Yakub Is the LEAST Crazy Thing About The Nation Of Islam
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Summary
The founder of the largest black supremacist religion in the 20th century was a white man of mixed-polynesian and possibly mixed-race descent. He claimed to be from the Middle East, claiming to be a prophet from the lost tribe of Shabazzia known as the Lost Tribe of Shaabazz. He preached that black people were the original people, not devils, and that white people were created by an evil scientist named Yakub.
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hello simone you have been excited about this episode since i gave you the dirt because i was
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like did you know because i didn't know this i looked at everyone's always joking about the
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whole yakub story and nation of islam and what a bunch of silly beliefs and and then some i was
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watching the video and it just dropped it and it was like and by the way it was founded by a white
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guy and i was like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa the largest black supremacist
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religion i think it's the largest on earth right now was founded by a white guy i was like i need
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to drill in on that this is like fat positivity being founded by chubby chasers like by men no
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no it's worse it was founded by a white guy as a joke to troll african americans so do we have reason to
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believe it was actually a joke and not like not something else it was likely a way to make money
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combined with a joke okay so like a scam okay wow wow okay oh let's get so excited for this
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episode you have no idea yeah yeah oh and it gets crazier many of the ideas in it were actually lifted
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from white nationalist conspiracy groups that would do mailers and you could like pay to have like
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mail sent to you about the way the world really works you know how like when the internet started
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you could like pay to get like the schematics for a time machine or something like that no
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if you go to like the 1920s this was common for like religious stuff like like like yeah i'd say
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like theosophical society stuff paranormal society stuff and a number of them were tied to white
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nationalist organizations and they were the ones that he constructed his religion out of
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oh no this is gonna get so crazy so wild let's dive in and simone didn't leave me at first and
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she had to google the guy no no no no i was like no he is definitely there's no way this is possible
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i was gonna be like well actually it's wrong keep in mind this is like the religion of like
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malcolm x and like muhammad ali right like this is like major black people have followed this as
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like a faith structure i think it's pretty big even in philadelphia oh yeah yeah and well it's
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shrinking now it's basically falling apart probably good in light of this i
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yeah okay so the founder wallace d ferrard also known as wally dodd ferrard wallace ferrard etc
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he was a mysterious figure who appeared in detroit in 1930s selling skills door to door in black
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neighborhoods claiming to be from the middle east variously mecca the east the tribe of shabazz
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shabazz most contemporary police records fbi files newspaper investigations from the 1930s to 1960s
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and scholarly research identify him as wallace dodd ford a white man of new zealand european and possibly
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mixed british polynesian descent what 1891 to 1893 sources differ he was either born in new zealand
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hawaii or portland oregon uh he has a criminal record in california under the name wally dodd ford
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arrested multiple times in the 1920s for bootlegging and assault and a 1926 prison sentence in san quentin
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for drug dealing he is described by both court records and ex-wives as caucasian so no if you're like
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well maybe he was a little polynesian or a little something that like that we know from all of his
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arrest records and when he was in prison he was described on all of the records during that more
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racist period of history as caucasian and all of his exes called him caucasian no and we'll we'll learn
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what he thought about black people in a second which wasn't a lot he was married multiple times two to
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three wives some simultaneously and had children and used at least a dozen aliases he spoke as a pronounced
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new zealand or british type accent okay so so how did this work i was like wait wait wait yeah this
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is how did a white guy start a black supremacist religion okay so 1930s detroit farard began teaching
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black residents that they were the original people the lost tribe of shabazz stolen from asia not africa
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and that white people were devils created by an evil scientist named yakub he claimed to be a prophet sent
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by allah and eventually declared himself god in person his teaching mixed elements of garveyism
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freemasonry jehovah's witnesses islam very loosely and science fiction like racial mythology
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thousands of followers very quickly in the middle of the great depression elijah pool later elijah
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muhammad became his most devoted disciple and was named supreme minister farred disappeared
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completely in 1934 probably fled detroit after a human sacrifice scandal involving one of his
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followers in intense police scrutiny the noi teaches that he quote-unquote departed or was
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allah who completed his mission elijah muhammad then took over and built the organization into what it
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became note that the nation of islam officially denies that he is white today they hold that master
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fraud muhammad was a quote-unquote black man born in mecca and that claims that he was
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counter filerobio something or fbi files however virtually all non-noi the nation of islam historians
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would say as well as carl evans messenger fbi files that have been declassified and the 1970s detroit
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police records conclude that he was white and the same man as wallace dodd ford oh boy okay so i'm not
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crazy because i did a deep dive on the nation of islam like beliefs and i thought he was he was
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black but then of course that's what i would have been told if i was just looking into the beliefs
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so okay this is maybe why a lot of people who like found the other crazy stuff didn't find this yeah
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because if you're digging into it from their own sources which is crazy enough yeah yeah they're not
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going to tell you you're like oh i want to learn more of this uh this yakub story you're not gonna
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we're gonna go into where that story came from and everything okay all right so of course you know
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the first thing i'm like is wait wait wait why did a white guy start a black supremacist religion
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right so there's three that are hypothesized okay okay four just pure grift con man hustle
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he had a long history of scams bootlegging and living off of women in early 1930s detroit was full
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of unemployed black migrants from the south who were desperate for hope and identity
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by posing as the exotic eastern prophet he gained money followers paid dues and brought products he
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sold free housing and sexual access to multiple women in the group several early members later said
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he had a harem-like arrangement this fits the pattern of dozens of cult leaders in american history
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two influence from earlier occult and more society teachers he most certainly knew noble drew
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ali the founder of the moorish science temple and may have been a member for a while and we're
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going to go into these other religions that he drew from because they're equally fascinating
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he also borrowed heavily from an occult mail order group called the royal fraternity of master
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metaphysicians and from white theosophical writings about lost tribes atlantis and yakub style
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eugenic stories that were floating around in the 1920s he simply reversed the racial hierarchy
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instead of white people being superior black people were the original gods and white people were
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devils this was new and electrifying to his audience and this is the more interesting one here okay
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personal revenge or a psychological motive some researchers especially carl evans in the messenger
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speculate that he may have had mixed race ancestry himself and a deep resentment towards both white and
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black communities however what i find most interesting is one of his ex-wives so remember the fbi released
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all the files they had on him well they have interviews one of his ex-wives no she didn't think
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this would make her famous she didn't know anything that was going to come of this she was just talking
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to the fbi right in in private right like and this was released like after she's dead right so again
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this isn't like somebody trained to grift off of this is it just somebody in a room with the fbi okay
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said that he hated quote unquote in words i'm not going to say it called them stupid and yet made his
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living off of them it's possible that the whole thing started as some elaborate troll or revenge
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fantasy that got out of hand which very interesting here and i i think that this is the most plausible
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he likely made his money trolling this community if you look at some of the other things that he sold
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they were like blatant scams and he seemed to get off off of blatantly scamming a community he saw as
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inferior to himself and really liked sleeping with and living off of multiple women off of
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simultaneously he had a history of doing this yes it would just be his thing it's like how he related
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to the world yeah it was just his thing right so that is appears to what happened so for more
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information on this in 1957 the fbi interviewed hazel barton ford farb's common-law wife around 1919 to 1924
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in los angeles who provided key insights into his private character she described him as a white new
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zealander caucasian features swarthy complexion who operated a restaurant and had a criminal history
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under the aliases of fred dodd more pointedly she revealed far's disdain for black people he reportedly
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called them stupid and ignorant viewing them as easy marks for exploitation rather than equals despite
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this he made his living off of black communities first as a sailman then through the nation of islam
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nation of islam's dues and product sales sales skills and lessons which i just find that really
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really fascinating although i mean i guess when i think about it so many cult leaders were inherently
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exploitative and dismissive toward their quote-unquote adherence so maybe this isn't so crazy like this is
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what i should expect well you do see that right like you know and then they might begin to believe it
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after a while like i mean like what joseph smith did with all of his early adherents who were men
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and their wives right he'd like send them off to do something and they'd be like oh my the way i'm
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taking the way you know yeah so the we won't get too hard into the the moron stuff i decided to
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double check this just to make sure we're not you know saying anything that's not accurate here so
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joseph smith introduced the practice of plural marriages starting in the 1830s claiming it was a
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divine revelation he had approximately 30 to 35 plural wives by the time of his death many of
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these ceilings kept secret from even his wife emma and about 11 to 14 of these women were legally
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married to other men at the time out of the 14 documented polyandrous ceilings at least 10 involved
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husbands who were not on missions at the time but three to four of these instances had timing unclear
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and the basically the husbands may have been away on something like a mission i i think i'm probably
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easier like l ron hubbard clearly did not believe it to start i mean it's structured like a science
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fiction story he was a science fiction author he joked about starting cults to make money before that
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i do think he believed it by the time he died you have you have listen well i mean my point with the
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lds church is i actually think what the lds church eventually became was freaking amazing but i do think
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that there's something about being an initial leader of a religious movement that i mean it if
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you're more exploitative there there seems to be a correlation at least between exploitative behavior
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well and and i think it stopped when he started to believe he was god or one of god's messengers
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we're not going to go that deep into to their philosophy but let's let's talk about the other
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weird thing here why did he disappear like that seems weird you know you're running a successful grift
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it seems like you had a pretty good arrangement going with this whole thing why did he just
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disappear out of nowhere in 1934 just as things were taking off right well we have a clearer answer
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to that one in november 1932 one of his followers robert camille harris carried out a quote-unquote
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human sacrifice to quote-unquote bring himself closer to allah killing his roommate on an altar the
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police investigation put massive heat on fraud's temple fraud was arrested fingerprinted in order to
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leave detroit he came back secretly anyway got arrested again in 1933 and 1934 in his last known
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police interview chicago may 1933 then detroit 1934 he promised the police that he would disband the
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organization and leave forever if they let him go after being released in mid-1934 he vanished
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completely no confirmed sighting after that so there's two main theories but let's just get in his head
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here okay so yeah you're a guy in your organization does a human sacrifice not great you have started
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this as an intentional grift on people it's been a little hot time to skip town but you're like i have
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such a good thing going there i should probably go back see what i can do etc you go back you get caught
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again almost immediately and the police basically say we're detaining you indefinitely in in association
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with that murder or disband the organization and get out of town you try to disband the organization
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everyone's like yeah i don't think so and even if you're going to why not just get out of town before
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disbanding maybe have few people still send you money here and there right yeah no true true so he
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disappears from the record after that point there's there's two theories one is that he just
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disappeared left right there's been some unconfirmed reports that placed a wally ford in california or
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new zealand decades later so maybe he lives quietly somewhere i think that that's a lot less likely
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because he doesn't seem like the type of person who as his religion got larger and larger would have
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been able to not come back as the founder oh that's a good point yeah yeah like if it just disbanded i
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could imagine him changing identities again and again forever and just grifting from one thing to
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the next but you're right this got big yeah that he was killed by rivals inside the movement elijah
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muhammad who took over after him later hinted that he had quote-unquote departed on mother plane
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ufo theology and also that quote-unquote hypocrites may have murdered him so um when the guy who takes
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over after him is like well you know some people in our movement may have murdered him i don't know
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one way or the other i think that is probably more likely what happened but anyway they they say that
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he left on a ufo or was a law and left so let's get to some of these other religions and movements
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that inspired it right gravyism have you heard of this are they referring to the sauce no it was
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inspired by somebody named marcus gravy no and his universal in improvement association i'm not
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even going to say that like sanitized version of that word i don't want you know i can see you
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worshipping a sauce-based religion that you're all demonetization it's not demonetization what's
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getting the channel banned saga so i'm just going to be very safe and what i'm talking about here even
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though this is spicy as heck because i've just given up doing that we had a little arc where i was going
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to pretend to be a good boy i'm not going to pretend to be a good boy no no there's just too many interesting
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ideas and things going on in the world yeah people will find me again if youtube decides to be very
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strict with me but i i hope it doesn't come to that but anyway so the key ideas of gravyism were
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that black people should be proud of their race and african heritage the back to africa movement gravy
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tried to buy ships and resettle black africans in liberia black economic self-reliance quote unquote
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by black black nationalism and separatism he argued for no integration with whites at its peak the
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unia had millions of members and was one of the largest black organizations in history
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fard borrowed a lot from gravy racial pride separatism economic independence even the red
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black green flag colors the big difference is gravy was a christian who wanted to go back to africa
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while fraud taught that black people came from asia and that islam was the original religion
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and that whites were literal devils the next place he drew information was the moorish science temple
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which was active between 1909 and 1929 so the real name timothy drew 1886 to 1929 was born in north
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carolina he claimed to be a prophet who had been initiated in egypt and founded the first mass
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quote-unquote islamic movement for black americans the moorish science temple of america msta in newark
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new jersey in 1913 then moved his headquarters to chicago so it's really interesting is this was the first
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major black islamic organization in the united states and this is another large early one was
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this other one what you'll learn and we'll go over here later is they basically have very little to
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almost nothing islamic about them uh they are not derivations of islamic theology they took islam
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people from that period i mean it's the 1920s you don't have the internet or something yes it's sort of
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foreign it's like oh this is from a region where like darker skin color people live and is one of
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old religions you know yeah yeah yeah the moors etc blah blah blah yeah yeah so it's basically like
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a name that they could use that prescribed their religion was like ancient associations and
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potentially black associations but none of them really seemed to know much about what islam was
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actually about all right so it was in the moorish temple black americans were not in words but they
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were asiatics more specifically moors or moorish americans descendants from moabites or canaanites
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their true religion was islam but an americanized version with jesus and buddha as prophets they should
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drop their slave names and add l or bay exactly what the nation of islam also did white people stole
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their history and nationality reclaiming moorish identities freeze them the red wait would it be
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like simone bay malcolm l i think it might be like l malcolm l simone or bay bay simone oh it'd be
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l malcolm i think in bay simone basement might even be where the term like bay hey bay you know like
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wonder oh my gosh all each other bay like hey bay what up like that that might be where this comes from
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it is not so first the l or bay while it was very common in the moorish temple when the nation of islam
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members started doing this while they did this rarely the more common thing with noi members was to
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replace their surnames with an x to symbolize the unknown surnames in their family history lost to
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africa as for the modern use of the term bay the term bay emerged in african american vernacular
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in the early 2000s as a shortened form of baby or babe used as a term of endearment for romantic
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partners or close friends or even platonically among women it has no connection that we know of
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to either the moorish temple or the nation of islam so just a convergent evolution the red fez was the
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crescent and the five-pointed star the circle seven symbol if you've seen that the fez like a black
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person during a fez yeah that that comes from this um oh my god okay so how was he exposed to them
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fard lived in chicago the moorish science capital in the 1920s and early 1930s several of fard's
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earliest followers in detroit including elijah muhammad's own brother had previously been members
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of the moorish science temple when police arrested ford in 1932 one of the charges was that he was
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encouraging former moorish science members to leave drew ali's movement and to join him after drew ali
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died in 1929 the msta fractured into many rival fractions far to simply started his own splinter
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group changed moorish to asiatic tribe of shabazz and replaced the circle seven quran with his own
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two short books secret ritual of the nation of islam and teaching for the lost found nation of islam
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in a mathematical way and declared himself god instead of just a prophet i i really like the the
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names of those books by the way teaching for the lost found nation of islam in a mathematical way
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all right it's more easy reads both of these books as well right great yes oh my now here is where
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it gets really crazy okay the occult mail order sources and the royal fraternity of the master of
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metaphysicians in the 1920s and the siosophical in russian lore so far as most distinctive teachings
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and bizarre doctrines did not come from as long a gravy they came almost verbatim from white occult groups
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that were mailing lessons to anyone who wanted to spend a few dollars i mean the only thing better
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than a cult is mail order a cult you know it's all the fun of a cult none of the awkwardness of being
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with people in person you know but by the way before i go further what are your thoughts so far
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loving every bit of this i'm so disappointed though like i would much rather have this trend
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having taken place after black panther got big and like i what i want it's a whole bunch of people
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to like try to build scams about wakanda being real but then for people to yes and it to the point of it
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actually being real because i want this like black exceptionalism tech world i think it would be so
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freaking cool and i'm just really mad that that's not what happened because i want wakanda to be real i
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want wakanda forever and i love their beautiful outfits and tech and it's very annoying so that's
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my only that's what keeps occurring to me now i'm just angry about that yeah i hear you i just i find
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it so wild that i have watched so many videos about the yakub story i have never heard about all of this
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nonsense well yeah and i just i think it's one of those you know that scientific study where they're
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like you know count how many times they're bouncing the basketball and then the the subjects are watching
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it in a video and they totally miss there's a gorilla walking by in the background yeah the
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thing is with the nation of islam like yakub and like white people were created in this terrible
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experiment blah blah blah something something well hold on you're just so distracted watching that
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that they don't realize the gorilla walking in the background of like and this was all written by a
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white guy yeah the gorilla walking in the background that it was a white con artist who hated black
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people yes did you see the white colon artist walking in the back what no what wait what anyway
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to continue here the royal fraternity of the master of metaphysicians based in new york and later moved
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to a mansion they called peace haven in new jersey in the 1930s they ran full page ads in magazines
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offering quote-unquote ancient wisdom for one dollar their teachings included the quote-unquote mother plane
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remember how the other guy the guy after him who ran it talked about the mother plane yeah so the
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mother plane came directly from this organization okay or the quote-unquote great wheel in the sekai
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a great spaceship that circles the earth okay they also also nice and sphere remember yakub the
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scientist from 6 000 years ago okay these guys also had an evil scientist from 6 000 years ago who created
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the white race on an island of patamos even though selective breeding and grafting compared to yakubo
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so they that story was literally lifted from this organization god forbid people create their own
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stories and get a little creative yeah that the original people lived 76 trillion years ago on the moon
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the fbi files and the chicago detectives in the 1950s interviewed former members of this group who
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recognized entire paragraphs of farad's secret lessons as plagiarized from the master metaphysician
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booklets so he just took some of the booklets and literally just plagiarized them i mean that's what
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a conard would do he's like oh i need some crazy nonsense he might have read one of these thought it
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was yeah i'm a conard it's not a writer don't ask me to do these things i think it's more that he might
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have just thought it was ridiculous and stupid and remember that he looked down on black people so he's
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like oh they'll eat this right up uniquely ridiculous and stupid oh boy like let's just
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like take it and add it to this right and the the you know 6 000 years ago science on an island you know
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breeding the white race or whatever right could he have seen that and be like oh that would probably
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work well for some like you know black communities or something if i'm trying to explain why white people
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are so bad you know yeah i'll just do that right like and he took yakub from a different organization
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we'll talk about where he got them from okay 1920s theosophy rosecution and ancient astronaut style
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books so these books were popular in the occult world at the time you had the secret doctrine by
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heather bolansky that's the one who we talked about who the the tiny mustache man who we're not going to
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talk about on this channel shall not be named his army marched under their symbol their pagan symbol
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the theosophical society and and they were also known to have a lot of ties to those sorts of groups
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isis unveiled god man the world made flesh by george w carley a bizarre biblical alchemical
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interpretations that show up in the nation of islam as quote-unquote actual facts and 120 degrees
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works by a white supremacist occultist named jame churchworld mu lamari books and william dudley
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pedley silver shirts f-word which i'm not going to say because i don't want to get the video flagged
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uh who wrote about quote-unquote wheel-shaped space crap and yakub-like stories so this this was like
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the silver shirts were related to like the brown and black shirts i just don't use the f-word anymore
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because i don't want to get you know anyone triggered right far to simply took these white
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esoteric teachings and reverse the races and then packaged them as quote-unquote supreme wisdom now
00:26:14.480
a fun one here is is okay how how far were these groups you know so we'll talk about the theosophical
00:26:19.440
society yeah though blavowski wasn't explicitly a nazi she predated them her quote-unquote root races
00:26:28.240
theory posited aryan as the fifth most advanced race superior to quote-unquote inferior races like
00:26:35.120
semites and africans fifth i don't know fifth is kind of like a well i think most of those races are
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ones that like we don't know of is actually existing on earth i think they're like she called them
00:26:48.000
specifically semites in africa semi-animal so you can see why the the the h guy thought she was a
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a real swell person a swell gal and this inspired german area safi or occult arianism and anyway you
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what what's funny about this is if you hear the ideology of the nation of islam you've got an
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extreme level of anti-semitism within it you've got an extreme level of sort of in-group supremacy
00:27:16.800
like we are the best people on earth the you know and we need to like purify our genetic line
00:27:22.960
and then you look at little mustache man ideology and you're like these two ideologies look remarkably
00:27:30.480
similar was it convergent evolution and it's nope they plagiarized the same text um gracious they
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they they literally have anti-semitism woven into them for the same underlying reason from the text
00:27:45.440
they both descend from which again is just so fascinating it is it is genuinely fascinating
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anyway so to dig into some of these other ones because i was like wait wait wait i want to dig
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into some of these other belief systems that he was plagiarizing i want to hear about occult systems
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kicking around in the 1920s right so we've got the royal fraternity of master metaphysicians founded in
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early 1930s by james bernard chauffeur a self-proclaimed metaphysician this was a shirt-lived cult
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that sold teachings via mail and in-person seminars it gained notoriety in 1939 for adopting a baby
00:28:26.080
gene gaunt aka baby gene and attempting to raise her as immortal though through mind over matter
00:28:32.720
techniques no doctors no negativity just positive thinking to conquer death no i should mention her
00:28:39.920
in the interview i'm doing with steven molyneux because that sounds like his parenting style
00:28:43.200
i'm gonna ask an ai what happened to her i hope she's okay she was returning to her birth parents
00:28:50.000
about a year after about a year was the cult and she grew up to live a private normal life okay
00:28:57.600
the cult formerly known as the royal brotherhood of mother physicians intended to raise her as an
00:29:01.120
immortal being freed from death and disease at their peace haven former vanderbilt estate on long
00:29:06.400
island the experiment ended in 1940 when her mother requested her back it was later reported shortly
00:29:12.240
after returning to home gene happily ate prunes a food for britain on the cult's strict eternity diet
00:29:19.360
the cult itself collapsed soon after schaefer faced lawsuits and charges of grand larceny he was
00:29:25.200
convicted and served five years in sing sing prison following the lawsuits and legal issues the rfm declared
00:29:30.400
bankruptcy and the peace haven property was foreclosed and auctioned off in 1941 after his release
00:29:36.080
chauffeur opened an education center but never regained his former successor wells
00:29:40.160
in 1955 john bernard chauffeur and his wife committed unaliving bicarbon monoxide poisoning leaving a note
00:29:46.800
was instructions for their daughter to continue his work as for gene grunter she she went on to live a
00:29:52.880
life away from the public eye in 2002 reports indicated she was alive and well hey maybe that that long
00:29:59.760
living stuff worked despite the prunes very dare she forbidden so they were a mishmash a theological goulash
00:30:10.640
of russianism secret ancient wisdoms christian science healing through faith and new thought
00:30:17.440
mind creates reality the core idea of them where the human mind could overcome all physical limits
00:30:22.400
including aging and death they taught that negative thoughts cause illness and that positive metaphysics
00:30:27.600
could achieve eternal use ah yes once again the power of wishy thinking strikes this is the group
00:30:33.680
where the concept of mother planes or great wheels in the sky came from we talked about them a little
00:30:37.360
before but i wanted to dive in a bit more because maybe in the future when things die we can just say
00:30:42.240
that they went to the great and they're also where the group of the evil scientists creating the
00:30:47.920
inferior white people like white people came from the yakubus the precursor to the kubus they came up with
00:30:52.960
that and they you know fell apart i i wonder what they think if they knew that a version of their
00:30:57.040
thing was still like really big but it was like a black supremacist organization then you have james
00:31:04.480
torchwood's mu theories a british american engineer popularized mu in the books the lost continent of mu
00:31:11.200
and sold publishers and ads as quote-unquote ancient secrets mu was a pacific lost continent of a
00:31:17.280
motherland men home to the nakal civilization 50 000 years ago an advanced and peaceful civilization
00:31:24.560
with monotheism and shared symbols eg crosses influencing egypt india and the maya destroyed
00:31:30.720
by cataclysm survival exceeded global cultures dismissed evolution for creationism via ancient
00:31:36.240
tablets he claimed to have decoded in india he he believed in like superior and inferior races this guy
00:31:42.960
he thought the arians were from you for example so this is what i'm saying like like these were actual
00:31:47.360
like white nationalist ideologies that this was based on then we have we got the the tiny mustache
00:31:53.440
man ideology this ideology the other ideology we've got william dudley hell and the silver shirts so
00:32:00.080
pell 1890s to 1965 a hollywood screenwriter turned mystic founded a fascist group called the silver shirts
00:32:09.840
which ended christian mysticism and spiritualism he claimed out of body experiences with occultism and
00:32:15.680
politics soul craft or afterlife teaching real ufos in ancient races similar to theosophy so these
00:32:23.600
wheels why is everyone so excited about wheels and a a christian militia movement against what they call
00:32:30.480
jewish bolshevism and he was extremely plow teeny mustache man okay so let's go deeper on yakub
00:32:38.240
all right would you like to know that you get a reminder on the yakub story refresh me yes all right
00:32:46.320
yakub born in mecca with an unusually large head symbolizing his intellect ah yes discovered magnetic
00:32:52.160
laws of attraction and repulsion while playing with steel exiled to the island of patamos referencing
00:32:58.320
the biblical book of revelation with 59 999 of his followers for causing unrest he conducted a 600
00:33:06.880
year eugenics experiment selectively breeding lighter skinned individuals through grafting
00:33:11.680
killing of darker babies to produce a pale blue-eyed race inherently prone to wickedness
00:33:16.400
and i kid you not this is what he said was their main thing trichonology or deception yes white
00:33:24.720
people will perform trichonology on them which they got from you know this horrible way that they were
00:33:29.120
created and um this this race was allowed to rule for 6 000 years ending in 1914 after which black
00:33:38.320
people would reclaim dominance over often via apocalyptic events like the mother plane or the ufo
00:33:44.720
destroying whites now what's another interesting thing here is that some of the whites after this
00:33:49.200
eugenics experiment tried to go back to being black and like tried to like regain their like like undo the
00:33:55.760
eugenics experiment okay but they didn't have like a good template for doing this and this is where
00:34:00.240
the nation of islam believes that monkeys and apes come from is that they're literally white people
00:34:05.520
that that tried to become black again oh he presented okay i'm not gonna say anything go ahead he
00:34:15.120
presented this in his doctrinal pamphlet lost found muslim lessons number two a q a style text to early
00:34:22.160
converts as part of a series of secret lessons far to claim divine revelation for the story positioning
00:34:27.200
himself as allah incarnate and the myth as supreme wisdom to awaken black americans to their divine
00:34:33.760
origins in white oppression elijah muhammad farid's successor who led the noi or nation of islam for
00:34:40.400
about 1935 until his death in 1975 expounded and popularized it in books like the message to
00:34:46.800
the black man in america 1965 where entire chapters detail yakub's process as a theodossi
00:34:54.480
or explanation for evil justifying racial inequality as a temporary divine plan a later nation of islam
00:35:01.680
leaders like illawize frockman have defended it as a literal truth so this isn't something that they
00:35:07.040
like kind of believe it is like literal religious truth for them sometimes citing modern genetics or
00:35:12.960
archaeology e.g the olmec heads as evidence for ancient black scientists moorish science temple
00:35:18.880
of america mst founded by noble drew ali timothy drew in 1913 this was fard's most direct predecessor
00:35:27.600
ali's teachings reference yakubites as a figure named yakub a west african moor who allegedly founded
00:35:35.200
ancient civilizations with large-headed scientific geniuses evidenced by mesoamerican olmec heads
00:35:42.800
fard possibly with an mst member of chicago adapted this into a more militant anti-white narrative
00:35:49.520
shifting yakub from hero to villain very interesting wait what i want to know how he was the hero to
00:35:56.640
begin with okay so i apparently was supposed to sort of like represent ancient wisdom in in early stuff uh
00:36:04.480
and it was supposed to be linked to like sophisticated ancient black societies
00:36:10.960
and and what they had lost and then he later wouldn't wouldn't wouldn't wouldn't wouldn't
00:36:17.040
wouldn't the doctor of the nation of islam went sort of was a crazier explanation all right so
00:36:22.640
what makes this different and similar to mainstream islam because i was interested in that as well right
00:36:29.440
i mean i don't know what where is the where is their shared ideology i think it's the more important
00:36:34.880
question yeah so they refer to god as allah okay and they refer to their places of worship as mosques
00:36:41.200
although originally they were called temples it appears that he didn't know what muslims called their
00:36:45.040
places of worship at first and then changed it to mosques when he learned yeah they would also use
00:36:49.360
greetings like as salam alakku and members performed from a fair prayer salat though it's modified and
00:36:58.160
not always a standard five daily prayers a diet and lifestyle rules they prohibit pork alcohol and drugs
00:37:04.880
emphasis on clean living and modest dress women cover head and veils family values which align
00:37:16.720
they have a community strong focus strong emphasis on self-reliance and economic empowerment so
00:37:21.520
basically they dress kind of like muslims and use a few muslim words right i mean that's better than them
00:37:27.440
like just going like durka durka and thinking that they're doing proper prayers or something but
00:37:33.760
yeah so what was interesting is pretty much any famous person that you've heard of that was ever
00:37:39.600
in the nation of islam ended up converting to become just an actual sunni muslim and the nation
00:37:46.560
of islam is more like you join it because you like want to find yourself in like black identity it sounds
00:37:51.760
like and then you do more research and you're like oh and you're like that that was a mistake that was a
00:37:57.520
mistake yeah uh yeah the india islam where he had something for it yeah so let's talk about how
00:38:03.680
they're different from mainstream muslims theology of god and prophethood the nation of islam teaches
00:38:08.240
that their founder wallace fard muhammad was god in human form and that elijah muhammad was
00:38:12.960
his prophet or messenger this violates islam's core principle um racial mythology their doctrine
00:38:19.600
includes the story of yakub which you guys know already that is obviously not in islam their
00:38:24.880
cosmology and eschatology the idea of a mother plane like a ufo spaceship is obviously not in
00:38:32.000
islam and their practices and structures they do not adhere to anything like the five pillars of islam
00:38:37.840
so it appears they just chose it because they thought it sounded cool and nobody knew enough
00:38:42.080
about islam to really challenge them that's really the gist of it so who was in the movement that you've
00:38:48.000
heard of malcolm x joined while in prison in the 1950s he left in 1964 converting to sunni islam and
00:38:56.720
he he actually had disputes with elijah muhammad who's the guy good for him all right yeah um
00:39:02.000
hamad ali born cassius clay joined in the 1960s publicly announcing affiliation in 1964 but he converted
00:39:09.840
to sunni islam karim abjool jabbar briefly associated with the movement in the 1970s before converting to
00:39:15.840
sunni islam and then other people who have had affiliations are ice cube and snoop dog no snoop
00:39:23.200
saying so and then amiri baracki dropped it they all dropped it right yeah they've all dropped it to my
00:39:30.320
understanding jay-z apparently was connected through through the group five percent nation which they
00:39:37.120
influenced now how many members did they have because we were going to talk about that they
00:39:41.120
at peak they're around 30 000 to 100 000 members this was in the 1960s under elijah muhammad although
00:39:47.440
some sources claiming up to a quarter million members however if you're looking at recent estimates
00:39:54.240
you're getting around 50 000 members as of 2007 that's the most recent number we have access to so
00:39:59.920
fewer than the subscribers of based camp yes fewer than the subscriber count of based camp and in
00:40:06.240
the uk you have around 2000 latinos make up over 20 of the us membership and latinos all right guys go
00:40:16.080
for it i mean and they had a period of growth from the 1950s to the 1960s and then they had a surge in
00:40:23.520
the 1980s and late 1990s this was due to targeting prisons campuses and latino slash native communities
00:40:32.480
the decline factors the major split in 1975 after elijah muhammad's death his son wallace d muhammad
00:40:38.880
shifted most followers to orthodox sunni islam reducing so basically the main successor line
00:40:44.160
like it was this guy then this guy then his son and then his son was like this is stupid we should
00:40:48.400
just be sunni muslims good for him that's that's like that's very wholesome yeah it is actually yeah
00:40:55.120
wow it's been described in the shadows former self so simone did you learn something new this was
00:41:03.200
fascinating malcolm i'm really glad that you you found this nugget of fascination and i love the
00:41:11.120
weird wholesome twist at the end of like oh this was a mistake let's just let's just go and you know
00:41:17.120
it's not shia islam either it's like let's go to just mainstream most common form of islam just like
00:41:23.680
just do the right thing guys okay you're just you know being muslim like why don't fix it drop the
00:41:30.480
wheel okay break the cycle like if one of the mormon like head prophets was just like guys packing it
00:41:40.240
up we're gonna be protestants from now on made a mistake we can still i'm so i know man i love the lds
00:41:47.760
church don't you ever change guys like our our big argument to the lds church is stop trying
00:41:53.520
to get everyone to like you it's not going to happen like just be weird okay what do you think
00:41:59.840
of the nation of islam i mean they're pretty weird they've got a you know no but they're not fun
00:42:03.600
weird okay you know yeah i love the yakub story that's a that's better than xenu that's so much
00:42:09.840
better than it involves infanticide you just no no no no no you don't like it too too gushy no i love i
00:42:19.120
love lds all the way man i am i am a mormon an honorary mormon as my all my college friends would
00:42:26.640
tell me that we're mormon she used to hang out with all mormons so happy but the yakuba the yakub story
00:42:32.160
is um like when i heard that and what it got me longer thinking about this like the moment i heard
00:42:37.600
the guy's like yeah wait that makes no sense and second why did anybody ever believe this story it
00:42:44.000
sounds so on his face oh my god right it's insane i love it though i love it i love these
00:42:49.840
conversations with you i'm glad we're just gonna we're off the rails again we'll see how long we
00:42:54.880
last how long we last thanks to everyone who put the wind back in our sails we were really we were
00:43:00.640
really really though like demoralized last week and so many people came forward like actually like
00:43:07.440
subscribed to like show us very real generous support tons of and patreon tons of just comments
00:43:15.360
supporting us okay fine like we're gonna go for it like as long as we can make this work we're gonna
00:43:20.240
do it we're gonna try and so thank you to everyone malcolm i love you i'm gonna bring up pumpkin soup
00:43:24.880
before you debate the the dude about beating our children and i love you ciao i'm the best at it i'm a
00:43:31.760
very good beater he's so good it it just slapping all the children cross face anyway ciao ciao bye bye
00:43:43.280
okay malcolm's gone this means i can try to think of the most embarrassing things to tell about him
00:43:48.160
while he's off screen okay let's go my mind is blinking he's honestly so amazing you don't even
00:43:54.880
understand what life is like like with him every single day genuinely so fun he's he's like the
00:44:01.360
stereotype for the the way that perfect cousins are supposed to be because he's constantly
00:44:05.680
complimenting me like which which kind of it's it's wasted because i'm too autistic to care like
00:44:11.760
i only really care about negative comments and which i never get from him he's so kind to me
00:44:16.800
then i i compliments just make me uncomfortable because i feel like i have to pay them back but
00:44:20.960
he still constantly compliments me and it's just like wow you look really good and he means it
00:44:26.480
because he will also tell you something is really crappy when it is which comes up all the time with
00:44:34.240
the food because i often mess up and yeah he's also very generous about that being someone who only
00:44:40.240
eats one meal a day it's amazing he doesn't cry when his meals are screwed up okay but fun embarrassing
00:44:45.520
stuff about malcolm oh i mean like weird details weird details when i first started dating him and this
00:44:53.120
still happens oh no hey that looks better there you go problem solved something saved by the bell
00:45:01.600
because i was trying to think of embarrassing things to say while recording about you oh no
00:45:08.160
i just thought of a good one and no but we have to start recording so quick question
00:45:13.840
by the way i'm going to structure the debate with stephen molyneux because i'm about to have a debate with
00:45:17.440
him over yeah which is gonna be fun is i've decided to start it actually talking about polyamory
00:45:25.920
and i'm going to point out that this has never been successfully you it's never been a common
00:45:31.760
practice in any oh my god i love this and not beating children has also never never happened once
00:45:39.600
within a growing and thriving civilization during wow and you can't just be like real gender
00:45:45.680
gentle parenting has never been tried real polyamory has never been tried no like no there's been
00:45:51.200
enough time of this okay yeah i'm gonna i can be like it's it's it's it's you see it in hunter
00:45:57.120
gatherer tribes but you do not see it in successful civilizations yeah and the moment we stop doing it
00:46:03.440
well and hunter gatherer tribes and you were just describing how like one father like one woman described
00:46:09.520
how a man just like grabbed a crying yeah well you have his head against a tree until he died like
00:46:14.400
i don't you do have it you do have some hunter gatherer tribes that do no corporal punishment of
00:46:18.400
children at all but you don't see that in major civilizations and so i'm going to point out that i'm
00:46:24.800
going to try to frame the whole debate of framing it as like that kind of a luxury belief
00:46:28.720
um i like it you'll like it yeah it's gonna be good it's gonna be good all right
00:46:48.640
torsten do not do that do not do that get out of there you will get wet