Based Camp - Why Wokes Would Kill Rather Than Allow Open Discourse (Charlie Kirk RIP)

00:00:00.000 I have to make a joke because I'm otherwise

00:00:02.840 going to keep crying.

00:00:03.900 I'm really sorry for Charlie Kirk and his family.

00:00:20.940 Modern leftism cannot survive scrutiny. 0.99

00:00:23.780 That's why they have to kill the people 0.98

00:00:25.240 who have open conversations. 0.53

00:00:26.800 And how are we going to engage in public discourse

00:00:29.800 and help people have more moderated views

00:00:32.000 and even develop more moderated views ourselves?

00:00:34.300 How are we going to get access?

00:00:36.140 If we're wrong, we want to know that we're right.

00:00:38.140 And we're not going to be able to learn

00:00:40.880 what other people's views are and moderate our own views

00:00:43.480 if we're incorrect, if we can't safely talk.

00:00:46.520 One of the other top voted posts I saw on Reddit recently

00:00:48.800 that I thought was pretty telling was a,

00:00:51.060 are we the baddies post in reflection

00:00:53.880 of all of the progressive posts that they've seen recently.

00:00:57.640 Would you like to know more?

00:00:59.040 Hello, Simone. 0.69

00:01:00.380 It is a bummer to be here with you today,

00:01:02.340 given the topic of today's conversation,

00:01:04.040 which is the Charlie Kirk assassination.

00:01:06.660 We're going to be discussing this from a few angles.

00:01:09.920 The first, or obviously an overwhelming part of this for us,

00:01:13.680 because we had, you know, a documentarian here yesterday

00:01:15.740 when this happened and she brought this up with us.

00:01:17.540 And I think it is very clear from our lives

00:01:19.420 that this is important, is we are right-wing media figures.

00:01:24.720 People send us death threats regularly.

00:01:27.480 Well, there are also much bigger questions,

00:01:29.980 which is what does this mean about free speech

00:01:32.600 and American democracy?

00:01:34.060 And will this trigger more violence?

00:01:36.600 Like, is this just going to build momentum?

00:01:39.060 Well, I mean, he went out there and what he was doing

00:01:42.340 the day he was shot was saying,

00:01:45.320 anyone, whatever your political beliefs,

00:01:48.020 come up and let's have a debate.

00:01:49.420 Yeah, it was his whole thing, was free speech.

00:01:52.680 I mean, we wouldn't say that we agree

00:01:54.200 with every element of his ideology.

00:01:58.140 However, his whole thing was, let's have open discourse.

00:02:01.480 And the fact that he specifically,

00:02:03.120 as an open discourse person,

00:02:04.620 was targeted during a moment of open discourse is...

00:02:08.160 Well, it shows that the left cannot survive open discourse.

00:02:12.500 And it existentially, if you are promoting open discourse

00:02:16.580 or you are out there in a moment of open discourse,

00:02:18.840 it must end you.

00:02:20.880 Next, we are going to go over...

00:02:22.980 Because I think the reason why this has been

00:02:24.460 such a Martin Luther King moment of the right,

00:02:27.380 you know, like sort of paralleling his assassination,

00:02:30.300 and we'll talk about Martin Luther King here

00:02:31.580 because people will be like,

00:02:32.180 how dare you compare him to Charlie Cook?

00:02:34.660 When I might put it the other way,

00:02:35.960 how dare you compare somebody as debased

00:02:38.340 as Martin Luther King to somebody as upstanding

00:02:40.460 as Charlie Cook?

00:02:41.700 Because we'll get into this in a bit

00:02:42.860 because people don't like that he was putting down

00:02:44.580 Martin Luther at one point.

00:02:45.540 But anyway, the Martin Luther moment of the right

00:02:46.940 is it's how the public is responding to it.

00:02:48.840 And it's...

00:02:49.760 If I go into my own Facebook feed,

00:02:51.600 I'm not talking about like right-wingers

00:02:53.840 who are saying like,

00:02:56.160 thank God this person is dead.

00:02:58.400 You know, sorry, incredibly left-wingers 0.89

00:03:00.720 who are like, you know,

00:03:01.720 all these memes and everything,

00:03:02.900 which you'll see and we'll go over,

00:03:04.340 which are celebrating his death.

00:03:05.840 It's not like a few crazy people.

00:03:08.040 This is...

00:03:09.300 Half of my Facebook feed is how...

00:03:11.360 Has the left really gone this crazy?

00:03:12.960 And the other, let's say, third of it 0.98

00:03:15.340 is lefties celebrating his death.

00:03:17.800 Are you serious?

00:03:18.620 The Stanford Graduate School of Business thread

00:03:21.280 that I'm in of my classmates, right?

00:03:24.380 Somebody tried to be like,

00:03:25.960 it's sad that this guy died.

00:03:27.480 And then another person was like,

00:03:28.840 no, really, it isn't.

00:03:30.460 Look, lefties die due to political violence sometimes too.

00:03:33.820 And here's naughty things this guy said.

00:03:36.000 This is where we are in the centers of power.

00:03:39.000 And the reason I bring up the Stanford MBA thread

00:03:42.060 is because these are the people

00:03:43.760 who are in the upper middle management

00:03:46.060 of a lot of major companies

00:03:47.300 and who are setting the policies

00:03:49.200 where you are not allowed to think freely

00:03:51.640 in these companies,

00:03:52.360 where they are regulating what you can say and do.

00:03:54.860 And they, even in this elite sort of

00:03:57.480 should know better level,

00:03:59.300 are incapable of empathy.

00:04:01.680 And I think it's moving a lot of people

00:04:03.820 who weren't sure how evil the left had become

00:04:06.400 into the right-hand side, right?

00:04:09.000 And this often reminded me,

00:04:11.240 you know, we were talking with this person recently

00:04:13.060 because of our leftists, right?

00:04:15.040 And this was about trans issues specifically,

00:04:17.820 but then also about immigrant issues, right?

00:04:20.120 And in tied to both of these issues,

00:04:22.540 I pointed out, I was like,

00:04:24.200 well, the reason I cannot support the protections

00:04:26.860 that trans people want associated

00:04:29.040 with this identity

00:04:31.040 is because bad actors are using this

00:04:34.180 to get into women's prisons, 1.00

00:04:35.900 are using this to get into girls' sports teams,

00:04:38.180 are using this to groom children.

00:04:40.240 And the mainstream trans community

00:04:42.420 is not fighting against,

00:04:44.780 it's like we gave them a knife

00:04:46.660 and we're like, here, you can have this knife.

00:04:48.900 You seem responsible.

00:04:50.020 And then they give the knife to,

00:04:51.680 you know, Mr. Stabbybot.

00:04:53.300 Now stand back.

00:04:54.140 I got to practice my stabbing.

00:04:56.820 No, please, help, stop it, please.

00:04:59.740 And I'm like, when I give you this knife,

00:05:04.060 it's your responsibility to keep it away from Mr. Stabbybot.

00:05:07.120 But when I go and try to take it away from Mr. Stabbybot,

00:05:09.840 you start yelling at me, which is what's happening.

00:05:12.480 And basically this person was like,

00:05:14.080 well, there are people, of course we defend them.

00:05:16.640 Well, if the Mr. Stabby is your people, 0.94

00:05:19.460 then we got to remove the knife from all of this community

00:05:22.220 because clearly like it can't be handed to them safely.

00:05:24.780 It was the same with the immigrants. 1.00

00:05:25.840 She's like, well, why are you rounding up immigrant people, 1.00

00:05:27.640 innocent people?

00:05:28.720 And I'm like, they're using a dragnet approach

00:05:30.820 because people will get arrested for graping people.

00:05:35.460 People will get arrested for assaulting people,

00:05:38.440 for murdering people and be put into facilities. 0.58

00:05:41.260 And when they are released from these facilities

00:05:42.800 and they should be sent,

00:05:44.140 because they are illegal immigrants,

00:05:45.360 sent back to their own countries, 0.98

00:05:46.820 it is the leftist institutions,

00:05:48.560 not even just the activists,

00:05:49.780 who are hiding them and trying to bring them home, right?

00:05:52.620 And so then other people get caught up

00:05:54.480 in this dragnet approach,

00:05:55.540 but it is because of your attempts to save these other people

00:05:59.040 who are clearly bad actors.

00:06:01.260 And, you know, we saw this recently with the,

00:06:02.740 you know, Ukrainian girl.

00:06:03.940 I asked Google, tell me about the Ukrainian girl

00:06:05.880 who was killed recently by like, you know, leftist policy.

00:06:08.620 And it told me the wrong story

00:06:10.520 because it is happening so frequently.

00:06:12.760 What?

00:06:13.400 So not the person who was killed, stabbed to death on the-

00:06:16.760 No, no, no.

00:06:17.480 It first thing that it thought about was in Germany

00:06:19.500 where an Iraqi migrant came 0.81

00:06:21.540 and murdered an Iranian refugee girl.

00:06:23.500 And then there was the other instance

00:06:24.960 where the guy had multiple assault charges,

00:06:27.520 multiple charges of like assault and theft

00:06:29.360 and everything like that just released.

00:06:31.180 You know, and as we've seen,

00:06:32.600 this is just an endemic problem

00:06:34.960 within these leftist centers.

00:06:36.100 And people can be like,

00:06:36.800 well, how dare you, you know, besmirch everyone?

00:06:38.980 And it's, well, when you use one type,

00:06:41.520 like if we're like, okay,

00:06:42.240 we will let the immigrants in if they behave well, right? 1.00

00:06:45.140 And then some of them aren't behaving well.

00:06:46.980 And we're like, well, let's get rid of the ones

00:06:48.060 that aren't behaving well.

00:06:49.180 And then you're like, no, no, no.

00:06:50.260 We want to protect them too.

00:06:51.240 Then we have to get rid of everyone, right?

00:06:52.580 Like that's the way this works.

00:06:55.820 And the final thing I want to go into

00:06:57.360 is the things that leftists are saying about him, right?

00:06:59.360 Like the quotes that they're using

00:07:01.020 to try to make you say,

00:07:02.120 like you said, I disagree with him.

00:07:03.920 I don't think you actually would disagree with him

00:07:06.040 if you did a deeper investigation

00:07:08.040 in the things that he was saying

00:07:09.240 and the things that he was doing.

00:07:10.840 Because he's actually sort of like a perfect ally

00:07:14.360 to the new right more broadly.

00:07:16.840 And, you know, in that he's the type of person

00:07:19.040 that might have like religious leanings

00:07:20.800 against like a gay marriage. 0.56

00:07:22.180 But he's like, but obviously we can't win elections on that.

00:07:24.860 And so I agree with the mainstream party

00:07:26.640 not promoting that.

00:07:28.000 And that's a good ally.

00:07:28.980 So I'm being like, I'm not gonna be a spoiler, right?

00:07:32.520 When it prevents us from winning elections.

00:07:35.080 I sent you though, oh, one funny thing

00:07:37.320 that I'll put on screen here

00:07:38.160 is CNN literally, like they're covering this.

00:07:40.480 If you're like, I hate the media,

00:07:41.720 the whole thing, you never hate the media enough.

00:07:43.740 They said, and if you watch this,

00:07:45.340 the guy shot through his throat,

00:07:46.540 like in front of his kids,

00:07:47.540 it's very clearly an assassination.

00:07:48.840 They're like, well, we can't tell

00:07:50.340 if this is one of his fans.

00:07:51.560 His family wasn't present, were they?

00:07:54.000 No, his family was not present.

00:07:55.820 No, his family was present.

00:07:57.040 His kids were present.

00:07:58.240 Are you serious?

00:07:59.340 Serious, yeah.

00:08:00.160 Oh God.

00:08:01.540 And we'll talk about the family as well,

00:08:03.180 what they might do going forward,

00:08:04.480 financial, everything like that.

00:08:05.420 But yeah, so he was shot.

00:08:07.720 So he was shot and CNN says,

00:08:09.860 we can't tell if this wasn't one of his fans

00:08:12.020 who was shooting a gun

00:08:13.120 in celebration in the audience.

00:08:14.840 We don't know if this was the supporter

00:08:16.540 shooting their gun off in celebration.

00:08:18.840 So we have no idea about it.

00:08:20.460 I can't believe that makes me so angry

00:08:22.060 because they've found the discarded firearm

00:08:25.120 and it has both trans and anti-fascist slogans on it.

00:08:30.440 I don't hear that this had leaked from law enforcement

00:08:33.360 and then it was withdrawn from the newspapers

00:08:35.580 that reported it.

00:08:36.560 It was on the bullet casings.

00:08:38.380 But the fact that it was withdrawn

00:08:41.400 really doesn't mean anything

00:08:42.600 because it leaked from law enforcement.

00:08:44.140 And of course they would want it withdrawn.

00:08:45.280 The moment this happened

00:08:46.560 and I told the person who was interviewing us yesterday

00:08:48.720 because this was a trans person.

00:08:50.060 Like this was obviously a trans person.

00:08:52.440 You had a recent episode 0.92

00:08:53.320 on trans people just can't stop murdering, right? 0.99

00:08:55.060 Like, and we see this more broadly. 0.90

00:08:56.860 Trans community believes

00:08:58.260 that if you do not agree with them

00:09:01.360 on everything that is tantamount to murdering them

00:09:03.780 or trying to extinguish them or genocide.

00:09:05.300 So they have a psychological license

00:09:06.800 to do whatever they want.

00:09:08.960 I'm going to read the quote I brought up.

00:09:11.180 By the way, do you have anything you want to say

00:09:12.260 before we go further here?

00:09:13.700 No, sorry.

00:09:15.380 It's so sad.

00:09:18.580 All right.

00:09:19.320 And people can be like,

00:09:21.080 why are you so like against this

00:09:23.880 when with like the Luigi Mangione thing,

00:09:25.920 you guys don't have the same reaction.

00:09:27.500 And it's like, because this was a person who was killed

00:09:29.640 who actively was making a decision

00:09:31.620 to kill people every single day.

00:09:33.800 Legal methods had been tried to stop him 0.94

00:09:36.120 and it didn't work.

00:09:37.540 This other guy is a guy

00:09:38.980 who's fighting for free speech, right?

00:09:40.840 Like there is a complete difference.

00:09:43.260 But to trans people, 0.74

00:09:44.520 they have so twisted reality

00:09:46.360 that free speech is an attack on their life.

00:09:49.920 And this might not be all trans people,

00:09:51.480 but it's enough of the trans community 1.00

00:09:52.700 and the mainstream trans community

00:09:53.800 is not pushing back.

00:09:54.940 They will still say at their rallies,

00:09:56.300 anytime somebody says,

00:09:57.660 you know, like,

00:09:58.380 oh, you not letting kids transition 0.72

00:09:59.820 is murdering us, right?

00:10:01.700 If you don't grab that person at a rally

00:10:03.620 and be like the same way I would

00:10:04.840 if a right nationalist was like saying

00:10:06.380 like white power at one of our rallies

00:10:07.760 and be like, what the are you doing?

00:10:09.500 Like, you know when puberty blockers

00:10:12.260 were banned in the UK,

00:10:14.020 the unaliving rate among the trans community 1.00

00:10:15.840 did not go up.

00:10:16.720 You know that's a lie.

00:10:18.400 Yeah, I think that's a really important point though

00:10:20.560 is that, I mean,

00:10:24.080 as inclusive as the new right seems to be,

00:10:27.060 we do not endorse bad actors

00:10:32.440 or people who we believe are acting in bad faith

00:10:34.920 or who endorse.

00:10:35.620 Right, and then the left will be like,

00:10:36.580 oh, why don't you go against this white nationalist 0.99

00:10:38.640 or this homophobe 0.98

00:10:39.480 and then it's like I look into them

00:10:40.660 and I'm like, the guy is a Mormon.

00:10:43.440 He's not a homophobe, okay?

00:10:45.180 Or they're like,

00:10:45.740 why don't you go against this person

00:10:47.280 who said that Mexicans are,

00:10:48.640 he said that Mexicans have a higher fertility rate

00:10:51.100 within this context,

00:10:52.720 like definitionally.

00:10:54.600 Like now, right now, by the way,

00:10:56.420 people aren't saying that on the right anymore

00:10:58.280 because it's not true anymore, right?

00:10:59.640 Like Mexicans have a lower fertility rate 1.00

00:11:01.140 than the white population.

00:11:01.960 Recently, Mexico went below the United States

00:11:04.200 in terms of the fertility rates.

00:11:05.380 But anyway, here's what J.D. Vance said about the guy.

00:11:08.480 A while ago, probably in 2017,

00:11:10.680 I appeared on Tucker Carlson's Fox show

00:11:13.040 to talk about God knows what.

00:11:15.300 Afterwards, a name I barely knew

00:11:17.340 sent me a DM on Twitter

00:11:18.440 and told me I did a great job.

00:11:20.280 It was Charlie Kirk.

00:11:21.420 And that moment of kindness

00:11:22.540 began a friendship that lasted until today.

00:11:25.120 Charlie was fascinated by ideas

00:11:27.000 and always willing to learn and change his mind.

00:11:30.560 Like me, he was skeptical of Donald Trump in 2016.

00:11:33.220 Like me, he came to see President Trump

00:11:35.640 as the only figure capable of moving American politics

00:11:38.340 away from the globalism

00:11:39.980 that had dominated it for entire lives.

00:11:42.140 When others were right, he learned from them.

00:11:44.600 When he was right, and he usually was,

00:11:46.760 he was generous.

00:11:47.800 With Charlie, the attitude was never,

00:11:49.400 I told you so, but welcome.

00:11:51.800 Charlie was one of the first people I called

00:11:53.620 when I thought about running for Senate in early 2021.

00:11:56.340 I was interested but skeptical.

00:11:58.240 There was a pathway.

00:11:59.660 We talked through everything from strategy

00:12:01.600 to the fundraising, to grassroots of the movement

00:12:04.140 he knew so well.

00:12:05.720 He introduced me to some of the people

00:12:07.300 who would run my campaign

00:12:08.560 and also to Donald Trump Jr.

00:12:11.280 Quote, like his dad, he's misunderstood.

00:12:14.060 He's extremely smart.

00:12:15.180 And he's very much on our wavelengths, end quote.

00:12:17.580 Don took a call from me because Charlie asked him to.

00:12:20.580 So one thing I want to make clear here,

00:12:22.340 J.D. Vance's rise is in part engineered

00:12:24.820 by Charlie Cook.

00:12:26.800 But more than that, Charlie Cook,

00:12:28.700 like when you talk about the tech, right?

00:12:29.860 When you talk about the, sorry, Charlie Kirk.

00:12:32.160 When you talk about the tech, right?

00:12:33.260 You talk about the new, right?

00:12:34.980 Charlie Kirk helped J.D. Vance.

00:12:37.400 He helped him rise to the position he's in now.

00:12:40.020 And more than that, he was the type of guy

00:12:42.100 who was willing to reach out and lift up

00:12:45.400 new people who were rising, was in the right,

00:12:47.820 like J.D. Vance, who may not be,

00:12:49.860 you know, totally ideologically aligned with him.

00:12:53.240 Yeah, this thing he did where he DMed J.D. Vance

00:12:56.080 after that new segment appearance,

00:12:58.100 apparently this is something he did a ton.

00:13:00.280 It came up on other podcasts I was listening to

00:13:02.540 that were talking about him.

00:13:03.440 People just being like, man, out of the blue,

00:13:05.740 he'd just say these kind things to me,

00:13:07.400 which is really notable.

00:13:08.900 Which is, I mean, and I try to be

00:13:11.340 that type of person who's in prenatalism.

00:13:13.000 Like when I see somebody new talking about the movement

00:13:14.600 or something like that, and they do a good job,

00:13:15.840 I reach out and I'm like, hey,

00:13:16.760 I'd love to get you to, you know,

00:13:18.940 hook you up with press when it comes through,

00:13:20.580 to et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, right?

00:13:21.820 Like I want to be a good custodian of the movement.

00:13:24.020 And it seems that he has been a very good custodian

00:13:25.940 of creating the right that we have today.

00:13:28.680 This very big tent that is so socially dominant

00:13:32.280 and so hard to fight because he approached this

00:13:35.380 and people with different perspectives

00:13:37.600 with a degree of magnanimity that I think,

00:13:41.180 you know, you so rarely see.

00:13:42.720 You so rarely see people throwing down the ladder

00:13:45.600 and trying to build this very inclusive community.

00:13:49.480 Yeah.

00:13:50.080 So to continue here, long before I ever committed,

00:13:55.520 even in my mind to running,

00:13:57.220 Charlie had me speak to his donors at the TPUSA event.

00:14:00.520 So he's giving him his money, people, right?

00:14:03.820 Yeah, that's Turning Points USA

00:14:05.180 for those not familiar with it.

00:14:07.440 He walked me around the room and introduced me.

00:14:09.820 He gave me honest feedback on my remarks.

00:14:12.020 He had no reason to do this,

00:14:13.480 no expectation that I'd go anywhere.

00:14:15.600 I was polling at that point well below 5%.

00:14:18.340 He did it because we were friends,

00:14:20.400 because he was a good man.

00:14:21.980 When I became the VP nominee,

00:14:23.980 and I don't know,

00:14:24.480 so he's investing in people before they're big

00:14:26.700 and that is so important, right?

00:14:28.280 Yeah.

00:14:28.580 And he's also been a constant promoter of pronatalism.

00:14:30.740 He's never reached out to us or a promoter,

00:14:32.660 but we're, you know,

00:14:33.340 smaller than J.D. Vance was at that time.

00:14:35.120 But he's the type of person who would have.

00:14:37.040 And he's the type of person

00:14:37.860 who would have been in line for a VP position

00:14:40.700 or something like that

00:14:41.820 under a J.D. Vance administration.

00:14:43.180 And, you know,

00:14:44.940 so this is what these movements,

00:14:47.040 people are like,

00:14:47.520 why do you hate these movements, right?

00:14:48.920 Because they write this on their guns.

00:14:51.200 They tell us who the villain is in all of this, right?

00:14:55.100 And this is the thing.

00:14:57.280 When people do, like,

00:14:58.400 assassinations for, like, conservative stuff,

00:15:01.040 you know,

00:15:01.240 they'll write stuff

00:15:01.960 that the mainstream conservative party

00:15:03.520 doesn't agree with their promote,

00:15:04.740 like white nationalism

00:15:05.620 or something like that, right?

00:15:07.400 They don't write things like,

00:15:08.960 you know, pro-trans stuff,

00:15:10.060 which, like,

00:15:10.380 mainstream progressives are promoting.

00:15:12.140 But to continue here,

00:15:13.960 when I became the VP nominee,

00:15:15.860 something Charlie advocated for,

00:15:17.820 both in public and private,

00:15:19.500 Charlie was there for me.

00:15:20.680 I was so glad to be part of the president's team,

00:15:22.880 but candidly surprised

00:15:23.960 by the effect it had on our family.

00:15:25.860 Our kids, especially our oldest,

00:15:27.420 struggled with the attention

00:15:28.320 and the constant presence

00:15:29.880 of the protective detail.

00:15:31.440 I felt his acute sense of guilt

00:15:34.040 that I had conscripted my kids

00:15:36.140 into this life

00:15:36.920 without getting their permission.

00:15:38.480 And Charlie was constantly calling and texting,

00:15:40.900 checking on our family,

00:15:41.820 and offering guidance and prayers.

00:15:44.040 Some of the most successful events

00:15:45.380 were organized not by the campaign,

00:15:47.280 but by Turning Point USA.

00:15:49.060 He wasn't just a thinker,

00:15:50.500 he was a doer,

00:15:51.480 turning big ideas into bigger events

00:15:53.400 with thousands of activists.

00:15:55.220 And after every event,

00:15:56.240 he would give me a big hug

00:15:57.320 and tell me he was praying for me

00:15:58.760 and ask me what we could do.

00:16:00.820 You're focused on Wisconsin, he'd tell me.

00:16:02.760 Arizona is in the bag.

00:16:04.200 And it was.

00:16:04.940 So he's giving tactical advice

00:16:06.980 to the campaign,

00:16:08.480 really some of the brains

00:16:09.880 behind the conservative dominance

00:16:12.800 that we're seeing now.

00:16:14.300 Charlie genuinely believed in

00:16:16.080 and loved Jesus Christ.

00:16:17.800 He had profound faith

00:16:18.960 and used it to,

00:16:20.160 and we used to argue about

00:16:20.960 Catholicism versus Protestantism

00:16:22.680 and who was right

00:16:23.880 about minor doctrinal questions.

00:16:25.400 Because he loved God

00:16:26.640 and he wanted to understand him.

00:16:28.180 And here I note here,

00:16:29.100 very interesting,

00:16:29.900 is Charlie,

00:16:31.200 Protestant guy here,

00:16:32.500 which is rare among

00:16:33.200 the conservative intellectual

00:16:34.420 pushers these days.

00:16:36.440 And we see this

00:16:37.540 with our Catholic friends.

00:16:38.440 They love debating theology

00:16:40.920 in not a mean or angry

00:16:42.940 or emotionally tense way.

00:16:44.780 Because when you love this stuff,

00:16:46.140 you love this stuff, right?

00:16:47.120 You know that they're coming

00:16:48.780 from the same place you are,

00:16:49.920 which is a place of faith

00:16:50.820 and a place of a different perspective.

00:16:53.880 Someone else pointed out

00:16:55.120 that Charlie died doing what he loved,

00:16:56.840 discussing ideas.

00:16:57.960 He would go into these hostile crowds

00:16:59.560 and answer their questions.

00:17:00.880 If it was a friendly crowd

00:17:02.060 and a progressive asked a question

00:17:03.500 to jeers from the audience,

00:17:05.040 he'd encourage his fans

00:17:05.900 to calm down

00:17:06.560 and let everyone speak.

00:17:07.740 He exemplified a foundational virtue

00:17:09.860 of the Republic,

00:17:10.660 the willingness to speak openly

00:17:11.940 and debate ideas.

00:17:13.320 Charlie had an uncanny ability

00:17:14.760 to know when to push the envelope

00:17:16.320 and when to be more conventional.

00:17:18.780 I've seen people attack him

00:17:20.040 for years for being wrong

00:17:21.460 on this issue

00:17:22.120 or that issue publicly,

00:17:23.520 never realizing that privately

00:17:24.980 he was working

00:17:25.720 to broaden the scope

00:17:26.800 of acceptable debate.

00:17:28.440 He was a great family man

00:17:29.700 and I was talking

00:17:30.500 to President Trump

00:17:31.160 in the Oval Office today

00:17:32.160 and he said,

00:17:33.140 I know he was a very good friend

00:17:34.440 of yours.

00:17:35.140 I nodded silently

00:17:35.960 and President Trump observed

00:17:37.220 that Charlie loved his family.

00:17:39.540 The president was right.

00:17:40.680 Charlie was so proud

00:17:41.680 of Erica and the two kids.

00:17:44.060 He was so happy

00:17:45.140 to be a father

00:17:46.360 and he felt such gratitude

00:17:47.840 for having found

00:17:48.640 a woman of God

00:17:49.800 with whom he could build a family.

00:17:51.660 Charlie Kirk was a true friend,

00:17:53.260 the kind of guy

00:17:54.040 who could say something

00:17:55.460 to and know

00:17:56.560 would always stay with him.

00:17:57.800 I am on more than

00:17:58.900 a few group chats

00:17:59.920 with Charlie

00:18:00.600 and people he introduced me

00:18:02.360 to over the years.

00:18:03.360 We celebrate weddings

00:18:04.200 and babies

00:18:04.860 but bust each other's chops

00:18:07.160 and mourn the loss

00:18:08.240 of loved ones.

00:18:09.740 We talk about politics

00:18:10.800 and policy

00:18:11.480 and sports and life.

00:18:13.000 These group chats

00:18:13.820 include people

00:18:14.640 at the very highest level

00:18:15.620 of our government.

00:18:16.500 They trusted him,

00:18:17.260 loved him,

00:18:17.600 and knew him

00:18:18.120 because he'd always

00:18:18.800 have their backs

00:18:19.360 and because he was

00:18:20.240 a true friend,

00:18:20.940 you could instinctively

00:18:21.840 trust people like Charlie

00:18:22.960 introduced you to.

00:18:24.420 So much of the success

00:18:26.220 we've had in this administration

00:18:27.320 addresses to Charlie's ability

00:18:29.320 to organize and convene.

00:18:30.680 He didn't just help us

00:18:32.100 win the 2024.

00:18:33.360 He helped us staff

00:18:34.220 the entire government.

00:18:35.440 I was in a meeting

00:18:36.100 in the West Wing

00:18:37.240 when those groups

00:18:38.960 and chats started lighting up

00:18:40.460 with people telling Charlie

00:18:41.640 they were praying for him

00:18:43.020 and that's how I learned

00:18:44.400 the news

00:18:45.000 that my friend had been shot.

00:18:46.620 I prayed a lot

00:18:47.340 over the next hour.

00:18:48.680 At first,

00:18:49.500 good news

00:18:50.180 and then bad trickled in.

00:18:52.080 God didn't answer

00:18:52.720 those prayers

00:18:53.200 and that's okay.

00:18:54.460 And he has other plans

00:18:55.900 and now Charlie is in heaven

00:18:57.120 and I'd ask him

00:18:57.900 to talk to the big man

00:18:58.800 directly on our behalf

00:18:59.740 and our family

00:19:00.320 and his friends

00:19:01.000 and the country

00:19:02.300 he loved so dearly.

00:19:03.720 You ran a good race,

00:19:04.540 my friend.

00:19:05.060 We've got it from here.

00:19:08.560 So,

00:19:09.240 thoughts on that?

00:19:09.760 Because I think

00:19:10.060 that that tells a lot

00:19:11.260 that you may not know

00:19:12.560 about how much

00:19:13.860 this person played a role

00:19:15.000 within the modern

00:19:15.580 conservative movement

00:19:16.300 and why I don't think

00:19:17.300 it is small

00:19:18.100 to call him

00:19:18.760 the Martin Luther King

00:19:19.940 of this generation.

00:19:20.680 You know,

00:19:20.840 somebody fighting

00:19:21.960 for equality

00:19:22.720 in a society

00:19:23.400 that is anti-equality,

00:19:24.800 somebody fighting

00:19:25.280 for free speech

00:19:25.920 in a society

00:19:26.420 that is increasingly

00:19:27.200 anti-free speech

00:19:28.080 and somebody

00:19:29.000 that was killed

00:19:30.100 by extremists

00:19:31.680 who cannot have

00:19:32.580 free speech

00:19:33.080 be part of the public discourse.

00:19:34.360 We'll talk about this

00:19:34.980 because you see this

00:19:35.800 in the way

00:19:36.100 that they're attacking him

00:19:36.880 because I'm going to go

00:19:37.320 over the quotes

00:19:38.180 that they use from him

00:19:39.120 and how insane it is

00:19:40.540 to use many of these quotes

00:19:41.400 to attack him.

00:19:42.240 Really?

00:19:43.300 Yikes.

00:19:43.700 Not much I can say

00:19:50.340 without crying too much

00:19:52.620 which is not the best

00:19:55.640 for podcast material.

00:19:58.840 But yeah,

00:19:59.500 I mean,

00:19:59.840 it's very clear

00:20:00.840 he had a very profound impact

00:20:02.260 and you can see this.

00:20:03.900 What's really interesting

00:20:04.800 is that

00:20:05.500 it's profoundly impactful

00:20:08.840 within

00:20:09.480 the new right

00:20:12.760 and you're not really

00:20:14.800 aside from those

00:20:16.340 who are like

00:20:16.720 relishing his demise

00:20:18.120 on the left

00:20:19.940 you're not really

00:20:20.660 hearing about it elsewhere.

00:20:22.380 By the way,

00:20:23.040 if you're asking about

00:20:24.520 what percent of leftists

00:20:25.920 would say

00:20:26.360 that it is acceptable

00:20:27.300 to murder Elon Musk 0.87

00:20:28.380 or Donald Trump 0.83

00:20:29.080 Yeah.

00:20:29.740 People who are very obviously

00:20:30.680 like not killing people

00:20:31.880 every day 0.54

00:20:32.280 Donald Trump

00:20:33.780 experienced

00:20:34.360 two assassination attempts

00:20:35.820 during his

00:20:36.480 No,

00:20:36.700 but the percent of leftists

00:20:38.040 who say it's okay to do

00:20:39.320 55.2% for Trump

00:20:41.400 over half of leftists

00:20:43.040 think it's okay 0.56

00:20:43.460 to try to assassinate Trump

00:20:44.540 and 46.6%

00:20:46.980 was Elon.

00:20:47.920 Well,

00:20:48.380 something that we covered

00:20:49.460 in the

00:20:50.420 What's Life Gonna Be Like

00:20:52.180 in a Post-Demographic

00:20:53.140 Collapse World

00:20:53.960 episode

00:20:55.220 is that

00:20:56.300 we're just going to see

00:20:57.880 an increasing breakdown

00:20:59.820 of social order

00:21:01.260 and outside

00:21:03.340 of sort of

00:21:04.080 the techno-feudal

00:21:05.820 communities

00:21:06.240 that crop up

00:21:07.600 that are both

00:21:08.880 comprised of

00:21:09.960 very privileged people

00:21:10.940 and people of

00:21:11.600 very humble backgrounds

00:21:12.480 it's going to be

00:21:13.000 all sorts of things

00:21:13.840 I think there's going

00:21:14.900 to be a lot of

00:21:15.380 civility and order

00:21:16.260 within them

00:21:16.980 but in the broader world

00:21:18.620 we're just going to see

00:21:19.480 a breakdown of order

00:21:20.600 and civility

00:21:21.560 and empathy

00:21:23.960 and we're going to see

00:21:24.880 a rise in this

00:21:25.540 political violence

00:21:26.340 and the person

00:21:28.060 the documentarian

00:21:28.820 who was here

00:21:29.280 who was interviewing

00:21:29.960 us yesterday

00:21:30.660 when she

00:21:32.500 told me this

00:21:34.380 and was like

00:21:35.540 you know

00:21:36.900 what do you

00:21:37.320 what do you think

00:21:38.400 you know

00:21:38.640 does this surprise you

00:21:39.960 I mean

00:21:40.940 sadly I wasn't surprised

00:21:42.480 at all

00:21:42.840 it's exactly

00:21:43.460 what we would expect

00:21:44.240 to hear in terms

00:21:45.080 of news

00:21:45.660 and that's really

00:21:46.520 disturbing to me

00:21:47.420 and I think

00:21:47.940 that we're only

00:21:48.360 going to see

00:21:48.840 more of it

00:21:49.420 and that makes me

00:21:50.240 really sad

00:21:51.720 because I'm also

00:21:52.300 seeing within

00:21:53.380 the same

00:21:54.280 New Rights space

00:21:55.340 this

00:21:56.780 this is having

00:21:58.260 a chilling effect

00:21:59.060 as much

00:21:59.460 as people

00:21:59.800 are like

00:22:00.180 he died

00:22:00.680 doing what

00:22:01.120 he loves

00:22:01.700 he did

00:22:02.180 a great job

00:22:02.740 he was a great

00:22:03.360 man

00:22:03.740 people are

00:22:05.600 really going

00:22:06.360 to be thinking

00:22:07.160 I mean

00:22:08.420 they were already

00:22:08.840 thinking twice

00:22:09.500 now they're

00:22:09.920 going to be

00:22:10.240 thinking three

00:22:10.780 times about

00:22:11.760 going out

00:22:12.300 and speaking

00:22:12.700 in public

00:22:13.280 as an example

00:22:14.960 of this

00:22:15.280 Ben Shapiro

00:22:15.840 recently cancelled

00:22:16.700 all of his

00:22:17.320 upcoming college

00:22:18.120 visits

00:22:18.520 one podcast

00:22:19.640 I was listening

00:22:20.640 to some

00:22:21.260 conservative

00:22:21.640 commentators

00:22:22.340 were talking

00:22:22.820 about how

00:22:23.340 they did

00:22:24.500 a public

00:22:24.860 event outside

00:22:25.660 at one point

00:22:26.360 and one of

00:22:27.600 their wives 0.94

00:22:27.940 was like

00:22:28.380 really

00:22:28.740 you're going

00:22:29.000 to do

00:22:29.140 this outside

00:22:29.660 like clear

00:22:30.120 lines of sight

00:22:30.800 you know

00:22:31.200 like are you

00:22:31.580 really

00:22:32.040 comfortable

00:22:33.880 with this

00:22:34.460 it makes

00:22:34.860 it hard

00:22:35.320 for rightists

00:22:35.840 to cross

00:22:36.180 the aisle

00:22:36.520 right

00:22:36.740 like we

00:22:37.100 just got

00:22:37.680 back from

00:22:38.340 going to

00:22:39.160 a university

00:22:39.600 to talk

00:22:40.100 at a gender

00:22:40.460 studies class

00:22:41.240 with like

00:22:42.220 a trans

00:22:42.620 individual

00:22:42.940 right

00:22:43.260 like so

00:22:43.520 we are

00:22:43.920 crossing

00:22:44.280 the aisle

00:22:44.640 we are

00:22:44.920 trying to

00:22:45.300 be genial

00:22:45.640 and we

00:22:45.800 were genial

00:22:46.140 throughout

00:22:46.340 the entire

00:22:46.640 thing

00:22:46.860 but now

00:22:47.460 we know

00:22:48.100 that puts

00:22:49.560 us at

00:22:49.860 risk

00:22:50.220 you know

00:22:50.860 we can't

00:22:51.400 talk with

00:22:51.980 students

00:22:52.440 that's really

00:22:53.420 disturbing

00:22:54.020 to use

00:22:55.400 political

00:22:55.920 violence

00:22:56.620 not I

00:22:57.920 mean it's

00:22:58.820 political

00:23:00.600 violence in

00:23:01.200 general I

00:23:01.740 don't think

00:23:02.180 is the

00:23:02.480 answer

00:23:02.800 but to

00:23:04.320 to use

00:23:05.100 it specifically

00:23:05.960 in the

00:23:06.460 context of

00:23:07.160 free speech

00:23:07.820 and discourse

00:23:08.400 to cause

00:23:10.860 the little

00:23:12.200 dialogue that

00:23:12.980 there was

00:23:13.700 to break

00:23:14.240 down

00:23:14.580 further

00:23:15.040 well I

00:23:15.400 mean if

00:23:15.780 you look

00:23:16.060 at the

00:23:16.260 way the

00:23:16.600 left is

00:23:16.920 like for

00:23:17.380 example

00:23:17.760 I just

00:23:18.600 want to

00:23:18.780 like dive

00:23:19.220 into like

00:23:19.680 lies leftists

00:23:20.720 or the way

00:23:21.120 that they're

00:23:21.360 lying about

00:23:21.760 him one of

00:23:22.180 the things

00:23:22.520 is they'll

00:23:22.840 be like oh

00:23:23.220 it should be

00:23:23.640 okay to do

00:23:24.080 this because

00:23:24.640 when Pelosi

00:23:26.300 was attacked

00:23:27.660 right he

00:23:28.860 said we

00:23:29.620 should post

00:23:30.060 bail and

00:23:30.480 tried to get

00:23:30.840 his fans to

00:23:31.520 post bail for

00:23:32.060 the attacker

00:23:32.500 right okay

00:23:33.700 so this is

00:23:35.140 true what

00:23:36.080 they didn't go

00:23:36.800 into is why

00:23:38.380 he wanted to

00:23:39.020 post bail for

00:23:39.600 the attacker he

00:23:40.640 wanted to use

00:23:41.480 the bail

00:23:41.860 conditionally to

00:23:42.880 be able to

00:23:43.340 interview the

00:23:43.860 attacker to

00:23:44.360 figure out what

00:23:44.840 the motivations

00:23:45.540 behind the

00:23:46.040 attack were

00:23:46.520 are you referring

00:23:47.120 to the person

00:23:47.720 who attacked

00:23:48.180 Nancy Pelosi's

00:23:49.020 husband yeah

00:23:49.940 okay um out

00:23:51.380 of a belief that

00:23:52.200 this was being

00:23:52.800 covered up and

00:23:53.660 there was a lot

00:23:54.300 of reason to

00:23:54.880 believe it was

00:23:55.520 being covered up

00:23:56.280 right he wanted

00:23:57.400 to get more

00:23:58.000 information he

00:23:58.760 wanted a freer

00:24:00.140 public discord is

00:24:01.300 why he was doing

00:24:01.960 this right so to

00:24:03.780 continue here critics

00:24:05.560 of the shooting one

00:24:06.280 quote that they've

00:24:06.980 been using a lot I

00:24:08.220 think it's worth

00:24:08.920 it to have a

00:24:11.160 cost of

00:24:11.900 unfortunately some

00:24:12.800 gun deaths every

00:24:13.520 single year so that

00:24:14.920 we can have the

00:24:15.420 second amendment

00:24:15.900 right and in in

00:24:18.280 this particular

00:24:19.500 context here why

00:24:21.060 would a conservative

00:24:21.600 say that no

00:24:22.620 conservative believes

00:24:23.820 that guns never

00:24:26.040 lead to deaths

00:24:27.180 right like that's a

00:24:29.020 that's an insane

00:24:29.680 thing to suggest that

00:24:30.800 a conservative would

00:24:31.580 believe we were

00:24:32.840 told yesterday they

00:24:33.520 were like well but

00:24:34.080 what do you think

00:24:34.560 about you know the

00:24:35.740 fact that if you

00:24:37.000 have a gun in the

00:24:37.620 home the chance

00:24:38.580 that your kid dies

00:24:39.400 from a gun death

00:24:40.180 you know like

00:24:40.800 skyrocket I mean

00:24:41.760 obviously like there

00:24:43.540 are going to be

00:24:43.860 people who don't

00:24:44.480 handle guns

00:24:44.980 responsibly in their

00:24:45.780 homes who leave

00:24:46.420 loaded guns in

00:24:47.260 bedside table

00:24:47.960 drawers and this

00:24:48.860 is how you end

00:24:49.460 up with cases like

00:24:50.760 that six-year-old

00:24:51.460 who shot his

00:24:52.160 first grade teacher

00:24:53.160 but to say that I

00:24:56.200 don't know to put

00:24:56.720 it that way just 0.84

00:24:57.200 seems so ridiculous 0.75

00:24:57.900 to me right well I 0.94

00:24:59.560 mean it is it is

00:25:00.740 obviously ridiculous if

00:25:02.140 you understand what 0.97

00:25:02.700 the second amendment

00:25:03.380 is for the second

00:25:04.440 amendment is to

00:25:05.160 prevent tyranny and

00:25:07.300 tyranny in terms of

00:25:08.600 the number of

00:25:09.180 deaths it will

00:25:09.880 cause because you

00:25:10.540 are always weighing

00:25:11.400 one of two evils

00:25:12.480 right having guns

00:25:14.160 and the deaths that

00:25:14.780 guns cause is an

00:25:15.920 absolute negative

00:25:17.220 thing right having a

00:25:19.120 government that can

00:25:19.760 act on you without

00:25:20.940 any fear of

00:25:21.740 repercussion is

00:25:22.860 unfortunately worse in

00:25:24.760 terms of the number

00:25:25.460 of deaths that often

00:25:26.560 follow gun bans 0.60

00:25:28.320 right or at least

00:25:29.520 historically speaking

00:25:30.400 to any foreign

00:25:31.340 assailant that

00:25:32.360 attempts to occupy

00:25:33.220 your territory it's a

00:25:34.220 lot harder to occupy

00:25:35.300 a place where the

00:25:36.120 citizens are armed 0.99

00:25:37.040 which is also makes

00:25:38.520 guns a good thing

00:25:40.280 in net right but

00:25:41.700 the point I'm making

00:25:42.200 here is when we see

00:25:43.100 gun bans in countries

00:25:44.000 you know it's not

00:25:44.960 long after that that

00:25:46.000 the government is

00:25:46.580 arresting people for

00:25:47.360 memes or you know

00:25:49.080 like in Germany

00:25:49.800 today tracking

00:25:50.760 mainstream political

00:25:52.020 parties with secret

00:25:52.960 police like they've

00:25:53.860 been doing with the

00:25:54.340 AFD very publicly

00:25:55.580 mind you you know

00:25:56.700 you descend into

00:25:58.240 fascism almost the

00:25:59.580 moment you give up

00:26:00.460 your guns which means

00:26:01.700 that you are causing

00:26:02.920 more harm overall

00:26:05.460 or not the moment

00:26:06.540 but like that's that's

00:26:07.400 where it starts by

00:26:08.620 giving them up and

00:26:09.580 so you can say

00:26:10.160 something this is one

00:26:10.780 of the things I was

00:26:11.380 like saying to her

00:26:11.900 you know this

00:26:12.820 progressive we were

00:26:13.340 talking with the other

00:26:13.860 day I'm like yes

00:26:14.800 this is bad right

00:26:16.680 like it is bad the

00:26:18.420 way that ICE is

00:26:19.720 carrying things out

00:26:20.680 now it is sad that

00:26:21.920 this is happening but

00:26:23.320 not doing it leads to

00:26:24.740 more suffering in the

00:26:26.100 long term right this

00:26:27.520 is an issue that

00:26:28.380 needs to be addressed

00:26:29.080 and so the person who

00:26:30.220 raised the guillotine is

00:26:32.060 more responsible than

00:26:33.180 the person who drops

00:26:34.080 the guillotine right

00:26:35.260 the way I put it is

00:26:36.140 if somebody let a

00:26:37.640 homeless person in my

00:26:38.720 house who was

00:26:39.740 obviously going to be

00:26:40.660 like a major problem

00:26:41.760 and I need to

00:26:42.700 forcibly restrain that

00:26:43.720 person and throw them

00:26:44.520 out of my house 0.74

00:26:45.060 eventually and then

00:26:46.240 they're like oh my 0.99

00:26:46.820 god you psycho like 1.00

00:26:47.700 what a mean thing to 1.00

00:26:48.640 do when you forcibly

00:26:49.480 restrain that homeless

00:26:50.280 guy and threw him out

00:26:51.140 of the house you're

00:26:52.080 responsible for this

00:26:53.020 violence and I'm like

00:26:53.760 no the person

00:26:54.300 responsible for that

00:26:55.400 secondary action was

00:26:56.760 a person who caused

00:26:57.600 that inevitability by

00:26:58.760 letting the homeless

00:26:59.400 guy into my house

00:27:00.240 right like when they

00:27:01.780 knew that this person

00:27:02.600 was a bad actor

00:27:03.340 right and and the

00:27:04.680 evidence that they

00:27:05.140 had access to said

00:27:06.080 that this person was

00:27:06.860 a bad actor right

00:27:07.680 and it's like oh

00:27:08.700 well what what have

00:27:09.400 what have some of

00:27:10.160 the some of the

00:27:10.560 homeless people in

00:27:11.100 your house aren't a

00:27:11.600 bad actor well you

00:27:12.460 you let a hundred

00:27:13.380 homeless people in my

00:27:14.140 house and even if

00:27:14.920 only five are bad

00:27:15.740 actors I still need to 0.94

00:27:16.640 evict them all violently 0.70

00:27:17.860 right you know because

00:27:19.080 there's no other way to

00:27:20.360 get them out of the

00:27:20.900 house if you're going

00:27:21.820 to keep protecting the

00:27:22.620 ones even if I've

00:27:23.260 identified the bad

00:27:23.960 actors as the bad

00:27:24.760 actors right and and

00:27:27.040 this is this is a

00:27:28.120 situation that we're in

00:27:29.280 this has been caused

00:27:30.520 by the left with

00:27:32.100 with that or with

00:27:33.140 with the gun things

00:27:34.080 if you know fascists 0.64

00:27:35.800 didn't exist like you

00:27:37.200 know the left didn't

00:27:37.880 exist we wouldn't need

00:27:39.840 to own guns it is

00:27:41.060 their very ideology

00:27:41.860 that makes this

00:27:42.880 necessary right and

00:27:43.880 there weren't

00:27:44.760 communist insurgents

00:27:45.740 within the United

00:27:46.300 States who would do

00:27:48.080 things like this we

00:27:48.960 wouldn't need guns we

00:27:50.100 have guns in our

00:27:50.960 house because people

00:27:52.300 threaten to kill us all

00:27:53.180 the time right 1.00

00:27:53.800 okay next he goes I

00:27:58.200 can't stand the word

00:27:59.060 empathy actually I

00:27:59.980 think empathy is a

00:28:01.100 made-up new-age term

00:28:02.320 that does a lot of

00:28:02.960 damage in the full

00:28:04.220 context of the episode

00:28:05.300 Kirk was critiquing

00:28:06.660 empathy as a bud

00:28:07.440 word buzzword weaponized

00:28:08.540 by the left to enforce

00:28:09.440 ideological conformity

00:28:10.500 like pressuring people to

00:28:11.640 affirm identities or

00:28:13.480 to excuse writing under

00:28:15.260 understand their pain

00:28:16.340 and and the thing is

00:28:17.680 empathy is always so

00:28:18.980 one-sided with the

00:28:20.100 left you know it's like

00:28:20.920 they won't have

00:28:21.920 empathy for the person

00:28:22.740 who for religious

00:28:23.440 people reasons ends

00:28:24.700 up firing because

00:28:25.260 they don't feel that

00:28:26.060 they can gender the

00:28:27.240 person they can't

00:28:27.980 opt into somebody

00:28:28.800 else idea of gender

00:28:30.200 right and so they're

00:28:31.380 forced to go against

00:28:33.240 their religious beliefs

00:28:34.500 or be fired for

00:28:35.720 misgendering right they

00:28:37.060 have no empathy for

00:28:38.080 that person that or

00:28:39.560 that person's kids who

00:28:40.620 they can't support

00:28:41.260 anymore because they

00:28:42.440 they against that

00:28:43.720 person's content are

00:28:44.840 using social conformity

00:28:46.320 to attempt in

00:28:47.380 fascist tactics to to

00:28:49.180 force their cultural 0.98

00:28:50.320 framework of gender

00:28:51.140 onto this person right

00:28:52.500 they have no empathy

00:28:53.080 for that but they

00:28:54.000 have empathy oh but

00:28:54.940 be empathetic for the

00:28:55.980 person who is acting

00:28:57.620 fascististically right

00:28:59.520 they say have empathy

00:29:00.740 for the people who are

00:29:01.740 rioting for the people

00:29:02.940 who are killing people on

00:29:03.780 the streets have

00:29:04.240 empathy for them but

00:29:04.960 not the people they're

00:29:05.540 killing and this is

00:29:07.360 what he's referring to

00:29:07.980 here and it's a

00:29:08.340 completely reasonable

00:29:09.040 statement here he

00:29:11.120 goes MLK was often

00:29:12.600 he awful he was not a 1.00

00:29:14.140 good person the civil

00:29:15.300 rights act was a huge

00:29:16.560 mistake he didn't say

00:29:17.760 the civil rights act was

00:29:18.380 that who's referring to

00:29:19.220 so why would he say

00:29:20.140 that right well right

00:29:21.600 here he was debating

00:29:22.820 the 1964 civil rights 0.87

00:29:24.620 act scope claiming it

00:29:26.120 had overreached into

00:29:26.860 private business

00:29:27.440 freedoms forcing

00:29:28.560 integration in ways that

00:29:29.640 stifled merit-based

00:29:30.480 hiring not denying

00:29:31.840 racial equality he

00:29:33.180 criticized MLK's

00:29:34.060 personal life for

00:29:35.300 example his very well

00:29:36.500 documented and frequent

00:29:37.480 affairs this is a

00:29:38.780 family man and a

00:29:39.720 Christian of course he's

00:29:40.540 gonna have problems you

00:29:41.660 know with somebody who

00:29:43.040 professes you know a

00:29:45.560 christianity that mirrored

00:29:46.620 his own but was a frequent

00:29:48.640 adulterer but he also

00:29:50.560 praised him and and I'd

00:29:52.740 also note here so so

00:29:54.180 when we're we're we're

00:29:55.200 getting to this stuff he

00:29:57.240 if you're like what did

00:29:58.700 MLK do that would lead to 1.00

00:30:00.520 his criticism so obviously

00:30:02.560 there's extensive FBI

00:30:03.920 documentation of MLK and

00:30:06.760 in the files it was shown

00:30:09.380 that he had sex with

00:30:10.700 numerous women including 0.97

00:30:12.420 clergy colleagues wives and 0.88

00:30:15.080 other associates and he

00:30:16.600 and I note here that we

00:30:17.400 can know that this isn't

00:30:18.420 like just like alleged we

00:30:20.380 know these are real and

00:30:21.500 frequent affairs because

00:30:22.380 the FBI attempted to use

00:30:24.320 these affairs to blackmail

00:30:25.360 him they couldn't have

00:30:26.180 blackmailed him with

00:30:26.940 something that he didn't

00:30:27.940 do so we know that they

00:30:29.800 believe that these were

00:30:30.620 real and he believed that

00:30:31.660 these were real I'd also

00:30:33.200 note here he's also

00:30:34.620 plagiarized in the 1980s

00:30:36.740 and 1990s he plagiarized

00:30:38.420 significant portions of

00:30:39.260 his doctoral dissertation at

00:30:40.600 Boston University and some of

00:30:42.660 his speeches for example

00:30:44.060 about a third of his

00:30:44.840 dissertation on theology was

00:30:46.260 lifted from other

00:30:46.920 scholars without any

00:30:48.220 attribution the Boston

00:30:49.800 University reviewed it in

00:30:50.920 1991 and upheld his

00:30:52.800 degree but acknowledged

00:30:53.620 the plagiarism so we

00:30:54.460 shouldn't have even be

00:30:55.020 called Dr. King but he

00:30:56.160 went around with this

00:30:56.840 title

00:30:57.100 what years were did you

00:30:59.200 misread the years because

00:31:00.160 you said 1980s and

00:31:01.160 1990s that's when it was

00:31:02.540 found

00:31:02.900 oh okay okay

00:31:05.080 yeah

00:31:05.800 and obviously if you want

00:31:08.520 to see about his ties to

00:31:09.480 communists and promoting a

00:31:10.780 communist agenda you can

00:31:12.100 watch our interview with

00:31:13.540 Curtis Yarvin

00:31:14.260 yeah

00:31:16.400 all right

00:31:17.900 but okay so what what

00:31:18.960 does this mean for

00:31:19.900 open discourse do you think

00:31:21.940 it's really going to have

00:31:22.700 a chilling effect

00:31:24.680 I mean

00:31:25.540 a bunch of people reached

00:31:27.080 out to us after

00:31:28.320 this happened

00:31:29.380 everybody's like

00:31:30.080 okay guys don't go out

00:31:31.900 anymore

00:31:32.360 well

00:31:32.900 I think this actually makes

00:31:34.760 me a lot bolder because

00:31:36.020 it affirms that we were

00:31:37.680 right and we've been right

00:31:38.600 about what we've been saying

00:31:39.480 about these communities

00:31:40.280 people are like like do

00:31:41.540 you want to walk back

00:31:42.320 what you've said about

00:31:42.960 you know the trans

00:31:43.740 community and yet I see

00:31:45.340 on trans Twitter everyone

00:31:46.860 is is is excited about

00:31:48.280 this right you know

00:31:49.220 like like happy like I

00:31:50.380 see this on their

00:31:51.080 subreddit those are the

00:31:51.960 upvoted posts right like

00:31:53.460 celebrating this guy's

00:31:54.360 death right you know

00:31:55.280 and so I'm like that

00:31:56.080 though on Twitter there's

00:31:57.500 someone who's like

00:31:58.100 hounding us insisting

00:31:59.460 that we're spreading

00:32:00.620 lies about trans people 0.82

00:32:02.260 being disproportionately

00:32:03.220 represented as

00:32:04.400 shooters

00:32:04.820 that's a factual

00:32:07.200 truth

00:32:08.320 it's somehow using

00:32:09.540 grok to say it's not

00:32:11.240 true though

00:32:11.840 it's very easy to do

00:32:13.580 the math

00:32:14.040 yeah well

00:32:15.480 you look at the size of

00:32:16.460 the trans community and

00:32:17.300 the number of trans

00:32:17.980 shooters it's easy to do 0.96

00:32:19.200 the math you can watch

00:32:19.860 our episode on this you

00:32:20.900 have to and it's not

00:32:22.060 like by a small number

00:32:23.300 I'm just saying like

00:32:24.320 people are also

00:32:24.900 specifically coming after

00:32:26.100 us and viewing us as

00:32:27.220 people who spread both

00:32:28.620 lies and hate on this

00:32:29.900 front like we are

00:32:30.780 targets of people who

00:32:32.980 support the trans

00:32:33.620 community because they

00:32:35.380 believe that we are

00:32:36.780 lying

00:32:37.300 well the entire

00:32:38.320 trans community you

00:32:39.300 need to like separate

00:32:40.020 yourself from reality to

00:32:41.300 continue to be a part of

00:32:42.140 it at this point right

00:32:42.800 like and and I think

00:32:44.380 many people who are just

00:32:45.340 like got into it in the

00:32:46.600 early days they don't

00:32:47.520 identify with the

00:32:48.180 community anymore either

00:32:49.040 right like I'm not

00:32:49.660 saying this about trans 0.69

00:32:50.240 people I'm saying this

00:32:50.840 about the trans community

00:32:51.740 right they have

00:32:53.320 normalized lying and

00:32:55.280 the article that we

00:32:56.260 went over on this that

00:32:57.120 did a great job of

00:32:57.740 exposing it was in the

00:32:58.540 Atlantic you know a

00:32:59.300 leftist publication which

00:33:00.880 is you can look up the

00:33:01.960 episode we said the

00:33:03.220 left is turning on the

00:33:03.800 trans community in the

00:33:04.420 episode we go over a

00:33:05.140 lot of the studies and

00:33:05.820 stuff like this and yeah

00:33:07.280 you know it's it's not

00:33:08.420 mainstream anymore people

00:33:09.740 are realizing that it is a

00:33:11.740 become a cover for sex 0.99

00:33:13.520 best to abuse people 0.95

00:33:14.660 right and that because

00:33:16.220 the community when we're

00:33:17.080 like hey let's deal with

00:33:18.840 this sex pest problem and 0.61

00:33:20.280 the community's like no

00:33:21.280 don't take away their

00:33:22.680 privileges and I'm like no

00:33:23.700 I just want to take away

00:33:24.660 the privileges from the 0.98

00:33:25.320 sex pest and they're like 0.61

00:33:26.560 no no no that's what we 0.96

00:33:28.060 were fighting for those are

00:33:28.980 the rights that we were

00:33:29.680 fighting for

00:33:30.080 just to make sure that

00:33:31.380 Malcolm's point is

00:33:32.440 clear I want to emphasize

00:33:33.320 that we are aware of the

00:33:35.040 fact that most people who

00:33:36.500 identify as non-binary or

00:33:38.220 trans are a part of the

00:33:39.360 larger extended cinematic

00:33:40.480 universe of transness are

00:33:42.560 reasonable people who just

00:33:44.060 want to live a gender 1.00

00:33:45.140 non-conforming life in some

00:33:46.720 way and that's fine what we

00:33:49.660 find really frustrating is

00:33:51.380 that actually in two

00:33:52.800 separate instances this week

00:33:54.540 with with people who are

00:33:56.700 either adjacent to the

00:33:58.480 community through like

00:33:59.480 really close partnerships or

00:34:00.600 who themselves are part of

00:34:02.460 the community and non-binary

00:34:03.940 have talked about the

00:34:07.080 groups that are abusing

00:34:09.020 the privileges that have

00:34:10.620 been afforded to the

00:34:11.380 trans community to and

00:34:12.880 using them to hurt other

00:34:13.700 people and been like well

00:34:15.160 obviously I'm on their

00:34:16.340 side and that's what

00:34:18.340 really gets us I mean

00:34:20.940 what I think what we

00:34:21.880 sometimes get criticized

00:34:22.700 for is like how can you go

00:34:23.980 to natal con if also one

00:34:26.420 year this one very well

00:34:28.060 documented white

00:34:29.440 nationalist was there

00:34:30.480 and I mean the reason why

00:34:32.820 there have been people

00:34:33.640 that we don't really agree

00:34:35.360 with at those places is

00:34:37.040 for open discourse not

00:34:38.460 because we endorse their

00:34:39.480 ideas we're not there to

00:34:41.220 defend their right to you

00:34:44.260 know we never have except

00:34:45.560 you did the point you're

00:34:46.780 making I think it's a good

00:34:47.400 point is the mainstream like

00:34:49.880 organizations like you see

00:34:51.640 this at the big funded

00:34:52.660 organizations are protecting

00:34:54.460 these individuals yeah well

00:34:55.600 but also like without what

00:34:58.880 disturbs me is a complete

00:35:00.500 lack of sanity checking or

00:35:04.060 like sanity testing of like

00:35:05.300 like when they keep saying

00:35:07.320 these people are doing the

00:35:08.900 wrong thing I mean like

00:35:09.720 obviously we we support

00:35:11.560 them and

00:35:12.440 it's causing

00:35:15.760 the women who are being 0.92

00:35:17.260 great and stuff like that as

00:35:18.820 a result of this you know

00:35:19.840 yeah but they like they just

00:35:22.160 kind of dismiss that as lies

00:35:23.660 it's just lies not true lies

00:35:25.580 and there's just a complete

00:35:27.320 lack of willingness to

00:35:28.940 accept that I mean it would

00:35:31.860 be I and I wouldn't I if

00:35:34.140 if they engaged with people

00:35:35.740 that were a little on the

00:35:38.880 extreme end of their

00:35:39.860 movement the same way that

00:35:41.080 the alt-right does which is

00:35:42.660 okay we'll welcome you into

00:35:43.740 our space for debate but we

00:35:46.360 won't platform you we're not

00:35:47.400 going to protect we're not

00:35:48.340 going to go out of our way to

00:35:49.380 protect your specific agenda

00:35:52.540 but that's not what seems to

00:35:54.500 be happening with a lot of

00:35:56.480 far-left movements it is no

00:35:59.380 we're not here to let you in

00:36:01.120 to have you engage in in open

00:36:02.840 discourse we're just going to

00:36:04.560 unquestionably protect your

00:36:06.920 rights to do whatever it is

00:36:08.160 that you want to do and we're

00:36:09.840 going to look the other way when

00:36:11.420 you do bad things or we're going

00:36:13.840 to make sure that you're not

00:36:14.880 punished if you are being

00:36:17.840 suspected of hurting society and

00:36:21.560 this is the same issue that

00:36:22.480 we're seeing for example with

00:36:24.420 the justice system where people

00:36:26.600 are not being committed they're

00:36:28.660 not being jailed they're not

00:36:29.800 being incarcerated when they

00:36:31.120 really do need to in the name of

00:36:32.820 public safety be removed from

00:36:34.360 society as is the case with a 0.61

00:36:36.540 severely mentally ill man who 0.78

00:36:38.600 stabbed the Ukrainian on the on 0.97

00:36:40.800 the light rail system because he

00:36:44.000 his mother I think had even

00:36:45.940 reported repeatedly to

00:36:47.680 authorities that her son is not

00:36:49.760 safe to be out and about he's

00:36:52.300 dangerous and this this is not

00:36:55.160 okay and no one did anything so

00:36:58.840 there's this really big issue of

00:37:00.780 an unwillingness to even

00:37:05.000 they protest when ICE comes to like

00:37:07.860 a prison they protest when I like

00:37:09.860 you you cannot you you have to

00:37:11.480 stop you have to to treat the

00:37:13.360 people who are doing that the same

00:37:14.700 way the right treats our white

00:37:16.560 nationalists which we do we do not

00:37:18.120 promote them right like it the one

00:37:21.240 who came to the conference was not a

00:37:22.780 speaker at the conference right and

00:37:24.720 and people will try to tie like

00:37:26.140 they'll say Charlie Cook was a white

00:37:27.220 nationalist because he'd say 0.90

00:37:27.980 something like if I see a black 0.99

00:37:29.380 pilot I'm gonna be like boy I hope 0.65

00:37:30.980 he's qualified and this is in the

00:37:34.020 context of the extreme affirmative

00:37:36.060 action that was being done in the

00:37:38.320 flight training that has been

00:37:39.500 documented if you watch our episode

00:37:40.820 on America's Chernobyl is gonna

00:37:42.300 happen eventually we see the

00:37:44.060 instance in which they had created a

00:37:46.500 test for like being in in the flight

00:37:48.720 towers to try to get more blacks hired 1.00

00:37:51.160 and they had as the right answer on

00:37:53.420 the test things like I didn't like

00:37:54.980 science at school and I'm not good at

00:37:56.480 following directions right like this is

00:37:58.960 a huge problem right like this is a

00:38:01.560 valid concern when these things are

00:38:03.580 being implemented and people can't be

00:38:05.760 like ooh but Simone you say like how

00:38:09.180 are people gonna respond to this what

00:38:10.640 I've seen across the right is this is a

00:38:12.180 big sort of wake-up moment of you know

00:38:15.280 we need to double down and with me it

00:38:17.480 is too like before I was more

00:38:19.080 permissive and I think more willing to

00:38:21.620 consider leftists at sort of their

00:38:24.360 word but when recently I seen like

00:38:27.480 leftists like genuinely being like I

00:38:29.620 know that trans people are the people

00:38:33.040 are lying about being trans to like get 1.00

00:38:34.360 into female prison so that they can 1.00

00:38:35.660 rape people I know that this is 1.00

00:38:37.400 happening and I'm still going to

00:38:38.820 protect them because they're on my

00:38:39.940 team I'm like oh so you're just like

00:38:43.920 evil right like the others I don't I

00:38:48.240 don't think it's about being good or

00:38:49.820 evil I think it's about getting extreme

00:38:53.340 cultural blinders on but it's it's very

00:38:55.940 very scary it is going to have a

00:38:57.780 chilling effect the polarization is going

00:38:59.480 to get worse we all have to expect more

00:39:01.560 violence and I hope that as fewer

00:39:06.720 people who are engaged in public discourse

00:39:09.860 do so in public without security like

00:39:12.560 obviously now public discourse is going

00:39:14.180 to be more costly less open you know

00:39:17.300 more limited in audience and size and

00:39:19.480 accessibility I hope that we still find

00:39:21.520 ways to make it happen that allow people

00:39:25.200 to cross the aisle a little and actually

00:39:28.260 engage with each other's ideas because

00:39:30.840 this is so scary so yeah I mean we

00:39:35.880 already know I guess you know in terms

00:39:37.340 of the implications for American

00:39:38.680 democracy which someone who followed our

00:39:40.580 channel asked us about like well what

00:39:41.960 does this mean for that we already know

00:39:43.940 American democracy is going to be

00:39:45.120 undermined heavily by demographic

00:39:46.500 collapse so I don't know if this is

00:39:47.700 really going to tip the scales anymore

00:39:49.700 than they're already being tipped but yeah

00:39:53.760 yeah I mean we also have a lot more to

00:39:55.380 learn about who it is who actually did

00:39:57.600 this and I mean they they seem to have we

00:40:00.780 know what we need to know they're trans

00:40:02.060 and in Antifa that we don't I mean so

00:40:04.220 they at least disguised themselves in

00:40:07.920 like a t-shirt with an American flag and

00:40:10.460 eagle on it and they were wearing a hat

00:40:12.000 and sunglasses they didn't look actively

00:40:14.100 trans to me well that's because that was

00:40:17.160 the whole disguise was meant to look

00:40:19.680 right wing that was the idea right yeah

00:40:22.320 and they well they were on a rooftop

00:40:24.280 though I don't really know why they

00:40:25.540 needed to dress up to not even be a part

00:40:27.660 like inside the rally they were they

00:40:29.920 were acting as a sniper and they were a

00:40:31.700 good shot obviously for once but I

00:40:35.400 trans people are like there's a huge 1.00

00:40:37.880 trans gun culture like this is this is 0.99

00:40:40.820 very common in the community like I

00:40:42.440 don't know like what's confusing to you

00:40:43.920 about this yeah yeah I I mean yeah I'm

00:40:46.800 trying to it's normal to fantasize about

00:40:49.540 killing political figures in the movement

00:40:51.040 like if you go on their subreddit they

00:40:52.400 talk about if you go on them talking

00:40:53.820 about this they'll be talking about who

00:40:54.740 else should I kill well and you had

00:40:56.280 sent to me a link that's like what

00:40:58.540 someone working at Jezebel was it had

00:41:01.340 purchased David they had hired witches

00:41:03.840 to try to curse him to yeah so we we've

00:41:06.340 covered on other episodes the fact that

00:41:08.220 there is an extensive I don't know

00:41:10.120 witchcraft marketplace on Etsy and two

00:41:13.300 days before Charlie Kirk's assassination

00:41:16.600 Jezebel had published an article saying

00:41:19.580 that they had they had purchased two like

00:41:22.920 hex spells on Charlie Kirk to to silence

00:41:27.120 him and that they had confirmation that

00:41:30.440 the spells had been used and and I mean

00:41:35.500 well yeah it shows that this is Simone the

00:41:38.740 thing is that this is endemic and I think

00:41:40.180 that this is what people are realizing is

00:41:42.040 that the left wanted this assassination and

00:41:44.360 we're seeing this the mainstream left not

00:41:47.280 the extreme left the mainstream left in

00:41:50.120 their subreddits this is what they're

00:41:52.200 talking about and how are people reacting

00:41:54.060 to this I think the mainstream people who

00:41:55.920 were split on a lot of stuff I'll read to

00:41:57.920 you a post on X this is from Drew Pavlova

00:41:59.900 I will explain to you why the killing of

00:42:01.980 Charlie Cook pushes me to the right he had

00:42:04.060 the exact same views as my Trump

00:42:05.820 supporting parents who I love he had the

00:42:07.780 exact same views as half my extended

00:42:09.620 family just regular boomer conservatism and

00:42:12.700 thousands of leftists celebrated him being

00:42:14.500 shot in the neck and bleeding out in front

00:42:16.100 of his three-year-old daughter if they want

00:42:18.340 that for Charlie Kirk they want that for

00:42:21.020 my parents and other loved ones and I

00:42:22.960 won't stand for it because I'm not a

00:42:24.840 suicidal spiteful mutant with hatred for

00:42:27.540 my own family my own parents my own 0.86

00:42:29.400 civilization I love the people who raised

00:42:31.940 me and I'm loyal to them and I won't ally

00:42:34.020 myself with people who want to murder

00:42:35.720 them just because they have old-fashioned

00:42:38.280 values that were completely common throughout

00:42:40.300 99% of modern history a love of

00:42:42.700 love of faith family church and nation and

00:42:45.600 I'd also point out how much racism and

00:42:47.700 I'm just saying like plain racism one of

00:42:50.180 the people we were talking to yesterday

00:42:51.580 was like I am ashamed of being white

00:42:54.740 right like I am so disgusted with this 0.99

00:42:57.280 ethnic group I if a black person said I 0.99

00:43:00.100 was ashamed of being black you'd say you 0.71

00:43:01.540 have internalized racism if a white 0.93

00:43:03.420 person says I'm ashamed of being white

00:43:04.660 they have internalized racism which is 0.97

00:43:06.560 racism it is just being a racist bigot and

00:43:11.200 there really is nothing else to it if you

00:43:13.500 can't see that you're a racist because

00:43:15.480 you view racial groups differently then

00:43:18.940 then I don't know where you are it's like

00:43:20.400 I'm not a racist be and I'm like well

00:43:22.180 what all this with things you say about

00:43:23.240 Jews and they go well you're allowed to

00:43:24.840 say those things about Jews right like 1.00

00:43:26.520 that's what the Nazis did that's what the 0.79

00:43:28.280 woke say this is dark but if those two

00:43:31.200 etsy witches come out about the fact that

00:43:35.100 they're the ones who released those 0.96

00:43:36.200 hexes they're gonna make so much freaking

00:43:37.940 money

00:43:38.300 I have to make a joke because I'm

00:43:43.080 otherwise gonna keep crying when I think

00:43:44.860 about the fact that his kids witnessed that

00:43:46.820 but with all of this being the case by

00:43:51.500 the way he's probably gonna be okay he

00:43:52.820 had saved up like nine million his wife

00:43:55.140 works in real estate so she had the job and

00:43:57.000 she also it's not gonna bring him back 0.88

00:43:59.900 though it's but I'm like very worried

00:44:02.680 about his kids okay I can't bring him

00:44:04.960 back but I have an existential fear of

00:44:08.520 like oh my god like if we die what

00:44:09.740 happens to our kids like we don't have

00:44:11.060 yeah we don't have that set up for them

00:44:13.380 so the the point I'm making here is more

00:44:18.080 broadly I think what I've taken away from

00:44:20.800 this and even like Simone and I were

00:44:21.880 talking about this today we're just

00:44:22.720 gonna be a lot more tough was like the

00:44:24.560 people we're working with on this front

00:44:25.900 assume a lot less goodwill for people

00:44:28.040 who are in the cult 0.60

00:44:28.760 it just sucks because we 0.69

00:44:30.580 we try to be as open as possible

00:44:32.780 so open like literally like anyone who

00:44:35.680 wants to reach out to us come to our

00:44:37.360 house let's hang out like we don't care

00:44:39.960 if you're famous or not famous come

00:44:41.680 over for dinner

00:44:42.480 and this is how the guy who wrote this

00:44:44.540 like undercover piece got us because

00:44:45.980 like we just accept invitation

00:44:48.080 yeah he didn't even need to make yeah

00:44:49.620 Malcolm's referring to hope not hate

00:44:51.580 that this guy actually like faked a

00:44:53.300 passport and everything he could have

00:44:55.300 just told us he was with hope not hate we

00:44:56.840 would have met him for dinner and and now

00:44:58.540 we're gonna be like really weird and cagey

00:45:01.100 about meeting with strangers if we don't

00:45:03.040 have backgrounds on them and

00:45:04.240 how are we gonna engage in public

00:45:06.320 discourse and like help people have more

00:45:08.540 moderated views and even develop more

00:45:10.100 moderated views ourselves like how are we

00:45:11.900 gonna get access like if we're wrong we

00:45:14.060 want to know that we're right and we're

00:45:15.680 not gonna be able to learn you know what

00:45:18.340 other people's views are and moderate our

00:45:20.260 own views if we're incorrect if we can't

00:45:22.520 safely talk but it always was gonna come

00:45:24.600 to this modern leftism cannot survive 1.00

00:45:27.160 scrutiny that's why they have to kill the 0.99

00:45:28.920 people who have open conversations 0.98

00:45:30.260 right like that's the end of it the open

00:45:32.400 conversation is what was not allowed

00:45:34.040 well

00:45:35.160 i'm really sorry for for charlie kirk and

00:45:40.580 his family and i wish them all the best and

00:45:42.960 yeah i just and and that's what we are

00:45:47.200 fighting for you know that's what you i love

00:45:48.620 it when we were talking to this documentary

00:45:49.980 team and they were like well what do you

00:45:51.300 think about your views being used to like

00:45:53.020 support fashion i'm like our views are used

00:45:54.380 to fight fascism because the gems are the

00:45:55.860 fascist power and we're constantly seeing

00:45:57.400 this the power that wants to shut down

00:45:59.500 free speech it's the fascist side

00:46:01.280 right like you and i and i mentioned after

00:46:03.860 it i was like you know every time i hear

00:46:05.600 about you know leftists being like and

00:46:07.740 the felon trump you know that's always

00:46:10.900 like and the felon nelson mandela you're

00:46:13.160 just reminding me that your site is using

00:46:15.060 banana republic tactics to silence their

00:46:17.120 enemies right it's it's obscene it's

00:46:20.220 obscene where this has gone so and so

00:46:21.980 quickly too right like yeah completely

00:46:23.940 mask off and i have to say i feel a bit

00:46:28.880 of like i want to say to all the people

00:46:30.500 who realize this about the left before we

00:46:32.460 did like i am sorry it took us so long to

00:46:35.780 realize yeah it really took us until covid

00:46:37.560 to like realize how bad they were i mean i

00:46:40.060 think it has just gotten so logarithmically

00:46:43.120 worse maybe i'm wrong because i think a

00:46:47.200 lot of people most people on the left i

00:46:49.540 think and this is like just from talking

00:46:51.520 with them don't realize what the radical

00:46:54.240 like terminally online left is doing and

00:46:58.760 saying they just because you this is what

00:47:00.740 you and i had done we just had assumed

00:47:02.320 that left meant broadly libertarian let

00:47:06.000 people be who they want to be and live the

00:47:07.960 lives they want to live because it was it

00:47:10.500 used to be that that was what it was in

00:47:13.380 the 90s when the right was all about we're

00:47:15.440 going to use laws to impose our values on

00:47:17.440 you and make you live a certain way the

00:47:19.020 left was that bastion of plurality and

00:47:22.400 libertarianism and that shifted and racism

00:47:25.460 and i think there are still a lot of people

00:47:27.140 on the left who didn't get the memo who

00:47:28.880 are like listen i'm non-binary or i you

00:47:32.300 know want to have a homestead and i just

00:47:34.000 want to live my life like leave me alone

00:47:36.140 let me do my thing like i want to have

00:47:38.400 bodily autonomy i want to marry a woman 1.00

00:47:40.720 like whatever right but it's not that and

00:47:44.020 so i also just i don't want to say that

00:47:45.940 we think that everyone on the left is

00:47:47.400 crazy because i think most people are

00:47:50.360 reasonable and they just want to live

00:47:52.200 their lives and they don't want other

00:47:54.280 people to get hurt and it's i don't

00:47:58.340 think so i think that you show too much

00:48:00.260 like like here you're trying to be like

00:48:01.880 for example when we were talking in this

00:48:03.600 gender studies class this is trans them

00:48:06.720 non-binary non-binary well no but they 0.85

00:48:10.320 were also non-binary but it appeared they

00:48:12.280 had had surgery to conform to a non-binary

00:48:14.020 no no it didn't look like there was any

00:48:17.220 sort of i didn't get the impression they

00:48:20.120 were there at least yeah sure but like

00:48:23.060 also i'm pretty flat-chested too i don't

00:48:25.680 think you have to do a whole lot to like

00:48:27.480 look androgynous if you want to

00:48:30.880 i'd be very surprised if it were hormones

00:48:31.560 but anyway and this person like they're

00:48:35.040 like you know totally not understanding

00:48:36.820 there was a group of women that hosted a 1.00

00:48:38.440 conference and they were like we don't

00:48:39.740 want trans women at this conference they 1.00

00:48:41.200 just wanted to host a conference for them

00:48:42.400 and it was specifically a women's only

00:48:45.440 music festival where they had a very

00:48:47.060 strict policy that only natal females

00:48:49.140 were permitted across the street there

00:48:52.080 were a bunch of trans women who are 1.00

00:48:54.020 protesting the event and at least once

00:48:55.740 during this concert they they like

00:48:58.100 marched through the event in protest and

00:49:00.400 what i'm saying here binary member who

00:49:03.080 was like well i mean probably i wouldn't

00:49:04.640 even technically be allowed because i'm

00:49:06.500 non-binary and i definitely supported the

00:49:09.120 trans women was just because this was in 1.00

00:49:10.960 response to a question that they were

00:49:12.460 presented about and like do you support

00:49:14.900 turfs what about turfs and their pull

00:49:16.860 point was like i don't support turfs and

00:49:19.860 you know people should be allowed to express

00:49:21.460 their point here being simone yeah is that

00:49:24.560 these were women who just laid out their 1.00

00:49:27.240 boundaries and said please don't cross

00:49:29.840 these boundaries and explicitly against

00:49:33.020 their consent this other group of

00:49:34.820 individuals invaded their space right

00:49:37.340 the same person at one point had been

00:49:40.040 asked about like well what do you do when

00:49:42.780 someone bullies your non-binary child and

00:49:45.180 she's like well like i don't care like i'm

00:49:47.360 not you know the other parents try to force

00:49:49.140 them all to play nice together and i tell

00:49:50.780 my child listen like if they don't want to

00:49:52.380 play with you why would you want to hang

00:49:53.780 out with them right but the point here being

00:49:55.580 is a lot of these people they are they see

00:49:58.180 other people with such a degree of a lack

00:50:00.140 of humanity that they are not able to see

00:50:02.440 they see trans people as so much more

00:50:03.840 deserving of human dignity than non-trans 1.00

00:50:06.300 people or christians or religious yeah

00:50:07.900 that their their boundaries are the only

00:50:09.420 boundaries that matter and other people's

00:50:11.020 boundaries don't deserve to be respected

00:50:13.120 because they are not in conformity with the

00:50:16.180 yeah and so they are good people in their

00:50:19.180 worldview where some humans are undeserving of

00:50:21.640 basic human dignity and rights but the

00:50:23.800 problem is is anyone with that worldview is

00:50:26.360 axiomatically a bad person

00:50:27.940 well also i mean to the point that you made

00:50:31.840 in in the episode on on trans shooters that

00:50:34.600 there there does seem to be this connection

00:50:37.300 with if you if you choose to succumb to

00:50:42.400 whatever instances or like whatever urges you

00:50:47.440 might have eventually urges that a lot of 0.97

00:50:49.940 people feel like oh it's really good i could kill

00:50:52.780 this person because you're so angry you you start

00:50:55.640 to act on them if you're agentic and i mean it

00:50:58.980 just so happens that people who actually have

00:51:01.100 the the energy to go through transition which

00:51:04.640 requires a ton of agency because it's not easy

00:51:06.780 to do are also it shouldn't surprise you that

00:51:10.100 they would also have the agency to act on other

00:51:12.300 urges that they have so i think that literally

00:51:15.620 the top post on reddit right now is a post

00:51:18.320 mocking charlie kirk's death are you serious mocking it is this true i don't

00:51:22.780 know if yours is going to be different from mine because you know they they use a

00:51:25.920 nope that's exactly what i'm seeing this is what i mean it's it's mainstream and

00:51:29.280 this is the top post on reddit this is mainstream for them

00:51:31.820 this dehumanization of the other side

00:51:34.220 one of the other top voted posts i saw on reddit recently that i thought was pretty telling

00:51:41.380 was a are we the baddies post in reflection of all of the progressive posts that they've seen

00:51:47.880 recently you didn't see us like doing an episode cheering when those democratic politicians were

00:51:52.580 like assassinated right you didn't see us being like oh no i'm not shedding any tears for their

00:51:56.780 families you didn't see us like you didn't see that on the right well what they're gonna say

00:52:01.480 is well what about your fact that you defended the assassination of i've literally said that guy

00:52:06.960 was killing people every day his decisions were killing people every day and multiple times

00:52:12.060 legal implications had been tried to solve this people had tried to solve this illegal way they

00:52:18.360 had tried to earn stop his mass murders free and it was not working because of his wealth and power

00:52:24.680 and connections with lawmakers that's and people who follow this podcast multiple people have pointed

00:52:30.820 out to me that after his assassination actually united health care suddenly changed a bunch of

00:52:34.980 its policies um people's lives were saved likely yeah people said for their own child a drug that 0.92

00:52:40.620 they were gonna have one of our followers that they were gonna have to to take their kid off of 1.00

00:52:44.260 they put their kid's life at risk that was scheduled to be taken off with united health care and they

00:52:49.560 stopped it literally fans of the show have had their child's lives saved by that event

00:52:54.640 that's totally different but to a trans individual it's not because to a trans individual saying that

00:53:01.780 you know not everyone needs to see the world the way you do is an eradication of them well it's genocide

00:53:08.220 of their community i'm sorry guys for losing composure on an episode and that we had a bummer episode

00:53:16.380 and that this happened and oh my god okay so this is this is one of the next top posts eu parliament

00:53:23.000 denies a minute of silence to remember charlie kirk and they all stand up like shouting or something

00:53:27.360 i mean again what do you expect what do you expect yeah these are the people who run the eu now this is

00:53:34.360 what happens when you let go of your guns anyway love you to decimum don't don't i

00:53:41.720 yeah i mean you know you you know what's happening with this stuff and and you you've got to like if you

00:53:51.280 want to get the message out there if you want to get people and this is this is you know one of the

00:53:55.600 things that we just regularly have to deal with i mean this is something that we're having to deal

00:53:58.860 with right now you know when does it make sense to work with people and when does it not right like

00:54:03.640 simone and i were having a conversation about this recently and there's somebody a group that we're

00:54:07.940 thinking about working with and we're just like they have zero interest in demographic clubs the only

00:54:13.940 reason we court public attention is to get the word out there right if if they're if they're not

00:54:19.820 going to do that like we're not interested in fame for its own sake if they're not going to do that

00:54:24.580 then we have no reason to interact with it right anyway all right i guess i'm gonna go i don't know

00:54:34.020 let's let's do something else productive so i don't just spend the rest of my life i love you too

00:54:38.740 titan what are you doing

00:54:41.180 whoa whoa whoa are you a puzzle master

00:54:47.560 can you do any puzzle in the world yeah is it because you're super smart

00:54:54.320 what about youtube nerds are either of you smart

00:55:06.320 octavian are you smart

00:55:17.080 hey daddy when i move the rocket boat this way and then this slides out

00:55:31.900 oh whoa

00:55:32.840 oh

00:55:34.060 why am i making sure

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Based Camp - September 12, 2025

Why Wokes Would Kill Rather Than Allow Open Discourse (Charlie Kirk RIP)

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