Based Camp - You Have Been Lied To! The Democratic and Republican Base are Equally Racist

00:00:00.000 The guy who wrote Richmond, North of Richmond, said, we are the melting pot of the world, and that's what makes us strong, our diversity.

00:00:08.840 And we need to learn to harness that and appreciate it.

00:00:11.820 And progressives were like, oh, now he's going to get beaten up by all the conservatives because they hate that talk.

00:00:18.920 And it hasn't really happened.

00:00:20.520 Where did this idea that there's like conservative racists come from?

00:00:24.320 I am going to send Simone a poll by 538.

00:00:27.340 So they did a series of polls on this.

00:00:29.040 And you grew up in the democratic movement.

00:00:31.820 So you grew up being inundated with this lie that the conservatives are the racist party in this country.

00:00:37.780 Oh, totally.

00:00:38.200 So let's see you see the actual statistics here.

00:00:41.800 Just sent you the first one. 0.91

00:00:43.060 Whites who say they would not vote for a black president.

00:00:45.800 Democrats were higher at this until Obama became president.

00:00:51.160 Yeah, between 15 and 7% of white Democrats said that they would not vote for a black president.

00:00:57.540 Whereas by comparison, only 5% of white Republicans reported that they would not vote for a black president.

00:01:03.000 So this isn't like hidden racism.

00:01:04.680 A lot of the time when conservatives say Democrats are racist, they mean like affirmative action is a fundamentally racist policy in many ways.

00:01:12.440 But they're sort of twisting things around a bit.

00:01:15.220 I mean just like actually, blatantly, normally, in the normalist sense of the term, the Democratic base is about as racist in the most traditional sense as the Republican base.

00:01:28.780 There was never this grand flip.

00:01:31.180 But hold on.

00:01:31.620 I'm going to show you more stats here.

00:01:33.500 So now I'm going to get to the spicy take here.

00:01:36.080 Okay.

00:01:36.440 When I look at the conservative intellectual sphere, where do I see the actual like loud racist, right?

00:01:43.660 I call them in like the Nick Fuentes sphere. 0.98

00:01:45.580 I think when you think through the ideology, you realize it's almost so stupid that no one could actually hold it. 0.86

00:01:51.340 And it's so incongruous with actual right-wing ideology that there is no way that these individuals could have real large followings within the right-wing sphere. 0.86

00:02:03.480 Which leads me to believe they might be plants either by the CIA or a foreign government.

00:02:09.300 Would you like to know more?

00:02:10.820 Oh Malcolm, how long has it been since we've spoken?

00:02:14.060 It has been too long.

00:02:16.640 There's been this song that went viral in first conservative circles and then progressives freaked out about it, which was Richmond, north of Richmond, which started out, which I love, very appealing to like progressive audiences.

00:02:29.280 Like the first half of the song is like how hard it is to be a working man in today's society.

00:02:33.500 And then it starts talking about, you know, welfare queens and, you know, protecting minors.

00:02:38.480 And they are, obviously they have a meltdown about this.

00:02:41.620 But what's been very interesting is the follow-up to this, which liberals are being very smug amount, which is the guy who wrote the song, then said, we are the melting pot of the world.

00:02:54.820 And that's what makes us strong, our diversity.

00:02:57.940 And we need to learn to harness that and appreciate it and not use it as a political tool to keep everyone separate from it.

00:03:05.620 And progressives are like, oh, now he's going to get beaten up by all the conservatives because they hate that talk.

00:03:13.440 And it hasn't really happened. 0.96

00:03:15.100 There have been a few like your typical like crazy racists who have gotten mad at him.

00:03:20.020 But in general, his base still really likes him.

00:03:23.460 And that is because this view, like if you actually hang out with the conservative base, if you hang out with like real conservative voters in this country, you would intuitively know this is what most of them think.

00:03:38.980 And this is really interesting for me because it's it's it got me thinking a few questions.

00:03:45.400 One, where did this idea that there's like conservative racists come from, which, you know, historically, the Democrats were the party of the Klan.

00:03:54.280 Yes, parties, quote unquote, switched at one period, but not exactly.

00:03:59.360 They switched about as much as they did when Trump was president.

00:04:02.840 And by that, what I mean, you know, when Trump was president, now all of a sudden the right is more protectionist.

00:04:07.920 The right is more anti-war.

00:04:09.840 The right, you know, it just it just a lot of things switched, but not everything switched.

00:04:13.180 So how did how did one party go from being the party of the Klan to then the other one being the racist party?

00:04:19.300 And what I'm going to argue is that never actually happened.

00:04:21.900 Oh, Republicans were never actually the racist party.

00:04:25.020 And we're going to go over a lot of stats here, but also some some narrative stuff.

00:04:30.580 But first, the first way that this perception has happened that I want to dig into, because I find it very fascinating and something that you've definitely seen as well,

00:04:38.680 is we know a lot of the political elite of the conservative party.

00:04:44.460 You know, I've had presidents that were people who would be president or past presidents.

00:04:48.560 I've been to House parties that they're hosted and stuff like that.

00:04:51.420 I know the type of people that they're associating with.

00:04:54.240 And the vast majority are progressives.

00:04:57.260 And the question is why?

00:04:59.080 This is the fun thing.

00:04:59.880 So Simone, for example, she was managing director of Dialogue, which was a secret society that was originally founded by Peter Thiel and Arn Hoffman.

00:05:06.580 So, you know, very conservative founding, you could say.

00:05:09.460 Right.

00:05:10.160 And yet they had to institute an affirmative action policy for getting in if you were conservative, because so few people of the type of people that they're admitting, you know,

00:05:21.020 leaders in, you know, Fortune 500 companies, major tech companies, stuff like that, were like out conservatives.

00:05:28.820 And this is something you see across the political sphere, is that typically the ultra wealthy who live in cities in our society and control a lot of the wealth, there's just not many conservatives in those groups.

00:05:41.000 And so when the politicians are associating with people who they see as their peers, the truth is, is they interact with very few actual conservatives, very few actual people in their base.

00:05:51.220 And so when they are constructing an image of who their base is, they often rely more on the stereotypes progressives have of their base than on their actual base.

00:06:04.000 Wow.

00:06:04.600 Well, in an open secret in D.C., and Simone, you've had these conversations with people before as well.

00:06:10.040 We talk with conservatives in D.C., and they're like, it is an open secret that a lot of the campaign staffers of the major, you know, Senate campaigns and stuff like that, presidential campaigns who are in the conservative group are actually just Democrats who are holding their nose.

00:06:24.820 And the reason for this is, is there are very few people with the right degrees to hold these positions who are also willing to be mindless bureaucrats to like a giant bureaucratic machines who also have a conservative ideology.

00:06:41.880 So not only within the political class in this country, if you're talking about conservatives, is their friend network often really, really progressive in their mindset, but their staffers who, when they're asking, you know, what does my base think?

00:06:57.700 And because there's become some, you know, don't, don't poll that was seen as sort of an overly Democrat thing to do, to do all this polling.

00:07:03.820 So they use their intuition and their intuition is often the intuition of a progressive based on the stereotypes progressives have of conservatives.

00:07:11.880 And so it has created a picture for a lot of politicians, which can lead them to act in ways, which genuinely seem like they're trying to pander to a racist demographic that I will go further to argue doesn't really exist.

00:07:27.000 Huh.

00:07:28.840 That's really interesting.

00:07:30.360 I've never heard this theory before.

00:07:32.140 I'm loving it.

00:07:33.140 Okay.

00:07:33.380 You're loving it.

00:07:34.280 Yes.

00:07:34.620 But hold on.

00:07:35.820 Here is where it's going to get really fun.

00:07:38.000 Okay.

00:07:38.380 So I decided to go out there and try to find, I was like, okay, what percentage of conservatives are actually racist, right?

00:07:47.060 So I was looking through statistics and I could find a news articles being like, okay, a lot of conservatives are racist.

00:07:54.020 Look at the way they answer these questions.

00:07:56.040 So I'll go over the questions that they were saying proved that they were racist.

00:08:00.320 Okay.

00:08:00.680 God granted the United States a special role in human history.

00:08:04.480 64% of Republicans said, yes, 32% of Democrats did.

00:08:09.400 That just seems obvious to me if you believe in God.

00:08:12.700 I mean, the U.S. has a very important role in the world.

00:08:17.000 Yeah.

00:08:17.620 And if God makes everything happen, then therefore God did that.

00:08:22.360 That is an intuitively true thing and obviously not a racist thing.

00:08:26.200 Right.

00:08:26.540 So the next one would be, this is spooky conservatives.

00:08:30.920 When asked, has America become too soft and feminine?

00:08:35.960 63% of Republicans agreed and 24% of Democrats did.

00:08:41.200 Would you say that's just intuitively true?

00:08:43.380 I think most sane people would say that.

00:08:45.380 I mean, I think that progressives, it's a very feminized political affiliation, whereas the conservative political affiliation is more masculine.

00:08:53.920 I did see a really interesting set of stats showing that actually the male to the female gap between conservatism and progressivism in some nations are actually like very low.

00:09:05.640 So it's hard to say.

00:09:06.480 I will pull up this stat on the screen.

00:09:09.200 It's really interesting.

00:09:10.320 So there's a few countries.

00:09:11.860 U.S. is actually unique.

00:09:13.540 Not totally unique, but it's not a truism that in every country, the more conservative faction is more male and the more progressive faction is more feminine.

00:09:24.580 Exactly.

00:09:24.920 But I would say at least in the United States, that is true. 0.99

00:09:27.400 So while it isn't universally true, it does seem to be somewhat of a truism that in the United States, it is a ginocracy. 0.82

00:09:37.280 Okay, but it's certainly not a racist.

00:09:40.240 Like, they're not proving any racism there.

00:09:41.880 No, that only has to do with being, like, I guess, more male-oriented versus female-oriented.

00:09:45.700 Yeah, I guess they thought it made conservatives look bad or something.

00:09:48.720 Oh, here was the one where they really thought they had gotten them.

00:09:51.240 Okay.

00:09:52.020 57% of Republicans believed that whites face, quote-unquote, a lot of discrimination, while just 52% believe blacks do.

00:10:01.780 And among Democrats, 13% said whites do, and 92% said blacks do. 0.70

00:10:06.840 So keep in mind, for Republicans, about the same number believed that whites face discrimination as blacks face discrimination.

00:10:14.080 That seems intuitively true to me.

00:10:17.980 And certainly not a racist claim.

00:10:20.580 Well, I mean, you could argue that everyone faces discrimination because everyone has views about different groups, whether they want to admit it or not.

00:10:28.460 And, you know, there's-

00:10:29.040 Oh, here's another statistic I found, right?

00:10:31.380 They go, okay, when respondents were asked whether they approved of the teaching of critical race theory, 78% of Republicans disapproved, was only 16% said they were in favor of the practice, and 75% of Democrats said that they approved of teaching it, well, only 15% disapproved.

00:10:47.700 Critical race theory isn't, like, about racism.

00:10:51.160 I mean, it is one theory around how to view systemic racism that started in the legal profession, as I understand it.

00:10:58.720 Yeah, it's not necessarily an endorsement of being anti-racist.

00:11:04.720 I think it's interesting because a lot of the differentiation is on certain specific performative anti-racist views that are really held strongly by one group, and then another group that I guess just isn't that interested in having all those conversations.

00:11:24.420 And I think it's more, through its actions, anti-racist.

00:11:29.120 Yeah.

00:11:29.700 So I could keep going through statistics here.

00:11:32.680 I actually collected a lot more statistics to go through.

00:11:34.780 Wow, okay.

00:11:35.160 I don't want to bore viewers before I get to the fun part.

00:11:38.460 Okay, what's the fun part?

00:11:39.740 So I'm going to send Simone a poll.

00:11:43.200 This was done by 538.

00:11:44.700 So they did a series of polls on this.

00:11:46.620 Okay.

00:11:46.920 And you grew up in the Democratic movement.

00:11:49.160 So you grew up being inundated with this lie that the conservatives are the racist party in this country.

00:11:54.900 Oh, totally, yeah.

00:11:55.840 And so you totally believe this, going into this, right?

00:11:58.900 Yes.

00:11:59.560 Okay, so let's see you see the actual statistics here.

00:12:03.400 Just send you the first one. 0.96

00:12:04.460 All right, whites who say they would not vote for a black president.

00:12:09.400 We have white Republicans versus white Democrats, and they're basically neck and neck until...

00:12:14.460 Except Democrats were higher at this until Obama became president.

00:12:21.120 Oh, snap. 0.99

00:12:21.980 Democrats were...

00:12:23.320 Yeah, like basically in 96, white Republicans hit an all-time low where only 5% of Republicans who were white said they wouldn't vote.

00:12:33.860 Yeah, well, I guess our podcast listeners can't see what's happening.

00:12:36.540 Yeah.

00:12:37.040 So up until Obama, more Democrats said they would not vote for a black president than Republicans.

00:12:43.340 Yeah, between 15% and 7% of white Democrats said that they would not vote for a black president, whereas by comparison, only 5% of white Republicans reported that they would not vote for a black president.

00:12:55.080 So that's very interesting.

00:12:57.200 This is from the general social survey.

00:12:58.900 Did that shock you, given what you grew up hearing?

00:13:01.940 Yeah, well, I don't know.

00:13:03.140 I mean, I do get the impression that a lot of white Democrats or white progressives in general are a lot more racist because they're, like, to a certain extent, I think they're overthinking race.

00:13:15.880 Like, just to the point of them ending up being really racist or, like, even avoiding other races because it's too stressful.

00:13:21.340 I don't think that's it at all.

00:13:22.340 There was a recent poll that I saw that I think explains it.

00:13:25.040 Really?

00:13:25.420 Okay.

00:13:25.720 What is this poll?

00:13:27.060 Of both Republicans and Democrats, how many black friends they had, white ones?

00:13:30.780 Republicans had more black friends.

00:13:32.380 No, that makes sense.

00:13:33.880 But that's my point, is I think that because white progressives are way, way, way more sensitive about racism and, like, all the performative things they're supposed to do around racism and that they're supposed to feel really bad about racism and they're the bad guy.

00:13:48.320 Like, it's frankly just too stressful to have friends outside your own race.

00:13:52.720 And when you actually look at it, when you look at the...

00:13:56.380 I don't think that's what a progressive would tell themselves, but I think it's a lie.

00:13:59.600 The truth is, is that Republicans are just less racist.

00:14:05.080 The Democrats, look, you saw the statistics.

00:14:08.320 You're acting like, oh, they're just too sensitive.

00:14:11.040 They literally said they would not vote for a black person for president more than Republicans until Obama became Simone.

00:14:18.420 And this is 538.

00:14:19.880 This is like a completely nonpartisan polling thing that is known for very good polling data, right?

00:14:27.240 And you're here being like, oh, no, it's just that they care so much.

00:14:30.740 No, the truth is, is that they are actually racist. 0.94

00:14:34.380 And they have a lot of racists in their party. 0.97

00:14:36.860 And that, no, no, and the truth is, and when you hang out with, you know, we have a lot of black friends, right? 0.81

00:14:44.400 And of the, and this is where I think it's actually going on here.

00:14:49.020 Of the black friends I know, the ones who are most comfortable hanging out with a lot of non-black people are typically more conservative. 0.99

00:14:57.160 And I think that's a big part of it, right?

00:14:58.900 Like, it's the people who just don't care about race who are often going to end up sorting into these more Republican circles.

00:15:06.380 Largely because I think if you are, if you let go of all this racial identity politics, which you really need.

00:15:13.200 So, for example, they'll say, oh, Republicans are racist because they want to keep out immigrants, right?

00:15:18.420 Right.

00:15:19.140 And what they really mean is they, because even Trump wanted a skilled immigrants, like policy plan to let in skilled immigrants, like we have proposed.

00:15:27.500 What they wanted to do was keep out like a flood of unskilled immigrants. 1.00

00:15:32.280 And that's not like a racial issue.

00:15:34.720 That's just like sane economic policy.

00:15:38.760 And, but hold on, I'm going to show you more stats here.

00:15:41.620 Okay.

00:15:42.000 But let me just, let me just argue though, that I think ultimately the progressive perspective on race is actually for group separation.

00:15:49.440 Like Robin DiAngelo and many of her seminars that she would, she would lead.

00:15:54.020 She's the woman who wrote White Fragility would actually encourage employees at companies to create race affinity groups, like the white people group. 0.94

00:16:03.060 So they could talk about their experiences.

00:16:04.500 They would never stop acting like the Klan.

00:16:05.980 They just took off their hoods.

00:16:07.300 Well, that's, that's why the Klan, I think also the Klan has gotten along so well with some leaders of the nation of Islam, for example, because both groups are like, yeah, you stay in your group. 0.97

00:16:16.680 I'm going to stay in my group.

00:16:17.640 We do not mix.

00:16:18.680 We do not hang out with each other.

00:16:20.200 We just agree to not like each other.

00:16:22.200 Hold on.

00:16:22.540 Hold on.

00:16:22.820 I'm going to continue to send you more statistics.

00:16:24.800 Okay.

00:16:25.140 Okay.

00:16:25.480 So here's the next poll that they ran. 0.99

00:16:27.920 Whites who say Blacks are more unintelligent than intelligence. 0.97

00:16:32.180 Again, you can see here that the lines, sometimes Republicans are at the top, sometimes Democrats are at the top of this. 0.99

00:16:37.220 No, no, no.

00:16:37.580 Hold on.

00:16:38.000 So they've been pretty much neck and neck always.

00:16:40.120 However, white Republicans up until about 2009 were a slightly more racist on this front than white Democrats.

00:16:49.320 And then slightly more, but this is not the perception you're getting in the media.

00:16:52.760 If I was a politician and I was pandering to a racist base, and these are the polls I was seeing, it would not make sense for a Republican to pander to racism any more than it would make sense for a Democrat to pander to racism.

00:17:04.880 Well, and we're talking about a difference of two to three percentage points with this graph.

00:17:08.300 This graph is showing that the rates peaked in maybe the late 80s at, for Republicans, maybe 43%, and then for, sorry, 33%, and for Democrats, around 30%.

00:17:21.520 So that's 30 versus 33%.

00:17:23.580 It's still a minority and it's still, yeah, very, very close.

00:17:27.260 So I see, I see what you're saying.

00:17:29.340 This is interesting.

00:17:30.600 Okay.

00:17:31.160 Okay.

00:17:31.380 So next one, right?

00:17:32.760 Okay. 0.91

00:17:33.660 This one is whites who oppose living in a half black neighborhood. 0.96

00:17:37.180 Wow. 0.96

00:17:37.580 Okay.

00:17:37.820 So these are like genuinely, I mean, maybe one percentage point apart in the late 80s, but they're neck and neck through 96 and they start to diverge.

00:17:46.600 Um, yeah, but even with Democrats, even still it's 20%, you know?

00:17:50.560 Yeah.

00:17:50.920 They're, they're, they're, again, extremely close.

00:17:53.160 The point I'm making with these is that there is not a clear, like racist Republican faction and clear, like non-racist Democrat faction.

00:17:59.780 Yeah.

00:18:00.400 No, this is, this is really interesting because you definitely, if you'd ask me to predict what are the differences on these things, you know, would, would not vote for a black president who would not want to live in a half black neighborhood. 0.80

00:18:12.640 Like I would have thought that there would be at least a 20 percentage point difference.

00:18:17.360 And here we're seeing like two to three percentage points different.

00:18:20.200 And in some cases, Republican, sorry, Democrats being more racist than Republicans, which is wild.

00:18:26.200 So this isn't like hidden racism.

00:18:27.620 Like I think a lot of the time when conservatives say like Democrats are racist, they mean like affirmative action is a fundamentally racist policy in many ways.

00:18:36.520 Right.

00:18:36.760 But they're sort of like, you know, twisting things around a bit.

00:18:39.740 I mean, just like actually blatantly, normally in the normalist sense of the term, the Democratic base is about as racist in the most traditional sense as the Republican base.

00:18:53.380 There was never this grand flip.

00:18:55.820 And there is a great article that actually goes over the history of this and how this lie sort of started and how it was propagated.

00:19:03.060 So the article I suggest, and I can link to it, is the myth of the racist Republicans, the truth about the Southern strategy.

00:19:11.480 And basically what it points out is this was all a lot more nuanced.

00:19:14.460 And it's very similar, you know, to calling somebody who's against affirmative action or somebody who is, you know, against unrestricted immigration racist.

00:19:23.200 We're like, yes, I suppose somebody could be motivated by race to believe those things.

00:19:27.660 But the vast majority of people who are against these things are not motivated by racist reasons.

00:19:31.900 And so then this gets me to a really interesting point.

00:19:35.420 So there's a few things here.

00:19:36.780 Where is actual racism in the U.S.?

00:19:40.900 Like, where is this coming from if it's not coming from the Republican actual base?

00:19:46.300 If this guy who wrote this song, you know, Richmond North, North of Richmond, I think very much represents the actual concerns of the Republican base.

00:19:55.280 Where is it coming from?

00:19:56.140 One is this misunderstanding of what Republicans think that is taken on by politicians.

00:20:02.360 But I also think that this misunderstanding is taken on by a lot of young, like, firebrand conservatives who don't actually have real conservative friends.

00:20:11.780 Like, rising intellectual class.

00:20:13.540 This guy at Harvard decides he wants to be a dissident or whatever.

00:20:16.840 And so he's like, yes, I'm a conservative and I need to appeal to other conservatives.

00:20:20.360 And so I'm going to go out there and act racist.

00:20:23.220 That acts like the caricature of a conservative.

00:20:25.700 So all of these views, you think, are people acting like they think Republicans?

00:20:30.960 No, so there's a few other things.

00:20:32.020 Yeah, I think that that's a huge part of it.

00:20:33.940 I think another big part of it is coming from what we call the tyranny of the unemployed problem.

00:20:39.280 And this is to say within any online community, the most interaction you're going to see, if it's like a completely unfiltered, like just based on how much they comment or how much they upvote or something like that, people who have disproportionately been kicked out of society for being like a turd or like annoying or a twerk, they are going to disproportionately comment in these environments, right?

00:20:59.880 And so, and they are going to disproportionately upvote stuff.

00:21:03.620 They are going to disproportionately interact with stuff, right?

00:21:06.160 And this is what you see on Reddit.

00:21:07.320 This is what you see on YouTube comments often, although we have the best audience, so we don't see it, but you see it in other environments.

00:21:13.780 And it can create a perception for people that this is actually the mainstream view within this person's fan base or within the base of people who consume this content.

00:21:24.180 When it's actually not.

00:21:25.160 And so I do think that there are a lot of right now, like unemployed people who have an extremely, you know, external locus of control. 0.81

00:21:33.900 So these are like slovenly white people who just blame all of their problems on other, you know, on whether it's women or black people or something like that.

00:21:44.060 And they feel like when they're looking and they say, who do I identify with? 0.98

00:21:47.960 Which political party has my back?

00:21:49.600 They think the conservative party is going to have their back.

00:21:52.080 So they're like, okay, I'm going to go online.

00:21:53.820 I'm going to engage with these people.

00:21:55.800 But their actual ideology does not really align with a cohesive right-wing intellectual theory or view of the world.

00:22:02.980 They are just random whiners that really have almost nothing to do with real conservative politics.

00:22:10.280 They just appear in online circles a lot.

00:22:12.480 A final thing that I think is really interesting is when we talk about the media coverage around this, how far the left has to go to paint a picture that the right is racist.

00:22:25.240 Remember how I was going through all those leading survey questions?

00:22:28.260 Yeah.

00:22:28.420 Like the Proud Boys, for example. 0.98

00:22:30.800 The guy who runs the Proud Boys is black. 0.95

00:22:35.160 Or at least he's not white. 0.91

00:22:37.140 I don't know what ethnicity he identifies with, but he's far from white and I think black. 0.67

00:22:42.040 And it's wild.

00:22:43.600 So when the left is trying to categorize this Republican movement as racist, they will go out.

00:22:48.580 And I saw a documentary that was trying to show that the Proud Boys were racist.

00:22:51.500 And like the best they could do was like random okay hand signs from like nobodies who happen to be at the rallies, right?

00:23:00.600 You can go to any rally.

00:23:02.020 I half imagine them filming being like, we're not getting anything racist here.

00:23:06.480 Hey, you, Jim, can you go stand in that crowd and flash some okay signs?

00:23:10.480 I saw on 4chan that that's how racists communicate with each other.

00:23:15.280 Now, anybody who doesn't know, it was actually a fake thing on 4chan.

00:23:18.420 They were originally trying to show that the news had just gone insane and would see anything as a racist sign.

00:23:24.380 So they pretended the okay sign was an actual racist sign. 1.00

00:23:28.340 Now, some racists have picked it up, but I don't, I think that this is more just like internet idiots who didn't know, who didn't know. 0.99

00:23:36.300 That it was a joke to begin with. 0.99

00:23:37.820 When you're talking about like actual racists, you're typically talking about like the lowest common denominator, intellectually speaking.

00:23:43.980 But anyway, so, so then where, where are, so I talked about the lowest common denominator, intellectually speaking.

00:23:50.640 So now I'm going to get to the spicy take here.

00:23:53.240 Okay.

00:23:53.660 When I look at the conservative intellectual sphere, where do I see the actual like loud racists, right?

00:24:01.080 I am predominantly seeing them.

00:24:03.460 I call them in like the Nick Fuentes sphere.

00:24:05.280 This is the Catholic integralist sphere. 0.99

00:24:07.700 And yet, the more I think about it, like I've talked about how stupid this ideology is before, but I'm actually going to go into it because I think when you think through the ideology, you realize it's almost so stupid that no one could actually hold it. 0.95

00:24:20.200 And it's so incongruous with actual right-wing ideology that there is no way that these individuals could have real large followings within the right-wing sphere, which leads me to believe they might be plants either by the CIA or a foreign government. 0.97

00:24:38.140 I love this theory.

00:24:38.880 All right, so what Catholic integralists want from the world, right, is they want a world in which the entire world is ruled under a single Catholic monarchy.

00:24:52.420 They want sort of a Catholic caliphate to rule the entire world. 0.94

00:24:57.000 However, they're also like anti-immigrant and racist, which makes no sense.

00:25:02.260 The majority of the immigrants coming to the U.S. are Catholic, right?

00:25:08.440 Presumably, if you thought that the whole world could operate under a Catholic caliphate, interculturalism was in our country in which that interculturalism is represented by a larger Catholic voting bloc should not be a concern at all.

00:25:24.200 Second, Catholicism more broadly is, I think, one of the least racist religions on the planet.

00:25:31.700 Yeah, seriously.

00:25:33.480 Let's talk about what I mean when I say that.

00:25:35.380 And it's the only religion I know of in the planet where, within other religions, saints would be essentially demigods.

00:25:41.780 Whatever you want, they have miraculous powers given to them by the one true God.

00:25:45.700 They are the only religion I'm aware of that have saints of, like, literally every ethnic group.

00:25:50.440 They have many Hispanic saints.

00:25:53.080 They have a Hispanic pope.

00:25:55.140 They have, what are you, this does not make sense that this is an anti-Hispanic group or that they would have this big anti-Hispanic contingent.

00:26:05.040 They have many black saints, you know? 0.90

00:26:08.120 But it gets more insane to this.

00:26:10.600 Then what you're saying is that this ideology is popular among U.S. conservatives who are predominantly Protestant and predominantly anti-globalist.

00:26:21.880 That this globalist ideology, like, super-globalist ideology has somehow taken over?

00:26:29.460 No, no, no, no, no.

00:26:30.700 It's almost a Looney Tunes villain-esque ideology.

00:26:34.020 I want to rule the entire world and I'm also racist and I want to.

00:26:38.220 But when you put it all together, it, like, doesn't hold together.

00:26:41.760 It falls apart.

00:26:42.900 It is the insane ramblings of the worst that progressives assume of conservatives.

00:26:50.260 Well, yeah, because something has to not be true.

00:26:52.460 Either the Catholic caliphate is not an actual end goal or because there's no other explanation as to how it's really going to effectively take place unless, like, the Catholic populations are able to coalesce and unite and move more freely in a way that helps them create strong coalitions of power.

00:27:11.580 Yeah, and it's not that there aren't Catholics that do eventually want to convert everyone.

00:27:16.540 I mean, Catholicism is, at the end of the day, a dominating religious group.

00:27:19.840 But Catholicism as a dominating religious group is incredibly intercultural.

00:27:24.700 They are just incredibly intercultural.

00:27:27.080 And, in fact, they're even structured in a way, the hierarchical structure of the Catholic Church is really useful because all people are intrinsically racist to some extent when they meet a group that they're not familiar with or they're around another group.

00:27:41.720 And that hierarchical nature of the Catholic Church has historically allowed them to say, hey, you colonizers are going a little far right now.

00:27:50.620 You need to tone this down.

00:27:52.160 Even though the popular zeitgeist is saying do this stuff, you need to not do this stuff. 0.88

00:27:56.320 You need to stop having unconsensual sex with people you're meeting.

00:28:02.180 You need to start doing nice things for them.

00:28:04.360 You need to start setting up schools for them.

00:28:06.020 That has been the core of Catholic doctrine for a long time.

00:28:09.640 And so, yes, there are some Catholics that want the entire world under, you know, a Catholic state.

00:28:15.720 But they are also intrinsically some of the least racist people in terms of how they view this, you know.

00:28:23.340 Well, you have to be.

00:28:25.160 I guess if you have a dominating, I don't know, it's interesting, right?

00:28:30.980 I could argue that both dominating and symbiotic cultures are racist, but in very different ways.

00:28:35.820 And they're inclusive in very different ways, right?

00:28:37.960 But Catholicism is not.

00:28:39.160 How is a dominating culture often racist?

00:28:41.600 I am aware of almost no dominating culture that's racist.

00:28:46.220 They're, well, so I would argue that they're racist and they're not allowing differences in the end.

00:28:52.560 Like, mimetic culture.

00:28:53.260 But that's not about race.

00:28:55.300 Yeah, I guess, yeah.

00:28:56.220 I mean, yeah, I guess, yeah.

00:28:58.280 They don't require, like, everyone to.

00:29:00.000 They're culturalists.

00:29:01.100 They're cultural supremacists, but they're almost never racial supremacists.

00:29:04.300 Yeah, that's fair.

00:29:05.420 Yeah, that's fair.

00:29:06.020 And this is really important because it means that this ideology.

00:29:10.780 So where could this ideology be coming from if it's not a CIA plant job, which I don't think it might be, okay?

00:29:15.980 Why?

00:29:16.320 What would be the benefit of that to paint one party as, like, the racist party?

00:29:21.620 Okay, well, so this is actually interesting.

00:29:24.300 So the deep, the Republicans are not wrong when they say the deep state.

00:29:27.480 You and I know a lot of people in D.C., okay?

00:29:30.240 We know a lot of high-profile people in D.C.

00:29:32.300 Democrats and people with progressive leanings, as well as this, frankly, culturalist, racist, whatever you want to call it, view of urban Americans, are the dominant cultural faction there, okay?

00:29:44.980 They do not want, when Trump was coming into power, they saw that as an existential threat.

00:29:49.740 Yeah, I guess you could argue that, like, D.C. is run by elitist technocrats who typically come from progressive backgrounds.

00:29:57.460 So they are not representative of the rural disenfranchised.

00:30:01.060 They're not representative of-

00:30:02.420 The CIA literally, like, they have been caught in these cases having lied, or it might have been the FBI, I can't remember which one, trying to get Trump indicted.

00:30:11.440 You know, these communications, oh, you know, you don't know the text chains that came out, like, we have to get Trump, we have to-

00:30:17.720 Oh, really?

00:30:19.520 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was a guy talking with his girlfriend who was also in the institution, and-

00:30:23.660 Oh, dear.

00:30:24.380 I'll try to put the chains, but they were like, yeah, obviously Trump can't happen, we need to make sure that doesn't happen.

00:30:29.480 Oh, and we sat in rooms where people said that, too, people with a lot of power and influence.

00:30:34.360 In the Republican Party as well.

00:30:36.120 Yeah, so, I mean, I don't know, it was like everyone saying that.

00:30:38.600 No, but the point I'm making is this was actually felt within, like, there are large, I'd say near-unanimous factions of major government security organizations who believe this.

00:30:50.360 And I think that anyone who's pretending that's not true, okay, the deep state might be a kind of in, you know, you could say it's a conspiratorial concept.

00:30:58.700 But I think anybody who actually has a lot of friends in government does know that they are predominantly Democrat-leaning, even in the intelligence services these days.

00:31:07.180 And this idea that they wouldn't, like, that this is an impossible thing to happen, I think is almost a fever dream.

00:31:15.640 Of course, of course they might think this could be a threat to our country.

00:31:19.380 Of course they might think, oh, we need to discredit this party.

00:31:22.140 Of course they may think, oh, we can use this as a honeypot to discredit people.

00:31:26.680 Right?

00:31:27.380 Yeah, it's not a crazy idea.

00:31:29.880 I mean, I think-

00:31:30.620 No, but hold on, hold on.

00:31:31.880 I'm not done.

00:31:32.380 I'm not done.

00:31:33.880 So what I was going to say is, okay, but let's say realistically, how could people come to this?

00:31:37.640 Suppose they're not, like, not realistically, but, like, how could people come to this if this wasn't a plant job?

00:31:43.440 Like, this insane ideology, right?

00:31:45.300 Okay.

00:31:45.980 Because you here were telling me, you know, Tradcast is trending these days, et cetera.

00:31:49.740 What's actually going on here?

00:31:51.540 Yeah.

00:31:52.500 So what I think is actually going on here is there might be a small portion of people out there. 0.97

00:31:59.420 Because I think this is how these plant jobs often work, is they wait for some idiot individual to come to this ideology on their own. 0.65

00:32:06.740 And then they'll manipulate algorithms or stuff to promote that individual to make them seem like they're a bigger deal or have a bigger audience than they actually have. 0.96

00:32:14.880 So there's these, so an individual is out there and he just has a very hierarchical mindset.

00:32:22.780 A very sort of, like, everything must be hierarchical.

00:32:25.820 Everything must go back to the origin.

00:32:27.480 I'm going to be as traditionalist as possible.

00:32:30.620 Okay.

00:32:30.820 And so they accept the aesthetic of traditionalism that has been taught to them by progressive culture, right?

00:32:37.540 Yeah.

00:32:37.740 So they ask themselves, what are the way that people used to be?

00:32:40.960 Oh, they used to be racist.

00:32:42.080 Oh, what are the way people used to treat women? 0.95

00:32:43.540 Oh, they used to be, you know, misogynist.

00:32:45.580 Oh, what was the oldest iteration of Christianity?

00:32:48.360 Oh, it's Catholicism. 0.82

00:32:49.780 But here's the thing.

00:32:51.660 They were actually an intellectual.

00:32:52.540 I think very few, okay, so again, I know we have a lot of Catholic viewers here and I say very positive things about Catholicism.

00:32:59.620 However, I think from an outsider's perspective and from every Christian tradition's perspective, they're the original iteration of that Christian tradition.

00:33:06.460 From an outsider's perspective, Catholicism is not the oldest iteration of Christianity.

00:33:14.220 Orthodoxy has a slightly better claim to that, although I can see how the claim could go either way.

00:33:19.380 For people who aren't really familiar with what happened, originally Christianity, and you can see this from the early, you know, Christian letters,

00:33:25.520 and mostly due to how hard it was to communicate, and Christianity was just like this group that was just trying to do anything to convert people in the early days.

00:33:33.240 It was run by, essentially, you would have a collection of cities, and then within each city, you would have a sort of a local patriarch,

00:33:41.040 like a person who was known as like the most important Christian in the city.

00:33:43.660 It's actually very similar to modern Judaism, but a bit more hierarchical.

00:33:49.260 And then, and of course it would be similar, it came out of Judaism, right?

00:33:52.280 And then, after Constantine and Rome was made the official head of Christianity, because the Roman Empire became officially Christian, right?

00:34:00.600 And so, the Roman patriarch became much more important than the other patriarchs.

00:34:06.320 Then you had the division of Rome between the East and the West, and obviously that began to build tensions,

00:34:12.880 because for a long time, there was a reason for the Roman patriarch to be the patriarch in charge, right?

00:34:18.100 But after a while, this began to get on other patriarchs' herbs, especially the other really important patriarchs,

00:34:23.920 which was the Byzantine patriarchs, because they were the other capital of this major Christian empire.

00:34:28.800 And these two people got in ahead.

00:34:30.740 It was over really silly stuff, like whether or not it was acceptable to use unleavened bread in the sacrament of communion,

00:34:39.400 and things like the explicit wording of the Nicene Creed.

00:34:43.040 So, really, like, detailed, nuanced stuff.

00:34:46.220 It wasn't really over a matter of faith.

00:34:49.240 It was over a personality conflict.

00:34:51.980 And the Orthodox group, you know, it's not saying that they weren't at fault for this personality conflict, 1.00

00:34:56.960 but they said, okay, well, let's go back to this system where it's a council of sort of equal patriarchs.

00:35:02.500 And the Roman group said, no, let's keep this hierarchical system.

00:35:06.500 But what that means, very interestingly, is that Catholicism has always been unusually hierarchical in its power structures.

00:35:12.120 And so, if you have an individual, and this is actually something that was a problem for,

00:35:18.320 so Simone has a lot of friends who are nuns, and you were talking to one, and they were talking,

00:35:21.780 can you tell that story about this, having to screen people?

00:35:25.300 Oh, yeah.

00:35:25.980 No, we, a good family friend is a Carmelite nun.

00:35:29.760 And now she's, like, a mother, like, she's head of the order.

00:35:33.620 And she spoke to us about how they really need to screen novices who want to join the order,

00:35:39.320 because many of them are just joining because of mental health problems,

00:35:42.360 not because they're really dedicated to that particular order.

00:35:46.240 More specifically, they wanted a very structured life.

00:35:48.680 Well, yeah.

00:35:49.460 And this is, I mean, Carmelite nuns live a uniquely structured life.

00:35:52.960 But so, what I'm saying is, as a religious unit, it's very appealing to people who crave sort of structure.

00:36:00.460 And that's what I mean by hierarchy.

00:36:01.780 I want a structured world order.

00:36:04.720 And so, if you get some sort of pseudo-educated individual who intensely craves structure and traditionalism,

00:36:11.960 and isn't more, like, broadly educated on what Catholicism actually means,

00:36:17.880 which is, again, I've said before, more than anything else, Catholicism as a system is defined by inclusivity.

00:36:26.860 And they just wouldn't get that, because they're not culturally Catholic.

00:36:30.820 And so, they come at this tradition thinking of it more, okay, I'm this new sort of version of a neo-Nazi.

00:36:37.940 What is the most hierarchical and structured system I can choose,

00:36:40.880 without understanding the heart behind this older tradition?

00:36:45.200 And so, that's the way I can see it happening.

00:36:47.800 But I want to give these people more credit than that.

00:36:49.620 And so, I'm going to say that there are CIA plans.

00:36:52.480 Well, so, I would argue, though, that maybe this is just kind of a market forces thing.

00:36:57.420 Like, we found personally that when, frankly, inaccurate caricatures of us end up in the media,

00:37:03.720 we get a lot more attention and growth.

00:37:06.400 And so, it could be that, to your point earlier about, like, young, educated college students

00:37:11.420 just kind of want to be a major conservative figure.

00:37:13.920 It's like an audience capture thing where they just keep leaning in to this caricature

00:37:19.120 because it causes the most controversy and hate.

00:37:21.700 And hate is what draws the most attention.

00:37:24.220 So, of course, it would be the racism that comes out.

00:37:26.680 It would be the bigotry and the misogyny that comes out

00:37:29.880 because that drives more shares and that ultimately drives more followers.

00:37:35.060 Yeah.

00:37:35.620 No, I think you might be right.

00:37:37.640 And so, they may just be about capturing public mindset

00:37:40.060 instead of capturing, you know, legitimate followers.

00:37:43.160 Yeah, like, nuanced views that most reasonable people hold,

00:37:48.460 while that resonates with people, it's not something that drives clicks and shares,

00:37:54.020 whereas the really racist, misogynist, crazy, whatever views totally do.

00:37:58.780 So, here's where it gets really interesting. 0.80

00:38:00.320 So, I'm going to go on another tangent here because we do have a lot of, you know, Black friends.

00:38:04.020 Actually, something I wanted to mention because we were talking about the Black friends things

00:38:07.380 where, you know, conservatives have more Black friends than progressives.

00:38:10.480 This is why progressives have to constantly parrot having Black friends. 1.00

00:38:14.220 Does it make you not racist?

00:38:15.760 Because they don't actually-

00:38:16.440 Yeah, that's like a big point, like, that Robin DiAngelo makes.

00:38:18.720 Saying you have a Black friend or that your best friend is Black is, like, a super racist thing to do.

00:38:23.260 And that's-

00:38:23.580 Oh, of course.

00:38:24.180 ...do that.

00:38:24.740 Because so many Democrats don't actually have any Black friends or know any Black people.

00:38:29.400 And it was a great thing where they were calling somebody racist for saying,

00:38:32.400 my wife and kids are Black.

00:38:34.300 You know, like-

00:38:34.720 Yeah, that frequently happens.

00:38:35.900 I married a Black woman.

00:38:37.140 I have Black children.

00:38:38.640 Obviously, I'm not racist.

00:38:39.740 And they're like, that's the most racist thing you could say.

00:38:41.820 And the reason they need to say this is because they need to control what the word racism means

00:38:46.720 to not meaning I don't negatively judge Black people. 1.00

00:38:49.940 I mean, obviously, if you have a Black wife and kids, you don't negatively judge Black people.

00:38:55.720 But to meaning, I agree with your ideology. 0.95

00:39:00.300 I am a slave to your ideological group.

00:39:03.160 And so the only way you can get categorized as not racist is being a slave to this ideological group.

00:39:09.500 But here I'm going to get into something that's-

00:39:12.180 Actually, we'll save it for another video.

00:39:14.120 This video was really interesting.

00:39:15.480 Have I convinced you, you know, you who grew up in progressive sphere,

00:39:18.720 that it was always sort of a lie that the conservative base was racist or more racist than the Democratic base.

00:39:26.680 And that this is just sort of a narrative Democrats tell themselves to justify their othering and dehumanizing of the rural poor, really.

00:39:37.420 Yeah, I guess after having met you and moving out of the Bay Area,

00:39:41.000 I do definitely feel like we've met a ton more conservatives and they are-

00:39:49.000 So it really depends on how racism is defined, of course.

00:39:52.740 But I think functionally, when it comes to befriending, working with, respecting, you know, etc.

00:39:58.640 People of different racial backgrounds, conservatives are less racist.

00:40:03.000 100%.

00:40:05.000 Like they seem, but I think many progressives would be like, but how dare you?

00:40:11.000 Because they'll tell racist jokes and they will acknowledge differences between groups.

00:40:14.960 And that is like the core of racism.

00:40:17.360 So I think it's really the difference between performative anti-racism or, you know, performative non-racism

00:40:23.900 versus like genuine demonstrated lack of racism.

00:40:27.960 Like obviously progressives win when it comes to performative anti-racism.

00:40:31.960 You know, they're like so careful about what they say.

00:40:33.980 No politically incorrect jokes.

00:40:35.640 There are zero differences between racial groups.

00:40:37.780 And then you have this other group that's actually like, they have a diverse friend group.

00:40:41.440 They actually employ and work with and vote for a diverse range of people.

00:40:45.820 But they will make racist jokes.

00:40:47.240 You know, we have to admit also like among the conservatives we know who make the most racist jokes,

00:40:53.020 they were definitely not white.

00:40:54.420 So.

00:40:54.700 Yeah, no, it's just funny.

00:40:55.920 You actually say this, one of my favorite jokes.

00:40:58.060 And I know I'm probably going to get in trouble one day for saying those jokes, but it was,

00:41:01.260 it was about me.

00:41:02.300 So I had a friend and they'd come to a number of events that we've hosted and they were like,

00:41:08.000 Malcolm, why do you have so few white friends?

00:41:11.560 And one of my friends was like, oh, he's way too racist to have white friends.

00:41:18.780 I thought that was really funny because I know because there's this acceptance

00:41:22.460 within, I think, you know, genuinely multi-ethnic communities that, yeah, we are different

00:41:28.000 and we talk about it and it's fun and it's interesting to explore the ways that we're

00:41:31.620 different and progressives call that racism.

00:41:34.960 Yeah.

00:41:35.320 Being like, oh, you people do this.

00:41:37.500 Why do you do things this way?

00:41:38.940 We do things this way.

00:41:40.480 That's really interesting.

00:41:41.740 And that's sort of the whole point of this channel and stuff like that.

00:41:43.980 So that's what they meant by that.

00:41:44.900 Not like I have negative views, but that I, I, I do see race.

00:41:49.080 I thought that was really funny because it's, it's, you know, we have in our episode about

00:41:51.960 comedy.

00:41:52.340 What is comedy?

00:41:53.080 It's surprising, but it's true in context.

00:41:56.760 Yeah.

00:41:56.940 I could see how that might scare away white people from being his friends, but not, you 0.96

00:42:01.140 know, a multi-ethnic group.

00:42:02.960 Yeah.

00:42:05.240 That's really interesting.

00:42:06.500 Yeah.

00:42:06.960 Very interesting.

00:42:08.360 And yeah.

00:42:08.780 And I, I actually think that, that progressives would become less of an insane party if they 0.67

00:42:13.680 actually went out there and did realize that, yeah, not having any black friends probably 0.70

00:42:17.820 does make you racist and yet you should go out and, and meet, not like, you know, your

00:42:23.520 other rich is similar socioeconomic group, similar cultural group, black people, but like

00:42:30.040 actual black communities.

00:42:31.420 And you might learn that they're very different than you think.

00:42:34.740 I think the number one, the number one driver, the number one driver of racism is isolationism.

00:42:40.660 If you are not exposed to other people, if you're not living with them, befriending with

00:42:43.960 them, like watching their content, like working with them, whatever, right.

00:42:47.080 If you're not exposed, you're going to be kind of afraid because they're an unknown

00:42:50.260 quantity and you don't really have a lot of good information to run on.

00:42:53.320 And if you can't predict someone or a group, you cannot trust them.

00:42:56.880 Just period.

00:42:57.560 If you can't model something, you're going to be nervous because you can't trust it

00:43:00.300 like positively or negatively.

00:43:01.680 I mean, this is something that we see.

00:43:02.880 I mean, I'd say that the things that progressives would be most surprised about if they actually

00:43:06.480 engaged with other ethnic and cultural groups is one, how much the Hispanics hate 1.00

00:43:12.000 wokeism, um, they, they do not like you guys, um, broadly Hispanic, they might think that

00:43:18.900 you are useful politically in the short term, but broadly you are not a long-term ally to

00:43:23.360 these communities and, and how anti-Semitic black communities are, um, but that is a different

00:43:29.660 video just so people know that I'm not like making up something here.

00:43:33.480 And the 1970s, there was a poll where 73% of blacks in their twenties were high in the

00:43:38.920 index of anti-Semitism, 42% of blacks, this is 1984 versus 20% of whites agrees that Jews

00:43:44.660 have too much power in the United States.

00:43:46.720 In 2021, 42% of black liberals versus 15% of white liberals endorsed anti-Semitic views.

00:43:54.040 And I, and this is one of those things where they see Kanye come out and they're like, where

00:43:56.920 did this come from?

00:43:57.780 This is wild.

00:43:59.340 And it's like, these views are not that unusual.

00:44:01.620 If you actually went out there and engaged with these communities instead of just viewed

00:44:06.740 them through your stereotypical lens of who they are, they actually have very nuanced

00:44:11.680 views of the world.

00:44:12.820 And, and some of them might be justified, you know, based on history.

00:44:16.560 I'm not saying that anti-Semitism is justified, but within the black community, like we can

00:44:21.000 explain where it comes from.

00:44:22.000 It's very interesting, but a different video.

00:44:25.040 Yeah.

00:44:25.720 Interesting stuff.

00:44:26.480 I love you, Simone.

00:44:27.240 And I love that you're able to dig into these concepts and I'm able to even shock you

00:44:31.460 still by shaking some of these stereotypes that you grew up with.

00:44:34.360 Yeah, man, every day coming out with new surprises for me.

00:44:38.160 I love it.

00:44:38.860 I love it.

00:44:39.580 Yeah.

00:44:39.920 Can't wait to our next conversation.

00:44:42.720 Love you.

Based Camp - September 04, 2023

You Have Been Lied To! The Democratic and Republican Base are Equally Racist

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