Based Camp - Would Taking Away Women’s Right to Own Property Solve the Fertility Crisis？

00:00:00.000 okay i'm really excited we're talking about this because i saw this and kind of was really

00:00:07.280 surprised it's a great graph in terms of providing information that is useful to the

00:00:12.520 pernatalist movement it's just one of those instances where the information is maybe not

00:00:17.120 the information we'd prefer from a palatability perspective yeah and we have to we have to hat

00:00:23.260 tip so i got this from wyvert on twitter who shared i'm reading his tweet a remarkable

00:00:29.740 and high quality swedish study if men win the lottery they marry and have children if women

00:00:34.720 win the lottery their fertility does not rise indeed low-income women get divorced you might 0.95

00:00:40.540 think more resources means more kids yes with men not with women which is fascinating totally

00:00:47.980 fascinating would you like to know more so i want to word this in different way because i don't know

00:00:53.640 if you fully conveyed it when a man wins the lottery whether he is poor or wealthy he is much more likely

00:00:59.320 to have more kids and he stays with his partner typically yeah when a woman wins the lottery 1.00

00:01:05.780 she both does not have more kids and if she is not wealthy she will often leave her partner so

00:01:11.560 from a pronatalist perspective if you're thinking where do you do cash handouts where do you put money

00:01:18.220 you do not want to give money to women which is wild because that's where the cash handouts go the cash 1.00

00:01:26.240 handouts overwhelmingly go to mothers and yeah i i i gosh i don't i don't even know where to start

00:01:35.020 you actually see this in a lot of the old documentation about the charity work being

00:01:38.600 done in africa where they're like we're giving money to women because when women have money they 1.00

00:01:42.520 have fewer kids i mean first i appreciate the information that cash handouts don't work

00:01:48.460 i think it's very spicy this idea that like well even enormous cash handouts yeah enormous cash

00:01:54.300 handouts let's let's just give cash handouts to men like men you know here's money to raise kids 0.96

00:02:00.620 what would happen let's talk about like maybe biologically or socially why this phenomenon is

00:02:05.960 happening why do men have kids but women leave their partners i want to hear your hypothesis first

00:02:11.540 well i honestly i think it's you could call this trickle down pronatalism so men and i think you're

00:02:21.900 very indicative of this that when they think about having kids they often kind of think well i'm just

00:02:27.760 gonna marry someone and then she'll have and raise the kids which is totally not what you do 0.68

00:02:32.640 obviously malcolm like you are very hands-on in raising our kids but when you were younger you just

00:02:38.480 thought you were gonna have a ton of kids and you weren't really concerned about like how you were

00:02:41.600 going to raise them or how you were going to work that out just you'd be very successful and very

00:02:46.620 wealthy and you'd have a lot of kids and it just kind of happens and i think a lot of women turn to 1.00

00:02:52.300 men for resources and see men as as the source of resources and stability that enables them to feel

00:02:58.140 very comfortable having kids whether or not they maintain a career which is why i think many of these

00:03:03.160 women who won the lottery left men because they had a different source of and a better source of 0.99

00:03:07.720 resources so i think the interesting thing the idea here with triple trickle down pronatalism is if

00:03:13.840 you give more money to men and then they can attract more women and then have more kids because women are 1.00

00:03:19.740 more attracted to the men or they're more likely to have kids the question exactly okay okay why is it

00:03:27.260 that women when they get more resources don't just use the resources they have to have kids 0.98

00:03:33.880 why is it that they will only have a man's kids for resources 1.00

00:03:39.260 oh i think you see like it doesn't make sense what you're saying no i know i i'm bad at articulating

00:03:47.400 things but i think it's a status thing women women seem to be more comfortable having kids when they 1.00

00:03:52.820 are pair bonded with a partner who is higher in status than them who appears to be the source of

00:03:57.180 resources a woman is made less likely to take a maternal that's a really interesting point you

00:04:03.780 just made she's less likely to take a maternal role in life if she sees an increase in appreciation 0.99

00:04:08.660 in her status through wealth because now suddenly the number of bachelors who are actually eligible 0.96

00:04:14.060 to her because she has to marry up that's like a very female trait is is just extremely low so now 1.00

00:04:20.900 there are fewer men that she can pair bond with there are fewer men she can marry and it's going to be 1.00

00:04:25.100 really hard for her to settle down with someone and head of kids whereas with a man suddenly he has a

00:04:29.920 ton more options because now there are more women who will see him as equal or higher status to them 1.00

00:04:35.400 so i have a really interesting piece of evidence here that might bolster what you're saying so my

00:04:42.240 brother's spouse has always said that her goal in her career is to bolster my brother to make him look

00:04:49.320 you know like a bigger deal than than he might otherwise be because i often ask like you're doing

00:04:54.860 most of the work you have most of the credentials here why is he always have equal credentials from

00:05:01.120 me well they have equal so so a bit of background here both my brother and his wife have nbas from

00:05:06.380 stanford both of them have degrees undergraduate degrees from st andrews which is the top-ranked

00:05:10.900 university in the uk but she is i'm just gonna be honest here she's harder working than he is and more 0.97

00:05:17.920 aggressive than he is yet she always frames him as running everything and i've asked her about this

00:05:23.540 before and i was like why are you doing this like why do you and you do this too with me simone to

00:05:28.880 an extent i think that's more about like gender dimorphism and what men and women bring to the

00:05:33.280 table men bring some stuff that doesn't look like man hours you know it's more like very very very

00:05:39.820 strong this is how you are justifying it to yourself i understand but if you are a man you wouldn't say i

00:05:45.760 who i'm putting in more effort and man hours is subordinate to you who puts in less you being me

00:05:52.220 who puts in less effort and man out and i do i genuinely do you know i put less effort and man

00:05:57.080 hours into everything that we run and yet you put more value into everything well and that's what you

00:06:03.980 would need to say if you wanted to keep up the charade it's not a charade but here's what i'd say

00:06:12.120 is that whether it's me or my brother these ultra high value women who are securing i mean i consider

00:06:19.460 myself an ultra high value male you know i'm you are attractive quote-unquote successful you're the

00:06:25.500 real deal respected publicly broadly speaking and there's some community accomplished yeah accomplished

00:06:33.080 yeah so yeah the question is how how are women securing these men they're creating these men 1.00

00:06:41.500 this is how these ultra high value women get the partners they want if they create their career 1.00

00:06:49.240 success and then the ultra high value women end up staying with their husbands yes of being the woman 1.00

00:06:54.760 who's married to the high value man because they've created that high value in the man but this then

00:07:01.100 comes to what we're seeing in the lottery where someone like my sister-in-law or you 0.98

00:07:06.780 they spend a lot of effort trying to uplift their husband because that's what they really care about 0.99

00:07:13.320 when these women get a lot of money they want to have children with somebody who is already high 1.00

00:07:19.840 status like that's easier for them or the way that they approach marriage than uplifting their husband

00:07:25.360 in a historic context this may not have been the case because marriage and or divorce would have

00:07:31.580 been much more costly like you could historically if you were a widower or a divorcee you couldn't

00:07:38.040 remarry certainly not a high value man and yet many of these women today now i actually don't think

00:07:42.800 this is true i think that if you're a divorcee you will not get a high value man i'm sorry you won't

00:07:47.960 what about the woman who married that why am i forgetting her name wallace simpson okay look it happens

00:07:56.920 rarely okay okay the point being that women leave men today to try to look for other men because they

00:08:04.340 think it is easier to get a higher value man now that their status is raised than it is to raise the

00:08:10.280 status of their husband yeah or women just aren't comfortable being with a husband who's lower status

00:08:19.020 than them but why are they higher status they just randomly won money that doesn't make them higher

00:08:25.920 status uh i mean it kind of does like it just makes it so much harder to be with them i i keep i know

00:08:35.180 i'm still i'm still binge watching financial audit by caleb hammer on youtube and i just keep watching

00:08:40.540 these couples and you know i think it's really hard for spouses to respect especially female spouses to

00:08:49.520 respect male spouses who just aren't contributing at their level and aren't at their level

00:08:55.840 because it keeps showing up in these interviews i i i just doubt i doubt what you're saying and i just

00:09:01.480 think what part what part that that women suddenly think like that just because they have money they're 1.00

00:09:08.020 not higher status than their husbands that's just not how it's seen because now they can afford all

00:09:14.840 these things there and their husbands you became higher status than me would you leave me what happens if

00:09:19.420 you won a billion dollars through the lottery would you like i think we're talking about when keep in

00:09:25.280 mind because this also shows up in the swedish study it was only lower economic status women who 1.00

00:09:32.580 were divorcing it wasn't oh that's a good point yeah yeah it wasn't yeah i think once you reach a

00:09:37.400 certain level it doesn't really matter that much and you know that you can use the money to uplift your

00:09:41.980 husband because it might be a competency issue like if your husband is a semi-successful lawyer and you

00:09:46.840 win a billion dollars yeah you can do a lot with that your husband you have something to work with

00:09:51.080 with that billion dollars you can make him better you know but if he's yeah okay that makes a lot of

00:09:57.180 sense it's their belief in their husband's ability to improve and properly deploy capital that is what's

00:10:04.040 at stake here yeah well that's a lot of it then i want to take this story in a different direction

00:10:11.340 because of something that well actually before we do this do you think women should be allowed

00:10:16.520 to own property you know given that this is the case yes 100 i mean look look back at sparta like

00:10:23.420 right this was a very male friendly culture you could argue and women 100 were the property people i 1.00

00:10:31.600 don't know if they technically own the property or whatever but like they were on it i don't think this

00:10:36.680 is about property ownership i do think that what we're seeing is a profound misunderstanding of the

00:10:42.200 social dynamics that need to be at play to encourage men and women to have kids and what men need is

00:10:48.660 resources and what women need is high status men and we we talked about that other substat post a while

00:10:54.660 ago where where the author theorized that like the real solution to pronatalism is to get rid of

00:10:59.840 bureaucracies and to generally economically disempower women and economically sorry i need to clarify what she means by

00:11:05.820 that statement if women disproportionately succeed within bureaucratic environments due to gender 0.99

00:11:10.400 differences between men and women if you get rid of large bureaucracies you will systemically disempower

00:11:17.040 women in a society but not necessarily in a bad way in a way that may lead to them finding more men 0.92

00:11:22.860 desirable because women want partners who they see as better than them yeah basically he was saying we need 0.87

00:11:27.720 to give men the ability to thrive once again economically and and professionally because we are not allowing that

00:11:35.320 anymore really and besides getting rid of bureaucracy would be amazing so i was cool with that argument

00:11:39.420 but yeah i think that this is tied to that argument that he was making that like a big problem we have now

00:11:46.420 is that men are not given opportunities to be higher status than women and it is very very difficult for

00:11:54.640 women to get interested in men who are not high status we even saw this when we did that matchmaking 0.99

00:12:00.220 experiment where we had a bunch of people fill out a form and put in you know like their their criteria

00:12:06.160 and what they cared about and their values and we tried to match people based on their values and

00:12:10.760 criteria and instead we saw that women had very out of whack expectations they really wanted an

00:12:18.140 incredibly high status man and the high status man really didn't care that much about status he cared

00:12:23.000 more about her being kind of young and hot so that there's a lot of young hot people in this world 0.92

00:12:28.720 there's not a lot of high status men when guess what they're more born every single day

00:12:33.060 they just keep making them and the more the older you get the more there are young and hot people

00:12:38.100 out there it's and it's insane it's this is a losing battle but but you know the the status that

00:12:43.680 you've taken and my brother's wife taken which i think is really interesting and i think shows the

00:12:47.800 correct choice for a woman is to build up her husband marry early marry the type of guy who is 1.00

00:12:54.780 diligent hard-working and intelligent and cares for you and appreciates what you do for him

00:12:59.840 and build him up well but right that the other element of this on the guy's side though which

00:13:05.100 i think we've talked about occasionally is to get the fixer up our girl she doesn't need to be 1.00

00:13:11.120 completely politically aligned with you she needs to be open-minded and sufficiently intelligent to 1.00

00:13:15.540 have her mind changed if she's presented with compelling evidence and it's better i remember you telling

00:13:21.380 me when we were like early dating that it was very important for you to date girls who did not wear a 0.96

00:13:29.240 ton of makeup who had not had a ton of work done who were not really good at styling because then you

00:13:33.260 knew that you could buy an appreciated appreciating asset if you went after i know you wanted to fix

00:13:41.160 your upper it's like but it makes sense right if you're if you're looking for an appreciating asset

00:13:45.800 on the housing market i bought you i bought you for your yeah you you bought a beautiful

00:13:52.140 or your not your career because you were very early in your career at that point but your career

00:13:56.340 potential yeah and your work ethic your intelligence and your curiosity and i knew in all other

00:14:03.800 aspects you were a fixer-upper which only meant you were an appreciating asset right right you buy

00:14:08.220 you buy the rundown but old and very sturdy house that is the worst looking house in a really nice

00:14:15.300 neighborhood buy a house was good bone and you fixed it marry a partner with good bone and the 1.00

00:14:20.400 problem is that most guys that we know who are dating want to buy a house in a brand new neighborhood

00:14:26.420 that was either built in a very cheap new construction or was recently flipped and if you

00:14:31.260 just chip away a wall like it falls apart you know this is none of this is real it is all either

00:14:36.460 plastic surgery that's going to wear off soon or it's makeup or it's styling or it's filters

00:14:41.400 we live in a house made in the 1790s a lot of people out there are buying mcmansions

00:14:46.560 like who do you think deals is more house problems we almost never have house problems

00:14:50.860 yeah this thing's nice and it's dirty and people come and they are impressed with it

00:14:54.900 and they're like wow this is so regal you want a woman who's like a house from the 0.92

00:15:00.140 1790s not a house from the 1970s

00:15:04.000 we'll record a longer video on this at some point but this really reminds me of the modern

00:15:08.220 controversy about like country girls not being womanly enough because women are defining

00:15:13.380 womanliness by what womanliness was during the age of clueless

00:15:17.080 good morning y'all quick update on the house because i've been pretty terrible about giving

00:15:21.740 y'all these this went viral on twitter with the caption this accent needs to be illegal and women 1.00

00:15:26.740 should be banned from doing manual labor like this there is nothing feminine about american women 1.00

00:15:31.140 american women are literally men the person giving this white hot take is samira khan 1.00

00:15:36.320 in her view the guys that like hannah baron can't be straight men lebanese women are literally 0.99

00:15:41.360 perfect and they're actually feminine unlike estrogen deficient american women well or even worse 1.00

00:15:46.700 1990s the naughties they look good they look great they look like they're the instagram models of houses but

00:15:53.900 i i think the important thing to to come away with here though is that men and women need different

00:16:02.360 types of resources to be inspired to have kids and to be comfortable having kids

00:16:07.120 and a well-resourced man or a well-resourced partner is a better resource to a woman or better incentive to

00:16:16.080 have children to a woman than personal money than spending money than subsidies then here we're going to

00:16:23.400 talk about the second graph which is to say well then shouldn't we well let's let's read what the

00:16:28.200 tweet says yes it's by bennett's phylactery he says this is why you get the horseshoe graph if you

00:16:34.300 qualify for welfare someone else pays for the kids otherwise you need 200 to 250k to make the math work

00:16:40.300 about seven percent of u.s households and just to be clarify what he's showing here it's showing a

00:16:46.860 fertility rate by income level and it shows that on average a family that is non-white goes back above 1.00

00:16:54.440 fertility rate when they're super wealthy starting at around three i don't know like like 215k per year

00:17:02.620 whereas white families don't go above every population rate again until they're around like 0.94

00:17:08.920 350 a year yeah and that both white and non-white populations see their fertility plummet

00:17:15.820 once they are making between 25 and 50k a year and that is exactly when all the government subsidies

00:17:24.080 for child care for health care and for food disappear and it is genuinely astounding how much

00:17:30.760 at least in the united states because we had perney the list.org look at all the state resources for

00:17:34.540 parents how much is available to parents who are living at or around or below the poverty line

00:17:42.760 so you can get free quite commonly free child care free food free medical care it is it's amazing

00:17:50.760 but that that is what what he's pointing out here in a follow-up tweet he writes this doesn't mean

00:17:56.900 people can't quote-unquote afford to have kids it means they can't afford to pay someone else to raise

00:18:01.720 them which is indeed a historical privilege of the aristocracy so interestingly it is kind of true

00:18:07.540 that what these social service programs are essentially doing for those who utilize them

00:18:13.420 those with very low income levels is enabling them to raise children like the aristocracy in a culture 0.96

00:18:20.360 that doesn't really support family-based child rearing or community-based child rearing so in a world in which

00:18:27.300 child rearing is atomized and made a very economic commodity that everyone has to pay for on a one-off basis

00:18:33.680 the only way that you're going to be able to raise kids sustainably or affordably is by either having

00:18:40.920 someone else completely pay for it let the government be your trust fund or to have a trust fund or just

00:18:47.020 make a ton of money was there some follow-up about how any country that cares about this population

00:18:51.840 like women should oh you had shared with me another tweet i did not know if this was connected because it

00:18:59.080 was just a screenshot that you you shared with me but it was someone saying and this makes me angry i

00:19:03.960 just hate this i don't hate the person who tweeted it but i'm not going to say their name because i'm 0.51

00:19:07.840 saying that i hate what they said feminism is a nation killer because the whole point of it is to 1.00

00:19:12.300 extract labor from the woman that should be going into raising children and redirect it to various 0.98

00:19:17.480 useless parasites and the psyop is so good that they even get women to cheer for this outcome 1.00

00:19:22.340 and actually functional nation would exclude women aged 18 to 40 from full-time workforce 0.98

00:19:27.280 and you'd see a reduction in house prices rents high taxes wasteful government spending foreign aid

00:19:32.720 and all the other useless garbage so everyone would have the same level of material wealth 0.71

00:19:38.220 except we wouldn't be going extinct and i'm just so sick of the the go-to conservative response 0.99

00:19:47.200 to demographic collapse of like well our problem is that we let women work because women have been 1.00

00:19:54.680 working for fucking ever okay they've been working and raising kids and they've been doing with their 0.97

00:20:00.040 community there's a great graph of this which shows that what you really had was that and i'll put it 0.99

00:20:04.940 here that women used to work about as much as men and then the rate that women worked went down over 0.99

00:20:10.100 time with technological interventions it went up in the 70s the idea of taking women out of the 0.99

00:20:16.280 workforce is an anathema to women's history women used to work temporary aberration honestly now that i 1.00

00:20:21.620 think about it i'm a little confused as to how people was like even a base knowledge of history

00:20:26.520 could buy into this system that traditional women didn't work i mean we know in hunter-gatherer times 1.00

00:20:33.620 the women did steady work that would feed the family i.e. gather and men would do the more risky work that 0.97

00:20:40.400 would bring in the big kills i.e. hunt but even during the early agricultural period i mean women worked 1.00

00:20:47.460 the farm too did do they think that women and not only that but when it wasn't farming season if 1.00

00:20:54.200 anything women worked more than men because they would often be doing the sewing and stuff like that 1.00

00:20:58.980 which would then be sold in the local communities i mean i guess it was like a period of like 20 years

00:21:05.700 where women didn't really need to work due to technological advances maybe 50 years max but it was short 1.00

00:21:12.460 and you you and me would be so screwed if i didn't work you like why would i imagine if i just turned 0.62

00:21:20.800 to you and i was like hey malcolm how about you just do all of the work now and i'm just gonna chill 0.97

00:21:27.020 here at home with the kids i'm gonna help us make money because i'm not as competent as you and i'm not

00:21:33.940 as hard working as you no no we just have we bring like i keep saying we bring very different skills to

00:21:39.300 the table and without both of us bringing those skills to the table we are completely economically

00:21:44.920 and professionally hamstringed and this is another one of those big shames of the atomization of

00:21:49.780 of society and that married couples are 100 looking at their careers as being totally separate

00:21:55.840 and in the end they both kind of suck at what they do because they're not really combining their

00:22:01.700 different skills that should be overlapping or not overlapping should be called marriage is to cover

00:22:06.740 your blind spots yes hello to work together because you are not perfect no human is and to

00:22:12.740 look for somebody who covers all the parts of you yeah that you fail at and then utilize that in both

00:22:20.020 the professional and domestic sense you know as a parent you cover the things i'm not good at i cover

00:22:26.700 the things you're not good at as a somebody who's taking care of the home you cover the things i'm not

00:22:31.820 good at i cover the things you're not good at and professionally it's the same like yeah the idea

00:22:37.580 that you would attempt to tackle any of this alone i just can't even fathom it's and yet there's so many

00:22:42.780 people who've just decided that the problem is women getting educated the problem is women working 1.00

00:22:48.580 when no the problem is that couples are no longer becoming couples they're not even coordinating on

00:22:53.340 anything anymore they're not working together anymore communities are not working and coordinating

00:22:57.700 anymore you know it also used to be that communities were stronger like get in the kitchen right like

00:23:03.220 this famous line right like the woman's role is yeah make me a sandwich etc this was true of poor 0.83

00:23:09.300 families historically like poor dysfunctional families that had no status in society this was not true of

00:23:16.900 wealthy families historically usually the women played a large part in the economic management of the 1.00

00:23:21.620 families assets like you are emulating poor trash humans basically when you take on these positions 0.97

00:23:29.820 even from a historic perspective what would we call trailer trash before oh no we would just call 0.78

00:23:37.680 them gypsies oh god there were always people in trailers and we still were mean to them no i would 1.00

00:23:43.480 call them surfs surfs were the original not even surfs because surfs worked they were probably like

00:23:49.340 low-class merchants or something yeah i mean the the idea that you would have someone like and

00:23:57.380 think about on the frontier right the type of person who like kept his wife in the kitchen this was like

00:24:04.460 your severe drunkard like barely able to handle himself glass of whiskey everywhere he went you know

00:24:13.260 falling over yelling at trees like trees uh that that's funny because it's true no it is true this 0.71

00:24:21.800 was like a thing back then this was not you're like a competent individual you know you look at like

00:24:26.800 abigail adams and john adams for example right right these are two very hard-working people who did real

00:24:33.460 work and who collaborated deeply you know everything they did was together it was not separate abigail

00:24:40.200 played a crucial role as an advisor and a sounding board to john adams and and she also ran their

00:24:48.380 properties and farms and when he was on his trips doing his like me promoting the podcast i'm out

00:24:54.280 promoting the podcast you're running our companies right like it's it's it's the way that the elite of

00:25:02.140 humanity has always functioned we just forgot yeah but again we so you know coming back to like

00:25:08.280 why not why not give women money why not have women win the lottery or give them subsidies 1.00

00:25:13.700 it i just can't really see ever having the comfort to do all of that in isolation by myself i know a

00:25:21.640 lot of people talk about doing it by themselves and a lot of people end up doing it by themselves but

00:25:25.340 it's really freaking hard but it's a perversion of the joint bank account it's a perversion of i'm

00:25:30.680 sorry the non-joint bank account yeah separate bank accounts in a married couple the separate

00:25:34.700 identities in a married couple okay you're not willing to combine who you are with somebody else

00:25:40.380 then you're probably not willing to be married well you're probably not willing to give your

00:25:45.020 life to children as well right yeah the practice guide to crafting religion when we talk about like

00:25:49.600 our religious structure we sort of frame life as a iterative movement away from the self like you

00:25:57.920 start as a child this thing that like needs from its environment around it needs from its family

00:26:02.720 you're nothing but a drain on those around you then but you are also singular then you become a

00:26:08.940 self-sufficient individual and like a totally independent individual then you become married

00:26:15.800 and you become a partner to someone else you become part of a holistic team where you are half of that

00:26:20.820 team then you become part of a family right where you are the head of the family or or one of the

00:26:28.180 heads of the family insofar as you are guiding the next generation guiding these next hungry

00:26:33.120 individualists and then you die and you become a memory and part of the family tradition and that

00:26:39.960 this is a journey when properly pursued as a journey away from individualism and towards an ethereal memory

00:26:48.460 when the individuals who cling to whatever stage of this cycle they cling to this individualist stage

00:26:55.020 or they cling to this i want me me me me me more you know that's what the the individual like a

00:27:00.540 chris chan or something is doing the individual who lives off the state the individual who lives off

00:27:04.540 society me me me me me always me they never really evolved past this childlike state

00:27:09.480 or you're the secondary individual the individual who's always an individual always must be

00:27:15.720 independent you know they're always in this sort of teenage version of themselves or the individual

00:27:21.220 who's always their married partner you know not a family right like they're always in this early

00:27:26.600 married early 30s version of themselves right anyway yeah huh so how how palatable do you think this

00:27:37.440 is going to be you know give men money only give a male subsidy all all income should go straight to the 1.00

00:27:44.180 man that's not but no see that's the thing is i am against this idea of financially and legally

00:27:51.220 disempowering women that is not the point women should have property rights they should have you 1.00

00:27:57.440 know are you sure yes yes i think the problem though is because i mean you can see it creates a ton of

00:28:07.140 adverse incentives when someone has the ability to with impunity make a lot of decisions around property

00:28:12.920 and also it creates so in our relationship for example you make the final call on everything

00:28:19.640 you you if i say no you can veto something you it is ultimately your decision but the reason why that's

00:28:26.000 powerful and the reason why you are always going to be incentivized to make good decisions is you know

00:28:31.480 that in the end if you make a decision that i'm super not cool with that's the end of our marriage

00:28:35.800 period you're gone like you have no more simone as a resource it's gone and you don't want that so

00:28:40.480 you're not going to make decisions that i'm not going to be okay with you may make decisions that

00:28:44.560 i'm uncomfortable with you may ultimately obligate me to do the responsible thing that i don't have

00:28:49.020 the self-control to do which i really appreciate and that's usually whenever i'm not exactly on board

00:28:54.520 it's not because i disagree with you it's because i don't wanna but if you take that away and there is

00:29:00.840 no out for the women there is no financial recourse there is no there is no way for them to exit 1.00

00:29:07.180 there is less of an incentive to make the right decision and i could always trust you even if you

00:29:13.680 100 percent have control of all the property and i as a woman had zero rights i know that i could 0.99

00:29:18.440 trust you to make the right decision but we have the alternate scenario here she manages all of our

00:29:23.400 bank accounts all of our investments i don't even know where the money is with our crypto and stuff

00:29:27.600 like that yeah you tortured me i'd be like i don't know i wasn't paying attention it's hard

00:29:33.160 it's i anyway i i think a lot of people could not be trusted with that level of power and oversight

00:29:43.800 even though i could trust you with that you trust me with it because i trust you with all the actual

00:29:48.860 stuff it's true i have i have all the power so i guess yeah because you gave it all to me even

00:29:54.520 though you didn't have i gave it all to you out of laziness by the way this stuff is hard and i

00:29:59.760 don't like thinking about it you know i don't necessarily want it either dislike of gambling to

00:30:05.960 the level where like i hate investment because like it feels like gambling i'm forced to do to be

00:30:11.100 financially responsible what on earth right so screwed up but you hey you did a gamble in las vegas

00:30:17.480 right and then you put in i gambled a dollar it was very difficult in a slot machine and we won

00:30:23.480 it just was on a very the situation it did a thing it went

00:30:28.080 and you can pull it a surprising number of times for one dollar i thought it might be one dollar for

00:30:35.840 one pull but no i gotta pull it up many times yeah i guess now i understand why people can sit in

00:30:41.040 front of slot machines in las vegas for so long because it we it was getting to the point where we

00:30:46.360 were really ready to go but we felt like we had to go through the whole dollar right yeah we gotta pull

00:30:52.780 pull to the end pull pull pull it was weird yeah i don't i don't recommend gambles

00:30:59.640 yeah i don't recommend that's i think the genetic thing like gambling stuff like that it's like are

00:31:06.700 you programmed to get a big hit from these environments yeah yeah but anyway what i'm saying

00:31:16.980 about women and property is that we need a free market i'm very much a believer in free markets 1.00

00:31:23.600 if you do not subject people to market pressures then let the invisible hand work things out in a

00:31:29.520 natural way because what is a free market but the human complicated civilizational level version of

00:31:35.980 of evolution you know so if you take that away and you you artificially disempower one class of

00:31:44.000 society one group one sex whatever then you're going to start to get market inefficiencies

00:31:49.360 and so we need for you the course in is market inefficiencies well it that's what it creates and

00:31:56.780 that's why i don't like it like we are like you said in an earlier conversation we had very results

00:32:02.100 oriented people so obviously if wokeism or communism or socialism or whatever it might be stuff that we're

00:32:08.500 not necessarily super on board with was proven right we could be fully on board like we're there

00:32:14.640 show us show us how it works and we're there so if disempowering women and sending them back to the 1.00

00:32:20.180 kitchen and taking away their bank accounts and whatever it may be created the society that we

00:32:25.060 thought was ideal that would create human flourishing that would get us off planet that

00:32:28.060 would help us overcome all of our shortcomings 100 take it away okay but that's just not what would 0.74

00:32:35.300 happen and i'm so fucking sick of all these and it's always guys but sometimes pick me women 0.99

00:32:40.980 but not really pick me women because they're not even capable of making these arguments in a very 1.00

00:32:45.080 articulate fashion saying that's the problem it's women getting educated it's women going into work 1.00

00:32:51.660 and that's no no no i love you so much simone and i am so excited that we have this podcast together

00:33:02.040 and we're about to pass the 10 000 number so let's see i don't know yes okay so please if you're

00:33:07.660 listening to this and yes we have punchable faces or whatever but if you have enjoyed or you just want

00:33:14.180 other people to want to punch our faces here's what you should do go steal someone's iphone because

00:33:20.660 you probably don't have one cool people don't have iphones do they except for their like really rich

00:33:24.460 tech devices or people who are trying to front so go find someone with an iphone or an ipad

00:33:28.900 log in to apple podcasts give us a five-star review so that more people can find and hate us

00:33:35.880 and also if you are on youtube please like and subscribe yeah well you're probably going to end

00:33:40.480 up on kiwi farms or encyclopedia dramatica i'm surprised we're not on kiwi farms yet there's not

00:33:45.940 enough there's not enough lol cow we're not we're not enough of a lol cow i will work harder i will 0.98

00:33:53.260 endeavor to be the lowliest of cows no you have to like absolutely actually lose your shit so like 0.99

00:33:59.580 you know that people people like making fun of that kid who when you say something to them then 0.99

00:34:05.620 they squeal like a little pig and start freaking out and i think that's a more common we we like the

00:34:11.800 negative attention a little too much or too much into it and so it's not fun because it's not fun to

00:34:19.280 bully someone when they're like yeah yeah i'm hanging out on the kiwi this is cool you guys are

00:34:25.660 paying attention you should you should talk about this thing too it just then no then it becomes

00:34:30.220 homework so i'm i'm afraid you're kind of doomed on that front i'm sorry but it's uh it's a truth

00:34:36.240 it's a six-hand truth oh wait actually we need one of our fans to create the kiwi farms page for us

00:34:42.500 it is always actually managed by somebody who doesn't hate us no no it has to be managed by

00:34:49.700 someone who actually hates us and thinks that we're amusing but i don't know it just doesn't

00:34:53.140 work it doesn't work i don't think we're ever going to end up there and maybe i will work hard

00:34:58.040 to prove you wrong on that simon well you're gonna have to like i don't know i'll roofie you

00:35:04.220 i guess and then you'll have to you already have why am i married to you we're going to that new

00:35:08.980 york event on friday so i will roofie you i will take away your clothes and then i will just punt

00:35:15.060 you out of the hotel room and then maybe you know something i could put a body cam on you 0.96

00:35:23.460 so that they see me running around saying my wife has abandoned me i i mean i honestly do not know

00:35:30.700 what it would take but yeah i i think also like a very common element of kiwi farms lol cows is that

00:35:37.780 they have a very big lack of self-awareness people think i have a lack of self-awareness

00:35:44.360 and i think you have enough of a sense of self-awareness or i'm so much like you

00:35:50.220 slash i am you and you're just recording this two times over cross-dressed as me where

00:35:56.160 i love that conspiracy theory this is a real conspiracy theory about us by the way but it's true

00:36:01.420 because obviously and why else are we in separate rooms makeup and and and a different outfit

00:36:10.620 yeah maybe a few years apart with hormones not really because my face is super different but

00:36:17.340 nevertheless i think for example even ayla doesn't really have a kiwi farms page a lot of people are

00:36:24.220 just like can you believe her in her surveys she doesn't include trigger warnings like so there's

00:36:30.380 nothing on her there because she's very self-aware so even people who you would think would be great

00:36:37.340 you know who say very outlandish things who are my thing about ayla recently and i almost want to do

00:36:41.980 a full episode on this is she's like a yazaki anime i don't know if you'll know yazaki animes

00:36:47.020 this is an amazing no no sorry no no no izakaya is that the tapas of japan yes that's why i said

00:36:53.600 yazaki anyway so a character no i think it's izakai izakai anyway character ends up dying waking up

00:36:59.840 in a different world ayla yet again released her stats on things like showers rates of sex rates of 1.00

00:37:07.920 going outside and people are like oh my god like she showers what like i don't know

00:37:14.280 like a few twice a week or something like not as much as you would expect you know with a lot of

00:37:20.800 people and i am just convinced that she is an izakai from like a different parallel universe

00:37:27.780 there was some like fat gamer anime nerd red pill guy right who got reincarnated as a full all stats

00:37:41.320 character in our reality max attractive max smart max smart max attractive max everything 0.98

00:37:48.280 yeah and he's like oh god what do i do with my life what i can just have sex for money now this is

00:37:54.780 awesome what i can just like bend my entire life doing random research and everyone respects me 0.99

00:38:02.460 what i can just she puts up with a lot of shit malcolm a lot of people don't respect her and i 1.00

00:38:07.840 don't understand that because she is what i don't understand is that she's she's also she out 0.97

00:38:13.100 wholesomes pretty much everyone i know she is more wholesome oh no absolutely if you know her 1.00

00:38:18.120 personally she's incredibly wholesome she's well she's earnest she's honest she's intellectually

00:38:22.580 humble even like she wants to have a family she supports her family she's there for her sisters like 0.78

00:38:28.040 i'm sorry do you do that i don't think so it's it's it's the fat guy with the cheeto dust always 0.59

00:38:34.280 dies jumping in front of a train saving a girl or something yeah and he has his harem in the harem

00:38:38.660 comedies because he's just such a nice guy that's why he gets reincarnated in many ways it's the best

00:38:44.560 izakai reincarnation the best gift for being this otherwise perfectly honorable character honestly you

00:38:52.000 could make an anime about ayla's life where she is an izakai character there are like 10 different

00:38:56.740 anime angles on ayla's life because and i think it would be a fantastic anime any anime about ayla

00:39:04.760 would be fantastic she's just it would be like the harry potter message of rationality no the one

00:39:09.880 that i want to watch either the the the food wars version of ayla's life where it's about like you learn

00:39:17.980 about her research through completely outlandish episodes that involve competitions or i would want

00:39:25.040 to watch the therme rome version of an ayla anime where it's you know like somehow like i want the

00:39:32.280 instructional element of it i just want that but the therme rome on netflix is terrible i accidentally

00:39:37.700 not the new one the original obviously the original therme rome people might not know this is one of the

00:39:42.520 best enemies ever made the new therme rome that's like on i don't know if it's on netflix there's some

00:39:46.720 you have to pirate it okay sorry no don't pirate anything pirating is illegal i think you can just

00:39:54.940 watch it on youtube yeah i think you can just watch that's where we found it it's fantastic the

00:39:59.400 original yeah don't you dare don't you dare watch the new one anyway i gosh i just miss you i love

00:40:06.100 talking with you yes people who might not know this and i should know like i've been really disappointed

00:40:10.400 in our episode quality recently and it's because the episodes we've been airing recently we're doing

00:40:15.880 a period where we were prepping for a big backlog because we were going to travel you know last

00:40:20.200 weekend i was in new hampshire the weekend before that i was in las vegas speaking at various

00:40:24.880 conferences and simone's super pregnant and you know we're super behind on a lot of work so we're just

00:40:30.580 like oh let's prep on weekends we'll do like 10 episodes in a day but it led to us filming episodes

00:40:36.440 where i felt like i had sort of run out of ideas by the end of the day and that were kind of bad but we

00:40:42.020 needed to build this backlog and we're going to stick with a daily upload schedule and i'm sorry

00:40:46.760 we did that to you guys and hopefully that won't happen again i know we're building another backlog

00:40:51.180 for when she is having the kid because she's like i probably won't be able to record for a week or so

00:40:56.420 but other than that yeah i'm i'm sorry we have not been at the quality that i would like to be in terms

00:41:05.180 of baseness spiciness and new takes we'll get back on that train we'll get back on the spice train

00:41:11.720 the spice must flow the spice must flow oh my god simone you know what you're on about

00:41:18.840 i love you you are like a nerd

00:41:22.420 i don't even know

00:41:25.540 oh god oh all right hot dog night let's do it so tonight she's making hot dogs and we cut them up 1.00

00:41:34.880 and we put them in the little hawaiian buns which are sweet and then i put them in with shallots

00:41:38.220 which i'm getting today and some fancy sauces which i collect and i'm very very very excited

00:41:43.660 for my little hot dog buns yeah so you you cut the rich person onions all to everything else

00:41:48.140 you good to go yeah it's on friend as we call shallots rich person onions because uncle roger

00:41:53.840 because uncle roger says that we are we are men of we are we are men of culture are men of culture

00:41:59.360 yes and status we learn all of our cooking information from uncle roger as everyone should

00:42:04.880 and well that and food wars uncle roger and food wars that's where i have learned

00:42:10.460 god bless all right i love you i love you too malcolm

00:42:16.500 god bless all right

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Based Camp - April 29, 2024

Would Taking Away Women’s Right to Own Property Solve the Fertility Crisis？

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