Based Camp - Will Muslims Replace Us？ & What Does that Mean for LGBT Communities

00:00:00.000 this guy i absolutely love this guy what would happen to a gay couple in ghazza executed according

00:00:07.980 to islamic law islam doesn't endorse gays islam doesn't endorse homosexuality just like canada 0.76

00:00:13.760 doesn't endorse a lot of things so would you like to see sharia law in canada replace canadian law

00:00:18.080 at some point it will you know because we are we have families we are making babies

00:00:22.640 you're not your population is going down the slump right if by 2060 according to pure research

00:00:28.720 institute your research by 2060 muslims will be the biggest religious group the world over what are

00:00:35.440 you going to do then actually go post sharia is even then well you know what i'm very appreciative 0.97

00:00:41.440 of the honesty we don't usually get that one day we can have a muslim majority nation here in canada

00:00:45.940 right in your face we are going to be showing you guys this clip that we just watched again

00:00:51.700 and spend an episode talking about the clip because i think the clip is wonderful for just

00:01:00.460 a number of reasons would you like to know more i love the way the guy argues for islamic value

00:01:07.240 systems um actually let's just start with that because i think that's really interesting

00:01:12.420 by the way he doesn't say this is what i want this is what we need he just says this is what it's going

00:01:18.260 to be yeah this is what is happening by current statistics yeah um statistics i love that and i

00:01:25.400 would argue that i think he's wrong about the way this is going to play out but i love the vitalism

00:01:30.020 and i think that like when you are approaching issues of pronatalism you need to be approaching it like

00:01:36.740 this guy um we might not be on exactly the same team but i am probably closer to his team than i am to

00:01:44.640 some of the other teams out there right now well i really appreciate about his mindset too and i feel

00:01:49.460 this way about so many things is that and and this is also pervasive in your views of other people and

00:01:54.640 whether or not they matter is you get to own something to influence it to have a say when you

00:02:03.880 are literally building it and that means that your children will be there representing the future you're

00:02:08.440 having children they'll be in the future or if you have a problem with a policy then you get to

00:02:14.100 complain about it if you're trying to fix it you have a problem with the company you get to complain

00:02:17.640 about it if you're trying to fix it but you don't like the all this whining that takes place online

00:02:22.060 among people who aren't actually doing anything to build it themselves or build something better or

00:02:27.740 change something they have no say in this that is a great point and i want to expand on it because i

00:02:34.240 hadn't thought of it this way before but people who have and raise children are building the future

00:02:40.660 and therefore have ownership over that future almost axiomatically yeah where you have far like

00:02:47.040 urban monoculture brain or far like progressive brain they look at the world through this socialist

00:02:52.800 lens where regardless of the effort that you have put into something everybody deserves some level of

00:03:00.200 equal say in whatever is happening i.e the future of humanity etc and even though they aren't putting

00:03:06.160 in the effort to have and raise children they believe that this normative ethical system that

00:03:12.840 they have built and that is going extinct with them is going to give them the ability to pressure other

00:03:19.280 people into their types of beliefs and i think this mindset made sense at one point in human history when

00:03:25.440 people lived in small collective clans or tribes where everyone did inherently play a crucial role

00:03:32.000 even if you were a child you were someone's future old age safety strategy if no matter who you were

00:03:37.520 you're providing something and therefore to feel that you were entitled to the way things were run

00:03:42.540 mattered i think what people are missing in modern socialist worlds and america is fairly socialist when

00:03:48.460 you look at the number of social programs we have and most developed nations seem to be

00:03:52.360 not russia as much not i'm kind of china china has almost no social program yeah basically we're way

00:03:58.020 more socialist than china which is hilarious but the way socialism works modernly is the average human

00:04:05.420 citizen especially one who is benefiting from the state is actually not contributing in that way they're

00:04:11.480 not providing any value and they are primarily a leech and it is mostly businesses and wealthier

00:04:17.020 taxpayers who are producing and making money and they have jobs that are really entitled to

00:04:22.180 something so i think that maybe this mindset evolved in people and culturally was okay in those previous

00:04:28.000 systems where it was almost impossible like that you wouldn't be alive if you weren't contributing

00:04:33.340 right whereas now that's broken and yet we haven't changed our culture around that kind of mindset

00:04:38.080 but what's important to note and i think people believe that he and his kids will adopt their cultural

00:04:45.620 system oh yeah their cultural system is enlightened and correct and based on science and all these

00:04:50.240 and it's just it won't like the fertility rates in even if he has 10 kids and two of them adopt your

00:04:55.920 culture and then they have no kids then they're just going to disappear as well exactly it's only the

00:05:00.180 ones that maintain this hard culture or a version of it and of course there may be a version that is

00:05:04.540 lgbtq friendly but let's talk about his lgbtqia or whatever statements there because i thought that they

00:05:12.100 were really interesting and they do a very good job of signaling that the form of cultural imperialism

00:05:18.300 that he feels from the left and basically saying that this is not something that you will be able

00:05:23.980 to continue to implement and if you think you will you don't understand the cultures you're interacting

00:05:29.580 with specifically the statement that you brought up to me and i really love this was you know in canada

00:05:37.260 you have laws too he's just saying our laws aren't your laws but you have laws that can seem arbitrary

00:05:45.560 to other cultural groups and we have laws that can seem arbitrary to other cultural groups but in

00:05:49.980 the future because we're going to be the majority population in this country that's what you're going

00:05:55.040 to get yeah these laws should be the normative laws of this yeah and he's right in your face

00:06:00.440 yeah well what's what's funny is how both intolerant and pluralistic he comes across at the same time 0.95

00:06:06.280 right because on one hand he's yeah like kill gays obviously and then on the other hand he's just like 0.94

00:06:10.620 you have beliefs in canada too which is great but then he's oh but by the way we're going to be like 0.97

00:06:15.580 this is the law that's going to govern you in the future you know it should be aware that the way that

00:06:20.440 he and again you've got to think too many people think about this like a progressive they're like he

00:06:25.500 wants to go out there and kill people and that's just like a no that is not what he's thinking in his

00:06:31.500 head he thinks in his head what i just want is for people who are born same-sex attracted to either 0.96

00:06:39.540 not act on it or become transitioned and interestingly that aligns with what a lot of

00:06:45.540 progressives these days seem to want anyway just transition them if you got a kid who's questioning

00:06:50.280 their gender just transition them fixes it and it's okay with the islamists but i also think that this

00:06:55.440 is really interesting is this denial and i don't know where it comes from that this is a part of

00:07:01.920 islamic culture in the leftist mindset like the gays for gaza situation and i'm very confused by the

00:07:10.620 did they i think they just genuinely think that this is a far-right conspiracy that muslims believe

00:07:15.920 this is that what you think it is i haven't looked into gays for gaza so i honestly don't know but i can

00:07:23.160 only imagine that they do not understand the full policy at play right so yeah i think it's

00:07:33.820 no there could be like a super based view where they're like no i support their right to hate gays 0.56

00:07:39.120 just as much as i support my right to love gays like it could be that it could be that they're so 0.87

00:07:43.640 hyper pluralistic that's where they're going with this i don't think so no i don't think that's it

00:07:49.600 yeah it doesn't seem like it it seems more like the same with any sort of palestine group which is

00:07:54.840 like oh they're just fairly misinformed about hamas and many other things that are going on and that's

00:08:00.920 why i think i understand so i was just thinking about it for a moment trying to see this from a truly

00:08:06.060 progressive perspective okay it's they are aware that this is happening but because they don't trust

00:08:12.600 the media when it comes to negative facts about muslim cultural groups they assume that it's being

00:08:19.460 over-reported and it's only uh small groups of rural extremists and they also think that they 0.90

00:08:25.660 live in a country where gays are being killed all the time for being gay so from their perspective oh

00:08:30.780 there's small rural extremists over there that do this there's small rural extremists over here that 0.95

00:08:35.820 do this and for both of those rural extremist communities we will eventually convert them to our

00:08:42.000 way of seeing things because their culture doesn't have a right to exist and we should extinguish it 1.00

00:08:47.960 and so when they look at them they don't see a muslim cultural group they see brown people who are

00:08:56.100 future converts to their cultural group and in the in light of them being brown people and being the

00:09:02.700 weaker side of a conflict they are inherently slated for a higher status position with in the larger

00:09:11.980 progressive power hierarchy no questions asked yeah which also makes them think that these

00:09:17.820 individuals are like intrinsically sort of high status and won't have a problem with this like

00:09:22.400 they don't mind their imperialism or their plans to wipe out this cultural group because they are like yeah

00:09:30.460 we'll extinguish their cultural group but we'll give their actual children positions of status 0.99

00:09:34.500 was in this new order that we're creating and therefore there's nothing unethical about it

00:09:39.280 the problem is just it doesn't work woke ideas have not spread very far in the islamist world

00:09:46.180 but you don't have when you have pride week and stuff like that there's always the famous sign where

00:09:52.140 they show all the western companies logos for pride week western accounts and then they show all their

00:09:57.560 middle eastern accounts and you see nothing this isn't to say that their cultures aren't susceptible 1.00

00:10:02.280 to this but i think that often when they hit this they lose a lot more of their culture than even

00:10:10.180 westerners do what i mean by that is is that when muslim children are taken by the urban monoculture

00:10:18.500 more of their original cultural practices and beliefs and perspectives are erased than when progressives

00:10:25.760 are taken by the urban monoculture and i should also note here that there are different muslim

00:10:30.280 cultural groups and there are some muslim cultural groups that take a much more soft perspective to

00:10:37.200 their religion and don't have these incredibly strict restrictions against things like the lgbt

00:10:42.240 community however those cultural groups typically have much lower fertility rates and so don't really

00:10:49.280 matter in terms of this conversation um problem any further thoughts on this particular point simone

00:10:54.800 no i'm with you on that it's just i think it's a wake-up call to lgbt groups that if you want a future

00:11:04.620 that supports open gay marriages and even just relations you gotta figure out demographic collapse

00:11:15.380 stat because this is he's so right he's just right and he states it plainly and i think that's the other

00:11:22.180 thing about pronatalism which really sucks is that the people who are going to create a future that

00:11:30.080 everyone blames us for trying to create is pronatalist right like you're going to make a handmaid's tale

00:11:35.260 you're going to take away people's rights you're going to take away productive rights all these things

00:11:38.640 like that is anyone who does support those things is just very quiet because they're they know that's

00:11:45.700 a default anyone who's talking about this openly they're talking about it because they're not super

00:11:51.160 cool with the default and what i love about what this guy is just saying like openly on the streets

00:11:56.640 is just like that he's showing the default in a way that i don't think anyone else is because any other

00:12:02.460 group that knows this to be true isn't going to talk about it yeah now here's where he's wrong the

00:12:08.000 future is not muslim yes muslims will be the dominant world religion eventually i think that's pretty 0.99

00:12:13.900 obvious from the current statistics but muslims have a higher fertility rate than other regions

00:12:19.600 because so first we should note there are multiple muslim cultural groups some of these groups i think

00:12:26.180 are more american than most americans for example i find the persian muslim cultural group i always joke

00:12:32.260 that if you like trump you like persians like he is very persian coded to me much more than he's coded

00:12:38.240 as like a wasp or something like that very entrepreneurial very american in many ways there's many different

00:12:42.820 muslim groups that are just like really american or in other ways groups that i identify with but

00:12:49.840 then there's also what i would say is that there's a high correlation though between how much a muslim

00:12:55.980 cultural group is one of the cultural groups that i have a cultural affinity to and how low their

00:13:01.220 fertility rate is well typically the groups i have a higher affinity to being lower fertility unfortunately

00:13:07.140 because we are socially much more progressive than your typical conservative yeah but i i would note

00:13:15.720 here no i don't think that's the only reason i think that there's another reason islam is not as a

00:13:22.240 religion particularly protective of fertility rates as we see between religious communities different

00:13:30.460 levels of fertility protection based upon the income that group achieves and for example we

00:13:37.220 contrast like catholics and orthodox christians which typically have lower fertility rates when

00:13:41.380 contrasted with when held in constant with income with protestant groups which typically have much higher

00:13:46.720 fertility rates and jewish groups which typically have much higher fertility rates when held at the

00:13:51.820 same level of income as like catholic and orthodox groups if you put muslim groups into this spectrum

00:13:56.260 they are not as bad as catholic and orthodox groups but they're only a smidge better they're 1.00

00:14:01.560 certainly not up with the jewish groups they're certainly not up with the protestant groups and so then

00:14:07.380 people are like why do some muslim groups have such high fertility rates and it is because they engage 1.00

00:14:15.340 in cultural practices that lower their economic potential which means that because they're at this

00:14:21.520 lower economic potential they're producing more kids remember if we're holding if i'm saying

00:14:25.980 at the same economic level most muslim cultural groups actually are just not that high fertility

00:14:31.580 you you can cheese that by lowering the economic potential of a group those groups therefore are

00:14:38.520 not going to be able to rule the future because they are dependent on more productive groups to

00:14:46.080 either maintain their lifestyles or maintain their governments and infrastructure so

00:14:50.640 what people are missing is a lot of people are like but homas will just take over israel that's the 1.00

00:14:55.840 correct thing it's their land whatever but homas literally had a plan to enslave the most productive 1.00

00:15:00.240 high producing jews in israel that was they understood that they had like we have to keep them we have to 1.00

00:15:08.380 keep them had no economic value to them and the land of israel had no economic value to them the jews 1.00

00:15:15.640 were the thing of economic value and they would only win if they enslaved them yeah and then people also

00:15:21.560 are constantly talking but in europe like all these refugee groups of super high like rates of 1.00

00:15:26.860 reproduction their birth rates are way higher they're going to replace everyone else if that happens those

00:15:30.400 countries those nations and they don't and they don't change their lifestyles if they don't become the

00:15:34.160 economic producers and taxpayers of those nations will become completely hamstringed they won't

00:15:39.740 function and those nations will not have influence on the future so again like what you're arguing in

00:15:45.740 other words is for anyone to have influence over the future they have to be economically productive

00:15:51.900 and technologically engaged to a certain extent and once most groups become economically productive

00:15:58.820 and engaged unless they have some unique good hard culture technology to protect them from lowering

00:16:03.740 fertility which islam doesn't then they will see lower birth rates even muslim groups even muslim 0.99

00:16:09.080 groups yeah you go to your muslim friends who have phds or who work on wall street they are very low 1.00

00:16:16.040 fertility and we have a lot of muslim friends in this category they are very low fertility and you 1.00

00:16:20.980 actually a really interesting thing that you pointed out is you're like in these muslim majority

00:16:24.860 countries who's actually like running the economies in the industry you go to the uae you go to saudi arabia

00:16:33.140 you go to qatar and who's actually putting in the legwork to operate a lot of these companies it's

00:16:40.420 not people from the muslim cultural groups it's often people who are imported from india or the united

00:16:46.320 states and even as they grow functionally the decisions who decides where saudi ramco's capital is

00:16:55.100 invested it's mostly a room full of jews and white people okay so the actual power of these giant 0.54

00:17:03.180 islamic states is still fundamentally being made by other cultural groups so what you're saying

00:17:09.700 essentially is that islamic groups still have to figure out how in the face of modernity wealth and 0.54

00:17:17.260 high education they're going to maintain high fertility rates because that hasn't been figured out 1.00

00:17:21.580 and that's the subtext under this clip that is not being discussed everyone just takes it for

00:17:26.780 granted that oh of course yeah there will be more muslims than anyone else in the future because

00:17:30.760 they're the only ones who are still having kids that's very similar to the same arguments that we

00:17:34.520 hear from people who are like oh it just means that we're just going to have africans in the future

00:17:38.500 because they're the only ones who are still having lots of kids no both of these groups have not

00:17:43.020 figured out how to maintain high birth rates once they develop once they see more wealth once they gain

00:17:47.660 the influence that we would love to see them gain that's the interesting thing and i think that's

00:17:52.000 under discussed in prenatalist discussions yeah and i think this is you look at gaza and everyone's

00:17:56.760 always talking about look at how big the population of gaza is look at how big the population of gaza

00:18:00.440 is one of the densest areas to live in the world and then you look at that and yeah but nobody thinks

00:18:04.740 that gaza has a real shot at winning against israel like why is that the case because it's not about

00:18:10.100 population size it's about the economic productivity of a population and so you can cheese people all you want

00:18:16.540 now numbers help numbers aren't nothing but numbers can also be a liability once you have

00:18:21.460 a lot of people in a country who are very dissatisfied not getting enough food not getting any security

00:18:27.540 you're going to have a revolution you're going to have a complete mess so yes humans are a strength

00:18:31.760 they're a liability it's not the answer yeah so within every community i always feel like it's up for

00:18:37.460 the communities to find a way to save themselves and when we did our catholic episode we're like the core

00:18:42.920 catholic problem is an inability to motivate fertility among their members that is the core

00:18:48.720 catholic problem and if they can't find a way to change that and this is even true of religiously

00:18:54.760 devout catholics by the statistics as we've shown they're in trouble muslims actually have a different 1.00

00:19:00.920 problem the muslim problem is much more around how to ensure economic and technological productivity 0.99

00:19:10.440 amongst the iterations of their culture that are high fertility because if they don't do that

00:19:17.860 here's what's going to happen you are going to begin to see countries that have been taking in

00:19:23.640 lots of muslim immigrants begin to become politically because many of these lower economic potential high 1.00

00:19:31.520 fertility muslim cultural subgroups do believe they have as this man stated an ethical incentive to

00:19:38.520 ensure that sharia law is the law of the land in the countries that they live in and they are going 1.00

00:19:44.380 to begin implementing that within other countries once this is done basically the first time in a

00:19:51.420 country that formerly would have been a developed world country you're gonna it's gonna be very much

00:19:56.420 like when putin attacked the ukraine where everyone's oh this is actually a threat and then other

00:20:03.120 other countries whether it's the u.s etc are going to have a large political and likely empowered

00:20:09.900 faction within them that believes that they have a political mandate to deal with a population of the

00:20:17.660 muslim population in their country that they believe could undergo this same transformation if it continues

00:20:22.980 to grow and that's where you're going to get real and violent bloodshed against muslim cultural groups 1.00

00:20:31.380 that wouldn't do that that is the real threat within the muslim world where if you're from one of these 1.00

00:20:39.100 more you're like well i'm from one of the more like progressive e muslim cultural subgroups right like

00:20:43.800 one of the more technologically engaged economically engaged fine your biggest threat is the extremist

00:20:51.380 muslims because if they win everywhere there's going to be other factions that assume that you are part of

00:20:59.420 their mandate and that is a unique cultural problem to have catholics have it to some extent

00:21:06.460 because there's definitely catholic groups that follow the the syllabus of errors that we talked about

00:21:12.020 post pious and knights putting out which is basically a catholic version of sharia law that basically says

00:21:18.120 that once catholics reach a certain population was in a country they have a mandate to enact catholic uh

00:21:23.200 religious like a theocracy basically that mandates catholic value systems and so individuals who follow this

00:21:30.840 the reason why this isn't really a threat to catholics is because catholics that are religiously observant are

00:21:36.480 so low fertility that there really isn't a threat of them becoming a dominant political faction in any country

00:21:42.820 or not anytime soon at least uh but if they ever did and they enacted this then every other country would see

00:21:50.240 the catholic minority population as a threat and this is why it is so dangerous culturally to take one of 1.00

00:21:56.620 these stances it like seems really cool and tough and and i have people online will front we want a country

00:22:03.920 that's ruled under my value system and it's like you really don't want that because if you win in like

00:22:09.780 small malta now all of a sudden there's a mandate to get rid of anyone who looks like they might be part of 1.00

00:22:17.000 your culture pretty much everywhere else in the world where you're not a majority yet yeah then you

00:22:21.240 become a threat and this is very similar to your argument about ai when you make it such that any

00:22:27.300 other group will have to eliminate you if you exist then you're going to have to try to eliminate them

00:22:34.320 and we don't want to create a world like that for ai or for different cultural groups and religious groups

00:22:39.640 this is the thing about having a pluralist framing i think so many people see

00:22:43.100 our drive towards pluralism as downstream of still having like latent progressive or urban

00:22:50.060 monocultury values or like aesthetically valuing yeah we want pluralism because it's good and the

00:22:56.640 rainbow faces is such a nice thing to see yeah and that is just very foolish i think we see pluralism as

00:23:04.660 a strategy pluralism especially in a world of collapsing fertility rates where fertility rates are higher

00:23:10.800 often in more diverse countries when you're controlling for wealth as we often point out

00:23:15.160 you look at really non-diverse countries like south korea or japan or china and you see an unusually low

00:23:21.900 fertility rate you look at really diverse countries states and you see unusually higher fertility rates

00:23:26.080 this is likely because believing you have an existential threat um near you not for progressive reasons

00:23:34.980 but like a cultural group that is genuinely different from yours than in competition was yours

00:23:39.120 seems to increase fertility rates i often say that if you one really interesting cultural dynamic

00:23:45.880 that we may see is a certain muslim and jewish populations living side by side out competing other

00:23:52.520 populations in cash adjusted fertility rates because each group and i'm not talking about the type of

00:23:58.280 muslim and jewish populations that don't hate each other i'm talking about the type that do hate each other 1.00

00:24:02.180 that creates a synergistic i actually think that's why both israel and gaza's fertility rates were so

00:24:08.180 unusually high was because they did believe there was an existential threat so much so that it likely

00:24:14.780 offsets in both countries the deaths that will be associated with this particular conflict in terms of

00:24:21.280 the motivated fertility before and after this conflict which is really interesting you know i don't know if

00:24:27.500 it's necessarily out of this drive to beat the competition i think a lot of it is similar to what you've

00:24:32.580 seen with typhoons in southeast asia killing villages where like researchers found that birth rates were

00:24:37.780 higher when you were in a village that was uniquely devastated and saw a uniquely high loss of life

00:24:43.520 so i think there's also just something about birth rates that responds to tragedy where you're just like

00:24:48.300 i need hope i need children you know i hear that but i think that probably the bigger influencer is on the

00:24:54.120 competing cultural subgroup if we lived in a culturally diverse environment and those cultures had no level

00:25:01.280 of antagonism towards each other i do not think they would reinforce the other group's fertility rate

00:25:05.920 i think you need a cultural diversity with a level of uh healthy competitive antagonism i think

00:25:13.760 obviously it can go too far i think that what's going on with gaza right now is obviously at a

00:25:18.740 completely unhealthy yeah we're talking about football game rivalry not we're talking about

00:25:26.220 protestants and catholics in the united states i think that's a good level of cultural antagonism 0.98

00:25:31.840 like a or our podcast probably the way that our podcast sometimes talks about other groups

00:25:36.940 and respect for them existing but i do not trash talking we like trash talking we don't like

00:25:43.440 we don't like raping we don't do that yeah like i i really don't mind being in an environment where

00:25:50.880 catholics talk about like the ways that our family breeds like with ivf and genetic selection and stuff 0.51

00:25:56.020 like that and they're like oh it's horrible you're monsters but they're not coming and killing us i'm

00:26:00.000 like that's a good level of cultural competition there because they're trying to have our kids taken

00:26:04.380 away there's sometimes when the when they go too far no i agree but i don't think that's religious

00:26:08.240 people doing that i think that's the urban monoculture i think the people calling cps are all urban

00:26:12.200 monoculture these are not catholic moms i think the but when i see like the catholics being like oh 0.99

00:26:17.400 you guys are monsters everything like that it motivates me to have more kids and to solidify my

00:26:22.300 culture and to steal my culture because i am reminded that my neighbors are the other or or you're 0.95

00:26:28.780 reminded what you stand for and why you stand for it too i think when people criticize you you socially

00:26:35.180 um are incentivized to question am i right here do i actually want to stand with what i'm standing

00:26:40.840 with if i'm going to catch all this shit for it and then if you do decide that you want to stay 0.91

00:26:45.380 hold your ground you're going to be even more dedicated to your stance because you've thought 0.95

00:26:50.620 through it and you've committed to it despite the cost so i think that's also many catholics are going 0.74

00:26:56.180 to be the same as us they they watch our podcast and they see something that's so culturally distinct

00:27:00.660 from them one it's interesting because it's a unique perspective in the same way that i really like

00:27:04.600 watching like responses to our you know catholic videos because they give me a unique perspective

00:27:08.660 that i have a very hard time emulating like catholic arguments are very difficult for me to emulate i

00:27:14.240 can go through it they'll be like oh this one saint back in this time said giving fellatio was a sin

00:27:20.480 and in in these ways ivf is like fellatio wait there are people comparing ivf yeah i was going

00:27:27.280 through the discord arguments and i was like this is very odd like i i genuinely um but it but it's

00:27:33.360 being discussed in the discord you've got to keep including links to that in yeah it was a very um

00:27:38.900 catholic like way of engaging with it to go back to someone who is a historically respected intellectual

00:27:44.960 and try to apply their reasoning to a modern context and i love that i love that because it's

00:27:52.940 something i never ever would have considered doing myself and so i learned from that but i think that

00:27:58.080 when these people are horrified by us they're motivated to yeah for their own cultural groups i think

00:28:02.220 that this is just the pluralism that we advocate for is not because i think it's good uh that muslims 0.97

00:28:10.260 ban their kids from same-sex relationships i wouldn't do that from for my kids but i don't think i have

00:28:17.440 the right to within muslim families say that they should be handling their family separately and so i think 1.00

00:28:24.180 that because of that uh so long as they are not one of the groups that wants to institute sharia law and

00:28:29.500 we can talk about these groups in just a second because of that i am further motivated to create

00:28:35.380 a culture where my kids can make that choice but building the future means having the kids

00:28:40.180 now in regards to the groups that actually do want to create sharia law and as soon as they become the

00:28:46.880 majority i think that these individuals and keep in mind they don't just exist within muslim populations

00:28:52.760 some exist within for example catholic populations we were talking about the syllabus of eras and they

00:28:57.360 exist within a few different some evangelicals fall into this framework these groups are an absolutely

00:29:03.940 existential threat to our group we do not know how we're realistically going to um deal with these

00:29:12.120 groups like some people in the server were like what are you guys going to do if ivf is banned in the

00:29:18.040 district that you live or in the region that you live and the answer would be travel for it so many

00:29:22.940 people already travel for ivf people travel all the way from china to do ivf in the united states for

00:29:28.180 various reasons people have to travel to the united states for surrogacy as well to do ivf because they

00:29:33.360 can't do it in other countries you just do what and this is the same with issues like abortion this is

00:29:38.980 going to be the same if people ban things like pgtp they're just going basically it means that those who

00:29:44.980 have the means or the dedication to do it they'll still get it done and those who are ambivalent

00:29:50.280 about it won't and will we have enough money to travel to other nations it'll strain us but

00:29:56.700 when we made when we did all our rounds of ivf we literally lived on a mattress in a studio apartment

00:30:02.620 in doral florida like it was fine i think that's what it's going to come down we make it work and i think

00:30:08.980 that's what it means to be an economically productive cultural group in that we're never genuinely

00:30:14.040 afraid of not having money we will always find out how to make something work because we are

00:30:19.480 productive yeah actually that's an interesting theme maybe it deserves its own conversation someday

00:30:24.720 that when people argue that money is the reason why they can't do something that's it really means

00:30:31.000 that they don't have enough dedication to do it um because money has it can obviously make things easy

00:30:36.440 for people who are ambivalent but when you are extremely dedicated to making something happen

00:30:40.780 you make it work regardless of your level of resources yeah but also you can play this out

00:30:45.400 they're like okay yeah but what if they ban like you from coming back if you've done this like they

00:30:49.720 they absolutely yeah because then you're like marked as a murderer of genetic selection from being in

00:30:55.100 your country and the answer is that then people of our cultural group leave this country and if we turn

00:31:00.640 out to be an intergenerationally very high fertility cultural group while maintaining our economic and

00:31:06.700 technological productivity that is a very bad move for the people who have banned us for two reasons one

00:31:13.080 is is that they've lost any productivity that they could have gotten very much like when the nazis scared

00:31:18.000 away all the nuclear scientists to the united states who were disproportionately jewish but then two

00:31:24.480 then you've got people who can be used by groups that hate you to build their nuclear bombs which then come

00:31:32.600 back and hit your country the axis powers they um they put the jewish scientists in the hands of the 1.00

00:31:40.020 americans which built nuclear bombs which then ended up being dropped on japan right like the axis powers 1.00

00:31:46.960 if groups go around and they say anybody who engages with genetics or something like that we're going to go

00:31:54.420 and we're going to exterminate you then what happens then these individuals leave and these individuals 0.75

00:32:01.180 would be a great asset remember when we were talking about some of these competing power 0.84

00:32:05.560 structures that don't mind funding outsiders to a group like saudi arabia or like the uae that might

00:32:12.840 want to fund these types of experiments to uh maybe act on something in the future and if this is just

00:32:19.820 incredibly stupid to do not that we would do that like i wouldn't engage with that sort of stuff but i 0.60

00:32:26.480 suppose it depends on how aggressive the groups are going after me if i feel like america becomes 0.98

00:32:32.140 the type of country where it is always an existential risk to people of my basically cultural

00:32:37.680 ethno group then am i going to want to build defenses to that using the arbitrage that i have

00:32:44.280 and what's the arbitrage that i would always have access to it's genetic technology because 1.00

00:32:49.600 so it's it's just stupid like it's a culturally stupid strategy and there is a reason why you 0.99

00:32:56.900 shouldn't go after the scientists first especially when they have somewhere else to go because then 1.00

00:33:02.120 it's the the enemy of my enemy is my friend thing um exactly which is again a lot of the positions

00:33:09.040 that i think people can misunderstand of ours as being urban monocultury influenced are actually just

00:33:14.660 strategic and yeah because we're thinking long term and they're thinking about like the current

00:33:19.980 conservative social aesthetic yeah we support the things they support just not for the reasons they

00:33:26.020 do sometimes sometimes anyway love you simone i love you too gorgeous and this guy is so based we

00:33:34.560 should have him on sometime if he's open to come on i i love just how he's spitting facts here

00:33:39.800 yeah but not seemingly with malice or hatred or xenophobia it's just matter of fact and i love that

00:33:46.160 this is gonna happen what are you guys talking about it's great it's great good job sir

00:33:51.180 all right bye bye

Based Camp - July 03, 2024

Will Muslims Replace Us？ & What Does that Mean for LGBT Communities

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