Women Self Medicating to be Horny： Is This a Good Thing？
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Alyssa Milano and Simone Polan discuss the rise in women taking Viagra to increase their sex drive, and whether it's a good thing or a bad thing. Plus, why women are obsessed with sex and why we should be too.
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But like these husbands, like, so like the wives are like both very argumentative,
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suddenly very aggressive and like mean, but then like, like ravenously hungry for them at night.
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She commented afterward that she had recently reduced her levels.
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I had to take mine down because I was humping everything.
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You don't want me to be meaner, but I don't want it.
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The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.
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And she, this morning was like, oh, I have an episode that I've outlined on women who
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are taking drugs to like make them hornier and want like sex or arousal all the time.
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And I heard this and I was like, wait, what the heck?
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You have to wait until all of our fans hear about it.
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And so I've had to wait all effing day to hear this story for your sake.
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Well, because at the end, I want, I want everyone's take.
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And I want like our base campers take on whether this is a good thing, like whether the pursuit
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Something that we should want for society, something that women should want to cultivate
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or that we should laud women for cultivating or if it's not.
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But I think there's an interesting debate to be had there.
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And I think that's really the core of this, but I really want to go in to actually like
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Because as much as we talk about everyone becoming increasingly sexless, there's this
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subset of women who are all about sex and will go to great lengths to stoke sex drives.
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Simone, so I never end up around this community of women.
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I need to know everything about where they are and how to find them.
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Well, there's, there's a lot of them and, and, and they're, they're taking everything
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from, have, have you heard of, let's see, Phil Ben Sarin, Phil Bansarin?
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Of course, there's also the women who are just going off birth control to do this, but
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you can actually tell how much this is trending because it's showing up in a bunch of New
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York Times articles and I'll, I'll refer to three of them.
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But I think even in other New York Times articles that we've covered, like the one on that woman
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who's like post-divorce and like having all these like liaisons with men and complaining
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about how they weren't pursuing her enough, you know, that there was within the subtext
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of that, this very sex positive, very sex voracious, like why aren't men desiring me?
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And I think we need to talk about it, but let's start off with Viagra for women.
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Because the, the gateway article on this issue that got me really thinking about it is, is
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about what's equivalent to it's, it's being sort of marketed as the, as the Viagra for
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It's a medication called Philbin Sarin that it's, it's branded as, is Addi and it's marketed
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as, as the, the little pink pill by a woman named Cindy Eckert, who herself became famous
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for basically integrating pink into every aspect of her life.
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Like her house is a full of pink and her hair is pink and her clothing is pink.
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But there's even this year, a documentary coming out about this medication.
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And now there's like sub communities that are forming around it.
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Well, so it's a little more interesting than that.
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Actually, Cindy has been trying through her company, Spark, Sprout Pharmaceuticals for
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It's a drug that she didn't like invent or discover.
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Someone actually told her about it and was like, Hey, you should try to make this a thing.
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And then she threw her, her pharmaceutical company marketed it and finally got the FDA
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to approve it and then sold it to a larger pharmaceutical company, which then incorporated.
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And then she managed to get the company back and now she's pushing it.
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But anyway, so this, so this, this, this, this, this medication that she got turned on
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Oh, and by the way, the New York times article is titled a pill for women's libido meets a
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A decade ago, Cindy Eckert struggled to convince skeptics about a drug for pharmacy or for pre
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But first of all, your wife isn't horny enough.
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Well, Phil Bencerin is meant to treat what's considered an actual condition.
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And the condition is called hypoactive sexual desire disorder, AKA HSDD, which is, it's a measurable
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So there's, there's, I, there's, I'll link to this in, in, in my show notes.
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It's a PubMed article titled women with HSDD have different brain activity.
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So this, this functional fMRI study compared brain activation and sexual response between
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20 women without sexual dysfunction, and then 20 women who were diagnosed with this hypoactive
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And participants were exposed to erotic sports and relaxing video segments.
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Researchers measured subjective sexual arousal, physiological arousal using a vaginal photo, oh my God.
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It's, it's, yes, it's a phototopal smuggograph.
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Wait, you know what, guys, look it up, whatever.
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And they, they found that the differences in, in these two groups suggested that women
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with HSDD may have altered encoding or retrieval of arousing stimuli and possibly devote more
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cognitive attention to monitoring or evaluating their responses, which might interfere with
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This is indicated by increased activation in specific brain areas tied to attention and
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So what Philbin Sarin does is it slightly increases sexual desire and activity and it slightly
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lowers distress and it causes drowsiness and lowers blood pressure, especially when combined
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Because it seems like what HSDD actually is, it's just basically having higher inhibitory
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activity and keep in mind, Malcolm, what happens, what happens when I actually drink enough
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And I think this is not like, clearly it's not uncommon in women.
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It was like, oh, these women are too much in their heads.
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Like that's basically what it found is that they, they appear to be like the, the brain
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regions that are more active in these women who are diagnosed with this condition.
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Well, actually, sorry, so I have a question for you.
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Do you only get horny when you drink, when you're around me, or did you used to get horny
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when you would drink, even when you weren't around me?
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But yeah, I get super, like, and I think, you know, when, when you take away the, the
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part of my brain that has me monitoring my own responses and, and, and controls my inhibitory
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Like just buy a bottle of whiskey, like good whiskey.
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Like, why are people getting this medication prescribed?
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The FDA actually rejected Sprout Pharmaceuticals application for approval for the drug.
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So I'm quoting from the New York Times article now.
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The FDA approved Philbin Sarin in 2015, writing later in the New England Journal of Medicine
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that while the average treatment effects were small, about 10% higher than placebo, efficacy
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Like, what would you say the effects of Simone drinking on?
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Drinking has different effects on different people is the problem.
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Like I could have been an angry drunk, but Philbin Sarin.
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I think it just reveals whoever you are underneath your.
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And this is why we, we've had episodes where I talk about this, where I'm like, if you're
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from a culture where drinking is normal, I think people from cultures that we're drinking
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is banned, like Islamic and Mormon cultures, really struggle to understand why people from
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cultures we're drinking is normal, don't trust them.
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And the core reason is, is because we have no way to verify what you're suppressing about
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Well, and cultures where drinking is more condoned, even where drinking isn't well tolerated.
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I would actually argue, even especially where drinking isn't well tolerated.
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They have incredibly heavy drinking culture and ritualized business meetings.
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I think particularly because you know, like now there's, it's like a truth serum.
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It's like, you may not be able to get them to tell you the truth, but you can get them
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If there's somebody that's going to get handsy with female employees, they will do it on that
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If there's somebody who's going to get angry and start yelling at people, they will do
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But so basically before the FDA approved this, this Philbin Sarin Adiate for Sprout Pharmaceuticals
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in 2015, they rejected it twice because it basically doesn't make a difference.
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10% versus like 100% for me, you know, like imagine if someone was like, oh, so you want someone
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to have a higher sex drive, well, here's this medication.
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That's like 10% more, you know, like, well, and you'd be like, I'm, I'm just going to get
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So yeah, like that's, that is the, that is the thing.
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But what, what in, in the end Sprout Pharmaceuticals did was like basically pay this like campaign,
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like to get all these women to sort of complain about it and make a fuss.
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So what really makes Adiate as a drug or Philbin Sarin as a drug interesting is the
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And now the fact that actually it is, it is, it does seem to now be organically trending.
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Prominent actresses are talking about it in podcasts.
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Isn't the drug itself, but that women care that women want to take a medication.
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That will improve their sex drive, but let's talk about a medication that actually works
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And I, and Gwyneth Paltrow, you think Gwyneth Paltrow like a billion years old at this point?
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Cause I was like, she's 52 years old, but yeah, no, this is, yeah, she's older, but okay.
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So now I'll give you a hint about the drug that actually works and is very effective by the
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And also like people in the rationalist community in, in addition are using this as, as women.
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Oh, is it the, is it the drug that's for like weight loss?
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I should have, you, you shouldn't have framed it to me like that.
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You should have been like, you understand sexuality.
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And I would immediately be like, oh yes, women are hornier when they're on more testosterone.
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So the NY Times also did an article on this titled I'm on fire.
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Testosterone is giving women back their sex drive.
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There is no FDA approved testosterone products for women.
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Spend enough time speaking to women who are taking testosterone specifically in very high doses.
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And you start to notice that they sound messianic.
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They're describing what they clearly consider a miracle drug.
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And they have no intention of lowering their dose, despite the unknown risks or some problems with facial hair.
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After all, how can they worry about facial hair when they feel so alive?
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It's nothing they can't take care of with a quick waxing.
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Which they now have energy to do at the end of the day, right after they prepare a high protein dinner for the family.
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And before they put the finishing touches on their spreadsheets, close their laptops and light a few mood candles for the sex that they know will be great and even better than the sex they had the last night.
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That's a, that's an intense, this is somebody who really likes the drug that they're on.
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Well, I mean, this is the, I don't know if the journalist is on it.
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She just interviewed a lot of women who are messianic about it.
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This is, he reminds me of a video that is, so, okay, so one of the types of videos that I like watching are music.
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And then in the foreground of the music, they will have like anime characters, like doing like a pose or something like that.
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Our kids love it, which is a little difficult because if you saw exactly what these characters looked like.
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One of the ones that is, that is a fun one is this, a woman who's like this, like, gym bro girl.
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And there's a tweet next to it that says, women who are mildly muscular think they are gods.
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And I find it funny, you know, sort of like a play on, on whatever that fetish is.
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So I looked this up to add it, and apparently it's literally just a know your meme page.
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Mildly muscular women think they're gods, know your place.
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And then there's a bunch of people who have done riffs on this.
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I'm now discovering that this is a thing, which is just great.
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I mean, I guess there had to be a reason for the female bodybuilder competitions.
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Actually, that's, that is an underrated way for post-wall women to get an advantage in sexual markets.
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We should tell more of our 30-something women looking for a husband.
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I love that she, she, she says it's a high protein dinner, right?
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I'm like, these women are like doing, I'd actually be very interested to see how taking testosterone changes a woman's arousal patterns.
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Not in terms of the volume of the arousal patterns, but in terms of the nature.
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Yeah, it also makes it more argumentative and aggressive.
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But what's, what's bigger, of course, this is the New York Times.
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So they have to take a whole social justice warrior-y and like concern troll-y angle to it.
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The articles about how testosterone therapy has become a cultural phenomenon among women seeking to boost their sex drive, but also their overall energy.
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But like the whole angle is despite there being no FDA-approved testosterone products for women in the U.S.
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And the significant barriers, such as like the lack of insurance coverage and the reluctance amongst many doctors to prescribe the hormones.
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Why do they need insurance coverage for something that's just meant to make them horny and be like an amphetamine?
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Well, so the, the thing is, and here's a quote from the article, for men experiencing the effects of low testosterone, low libido, low energy, loss of muscle mass, the FDA has approved more than 30 products since the 1950s.
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And yet to this day, there's no FDA-approved testosterone cream, patch pill, or shot for women, even though their testosterone levels fall far more precipitously than men's as they age.
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So the, the, the article makes a fair point, Malcolm, that like.
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Well, so, I mean, there, there are benefits and drawbacks.
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So women who take testosterone report dramatic increases in energy, libido, and marital intimacy.
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Some describe the near miraculous transformations in their relationships and personal drive, but the gains do come with risks.
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And the side effects include facial hair and acne and hair loss, deepening of the voice, which the deepening of the voice sounds fine.
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But in some cases, enlarged clitorises and persistent irritation and anger.
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And like some of the case, like the, the, the, like people, women quoted in the articles, their, their kids are like, mom, you're like a teenage boy.
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Like just constantly arguing and getting really angry all the time.
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Oh God, I can't imagine that sounds nightmarish.
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I mean, yeah, like, I feel like these husbands must feel so confused.
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In fact, like one of the women, let's see if there's a good, here, I'll, I'll read.
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It's, it's clear that testosterone does more than just, like, it does more than Addie, at least.
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And so here's another quote from the article that sort of illustrates this more.
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Both Medina and Lynn, these are people that she quoted earlier, are taking an amount of testosterone that's brought their levels higher than what women produce naturally at any point in their lifetimes.
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The way they and many women on these high doses talk about their relationships sometimes has the ring of romanticcy, fantastic tales of sexual rejuvenation and newfound intimacy.
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One woman in her fifties told me after years of revulsion, at so much as the thought of her husband's breath, she now looked forward to having sex with him about every night.
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Even in the middle of sex, she said she was thinking about the next time they could have sex.
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Another woman told me she had more orgasms in the past two years on testosterone than in the entirety of her previous life.
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A third said that after years of wanting to rip someone's face off if her husband so much has touched her, she now actively pursued sex with him.
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If anything, she now worried she wanted it more often than he did.
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So can you just imagine these confused husbands who's, like, wives have been cool to them.
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What's funny to me is how much they hated their husbands before this.
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But, like, these husbands, like, so, like, the wives are, like, both very argumentative, suddenly very aggressive and, like, mean.
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But then, like, like, ravenously hungry for them at night.
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Like, I, she, like, I'm getting sex, but she's mean.
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The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.
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I don't want to waste a bunch of time on sex, first of all.
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No, we were having a conversation about this the other night where we were like, I mean, so the time that we would have sex is, is time that we, if we were to have sex more than we do already, is, is time we would not be spending with our kids.
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We would have sex, which we really, really value, or sleeping, which we're already basically not doing.
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Our quality of life would degrade significantly if we had more sex.
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One hour of alone time a day for like video games or whatever, right?
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Like, I don't, I don't know where, like, what are these people doing with their lives?
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Does tons of like streamers, you know, I suppose you're right, but they have other jobs.
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So anyway, yeah, yeah, we, we also have jobs and we're not streamers, but anyway, so then
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there's this other New York times article on Gen Z women in sex, which has me thinking,
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It may be that just like the interest in sex drive among women is mostly like dedicated to
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older women because most of the women like quoted in these articles are in their forties and
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And it's somewhat backed up by this article titled why Gen Z women are having the best
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And it's by this, this, this Gen X woman who, who talks about, and this, for those who are
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not familiar with Gen X is, is it's like, it's the generation that's one, one rung older than
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Now they're born 1965 to 1980, and they're apparently just getting this renaissance in
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The author accounts her own experiences in this article, and she claims that society's
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portrayal of middle-aged women and their sexuality has really shifted that pop culture
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and books and movies now celebrate mature women's sexual autonomy.
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Like with the beginning of eat, pray, love, you sort of had this like middle-aged women
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sexual renaissance and like it's happening a little bit less with younger women, but
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also data suggests that sexual, it's the same women.
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It's, it's the eat, pray, love women, just one generation older now.
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So data is a bunch of sluts in a perpetual finding themselves renaissance.
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Sexual frequency among young adults has dropped steeply since around 2007, but Gen X in middle
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It's just one generation, but also I just have to point out the article points out this,
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this, this new academic approach called critical gerontology that emphasizes how aging can bring
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newfound sexual confidence and fulfillment, challenging a view that aging is inherently a
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Like, no, but anyway, so there's this one quote that from the New York times article
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on Cindy Eckert's effort to get, to make Addy happen, to make Philip and Saren happen when
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But like, it, I think this is really the point of discourse that I want to kick off it.
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The author writes for much of that last half century, the fight for women's sexual freedom
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has hinged mostly on economic arguments, giving women access to birth control advocates.
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Reasoning went, would allow them to determine if, and when they had children, empowering them
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to study, to work and attain financial independence, whether women actually desired or enjoyed the
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sex they were now free to have was for a long time, a far more taboo question, one that even
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But like, your doctor shouldn't, what is, is medically inducing a high sex drive when you
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don't have one otherwise, like really, well, can it make women sterile?
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I wonder, are you messing with your, I don't, yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't know how testosterone
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And that was actually like, when I was thinking about it, I was like, oh, should I experiment
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Well, I haven't, I mean, given how hormonally messed up I am, like that doesn't matter.
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But like, I was also like, yeah, but like, also if I'm trying to get pregnant, you know,
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again, multiple times, like, I don't really want to mess with my hormonal cycles right now.
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Well, again, like, I don't need my ovaries as much anymore because we've done all the
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IVF cycles that we plan on doing, but I also just don't want to mess with like my hormonal
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levels as we go into more frozen embryo transfers.
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Cause you know, I just, I don't want to like anything that messes things up.
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Like things have worked so far and I'm like, let's just, I'm on my medication.
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And then, then maybe I'll experiment with testosterone and instead live vicariously through our
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friends who are experimenting with it, but yeah, I mean, I'm just like one, like, I think
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that trying to medicate a sex drive where there isn't like, this reminds me a lot actually
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of brave new world, which as you know, I love Aldous Huxley's brave new world presents this
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They have this saying that you just kind of repeat everyone belongs to everyone else.
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And if anyone ever gets too monogamous or like they actually don't have enough sex,
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you're kind of supposed to like, like take Soma, which is this drug that you like, it's,
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it seems kind of like, I don't know, maybe like literally just living in Silicon Valley,
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like Xanax or something like, like you take a drug and like you, you go sleep with more
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people, but you're, you're kind of like forcing yourself into this.
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And it seems kind of dystopian to me that like, you're trying to create a desire where
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And I, I'm also will fully admit though, that things like hormonal birth control can really
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suppress sex drive in women that are lifestyles as it is could be suppressing sex drive that
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are artificial work schedules and offices and all these things.
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And the time we spend in front of screens could, could be suppressing sex drive.
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And that then, you know, well, then I guess we'll just medicate it back into our lives.
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This is such a progressive thing that like your life is about your sex drive.
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Like it's like, well, where I think it gets unfortunately injected into conservative culture
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One is a lot of the new right movement is downstream of the men's rights movement.
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And, and, or they're the, really the red pill movement, we'll use the euphemism of the
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men's rights movement in the red pill movement in the early days.
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You know, it was a, my generation when we were at like, you know, chalked up on testosterone
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And so status was shown and gained within the community by the number of people you slept
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with people and sleeping with attractive people and sleeping with high status people.
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And it caused a lot of the community to begin to see sexual conquests or whatever you want
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to call it as a sign of success, like a quantifiable sign of success.
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Like you're not, you're, you're, you're, you're conquering a dumpster.
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You came back for it with spoils and it's, you know, use condoms on a pizza.
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You know what I'm making is it's not, I'm trying to say it's not a necessarily a good
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way to live life, but that still holds within the right-leaning ecosystem to a bit where
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people attempt to flex to each other through the amount of sex they're having.
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Do you think women are adopting that in an attempt to succeed by masculine standards?
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I think that where this is coming from women is downstream of the urban monoculture.
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But what I'm saying is, is it generally, or historically speaking, conservative cultural
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groups or healthy religious cultural groups understood that life isn't about arousal maxing.
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And that arousal just is not that important to daily life.
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Like, well, what's also interesting though, is historically when it came to arousal, women
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were seen as like the crazy, horny sexual predators, like gotta watch out for them.
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You know, they're going to, no, no, it's like historically, if you were like, I prefer
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playing with my kids, like, you know, an hour playing with my kids to an hour having sex.
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They'd be like, oh, well, especially in the Victorian era, right?
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Most of you would be like, yeah, that makes sense.
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Like that, that seems like a, I mean, obviously you need to have enough sex to have more kids,
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but like, you know, you wouldn't, you wouldn't like engage in it in some sort of big recreational
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romp unless you were like my secret life or something like that, which is an interesting
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book, by the way, from the Victorian period about a guy who just slept around a ton.
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Um, yeah, but the point being is that, you know, historically these conservative traditions,
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they understood like, Hey, don't dedicate your life to this stuff, you know, such as for
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But then the second area it got in and we have a whole video on this, which is, I think
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it was girl defined, ruined an entire generation of women, which is obviously a takeoff.
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And the point that we make in that is that the way that some evangelical and
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abstinence until marriage, cultural groups reacted to the urban monoculture, attempting
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to lure people away by saying, come join us and you can have sex, you know, all you want
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and you can do whatever you want that affirms you.
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And they were like, no, no, no, no, stay with us.
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Because actually sex is better if you wait until marriage.
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They, they, they, they almost treated marriage.
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And then all these people got married and were super disappointed.
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Where it's actually much more powerful to just be like, sex is not bad.
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I mean, I don't know the way I was thinking about it when I was reading these is I was
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like, well, yeah, but do I, do I respect men for taking Viagra?
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Do I respect men for taking testosterone supplementation to become more?
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And also like, as you know, I've only been sent one dick pic in my entire life.
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And it is one of the most traumatic things that was sent to me on a Christmas day.
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I didn't open the message because of you being like.
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This was, by the way, sent in a group chat that Malcolm was also in.
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He did not see it because I think he heard my, I don't know, vomiting in the other room.
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So like whenever I think of like men's pursuit of this, and I feel like men have more of a
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societal, like, I mean, so men, it's not like men are expected to have these really high
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And so I can understand why men are more likely to have a hangup.
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I still think it's pathetic because it's just you trying to meet a stupid, societal expectation.
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I think it's kind of like the equivalent of like women being expected to look young,
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you know, like in getting plastic surgery as a result.
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But for women getting it, yeah, there's the school bus.
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Hey, you said there were like communities that are doing this.
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Well, I mean, yeah, there's, there's a lot of like, but it's mostly like whisper networks
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And what happens is this is happening largely within like shared social networks of women.
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One woman will start taking testosterone and then another will.
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Um, like for example, in the New York times article about women taking testosterone, here's
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This season of the Real Housewives of Orange County, three of the show stars described their
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Gretchen Rossi was shown bearing her bottom as her doctor implanted beneath her skin, a
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tiny but powerful pellet packed with crystalline testosterone that would be released over the
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She commented afterward that she had recently reduced her levels.
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I had to take mine down because I was humping everything.
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She said, Rossi's co-star, Jennifer Pedranti commiserated, you'll just hump and hump and
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So what's happening is within like social networks of women, like one will start taking testosterone
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And so it's not necessarily about social conformity.
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Well, I mean, you've got nothing else in your life if you don't have kids or anything like
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Yeah, like just the hedonism and novelty of all the sex, I think is really fun.
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It's kind of like, imagine if you could rediscover that revelation that you can bang
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I think women discovering that for the first time, I think there's a novelty factor that
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But like in the beginning, it's really exciting.
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Yeah, especially as a perimenopausal or menopausal woman who's experiencing a lot of fatigue and
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Plus, I mean, like, you know, the testosterone is going to lead to more lean muscle development
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So like as you're getting more dumpy and more tired and your sex drive is slower to
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suddenly have a reversal of that, even if you're growing more facial hair, like by that
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point, if you're this type of woman who cares about all those things, you're also the
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type of woman who already is waxing and already is doing all the things that are going to
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So like being even more aggressive and abrasive probably isn't going to be that disjointing
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Yeah, I just, I think my take is this is all hedonic nonsense.
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And beside the point, sex drives are unmoored from productive reproduction, for example.
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So like, you know, I don't think that, I don't think that people are going to have the types
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of families they want or need just because they can't control themselves around each other
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because they're like, oh my God, I have to bang you.
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I think that people have the types of families that they want and need because they're like,
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Like, let's start our family, you know, let's be conscious about this.
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So yeah, I, I don't think this is, I think this is interesting, but I don't think it should
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So I don't think you're going to be having more kids just because you're banging more
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It's wild that this was covered up and that like, we have an actively hostile FBI in deep
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state and they're like, the deep state isn't real.
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And then I was like, well, they did, you know, try to manipulate an election by hiding.
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But also like every country does this and it's all crazy.
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So anyway, all right, let's get into my crazy, my crazy story.