Based Camp - April 07, 2026


Wokism’s Achilles Heel Revealed (They Will Turn On Each Other Like Dogs)

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Malcolm Collins Simone Collins
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In this episode, we dive deep into the controversial issue of privilege cards at the NDP's national convention, and how the party is using them to delegitimize the voices of other marginalized groups. We also discuss the implications of the cards, and what the party should do about it.

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00:00:00.000 I think too often we see something like this and we laugh about it.
00:00:03.580 And what we don't see is, oh, oh, that's a trap that we can lay out in the future. 0.66
00:00:10.140 You say, well, as a cis man, I believe that trans women should always be able to speak first due to their oppression was in our society. 0.87
00:00:22.200 You're just going to kick it off.
00:00:23.180 Yeah, you just drop your mic.
00:00:25.360 Yep, yep.
00:00:26.840 And you walk out. 0.96
00:00:28.340 but as a white man you know you can't understand what it feels like to be black and to see a trans
00:00:35.680 woman speak before me and then i say whoa you are right we need to create a table with a hierarchy
00:00:46.900 of oppressed categories and of course i will recuse myself because i have no role in this
00:00:54.580 would you like to know more hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today today
00:01:00.560 we are going to be diving deep into glancing it on other right wing youtubers commentators
00:01:09.620 podcasters there was a sort of viral conference or a series of events at a conference where points
00:01:16.940 of privilege cards were assigned at the ndp conference which is the canadian political party
00:01:22.580 which is in the process of falling apart right now it holds very little power at this point
00:01:26.980 in fighting where one speaker and i won't subject you to too many clips of actually what's happening
00:01:32.820 at the conference because either you have already seen them or they are just so cringed they're a
00:01:38.260 little painful to watch i'm gonna be honest hi akua from pong pronouns she her with the ontario
00:01:42.820 i would like to echo the sentiments of my friend robert here yesterday this card was used in an
00:01:49.620 inappropriate matter and while I understand in Ontario we know this is
00:01:59.400 equity even if that this was also used inappropriate in terms of gender I want
00:02:05.500 everyone to be mindful that these cards for individuals like myself who identify
00:02:10.800 as a black woman have no value outside of this space hey look at that look at
00:02:17.380 that. No shit. Many of us are living in the most oppressive conservative governments across this 1.00
00:02:25.380 country. I am from Ontario. A lot of you are dealing with this in places like Alberta as well
00:02:31.740 as Saskatchewan. To abuse the privilege of this card means that we don't allow individuals like
00:02:38.120 myself with intersections that have been used for unpaid labour to build this party. That means that
00:02:45.680 they go unnoticed and that they are disrespected. I want people to be mindful of what this card
00:02:51.080 means as we continue convention. It's not enough to say that we believe in gender equity and it's
00:02:57.180 not enough to say that we are intersexual and value social justice if we do not model that
00:03:02.180 behavior inside and outside of this space. Thank you. But putting up these various colored cards
00:03:12.700 represent specific social grievances whether it's you know being black or trans or trans and black
00:03:20.560 or you know native or etc etc etc and basically getting upset that people with other cards are
00:03:29.440 getting to speak before them or their card isn't being given enough import there's a point let's
00:03:38.060 hear the point on microphone one. I'm sorry, just real quick, point of personal privilege. I understand
00:03:45.140 there's very little time for delegates to speak, but early on the mic, it's hard as a racialized
00:03:52.920 and transgender delegate to sometimes use this card and speak up, speak to somebody in front of
00:03:58.240 me in line and ask, hey, this pertains to multiple intersecting parts of my lived experience. I'd
00:04:03.400 like to speak. I was rejected when I talked. And it's frustrating when these are my rights being
00:04:10.380 directly under attack right now in Alberta and that a cisgender woman had spoken over me. And 0.58
00:04:18.340 I understand her rights are important too. This pertains to her too. But I don't know. I hope that
00:04:24.940 in the future the federal NDP will also have a broader interpretation of the equity cards for
00:04:30.620 speakers. That's all. Thank you. I will invite delegates to assist me in better using the card
00:04:36.500 by forming a straight, straight line behind the microphone with a prominently displayed equity
00:04:44.660 card. If I see speakers ahead of you who are not holding a card prominently, it would be wrong of
00:04:49.280 me to guess about their gender identity. And I will come to you. This applies so far according
00:04:56.040 to your rules for gender identities other than a dude and so i saw this and a bunch of people
00:05:02.360 were making fun of it on the surface level and i was like well okay i agree that it's funny but
00:05:08.020 what's actually going on here like how is this system developed how is it actually supposed to
00:05:14.380 work what was the intended hierarchy of the cards who decided this hierarchy did any of them storm
00:05:20.860 out of the room yelling at people. And I would say it wasn't just the cards and the points of
00:05:26.360 privilege. There was also an issue with they wanted to give plenty of airtime or at least
00:05:32.680 a pathway for people to express grievances or request for adjustments based on their
00:05:37.620 disabilities. For example, people being like, I have a sensory issue or the translation device
00:05:44.020 doesn't work very well for me. And so because they decided to, I guess, formalize a means of
00:05:49.400 complaining that into public space you know and allowing for like their disabilities to be heard 0.93
00:05:55.240 they kind of demonstrated why maybe it's better to not care because not allow these people anywhere
00:06:01.540 near positions of power yeah because you can't get anything done if you have to hear every single 0.98
00:06:07.200 stupid complaint if you have to accommodate everyone's sensitivities nothing gets done 0.99
00:06:11.620 hilariously by the way this was about electing somebody and they ended up electing a white guy 1.00
00:06:16.800 they did not no are you serious they did they did yeah elected a white guy
00:06:21.980 over 50% of the vote too 53% point of privilege point of privilege right so but I also then wanted
00:06:31.740 to go into so we're going to go over it for this event then what we're going to do is look at the
00:06:36.880 recent history of this stuff like have other events done stuff like this have any of them
00:06:43.700 done it worse have any of them done it better did any of them have clearer delineations between
00:06:48.360 the various discriminated groups for which ones are at the top and which ones are at the bottom
00:06:53.840 so dystopian like i'm so glad i'm a delta i'm so glad i'm an alpha like i go to my little place
00:06:59.900 and i have my square piece of paper that indicates my status and like is this not some kind of sci-fi
00:07:05.180 dystopia well what was even worse about it is the vast majority of the time it just seemed like
00:07:11.140 people excited to show off whatever their quote unquote point of privilege was and not and then
00:07:16.300 make a complaint like this device isn't perfect for my sensory issues instead of actually say
00:07:23.220 something that contributed to whatever was going on at the event right like it sounds terrifyingly
00:07:30.640 bad to be around but okay so what happened i'm gonna start with the big strokes for people who
00:07:36.440 just want to because anyway if you watch your videos and you're like your videos are too long
00:07:40.940 right? Our videos are structured so that you can get most of the takeaway of the video in the first
00:07:46.720 10 to 15 minutes. And then after that, we're just sort of exploring the topic deeper, riffing,
00:07:52.900 talking about family stuff. But I want to try to get the core ideas out there at the beginning to
00:07:58.260 not waste your time so that you can easily hop off if you want to. But what happened was, is going
00:08:05.820 into this conference it had been established that there would be a points of privilege card
00:08:11.420 but only for women okay this was only supposed to be a system for women it was yellow cards
00:08:20.660 that were officially there for women and the way it worked it wasn't like women or people who
00:08:25.940 presented enough like women were given a card as they walked in or something like that there were
00:08:30.460 just piles of cards that any woman could take whenever she felt like taking one and pick up
00:08:36.240 and use to move ahead in the line for speaker positions or to draw particular attention to
00:08:44.540 themselves during a conversation. Okay. Now what happened was, is other people at the event
00:08:52.860 saw women using these and they thought it looked really cool, right? Like the moment they're like, 0.98
00:09:00.460 oh that's so neat so you can just take one of these cards and then complain about how you're
00:09:05.180 discriminated against you could just skip lines why doesn't my group get to skip lines right
00:09:11.820 and so the other cards that you saw were actually made up by other people at the event at the event
00:09:20.960 and they began to make their own wait did did they like go run to some kind of printer paper store
00:09:27.600 and purchase colored stock paper and just yes that is no are you serious no that cannot oh my
00:09:34.540 god they started putting out their special stock paper can you imagine the confusion of like the
00:09:40.400 kinkos or the the office depot or whatever it was like apparently right next to the convention
00:09:44.600 center all these weirdly dressed people start showing up and buying bright colored paper
00:09:49.320 with great excitement and and i get to go be more impressed why are people suddenly buying
00:09:56.700 all of our colored paper and then what made it even worse is at the ontario voting thing which
00:10:04.140 was like a sub voting thing of this and we don't have a lot of information on what went on in the
00:10:08.920 ontario one there had been points of privilege cards for ethnicities lgbt you know indigenous
00:10:17.140 etc so they as soon as they saw other people doing this they're like oh this is just like
00:10:23.900 what we did like back at our convention right so they immediately were like oh let's let's get into
00:10:29.820 this like let's make it happen let's force this to happen and of course you know it graded on every
00:10:35.940 well now trans man when they saw a woman holding up one of these cards it graded on black people 0.76
00:10:42.080 that they couldn't also have a black card you know it graded on so used to everything being about
00:10:47.400 whatever their particular disability or privilege is at the moment they saw and this is important
00:10:51.620 for us to note and remember on the right because on the right i think too often we see something
00:10:55.840 like this and we laugh about it and what we don't see is oh oh that's a trap that we can lay out in
00:11:03.520 the future all you need to do to create the cascade is to allow for one subgroup and this
00:11:13.040 is the key and we'll talk about how you make this work and how you don't make this trap work
00:11:16.880 you've got to allow one subgroup to claim special privileges based on their subgroup status
00:11:23.380 the moment you just everyone else picks on them and they're like a cascade that destroys any
00:11:30.980 leftist event or any of it overly infiltrated by leftists so you know what actually this happened
00:11:36.920 this happened with the election of well the failed botched election of kamala harris in 2024
00:11:42.820 when there was this schism between people deciding who takes precedent Palestine supporters or
00:11:52.980 supporters of black Americans and the black American activists were really up in arms about
00:11:59.360 people being like well Palestinians matter more than black American citizens and black American
00:12:04.060 citizens are like hold on wait what no that's not well we'll actually get to this because when I 0.68
00:12:10.320 tried to find are there any like times when they have established an official ranking of who is the
00:12:18.180 most discriminated to the least discriminated oh like a leaderboard there needs to be a website
00:12:22.160 for this like where you can see the rankings change well no no this is this is another key
00:12:26.260 to to getting progressives is getting them to establish these because typically what they do
00:12:31.340 so first i i guess i'll give away part of the the the reveal here one of the ways that progressives
00:12:37.860 avoid exactly this what happened at this event from happening and this happened at like the
00:12:45.160 wall street protests or you occupy wall street stuff like that right is they did something called
00:12:50.920 a progressive pitch system or something like that but basically what it means is they go over
00:13:01.800 a list of speakers so basically a list of speakers is created and then one of the organizers
00:13:08.340 essentially using their own judgment organizes them in priority based on their own perceived
00:13:17.360 fuzzy hierarchy of oppression right so this way they can not have an explicit hierarchy of
00:13:25.600 oppression like a big game in progressive spaces is avoiding creating an explicit hierarchy of
00:13:31.480 oppression because as soon as you create the hierarchy of oppression groups that thought 0.71
00:13:36.880 that they were on the top before like what happened with the palestinians versus the blacks
00:13:40.700 end up realizing that for most of the rest of the movement they're not actually on the top and they
00:13:45.740 try to exit so oh right no i think we've talked about this in other episodes this idea that
00:13:51.680 all non-cis white groups in the leftist sphere actually aren't really in favor of this whole
00:14:02.980 progressive thing they're really minority interest groups who believe that they're at the top of the
00:14:08.380 hierarchy of privilege yes so as soon as they have reason to believe that they actually aren't given
00:14:13.960 precedent in you know like priority treatment in this world they're not at the very top
00:14:20.060 well then because they're an ethnic or identity supremacist group they will leave that collective
00:14:26.960 and yes and this is the key to winning as a conservative is you have to you know people
00:14:35.400 have seen that we do this with like our videos like the viral you know telemundo interview about
00:14:40.820 like do genes make black people black you know like that that you you have to trick them into 0.52
00:14:48.320 destroying themselves going after them is not the best strategy right it makes it look like 0.99
00:14:54.920 they use their momentum against yeah where they take an insane perspective but one that is you
00:15:01.520 know with enough shibboleths to hide that it's an insane perspective right one of the keys is to
00:15:07.340 shibboleths malcolm shibboleths what do i call them shitlets or something shibboleths whatever
00:15:16.160 you want to call it sweetheart i don't speak you i don't speak your your jew tongue knows words
00:15:22.560 that mine cannot pronounce i'm an american i'm not even gonna just carry on shiblet go on okay okay
00:15:31.880 you're so sweet i really like you anyway so the the trick here that this will reveal as we go
00:15:40.860 through this is trick them into agreeing to create an official hierarchy of oppression,
00:15:48.720 which can be done by giving a right to one group that other groups don't have.
00:15:57.540 And then you create a free-for-all where all the groups want to have this right.
00:16:01.780 And what the organization ended up doing, like at the end of the day, is every one of
00:16:07.360 the points of oppression that you could have mattered equally, right?
00:16:10.860 I mean, you couldn't like double up points of oppression to get transactional identities, right?
00:16:15.540 Because then people would just carry around like five.
00:16:17.300 I mean, I'm sure many did, right?
00:16:18.860 But they all can bump you up one space in the talking order, right?
00:16:22.720 Okay, so people thought that maybe they could layer them, but you can't layer them.
00:16:26.840 As far as I understand, no, you couldn't. 0.72
00:16:28.920 So this basically just meant that white straight men were at a disadvantage and everyone else had the equal advantage, right? 0.73
00:16:37.700 But nobody else wanted that, right?
00:16:39.200 Like they don't actually want a system where, because as soon as you do that, it becomes
00:16:43.380 really clear. 0.54
00:16:43.940 It's like, oh, so this is just a system that disproportionately targets white straight
00:16:48.380 men, right?
00:16:48.820 Like that's the point of the system to disadvantage one fairly narrow group, right?
00:16:55.260 Within a community like that, especially, right?
00:16:58.480 So that's how you win, okay?
00:17:02.840 but i want to get back to and what's really cool is actually the system that they came the points
00:17:10.120 of the progressive pitch system is what it's called to hide this which is to have one person
00:17:15.200 or a small committee do it behind closed doors order people so people don't really know how the
00:17:20.440 ordering was done so college admissions where you submit your application it sort of falls behind
00:17:26.960 this curtain decisions are made you are told that they're made properly and then you have to accept
00:17:32.680 the authority's response yes and in these they often take into account transactional things 0.89
00:17:38.460 where it's like oh you're like gay and black and muslim you know go to the front of the lines 0.98
00:17:44.580 anyway it's like that 30 rock receives his competitor you know a black guy in a wheelchair 0.58
00:17:50.980 and he's just like even back then they knew what was up but when one group and we'll go into the
00:17:58.940 group that did this a bit later did delineate the hierarchy of oppression they only did it
00:18:05.360 ethnically and it already has a lot of problems which was they put blacks at the top then
00:18:11.660 indigenous um which i mean if i was indigenous i'd have a bone to pick with that particular
00:18:17.400 framing yeah what are the indigenous people doing right now the ones that are indigenous people 1.00
00:18:22.700 have been significantly more screwed by history than black i'm just sorry like object base campers 0.50
00:18:27.600 have argued actually that they're functionally extinct just sort of given like that's how they 0.98
00:18:33.580 got screwed yeah yeah i'm well are they screwed if you happen to be indigenous in any sort of
00:18:41.720 authentic sense which most people i mean i think one of the arguments he made was that none even 0.96
00:18:46.700 dream in their native languages anymore and so that's kind of like but there are at least some
00:18:51.480 people who are genetically thoroughly indigenous still not many but some they because they are
00:19:01.360 functionally extinct at this point have the greatest oppression card out there right and not
00:19:08.180 just that but their communities are where they do exist usually incredibly poor because of
00:19:14.920 intergenerational handouts now it is their privilege that caused their poverty as we said 0.91
00:19:19.580 there's nothing you could do that would permanently destroy black communities more than giving out
00:19:24.960 reparations look at any of the large studies like the sam altman study on government handouts just
00:19:30.560 go watch our video universal basic income yeah ubi it it destroys communities we have two videos
00:19:36.500 where we talk about it in that context and the one where we talk about it in the context of native
00:19:39.340 american settlements and what it does if you leave it intergenerationally and it leads to things like
00:19:44.380 you know 25 30 unemployment like 45 opioid addiction rates people need struggle in their
00:19:52.180 life right and and and capitalism actually works towards preserving mental health and if you
00:19:58.680 disagree with this look look at the rates of drunkenness in soviet union states right like
00:20:03.960 they were way worse than in capitalist states right any drug that they could get their hands
00:20:08.780 on in the soviet union they were over consuming so yeah no everywhere we have tried communism 1.00
00:20:14.040 it has led to these sorts of problems well even just like look at nepo babies who've grown up in 1.00
00:20:19.800 excess too right like anyone who grows up in abundance then indigenous americans are above 0.97
00:20:25.980 people of color bipoc and then bipoc are above white people but even there like i think some
00:20:31.980 wait when do you cease to become black and become a person of color though too because like what if
00:20:36.460 you're mixed race you know or what if what if you're like latino you know people of color means 0.96
00:20:42.520 white people who claim to be people of color i think everybody who's got a drop that could claim 0.87
00:20:48.640 to be black in this system is going to claim to be black and then people of color is white european 0.96
00:20:53.820 latinos um you know you you know it i know it come on but let's get into this right there was 0.88
00:21:00.120 an article that covered the event that i think did a pretty good job of it in the national post
00:21:04.500 how the ndp's equity cards turned the convention into a circus
00:21:08.860 canada's new democratic party npd held a convention and elected their new leader avi
00:21:17.000 lewis over three days last weekend the convention made the indeed famous perhaps infamous is more
00:21:22.580 like it and drew attention from across the world all this happened at a time when the party is in
00:21:27.740 its death throes it has lost its official status in canada's house of commons and has a measly six
00:21:33.560 elected members in parliament so it's important to understand that this sort of internal fighting
00:21:38.600 has destroyed this party. We must unleash this cancer in more places to destroy them faster.
00:21:46.220 And if it takes down companies, so be it. The more we can spread the inevitable result of this
00:21:52.480 particular disease, the better. And in our book, The Pragmatist Guide to Crafting Religion, we argue
00:22:00.780 that this is actually an evolved feature of the urban monocultural mimetic virus,
00:22:06.960 which is to say, basically it captures an institution and then it begins to use that
00:22:11.580 institution to more quickly infect nodes within that institution using the institution's own
00:22:16.660 infrastructure, e.g. the HR department and all the quizzes you have to do and all the surveys
00:22:24.340 and all the fear. But eventually once it's infected, almost everyone who's remaining in
00:22:28.660 the institution, it now can't spread, right? Like it's stuck in the institution. So how do you
00:22:34.460 spread well you've got to be parasitoidal in nature that means you have to kill your host
00:22:40.260 and basically once an institution reaches a certain level of infection it becomes
00:22:44.680 completely unable to do anything thrashes around like an insect crawling with worms on the inside
00:22:50.200 and explodes so the worms can now go and infect other institutions right but if you can speed up
00:22:56.500 this process you can make it too virulent and a disease or a parasitoid that is too virulent
00:23:03.540 ends up extinguishing the willing host population as we're beginning to see and we pointed out with
00:23:10.400 black women who were for a long time used as the primary host for some strains of the urban 0.98
00:23:17.400 monoculture are now basically unable to find employment because nobody wants to hire them 1.00
00:23:21.580 there was a 50 percent increase in black female unemployment this last year right so you you do 1.00
00:23:27.180 eventually find a point where you become so virulent to groups and no i'm saying all black
00:23:33.040 women are carriers of the urban monocultural memetic virus. I'm just saying that it used 1.00
00:23:37.980 them disproportionately to the point where now people avoid hiring them. But to continue here,
00:23:43.860 the party's equity card system initially allowed for conference delegates who self-identified as
00:23:50.200 anything other than cis man, i.e. biologically a man, to jump to the head of the microphone
00:23:58.500 and gain speaking priority during policy debate sessions the oh so that the trans men were still 0.87
00:24:05.840 allowed to jump to the front no that's very good that they they knew they knew about that mistake
00:24:10.300 potentially yeah if you've been touched by femininity you are okay it's you are accepted
00:24:17.380 at any point in your life yeah well i mean that would allow like gender queer people and everything
00:24:24.280 like that to play the game as well so okay good you got you got your people the the neon yellow
00:24:29.660 cards caused near immediate problems however and viral video clips of delegates bickering over the
00:24:34.980 card system began flooding social media algorithms on day two of the convention lawyer adrina smith
00:24:41.340 convention chair opened the event on day one by sharing an email address where conference
00:24:46.500 attendants were told to immediately file a report if they felt they were victims of discrimination
00:24:51.100 or harassment on the basis of any protected characteristics such as gender identity smith
00:24:57.060 stated that an quote-unquote anti-harassment officer would quote-unquote follow up directly
00:25:03.120 and provide support so i love they've already created this like we've got secret police at the
00:25:08.100 event everybody be the eyes and ears on everybody else right everybody be primed to feel harassed
00:25:15.840 right? Like you'll get special attention if you end up feeling harassed. So like go in feeling
00:25:21.120 that way. Right. And you know that every one of these fricking Karens, they hear this and their
00:25:27.580 first thought is basically this officer exists for me, right? Like for, for to exercise my will 0.78
00:25:36.920 on everybody else. They're not enough. They're a minion. They are meant to be sent on errands to
00:25:43.080 serve them personally yes yes and affirm them personally well yes but not not affirm them
00:25:50.980 directly force other people to bow down to them you you must understand okay that is the mechanism
00:25:57.400 by the way thoughts simone everybody wants to hear you because you're the smart one before i go
00:26:02.280 further i'm just entranced by this i think you're absolutely right that this if you want to take
00:26:07.920 down an enemy you have to take them down by their own weaknesses by basically allowing them to trip
00:26:13.800 over themselves and this this is a very great illustration of how that can happen it's not just
00:26:20.140 a great illustration it basically lays out how progressives avoid this in some scenarios and how
00:26:27.260 to trigger this particular cascade did octavian come up was he trying to annoy you no easter egg 0.96
00:26:35.880 cunt i'm letting know he can go out and do it with the rest of the kids oh you're very very 0.88
00:26:42.060 sweet simone he's been looking forward to it all day long well because he wants to hang out with 0.91
00:26:47.800 aliyah yes he does aliyah aliyah
00:26:52.300 what a little brat
00:26:58.440 it's his first crush what are you gonna do you know well it's his oldest friend you know and so 0.74
00:27:07.100 i'm gonna hang out do for instance okay so continue here but no i i think you you put
00:27:12.040 the he hits the nail on the head of the most important part of this they are showing how
00:27:15.800 you trigger the parasitoidal moment and how it can be pre how it can be triggered what is it like
00:27:22.380 before it's it's meant to naturally trigger in an infected organism or group
00:27:27.600 But what you're doing here is you're trying to force detonate a bomb.
00:27:31.340 You know, this is, this is, oh, sorry.
00:27:33.140 The word is controlled destination.
00:27:35.100 That's what you want to do with a movement that's dangerous like this.
00:27:39.220 So you, you get in a room with a bunch of people like this.
00:27:42.440 You're a CIS guy, right?
00:27:44.100 So of course you are at the bottom of the totem pole, right?
00:27:49.520 And so what do you do, right?
00:27:51.160 How do you, how do you handle this?
00:27:52.880 You say, well, as a CIS man,
00:27:56.260 i believe that trans women should always be able to speak first due to their oppression 0.83
00:28:05.080 was in our society you're just going to kick it off yeah you just drop right yep yep and you 1.00
00:28:11.240 walk out we'll let the fuse now it's just waking it you just got to wait for it to snake its way
00:28:16.500 oh my gosh and then if somebody else says well hold on malcolm but as a white man you know you
00:28:29.960 can't understand what it feels like to be black and to see a trans woman speak before me and then
00:28:36.280 i say whoa you are right we need to create a table with a hierarchy of oppressed categories
00:28:46.940 if the entire point of something like a point of privilege system is to ensure that a more
00:28:52.880 oppressed person is more centered then all of you who have had an internal experience of oppression
00:29:00.120 shouldn't you be able to sort this out and of course i will recuse myself because
00:29:07.600 i have no role in this conversation yeah no your your white man voice
00:29:13.060 just throw them to the wolves it's like when the emperor would like throw money at crowds to watch 0.83
00:29:22.560 them fight over it well of course someone in this room is the most depressed well someone has to ask
00:29:29.700 So, like, was this a matter of people going to the local printing store next door to this convention center and buying their own colored cardstock?
00:29:39.880 Or was this a troll handing out additional pieces of colored cardstock and saying...
00:29:46.240 Oh, no! I know these people in their heads so easily.
00:29:49.980 They see some trans woman up there speaking or some woman up there speaking, and they think that they should be in the most oppressed group in the room, 0.62
00:29:58.840 and they are just moldering especially because like imagine you're one of the quebecis and you 0.97
00:30:05.460 know well at the last conference you had cards that you could use right so why 0.99
00:30:11.720 i don't care them quebecs quebecers they're not people come on they're not going to be here in a 1.00
00:30:19.140 few years anyway they have a terrible birth rate i think one of the lower fertility rates in france 1.00
00:30:23.920 um in canada whatever they never should have been allowed in this country in the first place 0.99
00:30:31.280 you will never give the french a chance you're never gonna give the french a chance i know it 1.00
00:30:38.340 is it is my culture doesn't matter if they're in canada it doesn't matter if they're in france
00:30:43.740 it doesn't matter if they're in some african country you're like no you're out cheese eating
00:30:49.740 surrender monkeys we love cheese how dare you i do like cheese but i don't like cheese i i i
00:30:58.280 we've talked about this in another episode but like genuinely i only like didn't like the french
00:31:02.700 performatively at first because if you're from texas you know like culturally you're supposed
00:31:06.160 to pretend you hate the french it's just one of those things that like everybody proved it
00:31:10.120 pretends performatively they hate the french in texas it's like a texas thing but like hilariously
00:31:15.840 i have since been to france on a number of occasions and they are easily i mean without 0.59
00:31:21.820 any close competition the most unpleasant people on earth parisians specifically i've heard that
00:31:29.500 there are pleasant french people outside of paris but um and i will note i may like make fun of new
00:31:35.600 york and stuff like this and like new york is falling apart but like people in american major
00:31:40.740 cities like new york and san francisco are predominantly pretty decent they may not be
00:31:45.820 our reputation is just for being very loud and very friendly and yeah that that is that is like
00:31:51.960 known is that we're like hi and we just talk with people all the time and like you don't see that in
00:31:57.060 france especially not paris you don't see that in germany for sure you see it more in germany than
00:32:02.860 in in in any other european country that i've seen no people are people are fairly they're more
00:32:07.840 friendly in in the uk than they are in germany more friendly in germany disagree well our comments
00:32:17.620 can argue about this i i didn't see it as a big difference i mean i definitely think it's debatable
00:32:21.700 uk versus germany you can't be like oh nice weather today if you're like checking out at
00:32:26.580 groceries in germany they look at you like you've committed a war crime don't even don't even the
00:32:35.260 difference is that i guess you don't have the chance to in the uk because it's just some 0.97
00:32:38.660 beleaguered immigrant running one of those like auto checkout lines you know you won't find someone 1.00
00:32:44.640 running the cash register anyway so well i mean it actually comes down to something that we've 0.78
00:32:49.460 talked about in other episodes where i think one of the worst social tactics that you can
00:32:54.860 allow to be normalized is people attempting to raise their social status by shutting down other
00:33:02.020 people's excitedness or excitement about an idea or i don't i don't think that's what's going on
00:33:08.000 in germany it's just like this is inefficient this is not the place for it it's really not
00:33:13.140 about it is it is what's going down in paris right like oh sure yeah or like when you try to speak
00:33:20.040 french in in france and they just kind of are insulted that you've butchered their language
00:33:24.500 it's very different than when you try to speak japanese in japan and they just literally can't
00:33:29.300 understand you because white people don't speak japanese they're like what they're so funny
00:33:36.760 because simone speaks some very fluent japanese in terms of accent and everything because she grew
00:33:41.740 up there partially and said when we had the japanese news crew here and she answered the
00:33:45.560 phone in japanese and they they freaked out they were like i'm calling for simone can you put her
00:33:51.500 on the phone they yeah they actually did acknowledge that i it's different when they're
00:33:56.520 abroad if you speak Japanese to someone who's Japanese and they're outside the country they're
00:34:02.020 like wow whereas if you're in the country they're like I'm sorry I don't speak English 0.97
00:34:08.640 it's great whereas yeah you're definitely insulting the French by even trying which is 0.85
00:34:15.780 great I mean that's I think that's why it's extra great that you just butcher their words
00:34:19.220 because you're just feeding into the stereotype this it's a it's a it takes two to tango right
00:34:24.700 you know, they need men like you to demonstrate that Americans shouldn't be allowed to speak
00:34:29.140 French at all, you know? Right, right, right. But I mean, actually, interesting point, by the way, 0.97
00:34:35.040 if you're talking about a culture that has never fully integrated, like we talk about, well, if you
00:34:40.060 integrate into American or Canadian culture, then you're American or Canadian. The French never 0.98
00:34:44.040 really have. Quebec is still culturally very different from the rest of Canada, linguistically 0.96
00:34:48.880 different from the rest of Canada. And the regions of the United States that were French settled
00:34:54.180 like louisiana are still culturally quite different from the other parts of the united
00:34:59.280 states and i really only think that it is tolerable in the united states because it's
00:35:04.460 such a small population yeah like if louisiana was a significantly larger population in the
00:35:09.880 united states i'd be like yeah we need to we need to have a conversation people really speak
00:35:14.520 french in louisiana anymore i don't think there's no but they they're different culturally
00:35:17.820 they have nothing more different culturally than in other places i would doubt i doubt that
00:35:25.700 yes they are absolutely okay i haven't been so i couldn't say they they are like and especially
00:35:35.040 along the metrics that people like you and i find distasteful they are by far the most mystical
00:35:42.700 subpopulation in the united states um like mysticism is an important part of like everyday
00:35:48.580 happenings for many native louisianas and i find that very distasteful that doesn't have a place
00:35:56.080 in america it's funny that one person saw how like materialist and anti-mystical we were and
00:36:02.440 they thought that that was like in alignment with the urban monoculture whereas to me the urban
00:36:06.460 monoculture is incredibly mystical and and because like to us it's like far to the left of us on
00:36:12.980 those things and then these people are even further left than that where they're just like
00:36:17.060 full-on woo and crystals and but you know their own brand of it but anyway to continue here
00:36:22.000 we have a collective responsibility to make sure that all of our party activities are safe
00:36:29.600 said smith these words seem to be set set the tone of the conference as one of a war between
00:36:36.380 oppressed groups each wanting to claim that they've been wrong or discriminated against in
00:36:41.020 some way it encouraged delegates to view others suspiciously as strangers who might be covert
00:36:47.040 bigots who could cause them harm it certainly worked okay what did he say how do we trigger
00:36:53.760 this in people we have a collective responsibility to make sure that all of our party activities are
00:36:58.780 safe that's a good one to throw out there and then all signal also this yellow card which is
00:37:06.260 available at all of the microphones smith said on day one this is a way for a delegate to signal
00:37:11.920 the chair that they have a gender identity other than man and this allows you to exercise priority
00:37:18.120 in the speaking order we will come to you they should have just done it so that people didn't
00:37:22.640 misgender them that they would just lose use they them pronouns or something oh no but that happened
00:37:26.940 like there is this scene where one of the people holds up a card a non-binary person okay holds up
00:37:33.080 the card claims a point of privilege misgenders the person they're claiming the point of privilege
00:37:38.000 to the the madam speaker and then the madam speaker has to explain to them that they were
00:37:43.300 just misgendered and explain that this was all agreed upon before the proceedings started and
00:37:48.740 it only covers gender anyway less than two hours into the day party members could be seen on camera
00:37:56.760 adding additional color cards in neon blue and pink the microphone stands the up to the stand
00:38:06.560 so they basically made a chill card and put them up at the stand this apparently caused confusion
00:38:12.780 among delegates who begin to use the cards to identify as members of other equity seeking groups
00:38:17.220 based on race or disability for instance on day two smith told the audience i want to be clear
00:38:24.560 that at your convention the equity card applies to gender equity i really love this though this
00:38:32.180 because this again i hate the there's no such thing as equality because it's always equality
00:38:37.220 based on something that is subjective either you know equality of of need of merit of wants it of
00:38:47.840 of deserves it of has had the most trauma of is of this privileged class is the most popular
00:38:55.400 like there's no such thing as equal and this shows that like well I want my equality and I want my
00:39:01.220 equality and it turns out that no because equality means privilege and when people talk about equity
00:39:07.260 what they're talking about is I want a bigger slice of the pie and I know that if I use this
00:39:12.040 word, somehow I'm going to get it. I just, oh, this is a great illustration of it though.
00:39:17.280 Equity is the opposite of equality. Okay. An equitable world is a world that is definitionally
00:39:25.340 unequal in terms of effort to resources. All right. It's a world that says, if anything
00:39:36.120 impedes your effort to resources journey or even potentially could we have to rig the system in
00:39:43.160 your favor anybody who says they want equity is saying they want fascism they are saying they
00:39:53.820 want to strip you of your rights and you shouldn't for a second be confused about what that word
00:39:59.160 really means i i think there's a funny meme of this or something where it's like what equity
00:40:07.360 means and it's you know the three different people trying to look over the fence at a baseball game
00:40:11.540 and the the reality is it's the the tallest person has their legs chopped off so they're the same
00:40:17.100 height as the shortest person the next person has their legs cut off that much they're the same
00:40:21.200 height as the shortest person and this is true everybody has to go down to the height of the
00:40:25.280 shortest person because you you you cannot like if you are raising one person that has to come at
00:40:31.900 the expense of other people who are producing more and that only comes from lopping down other people
00:40:39.720 right but what i love here is he goes this is the decision that you collectively made those delegates
00:40:46.080 from ontario might remember that at the ontario convention we use the cards more broadly for
00:40:51.160 members of all equity seeking groups i'd encourage you to consider that as we move along towards the
00:40:56.780 future that we all deserve basically saying he's referencing the ontario one here but basically
00:41:02.580 being like look we voted on this is only going to be about gender at this convention so on the last
00:41:08.620 day of the convention shane has happened on the last day of the convention a white day guy comes
00:41:12.580 up of course this white guy and says hey what if we make this multiple cards thing official and
00:41:19.580 every time somebody uses their card, they have to explain how that disadvantage or point of
00:41:26.120 privilege is relevant to the talking point that they are about to make. Come on, this was a troll. 0.82
00:41:32.460 This was a troll. How is he not a troll? That is where I'm just like, and it got voted on. So, 0.90
00:41:37.660 you know, hopefully it'll be in there next year because it would have made things so much worse
00:41:41.940 because they're all going to want to say it before they have to say anything. They're all
00:41:47.340 going to want to say it but now they have to explain why it's relevant i'm not i'm not going
00:41:56.440 to keep reading here because i think we covered all the important points was a really big one
00:42:01.580 being that that the other big trick in this is to get them to create hierarchies as soon as you can
00:42:07.600 do that you've won right because then when they realize they're not well yeah as soon as is one
00:42:11.780 group yeah yeah and this is really true of particularly the most self-interested groups
00:42:18.540 so where the hierarchies are really busting of the coalition is trans people a hundred percent
00:42:26.480 believe they should be at the top always black people a hundred percent believe they should be
00:42:31.720 at the top always and is black people who are actively participating in this which i want to 0.63
00:42:37.500 argue you know there there are lots of black people who do not buy into this yeah yeah and
00:42:42.140 there are also i would say fewer but there are 100 trans people who do not buy into this political
00:42:47.240 ideology who are just living their lives and then finally islamists they 100 think that they're
00:42:54.300 actually at the top they think all of progressivism is really about promoting muslim values 0.79
00:42:58.920 yeah would you would you say that there are subsets like there's the palestinian supporting
00:43:04.720 islamists and then there's just islamists because i feel like there's one set that
00:43:09.780 doesn't understand what palestine is about at all and then there's another one that
00:43:14.700 like understands the larger goal of islam and is actually like believes is an adherent of the
00:43:24.560 religion and then there's other people who just like literally don't understand and just
00:43:28.940 listen to Hamas propaganda points and are not themselves Islamic.
00:43:33.520 So the branch of Islamists that likes these people is in the Palestine faction 100%.
00:43:41.020 There are many Muslims who are not of this category that you talk about, right?
00:43:46.760 In America, they generally vote conservative.
00:43:49.500 They're generally Republicans.
00:43:51.280 And they're generally afraid of these groups.
00:43:53.500 There was recently one of the leaders of Qatar was speaking recently.
00:43:57.340 and let me say this in English so you can understand what I'm saying no I know you have
00:44:04.620 translation but I'm I just want to make sure you get it right there will come a day that we will
00:44:13.680 see far more radical extremist and terrorists coming out of Europe because of lack of decision
00:44:24.500 making trying to be politically correct or assuming that they know the middle east and 0.90
00:44:32.980 they know islam and they know the others far better than we do and i'm i'm sorry but that's pure 0.98
00:44:40.100 ignorance and he said in about 20 years there is going to be a rash of violent muslim terrorists 0.94
00:44:51.860 And it's because of Western woke countries not cracking down where they should have. 0.99
00:44:58.620 And most Muslims see this. 0.99
00:45:00.760 They understand that the Muslims who support Palestine are terrorists who want to kill the sane Muslims as much as they want to kill the rest of us, right? 0.99
00:45:11.320 And if you don't have any sane Muslim friends, like seriously, go out there. 0.99
00:45:14.320 like we live in an area that's that's got a heavy muslim population that is predominantly 0.96
00:45:21.080 sane muslims right and it's because of where they come like i'm gonna be honest most of the crazy 0.99
00:45:26.700 muslims come from like one of three fairly small areas but their branch of islam has been adopted 0.99
00:45:34.420 by the wider progressive cause yeah so that yeah the point is not to be suspicious of someone just
00:45:45.760 because they're muslim it's to be suspicious of someone no no no be suspicious of someone 0.69
00:45:50.280 because they're muslim trust but verify right you know like oh god i was gonna say like if they're 0.98
00:45:58.300 muslim and staunch progressive political activists that's that's a pretty clear red flag
00:46:04.620 but yeah i mean basically you want to don't make them say i like israel right like that's not the
00:46:13.880 way you you you're like okay of the various political groups battling over the middle east
00:46:20.400 right now which one are you for right like uae saudi arabia iran or one of the other groups
00:46:27.620 like the the hussies or the al-qaeda or the you know isis and there's acceptable answers there
00:46:35.140 right if they say saudi arabia they're they're still a little sus they could be wahhabis
00:46:41.220 if they say uae they're generally fine if they say qatar be super sus if they say
00:46:49.060 any of the terrorist groups or iran you know you're dealing you're dealing with a situation
00:46:57.600 there right well i mean because i feel like people people in iran themselves are actually not
00:47:05.440 extremists in general no no generally persian immigrants to the united states
00:47:11.580 hate iran like i actually don't know if i ever met an iranian who likes the current iranian
00:47:17.060 government yeah that's the weird thing we gotta jump on our next podcast but funny funny side
00:47:22.760 note about like the trait i always see in iranians like i joke about iranians all the
00:47:26.980 time on this podcast but the number one trait and i i don't know why i haven't said this on
00:47:30.620 the show before that i always associate with iranians in the united states is they more than
00:47:36.480 any ethnic group i have ever met love nightclubs and clubbing i have never met another group that
00:47:43.480 can go to nightclubs like multiple nights in a row right they've evolved for it they have evolved 1.00
00:47:53.200 for it they have like tolerance for the poison it's it's part of their dna we gotta run we gotta
00:47:58.900 run gotta run okay bye i just sent you the link don't worry it will be okay
00:48:08.220 i mean i shouldn't say that i can't guarantee that everything will be okay
00:48:16.580 people who say that are not to be trusted i'm so curious because the moment i saw people making
00:48:25.120 fun of this i wanted to understand what is this system how do you get the cards is there a desk
00:48:32.860 that hands out the cards do you make up your own cards what is this what does point of privilege
00:48:38.960 mean i have there are just so many things that i need to know
00:48:42.160 because i mean normally in left-leaning circles point of privilege or at least the term privilege
00:48:53.080 is a derogatory term right you need to check your privilege your white privilege etc right
00:48:58.420 so why would someone want to
00:49:01.180 pair a card associated presumably with privilege with a right to speak
00:49:11.380 like point of privilege minority card right they were saying things like that which implies that
00:49:17.300 they like the privilege the privilege is good it is a privilege to be a minority
00:49:22.060 but then how how can you be oppressed if it's a privilege i
00:49:25.640 please tell me you have answers all right so i will jump right in yes and for dinner tonight
00:49:34.100 what are you thinking kyoza fantastic love it would you like me to thaw out more kyoza lasagna
00:49:41.380 yeah you mean would yeah would you like me to thaw out more steak for subsequent nights yeah
00:49:47.240 i'd love that especially cooking it however you made it the last time you made it where i think
00:49:51.660 you might have cooked it a bit more to render the internal fat better it made it a lot softer
00:49:55.260 i seared it longer yeah yeah it's a really good strategy oh that's a cute kid look at him he's
00:50:01.960 wiggling and worming now he's got things to do he has strong opinions he his toes are of great
00:50:08.000 interest right now he's trying to eat them sir for alternate an episode i really wanted to do
00:50:17.020 was one american versus all of iraq sorry all of iran but simone thought that that had been
00:50:22.720 covered to us i'll see if i can find i want to find more information on why his jet went down
00:50:27.080 that that was not covered i thought that was going to be covered in the ethnical take
00:50:30.680 hmm yeah so getting a good idea of how that went down yeah was it gunned down or was it something
00:50:38.580 and you're dancing for the baby chicks
00:50:47.840 they think it's pretty special
00:50:52.360 Be careful you don't fall off the chair
00:51:04.540 Wait can I see the picture of me dancing?