Based Camp - Women Self Medicating to be Horny： Is This a Good Thing？

00:00:00.000 So the NY Times also did an article on this.

00:00:02.240 But like these husbands, like, so like the wives are like both very argumentative,

00:00:05.720 suddenly very aggressive and like mean, but then like, like ravenously hungry for them at night.

00:00:11.500 So they're like, I wouldn't want that.

00:00:12.660 I don't know if I'm happy or not happy. 0.95

00:00:14.260 Like, I'm getting sex, but she's mean. 1.00

00:00:18.680 You know, like, what do you prefer? 0.96

00:00:21.000 She commented afterward that she had recently reduced her levels.

00:00:24.840 I had to take mine down because I was humping everything. 0.81

00:00:27.680 Pewter sentences them to death by snoo-snoo. 0.95

00:00:33.620 Yeah. 0.58

00:00:36.420 I wouldn't want that.

00:00:38.120 I wouldn't want it.

00:00:38.840 You don't want me to be meaner, but I don't want it. 0.97

00:00:41.320 What are you, gay? 0.77

00:00:42.500 So I mean, I, I, I don't want either. 0.96

00:00:45.280 The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.

00:00:48.580 I don't want to waste a bunch of time on sex.

00:00:51.020 Would you like to know more?

00:00:52.460 Hello, Simone. 0.69

00:00:53.720 Simone's going to be running this one to me. 0.99

00:00:55.100 And she, this morning was like, oh, I have an episode that I've outlined on women who 0.96

00:01:02.260 are taking drugs to like make them hornier and want like sex or arousal all the time. 0.94

00:01:09.860 And I heard this and I was like, wait, what the heck? 0.75

00:01:13.120 You have to tell me more about this.

00:01:14.720 And you know what she told me?

00:01:16.060 She goes, no, I won't tell you now.

00:01:18.940 You have to wait until all of our fans hear about it.

00:01:23.220 And so I've had to wait all effing day to hear this story for your sake. 0.75

00:01:29.440 So you can get my freaking reaction. 0.81

00:01:31.580 Yeah.

00:01:32.360 Well, because at the end, I want, I want everyone's take.

00:01:36.000 I want your take. 0.79

00:01:37.120 And I want like our base campers take on whether this is a good thing, like whether the pursuit

00:01:45.200 of high female sex drive is worth it. 1.00

00:01:48.300 Something that we should want for society, something that women should want to cultivate 1.00

00:01:52.760 or that we should laud women for cultivating or if it's not. 0.99

00:01:56.380 But I think there's an interesting debate to be had there.

00:01:58.320 And I think that's really the core of this, but I really want to go in to actually like

00:02:02.120 this movement of women that is all about it.

00:02:05.860 Because as much as we talk about everyone becoming increasingly sexless, there's this

00:02:09.840 subset of women who are all about sex and will go to great lengths to stoke sex drives. 1.00

00:02:15.580 Who, where, what do they do? 0.85

00:02:17.420 Simone, so I never end up around this community of women. 1.00

00:02:21.340 I need to know everything about where they are and how to find them.

00:02:24.580 Well, there's, there's a lot of them and, and, and they're, they're taking everything

00:02:29.140 from, have, have you heard of, let's see, Phil Ben Sarin, Phil Bansarin?

00:02:35.420 No, I've never heard of Phil Ben Sarin.

00:02:37.040 Well, they're also taking that.

00:02:38.520 They're taking that.

00:02:39.160 They're taking testosterone.

00:02:40.160 Of course, there's also the women who are just going off birth control to do this, but 1.00

00:02:43.200 you can actually tell how much this is trending because it's showing up in a bunch of New

00:02:48.320 York Times articles and I'll, I'll refer to three of them.

00:02:51.180 But I think even in other New York Times articles that we've covered, like the one on that woman

00:02:55.500 who's like post-divorce and like having all these like liaisons with men and complaining 0.71

00:03:00.580 about how they weren't pursuing her enough, you know, that there was within the subtext

00:03:05.080 of that, this very sex positive, very sex voracious, like why aren't men desiring me? 0.96

00:03:10.380 I need to get more sex.

00:03:11.440 Like, why is this not happening? 0.99

00:03:13.420 And there's something there.

00:03:14.900 And I think we need to talk about it, but let's start off with Viagra for women. 1.00

00:03:20.020 Because the, the gateway article on this issue that got me really thinking about it is, is

00:03:26.420 about what's equivalent to it's, it's being sort of marketed as the, as the Viagra for

00:03:30.820 women. 0.81

00:03:31.120 It's a medication called Philbin Sarin that it's, it's branded as, is Addi and it's marketed

00:03:38.620 as, as the, the little pink pill by a woman named Cindy Eckert, who herself became famous

00:03:45.400 for basically integrating pink into every aspect of her life.

00:03:48.180 Like her house is a full of pink and her hair is pink and her clothing is pink. 0.99

00:03:52.180 Her closet is pink.

00:03:53.300 Everything's pink.

00:03:54.280 And there's even a 2025 documentary.

00:03:57.260 Just like your childhood room, by the way.

00:03:59.320 This is saying this derogatorily.

00:04:01.180 You know, yeah.

00:04:01.700 And I liked, I liked pink.

00:04:03.000 I liked feminine stuff. 0.91

00:04:04.400 Hot pink too, by the way.

00:04:05.800 Oh yeah.

00:04:06.220 Like, like heptobismol pink.

00:04:08.220 And that's also very much her pink.

00:04:10.300 But there's even this year, a documentary coming out about this medication.

00:04:15.380 I can send you a preview for it after this.

00:04:17.360 Just, you can take a look at it.

00:04:19.000 I'll link to it in our, in our show notes for. 0.81

00:04:20.920 So it's a pill that makes women horny. 1.00

00:04:22.900 And now there's like sub communities that are forming around it.

00:04:25.680 Well, so it's a little more interesting than that.

00:04:28.140 Actually, Cindy has been trying through her company, Spark, Sprout Pharmaceuticals for

00:04:34.060 10 years to promote Adye.

00:04:37.000 It's a drug that she didn't like invent or discover.

00:04:41.160 Someone actually told her about it and was like, Hey, you should try to make this a thing.

00:04:45.440 And then she threw her, her pharmaceutical company marketed it and finally got the FDA 0.97

00:04:50.780 to approve it and then sold it to a larger pharmaceutical company, which then incorporated.

00:04:56.160 And then she managed to get the company back and now she's pushing it. 1.00

00:04:59.360 But anyway, so this, so this, this, this, this, this medication that she got turned on

00:05:05.300 to by this random guy.

00:05:07.260 Oh, and by the way, the New York times article is titled a pill for women's libido meets a

00:05:11.500 cultural moment.

00:05:12.320 A decade ago, Cindy Eckert struggled to convince skeptics about a drug for pharmacy or for pre 0.96

00:05:17.900 menopausal women lately. 1.00

00:05:20.340 Her business is booming.

00:05:21.980 And she marketed it wrong. 0.96

00:05:26.160 She should have marketed it to men. 1.00

00:05:28.920 Honestly, probably. 0.99

00:05:30.580 But first of all, your wife isn't horny enough. 1.00

00:05:32.720 Your girlfriend's not horny enough. 1.00

00:05:34.660 Here's a pill. 0.99

00:05:35.860 Yeah.

00:05:36.060 Well, Phil Bencerin is meant to treat what's considered an actual condition.

00:05:40.360 And the condition is called hypoactive sexual desire disorder, AKA HSDD, which is, it's a measurable

00:05:48.100 condition.

00:05:49.760 There there's this really interesting.

00:05:51.260 Being asexual. 0.62

00:05:51.960 Well, it sounds like being asexual.

00:05:53.260 Not exactly, actually.

00:05:55.680 So there's, there's, I, there's, I'll link to this in, in, in my show notes.

00:05:59.220 It's a PubMed article titled women with HSDD have different brain activity.

00:06:03.880 Like it's, this is measurable.

00:06:05.160 So this, this functional fMRI study compared brain activation and sexual response between

00:06:10.920 20 women without sexual dysfunction, and then 20 women who were diagnosed with this hypoactive

00:06:17.420 sexual desire disorder.

00:06:18.860 And participants were exposed to erotic sports and relaxing video segments. 0.74

00:06:23.500 Researchers measured subjective sexual arousal, physiological arousal using a vaginal photo, oh my God.

00:06:33.240 Phototopal smuggograph.

00:06:35.340 I don't know what it is.

00:06:36.280 That's a sparkle graph.

00:06:37.240 They did it with a sparkle graph.

00:06:38.920 It's, it's, yes, it's a phototopal smuggograph.

00:06:43.800 VPP.

00:06:44.440 Wait, you know what, guys, look it up, whatever.

00:06:46.740 And a brain activation in all three sessions.

00:06:48.800 And they, they found that the differences in, in these two groups suggested that women 1.00

00:06:56.060 with HSDD may have altered encoding or retrieval of arousing stimuli and possibly devote more

00:07:02.140 cognitive attention to monitoring or evaluating their responses, which might interfere with

00:07:08.460 normal sexual response.

00:07:09.740 This is indicated by increased activation in specific brain areas tied to attention and

00:07:15.220 evaluation.

00:07:15.800 So what Philbin Sarin does is it slightly increases sexual desire and activity and it slightly

00:07:21.980 lowers distress and it causes drowsiness and lowers blood pressure, especially when combined

00:07:27.160 with alcohol.

00:07:28.140 So here's my thing is why not just drink?

00:07:31.640 Because it seems like what HSDD actually is, it's just basically having higher inhibitory

00:07:36.700 activity and keep in mind, Malcolm, what happens, what happens when I actually drink enough

00:07:42.520 to get tipsy? 0.86

00:07:43.080 So you get incredibly horny when you drink. 0.84

00:07:44.960 Yeah. 0.81

00:07:45.320 Yeah.

00:07:46.080 And I think this is not like, clearly it's not uncommon in women. 1.00

00:07:49.600 And this is exactly what the FMRI study found.

00:07:52.620 It was like, oh, these women are too much in their heads. 1.00

00:07:54.400 Like that's basically what it found is that they, they appear to be like the, the brain

00:07:58.800 regions that are more active in these women who are diagnosed with this condition.

00:08:03.880 Well, actually, sorry, so I have a question for you. 0.53

00:08:06.600 Do you only get horny when you drink, when you're around me, or did you used to get horny

00:08:12.120 when you would drink, even when you weren't around me?

00:08:14.640 I didn't drink until I met you.

00:08:16.000 Remember?

00:08:16.640 Oh yeah.

00:08:17.080 You never drank until you met me.

00:08:17.960 Yeah.

00:08:18.160 So I wouldn't know.

00:08:19.500 Have I gotten really drunk?

00:08:20.600 Not around you?

00:08:22.000 No.

00:08:22.400 But yeah, I get super, like, and I think, you know, when, when you take away the, the

00:08:27.860 part of my brain that has me monitoring my own responses and, and, and controls my inhibitory

00:08:32.720 control, like I'm super horny.

00:08:34.180 So part of me is like, okay.

00:08:35.680 So Philbin Sarin is, is a drug.

00:08:38.220 It has side effects.

00:08:39.240 You know, it lowers your blood pressure.

00:08:40.540 It causes drowsiness.

00:08:41.440 Not that alcohol doesn't, but like.

00:08:43.240 Like just buy a bottle of whiskey, like good whiskey.

00:08:47.880 Like at least then you enjoy the whiskey.

00:08:50.080 Like, I don't, I don't get it.

00:08:52.000 Like, why are people getting this medication prescribed?

00:08:55.140 But also the FDA.

00:08:56.380 Because you combine it with whiskey.

00:08:59.180 Yeah, then it's really good.

00:09:01.000 The FDA actually rejected Sprout Pharmaceuticals application for approval for the drug.

00:09:05.640 Again, because why not just get drunk?

00:09:08.340 So I'm quoting from the New York Times article now.

00:09:10.740 The FDA approved Philbin Sarin in 2015, writing later in the New England Journal of Medicine

00:09:16.820 that while the average treatment effects were small, about 10% higher than placebo, efficacy

00:09:22.400 has been established.

00:09:23.900 So, okay.

00:09:25.300 Like, what would you say the effects of Simone drinking on?

00:09:29.720 Drinking has different effects on different people is the problem.

00:09:32.500 I guess you're right.

00:09:33.240 Yeah.

00:09:33.400 Like I could have been an angry drunk, but Philbin Sarin.

00:09:35.920 I think it just reveals whoever you are underneath your.

00:09:39.620 And this is why we, we've had episodes where I talk about this, where I'm like, if you're

00:09:43.860 from a culture where drinking is normal, I think people from cultures that we're drinking

00:09:48.280 is banned, like Islamic and Mormon cultures, really struggle to understand why people from 0.81

00:09:53.000 cultures we're drinking is normal, don't trust them.

00:09:55.700 And the core reason is, is because we have no way to verify what you're suppressing about

00:10:01.140 your identity.

00:10:02.180 Yeah.

00:10:02.580 Well, and cultures where drinking is more condoned, even where drinking isn't well tolerated.

00:10:06.480 I would actually argue, even especially where drinking isn't well tolerated.

00:10:09.920 Think China, think Japan, think South Korea.

00:10:13.180 They have incredibly heavy drinking culture and ritualized business meetings.

00:10:17.500 I think particularly because you know, like now there's, it's like a truth serum.

00:10:21.820 You know what they're up to.

00:10:22.880 It really is.

00:10:23.160 It's like, you may not be able to get them to tell you the truth, but you can get them

00:10:27.280 to act like the truth.

00:10:29.160 Yeah.

00:10:29.700 Yeah.

00:10:29.880 If there's somebody that's going to get handsy with female employees, they will do it on that 1.00

00:10:34.280 day.

00:10:34.720 If there's somebody who's going to get angry and start yelling at people, they will do

00:10:38.200 it if you push their buttons then.

00:10:40.000 Yeah.

00:10:40.640 But so basically before the FDA approved this, this Philbin Sarin Adiate for Sprout Pharmaceuticals

00:10:47.260 in 2015, they rejected it twice because it basically doesn't make a difference.

00:10:51.960 10% versus like 100% for me, you know, like imagine if someone was like, oh, so you want someone

00:10:57.460 to have a higher sex drive, well, here's this medication.

00:11:00.020 That's like 10% more, you know, like, well, and you'd be like, I'm, I'm just going to get

00:11:04.340 you drunk. 0.76

00:11:04.800 Like it's really easy.

00:11:06.400 So yeah, like that's, that is the, that is the thing.

00:11:09.840 But what, what in, in the end Sprout Pharmaceuticals did was like basically pay this like campaign,

00:11:16.480 like to get all these women to sort of complain about it and make a fuss. 1.00

00:11:20.100 And then finally the FDA relented.

00:11:22.700 So what really makes Adiate as a drug or Philbin Sarin as a drug interesting is the

00:11:27.280 discourse around it.

00:11:28.640 And now the fact that actually it is, it is, it does seem to now be organically trending.

00:11:35.400 Prominent actresses are talking about it in podcasts.

00:11:38.100 Gwyneth Paltrow wrote about it.

00:11:39.860 So I think that's, what's interesting.

00:11:42.100 What's interesting.

00:11:43.220 Isn't the drug itself, but that women care that women want to take a medication. 1.00

00:11:48.220 That will improve their sex drive, but let's talk about a medication that actually works 0.62

00:11:53.300 in improving women's. 1.00

00:11:54.580 Oh, this is a fancy direction.

00:11:57.000 What is this medication?

00:11:58.880 And I, and Gwyneth Paltrow, you think Gwyneth Paltrow like a billion years old at this point?

00:12:03.280 No, she's, I think she's in her fifth.

00:12:04.860 Yeah, no, she's 52 years old.

00:12:06.220 I actually looked it up.

00:12:07.220 Cause I was like, she's 52 years old, but yeah, no, this is, yeah, she's older, but okay.

00:12:12.720 So now I'll give you a hint about the drug that actually works and is very effective by the

00:12:17.820 way people we know and who respect it.

00:12:20.060 And also like people in the rationalist community in, in addition are using this as, as women.

00:12:26.240 Is it microdosing?

00:12:27.860 Some people are microdosing.

00:12:29.220 Some people are not microdosing.

00:12:30.800 Is it ketamine?

00:12:31.940 No, it's not ketamine.

00:12:34.800 It has unfortunate side effects.

00:12:38.120 Unfortunate.

00:12:38.560 I don't know.

00:12:39.420 Oh, is it the, is it the drug that's for like weight loss?

00:12:42.480 No, no, it's not.

00:12:44.720 It's not semaglutide.

00:12:46.180 I don't know.

00:12:47.140 It's testosterone.

00:12:48.120 Come on.

00:12:49.220 Oh, testosterone.

00:12:50.600 That's a good.

00:12:51.140 Obviously.

00:12:51.720 I should have, you, you shouldn't have framed it to me like that.

00:12:54.740 You should have been like, you understand sexuality.

00:12:56.940 What hormone torms women on? 1.00

00:12:59.080 And I would immediately be like, oh yes, women are hornier when they're on more testosterone. 1.00

00:13:02.660 Yeah.

00:13:03.240 So the NY Times also did an article on this titled I'm on fire.

00:13:07.400 Testosterone is giving women back their sex drive. 0.94

00:13:09.800 And then some subtitle.

00:13:11.480 There is no FDA approved testosterone products for women.

00:13:14.540 Insurance won't cover it.

00:13:15.900 Many doctors won't prescribe it.

00:13:17.520 It's become a cultural phenomenon.

00:13:19.960 It has a great opening.

00:13:21.180 So I just have to go ahead and read it.

00:13:23.200 Spend enough time speaking to women who are taking testosterone specifically in very high doses. 0.89

00:13:29.080 And you start to notice that they sound messianic.

00:13:32.720 They're often taking.

00:13:34.520 Sorry, hold on.

00:13:36.800 Drink up.

00:13:37.520 Okay, there we go.

00:13:38.280 They sound messianic.

00:13:39.860 They sound messianic.

00:13:40.680 They're often talking fast and intensely.

00:13:43.320 They're amped up.

00:13:44.260 They're describing what they clearly consider a miracle drug.

00:13:47.720 And they have no intention of lowering their dose, despite the unknown risks or some problems with facial hair.

00:13:53.580 After all, how can they worry about facial hair when they feel so alive?

00:13:57.660 It's nothing they can't take care of with a quick waxing.

00:14:00.800 Which they now have energy to do at the end of the day, right after they prepare a high protein dinner for the family.

00:14:07.120 And before they put the finishing touches on their spreadsheets, close their laptops and light a few mood candles for the sex that they know will be great and even better than the sex they had the last night.

00:14:17.940 And though they're a day older. 0.96

00:14:19.760 So, I just love that opening.

00:14:21.880 That's a, that's an intense, this is somebody who really likes the drug that they're on.

00:14:26.200 Well, I mean, this is the, I don't know if the journalist is on it.

00:14:28.740 She just interviewed a lot of women who are messianic about it.

00:14:31.320 Oh, no.

00:14:31.940 This is, he reminds me of a video that is, so, okay, so one of the types of videos that I like watching are music.

00:14:40.740 And then in the foreground of the music, they will have like anime characters, like doing like a pose or something like that.

00:14:49.580 Or like bouncing.

00:14:51.180 Yeah, or something, right?

00:14:52.340 Yeah.

00:14:53.080 Our kids love it, which is a little difficult because if you saw exactly what these characters looked like.

00:14:59.300 One of the ones that is, that is a fun one is this, a woman who's like this, like, gym bro girl.

00:15:07.920 And there's a tweet next to it that says, women who are mildly muscular think they are gods. 0.93

00:15:13.600 And then the woman is saying, know your place.

00:15:16.140 And I find it funny, you know, sort of like a play on, on whatever that fetish is.

00:15:20.940 So I looked this up to add it, and apparently it's literally just a know your meme page.

00:15:25.640 Mildly muscular women think they're gods, know your place. 1.00

00:15:28.740 And then there's a bunch of people who have done riffs on this.

00:15:32.280 Which now we know the Trump assassin had.

00:15:34.780 Yeah.

00:15:35.960 I'm now discovering that this is a thing, which is just great.

00:15:40.100 I mean, I guess there had to be a reason for the female bodybuilder competitions. 1.00

00:15:43.800 And that's, they found their niche.

00:15:44.980 Actually, that's, that is an underrated way for post-wall women to get an advantage in sexual markets. 1.00

00:15:51.300 We should tell more of our 30-something women looking for a husband. 0.99

00:15:54.060 I love that she, she, she says it's a high protein dinner, right?

00:15:58.100 Yeah, I didn't even think about that.

00:16:00.060 I'm like, these women are like doing, I'd actually be very interested to see how taking testosterone changes a woman's arousal patterns. 1.00

00:16:07.980 Not in terms of the volume of the arousal patterns, but in terms of the nature.

00:16:12.240 Does it make them more dominant?

00:16:13.940 Like more dominant-sided aroused?

00:16:16.360 Or does it?

00:16:17.860 It does?

00:16:18.240 Yeah, it also makes it more argumentative and aggressive.

00:16:21.200 So, but I'll get into that.

00:16:22.500 But what's, what's bigger, of course, this is the New York Times.

00:16:24.900 So they have to take a whole social justice warrior-y and like concern troll-y angle to it.

00:16:29.540 The articles about how testosterone therapy has become a cultural phenomenon among women seeking to boost their sex drive, but also their overall energy.

00:16:37.840 But like the whole angle is despite there being no FDA-approved testosterone products for women in the U.S.

00:16:45.420 And the significant barriers, such as like the lack of insurance coverage and the reluctance amongst many doctors to prescribe the hormones.

00:16:53.640 Why do they need insurance coverage for something that's just meant to make them horny and be like an amphetamine?

00:16:57.460 Well, so the, the thing is, and here's a quote from the article, for men experiencing the effects of low testosterone, low libido, low energy, loss of muscle mass, the FDA has approved more than 30 products since the 1950s.

00:17:10.360 And yet to this day, there's no FDA-approved testosterone cream, patch pill, or shot for women, even though their testosterone levels fall far more precipitously than men's as they age.

00:17:20.420 So the, the, the article makes a fair point, Malcolm, that like.

00:17:24.620 Yeah, okay, I buy that.

00:17:26.560 So are you going to start using testosterone?

00:17:28.560 Is that the idea now?

00:17:29.480 Well, so, I mean, there, there are benefits and drawbacks.

00:17:33.060 So women who take testosterone report dramatic increases in energy, libido, and marital intimacy.

00:17:39.180 Some describe the near miraculous transformations in their relationships and personal drive, but the gains do come with risks.

00:17:46.400 And the side effects include facial hair and acne and hair loss, deepening of the voice, which the deepening of the voice sounds fine.

00:17:54.140 But in some cases, enlarged clitorises and persistent irritation and anger. 0.98

00:18:00.240 And like some of the case, like the, the, the, like people, women quoted in the articles, their, their kids are like, mom, you're like a teenage boy. 0.81

00:18:08.240 Like you're being mean.

00:18:09.520 Like just constantly arguing and getting really angry all the time.

00:18:12.680 Oh God, I can't imagine that sounds nightmarish.

00:18:16.140 I mean, yeah, like, I feel like these husbands must feel so confused.

00:18:19.060 In fact, like one of the women, let's see if there's a good, here, I'll, I'll read.

00:18:22.520 It's, it's clear that testosterone does more than just, like, it does more than Addie, at least.

00:18:27.840 It does more than Phil, Phil, and Sarah.

00:18:29.460 And so here's another quote from the article that sort of illustrates this more.

00:18:33.160 Both Medina and Lynn, these are people that she quoted earlier, are taking an amount of testosterone that's brought their levels higher than what women produce naturally at any point in their lifetimes.

00:18:43.160 The way they and many women on these high doses talk about their relationships sometimes has the ring of romanticcy, fantastic tales of sexual rejuvenation and newfound intimacy.

00:18:52.400 One woman in her fifties told me after years of revulsion, at so much as the thought of her husband's breath, she now looked forward to having sex with him about every night.

00:19:01.460 Even in the middle of sex, she said she was thinking about the next time they could have sex.

00:19:06.140 Another woman told me she had more orgasms in the past two years on testosterone than in the entirety of her previous life. 1.00

00:19:12.300 A third said that after years of wanting to rip someone's face off if her husband so much has touched her, she now actively pursued sex with him.

00:19:20.960 If anything, she now worried she wanted it more often than he did.

00:19:25.040 So can you just imagine these confused husbands who's, like, wives have been cool to them.

00:19:28.800 What's funny to me is how much they hated their husbands before this.

00:19:31.660 I know. 0.98

00:19:32.220 Like, all of them are like, oh, my disgusting. 0.95

00:19:34.620 But, like, these husbands, like, so, like, the wives are, like, both very argumentative, suddenly very aggressive and, like, mean. 0.92

00:19:40.240 But then, like, like, ravenously hungry for them at night.

00:19:43.900 So they're like, I wouldn't want that.

00:19:44.900 I don't know if I'm happy or not happy. 0.94

00:19:46.840 Like, I, she, like, I'm getting sex, but she's mean. 0.96

00:19:51.040 You know, like, what do you prefer? 0.88

00:19:53.320 It's, it's, it's so confusing. 0.62

00:19:54.680 I computer sentences them to death.

00:19:59.740 By Snoo Snoo. 0.97

00:20:00.960 Yeah.

00:20:01.280 Yeah.

00:20:02.160 Woohoo.

00:20:02.500 I wouldn't want that.

00:20:05.460 I wouldn't want.

00:20:06.080 You don't want me to be meaner, but horny.

00:20:08.020 I don't, I don't. 1.00

00:20:08.660 What are you, gay? 0.90

00:20:09.840 No, I mean, I, I, I don't want either. 0.98

00:20:12.600 The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.

00:20:15.920 I don't want to waste a bunch of time on sex, first of all.

00:20:19.360 No, we were having a conversation about this the other night where we were like, I mean, so the time that we would have sex is, is time that we, if we were to have sex more than we do already, is, is time we would not be spending with our kids.

00:20:31.720 We would have sex, which we really, really value, or sleeping, which we're already basically not doing.

00:20:37.380 So like, what are we willing to sacrifice?

00:20:39.900 Our quality of life would degrade significantly if we had more sex.

00:20:43.160 One hour of alone time a day for like video games or whatever, right?

00:20:46.820 Like, like, I don't know, man.

00:20:49.140 Like, I don't, I don't know where, like, what are these people doing with their lives?

00:20:52.460 We couldn't record fewer episodes.

00:20:54.260 It's your fault, fans. 1.00

00:20:56.420 Damn you. 1.00

00:20:57.080 Nobody else does an episode a day. 1.00

00:20:59.520 Even on weekends now, we get the picture.

00:21:00.820 Well, as we go.

00:21:01.720 Does tons of like streamers, you know, I suppose you're right, but they have other jobs.

00:21:08.240 Yeah.

00:21:08.780 So anyway, yeah, yeah, we, we also have jobs and we're not streamers, but anyway, so then

00:21:13.340 there's this other New York times article on Gen Z women in sex, which has me thinking,

00:21:18.440 maybe this is like an older woman thing. 1.00

00:21:20.100 It may be that just like the interest in sex drive among women is mostly like dedicated to

00:21:25.900 older women because most of the women like quoted in these articles are in their forties and 1.00

00:21:29.840 fifties.

00:21:30.540 And it's somewhat backed up by this article titled why Gen Z women are having the best

00:21:35.700 sex in an era plagued by sex negativity.

00:21:38.200 Only one generation seems immune mine.

00:21:41.440 And it's by this, this, this Gen X woman who, who talks about, and this, for those who are

00:21:47.340 not familiar with Gen X is, is it's like, it's the generation that's one, one rung older than

00:21:52.640 Malcolm's and mine.

00:21:53.660 So they're like in their forties and above.

00:21:55.440 Now they're born 1965 to 1980, and they're apparently just getting this renaissance in

00:22:01.440 their sex lives.

00:22:02.360 The author accounts her own experiences in this article, and she claims that society's

00:22:08.040 portrayal of middle-aged women and their sexuality has really shifted that pop culture 0.95

00:22:12.580 and books and movies now celebrate mature women's sexual autonomy.

00:22:16.340 And I think this is true.

00:22:17.300 Like with the beginning of eat, pray, love, you sort of had this like middle-aged women 1.00

00:22:22.820 sexual renaissance and like it's happening a little bit less with younger women, but 1.00

00:22:27.680 also data suggests that sexual, it's the same women. 1.00

00:22:31.480 It's the same women. 0.96

00:22:32.660 It's, it's the eat, pray, love women, just one generation older now. 1.00

00:22:35.660 Yeah.

00:22:35.860 Yeah.

00:22:36.040 They're just aging.

00:22:36.900 Yeah.

00:22:37.080 It's like, it's one generation, but yeah.

00:22:38.960 So data is a bunch of sluts in a perpetual finding themselves renaissance. 1.00

00:22:42.920 Yeah. 0.98

00:22:43.180 Sexual frequency among young adults has dropped steeply since around 2007, but Gen X in middle 1.00

00:22:49.020 age has only experienced a minor decrease.

00:22:51.400 So like, yeah, I think you're right.

00:22:53.080 It's just one generation, but also I just have to point out the article points out this,

00:22:57.520 this, this new academic approach called critical gerontology that emphasizes how aging can bring

00:23:05.040 newfound sexual confidence and fulfillment, challenging a view that aging is inherently a

00:23:10.020 time of sexual decline.

00:23:11.420 Like, no, but anyway, so there's this one quote that from the New York times article

00:23:18.780 on Cindy Eckert's effort to get, to make Addy happen, to make Philip and Saren happen when 0.98

00:23:24.300 like, just fucking drink, just drink. 0.98

00:23:26.980 Okay. 0.99

00:23:27.440 But like, it, I think this is really the point of discourse that I want to kick off it.

00:23:34.380 The author writes for much of that last half century, the fight for women's sexual freedom

00:23:39.380 has hinged mostly on economic arguments, giving women access to birth control advocates. 0.99

00:23:45.260 Reasoning went, would allow them to determine if, and when they had children, empowering them

00:23:50.260 to study, to work and attain financial independence, whether women actually desired or enjoyed the

00:23:55.140 sex they were now free to have was for a long time, a far more taboo question, one that even

00:24:00.840 their doctors weren't trained to ask.

00:24:02.660 But like, your doctor shouldn't, what is, is medically inducing a high sex drive when you

00:24:09.840 don't have one otherwise, like really, well, can it make women sterile? 0.97

00:24:15.220 I wonder, are you messing with your, I don't, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't know how testosterone

00:24:20.600 would, would mess with your fertility. 1.00

00:24:23.960 And that was actually like, when I was thinking about it, I was like, oh, should I experiment

00:24:27.800 with testosterone?

00:24:29.080 Yes, it can, it suppresses ovulation.

00:24:31.900 Well, I haven't, I mean, given how hormonally messed up I am, like that doesn't matter.

00:24:38.260 It wouldn't be relevant to you.

00:24:39.560 But like, I was also like, yeah, but like, also if I'm trying to get pregnant, you know,

00:24:43.540 again, multiple times, like, I don't really want to mess with my hormonal cycles right now.

00:24:47.300 It needs the long-term changes to ovaries. 0.97

00:24:49.940 Well, again, like, I don't need my ovaries as much anymore because we've done all the

00:24:55.340 IVF cycles that we plan on doing, but I also just don't want to mess with like my hormonal

00:25:00.900 levels as we go into more frozen embryo transfers.

00:25:03.460 Cause you know, I just, I don't want to like anything that messes things up.

00:25:06.880 Like things have worked so far and I'm like, let's just, I'm on my medication.

00:25:11.540 Get those 12, 13 kids.

00:25:13.800 Yeah.

00:25:14.100 And then, then maybe I'll experiment with testosterone and instead live vicariously through our

00:25:18.160 friends who are experimenting with it, but yeah, I mean, I'm just like one, like, I think

00:25:25.060 that trying to medicate a sex drive where there isn't like, this reminds me a lot actually

00:25:29.820 of brave new world, which as you know, I love Aldous Huxley's brave new world presents this

00:25:34.580 dystopia in which everyone is polyamorous.

00:25:38.320 They have this saying that you just kind of repeat everyone belongs to everyone else.

00:25:42.040 And if anyone ever gets too monogamous or like they actually don't have enough sex,

00:25:47.760 you're kind of supposed to like, like take Soma, which is this drug that you like, it's,

00:25:53.940 it seems kind of like, I don't know, maybe like literally just living in Silicon Valley,

00:25:59.820 like Xanax or something like, like you take a drug and like you, you go sleep with more

00:26:04.440 people, but you're, you're kind of like forcing yourself into this.

00:26:07.620 And it seems kind of dystopian to me that like, you're trying to create a desire where

00:26:12.320 there isn't a desire.

00:26:13.580 And I, I'm also will fully admit though, that things like hormonal birth control can really

00:26:18.600 suppress sex drive in women that are lifestyles as it is could be suppressing sex drive that 1.00

00:26:23.800 are artificial work schedules and offices and all these things.

00:26:27.100 And the time we spend in front of screens could, could be suppressing sex drive.

00:26:30.300 And that then, you know, well, then I guess we'll just medicate it back into our lives.

00:26:34.080 This is such a progressive thing that like your life is about your sex drive.

00:26:37.780 Like it's weird.

00:26:39.400 Yeah.

00:26:39.520 That's the other thing.

00:26:40.460 Yeah.

00:26:40.920 Like it's like, well, where I think it gets unfortunately injected into conservative culture

00:26:46.680 is from a few areas.

00:26:48.880 One is a lot of the new right movement is downstream of the men's rights movement.

00:26:54.040 And, and, or they're the, really the red pill movement, we'll use the euphemism of the

00:26:58.480 men's rights movement in the red pill movement in the early days.

00:27:01.760 You know, it was a, my generation when we were at like, you know, chalked up on testosterone

00:27:07.380 looking for sex all the time. 0.73

00:27:08.760 And so status was shown and gained within the community by the number of people you slept

00:27:13.960 with people and sleeping with attractive people and sleeping with high status people.

00:27:18.020 And it caused a lot of the community to begin to see sexual conquests or whatever you want

00:27:24.520 to call it as a sign of success, like a quantifiable sign of success.

00:27:28.960 Like you're not, you're, you're, you're, you're conquering a dumpster.

00:27:32.320 Yay.

00:27:33.220 Yeah.

00:27:33.520 You came back for it with spoils and it's, you know, use condoms on a pizza.

00:27:39.060 You know what I'm making is it's not, I'm trying to say it's not a necessarily a good

00:27:43.320 way to live life, but that still holds within the right-leaning ecosystem to a bit where

00:27:50.040 people attempt to flex to each other through the amount of sex they're having.

00:27:56.680 Even do you think so?

00:27:57.380 Do you think women are adopting that in an attempt to succeed by masculine standards? 0.57

00:28:04.280 That's not the point I'm making.

00:28:05.780 I think that where this is coming from women is downstream of the urban monoculture. 1.00

00:28:09.780 But what I'm saying is, is it generally, or historically speaking, conservative cultural

00:28:14.220 groups or healthy religious cultural groups understood that life isn't about arousal maxing.

00:28:20.660 Right.

00:28:21.100 And that arousal just is not that important to daily life.

00:28:26.220 Like, well, what's also interesting though, is historically when it came to arousal, women 1.00

00:28:30.240 were seen as like the crazy, horny sexual predators, like gotta watch out for them. 0.99

00:28:35.240 You know, they're going to, no, no, it's like historically, if you were like, I prefer 1.00

00:28:39.340 playing with my kids, like, you know, an hour playing with my kids to an hour having sex. 0.97

00:28:44.040 Yeah. 0.97

00:28:44.140 They'd be like, oh, well, especially in the Victorian era, right?

00:28:46.340 Yeah.

00:28:47.060 Most of you would be like, yeah, that makes sense. 0.81

00:28:49.280 Like that, that seems like a, I mean, obviously you need to have enough sex to have more kids, 0.91

00:28:54.080 but like, you know, you wouldn't, you wouldn't like engage in it in some sort of big recreational

00:28:59.380 romp unless you were like my secret life or something like that, which is an interesting

00:29:03.520 book, by the way, from the Victorian period about a guy who just slept around a ton.

00:29:06.180 Oh yeah.

00:29:06.660 Um, yeah, but the point being is that, you know, historically these conservative traditions,

00:29:11.960 they understood like, Hey, don't dedicate your life to this stuff, you know, such as for

00:29:17.140 pleasure, such as for arousal.

00:29:18.260 But then the second area it got in and we have a whole video on this, which is, I think

00:29:22.080 it was girl defined, ruined an entire generation of women, which is obviously a takeoff. 0.99

00:29:26.560 Yeah.

00:29:27.480 An entire generation of women.

00:29:28.840 And the point that we make in that is that the way that some evangelical and

00:29:36.300 abstinence until marriage, cultural groups reacted to the urban monoculture, attempting

00:29:41.340 to lure people away by saying, come join us and you can have sex, you know, all you want 0.93

00:29:45.660 and you can do whatever you want that affirms you. 0.95

00:29:47.980 And they were like, no, no, no, no, stay with us.

00:29:50.660 Because actually sex is better if you wait until marriage. 0.58

00:29:53.820 Yeah.

00:29:53.960 It's so amazing.

00:29:55.640 They, they, they, they almost treated marriage. 0.89

00:29:57.920 Like it's some like super sex kink thing. 0.99

00:30:00.440 Yeah. 0.71

00:30:00.720 They hyped it up way too much.

00:30:02.200 And then all these people got married and were super disappointed.

00:30:04.740 They're like, well, yeah.

00:30:07.060 Where it's actually much more powerful to just be like, sex is not bad.

00:30:10.720 Yeah.

00:30:11.020 It's the, it's not the, it's not the point.

00:30:13.560 I mean, I don't know the way I was thinking about it when I was reading these is I was

00:30:16.800 like, well, yeah, but do I, do I respect men for taking Viagra?

00:30:20.980 Do I respect men for taking testosterone supplementation to become more? 0.80

00:30:25.060 Or no, I always think it's kind of lame. 0.94

00:30:27.100 It's kind of gross. 0.99

00:30:28.100 And also like, as you know, I've only been sent one dick pic in my entire life. 1.00

00:30:33.640 And it was a botched infected penile implant. 0.99

00:30:39.680 And it is one of the most traumatic things that was sent to me on a Christmas day. 0.96

00:30:46.340 And I can't ever see it.

00:30:49.760 Don't ever do that.

00:30:51.260 I didn't open the message because of you being like.

00:30:54.020 You're so freaking lucky.

00:30:54.920 Yeah.

00:30:55.160 This was, by the way, sent in a group chat that Malcolm was also in.

00:30:58.920 He did not see it because I think he heard my, I don't know, vomiting in the other room.

00:31:05.340 Oh my God.

00:31:06.980 Yeah.

00:31:07.280 Don't do like, yeah.

00:31:08.840 So like whenever I think of like men's pursuit of this, and I feel like men have more of a

00:31:15.200 societal, like, I mean, so men, it's not like men are expected to have these really high

00:31:21.300 sex drives. 0.95

00:31:21.780 Right.

00:31:21.960 And so I can understand why men are more likely to have a hangup. 1.00

00:31:24.300 I still think it's pathetic because it's just you trying to meet a stupid, societal expectation. 0.99

00:31:29.720 I think it's kind of like the equivalent of like women being expected to look young, 1.00

00:31:33.380 you know, like in getting plastic surgery as a result.

00:31:36.280 But for women getting it, yeah, there's the school bus. 1.00

00:31:38.520 I need to go out and get them.

00:31:40.540 Our, our, our sons.

00:31:41.540 Hey, you said there were like communities that are doing this.

00:31:43.960 Can you tell me about those?

00:31:45.700 Oh, what do you mean?

00:31:47.080 Like that we know?

00:31:48.320 No, no.

00:31:48.820 Are there like subcultures around this?

00:31:50.820 Are there?

00:31:51.880 Well, I mean, yeah, there's, there's a lot of like, but it's mostly like whisper networks

00:31:55.640 of women.

00:31:56.260 And what happens is this is happening largely within like shared social networks of women. 1.00

00:32:01.560 One woman will start taking testosterone and then another will. 1.00

00:32:06.540 Um, like for example, in the New York times article about women taking testosterone, here's

00:32:11.320 another quote from it.

00:32:12.180 This season of the Real Housewives of Orange County, three of the show stars described their

00:32:17.140 testosterone regimens.

00:32:18.640 Gretchen Rossi was shown bearing her bottom as her doctor implanted beneath her skin, a

00:32:24.360 tiny but powerful pellet packed with crystalline testosterone that would be released over the

00:32:29.300 course of about four months.

00:32:31.020 She commented afterward that she had recently reduced her levels.

00:32:34.240 I had to take mine down because I was humping everything.

00:32:37.720 She said, Rossi's co-star, Jennifer Pedranti commiserated, you'll just hump and hump and

00:32:43.540 hump away.

00:32:44.540 So what's happening is within like social networks of women, like one will start taking testosterone 1.00

00:32:51.480 and rave about it.

00:32:52.720 And then more and more will.

00:32:54.080 And I think part of it's the vitalism of it.

00:32:56.760 And so it's not necessarily about social conformity.

00:33:00.020 It's just like, oh my God, I feel so alive.

00:33:02.520 Well, I mean, you've got nothing else in your life if you don't have kids or anything like

00:33:06.780 that, you know.

00:33:07.480 Yeah, like just the hedonism and novelty of all the sex, I think is really fun.

00:33:11.080 It's kind of like, imagine if you could rediscover that revelation that you can bang 0.99

00:33:17.540 things as like a teenage boy.

00:33:19.260 I think women discovering that for the first time, I think there's a novelty factor that 1.00

00:33:23.020 probably wears off.

00:33:24.220 But like in the beginning, it's really exciting.

00:33:25.960 Yeah, especially as a perimenopausal or menopausal woman who's experiencing a lot of fatigue and

00:33:32.220 exhaustion to have that extra energy.

00:33:35.240 Plus, I mean, like, you know, the testosterone is going to lead to more lean muscle development

00:33:39.260 and everything.

00:33:39.740 It's going to help with weight loss.

00:33:40.920 So like as you're getting more dumpy and more tired and your sex drive is slower to

00:33:45.220 suddenly have a reversal of that, even if you're growing more facial hair, like by that

00:33:49.140 point, if you're this type of woman who cares about all those things, you're also the 1.00

00:33:53.080 type of woman who already is waxing and already is doing all the things that are going to 1.00

00:33:56.540 counteract most of the negative side effects.

00:33:58.780 Plus, you're probably also abrasive as it is.

00:34:01.840 So like being even more aggressive and abrasive probably isn't going to be that disjointing

00:34:05.960 in your life. 0.72

00:34:06.680 Yeah, I just, I think my take is this is all hedonic nonsense.

00:34:13.760 And beside the point, sex drives are unmoored from productive reproduction, for example.

00:34:20.580 So like, you know, I don't think that, I don't think that people are going to have the types

00:34:25.860 of families they want or need just because they can't control themselves around each other

00:34:30.460 because they're like, oh my God, I have to bang you. 0.67

00:34:32.800 I think that people have the types of families that they want and need because they're like,

00:34:36.520 I think we're ready.

00:34:38.200 Like, let's start our family, you know, let's be conscious about this.

00:34:42.040 And then they do it.

00:34:43.060 So yeah, I, I don't think this is, I think this is interesting, but I don't think it should

00:34:48.720 be lauded and it suppresses fertility.

00:34:51.220 So I don't think you're going to be having more kids just because you're banging more 0.95

00:34:54.140 on this.

00:34:54.920 No, definitely not.

00:34:56.260 All right.

00:34:56.440 Well, thank you.

00:34:57.120 I love you.

00:34:57.640 I'll send you bok choy recipes.

00:34:59.820 I love you.

00:35:02.500 All right.

00:35:02.820 So you like, what's your favorite food, Titan?

00:35:05.260 So, Titan likes meatballs.

00:35:08.940 And they're called meatballs because meat.

00:35:12.100 And meatballs.

00:35:12.880 And meatballs.

00:35:13.180 Or meat and soup balls.

00:35:16.200 And what about Oreos?

00:35:18.360 Oreos are my favorite cookies.

00:35:22.020 And what about ice cream?

00:35:24.920 All right.

00:35:27.240 You did great coverage.

00:35:29.740 Yeah.

00:35:30.580 It was better than...

00:35:31.200 No, it's wild.

00:35:32.100 It's wild that this was covered up and that like, we have an actively hostile FBI in deep

00:35:36.720 state and they're like, the deep state isn't real.

00:35:38.760 And then I was like, well, they did, you know, try to manipulate an election by hiding.

00:35:43.460 There's so many crazy stories.

00:35:45.780 Yeah.

00:35:46.200 So I, yeah, I just, oh, wow.

00:35:49.900 But also like every country does this and it's all crazy.

00:35:53.060 So anyway, all right, let's get into my crazy, my crazy story.

00:35:57.540 You ready?

00:35:58.200 Do you mind if I start this one?

00:36:03.720 Sure.

00:36:04.180 Go ahead.

00:36:04.520 All right.

Based Camp - November 24, 2025

Women Self Medicating to be Horny： Is This a Good Thing？

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