Based Camp - Women's Personality Sub-Types (Alpha-Beta but Women？)

00:00:00.000 This is where trad wives can get really dangerous because, you know, we support one form of trad 1.00

00:00:04.260 wife that we'll talk about in a second, but trad wives who are more interested in the aesthetics 1.00

00:00:08.360 of the trad wife and embodying the aesthetics of the trad wife, they are incredibly dangerous 0.97

00:00:14.100 because they do not actually care about the best interests of their partner or their kids.

00:00:18.440 They believe there is an aesthetic way to be a good wife. And so long as they are embodying

00:00:24.400 this narrative aesthetic ideal, they are a good wife, regardless of what the evidence says.

00:00:30.680 And when I say evidence, regardless if their husband's unhappy, regardless if their kids

00:00:35.720 are sad, regardless if their husband is spending his meager salary to uphold this fantasy that

00:00:41.140 they've created for themselves, they do not care. Would you like to know more?

00:00:45.280 So we recently did an episode where we were talking about archetypes of men outside of just

00:00:52.040 a simple beta alpha male, because I think that many men optimize around different frameworks.

00:00:58.100 And what I really don't like about the beta alpha sigma thing is it implies that all men

00:01:04.240 who are followers are somehow like the lesser category. Whereas I don't think that that's

00:01:10.100 true. There are different ways you can be a follower. As we point out, you can be like

00:01:13.620 a knight, you know, you don't need to following orders. Being a dentologist is sometimes a useful

00:01:19.120 way to view the world when you are fighting for a just cause, but you are not the person

00:01:24.740 leading the troops. And you have the humility and personal strengths to recognize that you are not

00:01:32.140 fit or just didn't happen to be in the right situation to be the person leading. But that

00:01:37.740 doesn't mean that you're not meant to play a role or that you are lesser. And so we go over that.

00:01:42.060 And then Simone was like, well, what about women? How do women fit? Like, and I don't even know 0.99

00:01:45.880 if I've heard like an alpha beta, whatever thing was women. So, so how- 1.00

00:01:49.780 Yeah. It's more like, are, are they like, what number are they out of 10? Are they a mid? Are

00:01:54.740 they tri-life? Are they progressive?

00:01:56.120 If we're going to build like a framework for women that follows this, this male framework that 1.00

00:02:01.920 we built, let's go into this. But I also think it's interesting to us because we realized as we

00:02:06.800 were building the framework for women, well, a lot of this also kind of applies to some types of men 0.99

00:02:10.620 too. And so it can help people recognize when they're falling into dangerous character tropes

00:02:16.800 and types. So do you want to start us off, Simone?

00:02:20.420 Yeah. I mean, I think this is going to come to mind for most people. So if you're watching this

00:02:24.840 and you're thinking about types of women, maybe one of the first types you're going to think of is 1.00

00:02:28.440 girl boss. And I think this is because like when women stand out, it's often because 0.98

00:02:33.260 they are the bossy one who has to be the smartest in the room, in charge of everything. I'm going to

00:02:39.880 tell you how it is. Even if there's someone more competent than them in the room, like, no, no,

00:02:43.680 no, they cannot have that. Like often I think their oldest, their eldest siblings. So they're

00:02:48.060 just used to taking command. And they're just like, no, they kind of have that, like, I know better,

00:02:52.360 but also they, they often are in positions of like leadership or power or whatever.

00:02:56.960 Very different from male King archetypes.

00:02:59.340 Yes, they are.

00:02:59.940 I think is, is very interesting. They often come across as much more insecure and their goal isn't

00:03:07.180 often to be a good leader, but to run things because they believe that everyone else is

00:03:13.260 incompetent or not able to run things as well as they are.

00:03:17.260 Well, I really wonder what's going on here. A common complaint on this, you know, like where

00:03:21.680 this happens with both like female stars and with female executives of like, oh, well, when I do it, 1.00

00:03:29.020 you call me a bitch. But when a guy does it, he's just doing his job, right? Like, oh, 0.96

00:03:34.140 so I'm grumpy in the same way or with the same energy often.

00:03:38.100 Well, but it's hard. Like, is it because the pitch of the, the female voice is higher?

00:03:42.880 So, I mean, I wonder that, but I mean, I also, I feel intuitively the same way, you know, like I,

00:03:47.440 I make the same judgments and I just wonder how much of it is societal or maybe, maybe it's just

00:03:54.060 that like women are doing this from a place of insecurity because they're just not as comfortable 0.97

00:03:58.320 fighting in that sphere. I, I just don't know. Like, I mean, when I look back at some female 1.00

00:04:04.600 leaders, however, like historical accounts of Queen Elizabeth, Cleopatra, Catherine the Great,

00:04:10.420 I don't get a girl boss feeling from them, to be honest. Um, it's, there's a different archetype 1.00

00:04:14.940 and we'll go and talk about that.

00:04:16.160 They were not that archetype.

00:04:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they, they were, they were also acting from places of a lot of security

00:04:22.600 and honestly, masculinity, girl boss that we, we chose the term girl boss for this because there

00:04:28.760 is a distinct girlish and feminine element to it. It's not a masculine bossiness.

00:04:34.480 I would point out here that you can have men who fall more into the girl boss category than the 0.81

00:04:40.520 king category.

00:04:41.240 100%.

00:04:42.200 You can have, although it's much rarer for women to fall more into the king category than the girl 1.00

00:04:47.640 boss category. The core difference here between these two categories,

00:04:52.140 is I would say it's that they are working to like the girl boss is much more in the category of

00:05:01.520 type A personalities. They are working for perfection and, and perfection of action of

00:05:08.660 the organization and of what they are running and not working for a, a, a, the community and not

00:05:18.280 working to, to lead or to earn respect, earning.

00:05:22.020 It's about having things their way. It's less about having things the right way. It's their way

00:05:26.420 is the right way.

00:05:27.880 Right. Well, and this is one of the things with, with, with Kings that is very different is,

00:05:32.200 is Kings are often primarily motivated by two things. What I'd say is earning respect,

00:05:38.300 but the other is an inability to take orders from other people at a level of personal pride. It's not

00:05:46.620 that they had trouble taking orders from other people because those orders are bad, which is

00:05:50.820 typically what the girl boss, the girl boss problem is, is that they look down on other people so much 0.96

00:05:54.860 that they just can't trust the orders of anyone else. Right. Uh, whereas it's a fear of being,

00:06:00.400 putting oneself in a subordinate position, which is one of the core weaknesses of this King archetype.

00:06:04.960 Um, one of the core weaknesses of the girl boss archetype is it's just not a particularly good

00:06:10.940 archetype for actual leadership. Like it works really well at high levels within bureaucracies,

00:06:18.100 but it is fairly bad at actually running things of agency. So it's a skill that is really meant to

00:06:24.680 rise to high positions within bureaucracies, but often not achieve real world efficacy,

00:06:29.780 which different female archetypes are good at, which she pointed out was like, 0.97

00:06:35.660 we'll get to like that, that we'll get to in a second. Did you have any other thoughts on this

00:06:39.320 one? No, no. And I think that most people already have a lot of thoughts on this because it's also

00:06:45.580 like such a thing in social media, but it's already something that's been, it's a dead horse.

00:06:49.720 I guess the core final thought I'd have on this that I want to really pull out

00:06:53.040 is this idea of when a woman is a leader versus when a man is a leader. And as the girl boss, 1.00

00:07:00.100 are you embodying, you know, the stoicism that the King archetype is often embodying? Are you embodying

00:07:06.820 the sort of, and they just often aren't, there isn't a level of, of mental calm or a sort of aura

00:07:14.960 of protectiveness that they are emitting? It is an aura of agitation, which is they,

00:07:22.600 they misunderstand. They're like, why would I am emitting this constant aura of agitation? Are

00:07:26.960 people not relating to me in the same way that they are relating to people who are projecting

00:07:31.420 protection and endurance? Well, not even just protection, just like security.

00:07:35.960 Yeah. Security. Um, and, and women can learn to do that. And men, like, like you often see this

00:07:43.900 with, with alpha men, not alpha men, what am I looking at? Like type A men, right. Uh, where they

00:07:49.520 will project this sort of insecurity and skittishness and it's, it comes off immediately. And it, it, it,

00:07:56.280 they too get insulted and degraded in the same way people of this girl boss category do when they are 1.00

00:08:03.360 trying to, and this is a problem. And this is where you really see this archetype is when people in

00:08:07.780 this type A personality type to try to dethrone or try to replace or upstage people in the king

00:08:15.340 archetype. They end up looking very sort of weak and reckless. Yeah. Not ideal. All right. What would

00:08:24.300 you say the next one is? So the next one that we discussed this morning that came up immediately was

00:08:29.040 supplicant. So Malcolm, you want to walk us through the. Yeah. I know a lot of

00:08:33.300 women who fall into this trope and it is less a trope I see with men, but it's, it's definitely

00:08:37.680 when I see it as women, although it is, I've seen it like memed on for men, right? Smithers. 0.53

00:08:44.000 What is it? Smithers. Yeah. The, the supplicant to Mr. Burns. Yeah. So, but I think so interestingly,

00:08:50.100 and this is interesting is hold on. Smithers is seen as like kind of pathetic, right? But like Mr. 0.83

00:08:54.860 Um, uh, there are Pepper Potts who is a supplicant, although like framed is sort of ironically

00:09:01.820 eye-rolly, Oh God, I'm so much better put together. Right. Like they sort of changed her

00:09:05.660 from a supplicant to a girl boss, but anyway, Pepper Potts. Mercy Graves with Lex Luthor.

00:09:11.780 Yeah. Like, but like sort of this. Mercy Graves.

00:09:14.640 Trope is more seen as like respectable, like a woman who, who assists a man and devotes her career

00:09:20.280 and gains her power from basically representing the man as a proxy or the powerful person. And now I'm

00:09:26.060 many supplicants we know, by the way, aren't just supplicants to male leaders. Many supplicants we know

00:09:30.640 have worked with and for very powerful female leaders, politicians, et cetera. So like, I'm not

00:09:35.520 saying this is a gender thing. It's just that like, it's, but this concept of a woman assisting other 0.99

00:09:40.680 people and acting as their proxy is much more respectable for women in media and tropes than 1.00

00:09:46.200 for men, obviously. Yeah. Which is interesting because in the other category we're talking about

00:09:49.900 where men talk typically have an advantage was this trope. Whereas in this one, women typically have 0.98

00:09:54.560 an advantage when they take this pathway in life. Supplicants are not, by the way, usually focused

00:10:01.220 on their partner. Uh, they usually focus on whoever the most powerful person in their circle or life

00:10:07.820 is, um, and dedicate themselves to that individual. And this can change throughout the course of their

00:10:13.380 life. They don't have the type of true loyalty that somebody who is like a lifelong follower of

00:10:18.740 their partner does, which is a different category we'll get to later. They are more just interested in

00:10:23.400 who's the alpha, like the true number one, big Chad in my life, in my world. And I will dedicate

00:10:30.360 myself to be a soldier of that individual. It's honestly, typically a pretty respected trope.

00:10:35.340 And these individuals do not necessarily make bad wives. I've seen really high quality wives who 1.00

00:10:40.480 follow this trope and they will, you know, they, they make a ton of money for their husband.

00:10:44.640 Women who follow this trope, if they are competent, typically are even higher earners than the alpha 1.00

00:10:50.600 types. Well, and some are supplicants to their husbands, right? Some are the assistants to their

00:10:55.040 husbands. So no, rarely, rarely, rarely in the, in the modern world, your husband would need to be

00:11:01.460 extremely powerful for a supplicant to be a supplicant to her husband, because usually if 0.99

00:11:06.600 their husband is like moderately powerful, like the supplicants we know, he gives them access to even 0.99

00:11:12.440 more powerful men and women that they can dedicate themselves to the supplicants. Yeah, fair. Yeah. So

00:11:17.460 there is a benefit in it being outside the marriage. Well, it's not a benefit. It's just an

00:11:22.440 inevitability if they're not like locked in at home, but I have not seen of the supplicants. I know I

00:11:28.120 have never seen one cheat on their partner who are women. And this is something that people might be

00:11:32.160 surprised about. They might think the supplicant archetype is one that is likely to cheat, but

00:11:36.260 actually usually not because they're pretty high honor driven. They're very similar to like the male

00:11:41.860 knight archetype, but they're much more focused on a single individual, but they're also much more

00:11:47.380 likely to be dentologists and obsessed with honor and integrity. And they look for that in the

00:11:52.880 individual that they act as a supplicant of. And so that person making a move on them or something

00:11:57.540 like that to them would lower that person's standing within their eyes. And so you don't see the same

00:12:04.160 risk that I think an insecure guy might think he's dealing with if he has a supplicant spouse. 0.54

00:12:09.920 Yeah, fair enough.

00:12:12.160 And okay. So, so would you say?

00:12:15.160 Yeah. Like if I were a guy, I'd probably rather marry a supplicant than a girl boss. 1.00

00:12:20.460 So what's the difference between a supplicant and a knight in guys? Because guys can take on

00:12:24.880 female-y tropes and women can take on male-y tropes. What would you say is the core differentiator

00:12:29.680 here?

00:12:29.960 That, yeah, that it rather than, I think guys, even if they are following someone like Jordan

00:12:37.500 Peterson or Elon Musk or whatever, make it about a philosophy and less about the person. Cause I

00:12:43.560 don't, I think from a pride standpoint, it's harder to be seen as serving a particular leader.

00:12:47.960 I agree. I think that's the core difference is the male category here is serving an ideology or a

00:12:54.840 community, whereas the female iteration is serving a strong leader within that community. 1.00

00:13:01.260 Yeah. That's my thought.

00:13:03.740 So you can have men in this category as well. So what would you say is the next trope? This is fun.

00:13:08.500 Come on.

00:13:10.260 So you called the next trope brown shirts and it, what this describes is that, and this is a trope

00:13:18.100 that's been around for a long time, but in sometimes it has many different faces and it appears in

00:13:22.140 different places, but that kind of busy body, social policing woman who works very hard to 1.00

00:13:30.580 impose her social norms on you. So the girl boss is really just trying to have things run her way 1.00

00:13:37.720 and everyone doing things her way. Whereas the brown shirt is trying to impose cultural views,

00:13:43.600 values, and norms upon you in a larger group.

00:13:46.680 The classic brown shirt examples would fall into two categories for people. I'd say the classic one

00:13:52.920 is a woke person would be a classic brown shirt, like a woke person or an Antifa member or something

00:13:58.060 like that. And then the other category would be like the trad cast, whatever wife who's like trying 1.00

00:14:04.520 to impose her cultural value system and hierarchy on, and things that rank you within that hierarchy

00:14:10.440 was in people, was in other hierarchies. And that they're really obsessed with these internal

00:14:15.120 hierarchy battles. And what drives the brown shirt, the reason they wake out of bed every morning,

00:14:21.440 the thing that they are most focused on is their status within a local status hierarchy

00:14:28.480 that is controlled and mediated through social shaming of not following the rules or norms of a

00:14:36.300 community. And why I think this is a useful category is because often people only see it in the groups of

00:14:44.840 their enemies. They don't, one, how at a lower level, it can be useful. Like there is useful in sort of

00:14:51.780 norm setting within a community and women who see it as their job to lightly shame other people. But when 1.00

00:14:56.440 you get too many brown shirts within a community, then you get virtue spirals in which a lot of women 1.00

00:15:02.480 just dedicate themselves to outdoing, outdoing, outdoing, being the most, the most, the most,

00:15:07.080 and constantly looking for these small failures to meet community standards in outsiders. And that

00:15:15.520 there is not particularly any difference between the woke Antifa woman who's screaming about you not

00:15:22.660 fitting X value set when you are not part of her cultural group than there is. But, you know, the,

00:15:28.980 the Sunday school mom who's screaming at somebody who's clearly, you know, not of her community,

00:15:34.420 that they're not following her community standards and, and, and shaming them. And you'll know when

00:15:39.080 you interact with these people, this, the, the, I'm holier aspect. It's not like if you're a part

00:15:43.160 of their community, they're pleasant to interact with because constantly showing you that from the

00:15:47.720 perspective, art, I'm actually the superior one, regardless of what they've achieved. This is what's

00:15:54.040 really interesting. And what's uniquely feminine about this is it is a form of status hierarchy that 1.00

00:15:59.460 they are obsessed with that is completely social and completely disconnected from any sort of real

00:16:05.820 world efficacy or achievement or bettering the community. Yeah. Right. Um, tries to better the

00:16:12.880 community by, or even a supplicant tries to better a community by doing things that help individuals in

00:16:18.320 that community or elevate the leader of the community. The brown shirts are genuinely pretty

00:16:23.820 unconcerned with what's in the best interest of the community. Their concern was how stringently

00:16:29.520 the community follows the rules, how much people outside of the community are following those rules

00:16:34.140 and how they can utilize that to raise their status vis-a-vis other people.

00:16:40.260 So they believe, they believe that what they're doing is what the community needs. Of course,

00:16:44.960 if they were talking to you, they would tell you that they're absolutely helping. I just find it

00:16:49.200 interesting that there really isn't a male equivalent, like someone who's imposing, um,

00:16:54.900 sort of like annoying norms on other people or being sort of like a Nazi about things is,

00:17:00.940 is either probably going to be a knight or a... I disagree. I think there is a male equivalent.

00:17:06.660 Really? Yeah. Huh. Like...

00:17:09.900 So I see them very frequently. It was in like the fitness community. I see them very frequently.

00:17:15.040 I just see them more as knights because they're just like fanboys for like weightlifting or whatever

00:17:19.720 sport they're... So consider the difference between a brown shirt and a knight, right? Like a great

00:17:24.360 example here would be like, okay, you are dedicating yourself to the fitness community and you're trying

00:17:28.640 to elevate the community, right? Right, right. You would make like logical arguments on behalf of

00:17:34.100 the community. Consider when we have pissed off the fitness community and they've been like, oh,

00:17:38.080 Malcolm's, how much can he lift? How much can he, you know, I'm like, I'm not part of your

00:17:42.840 community. I'm not part of your value hierarchy. Why are you judging me by your community's value

00:17:47.500 hierarchy? Or the individuals who, you know, see our channel and they're like, oh, Malcolm doesn't

00:17:51.720 look manly in X and Y way. Therefore I can't follow him or I can't take him. These are individuals who

00:17:58.620 are imposing a value hierarchy that I am not subscribing to and not competing within to me

00:18:05.160 in an attempt to shame me into falling into their community and value hierarchy. And of course,

00:18:11.160 as soon as I do, then they are above me in that value hierarchy because that's the hierarchy

00:18:14.680 they're using to judge their value. Men do this all the time. I'm actually very confused that you

00:18:19.300 are so surprised just to see how often men do this. Within the red pill community, I see this all the 1.00

00:18:23.880 time. I guess I just saw them more as knights because I see knights as, as sort of following a

00:18:29.200 big philosophy, but all this is all arbitrary stuff anyway. No, it's, it's not arbitrary at all.

00:18:33.800 It's a really big difference. Knights are fighting to, uh, I mean, our categories are arbitrary,

00:18:39.720 just like, you know, my, no, no, but the point I'm making it is not arbitrary at all. So consider

00:18:46.400 brown shirts are almost always toxic to their own communities. Knights are almost always helping 0.98

00:18:52.240 their own communities. So look at the red pill community and you can understand why it's actually 1.00

00:18:56.960 really important to draw these distinctions. And they are not arbitrary at all. A red pillar who is

00:19:02.540 a knight will go out there and they will do something like build an organization that is

00:19:08.580 meant to help men in legal battles for child custody and where there's unfairness in there,

00:19:13.560 or they will try to create an organization, um, that is meant to help men dating, or they will try to,

00:19:20.340 a brown shirt will do almost the exact opposite of that. They will police community norms. They will

00:19:27.560 go around on message boards and say, this is what high status was in our community. This is what

00:19:32.440 low status is within our community. Look at this individual who's not following community norms

00:19:36.900 enough. Look at this individual who is following community norms enough. And they will also attack

00:19:42.180 people outside their community. So if you consider even like attack comments in a different video,

00:19:47.060 right? Like suppose you have a brown shirt versus a knight in the red pill community, 1.00

00:19:50.980 watching a video that is attacking that community. The knight will create a logical argument as to why

00:19:56.720 that person is wrong. The brown shirt will create a, an argument that denigrates the individual they

00:20:02.900 are attacking for not value set of their community. Obviously the brown shirt is doing nothing but 0.98

00:20:09.340 angering the public at their community. Like they, they achieve nothing by saying you outsider don't fit

00:20:15.080 our value hierarchy. It's like, obviously I don't fit your value hierarchy. I'm not competing there.

00:20:19.600 Brown shirts are always a negative. It doesn't matter if they're men or women. And I would actually say

00:20:26.620 that brown shirts are one of the least gendered of all of these archetypes and one of the most 1.00

00:20:31.360 holistically negative of all of the archetypes. Now I see the distinction you're making. That is

00:20:36.540 helpful. Okay. Next one, which is probably, should we save our favorite for last? Probably. So we'll go on

00:20:43.580 to signalers. Yeah. Signalers are different from brown shirts in a surprising way. So brown shirts

00:20:50.540 are very interested in signaling to outsiders and using community status to signal their position

00:20:58.140 within a local community hierarchy. Signalers are primarily motivated by signaling to themselves

00:21:04.820 that they fit a particular narrative that they associate with either a life well lived or a good life.

00:21:12.700 So it's less about getting other people to do things that they think are appropriate and more

00:21:17.960 about having other people see them a certain way. So it's still kind of coercive and that like,

00:21:22.700 it matters to them what other people think of them. No, it's about seeing themselves in a certain way.

00:21:27.140 So they really don't care what other people think then.

00:21:28.960 No, they sometimes care. Sometimes they, and this is a really interesting thing about signalers

00:21:34.380 is sometimes they really want to see themselves as the type of person that other people see a certain way,

00:21:40.720 even when other people don't see them that way. So I'll explain what I mean here. And as soon as I

00:21:46.980 explain it, people will be like, Oh my God, I have seen somebody do this and it's so obnoxious.

00:21:51.100 This is the type of person who you'll get stuck in a conversation with. And it's very clear that

00:21:56.520 they want you to think of them as like a wise mentor figure or something like that. But you have

00:22:01.340 been ignoring them the entire conversation. You are just looking to get it over with because you're

00:22:05.660 looking to raise money from them or something, or you're looking, but, but you are there patiently.

00:22:09.820 Now they actually don't care what you think, not in a meaningful sense. They're, they're using you

00:22:17.100 to masturbate their internal narrative as a wise person who outsiders go to for advice. They, 0.90

00:22:23.880 they are not actually, and they don't like, if you question you would like, do you really care that

00:22:28.220 this person actually just isn't paying attention to you? And like, I don't know, you're on a Skype

00:22:32.240 with them and they're, they're searching through Instagram or something just for, huh? Yeah. Wow.

00:22:37.060 That's fascinating. So that's, that's honestly a more, a less damaging iteration of the signal or

00:22:43.260 personality type. The more damaging iteration of the signal or personality type is, or the most

00:22:49.040 damaging I'd say is the narcissistic mother. Because many mothers. Oh God. Yeah. Okay.

00:22:55.700 Yeah. These are women who, when they are interacting with their kids are using those kids to masturbate 1.00

00:23:02.980 a narrative that they are the perfect mother and they are not particularly interested in how the 0.74

00:23:09.460 way that they are treating those kids is actually affecting those kids or leading to outcomes among

00:23:13.860 those kids. The most extreme example of this is a mother who has been challenged by proxy, who

00:23:18.580 really loves seeing herself as a caretaker. And as their kid gets older and no longer needs like

00:23:23.300 diapers change, they find some way to make that child sick so that they can continue to be

00:23:28.780 the caretaker. That's terrifying. I don't even know if I say that's the most extreme example.

00:23:33.740 What's the most extreme example? Oh my God. That's the scariest thing in the world.

00:23:37.960 Eight passengers is a great example. What happened with that family? That was a mother who didn't 1.00

00:23:42.820 actually care about being a good mother to her kids. She cared about seeing herself as a good

00:23:47.180 mother to her kids. Well, she wasn't systematically poisoning them. At least there were that.

00:23:52.440 Well, I'm just pointing out that there are lots of different iterations of this. And yeah,

00:23:57.360 you have the Munchausen by proxy thing and stuff like that. But then you also have

00:24:00.640 people like the eight passenger situation where it's very clear that her parenting strategies,

00:24:07.040 they are not evidence-based. They are aesthetic-based. They are based around her aesthetics of what a

00:24:13.760 good mother is like. And even when she saw it destroying the lives of her children, even when 0.99

00:24:18.940 she saw her children leaving her face, pulling away from her, building up basically camps to

00:24:23.580 deconvert her kids after they left the family, she still had no level of introspection. She just

00:24:29.480 went deeper and deeper and deeper because for these individuals, the interesting thing about

00:24:35.380 signalers is there is no consequentialism to what they're doing. It genuinely does not occur to them

00:24:41.900 to ask what actual outcome will this have? They are completely obsessed with the aesthetics of the

00:24:49.580 way they are performing a role. And this aesthetic obsession destroys family units often. And it is

00:24:57.580 really dangerous. This is where trad wives can get really dangerous because we support one form of 1.00

00:25:02.740 trad wife that we'll talk about in a second. But trad wives who are more interested in the aesthetics of 1.00

00:25:07.300 the trad wife and embodying the aesthetics of the trad wife, they are incredibly dangerous because they

00:25:13.640 do not actually care about the best interests of their partner or their kids. They believe there is an

00:25:18.540 an aesthetic way to be a good wife. And so long as they are embodying this narrative, aesthetic ideal,

00:25:25.740 they are a good wife, regardless of what the evidence says. And when I say evidence, regardless

00:25:30.900 if their husband's unhappy, regardless if their kids are sad, regardless if their husband is spending

00:25:37.000 his meager salary to uphold this fantasy that they've created for themselves, they do not care.

00:25:42.520 Well, so then let's get to the important part. Let's say that you are looking at a wife and she

00:25:47.780 seems like a trad wife. I mean, like the problem is these people are often very good signalers to

00:25:53.180 an outsider, right? Like, so how would a guy know if he is accidentally marrying someone who is going

00:26:00.920 to be toxic in this way versus someone who's actually just going to be a devoted wife who 1.00

00:26:05.560 really is, who cares about outcomes, who cares about the impact of what they're doing?

00:26:10.360 Well, I mean, I suppose talk through it with her. You know, if you're talking through like,

00:26:15.960 how do you decide between X and Y way of punishing kids? How do you decide between X and Y way of

00:26:22.220 raising kids? If they're just like, well, this is the X religions way of doing things or X cultural 1.00

00:26:27.760 traditions way of doing things. They are very dangerous.

00:26:31.200 So you're looking for someone who makes evidence-based decisions. And if you can't find

00:26:34.500 proof that they make evidence-based decisions and that they will change their behavior based

00:26:39.380 on evidence, then you know, to be afraid. Yeah. Or at least some sort of logical chain

00:26:45.120 other than this is just the way people who are good Christian wives do things. And that's where 1.00

00:26:53.580 they become really dangerous because they believe and they're like, as long as I am doing the X,

00:26:59.260 the aesthetic of a good Christian wife, it doesn't matter if my husband is miserable and broke and in debt,

00:27:04.840 I am a good Christian wife. I am good. I am not responsible for that. And these individuals are

00:27:09.960 incredibly dangerous. And I should note, so a lot of people hear this and they go, wow, you're much

00:27:13.700 more negative on the female tropes than you are on the male tropes. Why is this? I go, do you not

00:27:18.620 remember that we named all of our daughters like gender neutral or masculine names? We have multiple

00:27:23.640 videos where we talk about, like, I do not believe modern femininity is healthy. And as we pointed out,

00:27:29.220 women can embody these masculine tropes as well. And I think that women are genuinely better off

00:27:34.480 embodying masculine tropes. They are not the unique sphere of the masculine. They are just often the

00:27:40.840 emotionally healthier tropes. And they are the tropes I think men gravitate towards more in our

00:27:47.960 society today than they might have historically, because the gender differences in men and women

00:27:54.080 and women gaining disproportionate power within our society, which they have right now, has led many of 1.00

00:27:59.360 the more emotionally healthy, i.e. trying, i.e. sacrificial tropes to be uptaken by the downtrodden

00:28:05.980 class, which is what you typically see in a society. And then so they're becoming more masculine tropes.

00:28:10.660 But historically, I think that these were often seen across genders in much more equal numbers,

00:28:14.740 and that you really didn't have, like, it was understood that most of these tropes that we are

00:28:18.280 now labeling as feminine, were actually just seen as bad and everyone knew they were bad. 0.98

00:28:22.500 But in the name of not being totally negative on women, we do have, I would say, the final female

00:28:29.300 trope or type that we separated out in terms of what we most commonly see, I would say is more

00:28:35.220 positive than any single male trope out there. Because this, it, what we're about to describe

00:28:40.560 is kind of like the best of both knights and kings all together in one package. And this is what we

00:28:47.380 will call the viking woman. So what is the viking woman? I call her the shield wife. The shield wife 0.97

00:28:52.740 or the viking woman, but doesn't necessarily have to be a wife. So what is this? And everyone, I think,

00:28:57.640 has encountered women like this, both in media, for sure, but also like in the real world. These are 0.96

00:29:02.780 women who are extremely devoted to their, their group. This could be an ideological group, but more 0.99

00:29:12.220 commonly it is like their kids or their family or their husband or a combination thereof. So

00:29:18.380 common tropes of this are like that incredibly strong willed, like somehow manages to make

00:29:24.020 everything work, makes holidays amazing. Single mother who's working with very little income and 1.00

00:29:28.780 very few resources, but who have kids that she is just like, her world is for them. It is the,

00:29:33.720 it is the actual real devoted trad wife who does everything she can, you know, to like homeschool 0.97

00:29:39.520 her family, you know, with seven kids and, and to, you know, be there for her husband and to just

00:29:44.500 give everyone the best education possible, you know, despite this not being an easy thing to do.

00:29:49.620 This is, you know, the, the member of a larger extended family who's able to secure a really,

00:29:56.320 you know, high paying job and then manages to almost single-handedly carry that family,

00:30:00.720 sending remittances across borders to take care of elderly relatives in other nations,

00:30:05.620 to fly out and take care of them, to do all these things while also, you know, having a husband

00:30:10.020 and raising a kid and doing a really good job with it. Like, so these are incredibly strong

00:30:14.160 women. These are the people who I think of when, when I think of amazing female leaders like Queen 1.00

00:30:19.440 Elizabeth, like Catherine the Great, like they, these are people like, so Catherine the Great

00:30:23.700 wasn't really that great of a mother. She wasn't really that great of a wife, but she really cared 0.92

00:30:28.400 about Russia. So, you know, she was the shield woman for Russia and, and she really cared about

00:30:33.240 making it a great nation and it gave her a huge amount of resolve and confidence.

00:30:37.600 What are your thoughts on this?

00:30:38.440 I agree with everything you said, but I would not agree that these women who you're labeling 1.00

00:30:41.800 here are shield bearers because the core aspect of the shield bearer woman is she is a woman who 1.00

00:30:47.180 makes the, the safety and security of a small group of people, her personal responsibility,

00:30:53.880 but it is key that it is a small group of people.

00:30:56.920 I don't know if the small group of people or it is a company, the women like Catherine the Great

00:31:02.380 or Elizabeth or stuff like that. Many of these women are actually just either King archetypes 0.95

00:31:08.400 or Signaler archetypes that happen to have a positive understanding of their role.

00:31:15.740 Huh.

00:31:16.000 So if you look at Victoria, Victoria, right?

00:31:20.280 Queen Victoria?

00:31:21.320 Yeah.

00:31:21.680 Queen Victoria was a Signaler, but I don't think she was a really great leader.

00:31:25.580 She was, she was obsessed with, with seeing herself as, as a mother to her kingdom and 0.98

00:31:31.640 everything she did was about masturbating that particular signal. This, you know, or the 0.96

00:31:36.940 Virgin Queen archetype.

00:31:38.200 Okay. Now you're referring to Queen Elizabeth.

00:31:40.320 Oh, Queen Elizabeth.

00:31:41.040 Queen Victoria was a Signaler and she was all about propriety and having her family look a 0.90

00:31:45.380 certain way and having her look a certain way. And she was incredibly in love with and devoted

00:31:48.400 to her husband, but she didn't necessarily make life easier for him.

00:31:50.920 And Queen, I still see Queen Elizabeth II as, as being a shield wife for her nation. Yes, 0.93

00:31:59.720 she saw herself as that, but I think she also really acted on it in a way that led to her

00:32:05.640 amazing reputation. I think what, what makes a Signaler...

00:32:09.920 ...about an extremely tight control of her narrative, which is because she was a Signaler.

00:32:14.480 She was not, you, you admire her, so you are unwilling to see that she had a view. So this

00:32:22.460 is the way monarchies typically worked historically, is they raised Signalers, but they tried to create 0.80

00:32:29.360 a narrative archetype that was beneficial when these individuals attempted to embody it. And

00:32:35.040 many Monarchs fall into this Signaler archetype where, especially female Monarchs, where they

00:32:40.680 have been given a good image of what it means to be a queen. And then they do everything they can to

00:32:46.620 embody that good image from a personal narrative perspective of what it means to be a queen. A

00:32:51.820 great example of this was the last queen, Queen Elizabeth. Complete Signaler.

00:32:56.460 No, man. No, she's different. She does, she falls outside these tropes and it's because I think

00:33:00.840 she's extremely autistic.

00:33:03.180 I don't think so.

00:33:04.120 Are you kidding? The horse obsession? No, she is extremely autistic. 1.00

00:33:07.180 She was autistic. I don't disagree with that. But everything she did was about filling a personal 0.99

00:33:12.940 narrative of what a queen should be. And it was not for consequentialist reasons.

00:33:17.820 It was about the rules. It was about the rules.

00:33:21.220 That is what Signalers do. They follow the rules, Simone.

00:33:24.240 But I don't think she had to see herself a certain way. In fact, in many cases, she did things to follow

00:33:30.400 the rules in a way that made her look terrible and the way that she didn't want to be seen.

00:33:34.260 Explain. Give an example.

00:33:38.080 Policies that she made with her sister and other family members' marriage choices made her 1.00

00:33:44.640 pretty unpopular. The way that she dealt with Princess Diana. 1.00

00:33:50.260 Was that not all? This is not a good argument here. Was that not all about following the rules

00:33:55.960 that she thought a queen of England and a member of the royal household was supposed to uphold?

00:34:00.300 I think a lot of people were telling her that this is unpopular stuff that's making her look bad.

00:34:05.920 It doesn't matter. And this is the thing about Signalers, okay? Signalers don't care about what

00:34:12.220 other people really think about them. They care about what they think other people should think

00:34:16.980 about them. It is very, very different from somebody who's in a popularity context, which is a

00:34:23.000 brown shirt. Brown shirts care about what other people actually think about them.

00:34:27.080 They think about people of their community and their value system. Signalers don't. They care

00:34:32.300 what other people should think of them by their estimation. So I think that you're missing it. I

00:34:38.120 think shield bearers are very unique in that they are always a local targeted community. It could be

00:34:45.180 their extended family. It could be their immediate family. It could be their company. If they're,

00:34:51.000 you know, we're working on some small company or something like that, but it is never,

00:34:55.400 or it could be their end group, but it's never larger than like 12 or 15 people because they are

00:35:01.800 very, very community focused and focused on the efficacious stability of that community. What I mean

00:35:08.840 is that, you know, if you look at a Signaler mom and you see one of her kids really suffering,

00:35:14.060 she would be like, I don't care. I'm following the rules. It's their fault that they're suffering.

00:35:20.300 Right. Whereas a Sig, whereas a shield mom or wife would care. They'd be like, why is that individual 1.00

00:35:27.400 suffering? What am I doing wrong? And I think that this difference shows where people like Elizabeth

00:35:32.280 were signalers and not shield bearers. If her country was suffering, but she felt she was following

00:35:38.160 all the rules. She'd be like, what are you doing? That's wrong. I'm following the rules. I don't need to

00:35:43.020 change. She would never change based on the effects it was having on other people, which is the core

00:35:48.840 difference between the shield bearer and Sig. Okay. Queen Elizabeth II did show intense reticence to 0.95

00:35:53.900 change tack when clearly what she was doing was not working. So that's a very fair point.

00:36:00.640 Anyway, I love you. I'm sorry to be so harsh on your heroes here.

00:36:04.100 Oh, she's, I wouldn't say Queen Elizabeth II is a hero of mine, but I do love autistic women in 1.00

00:36:12.360 leadership positions. Autistic women. 1.00

00:36:15.180 Autistic women. Yeah. I mean, got to support. 0.52

00:36:19.860 You're a, you're a autistic wife. 1.00

00:36:22.340 Thank you. Wonderful husband.

00:36:24.280 I wonder how many different armchair diagnoses we can get for you. You are not autistic. By the way,

00:36:29.840 Malcolm is not autistic. Not even remotely. He does not show.

00:36:33.820 It's sort of a fundamental misunderstanding of this person acts socially weird versus

00:36:37.660 understanding actual psychiatric conditions when people say I'm autistic. Wow. You're just like

00:36:41.880 dumb. I'm sort of on the opposite spectrum. 1.00

00:36:45.380 Yeah. You're more. Yeah. So like I'm, I'm on the autistic spectrum. Malcolm is more on the

00:36:48.800 schizoid spectrum and that he like models other people a lot, like more than the average person,

00:36:53.520 but he's definitely not on the autistic spectrum. Also like in terms of like, he has no food or

00:36:58.920 texture sensitivities, no sound sensitivities, no transition trouble. He doesn't, you know,

00:37:04.380 like none, none of the classics are there. Um, you are not neurotypical though.

00:37:09.020 Very easy idea. Uh, very easy time when I'm talking to somebody telling what they're thinking.

00:37:14.080 Yeah. Which a lot of people are surprised by because they're like, well, then why did you offend

00:37:17.640 them? And I was like, because that's how I got what I needed to get out of them.

00:37:20.540 No, the, that's the really, really funny thing is people assume like, oh, well, if you model other

00:37:24.020 people, you know, you're going to be like, you know, a Bill Clinton or whatever, like, you know,

00:37:27.260 like some person whisperer. And it's the, here's the thing. Malcolm does not give a shit about you

00:37:33.120 and he doesn't think very much of you. And that's why he says tone deaf stuff. It's because he does 0.99

00:37:40.140 not respect you. And that is so harsh. And everyone has to believe and feels compelled to believe

00:37:47.800 that. No, no, no. It must be that he is autistic. It must be that he doesn't understand me enough. 0.98

00:37:54.440 Like no one would ever be that insulting toward me in knowingly. No, sorry guys. That's Malcolm is

00:38:02.000 because you know what, quite frankly, and I'm so sorry, but he is smarter. He is smarter than you.

00:38:10.160 He does know better. Oh, I'm so sorry, but it's true. He's smarter. He's clever. He's thought

00:38:17.500 through this before he's researched this more than you have. And he finds your pomp is pontificating

00:38:22.780 to be incredibly tedious. So of course he's going to start looking away and then he's just going to

00:38:27.080 walk away from you without saying goodbye. Oh my God. You hate it when I do that sometimes

00:38:31.400 when I'll talk to somebody and I'll tell that they're dumb. And then I just start looking and 0.99

00:38:35.880 like walk away in the middle of a conversation. Yeah. Because when I go to an event, I'm, I'm the

00:38:41.960 most dishonest person in the entire world. I'm looking happy. I'm looking typically somewhat

00:38:46.360 comfortable. I'm looking interested in the conversation. The whole time I'm in more excruciating

00:38:52.580 pain than you are. You're experiencing boredom and frustration. I am like, my hand is on a

00:38:57.020 stove and that stove is on full power. And I am like, but you say, and you're like,

00:39:03.120 you can see it in my eyes. The moment somebody says something dumb or like the signals that 0.90

00:39:07.860 they're like, I don't really care that my eyes just immediately go like, start wandering around 0.60

00:39:12.240 the room. Yeah. It's, it's, it's just looking for who I need to talk to next. I'm standing there

00:39:16.860 until I get out. Oh no, I'm going to be the worst politician ever. I'm so glad we're running you for

00:39:23.760 Oh God. This is a, yeah, that is going to be a really interesting challenge. What are we going

00:39:27.040 to do with like all of the people who you don't find sufficiently smart and interesting?

00:39:31.900 Maybe eventually society will be able to respect and understand that they might not be as efficiently

00:39:36.840 interesting to talk to me. Well, we actually talked about this and you know, I guess this is

00:39:40.560 kind of closing in on the theme of funny tropes and silly categories, but I want there to be a trope

00:39:44.940 for a politician who absolutely and openly hates his constituents, but who does such a good job at

00:39:52.840 making their lives better that they just love him. And they always put him in and they're like,

00:39:56.280 yeah, and he's like, I hate you. You're like, I will be efficient and, and affable enough to be

00:40:07.020 disregardable. Yeah. But what I like about you, Malcolm, is that you express on the outside,

00:40:12.500 what I feel on the inside often, except that also in social situations, I'm just in searing pain and

00:40:17.240 I want to run away. So it's hard. So anyway, I love you to death, Simone. And thank you again for

00:40:22.640 being the perfect shield wife for our family. Thank you for being the perfect king for ours. I love you.

Based Camp - February 07, 2024

Women's Personality Sub-Types (Alpha-Beta but Women？)

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