Blood Satellite - 6 Million D Chess is Priced In to Joevernomics

00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.720 blood satellite so what's going on oh well it's wednesday and it's not it's not even that cool

00:00:24.960 don't tell them what day it is i don't need them to know when we're recording oh shoot okay you

00:00:28.780 can edit it out you can sense i don't need them to know my moves it's october 2024 i don't want

00:00:37.460 i don't i don't want the streets knowing what i'm up to by the way everyone i mentioned this

00:00:44.120 on the last real secret coffee hours message received i'm no longer crowding the mic there

00:00:51.160 was a lot of vocalization concerning the last live stream we did uh accusations of wet mouth

00:00:59.960 tony soprano breathing all kinds of nasty things wicked that's not good um i'm not going to sit

00:01:08.760 here and justify myself to you jackals you're leaning leaning back in the in the chair staring 0.88

00:01:15.880 at milfy's knees breathing through your mouth just heaving as i'm driving see what i was always

00:01:25.680 trying to do is judas always leans way back from the mic yeah far too relaxed during the episode

00:01:32.860 he's kicking back and so i try and show him how it's done very passive aggressively you understand

00:01:37.860 yeah so i'm gonna show i'm gonna show him how an audio is supposed to because i can't i can't hear

00:01:43.000 myself so for all i know yes a few points here he can't hear himself um he can't hear the

00:01:50.140 difference between either of us and he does not listen to the show afterward and by that point

00:01:54.120 it's corrected by me laboriously so this was just uh whenever you got it it's called the horseshoe 0.70

00:02:02.520 theory of passive aggressiveness where it just fucking loops right around and knocks all of my

00:02:06.960 own teeth out perfect so that's a great start to the episode here's another great start hey

00:02:13.200 the jelk store called and uh that's uh that's it's where where you hang out outstanding

00:02:20.600 i left my card there but i didn't think they'd actually call me i'd left my wallet at the jelk

00:02:27.280 store like you lost it no no i left it there like i thought they could hold on hold on asking a

00:02:33.220 sort of hold on your wall for you is such a good

00:02:35.140 bit.

00:02:37.960 Hey, can you hold on to this

00:02:39.140 cash? This cold hard cash

00:02:41.320 for me.

00:02:42.980 Thank you, Mr. Rabinowitz

00:02:45.000 of the Jelk store.

00:02:48.880 Of course. The only good

00:02:50.880 franchise in town, by the way.

00:02:52.980 There's a few Jelk stores and there's one good one.

00:02:55.740 The rest of them are losing

00:02:57.040 their shirt. One of them is actually just

00:02:59.100 shawarma. That's just

00:03:00.760 branded. They're branded as a Jelk

00:03:03.160 store it's a j-e-l-k store like just it's this is a fucking chinese ash warmer place 0.99

00:03:09.960 what the hell that reminds me this is such a dumb story but this was a long time ago 0.98

00:03:18.600 and it was me and snipe and we were in montreal and we went to an arab pizza place gross like 0.98

00:03:27.820 such a travesty.

00:03:31.460 Such a travesty

00:03:32.780 in front of God and everybody.

00:03:35.080 And they served us

00:03:36.580 like dog food pizza.

00:03:39.560 Here's the problem

00:03:40.500 with going to any Arab place.

00:03:42.220 They serve you with scorn.

00:03:44.260 You know what I mean? They're very upset

00:03:46.340 that you're there. They have nothing but disdain

00:03:48.500 for the customer. I think some people

00:03:50.400 think that's charming.

00:03:52.100 I think some people think that's anti-capitalist. 1.00

00:03:54.220 They say, yeah, fuck me for buying this. 0.96

00:03:55.880 i think they think that it's charming or they must i mean i i and it's it's not even just 0.99

00:04:01.640 in retail i've worked with guys arab guys who are like that and that's just what they're like

00:04:07.600 and it's like do you think you're you're you're five foot six and you're built like a rake do

00:04:12.280 you think that it's cool that you're just constantly bitter and angry and like grumbling 0.99

00:04:15.940 under your breath like nobody likes you man you're i fucking hate these people it's it's so funny 0.98

00:04:21.540 that you always hear about these types of people where it's like if you're their employee they 0.99

00:04:26.200 treat you like a slave because that's how they understand their culture yeah but what they don't

00:04:30.980 tell you is they also treat the customer like a slave and their boss like a slave and they just

00:04:36.580 treat everyone like slaves which is a great thing to do if you don't have slaves and you don't know

00:04:43.160 how to control slaves yeah it's like you can't just treat people like slaves if you have no

00:04:49.020 experience in it yeah i'd be such a good slave owner yeah you'd be the best man i feel like we

00:04:54.200 had this conversation seven times over the course at least at least once a year usually around

00:04:58.380 christmas once once a year around christmas we're talking about how great we would be at owning

00:05:04.120 slaves assuming that we would have a plantation of many slaves and not just a guy with a few

00:05:11.600 you know what if i had slaves i wouldn't call them hubby you wouldn't no that's just

00:05:18.660 who does that help it's demeaning it it breaks the relationship in some way so what what do we

00:05:26.160 what is this you know the arab guys they call everybody habibi oh they do yeah okay i don't

00:05:33.440 know that i don't know them that well you don't know is that like baby i don't know what it's i 0.99

00:05:38.640 can't tell it's like it's somewhere between baby if it's a woman and like a little bitch if it's 0.71

00:05:44.160 to a guy but i don't know i'm not eric all i know yeah let's yeah yeah yeah yeah that's what it is 0.98

00:05:50.040 it's bubby it's that's you know what it's probably the same fucking word is everything okay with you 0.74

00:05:53.360 bubby yeah yeah there it is it's like uh it's demeaning i hate it yeah what would our version 0.96

00:05:59.300 of that be buddy yeah you know what i think it's like buddy because you know buddy can be anything

00:06:05.300 depending on the way that you say it and like what you do with your face and your hands when you say 0.98

00:06:09.060 it it can be really insulting it's the fucking thing these are all kind of the same type of 0.99

00:06:14.020 word buddy bb habibi yeah yeah i don't like this yeah are we arab now i don't like this 0.98

00:06:21.560 this is how we get back to talking about atlantis is that we're talking about civilization seeded by

00:06:27.600 you know like one race so we got some other updates from the chat i don't know how we got

00:06:35.180 here but i just want to read it as is let's go i'm giving it to your raw so i think this was

00:06:39.780 involving ted lefaro he posited i said let us pray it's lettuce pray right right and then what

00:06:48.220 if instead of let us pray they said lettuce hitler he said that'd be wild thanks thanks ted

00:06:57.480 and then from there we went to romaine catholic yes and then everyone's fired on all cylinders

00:07:06.700 right now we've got a crack team in the chat i forget who came up with it might have been 0.81

00:07:11.180 ted might have someone else and said i'm more of a rape romano catholic the died version of rape romano 0.97

00:07:25.180 oh hail mary full of grace my lettuce is wilted i can't rape 0.98

00:07:36.700 oh man i love this show i'm never gonna stop doing this i'm never gonna stop being me

00:07:44.040 i was there for that one that was great that was the dad of the night

00:07:46.840 did you do the wojack test i did do the wojack test yeah i think you posted that people don't

00:07:54.460 know because we're grown men entrepreneurs family owners things and we're still doing

00:08:03.360 these tests that you do in high school that women would do in high school yeah so you fill out answer

00:08:08.940 questions it gives you your personality so there's one for wojack what type of wojack are you and

00:08:15.220 there's wojack the yes chad head soy jack doomer girl psycho npc those are two separate ones trad

00:08:24.920 wife and then chud jack yeah there's way more out there and i don't know why he threw in the

00:08:30.520 women there but that would just confuse everything i would yeah but so okay what was your do you

00:08:37.860 remember your results let's say like the two primary ones yeah i found mine i'm on 96 chud

00:08:44.100 jack and 85 yes chad and 65 psycho that's wild but i'm also if i'm also 57 doomer girl which i'm

00:08:53.940 not very happy about it but no one is zero percent the girl everybody's got a little bit of that 0.92

00:09:00.740 bitch every yeah which is which is what women have been saying a lot on social media men have 0.97

00:09:06.960 the divine feminine within them but to be equal parts trad wife and doomer girl i don't know what 0.99

00:09:14.320 to make of that yeah that's what i i realize that i'm the same triad i'm like chud chud jack

00:09:22.840 psych 100 chud jack by the way nice 100 chud jack 71 psycho there you go and then 50 yes chad

00:09:34.600 so a little little bit heavier on psycho heavier psycho and just all out chud jack and what i

00:09:42.560 noticed was everyone in our community was taking the same test and we are all the exact same type 0.51

00:09:47.600 of guy yes yeah everybody in there is chud jack and then either a little bit of psycho or a little 0.98

00:09:52.340 bit of yes chad it's like chud jack psycho that's like fucking every like 10 guys i saw take this 0.95

00:09:57.940 test like this is great i don't know what this is but i love it i don't think it was a very robust

00:10:05.580 test though there were some questions on there i can't imagine anyone answering i think one of the

00:10:11.340 one of the questions was like i i find sitting down with a good soap opera or daytime television

00:10:19.300 to be a really good use of my time it's almost phrased sarcastically it's like strongly agree 0.96

00:10:24.780 strongly disagree like come on come on with these fucking questions man well the hard part is the 0.97

00:10:30.060 one that's obviously for a woman it's like i love going to the farmer's market on sunday 0.99

00:10:35.600 i understand that's a woman question i also like doing that i think i also said yes yeah

00:10:41.080 i won't turn that down that's not getting two thumbs up that's it's not getting the gray

00:10:46.140 middle thumb one of them was i need a strong partner to provide for me

00:10:51.740 come on come on i mean first of all i don't need it but if my wife was a billionaire like 0.85

00:11:00.560 would i be like divorced i don't think i would that might be nice right if your wife was a jacked

00:11:06.860 billionaire if my wife was a jacked like seven foot billionaire but everything else is the same

00:11:12.900 and and and she was that tomorrow not that she was that the whole time i woke up and she was that

00:11:19.800 i'd be like you know what we built something together here and i think if you just shower

00:11:24.680 a billion dollars on top of it that's that would make it better yeah all right because if she's

00:11:30.520 also jack she's probably high in testosterone she's gonna make her insane and that will that's

00:11:35.120 a good way to be with a billion dollars yeah you don't want to be normal on a billion if i can get 0.99

00:11:42.280 her on cocaine we're doing so much cool shit unstoppable we're buying fucking sea dudes just 0.99

00:11:49.300 to smash them with hammers they never even dig them in the water you just gotta smash them in 0.99

00:11:54.480 the garage all right here's so fun i read the news of many people have read that elon musk who

00:12:02.940 has been the richest man in the world for quite some time now is now according to i don't know

00:12:10.080 people people on a keyboard that he is the richest man in human history

00:12:14.700 something to the tune of 600 billion dollars um i i don't know how you would calculate that

00:12:21.740 you don't back to mesopotamia i don't know how you calculate that to like the king dynasty or

00:12:27.440 whatever but i keep that in mind every time i see him on x and he's resharing a post someone says

00:12:35.040 which can be summarized as uh they're they're murdering white people and they're laughing at it

00:12:41.040 and he would just write wow and look i'm not looking for handouts i'm just thinking if you

00:12:47.920 if your net worth is 600 billion dollars you must have some liquidity that's pretty impressive

00:12:55.600 can you just put a few million behind stopping every time you say wow every time you say someone

00:13:04.240 should do something what if he just threw some pocket change at him that pocket change is 10

00:13:11.320 million dollars i find a guy find a guy to make that make sense for you i mean i agree i do agree

00:13:17.580 but at the same time i sound naive of course because a small amount of his wealth is liquid

00:13:22.500 the rest of it that's not liquid the the value of that is effective day by day by the decisions that 0.97

00:13:29.020 he makes with the liquid portion so if he goes out and does some shit like this you gotta know 0.92

00:13:33.820 that tesla and everything else might not tank but it'll affect i think it'll affect it i just don't 0.58

00:13:39.740 think it'll affect it negatively i think like when he's when he's i agree i agree i think if he's

00:13:45.660 already kind of testing the waters and i'm taking this seriously now if you if you went out and he

00:13:50.460 started like trying to solve like white families and he made it about white families but but it

00:13:57.020 was actually about families it wasn't about like kick the browns out it was about like i'm going

00:14:01.100 going to help white families i think he would he'd be a trillionaire i think that it would actually

00:14:07.140 boost him because by him going out and speaking on these issues as he is even passively if that

00:14:14.940 does not negatively affect the stock price because for many ceos it would if the ceo of ge went out

00:14:22.260 and said this yeah it would fluctuate the price people are kind of used to it now and i think it's

00:14:25.580 pretty steady over time regardless of what he says that that's almost him testing to see if

00:14:31.660 he could just allocate some money to being like oh hey i read that popular article about how dei

00:14:39.580 was stripping white men away from positions of power let i'm gonna try and reverse that you know

00:14:45.980 what that might that might actually help his position in stock we're not even thinking about

00:14:49.900 the real the real gotcha here soros and the adelson's and all these like they know very well

00:14:56.380 how easy it is when you're that wealthy to you have public donations that are made publicly

00:15:01.340 because you want to reap the the public you know the the social benefits of that donation and then

00:15:07.580 you have the other 99 of it which is done through you know shell companies and uh non-profits and

00:15:13.260 ngos and whatever else there's no reason he couldn't be doing that and he probably is doing

00:15:17.100 that right it's just that and now i have to assume the fact that he's almost certainly doing that

00:15:22.220 because they are all doing it he's almost certainly doing it but we don't know what he's doing it we

00:15:26.700 just know that he's not doing it for us which means he's doing it for somebody else but not us

00:15:31.660 so you know this this ties into something i was discussing on the last real secret copy hours

00:15:37.740 which is our paywall show you can find on gumroad and patreon people check that out i was reviewing

00:15:44.140 a sub stack by this guy that we actually both met i think i always get his name wrong it's like ajr

00:15:50.220 clop or yeah um anyway he writes this really great sub stack very successful guy he's a business

00:15:58.220 owner he's got like four degrees or whatever uh great guy to talk to he was at the last event that

00:16:04.380 we held and um he was the title was where all the right-wing billionaires i'm paraphrasing the title

00:16:11.660 here and uh like i've done in the past i just i keep going back to that data republican

00:16:18.140 graph that we were reviewing which was tracking how all these ngos and non-profits and

00:16:25.020 you know government organizations even how many where the money flows into them how much

00:16:29.740 taxpayer money flows into them and a lot of people were using that to see how many of these shady

00:16:35.500 groups are taxpayer funded but i'm less interested in that because you can also track just how

00:16:40.940 generally money flows right so that's how a lot of this happens because you're wondering where

00:16:46.620 the right-wing billionaires where's our george soros well our george soros i'm sad to say

00:16:53.420 is peter thiel right he basically functions the same way right he's very public figure everyone

00:17:00.140 knows that he's throwing money around in these grooves and that's what he's there for but that's

00:17:04.220 not most of the money and he made a good point in the article by saying that you know we have

00:17:08.460 a couple billionaires in our space and they've invested in magazines and websites but it's only

00:17:13.820 to the tune of like a couple hundred thousand here or there and so i said yeah well that's

00:17:18.860 the thing all any individual is ever going to give you is like a hundred thousand dollars which

00:17:24.460 sounds like a lot of course but over the course of how long right but you're you're you're imagining

00:17:30.220 that the relationship is just one-to-one that they're i'm going to find a billionaire he's

00:17:34.300 going to pay me but if you look at the entire ecosystem as it exists you have the billionaires

00:17:40.300 or the multi-millionaires and what they all do and this this is how it works for the left this

00:17:45.580 is how it works for liberals is they put all their money into one big pot like an investment fund and

00:17:50.860 then whoever's in charge of that investment fund sends it to three other organizations those two

00:17:55.100 other organs three to two other organizations send it to two more and then it goes to antifa

00:17:59.820 uh you called it a shell game that is basically what it is but at the end of this you really only

00:18:05.840 have four or five people involved in this entire thing but it's just moving money from one black

00:18:12.000 box to another black box and you can pool the money from i called them yellowstone conservatives

00:18:18.940 versus you know like your average shit lib you know who ends up funding leftist causes but they

00:18:26.400 know it what they're doing is they're putting a charitable donation into a place that is for 0.94

00:18:32.880 social good that's basically how they understand it they might even understand it goes to leftist

00:18:38.080 or progressive stuff they don't know much more than that you know more than that but that's how

00:18:43.840 the money combines into one giant blob and then gets sliced up and distributed for plausible

00:18:51.440 deniability in one sense but it's also to diversify your portfolio you know i mean like

00:18:56.880 but if you want to look at how to get money you have to figure out how to infiltrate or harness

00:19:02.080 that ecosystem it's less about just finding a rich guy to invest in you because it's probably

00:19:09.440 not going to be that much and you really need to like imagine i imagine pitching your thing to just

00:19:15.600 a guy they want to know a very strong roi right whereas if it's just these funds given other funds

00:19:22.640 you can just run some and get money you know what i mean uh which is what they do and then it

00:19:27.840 goes to antifa then it goes to you know the american communist party whatever the it is

00:19:34.320 so you could do that but it involves people doing things they don't want to do which is

00:19:39.440 is figuring out how to set up these organizations

00:19:42.100 and then figuring out getting good at handling money,

00:19:46.180 which no one wants to do.

00:19:47.400 Yeah.

00:19:47.980 There's a bit of a, there's that,

00:19:49.280 I don't know, I forget what you call it,

00:19:50.340 but like the nature of our elites,

00:19:52.740 like the sorts of people to whom setting up

00:19:56.520 like a shell game of nonprofits and NGOs

00:19:59.740 is second nature, right?

00:20:01.200 And it's not us.

00:20:02.200 It's the people that have been in that class

00:20:04.840 for their whole lives,

00:20:05.960 or maybe multiple generations, right?

00:20:08.200 like the people who work for an ngo and their mom worked for an ngo these guys they not only do they

00:20:13.760 know how to set this up but they they swim in this every day for us it's not only do we seem to 0.77

00:20:20.560 largely have a moral problem with it because it's so fucking dishonest but uh we just don't even

00:20:26.100 understand it like you're trying to put the pieces together in your head how does this even work does 0.94

00:20:30.540 that even work i'm told that it works i can't i can rotate a shape in my head but i can't actually

00:20:36.720 map how you would do that and not go to prison but somebody knows how to do it yeah i mean none

00:20:43.360 of it's illegal either like all of this is well it's illegal if you fuck it up it's illegal if

00:20:48.360 you do it wrong you know there's a lot of like you're really honestly you're really threading

00:20:52.940 the needle because with with non-profits and ngos you do have mandates that you have to follow right

00:20:57.500 unless i'm misunderstanding that but you can't actually just take people's money and do whatever 0.83

00:21:01.720 fuck you want you can't literally fund violent crime which is what soros does when he funds 0.87

00:21:06.760 antifa you're paying people to go and burn a police station the way it would work i understand 1.00

00:21:11.720 is to get people's money and they give it to one charitable fund that you know supports progressive

00:21:16.760 causes then they give it to the second fund which is a bit narrower in that it's for direct political

00:21:23.240 action which is still legal but it would be like we we do postering and flyer campaigns and just

00:21:31.320 Just, you know, things in the street, which, you know, people still think is kind of cool.

00:21:35.380 Then they give the money to another one, which is hooked into Antifa.

00:21:39.100 And then, or they would give it to Antifa.

00:21:43.360 They did this thing where they have these, because there are lawyers who are associated with Antifa.

00:21:47.720 There's actual professionals.

00:21:48.920 They will start their own collective, which is just a front.

00:21:53.140 And they give it to Antifa.

00:21:54.780 So at some point, you do have one place that's just a front.

00:21:57.700 but then they can once it gets there it's already changed hands enough times that

00:22:02.740 you could really only at the end of it get anti-fun treble or they're the the actual front

00:22:08.660 which has happened yeah but that's you know it's it's convoluted it's annoying and it involves

00:22:16.140 doing what no one wants to do which is sending a lot of emails and going to parties and going

00:22:21.760 to functions and conventions i hate functions so much and and networking no one likes networking

00:22:27.120 and then just being in the room with people and it's you know every so often you know i used to

00:22:34.320 do this more when i was younger and i don't do it now because i'm just set my ways but you would

00:22:39.200 you'd see you'd hear a story about someone who made a million dollars or you'd i you know i do

00:22:44.140 a lot of writing and so you'd hear about such and such a writer they made a million dollars and all 0.99

00:22:49.800 they produce is smut slop right it's those romance books that you turn out like the dumbest nonsense 0.98

00:22:56.820 you've ever heard um the one we had on our channel the other day it was like 1.00

00:23:02.160 the fucking hood rich bbw velociraptor 0.91

00:23:07.200 like you see that image and then you think it's a parody but then this book exists 0.99

00:23:13.420 a black guy written by a dude yeah yeah i i can't even imagine that that book would

00:23:19.120 be readable but apparently apparently doesn't anyway they would say that i'm like man i should

00:23:24.160 do that i should be the guy who invented the pet rock i should be the guy invented sea monkeys

00:23:29.740 but then you remember that none of these are passive pursuits you need to commit 100 of your 0.99

00:23:37.060 time to doing this this guy's got to churn out these books all the time that's his fucking job 0.86

00:23:42.000 you know he doesn't get an ai to do it and if you start i'm gonna start a company selling some 0.99

00:23:47.120 bullshit starting a company is not easy you're still working 12 hour days getting off the ground 0.92

00:23:52.960 setting up like contracts for like oh i'm just gonna get carried on 1.00

00:23:57.780 fucking the shopping network do you know how to do that you know how fucking hard that is 0.99

00:24:02.520 you know i mean so for some easy bullshit to pull that off that's still your career that's years of 1.00

00:24:09.680 your life right so to get good at doing some bullshit we always think that's just winning 0.94

00:24:15.740 the lottery so no that's it's a lot of work and then you you wake up one day and say this is my 0.95

00:24:19.980 life this is what i've committed my life to which is it's just a scam i could have been doing

00:24:25.920 something that adds value to the world or beauty to the world and i thought because a scam is

00:24:31.760 supposed to be easy i picked it in a highly difficult time intensive scam that's what these

00:24:36.740 people do i heard the stories about um there's a there's a show called entourage right i don't

00:24:45.980 if you ever you probably i remember that i didn't watch it but i remember it there is one of the

00:24:50.620 face on a true story and one of the characters and there was a guy named turtle sort of like

00:24:55.460 the wigger of the group and uh the real life counterpart of him he it was responsible for

00:25:02.760 churning out those late career bruce willis films where he was already demented he was already 0.99

00:25:12.480 losing his mind he's very they cgi'd half the shit he was in uh they were piping his lines in 0.98

00:25:19.440 through an earpiece so he was just like repeating what he was saying like he was gone but the guy 0.99

00:25:25.620 who played turtle i forget his fucking name but he's just like this is what i'm gonna do i'm gonna 0.87

00:25:29.840 be the guy i'm gonna i'm gonna crank out these bruce willis movies i'm gonna do them on the cheap 0.97

00:25:34.540 but i'm gonna get him he's gonna make like 90 the budget's gonna go to him but i i know based

00:25:42.160 on this template of device that we can make a 20 profit on every single one if we make them cheap 0.98

00:25:48.080 enough right you look at that and say wow what a cool scheme until you realize that's his fucking 0.92

00:25:53.820 life that's in his biography that's what he spent like five to six years of his life doing 0.97

00:25:59.660 trotting out this you know alzheimer's show horse and creating movies that nobody likes

00:26:06.460 nobody's proud of everyone's pissed off making them it's a it's a shameful exercise you know

00:26:14.420 what i mean but it's just like you you read it in the story and say you know what that's a good 1.00

00:26:18.940 grift i love a good grift there's no good grift it all fucking sucks it's your fucking life it's 0.99

00:26:25.840 your career you chose this instead of plumbing have you seen go look at one all these people 1.00

00:26:31.120 he dismisses grifters realize that they're still streaming for nine hours a day i mean it's

00:26:35.120 survivorship bias right because some of the guys that we i mean a lot of the people that we point 0.98

00:26:39.080 to when we call grifter they're wealthy they're making a lot of money on their fucking grift

00:26:44.580 so there's an impression that you know it's good money but you're correct it's not most people that 0.96

00:26:51.160 are full-time grifters are like it's like most people who are full-time on only fans you're not

00:26:55.140 making any money you're ruining your life you're gonna you're gonna die young probably of suicide 0.73

00:26:58.960 because only fans is such a great comparison because it's the same thing saying like you 0.82

00:27:06.540 know what she made a million dollars just showing her butthole that's so smart i could do that oh 0.96

00:27:15.180 my god that's so smart and then you end up showing your butthole for two wooden nickels 0.98

00:27:21.680 it was worth more as a mystery 1.00

00:27:26.600 it was it was you know what you had schrodinger's ass and you could charge you could charge more 1.00

00:27:35.000 money to guess if you had an ass and then you showed it and removed all doubt should have 0.99

00:27:40.600 anti-only fans where people donate a small amount each month each each month to women they like 0.99

00:27:46.260 who don't show their butthole and reverse prostitution but it's it's not like a moralizing 0.55

00:27:52.600 thing it's you just take these posts and you rub them in the face of the only fans horse who're 1.00

00:27:57.500 only making two dollars like this bitch made 800 bucks this month from just smiling for the camera 0.93

00:28:03.320 and not showing her but i'm sorry old friend but i can forecast this getting very pear-shaped 1.00

00:28:09.720 yeah imagine you go around to whores and prostitutes and you pay them to stop being 1.00

00:28:15.380 whores pay them all the money they want take the night off fuck well what do i do say whatever you 1.00

00:28:22.700 want you know what they do they get on social media you know what they do they start a band 1.00

00:28:28.760 shit you remember the pussycat dolls that's what happens when a bunch of prostitutes get paid 1.00

00:28:35.340 not to suck dick did we actually save ourselves here by just paying all the dumb whores to suck 1.00

00:28:40.500 dick yeah yeah if we could if maybe look if we accelerate only fans can we get women out of the 1.00

00:28:46.700 workplace could we actually get rid of hr by making them all the only fans perhaps our most

00:28:52.280 controversial proposal ever on this show it's like can we get women out of the workplace by 0.94

00:28:56.760 just making them all prostitutes like we've been going the wrong way on this you're talking to a

00:29:05.280 girl in the office she's like oh my god my friend makes so much on only fans you should try it 0.98

00:29:09.260 you should quit.

00:29:10.660 You should do that.

00:29:12.600 All they've needed this entire time is for men to agree with them.

00:29:15.220 We've been fighting them the entire time.

00:29:16.980 So you're not going to be happy.

00:29:18.580 You're going to really...

00:29:19.360 No, just do it.

00:29:21.360 See what happens.

00:29:22.520 It's not going to work, but you should do it.

00:29:24.020 You should quit your job.

00:29:25.320 Hey, I'm a millennial.

00:29:26.400 We invented this thing called YOLO.

00:29:30.120 You only live once. 1.00

00:29:31.240 So that just means, yeah, go be a whore forever. 1.00

00:29:35.680 It's not hard to trick a woman. 1.00

00:29:38.040 What should I do? 1.00

00:29:39.060 you should be a prostitute really yeah okay woman moment we got a lot of shootings to discuss nice 0.99

00:29:51.540 gotta bring it down i got a couple um one i think i've gotten into more than a few debates about 0.99

00:30:01.780 yeah with friends and colleagues other content creators and i didn't think i would i've been

00:30:08.260 i'm getting into arguments with people from around the world what what is this so it's the um hey

00:30:13.860 remember when the shooting in bondi yep bondi yeah i don't know um this would have happened

00:30:21.540 days ago right so australian i'm looking at the cbc right now just to refresh people's memories

00:30:28.900 15 people were killed in the beachside massacre dozens more were injured including some critically

00:30:35.460 an atrocity jewish leaders say was inevitable he's been talking very loudly and very clearly

00:30:41.060 this entire year for anyone who could listen that what started off with graffiti is going

00:30:45.460 to end up with bodies and it's exactly what's happened australian police suspect father and son

00:30:51.140 behind deadly mass shooting at hanukkah event here's what sounds like uh father and son which

00:30:59.380 i don't think we've seen since the dc sniper that's what i was gonna say it's like the dc

00:31:04.020 sniper yeah i think that that wasn't like a type of spree killer that you'd seen before i feel like

00:31:12.180 we just had lone wolf for a long time and then father and son which is charming yeah right like

00:31:21.660 that is kind of oh well yeah like you know just seeing a dad if you humanize them i got i humanized

00:31:29.920 the dc sniper a little bit just because it was kind of it was kind of cool honestly the way

00:31:33.880 what does it say that it's only the non-whites that do the father-son thing

00:31:37.580 um yeah we have a problem the real problem the real problem with the bondi the shooting is that 0.98

00:31:47.680 whites no longer have the family structure to take their sons on a killing spree they wants to zig

00:31:54.500 but we're gonna zag this is about pronatalism yes that's right you gotta take care of your kids 0.98

00:32:00.060 this is about busting um no but it's really i didn't notice that until we were talking about

00:32:09.080 it anyway putting that to the side uh hanukkah event that was attacked and uh of course everyone

00:32:16.220 has been inflamed by this it's very incisive right around the same time there was another

00:32:22.560 shooting two days maybe a couple days later one day later there's a shooting in uh brown brown

00:32:28.400 university and i believe i i don't think they have the shooter yet uh but there's this the reporting

00:32:37.760 on this was so strange i'm going to assume it's a muslim it is yeah do we know for sure well they

00:32:44.720 look they uh there's a they arrested no there's a there's a fat guy involved fat palestinian guy is

00:32:51.520 is the guy who was arrested. Yeah. And the university was scrubbing information of him

00:32:56.680 because he's an employee. He's one of their teachers. Yeah. Investigators are looking to

00:33:02.240 the public for help identifying a person of interest in a deadly Brown University shooting.

00:33:07.080 Providence police releasing new enhanced video showing the individual in the area as early as

00:33:12.300 1030 a.m. the morning of the attack. One, typically when we see mass school shooters,

00:33:18.380 they don't just stop and walk away right usually they keep going until they're apprehended by

00:33:24.120 police shot dead or they kill themselves in this case let me just stop you i should have been

00:33:29.400 clear she was the the number two person at the young republicans branch on brown's campus so

00:33:34.400 that's that's why that's why some people are concerned if she were targeted go ahead amber i

00:33:38.320 apologize right well and the other thing is if the police are telling brown students that they are

00:33:43.580 safe they don't have to shelter in place anymore but they don't have a suspect in custody

00:33:47.380 I think that also suggests that this was some kind of targeted attack.

00:33:51.620 And so the coverage of this one, so let's assume that it's two Muslims.

00:33:58.880 The suspect in the Brown University shooting and also the shooting of an MIT professor in Brookline, Massachusetts,

00:34:05.260 is 48-year-old Claudio Neves Valente, a former Brown student and Portuguese national.

00:34:12.380 Nevis Valente was found dead by a self-inflicted gunshot wound

00:34:15.540 inside a Salem, New Hampshire storage unit

00:34:17.340 while investigators were executing a search warrant trying to find him.

00:34:20.480 Now again, investigators say he is the suspect

00:34:23.320 not only in that Brown University mass shooting

00:34:26.380 but also in the shooting of an MIT professor.

00:34:29.760 They say they found on him, when they found him dead,

00:34:33.840 a satchel, two firearms, and additional evidence

00:34:37.400 matching what was at the crime scene.

00:34:41.600 We got one event, and that's why I'm framing it this way.

00:34:44.760 We got one event where they're shooting a bunch of Jews and had a Hanukkah event.

00:34:51.440 These are civilians, right?

00:34:52.920 Let's just say for what it is, it was shooting civilians.

00:34:57.300 I think a 10-year-old girl was shot as well.

00:35:00.080 And it was purposeful.

00:35:01.480 They chose that location.

00:35:02.940 It wasn't just happenstance that it was a Hanukkah event.

00:35:05.440 In fact, the shooter seemed to be telling other people to stay away because he wanted to shoot these individuals.

00:35:12.480 So it was a political thing.

00:35:16.000 I think you could say it's terrorism, but I think it was politically motivated.

00:35:19.340 But someone made a good point.

00:35:21.880 And I think I need to start with this because there's been a lot of right wing people who are upset about this.

00:35:29.640 And we can get to that.

00:35:30.720 I want to hear your feelings on it. 0.99

00:35:31.980 but just to start i saw this one post that was like uh yeah all all the motherfuckers who were 0.99

00:35:40.000 like let both sides kill each other when they actually start killing each other and then there's 0.99

00:35:45.020 like a face of a fucking baby confused or something and i'm like fair this is what we were saying about 0.99

00:35:51.600 the palestinian israel conflict i'm like just let them fucking nuke each other i'm like well 0.99

00:35:55.440 okay i guess that's that it is happening in a place that is undesirable but hey 0.96

00:36:03.480 enough said and on the other hand there's the brown shooting which it looks targeted to me

00:36:09.940 there's this uh there's two this is what was so strange about this coverage there's two individuals 0.99

00:36:14.800 who were killed one um this is her name is ella ella cook and this is a fucking 0.98

00:36:23.760 blonde haired blue eyed straight off the trad bitch calendar and she was the chair of the young 0.98

00:36:32.880 republican group in that that university and so she was like you know a charlie kirk-esque figure 0.98

00:36:39.520 and it seemed that the shooting was just targeting her and then the second person that was killed

00:36:44.300 was an American Uzbek student

00:36:48.020 named Makhamid Aziz Umar-Zurkov.

00:36:52.040 There he is.

00:36:52.880 So, you know, night and day.

00:36:55.920 And then you've got this other shooting. 0.71

00:36:57.660 It's like, okay, against Jews, 0.95

00:36:59.080 but then just white woman

00:37:01.780 seemed to have been targeted

00:37:03.160 probably because of her political affiliations.

00:37:06.000 So the reason I say this is because,

00:37:09.100 and I'm going to let you jump in in just a second,

00:37:10.880 but the reason I say this is because

00:37:11.860 people were focusing on the hanukkah massacre saying that you need to be on the side

00:37:19.240 of muslims you need to be on the side of the shooter and i'm just going to say and then you'll

00:37:25.720 give me your say my my feelings are at the low end apathy i don't care at the high end i might

00:37:34.980 even agree that well this is the consequence of israel's policies whatever it's it's pretty

00:37:42.340 simple actually uh you got to put your your uh husband or parent hat on here let's say uh your 1.00

00:37:49.080 neighbor has this fucking dog that shits everywhere and you hate that fucking dog and then one day 1.00

00:37:54.300 wife comes home drunk and she drives the the fucking suv at 110 kilometers an hour right up 1.00

00:38:02.700 over the lawn narrowly misses your living room hits the neighbor's house kills the neighbor 1.00

00:38:08.820 kills the fucking dog and she survives so first of all you are absolutely thrilled at the outcome 0.99

00:38:15.940 i am pete i am just i am tickled pink at the outcome of this event i am angry about the event 1.00

00:38:24.220 i'm mad that it happened i'm mad that something led to this i'm mad that my wife drives drunk

00:38:30.460 i'm mad that my car is ruined but i am happy that the dog is dead so you can do both at once you

00:38:37.460 don't have to pat your wife on the back just because the dog's dead likewise i still think 1.00

00:38:42.060 this should be a call to disarm all muslims and kick them all out of the fucking country i love 1.00

00:38:47.200 that am i upset that jews are dead no i'm glad that jews are afraid i hope the jews leave too 1.00

00:38:53.260 and if you can't hold both in your head at the same time i'm sorry you're not a serious person

00:38:57.760 and i don't think anybody should listen to your opinion yeah there's so much of this story that 0.78

00:39:02.780 we can take exception to i'm upset that there's muslims there owning guns in the country to begin

00:39:09.260 with these those guys weren't by the way they weren't even australian citizens they were on

00:39:12.520 uh student visas correct and i'm upset that they're having a hanukkah event yeah first of all 0.77

00:39:19.960 i'm upset about hanukkah that's some made-up shit yeah you can do a thing around christmas 0.96

00:39:25.600 that's just for you while you also buy Chinese food on Christmas yeah you do like two annoying 0.98

00:39:32.020 things so like every element of the story I I'm frustrated by but I think that's the that's the

00:39:37.480 correct course of action um and I would agree with you despite this I was I don't know if you

00:39:45.300 saw this but I was getting into something of an argument with Eric Stryker on X a few people on

00:39:52.760 him he was fine um but by fine by his standards but his fans were they straight up accusing me 0.55

00:40:01.560 of being a zionist he still has fans people still follow this fag hey man war strike makes

00:40:07.680 twenty thousand dollars an episode they they stream for nine hours straight wait still like

00:40:12.780 in 2025 yeah no way um they broke from the right stuff dot biz quite some time ago but hey they've

00:40:20.820 been doing okay p i know for him he's like i know a lot of guys who got into them within the last

00:40:26.620 couple years that's got to make him the richest puerto rican stateside i know that's crazy and

00:40:32.280 he's he from what i understand he spends his money very puerto ricanly yeah nigga yeah and 0.99

00:40:39.320 fucking hookers and coke and all kinds of shit well it's scotch and coke but i don't know sure 1.00

00:40:44.000 there's there's hookers you think he's getting women on his own look at the fucking guy 1.00

00:40:47.300 no hey if i was honestly if i was puerto rican i would probably dress like him 1.00

00:40:52.600 he dresses like he looks like a greaser he looks like the fucking the kings from new vegas 0.99

00:40:59.380 he does he's got a pompadour just looking like an asshole but i would hey i would do the same 0.99

00:41:08.020 thing i'm already i dress like an asshole now yeah if he if you gave me the cheat code if you 0.99

00:41:15.160 can let me be hyper mexican i'm taking that yeah so i got into and but i'm trying to be civil 0.95

00:41:22.740 because like anyone worth a damn i listen to strike and mike you know he's said things in 0.66

00:41:28.040 the past that i've agreed with i'm not trying to start some shit here but he did accuse me of being 0.85

00:41:32.520 a rightoid here's what happened so there's a guy named who i like named radical liberation he's

00:41:39.680 one of these guys who got into them recently and radical liberation uh popular creator in his own

00:41:47.700 right and you like him if you haven't seen him he was um he was a libertarian kind of an anorex guy

00:41:54.800 i've watched i've watched him a few times but he's also like nine kids like he's the guy he's

00:41:59.220 walking the walk fair enough but such a weird thing for a guy of that age and of that standing

00:42:05.080 to get into a show like

00:42:07.480 Warstrike later.

00:42:08.600 The libertarian to all right pipeline

00:42:11.260 persists.

00:42:14.660 But

00:42:15.260 he was parroting one of their points

00:42:17.420 and my

00:42:19.460 position was

00:42:20.900 years ago and still

00:42:23.420 is. While I

00:42:25.160 agree with and concede a lot

00:42:27.420 of what these people are saying,

00:42:29.000 if I had to pick a side between

00:42:31.440 Palestine and Israel, I'd pick

00:42:33.260 Palestine. Yes, yes, yes. I understand it.

00:42:35.080 israel is doing a genocide yes but i would say that you are accusing jews of deploying the

00:42:43.740 bioweapon of muslims and i don't think you can side with the bioweapon itself against those who

00:42:51.820 deployed it's just not going to work with people and that's why i say it's not going to work

00:42:54.840 for regular people and in america and canada especially in the uk because you know the recent

00:43:03.140 shooting the hanukkah shooting and even to a lesser degree october 7th these are really the

00:43:10.340 first attacks against the muslim community against the jewish community by muslims that i can really

00:43:16.660 think of every other muslim directed massacre that has befallen the people of britain france 0.98

00:43:25.380 america canada wherever has been muslims against white people up to and including the rape gangs 0.86

00:43:31.380 and there was jews available there were synagogues around there were hanukkah events all over the 1.00

00:43:39.420 fucking place they never did they only attacked white people they only raped white people they 1.00

00:43:43.820 only did mass stabbings of white people specifically white women they were targeting 1.00

00:43:50.320 white people up until just recently and we're supposed to say like well you know we they are

00:43:55.220 our brothers in arms i will i will not counter signal them standing up to jewish impression

00:44:00.620 Okay, yeah, look, I'm not going to counter-signal it. 1.00

00:44:02.740 If Muslims want to shoot Jews, if Jews want to shoot Muslims, yippee, hip-hop hooray. 0.99

00:44:10.220 However, what you're trying to sell people on is you, 1.00

00:44:14.640 what you're trying to convince people on is you must support Muslims before you deport Muslims. 0.97

00:44:21.720 As you're going to say, support Muslims now against the Jews, and then we'll deport them later.

00:44:24.680 I don't think you can get people to support something that they want to deport.

00:44:29.040 that doesn't work with their programming their operating system their values doesn't 0.93

00:44:34.160 fucking make sense unless you actually do support muslims which many of these people do and which i 0.96

00:44:40.560 don't and what is what does support even mean like when you're when you're saying support you're 0.99

00:44:45.740 saying we should get behind them and and what like like oh we should not deport them i guess

00:44:52.180 we should all go and protect madrasas that is actually where they won't admit it but that is 0.98

00:44:57.900 where that's it that's the only place it can lead what else the fuck do you mean by support 1.00

00:45:01.700 like unless you're you're a fucking twitter nigger and all you can think of is post shit on social 1.00

00:45:06.900 media but if you want to talk about real political sport why on earth would you put your neck on the 1.00

00:45:11.200 line for a group which is an invader which has as you said up till very recently only ever attacked

00:45:16.620 us and now that they attacked our enemy somehow by fluke we're supposed to go and protect them 0.97

00:45:22.420 are you fucking serious also they're not really ready for this but i don't accept that muslims 0.99

00:45:29.220 are terribly anti-semitic and i've said this before i'll say it again animals dude they just 0.99

00:45:33.940 they strike out they are this this is true but if you can accuse them of having any sort of 0.96

00:45:40.180 ideology like that i would say more than anything they're anti-western and anti-white and they

00:45:45.940 actually see they see jews as an appendage of whiteness and the west if you ask them they will

00:45:51.620 see israel is just an outpost of the american empire what they really hate is the american

00:45:56.620 empire i think they are temporary adversaries of the jews i don't really think they hate jews like

00:46:02.240 that i'm sorry to say guys and that's why whenever he's like zohar madami just to give him as an

00:46:07.540 example again here was the anti-semitic candidate here was the guy who was never going to be bought

00:46:12.920 out he gets voted in by a coalition of the third world in new york and what happens day two he

00:46:20.680 promises to eradicate the scourge

00:46:22.860 of anti-Semitism in New York, which

00:46:24.680 means you, which 0.97

00:46:26.740 means you white guy who's got 0.54

00:46:28.740 critiques of Israel

00:46:30.940 and also he elected a 0.98

00:46:32.740 Jewish tranny to his leadership team. 0.95

00:46:35.060 So you have to understand, like, these people, they don't, 0.98

00:46:37.120 you can buy them off. They don't

00:46:38.780 really believe any of this stuff. They're

00:46:40.360 brown fucking morons. I don't even believe they're terribly 1.00

00:46:42.720 anti-Semitic. I think

00:46:43.740 if you, I think just Jews 0.96

00:46:46.620 are being cheap. They just said it's 0.95

00:46:48.660 easier to kill them than buy them. You can buy them. 1.00

00:46:50.680 very very easily and they have and they will so i don't really see them even as real players 0.74

00:46:57.440 in this struggle jews and muslims are both long-term civilizational enemies of the white 0.98

00:47:03.460 christian world and if anything muslims are the bigger enemy if you look at war dead right like 0.97

00:47:10.580 we've never fought generational thousand-year conflicts against the jews the way that we have 0.90

00:47:16.500 against the muslims i it seems to me that the conflict between the jews and the muslims is a

00:47:21.380 post-war thing it comes from israel like how much of this existed before israel stepped in there and

00:47:27.840 decided to curb stomp their children for 75 years straight prior to that there weren't even any 0.98

00:47:32.360 fucking jews there they didn't have a problem with the jews they had a problem with us they've 0.99

00:47:35.880 had a problem with us for for literally since they since muhammad they've had a problem with 1.00

00:47:40.540 us for 1500 fucking years yeah well and let me say this just to continue down this uh path i'm

00:47:47.620 on explaining where i was coming from all i said was a i don't think this argument's going to work 0.94

00:47:51.620 on most people because it's very internally inconsistent and then of course striker comes

00:47:58.120 in and calls says oh why don't you go defend chabad why don't you go volunteer for that like

00:48:02.760 just saying oh why don't you go defend the jews i'm like okay look you don't need to know who i

00:48:08.460 am i understand you probably don't you don't listen to blood salad it's for cool people it's 0.51

00:48:13.200 for winners who kill but you understand you just read that and said oh yeah jewish guy that's a

00:48:20.580 jewish thing you're you're a jew or you're a groiper like they just assign titles to you and

00:48:25.880 i'm being pretty diplomatic here i'm like okay i could say a lot of things i could i could say a

00:48:33.180 lot of things because i know you and you don't know me that's what you'll say i don't know who 0.97

00:48:36.320 the fuck are you you know all this stuff about me yeah okay i know your exact height 0.98

00:48:40.140 but you know he was at some point he's like well just state your position then stop beating around 1.00

00:48:47.080 the bush i'm like i'm not beating around the fucking bush and that's when his friends started 0.98

00:48:49.820 saying like if this guy's jewish the mask is slipping and i said you know what bothers me 0.98

00:48:54.820 and it shouldn't but let me just state it now because i know you're all paying attention

00:49:00.040 And what you're doing is very interesting, ironic, one might say, because your entire position that I'm seeing them express is that Israel is genocidal.

00:49:12.720 And they are by any metric.

00:49:15.280 Of course, they are. 0.70

00:49:16.840 But I'm like, you guys are also genocidal.

00:49:19.960 and i said this and i said you are talking amongst people who not only want to destroy

00:49:27.980 israel but want to wage a genocidal war against the jewish diaspora right let's be honest i'm 0.93

00:49:34.920 like i'll see the mask slips i'm like no just fucking admit this what you want if it were up 1.00

00:49:39.320 to you if you had limited power you'd kill all the jews of course you fucking would you're not 0.99

00:49:43.280 anti-genocide and i said it's just ironic that you are leveraging this sort of post-war 1.00

00:49:50.260 internationalist moralism that was crafted by jews to make this argument for you but let's be

00:49:57.760 on like i'm like no one's fooled by it no one's fooled by this no one's fooled by the guys who

00:50:04.980 run a show called the daily show about how they're the anti-genocide guys you know no one's fooled

00:50:15.180 by people who openly call themselves nazis and who talk about how much they want to destroy the jews

00:50:22.360 forever that they're now plural pearl clutching about the morality of genocide like no one no 0.79

00:50:30.480 one buys it not christians not republicans not other nazis not jews not liberals not anybody no 0.97

00:50:37.740 one buys this so why fucking do it and and this goes back to your earlier point which is like you 0.99

00:50:43.500 know what can when you support muslims what do you mean support you mean financially because 0.99

00:50:47.920 none of them are they take selfies with palestinian flags but the palestines probably don't want

00:50:52.220 anything to do with you so so why are you doing this why are you pretending that you don't want 1.00

00:50:56.840 genocide just stop being a fucking faggot because everyone everyone knows what you are who you are 1.00

00:51:04.060 but more importantly what you are and so that that's just what frustrates me it's like no no 1.00

00:51:07.400 we're in fact we're the only moral people in the world like yes or no would you kill all every 1.00

00:51:12.360 single jew on earth if you had the chance if you had a button that said kill all jews would you 0.98

00:51:15.960 press it yeah you would so this is just like some sort of moralistic convenience that you're talking 0.98

00:51:21.560 about it again they'll say don't expose the game that we're playing yes don't counter signal them

00:51:27.380 we've got them fooled who's them you have no one fooled like we're at least we're at least being 0.94

00:51:32.020 honest you know but we're we're right out here it's like look the muslims are my enemies and i 0.99

00:51:37.080 want to destroy them i want to destroy my enemies i'm not apologetic about that the jews are also 1.00

00:51:41.820 my enemies i think we should destroy them i would be great i would love it if we could destroy our 0.99

00:51:45.940 enemies and be victorious and you're like how we go but the anyways it's just so funny it's a 0.98

00:51:53.200 woman coded and it's post-war coded so when when there's a shooting of a muslim father and son

00:51:59.580 shooting jews i'm like well that's what you get that's what we get that's what we all get for

00:52:05.420 living in this situation we've let it get here where the israel-palestine conflict is just taking 1.00

00:52:11.660 place next door so it's not an international conflict anymore it's happening in your fucking 0.96

00:52:17.940 parks yeah and am i allowed to dislike that i'm taking my kid to fly a kite and exactly yes the 0.99

00:52:26.420 muslim shooter is saying no no no don't come over here i don't want to shoot you i'm like i'm just 0.87

00:52:31.500 supposed to say thank you thank god thank god this one didn't want to shoot me and my children 0.98

00:52:36.080 right forget that the dozens and dozens of others where we were the only people who want to shoot

00:52:41.060 today i got lucky and because i got lucky i'm grateful because i'm so grateful i'm going to

00:52:46.600 become a muslim this is the type of insane knotted up dialectic that we're in right now i'm just like

00:52:53.620 i just i just don't like this am i allowed to dislike that in the canadian context it's like

00:52:58.700 the india calistan thing like do you side with calistan because india is so oppressive or do

00:53:04.040 you side with india because they're our great trading partner and they provide us so much

00:53:08.120 etc etc like how about i just want both of them to go back man i hate that we have protests and 0.97

00:53:14.100 fights and extortion and we have houses being fucking shot up i want all calistanis and all 0.95

00:53:20.240 indians to all go back i number one let's let's use that amazing example and i appreciate that 0.95

00:53:26.860 you said that to use the exact same components of what we're just talking about so it's like

00:53:32.200 someone will come to you and say so whose side are you on calistan or india and say what and you

00:53:38.380 would say what the heck are you talking about i don't i don't think it's like well obviously you

00:53:43.880 need to because one of these is jewish controlled let's just say india is india is corrupted by zog

00:53:50.660 there's more there's more jews that are controlling that and calistan they're the base nationalists

00:53:56.800 they're they're kind of like the ira isn't the ira cool they're in fact they're kind of like the

00:54:02.400 nazis they're indian nazis wouldn't you want to support them so honestly if you don't support

00:54:07.760 the calistanis you're helping the jews no joke that's what i'm hearing yeah it is though yeah

00:54:14.860 it's it's like we had a one of our one of our great listeners right-wing persian he was a

00:54:21.480 positive okay america might be going to war with venezuela i'm not sure about that from

00:54:26.680 one of the news i'm reading it i'm not are we looking at a boots on the ground war by we i

00:54:32.620 mean as outsiders in america but is america like doing a ground offensive in venezuela or is it 0.74

00:54:39.720 just blockades and sanctions and shit have you seen this at all or no yeah yeah are you asking 0.57

00:54:45.040 me i mean yeah yeah let's say you i don't i don't think they're going boots on the ground unless it 0.95

00:54:49.900 goes through congress because i don't i mean my understanding of it is the i don't they can't and 0.84

00:54:55.540 So if Trump did it, he'd be risking a lot by starting, not that Obama didn't do the same fucking thing repeatedly, but I don't know.

00:55:02.920 I just don't think, I don't think that's in Trump's playbook that we would do a ground war without running through Congress. 0.74

00:55:07.640 On Tuesday night, the U.S. president stated he is ordering a total and complete blockade of all sanctioned oil tankers going into and out of Venezuela.

00:55:16.480 Donald Trump said it's because the Maduro regime is using oil from these stolen oil fields to finance, among other things, drug terrorism, human trafficking, and murder.

00:55:26.700 It's not clear what he means by stolen, possibly referring to U.S. companies Venezuela nationalized decades ago, and which Maduro's predecessor increased control over.

00:55:36.680 Because, you know, he was our good friend, right-wing Persian, and he's like, well, in that case, in that example, what side would you take?

00:55:44.020 who do you want to win or lose and i had said something fairly controversial i said i don't

00:55:49.300 think america can 100 lose a war these days i don't think they like lost lost the war in iraq

00:55:59.060 or afghanistan yes they you could say they retreated they abandoned it but it's like

00:56:05.140 look at the other side like they utterly decimated an entire country and extracted

00:56:10.180 wealth of resources and complete like when america lose quote unquote loses a war the winner is worse

00:56:17.620 off than a loser you know what i mean like yeah america is so insanely powerful and so kinetic

00:56:25.220 about its business interests that it can deploy in the region i'm like even if you win you're flat

00:56:30.820 i mean if you lose if you win you're flattened basically so i'm like yeah america engages that's

00:56:35.940 the way i'm looking at it which is like you can't lose loops you're never going to like chase them

00:56:41.380 out and that like the cockroaches will be the ones who take over the country after and that's

00:56:46.420 a very cynical way of looking at it i'm sure but i'm like i don't see it as a win or lose there

00:56:51.860 you know because look at how many american interests are served like it's not just

00:56:57.300 seizing territory and resources it's all kinds of other administrative goals and shit to terraform 0.97

00:57:07.560 that entire country and that's how they operate anyway but he's like you know america is zog

00:57:12.960 so i want to see zog zog lose which means you he had said that i'm trying to be fair here because

00:57:20.780 i think it's an interesting point he was making and maybe he could make it to other people as well

00:57:25.980 and listeners you could ask yourself he would say that uh you seem to be unwilling to sacrifice

00:57:33.960 american lives first of all i'm not american but what right he knows that but let's just let's just

00:57:39.860 say we're all american you know in a sense we're all american he's like you need to be comfortable

00:57:46.380 with sacrificing the lives of white marines let's say in the interest of giving zog which is america

00:57:55.060 black eye watch them lose the fight and i just didn't like that framing you know i mean it just

00:58:01.300 like the bondi shooter it's like it seems that the soil this is all grown out of is white death and

00:58:10.100 white oppression it seems that you know for this cruel muslim versus israeli conflict to happen

00:58:17.220 we need to sacrifice our parks and also maybe my child's skull because i don't think he's that good 0.97

00:58:22.340 of a shooter you know i mean like is there any equation here that doesn't involve white people 0.99

00:58:28.340 being raped and killed i'm like can i have one and we were i was laughing about this imagining 0.96

00:58:36.020 adolf hitler in vienna serving the landscape of the post-war germany seeing it overrun by 0.97

00:58:45.540 communists and he describes this mein kampf and communists and jews jewish control and then he

00:58:53.300 goes and sees this little rinky ding political party that stands in opposition to it it's like 0.95

00:58:59.060 12 guys in the basement of a pub and he thinks to himself i hate germany i hope it's destroyed 0.94

00:59:06.980 because we have a zionist occupied germany and the only way to defeat the jews is for germany

00:59:13.060 to fall that's how we save the continent you know i mean just as one example because a lot of these

00:59:19.620 guys are hitler fans i'm like so like can you accept any solution this problem that does not

00:59:25.340 involve millions of white people dying just in the hopes that the jews will be chased into space 0.92

00:59:33.360 because there's only one guarantee that i'm seeing is that white people lose and i don't know like i 0.62

00:59:40.500 And I've circled back to my original argument, like that's not going to work on people.

00:59:44.140 People live in the real world.

00:59:45.320 People who remember what Muslims had done to them and their society that can see it every single day.

00:59:50.600 They're confronted with it.

00:59:51.800 It's in their face.

00:59:53.740 And this either or pick a team thing just isn't going to work.

00:59:57.660 And I'm not even trying to make a values or morals based judgment.

01:00:00.600 I'm like, it's not going to work.

01:00:02.840 You can try.

01:00:04.220 Go ahead and try.

01:00:05.940 You've been trying, but keep it up.

01:00:08.200 but if you're asking me as you're calling me a rightoid as you're calling me secretly jewish

01:00:14.920 as you're calling me every name in the book i'm a griper i'm i'm a patrick casey fan like

01:00:22.120 whatever the oh that that burns i gotta keep one of the other guys accused me of being

01:00:29.080 a huge fan of bronze age pervert

01:00:31.080 this guy saw the video like they just they went into my profile and did a search for like bronzy's

01:00:38.160 pervert saw the videos we did reviewing the book it's like this guy loves them this guy loves

01:00:43.360 jarvin i'm like i just wanted it to play out because i'm like okay keep going let's hear it

01:00:50.300 say more things what else do you based on what information you have what do you think i am

01:00:55.880 i'm like every type of guy to these people because they just know i'm not them yeah because i'm not

01:01:01.980 them because i'm not that very specific brand of multi-polarity not like nazi burned out quasi

01:01:11.920 skinhead you know i mean like just i'm not that that means i'm the the spectrum of everything

01:01:17.080 that they hate you know this and and these are the guys complaining like everything's slop now

01:01:23.840 everything the right it's blowing up

01:01:26.740 everyone's betraying their ideals

01:01:28.720 I'm like you're literally just out there calling everyone

01:01:30.860 first of all you only ever talk

01:01:32.760 to people on the right your entire

01:01:34.600 circle is just

01:01:36.640 right wing guys and 100%

01:01:38.920 of them are apparently Jewish

01:01:39.880 I don't know 0.99

01:01:43.980 and you're saying everything sucks now

01:01:46.540 I'm sorry I'm sorry you like

01:01:48.780 weirdly randomly ended up

01:01:50.900 in the most Jewish place on

01:01:52.900 earth by no fault i i had some other stuff planned for this but i've really gone off the rails here

01:02:00.160 that's fine i was going to complain about indians i might i might we do that every day that's i mean

01:02:06.720 that's second nature now can i just do one yeah let's do it

01:02:12.520 because i want to get this on record i really like this this is a post made a while ago on

01:02:23.300 kiwi farms that was making the rounds and uh it's about is that i yeah that's that you probably

01:02:31.680 read this a lot of people have read it yeah but um it's so interesting how much in common

01:02:38.240 these foreigners have

01:02:40.480 because it seems like every

01:02:41.980 group or ethnicity that

01:02:44.500 we hate

01:02:45.480 having any interaction with, they have some

01:02:48.420 form of just lying

01:02:50.340 for the sake of lying, which

01:02:52.440 is so antithetical to how we

01:02:54.380 do things. So I'm just going to

01:02:56.340 read a bit here. He says

01:02:58.500 this is

01:03:00.600 a thread on QFarm. There's a guy saying,

01:03:02.420 oh, I didn't see this mention here before.

01:03:04.560 He says, is that has no

01:03:06.420 direct translation into english we only have terms that can broach the same concepts such as honor

01:03:12.280 or reputation or face and even that saving face you know the idea of face in japanese culture

01:03:19.040 even that was a new thing right we had to kind of learn how japanese people handle their reputation

01:03:26.060 being dinged is that is so much more than that it's a zero-sum game of collective honor shared

01:03:32.640 by the whole groups of people all of whom take it very very seriously and what would the muslim

01:03:38.120 version of this be there was one you don't talk about where it's like muslims are allowed to lie

01:03:43.280 to further their hands there's a word for it by a camera jews as well but yeah i don't remember

01:03:49.880 the word but most of them they have it enshrined either either in their culture or the case of 0.97

01:03:54.000 islam and judaism it's actually in their scripture that they can kind of do whatever the fuck

01:03:59.460 honestly from what i'm seeing every single group on earth aside from europeans because i don't even 0.90

01:04:08.260 think this yes this isn't in spain like in spain they don't have this no this is like a this is a

01:04:13.220 rule of law thing that's so ingrained in our minds that we project onto the rest of the planet but

01:04:18.580 it's just us not even just whites it's just like anglos largely yeah well it's also like angles but

01:04:25.300 but it's also like,

01:04:25.940 I don't think it's in the Mediterranean either.

01:04:28.160 Like there's no policy that's like,

01:04:31.420 you're encouraged to lie to everyone

01:04:34.380 that's not of your group or,

01:04:37.340 because then it's like,

01:04:38.160 they didn't have a concept of race.

01:04:39.520 It would be you're outside your family

01:04:42.400 or outside your community or something. 1.00

01:04:45.140 But that's just a fucking war 0.99

01:04:47.080 every time you want to do anything. 0.99

01:04:48.440 Like everyone's lying all the time about everything.

01:04:51.760 and every conversation you have is just locking horns and it says here it says um a system like

01:05:01.580 this is just so foreign to enlightenment values but i argue it's antithetical to every sensible

01:05:06.100 form of governance on the planet and the only exception i would take as we just said is i think

01:05:10.540 that is the form of governance on the planet i think that's what they're doing in china i think

01:05:14.720 that's probably i mean maybe they're doing in menezuela i don't know but like in africa definitely

01:05:18.960 either doing it the entire continents are doing this is that conflicts is that conflicts are not

01:05:26.280 about who is right and who is wrong it's about who wins and who loses this means it's a zero-sum

01:05:30.880 game where just about any action is justified including murder to restore the last is that

01:05:36.580 is that is a limited social currency and the easiest way to get is to take it from someone

01:05:41.180 else winning is righteous it is that losing is unrighteous this means that someone plays a game

01:05:47.680 of Izzat well enough, they can get away with just about

01:05:49.940 anything. The only appropriate

01:05:51.780 response when your Izzat is attacked is 0.95

01:05:53.860 the complete destruction of whoever insulted

01:05:56.120 it. Like two people get

01:05:58.000 into an argument, he says. They might escalate,

01:05:59.960 but chances are it won't be that bad.

01:06:02.140 Sorry, I broke your guard. No, was the

01:06:04.000 example. With two Indians in

01:06:06.000 an argument, the stakes are always deadly

01:06:07.880 thanks to Izzat. Neither of them can

01:06:09.940 back down nor can emit fault. Emitting fault

01:06:12.040 is seen as deliberately humiliating

01:06:13.960 yourself. Not only that, but because

01:06:16.040 is that is shared you're shaming everyone who shares your is that that would be your family

01:06:20.740 and community and whatnot so admitting fault or taking responsibility for a problem is a form of 0.99

01:06:25.560 social suicide this means even if the dispute was over something completely fucking stupid or trivial 0.97

01:06:31.120 it's spiral into a decades-long honor feud now he gave an example here hold on yeah you all know 0.99

01:06:38.600 the infamous video of that indian scamming a food bank once again winning is righteous losing is not

01:06:44.800 by employing clever means otherwise known as jugad he successfully extracted more resources

01:06:51.980 for himself and his family from the perspective of jugad a rule is not something to respect but

01:06:57.140 merely an obstacle to the indians own gain and so if anyone's ever been in academia you might be

01:07:03.580 aware of these massive cheating organizations run by indian students just because like you

01:07:10.040 understand like when white people take a test you either pass or you fail and if you fail

01:07:15.000 it means you didn't work hard enough you didn't study hard enough maybe you're not smart enough

01:07:19.080 and you need to recalculate what you can do to succeed to them it's just you will if it if you 1.00

01:07:25.700 can go to the principal and blackmail them if you can go to the dean and suck his dick if you can 0.99

01:07:31.240 you know what i mean if you can like threaten some wife anything aside from learning the the 1.00

01:07:38.960 study material anything other than doing what the actual system wants you to do they will do it in

01:07:45.800 fact obeying the rules is kind of weak why would you obey the rules why can't you smart people

01:07:51.060 break rules but then you're breaking every rule all the time and that's no way to run a society

01:07:57.280 but that explains what it's like dealing with these people i i do believe this is i've just

01:08:02.540 seen so many different examples of this is how they approach the world and this is how so many 0.91

01:08:08.040 other fucking non-europeans do it too which is just every social interaction is a dispute and 0.97

01:08:15.320 a feud every system is there to be subverted jews are like this too they love systems are there to 1.00

01:08:21.700 be outsmarted you're a smart person if you know how to break the rules and get caught like the

01:08:27.240 wire around town cheating god yes like anytime we were talking about this before the calistani

01:08:34.020 anything. I'm like, okay, what tangle of lies is this? I don't know what this is. When I'm dealing

01:08:40.580 with Indians, I don't know what anything is. I can't trust any of you. You're never getting

01:08:46.020 the straight story. This is why you can't employ them. You ever employed an Indian?

01:08:50.640 You ever tried? Because you or I, an employer, a client says, hey, I need you to do a job.

01:08:57.080 Can you do it? You might say, you know what? I think I can do it. I might need to bring someone

01:09:01.920 else on i don't think i can do it i can help you get this done we'll figure it out and we'll figure

01:09:06.800 out a price that makes sense right yeah yeah the indian will just say yes and he'll no idea how to

01:09:11.420 do it and then he just won't do it and then he'll get mad at you for asking hey where's that thing

01:09:19.100 that you said you're going to do seeing it seeing it happen i mean i i have so many stories but i

01:09:24.600 mean anybody who's worked with indians knows that this is true that they'll be in a meeting and say

01:09:28.600 yes i've got this and not only will they come back only for you to realize that they had no

01:09:34.360 clue how to even start it but then they haven't attempted it they haven't given it to somebody

01:09:39.400 else to do they're now they're just trying to blame you or their boss or someone else in the

01:09:44.280 office for why it's not done even though it's a thing that they explicitly said not only they

01:09:49.320 could do but they were a fucking expert in and they haven't even touched it and it's just and

01:09:54.840 and the gaslighting man yeah and so like i said before there's so many comparable examples from 0.94

01:10:01.860 around the world of other groups that do this and you cannot educate that out of them um and that

01:10:08.560 you can't engage with these people in any realistic way and i just get the sense whenever

01:10:14.020 we talk to even people on our side they keep saying well we should do that or that that's an

01:10:20.380 aspect of them that they respect it wouldn't be great if white people did that but i mean maybe

01:10:28.220 at one point we did maybe at one point far in the past that is how we structured society and

01:10:33.740 realized that was no way to have society you cannot you cannot have a civilization right

01:10:38.460 right but this is how even your kinfolk understand and interact with themselves it's kind of sad

01:10:45.100 hearing people say that is if you don't understand the reason that i love white people isn't because

01:10:51.340 i think white is a great color on your skin it's because of the things that we do it's our habits

01:10:57.100 and our culture and our beliefs and our behavior relative to each other and this is one of the

01:11:01.180 things that we generally speaking instill all of our children with deep deep integrity multiple

01:11:08.460 facets of integrity we would never we the problem with us is we get victimized by indians because

01:11:16.060 most of us until we've experienced it a few times can't even imagine the level of deceit

01:11:23.020 that is required to behave this way we have no we're totally blindsided by it but the fact

01:11:29.900 the fact that we have that integrity yeah it's deceit but the the integrity the ability to

01:11:35.100 cooperate long term and to get more out of a crew of guys than the sum of their parts is the reason

01:11:41.820 that we conquered the planet right the the british empire was a result of that so and this is yeah

01:11:48.540 this is why it's great dealing with white men in any professional sense because what we're describing

01:11:54.460 here in so many words is everything's a game it's a purposeless game these are the rules of the game

01:11:59.820 you have to play for interactions it's deceit you must be treacherous and you have it's there's

01:12:03.500 There's winners and losers, but it just seems so frivolous.

01:12:06.780 And when you're dealing with white guys, especially the ones I'm thinking of, 0.99

01:12:10.200 they just want to cut through the bullshit because they're trying to actually get something done. 1.00

01:12:15.380 I don't want to play a game. 0.99

01:12:16.620 Guys, that's why we started wearing jeans in the office, by the way. 0.99

01:12:20.720 We don't need to wear a fucking... I'm an engineer. I don't need to wear a fucking suit. 0.99

01:12:24.140 You want to wear a three-piece suit if I'm working at drafting? 1.00

01:12:26.720 Well, fuck that. Maybe I'm more comfortable and more efficient if I just wear a fucking t-shirt or something, right? 1.00

01:12:30.900 but it's in the interest of like let's get the job done faster the the white guy is the the guy 0.99

01:12:38.040 who hates being in a meeting i hate meetings meetings are a waste of time there's things to 0.99

01:12:43.700 do yeah every all these other people they love meetings they love performative shit they love 0.99

01:12:49.140 being seen in the meeting they love it's very important where they sit the meeting the white 0.98

01:12:54.840 guy the driven man the faustian man he doesn't want to just fucking waste his time with frivolous 0.99

01:12:59.640 shit that's why having to learn how to deal with these asian companies it's like okay can i just 0.98

01:13:05.380 call you up and let's talk about a deal i want a deal okay here's here's what i think the market 0.99

01:13:10.140 rate is i'll give i'll give you we'll go 10 over 10 over how's that sound it's like well you're

01:13:14.900 like oh no i didn't i didn't introduce myself the right way i didn't look at your business card the

01:13:20.680 right way i'm supposed to look at your business card for 20 seconds i only did it for 10 and then 0.99

01:13:26.480 i need to refuse your the gift three times like shut the fuck up shut the fuck up there's things 1.00

01:13:32.240 to do i have a family i've got i want to fucking jerk off i want to go watch a movie there's like 1.00

01:13:37.060 100 things i want to do in my life other than stand here with you just a guy i want to make 0.99

01:13:41.740 a fucking deal with can we make a deal i want to make a deal do you want to make money i want to 0.99

01:13:46.460 make money do you want me how about we just like as men let's figure out what this is the more 0.99

01:13:51.500 games we play the gayer this fucking gets i think a lot of this stuff as it relates to like 0.92

01:13:56.380 law and international business has to do with long-term exposure to outside cultures because 0.97

01:14:01.300 i don't think any of this was necessary when we were only dealing with ourselves we didn't need

01:14:06.480 look look there was a time when we wore suits because we all enjoyed wearing them we wore suits

01:14:11.980 because we were patting each other on the back not because the deal would fail if you didn't wear the 0.99

01:14:16.380 fucking suit but the position we're in right for example japanese love them to bits love my love 0.99

01:14:21.700 my japanese friends but you know what you deal with the japanese if you don't give them the gift 0.99

01:14:25.240 and you don't wear the suit and you don't bow

01:14:27.300 and you don't do the correct type of eye contact

01:14:29.220 the deal is off

01:14:30.220 that is the 21st century 0.99

01:14:33.440 version of fucking 1.00

01:14:35.360 animist pig worshippers 1.00

01:14:37.280 you fucking animals 1.00

01:14:39.160 that's not how busy, we're talking about cars 1.00

01:14:41.580 we're talking about electronics manufacturing 1.00

01:14:43.760 and you're going to blow the fucking deal 0.99

01:14:45.420 because you didn't like my haircut 1.00

01:14:47.300 are you fucking serious 0.99

01:14:48.720 you won't blow up a 5 million dollar deal 0.99

01:14:50.940 because my shoes were not auspicious 0.97

01:14:52.840 what the fuck does this mean 1.00

01:14:54.160 this is the reason you motherfuckers you short ass bitches could not hold an empire down the way 1.00

01:14:58.820 that we could it's this exact shit this is it like pragmatism i'm sorry i don't want to go off 1.00

01:15:06.880 on this but i do i want you to go off that's it that's my this is year of the crash out 0.98

01:15:13.740 you're the crash i don't want to look i want all the it's not you know what i'm a i'm a rules guy

01:15:19.720 i love the rules but the rules have to be rules that work they can't be rules for rules sake it

01:15:24.540 can't be rules as a game remember i had that discussion a few months ago about the idea of a

01:15:28.720 game that like you're you're creating artificial obstacles for yourself just to prove that you can

01:15:33.120 do it that i don't think that that works in a lot of cases it doesn't work certainly in international

01:15:38.580 trade and that drives me up the fucking wall the games that you have to play with people in order

01:15:43.340 to get a deal done the way and relationship building is one thing but even to say i have 0.97

01:15:48.280 to build a long-term relationship with this person before i'm going to get a deal out of them i might 0.96

01:15:51.760 not get a good deal for three years i gotta get shafted for three fucking years until i can get 0.98

01:15:56.500 a good deal with a chinese supplier are you fucking serious i'll tell you how i get a good 0.99

01:16:00.560 deal with a guy locally in ontario i go over and shake his hand and i figure out what kind of beer 0.98

01:16:05.600 he likes and now we're best friends and now we both give each other literally the best fucking 0.99

01:16:10.620 deal that either one of us can afford and we go to each other's fucking birthday parties like you 1.00

01:16:17.060 you niggers can't do this you get on get on my level of friendliness this is what i would do 1.00

01:16:25.220 and um when i'm looking for clients there's a few different ways to get clients i'm working 0.99

01:16:31.520 marketing obviously but there's other ways you know whatever you're selling you can do cold

01:16:35.940 calling cold calling is better than sending cold emails and it's just a numbers game so if you're

01:16:43.700 sending cold emails to try and get a client interested in whatever you're doing you might

01:16:48.180 have to send 100 before you get any sort of lead right i'm just making up a number it might be 50

01:16:53.560 depends what you're selling if you do a cold call and it's harder to get someone's number you

01:16:57.940 increase that number but from 100 now it's down to 50 but if you just show up at wherever it is

01:17:05.240 try and make a meeting try and get in front of them this is what i was doing you know for the

01:17:10.720 past few months and i would just go to these places and meet the people and if i do that 12

01:17:17.540 times i get five solid leads and i would get two clients from that i think those numbers are

01:17:25.820 unbeatable i'm dealing mostly with white guys here just based on where i am but it's like if

01:17:30.200 you actually just show up and they see your face you shake their hand they get a sense of what you

01:17:35.600 dress like what's your voice like is this does this look like someone i can trust that does

01:17:40.460 very very well with white guys and even a couple of prospects that didn't want to pursue a

01:17:47.260 relationship they said like it was really cool that you just came in like i heard that from yeah

01:17:51.760 yeah yeah but try doing that to anyone who's not a white guy i also think that works better

01:17:57.800 the more isolated we get it's almost like a bit of a there's a bit of a spring or like an elasticity

01:18:03.140 to that where it this has always worked it's probably the foundation of our previous empire 0.97

01:18:09.320 but it's it actually works even better now because all of us are so burnt out dealing with fucking 0.59

01:18:14.600 nons all day that if you go and you actually are just a dude to another dude you can probably form

01:18:20.960 a much better relationship with somebody and again just in business um it's easier to do it than it

01:18:27.880 was 50 let's put it this way there will be a premium placed on the ability to prove to someone

01:18:34.880 that you're not an indian yeah and i mean really i mean getting a room and say oh thank god i'm not

01:18:41.740 talking to an indian i'm not talking to an indian with a fake name and an email i'm not talking to

01:18:47.420 some indian trying to put on an american accent because they do that as well yeah like oh an

01:18:53.580 awesome wave of relief will wash over them they say oh it actually is a white guy i didn't think

01:18:59.240 they made those anymore i didn't think they did that if you can get in a guy's office any if you

01:19:05.400 can get in a dude's office and within 10 minutes you can make him laugh genuinely and then you can

01:19:10.560 do like a fake out high five if you can do a fake out high five on a guy within 10 minutes

01:19:15.340 you you sealed it you got a 10 discount yeah you walk him you do a handshake then you kind of do

01:19:21.460 the psych, pop them in the nest.

01:19:23.520 Yeah.

01:19:25.760 Give us a nice 1.00

01:19:27.320 jab to the balls. 1.00

01:19:31.780 Jab to the balls. 1.00

01:19:33.180 Right hook to the hip and just 0.98

01:19:34.960 hit the hip in an odd place

01:19:37.520 where you can't walk right.

01:19:41.200 That's how we do it in

01:19:42.640 Mohawk territory.

01:19:44.460 That's how we do it.

01:19:46.360 Start attributing

01:19:48.440 yourself to Aboriginal tribes.

01:19:50.240 that's how the Iroquois do it

01:19:52.760 do they? I don't know, do you? I don't know

01:19:54.820 speaking of, okay, so before

01:20:00.840 we get into these

01:20:02.720 two books that I'm going to cover

01:20:05.080 I wanted to announce something

01:20:07.180 very, very exciting

01:20:08.000 we are doing our next

01:20:11.260 event, our next

01:20:12.920 in our series of speaking events

01:20:15.400 the previous one

01:20:17.080 was known as the December event

01:20:19.140 and that had the distributist

01:20:21.620 it had myself, it had Fortisax

01:20:23.900 had Wilhelm Apologist, had a few

01:20:25.840 other people speaking at it

01:20:27.520 it was in Toronto and

01:20:29.400 the next one is

01:20:31.760 going to be 2026

01:20:32.960 in Toronto in April

01:20:35.820 and

01:20:37.220 who are we having there?

01:20:39.400 We're having Dr. Ricardo Deshane

01:20:41.720 who we've covered on the show before

01:20:43.800 who we've interviewed on the show before

01:20:45.260 he should be familiar to a lot of you

01:20:46.800 um we're having cat girl kulak who's a very popular sub stack writer he was at our last

01:20:54.160 event um the the camping excursion we had earlier this year and the ferryman's toll

01:21:02.980 the vice president of the second sons a very very popular content creator in his own right so we're

01:21:08.900 having at least those three that's a solid roster of people right there yeah uh it's going to be

01:21:14.780 as i said downtown toronto uh you can find the link to that on our x page at legally ironic you

01:21:24.100 can find it on our telegram page you got the link there or you can go to coacanada.com and you can

01:21:31.780 find the link to buy a ticket just one ticket we're not doing any early bird specials no vip

01:21:37.120 tickets just one ticket you're getting access to the speakers you're also getting snacks that are

01:21:42.640 provided there and there's going to be drinks as well so the ticket gets you access to all that so

01:21:48.960 uh we've been planning for quite some time i'm very excited about it and uh hope to see you there

01:21:55.680 if anyone's got any questions they can hit me up with uh anything you need anything you want to

01:22:01.240 know nice it's gonna be way easier than the last event the last event almost killed us

01:22:05.440 yeah not financially just in terms of putting out fires and uh the chaos around that i loved it

01:22:12.820 it was what was it like two and two two ish days two and a half days and there was food and there

01:22:17.840 were events it was a whole thing and as much as we've done events before we'd never done a like

01:22:22.000 a three-day feed everybody thing before but we have now and guess what the one this summer is

01:22:27.660 going to be fantastic it's going to be five times better easy it's going to get further and further

01:22:33.280 into the primeval it's gonna get yeah we're gonna end your his dream jesus he's been very clear about

01:22:41.300 this and i inhabit his dream currently eventually we're gonna be just rocking up a mountain and it's

01:22:49.040 gonna be seven of us and we're gonna be out there for a week we're gonna we're gonna eat the slowest

01:22:54.400 one yeah so we're gonna get more and more extreme as we go there but this event is just gonna be

01:22:59.400 a fun party networking atmosphere um so with that being said i just wanted to talk about a couple

01:23:08.320 books that i think we can rip through in short order i decided to do two because i was reading

01:23:14.400 one and uh i didn't i didn't like it that much these are canadian books we're still on our arc

01:23:20.500 about canadian history and canadian identity and i found this one book that i can only describe it 0.82

01:23:28.360 as shit lib nationalism 0.94

01:23:31.360 because you're used to hearing right wing nationalism 1.00

01:23:34.880 you're used to hearing ethno nationalism

01:23:36.800 but you very rarely hear nationalist sentiment

01:23:41.100 coming from just liberals

01:23:42.280 just from like CBC viewers

01:23:44.440 you kind of see it with the elbows up movement

01:23:47.180 from the boomers

01:23:48.400 that was the only time I'd seen it

01:23:50.000 but I'd never actually seen a book

01:23:51.860 basically written by a liberal

01:23:53.040 complaining about sovereignty

01:23:55.420 the lack of sovereignty

01:23:56.980 complaining about American

01:23:59.060 encroachment and complaining about how

01:24:00.980 Canada's not taken seriously

01:24:02.700 as a military power

01:24:04.940 on the world stage, but from 1.00

01:24:06.940 your fucking 1.00

01:24:08.580 progressive fucking uncle, the guy 1.00

01:24:10.860 who voted for Trudeau twice. 1.00

01:24:13.780 You know?

01:24:15.720 The book is titled

01:24:17.100 The Vanishing Country.

01:24:19.760 So I thought I'd just read some excerpts

01:24:21.200 that I just found amusing.

01:24:23.260 We're just here to have fun.

01:24:24.660 so take off your serious cap

01:24:27.400 we're just here to chuckle

01:24:29.560 but there's some interesting

01:24:31.260 historical insight he gives

01:24:33.340 along the way

01:24:34.120 The Vanishing Country, the author is Mel

01:24:37.200 Hurtig

01:24:38.300 I was hurting after watching this

01:24:41.060 ah

01:24:42.840 jeez

01:24:44.300 yes

01:24:45.400 so

01:24:47.020 it just opens up here

01:24:49.720 on a CBC Network morning radio show

01:24:52.680 tom de kaino tells us listeners that the bcni wants much more foreign investment in canada

01:24:59.500 we're quote missing the boat not attracting more i see no danger in americans japanese and germans

01:25:05.920 owning canadian companies i have no problem with that their model says end quote anyway regarding

01:25:13.000 the americans once again quote says we've bought up more of their economy than they have of ours

01:25:19.260 this is what he's saying canada is and he said we could even get more foreign investment in canada

01:25:24.900 if we didn't have such an unfriendly regulatory environment and anti-business bias on the same

01:25:29.980 show the right-wing mcgill economist and national post communist uh comments columnist william

01:25:36.300 watson uh when asked by me how much of the country he'd be he would be preparing to sell

01:25:42.220 promptly responded that he'd be prepared to sell the whole country depending on the price he could

01:25:47.900 get we should leave it to the market so he's basically telling the story here about canadian

01:25:55.940 academics think tanks and business leaders who are trying to sell out canada not just to america

01:26:02.660 and this is the theme of the last previous couple episodes about canada versus america and what i

01:26:08.980 want to establish here in these examples he just cited was it's to anyone it's not just

01:26:15.760 America has been the most successful animal

01:26:18.060 you're dealing with a

01:26:19.920 business class and a bureaucrat class that

01:26:22.240 is just interested in anyone

01:26:24.460 buying up anything here

01:26:25.840 Japanese, Germans, whatever, they're model citizens

01:26:28.220 what do you mean by model?

01:26:30.980 No one ever asks them that, right?

01:26:33.340 You know what I'm model

01:26:34.000 they're

01:26:34.740 the most white you can think of

01:26:38.920 well they're just models, they don't try and 0.99

01:26:40.640 they don't try and rape us

01:26:42.520 I'm like, well tell me about who does

01:26:44.400 this is what to people who say they're model citizens who's the not model citizen

01:26:50.640 you know because you're already talking about nationality and race is the portuguese yeah um

01:26:57.300 so he continues on here when he's he's really unfriendly towards brian mulrooney in this book

01:27:07.900 and in this selling out of canada he says the place to start has to be brian mulrooney and

01:27:14.200 remnants of the entourage people such as paul tellier stanley hart peter white derek burney and

01:27:20.280 the like there is no one in our 135 year history who comes close to brian mulrooney as the all-time

01:27:27.480 champion of americanization of canada big business in canada tom aquino and his 150 large corporations

01:27:34.040 who now call themselves the canadian council of chief executives formerly the bcni who i previously

01:27:40.680 mentioned co-chaired by derek burney and paul tellier these are just the names of the people

01:27:45.560 who are involved in this are the most powerful of the radical right elite in canada you're going to

01:27:51.240 get to this in a second he calls all these people the radical right that's when i noticed that this

01:27:56.920 book was was was playing funny games with me this book was having a laugh because he basically said

01:28:04.520 that anyone that's just interested in financialization of canada is like right wing

01:28:10.680 and this is what i love about this type of guy it's like my side the progressive side 0.99

01:28:16.100 we're not interested in making money it's only the fucking capitalists man 0.98

01:28:21.460 so they're the far right according to him 0.99

01:28:24.280 he makes a good point here he says yeah he expands on here he says those who are selling

01:28:33.240 out our country could best be called the radical right for their policies are truly radical in the

01:28:39.380 context of history and the traditions of our country they are radical because in many ways

01:28:44.560 they have little or no precedence they contradict long-standing canadian values and they advocate

01:28:50.420 for far-reaching transformation of the character of our country a transformation that's well outside

01:28:55.740 the mainstream opinion and who does the canadian radical right most closely resemble clearly it's

01:29:02.100 the far right of the u.s republican party the ronald reagan's and the barry goldwaters

01:29:07.400 the radicals such as Newt Gingrich

01:29:10.680 and other American icons

01:29:12.560 of laissez-faire let the market

01:29:14.520 prevail ideology so to this

01:29:16.640 type of mind I love this

01:29:18.100 only recently did these people become

01:29:20.620 aware of fascists

01:29:22.100 to them

01:29:23.340 the liberals were

01:29:26.080 socialists and so

01:29:27.460 the antithesis of that

01:29:30.160 was laissez-faire

01:29:31.720 free market economic

01:29:33.360 Milton Friedman

01:29:34.320 their enemy was just like old

01:29:37.380 Jews 0.90

01:29:38.020 and he keeps

01:29:41.360 going on here he says

01:29:42.280 and this is what I loved about the book

01:29:45.260 I'm just giving a few examples here

01:29:46.660 about how this form of liberal

01:29:49.380 anti-Americanism

01:29:51.260 manifests

01:29:52.340 we'll get into it here where he's like

01:29:54.960 these Americans they don't even

01:29:57.340 believe in universal health care

01:29:59.000 they don't even believe

01:30:01.400 in the UN

01:30:02.540 he goes here he says certainly when it comes to public policy and health and education

01:30:08.240 most canadians are social democrats let me ask you this would you would you agree with that

01:30:14.200 does that make sense most canadians are social democrats uh it's a truer statement about us than

01:30:21.700 it is about the states but i don't think i don't think that's true if you control for for ethnicity

01:30:26.980 i think that canadian canadian immigrants are mostly social democrats he says um and their

01:30:34.520 policies that we enjoy are much closer to those of west european countries than those in the u.s

01:30:41.220 well look i don't want to go on a whole tangent about it but in my opinion um there's a lot of

01:30:48.080 hay made about the scandinavian nations and how socialist they are and how successful their

01:30:53.080 socialist policies are i don't think they're socialist i think they're practical like for

01:30:58.720 example i was either sweden or norway denmark one of them their health care system they have

01:31:05.220 publicly funded health care but they also have an extremely robust but well-regulated private

01:31:11.620 health care system it's even better than the american private health care system so for

01:31:16.460 canadians they say oh but look at denmark's beautiful public health care system and the

01:31:21.020 americans are like look at denmark's beautiful private health care system yeah because they 0.84

01:31:24.920 have fucking both and the purpose of the system is to make sure that everybody gets the best health

01:31:30.300 care that they can they can get and it's for the health of the nation right so there's a lot there 0.98

01:31:35.080 to look to but to call it socialist is really reductive i think france is socialist but i mean 0.96

01:31:42.060 england is not really socialist it's just fucking tyrannical it was so wild as i was reading this 0.98

01:31:48.960 piece that was 0.99

01:31:50.760 I forget who wrote it but

01:31:52.760 the title was something like

01:31:55.140 Total

01:31:56.500 Boomer Luxury Communism

01:31:59.200 I was just complaining about boomers right

01:32:01.100 and there was

01:32:02.880 a statistic given in the middle of it

01:32:05.020 I had to look it up to make sure it was accurate

01:32:06.720 but I'm sure you would agree with this

01:32:09.140 or if you don't I'd love to hear why

01:32:10.620 but he was saying that

01:32:12.640 I'd made the argument before that

01:32:14.600 every successful economy

01:32:16.780 right now is basically a mixed capitalist and socialist economy they've all kind of arrived

01:32:22.360 to the exact same sort of economy it's a mix of socialist policies to different degrees but then

01:32:29.400 direct ownership of the government of some industries private companies working hand 0.97

01:32:33.620 in glove like that's what fucking musk is doing with the government as well that's just a fact 0.80

01:32:38.300 yeah and then even china has embraced sort of private investment things like that like they've 0.96

01:32:42.540 kind of just became the same sort of a lot of the critics would call that just straight of neoliberalism

01:32:47.900 neoliberalism is the dominant system but it was comparing healthcare spending in canada and in

01:32:57.180 america and china and this just seemed wild to me because i still operated on the assumption that

01:33:03.980 china was largely communist or significantly communist but it said that america spends i'm

01:33:10.700 just throwing out numbers here but this is the ballpark figure i read it was like america spends

01:33:15.600 like 20 of its gdp towards social spending and health care spending especially for retirement

01:33:22.780 and china spends like five percent yeah and then they said we over here and this is a cultural

01:33:30.920 problem this is kind of what i was getting at where you can look at the dollars and cents of

01:33:34.480 it but that only tells part of the story over there they have a culture where they really want

01:33:39.940 to let old people die and if the old people don't die they almost want to penalize them for hanging 1.00

01:33:45.820 around like if your family isn't taking care of you go live in a fucking cage or die you know i 0.99

01:33:53.600 mean whereas here like we we think it's incumbent on us to support our seniors like way way more 0.99

01:34:00.140 than these other countries do but you think that of course china must have a social safety net of

01:34:05.380 course no it doesn't in fact america probably has the best one in the world oh yeah despite a long

01:34:11.060 shot despite what you might think of america so yeah i was just looking at how different the

01:34:17.500 numbers actually are when you look at them anyway so so he continues here he says unfortunately as

01:34:25.620 we shall see this has been changing at the post-secondary level as we move closer to american

01:34:29.880 policies in some universities and provinces for the most part the public education system in

01:34:35.280 canada is superior to that of the u.s i wouldn't say so anymore that's one of those things where

01:34:41.240 i'm like we just didn't have enough blacks and browns here yeah we're really the public education 0.99

01:34:46.360 system in america sucks because there's just so many non-whites in it and then they're dragging 0.98

01:34:51.260 dragging everyone down that's it's not fair to american teachers or to the american education 0.99

01:34:57.200 system to say that it's inferior no it's it's the material you're working with this is why i don't

01:35:01.780 like a guy like this it's like oh they just don't value education well i mean they do have some of

01:35:06.380 the world's greatest universities and colleges so like how do you square that how do you square 0.99

01:35:11.200 that you're trying to say that america is just dumb they don't care about teaching people 0.98

01:35:15.260 don't care about teaching them math it's like they seem to be the front runners of that for 1.00

01:35:22.400 the longest time so you know i mean like just shut the fuck up this is you can't even engage 0.97

01:35:26.980 with the problem so here's another thing he says canada strongly supports international agreements 0.91

01:35:33.240 to limit world trade and small arms and and the milestone landmines treaty and the new

01:35:40.560 international criminal accord for the prosecution of war criminals that was signed by 139 countries

01:35:45.720 and already ratified by close to 80.

01:35:49.220 The U.S. opposes all of these.

01:35:52.180 So again, to the liberal mind, 0.97

01:35:53.820 to the neoliberal shitlit mind, 0.98

01:35:56.060 signing that treaty means a lot. 0.98

01:35:59.640 There's nothing funnier to me

01:36:01.100 than a very serious, respected man

01:36:04.980 signing his name on a piece of paper

01:36:07.180 that essentially says,

01:36:09.040 we don't like landmines.

01:36:12.880 We're going to work our hardest

01:36:14.360 not to do that anymore.

01:36:15.720 None of this means anything.

01:36:17.940 And I will give America credit, credit where credit is due.

01:36:22.260 Trump has, and others before him, have actually just said,

01:36:25.460 we're not doing it.

01:36:26.700 It doesn't matter.

01:36:28.440 No, we have a new thing you have to sign to prove that we don't like war.

01:36:32.480 Did you hear about this?

01:36:33.940 There's a new war is bad treaty that establishes for 150 companies

01:36:39.580 that war is non-ideal.

01:36:43.060 Will you sign that? 1.00

01:36:44.080 Fuck off. 1.00

01:36:45.720 shut up again there's things to do we don't have time to dilly dally over this shit so like oh well 1.00

01:36:55.320 i guess america just likes uh children with their legs blown off and at this stage in the game 1.00

01:37:02.880 you just say yeah i guess i do i guess you got me i love pregnant children blown up with landmines

01:37:10.740 are we done can i go i'm hanging up again this is this is such a flip from where we were just like 1.00

01:37:18.200 america must be reckoned with it's enough i'd like that america tells these losers to go fuck 1.00

01:37:24.020 themselves and then canada define canada the problem with canada the people like this and 1.00

01:37:29.880 the people that we've been talking about is that they define their worth by how many treaties they

01:37:33.960 sign and how many

01:37:35.740 performative actions

01:37:37.620 they try and not only

01:37:39.880 participate in, but lead.

01:37:42.280 You know what I mean? But that's

01:37:43.700 how you define yourself as a nation.

01:37:48.360 It refused to...

01:37:49.740 Did you hear about this?

01:37:51.540 Did America refuse to join the League of Nations?

01:37:55.060 Uh-oh.

01:37:55.480 The First World War to promote international peace

01:37:57.820 and security. How well did that do?

01:38:01.280 What, hey,

01:38:01.940 League of Nations whatever happened there

01:38:04.320 I can imagine just writing that 1.00

01:38:09.420 they didn't even want to join this fucking 0.99

01:38:11.000 spectacular failure that we all got 0.99

01:38:13.840 duped into joining

01:38:14.920 I mean that should give them some credit of course

01:38:17.940 oh get this 1.00

01:38:20.460 here's why America sucks as well 0.99

01:38:22.000 whereas Canada rushed to 0.99

01:38:24.100 Britain's assistance when the first world

01:38:26.120 war began in 1914

01:38:27.500 it wasn't until 1917

01:38:29.680 that the U.S. finally became involved

01:38:32.040 and when Adolf Hitler

01:38:33.660 was overrunning western, central

01:38:36.000 and southern Europe and slaughtering

01:38:37.720 millions of Jews and others

01:38:39.080 while London was being bombed every night

01:38:41.900 in an egregious display

01:38:44.100 of indifferent isolationism

01:38:45.480 the U.S. waited two years to declare war

01:38:47.720 and did so only after being attacked by Japan

01:38:50.140 in Pearl Harbor in 1941

01:38:51.880 okay so just to

01:38:53.560 address that, why do you think

01:38:55.880 Canada rushed to Britain's assistance?

01:38:59.680 Because they're an ally and we are beholden to them, right?

01:39:06.620 We had to.

01:39:08.340 And America only entered because they were attacked.

01:39:10.940 We only entered to defend Britain because we have to.

01:39:14.820 You know what I mean?

01:39:15.380 We didn't have the ability not to do that.

01:39:16.820 We're part of the Commonwealth.

01:39:18.460 Yeah.

01:39:19.480 But he's acting like a moralistic thing.

01:39:22.080 It's like, okay, well then count up all the wars that Canada didn't jump to participate in.

01:39:28.160 You know what I mean?

01:39:29.340 Yeah.

01:39:29.680 he's a americans keep telling us that we don't spend enough on the military and every time they

01:39:35.700 do the national post and their alliance comrades repeat the accusation and why not spend more

01:39:42.160 forget child poverty forget buying more mris forget more r&d the only thing i agree with

01:39:49.400 is r&d we should put more in r&d but it's like forget buying more rris do we mris we need how 0.98

01:39:54.420 many mris do we need give me a number do we need a hundred shut the fuck up we actually should

01:40:01.060 spend more on the military and we should find a way to spend more on mris but i think maybe we've 0.91

01:40:06.200 got enough forget child poverty there's no such thing as child poverty i don't i deny it i'm a

01:40:12.760 child poverty denialist i think there's impoverished parents and then their children right right

01:40:18.200 look the larger point is there's there's no amount of spending that resolves child poverty

01:40:24.000 right probably a lot of child

01:40:26.100 poverty would be resolved by you

01:40:28.000 reducing spending in other places

01:40:30.160 that have a knock on effect that cause the 0.99

01:40:32.040 fucking child poverty like immigration 0.99

01:40:33.840 for example so 1.00

01:40:35.460 here's one

01:40:36.800 while it's certainly true Canadians have 0.94

01:40:39.960 had our share of bigoted rednecks

01:40:42.360 we've never had anything like 0.50

01:40:43.980 the extent of the prolonged murderous

01:40:45.900 racial violence of the Ku Klux Klan

01:40:47.780 oh man

01:40:48.360 you can tell he's never

01:40:52.140 read about any of this

01:40:53.820 he watched Mississippi Burning

01:40:56.580 one time, he just watched films

01:40:58.000 and it's like, can you believe that these people 1.00

01:41:00.160 dressed up and just wanted to kill black people 1.00

01:41:02.460 probably because they were jealous of them 1.00

01:41:04.160 for dancing so well

01:41:05.380 that's what goes on

01:41:07.040 I said this before

01:41:09.180 I would encourage more people

01:41:12.300 I would encourage more

01:41:14.300 listeners to be boldly

01:41:16.460 confident about 1.00

01:41:18.160 the dumbest shit 1.00

01:41:19.840 because it seems to pay off 1.00

01:41:22.480 in spades

01:41:23.240 like the most successful content career you're about this guy named ian carroll i think we

01:41:27.980 talked to him on the show yeah yeah i see him or like candace owen like a lot of these people

01:41:31.760 like they're supremely confident about their wildly poorly researched stuff you know i mean

01:41:39.380 but they say it with their whole chest and they go out there and they make the clickbait thumbnail

01:41:44.260 and they're just like here's what it is here's the truth they got the truth and i don't even

01:41:49.100 know if they understand it but most of us we don't have the conviction to be so confidently wrong 0.98

01:41:55.500 to just say some dumb shit yeah and just to say a theory like a novelty take you could take a 0.96

01:42:02.400 novelty take which is just something you don't even believe but sounds good like i gotta 1.00

01:42:06.720 interpret hey maybe um maybe all the uh slave owners were spiritually catholic i could just

01:42:14.380 say that you know i mean yeah maybe maybe american slavery has its roots in the vatican

01:42:19.760 there's a thing i just said based on nothing i didn't read that i just said it but what if i

01:42:25.680 just said it louder and what if i went on people's shows and i said it and i just i took it on tour

01:42:30.560 they would say hey look at this guy's got a wild new theory at a certain point it becomes a theory

01:42:37.080 now you just say stuff and then that's how you get invited on shows that's how you get a career

01:42:42.260 right yeah like even a can of someone's like i don't even know if bridget macron's a man

01:42:47.940 you know what i mean i do you i i don't think she is but if you just say it and you can build 0.99

01:42:57.200 it into this other thing you know what i mean you just you just keep saying shit and then it 0.97

01:43:02.000 becomes the thing that you go on tucker carlson and talk about but the same thing with this like 0.97

01:43:08.900 this guy doesn't know anything about

01:43:11.880 what he's talking about, any of these groups

01:43:13.600 but he wrote a book on it

01:43:15.520 and because he wrote a book on it

01:43:17.480 that means you never have to question anything you say

01:43:19.680 look, it's in a book, it's real

01:43:21.760 your thoughts aren't real

01:43:23.740 my thoughts are published

01:43:25.320 so it's in the canon

01:43:27.960 now, it's in a library

01:43:29.200 it's in the civilizational consciousness

01:43:31.240 so I would encourage people

01:43:33.180 be more boldly and confidently

01:43:36.200 wrong

01:43:36.800 don't ever second guess yourself that's where we go wrong we want to be correct you know we want

01:43:44.580 to be right about things where's that godness where's that godness we're gone being right 0.99

01:43:51.280 about shit i'm not richer i haven't seen how tucker carlson's bathroom 0.99

01:43:58.360 you never taken a shit at tux place yeah damn i never held it in for like way too long to 0.99

01:44:07.600 last making a splash on the set of tucker carlson 1.00

01:44:13.440 we're here to meet with dimes and we started 15 minutes ago and he's still not here you can hear

01:44:21.940 he's in the washroom

01:44:23.860 he came in

01:44:26.180 and he didn't see

01:44:27.660 it's all live

01:44:29.260 he ran right past me

01:44:32.440 he's describing

01:44:35.780 you coming into the suit

01:44:37.740 I don't know

01:44:38.920 I'm wearing a cowboy hat

01:44:45.520 I'm clutching a cowboy hat

01:44:46.820 oh no

01:44:48.120 oh man

01:44:50.680 yeah the kkk was awesome um yeah anyway so i i just wanted to give a tour of that

01:44:57.680 briefly and i'm gonna try and squeeze this one in but i liked this one a lot more

01:45:04.960 and i'm not gonna have enough time to talk about this one as much as i would want

01:45:08.960 but it's a relatively short book this book is called freedom wears a crown

01:45:14.420 by John Farley.

01:45:17.880 And I have a copy.

01:45:19.220 This was published, I think, in the 30s, the 1930s.

01:45:22.440 And this is a Canadian author.

01:45:24.740 And he's doing the exact opposite of this

01:45:27.800 because The Vanishing Country, I believe,

01:45:29.760 was published in 2003, right?

01:45:32.520 So we're going back in time.

01:45:34.020 And this is a guy, this was published posthumously,

01:45:37.220 but it's basically on the side of monarchy, right?

01:45:40.700 and what role does monarchy have

01:45:43.280 in the history of Canada

01:45:45.040 and also Canadian identity

01:45:46.280 and I'll say that I went into this

01:45:49.280 expecting more of a

01:45:51.300 political theory

01:45:53.420 about the role of monarchy

01:45:54.940 sort of like you would see

01:45:56.240 in a Hans-Hermann Hoppe

01:45:58.060 explain to me what a monarchy is

01:46:00.440 how it functions

01:46:01.520 and why that is better materialistically

01:46:04.720 or economically

01:46:05.600 he didn't go into that

01:46:06.660 it was a lot more philosophical

01:46:08.180 than I was expecting

01:46:10.240 and i i love the way it was written it was so fascinating and i never heard it

01:46:15.660 explained like this although just to point to hoppa again i always talk about that book

01:46:22.680 democracy the god that failed by hoppa because i was it's a he's a libertarian right and so

01:46:28.740 you'd expect to be this tome of like uh you know laissez-faire capitalism and small government but

01:46:36.040 he made such a good argument for a monarch or maybe not dictator but a singular vision guiding

01:46:44.480 society way more than anyone like him you would expect from and probably better than i've seen it

01:46:51.820 done you know talking about you need an individual for a proper time horizon like to see that far

01:46:59.780 in the future i don't think you can really do that as a group consensus it's just not set up

01:47:05.540 to do that you need you need like that singular focus and anyway and then of course de maester

01:47:11.900 talks about this about you know how society selects for the sovereign and whatnot we've

01:47:17.460 talked about that before but he gets to make this case he goes into british tradition which i think

01:47:25.040 you need to do and he says the british tradition has these two characteristics a king and an organic

01:47:31.940 order interesting nor is it surprising they should go together for a kingdom is essentially an

01:47:38.200 organic order of growth thus the illogical character of british institutions and their

01:47:44.440 tendency to take the middle course can be seen to be perfectly logical but it's the logic of a

01:47:50.000 changing organic order and not that of a fixed system the middle position is not a mere compromise

01:47:56.200 it's essentially a third position when i saw that i perked up i'm like

01:48:00.740 kind of third positionism but i guess third positionism as we know might have borrowed

01:48:05.800 from this but it's not it's a completely different way of looking at and we talked

01:48:10.000 about monarchy before but viewing society as a living organism not as a rigid framework or a

01:48:18.900 machine that is designed just to give you specifically material boons right and even

01:48:27.360 when we talk about Othmar Spahn on his book on corporatism I think he was pointing out that

01:48:32.960 the problem with liberal democracy is that it fractures all the social order that we had that

01:48:38.320 even with um Mike Maxwell he was saying wait what is what it what is a folk way it starts with you

01:48:45.140 know it was a family above community community above tribe tribe above nation nation above race

01:48:52.700 race above you know it goes on like that but if you fraction all that all you have is the individual

01:48:58.620 so you just have a an atomized person who has a one-to-one relationship with the center of power

01:49:04.520 which is a machine and so you have to make all of your demands of that state you can't offload any

01:49:11.620 that to your guild or your family or community or your tribe or your kin network that's all gone

01:49:18.220 so you place intense demands on the state and it can never fucking provide that's what socialism

01:49:23.520 is basically you can never provide everything that's too much right and if you have too many

01:49:28.700 people of course that doesn't even make economic sense so he's talking about more of that organic

01:49:34.600 social order the coalescing of all these different affiliation groups which i i think is true just

01:49:41.220 off the top does that sound yeah i'm ranting a lot here but i think that's that's fair he says

01:49:46.880 canadians of the shallower sort are more and more heard to say that we have come to the end of

01:49:52.720 everything we have known of good and we must now have faith simply in canada's future this is the

01:49:58.380 most sap-headed view of any it is even worse than which is even worse than that which sees us having

01:50:05.620 come to the end of the modern world with no hope but in return to the middle ages that's interesting

01:50:11.040 I like that there, that phrase where he's like,

01:50:13.500 in our historical period, you have people who are saying

01:50:16.340 we can only look towards the progress of the future,

01:50:18.980 or there's the people that we probably know

01:50:21.640 that our salvation can only be found in the Middle Ages.

01:50:25.880 You know, we must go back.

01:50:27.600 He said, what is actually coming to an end

01:50:29.400 is not the modern world that began with the Renaissance

01:50:32.100 and the Reformation, but the modern world

01:50:34.160 that came in with Sir Isaac Newton

01:50:36.180 and his inexorable jaw of gravitation.

01:50:40.020 there's an alternative for canadians to make the reign of elizabeth the second another elizabethan

01:50:46.440 age and so i like when you know he's not talking about monarchy in the abstract for most of it he's

01:50:52.100 talking about like what era should we because this is the thing when you're living in the present

01:50:58.800 moment as contradictory as it might seem you're also trying to have it a different time period so

01:51:04.880 people living in the present are trying to inhabit the past a lot of time or as many liberals do

01:51:11.120 they're trying to have it the future what they see the future as so his question is like what time

01:51:16.240 period do you want to use as your frame of reference to inform what we're living now and

01:51:21.840 maybe in the near future and he gives he says the elizabethan age that's what he likes he says that's

01:51:29.440 where we as

01:51:31.340 British subjects

01:51:33.280 can draw power

01:51:35.300 from that exists beyond democracy.

01:51:37.760 It's something more

01:51:39.380 substantial. Okay. Interesting.

01:51:41.580 At least he's specific. I appreciate

01:51:43.300 the specificity

01:51:44.440 of it.

01:51:47.740 He says,

01:51:48.720 we are the fortunate heirs of the greatest

01:51:51.100 and richest tradition in the life of man.

01:51:53.380 We need only to claim our heritage.

01:51:55.280 Since the reign of Elizabeth,

01:51:56.920 I was precisely

01:51:59.140 since the reign of elizabeth the first was precisely the time both of the reformation

01:52:05.940 and the renaissance in england the realization of any new elizabethan age must consist

01:52:10.880 in our coming to see the meaning of the other and carrying its work forward so

01:52:16.820 look at an interesting premise right like what's the best what's the best time let's let's revisit

01:52:23.100 of that so he continues on here he says the three principles of king law and people are fully

01:52:30.600 resolved in the ideal of the king in parliament quite as the american constitution revolves the

01:52:37.800 ideal of law and people with the republican and democratic parties keeping watch over each other's

01:52:42.860 principles as a people we are now living only on our capital proclaiming that we renounce our

01:52:49.100 traditions and yet continuing to pride ourselves on the lingering and fast being dissipated fruits

01:52:55.820 of these same traditions so again written writing from the 30s i was just surprised at how

01:53:03.940 so easily readable it is and how direct it was and how as unfortunate as this may seem

01:53:10.280 how much things remain the same like this is all perfectly applicable to 20 2025

01:53:18.000 and I'm sure if you said that to him

01:53:21.560 he would have killed himself

01:53:23.780 he continues on here

01:53:27.240 he says

01:53:27.500 it is there that our difficulty lies

01:53:29.580 the argument that we ought not to cut ourselves

01:53:32.080 off from our past

01:53:32.880 though surely at most times valid

01:53:34.920 has lately been all but helpless

01:53:37.700 in the face of this widespread belief

01:53:39.360 in a supposedly inevitable

01:53:41.480 democratic movement

01:53:43.120 a belief further strengthened by the pure

01:53:45.880 Canada cult

01:53:46.880 whose peculiar object of worship is the future

01:53:50.440 and whose substantiating doctrine conceives all history

01:53:54.100 as but a sequence of change

01:53:56.080 and as such, without a suggestion of either growth or development.

01:54:00.700 And I like that.

01:54:01.200 That's something we've always come back to,

01:54:03.320 the idea of Canada being changed

01:54:05.720 or we've ever been as changed.

01:54:07.300 And so we must embody change and tolerance.

01:54:11.720 And this guy could see the problem coming.

01:54:15.300 You know, just this almost paradoxical idea that you can define yourself presently as your love of the future.

01:54:23.860 You know what I mean?

01:54:24.860 People still do that to this day.

01:54:28.380 He goes on here.

01:54:29.480 The question facing the Canadian people is twofold.

01:54:33.000 Whether we shall know and develop a true idea of social order in Canada and whether as a people we shall then take our true place in the life of the world.

01:54:43.200 These two questions are indivisible.

01:54:45.300 One of the manifest faults of our present pure Canada cult is that the whole idea of nationalistic independence belongs to an age that is now and very rarely in its death throes.

01:54:57.480 It's not new. It belongs to the 18th century and was appropriate enough for the United States when they declared their independence but has no place in the world of which we are entering.

01:55:06.540 for we cannot exist and chart our course through history as if Karl Marx had never lived and led

01:55:12.180 the world in revolt against all such ideas of independence it's not enough that we affirm an

01:55:17.960 independence based on geography and then agitate ourselves with the desire to be of importance in

01:55:23.380 the world and so I don't know what I really like about this is he's not he's almost trying to

01:55:28.000 remove us from the conversation of sovereignty through first of all not sovereignty through

01:55:34.320 democracy of course but then sovereignty through nationalism or nationalism as the sort of

01:55:41.600 state construct he's trying to say what we're really trying to return to and people talk about

01:55:46.560 this all the time like what is you know the essence of society it's not just the government

01:55:52.560 because we can change the government but it won't necessarily change the people he's trying to be

01:55:57.120 like what is social order is that what you want do you want a good state or do you want social order

01:56:03.280 well we can define that and maybe that's only achievable if you have something in his opinion

01:56:10.140 the king in parliament so you would still have the parliament of course you would have the king

01:56:14.540 it would be a canadian king it wouldn't just be the british king and you could work that into the

01:56:19.700 system we have right now but you cannot have an absentee king i think that that's such an

01:56:25.680 interesting idea to reconcile to get people on the same page like what do you really want

01:56:32.520 what do you want is it just prosperity is it just money i don't think that's what most people want

01:56:38.880 they want to live the good life and i think we need to remind people of what's at stake and what

01:56:44.480 they really want it's you want to leave a good life you want it's safety we talk about this all

01:56:49.580 the time in different terminology but high trust society might be one or a safe society or you know

01:56:56.780 we're just complaining whatever the opposite of izat is whatever the opposite of these deceitful

01:57:04.440 games the rest of the world plays in every interaction we want a place where we can trust

01:57:09.580 our neighbor where we have space to grow space to thrive a place that people actually want to

01:57:16.160 have a family of seven kids it's not just treated as a new type of war it's not natal warfare that's

01:57:23.560 we talk about it right now you need to have nine kids for the race war you need to have

01:57:28.200 seven kids because you need you need bio capital for the horrible future that's coming no one's

01:57:36.600 even talking about do you want to have just have seven kids because you love your

01:57:40.360 people and you love your country and that's just a natural consequence of what happens

01:57:45.880 how do you get that well you need this this essence of social order which you can't arrive

01:57:50.200 about from like the top down not really like you need to completely change the system you can't

01:57:55.720 you can't get there through liberal democracy is what he's saying so it's like what outside of

01:58:02.120 democracy can you do and then you need something you need to understand what the idea of a monarch

01:58:07.720 is because no one can really comprehend it outside like dictator or tyrant or little man in a crown

01:58:15.960 they've never seen it represented what a true king actually was because in a true kingdom

01:58:22.840 it wouldn't operate like the neoliberal state which is just you know a socialism machine

01:58:29.400 connected to a deracinated atomized people it's implied that in this new social order

01:58:35.640 it was an ecosystem of relationships and kid networks and stuff that the the modern didn't

01:58:42.520 really have a direct access to you know i mean like he would have no need to anyway what do you

01:58:50.040 think about all that um yeah just explain no no i mean absolutely it's funny hearing it from

01:58:55.960 a liberal but also we're talking about a liberal from almost a century ago so yeah um

01:59:02.920 i know we gotta get going soon so i'm just gonna read a couple more parts here because i want to

01:59:06.280 make sure i do it justice i really like this book i would recommend it's very difficult to find um

01:59:11.800 or at least it was for me a great many of these canadian books that i really like

01:59:18.120 they're not widely spread i think there might be a reprint of it somewhere but like

01:59:22.440 it's it's really hard to find pdfs it's really hard to find like easy access to this stuff

01:59:30.840 the social good is not regarded as the simple result of merely adding together the differing

01:59:35.880 amounts of happiness acquired by a mass of individuals each pursuing the greatest amount

01:59:41.160 of happiness for himself in a basic independence of his fellows. It is rather, if implicitly,

01:59:48.400 recognized that a government is able to make its own distinctive contribution to the good life of

01:59:52.960 its people by ensuring the maintenance of general social condition, conducive rather than detrimental

01:59:58.680 to the realization of that life. Thus, in the traditional Canadian or British view, society is

02:00:05.080 not a number of basically independent individuals it is rather a community of persons bound together

02:00:11.220 by a common spirit of loyalty in an essentially unitary society the role of government is not

02:00:17.700 conceived in terms of a law to ensure the natural liberty or basic independence of each citizen

02:00:24.200 i think that's important because i think a lot of canadian identity got confused with american

02:00:31.800 identity and it's true to say that american identity was founded on individual liberty

02:00:37.560 all that stuff they talk about and i think canadians think that canada was founded the

02:00:42.660 same way and it absolutely was not uh we have a different government for a reason but it was it

02:00:48.640 was never really about individual liberty like that or natural liberty or basic independence

02:00:54.980 of each citizen so i i think the main argument he's making is that this thing he's talking about

02:01:01.620 is easier to sell to the canadian people at least back then i don't know if it works now considering

02:01:09.060 how many provinces or how many movements there are in canada trying to join with america 51st

02:01:17.300 state movement or alberta separation or whatever it might be right and this is why i think it's

02:01:23.460 so important for canadians to rediscover look we want to rediscover what makes us different than

02:01:30.020 americans first of all second of all we need to understand the history of our adversarial

02:01:38.780 relationship with america yes i'm not saying we need to remain there we don't need to stay stuck

02:01:43.880 there we should figure out a way to reconcile that and move forward because i actually think

02:01:48.100 we have more in common than we have different but i think this is important figuring out

02:01:53.540 understanding that we can't

02:01:56.140 be Americans that's not in us

02:01:57.920 culturally but if not that then what

02:02:00.040 I think a lot of people are looking for the

02:02:02.160 answer to that 0.99

02:02:02.920 we feel as if we're not Americans but what the fuck are we 0.98

02:02:06.160 well I think at the very least 0.99

02:02:08.360 this

02:02:09.820 points to a solution and it might

02:02:12.120 not be the one that people want to hear

02:02:13.820 but I think it presents

02:02:16.240 a definition of

02:02:18.100 the social order that

02:02:20.040 is separate from the American

02:02:21.960 conceptualization of social order and it it redirects us to like define what it is that

02:02:29.480 we actually want society because i don't think it's individual liberty if not that then what

02:02:33.880 how what is the canadian good life that's a very good question that's a question no one is asking

02:02:40.840 what does our good life look like can we define it you don't even say utopia i prefer not to

02:02:46.360 speak in those terms because that implies you know a sense of like power and resources just

02:02:53.240 say the good life what's the ideal life of a canadian and what's that social order look like

02:03:00.840 what's the day-to-day life look like you know anyway so i think you probably more or less agree

02:03:07.800 with that yeah no for sure as we've said before the our understanding of how a monarchy actually

02:03:14.200 operated was that it wasn't that the yes a monarch can be tyrannical so can a democratically elected

02:03:21.160 president as we've seen like there is no system to prevent really corruption and tyranny and this

02:03:27.560 is why i don't reject the populist solution in the sense that it is possible for a population

02:03:35.560 to revolts it is possible for a population to exert pressure enough to you know overthrow

02:03:43.000 a system like that has happened and you know it's not just that the tyrant can do whatever he wants

02:03:50.040 all the time some people believe that or some people believe that's not only how it works but

02:03:54.040 that is the perfect version of that system he says i'm just going to end it here he says

02:04:01.960 because the monarchical idea involves recognition of order within historical change that's what we

02:04:08.280 started with it's impossible for it to accept the newtonian idea of natural law supreme and

02:04:14.440 unchanging interesting within this you know monarchical idea it's a rejection of natural law

02:04:21.560 or the idea of inalienable rights for all men so it's almost is mounting a case against

02:04:29.880 universalism or the universalization of ethics and morality which is one com if not the only

02:04:36.920 complain about liberalism is that it tries to export and universalize itself but it's more

02:04:42.040 about trying to exist within change as an organism the good life existing within a changing world

02:04:49.640 as an evolving and changing organism not a rigid set of rules that we think can withstand change

02:04:57.680 because it never can that's a completely different way of looking at the problem which i i never

02:05:02.940 really heard described like that before he says the primary question for every democracy is what

02:05:08.780 is it that a people at the bottom respects is it mere power or the power required to enforce

02:05:14.620 its will wherever it may be or is it an idea of some true or good kind which all wish to realize

02:05:21.420 in their life together as a nation political authority is something quite distinct

02:05:26.220 from political power as the idea of man involves much more than the will of man so the idea of

02:05:31.740 authority involves much more than power. And I would, you know, put that to many of the elite

02:05:39.420 theorists out there. Those who prostrate themselves in worship of the will of the people

02:05:44.540 may thereby gain power to tear down and destroy, but they can never by any such means create an

02:05:49.940 enduring substitute for what you destroy. And we've discussed that before, the nature of

02:05:55.080 revolutions or even a martin gurry his book or both of the public said the the public they can

02:06:02.080 criticize and tear down but it can never replace what it tears down yeah the pure power machine

02:06:08.780 which this country now has fastened upon it at the bequest of william lyon mackenzie king

02:06:14.100 often seeks to dignify itself by an appeal to public opinion but opinion good or bad is not

02:06:20.460 the dominant factor in our present government

02:06:22.500 setup. For when the opinion

02:06:23.980 which is to govern need only possess the

02:06:26.440 numerical justification of a majority

02:06:28.560 opinion, it loses all

02:06:30.360 essential life. He's basically talking about

02:06:32.280 you're more

02:06:34.480 in love with the data and the numbers.

02:06:36.760 I've got the most check marks

02:06:38.440 on the ballot, so it's

02:06:40.360 numeracy, but it's not actually

02:06:42.540 taking the temperature

02:06:44.220 of the will of the people, which is

02:06:46.200 far more difficult to do, but

02:06:48.400 that's removed from the conversation entirely.

02:06:50.460 so that that's where you can get lost in the weeds on stats that don't seem to add up and

02:06:55.760 everything that's because you're not doing what you're supposed to do as a leader which is like

02:07:00.540 understand your people understand the mood of the nation understand what their real desires are

02:07:05.160 like right now would obviously be mass migration obviously but you know there's still this is why

02:07:12.040 the left has failed because they think you know what i actually think it's about universal health

02:07:15.800 care you know what i think it's it's it's about uh more free lunches for kids like that's because

02:07:23.380 you've been reading too many stats you can't look at you can't look at this from a more ancient

02:07:30.060 perspective which is what we at least can do you know viewing these in terms of forces and wills

02:07:36.960 and spaces occupied it's spatialized we can have a far more dynamic spatialized understanding

02:07:44.260 of how power flows we can have an ecosystem of change but that is completely lost on our enemies

02:07:52.200 anyway we've gone on long enough um at the this at the end of this what do you think yes yes

02:08:01.780 absolutely man bring it get into both sides here of the uh of the monarchist argument which i am

02:08:09.520 in favor of so happy to hear it i think the next consequential multi-generational

02:08:18.220 great man will emerge from canada yeah let's end with that i'm not going to elaborate on that

02:08:25.760 the next pole pot the next ball one of the guys one of the good guys one of the good guys is

02:08:35.120 gonna be canadian and he's gonna show up and billions must die is what they'll say they'll 1.00

02:08:42.180 say oh billions can't die how many it's gonna be billions and he's gonna rape 0.99

02:08:48.340 he's gonna he's gonna rape his way to mars i'm very tired all right so 0.78

02:08:56.180 we gotta head out thank you so much for taking the time no worries man it's been good see ya 0.73

02:09:00.500 welcome back to the nautical chronicle i'm the uh the host of this show uh clausington and i'm

02:09:22.860 joined by two friendly neighbors to the north how's it going yeah yeah i i just had to check

02:09:33.400 that uh i i don't know what what it is but something about reading about how i guess

02:09:41.320 uh upper canada and lower canada are geographically reversed like you'd expect

02:09:48.140 upper canada to be the north but it's it's in the south i i and we sell our milk in bags too

02:09:56.480 yeah so how's it going dimes how's it going fort well too bad it's going good am i correct in that

02:10:06.620 this is the lead-in to pony express radio did i hear that right so there there used to be a few

02:10:14.040 different um miscellaneous um i guess sort of i guess how would i say um pre-game shows i know

02:10:25.380 paul fairnight had you know two episodes of a pony express live or pony express radio um

02:10:32.160 show for like uh months and months ago although that kind of fizzled out um

02:10:40.900 um so i i just kind of picked up the habit initially i just wanted an excuse to chat with

02:10:47.940 uh you know guys that uh i'm quite fond of online while putting together you know various model

02:10:54.780 ships hence the knuckle chronicle well i tell you what i don't see this as any leading show to me

02:11:00.980 this is the main event pony express radio i'm thinking pony x girlfriends radio right no no

02:11:08.300 Hold on. As something of a founder and central committee chairman, I can't exactly – I will not tolerate these assaults from the North.

02:11:20.220 Let's be – just to make it official, that is not Pony X Girlfriend Radio.

02:11:26.040 That is – okay, yes. And you keep this up and we'll invade you a third time.

02:11:32.680 Well, apparently reading the news – and maybe this will be – we'll touch on this later on.

02:11:38.300 that uh the pleas for annexation from the north are very big right now and that's a story that's

02:11:46.420 been pretty consistent even pre-confederation of canada so if you were to invade and start war

02:11:53.360 like i don't know how like half of alberta would be into it i don't know what the exact numbers are

02:11:58.760 but it's looking grim yeah i have no clue how i guess it's how how

02:12:07.000 like who is actually in favor of annexation it's it's it seems like the you have to be a very be a

02:12:17.200 very um very odd canadian to yes especially an odd sort of right-wing canadian to want

02:12:25.620 uh american annexation after all as we're going to lead up to um as we're going to discuss

02:12:34.080 canada is something of i mean i i wouldn't necessarily say that's ideologically founded

02:12:43.600 on being anti-american i would say that

02:12:48.260 being opposed to american annexation is core to the founding mythos

02:12:54.940 um and that's part part of the reason why i uh i wanted to chat about the war of 1812 with you

02:13:02.400 guys because i guess there's a certain there are two american wars that people kind of

02:13:09.820 forget about you know two forgotten wars there's the war of 1812 and the korean war

02:13:15.120 um you know both get you know a few minutes of uh discussion in american high schools

02:13:24.340 during history classes and uh not too too much else um my impression is that the war of 1812 is

02:13:34.100 a much more seminal conflict for the canadians where you guys get to you know you guys have a

02:13:43.440 few great victories to to boast about many great heroes um and it's the final attempt from the u.s

02:13:53.040 to officially or i guess i guess meaningfully annex canada uh after that the border is somewhat

02:14:01.640 solidified um and hasn't budged too too much since uh excluding the far western you know

02:14:09.840 uh territories which yeah so first off i'm kind of curious how exactly like you know americans

02:14:22.320 we have you know 15 minutes of discussion in history class about war of 1812 the brits

02:14:28.640 don't even don't even think about it how how widely covered is war in i guess canadian

02:14:37.160 high schools or at least what's your impression of it dimes uh i think your experience may be a

02:14:43.180 little bit different from mine so please uh you know you can go ahead oh yeah so we were talking

02:14:47.900 about this just before we went live that both myself and four sacks i think have essentially

02:14:52.840 different viewpoints and by essentially i mean that he was brought up in quebec and i was in

02:14:57.840 ontario and if you're in canada that will seem very very significant to american audiences it

02:15:03.240 probably doesn't matter but i think the quebec perspective is very is going to be very different

02:15:09.860 and the uh heroes that focuses on just to answer your question um and i'm old as shit so it was

02:15:16.980 hard for me to recall precisely what we were taught in high school i do know that 1812 was a massive

02:15:23.160 part of our high school history classes as was the boer war uh there was a lot of the boer war

02:15:30.580 which i i doubt was ever covered in american history classes but yeah the war of 1812

02:15:35.480 very very important uh furthermore i think it sits very high in the it's very top of mind for

02:15:44.120 canadians um just in terms of quick recall because they can say oh that's when we burned down the

02:15:49.440 white house you'll still see that brought up to this day um which was just one minor aspect of

02:15:56.900 it most people don't have a thorough understanding of the war as most people don't have thorough

02:16:01.300 understandings of most wars but uh as i'm sure you're going to show that map that you drew that

02:16:06.240 i find very impressive um and anyone who's got an understanding of the american revolution as i'm

02:16:10.560 sure many of your viewers do um it's not just this block of a country it was very very messy it was

02:16:17.780 it was like fractals it was very dynamic but and the borders were very blurry and so one thing to

02:16:24.720 keep in mind is that war of 1812 is pre-confederation pre-confederation of canada which i believe

02:16:29.960 top of my head was like 1861 so that's when you start seeing the unification of this thing called

02:16:37.040 canada prior to that it was you know british north america and quebec who were really the originators

02:16:45.060 of the word canadians as i'm sure ford or sacks will back up but uh so when canadians say we

02:16:50.840 burned down the white house as canadians it's not accurate you could say the british and if

02:16:57.900 you're a british loyalist you could say that too but um a lot long story short it's it's a big part

02:17:04.820 of the canadian mythology and it's covered quite a bit in high school and there's landmarks

02:17:10.280 everywhere and just we were talking about this even in the weeks leading up to the show

02:17:15.100 So I believe, Clossington, this was started by you were taking a vacation or some kind of excursion to the border areas and you start seeing references to the war.

02:17:26.040 Is that correct?

02:17:27.360 So that came about when I was in Erie.

02:17:31.980 I have various construction jobs going on up in Erie.

02:17:37.860 so naturally i have to check out the erie maritime the erie maritime museum which

02:17:46.080 this is the uh a replica of oliver hazard perry's uh flagship uh uss niagara

02:17:55.420 um it used to be in port but now it's out in maine getting some some getting some repairs

02:18:02.700 um but yeah i i am out in erie every once in a while and erie is one of the i guess one of the

02:18:13.340 three or four big things that you know students are taught about the war of 1812 in america

02:18:19.220 um i guess in american high schools we're taught um war hawks uh drumming up war against the

02:18:29.280 british uh we're taught about you know failed a failed um invasion of canada uh really emphasizes

02:18:38.920 um you know battle of lake erie emphasizes um burning of the white house and the national

02:18:46.560 anthem and then uh battle of new orleans and that's just about it um but yeah i was going

02:18:56.880 just add to that and i'm trying to paint a picture for the american listeners here that in ontario

02:19:02.480 where i'm at you will see the word loyalist everywhere uh loyalists it's on streets it's

02:19:09.840 on schools it's on buildings and if you're just brought up in it you might not even know what

02:19:13.920 that means but what that meant is british loyalist and so which is to say that the conflict between

02:19:22.160 the british and america is everywhere you are if you start paying attention to it and thinking

02:19:27.120 about it so to your earlier point the war of 1812 is but one historical flashpoint that i think

02:19:35.920 encapsulates a very long-standing tension between the north and the south uh not only militaristically

02:19:43.760 but you know culturally too insofar as you know we want to be that's what loyalist implies and i

02:19:49.440 I think I've spoken long enough, so I'm sure Fortisax has much more to say.

02:19:53.420 Sure.

02:19:55.180 I would, you know, I'd start by saying, like, I'd second a lot of what Dimes says.

02:20:00.580 The thing with the War of 1812 is that it's kind of been, it's been very diluted.

02:20:06.040 It's been kind of turned into this Reddit gold.

02:20:09.020 We did it, Reddit.

02:20:10.280 We burnt down the White House.

02:20:12.260 And, like, that's the only thing that a Canadian can tell you about the War of 1812.

02:20:18.020 They don't know who Laura Secord is. They don't know who Isaac Brock was. They couldn't tell you about the military genius of Isaac Brock. They couldn't tell you that Ontarians had spent the preceding 50 years since the American Revolution forming military sanctuaries, all in southern Ontario, specifically in the anticipation of American invasion, and that they were drilled.

02:20:44.040 and there was no separation between citizen and soldier basically everybody was a minute man

02:20:48.640 like a kind of loyalist minute man john graves simcoe built the infrastructure of southern

02:20:53.760 ontario uh on military logic the times the the towns and all the townies were were and the

02:21:00.340 highways and all of this were built along that's for the ease of uh transportation of soldiers

02:21:07.040 and equipment and so on and so forth in quebec they kind of skim over a lot of the

02:21:12.160 Anglo aspect of it. But they do focus on Isaac Brock's counterpart, who is Charles de Salaberry.

02:21:20.660 And de Salaberry was in the French colonial army before he was recruited into the British-led

02:21:26.540 armed forces. And he is known for his amazing victory in the Battle of Chattagy, where they

02:21:32.120 fooled the Americans into thinking they were outnumbered and retreated, promptly. And if not

02:21:37.220 for that victory the americans may have taken southern quebec and moved on to uh to um to take

02:21:43.420 the rest of it they didn't so of course the difference is that salivary didn't die um salivary

02:21:48.960 was leading the voltigers who are this kind of asymmetrical asymmetrical military force like

02:21:55.060 skilled in ambushes and guerrilla tactics and um very north american style fighting not not so much

02:22:01.560 line uh line infantry line battles the way they did in europe well also quebec was a massive

02:22:08.480 target like benedict arnold invaded quebec well that's because in quebec there was the only

02:22:14.440 infrastructure in canada was basically in in montreal in quebec city so like this is long

02:22:20.200 before the city of york kind of rose to become toronto um you know there were towns and settlements

02:22:25.880 in southern ontario but nothing to the size or or the population of of the previously inhabited

02:22:31.680 you know quebec which was like 80 000 people 70 000 people at that point so yeah like uh when i

02:22:39.340 when i really got into i guess the statistics of what canada actually looked like um the the

02:22:46.940 number thrown around is that lower canada sort of modern day quebec had roughly uh it's around

02:22:54.340 350 000 ish people and upper canada marinday ontario uh had roughly 80 000 ish you know give

02:23:04.680 or take uh plus about 100 000 around the uh the seaborne you know eastern um provinces

02:23:14.740 the maritimes yeah yeah the maritimes uh by comparison the u.s had about

02:23:22.100 uh about seven seven and a half million people um and just like canada uh we had

02:23:31.500 militias where every man between the ages of like 18 and 60 had to uh drill with his

02:23:40.100 local militia company every month like once a month or once a quarter uh drilling on how to

02:23:47.260 respond to indian raids uh because there are a lot of indians out here and the thing about indians

02:23:56.180 is um if you make a treat if a chief makes a treaty and that chief dies his son isn't on the

02:24:04.900 hook legally to abide by these trees so we we end up with is a bunch of raiding we call that indian

02:24:11.840 dying yeah um but so i i also um i don't mean to interrupt you i also wanted to say there's a

02:24:20.880 misconception i think on both the canadian and the american side um that this was a predominantly

02:24:27.300 british-led war while it's true that the military leadership were british like obviously brock was

02:24:32.700 from guernsey he was from the island of guernsey the actual soldiers doing the fighting were native

02:24:37.780 born loyalists like as in they were north americans who had been there for at least 200 years

02:24:42.820 since the mayflower so you know when they say well it wasn't it wasn't canadians who burned

02:24:48.460 down the white house that's not exactly accurate it's not entirely true but it's not exactly

02:24:52.880 accurate well before we get into i guess the the course of the war uh let's get into i guess some

02:25:03.020 of the the backstory on how the war actually got started and i guess the canadian perspective on

02:25:09.660 i guess what would you say american predation or oh 100 1812 might as well have been maybe a

02:25:20.420 tuesday for the united states for canada it was a total existential struggle it was a total war

02:25:28.140 I'm talking like, so you have this Anglican Tory elite in Upper Canada who had regrouped from 1776, and they're out for blood, they're out for revenge, their struggle against revolutionary fervor, which they refer to as the age of madness and the age of reason, continued unabashed.

02:25:54.180 they had national schools that were tied to this anglican oligarchy they were called the family

02:25:59.520 compact and they were basically landed gentry and all but named they tried to even recreate the

02:26:04.340 the uh landed gentry system of the united kingdom in ontario problem is they didn't have any landed

02:26:10.820 noblemen like actual uh knighted men who who sort of rose through the ranks of becoming counts and

02:26:16.760 dukes and whatever um and they were deeply reactionary they were deeply obsessed with

02:26:21.540 idea of loyalty and loyalism and there's a misconception that loyalism is simply blind

02:26:26.820 loyalty to the institution of the british crown and this is wrong loyalism ended up evolving

02:26:32.100 into this entire counter-revolutionary ideology that was very reactionary in a way very similar

02:26:38.820 to your dixies i would say very similar to your uh cavaliers in the southeast um who rejected

02:26:47.060 yankee industry and and uh and and liberalism yeah and also another note is that the demographics

02:26:55.080 during this whole period are very interesting and that you had a lot of americans that resided

02:26:59.900 in these what we call canadian territories and there was a lot of british loyalists that were

02:27:05.140 in america so another way to understand the loyalist phenomenon is so many of the loyalists

02:27:10.860 were chased into canada because they were being dispossessed and like literally tarred and

02:27:18.140 feathered in america there's this great book i'm sure you're familiar with the true history of the

02:27:22.780 american revolution by sydney george fisher um i know the american revolution heads out there will

02:27:29.660 have heard of it but that's why there was so much animosity towards america because you had these

02:27:36.860 what were effectively british refugees coming into canada and saying like i i hate america

02:27:43.340 because they killed my family because they killed my family they seized my property they 0.97

02:27:48.380 fucking desecrated my church and like there's a huge uh and this is probably the most esoteric 0.97

02:27:54.460 aspect of 1776 and the war of 1812 a lot of this was heavily religiously motivated with the and 0.99

02:28:01.820 i'm pulling from robert passfield who is a great scholar on this subject he wrote the upper canadian

02:28:06.860 anglican tory mind and torian toryism in upper canada and so um these loyalists viewed themselves

02:28:15.380 as being part of a holy war they viewed themselves as as being the sword of the church of england

02:28:20.460 against what they called the dissenting ministers specifically the puritans they hated puritans

02:28:27.800 they hated massachusetts they blamed massachusetts for even starting the american revolutionary war

02:28:33.760 um and so they viewed this this intentional separation of the church of of england uh

02:28:40.320 under heretical terms so there's a there's a vicious sectarian uh elements to this whole thing

02:28:46.580 too that has been totally washed away um by time in history uh that i find very fascinating and

02:28:52.980 another thing just i feel like this is all painting a picture but i think it's an essential

02:28:56.660 picture at the time to contextualize this is that my reading of the history was that the colonies

02:29:03.640 and if you pay attention to the period this was occurring in you know there's a lot of stuff going

02:29:08.700 on in europe at the time but it felt that the british colonies and especially the french

02:29:15.200 colonies weren't taken too seriously by their homelands and didn't get a lot of material

02:29:20.960 support and i think this is what drove uh those in quebec and new france to become we are canadians

02:29:28.660 like we are a distinct people and i think that that i think for sex you yourself have made the

02:29:34.900 case correct me if i'm wrong that you know this this thing called canada really originated in

02:29:40.580 quebec um and that sort of momentum and i think that also created many pressures what for us

02:29:48.740 i was just describing the pressure from militia because you got the sense that no help was coming

02:29:54.580 and i remember there's this quote from even here like voltaire had some quotes about okay and he

02:30:00.820 was just dismissing the region of quebec saying it's a couple of acres of frozen tundra like over

02:30:06.820 in france didn't give they didn't give a what was going on over here so if you were over here

02:30:10.740 it's like you need to carve this out yourself and i think it's why we needed it's why we needed

02:30:15.620 state mandated girlfriends yeah with it was it the field something yeah state mandated gfs for

02:30:23.620 everyone i recall that's more of a french skill issue than anything else

02:30:28.400 look nobody wanted to have kids in this frozen wasteland right which is fair okay it's it's 0.98

02:30:36.400 negative 40 44 i didn't know you could use mods for child rearing i didn't know you could fucking 0.96

02:30:43.180 download shit um so yeah in another thing i think klaus you'll find very fascinating is that 0.92

02:30:50.740 and you even see you see parallels to this in in modernity um because the population around 1812 0.97

02:30:59.760 was like one-third loyalist one-third late loyalists who were actually just americans

02:31:05.220 and one-third british emigres or settlers uh the tory oligarchy was scared they were scared

02:31:13.060 they were terrified of and suspicious of subversion of infiltration of republicans

02:31:19.560 coming in liberals trying to change these the this so-called sanctuary that they had established

02:31:25.000 um this monarchical christian sanctuary against the the all-consuming mass of liberal republicanism

02:31:33.400 and they made it into a public cult um they sponsored celebrations of royal anniversaries

02:31:38.600 they built monuments to loyalist heroes they ensured that churches and schools reinforced

02:31:44.360 monarchism and only read the the anglican bible and um this they would make citizens prove their

02:31:52.920 loyalty and proving loyalty meant like affirm affirming publicly their their loyalism their

02:31:58.440 loyalty to anti-revolutionary ideals um loyalty to the church and crown the whole the the phrase

02:32:04.920 that passfield uses is thrown an altar they were obsessed with this phrase thrown an altar um and

02:32:11.480 they would it was it's like they'd test they would test the public you'd go out you'd accuse somebody

02:32:16.120 of not being sufficiently loyalist he would face this public humiliation ritual where he now has

02:32:21.240 to like prove how loyalist he is um in a way that's that parallels in ironically in some ways

02:32:26.920 perhaps uh elements of of the patriot movement or or even the french revolution it was very much a

02:32:33.480 counter revolution not in that it was a reactionary thing but trying to throw your own revolution and

02:32:39.640 And as Dimes said, that sense of abandonment wasn't just felt by the French.

02:32:44.960 It was also felt by the Tories, because in the Revolutionary War, the British officers didn't really care about the loyalists.

02:32:51.840 They thought the loyalists were unreliable because the loyalists would often go AWOL.

02:32:56.740 They would try to get their land and property back.

02:32:59.120 They would target specific patriot militias.

02:33:02.120 They would break ranks and seek revenge, things like this.

02:33:05.400 But ultimately, they didn't care.

02:33:06.780 They thought that Canada was a backwater.

02:33:08.740 and uh and france just didn't invest in it and so and i'll end my plane on this and we can move on

02:33:15.460 uh as we set up this this picture the anglican tories of upper canada viewed themselves as

02:33:21.680 um more hardcore than britain they thought that britain had grown soft with whigs with with

02:33:28.160 liberalism and so they would outdo them they would outdo them at their own traditions they

02:33:32.720 would become the sword of the empire this kind of um aggressive reactionary um conservatism if the

02:33:39.800 british would not stand and fight against this this scourge this plague of liberal republicanism

02:33:46.000 then they would do it and they'd be you know well yeah i just want to say it's it's very important

02:33:50.780 they just said that i'm sorry to just i feel like we're building a picture but it's also to answer

02:33:55.500 your initial question of how it's taught in schools because in my recollection it's taught

02:34:02.580 as like it was british versus america as as if it was just another front in the american rev like

02:34:10.320 the american revolution is the main story and then this is just a part of britain's pushback

02:34:15.800 you mean the napoleonic wars yeah and and also like what what foresack said which is that

02:34:21.620 these two things first of all those fighting against america weren't just british soldiers

02:34:28.960 that are brought in they'd been living here for quite some if you go back into the the founding

02:34:33.380 the building of the maps of canada from jacques cartier and champlain and and many others and

02:34:40.940 carving out these trading posts and these people have been settled here for quite some time but

02:34:45.760 on top of that and this is never brought up it's everything fortisacs just said about the the not

02:34:52.160 an ideological but a spiritual war like the the each side was fundamentally opposed to the other

02:34:58.720 and that's not taught in schools at all from what i can remember it's almost seen as just a historical

02:35:04.480 quirk or it's it's materialistic or it's about territory but it's it's so much deeper than that

02:35:10.400 and that's why that as far as actually just establishing the roots of the war there

02:35:15.200 and it goes right into the core of canadian identity and i don't think that's ever been

02:35:19.280 resolved um and that's why it's still somewhat ongoing um what what i am kind of curious about

02:35:27.440 is how i guess the indian allies of the british during this war are portrayed uh

02:35:35.360 Like, in terms of justification for the War of 1812, there's the, most schools emphasize, you know, American sailors being impressed onto British naval ships.

02:35:57.960 But what's often downplayed was the tenacity of Tecumseh's Rebellion, the Red Stick War, and the complicity of the British in supplying arms and guidance for the massacre of many American settlers.

02:36:20.920 uh but i'm not sure how it's taught in schools in in canada where we're not taught much at all

02:36:31.060 uh about this aspect in america no and the canadian government would not go this angle

02:36:37.240 in teaching the actual history of the war of 1812 because the implications are just too severe

02:36:42.420 for the cultural revolution and the institutions that have been established since the 60s and the

02:36:48.740 70s like this completely turns on its head this fiction of canada being this place of always

02:36:56.100 becoming um it suggests that there is a definitive canadian people with two polarities it suggests

02:37:02.840 that our origins are just as ideological and spiritual as other nations who are born in

02:37:09.500 conflict um it is completely against the narrative of canada being a post-national economic zone

02:37:15.360 so they would never teach any of this they would never ever go this far into um emphasizing the

02:37:22.920 fact that ontario was trying to be warhammer 40k in the 19th century

02:37:28.040 um in in terms of i guess being a little bit more specific on the indian question

02:37:38.780 like you guys alluded to there are only like 80 000 like anglo like anglos and you know loyalists

02:37:48.880 up in upper canada one of the strategies for mitigating american encroachments onto

02:37:55.860 onto the frontier was potentially propping up a native american buffer zone in the northwest

02:38:06.460 territories um by specific by specifically arming uh tecumseh and his prophet brother in this

02:38:16.100 um well it's a it's a reactionary revolt against american settlers settling on the

02:38:24.240 in the midwest around indiana and michigan um at the time the american government about

02:38:32.360 a third of its budget was uh coming from the sale of this western land and most of our banking

02:38:41.840 system was based off of the securities of land speculation deals you know big company buys you

02:38:50.500 know a hundred eight hundred thousand acres of land they sell it off to you know smaller scale

02:38:57.920 settlers at 10 acre lots and you know buy these big territories wholesale mark up the price for

02:39:06.660 the nice cushy settlements and make up the difference in profit but this securities market

02:39:13.680 is what's really propping up the american economy especially after we got into all sorts of embargo

02:39:20.880 conflicts with you know napoleon and britain um and and i i really want to emphasize like after

02:39:30.280 like between i think the statistic the statistic was something like between um you know 1800 and

02:39:38.660 1812 like 9 000 american sailors were impressed onto british ships out of a total of like 60 000

02:39:47.480 american merchant marine sailmen uh sailors like the scale is pretty it's pretty bleak

02:39:56.000 and uh the tenacity and you know viciousness of the indian attacks is it's really quite startling

02:40:04.240 um like down south yes like down south um the red sticks uh this is you know in the midpoint

02:40:13.180 around the midpoint of the war um the cherokee were basically split into two factions the pro-war

02:40:21.140 uh faction that wanted to or there's a pro-peace faction that wanted to integrate with american

02:40:29.740 uh with american sellers and to actually settle down and have farms and you know

02:40:36.740 have a written language or whatever and then there are the red stick you know reactionaries

02:40:43.280 that wanted to return to tribe uh they started by mass by you know killing off their um pro-peace

02:40:53.360 uh farming settlements and then they committed the fort men's massacre where they killed about

02:41:00.600 uh 250 uh american militiamen and then killed another 250 uh men women or you know women and

02:41:10.940 children that were also in the fort and scalped them all they love doing that yeah i love doing

02:41:16.500 that up here too and i think 40 made a good point earlier where it's like a good amount of this

02:41:22.320 history aside from tecumseh that is uh wallpapered over because i don't think they want the stories

02:41:29.380 of what these tribal bands got up to because the allegiances between various groups and then the

02:41:37.720 various uh we call them aboriginals up here or natives but i remember aboriginals um because we

02:41:44.740 have we have a different problem with indians up here so it's we have to keep a firm demarcation

02:41:50.220 between that um i mean the stories you would read um and these these are even covered in modern

02:41:56.060 literature like when i was reading about um like the people who basically discovered canada as

02:42:01.880 they're trying to discover uh river passage to the west um they had to partner with tribes along the

02:42:08.060 way and their relationships tended to be a bit different than those in america but if you read

02:42:13.640 the journal entries from maybe not champlain but um like mckenzie yes yes from champlain yeah in

02:42:21.500 as far back as i was thinking of uh jack not cartier kind of cartoon not really but champlain

02:42:27.780 yes and then um mackenzie yes where like they would partner with like a tribe i think it would 0.97

02:42:36.180 have been the name escapes me but they're one of they're not crazy like the fucking comanches like 0.95

02:42:42.180 they were sort of reasonable but they'd just be walking along they'd find a village of women and 0.98

02:42:47.440 children it's like okay we have to hold on we have to go torture them to death like for just

02:42:51.280 no reason and they're describing like all they did was like they would torture everyone for days

02:42:58.600 just because that's what you did so it's no doubt in my mind that any average the canadian aboriginal

02:43:05.600 tribes even there was one that was pretty consequential which would have been the

02:43:11.920 five nations of the algonquin that would probably be the biggest one they were notable because

02:43:16.600 you mean they were iroquois oh iroquois sorry yeah iroquois um the algonquin are different but

02:43:22.140 the iroquois were making inroads again and they were just decimating every other tribe

02:43:27.320 yeah and that's so it's like who are you brokering relationships with this kind of whoever's near you

02:43:33.840 and then so the relationships with certain tribes might have been like true savages but yes you

02:43:39.920 needed them it's you know like that like cannibalism um human sacrifice and torture

02:43:47.860 are not things that you would typically associate with north american history certainly not the

02:43:52.980 first nations the way you would i don't know cortez's um cortez's excursions into south

02:44:00.540 america but the reality is we actually did have that up here um they did casually torture and

02:44:06.360 maim everybody they just came across in fact that is what the beaver wars were that hundred year war

02:44:12.300 between the early 1600s to 1700 was just the Iroquois killing beavers to trade for guns so

02:44:19.400 that they could exterminate their neighbors which they did yeah see that tribe there it's called the

02:44:24.120 neutral tribe and they were remarkable because different tribes had different levels of societal

02:44:29.560 advancement and the neutrals were remarkable because they had mastered agriculture because

02:44:35.260 they were neutral they didn't want to participate in these wars right so they actually when they

02:44:39.020 just came across and they said they were remarkable for actually understanding something

02:44:42.960 like agriculture where these other tribes just did not they just migrated with uh the animals

02:44:48.680 with the seasons and of course they were utterly decimated like it didn't take long before they

02:44:53.500 were just like wiped out well like um you know i have this handy dandy before the beaver wars

02:44:59.540 map you know early 1600s and then afterwards um you know around the year 1700 uh the iroquois

02:45:10.040 the iroquois didn't actually settle in uh you know pennsylvania and ohio down here they're more

02:45:18.820 just empty farming or empty hunting lands that uh they seasonally hunt uh for various pelts around

02:45:28.140 there but completely depopulated all these tribes are just either gone or like expelled

02:45:36.220 um and you know what this is just a side thing but something i'm going to talk about on blood

02:45:42.520 salad because we're going to cover these books that i read on the show as well there's this

02:45:46.700 common myth in when you learn about our relationship with aboriginals or indians that

02:45:54.480 you know um america was discovered then they left and then they came back a few years later

02:46:00.040 and all the villages were empty where there were once these great populations it was completely

02:46:06.360 desolate and they say well it must have been all the diseases that the new world brought right

02:46:12.180 i'm sure that there was some but once you read the history like it's so fucking obvious that

02:46:18.820 these villages were just wiped out by opposing tribes but that's one of the things that they

02:46:23.120 they can't introduce that if these there's only something like what 200 000 of them in total

02:46:28.860 like north in canada certainly like there wasn't a lot they were all spread out and i was always

02:46:34.700 thinking about it's like okay you're saying these villages are banned so it must have been disease

02:46:38.260 i'm like well if it was disease there would still be bodies there you would find bones you'd find

02:46:43.640 skeletons but there's no one there so maybe they were just captured and enslaved and raped and

02:46:49.500 then their tendons ripped out because that's what they did they gouged your eyes out and then would

02:46:54.500 cut open your arm and take just take out whatever they found in there and laugh at you that's what

02:46:59.660 they did champlain has um champlain has this go on like a few numbers onto this uh the iroquois

02:47:07.640 really only had a population of like 30 000 to 40 000 ish between the five tribes like uh

02:47:16.780 pennsylvania like down here former sesquahannock there are only about 5 000 natives in this big

02:47:23.520 state like almost no one lived in ohio it's just completely depopulated after these brutal wars of

02:47:31.720 genocide um and then you know the one the the nice tribes that decided to hey let's put down

02:47:41.500 some roots and uh actually you know start farming you know they get massacred by their compatriots

02:47:49.280 over and over and over again like we we don't talk about like no one talks about king philip's war

02:47:55.840 um when the pilgrim so like mid 1600s you know the pilgrims and puritans have settled massachusetts

02:48:09.080 uh in larger and larger numbers and a whole lot of the indians are converting to christianity

02:48:16.320 and some are starting to settle down um and this and the nice uh chief that made the first initial

02:48:24.880 treaties with the puritans he passes away and his bloodthirsty uh son takes over uh kills

02:48:33.400 all of the christian converts and then starts waging you know this bloody uh race war against

02:48:41.340 the against the settlers and you know they end up losing but the but at great cost to many many

02:48:51.060 puritan towns and you know that was what it was like out west uh right before the war of 1812

02:49:00.500 and um and before the war of 1812 kicks off uh tecumseh's confederacy uh loses at the battle

02:49:11.500 of tippy canoe and it's discovered that a significant amount of these guns are conveniently

02:49:19.340 british made either purchased through uh through trade or just given to them by british agents

02:49:27.880 and after dealing with like 20 years of indian wars on the frontiers on the frontier and seeing

02:49:36.500 that you know the natives are getting an upper hand by the brits uh to kill americans this

02:49:42.280 this enrages a whole lot of people um so on top of the paranoia of you know the british don't

02:49:51.820 entirely uh don't entirely respect our neutrality they uh they fire upon an american ship around

02:50:01.180 norfolk the uh the uss chesapeake uh down here uh and drag off four of its sailors

02:50:11.260 uh hanging one of them who was an actual you know an actual deserter

02:50:15.420 um but then kidnapping you know three other americans which wasn't very cool so

02:50:22.760 anyone who kind of had a backbone um particularly resented the british in america

02:50:32.360 but i i can see how i guess from the canadian perspective many of these upper canadians are

02:50:40.940 loyalists who are as you say thrown in altar reactionaries don't particularly like americans

02:50:48.840 either um and this buffer state is the closest thing that you can get to you know a buffer

02:50:56.960 between you guys and this expanding you know this westward expansion uh that will eventually

02:51:04.780 envelop everything i i can see it the total the total victory condition was not achieved in order

02:51:11.320 to turn michigan into basically a first nations ethnostate um but i do find it interesting that

02:51:17.560 the americans would copy the idea with the trail of tears when they tried to relocate all of the

02:51:22.400 remaining first nations up there it seems that it ended up kind of happening anyway i don't know

02:51:29.520 what happened to those first nations in the in the succeeding years but but i do know that that that

02:51:34.380 forced relocation was supposed to kind of recreate that plan as a kind of sort of buffer zone sort

02:51:40.540 of neutral territory between the two well well uh for the oklahoma territory um what happened was

02:51:49.500 out of these uh these sort of five civilized tribes in this american south um in order to

02:51:58.220 sort of jumpstart the american economy after we killed our central bank we had a sort of

02:52:04.680 liquidity crisis and we needed to stimulate the economy so these dastardly engines who

02:52:14.480 you know just uh 10 years earlier and rose up and killed a whole bunch of settlers you know

02:52:20.880 seize their land and ship them out to uh oklahoma out here which is

02:52:28.160 interesting yeah it's like red right yeah like red around here um but then we just you know

02:52:40.620 privatize that land later on anyways so it didn't really go it didn't really work out too much for

02:52:47.500 um i guess in terms of the course of the war and how it affected canada in particular

02:52:57.280 uh there are three major fronts in on the canadian border right uh there are about

02:53:05.140 2 000 amer well i know the american figures pretty well there are about 2 000 americans

02:53:11.180 at the start of the war in fort detroit uh they're about 2 600 around uh around buffalo

02:53:19.080 and then around lake champlain they're about 6 800 um by comparison i think the figure is

02:53:29.180 somewhere between like 10 000 12 000 british soldiers on the field uh something like that

02:53:37.040 The Native Americans, Tecumseh's force is somewhere between 1,000 and 2,000 soldiers, but those were the major three fronts.

02:53:50.300 The main objective for the Americans was, one of the books that I read as research described Canada in its new strategic situation as something like a tree, where the main corridor up here is how all the supplies comes in.

02:54:10.200 it's how all of the uh it's where all the population is and the tree has various branches

02:54:16.140 that um are sort of side shows as opposed to the main event and if you cut down the tree and take

02:54:26.240 montreal uh that's pretty much it for uh for it's the canadian defense like even after the americans

02:54:36.520 uh took uh york martin day toronto that was just a supply hub for the rest of the the branches

02:54:44.140 in upper canada we could never we could never really take the main trunk around uh around

02:54:50.520 montreal french canadians also had their own reasons for fanaticism um in this conflict that

02:54:59.820 serve as a

02:55:02.040 serve as a bridge between

02:55:04.280 themselves and the oncoming

02:55:06.260 loyalists who they had

02:55:08.260 their own obvious differences with, ethnic

02:55:10.100 differences, religious differences, cultural

02:55:12.080 and linguistic

02:55:13.080 but for

02:55:16.220 them

02:55:16.580 the English specifically

02:55:20.460 who

02:55:21.120 led the Acadian expulsion were

02:55:24.240 actually from New England

02:55:25.360 and this kind of permafride

02:55:28.180 them um into a trauma response where they would rather ally with the anglican british than become

02:55:35.140 subjects or subordinates to new york new england puritans and so they were very very aggressively

02:55:41.780 opposed to them and this also goes back to the quebec act because the british um tolerated the

02:55:50.180 exist once they acquired quebec in in the war they left them alone they left the seigneurial

02:55:56.420 system alone they left the clergy alone they left those 70 000 uh french canadians alone and the

02:56:03.300 american colonists didn't like that because they wanted that land to expand it to particularly

02:56:07.220 southern quebec there are a number of towns actually that were founded by um those uh loyalist

02:56:13.300 methodists there are still methodist churches in southern quebec uh closer to the border of the us

02:56:18.900 uh that were founded by by those initial settlers and uh they hated the puritans too which is

02:56:25.380 interesting they they were aggressive in their defense they saw the acadian expulsion not as a

02:56:31.820 british thing but specifically as a as a continental thing as a as a um as an american thing now these

02:56:38.920 days french canadian national or sorry quebec nationalists and separatists will claim oh it was

02:56:42.980 the english it was the british etc um but the reality was that the expulsions were not approved

02:56:48.260 of by british authorities it was local militia in new england who decided to round up and and

02:56:54.740 disperse the the uh the acadians although in defense of the english at that time of new

02:57:00.720 england uh the acadians refused to stop the war and peace was settled and they continued fighting

02:57:06.360 um and they also refused to at least proclaim neutrality by swearing allegiance to the crown 0.91

02:57:13.420 and uh you know they faffoed basically it sucks it's it's a shitty situation for everybody involved 0.87

02:57:19.720 in that situation but they they kind of did deserve it well one of the ironies is that 0.94

02:57:27.320 like as you say the quebecois have a particular have particular animus against puritans but

02:57:34.840 the actual states that were opposed to war and expansion into canada were yes you know

02:57:42.280 we're against exactly new england was like new england almost separated from the u.s over the

02:57:47.140 war of 1812 so the the hartford convention is i i don't think it's it's quite that extreme if you

02:58:00.540 look into what the the provisions that they actually advocate for uh constitutional reforms

02:58:07.100 for uh increasing the threshold for declaring war uh more apportionment better apportionment

02:58:17.120 of congressional seats, but the mere fact that later on in the war, in 1815, the war's been

02:58:26.220 grinding on for a while, the Federalists of New England meet in Connecticut, this little

02:58:36.080 orange CT, they bring up the idea of seceding from the United States, all these orange territories

02:58:46.340 up north orange states up north um throughout the war many of the you know new england yankees

02:58:55.740 end up supplying the canadians with food and rations and end up you know assisting the brits

02:59:03.660 throughout the war um this is the you know when uh jefferson embargoes britain a lot of these

02:59:12.620 yankee uh merchants end up smuggling goods into canada anyways uh then you know this is the

02:59:21.940 mercantile hub of the u.s yes as opposed to the land like expansionist like western and southern

02:59:30.340 states whose economies are based off of mostly land speculation although the cotton uh you know

02:59:39.540 cotton gin was invented in i think like the late 1790s and cotton was starting to catch on

02:59:47.380 uh as a profitable crop uh it should be noted that slavery was actually starting to die out in the

02:59:54.900 south throughout the 1700s uh it was extremely unprofitable the south's economy was turning more

03:00:03.060 more into just land speculation and growing like more more investing in in land development rather

03:00:09.920 than you know the agricultural commodities market until the congen came along but that that's that's

03:00:18.400 i like that that's becoming more popular too like when we had our mutual friend christopher sandbatch

03:00:24.060 on our show for the first time years ago that's what he talked about and that's such like a an

03:00:29.920 arguing that breaks so many people's mind frames they haven't even considered it that just like

03:00:35.600 no like i think the slaves are actually becoming this like an asset class that

03:00:40.720 people were just holding on to and didn't know what to do with well well the like the sandbatch

03:00:46.780 thesis for uh slavery uh kicking off the american civil war is that we killed the second bank of the

03:00:55.040 U.S., which was a central bank that particularly favored northern, very corrupt northern mercantile

03:01:04.560 interests and stock jobbers and people who could afford to buy in to buy U.S. bonds at the expense

03:01:16.740 of southerners who didn't have access to credit from these northern banks that had bonds from the

03:01:24.200 us um but what killing the central bank did was uh the one guarantor of easy credit uh just got

03:01:35.960 beheaded and instead uh a bunch of uh bank of england bearings bank bank of rothschild

03:01:45.120 they filled in the credit the they started buying up southern credit and would only take

03:01:51.740 collateral in slaves uh causing a runaway evaluation of slaves uh at the same time you know

03:02:02.860 the the um the market the the market for land crashed because uh

03:02:11.260 jackson kind of stole all this southern land from the native americans but the the real estate

03:02:17.980 market collapsed uh corn futures kind of shit the bed so the only thing that we actually had to

03:02:25.740 collateralize was slaves but that's that's like a sandwich hypothesis we're here to talk about

03:02:33.260 war of 1812 um there are several i guess very big early battles right uh for well

03:02:43.340 Well, going front by front, the American force in Fort Detroit stuck its pinky into Ontario, ran back home after fearing some Indian attacks, Indian ambushes, and surrendered to Canadian General Isaac Brock after some fast deception.

03:03:09.580 um and then this is this is after right after the war breaks out uh second invasion of canada

03:03:19.720 uh you know later on in the year uh american regulars tried to storm uh queenston heights

03:03:27.840 around around niagara but the militia units that make up the bulk of the army refuse to

03:03:36.400 you know cross into canada because uh the militia aren't authorized to exactly go outside of their

03:03:44.400 state so um isaac brock is able to send them back packing across the u.s border but he himself dies

03:03:53.840 in the process and then the main army up north that's trying to take montreal

03:04:02.380 um they engage in i believe one small battle but then just completely collapse and run back home

03:04:12.700 and pathetically you know run home with their tails behind them um 1.00

03:04:20.340 and this uh this very first year um it's a complete shit show for the americans 0.99

03:04:29.520 um in the next year um there's a major battle of lake erie where a small well where the americans 0.94

03:04:41.140 just kind of build this navy from scratch and are able to take over lake erie

03:04:47.240 after this rather epic battle and put in bay um i didn't put and then afterwards the americans are

03:04:56.320 able to uh have access to the lake where they uh you know burn well after an accidental explosion

03:05:04.720 happens uh kind of burn down york capital of upper canada and have to you know have to

03:05:13.880 evacuate afterwards uh for fear of you know brits coming back to retaliate um

03:05:22.100 and i don't believe that there's there are too too many other big battles um across

03:05:31.660 canada in 1813 1814 there's a disastrous invasion um the disastrous invasion of

03:05:42.580 uh vermont where the brits are beaten back at a battle of lake champlain um

03:05:50.540 and i believe the like tecumseh tecumseh ends up passing away and his confederation just

03:05:59.300 completely collapses uh meanwhile the battles ck2 moment yeah me like meanwhile down south

03:06:08.560 like we like i said earlier the red sticks massacre their own people and start massacring

03:06:14.240 settlers um andrew jackson ends up fighting and defeating them um by 1814 the napoleonic wars

03:06:26.420 have wrapped up and napoleon is exiled um leaving a bunch of these veterans uh these

03:06:35.800 british veterans free to actually retaliate against the americans uh they send a large force

03:06:42.640 that ends up uh burning down washington dc uh they're not able to uh take baltimore which is

03:06:52.700 over here the the fourth biggest u.s city uh i don't think people realize that washington dc is

03:06:59.920 basically like a swamp with like three with like three inns at this point um so baltimore is a

03:07:09.080 little bit more of a more of a strategic target um after the brits are they lose their main general

03:07:17.760 for this expeditionary force uh they decide either we attack newport up in rhode island or

03:07:25.940 uh trying to take new orleans they end up invading new orleans and

03:07:34.060 um in a very disastrous battle for the british they decisively lose this battle

03:07:44.540 um right before they get new right right before they get news that the the peace treaty had been

03:07:51.800 signed um officially ending the war um throughout this war um are there any particular

03:08:02.620 uh i guess battles that are venerated that battles that are celebrated or heroes of the

03:08:11.660 canadian uh the canadian army i don't think there's much of a canadian navy yes there are

03:08:19.080 So as I mentioned, the Battle of Chattagy is a big deal, mainly because Lieutenant Colonel Charles Michel de Salaberry, with only 300 Voltigers supported by about 1,400 Mohawk and Abenaki, like raw recruits, not very skilled, not directly engaged in the front line.

03:08:40.500 they're more like suppliers um and his lieutenant colonel george mcdonald whose name was red

03:08:47.500 george red obviously for blood salivary expertly chose ground in the woods along the shatagy river

03:08:53.960 sort of building abatis which are like felled trees they're used as roadblocks and laying

03:08:58.860 ambushes in the dense forests and his men mimicked bugle calls to confuse the americans as they're

03:09:04.960 marching down the saint lawrence river to try and take montreal shouting orders in english

03:09:09.360 which deceived the U.S. troops into believing British reinforcements were behind them.

03:09:14.480 So the Voltigers are 300 Frenchmen yelling in English to confuse and put the Americans under disarray.

03:09:23.180 So they attack the flanks using hit-and-run tactics.

03:09:26.640 The engagement on October 26 in multiple columns becomes disoriented.

03:09:31.700 The Americans take heavy fire from hidden Canadian positions.

03:09:35.760 The St. Lawrence is a very difficult place to invade.

03:09:37.760 and um they believe themselves to be outnumbered the american force was something like three

03:09:44.940 thousand to four thousand troops versus you know three hundred maybe two thousand total canadian

03:09:50.160 troops um they took that heavy fire they only lost about 23 people about 33 injured but the

03:09:58.360 psychological defeat was massive and it's because of the reason you stated earlier on in this in the

03:10:03.080 in the stream which is that montreal is basically the trunk the whole the saint lawrence valley is

03:10:09.080 the trunk that supplies everything it's it is the the engine it is the kind of heartland and

03:10:17.160 uh shatagui with chrysler's farm as well as lundie's lane um and queenston heights are the

03:10:25.880 big ones those are those are kind of like the big decisive battles that you hear mentioned

03:10:30.040 in canadian songs because even in the in maple leaf forever which is supposed to be our national

03:10:34.840 anthem not oh canada at least the english version mentions queens and heights um and and the

03:10:43.800 sacrifices that were entailed there so the u.s never attempted to attack montreal a second time

03:10:49.320 during the war salaberry is considered a national hero in quebec and it is a cornerstone of french

03:10:54.440 canadian military pride the voltegers of course under that tradition would go on to

03:10:59.960 become like the the 22nd regiments also called the vendos or vendors the 22nd regiment was a

03:11:06.440 canadian military regiment comprised entirely of french canadians and so they you know spiritually

03:11:12.040 inherited that kind of tradition from that region so these are yes these are the two major

03:11:24.440 you say that the major uh general figures or the general figures um the major battles

03:11:34.180 queenston heights over here as he mentioned yeah the sacrifice of brock and the victory of

03:11:39.980 salaberry basically are the two the two big ones that you do hear repeated um in our history if

03:11:45.660 they're mentioned at all well i i i see brock as sort of um i'm trying to think of like what the

03:11:52.780 the best analogy would be for him in american history um

03:12:00.780 like we really don't have too many generals that just die tragically um like maybe like there's

03:12:08.940 some analogy from the civil war when you know the life expectancy of brigadier generals was not

03:12:15.580 particularly um particularly high um out of the americans that actually invaded canada

03:12:26.380 like the only general or the only the only commander that or the only two commanders that

03:12:32.380 were actually the three that are really is notable um there's a first crop of officers

03:12:41.420 who begin uh the war in charge a lot of them are i guess uh doddering old uh you know american 0.99

03:12:55.100 revolutionary war veterans uh politically connected uh idiots and you know in one case 0.99

03:13:05.340 with a general uh wilkinson you know spanish spies uh and after this initial crop is replaced 1.00

03:13:14.720 after the disastrous for after the disastrous uh first year you end up with figures like

03:13:21.240 winfield scott uh henry harrison and um oliver hazard perry who end up you know becoming

03:13:30.480 much more legendary figures um although no one in america or american public schools really

03:13:39.500 knows these particular names jackson kind of hogs the the spotlight

03:13:44.260 so we're we're getting into sort of the the impact of the aftermath of the war of 1812 which

03:13:51.420 is probably the most important part of it everything like say like the war is the war

03:13:57.260 but like 70 percent of the profundity in the changes in canadian society happen in the succeeding

03:14:03.500 years in the immediate succeeding years um you see brock elevated to this the level of like

03:14:09.020 hector of troy he's kind of this like heroic figure who dies on the battlefield and achieves

03:14:14.800 victory um they cultivated this myth of heroic loyalty the men who kind of stand to defend the

03:14:23.080 province as earlier loyalists had left everything to uphold their kind of oaths um there's one

03:14:28.520 post-war account that loads the original loyalists rather than submit to successful rebellion they

03:14:32.720 forsook the land of their forefathers their homes their families in many instances their friends

03:14:37.120 and all they hit her to held the deer upon the earth loyalty was earned in 1812 as it had been

03:14:43.460 by the original loyalists in 1776 and the tory elite in particular john strakan who is an enigmatic

03:14:51.940 figure in canadian history people don't realize the extent of how influential this person was

03:14:56.100 john stracan was an anglican bishop and he was basically a prince bishop like pretty much a

03:15:02.180 european style prince bishop and everything but name um and so they used the victory of 1812 and

03:15:08.580 they believed it was a victory because they defend they successfully defended the colony

03:15:12.660 maybe they didn't achieve the total victory of having you know secured michigan and and

03:15:18.340 using it as a buffer zone um but defense of what they had already built since the

03:15:23.380 revolutionary war was was deemed such and so yeah um all of the the veterans were also rewarded

03:15:32.420 this is something else too that that i wanted to to impress upon uh on you too like the first

03:15:38.760 people to claim the land in ontario were actually soldiers they were loyalist soldiers um with the

03:15:43.760 biggest acreages of land given to the officers and to the generals. So you have this very

03:15:50.600 paternalistic, very hierarchical society kind of developing. And you see this continuity of

03:15:57.200 loyalist identity. The loyalist ethos remains a touchstone of upper Canadian identity and

03:16:01.620 politics for decades later. John Strakan's associate, J.S. Cartwright, who is the son of

03:16:06.200 a prominent loyalist, still implores citizens to remember their forebears. Excuse me, sir, for

03:16:11.060 these noble canadians they chose to found a home in the wilderness under the sanction and

03:16:15.000 protection of their sovereign rather than remain citizens of a nation whom they regard as rebels

03:16:19.780 such reverence for loyalist past this is from my notes that i that i wrote a long time ago

03:16:24.980 and calculate the noble sentiments and principles for which they contended

03:16:28.640 the founders or the father's sentiments and loyalty obedience and sacrifice were held up

03:16:34.760 as the sheet anchor of a conservative government in the colony so being a loyalist in ontario

03:16:39.640 evolved from a literal descriptor as war refugees into a proud cultural identity synonymous with

03:16:45.180 devotion to king and and and throne and altar so like they turned this they really they really

03:16:51.900 solidified this i also want to just focus on the crackdown because the crackdown is is very very

03:16:58.240 canadian and it's in its uh attitude and its implementation and i'm just gonna so they just

03:17:04.980 They also excluded the crackdown.

03:17:07.780 So there was a crackdown against dissenters.

03:17:09.940 There was a crackdown against moderates, people who wanted peace much earlier on.

03:17:16.580 Presbyterians, Baptists and Methodists in particular were targeted because they were seen as being most of them were actually American late loyalists.

03:17:25.320 They're American colonists moving up into the new territory.

03:17:28.820 The Tory elite were concerned with internal purges.

03:17:31.220 they were concerned with this corrupting influence from within spreading and metastasizing and so

03:17:38.580 there was an exclusion never heard of this uh yes oh yeah oh yeah so there was an exclusion of the

03:17:44.520 disloyal um the anglican tory elite drew sharp lines around who counted as part of the loyal

03:17:51.000 community and immediately after the war of 1812 these policies were implemented to marginalize or

03:17:55.620 control residents in a dubious alliance, specifically American immigrants. And in 1814

03:18:01.240 to 1816, the government requires loyalty oaths from inhabitants and denying patronage, which is

03:18:07.380 jobs, land grants, and so forth to Americans. The influx of American settlers was curtailed by

03:18:12.380 official discrimination. By 1817 and 1818, Attorney General Robinson went further, delivering a legal

03:18:18.940 opinion that all U.S.-born residents who had not sworn allegiance were aliens in law, unable to

03:18:24.020 vote hold land or office and this sparked the protracted alien question debate but it illustrates

03:18:29.360 that the tory principle that loyalty was a prerequisite for rights are you seeing some

03:18:35.260 parallels in in modern canadians when you think about the convoy and how canadians acted towards

03:18:41.980 that at least uh people who are pro-government at that time well does that sound does that sound

03:18:48.420 familiar i mean uh cracking down on i guess how do you say what what i'm trying to what i'm trying

03:18:56.320 to say is that descent i guess yes what i'm trying to say is that we are an authoritarian people

03:19:01.500 like we are we are a very authoritarian people by american standards and this goes all the way

03:19:06.880 back to our founding all the way back to the the very seeds ideological spiritual political

03:19:12.780 of the Canadian people in both upper and lower Canada.

03:19:17.900 Christopher Hagerman complained that it was a disgrace

03:19:20.940 that American-born residents were placed on equal footing

03:19:23.960 with a loyal population under some laws.

03:19:27.060 The Tory press formulated at the idea that men like Barnabas Bidwell,

03:19:30.500 who is an American, might claim equal privileges with disloyal Americans.

03:19:34.260 It also meant that the War of 1812 and its veterans were continually venerated.

03:19:38.540 They had shed blood for the province and thus earned political capital,

03:19:42.060 whereas these newcomers did not so yeah you see tory mythologizing you see the legitimacy or the

03:19:49.980 legitimizing of the government and the oligarchy who uh had at that point been struggling with

03:19:56.420 desire for more representation among the population there were some people who are like

03:20:01.160 hey listen we're fine with this paternalist system this hierarchical system but also

03:20:04.780 maybe we could have some wiggle room um they use it to crack down on moderates they basically use

03:20:10.340 it as a politically legitimizing event and you still see that permeate in Canadian society today

03:20:18.160 you you see that that fear of internal disorder that necessity to purge dissidents and you know

03:20:26.540 spies traitors so on and so forth the need for hierarchy the need for order and you really see

03:20:33.820 the the emergence of the canadian national value of order kind of come up here um is so during it

03:20:42.740 like i guess proceeding and immediately afterwards uh for the war of 1812 uh kata had something of

03:20:52.320 a siege mentality right whether more british than the actual british verbatim siege mentality is is

03:21:00.520 how launch ariel was yes um did so i guess did this siege mentality uh moderate or become diluted

03:21:14.380 over time or were there various i guess increases in public uh public public crackdowns on on

03:21:26.660 antisocial behavior um i would say it's a bit of both kind of like ebb and flow it's it is an ebb

03:21:33.940 and flow because to say that the the canadian character is purely authoritarian would be

03:21:38.280 incorrect it's not entirely true but there is a streak there in canadian conservatism and in

03:21:43.420 canadian conservatives um that is sort of foundational in a way that it is not in the

03:21:49.280 united states or in france or in the modern united kingdom and what you'd see especially

03:21:53.560 around the confederation years with the slow trickle of methodists and baptists uh many of

03:22:00.160 them from the united states in fact most of them from the united states um you'd see this

03:22:06.540 so they would try to bring these liberal and republican ideals into ontario and they would

03:22:13.100 be forced due to all of the loyalty shit tests and the government crackdowns to frame their 0.93

03:22:19.020 arguments under like whig british constitutionalism because they couldn't just come all out go full 0.98

03:22:25.940 blown you know screw the king we're a republic now they just couldn't do this um especially after

03:22:33.080 the lower and upper canada rebellions had been crushed the upper and lower canada rebellions

03:22:39.260 being crushed was kind of like the the end of the discussion for liberal republicanism for

03:22:43.980 liberalism for revolutionary fervor the government was yet again uh legitimized the the authorities

03:22:50.080 were yet again legitimized and this the uh the revolution or the rebellion of uh 18 was it 37

03:22:58.200 i believe yeah upper the the upper and lower canada rebellions it was bigger in lower canada

03:23:03.420 which is now quebec there was a smaller one with this guy named mackenzie this psycho uh fleeing

03:23:09.540 to an island somewhere in the great lakes and continuing the war and the americans actually

03:23:14.000 took him out which is really funny um just like republican inspired by the lower canada rebellion

03:23:21.420 he got a bunch of hunters lodges which were americans sympathetic to the idea of uh of

03:23:27.940 annexing canada he got he allied with these sort of rogue american uh hunters lodges and hunting

03:23:34.060 groups and whatever they tried to attack um the government they tried to take this island eventually

03:23:38.900 the american authorities were like what are you doing stop like we we just signed a peace treaty

03:23:44.680 can you please not do this and they arrested mckenzie so um like uh i remember there's also

03:23:52.660 like um was it the famous like caroline affair where we had an american smuggler tried to like

03:24:00.020 ship guns to your rebels and uh i think it was like the ship was eventually like seized and like

03:24:09.300 thrown off niagara falls something yes something like that yeah yeah you're you're absolutely right

03:24:15.040 i do also recall that around this exact same time you know 1830 i think it's 36 there's the

03:24:23.820 black hawk war out in uh you know the american midwest uh where they're called like the british

03:24:31.800 band they were like a band of like former like canadian allies during the war of 1812 that

03:24:40.280 you know just loved killing uh settlers uh broke out into open conflict but after the war of 1812

03:24:49.600 canadian support for the indians and their uh their resistance against the americans kind of

03:24:55.980 dried up formally um like there were still incidents like you know sort of rogue british

03:25:06.040 arms dealers supplying the seminoles of east florida or you know black hawk war where

03:25:13.080 you know the former allies of the brits um and uh you know instigating wars against the americans

03:25:21.880 um there's a you know i don't have i don't have a cuba on here

03:25:27.860 british uh gun smugglers getting guns to cuban slaves to instigate slave revolts

03:25:36.080 um british uh arms dealers arming the cults of the uh i think it's the cult of like the

03:25:43.680 it's like the the stick cross something like that in yucatan and in mexico you know that sounds

03:25:52.020 about right yeah our arming um you know wild jungle indians to to kill you know what what

03:25:59.720 how few like white mexicans there were back then you have um on the american side with this you

03:26:06.760 have the fenian raids yes uh i do actually remember posting about this um it's like a

03:26:16.600 uh sorry i gotta head out guys sorry to interrupt yeah it's all right uh we're just wrapping up

03:26:24.760 anyways but if you have to dip you know thank you so much for for coming in uh dimes all right

03:26:30.620 thank great stream guys had a great time i'll talk to you both later all right next time uh i i do

03:26:37.240 have uh yeah i found it it's um you know eerie maritime museum you know the immediately after

03:26:45.820 the civil war these during the civil war america kind of imported half of ireland to fight in the

03:26:54.460 war yes um and after the war all of these sort of armed like veterans of the civil war were like

03:27:03.700 hey let's um let's let let's come up with this this this is a this is a brilliant plan uh we

03:27:13.060 seize canada and then we use it as a bargaining chip to you know to to have a free and independent

03:27:22.020 ireland you know we'll trade sea backsies i mean it's look it's one of those ideas that's so crazy

03:27:29.920 that it might actually work you know um but uh what i find the fenian raid fascinating because

03:27:37.680 the relationship with the irish in canada versus what they did in the states is very very different

03:27:43.680 and at this point you had already had so canada received something like 800 000 irish settlers

03:27:49.860 throughout the 19th century a good chunk of them arrived before the fenian raid

03:27:54.760 and most of the irish to canada were either northern irish they were either olsterman

03:28:01.780 or they were catholic loyalists they were a very rare breed of people from the rep

03:28:07.300 from southern ireland from catholic ireland who believed in in loyalty towards the the crown

03:28:14.840 um thomas darcy mcgee one of our fathers of confederation was himself a catholic irishman

03:28:21.680 and you don't have this same hostility between anglo-americans and irish americans uh emerging

03:28:29.140 in canada the irish were kind of wholesomely amalgamated into broader anglo-canadian identity

03:28:33.380 eventually they just disappeared uh with the exception of cape breton cape breton is a

03:28:37.880 distinctively very gaelic island very small island in the maritimes they they maintain that that

03:28:43.540 celtic identity very strongly um you can make that same case for newfoundland but what's fascinating

03:28:49.100 is that the iris just became anglo-canadian they just kind of assimilated in the u.s you have like

03:28:54.820 gangs of new york for years for years and years well we we had uh you know more of i guess so

03:29:03.020 sort of ethnic enclave kind of situation in in northern cities in particular um it's

03:29:13.140 you know i i think you're out in the frontier things are a lot easier to i mean it's a lot

03:29:22.820 easier to assimilate when you know you have three neighbors uh and you know you're in a relatively

03:29:32.380 you know sort of a sort of survivalist state right where yeah where you actually have to yeah

03:29:38.980 i was gonna say too like the presence of the french changes everything and it it changed

03:29:46.040 canada and put it in a trajectory that australia and the united states would not go through

03:29:51.140 which for a number of profound and and almost incalculable reasons namely the presence of

03:29:57.360 another european people with a different language and religious denomination living right next to

03:30:02.800 and the implications of having to live with that and the irish became the glue between anglo and

03:30:10.580 french canada namely that 15 of all of the 800 000 irish settlers actually married into french

03:30:17.580 canadian families and what they would do is they would mix their their english language with

03:30:22.640 catholicism because they were english speaking but they were catholic they could communicate

03:30:27.280 and liaison between Anglo-Scottish Protestants

03:30:32.220 and French Catholics.

03:30:34.800 The origin of Anglo-Quebecers actually comes from this.

03:30:38.440 It starts with the Irish being the glue

03:30:40.420 between the French and the Anglo-Scots who are Protestants.

03:30:43.360 Although to a lesser extent,

03:30:45.000 Anglo-Protestants did intermarry with French Canadians

03:30:47.160 just at a slightly lesser rate.

03:30:48.820 It's about 12% as opposed to 15%.

03:30:51.640 But yeah, it's just a fascinating,

03:30:54.240 absolutely fascinating dynamic difference

03:30:56.740 because like irish americans were aggressively hostile against anglo america for a very long

03:31:02.320 time like to to the point that it was a big deal that jfk was elected as the the first

03:31:07.160 non-was president well it's well the what is it the there were a lot of qualifiers for uh for jfk

03:31:16.300 like uh his you know his sort of slimy like mobbed up father kind of like beat it into him that you 0.97

03:31:25.160 know jfk you will be a wasp you will dress like a wasp you will talk like a wasp um good you know 0.83

03:31:33.120 uh so he's he's he's almost more uh more wasp he was significantly more waspy than you know 0.86

03:31:41.960 former carney oh yeah richard nixon but that's that's kind of neither here nor there

03:31:48.080 um yeah in terms in terms of i guess putting a bow onto discussing the war of 1812 um

03:31:59.320 you know the initial it was yeah sorry go on i wanted to like the um the american war aims

03:32:08.500 were a to stop the the impressment issue and to resume peaceful commerce and second to open up

03:32:21.800 the frontier to investment land speculation and westward expansion the the main reason why

03:32:33.480 canada was targeted was because british arms were supplying these these really nasty indian

03:32:41.060 uh uprisings and after the war there's no more napoleon so no more impressment uh there are

03:32:50.740 there are no more indian confederacies at least in the midwest and in the south

03:32:54.880 um and you know it led to what was you know called the era of

03:33:03.480 it's like the era of good feelings where the general economy prospered and you know

03:33:10.520 didn't try to invade canada a you know third time um but yeah at least from the american perspective

03:33:22.680 the the war of 1812 was more about asserting national i guess asserting our national autonomy

03:33:30.920 against uh against powers that viewed us as sort of a a third rate you know second tier country

03:33:40.920 by by standing up to these incursions for canada i believe you know you guys made the case that

03:33:49.080 it was more of a you know it's the siege and the siege mentality it's an existential struggle

03:33:56.280 for survival basically like that not just from the state's perspective but from from a cultural

03:34:02.120 perspective of of the canadian settlers at this time they they viewed this as like if we don't win

03:34:08.200 we're going to fall to revolutionary chaos and madness and atheism um and i'm not even being

03:34:14.600 hyperbolic like you can read robert passfield's the upper canadian anglican tory mind and uh

03:34:21.960 anglican torianism in upper canada as well as uh david mill's idea of loyalty the idea of loyalty

03:34:29.560 to kind of get this perspective of where where they were coming from and and the war also solidified

03:34:36.440 the joint you the sort of unity between anglo and french canadians who were both reactionary for

03:34:40.920 their own different reasons but kind of made them coalesce of their one sort of force you

03:34:46.760 you hear a lot of criticism sometimes i'll point out um in terms of the two books that you

03:34:52.240 recommended um i was just going to pull them up real quick it's the idea of loyalty by david

03:35:00.740 mills so that's this one right here and what was the second one there's two it's anglican toryism

03:35:10.720 in Upper Canada

03:35:11.800 it's a very rare book

03:35:16.800 both of them were released in the 70s

03:35:18.760 and there's been like no reprints right there

03:35:20.440 first one Anglican Toryism

03:35:22.520 in Upper Canada

03:35:23.220 and the second one

03:35:27.040 yeah and the second

03:35:28.840 one is

03:35:29.760 hold on

03:35:32.740 let me get it

03:35:33.760 the Upper Canadian

03:35:38.380 Anglican Tory Mind

03:35:39.880 which you saw as your second uh yeah right there scroll scroll down it's right there

03:35:46.760 a cultural a cultural fragment i don't think it's that expensive it's like

03:35:53.920 right but i i had to go on like uh anna's archive to find like a busted pdf

03:35:59.960 because it was so rare i and these books are these three of these are just absolute gems

03:36:06.120 and this is why i've tried to impress upon people like no actually we're not just photo negative

03:36:11.980 america the the anti-americanism is not just knee-jerk we're not american like this was a

03:36:17.680 a whole ideology this was a whole culture dedicated to fighting what they viewed as

03:36:23.800 revolutionary liberalism they were hyperactive hyper aggressive you know ontario and quebec

03:36:31.780 were bastions they referred to themselves as sanctuaries it was a very militant kind of

03:36:36.680 uh crown and altar thing i made the joke about warhammer 40k but that's that's not really far

03:36:41.620 from the truth well i i think ideological implies that there's a sort of idealism to

03:36:49.260 what you're talking about where um you know this nation was freely inspired by the ideals of

03:36:58.440 thrown an altar but i think that it came from a very pragmatic place where uh through these two

03:37:06.180 conflicts the sort of identity that the loyalists came out with uh solidified into like based on

03:37:18.280 very pragmatic reasons as opposed to i have a dream that canada is a as a land of you know oh

03:37:27.320 no oh no there's a lot of that you'll you'll see you'll see when you read this they they wanted

03:37:32.800 a perfected england they wanted a landed gentry um all of that stuff they they literally wanted

03:37:39.900 to roll back the american and french revolutions this is this is why i say it was it's not as

03:37:45.520 cynical and you know people try to point out like well canadian identity is just anti-american

03:37:51.380 but like german identity german unification happened with a negative with something to

03:37:58.000 contrast scottish identity didn't exist until england invaded it it was gales and picts and

03:38:03.920 norwegians and lowland saxons right until they had that kind of existential enemy to corral them

03:38:10.380 um italy very much the same way italian irredentism led by savoy uh sorry um piedmont

03:38:18.060 um sardinia piedmont against the the austrians so like all of the things are there it's it's not

03:38:24.340 just purely reactionary knee-jerk we're not you it is no there was a whole a whole worldview here

03:38:30.620 a whole uh birth of a nation in 1776 then reinforced by the war of 1812 and then of

03:38:37.700 course confederation being kind of like the final cut the final um thing well i i couldn't have asked

03:38:45.180 for better guests to chat about this particular topic from the Canadian perspective uh I really

03:38:52.440 appreciate you for uh taking your time to sit down to have a chat with me about this very

03:38:59.640 underserved topic and uh thanks to I want to also thank to uh send my thanks to all of the

03:39:08.560 at the loyal listeners who uh who tuned in to this particular stream i had a blast you know

03:39:15.860 reading two different books about this uh this topic and it's always fun to learn about local

03:39:22.580 history but it's even better to find these sort of hidden gems that uh you didn't know you didn't

03:39:28.320 know that you wanted to know about um do you have any uh final comments thoughts you know

03:39:35.100 uh stuff that you wanted to uh show for the audience no i i just wanted to thank you of

03:39:43.800 course for having me on to your stream i'm a big fan of your work i think that you're

03:39:49.040 a very amicable person i i appreciate uh you know your stream and and watching your content

03:39:54.820 sometimes so yeah uh shout out to you yeah well thank you so much and uh tune in next week i'm

03:40:04.480 going to have uh let's see i'm going to have so like alex the steam guy to chat about early um

03:40:13.500 early uh the development of the early british and american railway networks uh so tune into that

03:40:22.800 next week and uh see you there

03:40:26.100 Hey, baby, I hear the blues are calling

03:40:29.040 Tom Salas and scrambled eggs

03:40:31.820 And maybe I seem a bit confused

03:40:36.380 Yeah, maybe, but I got you, Craig

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