 What I mean by that as, is family said, at various points when they were criticizing my parents, if you let them do this, they might die.

00:14:45.300 And they said, well, they deserve it if they die.

00:14:49.740 And it was, it was, you can totally see my mom saying stuff like that, right? 1.00

00:14:53.860 Like, well, like if there were being idiots. 1.00

00:14:56.420 They're dumb enough to die doing that. 1.00

00:14:57.900 Oh, my God. 1.00

00:14:58.540 And I have noticed that I have that mindset with our kids a little bit, you know, it's like, are they better off, right, being in this ultra protectionist mindset in terms of their adult outcomes or adding?

00:15:14.120 Because with everything you do, you're adding some probability of death.

00:15:16.700 You're always valuing a human life no matter what you do.

00:15:19.140 You know, when you decide to put up, you know, guard rails on a highway, you're trying to price, okay, how sturdy these need to be, because they could always be made sturdier, right?

00:15:30.180 They could always be made with more cushion.

00:15:32.280 At a certain point, you just need to be like the harm or the cost.

00:15:35.100 And I was raised to believe that that equation should be very much on the side of if a kid is not allowed to be put in a position where they could kill themselves,

00:15:47.220 then they are going to grow up without the skills they need to thrive.

00:15:53.700 To not kill themselves.

00:15:54.680 Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:15:55.900 And also, they're more likely to probably do dangerous stuff in the future.

00:16:00.460 Yeah, I mean, I will say-

00:16:01.620 I want to point out, though, for the audience, just actually how concerned you are with our children's safety to the point where literally you don't want to go on family vacations from this point onward in which everyone flies together

00:16:14.720 because you are too concerned about everyone possibly dying.

00:16:18.920 I know.

00:16:19.720 That's me concerned about everyone dying at once, to be clear.

00:16:22.620 That's a little different.

00:16:23.900 But two, I want to be clear here.

00:16:25.720 I am concerned with their safety when it's a variable risk.

00:16:28.620 Yeah.

00:16:29.040 The plane flight doesn't gain them an experience that is critical to their adult experience.

00:16:33.680 Yeah.

00:16:33.940 And this is something where I look at something like these parents who are like, well, with the additional kids you have, you won't be able to take your other kids on vacations.

00:16:39.880 And it's like, is the vacation really going to augment their adult identity significantly?

00:16:45.000 No.

00:16:45.720 Am I risking their life for something that doesn't have any real impact on their adult identity?

00:16:52.860 No.

00:16:53.580 But when I think about other things, like taking them into the woods, right?

00:16:57.000 Like, do I feel if I never let my kids go and play in the woods by our house, supervised, of course, that I would be putting them at risk?

00:17:04.300 And people would be like, why are you scared of your kids supervised playing in the woods?

00:17:07.420 Because I love 411 files.

00:17:09.880 Yeah.

00:17:09.940 And they always start with, family goes on an innocent hike in the woods.

00:17:13.920 Five-year-old runs five yards out of view.

00:17:16.580 Five-year-old is never seen again.

00:17:19.020 So this last weekend, I was playing with our kids in the woods.

00:17:21.920 Actually, we were playing by a creek and we were throwing things in the river and then seeing how far we could get up one side of the creek and how far was the other.

00:17:26.780 And I got three kids to take care of, right?

00:17:28.180 So I'm always more focused on the younger two than I am on the older one who's about to turn five.

00:17:34.420 And so this older one, he disappeared.

00:17:36.340 And I had lost my phone that day somewhere when we were playing with the kids.

00:17:40.700 I think one of them might have yanked it and gone to play with it.

00:17:43.540 They love pickpocketing and stuff like that.

00:17:45.460 They're very...

00:17:46.160 Oh, yeah, they do.

00:17:46.360 I got to post a video here in this video of just how mischievous Titan is.

00:17:51.100 Oh, boy.

00:17:51.780 Yeah.

00:17:51.900 For a sign of mischievousness.

00:17:54.200 Like, this is not something she learned.

00:17:56.500 Where we clearly established that something is not nice to do.

00:18:00.100 And she's like, oh, great.

00:18:01.540 Let me do this in abundance and then do it again.

00:18:04.400 Just...

00:18:05.120 Oh! 0.60

00:18:06.860 No!

00:18:08.060 You made a mess!

00:18:09.260 I made a mess!

00:18:11.540 Titan!

00:18:13.340 Why?

00:18:14.200 No!

00:18:14.600 Are you bringing some back to me now?

00:18:18.900 Oh.

00:18:19.620 Oh.

00:18:19.980 Oh! 0.60

00:18:20.560 What? 1.00

00:18:22.800 You are monstrous! 0.99

00:18:24.980 You pretended you were bringing some back to me? 0.99

00:18:28.020 You gotta see...

00:18:28.860 To see how much she'll punish me, right?

00:18:30.720 You know, so anyway.

00:18:31.960 Octavian, gone.

00:18:33.700 Gone.

00:18:34.060 I was going to get Titan because she'd fallen over in the creek.

00:18:37.480 And I go back and Octavian is gone and I am running up and down the creek.

00:18:40.600 I am panicking.

00:18:41.500 I am reflecting on all the 4-on-1 stories.

00:18:43.380 The next day, the Wall Street Journal is coming to our house.

00:18:45.700 And one of the thoughts I have is, oh my God, are we going to be doing like a child search

00:18:50.520 with like the police and like everything like that?

00:18:52.940 Like I read in all the 4-on-1 stories while the Wall Street Journal is here with us about

00:18:57.380 one of our kids going missing in the woods.

00:18:59.520 But it turned out that he just decided he didn't want to be with us.

00:19:02.520 So he walked home on his own.

00:19:04.560 Yeah, and started asking me for food.

00:19:07.040 And he comes to me inside.

00:19:08.880 I'm with Indy, our infant.

00:19:10.880 And he's like, I told daddy I was going to go home.

00:19:13.220 And here I am, smirk.

00:19:14.420 Can I have an apple?

00:19:15.400 And yeah, little did I know you were out there panicking.

00:19:17.660 He's just inside eating apples while I'm having a panic attack.

00:19:21.520 So, you know, there's downsides to this.

00:19:23.900 I do worry for my kids.

00:19:25.420 And I do understand that there is risk in taking them to play in the creek, to play in the woods.

00:19:30.380 But let's bring this back, though, because what we're arguing is that this is a very unusual

00:19:35.460 sentiment among middle-class parents right now in developed nations.

00:19:39.800 And that is a problem for the well-being, the mental well-being of their children,

00:19:46.160 as is reflected by the general misery of wealthier children right now.

00:19:51.780 So let's get to the next study.

00:19:52.960 The price of affluence.

00:19:55.200 This was talking about new research shows that privileged teens may be more self-centered

00:19:58.440 and depressed than ever before.

00:19:59.680 This was in 2009.

00:20:00.900 And this showed that adolescents from homes where the average income was $120,000 or higher,

00:20:07.760 reported higher rates of depression, anxiety, and substance abuse.

00:20:10.820 One in four students in recent generations showed elevated rates of narcissism compared

00:20:15.760 to only one in seven in 1985.

00:20:17.720 And again, can you blame them when all you're allowed to do is sit at home on your phone and

00:20:22.380 then watch the channels and Instagram accounts and TikTok accounts of people who are also very

00:20:30.440 narcissistic?

00:20:32.600 Yeah.

00:20:33.160 Well, and here, this is from the American Psychological Association.

00:20:37.120 Yeah, it is more reporting on the first study.

00:20:38.900 Okay.

00:20:39.200 But they report on it in different ways.

00:20:41.360 So let's see what they have to say here.

00:20:43.420 They also appear to have a really high lack of resilience where they have really big troubles

00:20:49.520 coping with disappointment or failure.

00:20:52.460 Now, of course, urban monoculture says this is due to high expectations.

00:20:59.480 In reality, it's due to we never martially punish our kids.

00:21:05.640 You know, oh, we now know from the research, i.e. the 2023 paper that did the meta study

00:21:11.460 and actually matched the data sets, that it turns out that martial punishment of kids,

00:21:16.920 corporal discipline, that it leads to actually higher outcomes when you don't say that any

00:21:24.140 kid who wasn't disciplined is in the...

00:21:26.400 So just so people understand, because we've talked about this before, but it's probably

00:21:28.860 important to reiterate here.

00:21:31.160 A lot of papers came out in the 80s trying to argue that corporal discipline was bad.

00:21:34.600 But the way they did their sample sets is they did enormous sample sizes, so no one

00:21:39.620 would question.

00:21:40.600 But then they say any kid who wasn't corporally punished within the non-corporal punishment

00:21:43.520 category and any kid who was, was, was outmatching for families, which means that if you were

00:21:49.060 a family where one of your kids needed to be disciplined and the other ones didn't need

00:21:52.380 to be disciplined, i.e.

00:21:53.500 you had some boys and some girls, because often girls don't require this, they would have 0.70

00:21:57.140 put the boys in the corporal discipline category, the girls in the non-corporal discipline 0.99

00:22:00.480 category, and then say, well, you see, clearly, corporal discipline is causing more behavioral

00:22:06.140 problems, when, no, that's not the case.

00:22:08.580 And when you correct for this, you actually find it's useful.

00:22:10.860 And like anyone should have known this, hiding somebody from any negative stimuli as they

00:22:15.840 grow up is going to hypersensitize them to negative stimuli and going to lead to things

00:22:19.240 like trigger warnings, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:22:21.620 But I want to hear your thoughts here.

00:22:25.040 Yeah.

00:22:25.340 Well, I mean, I think that plus sheltering people from general hardship is going to cause

00:22:30.760 this.

00:22:31.440 I think we're also seeing this in things like grade inflation, where literally, even when

00:22:35.960 you've completely failed to excel in an area, you're not allowed to receive that negative

00:22:39.480 feedback.

00:22:40.360 The removal of standardized testing or, or SAT testing in some areas just were like, we, we

00:22:45.720 can't show you when you're doing wrong.

00:22:47.800 And then the moment life happens to you and inevitably you fail at something, which is

00:22:55.280 the only way you're going to start getting good at something or start moving forward.

00:22:58.920 I mean, you can't do anything ambitious.

00:23:01.220 Like we say, success is built upon a mountain of failures.

00:23:05.300 So you're, you're dooming people when you don't teach them that failure is part of succeeding,

00:23:12.180 a core part of succeeding, and that it is both okay.

00:23:15.700 And a sign that you're pushing yourself enough to actually get somewhere.

00:23:18.980 Well, yeah.

00:23:19.760 And they don't let the kids really suffer or learn their own boundaries or anything like

00:23:23.920 that.

00:23:24.120 You know, you've pointed this out with play behavior, where play behavior in children

00:23:26.720 is about learning boundaries, you know?

00:23:29.520 And when you remove that, especially if you teach them that the core boundary center is

00:23:34.100 the authority, right?

00:23:36.140 You teach them to always make appeals to authorities when their boundaries are breached, right?

00:23:40.740 So instead of pushing back themselves, they appeal to the Twitter mob.

00:23:45.480 They appeal to CVS.

00:23:47.500 Somebody pushed my boundaries.

00:23:49.960 And it was a CVS thing.

00:23:50.800 Keep in mind, 37% of kids in America now have CVS called them.

00:23:53.360 And people are just spamming this.

00:23:54.980 Because people don't have, and I think a lot of this came downstream of when schools started

00:24:00.520 to go this pathway, where it was like, when a kid's being bad, tell a teacher, you know?

00:24:06.380 Yeah.

00:24:06.620 Appeal to authority.

00:24:07.820 Yes.

00:24:08.120 Appeal to authority, always.

00:24:10.020 All violations of individual boundaries are fixed by appeals to authority, which of course

00:24:15.860 is one, not a mentally healthy way to do things, learn how to handle things yourself.

00:24:20.100 The quote from my mom that I mentioned in other episodes, I remember when a teacher was

00:24:24.460 praising me for having told on another student, and afterwards she pulls me aside, and she

00:24:28.540 goes, what are you, snitches get snitches. 1.00

00:24:31.320 We say this with our kids as well when they tell on their siblings. 0.94

00:24:34.140 She's like, what are you, a narc?

00:24:35.460 Like, that's what you're, I was like, but you're being picked on. 0.68

00:24:38.900 And she's like, that's what your fists are for. 1.00

00:24:40.340 And I was like, but I get in trouble.

00:24:41.580 And she's like, well, that's honorable.

00:24:43.660 You know, fix things yourself.

00:24:45.400 Don't go to an arbitrary authority.

00:24:47.200 And it's the culture is that we're able to maintain this mindset that I think are going

00:24:50.340 to get through this particular period of fertility collapse.

00:24:53.080 Yeah.

00:24:53.300 Because the appeal to authority also allows you to offload responsibility to authority.

00:24:58.960 And I also now think, I'm just now going over all these stories from my childhood.

00:25:02.120 And I was like, wow, I really was given maybe even, maybe even I need to push myself to let

00:25:08.280 my kids do more because it might just be that I'm starting from a culture that was much more

00:25:13.200 like do your own thing.

00:25:14.580 And I remember one incident where I locked Miles in the bathroom for an entire day and nobody

00:25:21.940 found out what that's awful.

00:25:26.160 That is awful.

00:25:27.380 Yeah.

00:25:27.480 We must've been like five and six at that.

00:25:31.100 No, no.

00:25:31.800 It was four and five range or five and six range.

00:25:34.740 Yeah.

00:25:36.980 No, we're not doing that with our kids, but I get what you're saying.

00:25:41.660 They just weren't paying attention.

00:25:43.640 They were just like, yeah, no, I mean the, like, you know, I've told you of the various

00:25:47.420 times when I've wandered off as a kid and then, you know, come back and like their police

00:25:51.440 search teams coming together for me and like, explain this story when you disappeared and

00:25:56.340 you had no idea.

00:25:56.920 Well, it happened a couple of times.

00:25:58.260 Once we were camping in Death Valley in California, which is a very, a very hot desert.

00:26:02.300 And I decided to just, you know, wander further from the campsite than my parents expected

00:26:08.140 and take, you know, normally they'd let me disappear for like an hour.

00:26:11.580 And this time I disappeared for two or three.

00:26:13.660 And then I came back and they, you know, were putting together a search party for me.

00:26:16.800 You know, when meanwhile, I'd just been going around meeting people at different

00:26:19.520 campsites and another time when I was babysitting an infant, I decided to take the infant for

00:26:25.020 a very long walk in a stroller during the babysitting session, because it's what made

00:26:29.260 the baby stop crying.

00:26:30.940 And I come home and there is a search party being formed for me.

00:26:34.460 This was before the age of cell phones, of course, when no one could know where your kid

00:26:38.140 was.

00:26:38.520 But yeah, I mean, I would sometimes take my liberties too far, but yeah, my parents, my parents

00:26:43.800 let me at the age of 13, spend a month working abroad or volunteering abroad at a hostel in

00:26:51.320 Mexico in a, in a mixed gender adult hostel, one bedroom, just like, you know, rows of beds.

00:26:58.080 I did similar things.

00:26:58.820 When I was, God, I must've been 14 or 15 at the time I did hitchhikings through Central

00:27:02.900 America.

00:27:03.540 Yeah.

00:27:03.900 As an adult, I now realize that was very dangerous.

00:27:08.680 That is an insane thing to let a child do.

00:27:10.240 We wouldn't, we wouldn't, I don't think I would let a 13 year old girl be in an adult 1.00

00:27:15.360 mixed gender hostel in Mexico.

00:27:18.140 No.

00:27:18.680 So yeah, I would say that there are some things that we were allowed to do.

00:27:22.100 But this is a problem.

00:27:22.960 Are we, are we just starting from a further point?

00:27:26.080 Yeah.

00:27:26.220 Are we being, are we being cucks right now?

00:27:28.340 Do we need to just. 0.96

00:27:28.980 I think we're being cucks.

00:27:29.720 The comments can let us know.

00:27:31.000 Yeah.

00:27:31.340 Are we being cucks by the everyone else?

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00:27:59.300 Many very competent people have iPhones.

00:28:00.820 Is this a good Samaritan joke?

00:28:03.280 What do you mean good Samaritan?

00:28:05.060 Who should wander by but a Samaritan of all people? 1.00

00:28:09.260 And he actually helped the man.

00:28:11.100 I mean, this is what I'm saying.

00:28:13.100 That a Samaritan, all right, so have a good think about your attitudes, went and helped.

00:28:18.900 Because what I'm saying is that he was a good Samaritan.

00:28:23.100 That's good Samaritan, if you could imagine such a thing.

00:28:27.100 Yes, yes, I can.

00:28:29.240 I know there's a lot of prejudice against Samaritans, which is terrible.

00:28:33.020 But I'm sure I speak for everyone in this room when I say that there are loads of really

00:28:36.920 nice Samaritans.

00:28:38.220 Yeah, some of my best friends are Samaritans.

00:28:40.300 Oh, yeah.

00:28:40.760 Yeah.

00:28:41.200 So, look, look, so what I'm finding offensive is your unreflecting acceptance of this cliche 0.98

00:28:46.620 that all Samaritans are wankers. 0.99

00:28:49.300 No, I'm saying that goodness comes in unexpected places.

00:28:52.520 Yeah, and I'm saying that the fact that you wouldn't expect goodness from a Samaritan 1.00

00:28:56.500 betrays your inherent racism.

00:28:58.940 I didn't realize there were any old Samaritan sympathizers, you know, Sammy lovers. 0.68

00:29:05.220 I didn't realize it was such a PC environment here, and at the end of the day, it is only

00:29:10.980 a parable.

00:29:12.040 What, it didn't really happen?

00:29:13.680 Well, of course not.

00:29:14.660 A Samaritan tosser wouldn't do that for his own grandma. 1.00

00:29:16.700 That's a fantastic one.

00:29:18.020 But, what are we going to say here?

00:29:20.420 So, people might be wondering, like, why are we talking about the urban monoculture?

00:29:22.980 It's the urban monoculture people.

00:29:24.260 Oh, no, no, no.

00:29:25.200 We talk about the urban monoculture is this culture that is dominant in urban centers around

00:29:30.200 the world right now.

00:29:31.160 It's a fairly new cultural group.

00:29:32.820 It attracts people with the promise of no pain, no suffering, just come to us and you

00:29:36.380 can do whatever you want, whenever you want, and be affirmed for believing whatever you

00:29:39.380 want to believe about yourself.

00:29:40.320 And, obviously, this has massive negative psychological consequences.

00:29:44.420 and it's it's it's sentinels it's preacher cast is the modern psycho psychology movement which

00:29:53.600 other episodes we talk about this you can go into our arguments i was trained in psychology i know

00:29:58.100 what i'm talking about everything they're doing now is stuff we were trained not to do in the

00:30:02.040 early 2000s because it could cause dependence um they are essentially creating dependency you go

00:30:07.800 to a psychologist today what you are getting is closer to what historically you would have got

00:30:11.960 in a scientology thetan reading than you would have gotten in a in a psychologist reading they are 0.89

00:30:18.840 trying to implant trauma yeah that said that's not all psychologists some are still okay but most

00:30:24.500 are are part of this that these this group this urban monoculture has penetrated wealthy culture

00:30:33.040 more than it's penetrated non-wealthy culture in the same way the scientologists go after the

00:30:40.300 celebrities first the urban monoculture went after the celebrities first if you look for it and i

00:30:46.980 would well and i would i think we need to argue and point out that one of the primary vectors for

00:30:52.600 indoctrination is universities and most you know most people who are making upper middle class incomes

00:31:01.560 have gone through the university system essentially having gone through cult indoctrination at this point

00:31:08.180 i'd agree with that but i'd argue it's also a portion of targeting as well so if you look at

00:31:15.180 like celebrities i saw a thing recently there's looking at just how many celebrity children are

00:31:19.660 trans and it's like really insane amount it's in come to think of it it is really weird i wondered if 0.89

00:31:26.720 it was just a selection thing because no no no they're they're they're convincing their kid because

00:31:32.460 they see it as a status symbol so they are because within the urban monoculture being trans especially

00:31:39.320 having trans children and being okay with it is a huge status symbol see these celebrities what they

00:31:46.000 used to try to do was in the urban monoculture they try to raise their status by adopting black 1.00

00:31:49.860 right everyone remembers that fad and then it turned out they were basically stealing children 1.00

00:31:55.880 from like non-consenting families in africa and everyone then was like you know it's actually

00:32:00.640 pretty racist what you're doing like honestly and so then oh no high and dry how can i value signal 0.98

00:32:06.920 with my children how can i show i'm the best in the besties well i can chop their genitals off that 0.97

00:32:13.260 works um so now they're all trying and if you're like no some of their kids are likely trans in 0.92

00:32:20.320 multiple families you'll have an instance where they'll have like three adopted kids and all of them

00:32:24.920 have come out of trans it's like or three biologically it's that just wouldn't happen 0.99

00:32:31.040 that's like impossible by the statistics you would unless it was a social contagion you would not get 0.98

00:32:38.620 three trans people into the same family okay people like you must see this right like you're not stupid 1.00

00:32:46.400 are you or are you stupid are you stupid and you can't see that it is surprising that all the celebrities 1.00

00:32:53.420 are doing this and that yes trans people might actually exist but that doesn't mean that people 1.00

00:32:58.600 aren't using a trans identity for nefarious purposes instead of signaling and that these kids aren't going 0.73

00:33:04.140 to suffer from this oh they don't suffer from this it's not a big deal oh yeah except trans people 1.00

00:33:10.940 have a 40 to 50 depending on the study you're looking at rate of unaliving themselves you are

00:33:18.380 taking that kid and you're saying here's a coin flip it you get to decide if you die so just for a

00:33:24.980 quick list of some celebrities with trans kids duane wade naomi watt share jamie lee curtis cynthia

00:33:30.540 nixon marilyn wyans charlie theron uh charlie theron's is a really horrific case she adopted two black 1.00

00:33:38.680 kids and immediately transitioned one of them uh at the age of three uh so you know obviously this was

00:33:46.100 not the kid's choice if you have raised kids you understand that at the age of three kids do not

00:33:51.880 understand the concept of gender fully uh one of our kids is five and i'd say that's when they

00:33:57.360 reliably seem to understand gender as a concept but pre four no it would be really rare for a kid to

00:34:04.760 understand fully the concept of gender or regularly get people's pronouns right

00:34:08.540 next we have also god that she adopted these kids and and going for double signaling points 0.89

00:34:14.760 that's so gross uh we have heather dubrow here we have annette binning we have cara payton we have 1.00

00:34:21.520 jennifer lopez we have cindy barshop we have bussy phillips i've got another long list here but you guys

00:34:28.620 don't really care i will say that one to be the the one where it's the three kids together that is

00:34:35.360 megan fox however she just dresses all her boys as girls but she doesn't she still calls them by 0.92

00:34:41.440 male pronouns and i don't know i mean clearly she's doing it for the points it would be very rare for

00:34:47.460 three boys to happen to all just coincidentally prefer dressing as women so i don't know i don't

00:34:53.800 know what's going on there but yikes when you consider that unaliving oneself rate when you acculturate a

00:34:59.520 person into this sorry it's not it's none the cool it's not that cool not that cool not that cool

00:35:06.640 but what about you simone what do you think of this urban monoculture of anxiety and depression we've

00:35:11.620 talked about all the time the stat i love at cdc just a few years ago one in four girls created a plan

00:35:17.920 to unalive themselves on any given year over one in ten kids in high school is attempting unaliving

00:35:24.880 themselves every year i would love to see more research on how specifically children subject to

00:35:33.560 we'll say real trauma are doing mentally so remember there was that one i think they were

00:35:38.140 looking at kids in norway or sweden or something like that maybe the netherlands who had either

00:35:43.680 reported having childhood trauma versus reported having no childhood trauma and then how they were

00:35:48.980 mentally doing and then they looked at whether or not there were court records implying they had

00:35:53.800 real trauma and it turned out that the correlation in terms of like being a mentally healthy person

00:35:58.480 today didn't have to do with real trauma it had to do with perceived trauma and what i'd love to look at

00:36:04.660 is do children who suffer from constrained resources in the united states who suffer from hardship who

00:36:12.580 have reported like actual problems in their lives do they have better rates when we're looking at

00:36:21.680 suicidality when we're looking at drug use when we're looking at substance abuse in general or

00:36:26.620 depression than those who come from affluent non-traumatic technically speaking backgrounds

00:36:34.800 because i i'm very curious to see i was so intrigued by the mindset and the baby boom following world war

00:36:42.660 two where all these people had these incredibly traumatic experiences a very difficult time tons of

00:36:48.300 deprivation i mean first you had the depression then you had a world war and then people come home

00:36:53.560 and it is a 50s and everyone is having babies and everyone's building companies and everyone's

00:36:58.360 buying everything you know they're just like wow you know everything exploded and there was a very

00:37:04.280 optimistic time culturally as well i'm wondering i mean yes and no i guess but like what i want to know is

00:37:11.680 what's going on among those who actually have it hard so if we know that those who have it

00:37:17.340 quote unquote good from a resource perspective are doing really poorly are what's going on with those

00:37:25.920 who aren't doing so well resource wise are they better off yeah but i mean yes that's objectively what

00:37:33.180 the studies are showing but the point i wanted to make here okay and i think that this is interesting

00:37:38.900 i think that one reason there is the urban monoculture hasn't pierced their culture as

00:37:42.840 much everything here is a lot of this is around girls okay yeah and i think this is a unique

00:37:48.360 psychological phenomenon that occurs within young women that needs to be better studied and understood

00:37:55.180 if only real researchers still existed but the phenomenon i think works like this when men go 0.84

00:38:02.740 through puberty they desire to have it overtakes them it's like somebody got you addicted with drugs

00:38:09.780 without your permission obviously it differs depending on your culture and genetics and everything like

00:38:14.780 that but you know it's the way it felt for me now women very different okay they don't have this desire 1.00

00:38:22.380 for sex in the same way they have more a desire for affirmation and to be cared for

00:38:30.900 and to be protected right but the problem is would you agree with that or would you say that i'm yeah

00:38:37.420 yeah yeah to be to be treasured and dressed over and sought after yeah well fortunately you know we live

00:38:46.200 in a society today where historically this fussed over protected mindset in part came because women lived in 1.00

00:38:55.940 real positions of one personal danger and sort of subservience to men and they were often in

00:39:02.520 environments where people were able to in a way offer them a form of real protection offer them a form

00:39:10.660 of real comfort you know like a blanket right yeah today they don't have those things and they're they're in

00:39:18.360 this ultra individualist mindset because of our existing culture and because of that especially the ones

00:39:24.760 that have no real problems in their lives i think that women with a little bit of uh non-hardship men 0.98

00:39:32.740 do okay but when you get a little bit of hardship women's brains go haywire look at the effect on a 1.00

00:39:37.460 man and a woman's mind into the mind of a man see how many and tidily stored now see the same thing on a 0.60

00:39:45.280 woman at first we see a similar result but now look still at a reasonably low level her brain suddenly

00:39:52.140 overload she becomes frantically and absurdly deranged look at these venomous habitants

00:39:57.380 they went to university hard to believe they're all under 25 especially this young youth women 0.97

00:40:07.240 because they begin to look for instinctually what's my hardship and who's gonna leave it

00:40:14.800 and if they don't have a hardship they invent a hardship yeah the thing about it maybe i have

00:40:21.580 gender dysphoria or maybe i have an autoimmune disorder and they become spoonies and you know 0.94

00:40:26.640 maybe maybe maybe my parents are too harsh on me or maybe society pushes me or maybe it's the

00:40:32.620 patriarchy or maybe and when you invent a hardship the problem with invented hardships is they don't have 0.85

00:40:39.540 solutions no one can protect you for a hardship that's only in your own brain well and certainly

00:40:45.580 that's self self-imposed and what's even worse is that now the present therapy culture seems to only

00:40:53.160 really average of course there are still great therapists out there i'm sure but create codependence

00:40:58.820 with a therapist and sort of cause you to dig into this trend of income that's an annuity a girl who you 1.00

00:41:06.220 can build dependence on you you bring a young girl there you fix her you're like hey honestly these

00:41:11.680 things don't really matter no no you don't want to tell them you want to tell them oh you're traumatized

00:41:16.500 and your parents did it honestly so if they try to keep you from seeing me they're abusive and you know

00:41:22.200 it's a good strategy it's a good strategy for a reliable source of income it's all evolved it's all

00:41:27.580 rational actors but it messes up these young girls mind because they have never been in an environment

00:41:33.380 like this from an evolutionary perspective and so they create simulated hardship for themselves

00:41:39.260 that is worse than the real hardship they would have experienced historically and i see this so

00:41:44.860 much you know when i talk to queen anne for example like people just don't understand how hard people

00:41:51.320 had it until fairly recently who's queen queen of england queen anne oh oh oh oh 12 no i think it was

00:41:59.400 16 16 16 miscarriages yeah all miscarriages one was a kid who died when he was in his early teens

00:42:06.260 like 12 or something like that she had the best health care anyone in her world could have

00:42:13.460 she had the best support network the best living accommodations the best and yet her wife was 1.00

00:42:21.980 is demonstrably more traumatizing than the life of almost any human living in the early miserable

00:42:31.020 yeah yeah i'm like maybe that's the bottom five percent of the u.s population but with our social

00:42:37.480 services in this country not really and so this is the thing like we under appreciate just how bad

00:42:45.460 people had it historically speaking oh my god one of the ones i remember i think it was one of the

00:42:50.600 king louis that was one of the king louis he had an anal infection louis the 14th anal fissures

00:42:57.620 anal fissures where it was so bad and it was constantly infected because you know they couldn't 0.98

00:43:02.780 do anything about it back then that his feces came out through a different hole in his butt that 0.95

00:43:07.540 had rotted through higher in his sphincter i didn't know that that doesn't sound right 0.97

00:43:11.900 yeah yeah it was a separate hole had rotted through is my understanding due to necrosis

00:43:17.140 near yeah near and for louis the 14th yeah it had gotten really really really really really really

00:43:22.260 bad really he lived a life despite being the most privileged person of his time of constant pain

00:43:29.160 that almost well kenny hammer the eighth in his later years as well was an intense pain

00:43:35.080 yeah gout right no the the injuries he sustained from hunting like there was oh yeah yeah yeah

00:43:40.660 it got infected it was just yeah just terrible yeah yeah yeah yeah they stank yeah oh oh and i

00:43:48.220 remember working at the swissonian i worked with skulls of like pre-eliminated ancestors and one of the

00:43:52.260 skulls was like covered in little pot marks and it was because a fungus had eaten the person's face

00:43:58.380 away to their skull and was starting to eat away the skull and they lived like this for decades

00:44:03.140 the level of pain people experienced on a historic basis their quality of life and yet they

00:44:10.540 were able to intergenerationally sacrifice themselves to create a better world for you

00:44:16.740 yeah for these young girls who for their simulated fantasies have created these depressions and

00:44:24.200 hardships it's well they don't they're not doing it obviously they're not trying to be ungrateful

00:44:30.620 obviously that there's just no no no we haven't evolved to live in a world with this level of

00:44:36.940 affluence with this level of not needing to strive and try to survive that's that's it we're not meant

00:44:43.760 for this and so we need to build cultures and lifestyles that don't put us in these very dangerous

00:44:50.200 situations i uh you know i feel like these these people these days they're they're the urban monoculture

00:44:57.900 it's not as tempting to our kids if it wasn't our generation i'll tell you that um well we're

00:45:03.440 seeing that with gen alpha for sure they see they're like this is not working yeah it turns out

00:45:10.140 doing whatever would give you pleasure whenever you want to so long as it doesn't interfere with

00:45:14.720 anyone else's pleasure and then affirming whatever you want to believe about yourself does not create

00:45:20.100 positive mental health outcomes avoiding all negative stimuli through trigger warnings through a lack of

00:45:25.220 corporal punishments through a lack of that causes people to be ultra sensitive to any minor negative

00:45:31.940 stimuli and then create feedback loops oh this should have been obvious yeah it should have been obvious 0.99

00:45:39.200 you idiots um sorry i realized this for a long time like even when i was studying psychology in college 0.99

00:45:45.760 which was my you know i studied neuroscience predominantly but you have to study a lot of 0.99

00:45:49.780 psychology than no neuroscience um the direction of all of this was beginning to become obvious i

00:45:57.060 remember i kept seeing things in society i kept seeing things that people psychologists were telling

00:46:01.740 them and was like but you shouldn't be doing that right like you know you shouldn't be doing that

00:46:10.760 this it came over the edge actually at stanford business school i went to this class called touchy

00:46:16.760 feely and it was a cult there is a class at stanford business school that is an active cult and it's still

00:46:22.800 running isn't it yeah uh i i went into it and i as somebody who both studied neuroscience psychology knew what

00:46:29.420 you weren't supposed to do in psychology but also was really interested in studying cult tactics i was like

00:46:34.580 oh sleep deprivation humiliation forcing people to rank each other forcing people to look into each other's eyes

00:46:42.420 long interrupted uninterrupted periods where you're kind of forced to interact uninterrupted periods where

00:46:47.840 you're forced to give like self monologues searching for individual trauma this is like not like maybe it's

00:46:55.240 a cult it is like to the letter a cult and one of my favorite things that i tell this to people

00:47:00.960 yeah but you've got to remember people who went through touchy feely make up a lot of the board of the

00:47:06.940 stanford business school and i know very few people who went through it who don't one donate to the

00:47:12.340 school because of their experiences in it and two say it was one of the most important experiences of

00:47:16.520 their lives in terms of shaping who they are today and i was like hmm not exactly convincing me it's not

00:47:24.300 a cult here buddy yeah but but but these are smart people and i was like yeah but it turns out that

00:47:30.000 cults actually disproportionately work on smart people i know this having when i was younger having studied

00:47:35.920 brainwashing techniques hadn't been very very interested in i wasn't as moral as i was am i am

00:47:41.220 now when i was younger i didn't understand as part of the urban monoculture i was like if it feels good 0.99

00:47:44.380 it's good right okay right brainwashing techniques don't really work very well with stupid people 0.98

00:47:49.000 because they can't hold the memetic architecture because what a brainwashing technique really i think 0.99

00:47:53.180 that if you see this where you really see this is with carl pilkington where he just doesn't fall for so

00:47:58.800 many pieces that are even part of the urban monoculture and one of the reasons why he's so fun to watch

00:48:04.560 why his commentary is so great is that he sees through even sort of the cultish tactics of 0.89

00:48:09.340 modern society and is like wait why would we want to do this why this is this is really dumb i'm not

00:48:15.220 into this i don't want to be here one of my favorite favorites of his was some guy in africa who was

00:48:21.960 super rich was trying to show off how great he was to carl pilkington helicopter guy helicopter to show

00:48:29.380 him the city and the estate and then they land and carl pilkington goes couldn't we have just looked

00:48:36.060 at like a gps or a picture like why didn't we do that and the guy was so distraught and downtrodden

00:48:44.040 that he just couldn't impress this guy it's true carl pilkington didn't want anything more than what he

00:48:49.740 has he's like and to your point all the weird mental gymnastics that take place with cult indoctrination

00:48:56.460 and societal indoctrination just don't work on him because he's he's just he thinks too simply

00:49:01.720 he's he's of another another ilk a godlike ilk i love him so much oh my god he's great he's great

00:49:08.040 yeah he's clearly just not affected by social pressure in the same way that other people are

00:49:13.980 and it leads him to say things that sound insane to other people oh we can end the show with our

00:49:19.140 little buddy oh yeah can you get the kids i can interview octavian davian do you like playing in the

00:49:24.980 woods yes what did you learn about playing in the woods this weekend oh daddy did you is it okay

00:49:32.540 to run away from daddy in the woods yes but then i was telling daddy that i will not do that again

00:49:41.240 i promise i won't go with um uh the forest again and then you just got me a kiss yeah and then you got a

00:49:50.920 kiss yes and and i have a question octavian are there monsters in the woods yes they are are they

00:49:58.240 scary monsters i understand monster stories now i understand why the witches live in the woods

00:50:02.380 and they are and they are fast and they can kill me easily yeah yes easily thank you i was explaining

00:50:10.260 because we have wolves around our property big ones i've seen them too we're about to take a vacation

00:50:14.200 to a place where there are bears and we have seen bears and they are very large bears yeah oh my gosh

00:50:19.680 they're so scary right yeah so you remember very well do not walk away from us when we're outside

00:50:26.140 okay octavian yeah no malcolm will you go pick up the kids octavian do you think that kids with a lot of

00:50:33.860 money or kids with a little bit of money are more happy kids with a lot of money why would kids with a lot

00:50:41.840 of money be more happy octavian because

00:50:44.720 maybe they're not more happy octavian

00:50:51.020 do you think that money might make you unhappy it will make me

00:50:57.420 what happier and skyden why would money make you a lot happier and excited octavian

00:51:04.140 because if i have money i'll be much happier why will money make you happier octavian

00:51:11.600 because

00:51:12.600 because thumbs up octavian what makes kids happy

00:51:20.180 my

00:51:21.200 titan hi i like a lot of money well i do like a lot of money i'm crazy

00:51:30.380 you like a lot of money but torsen doesn't like a lot of money yes what would you do with a lot of

00:51:36.080 money i will buy everything i like

00:51:39.980 and what will you do with all the things you buy what would you buy first if you got all the money

00:51:44.660 in the world i will buy everything i want in this entire world so i can play and will you be happy

00:51:52.780 with those things because you don't play with your toys that much

00:51:56.100 yeah you don't really play with your toys you mostly play with boxes what if you had a lot of

00:52:01.320 money but you could never play with a box again yeah i ain't gotta play with i like playing with

00:52:07.220 boxes only would you choose money or boxes boxes over toys he said boxes over toys yeah so boxes are

00:52:14.740 more important than money right yeah well if i play with toys they'll be pretty boring pretty boring

00:52:22.140 okay yeah so what if you could have a lot of money but you couldn't go play at the creek

00:52:26.140 would you rather play at the creek or have a lot of money

00:52:28.680 let's do both

00:52:31.800 no you can't do both you have to choose would you like to play at the creek or have lots of toys

00:52:35.960 i'm just gonna do money right now

00:52:39.360 what about what about what about the boat would you rather have a lot of money or play with the

00:52:46.240 inflatable boat

00:52:46.860 boat that's so big okay okay you want to go to the creek right now josey yeah i want to go

00:52:54.240 at the creek again okay hold on hold on hold on why don't you say would you rather have lots of

00:52:59.640 money or go to the creek i just want to go at the creek okay okay toasty do you want money or do you

00:53:06.480 want rocks torsson torsson torsson toasty hi do you want money or do you want rocks i don't want money

00:53:15.860 i want to go at the creek oh my he wants to go at the creek i'll take you to the creek my friend

00:53:22.320 titan titan do you want money or do you want baby deer he's so mad right yeah he's so mad but you see my

00:53:31.280 kids love the creek titan though it's dangerous titan do you want money or do you want baby deer

00:53:37.460 she wants baby deer are you sure you want baby deer more than

00:53:43.660 take you kick me out of here all right michael i'm gonna come down i love you

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Based Camp - August 26, 2024

Why Wealthy Kids are the Most Depressed

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