Would Taking Away Women’s Right to Own Property Solve the Fertility Crisis？
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In this episode of the podcast, we are joined by Pernatalist and social psychologist, Dr. Malcolm Grant, to discuss why women who win the lottery tend to have more kids, but women who don t have a lot of kids tend to leave their partners. Why does this happen?
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okay i'm really excited we're talking about this because i saw this and kind of was really
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surprised it's a great graph in terms of providing information that is useful to the
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pernatalist movement it's just one of those instances where the information is maybe not
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the information we'd prefer from a palatability perspective yeah and we have to we have to hat
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tip so i got this from wyvert on twitter who shared i'm reading his tweet a remarkable
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and high quality swedish study if men win the lottery they marry and have children if women
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win the lottery their fertility does not rise indeed low-income women get divorced you might
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think more resources means more kids yes with men not with women which is fascinating totally
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fascinating would you like to know more so i want to word this in different way because i don't know
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if you fully conveyed it when a man wins the lottery whether he is poor or wealthy he is much more likely
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to have more kids and he stays with his partner typically yeah when a woman wins the lottery
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she both does not have more kids and if she is not wealthy she will often leave her partner so
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from a pronatalist perspective if you're thinking where do you do cash handouts where do you put money
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you do not want to give money to women which is wild because that's where the cash handouts go the cash
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handouts overwhelmingly go to mothers and yeah i i i gosh i don't i don't even know where to start
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you actually see this in a lot of the old documentation about the charity work being
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done in africa where they're like we're giving money to women because when women have money they
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have fewer kids i mean first i appreciate the information that cash handouts don't work
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i think it's very spicy this idea that like well even enormous cash handouts yeah enormous cash
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handouts let's let's just give cash handouts to men like men you know here's money to raise kids
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what would happen let's talk about like maybe biologically or socially why this phenomenon is
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happening why do men have kids but women leave their partners i want to hear your hypothesis first
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well i honestly i think it's you could call this trickle down pronatalism so men and i think you're
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very indicative of this that when they think about having kids they often kind of think well i'm just
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gonna marry someone and then she'll have and raise the kids which is totally not what you do
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obviously malcolm like you are very hands-on in raising our kids but when you were younger you just
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thought you were gonna have a ton of kids and you weren't really concerned about like how you were
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going to raise them or how you were going to work that out just you'd be very successful and very
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wealthy and you'd have a lot of kids and it just kind of happens and i think a lot of women turn to
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men for resources and see men as as the source of resources and stability that enables them to feel
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very comfortable having kids whether or not they maintain a career which is why i think many of these
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women who won the lottery left men because they had a different source of and a better source of
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resources so i think the interesting thing the idea here with triple trickle down pronatalism is if
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you give more money to men and then they can attract more women and then have more kids because women are
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more attracted to the men or they're more likely to have kids the question exactly okay okay why is it
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that women when they get more resources don't just use the resources they have to have kids
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why is it that they will only have a man's kids for resources
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oh i think you see like it doesn't make sense what you're saying no i know i i'm bad at articulating
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things but i think it's a status thing women women seem to be more comfortable having kids when they
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are pair bonded with a partner who is higher in status than them who appears to be the source of
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resources a woman is made less likely to take a maternal that's a really interesting point you
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just made she's less likely to take a maternal role in life if she sees an increase in appreciation
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in her status through wealth because now suddenly the number of bachelors who are actually eligible
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to her because she has to marry up that's like a very female trait is is just extremely low so now
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there are fewer men that she can pair bond with there are fewer men she can marry and it's going to be
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really hard for her to settle down with someone and head of kids whereas with a man suddenly he has a
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ton more options because now there are more women who will see him as equal or higher status to them
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so i have a really interesting piece of evidence here that might bolster what you're saying so my
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brother's spouse has always said that her goal in her career is to bolster my brother to make him look
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you know like a bigger deal than than he might otherwise be because i often ask like you're doing
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most of the work you have most of the credentials here why is he always have equal credentials from
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me well they have equal so so a bit of background here both my brother and his wife have nbas from
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stanford both of them have degrees undergraduate degrees from st andrews which is the top-ranked
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university in the uk but she is i'm just gonna be honest here she's harder working than he is and more
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aggressive than he is yet she always frames him as running everything and i've asked her about this
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before and i was like why are you doing this like why do you and you do this too with me simone to
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an extent i think that's more about like gender dimorphism and what men and women bring to the
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table men bring some stuff that doesn't look like man hours you know it's more like very very very
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strong this is how you are justifying it to yourself i understand but if you are a man you wouldn't say i
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who i'm putting in more effort and man hours is subordinate to you who puts in less you being me
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who puts in less effort and man out and i do i genuinely do you know i put less effort and man
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hours into everything that we run and yet you put more value into everything well and that's what you
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would need to say if you wanted to keep up the charade it's not a charade but here's what i'd say
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is that whether it's me or my brother these ultra high value women who are securing i mean i consider
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myself an ultra high value male you know i'm you are attractive quote-unquote successful you're the
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real deal respected publicly broadly speaking and there's some community accomplished yeah accomplished
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yeah so yeah the question is how how are women securing these men they're creating these men
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this is how these ultra high value women get the partners they want if they create their career
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success and then the ultra high value women end up staying with their husbands yes of being the woman
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who's married to the high value man because they've created that high value in the man but this then
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comes to what we're seeing in the lottery where someone like my sister-in-law or you
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they spend a lot of effort trying to uplift their husband because that's what they really care about
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when these women get a lot of money they want to have children with somebody who is already high
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status like that's easier for them or the way that they approach marriage than uplifting their husband
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in a historic context this may not have been the case because marriage and or divorce would have
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been much more costly like you could historically if you were a widower or a divorcee you couldn't
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remarry certainly not a high value man and yet many of these women today now i actually don't think
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this is true i think that if you're a divorcee you will not get a high value man i'm sorry you won't
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what about the woman who married that why am i forgetting her name wallace simpson okay look it happens
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rarely okay okay the point being that women leave men today to try to look for other men because they
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think it is easier to get a higher value man now that their status is raised than it is to raise the
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status of their husband yeah or women just aren't comfortable being with a husband who's lower status
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than them but why are they higher status they just randomly won money that doesn't make them higher
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status uh i mean it kind of does like it just makes it so much harder to be with them i i keep i know
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i'm still i'm still binge watching financial audit by caleb hammer on youtube and i just keep watching
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these couples and you know i think it's really hard for spouses to respect especially female spouses to
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respect male spouses who just aren't contributing at their level and aren't at their level
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because it keeps showing up in these interviews i i i just doubt i doubt what you're saying and i just
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think what part what part that that women suddenly think like that just because they have money they're
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not higher status than their husbands that's just not how it's seen because now they can afford all
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these things there and their husbands you became higher status than me would you leave me what happens if
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you won a billion dollars through the lottery would you like i think we're talking about when keep in
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mind because this also shows up in the swedish study it was only lower economic status women who
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were divorcing it wasn't oh that's a good point yeah yeah it wasn't yeah i think once you reach a
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certain level it doesn't really matter that much and you know that you can use the money to uplift your
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husband because it might be a competency issue like if your husband is a semi-successful lawyer and you
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win a billion dollars yeah you can do a lot with that your husband you have something to work with
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with that billion dollars you can make him better you know but if he's yeah okay that makes a lot of
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sense it's their belief in their husband's ability to improve and properly deploy capital that is what's
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at stake here yeah well that's a lot of it then i want to take this story in a different direction
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because of something that well actually before we do this do you think women should be allowed
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to own property you know given that this is the case yes 100 i mean look look back at sparta like
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right this was a very male friendly culture you could argue and women 100 were the property people i
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don't know if they technically own the property or whatever but like they were on it i don't think this
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is about property ownership i do think that what we're seeing is a profound misunderstanding of the
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social dynamics that need to be at play to encourage men and women to have kids and what men need is
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resources and what women need is high status men and we we talked about that other substat post a while
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ago where where the author theorized that like the real solution to pronatalism is to get rid of
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bureaucracies and to generally economically disempower women and economically sorry i need to clarify what she means by
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that statement if women disproportionately succeed within bureaucratic environments due to gender
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differences between men and women if you get rid of large bureaucracies you will systemically disempower
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women in a society but not necessarily in a bad way in a way that may lead to them finding more men
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desirable because women want partners who they see as better than them yeah basically he was saying we need
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to give men the ability to thrive once again economically and and professionally because we are not allowing that
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anymore really and besides getting rid of bureaucracy would be amazing so i was cool with that argument
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but yeah i think that this is tied to that argument that he was making that like a big problem we have now
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is that men are not given opportunities to be higher status than women and it is very very difficult for
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women to get interested in men who are not high status we even saw this when we did that matchmaking
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experiment where we had a bunch of people fill out a form and put in you know like their their criteria
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and what they cared about and their values and we tried to match people based on their values and
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criteria and instead we saw that women had very out of whack expectations they really wanted an
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incredibly high status man and the high status man really didn't care that much about status he cared
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more about her being kind of young and hot so that there's a lot of young hot people in this world
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there's not a lot of high status men when guess what they're more born every single day
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they just keep making them and the more the older you get the more there are young and hot people
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out there it's and it's insane it's this is a losing battle but but you know the the status that
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you've taken and my brother's wife taken which i think is really interesting and i think shows the
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correct choice for a woman is to build up her husband marry early marry the type of guy who is
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diligent hard-working and intelligent and cares for you and appreciates what you do for him
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and build him up well but right that the other element of this on the guy's side though which
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i think we've talked about occasionally is to get the fixer up our girl she doesn't need to be
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completely politically aligned with you she needs to be open-minded and sufficiently intelligent to
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have her mind changed if she's presented with compelling evidence and it's better i remember you telling
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me when we were like early dating that it was very important for you to date girls who did not wear a
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ton of makeup who had not had a ton of work done who were not really good at styling because then you
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knew that you could buy an appreciated appreciating asset if you went after i know you wanted to fix
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your upper it's like but it makes sense right if you're if you're looking for an appreciating asset
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on the housing market i bought you i bought you for your yeah you you bought a beautiful
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or your not your career because you were very early in your career at that point but your career
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potential yeah and your work ethic your intelligence and your curiosity and i knew in all other
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aspects you were a fixer-upper which only meant you were an appreciating asset right right you buy
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you buy the rundown but old and very sturdy house that is the worst looking house in a really nice
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neighborhood buy a house was good bone and you fixed it marry a partner with good bone and the
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problem is that most guys that we know who are dating want to buy a house in a brand new neighborhood
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that was either built in a very cheap new construction or was recently flipped and if you
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just chip away a wall like it falls apart you know this is none of this is real it is all either
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plastic surgery that's going to wear off soon or it's makeup or it's styling or it's filters
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we live in a house made in the 1790s a lot of people out there are buying mcmansions
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like who do you think deals is more house problems we almost never have house problems
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yeah this thing's nice and it's dirty and people come and they are impressed with it
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and they're like wow this is so regal you want a woman who's like a house from the
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we'll record a longer video on this at some point but this really reminds me of the modern
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controversy about like country girls not being womanly enough because women are defining
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womanliness by what womanliness was during the age of clueless
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good morning y'all quick update on the house because i've been pretty terrible about giving
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y'all these this went viral on twitter with the caption this accent needs to be illegal and women
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should be banned from doing manual labor like this there is nothing feminine about american women
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american women are literally men the person giving this white hot take is samira khan
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in her view the guys that like hannah baron can't be straight men lebanese women are literally
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perfect and they're actually feminine unlike estrogen deficient american women well or even worse
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1990s the naughties they look good they look great they look like they're the instagram models of houses but
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i i think the important thing to to come away with here though is that men and women need different
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types of resources to be inspired to have kids and to be comfortable having kids
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and a well-resourced man or a well-resourced partner is a better resource to a woman or better incentive to
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have children to a woman than personal money than spending money than subsidies then here we're going to
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talk about the second graph which is to say well then shouldn't we well let's let's read what the
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tweet says yes it's by bennett's phylactery he says this is why you get the horseshoe graph if you
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qualify for welfare someone else pays for the kids otherwise you need 200 to 250k to make the math work
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about seven percent of u.s households and just to be clarify what he's showing here it's showing a
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fertility rate by income level and it shows that on average a family that is non-white goes back above
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fertility rate when they're super wealthy starting at around three i don't know like like 215k per year
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whereas white families don't go above every population rate again until they're around like
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350 a year yeah and that both white and non-white populations see their fertility plummet
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once they are making between 25 and 50k a year and that is exactly when all the government subsidies
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for child care for health care and for food disappear and it is genuinely astounding how much
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at least in the united states because we had perney the list.org look at all the state resources for
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parents how much is available to parents who are living at or around or below the poverty line
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so you can get free quite commonly free child care free food free medical care it is it's amazing
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but that that is what what he's pointing out here in a follow-up tweet he writes this doesn't mean
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people can't quote-unquote afford to have kids it means they can't afford to pay someone else to raise
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them which is indeed a historical privilege of the aristocracy so interestingly it is kind of true
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that what these social service programs are essentially doing for those who utilize them
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those with very low income levels is enabling them to raise children like the aristocracy in a culture
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that doesn't really support family-based child rearing or community-based child rearing so in a world in which
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child rearing is atomized and made a very economic commodity that everyone has to pay for on a one-off basis
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the only way that you're going to be able to raise kids sustainably or affordably is by either having
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someone else completely pay for it let the government be your trust fund or to have a trust fund or just
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make a ton of money was there some follow-up about how any country that cares about this population
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like women should oh you had shared with me another tweet i did not know if this was connected because it
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was just a screenshot that you you shared with me but it was someone saying and this makes me angry i
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just hate this i don't hate the person who tweeted it but i'm not going to say their name because i'm
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saying that i hate what they said feminism is a nation killer because the whole point of it is to
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extract labor from the woman that should be going into raising children and redirect it to various
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useless parasites and the psyop is so good that they even get women to cheer for this outcome
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and actually functional nation would exclude women aged 18 to 40 from full-time workforce
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and you'd see a reduction in house prices rents high taxes wasteful government spending foreign aid
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and all the other useless garbage so everyone would have the same level of material wealth
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except we wouldn't be going extinct and i'm just so sick of the the go-to conservative response
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to demographic collapse of like well our problem is that we let women work because women have been
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working for fucking ever okay they've been working and raising kids and they've been doing with their
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community there's a great graph of this which shows that what you really had was that and i'll put it
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here that women used to work about as much as men and then the rate that women worked went down over
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time with technological interventions it went up in the 70s the idea of taking women out of the
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workforce is an anathema to women's history women used to work temporary aberration honestly now that i
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think about it i'm a little confused as to how people was like even a base knowledge of history
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could buy into this system that traditional women didn't work i mean we know in hunter-gatherer times
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the women did steady work that would feed the family i.e. gather and men would do the more risky work that
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would bring in the big kills i.e. hunt but even during the early agricultural period i mean women worked
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the farm too did do they think that women and not only that but when it wasn't farming season if
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anything women worked more than men because they would often be doing the sewing and stuff like that
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which would then be sold in the local communities i mean i guess it was like a period of like 20 years
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where women didn't really need to work due to technological advances maybe 50 years max but it was short
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and you you and me would be so screwed if i didn't work you like why would i imagine if i just turned
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to you and i was like hey malcolm how about you just do all of the work now and i'm just gonna chill
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here at home with the kids i'm gonna help us make money because i'm not as competent as you and i'm not
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as hard working as you no no we just have we bring like i keep saying we bring very different skills to
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the table and without both of us bringing those skills to the table we are completely economically
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and professionally hamstringed and this is another one of those big shames of the atomization of
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of society and that married couples are 100 looking at their careers as being totally separate
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and in the end they both kind of suck at what they do because they're not really combining their
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different skills that should be overlapping or not overlapping should be called marriage is to cover
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your blind spots yes hello to work together because you are not perfect no human is and to
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look for somebody who covers all the parts of you yeah that you fail at and then utilize that in both
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the professional and domestic sense you know as a parent you cover the things i'm not good at i cover
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the things you're not good at as a somebody who's taking care of the home you cover the things i'm not
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good at i cover the things you're not good at and professionally it's the same like yeah the idea
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that you would attempt to tackle any of this alone i just can't even fathom it's and yet there's so many
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people who've just decided that the problem is women getting educated the problem is women working
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when no the problem is that couples are no longer becoming couples they're not even coordinating on
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anything anymore they're not working together anymore communities are not working and coordinating
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anymore you know it also used to be that communities were stronger like get in the kitchen right like
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this famous line right like the woman's role is yeah make me a sandwich etc this was true of poor
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families historically like poor dysfunctional families that had no status in society this was not true of
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wealthy families historically usually the women played a large part in the economic management of the
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families assets like you are emulating poor trash humans basically when you take on these positions
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even from a historic perspective what would we call trailer trash before oh no we would just call
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them gypsies oh god there were always people in trailers and we still were mean to them no i would
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call them surfs surfs were the original not even surfs because surfs worked they were probably like
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low-class merchants or something yeah i mean the the idea that you would have someone like and
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think about on the frontier right the type of person who like kept his wife in the kitchen this was like
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your severe drunkard like barely able to handle himself glass of whiskey everywhere he went you know
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falling over yelling at trees like trees uh that that's funny because it's true no it is true this
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was like a thing back then this was not you're like a competent individual you know you look at like
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abigail adams and john adams for example right right these are two very hard-working people who did real
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work and who collaborated deeply you know everything they did was together it was not separate abigail
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played a crucial role as an advisor and a sounding board to john adams and and she also ran their
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properties and farms and when he was on his trips doing his like me promoting the podcast i'm out
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promoting the podcast you're running our companies right like it's it's it's the way that the elite of
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humanity has always functioned we just forgot yeah but again we so you know coming back to like
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why not why not give women money why not have women win the lottery or give them subsidies
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it i just can't really see ever having the comfort to do all of that in isolation by myself i know a
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lot of people talk about doing it by themselves and a lot of people end up doing it by themselves but
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it's really freaking hard but it's a perversion of the joint bank account it's a perversion of i'm
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sorry the non-joint bank account yeah separate bank accounts in a married couple the separate
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identities in a married couple okay you're not willing to combine who you are with somebody else
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then you're probably not willing to be married well you're probably not willing to give your
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life to children as well right yeah the practice guide to crafting religion when we talk about like
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our religious structure we sort of frame life as a iterative movement away from the self like you
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start as a child this thing that like needs from its environment around it needs from its family
00:26:02.720
you're nothing but a drain on those around you then but you are also singular then you become a
00:26:08.940
self-sufficient individual and like a totally independent individual then you become married
00:26:15.800
and you become a partner to someone else you become part of a holistic team where you are half of that
00:26:20.820
team then you become part of a family right where you are the head of the family or or one of the
00:26:28.180
heads of the family insofar as you are guiding the next generation guiding these next hungry
00:26:33.120
individualists and then you die and you become a memory and part of the family tradition and that
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this is a journey when properly pursued as a journey away from individualism and towards an ethereal memory
00:26:48.460
when the individuals who cling to whatever stage of this cycle they cling to this individualist stage
00:26:55.020
or they cling to this i want me me me me me more you know that's what the the individual like a
00:27:00.540
chris chan or something is doing the individual who lives off the state the individual who lives off
00:27:04.540
society me me me me me always me they never really evolved past this childlike state
00:27:09.480
or you're the secondary individual the individual who's always an individual always must be
00:27:15.720
independent you know they're always in this sort of teenage version of themselves or the individual
00:27:21.220
who's always their married partner you know not a family right like they're always in this early
00:27:26.600
married early 30s version of themselves right anyway yeah huh so how how palatable do you think this
00:27:37.440
is going to be you know give men money only give a male subsidy all all income should go straight to the
00:27:44.180
man that's not but no see that's the thing is i am against this idea of financially and legally
00:27:51.220
disempowering women that is not the point women should have property rights they should have you
00:27:57.440
know are you sure yes yes i think the problem though is because i mean you can see it creates a ton of
00:28:07.140
adverse incentives when someone has the ability to with impunity make a lot of decisions around property
00:28:12.920
and also it creates so in our relationship for example you make the final call on everything
00:28:19.640
you you if i say no you can veto something you it is ultimately your decision but the reason why that's
00:28:26.000
powerful and the reason why you are always going to be incentivized to make good decisions is you know
00:28:31.480
that in the end if you make a decision that i'm super not cool with that's the end of our marriage
00:28:35.800
period you're gone like you have no more simone as a resource it's gone and you don't want that so
00:28:40.480
you're not going to make decisions that i'm not going to be okay with you may make decisions that
00:28:44.560
i'm uncomfortable with you may ultimately obligate me to do the responsible thing that i don't have
00:28:49.020
the self-control to do which i really appreciate and that's usually whenever i'm not exactly on board
00:28:54.520
it's not because i disagree with you it's because i don't wanna but if you take that away and there is
00:29:00.840
no out for the women there is no financial recourse there is no there is no way for them to exit
00:29:07.180
there is less of an incentive to make the right decision and i could always trust you even if you
00:29:13.680
100 percent have control of all the property and i as a woman had zero rights i know that i could
00:29:18.440
trust you to make the right decision but we have the alternate scenario here she manages all of our
00:29:23.400
bank accounts all of our investments i don't even know where the money is with our crypto and stuff
00:29:27.600
like that yeah you tortured me i'd be like i don't know i wasn't paying attention it's hard
00:29:33.160
it's i anyway i i think a lot of people could not be trusted with that level of power and oversight
00:29:43.800
even though i could trust you with that you trust me with it because i trust you with all the actual
00:29:48.860
stuff it's true i have i have all the power so i guess yeah because you gave it all to me even
00:29:54.520
though you didn't have i gave it all to you out of laziness by the way this stuff is hard and i
00:29:59.760
don't like thinking about it you know i don't necessarily want it either dislike of gambling to
00:30:05.960
the level where like i hate investment because like it feels like gambling i'm forced to do to be
00:30:11.100
financially responsible what on earth right so screwed up but you hey you did a gamble in las vegas
00:30:17.480
right and then you put in i gambled a dollar it was very difficult in a slot machine and we won
00:30:23.480
it just was on a very the situation it did a thing it went
00:30:28.080
and you can pull it a surprising number of times for one dollar i thought it might be one dollar for
00:30:35.840
one pull but no i gotta pull it up many times yeah i guess now i understand why people can sit in
00:30:41.040
front of slot machines in las vegas for so long because it we it was getting to the point where we
00:30:46.360
were really ready to go but we felt like we had to go through the whole dollar right yeah we gotta pull
00:30:52.780
pull to the end pull pull pull it was weird yeah i don't i don't recommend gambles
00:30:59.640
yeah i don't recommend that's i think the genetic thing like gambling stuff like that it's like are
00:31:06.700
you programmed to get a big hit from these environments yeah yeah but anyway what i'm saying
00:31:16.980
about women and property is that we need a free market i'm very much a believer in free markets
00:31:23.600
if you do not subject people to market pressures then let the invisible hand work things out in a
00:31:29.520
natural way because what is a free market but the human complicated civilizational level version of
00:31:35.980
of evolution you know so if you take that away and you you artificially disempower one class of
00:31:44.000
society one group one sex whatever then you're going to start to get market inefficiencies
00:31:49.360
and so we need for you the course in is market inefficiencies well it that's what it creates and
00:31:56.780
that's why i don't like it like we are like you said in an earlier conversation we had very results
00:32:02.100
oriented people so obviously if wokeism or communism or socialism or whatever it might be stuff that we're
00:32:08.500
not necessarily super on board with was proven right we could be fully on board like we're there
00:32:14.640
show us show us how it works and we're there so if disempowering women and sending them back to the
00:32:20.180
kitchen and taking away their bank accounts and whatever it may be created the society that we
00:32:25.060
thought was ideal that would create human flourishing that would get us off planet that
00:32:28.060
would help us overcome all of our shortcomings 100 take it away okay but that's just not what would
00:32:35.300
happen and i'm so fucking sick of all these and it's always guys but sometimes pick me women
00:32:40.980
but not really pick me women because they're not even capable of making these arguments in a very
00:32:45.080
articulate fashion saying that's the problem it's women getting educated it's women going into work
00:32:51.660
and that's no no no i love you so much simone and i am so excited that we have this podcast together
00:33:02.040
and we're about to pass the 10 000 number so let's see i don't know yes okay so please if you're
00:33:07.660
listening to this and yes we have punchable faces or whatever but if you have enjoyed or you just want
00:33:14.180
other people to want to punch our faces here's what you should do go steal someone's iphone because
00:33:20.660
you probably don't have one cool people don't have iphones do they except for their like really rich
00:33:24.460
tech devices or people who are trying to front so go find someone with an iphone or an ipad
00:33:28.900
log in to apple podcasts give us a five-star review so that more people can find and hate us
00:33:35.880
and also if you are on youtube please like and subscribe yeah well you're probably going to end
00:33:40.480
up on kiwi farms or encyclopedia dramatica i'm surprised we're not on kiwi farms yet there's not
00:33:45.940
enough there's not enough lol cow we're not we're not enough of a lol cow i will work harder i will
00:33:53.260
endeavor to be the lowliest of cows no you have to like absolutely actually lose your shit so like
00:33:59.580
you know that people people like making fun of that kid who when you say something to them then
00:34:05.620
they squeal like a little pig and start freaking out and i think that's a more common we we like the
00:34:11.800
negative attention a little too much or too much into it and so it's not fun because it's not fun to
00:34:19.280
bully someone when they're like yeah yeah i'm hanging out on the kiwi this is cool you guys are
00:34:25.660
paying attention you should you should talk about this thing too it just then no then it becomes
00:34:30.220
homework so i'm i'm afraid you're kind of doomed on that front i'm sorry but it's uh it's a truth
00:34:36.240
it's a six-hand truth oh wait actually we need one of our fans to create the kiwi farms page for us
00:34:42.500
it is always actually managed by somebody who doesn't hate us no no it has to be managed by
00:34:49.700
someone who actually hates us and thinks that we're amusing but i don't know it just doesn't
00:34:53.140
work it doesn't work i don't think we're ever going to end up there and maybe i will work hard
00:34:58.040
to prove you wrong on that simon well you're gonna have to like i don't know i'll roofie you
00:35:04.220
i guess and then you'll have to you already have why am i married to you we're going to that new
00:35:08.980
york event on friday so i will roofie you i will take away your clothes and then i will just punt
00:35:15.060
you out of the hotel room and then maybe you know something i could put a body cam on you
00:35:23.460
so that they see me running around saying my wife has abandoned me i i mean i honestly do not know
00:35:30.700
what it would take but yeah i i think also like a very common element of kiwi farms lol cows is that
00:35:37.780
they have a very big lack of self-awareness people think i have a lack of self-awareness
00:35:44.360
and i think you have enough of a sense of self-awareness or i'm so much like you
00:35:50.220
slash i am you and you're just recording this two times over cross-dressed as me where
00:35:56.160
i love that conspiracy theory this is a real conspiracy theory about us by the way but it's true
00:36:01.420
because obviously and why else are we in separate rooms makeup and and and a different outfit
00:36:10.620
yeah maybe a few years apart with hormones not really because my face is super different but
00:36:17.340
nevertheless i think for example even ayla doesn't really have a kiwi farms page a lot of people are
00:36:24.220
just like can you believe her in her surveys she doesn't include trigger warnings like so there's
00:36:30.380
nothing on her there because she's very self-aware so even people who you would think would be great
00:36:37.340
you know who say very outlandish things who are my thing about ayla recently and i almost want to do
00:36:41.980
a full episode on this is she's like a yazaki anime i don't know if you'll know yazaki animes
00:36:47.020
this is an amazing no no sorry no no no izakaya is that the tapas of japan yes that's why i said
00:36:53.600
yazaki anyway so a character no i think it's izakai izakai anyway character ends up dying waking up
00:36:59.840
in a different world ayla yet again released her stats on things like showers rates of sex rates of
00:37:07.920
going outside and people are like oh my god like she showers what like i don't know
00:37:14.280
like a few twice a week or something like not as much as you would expect you know with a lot of
00:37:20.800
people and i am just convinced that she is an izakai from like a different parallel universe
00:37:27.780
there was some like fat gamer anime nerd red pill guy right who got reincarnated as a full all stats
00:37:41.320
character in our reality max attractive max smart max smart max attractive max everything
00:37:48.280
yeah and he's like oh god what do i do with my life what i can just have sex for money now this is
00:37:54.780
awesome what i can just like bend my entire life doing random research and everyone respects me
00:38:02.460
what i can just she puts up with a lot of shit malcolm a lot of people don't respect her and i
00:38:07.840
don't understand that because she is what i don't understand is that she's she's also she out
00:38:13.100
wholesomes pretty much everyone i know she is more wholesome oh no absolutely if you know her
00:38:18.120
personally she's incredibly wholesome she's well she's earnest she's honest she's intellectually
00:38:22.580
humble even like she wants to have a family she supports her family she's there for her sisters like
00:38:28.040
i'm sorry do you do that i don't think so it's it's it's the fat guy with the cheeto dust always
00:38:34.280
dies jumping in front of a train saving a girl or something yeah and he has his harem in the harem
00:38:38.660
comedies because he's just such a nice guy that's why he gets reincarnated in many ways it's the best
00:38:44.560
izakai reincarnation the best gift for being this otherwise perfectly honorable character honestly you
00:38:52.000
could make an anime about ayla's life where she is an izakai character there are like 10 different
00:38:56.740
anime angles on ayla's life because and i think it would be a fantastic anime any anime about ayla
00:39:04.760
would be fantastic she's just it would be like the harry potter message of rationality no the one
00:39:09.880
that i want to watch either the the the food wars version of ayla's life where it's about like you learn
00:39:17.980
about her research through completely outlandish episodes that involve competitions or i would want
00:39:25.040
to watch the therme rome version of an ayla anime where it's you know like somehow like i want the
00:39:32.280
instructional element of it i just want that but the therme rome on netflix is terrible i accidentally
00:39:37.700
not the new one the original obviously the original therme rome people might not know this is one of the
00:39:42.520
best enemies ever made the new therme rome that's like on i don't know if it's on netflix there's some
00:39:46.720
you have to pirate it okay sorry no don't pirate anything pirating is illegal i think you can just
00:39:54.940
watch it on youtube yeah i think you can just watch that's where we found it it's fantastic the
00:39:59.400
original yeah don't you dare don't you dare watch the new one anyway i gosh i just miss you i love
00:40:06.100
talking with you yes people who might not know this and i should know like i've been really disappointed
00:40:10.400
in our episode quality recently and it's because the episodes we've been airing recently we're doing
00:40:15.880
a period where we were prepping for a big backlog because we were going to travel you know last
00:40:20.200
weekend i was in new hampshire the weekend before that i was in las vegas speaking at various
00:40:24.880
conferences and simone's super pregnant and you know we're super behind on a lot of work so we're just
00:40:30.580
like oh let's prep on weekends we'll do like 10 episodes in a day but it led to us filming episodes
00:40:36.440
where i felt like i had sort of run out of ideas by the end of the day and that were kind of bad but we
00:40:42.020
needed to build this backlog and we're going to stick with a daily upload schedule and i'm sorry
00:40:46.760
we did that to you guys and hopefully that won't happen again i know we're building another backlog
00:40:51.180
for when she is having the kid because she's like i probably won't be able to record for a week or so
00:40:56.420
but other than that yeah i'm i'm sorry we have not been at the quality that i would like to be in terms
00:41:05.180
of baseness spiciness and new takes we'll get back on that train we'll get back on the spice train
00:41:11.720
the spice must flow the spice must flow oh my god simone you know what you're on about
00:41:25.540
oh god oh all right hot dog night let's do it so tonight she's making hot dogs and we cut them up
00:41:34.880
and we put them in the little hawaiian buns which are sweet and then i put them in with shallots
00:41:38.220
which i'm getting today and some fancy sauces which i collect and i'm very very very excited
00:41:43.660
for my little hot dog buns yeah so you you cut the rich person onions all to everything else
00:41:48.140
you good to go yeah it's on friend as we call shallots rich person onions because uncle roger
00:41:53.840
because uncle roger says that we are we are men of we are we are men of culture are men of culture
00:41:59.360
yes and status we learn all of our cooking information from uncle roger as everyone should
00:42:04.880
and well that and food wars uncle roger and food wars that's where i have learned
00:42:10.460
god bless all right i love you i love you too malcolm