Based Camp - You Have Been Lied to About Stonewall (The Police Were Heroes)

00:00:00.000 hello simone i'm excited to be here with you today genuinely excited because digging into

00:00:04.440 this subject has completely changed my understanding of the pivotal moment of the stonewall riots

00:00:12.540 uh which is seen as a central part of the gay movement yeah founding moment it was when the

00:00:18.980 gays pushed back let me tell you what we should absolutely be celebrating yearly the heroes of

00:00:27.260 the stonewall riot the problem being the heroes were the cops and i don't mean this in a bombastic 0.94

00:00:34.860 sense i mean the cops at the stonewall riots genuinely were brave people saving lives stamping

00:00:45.320 out corruption and in a genuinely harrowing situation so for people who are unaware stonewall 0.94

00:00:53.140 was a mafia run bar okay um this mafia run bar uh ran on exploiting gay people and we will get 0.50

00:01:02.640 into this we they they would run uh campaigns where they would blackmail people one admiral 0.95

00:01:08.920 ended up committing suicide because they were blackmailing him so aggressively right because

00:01:13.380 by the way this is this all happened in 1969 and this was when that could really like ruin your

00:01:18.600 life you know now it's different that this was not then and all of the people everything you've 0.79

00:01:23.080 heard like the transgender woman of color through the first brick she wasn't even there and we have

00:01:29.320 multiple accounts like wait wait wait wait so she was just like later was like yeah it was there

00:01:34.420 and people believe yes and and her her best friend who she said handed her the brick said

00:01:39.420 that didn't happen and she wasn't there that day best friend former now i guess ouch uh so

00:01:47.680 yeah that's all fabricated as well it was almost all white men who were there but i'm gonna paint

00:01:53.840 a scene for you okay okay so this bar had been paying the police for cover protection um and

00:02:01.700 they had been they were paying off a corrupt police yes they were paying off a corrupt police

00:02:07.760 okay okay um and the police force was letting them know whenever they were going to do raids

00:02:13.880 and they would change the lights to blue to white

00:02:15.880 and everyone would change what they were doing

00:02:17.460 because this was, so the corrupt police

00:02:21.180 were being paid off by this bar.

00:02:23.540 And a internal, like another precinct of police

00:02:27.520 began to dig around.

00:02:28.680 They're like, this police look really corrupt

00:02:33.140 and we need to figure out what's going on.

00:02:35.420 We need to break down whatever's happening here.

00:02:38.360 And so they go in, they had only eight officers,

00:02:42.520 including a couple of female officers so it was six male officers and a couple female officers

00:02:48.320 they entered a packed bar of around 200 people at 1 30 a.m okay uh so they're in this bar you know

00:02:58.620 nobody expects to be like arrested or anything like that right yeah all of a sudden these people

00:03:02.960 who went in undercover to try to root out this police corruption are like you know we're the

00:03:08.300 police we're gonna start taking names we're gonna start arresting people now this bar is full of

00:03:13.020 you got to understand who went to stonewall at the time a huge number of the people were homeless

00:03:17.340 thugs gangsters keep in mind this was a mop the truly the worst of the worst i mean this bar was 1.00

00:03:24.860 run by catholics i mean the mafia um goodness sorry i'm joking there but no truly like everybody 1.00

00:03:33.360 says like genuine dirty scumbags people were not going there to find love they were going there 0.99

00:03:40.120 uh to find hookers and prostitutes right like that it doesn't look big enough to hold 200 people 0.99

00:03:45.480 i'm concerned you're just a few police right six guys um 200 people and then what happened

00:03:53.760 is obviously because the bar was used to getting warned about this beforehand and you got a bunch

00:03:58.980 of drunk gangsters in it they decide well we're gonna beat up these police officers who are trying

00:04:04.380 to arrest people so then the police call for backup but the problem is is that the precinct

00:04:11.180 that controlled that area that they were calling for backup was the one that they were busting for

00:04:17.040 corruption and so they didn't send the backup and so they ended up can you imagine how you are and

00:04:24.440 so the situation is getting worse and worse they ended up getting everyone out of the bar and ended

00:04:30.140 up like a zombie movie hoarding up the walls of the bar and stuff like that oh my what wait the

00:04:37.060 police hiding inside the bar were what yeah they were hiding inside the bar from how did they get

00:04:43.440 did they like tear gas inside the bar to get everyone they didn't have that technology

00:04:47.160 oh my god they didn't they didn't have the preparation for what was about to happen so

00:04:52.260 anyway as a resistance started outside and the crowd grew the officers ended up retreating inside

00:04:56.480 the bar and barricading themselves the crowd outside threw bottles garbage coins and other

00:05:00.440 objects somebody used coins oh no somebody used a coin meter as a battering ram to knock down the

00:05:07.760 door well that's where the coins came from and there was attempt to set the building on fire

00:05:13.260 while the police were barricaded inside and it was set alight at a part at a point the pine the

00:05:20.020 officer said it was more frightening than anything he had experienced in combat as a war war ii vet 0.88

00:05:27.360 wow when the gays and the mobsters are mad at you and you've got to understand the restraint 0.95

00:05:32.620 that the police are showing in this instance these people are trying to beat them to death 0.98

00:05:38.780 no they were severely injured uh these people were did they shoot did they no so the officer

00:05:44.920 apparently there was like an internal discussion and they're like we really need to shoot our way

00:05:49.000 out of this like we're gonna die here and the opposite is like if we start shooting this is 0.95

00:05:53.080 going to turn into a massacre we have to hold out um so even from the perspective of the gay 0.95

00:05:58.840 communities they're trying to shut down a bar that's victimizing the gay community the gay 0.99

00:06:04.300 bunch of hoodlums who are looking for their prostitute that day are trying to break down 0.99

00:06:09.460 the wall uh of of this particular building right and they put their own lives on the line 0.98

00:06:17.600 to protect the people trying to kill them to not do what any sane officer what i would have done

00:06:24.640 in that instance which is shoot my way out which i mean holy like really heroic stuff that we're

00:06:33.040 seeing here they literally lit the building on fire with them barricaded inside it and we know

00:06:40.120 for a fact that the one of the trans claimed trans people didn't even come until the fire

00:06:44.160 was already burning and there was only two potential trans people that could have been

00:06:47.820 a part of this and neither was there at the beginning only two well yeah it was really hard

00:06:52.100 to be trans back then to be fair where trans didn't even exist weren't they just called

00:06:56.860 cross-dressers no there was cross-dressers and drag people but they are always been adjacent

00:07:02.440 to gay culture and distinctly untransed wait so they weren't so these people were oh did they call

00:07:07.620 them did they call them transvestites is that it it's a different thing we'll get to it later 0.82

00:07:11.860 because we're going to talk about these two individuals because they were also terrible

00:07:15.520 people but we're going to get into this more so the injuries oh my gosh uh the police reports

00:07:20.900 one had a laceration on their eye another had a broken risk and there were bruises and other

00:07:28.280 injuries but a broken risk trying to protect themselves at this place um now this is all

00:07:34.040 based on a book that gay city news called the definitive historical account of the stonewall

00:07:41.600 event that's david carter's stonewall the riots that sparked the gay revolution so the gay like

00:07:47.440 when we're looking at stuff here this is coming from the gay community okay they did not see

00:07:52.860 one of the trans people who we're going to talk about who claims that they started this 0.75

00:07:56.140 they weren't even allowed to march at pride rallies they were considered such a bad actor

00:08:00.580 oh my god well but look at that that was a time when the community policed itself and when they

00:08:06.440 they expelled bad actors that's meaningful we always talk about this and a really core part

00:08:12.640 of being a successful community especially if you're a breakaway and weird or different in

00:08:16.480 some way is you have to police your own bad actors and the one of the worst things that

00:08:20.860 happened to lgbtqia plus whatever is they stopped policing their bad actors well okay yeah well and

00:08:27.440 i and and i want to be clear and the this is and i mean very seriously i i think that we should

00:08:34.260 celebrate Stonewall every year with the kids as a celebration. And I think you should too. And I

00:08:39.340 think that the conservative movement should make this more of a thing as a celebration of how the

00:08:45.080 left twists and rewrites history, erasing the actual heroes in an attempt to serve their agenda.

00:08:53.540 I think Stonewall can be a celebration of leftist gaslighting as well as police, because I'm

00:09:01.400 unaware of any major holiday where we celebrate police and we should have one so let's do it

00:09:06.100 let's make stonewall a police holiday you can put up posters in new york the real heroes of stonewall 0.96

00:09:11.780 are boys in blue um a police celebration because taking down these darn mafia families you know 0.98

00:09:23.740 they were hunting dirty cops now they're fighting for their lives 0.99

00:09:34.980 angry drunk hooligans with bottles for knives they barricaded the building 0.99

00:09:40.280 and huddled in the dark aid officers against 200 aiming to kill their mark

00:09:45.720 they tore a parking meter up and rammed it into the door they've squirted

00:09:50.260 Lighter flew it in and set fire to the floor.

00:09:53.900 Real, real great work on their part.

00:09:55.900 And not succumbing to the fear and shooting their way out of this very deadly situation they were in.

00:10:02.800 Which they got in attempting to break up police corruption.

00:10:06.740 It wasn't even really about a gay bar.

00:10:09.460 Anyway.

00:10:10.760 So.

00:10:11.220 No. 1.00

00:10:11.460 They'll call anti-gay bar laws. 0.98

00:10:14.100 Bigotry and spite. 0.67

00:10:15.500 But the rules had purpose and held back a blight. 1.00

00:10:18.760 nations learned it over generations never knowing why if you allow indiscriminate gay sex young men 0.92

00:10:25.360 start to die so with stonewall one gay bars filled by the score a decade on the funerals came hundreds 0.85

00:10:32.260 of thousands or more the aids epidemic was stonewall's prize activists spread aids that's 0.86

00:10:39.640 the reason for the lies fat so the stonewall inn was controlled by the genovese crime family this 0.84

00:10:46.780 as one of the big, I think, five crime

00:10:48.780 families. Tony Lorena, or Fat

00:10:50.700 Tony, bought and converted it into

00:10:52.840 a gay bar around 1966 to

00:10:54.620 1967, with higher level involvement

00:10:56.880 from Maddie the Howe, horse. 0.57

00:10:59.040 Most gay bars in New York at the time 0.77

00:11:00.740 were mafia-run, because state

00:11:02.740 liquor laws effectively barred

00:11:05.020 legal establishments from serving

00:11:06.520 gay men, creating a captive market. 0.96

00:11:09.540 Fat Tony, Laura... 1.00

00:11:10.940 No, no, they didn't have to be. 0.99

00:11:12.840 Other gay people could set stuff like 0.97

00:11:14.760 this up. This is just... 1.00

00:11:16.780 the extreme degen side of the gay community and hold on law against serving alcohol to gay men 0.98

00:11:24.660 yeah how do you know if they're gay presumably if they are actively hitting on other men in the bar

00:11:34.300 i think it was more of just a law against exclusively gay bars i think that's the only

00:11:39.480 time it would really apply okay and so you just and there were other ways that gay men could date

00:11:44.380 It wasn't like this was the only way that gay men could meet up.

00:11:46.960 A great example of this is the Corday Club.

00:11:52.640 This started in 1966 and opened at West 38th Street and lasted from 1967 to 1971.

00:12:03.700 It just didn't serve alcohol and it was perfectly legal.

00:12:07.380 This is something that lots of people did. 0.98

00:12:09.400 this was about serving alcohol to gays in an environment where they were looking for sex 0.83

00:12:14.640 which given that it was this environment that was created in bars like this that led to the

00:12:21.320 rise of the hiv pandemic i don't think that that was a bad or unreasonable law to have on the books

00:12:27.480 allowing just drunk constant gay orgies was and this happened frequently during this period like 0.70

00:12:35.680 We are well aware of one of my favorite things about the gay community, which is why for a period, I actually think gay culture was pretty cool, was that the gay culture that you grew up with, if you grew up in the 80s, was a culture that was created, or the 80s and the early 90s, by all of the gay nerds. 0.94

00:12:55.600 And people can be like, wait, why was it created by all of the antisocial gay nerds?

00:12:59.020 Why were the gays all the theater kids and stuff like that, right? 0.96

00:13:02.320 and the answer is is because there were cool biker gang gays there were cool if you go to 0.99

00:13:07.880 the earlier days um but they all had orgies all the time got aids and died the the gays that 0.88

00:13:15.120 survived were the dnd gays were the were the the theater kids were the uh otherwise nerdy 0.75

00:13:23.020 gays okay didn't go out to mars and that ended up heavily affecting gay culture yeah um and uh 0.88

00:13:30.380 I had an older gay like explain to me he's like I'm so weird like everyone who was popular died 0.81

00:13:34.920 um and everyone who was like a weirdo or an outsider they were the ones who who made it 0.96

00:13:40.520 through um but the point here being is this law likely saved in terms of the gays that it did keep 0.84

00:13:50.160 from going out and partying like this thousands hundreds of thousands of gay lives from the the

00:13:55.920 hiv pandemic by delaying when they were exposed to it or how much they were exposed to it and

00:14:00.540 its degree of spread again we have to remember this this isn't just being mean to gay people

00:14:06.800 okay there are like actual reasons that matter to gay people in the gay community why you would

00:14:12.300 want a law like this on the books yeah um and if you're like well that's not why they put it on

00:14:16.640 the books they put it on the books because of homophobia and it's like well you gotta ask

00:14:20.580 yourself homophobia doesn't just develop out of nowhere like almost every culture on earth or the

00:14:27.500 vast majority there are some that don't have prohibitions against same-sex male relationships

00:14:31.220 but the vast majority of successful ones whether you're talking about chinese or japanese or

00:14:35.520 korean or you know i'm going like all over the world here people of most african cultures um

00:14:41.900 south american uh most of them uh they they had prohibitions against male male sex of the of the

00:14:48.520 large expansion a successful one and you can ask well why does almost everyone have these

00:14:53.820 prohibitions and it's because it leads to diseases there's like a very obvious reason

00:14:58.860 we saw the reason when the hiv pandemic happened um and so while people may not have understood

00:15:06.140 their cultural disgust or and may have acted on it in ways that were inappropriate it's not that

00:15:14.300 it was coming out of nowhere it had a reason behind it right and and the reason why they felt

00:15:19.480 that quote-unquote homophobia during that period was because their culture had learned we don't do

00:15:25.040 this but not necessarily understood how or why it learned and note that can happen through cultural

00:15:29.780 evolution e.g one culture can practice this and one culture cannot and the culture that doesn't

00:15:35.420 ends up dying at a faster rate or ends up having elite people in the society die at a faster rate

00:15:39.540 and then the culture that did practice it ends up conquering them like that's how cultural

00:15:44.360 evolution works so you can develop cultural insights without anyone ever understanding

00:15:48.740 why that insight existed in the first place to continue here some i'm going through like what

00:15:55.380 it was like to be in that because i found it pretty interesting so it was it was uh the

00:16:00.000 interior was painted black all of the windows were shut the the the fat guy i hate bars like 0.59

00:16:06.220 that they are so depressing over 400 pounds he controlled the jukebox the cigarette that's fat 0.62

00:16:12.760 tony so he really was fat tony yeah and the day-to-day operations and he handled monthly 0.83

00:16:17.680 bribes to the sixth precinct um contemporary uh and uh he also was actually a gay man now that 0.97

00:16:24.960 didn't mean that he didn't also exploit the gay community but you know catholics facilitating gay 0.69

00:16:29.480 bars and the spread of hiv is something we have to remember sorry the mafia the mafia i need to 0.67

00:16:35.040 remember here um looking the other way presumably these mafia families were all so devout it doesn't

00:16:43.160 seem to affect their behavior though but anyway we'll go into some of what else this genovese

00:16:47.700 family that these people were facilitating was doing but entry to the club facade so the cover

00:16:51.720 was typically one dollar on a weekday and three dollars on weekend you signed a membership book

00:16:56.260 almost always under a fake name like donald duck judy garland elizabeth taylor why bother signing

00:17:01.580 the book then there is a reason it's a legal reason it's so that you could pretend to be

00:17:08.380 a private bottle club and avoid liquor license rules it's basically we're not selling people

00:17:13.880 alcohol they come in and it's just a place where we drink with friends right a dormant bouncer

00:17:20.960 looked through a peephole and screened people you newcomers often needed somebody to vouch for them

00:17:26.220 because it operated as a private club cash wasn't supposed to change hands for alcohol again remember

00:17:31.560 like that's how they got around the alcohol laws yeah so patrons received two drink cards or tickets

00:17:37.020 upon entry different colors were used on different nights so people couldn't stockpile them staff

00:17:42.240 pressured you to buy more uh drinks cost about one dollar each expensive for the time and were

00:17:47.380 heavily watered down often made from bootleg or stolen liquor great no this is actually what led

00:17:54.920 the police to this establishment it had nothing to do with it being a gay establishment yeah 0.68

00:17:59.180 pretty blatant they were tracking stolen liquor that was the the instigating fact here that was 0.88

00:18:05.260 being bribed to the so again no it wasn't a gay thing it was a stolen liquor thing and the gays 0.85

00:18:12.120 were facilitating it there was no running water behind the bar glasses were rinsed in a rubber 0.97

00:18:17.940 tub of increasingly filthy water and reuse that's disgusting this practice was linked to a hepatitis

00:18:23.740 outbreak among the patrons oh the men's toilet you're going to this bar and you're getting

00:18:29.920 hepatitis hold on we're not done yet oh the men's toilets were usually clogged and overflowing on

00:18:38.880 the floor staff sometimes dumped the dirty glass rinsing water into the toilets making the plumbing

00:18:44.400 worse and there was a long trial urinal that had no privacy and an attendant the place lacked a

00:18:52.440 proper exit a fire hazard and basic hygiene mafia connected doormen bartenders and employees they 1.00

00:18:59.100 were aggressive about shaking down people for money and enforcing rules pushing drinks and

00:19:04.100 extracting personal information wealthier and more distreet patients were targeted for blackmail and

00:19:08.840 extortion the the walls were painted black poorly lit was a bad sound system and broken fixtures

00:19:14.860 it smelled and felt dirty it was called a dump or a hellhole despite that it was popular because it 0.98

00:19:21.800 was one of the few places where you could go to pick up essentially gay prostitutes um which again 0.98

00:19:27.960 surviving gays are known for being really good at hosting um like just great host i was gonna 0.95

00:19:34.000 say hostesses but host yeah maybe that's all the ones who just went like they throw good parties

00:19:38.120 you know great tablescapes like yeah the people who learned how to like do this at home and maybe

00:19:43.580 not go to the bar where the cops are rinsed and i and i want to be very clear here this bar that 0.89

00:19:52.800 the cops were trying to go to was facilitating a behavioral pattern in the part of the gay

00:19:57.440 community that went to it that killed probably a good number maybe even the majority of the people 0.94

00:20:02.520 who participated in these oh i don't care if who's going there it's it's a it's a health hazard if

00:20:08.180 there's a bar that's spreading hepatitis b by not washing them this bar didn't care about them it

00:20:14.180 was using them they could have set up their own things they could have set up non-exploitative

00:20:17.620 things but they didn't get their act together at the community to do that and even when they did

00:20:22.140 try to get their act together at the community we'll see now they cannot help but scam and exploit

00:20:27.160 each other yeah that's pretty messed up well i mean to be fair there was probably some totally 1.00

00:20:31.760 reasonable part of the gay community that was like that's gross i'm not going there but of course 0.92

00:20:36.700 were not hearing them this is like a no of course the good part of the gay community the part of the 0.94

00:20:41.420 gay community that was living better you don't see them because they were living closeted gay 0.92

00:20:44.820 lives in the 1960s were they just weren't going to clubs that were about having sex with strangers

00:20:50.820 yeah yes okay so like it's important that like we are clear about what this club was for this was

00:20:57.300 not where you went to meet the love of your life and your husband and your whatever it's where you 0.51

00:21:02.520 went to hook up with strangers okay yeah all right um so the bribes that they paid to the

00:21:09.500 police were around a thousand two hundred a month which was a lot of money back then

00:21:13.260 the bar was unlicensed um and it was described as a dump or a hellhole employees often associated

00:21:20.140 with engaged in blackmail extortion or closet of wealthy patrons the matashay society 1969 guide

00:21:27.220 this was like a guide for like gay guys warned it specifically was like if you go to stone hall 0.56

00:21:32.660 well whatever you do don't give any personal information to the staff they will try to 0.94

00:21:38.220 shake you down for it also don't go to the bathroom don't touch any of the walls and don't

00:21:42.860 drink anything for the yes and we could go over this in more detail in another episode because

00:21:49.200 this one's already gonna run long but there was a book written called chickens and the bulls

00:21:54.240 which explained this anti-gay ring that was run out of Stonewall

00:22:00.920 that targeted military officers, congressmen, business figures, and entertainers

00:22:06.260 extracting extremely large sums.

00:22:09.620 Admiral William Church was one of the documented suicides tied to this.

00:22:17.300 The guy running this was Ed the Skull Murphy,

00:22:20.980 a a figure that after the the suicide and all this later went out and started doing this again 0.91

00:22:27.600 working with other gays in other gay bars again it's it's a lot of gays and we see this in in

00:22:35.180 abuse rates in lesbian relationships we see this with abuse rates in gay relationships

00:22:38.720 this is really something that is a a problem and it for me it would make me really hesitant 0.89

00:22:45.320 to affiliate with these sorts of communities

00:22:48.040 when I saw the rate of exploitation

00:22:50.480 that is endogenous to the communities,

00:22:53.620 to their very inception.

00:22:54.680 And it just blows my mind that, yeah,

00:22:57.180 so if you had asked me before telling me any of this,

00:23:00.580 like, what happened with Stonewall?

00:23:02.040 I'd be like, well, there was some, you know, 0.85

00:23:04.280 ruthless attack on some innocent gay bar 0.68

00:23:07.180 and they resisted it. 0.96

00:23:10.160 Meanwhile, these six men, two women,

00:23:12.620 held up doing everything they can

00:23:14.600 to not shoot people broken wrists they're trying to ram down the door was a money thing absolutely 0.78

00:23:22.880 horrifying so david carter's research which again is seen but from gay sources of being the

00:23:29.380 definitive research in this field had a hundred of interviews with witnesses contemporaneous

00:23:34.700 accounts concluded that most of the people at the vanguard on the first night were white men

00:23:38.840 drag queens were present but they did not play any major role in the events of the first night

00:23:46.880 well they probably didn't want to get their hair and makeup or clothing messed up good like well 0.96

00:23:51.320 there's another reason why they weren't involved um another reason they weren't involved is most 1.00

00:23:57.580 of the drag queens were prostitutes um and the uh the they didn't like in terms of run-ins with the 1.00

00:24:05.280 police, they were the last ones who wanted to put themselves at the front of a run-in with the 1.00

00:24:09.520 police. Also, most of the drag queens were taking on the feminine roles. The idea of this ultra 1.00

00:24:14.780 masculine person who pretends to be trans that we see today, like your Alex Vade Menon, I want to 0.99

00:24:20.440 molest little girls stuff. Again, see his quote, I'll put it on screen here. These types of people 1.00

00:24:26.300 did not exist during this period of the gay movement. Drag queens were actually attempting 1.00

00:24:32.420 to take on a feminine role and if you're taking on a feminine role you don't run at the police 1.00

00:24:38.200 with a knife or a brick or something like that okay um that's a that's a later type of trans

00:24:44.240 that didn't exist yet the i'm not even gonna try to conform okay um but anyway take into your also 0.94

00:24:51.500 you know you you're a prostitute so you don't want to be running at the police because they know who

00:24:56.300 you are wait but but no just because you're a drag queen doesn't mean you're no me most of the 0.99

00:25:01.600 drag queens of this period were prostitutes that's why you would do it you would do it so that you 1.00

00:25:06.400 would look like a woman because uh you know guys pay more to sleep with somebody who looks like a 0.99

00:25:10.940 woman not if you're gay no even gay men of this period really preferred the active role in a 0.99

00:25:17.680 sexual relationship like that was seen as the higher status role right you don't need look we

00:25:22.340 all have i understand but somebody going out and actively presenting as like ultra femme was also

00:25:28.960 sort of like uh you know i'm i'm in the business sort of a thing it wasn't everyone but it's

00:25:34.560 okay okay so i will read to you what the eye has to say about this in the mid-20th century new york

00:25:42.040 and similar cities there was a long-standing overlap between certain forms of feminine

00:25:45.500 presentation by people assigned male at birth and sex work this was not universal in the context

00:25:50.340 differed sharply street queens and fairies from the late 19th century onwards documented in place

00:25:55.600 like the slide and black rabbit a subculture of young men who presented femininely fairies

00:26:01.240 solicited other men some of this was commercial george chauncey's gay new york and later histories 1.00

00:26:07.340 of hustling cultures described this continuum by the 1950s to 1960s street queens often young 1.00

00:26:13.760 sometimes runaways or homeless who were makeup dresses or partial film attire on the street or 0.98

00:26:19.240 in certain bars were frequently involved in hustling esther newton's ethnographic work

00:26:24.580 mother camp based on 1960s feels work and noted young gender crossers outside formal performance

00:26:30.680 spaces often supported themselves through prostitution because open gender non-conformity

00:26:35.500 no that wasn't the only reason but yes this is it was a thing this isn't me making something up i

00:26:41.160 don't know how i know this part of history because i didn't live through it maybe i thought in movies

00:26:45.560 how do i know this that's weird anyway i mean obviously i wasn't a gay person in the 1960s

00:26:53.020 so hmm suppose so the trans women of color claim refers to marcia p johnson a black drag queen

00:27:03.160 who used he she pronouns interchangeably throughout her life and did not ever identify

00:27:10.180 was the term transgender and sylvia rivera but you said he she program like so which is it

00:27:16.500 she used either one when she was a drag queen so she was a drag queen so in drag

00:27:23.920 and when not in drag he was he yes because he didn't identify as a woman okay sorry this is

00:27:31.140 just so okay it was a guy who identified as a guy who put on character identified as a girl

00:27:38.540 that makes perfect sense yes i know i understand guy who in his own words is a guy i am not

00:27:43.820 misgendering him okay um he said quote the place was already on fire the riots had already started

00:27:51.420 when he got there now note how late this had to be in the riot this meant the police had already

00:27:57.960 extricated everyone from the building they had already barricaded the building people had already

00:28:03.400 tried to break in and were now post lighting the building on fire in a big way a big enough way

00:28:10.140 that he said yeah the building was on fire to kill the police officers that's that's where we 0.96

00:28:16.620 are and note to arrive at a scene where that's happening and you participate you are a bad guy 0.99

00:28:24.640 you are a not you are trying to kill people okay you are an evil bad person okay everybody who got 0.69

00:28:32.900 i mean maybe you could say somebody went there that night and they just happened to got caught 0.99

00:28:37.540 up in a raid fine then leave the scene don't try to murder the cops oh my gosh you the bar gets 0.61

00:28:48.940 closed down other gay hot spots are gonna open you don't need to murder the cops for ruining your 0.99

00:28:55.180 night you psychopath anyway wow so uh rivera claimed a leading role so this is the person 0.98

00:29:07.200 who actively just claims a leading role but carter said that multiple people were close to the events 0.94

00:29:12.860 including bob crawler and randy wicker found no credible evidence that she was there on the first

00:29:18.180 night at all johnston reportedly corrected her on this point rivera's presence appears to have been

00:29:25.200 a fabrication completely and this person was a heroin crack addict bad person who exploited the 0.66

00:29:33.200 gay community and was one of the people who was banned from gay pride events so uh very bad person

00:29:38.840 but they're being held up today as some sort of gay icon which is or trans icon because trans

00:29:44.160 people are trying to colonize gay history that they didn't play a role in um and this by the

00:29:50.180 way is the only person reveria who you could win any legitimate context claim was trans all right

00:29:55.260 okay and no she wasn't of color in any conventional sense i'll put an image on on the screen here 1.00

00:30:02.700 but she looked white um we can look her up right now like a tanned white perhaps

00:30:09.660 less white than we look maybe it goes outside sometimes white maybe uh no just like white

00:30:20.620 maybe like a jewy like a jewy white the jewy white great that's that's all i can think i will decide

00:30:29.780 okay okay uh tanned a tanned a nice tan what are you talking about and no hold on but this is like

00:30:38.680 a tan this isn't an ethnic coloring thing this is a tan i mean like if we're talking you know

00:30:45.640 this is a um this is a spanish kind of rivera this is not this is a this is what she looks like here

00:30:52.020 right next to a black guy she's not a black guy yeah she looks european she looks i guess if we're

00:30:58.020 talking rivera it's a spanish european it is now oh but i love the pictures of her she's full-on

00:31:02.580 brown so in the fan art she brown in the in the non-fan art she white that's very interesting

00:31:10.040 um very interesting okay very interesting by the way if you're wondering what her ethnicity is it's

00:31:18.840 no surprise that she looks white she's european she's a venezuelan which is generally white

00:31:27.120 puerto rican venezuelan i mean i know some people describe his hispanics as non-white but they're i

00:31:33.960 mean they're just catholics they're i don't understand live america was colonized by white

00:31:40.760 like people are aware of that right well okay okay so again that not no trans women of color

00:31:48.740 were to be seen okay um at stonewall uh it was it was and i'd also point out here why there were no

00:31:55.660 black like people of color at stonewall rides okay do you know why i'm gonna see if you can

00:32:02.420 guess why just like if you are at all familiar with gay history from this period you would know 0.99

00:32:07.340 this did what did gay people not like trans people they hated black people gay people were 0.79

00:32:13.320 famously racist no what yes it was always seen as a very racist community in its early days 0.98

00:32:20.700 but there are gay black people and they can go to gay black bars is what they would have said 0.98

00:32:27.260 awfully specific were there any gay black bars no don't answer that question we'll just keep 0.96

00:32:32.200 i am sure there were because of the amount of racism in the gay community um maybe the gay

00:32:38.980 black people of the 1960s had the good sense to not go to gay bars at all so i can only guess

00:32:46.340 said i must be a reincarnated gay person from the 1960s note i'm joking here i don't believe

00:32:51.060 in reincarnation just surprised i have no idea where i learned all this from but i decided to

00:32:57.420 double check my intuitions about famously racist gay bars in the 1960s with wikipedia sorry not

00:33:03.780 wikipedia ai we're not tired here and it said yes the claim is historically accurate for a large

00:33:10.180 share of the mainstream gay bars in the 1950s to 1960s and into later decades many bars that

00:33:16.360 primarily served white gay men practice racial discrimination especially against black patrons

00:33:21.500 this was common across u.s cities and not unique to new york and it mirrored a broader racial 0.77

00:33:26.600 pattern even in the north in new york specifically in greenwich village and other white dominated gay

00:33:32.700 bar areas many establishments were unwelcoming or openly exclusionary to black and puerto rican or

00:33:38.200 latino patrons recollections from the period note that black and latino friends were not always

00:33:43.460 treated well at other gay bars stonewall itself was seen as more lax but still racist uh now if

00:33:55.040 you go down to simone's questions about black gay bars yes in most major cities there was

00:34:01.640 significant black populations there were black gay bars or uh bars that primarily or exclusively

00:34:07.380 served black queer clientele until the mid 20th century examples in new york harlem had a long

00:34:14.320 tradition of a queer nightlife drag balls clubs and mount morris bass which for years was one of

00:34:21.940 the only bass houses admitting black men so yes like if you're going to a bar with a bunch of 0.63

00:34:29.960 white underworld members in new york and you're black during a period of intense racism 0.87

00:34:36.240 you're probably not going to go like they're all going to be drunk they don't care about what the 0.87

00:34:40.800 law says yeah they're all sort of like borderline homeless fair point out of the prison system 0.97

00:34:46.600 yeah maybe not yeah you're a black gay guy you know better than to go there there was likely 0.96

00:34:52.340 almost no black people there that night okay just want to be clear about this 0.97

00:34:57.240 the revisionism of this stuff okay so now i'm quoting from another gay newspaper or magazine

00:35:05.920 going into the life of this Rivera figure

00:35:08.160 that everybody talks about who threw the first brick.

00:35:11.300 Since his death in 2002, drag queen Silvio Rivera,

00:35:14.300 now note, even a gay publication is referring to him as a male

00:35:16.520 because he was not thought of as transgender,

00:35:19.360 but has surely been turned into a transgender icon.

00:35:22.040 He is now clearly celebrated by trans activists

00:35:24.480 in the wider media as a seminal figure

00:35:26.220 in the LGBT rights movement.

00:35:27.260 He has hailed for pioneering activism

00:35:29.180 and fated for the support and shelter

00:35:31.000 he often offered other marginalized people

00:35:33.480 around downtown new york in the early 1970s noting rivera's willingness to defy the law

00:35:38.700 have gone so far to anoint rivera as the rosa parks of the modern transgender movement

00:35:43.000 his legend continues to grow some have even claimed that rivera was effectively

00:35:46.940 initiated stonewall in 1969 they say he handed his friend a fellow drag queen marcia p johnson

00:35:54.440 the first brick to be thrown at police during the raid at stonewall in 1969 sparking a fight

00:36:00.580 and kick-starting the mootsman. 0.99

00:36:02.060 Johnson, on the other hand,

00:36:03.340 has always told a separate story

00:36:05.280 and never cooperating this,

00:36:07.280 insisting that Rivera was not at the Stonewall Inn

00:36:10.420 on the fateful night in 1969.

00:36:13.100 He was asleep after taking heroin

00:36:15.620 30 blocks north of Stonewall in Bryant Park.

00:36:18.660 Well, it'll make you sleepy, for sure.

00:36:20.800 He was a heroined-out homeless guy

00:36:25.340 sleeping in Bryant Park that night.

00:36:28.800 Ah, great.

00:36:30.580 This is your figure of great renown.

00:36:34.400 But then the truth about Rivera

00:36:36.520 has always been darker and more complicated

00:36:38.280 than his contemporary haggographers

00:36:40.380 are willing to admit.

00:36:43.080 What we have witnessed over the past two decades

00:36:44.860 is a whitewashing of the real Rivera,

00:36:46.880 a dishonest attempt to present him as,

00:36:49.580 and trans activism as central

00:36:51.040 to the gay liberation struggle of the 1960s and 70s.

00:36:54.280 According to the village voice piece

00:36:56.200 on Umbers from 1971,

00:36:57.960 all of his greenwich village businesses were exploitative mike calls himself this is a quote 0.88

00:37:04.360 from somebody who dealt with him mike calls him a gay catalyst and flesh peddler he deals in a boy 0.96

00:37:11.660 boy sex christopher's end with his backstory and nude boy shows it's climax fresh in 1970 0.81

00:37:18.940 rivera and johnson needed somewhere to stay and took advantage of their connection with the umbers 0.90

00:37:24.220 and this is a gang related group he gave them discounted rent on one of his squalid four rooms

00:37:29.380 apartments having just formed their group the street transvestite action reactionaries or star

00:37:35.780 they turned umber's property into something they called the star house today the star house decided

00:37:41.860 is one of the reasons to celebrate rivera it's recalled as a beacon of radical progressiveness

00:37:47.000 a home for trans people as one of the journalists puts it it is lionized as a pioneering and

00:37:52.740 charitable endeavor feeding housing and closing the young homeless trans people but the reality

00:37:58.380 was somewhat different it had no toilet water heat or electricity liquor and drugs were plentiful

00:38:04.840 the four rooms were strewn with trash and occupied by as many as 20 people at the time

00:38:09.100 food and other supplies were generally stolen or shoplifted by the residents what little cash was 0.82

00:38:14.860 had came from sex work in the 42 street area and elsewhere again i told you most of them were sex

00:38:20.420 workers or begging conveniently the building was a next door to one of the umber's porn

00:38:26.080 distribution operations which it used the people who were staying there for um horrifying right

00:38:32.740 um note again no running water no electricity no food but stolen stuff and violence was pretty

00:38:40.960 regular in a place like this in some days the seedy reality of star house captured the nature 0.69

00:38:46.000 of star as a group despite its right on reputation today stars self-styled revolutionary transvestites 0.78

00:38:52.320 were not trusted by most of us in the emerging gay liberation movement its focus on whoring and

00:38:58.320 radical politics as gay a lot activist alliance founder arthur bell described it in 1971 i was

00:39:04.580 largely viewed with horror befitting their mafia connections there was a dangerous potentially

00:39:10.480 violent side to their activities that they were aware of and so many of us avoided them indeed

00:39:15.760 during the 1970s set-in occupation of NYU's Weinstein Hall by various gay rights activists, 0.85

00:39:23.220 Rivera argued that radicals needed to take up guns to achieve her liberation. Given the chaotic

00:39:30.100 criminal nature of the Star House, it was hardly a surprise that it was a short-lived endeavor. 0.98

00:39:34.340 Among the other drag queen and sex workers plying their trade from the Umbers property, 0.99

00:39:39.460 one was called Bubbles. Bubbles was tasked with collecting rent from young occupants, 0.99

00:39:43.240 but by the winter of early 1971 bubbles had pocketed the rent money and left town

00:39:48.540 rivera and johnson were unable to catch up on the rent areas tried to renegotiate their

00:39:53.740 arrangements with the umbers he was not in a forgiving mood by june 1971 umbers had already

00:39:58.620 thrown out the lot saying to one reporter after the eviction i'll be effed if i house that bunch

00:40:06.000 rent free within two years of this happening rivera and johnson were expelled from pride

00:40:12.280 marches now why were they expelled from pride marches let's go into this again you're learning

00:40:18.060 a lot it's not the history you were taught there doesn't seem to be a flattering angle to this

00:40:23.640 not good i'll try to steel man it at the end here so you guys can get a steel manning of of

00:40:29.980 how you could possibly think this was a good thing um by the end of the post stonewall movement

00:40:36.300 was splitting groups like the gay activist alliance gaa and many pride organizers wanted

00:40:41.600 a more respectable assimilationist image

00:40:43.700 focused on gay men and lesbians

00:40:45.580 who could pass as ordinary citizens.

00:40:47.960 The types of gays that I 0.85

00:40:49.680 would support. Street queens, 0.96

00:40:51.860 drag performers, sex workers, and 0.72

00:40:53.400 mostly visible non-conforming people, especially 0.90

00:40:55.640 the poor ones of color, who these people

00:40:57.720 were not, by the way, so

00:40:58.940 I mean, they were poor, but they weren't of color.

00:41:01.800 We've looked at images of them. Nobody would clock

00:41:03.700 that as a person of color.

00:41:05.840 Were increasingly seen

00:41:07.280 as an embarrassment and hurt the

00:41:09.660 causes cases of winning mainstream political support or winning anti-discrimination laws

00:41:14.060 at the 1973 christopher street liberation put a rally in washington state park organizers tried

00:41:20.440 to stop rivera and the star contingent from speaking lesbian feminists including gene o'leary 0.99

00:41:25.080 note here lesbians versus trans people goes back to inception criticized drag men for exploiting 1.00

00:41:31.560 women rivera first her way onto stage and gave the famous you all better quiet down speech accusing

00:41:37.040 the crowd of abandoning the people in jail and the street queens who had been on the front lines 1.00

00:41:41.640 she was loudly booed and heckled drag queens including johnson were effectively barred from

00:41:47.040 marching in the official parade that year they marched ahead of it instead after the event

00:41:51.760 rivera attempted on aliving this event marked the end of star and the group began to break up wow

00:41:58.480 not a not an outcome i would want for anyone that i care about

00:42:04.440 um so i want to be clear the group that ran this the genovese mafia they would regularly kill

00:42:12.280 people uh for example i'll just read a few i won't go over all of them because it will get boring

00:42:16.620 uh genovese tom rennan in 1930 uh he was uh shot in the back of the head with a shotgun

00:42:23.020 um you had girl vertaka and and tog lorenz march 32 the genovese ordered him to be strangled

00:42:31.640 um just i'm not gonna go they killed a lot of people they're they're no they went around

00:42:38.060 killing people is really okay noted um i also could go over the case of how they discovered

00:42:45.260 the corruption at the sixth precinct um now maybe they checked the guest book well wow

00:42:52.280 uh and i'll note here that this is not one of the the funny things actually i'll go into is just a

00:42:57.780 little side one of our fans was like oh you need to go into jonathan khan's work in the return of

00:43:04.760 gods on exposing this if you watch this man and take him seriously it's his content is not smart

00:43:13.600 it is not no it's a conservative conspiracy theorist guy who tries to argue that they were 0.54

00:43:19.720 doing some sort of like dark goddess celebration oh for goodness sake for men want sex is this that 0.98

00:43:26.720 complicated gay men being involved in orgies doesn't require dark goddess worship and his 0.86

00:43:32.360 points are directly at odds with facts that are key to the case so for example he's like well it

00:43:40.380 aligned with the full moon and summer solstice and those were important in ancient calendars and

00:43:45.600 it's like it was a secret raid they had no control over when it happened what are you talking about

00:43:52.600 obviously the bar did not organize the night that they were raided and shut down by a separate

00:43:59.760 police investigation so uh no he even breaks it down to like the day the warrant was handled he's

00:44:06.600 like that was the 11th and in ancient calendars 11 meant what our modern calendar does not align

00:44:15.520 with ancient calendars that would be purely symbolic in your head but outside of that i 0.99

00:44:21.280 decided to dig into this guy more because i was just so shocked by the stupidity of this theory 0.97

00:44:26.060 i was like he doesn't because there's no way that the bar could have controlled when the 0.90

00:44:32.040 warrant on itself was handled down and then i realized he seems to really believe in all of

00:44:37.680 this pagan stuff like he thinks all these gods are real and that they're influencing stuff and

00:44:42.600 And so it's not that the bar or anyone had to intentionally be doing anything.

00:44:47.220 It's that the pagan gods are real and have power over our lives, which I guess some Christians can believe that.

00:44:57.960 To me, that sounds pretty sacrilegious, but okay. 0.55

00:45:03.620 By the way, for techno-Puritans, at least our branch of Christianity, that's a big no-no.

00:45:08.380 no pagan gods are not actual gods with power over you that that fight against the christian god

00:45:16.200 there is one god for some other stuff so you can just get into like how crack-minded some

00:45:20.880 conservatives can be and i think it's important that we as a movement stay away from this sort

00:45:25.160 of thinking because it discredits the truth of our movement you know when we're when we're trying

00:45:29.640 to open people's eyes to stuff uh the event was centered at a bar or a tavern ancient texts 0.99

00:45:36.620 associate the goddess with inhabiting or possessing ale houses that's where men went to have sex with

00:45:43.520 strangers in that period where else was it gonna happen yeah okay uh rioters performed the dance

00:45:51.800 of ishtar amid the chaos chanting words manching ancient inscriptions of the goddesses going into

00:45:56.520 battle i highly doubt they were that educated yeah that yeah that does seem a little highbrow

00:46:02.360 for this this place were drunk street thugs just for context we do know what they sung when they

00:46:09.760 danced there and it was not an ishtar battle cry or something it was we are the stonewall girls

00:46:16.640 we wear our hair and curls we wear no underwear we show our pubic hair we wear our dungerees 0.97

00:46:23.280 above our nelly knees so yeah not again and as i said this was a place about having sex with 0.98

00:46:30.340 strangers right like they make that very clear in the song okay looking for their prostitute 0.99

00:46:36.860 cups yeah lion symbolism i don't know if the bar had lion symbolism or not uh so i decided to look

00:46:44.820 it up and to just highlight how ridiculous the theory was there was nothing lion related

00:46:51.280 associated with the stonewall in it was a nearby establishment and when you think about how common

00:46:58.400 lions are used in insignia and stuff like that i mean yeah of course you could if you're looking

00:47:05.880 within a couple blocks of it find a lion somewhere in some logo uh i don't i don't think that it

00:47:12.540 would be meaningful if it did i mean it could but i i'm not familiar next one here a woman

00:47:18.540 named storm or stormy dela something is described as a key figure who helped spark the resistance

00:47:25.380 Khan links this to hymns calling for the goddess a loud thundering storm so does he think the

00:47:31.560 goddess is actually real and that the goddess put her in that position because of her name

00:47:36.500 or does he think that people are generally aware of ancient goddess tradition so much

00:47:41.480 they chose as a leader of their movement somebody who just happened to have a name

00:47:45.620 that sort of sounded like something that god was related to do you not see how crazy that sounds

00:47:52.100 like even if you are creating a cult that's not the way you do it you don't choose as your leader

00:47:58.480 a guy who happened to be given a name close to one of the goddesses and then have your own

00:48:04.100 operation shut down on a night to match some sort of prophecy i mean it almost sounds like this guy

00:48:08.880 believes all the pagan stuff uh which i really warn against this is why you got to stay away

00:48:13.880 from mystic brain nonsense because it'll get into you and then you start to get mystic brain

00:48:17.840 and he said the name stonewall itself is referring to a goddess a stone that breaks

00:48:23.600 the stone wall i what let's see what stonewall was named after i mean wasn't it a brick building

00:48:33.740 that the outside looked kind of like a brick wall i guess they could have called it brick wall

00:48:40.860 who cares but it was in it was believed to be inspired by the 1930s book the stonewall

00:48:48.920 recognizes the first autobiography of a lesbian but it wasn't a gay bar so that's that's got to

00:48:54.540 be wrong when it was converted because it was originally called bonnie's stonewall in in the 0.68

00:48:58.500 1930s and it was converted to a gay bar by the castle so these are gay people who made this up

00:49:03.300 later i guess the answer is is we don't know what the stone why it was named stonewall and

00:49:09.300 but it goes back to the 1930s well before any of this and when it was just a normal bar and end

00:49:16.160 um probably as simone said because it had a stone wall at some point in its history

00:49:22.360 that presumably was describing what it looks like you know um any any says that then writers try to

00:49:30.180 break in and violently set fire to it on that's that's not it wasn't a pagan celebrate we can

00:49:34.040 just call things what they are a bunch of horny games as it is we don't need it to be 0.91

00:49:39.880 more crazy now i'm gonna steal man the other side of this okay okay okay yeah how are we gonna

00:49:46.240 first i want to be clear i do not think that there is any way you can legitimately steam

00:49:52.120 and steel man these officers whose lives were put in danger who are investigating theft and

00:49:58.440 police corruption as in anything other than morally exemplary people for getting out of this

00:50:05.220 without opening fire on the crowd. That was crazy risk to their lives. The police response was

00:50:11.900 delayed. There is, I just think you're a morally disgusting person if you do that. These guys 0.97

00:50:18.100 appear to have been genuinely decent people from everything that we are aware of in a really trying 1.00

00:50:23.900 situation and did everything they could okay um what what can you say you can say well gay men

00:50:33.920 didn't have anywhere else to meet during this period that is not true they could have met in 0.84

00:50:39.140 places where they weren't drinking what you mean is party and okay that's a little unfair gay men 0.71

00:50:44.440 like to party right so uh why not start something outside of a mafia controlled thing well the mafia 0.87

00:50:50.700 could shut it down, right? Because the mafia makes money off of this and the mafia can be violent.

00:50:55.200 And so they don't want other gay bars operating in a above the board type of matter when they 0.96

00:51:01.580 can exploit this. So, okay, I can go with that, right? And then you could say, well, and that 0.99

00:51:09.180 environment was created by the laws. And so the laws, because they were created with a discriminatory

00:51:14.280 intent, were bad in that they created these environments and the need for police action or

00:51:19.900 the ability for the mafia to corner the market the problem is is that the laws objectively were

00:51:25.620 a good thing for the gay community in terms of disease spread as we know right like if even as 0.80

00:51:32.220 a gay person if you were king of all gays during this period and you had any awareness of what was 1.00

00:51:37.800 about to happen to the gay community or even during this time there was huge disease outbreaks 0.90

00:51:42.320 in the gay community i mean you're like i want to magnanimously do something that's good for the

00:51:46.440 community you would have had these along but you'd say but that's not why they were on the book they

00:51:50.060 were on the book for discriminatory reasons so it doesn't matter other effects they may have had on

00:51:54.800 the community or what you would have wanted as a member of the community or blah blah blah blah

00:51:57.740 okay okay uh i can i can um buy that uh and you could say and then it made sense to begin the

00:52:06.040 protests around these sorts of places because these were the gathering houses for young gay men

00:52:12.000 Or you could say, hey, come on, Malcolm. Not everybody who went there was looking for a prostitute or something like that. And this is the case. But there was definitely prostitution run out of there. Like, it was one of the things it was known for, right? A lot of these figures who were talking about her key to the movement were known for that as well. 0.94

00:52:29.900 um the the then what you can say and i think that this is probably the more honest answer is that it

00:52:35.900 wasn't all prostitution is the gay community that time was in part about financial exchanges um

00:52:44.180 you mean as in for sexual exchanges yes in the same way that like the effective altruist community

00:52:51.460 ended up developing this idea that like you're a girl in the community and you know one day you

00:52:56.520 end up sleeping with someone and they get like people kind of financially supporting each other

00:53:00.140 and then you're like oh you know it just sort of becomes normal to give girls money for sex

00:53:04.900 in in the effective altruist community um and and it ends up creating an expectation among certain

00:53:10.880 individuals in the community that that's going to happen if you're taking on the female role in a

00:53:15.080 relationship especially when you're in these and and what creates that environment frankly like 0.91

00:53:20.000 large polyamorous environments naturally create that phenomenon because if a person has multiple

00:53:26.740 people they can sleep with at the end of any given night and they are desirable you the person who

00:53:32.040 wants them to sleep with you has to have a reason right like why am i sleeping with you and not this

00:53:36.540 guy at the end of the night right um there's multiple guys here who want me it's like well

00:53:39.820 i got some money um and then that develops into a system where it just becomes a normal part of a

00:53:45.540 sexual relationship in this early community. And I don't think it's a good thing that it happens.

00:53:50.020 I think it's a horrible thing that it happens. I think it's a horrible thing that the community

00:53:52.300 normalized it. But you can understand how it comes to happen. Like there's, there are understandable

00:53:57.220 market forces driving this that are, it's not like someone planned on it to go that way. It

00:54:01.860 just tends to go that way. Yeah. It just tends to go that way. Right. Um, in very promiscuous

00:54:07.560 environments where, um, where, you know, this sort of thing happens where it's understood that

00:54:13.020 there's where well i guess where to begin with you have a free exchange an unregulated free

00:54:17.780 exchange yeah yeah um so uh that's that's the best steel man i can make of this i i don't think it's

00:54:25.800 a good steel man because the the officers were there about stolen liquor and police corruption

00:54:32.760 but they don't necessarily i get you know like it's a there are 200 people in that bar i could

00:54:37.500 also see you know you're there it's late at night you you're drunk on and possibly poisoned by

00:54:44.440 whatever it is that you're drinking so it's not exactly as your faculties are 100 online and you

00:54:49.780 don't know that they're there because of some mafia connection which you vaguely know about

00:54:54.460 you might think that they're there because there are various criminalized aspects of being gay

00:54:59.340 and so you're afraid they're coming for you and then you're that's a great steel man yeah

00:55:03.980 So I could see that they're just like, oh, man, they are coming for me.

00:55:09.540 Also not thinking very well.

00:55:11.000 I'm going to fight back.

00:55:12.180 And I also want to be clear here where you can be like, well, they started arresting random people.

00:55:16.080 They didn't start arresting random people on the first day.

00:55:18.460 The people who were booked were the staff.

00:55:21.160 And that was it.

00:55:22.440 It was not like anyone who happened to be there that day.

00:55:25.240 They were not being unreasonable.

00:55:27.080 They didn't even arrest many of the rioters, to my understanding, or any maybe.

00:55:31.780 so i decided to fact check this and it looks like originally it was just focused on the people

00:55:38.520 working at the bar and obviously doing the illegal act of selling the uh alcohol uh that was stolen

00:55:44.640 um but uh later on when the violent resistance began to happen uh there were arrests outside of

00:55:53.420 that group specifically there was a heterosexual folk singer who threw a brick or something at the

00:56:01.780 perfectly like good, good, good to me. Um, uh, there were 13 arrests. Um, some claim that it

00:56:12.880 was the gender checking of, uh, butch lesbians that led to this, but this doesn't align with

00:56:20.320 the other accounts that we have of this. It appears it was mostly just a resistance to

00:56:26.940 did somebody screwing up their night that that appears to be what caused this from what i've

00:56:32.700 seen of the bulk of the historic accounts and a lot of the other stuff appears to be revisionism

00:56:37.560 i'll check that afterwards but um yeah uh they were just being completely reasonable

00:56:44.500 law enforcement officers trying to shut something down that was a net uh negative for the gay

00:56:50.280 community in numerous ways and as we can see after things like stonewall was shut down the

00:56:55.720 good part there was a positive part of the gay community right this was the part that didn't let

00:57:00.000 these people come into their events right they're like we want to create wholesome gay we want to 0.97

00:57:04.500 create gays who have good lives who aren't degenerate heroin heads living in a slop house 0.99

00:57:10.380 and exploiting homeless people for sex right like that's that's not what we want the gay community 0.99

00:57:16.480 to be and stonewall always in its reality represented the antithesis of that it represented 0.55

00:57:24.140 the sexual exploitation of a vulnerable community and so going forwards and i really want people to

00:57:32.040 hold me to this so let's uh make sure you guys remind me over email or whatever next time

00:57:37.980 the stonewall stuff is coming up and we should try to organize i want to reach out to the other

00:57:44.140 podcasters i know to try to organize stonewall events i i think we should i think we need to

00:57:50.480 One, remember these brave police officers in the line of duty that almost died and that saved the lives of this crowd by not doing what I think anyone else would have done in an instance like that.

00:58:01.120 And I think that we need to, who uncovered police corruption, and we need to do that in a way that highlights the rewriting and path lighting of history.

00:58:13.440 that's crazy i think a new arc with our podcast might be historical revision um because that's

00:58:21.200 something that's been coming up in a lot of the stuff i've been reading lately so yeah i'm starting

00:58:25.380 to have this crisis about stuff that i thought was true um and what who and what i can trust

00:58:31.480 and it's not looking good but at least we shed light on different things so

00:58:37.460 well you guys can come here get your education at base camp um bring some marshmallows

00:58:44.080 we'll start a fire we'll be great well today i uh oh is it starting so i updated the rfab api

00:58:50.220 because grok wasn't accepting it for some people's compute accounts uh basically it gave too many

00:58:54.980 instructions and grok was weird about that it was like oh this is too much at once or something

00:58:58.980 someone i think was tweeting about this yeah so i fixed that so now there's a special way to paste

00:59:05.420 it in for grok that grok will handle and all of the other have been reinforced but one of the

00:59:12.300 new features i made for it was to improve the face-to-face comic making system um it's so cute

00:59:20.280 what you made for our kids yeah it's way too difficult to do what i did with any sort of

00:59:27.120 manual human interface it really only works with an api um but if you do have the api you can give

00:59:33.960 it a family photo uh and say or like collection of family photos and say make family comics from

00:59:40.300 this um and that's what it did for our kids that made comics with their likenesses in anime format

00:59:45.820 um going on adventures that they would care about it you know give it your kids

00:59:49.840 interest and everything like that um and this all originally came out of a not safe for work

00:59:55.680 comic system i was building uh for character consistency and not safe for work stuff and

00:59:59.840 And now I'm able to use it to make wholesome stuff for family.

01:00:00.700 Well, what produces children, Malcolm? 0.96

01:00:02.500 Sex produces children. 0.67

01:00:04.160 Look, it is the NSFW that is required for the wholesome. 0.60

01:00:08.260 Okay?

01:00:08.520 You can't have wholesome without NSFW.

01:00:09.800 Not in our family, Simone.

01:00:11.600 I know.

01:00:12.020 With our IVF, it's science and money.

01:00:14.160 But for most people, it's NSFW.

01:00:16.620 So, first off, we are without skin on this front.

01:00:18.640 I really hope we can end sex.

01:00:20.760 I think it's, you know, one of the key flaws in the human biology.

01:00:24.880 When people are like, what are the genetic modifications you would change of no sex?

01:00:29.840 number one um i mean just you know after the miscarriage that will not end i feel like a big

01:00:35.080 one is human gestation sometimes oh did you i don't know if you saw the email from the people

01:00:39.860 we cannot name it's crazy did you did you okay we'll talk about it after because i cannot say

01:00:47.060 anything it's really exciting it's really exciting no you can tell me and i can cut it out what is

01:00:53.740 exciting what's happening yeah that's awesome it's so awesome it's so freaking cool because

01:00:58.840 that is a first that is a huge breakthrough anyway i'm so excited yeah so so excited yeah and we own

01:01:05.860 a part of that company oh my god the foundation better yeah the foundation the pragmatist

01:01:11.760 foundation just for what was cut out there so people are aware is it we talk about this sometimes

01:01:17.000 on the show but when you're paying our fab or donating to us uh generally what you're actually

01:01:24.340 donating to we have yet to take a single dollar from anything we've made from youtube or donations

01:01:30.200 or subscriptions or our fab and put that to our daily life simone demanded a correction here that

01:01:37.140 apparently some small amount at one point did go to our daily life but generally speaking um all of

01:01:44.520 that money so far has gone into a non-profit foundation that serves the goals that we say

01:01:49.900 we stand for eventually we'll live off of it but for now it goes to our goals and at a period a

01:01:56.300 lot of money had built up in this particular foundation and so we began to invest in cutting

01:02:03.480 edge technology that we think could dramatically improve the human condition one of them that has

01:02:10.360 been leaked that we've invested in is uh germline gene editing in humans that is not where we just

01:02:18.740 had a major breakthrough it was in another one of the technologies we're really passionate about

01:02:22.040 but the one of the one of our investments in that field had um i i'd say uh the white house

01:02:31.500 approved level breakthroughs and their technology which i was also really excited to see because

01:02:38.840 when you're looking at cutting edge uh technology of of the type that simone and i care about

01:02:46.460 i think that there's this perception that like mainstream republicans are not about this stuff

01:02:52.340 the mainstream mega movement is yeah that it will all have to happen off the books at you know

01:02:56.660 what's that sovereign city prospera yeah well it's all gonna happen in secret places and off

01:03:03.540 the books and everything and and and what we're seeing instead is that the white house is

01:03:08.220 facilitating these leaps um which also if you're wondering if you're going to hate this sort of

01:03:14.140 research be like, well, would multiple people in the White House be involved with something

01:03:16.920 I would really hate? Probably not. So if you understood the technology, you wouldn't hate it.

01:03:30.440 They were hunting dirty cops. Now they're fighting for their lives.

01:03:35.140 Angry drunk hooligans with bottles for knives. They barricaded the building

01:03:40.020 And huddled in the dark

01:03:41.880 Eight officers against 200

01:03:43.740 Aiming to kill their mark

01:03:45.480 They tore a parking meter up

01:03:47.360 And rammed it into the door

01:03:49.240 They squirted light or flew it in

01:03:51.180 And set fire to the floor

01:03:53.560 You don't set fire to a bolted room to scare

01:03:58.720 They wanted to burn them alive

01:04:01.400 Trapped in there 0.94

01:04:02.540 They radioed for backup

01:04:04.360 But the backup didn't come

01:04:06.100 The precinct down the block 0.98

01:04:07.940 Was on the take and playing dumb 0.97

01:04:09.820 Everyone had a gun and the easy way out was clear 0.97

01:04:13.420 Shoot a path out through the crowd and get out of here

01:04:17.220 But a volley through the door risked bodies in the street

01:04:20.900 So they put their own lives on the line and held against the heat

01:04:24.720 The mob wanted every cop burned down to bone

01:04:28.360 The cops saved the mob's lives while fighting for their own

01:04:32.180 In all the World War II, he had never been so scared

01:04:35.780 But he held back fire even though every gun was bare

01:04:39.540 So raise a glass to the boys in blue

01:04:42.440 Eight against two hundred, but they saw it through

01:04:46.820 They saved lives, a game, and they stood for what's right

01:04:50.560 And the very people they saved tried to set them alight

01:04:54.400 So how'd they coctioned up in a building satellite

01:05:05.220 Go back to fat Tony's bar an hour before the fight 0.50

01:05:09.420 Overflowing toilets and windows painted black

01:05:13.020 Watered down whiskey and blackmail out the back 1.00

01:05:16.660 Scum Murphy worked the door and bled gay men inside 0.99

01:05:20.100 Admiral William Church paid until he couldn't, then he died 0.99

01:05:23.960 They took their cash, they took their lives, they gave them hepatitis 2 0.74

01:05:27.500 That bar was never a friend of gays, it bled them through and through

01:05:31.240 The six priests who took the envelope and looked the other ways 0.97

01:05:35.040 They took the bar so they could keep exploiting the gays 0.96

01:05:38.820 Inspector Seymour Prime suspected a crooked cop 0.95

01:05:42.400 So he risked his life to put the corruption to a stop

01:05:46.100 So raise a glass to the boys in blue

01:05:49.000 Eight against two hundred, but they saw it through

01:05:53.360 They saved lives of game and they stood for what's right

01:05:57.100 And the very people they saved tried to set them alight

01:06:00.820 Now they'll tell you of the villain who let the first brick fly

01:06:04.580 But the witnesses who stood there say that story is a lie

01:06:08.220 Rivera was crashed out on heroin

01:06:10.260 30 blocks away

01:06:11.840 Such a predator

01:06:12.940 Pride events themselves would bar him one day 1.00

01:06:15.920 Marsha, a drag queen and nothing more 0.98

01:06:19.260 Did not even arrive until fire was on the floor 1.00

01:06:23.100 Anyone who tells you a trans was 1.00

01:06:25.500 There is a liar 1.00

01:06:26.660 Appropriating gay history is apparently fire 0.99

01:06:30.280 They'll call anti-gay bar laws 0.98

01:06:32.840 Bigotry and spite 1.00

01:06:34.120 But the rules had purpose

01:06:36.140 And held back a blight

01:06:37.660 Nations learned it over generations, never knowing why 1.00

01:06:41.440 If you allow indiscriminate gay sex, young men start to die 1.00

01:06:45.280 So was Stonewall one, gay bars filled by the score 1.00

01:06:48.780 A decade on the funerals came, hundreds of thousands or more 1.00

01:06:52.800 The AIDS epidemic was Stonewall's prize 0.99

01:06:56.480 Activists spread AIDS, that's the reason for the lies 1.00

01:07:00.040 The only ones who saved a life that night

01:07:03.740 Were the eight who wouldn't shoot to win a fight

01:07:07.140 So every tune, when the banners fly

01:07:10.200 Never let them gaslight you with a lie

01:07:13.760 For the eight who stood their ground 0.94

01:07:15.780 In 69, enrooting our dirty cops

01:07:19.420 And holding the thin blue light 0.97

01:07:37.140 You

Based Camp - October 12, 2026

You Have Been Lied to About Stonewall (The Police Were Heroes)

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