Blood Satellite - Rotating a Fake Plastic Tree in my Head in a Small Town [“F＊lix in the Missing a lowering of 20 years”]

00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.720 blood satellite did you see in the chat uh our certified female rhodium maiden she's telling a

00:00:24.860 story about how she was cat called in the past and she actually liked it and this kicked off

00:00:30.840 of course all the guys saying the thing you've ever once heard before it's like i would love to 0.99

00:00:35.460 be cat called you got fucking dipshits like dimes over here saying saying all these spinning these 0.99

00:00:40.980 yarns like oh if every man was screamed to compliments we'd be unstoppable and i immediately 1.00

00:00:47.300 got fucking chin checked 0.98

00:00:49.040 by people pretending to be 1.00

00:00:51.500 fat British men 0.95

00:00:53.420 yelling 1.00

00:00:53.960 yelling obscenities at me

00:00:57.200 it doesn't work

00:00:59.120 if it's guys doing it to you

00:01:01.340 hey gorgeous

00:01:04.040 hey gorgeous

00:01:05.940 oh hey gov 1.00

00:01:06.780 let me have a look at that tiny penis 1.00

00:01:09.320 that's Australian but still 1.00

00:01:12.860 that's good 1.00

00:01:13.480 let's have a gander the tiny 1.00

00:01:17.000 penis oh you let's have a peek at that busted asshole jesus christ just just mean british 1.00

00:01:34.740 laborers let me ask you this when you imagine a laborer when you imagine a working class guy 0.99

00:01:41.460 blue collar guy does anyone imagine a british person i know they exist they've built things 0.93

00:01:47.260 yeah london bridge didn't fall out of the fucking sky i mean unless you're a guy but 0.74

00:01:52.220 yeah unless you're under the bridge as it was falling on you unless you're under the bridge 0.92

00:01:56.880 and london bridge was falling down is what i'm trying to say here that's the joke yeah

00:02:01.780 that's a good one you're you're doing all right so far don't there we go minute two we're doing

00:02:08.720 good it's only you had another one and i don't think you had a good quote and i think i'm going

00:02:15.840 to misappropriate it all right i think it was haitian people or black people from the dark

00:02:21.800 continent using chicken entrails to predict something and you said chicken entrails yeah

00:02:28.880 what was the idea i think we i workshopped it there with uh mid and and maybe uh ocean in the

00:02:35.020 chat there's something along the lines of a chicken we've said chicken n tower but then it

00:02:41.300 became it became it was chicken n tower just a chicken n trail like n up hyphen trail so yeah

00:02:48.020 it's good this is the brain trusted work yeah speaking of chicken n trails uh i don't even

00:02:56.120 this is an ongoing story and i shudder to even make light of it even though my conscience demands

00:03:03.440 it have you hear what's going on in haiti i caught i keep i hear parts of this story

00:03:09.840 that sound like rumor but it's on cnn and i'm like this doesn't sound this doesn't sound real

00:03:15.900 apparently there's a guy named barbecue who's like threatening the president and burnt the

00:03:20.320 supreme court or some shit like what is going on haiti is on the verge of the abyss the u.s on 0.84

00:03:28.400 thursday issued the highest level of warning for haiti as heavily armed gangs expand their control 0.91

00:03:33.160 US authorities now warning all Americans to get out now.

00:03:36.540 This is my most ambitious trip to date.

00:03:38.920 I'm going to Haiti, where 80% of the capital

00:03:41.380 is controlled by ruthless gangs.

00:03:43.280 We've been taken around by a bunch of gangsters

00:03:45.100 and they're all armed with two guns in their pants.

00:03:47.560 They're all boys.

00:03:48.600 Militias roam the neighborhoods and terrorize, 1.00

00:03:50.980 raping women and capturing foreigners for ransom.

00:03:54.940 The Prime Minister, Arell Henry, who resigned today,

00:03:58.500 has actually been leading Haiti unelected for 30 months

00:04:02.080 refusing to bring in elections to allow haitians to to elect their own representatives and government

00:04:08.320 the gangs have been calling with a populist narrative to overthrow ariel online they've 0.61

00:04:14.400 also been calling with a populist narrative to rid the country of corruption but many of these gangs

00:04:20.080 themselves were part of the government indeed one of the gang leaders who's known as barbecue

00:04:25.040 was a police officer before he became a gang leader and many of the gangs will be working

00:04:29.600 with the government or the rich elites or sometimes being armed by international actors

00:04:34.000 so it's a very complex situation and certainly this violence didn't start happening a few weeks 0.62

00:04:38.240 ago it's just grabbed the world's attention the trick with haitian news is whatever it is believe

00:04:44.640 it yeah oh there's a guy named barbecue who lit half of haiti on a ferry yeah like if you know

00:04:52.080 anything about haiti you know my uh my friend christopher sandbatch he posted um a tweet

00:04:59.600 and on this topic right and he was showing that image we've all seen before

00:05:04.400 of it's it's uh the jungles right and and the the forest and there's the border of haiti

00:05:11.680 bordering its neighboring country which is lush and green and haiti is just a desert the reason

00:05:17.360 is because they just chopped down and burned all of their trees they had no forethought they did

00:05:23.360 turned it into a desert and he was just saying like not enough people appreciate how insane this

00:05:29.680 image is like they go they go right it was on purpose there was a strategy involved somehow

00:05:36.240 they knew enough to not go beyond the border yeah in nominal terms the dominican republic's economy

00:05:42.720 is 4.5 times larger than Haiti's. While in purchasing power parity terms, the Dominican

00:05:48.060 Republic's economy is 7 times larger than Haiti's, despite the two countries having a roughly

00:05:52.820 comparable population. This further means that when it comes to GDP per capita, Dominicans are

00:05:57.420 on average 5 to 8 times wealthier than Haitians are next door, with citizens of the Dominican

00:06:01.960 Republic being more comparable to countries like Serbia or Argentina, and citizens of Haiti being

00:06:07.120 more comparable to countries like Rwanda and Uganda. In terms of poverty, about 58% of Haitians

00:06:12.300 live on less than $3.65 a day, making Haiti one of only six countries worldwide outside

00:06:18.100 of sub-Saharan Africa, where the majority of the population continues to live under

00:06:21.820 poverty.

00:06:23.140 You can't blame the colonials.

00:06:26.260 You can't blame the West for that.

00:06:29.040 It's just like when I talk about India, people are probably sick of me talking about India,

00:06:32.200 but I'm like, you have one of the world's great rivers.

00:06:35.920 You have the Ganges, a river up there with the Nile, up there with the Mississippi.

00:06:42.300 as like a globe defining river and you just shat in it and filled it with corpses yep and syringes 0.61

00:06:48.540 and so i look at this i'm like look what you did and so of course people say well the colonists 0.54

00:06:53.720 were very bad slavery was bad there i don't care apparently they had the right idea yeah because i 0.88

00:06:59.920 don't think that made haitians the way they are i think they showed up and the haitians were eating 0.86

00:07:03.600 people and they stopped them for five like a minute yeah stopped them for 15 minutes and now

00:07:08.420 they just went right back to it i don't think they were turned into cannibals because that's

00:07:12.760 also the story you're hearing the story you're hearing is that rampant cannibals are rampaging

00:07:18.300 through the city and and in doing what eating people burning houses uh you know i got i got

00:07:25.160 two stories here i got one in the um toronto sun i got one reported on by nbc like you'd said you

00:07:31.900 see the news you don't believe it um he said the chaos engulfing the country has been bubbling for

00:07:39.260 more than a year only for it to spill out on the global stage on monday night as haiti's unpopular

00:07:44.200 prime minister ariel henry agreed to resign once a transitional government is brokered by other

00:07:49.960 caribbean nations um he says in the power vacuum that followed the assassination of their last

00:07:57.620 president jovenel moisy moisy i want to say moisy in 2021 henry who was prime minister assumed power

00:08:05.280 um when haiti failed to hold elections multiple times uh they said it was due to logistical

00:08:11.880 problems and violence protests rang out against him um and that's where we're seeing this barbecue

00:08:18.040 character appear um those groups which include paramilitary and former police officers who pose

00:08:25.320 of community leaders have been responsible

00:08:27.260 for increased killings, kidnappings

00:08:29.440 and rapes since

00:08:31.180 Moishi's death

00:08:32.200 let's see here

00:08:34.400 in January more than

00:08:35.960 8,400 people were

00:08:39.260 killed, injured or kidnapped in 2023

00:08:41.080 an increase of 122%

00:08:43.080 so it's just utter 0.99

00:08:45.300 fucking chaos 1.00

00:08:46.160 I think it's funny because Juvenal 0.99

00:08:48.180 I actually had my French teacher as a kid

00:08:50.960 that was his

00:08:52.920 same name, his last name, it's pronounced

00:08:54.880 to Moise, which is

00:08:56.860 such a... It's one of those names like

00:08:58.960 Asperger's, where you don't want to say it correctly

00:09:00.880 because it sounds so gay, but his name's

00:09:02.760 Jovenel Moise. 0.96

00:09:04.960 Moise. Moise.

00:09:06.560 See, you think these are French names? These are classy

00:09:08.960 names. Well, I mean,

00:09:10.440 eh. Is it still

00:09:12.780 French after however many years? 1.00

00:09:15.100 Is this far off from what the 0.80

00:09:16.780 French have done in the past, frankly? 1.00

00:09:21.600 Like, are the 1.00

00:09:22.700 Haitians the true inheritors of 0.99

00:09:24.860 the revolution yeah it's the siege of paris except paris is the eastern half of a caribbean island 0.93

00:09:31.300 and the sieging army is themselves yeah like you know the french version of the top gang

00:09:38.480 leader barbecue would just be sous vide oh man that way the thing is if somebody if i read that

00:09:48.680 headline like barbecue has been killed by his rival gang leader sous vide i'd believe it i'd

00:09:53.520 So I got another headline here.

00:09:56.960 The Toronto Sun.

00:09:59.220 Hades' top gang leader, Barbecue,

00:10:01.980 this is posted just yesterday,

00:10:05.000 accused of incinerating victims. 1.00

00:10:07.100 This is a certified dead nigger storage. 1.00

00:10:10.200 Hades' most powerful gang leader insists 1.00

00:10:12.200 that it was his mom's job

00:10:14.060 that prompted people to give him the nickname Barbecue.

00:10:18.480 The mom's job was hawking fried chicken in the streets.

00:10:22.020 fried chicken of course is not barbecued so that is

00:10:26.960 it is deep fried they should have just called him fryer that nickname doesn't make sense 0.95

00:10:35.940 um the 46 the 47 year old gun-toting mobster leads the g9 family the g9 family and allies gang 0.98

00:10:46.380 that has taken over most of Haiti's capital, Port-au-Prince. 1.00

00:10:51.320 He emerged as the gang spokesperson

00:10:53.640 who called for the ouster of the unelected Prime Minister Ariel Henry

00:10:57.080 and threatened a civil war

00:10:58.660 if the 74-year-old former neurosurgeon couldn't step down.

00:11:02.580 What is a Haitian neurosurgeon like? 1.00

00:11:04.960 Now, that's some low-hanging fruit right there, but...

00:11:07.320 But Barbecue himself is a Haitian neurosurgeon with that.

00:11:11.240 Well, I mean, like, I read a statistic

00:11:13.400 and people were doing the remember how haiti used to be under colonialism and it was it had the

00:11:19.040 largest conscription of civilians for the military it's something crazy it was like seven i'm just

00:11:26.240 gonna make up numbers here 7 000 enlisted men and like 5 000 generals what i'm like that doesn't

00:11:34.980 sound right it sounds right for haiti it does sound right for like everyone's a general yeah

00:11:41.380 that's also what you would get in a country run by women woman alert yes everyone's just a

00:11:48.740 everyone's an admiral and a general and okay what we've got he emerged i'm ready to make an

00:11:56.580 alliance with the devil ready to sleep in the same bed as the devil uh he told reporters this week 0.98

00:12:01.660 loves the devil damn this is a guy who knows what he wants that's what voters like 0.98

00:12:07.340 we haitians have to decide who is going to be the head of the country and what model of government 0.99

00:12:15.400 we want we're going to need to figure out how to get haiti under the misery it is now well that's 0.99

00:12:19.700 a long list of things you got to figure out we got to figure out what government we want we've

00:12:23.880 got to figure out who's in the government we've got to figure out uh what haiti is where haiti is 0.91

00:12:28.580 pardon me for saying but it sounds like he has no fucking clue what he's doing

00:12:32.800 well the one thing he knows is what he's good at which according to the international press 0.93

00:12:38.420 is lighting people on fire and eating them yes this much we know it's not a job when you do what

00:12:46.420 you love i people were passing around sort of ai generated headlines or whatever trying to defend

00:12:53.720 cannibalism and i did my due diligence looking into them i found that a lot of these screenshots

00:13:00.320 were fake but in doing so i stumbled across several articles from a few years ago that

00:13:05.840 were defending cap cannibalism which is like cannibalism is obviously wrong but it's also

00:13:12.260 widespread and sacred i'm like what the fuck are we doing here and that was that was you can just 0.94

00:13:19.480 imagine the western journalists some jew or jew adjacent white guy was just like i i hear that um 0.98

00:13:28.760 the chuds don't like cannibalism well i've got news for you it's beautiful 0.84

00:13:33.580 like there's no way to do cannibalism right like i don't like

00:13:39.040 the butchery has advanced to such heights in western culture the french cuisine is beautiful

00:13:48.220 the way they can you know arrange a butcher an animal and prepare it like how there's no good

00:13:53.980 way to butcher a human i haven't seen it i don't think there's a way to beautify human meat

00:13:59.180 that's my theory i've never had it i've never wanted to consume a man's soul like that i

00:14:08.560 wonder if they have any spirit like everyone says oh it's sacred do these people think they're

00:14:13.140 actually eating someone's soul or do they just like eating black feet like to me the fact that 0.80

00:14:18.160 it's sacred doesn't make me respect it more it makes me it like it's it's like it poisons their 0.97

00:14:24.240 culture like i could prior to knowing that it's sacred in their culture i could give them a pass 0.57

00:14:29.300 but now that i know that your culture holds cannibalism sacred i think we should invade 0.71

00:14:33.640 and wipe you out i don't know why that's like a bonus like no no don't trust me it's sacred like 0.94

00:14:39.460 do i do i care yeah anyway that's what's going on in haiti and what worries me what concerns

00:14:46.500 many people who are following this

00:14:48.580 is well this is a refugee crisis 0.99

00:14:50.940 this is well people are fleeing 1.00

00:14:52.760 Haiti like no no this has

00:14:54.780 to be a firm line you stay in Haiti 1.00

00:14:56.880 it's Hades are like Somalis 1.00

00:14:59.100 no one likes them 1.00

00:15:00.500 Barack Obama will tell 1.00

00:15:02.860 Haitians to go fuck themselves I don't know 1.00

00:15:04.780 anyone who likes Haiti 1.00

00:15:05.800 they really are the bottom like a lot of 1.00

00:15:10.760 African nations seem to be 1.00

00:15:12.240 in even the worst African nations 1.00

00:15:14.860 seem to have more going for them than haiti i think part of it might be how cramped they are 0.99

00:15:19.960 on that island like they don't have anywhere to flee to but still yeah look i can and i'm going

00:15:26.080 to get a lot of flack for this i can speak with a nigerian i know how to do that i've done it before

00:15:32.640 we probably won't see eye to eye a lot of stuff but i can sit across from the table and deal with

00:15:39.100 a nigerian a somali i similarly know how to deal with and you use a laser pointer 1.00

00:15:44.820 yeah that's how you get that laser pointer send them off there they are there's something else 1.00

00:15:51.980 but you can control it easily a haitian you don't know how to deal with a haitian you know how to 1.00

00:15:57.220 deal with that's that's like a fucking congolese guy that's like the haitian like that's how they 0.98

00:16:02.880 got there they were slaves that were because i was reading um a piece about how the african 0.98

00:16:09.780 slave trade worked and different slaves came from different parts of africa you know so um the

00:16:14.520 british the anglos got their slaves from sort of west africa but like the french tended to 0.94

00:16:19.560 source their slaves like from deep in in the congo like deep in the fucking jungles and you know they 0.84

00:16:26.220 weren't hunting them down with like a lasso or anything but like that's a different type of 0.98

00:16:30.780 african that's like like blue gums dark as midnight and like you know then you see it 1.00

00:16:36.740 this is what you get so what do you do with haiti like you kind of let the earthquakes deal with it 1.00

00:16:43.220 i think you have to because that they'll destroy the american government if you just transplant 1.00

00:16:48.580 haiti that's yeah you can do the indians are going to seem like nothing yeah yeah yeah haitians are 1.00

00:16:55.480 Asians are wild. 1.00

00:16:57.320 I wanted to bring up this, and I hesitated to bring this up 1.00

00:17:01.220 because this might be bad for him,

00:17:03.720 but there was news that broke recently

00:17:06.020 of everyone's favorite cartoonist, Stone Toss, being doxxed.

00:17:10.480 Have you heard this?

00:17:11.300 I'm not going to say his name.

00:17:12.300 I'm not going to say nothing about him,

00:17:14.100 but it seems fairly credible.

00:17:17.720 And the reason I'm not too worried about him

00:17:20.360 is because he made millions of dollars with his NFT. 0.99

00:17:23.040 so you know we love stone toss but fuck that guy he's okay he's doing okay 0.99

00:17:28.280 he he's one of like a couple guys who made a bank off of an nft because he did it right he did 0.99

00:17:36.360 like i'm gonna make i'm gonna draw this and people are gonna buy it and it's it's does it's

00:17:41.820 not a scam it's not a rug pull he just he made it as honestly in nfts as he can so good for him

00:17:47.800 But Antifa was releasing.

00:17:50.780 What got him, and maybe this is the moral of the story here,

00:17:55.100 was he had used a personal email when signing up for Gab.

00:18:05.300 And there was a big Gab email leak.

00:18:09.020 And through degrees, they pieced it together.

00:18:12.440 And so they found him, you know, normal guy, regular looking guy. 0.78

00:18:17.480 I was nursing the theory that it was going to be a Hispanic woman.

00:18:23.840 And I,

00:18:24.560 it kind of,

00:18:25.320 I was hoping for some twist that it's going to be like, 0.70

00:18:28.920 like an Asian guy or something, 0.99

00:18:31.180 you know?

00:18:31.560 Yeah.

00:18:32.460 But it really is just like a white guy with a,

00:18:35.100 a profoundly German name.

00:18:37.660 It's almost like if Antifa got to cast who they would want stone toss to be.

00:18:42.300 Yes.

00:18:43.640 But like,

00:18:44.320 he works in it.

00:18:45.500 He's honest.

00:18:46.520 he looks like guys i've worked with in agencies before hard to say if anything's going to come

00:18:52.760 with that i think stone stone toss enrages leftists more than anyone else oh yeah i can

00:19:00.920 tell you this stone toss is uniquely dangerous uniquely effective at spreading a hateful message

00:19:07.320 into spaces where it would otherwise be looked down upon the person who makes stone toss who i

00:19:12.680 I will be referring to as Stone Toss, for the rest of this video, is a very

00:19:17.060 talented propagandist. I say this as a propagandist. He's good at what he does,

00:19:21.920 and I think we can learn a lot from how his comics spread and why they're made

00:19:25.700 the way they are. Studying the tactics that make Stone Toss so successful, I

00:19:30.200 hope, will make us better at combating them in the future. But at the very least,

00:19:34.160 I think it's, you know, maybe something we should be keeping an eye on?

00:19:38.400 He is not even remotely preachy. He is actually incredibly underhanded in the delivery of his

00:19:49.220 sort of values here. So this is obviously a trans dog whistle here. So you deny science because you 1.00

00:19:56.220 don't support climate change, but then you realize he's holding up a biology textbook.

00:20:01.840 This doesn't make sense unless you're familiar with the tendency for people who deny the

00:20:07.860 existence and legitimacy of trans people to uh cite basic biology as the reason why they don't

00:20:15.620 um as the reason why they don't like believe trans people or anything other than like delusional

00:20:20.500 mentally ill people i see people in chat right now who are like this is a dog whistle is this

00:20:25.020 anti-trans yes yeah yeah my position on antifa um and i would welcome people to push back on this

00:20:35.300 because i've never dealt with them directly really well i've dealt with members in the past

00:20:40.320 and talked to them but i haven't been under the reticle my theory is that they they don't really

00:20:46.140 do a lot of detective work um it seems to me that every time they've gotten a scoop on someone in

00:20:52.000 the past it's just been information that's been dumped in their lap um fate like milo yiannopoulos

00:20:58.100 would be one and he boasted about having jira and everyone that would just you know

00:21:01.560 all of a sudden this like behind the scenes speech with richard spencer leaks or something

00:21:07.980 right that's because someone there recorded someone there didn't like richard spencer then

00:21:12.600 gave it to antifa who kind of blasted it out and they don't want to burn their sources or reveal 0.97

00:21:17.720 their sources so they act like they did all this fucking hacking but they're not they're 0.99

00:21:21.420 they're weird trannies and like fat lesbians like they're antifa you know antifa are they're not 1.00

00:21:27.540 scary people yeah yeah they're losers yeah they're fucking drug addicts and trannies and 1.00

00:21:31.520 shit like what are they gonna do but um so that's my it seems like they might have found out stone 1.00

00:21:37.840 toss through the hack and maybe piece that together but um so normally i would say you 0.99

00:21:44.800 know don't worry about them but they really really don't like stone toss so if i were him

00:21:49.700 i might be worried um what do you think about that yeah i mean he's he's a i think he's a target

00:21:59.400 on the same scale as spencer and milo but i think spencer and milo have been playing this game where 0.76

00:22:07.860 they're already semi-public figures and as dumb as i think both of them are they seem to have a 0.86

00:22:12.980 way about them where they kind of they kind of know like oh i'm not going to attend this event 0.96

00:22:16.620 without a little bit of a plan maybe some security maybe scoping the area i don't think stone toss

00:22:23.520 is that guy i think stone toss has probably lived his entire life in like personal obscurity and 0.97

00:22:29.580 this might be a huge this might be a huge kick in the ass for him i i feel bad for him this is 0.70

00:22:34.320 because he's not been a public figure at all up to this point so this is not not a good dox 0.89

00:22:38.220 yeah yeah i because i love his work and i've said this before i'll say it again he's great he's the

00:22:44.200 he's the best there is like there's no comparison stone toss is not only the best cartoonist to come

00:22:51.280 out of our this thing of ours the distant right i would put him as perhaps the best political

00:22:56.680 cartoonist period ever done he he kept and because it's so common for political cartoonists to go

00:23:07.340 overboard on the words and the genius uh and i'm sure as a visually inclined guy you might agree

00:23:12.420 with this a good stone toss comic can be appreciated without any words yeah he's got such

00:23:19.080 a masterful command of the the visuals alone without having a lot of dialogue without a lot

00:23:25.520 of you know dialogue heavy punch-ups or anything like that like mo even even the comics with

00:23:30.640 dialogue if you remove the words the comic could still be appreciated and that is so counterintuitive

00:23:35.960 to how most creative designers operate that like he's better than anything you found in

00:23:42.140 any newspaper period he's better than doonesbury he's better than anything

00:23:46.100 uh so for someone to get famous circulation deserves it think of the circulation that

00:23:51.800 ben garrison was getting prior to stone costs coming on the scene like ben everybody thought

00:23:57.140 ben garrison was king shit or i mean i guess and now ironically i think people want to paper over 0.99

00:24:03.080 that and be like no no we're laughing at it ironically no you weren't you shared that shit 0.99

00:24:06.780 to my fucking timeline repeatedly not you i mean people but like uh once you find stuff that's 0.96

00:24:12.620 actually cutting and funny and and genuinely subversive and and good like actually well 0.96

00:24:18.980 designed and not ham-fisted yeah it's it's great it's and again great and sad that he's been doxxed

00:24:25.400 to the point and that's what infuriates uh antifa and the leftist so much there's two people that 0.78

00:24:30.100 they hate the most in my opinion stone tossed and andy go who is the gay korean journalist

00:24:38.300 who's made a lot of hay out of going up against they've physically attacked him and they they 0.84

00:24:44.120 just seem to like abusing him you know but anyway they hate stone dust because he's so effective

00:24:48.600 because he's so skilled and that bothers them it bothers them that they see a guy they hate and 0.98

00:24:54.000 they see one of his comics and they go fuck that one was pretty good yeah that one was clever 0.84

00:24:59.520 and they try and edit him and it doesn't work and they can't they can't do they they it's a rubik's 0.98

00:25:05.740 cube they keep just grinding their nails into and trying to rip apart so i i do fear that they

00:25:11.520 that might be the guy to galvanize them enough because they actually don't really have anything

00:25:15.560 else going on like what are antifa doing yeah yeah i i know i've never seen a left-wing stone

00:25:21.820 toss edit that didn't reinforce the meme about left the left not being able to meet like it

00:25:27.280 always always always just falls flat and embarrasses whoever posts it it's just wonderful

00:25:32.200 um moving on people are probably going to be groaning at this one but have you heard that

00:25:38.580 gamer gate 2 is happening yeah the last time anyone was happy

00:25:47.720 that this is what we put above the door when you come in here everyone was happier when they were

00:25:55.720 cringe yes gamergate was the last time we were all friends last time for the young young people

00:26:03.700 maybe you don't understand we actually thought things were going our way and it really i'm not

00:26:09.040 joking when i say gamergate led to trump being elected people say that as a joke i think it's 0.97

00:26:13.580 part and parcel um but you know that was the last time people were like yeah we give we give a shit 0.90

00:26:19.360 about things i'd like it's a consumer revolt i'm gonna vote with my dollars i'm gonna vote with my

00:26:26.620 voice and you know we we actually we behave like people that was the last time i remember being a

00:26:32.480 person i don't know what i am i don't know what this thing we're doing is we feel like broken 0.58

00:26:37.640 fucking haunted machines and we're trying and i've watched everyone just rot and decay since then but 0.53

00:26:44.860 yeah it's back and we're doing it and also trump is back i guess we're doing that again too 0.98

00:26:50.200 nice it's 2016 all over again baby we've never left 2016 and no one is happier about this than

00:26:59.900 me yeah so what we're talking about and it involves the exact same people i'm bringing

00:27:05.300 sargon and let's get sargon back over here let's see what he's up to you know let's let's you know

00:27:09.780 what he's not fat now let's fatten that boy up fatten him back up that's right get him some get

00:27:13.660 him some butter get him some some buffalo wings gotta get some butter in you gotta get some wings

00:27:18.120 in you gotta get some ice cream in you yeah get over here it's stuck culture but it's stuck on

00:27:23.660 the the best the best year of our lives and we're fine with it we're gonna have some fun again let's

00:27:29.340 all get some ham in us everybody get fat everybody forget how to shower let's get sleepy

00:27:37.040 oh yeah give your respect let's get sleepy and let's like doing things again so what are we

00:27:44.140 talking about here there's an organization called sweet baby inc sweet baby inc is one of several

00:27:52.880 of these organizations uh narrative design organizations is what they would call themselves 0.96

00:27:58.920 there's many variations on that but what they do is it's just a company of hags and weird losers 0.93

00:28:08.140 who get their consultants so they would go to a valve they would go to a blizzard 0.94

00:28:14.360 a rockstar games and say look we will bring us in pay us money we'll help you tweak your

00:28:21.760 characters game design your story to make it a bit more diverse and also don't fall into this

00:28:29.020 trap i think a lot of people fall into which is they think okay don't worry we can include everyone

00:28:33.520 by making this like single default universal experience that is universally representative

00:28:38.500 because usually like all that means as it did in the dating example is that you're aiming at

00:28:43.020 your core demographic and you're probably invisibly leaning towards the dominant societal voice even

00:28:47.360 you don't realize it in development and you are part of like that dominant voice you're like a

00:28:53.040 cis hetero white dude or just adjacent to that do not wait until the end to call your consultants

00:29:00.240 bring them in at the beginning and instead of asking them hey is this very racist thing we did 1.00

00:29:04.400 very racist because you wonder why these games end up like this well it's these fucking bitches 0.98

00:29:09.680 ideas and they they've had their fingers in a lot of big titles uh they're involved in gta 6 which 1.00

00:29:17.720 hasn't come out yet but they were involved most famously with the recent uh suicide squad game

00:29:22.480 which failed spectacularly um also half-life alex like these are some big games and it's staffed by

00:29:30.020 a lot of these individuals who kind of came up in gamer gate if you recommend if you recognize any

00:29:35.940 of these names then you need to log off but if if you if you know anything about what i'm talking 0.99

00:29:43.900 about now you you gotta do a reverse ring i want to see you climb your ass into a well 0.99

00:29:50.100 i want to say goodbye your mama you are going to turn into a dead girl 0.99

00:29:56.220 your reverse ring is pretty good and basically people found out about this these people they're

00:30:07.980 ruining games they they basically stumbled across their website and then they someone started a steam

00:30:14.420 group a group on the steam marketplace just saying hey let's identify all the games that 0.50

00:30:19.860 they say they've been a part of and let's just fucking not buy those games they did that it was

00:30:24.380 It's called the Sweet Baby Ink Detected Group. 0.93

00:30:27.020 That's what they called it.

00:30:28.580 I have a team of 21 right now for Validate.

00:30:32.220 It's a pretty big team.

00:30:33.260 It's a crazy big team for indie games.

00:30:35.880 But who is your team?

00:30:38.120 Validate has a team of mostly all people of color.

00:30:41.980 We have no white people on our team.

00:30:43.740 I did that because I wanted to create a safe environment.

00:30:48.540 And I know the best way for an environment to be safe is to be around people who are just like me.

00:30:54.380 and this is more or less what kicked off this whole thing and started people identifying these

00:31:01.640 other groups who were involved in it and finding speeches that these individuals had given saying 0.97

00:31:06.740 how they you know stuff you've heard before we hate white men we i i want to destroy video games 0.95

00:31:12.220 this woman who runs sweet baby inc who is just the same you know straight from you know central 0.98

00:31:19.280 casting frizzy-haired mulatto woman and I was small and starting to kind of

00:31:25.160 express myself creatively in either writer writing or stories or art I

00:31:29.120 wrote about myself a lot and I would put myself into a lot of art into a lot of

00:31:34.760 narratives and I put my family and people who look like me and all these

00:31:39.200 cool scenarios and I was telling all these stories where I got to see myself

00:31:42.980 I got to see people who look like me and kind of a rainbow of people who were

00:31:46.520 kind of adjacent to me, but then I got to high school. And suddenly, for the first time

00:31:52.460 in my life, I got told that the stories that I was writing, the things that I was creating

00:31:56.280 for and about people who resembled me, weren't not real stories and they were not right stories.

00:32:03.040 And this was to the point that I received a list that I'm sure many of you have received

00:32:07.520 that was, here's a list of authors and stories that are legitimate. Here's a list of people

00:32:13.000 and stories that are important and as you can imagine they were you know mostly men and almost

00:32:18.840 exclusively white and so were the subjects of all these stories with a couple exceptions

00:32:25.800 saying that the way they operate is that oh if you are in this organization

00:32:30.920 go to your superiors and basically threaten them threaten them that they need to contact

00:32:35.960 us and get us in there or we're going to go to twitter we're going to kick up a dust storm

00:32:41.240 around you it's funny because it's not even that ballsy i remember the speech that she

00:32:47.060 went up recently she said if your boss or your superior disagrees with you go around your boss

00:32:53.540 to the marketing department and threaten the marketing department so it's like your boss is

00:32:58.220 obviously above your pay grade but you should go around to the department heads and threaten all of 0.99

00:33:02.880 them like i say like cause a revolt within the company like you're fucking psychotic how how have 0.98

00:33:08.180 you not been fired and it's very you pointed out a very very good point there which is i go to the 0.99

00:33:13.220 marketing department because they're the only people there who are going to recognize social 0.98

00:33:17.580 media controversy as anything to give a shit about yeah so if you go to your boss the ceo the coo 0.99

00:33:23.060 anyone many of the main stakeholders they will probably correctly say who who gives a shit people 0.98

00:33:29.360 are on twitter still isn't twitter old aren't just freaks on twitter what's what's gonna huh 0.95

00:33:35.200 what huh what but you need to like get six three to six other people in that guy's office saying

00:33:44.560 no no no we need to worry about this how it's going to look but it's not obvious to me that

00:33:49.140 any stakeholder in any organization actually is scared of this anymore like they used to be now

00:33:54.580 maybe five years ago this sort of online controversy would worry them but yeah this is post

00:34:01.540 me too this is post gamergate we've seen i think more people know that if we just shut up for two

00:34:07.440 weeks this goes away yeah like we we know what happens to people like the worst thing you could 1.00

00:34:12.620 do is say you're sorry maybe if i just say nothing all these spooky women will tire themselves out 1.00

00:34:19.280 like they always fucking do so you need to like find the people who are still fooled by this 1.00

00:34:25.900 which is probably other people who look like you in the marketing department and then cause enough 0.99

00:34:30.880 internal problems where it's like okay whatever whatever i'll pay these what do they cost what

00:34:35.040 they got like 10 grand fine whatever blizzard uses them okay whatever just to make this go away so

00:34:42.180 it's a shakedown but you know maybe i i honestly think that people saw this story and said gamer

00:34:51.080 gate lost but then i look at anita sarkeesian some people said anita sarkeesian one there

00:34:56.900 sargon of akad's arch nemesis the leader of original gamergate creator feminist frequency 1.00

00:35:06.140 she's fucking broke she's busted her organization shut down she's out there with just some 1.00

00:35:12.000 bullshit consultant website like hey hire me she took promo photos ew probably paid for those 1.00

00:35:18.240 yourselves she's all old now she's middle-aged her her smile was always kind of fucked up and 1.00

00:35:25.440 Now it's real fucked up. 0.99

00:35:29.000 Just like Zoe Quinn, just like all these people, 1.00

00:35:30.920 they really aged out of being fuckable. 0.89

00:35:34.620 And they're up against OnlyFans. 0.85

00:35:37.240 They weren't up against OnlyFans back then. 1.00

00:35:38.980 Maybe Zoe Quinn. 1.00

00:35:41.360 An e-whore was new. 1.00

00:35:43.240 There was a time when there weren't e-whores everywhere. 1.00

00:35:47.720 But now they are. 1.00

00:35:48.720 So who's coming up to get you?

00:35:50.720 Not celebrities.

00:35:52.460 Not guys who write checks.

00:35:54.200 so anyway i look at her i'm like well you know if if she won she wouldn't be broken busted

00:35:58.920 winners aren't broken busted they age gracefully or they don't age at all like that guy who's 0.97

00:36:04.860 taking his kid's blood and injecting dolphin screams into his balls whatever you know that

00:36:10.320 guy right yeah no what okay what's the guy i let me see if i can listen it's that guy who's all 0.99

00:36:16.440 over so he's trying to be an anti-aging guy oh oh the dolphin balls guy yeah yeah yeah he's 0.99

00:36:22.860 fucking he's the guy he's the uh fucking created venmo right he has a really alien name like 0.99

00:36:28.660 john roberts or something like that it's like a men in black name 0.99

00:36:32.380 he calls himself the world's most measured human and if you ask him how old he is well here's how

00:36:40.400 he explains it so we can say my left ear is 64 okay so i have hearing damage because a child

00:36:46.480 My diaphragm strength is age 18.

00:36:49.720 My lung capacity is age 18.

00:36:52.480 My heart is about a dozen different ages, different features of it, but it's collectively about 37.

00:36:59.020 For those of us keeping track the old-fashioned way, he's 45.

00:37:02.160 But he might not be aging like the rest of us because he is doing everything he can to try to slow down growing old.

00:37:07.940 It's an open science experiment.

00:37:09.620 What's the end goal?

00:37:10.520 to demonstrate that we can dramatically slow the rate of aging and reverse the aging that 0.99

00:37:17.120 has happened i have the sexual energy of a 17 year old boy he's so he's so fucking crazy 0.99

00:37:24.760 he's all up on fucking twitter saying i have the pursuit speed of an 18 year old 0.99

00:37:30.660 like yeah i'm looking at right now i'm looking at like an interview on 0.99

00:37:35.700 dj vlad tv he looks unreal his face looks like it's got it looks like he's got a reptile neck

00:37:44.900 you gotta see this guy the thing i love about these guys who are so like uh practiced and poised

00:37:50.300 is just imagining just like just beating him up just like getting him out of bowling alley or

00:37:56.040 something and just like whipping him like five guys just whipping him with shoes and he's crying

00:37:59.620 just imagine what what is he gonna do guys yeah exactly like he picks a fight with a guy at a 1.00

00:38:05.180 bowling alley he just gets his ass kicked he breaks his little twiggy legs he's so trans 1.00

00:38:11.480 dimensional that he forgot how to scream he's on the floor you just yeah fucking steel-toed 1.00

00:38:17.340 boot the stomach just goes yeah just exhales like brian cranston serves him right being a 0.99

00:38:24.560 seven-foot naked guy in a bowling alley you'd stop being so fucking tall and naked everywhere 0.90

00:38:30.040 like he i there's no doubt that he's fit he just looks skinny and vascular yeah he looks he looks 0.98

00:38:37.920 sick he does not look healthy to me he doesn't look like a healthy human i i i want you to see

00:38:43.840 i i just sent a link to the youtube they don't even play the video just like skip 0.97

00:38:47.860 through this is nine months ago and look at brian johnson ah yeah oh my god what is going on with

00:38:56.880 his skin what it keeps looking through find a zoom and it's like what what is going on with

00:39:05.620 this guy wearing a thin necklace very thin oh my god outside of his like performance woman's

00:39:16.060 jogging shirt jeez dude look at the way the tops of his shoulders like poke out

00:39:22.400 ah man he's such a dungeon man he's like four snakes four four large tropical snakes in a human

00:39:32.620 skin like writhing around underneath it it's so frightening you know they always hear stories

00:39:38.220 about like um some people who get women to get like breast implants but the body rejects them

00:39:44.000 and so that like they gather at the end like a sock full of quarters that's what his pecs look

00:39:51.580 like yeah it's a sock full of quarters that you beat a guy at with the ball at the bowling i don't

00:39:56.840 know how to describe this but his pecs are too far apart do you think he gets pec implants do

00:40:04.780 you think those are like a 16 year old's pecs that he stole i think he probably went to the 0.99

00:40:09.420 guy and asked for pec widening he asked for fucking pec distancing yeah can i have a pec 0.99

00:40:16.640 engorgement stat please i need everything moved apart just going in like i imagine this fucking 0.98

00:40:25.960 freak coming into your office saying i want to be i'm on i'm all my stuff spread he he almost 0.98

00:40:32.720 looks like a meat canyon cartoon have you seen those yeah yeah yeah he looks it looks like some

00:40:37.380 something drawn by meat canyon yeah like almost like a ren and stimpy zoom in too yeah yeah yeah

00:40:44.580 yeah so anyway this is like the headline here from fortune as well the 45 year old ceo spending

00:40:51.640 2 million a year on anti-aging um yeah it says he's only 45 i thought he was like 60 he's 45 0.99

00:41:00.260 i thought the whole thing 45 this is the thing you look bad for 45 dude you look fucking sick 0.98

00:41:06.380 you look sick you don't like the only thing you could say about him is like he's he has decent 1.00

00:41:11.840 size muscles i guess and he's thin but you don't look healthy you look like you have a fucking 1.00

00:41:16.860 thyroid problem your skin is oily and scaly and you're vascular like a fucking ethiopian child 1.00

00:41:23.840 like what is going on dude here's another uh headline from business insider let's just spend 1.00

00:41:29.360 some time on this guy i love this guy the multi-millionaire entrepreneur infused himself

00:41:36.100 with blood from his 17 year old son he requests to say young forever so that's where it gets kind

00:41:41.700 of dark like you know this was actually a bit from silicon valley if anyone has seen that show

00:41:46.900 one of the great shows from america um this was a bit part from one of the uh the characters in

00:41:55.920 gavin belson he goes he's the main character goes to visit him um and he's he's getting a

00:42:02.820 blood transfusion from what he calls his blood boy he just found like a young a young hot like

00:42:08.840 aryan white guy he's like i'm he's my blood boy just dismissively calling him his blood boy

00:42:14.720 and again that was a funny idea and now now there's just this guy doing that it's real

00:42:20.800 it's real and it's just he's i'm just describe for the folks at home because there is no visual

00:42:26.780 here he's standing in front of a fridge filled with vaccines i assume uh with one of those

00:42:34.200 women's mullets that are pretty popular in the lesbian community he looks to be wearing i can

00:42:39.760 only describe this as like a ridley scott uh costume from like an alien movie like a vest

00:42:47.740 almost a tactical alien vest you know and he's supposed to be he's got smooth skin here but i'm

00:42:57.020 like he could just also be wearing makeup you know what i mean yeah yeah you just be a man

00:43:02.840 wearing a lot of concealer yeah i mean look for the amount of money he claims to have spent this 0.99

00:43:08.300 could all just be fucking cg yeah how do we know he's even real maybe dick johnson's even a real 0.98

00:43:13.800 guy i'll say this is something women deal with a lot um not every woman but like i'm seeing a photo 0.99

00:43:20.340 of him with his son his son who is obviously younger more virile more attractive and just

00:43:27.240 him trying to like reclaim that yeah you know it's like like the mother who's jealous of her

00:43:33.160 daughter and wants that youth and so like you know it gets really really weird not again not every

00:43:38.640 mother does that but like i've never seen a guy do that like this this is very like 0.96

00:43:43.600 fucking retired party girl mom behavior yeah it is also like i think if you want to live forever 0.99

00:43:53.460 you should be bringing something to the table 1.00

00:43:56.300 other than just wanting to live forever

00:43:58.180 you know what I mean like you can't be living

00:44:00.340 forever because I just want to be the

00:44:02.380 living forever guy

00:44:03.400 no it's because he's number 1486

00:44:06.720 on rich American dudes

00:44:08.280 like he's part way

00:44:10.360 up the ladder of very rich guy

00:44:12.140 but not like insanely rich

00:44:14.000 but he's pretty rich 1.00

00:44:14.920 like you made a shitty fucking app 1.00

00:44:18.200 so that people can pay 1.00

00:44:20.100 credit for their pizza slices

00:44:21.800 congratulations

00:44:22.680 here's just a funny line from the business insider article

00:44:26.200 according to bloomberg business week

00:44:28.240 johnson's newest venture

00:44:29.900 project blueprint involves

00:44:32.060 doing everything possible to reverse the aging

00:44:34.220 process

00:44:34.780 it's like i have this new idea i want to do

00:44:38.240 everything i can to not die

00:44:39.920 that's not a company

00:44:41.360 not a venture 1.00

00:44:44.020 you asshole 1.00

00:44:44.860 oh no there's a photo of him with like his son 1.00

00:44:50.340 embracing him from behind i don't like i don't like what's going on don't let black people know 0.81

00:44:56.720 this is going on well is he white i think so he's all right right maybe ryan johnson 0.96

00:45:03.480 like you said that is an extraterrestrial yeah we can't let the non-whites know that 0.70

00:45:10.460 this is going on we're never going to hear the end of it i know like everyone's going to say 0.89

00:45:15.820 the same thing guess what you know incest happens more often and not like i get i know i know the 0.66

00:45:21.560 stats tell me like i don't fucking know i don't keep up with who's raping who here's the thing 0.99

00:45:26.500 though the narrative is that white people are weird we do weird shit with science and i don't 0.99

00:45:32.660 want them finding out about this guy yeah i can't have it this is like when you hear about all the 1.00

00:45:37.560 fucking boys africa bombada raped black people didn't want white people knowing about that they 0.99

00:45:41.800 don't want us to hear about their molesters i want to keep this out of their heads it's it's 1.00

00:45:48.340 i just wanted to point out because it's we talked a lot recently about the uh the california

00:45:53.340 ideology or whatever it was called what was that called good callback dominating this is the same 0.98

00:45:59.300 shit like this guy and you mentioned like oh well you why why do you want to live forever well i'm 0.99

00:46:03.960 the guy i'm the live forever guy no but like what else are you a really good dad like are you a 1.00

00:46:08.740 great painter like no you you are nothing like as a man you you you in silicon valley with a lot of 1.00

00:46:14.460 other people's money created more money congratulations you rode the boom you faggot 1.00

00:46:18.500 like why why you and actually when you hear him talk he is such a fucking elitist and you look at 1.00

00:46:26.320 the way he's destroying himself and destroying his credibility to any normal person these are 0.98

00:46:31.320 the types of people who want to who think that they should rule the earth they really think

00:46:37.540 like you you had said it on the california ideology that that democracy and the will of

00:46:43.920 the people is just a stumbling block to their genius ideas yeah there's like an old piece of

00:46:51.420 wisdom that i'm just making up but it sounds like it could exist which is that you know the types of

00:46:57.580 people who want to live forever are the exact people who probably shouldn't live forever like

00:47:03.280 the idea of this guy specifically living forever i'm like that's i don't want an alien race to

00:47:09.560 stumble upon this guy and they think that he's indicative of everything else you know um you

00:47:15.640 know who's not going to live forever is kate middleton i heard she's dead i'm going to set

00:47:22.980 this up properly i'm going to set it up by saying academic agent we wish him well

00:47:29.400 he did a stream recently

00:47:32.740 that was

00:47:33.980 widely loathed and despised

00:47:36.580 not by us

00:47:38.600 we love him

00:47:39.360 people are cruel

00:47:42.280 not us

00:47:45.060 we

00:47:46.500 but I want to

00:47:48.000 here's the thing though

00:47:49.200 everyone hated that episode

00:47:50.780 they said

00:47:51.460 boring

00:47:52.320 this isn't news

00:47:53.420 what are you talking about 0.99

00:47:54.560 you can't fucking rub these two sticks together 1.00

00:47:57.120 I say poppycock 0.99

00:47:58.920 i say let's take a cue from the bloods over here let me see let me show you how to do it right 0.98

00:48:05.880 act me agent i got one for you how about kate milton never fucking existed 0.99

00:48:10.040 damn whoa guess what faggot kate milton was never alive yeah oh you're gonna show me some 1.00

00:48:21.740 photoshop for a hand she don't have hands you ever see have you ever looked at the hand bet 1.00

00:48:26.800 you have and look at your hands right now psych gotcha faggot look i'm looking at a tweet right 0.97

00:48:31.620 now it's uh the conspiracy comes from uh no one has seen her since december of last year 0.99

00:48:40.620 but there's been all these publicity photos of course photos with family i know by now we all

00:48:46.540 know that this photo has probably been photoshopped to hell and back but i've been doing some research

00:48:50.440 and i really believe that this photo was taken back in november of 2023 or some version of

00:48:56.740 this photo and if you don't believe me that this photo is really photoshopped or fake or whatever

00:49:00.780 then look no further than this notice from ap that they sent out telling people not to publish it

00:49:05.680 because there was evidence that it had been manipulated i'm not going to waste your time

00:49:09.800 pointing out all the different evidence of photoshop it's all over twitter just go look

00:49:13.260 instead i'm going to say let's take a really good look at these outfits and i'm looking at

00:49:18.380 right now excuses well the thing is we've seen lots of photos of her of this famous actress

00:49:26.260 but uh the photos are photoshopped basically it's uh i'm looking at one from a ruby naldritt

00:49:32.360 says my analysis of the kate middleton photo saga is that it took her face from the vogue cover she

00:49:37.980 did years ago and edited it so there's all these you know transparencies being done where they take

00:49:42.620 a photo and look look how identical she looks to this other photo uh a counterpoint to that

00:49:48.800 could be that these people are so coached and manicured to public life celebrity life that

00:49:57.460 they kind of have their photography face like there's no doubt in my mind that kate middleton

00:50:03.480 has the same practiced smile that they all do you know because they have to you know here's 0.96

00:50:10.180 and here's my good side make sure whatever photo you angle your head fucking 10 degrees to the 0.64

00:50:15.200 have to do this exact smile so it's actually not inconceivable that she could have a photoshop 0.63

00:50:20.900 like face however the rumor is that kate middleton is is deceased and i guess i guess

00:50:29.680 i don't you know to me in canada we um we don't really we follow the royal family in an interesting

00:50:40.000 way we follow the royal family the same way i think they do in britain but a bit more distant

00:50:45.840 like i think people like they seem to like to loathe them but they really like kate middleton

00:50:52.560 you know i mean like they that's also why they love princess diana i was shopping for books

00:50:58.040 for my son recently and i found like a children's picture book all about princess diana

00:51:05.800 that's an odd thing to make that then i don't know how many movies and shows there are about

00:51:11.360 princess diana this this weird dead whore but like what she represented to i guess the british 0.99

00:51:19.320 psyche that she was like rebelling against the royal family or making them look embarrassed and 0.95

00:51:25.220 people liked that similarly like people i think they love and hate k milton like it's hard for me

00:51:31.360 to understand the psychological relationship people have with the royal family what do you think

00:51:36.880 yeah i mean it definitely took a turn with not with kate but with the mulatto chick whose name

00:51:46.520 i can't remember but with the three the two marriages and the death of the queen to in my

00:51:52.340 opinion the whole thing has gone off in canada but it hasn't gone off like people hate the royals

00:51:56.300 it's kind of like um it's embarrassing and we've kind of brushed the royals under the rug and we

00:52:01.800 don't really want to talk about it anymore because i remember prior to that right when

00:52:06.200 when what's his name is it harry who married kate i can't fucking remember but when they got married

00:52:12.480 and the queen was still alive it was like oh this is joyous it's going to be the rejuvenation of the 0.93

00:52:18.240 empire and of the royal family like my family is all they all fucking love the royals so uh but

00:52:24.500 yeah i mean it's weird it's yeah yeah the thing with diana i agree with you there was but i think 0.64

00:52:30.540 that was kind of a 90s uh irreverent thing where it's like yeah uh we're i wonder if that was an

00:52:37.460 american thing like fuck the royals would maybe the british guys can weigh in could do people 0.83

00:52:42.800 really love diana that much i don't know i don't remember really being that interested and i not 0.99

00:52:47.300 me but i mean like i don't remember my family being so interested in it and i think that was

00:52:51.160 yeah as a kid everyone had to have an opinion on this thing called the paparazzi oh absolutely

00:52:58.100 a paparazzi killed diana you're like taking photos like what is that you have to explain

00:53:02.260 that to me um and then we everyone really cared about that for a while and then obviously that

00:53:08.140 went away and now we have tmz who haven't killed nearly enough people but i feel like that was the

00:53:15.180 cope that was the media cope that it's like oh this is all the paparazzi's fault that they took

00:53:18.960 our darling diana because what i remember was there was kind of um there was a little bit of

00:53:25.060 controversy over diana herself that a lot of people like my grandmother who was insanely

00:53:30.360 obsessed with the royals didn't like her at all and thought that it was very embarrassing that

00:53:35.340 she was even allowed to marry uh charles so like there was and no i wouldn't say she was glad that 0.99

00:53:41.840 she was dead but uh was not you know it wasn't the issue the controversy wasn't the fucking 0.99

00:53:47.300 paparazzi the controversy was what was she doing with that fucking arab guy in the tunnel in the 0.99

00:53:51.500 first place yeah so try this one for size not only am i happy she's dead i'm happy she was 0.99

00:53:56.900 assassinated i praise the paparazzi for a job well done i i love the paparazzi who sniped her

00:54:05.360 as she went into that tunnel and then covered it up deftly with that car accident beautiful

00:54:11.440 beautiful because remember she was in a limo when's the last time you've heard a limo

00:54:14.940 get into an accident i bet never probably never exactly and they seem like they would easily get 0.57

00:54:20.580 into an accident they're so long so you know you could you fucking bend the wrong way snap it in

00:54:28.180 half right but you know thank god for the paparazzi being able to curve the bullet the way they did 1.00

00:54:35.360 and send it barreling through her eyeball and out her asshole and then through her thigh and 1.00

00:54:44.280 her ankle again, right in the 1.00

00:54:46.460 ground. Flawless.

00:54:48.920 Throne defended.

00:54:50.840 And then a real

00:54:52.400 MIB type agent

00:54:54.380 came and swept it up after.

00:54:56.700 Like Agent 47 did.

00:54:58.660 Collected the evidence.

00:55:00.740 No one was looking in the pavement

00:55:02.600 for a sniper bullet.

00:55:06.280 And of course, you know, her, she was

00:55:08.380 drenched 1.00

00:55:09.680 in Arab guts. 1.00

00:55:12.540 From what you tell me, there was an 1.00

00:55:14.240 arab in the car i can only speculate but uh everyone in there obviously was liquefied as

00:55:20.120 well yeah instantly which was a second assassin yes i want i haven't heard that but the guy 0.87

00:55:30.100 his name's like fazeed or whoever the fucking guy was in the car like he was actually there 0.93

00:55:34.760 because he was trying to kill her and she was like swerving to get away from the assassin's blade 0.99

00:55:40.040 um and that's a great that's a great that she died he killed himself out of honor as his people

00:55:48.320 often do then the the limo driver looks back puts both his hands up like what what do you want from

00:55:56.880 me crashes took a hand off the wheel eye off the road only takes a second this is totally

00:56:05.880 rejuvenated my interest in the

00:56:08.120 Princess Diana

00:56:09.220 assassination. Not death,

00:56:11.820 assassination. The triple 0.79

00:56:13.800 assassination. The double

00:56:15.560 assassination, whoopsie-daisy.

00:56:20.280 By the way, guys, that's how you do a Kay Middleton

00:56:23.620 second.

00:56:27.400 You spend most of it talking about how Diana

00:56:29.880 was assassinated by 0.99

00:56:31.060 the Arab, yeah. 1.00

00:56:34.420 Do you want to do a quick movie corner?

00:56:35.880 because that reminds me of a movie I saw.

00:56:38.200 Sure.

00:56:39.840 It's Movie Corner! 1.00

00:56:45.360 Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! Shut up! 1.00

00:56:47.780 Shut up! Shut up! 1.00

00:56:50.440 Okay, so this one was recommended 1.00

00:56:52.740 by our good friend,

00:56:54.900 an intrepid listener, Barry Linden.

00:56:57.160 And he's been recommending it for like two months

00:56:59.000 and I just got around to seeing it.

00:57:00.780 It was this French film

00:57:03.300 from the 90s called

00:57:05.140 man bites dog and that's the english title the original title was it happened in your neighborhood

00:57:12.860 it's like a dark a dark comedy mockumentary i guess all mockumentaries are dark comedy but

00:57:20.720 the main character is also a french comedian and so he's kind of the the real center of gravity

00:57:27.540 this whole movie but it's a early 90s black and white like really black and white in a black and

00:57:35.380 white where it was like an i don't know if they cranked up the contrast on it but it was almost

00:57:41.180 like a black metal album cover like the darks were really dark it was and the contrast and the

00:57:46.980 difference between them was so high it looked really like unreal and bleak to me but anyway

00:57:53.520 it follows it's it's about this young man camera crew and they're following around this guy named

00:57:58.280 benoit who's just like a serial killer and they're following him around making a movie about him

00:58:05.220 um and it's it's what's interesting and maybe this is a limitation of the movie but he doesn't

00:58:13.900 there's nothing really sexual about his killings he just uses a gun it's not a knife he's not out

00:58:19.300 they're mutilating corpses he almost seems to do it for financial reasons and he's very irreverent

00:58:26.260 and funny about it and philosophical and he goes on these tangents honestly i'm going to start by

00:58:32.760 saying this watch this movie because a new literally me just dropped like you're watching

00:58:40.060 this guy he's walking around like a turtleneck and a long black coat skinny guy and he's going 0.88

00:58:45.040 off about he's like look at this fucking architecture like we used to understand beauty 0.97

00:58:50.060 in this country he's going off about like you know like the french we used to know how to design our 0.98

00:58:56.140 cities and then we took everyone we were living in these houses and we moved them over into these 1.00

00:59:00.920 big brutalist buildings to make it so the old people could be around young people now no one

00:59:06.100 can afford to do anything and he's like going off i'm like i've heard this before i've heard like

00:59:11.520 three guys from our chat go off on this this exact thing yeah and he's reciting poetry

00:59:17.880 and um going off on like like and he's what he's doing is he's just got like a gun and he's

00:59:26.740 shooting old people and stealing their money so there's almost a financial reason for it

00:59:32.060 and he's got sort of like yeah you gotta do what you gotta do man's gotta live and obviously he 0.98

00:59:36.580 seems to there are random killings in there but like he'll like kill an old lady and just shoot 0.83

00:59:42.580 her oh no what he says is the and this is why i thought he was a literally you too he says that 0.92

00:59:47.040 the first of every month he likes to kill a postman and he'll just think all these of him

00:59:52.620 that's like strangling mailmen in the street in like a dark alley so he can like steal pension 0.91

00:59:57.140 checks but i'm like oh jesus is gonna love that he kills postman i hate civil servants and uh

01:00:06.500 and people know about it he's kind of open about it and there's there's this great scene where 0.90

01:00:13.080 like he's trying they kill like this old lady and she just has a heart attack he doesn't actually

01:00:18.780 kill her he just kind of scares her and then they're like out he's like man you know i could

01:00:22.140 go for right now go for some muscles like you guys want to hang out and they're like um i'm busy 0.98

01:00:26.900 just fucking just fucking cancel it man let's go let's get get some drinks let's really let's 0.97

01:00:32.140 tear it up tonight they're like i don't know man and he's like all he's like oh okay yeah 0.99

01:00:36.360 whatever another time he's all dejected like they don't want to hang out with him 0.88

01:00:41.300 and then the next scene's them eating muscles together and they're just fucking drunk and he 0.52

01:00:46.060 like recites a poem and like throws up in the restaurant and there's this scene where 0.61

01:00:53.440 it's such a perfect scene this is where the comedy comes in like they're in a 0.82

01:00:57.540 shipyard and there's a black security guard and he like just kills a black security or shoots 0.92

01:01:02.940 him in the head it's like look at this young guy young african guy they bring him over here 0.97

01:01:07.780 they put him in these it's so dark out he's got black skin no one can see him 1.00

01:01:11.880 you know this poor guy what's he doing here he shouldn't even be here to be he's going on like 1.00

01:01:15.940 a migration rant right and then there's they're like oh help me up so no i'm not going to touch

01:01:21.560 him i'm not going to touch him well why not aids he just looks at the camera and he's serious 0.98

01:01:26.760 he looks in the camera and says aids this fuck i love this movie now just it's the most like you 0.99

01:01:33.040 know it's he's it's the aids i'm not gonna touch him and they're like there's this brutal it's 0.99

01:01:38.140 like the scene where they they kill like a family and it's like this terrible fucking scene and then 0.99

01:01:43.600 it's he's at the end of it he's like this is why i fucking hate suburban homes like this is fucked 0.99

01:01:48.240 up this is fucked up that we did this and he's like the last line he's like there should be a 0.99

01:01:54.660 law against this and it's just like he's commenting on society like what it's fucked up the society 0.97

01:02:03.940 permits us to do this um but it's kind of cool because like there's gun there's a lot of gun

01:02:10.260 fights in it and he um he kind of just tosses bodies into the like this reservoir this um

01:02:18.600 this quarry and shit and you kind of meet his he beats family his mother and father are lovely 0.88

01:02:24.320 people they own a store and um he's got this like girlfriend kind of who know and they all know what 0.98

01:02:31.060 he does but they're like yeah you know whatever um but it just kind of follows them around and

01:02:37.120 these weird circumstances but it it is kind of a um like it does look like it's almost like a

01:02:44.700 student movie it's low low budget um some of the special effects will look you know kind of dated

01:02:51.400 but uh if you can put up with that it's actually a really funny movie and you know the story goes

01:02:56.380 that one of the guys he kills is some kind of italian gangster who starts coming after them

01:03:03.280 and targeting people that are close to him so it's something a serial killer crossing against

01:03:10.240 like a mob i thought was kind of a like i've never seen that before that's kind of an interesting

01:03:14.300 plot device um he doesn't seem to even relish the killing it's just like he just shoots them and

01:03:20.520 he's done and it's kind of cool for him anyway um and then but i started thinking about it and

01:03:27.040 just how bleak the movie is because his hideout is in this old dilapidated french building

01:03:32.420 so it's it's not a it's gorgeous on the inside but it's sort of like uh decrepit majesty right

01:03:39.220 there's all these amazing shots of these like high vaulted ceilings and the wallpaper peeling off

01:03:45.280 like the fucking post-apocalyptic Versailles or something like that and like it looks cool um and

01:03:51.960 that that'd be the best part of the movie I think but um it's got me thinking that you know you don't 0.93

01:03:57.360 see a lot of movies like that like it almost reminded me of like a metro 2077 or like um

01:04:04.180 stalker in a sense where i'm like it's a guy who in his own mind is like killing people just to

01:04:11.940 rob them to survive and there's this idea like oh you gotta eat and i just start thinking like i bet

01:04:17.140 you would see something like this in you know post-world war ii germany you know the bifurcated

01:04:26.600 germany east versus west germany you would probably see something like this in eastern

01:04:31.240 europe after the fall of the soviet union like how many like you don't see stories about a guy

01:04:36.960 like people people among the ruins yeah you know you know you always hear a statistic that

01:04:42.480 after the soviets invaded germany something like 200 000 women were raped

01:04:49.080 right and abortion skyrocketed but like i i've never read a story or seen a movie where it's

01:04:57.320 Like, what's it like to live in a city after every woman is raped?

01:05:01.640 What does that do to your collective psychology, really?

01:05:04.940 You know, what is the next few years of that look like?

01:05:08.160 What's dating look like, right?

01:05:10.780 Because we talk in our spaces, like, the big, you know, manosphere, red pill stuff. 1.00

01:05:16.060 Like, you don't want to get these women who got a lot of bodies, you know. 1.00

01:05:19.460 These women are whores. 1.00

01:05:20.520 I'm like, true. 1.00

01:05:21.620 but there's harsh realities that a lot of these you know post-war countries had to deal with

01:05:27.680 where like maybe half the women were molested and raped you're gonna not date that are you

01:05:32.140 gonna let your country die yeah you know what i mean like you get you gotta you gotta deal with

01:05:36.780 it and this just reminded me of something a movie that you could have seen coming out of

01:05:41.960 you know any any post-soviet bloc country or any like the cold war story of what it's like people 0.96

01:05:49.300 like really like murdering each other to steal the pennies in their pocket or even fuck even in 0.90

01:05:54.420 the soviet union if you want to go there like after the soviet union fell and you kind of get 0.96

01:05:59.500 a taste of this with the movie like eastern promises you get a peek at the the gangster

01:06:04.780 lifestyle and how how ingrained they are into the entertainment industry and politics and everything

01:06:10.640 but you never hear about like what's it like just as a young guy in this severely not more

01:06:19.040 nihilistic than anything we've ever really encountered you know what i mean um and again

01:06:24.460 i hate to uh always bring him up but louis ck he had this really great uh clip i read about

01:06:31.800 when he was younger um i think he was working for snl or something but he said he had a bit of time

01:06:38.640 off he just went to russia just because he'd never been just went to russia by himself and

01:06:43.220 he was describing just as a guy who doesn't speak russian flying into moscow and he says it's unreal

01:06:49.880 because it's just forest it's just like black forest all around and then then just this city

01:06:55.780 planted in the middle and he's like as you're going down you don't want to go there you're like

01:07:00.100 i've made a huge mistake like it's it's very it's kind of spooky and just describing some of the

01:07:06.020 stuff he had seen there like the the level of poverty you'd see in some areas is is like i

01:07:13.200 guess it's not unreal now because we see it happening here but he had this crazy story about

01:07:19.340 how he there's like a a guy um stating that he's a guy like a soldier a man who had fought in the

01:07:28.240 war some war and he was there and he was old and his shoe was falling apart and he beckoned over

01:07:34.620 to this young boy and they're speaking in russian doesn't know what they're saying but he's asked

01:07:39.440 him for something and the boy hand reaches into his pocket and hands him a bunch of glue to fix

01:07:45.680 his shoe and he hands it back to the boy who like puts it in a paper bag and immediately begins

01:07:50.440 huffing the glue because this young this guy had said my shoe's broken who will have glue oh that 0.95

01:07:57.520 young boy those guys huff glue all the fucking time like why would someone have shoe glue in 0.99

01:08:02.420 their pocket well a fucking glue addict would and apparently if you were young enough it's a fair to 1.00

01:08:08.580 assume that you would be a fucking glue huffer you know what i mean but it's like i wanted like 1.00

01:08:14.520 those stories seem like what benoit would be here like you're you're shooting postmen to steal 0.99

01:08:21.180 pension checks and you feel nothing about it and the people around you feel nothing about it too

01:08:27.060 it's just well you got to do what you got to survive like survival is such an everyday thing 0.98

01:08:31.100 where you're like well you know they're old so i guess you got to shoot them to take their money

01:08:35.080 like i i hey i do it too like that's what they would say yeah and i don't know like that's such 0.95

01:08:40.020 a different frame of mind that i'd like to kind of keep beside me keep beside me that those stories

01:08:47.300 exist maybe those will be our stories one day yeah maybe that's where it's happening i don't know but

01:08:51.900 it's like if you think it's gonna happen then pay close attention to these types of stories because

01:08:58.340 that's what it's gonna be like yeah anyway that's kind of a somber way to end but i do think you

01:09:04.940 should you should check out man by talk you find it not on any streaming platform you're gonna have

01:09:09.360 to download it but you know it's not the greatest movie ever it's it's unlike anything you'll have

01:09:15.220 seen it doesn't have a great ending you know it's kind of uneven but it's it's good i think

01:09:20.220 you especially would like it and i think i think our listeners will find a lot to like in the main

01:09:25.720 benoit character and then the story is like how the the film crew gets wrapped up in the murders

01:09:31.360 they become participating in it too and all that shit just a couple of things we're going to

01:09:37.200 mention regarding the show um we mentioned this every episode i'd want to give a shout out to

01:09:43.440 axios uh remote coaching i'm still working with axios um he's building out workout and training

01:09:51.100 regiments for me i've had nothing but great experience so far with that um it's great

01:09:57.180 working with someone who can kind of tailor it to what you're trying to go for um so i can't

01:10:02.980 recommend them enough i know a lot of guys in our space are starting to deal with him as well so

01:10:07.100 axios remote coaching uh if you want to get in shape or kind of revitalize whatever it is you're

01:10:13.840 doing because it's easy to stagnate um that's where i was at i had a work routine but i was

01:10:18.520 doing the same shit over and over again i wasn't getting anywhere so i can't recommend that enough

01:10:22.900 um over on the uh paywall we are going next week after this airs we're going to be releasing a new 0.96

01:10:31.760 episode of real secret coffee hours uh it's going to be well over an hour 45 i think and it is

01:10:40.420 covering a recent conflict uh argument between keith woods an academic agent on the role of

01:10:48.760 ideology versus elite theory so if you got any interest in elite theory you got any interest in

01:10:53.900 ideology they've been going at it for years they represent two ends of this sort of spectrum

01:10:58.600 um two both ends of the autism spectrum but uh give it a look if if you i i was not very kind

01:11:09.680 to one of them and you'll have to listen to figure out which one that is but you can probably guess

01:11:16.780 um and uh right about now we're going to be having the next uh iteration the next edition

01:11:25.800 of crimes chat and just to remind people crimes chat is a segment we have every episode

01:11:30.980 where listeners of the show send us an audio recording this could be on telegram send me

01:11:36.420 voice message or send me an audio file to our email blood satellite at protonmail.com

01:11:44.180 i've never given a preferred length in the past then we had a good friend of ours westwood send

01:11:52.720 a 10 minute crimes chat that was a couple episodes ago so let's try and keep it below 10 minutes

01:11:58.720 i'd say maybe five minutes is a sweet spot gentlemen so we're looking for stories we're

01:12:04.120 looking for jokes looking for any question anything that you think is interesting you know

01:12:09.060 the show you know what we talk about don't be a dummy send something interesting so i got one

01:12:15.020 coming up here and and we're gonna play that now

01:12:18.200 hello herr dimes this is space age maximalist i'm sorry if i'm screaming a little bit i'm

01:12:34.020 in a nightclub at the moment you know normally i would be in guatemala doing my work but a friend

01:12:38.980 of mine he's playing in berlin absolutely fantastic dj so i had to come out and fly and see him

01:12:44.340 now i wanted to make a quick point for your crimes chat segment on the podcast so i think that you

01:12:51.380 know i i'm here i'm currently well i'm not going to say i'm fully sober but nevertheless i have my 0.97

01:12:57.060 wits about me uh there's these strange filipino people they are they are all you know one meter

01:13:03.380 50 asking me for pills left and right they really don't know what they're doing but nevertheless i 0.99

01:13:08.660 was here reflecting on the experience of going out to the nightlife and and wondering how can

01:13:14.900 we use this for our purposes because you know you go out it's quite hedonistic to some degree it's

01:13:20.980 nihilistic and there are times we are in times where you can't really afford to to be weak

01:13:27.300 like this and to let go and yeah no no ping dong no i don't have any more pills you know i already

01:13:34.580 gave you two uh excuse me so currently these these experiences they are vehicles for you know

01:13:43.300 experiences that are so subconscious they they go into uh messaging right into your soul

01:13:50.740 subliminal messaging and so on and you know you can inject whatever you want to into people's

01:13:55.700 consciousness uh you could put in all sorts of ideas about peace and love and so on and that's

01:14:01.300 fine and that's what old house music used to be all about back in the 90s and 2000s nowadays it's 1.00

01:14:06.660 not really like that anymore people go around dressing like they're goths all these zoomers 1.00

01:14:12.420 dressing around in leather and black and so on thinking they're cool but it was all over 20 years 1.00

01:14:17.300 ago nevertheless i want to say that for our own purposes in our sphere in the outer right the

01:14:23.060 distant right whatever you want to call it we can be making events like this and you know using this

01:14:28.980 electronic music and the tribal rhythms and so on to uh incentivate uh better uh yeah you know

01:14:37.060 states of mind higher it can be aspirational and you can pull people higher instead of bringing

01:14:43.380 them down to this animalistic level so you know i i just wanted to make this quick point before i 0.96

01:14:48.900 get dragged back as there's another group here with the filipinos a bunch of brits they they

01:14:54.500 are all on way too much of whatever they're on nevertheless i think i was telling them about

01:14:59.300 nick land and you know how how ai is going to come from the future as a god to uh heat all of

01:15:06.020 their minds into the borg and so uh i hope you are having a good time in the in this blood satellite

01:15:13.300 podcast and i wish you all the best so uh yeah dimes uh i i wish you goodbye and hopefully

01:15:22.580 when i'm done with this and and have recovered i can uh we can talk better about this how what

01:15:27.700 do you think about this okay i go now i leave the the back room now and um yeah have a good one

01:15:34.420 wow that was a good one wasn't it judas 0.95

01:15:47.380 i i absolutely yes holy mackinaw damn i can't believe he did that to his sister 0.95

01:15:57.540 Oh, don't get specific now. 0.98

01:15:58.860 Okay. 1.00

01:16:00.420 You have shown your ass. 1.00

01:16:02.060 You started out strong in this episode. 1.00

01:16:04.780 Humiliation.

01:16:06.000 Everyone here remembers what I was saying.

01:16:07.600 I was singing your praises at the start.

01:16:09.500 Now look at me.

01:16:10.640 I've thrown it all away.

01:16:12.300 You dragged me down into the muck.

01:16:15.980 By the way, how are you doing?

01:16:17.380 I think this is another classic

01:16:19.220 hasn't let Judas talk episode.

01:16:21.980 No, no.

01:16:22.540 I'm not.

01:16:23.240 there's none of my uh nothing in my realm so far so we're good i am listening and learning

01:16:30.300 a black woman is speaking okay um how's the family how's everything by the way good fantastic 1.00

01:16:39.920 my girls are uh they're talking they're learning to write they're they're shitting they're shitting 1.00

01:16:44.620 in the toilet it's oh man really yeah both of them now how your youngest how old is she she is 0.97

01:16:52.640 two and a half so that's a good age like around there is my eldest was like around

01:16:58.640 28 30 months when she got potty trained so my youngest is a little lagging a little behind

01:17:05.600 we didn't push really hard on it because of their living situation we don't like

01:17:11.120 previously we had them both at home all the time so it was easy for us to just put them

01:17:15.240 training pants and go for like a week and just force them but now they're at daycare and then

01:17:19.320 they're with the grandparents so we never have like five days with them straight where we can

01:17:23.360 do it but anyway she's she's picked it up two and a half years she's all right so uh the problem is

01:17:28.700 now now that she's thinks it's like cool and it's rewarding she's like every 30 minutes she's like

01:17:34.800 i gotta go to the washroom no you don't she's like yeah i do and she goes and she just sits on

01:17:39.460 the toilet for like 20 minutes and nothing and then leaves and then like 30 40 minutes later i

01:17:44.340 gotta go to the washroom all right you know what part life is all about returning you know

01:17:52.060 as a you're probably looking at that like she's going to the bathroom too much as a man as you

01:17:58.320 so direly mentioned before the show started getting close to 40 yeah sad i want to i want

01:18:04.920 to reclaim that youthful innocence i just want to be in the bathroom all the time yeah it's the myth

01:18:10.480 of the eternal return it's the myth of the eternal return everyone should just be in the bathroom 0.76

01:18:16.700 shitting pissing all day we're gonna get there when we're old enough but you know what i need 0.66

01:18:21.340 to go now you know maybe we all need to go now if i were brian johnson i'd create a new venture 0.99

01:18:25.600 and i'd do everything in my power to just shit all the time spend all my time in the washroom 0.99

01:18:31.220 i'm ejecting my son's blood because i want to shit and piss more 0.99

01:18:34.780 my son has aids by the way 1.00

01:18:38.100 my son has aids

01:18:40.020 I forgot to mention 0.83

01:18:44.100 my son is horribly diseased 0.98

01:18:46.540 that would be 0.98

01:18:49.720 a great prank for the son to play on the dad

01:18:52.540 like I'm sorry my blood's polluted

01:18:54.720 hey dad

01:18:59.860 did you take that blood did you like it

01:19:01.720 yeah why did you take the blood

01:19:03.480 yeah i took the blood why what do you say i swapped it with sriracha sauce 0.98

01:19:07.480 and then he again being a billionaire doesn't make you smart he's just a certified retards like 0.97

01:19:17.640 so i'm gay now no it's sriracha sauce yeah it's just not knowing what's going on he doesn't know 0.98

01:19:25.180 what vietnamese spicy sriracha sauce is i'm black now i got an article here

01:19:34.380 and i'm gonna try and sew this to the beginning of the last thing i want to talk about

01:19:41.420 and it's uh published in discourse it's it was published in 2022 but it's written by martin

01:19:49.860 gurry the article is titled the fifth wave is the medium really the message and this kind of

01:19:57.620 piked my interest because we were talking about you know marshall mcclew and we're doing a whole

01:20:03.400 series on sort of the metaphysics of language and communication and i just wanted to maybe go

01:20:11.840 through this a little bit and just read it before we kind of dovetail to the next thing

01:20:16.740 he says in a recent new york times opinion piece ezra klein shares a guilty secret he says i

01:20:24.320 didn't want it to be true but the medium really is the message as a millennial and thus part of

01:20:29.980 the first generation of digital natives don't you hate that i've been hearing that my whole

01:20:35.200 digital natives i have professors tell me that it made me sick every time anyway klein tells us

01:20:41.500 that he adored the new medium with its endless expanses of information he adds my life my career

01:20:48.140 and my identity were digital constructs as much as they were physical ones of course we all know

01:20:54.180 where this is headed trump and twitter happened uh christ this felt like a sinister apotheosis

01:21:00.240 also known as a very bad thing inevitably klein fell out of love with the web to his credit and

01:21:06.640 And unlike most anti-technology, it says crotchets.

01:21:11.280 I want to say crochets, but maybe that's something else.

01:21:13.940 Crotches.

01:21:14.640 He looks for an explanation for this failed romance among media theorists who have a lot to say on the subject.

01:21:20.940 And that's an interesting thing to think about.

01:21:22.360 We very rarely tap right into the liberal mind like this. 1.00

01:21:28.860 But you have to understand how Libs thought the internet was the shit. 0.98

01:21:32.340 libs thought the internet was the democratization of information and you have to understand how much 0.97

01:21:39.500 like trump and us ruin that for them like we made these people anti-internet and i don't think we 0.97

01:21:46.540 get enough credit for that for chasing the libs off the internet we did that with fucking taylor 1.00

01:21:51.640 lorenz you can't be a journalist now without standing under a fucking waterfall of shit 1.00

01:21:58.460 you're welcome that's another thing millennials did for everyone by the way we made 1.00

01:22:03.420 journalists scared to go out at night and during the day

01:22:06.940 now journalists used to be something that i used to bring up in family there now you you lie you 0.99

01:22:13.680 say you're in new media you're a journalist oh yeah like fucking uh like fucking rubenstein 0.98

01:22:21.480 and hammerschmidt they'd want to say now they're like a researcher or an influencer or something 0.99

01:22:26.520 but i think even 30 years ago if you were with one of these publications you could tell people

01:22:31.560 at a party you were a journalist and they'd be impressed you know that was a that's a an

01:22:35.780 achievement not like it pays well but like wow really that's that's an important job now it's 0.94

01:22:41.220 fucking embarrassing which is wonderful you know if my son comes home and says actually you know 0.97

01:22:47.880 i have a career i'm a truth teller what about bisect him with a searing hot scimitar you best 0.99

01:22:56.160 belief i'm not good my son's not gonna be a fucking journalist klein recalls a dramatic 0.98

01:23:02.880 moment of recognition hunger that was the word that hooked me that's how my brain felt to me too 0.98

01:23:08.460 hungry needy itchy but having confessed that his life career and identity were digital constructs

01:23:15.140 and that he felt not okay with it this but superior to those who came before me

01:23:19.520 the itch to re-enter the construct shouldn't come as a surprise next up is marshall mcclellan

01:23:25.460 famous today as klein reminds us for his oracular judgment the medium is the message for the message

01:23:31.300 of any medium or technology is the change of scale or pace or pattern that it introduces to human

01:23:38.100 affairs and for those who remember our coverage of mccluan this will sound very familiar mccluan

01:23:43.220 was among the first to grasp that the structure of information is far more determinative than the

01:23:49.140 content. Another effect of the digital medium is more indirect, but may also be more profound.

01:23:55.380 The moment one enters the online environment, the self begins to liquefy. The lack of external or

01:24:02.040 internal pressures make it impossible to maintain a definitive shape or character. On the web,

01:24:07.840 you can become anyone or anything, a vertigo-inducing condition that is equivalent to

01:24:13.060 being nothing. Identity, which in traditional culture was pressed hard upon us by social

01:24:18.580 forces and in modernity became problematic now dissipates into thin air those of us who are a

01:24:25.300 certain age will borrow attributes from the analog world let's be clear this is a pathological

01:24:31.440 affliction it's the cause of much anxiety depression even suicide if we are in the grip

01:24:37.760 of a vampirical hunger an irresistible addiction to online buzz then saying let's take back our

01:24:43.520 attention begs the question of how i think that question points directly at the future we're not

01:24:49.080 returning to the days of ink stained editors and paperboys thudding a wad of newsprint on our front

01:24:54.880 doors uh what then to paraphrase andrew murr who is the mccluan of our century since we can't kill

01:25:02.140 or fix the digital medium we'll have to find a way to live with it i thought he kind of touched

01:25:06.860 on something interesting there which is that the medium is the message the message in the internet

01:25:15.200 age is identities themselves kind of what he's talking about with the dissolution of identity

01:25:20.320 i'm not even sure that's entirely true i think it's true in the sense that a lot of like that

01:25:25.920 the anonymous culture of the internet was interesting in that sense but i think people

01:25:30.440 reinvented themselves online i don't i think the people who underwent like identity death

01:25:36.400 were the people maybe too old or too i don't know i don't know like maybe it's too old to do it like

01:25:44.380 they felt like they were dying whereas like millennials created a second self i forget the

01:25:51.020 context but we had talked about in a previous episode the idea that even if you think you have

01:25:55.400 no identity or you've lost it you can always be defined in your relationship to people outside of

01:26:00.460 you so even if your identity is just that you're an outsider that's still an identity so a better

01:26:04.920 way of describing it would just be that we had a rapid like uh like a cascading you know unwilling

01:26:13.400 change of identities in on mass but it's not like our identities were destroyed or or something you

01:26:21.300 know like if anything it's just a rapid changing of identities yeah it brings into sharp relief the

01:26:28.160 idea of dissidence which is where that gets thrown a lot around a lot around here um people

01:26:34.740 will use it in different ways but in creating secondary or tertiary identities often and it's

01:26:42.600 not like creating like a character that you play either it's just understanding that you need to

01:26:46.860 heighten certain like you are making your personality into information you as McLuhan

01:26:53.380 said you're extending your senses as every technology or medium extends the senses that

01:26:59.160 could be touch that could be sight that could be speech or sound i do think um what made the

01:27:05.840 internet distinct is that the sense being extended was the sense of self whereas every other medium

01:27:13.020 including film and music would have extended every other sense the in the information superhighway

01:27:19.340 we extended the sense of self which we didn't know was a sense before it kind of gave birth to

01:27:24.860 our understanding of the sense in a meta sense so our our interactions and our engagement with the

01:27:30.440 idea entire idea of identity itself has been extended in such a way that previous generations 1.00

01:27:37.020 might not even been able to understand and we're seeing this become more normalized with zoomers

01:27:41.960 and gen a what i guess we're calling the gen alpha now i don't like it but we'll do it um and that's

01:27:49.720 why like even our under our relationship with our own identities we we now stand outside of it

01:27:55.280 it's completely foreign to us and that goes back to our coverage of jim hogan and decadence like

01:28:01.080 we are a meta people you know we can't we almost can't exist in a genuine way anymore so it's like

01:28:07.700 you know for some people may that feels like dissolution or dissolving but i'm like i i think

01:28:12.260 it's something else i think it's when mcclellan talks about when a sense is extended it almost

01:28:18.440 has to be numbed it has to be like anesthetized in a sense um where it becomes less just be like

01:28:26.480 it's almost like it's what he said was auto amputation so it's like our relationship with

01:28:30.640 our own identity is is more powerful than ever before but it feels numb um and and that's i think

01:28:38.400 very shocking especially to older generations when they they feel like they're losing their

01:28:43.340 mind when they're online because they have to live schizophrenically yeah but you know i i do

01:28:48.740 wonder how that kind of circles back and affects your own mind you know that affects how you

01:28:54.320 perceive yourself um and again like you said there's the only way out is through i guess i

01:29:00.660 hear a lot of people you know they don't really go deep with mcclellan they go i don't think many

01:29:05.280 people probe the depths of the medium is the message and you know the real severe implications

01:29:11.580 that means that just means like oh you have to craft your message differently for different me

01:29:16.460 i'm like no no it means you talk about different things it introduces new new mindsets new paradigms

01:29:25.160 entirely and so the entire idea of dissidence you know it has necessarily changed like the idea of

01:29:32.340 when we talk about the word distance it's like we it's because we're online and we're online

01:29:38.220 And because we're not over there in the real world, that seems like a different world that we don't even want to be a part of, in a sense.

01:29:44.780 And if anything, we want to take what we got going on over here and imprint it onto the real world.

01:29:49.700 But sort of that camaraderie we all feel, even if we don't agree on ideology, at least there's the camaraderie of we're in this.

01:29:58.380 Like you had just said, you define yourself in opposition to the group.

01:30:01.900 We all define ourselves in opposition to the mainstream to some degree.

01:30:06.020 because maybe our ideas are too heterodox or you know nuanced or too old or whatever but it's

01:30:14.080 we're united in this space at the very least and that to me is what dissidence means it means

01:30:19.860 just not the mainstream and as we talked about before right now the mainstream especially the

01:30:25.100 conservatives they're trying to eyeball the next gen z that they're gonna suck into their 0.97

01:30:30.400 fucking machine of death you know they're looking for young commentators young young men in suits 1.00

01:30:37.060 to say oh come come work for the daily wire come or whatever what the crap the last steven 1.00

01:30:44.300 crowder network you know they're looking for the hot young people who've got their finger on the

01:30:49.240 pulse but you know watch out for that now i'm gonna lead right into our next thing which only

01:30:57.940 really barely has to do with that but we're gonna make it work anyway i read this book recently

01:31:05.240 that is a sequel to the last book not a sequel by the same author but a sequel in spirit uh last

01:31:13.820 episode we covered the vax unvax book by rfk jr and this book i'm looking at today is called

01:31:21.460 excitotoxins the taste that kills it's by russell l balock md this is written by a neurosurgeon

01:31:32.080 and you know that some people think who who cares well i do because there's a lot of claims made in

01:31:39.260 this book and i think it matters that this guy knows a bit about what he's talking about

01:31:42.500 just like thomas zazz with the therapeutic state it helps that he is such a renowned psychiatrist

01:31:47.320 he says psychiatry is fucking everything up um so the the subtitle of this book just to

01:31:55.620 give people what we're talking about um subtitle is how monosodium glutamate aspartame and similar 0.84

01:32:03.180 substances can cause harm to the brain and nervous system and their relationship to neurodegenerative

01:32:09.560 diseases such as alzheimer's als and others so when we say the taste that kills this was written

01:32:15.780 in 1997. But The Taste That Kills, it's about how food additives are basically killing the

01:32:22.740 neurons in your mind. Now, what I have found out since I wrote this book, and this book was

01:32:28.860 a very difficult thing to write. I went through a long period before I ever decided to do it

01:32:37.280 because I was warned by people who had dealt in this area before when I told them I wanted to

01:32:43.720 write a book. One of the persons who first tried to start in this crusade, he said, well, that's

01:32:49.900 fine, but let me warn you of something. You're going to come under attack like you've never

01:32:55.280 dreamed of. He said, Ralph Nader, most of you, I assume, know Ralph Nader, the consumer

01:33:01.580 advocate. He became interested in this at one point, just one segment of it. He was so

01:33:08.720 browbeaten and so destroyed by this industry he said he would never touch it again and i'll just

01:33:17.380 i'll read the first part here just that kind of sets it up even better he says what if someone

01:33:23.120 were to tell you that a chemical added to food could cause brain damage in your children and

01:33:28.520 this chemical could affect how your children's nervous systems formed during development so in

01:33:33.440 later years they may have learning or emotional difficulties what if there is scientific evidence

01:33:38.460 that these chemicals could damage a critical part of the brain known to control hormones so that

01:33:43.740 later in life your child might have endocrine problems and finally what if it could be

01:33:48.940 demonstrated that all these types of chemicals called excitotoxins possibly aggravate or even

01:33:54.980 precipitate many of the neurodegenerative brain diseases such as parkinson's huntington's als

01:34:01.240 and alzheimer's disease he says several of these excitotoxins are man-made and used as research

01:34:08.520 tools others are found in nature such as glutamate aspartame and christine christian c-r-y-t-c-r-y-s-t-e-i-n-e

01:34:20.040 all of which are amino acids msg is a modified form of glutamic acid in which sodium is added

01:34:28.280 to the molecule that's all it is so really when i first picked up this book um it was i thought it

01:34:34.700 was about msg monosodium glutamate um and you know you've heard about msg right haven't you

01:34:41.120 yeah yeah of course so my understanding was i think we talked about this before

01:34:47.920 he had i thought that msg was just this great flavor enhancer and the only reason it was taken

01:34:56.060 off the market was because it caused headaches um and it was it was spun out by some weird

01:35:03.080 newspaper editor and it snowballed into this hysteria um and the the story of msg is actually

01:35:08.980 kind of interesting it covers in the book but msg some people might be familiar with it but msg

01:35:14.200 came from japan and it came from this this substance called msg which was extracted from

01:35:22.060 seaweed and it was just a food additive a natural food additive that the japanese would add to their

01:35:27.580 food just to make it taste better then they did they did what scientists always do which said

01:35:32.560 let's extract the one part of the seaweed let's turn it into a super form and so we can add it

01:35:39.860 to all types of food and this is what happened when uh you know american troops came across

01:35:44.420 japanese rations during the war they said wow their food tastes so fucking good what are they

01:35:48.220 doing rice shouldn't taste this good right so then it comes over to the west and then it's 0.88

01:35:53.780 synthesized and turned into this just a chemical they can add to anything to make it good

01:35:58.600 and it was used very very widely and the argument he's making in the book and this is backed up by

01:36:05.380 many studies and he shows several brain scans several anything you could want in a book of

01:36:12.080 science to prove what it's talking about he's showing that what it really does is it destroys

01:36:16.940 neurons in your brain um and and that's the the process by which it does that is very interesting

01:36:25.180 and that's kind of what i wanted to set it up as um and we kind of touched on this the vaccine

01:36:30.220 problem which is that it's not even it's not a poison some people think something bad for you

01:36:36.020 must be a poison and if you take something bad for you it will show up immediately it'll make

01:36:40.300 you sick you'll have some immediate effects um the interesting thing about msg is it is a natural

01:36:46.620 substance you can find it in nature and that's where it was used for centuries just in the form

01:36:52.240 of ground up seaweed but what happens is when you try and synthesize it and do what we always do

01:36:58.220 which is let's take the one thing we like separate that and make it 10 times more powerful because

01:37:03.320 what's what's the problem with too much of a good thing that's what we're here for to take the

01:37:08.200 a good thing and make it great the argument of the book is the process of doing that

01:37:14.000 is what causes the problem because glutamate is found in the blood it's found in your bloodstream

01:37:20.100 it's how your body passes proteins and everything and it's found in the brain as well and the

01:37:26.320 argument he makes is that's what allows you to effectively overdose on it now this was originally

01:37:33.220 discovered by dr uh lucas and newhouse who are ophthalmology researchers and they thought that

01:37:42.680 glutamate would enhance the health of the retina

01:37:45.440 because glutamate was a fuel for the brain and neurons.

01:37:49.780 But what they found is when they fed this glutamate to mice,

01:37:52.920 it destroyed all the retinal cells

01:37:56.080 along the inner layer of the retina.

01:37:58.520 10 years later, Dr. John Olney, a neuroscientist,

01:38:02.120 repeated this and found out that it also

01:38:04.880 destroyed some very important areas of the brain.

01:38:08.080 At that time, we didn't even know there was such a thing

01:38:10.520 a glutamate receptor in the brain glutamate was not known or accepted as a neurotransmitter

01:38:17.720 since that time we've discovered that in fact it is not only a neurotransmitter

01:38:22.600 but is the most common and one of the most important 90 of all transmission in the cortex

01:38:28.760 of the brain is by glutamate 50 of all neurotransmission in the brain is by glutamate

01:38:34.440 your body kind of doesn't know it knows how to process a poison knows how to identify a poison

01:38:40.560 it doesn't really know how to identify too much of a good thing and our predisposition

01:38:45.840 in the scientific world is to always always always overdose on good things there's no such

01:38:51.140 thing as overdosing on a good thing right um but he's saying that could actually kill your brain so

01:38:56.840 he gets into the studies here he says in experimental animals msg babies are found to

01:39:04.520 be short in stature obese and to have difficulty reproducing more detailed studies found that

01:39:11.340 these msg babies have severe disorders involving several hormones notably produced with the

01:39:16.400 hypothalamus unfortunately msg is not the only taste enhancing food additive known to cause

01:39:22.700 damage to the nervous system. In fact, there's a whole class of chemicals that can produce very

01:39:27.660 similar damage. They all share one important property. When neurons are exposed to these

01:39:33.540 substances, they become very excited and fire their impulses very rapidly until they reach a

01:39:39.220 state of extreme exhaustion. Several hours later, these neurons suddenly die as if the cells were

01:39:45.600 excited to death. As a result, neuroscientists have dubbed these class of chemicals excitotoxins.

01:39:51.040 And really, if I don't get to this part, I'll say now that MSG is seen as a scary thing.

01:39:56.220 You don't see MSG anymore.

01:39:57.600 In fact, for a while, a lot, pretty much every Chinese food restaurant had to promote that they didn't use MSG.

01:40:04.280 His argument is that, yeah, you know, we don't use monosodium glutamate, but we essentially use glutamate in so many other food enhancers.

01:40:12.580 So, you know, look at the ingredients and you'll find, he'll name a few of them here.

01:40:16.420 like they they're essentially the same type of food enhancer that uses the exact same process

01:40:22.040 just by a different name and this is most importantly the stuff that you give to your

01:40:27.020 kids this could be cereals this mean not just processed foods it can be used in a lot of

01:40:30.960 different things but you know if you're if you're eating organic it's probably less likely to have

01:40:35.520 it there but you can't be sure what they're using in restaurants and as someone who worked in

01:40:39.640 restaurants man you don't really know you know they could be using high quality food but is it

01:40:43.500 all the sauces is it all the seasonings they don't really check that and a lot of them get

01:40:48.960 them from the exact same suppliers a lot of times there's not as much variety you would think back

01:40:53.780 there in some of the sauces and seasonings and other ingredients you don't immediately think of 0.90

01:40:58.700 you know the fucking lamb is from an organic farm but what's the marinade you know um so he kind of 0.95

01:41:06.720 goes into it here he says often laymen look at the brain as if it were a static structure 1.00

01:41:10.740 An organ formed before birth that never really changes thereafter.

01:41:14.580 But this isn't true.

01:41:15.960 As simple as it might sound, the brain is a living, growing, and expanding organ.

01:41:19.960 Over a lifetime, the nervous system is replaced biochemically hundreds of times.

01:41:25.420 This means that every part of the brain, literally everything that makes up the nervous system, is constantly being replaced.

01:41:30.840 This is why humans must eat to provide nutrients to replace these vital substances, including vitamins, minerals, and trace elements.

01:41:37.880 Now, here's where it gets complicated.

01:41:39.620 so the brain receives the same blood that flows through the body therefore it's exposed to high

01:41:45.380 concentrations of chemicals in the blood both from metabolism and from your diet some of these

01:41:51.000 chemicals are quite toxic to the brain for example glutamate can cause widespread destruction in

01:41:56.180 certain brain cells and concentrations normally found in your diet however the barrier we have a

01:42:02.040 blood-brain barrier though we have this thing called a blood-brain barrier that can kind of

01:42:06.480 sort through the chemicals that are allowed in however the barrier is not perfect in fact some

01:42:12.720 parts of the brain never develop a barrier system at all for example the hypothalamus

01:42:18.960 the cercium ventricular organs the pineal gland and the small nucleus in the brain stem called

01:42:24.640 the locus ceruleus are without barrier protection head injury degenerative diseases infections and

01:42:30.800 a multitude of other injuries injuries can also cause this protective system to fail

01:42:39.520 it says it must it must also be appreciated that the brain at birth is still in the primitive

01:42:44.480 stage of development as a result newborns and toddlers are very high risk when exposed to food

01:42:51.120 additives the damage is slow and cumulative which each with each dose of msg or aspartame

01:42:58.320 or aspartate rather damaging a number of important brain areas and that's something i just wanted to

01:43:03.200 draw attention to as well like the two most important findings he found was that you don't

01:43:10.640 notice the neurons die until long after exposure so you need to keep looking at them because they'll

01:43:17.920 just seem to be excited and exhausted then they actually die similarly all of these effects are

01:43:24.640 are cumulative now a few neurons dying no you can deal with that neurons are constantly dying and

01:43:30.380 being replaced but over the course of a lifetime you know eventually this this takes its toll just

01:43:37.740 like smoking just like anything and you know you and i have speculated before and this will sound

01:43:43.980 very um this is i'm pretty edgy but we would say that like it seems that a lot of people

01:43:51.080 who had Alzheimer's

01:43:52.840 seem to have been bad people

01:43:54.180 in one way or another.

01:43:57.400 And some people say,

01:43:58.200 but the counter to that,

01:43:59.300 but you know, Alzheimer's,

01:44:00.140 everyone can get Alzheimer's.

01:44:01.300 It's random.

01:44:02.620 But, you know,

01:44:03.860 the more I look into it

01:44:04.860 and the more I talk to people,

01:44:06.640 none of this stuff is really random.

01:44:09.180 Sure, you can maybe have

01:44:10.040 a genetic predisposition to it.

01:44:11.880 And they'll always say that

01:44:13.120 if nothing gets you,

01:44:14.080 then cancer is going to get you eventually.

01:44:15.660 But as we'll see in the next book

01:44:17.640 that we cover,

01:44:18.640 you know, you can infect people

01:44:20.660 with cancer you can infect people with viruses that cause cancer similarly if you're the type 0.79

01:44:25.280 of person who eats shitty food and and kind of abuses their body maybe there is a higher

01:44:30.960 likelihood that you'll have alzheimer's maybe if you are like a careless person you know treating 1.00

01:44:36.340 their body like shit and maybe treating other people like shit yeah maybe you actually do get 0.99

01:44:40.580 als and alzheimer's more likely than someone who takes care of themselves and maybe someone takes 1.00

01:44:45.800 care of themselves is someone who takes care of others you know this is all just you know

01:44:49.860 speculation as well.

01:44:51.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:44:52.260 But there is a connection.

01:44:53.240 Basically, what he's saying is it can't just be random.

01:44:56.400 Maybe there is a connection between the foods you eat and these neurodegenerative diseases.

01:45:02.240 So he gives an example here.

01:45:06.200 He says, in the early 1950s, a neuroscientist by the name of Dr. Hiaske found that when

01:45:13.100 MSG was injected into the gray matter of a dog's brain, the dog would fall down in his

01:45:18.120 cage and begin to convulse wildly.

01:45:19.860 Based on this observation, he concluded that glutamate was causing the dog's brain cells to become overexcited and fire uncontrollably.

01:45:26.840 Previous experiments had shown that the brain used glutamate as a source of energy and to manufacture other molecules.

01:45:33.840 It was therefore assumed that it was merely a brain fuel, which is a very scientific way of looking at it.

01:45:40.180 Like, oh, there's glutamate in the brain.

01:45:42.080 If you just overdose on glutamate, you'll become smarter.

01:45:45.240 This is something boomers probably believed.

01:45:47.560 And it's not the boomers' fault because the scientists who were talking to boomers said it's like, yeah, just overdose on all the good stuff. 0.99

01:45:54.960 And they have a whole generation who just fucking did that. 0.99

01:45:58.140 And now they're like losing their minds. 1.00

01:46:00.420 Their brains are melting out of their ears and shit. 0.99

01:46:03.580 And it says neuroscientists have discovered that glutamate is one of the most common neurotransmitters in the brain. 1.00

01:46:08.640 Its role is primarily that of an excitatory substance.

01:46:12.000 That is, it causes the brain to be stimulated in much the same way cocaine does.

01:46:16.600 Using biochemical mapping techniques, we now know that many areas of the brain all contain an extensive network of glutamate-type neurons.

01:46:24.700 What it means is that the excessive glutamate will not only kill the neurons with receptors, but also kill any neurons that happen to be connected to it.

01:46:34.180 So he says, often MSG and related toxins are added to food in disguised forms.

01:46:39.120 This is what I was talking about before.

01:46:40.240 For example, among the food manufacturers' favorite disguises are, quote, hydrolyzed vegetable protein, vegetable protein, natural flavorings, and spices.

01:46:51.380 Each of these may contain from 12% to 40% MSG.

01:46:55.680 Analysis of these taste-enhancing substances reveals some interesting findings.

01:47:00.140 Not only does it contain three very powerful brain cell toxins, glutamate, aspartate, and cystic acid,

01:47:07.040 but it also contains several known carcinogens incredibly the fda does not regulate the amount

01:47:13.100 of carcinogens allowed in hydrolyzed vegetable protein or the amount of hydrolyzed vegetable

01:47:17.980 protein allowed to be in any food products so those are the names to look out for and again

01:47:22.940 this is written in 97 so you can imagine if they've just found different names for things

01:47:27.200 since then you know it's funny that um i was looking for juice to buy uh my son nickels

01:47:34.520 you know he's below the age of one so we're trying to get juice that isn't too loaded up

01:47:40.600 with sugar or preservatives and i thought i found one it was from president's choice and it was like

01:47:46.600 100 no sugar added 100 just juice but then you look at the side and there's only two ingredients

01:47:53.100 right water but it says like orange juice concentrate right now if it was just orange

01:47:58.960 juice it just say oranges but you know if you look at oranges concentrate there's a lot going

01:48:03.160 on in that concentrate that they're not listing um like so there's certain things that are bundled

01:48:08.260 up in these you know kind of weaselly words you know because there are there is juice where it

01:48:13.760 just says hey all this is is oranges and water if this was just oranges and water it would say

01:48:19.200 that but it doesn't so i'm like well what what goes in the concentrate it could be a few things

01:48:24.180 so you don't really know i'm not saying that's what it was but it's just like an annoying thing

01:48:28.600 This is the sort of game they play with food additives.

01:48:32.960 And this is sort of how they operate.

01:48:35.420 It says one spokesperson for the food and glutamate industries stated that even if MSG did indeed destroy the arcuate nucleus in the hypothalamus,

01:48:46.740 it didn't matter because it was not known to have any functional significance in the brain.

01:48:51.580 Yet it was well known at the time that the arcuate nucleus of the hypothalamus played a vital role.

01:48:57.100 the regulation and release of important hormones and the pituitary the committee continued to

01:49:02.260 declare msg safe as a food additive even in baby foods dr olney states that it was at this point

01:49:09.200 he began to look into the backgrounds of the members of the independent fda committee and

01:49:13.200 discovered it was founded by funded by and totally controlled by the food industry and that most of

01:49:18.420 the members of the subcommittee appointed to investigate it had financial ties to the glutamater

01:49:23.520 food industry um so basically they're bought and sold by these types of manufacturers

01:49:30.880 he says the animal closest to man in glutamate and aspartate sensitivity is actually the mouse

01:49:36.800 but even then man is actually five times more sensitive to excitotoxins than the mouse humans

01:49:43.680 accumulate glutamate in their blood streams following ingestion in much higher levels

01:49:48.800 than do other animals together these two factors higher blood concentrations and longer duration of

01:49:54.320 brain exposure make humans much more sensitive to excitotoxin damage than even the animals on

01:50:00.160 which they're testing so we know that mice begin to develop brain damage when they are fed monosodium

01:50:05.200 glucamate in a concentration 500 gs per kilogram um so that that's why they test on mouse because

01:50:13.360 they're the most sensitive but even then like we are the most sensitive to these sorts of food

01:50:18.800 enhancers he says evidence began to appear for neurological diseases such as alzheimer's

01:50:24.720 indicating that even though the symptom these symptoms do not appear until the later years

01:50:29.680 the pathological destruction of the neurons begins much earlier even decades earlier as we shall see

01:50:35.920 later the symptoms of parkinson's disease do not manifest themselves until over 80 to 90 percent of

01:50:41.600 of the neurons involved in the in the involved nuclei called the substantia nigra have died

01:50:49.760 the neurons didn't all suddenly die at the same time rather they slowly and silently deteriorated

01:50:55.840 over many years the same is true for alzheimer's disease this is why prevention is so important

01:51:00.760 and he makes a comment in the book you know we we associate aging with you know forgetfulness we

01:51:07.520 We just assume that the mind and the brain matter naturally decays like the rest of the body.

01:51:14.340 But, you know, if you actually eat healthy, it's not a given that your body will just be a train wreck by the time you're 80 years old.

01:51:22.540 Yeah, you'd think if it was a natural process, it would happen to everybody, but it doesn't.

01:51:26.720 Alzheimer's and dementia is pretty selective, and it varies in intensity from person to person.

01:51:31.960 So we can pretend, you know, continue to pretend that it's random or we can look for a cause.

01:51:36.080 yeah and and so it's like it doesn't stand to reason that you would just ought your brain 0.99

01:51:41.740 would just fucking die and your body would keep living and now you're just this like brain dead 0.99

01:51:46.300 person and we just kind of accepted that as as natural um it's been normalized in our culture 0.99

01:51:52.660 he has an interesting experiment here he talks about that i really highlighted he says

01:51:58.380 as american troops invaded the islands of guam following world war ii the military doctors were

01:52:05.520 astounded to find that large numbers of the Chamorro Indians living on the Marana Islands

01:52:11.100 were dying of a mysterious disease that left the Indians too weak to stand or even swallow their

01:52:16.340 food. Later, when other research doctors returned to the islands, they discovered that the mysterious

01:52:21.020 disorder closely resembled another disease seen in the West called amortrophic lateral sclerosis,

01:52:28.140 or ALS. In 1954, epidemiologists studying the disease discovered that the natives frequently

01:52:34.720 consumed large amounts of a particular plant called cycas circinalis or cycad during the

01:52:42.960 war years actually this plant made from uh the false sago palm had been eaten by the natives

01:52:48.800 for centuries in fact the indians knew the plant was poisonous and for that reason they developed

01:52:54.140 a ritual to render it safe for eating when the scientists analyzed the sea they found it contained

01:52:59.760 various uh glinoside compounds the most important of which was cycacin known a known liver toxin

01:53:07.840 is also found to induce cancer in rats then in 1980 uh dr garuto and his co-workers studied

01:53:14.000 a group of immigrants from the high risk area of guam who had moved to the united states as

01:53:19.200 young men and women they found that even though these immigrants had been separated from the toxin

01:53:24.400 And for over 30 years, they still suffered a high incidence of ALS.

01:53:29.760 Somehow, the toxin had a delayed effect.

01:53:33.520 And that's really the other important part of this.

01:53:36.320 It's the delayed effect that people kind of discount that, you know,

01:53:40.720 something that is bad for you doesn't just impact you right away.

01:53:44.980 He says, one of the prevailing theories of the cause of Alzheimer's disease

01:53:48.220 is a chronic exposure to aluminum.

01:53:50.200 The idea was given a boost when doctors observed a dementia-like illness in certain kidney dialysis patients.

01:53:56.900 When these patients were studied, it was found that they had high levels of aluminum in their tissues.

01:54:01.560 Later it was discovered that the water used to dialyze these patients also contained high incidence of aluminum.

01:54:08.460 Now you have to wonder, oh, is there aluminum found in vaccines?

01:54:12.620 Is there aluminum found in other things you put in your body that you maybe don't want to?

01:54:18.140 everyone will tell you there's no problem with putting aluminum in your body well maybe there

01:54:21.660 is right yeah it says when scientists studied the soil of various regions were high incidences

01:54:30.220 of neurologic diseases they often found high levels of aluminum and low levels of magnesium

01:54:35.260 and calcium in the soil of these places says there's evidence that if we live long enough

01:54:41.740 a much larger percentage of us will indeed develop neurodegenerative diseases this is

01:54:46.540 of us talking about the normalization. In a recent study of the incidence of Alzheimer's

01:54:51.400 disease among the elderly, it was found that between the ages of 65 to 74, the incidence

01:54:56.940 of disease was 3%. Between 75 and 84, it was 18%. After age 85, it was like 47%. The

01:55:05.320 same may be true of ALS and Parkinson's disease. This steep rise in the incidence of these

01:55:10.460 diseases could represent a combination of factors. An increased vulnerability of age

01:55:15.320 neurons the natural attrition of age neurons and the accumulated action of years of excitotoxin

01:55:21.760 exposure on weakened neurons so it could be true that the neurons do weaken over time but that

01:55:28.080 makes them perhaps even more susceptible to these toxins it says with excitotoxin food atoms being

01:55:35.420 virtually in every single manufactured food our brain is constantly being assaulted by excitotoxins

01:55:42.160 During a lifetime, many of us also experience many periods of hypoglycemia.

01:55:46.460 Children frequently develop hypoglycemia during illness because they usually lose their appetites.

01:55:52.160 Much of the medications they take also lower food sugar.

01:55:56.480 Adults, especially in today's fat-conscious society, are constantly on low-calorie diets and even starvation diets.

01:56:02.620 Many of these diets call for foods low in carbohydrates, which may result in prolonged states of relative hypoglycemia.

01:56:09.960 and that's why he's saying putting ourselves in this state of hypoglycemia also makes our brains

01:56:17.100 more susceptible to excitotoxins which is an interesting way of looking at that you know

01:56:22.840 historically maybe we never really went through these phases of starving ourselves on purpose

01:56:28.920 while pumping ourselves full of different types of chemicals you know like cutting out bread and

01:56:35.020 meat but only taking weird new types of protein and injecting yourselves with things so that

01:56:41.460 might actually be killing your brain and the reason he talks about this he says chronic

01:56:46.540 dementias account for almost 50 percent of nursing home admissions and cost six billion dollars

01:56:52.740 annually this is in 97 you can only imagine what it is now demographic studies predict by the year

01:56:58.180 2030 the population of people over age 65 will have doubled this will mean that an annual cost

01:57:03.900 of caring for the demented could reach 30 billion dollars by the year 2030 that's 30 billion in

01:57:09.620 1997 dollars that could be a trillion dollars now based on inflation and he sort of ends it here by

01:57:15.880 saying not only do humans concentrate glutamate to a much greater degree but it remains at an

01:57:20.840 elevated level in the blood for much longer periods of time exposing the unprotected portions

01:57:25.640 of the brain to very toxic levels glutamate accumulation in the brain appears to be a

01:57:30.240 common denominator in several devastating conditions and the list of neurological conditions

01:57:35.940 either caused by or related to excitotoxin damage continues to grow therapeutic treatments directed

01:57:43.080 at methods to reduce the damage have shown significant success in both experimental trials

01:57:48.480 and clinical trials and and these experiments are typically with calcium and magnesium like there

01:57:53.860 there are ways around this um but i i think what do you think of all that because i we haven't

01:58:00.200 really spoken much i wonder what do you think of the the premise yeah i mean i i believe it i've

01:58:04.080 i've read a little bit about some of this stuff i wasn't aware of the msg angle but aspartame and

01:58:09.080 a lot of the others um and i've kind of had a suspicion from something i've had read a while

01:58:15.060 back about microplastics not that there were specific problems but that none of this has been

01:58:22.020 studied anywhere near in to the to the depth that would be necessary to consider it safe

01:58:28.420 uh yeah well kids and once you explain it to what people are it's like oh is this bad for me well

01:58:33.700 what do you mean bad for you like oh it could it'll make me sick it's like no it's something

01:58:38.340 that's found naturally in your body and your body thinks it's good and it makes your neurons too

01:58:43.480 excited and then years later enough of this it's like lung cancer lung cancer there's a visual to

01:58:50.120 it lung cancer you can imagine your your lungs getting black and you cough and everything but

01:58:54.640 i'm like so just imagine that with like i think people now more than ever are into the narrative

01:59:00.600 of sweet chemical sweeteners and and you know corn syrup and things like that but there is no

01:59:07.520 visual that's tied to i'm like well the visual is your brain turning black i think maybe that's 0.98

01:59:13.220 what you need to get people to really give a shit about this because you know i still see aspartame 0.99

01:59:17.560 you know sweeteners like splendor and shit when i'm in the cafe and everyone knows they're bad 0.99

01:59:22.880 for you but no one could tell you why you know it's it's a miracle sweetener and you're like 0.99

01:59:28.800 okay well what's it gonna do kill me it's like well every every yeah yes it will kill you it 1.00

01:59:35.680 will kill it's killing like part of your brain's making you dumber maybe that's what you need to 0.99

01:59:40.220 say to people like it's it's killing your brain power or maybe that's not enough for a lot of 0.98

01:59:44.560 people i don't know but to me it's a when you explain that it's not one step it's not take

01:59:49.320 substance and makes you sick it's actually a process of four or five different things just

01:59:53.780 like the vaccines you have to explain what a blood brain barrier is but you have to say like 0.68

01:59:58.300 no this creeps in and fucks with you but that's how everything bad happens you know i mean with

02:00:03.920 a cigarette it's like inhale kill lung it's not a four-step process that you need to explain to 0.98

02:00:09.220 people but maybe maybe that's what we need you know i don't know because because i think it's

02:00:13.860 the accumulation of stuff like this that is killing people yeah like how does like plastic

02:00:19.580 in your blood make sense to people how does plastic get in your blood well i mean it's bottled 0.96

02:00:25.080 water it's it's yeah jesus christ my mother-in-law i've had to stop taking food from her because she 0.97

02:00:32.800 uses plastic takeout containers that she got fucking like five six years ago to give us food 1.00

02:00:39.680 she's microwaved them to hell you know i mean it's like this stuff is seeping into your food 0.97

02:00:45.040 we've we've been on this kick for a couple of years just the idea of like as much as possible

02:00:49.640 source food as raw materials from places we know and make everything most of what we eat and what

02:00:56.040 we feed our kids is made in our kitchen with steel and glass and it's part of it's about

02:01:02.660 plastics and part of it is about like you know you're reading the labels and you you it's not

02:01:06.600 that i know what's in there or what it'll do it's that i don't know what it'll do so i'm not taking

02:01:11.460 any chances and it's it's this whole thing it's like oh well what is it gonna do make you sick no

02:01:15.720 yeah it's gonna not make it's not gonna make you sick it's gonna make you broken 40 years from now

02:01:21.920 and by the time you realize it you'll just want to kill yourself because it's too late so it's not

02:01:27.120 worth it like why why take the risk why take the risk but really like what are what are you gaining

02:01:33.080 by risking your health you know yeah and it's not the top of the you know headlines as it should be

02:01:41.020 i think like this stuff is killing you and they're lying about it because it's easier to make their 0.99

02:01:46.260 garb their slop more palatable to you because if they didn't put this fucking brain rotting 0.99

02:01:53.780 carcinogen in your food you would say wow this tastes like peasant slop i'm not eating this 1.00

02:01:58.960 how dare you try and even think about trying to sell this to me this is like the butter margarine

02:02:04.320 thing that i get into all the time like there's all kinds of stuff that's in margarine that makes

02:02:07.740 it taste more like butter but at the end of the day butter tastes better than margarine it does 0.67

02:02:14.540 real fucking butter is delicious like especially good butter because even the butter you get at the 0.99

02:02:18.680 store has got shit in it right and butter is also better for you than margarine so again why are you 1.00

02:02:24.160 why do you keep buying the margarine margarine buyers out there the fuck are you doing if it's 0.99

02:02:29.340 price alone okay but then we have to accept that most of this shit it's not actually was never 1.00

02:02:35.100 better for you it never tasted better it's just cheaper it's like the transition from living in 0.99

02:02:41.240 a freehold house to living in a fucking apartment it wasn't actually good for you it's good for 0.98

02:02:46.940 somebody else who's making money on it the margarine thing baffles me because i think one 0.98

02:02:52.480 of my grandmothers the one who passed might have had margarine at some point but i'm like

02:02:56.740 it very clearly doesn't taste like butter i don't think it's much cheaper is it like cheap butter

02:03:02.920 is pretty fucking cheap like no butter and i know it's got stuff in it but i'm like why do you buy

02:03:08.320 this yeah it's funny right because the very cheapest butter is slightly more expensive than 0.95

02:03:13.460 the very cheapest margarine but most margarine that people buy is like name brand margarine that

02:03:19.040 costs more than discount butter like they would rather buy name brand margarine than like 0.99

02:03:25.640 president's choice butter but the president's choice butter is just fucking butter man it's 0.98

02:03:30.620 milk fat it's there's honestly and just uh kind of cap this off this is the life that we live 0.99

02:03:36.560 with our young son nickels everything like you we make it all at home all of our food

02:03:41.740 we shop as organic as we can with the vegetables and like we make everything and it takes a lot 0.91

02:03:49.800 it makes every everything harder like every fucking like thursday my wife is up late prep 0.86

02:03:57.960 doing food prep and it's just like you know vegetables and it's making smoothies and it's 0.90

02:04:03.580 just really and if people want to live that life you can people talk about it all the time like

02:04:09.020 i'm not going to feed my kids this okay but get prepared for your life to be a bit more like hell

02:04:14.980 but it's worth it because that's the only way to do it like you'd said like you look at the

02:04:19.000 ingredients you say jesus christ i've never looked at these ingredients before well i guess we'll

02:04:23.880 make it ourselves we might as well and it's doable it's doable on a budget too just let people know

02:04:30.800 it's just time but yeah the time is a huge thing and i think i think making starting to make those

02:04:36.580 sacrifices in your life and then stepping back and saying now hold on a second you telling me

02:04:40.620 that even to reach a level of basic nutrition and health that our ancestors had without thinking of

02:04:45.920 it sucks up an enormous amount of my time what kind of hellish existence is this and it's like

02:04:51.300 yeah yeah that's what we've been trying to tell you like when you're going out and you are

02:04:56.200 coping and telling yourself that all of these things are for your benefit and that it's great

02:05:01.460 that there's now a cheaper alternative they're not helping you they're saving a dollar by 1.00

02:05:07.280 fucking poisoning you and you're going to die young and retarded and again it this is true of 0.99

02:05:12.960 nutrition but it's true of education it's true of infrastructure it's true of housing it's true of 1.00

02:05:18.640 our culture our media it's true of it's this has been this pattern has been attached to everything

02:05:24.400 in the past hundred years since the since the war essentially so yeah just when you start doing

02:05:30.240 stuff on your own and you realize how fucking expensive sometimes expensive but always difficult

02:05:35.140 and complicated it is to do things correctly it's like oh okay there it is that's why that's why 0.96

02:05:40.280 that's how they got ever all the cattle into the fucking pen it is but yeah is this way let me just

02:05:45.960 end with this one quote from the book i think summarizes it even better he says many years ago 0.97

02:05:51.480 neuropathologists discovered strange looking clumps of dark staining material scattered

02:05:56.580 throat, the frontal and temporal lobes of individuals over 50. It soon became obvious

02:06:01.560 that the presence of this unusual pigment was a normal consequence of aging, hence the name

02:06:06.820 senile plaque. It appears that these plaques represent failed attempts by neurons to sprout

02:06:12.500 new processes. This sprouting process also appears to be a very important repair mechanism in aging.

02:06:19.380 Interestingly, the presence of neuritic plaques seemed to play no part in any loss of brain

02:06:25.960 function many laymen believe that as we age we're doomed to become mentally slow and decrepit

02:06:31.960 while it is known that the elderly do not do as well as the young untimed tests of mental ability

02:06:37.920 they'll perform as well as when given uh more time to complete the tests and training they will show

02:06:45.180 incredible improvements in mental function including cognition and memory so that's just

02:06:49.620 to say like it was historically not a given that you would just lose your mind as you went old you

02:06:55.420 know you come slower everyone becomes slower you can't run but it's still the essence is still

02:07:00.460 there especially if you eat well and treat your body well everyone knows of seniors like how do

02:07:04.760 they do it how are they so spry and and with it and it's like well they they probably ate better

02:07:11.440 you know and and but there i think there's a a case to be made here that so much of this spiked

02:07:18.660 with the boomers and again not to blame the boomers because what do they know they what

02:07:23.420 do they do they listen to scientists they listen to doctors and doctors led them down a path just

02:07:29.300 like they're leading us down a path now like i can't blame boomers for this and whether i blame 0.97

02:07:32.860 our generation for going along with this covet shit right yeah we got a lot of people are just 1.00

02:07:37.520 as fucking dumb as them so let's you know let's not get on the boomer hate train just yet but 1.00

02:07:42.100 like you know look at was it always throughout history that you know everyone had alzheimer's 1.00

02:07:47.320 i don't think so it seems like it was discovered by this one guy not long ago

02:07:51.580 and then it's just and everyone you read the paper you read like there's an epidemic of this

02:07:56.460 just like there's why is cancer arising we don't know we think it has something to do with your

02:08:01.920 diet maybe you should exercise more well for once they're they might be right when they say

02:08:08.160 a better diet it means like finding these food manufacturers and burning people until like

02:08:16.880 you're not being fed poison anyway that's that's all i had to say on the topic with cytotoxin

02:08:23.440 okay i gotta let you know this is a great episode i'll talk yeah yeah good all right see you man

02:08:28.220 so welcome everyone to the medicast this

02:08:46.400 episode i'm very excited to be welcoming dimes on as our special guest to give a little bit of

02:08:51.080 background i was talking to stormy who if you're frequent listeners of the podcast you know came on

02:08:56.220 i believe is our third episode on finance and he hadn't signed up as paid subscriber yet and i was

02:09:01.820 like hey stormy why haven't you signed up and he's like well you have to get someone good on like

02:09:05.600 dimes so i was like all right cool and i searched your account and found that the prudentialist was

02:09:11.440 one of our mutual connections, and he was very kind to make the introduction. And so here we are.

02:09:16.900 I've been listening to a little bit of your content. Can I just, hey, give me for a second?

02:09:19.520 Yeah, go for it.

02:09:20.000 Put a pin in something for a layer. Dimes makes you dollars. Okay, go ahead. 0.93

02:09:25.000 So yeah, I mean, you know, I'm excited. Yeah, if Stormy has a high opinion of you,

02:09:30.340 he has a good nose for talent in our space. So it's always good to meet a fellow enthusiast on

02:09:35.220 building parallel stuff and driving the movement forward in a practical way. That's obviously a

02:09:40.160 large focus of my content. And that's what I hear is a big focus of yours as well. So the sprudentialist

02:09:46.540 made the introduction. And so we don't know too much about each other, but I think that's great.

02:09:50.240 We'll get a chance to explore it as we go. And I always find that there's usually a lot of overlap

02:09:55.200 on things like this. We'll probably be running to a lot of ideas that maybe we express differently,

02:09:59.960 but agree on and finding some interesting nuance there. But welcome to the Metacast. Excited to

02:10:05.280 have you on i'm very very excited to be here and it's very great to talk to you and like you just

02:10:10.640 said i got to know you a bit through your work as well and uh it's very relieving to see someone

02:10:17.760 who's talking about the same things that you are i think a lot of people their experience might be

02:10:22.400 they're just kind of talking into the darkness and they don't know if anyone's agreeing with them and

02:10:26.700 so over the past few months i found more and more people who are on the exact same wavelength as i

02:10:33.160 am, which is bad news because I thought I was super original. It turns out I'm not,

02:10:38.080 but it means that, you know, I got a lot of friends coming out of the darkness. So it's

02:10:41.740 great to hear. Yeah, I did a thread. It was like one of my earlier threads on Twitter

02:10:46.600 and it's called the great assembling. And the basic idea is that, you know, if there's

02:10:52.340 this old recruiting question where if you were trying to meet a friend in New York

02:10:57.400 city and you both lost contact with each other, but you're, you're there on the same

02:11:01.460 day. Where do you go? What do you do? And in this case, the answer is effectively, you go to Grand

02:11:06.240 Central Station at noon. It's the epicenter. It's easy to get to. It's very iconic. And that's

02:11:13.160 kind of what I think Twitter X is. It's a lot of us as nons. We see what's wrong with the world.

02:11:19.060 We want to fix it. We want to find other people like ourselves. And as we come to X, we kind of

02:11:23.500 run off our flag. We create our content. We put out our message. We set our beacon. And we end up

02:11:29.900 kind of all gravitating towards each other and interacting and networking. And to your point,

02:11:34.200 I think a lot of people basically are on a similar wavelength with a lot of these ideas.

02:11:39.880 I like to think that truth is objective and therefore the strategies inside the game of life

02:11:45.720 are also objective and optimized for certain situations. And so it's no surprise to me that

02:11:51.100 I think a lot of us are coming to similar conclusions about what needs to be done,

02:11:54.740 kind of encouraging people to be, you know, focused on self-improvement at an individual

02:12:00.220 level than focus on, in my mind, I'm a big believer in parallel movements. So creating

02:12:05.900 alternative systems as opposed to trying to fix or to, you know, break down the broken ones that

02:12:12.060 are out there. And so, you know, it's been exciting kind of meeting a lot of people who

02:12:15.700 are on that journey together. And I think, you know, we're at that kind of assembling point

02:12:19.680 where everyone's coming together and kind of starting to find out how they can synergize and

02:12:22.720 work together yeah and you had mentioned something interesting there about you know working on

02:12:27.000 yourself on an individual level and i find that gets lost a lot of the time um because that's

02:12:33.140 seen as you know just to give an example someone said oh that's jordan peterson stuff oh you want

02:12:38.200 to clean your room and wash your day um or they'll say you know what don't worry about the little

02:12:42.340 stuff don't worry about you know relationships and working out or whatever it is you need to

02:12:47.000 worry about the big ideas but then you just kind of lose yourself in that and i really do think you

02:12:52.300 need a baseline to work from and i think a lot of people are kind of coming to the same conclusions

02:12:57.740 that we're getting lost in this highfalutin esoteric stuff which is good um you know there's

02:13:04.260 a good friend a friend of mine named culture thug um i had him on the show uh and he was calling

02:13:10.260 back to i don't know how like far right you want to get with this but he's like we can make the

02:13:15.240 decision to put it behind the paywall or or keep it free tier it's uh it's totally wherever you

02:13:19.820 want to take it so well the idea of a cultured thug is a deep fascist idea it was about you know

02:13:25.660 you can have all this theory you can have all this sort of intelligentsia adjacent stuff but

02:13:30.580 at the end of the day you need to be the cultured thug you need the guy who's willing to put it into

02:13:34.960 action thought in action is their big thing and i find um especially in our current era there's a

02:13:41.720 lot of thought and not a lot of action and for good reason um and i don't want to you know

02:13:46.260 sometimes I'm kind of doing a preamble here because I want to say that

02:13:50.240 oftentimes my criticisms or plans might sound like they're too critical of

02:13:55.380 individuals.

02:13:56.240 And I don't want to sound like that because there's a lot of obstacles that

02:13:59.280 people are up against.

02:14:00.520 So just so listeners understand, as we talk,

02:14:03.280 we're not trying to talk down to people or say that you all are lazy.

02:14:07.380 That's nothing like that.

02:14:08.100 Cause I'm as I'm like everyone else, you know,

02:14:10.920 we're still kind of groping around here trying to figure out the next

02:14:13.900 strategy.

02:14:14.300 You had mentioned practicality, and I think that's crucial. Maybe we can set it up with

02:14:20.620 this book I read recently that I end up talking about all the time, and a lot of our listeners

02:14:26.420 like it as well. Maybe they're sick of me talking about it, but it's called Experiences in Groups

02:14:32.440 by Wilfred Bayon. I'll try and give a succinct summary here. It's a psychology book, and a lot

02:14:40.000 people are turning off and shooting their screens already

02:14:42.640 because they don't like psychology. But it's, it's

02:14:44.480 interesting, because this guy, he kind of emerged from the

02:14:47.560 Freudian school, where psychology is traditionally

02:14:50.800 one on one, it was the psychologist and the individual

02:14:53.800 patient. And Bayon was into group psychology, because he

02:14:57.040 said our experience as humans is never just as an individual, we

02:15:00.820 define ourselves in the context of groups, and no one had really

02:15:03.220 done group psychology before him, not in any serious way. So

02:15:06.340 this book was just some stuff that he learned.

02:15:10.000 about group dynamics from, you know, these experiments he had run. And in short, he found

02:15:15.860 that there was two types of groups. He did this funny experiment where he would invite people

02:15:21.680 to attend this meeting to figure something out. And then he would pretend that he didn't know what

02:15:27.400 they were there for and just see what they did. And a group would emerge. A group inevitably

02:15:32.300 emerges and a leader starts to emerge. It becomes this new organism. And he said there's two types

02:15:37.620 of groups that emerge very broadly. One was called a dependent group. One's called a work group. A

02:15:43.800 dependent group would be a group that's kind of defined by these neurotic characteristics. And I

02:15:49.780 won't go into all of them, but you'll be like, you know, trying to arguing over a leader, arguing

02:15:53.860 over like your shared values, a lot of infighting, a lot of disturbances. But he said a work group

02:15:59.700 is a group that still has strangers, still has maybe even a collection, an array of beliefs,

02:16:05.780 but they have a mission they have a goal and he found that all of the neurotic tendencies that

02:16:11.340 plagued the dependent group who didn't have a mission kind of were subsumed as long as they

02:16:15.940 had something that they were doing they had a goal that they could accomplish and if anyone 0.73

02:16:20.060 has been in the military if anyone has worked a fucking job before you probably know what that's 0.82

02:16:25.700 like you know a crew of guys maybe don't get along maybe have different beliefs i will say as a 0.97

02:16:30.680 caveat there could have been a selection bias with these groups that he didn't like smash

02:16:35.580 together like a haitian and a muslim and like a chinese now it's like you don't it's probably like

02:16:42.100 a bunch of like white americans from connecticut but and be that as it may there might be some

02:16:46.700 limitations on that but be that as it may i think that's where a lot of the people that i talk to

02:16:51.920 are at where they're like what is a lot of the problems that are plaguing our groupings right

02:16:57.140 now it's just infighting infighting it's squabbling it's just these groups that form and

02:17:01.540 explode because they don't actually have a goal to accomplish anything and goals are short-term

02:17:06.740 goals are always a mission is short-term a mission has an end point but then you need the next one

02:17:12.120 and the next one the next one this is how every successful revolution has operated this is how

02:17:15.760 any successful business has been operated and so i think there's people in various different sectors

02:17:21.620 of the right you know not everyone because when we say you know the dissident right or the whatever

02:17:26.860 this thing is this thing of ours as thomas seven seven seven would say you know i think very

02:17:32.340 broadly there's a lot of groups that don't get along but as long as there's some you can get a

02:17:38.500 shared momentum with these groups that don't have a lot in common however i bet if most groups on

02:17:46.080 the distant right made a list of all the stuff they believe in i bet we'd agree on six out of

02:17:51.180 10 fundamental things.

02:17:53.360 That's my belief.

02:17:54.920 Yeah, I can tell we're going to get along.

02:17:58.400 So there's a few things there, right?

02:18:00.800 So the first thing you're talking about is goals, right?

02:18:03.280 And this is a huge thing.

02:18:04.500 So I'm actually just finishing an article now.

02:18:08.200 Basically, I don't know if you've checked out my website,

02:18:10.280 but one of the sections of my website is called The Journey.

02:18:12.360 And the idea of The Journey is to lay out in five steps

02:18:15.280 what you as an Anon, when you go through your awakening process,

02:18:19.100 should be doing, should be focusing on.

02:18:21.180 And so the first step is awakening. That's kind of having that realization that the world is not

02:18:25.280 exactly as it seems. And I call that waking from the mainstream delusion. The second is

02:18:30.580 framework building. It's like, okay, I'm abandoning this old way of saying the world. I need to create

02:18:34.620 a new framework, a new way of understanding things. Where do I reestablish my foundation

02:18:39.620 of truth, right? And that's obviously very difficult if you have no way of, you know,

02:18:44.040 kind of no new thing to trust. And that's the article that I'm working on now. The third step

02:18:50.860 is self-improvement. And so we can talk a little bit about that. The step after that is creative

02:18:55.320 works. So that can be making diaries or creating content online or whatever that is, but that's a

02:19:00.620 way of exploring and kind of going beyond. And then you get into world improvement. So how do

02:19:04.580 you make the world a better place around you? But that second step of framework building,

02:19:11.100 what I love about writing is for me, it helps me better articulate and structure the ideas that I

02:19:17.960 have. And one of the realizations that I had in writing that was that the best way to start

02:19:23.660 creating a new framework for understanding the world is establishing a new goal. And so I talk

02:19:29.460 about this all the time is when you are awakened from the system, it's not about system bad,

02:19:34.380 let's go burn down system. It's the system, the values that it put in front of you was putting

02:19:41.040 the group above yourself. It was putting things that were very much not in your own best interests

02:19:47.160 above you. And what you're really awakening from is these kind of bad goals, these bad

02:19:53.580 aspirations. And the opportunity that you now have being awoken is you can redefine those goals.

02:20:00.320 You can define them in a healthy way. And I very much believe in objective truth. I think that

02:20:05.180 the goal of life is to flourish. And we can talk a little bit more about that. But that means the

02:20:09.460 perpetuation of healthy patterns. So that's both yourself, if you consider yourself a healthy,

02:20:13.360 positive person. But it's your family. It's positive structures. It's positive ideas.

02:20:20.000 It's helping the world around you. So that is something to orient yourself towards.

02:20:24.540 And that's why self-improvement is the next step. But it needs to be focused because if you don't

02:20:29.620 have a goal, then it doesn't matter what truth, quote unquote, you're learning. And that's the

02:20:34.860 problem is people get sucked down that conspiratainment rabbit hole. They get focused on

02:20:38.460 aliens and all these other things. And it's like, well, that's not relevant. Your first step is

02:20:42.440 self-improvement, you should set that goal. What does self-improvement mean to you? And then learn

02:20:46.740 about all the things that you need to improve. You don't need to learn other things outside of

02:20:50.820 that. And I think it's similar for that broader, you know, our movement in general. When I think

02:20:56.440 about what should we be doing? Well, you know, there's a lot of people who are wandering aimlessly

02:21:00.700 because we haven't defined that goal very well. And in my mind, that goal is parallel movement.

02:21:06.360 It is creating alternative structures in education and finance, in socialization and marketing

02:21:12.580 and all of these different fields such that, you know, we as the vanguard are establishing

02:21:17.860 this beachhead and then those who awaken, they no longer kind of wandering around in

02:21:22.980 the dark.

02:21:23.420 They have this light, this beacon that they can orient themselves towards and navigate

02:21:27.540 and they can become part of that parallel movement and we can start picking up momentum

02:21:30.940 and driving in a really healthy direction.

02:21:33.860 Yeah.

02:21:33.980 Yeah, I think it's a lot of individuals would probably be surprised at the power they can

02:21:39.940 achieve because it's very easy to get, I don't like using this term too much, but blackpilled 0.87

02:21:45.680 basically become nihilistic.

02:21:48.540 That's what that means.

02:21:49.620 And I was saying this to the prudentialist just the other day.

02:21:51.860 Once you understand the enormity of the complexity of the issues and the scope of the matrix

02:21:59.800 of all the problems facing you, it's hard not to drink.

02:22:02.820 it's hard not to give up or become self-destructive or just you know i'm plagued by thoughts of what

02:22:09.080 i just want to go into the woods and lose my mind yeah i just i just want to be an insane lighthouse

02:22:15.360 guy you know but uh you know you eventually get out of that once you realize that you know

02:22:20.180 you'd be shocked at how much influence and power an individual can get and a lot of uh the people

02:22:27.540 who arrive in this scene they arrive from different areas but a lot of them are used to being loners

02:22:34.360 or they're used to standing outside maybe some are just straight up anti-authoritarian maybe

02:22:39.280 them have some sort of dissonance in them but you know i think they end up feeling alone more than

02:22:45.000 they should or they think that you know there's an issue i think on our side which is we don't

02:22:50.440 even know what it's like to win or we don't even expect our ideas to win um so i uh said this a

02:22:57.900 couple times before and again if people are sick of me saying this then i don't know die but uh

02:23:03.540 the idea is that oh it's funny that you say that because stormy on on our podcast uh the the guy

02:23:10.340 who had uh recommend bringing you on he has this short rant where he was like the the only uh

02:23:15.680 question a philosopher should ask themselves is should i kill myself should i commit suicide

02:23:19.840 right yeah and if the answer is yes then you know whatever do it you know as morbid as that is to 0.52

02:23:25.880 say but obviously the fact that you're still alive that you're still trying means there's

02:23:29.900 some value to life and you know why not trying to optimize so and that speaks very personally

02:23:35.400 to me because you know my entire life i've been a pretty depressive guy i've been a pretty morbid

02:23:40.040 guy i think a lot of people are too maybe now more than ever especially the younger generations but

02:23:45.040 i presented myself with that problem because even when i was younger i had sort of suicidal

02:23:52.520 tendencies but i said am i going to kill myself no okay then what does that mean you know i there's

02:23:57.900 something you either kill yourself or you don't and if you don't then you're confronted with the 0.56

02:24:02.320 reality well where do i go from here because you always have the ability to kill yourself and if

02:24:06.320 you don't that means you're clinging to something and that that means something and you can dive

02:24:11.780 into that or you can numb it and mute that but i think if you stare at that a bit longer you

02:24:16.160 realize well there's something maybe i feel like i'm here to do maybe there's something or if you

02:24:21.580 are going to kill yourself maybe try a couple things before you do and then you'll find out

02:24:25.060 that you don't want to anymore you know but there's a lot of people you know i like i said

02:24:29.780 now more than ever i'm a millennial i'm in my 30s but i try and keep my finger on the pulse of

02:24:36.920 zoomers and generation alpha if i can i don't know how old gen a is but um hearing what they're

02:24:45.400 going through hearing the the state of things for both men and women you know i was laughing the

02:24:50.920 other day like when i was a kid we didn't have this thing called a fem cell we didn't have just 0.73

02:24:57.160 like a plague of weird unfuckable girls with like girl autism like that was like an alien species 0.99

02:25:05.780 but now that seems to be half of women and i'm like well that means something that's a problem 0.95

02:25:11.280 there's like in there's a lot of incel girls i don't know like there's some something's 0.98

02:25:17.040 misaligned in society so i look at that i'm like well you know these people can fall into

02:25:22.500 despair and um i i think there needs to be more roads out of that despair and you know this is a

02:25:29.420 bit of a ramble at this point but i think there's more people doing that in a non-grifty way because

02:25:35.060 there's no shortage of people who will try and sell you supplements or sell you their 0.96

02:25:39.360 fucking academy to get you out of that. But there's very few people who actually seem to 0.97

02:25:45.600 be invested in trying to help people. And I'm seeing more of those people now. And that makes

02:25:50.760 me optimistic. Yeah. I mean, when I first came to the space, that's kind of what I realized.

02:25:56.920 And this might be, we'll transition shortly into talking a little bit about, you know,

02:26:01.180 I always like to ask people, what was their awakening experience like for themselves?

02:26:05.060 For me, you know, we talk about depression, talk about, you know, being black billed and having a hard time.

02:26:10.560 I I hit that really hard. Right.

02:26:14.620 I was just like my my whole reality came crashing down.

02:26:19.380 Right. Once I realized that all of these institutions that I'd put trust in completely lied.

02:26:24.820 The other thing for me is I grew up in a certain part of New England, you know, as a white dude.

02:26:30.940 And the people around me were very liberal.

02:26:33.420 And, um, so going through that awakening experience was, was even more difficult because I really

02:26:38.300 didn't have anyone to talk to about what I was experiencing, right?

02:26:42.480 It was very hard.

02:26:43.600 Everyone would either just outright reject it or they call me crazy or they ignore it.

02:26:47.320 Right.

02:26:47.680 And that's not a healthy place to be when you feel very justified in saying what you

02:26:54.220 feel, what you feel around, you know, calling certain things into question.

02:26:57.560 Uh, and so that the only alternative is like, am I literally insane or is everyone around

02:27:03.120 me just so kind of, um, just engrossed in this delusion that, you know, that should

02:27:10.680 also be terrifying, right.

02:27:12.100 Is to think that you really can't have a conversation about what you're seeing to other

02:27:15.840 people.

02:27:16.720 Um, and, and so a lot of what I tried to do when I first got on Twitter was to say, Hey,

02:27:21.320 look, we don't have a guide to help people going through that.

02:27:24.540 Right.

02:27:24.980 And there's enough people coming onto Twitter.

02:27:26.580 I think that is a big reason why people come to Twitter to come to X is because they are looking

02:27:32.000 to find other people who can say, you know, oh, no, I know what you're going through.

02:27:36.040 You're not crazy. Right. And and to have those conversations, at least initially. Right. And

02:27:41.700 then the next step is, OK, well, then what do we do now? Right. Where do we go from here? Because

02:27:45.660 it's you know, it's not enough. I think it's it's a great first step to kind of be a community and

02:27:50.460 to bring people in and to have these conversations and to shitpost about all the ridiculous stuff.

02:27:55.340 but then the question becomes all right where do we go from here and i think at the very least

02:27:59.260 we want to promote self-improvement and positivity but you know what are those broader goals that we

02:28:04.220 should be aspiring to yeah also just on the twitter topic yeah maybe this ties to our earlier

02:28:09.260 point there's way more of us than they would have us believe uh remember i'm old enough to remember

02:28:15.360 this didn't happen that long ago but they had to shut down comment sections because there's too 0.99

02:28:19.720 many of us just shit 0.99

02:28:21.740 posting. The internet is inundated 1.00

02:28:23.960 with guys like us if they

02:28:25.840 just remove the barriers.

02:28:27.880 Twitter is the same thing.

02:28:30.080 Sorry, I interrupted you. I just want to let

02:28:31.720 people know that

02:28:32.380 don't fall into the trap of thinking that

02:28:35.760 your ideas are actually that fridge.

02:28:37.980 Sometimes mine are. I got some really

02:28:39.700 kooky ideas.

02:28:41.620 I'll definitely give you a run for your money 0.99

02:28:43.700 on that.

02:28:44.880 For a lot of people,

02:28:47.180 there's a reason they try and keep

02:28:49.720 people from us because our ideas are attractive they are more fun they are more interesting

02:28:56.100 sometimes they're a bit more disjointed and kooky but that's interesting liberalism actually isn't

02:29:02.280 interesting and you know some people will kind of get on my back when i say liberalism i'm not

02:29:06.860 talking about enlightenment era liberalism but you know the status quo right now isn't interesting 0.99

02:29:11.520 young people think having like gay class is is fun it's funny funny it's laughable they're laughing 0.99

02:29:19.200 at a lot of the stuff that's presented to them and it's on the far right who are the people who 0.92

02:29:23.500 are working out and getting into fights and doing you know i think even on the i think

02:29:30.040 even bronze age pervert and and curtis yarvin sort of have their hands wrapped around this

02:29:35.320 idea of vitalism i think that's a good word like it do you see vitalism reflected in anywhere else 0.97

02:29:42.100 not really but there's something exciting about the way we do things it isn't just edgy shit

02:29:46.880 posting that's part of it but even a lot of the more extreme people like me are kind of tired of 0.56

02:29:52.220 just like old school edginess of our edginess is far more bizarre now but you know i mean but

02:30:00.080 this is something that even like girls could be interested in and all the people aren't used to

02:30:05.000 that we're thinking this is like a nerdy fringe thing not really not if you give if you hand

02:30:09.820 people the microphone and that's why all of our ideas are kind of being adopted by the mainstream

02:30:14.440 right now and that's why a lot of the leftists are saying like the right has all the money 0.97

02:30:18.520 i'm broke as shit but you know they're on to something they they see maybe money and capital 0.95

02:30:25.480 moving in a way they didn't expect anyway i i interrupted you there no no i i love that i mean 0.98

02:30:31.800 uh so one of one of my good mutuals uh arcology um if you've listened to my podcast i think i've

02:30:38.040 referenced him one of my favorite uh other accounts out there space age maximalist sam had him on

02:30:43.180 they're both engineers. And so they did, they did an episode that was talking about like

02:30:46.860 dirigibles and, uh, you know, exoteric energy and stuff like that. But I met him in person.

02:30:51.800 Uh, that's kind of part of what I do is I go around, I meet people. And when I met him,

02:30:56.720 one of the things he said was we're, we're more often hiding from our friends than from our

02:31:01.060 enemies. And so that's a big part of what I believe, you know, we're at this stage now where

02:31:05.300 we have more momentum than I think we give ourselves credit for. There's more people,

02:31:10.080 as you're saying, like us out there that are just kind of, you know, they're keeping quiet.

02:31:15.180 They don't want to rock the boat too much. But I think that as we start to create more of these

02:31:21.960 beacons, more of these projects and encourage people to get involved and make that easy for

02:31:26.260 them to do so, you're going to see huge groundswellings of support. I remember it was not

02:31:31.280 that long ago, there was that incident in New York where this that young curly haired white guy

02:31:36.600 ended up subduing a certain disheveled vagrant on the subway. And he got into a lot of trouble.

02:31:44.240 I think the man passed away or whatever it was. But the amount of money he was able to raise in

02:31:49.840 a GoFundMe within the course of a couple of days for his legal fund, I think it was like a million

02:31:55.060 dollars or some astronomical amount. And it was like, well, that's a really good sign that there's

02:32:00.840 a lot of people who are keeping an eye on these things. And if something happens, there is support

02:32:05.280 there yeah and again those guys did cool things same thing with the written house and this was

02:32:11.560 the interesting narrative i saw emerge which was you saw a lot of progressives and left trying

02:32:16.760 paint written house as a blubbering sad sack like no he shot two pedophiles that's awesome he didn't

02:32:23.720 do anything wrong and then they tried to well he extra judicially did oh so courts are cool now 0.98

02:32:29.100 you're not cool shut up a guy shot two pedophiles some the guy who choked out the guy on the subway 0.79

02:32:35.740 he looks awesome he looks great in every single photo i've ever seen he's a cool looking guy 0.99

02:32:41.080 and then when when normal people see that they see they're not pissed off that he choked the

02:32:46.220 man to death and a lot of people who are our opponents are confused by that like but you're

02:32:50.340 supposed to not like that he was extra judicially killed no they think it's okay and that's that's 0.99

02:32:55.820 that's a that's bad news for you motherfuckers because it's cool because we're not people are 0.98

02:33:00.780 just tired of accepting certain norms and it turns out that people still you know maybe this is what 0.98

02:33:07.160 makes us behind the paywall but people still think righteous violence is cool sorry sorry 0.95

02:33:12.260 and guess what antifa doesn't read as righteous violence it seems like gay nonsense to people 0.69

02:33:18.480 yeah yeah it's it's it's a joke i mean you know it's interesting i don't so i was a bit of a nerd 0.77

02:33:24.620 growing up i'm happy to admit it and you know obviously i'm also a millennial uh in my um

02:33:31.020 mid to late 30s at this point um and uh one of the you know obviously i was big batman fans you

02:33:39.200 know dc marvel all that kind of stuff like when the marvel movies were great like you know that

02:33:43.760 was that and it's hated when i was a teenager i worked in a comic shop you got you don't have to

02:33:47.820 oh right i remember i remember hearing that on one of the things yeah and you were i get too

02:33:52.520 deep into this stuff well and you and you were saying that some of it's really bad and some of

02:33:57.060 it's really good and in one of my favorite dc animated movies of all time is uh i think it's 0.58

02:34:04.600 it's like under the red hood or just the red hood or whatever it's it's the one where uh dick

02:34:09.060 grayson comes back as the red hood right and and uh you know and what i loved about that was not

02:34:15.200 not only did you have uh who is the guy from supernatural who did the voice of uh of the

02:34:20.320 red hood and that one you know what i'm talking about i don't know that exact reference but all

02:34:25.560 right i'll i'll look it up but um yeah so there's this uh there's you know in did you ever see the

02:34:31.120 supernatural show back in the day no that that's the thing i didn't see supernatural that's why i

02:34:34.960 don't get man all right well red hood i know the rest of the stuff though uh all right we'll do

02:34:41.820 like very very quick um so let me just say in terms of comics while you're looking um a lot of

02:34:47.500 people are dismissed comics.

02:34:49.920 You know,

02:34:50.080 when I was coming up,

02:34:51.020 I was really into stuff like the max,

02:34:53.500 the max is a trippy comic.

02:34:54.900 There's this one that I can recommend.

02:34:56.520 People hate comics.

02:34:57.820 Have a look at this one that was published by image comics.

02:35:01.460 It's called nameless.

02:35:03.280 It's a short run.

02:35:04.600 It's,

02:35:05.020 it's not an ongoing series beginning,

02:35:07.360 middle and end,

02:35:07.980 but it's this,

02:35:09.100 when I say love craft Ian,

02:35:11.480 when I say it's like,

02:35:12.600 it's a space S like an eldritch space horror sort of thing.

02:35:16.840 Um,

02:35:17.500 it's not like in a reddit way i'm not talking about a reddit thing just look it up

02:35:21.820 read the first issue and tell me that's not one of the coolest things you've ever seen anyone who's

02:35:27.660 who wants to hate on comics there's a lot of bad comics but you know i'm a big uh fan and friend

02:35:34.220 of dave martell and uh a lot of those guys in the emergent pulp scene on our side of things and they

02:35:40.740 would probably make the same claim like there's old old conan stuff old you know get into mars

02:35:46.560 attacks that's always fun yeah i i'll add that to the list you know my favorite was scud the

02:35:54.100 disposable assassin that's my all-time favorite that's what got me into comics when i was again

02:35:58.480 anyway i cut you off there no that's great yeah i always love going down that rabbit hole because

02:36:03.040 there's always great content in you know different mediums uh but like the medium itself will get a

02:36:09.020 bad rap as like kind of the quality declines across the board but yeah well it's like gaming

02:36:13.520 you know gaming there is the triple a titles and the triple a titles of comics would obviously

02:36:18.360 marvel and dc but if you're into computer gaming like i am um i got steam my whole interest is that

02:36:25.520 whole underground indie game really weird experimental stuff and so in comics like

02:36:31.220 there's underground comics not just robert crumb stuff but there's there's really interesting stuff

02:36:36.880 being done outside of you know the stuff outside of archie which is always going to make money

02:36:43.280 and marvel and dc which doesn't even make money anymore it's some kind of money laundering scheme

02:36:49.740 as far as i'm concerned but there's good independent stuff out there i promise you

02:36:53.380 yeah i think they just want to try to hold on to that as long as that they can and so they're

02:36:58.220 willing to kind of burn the furniture to keep the house warm but yeah it's it's they're going to be

02:37:02.820 an interesting canary in the coal mine because they've been operating at a loss for i think

02:37:08.440 close to 10 years now they're just not selling and they've been um kind of goosing the numbers

02:37:13.440 the way they count comic book sales they count sales to the comic book stores or not people who

02:37:18.420 buy the comics so there's this inflation going on but everyone knows that no one's buying these

02:37:23.420 comics and as a result they're not seeing the movies so i think if any of this you know woke

02:37:28.420 stuff is going to collapse i'd be interested to see if the comics fall first because they've been

02:37:33.780 running on fumes for way too long and and they're they're scraping the bottom of the barrel on

02:37:38.860 talent i'm sure there's this is not what people want to hear on this i apologize no no i mean

02:37:44.220 that's that's kind of what i like about having these conversations is like you kind of have to

02:37:49.220 talk about culture and like i'm sure we'll get into spirituality and then the practicality of

02:37:54.160 the movement and then technology and you know i i'm i'm on ai spaces all the time like it's it's

02:37:59.640 so impossible to not kind of bleed the conversation into these other domains but but to kind of bring

02:38:05.200 it back to uh so it's called the movie's called batman under the red hood right and it's uh jason

02:38:10.940 eckles is the is the guy i'm thinking about here um and yeah he's from that sounds familiar that

02:38:16.740 name yeah yeah so he's he's pretty iconic i'm sure you've seen some memes of him but anyway so he's

02:38:22.180 voice actor for uh the red hood but the whole um the storyline in in the movie is that um

02:38:29.100 racial ghoul who's this kind of like mastermind secret assassin leader uh orchestrates this

02:38:34.840 situation where the the joker is supposed to distract batman and robin but the joker ends up 0.95

02:38:39.720 killing robin ends up killing dick grayson uh and so racial ghouls feels bad about this he uses the

02:38:44.340 lazarus pit the the reincarnation machine uh well it's mostly to revivify so he uses it like every 0.87

02:38:50.280 couple hundred years to make himself young again and so they've never used it to you know revive

02:38:55.160 someone and so they use it on um dick grayson to revive him but he goes crazy and he escapes and

02:39:00.020 so they don't know where he's gone and then you know later the the red hood shows up in gotham

02:39:04.180 and basically he's this character who uh takes over certain parts of the mafia and uh you know

02:39:10.280 he um starts he tells him you know don't don't peddle the kids but you know i'm gonna own the

02:39:15.540 mafia and he's like killing people right and he's he's controlling never gets to just have a mafia

02:39:20.840 does it yeah it's always always turmoil but but he's taking it over or taking it on they can't 0.74

02:39:27.100 just have a bunch of italians in charge yeah no rest um but so so he he takes this over and then

02:39:35.100 he uses that as a way to the joker's in jail and he gets him out of jail and the the movie climax

02:39:40.960 is at the, at this point where, uh, Batman is, is confronted by, uh, by the Red Hood and finds

02:39:48.140 out that he's Dick Grayson while, and, and the whole thing is like, why did you let the Joker

02:39:52.620 live when he killed me? And he's killed all of these people. Like, you know, you have this

02:39:56.720 ancient morality around like not killing people. And, you know, Batman's like, well, I can't,

02:40:01.440 you know, I'm, you know, I can't separate, you know, I can't cross that line because once I do

02:40:05.660 then you know i can't do what i'm doing right and in my mind so it's a question of like whether

02:40:10.940 it's okay to kill right what when is it justified and batman's obviously stance is i don't kill

02:40:16.220 people um and the red hood is like no you should you should be able to kill the joker right like 0.54

02:40:20.420 that seems like an obvious situation right and and to me what i love you know that's the cool

02:40:26.200 thing about comics right is they should be exploring these philosophical questions and

02:40:29.680 getting us to think about things and in my mind it's like i'm obviously team red hood like there's 0.84

02:40:34.340 no question about that right like why don't you kill the joker right um knowing all the all the 0.93

02:40:39.140 trouble that he can cause and stuff like that and so i think that that is um you know to me that 0.96

02:40:45.080 that's kind of like one of the one of the best stories one of the best questions um and like i

02:40:50.840 want to see more of our guys kind of take over uh these different story things i don't know if you've

02:40:55.740 ever heard of the drinker he's a fairly big youtube critic oh yeah a critical drinker was

02:41:01.280 the critical drinker yes yeah and so he's starting to create stuff and i you know i've talked to a

02:41:05.740 lot of other people in the space and and i think that's like a big next step is we can talk about

02:41:10.200 that philosophy but but to your point on like visual anti-justice and and all of those kinds

02:41:14.700 of things like you know i watched that and i was just like yeah red hood's way more badass than

02:41:19.560 batman like yeah you know well there's a couple things to say there because you know that's been

02:41:23.780 batman's line except in batman returns the second movie he kills like five people in that movie

02:41:30.340 with a smile on his face um that was the the second michael keaton one i'd say one of the

02:41:35.960 better ones um but uh batman always had this line that i thought was amusing um he was doing the

02:41:43.780 thing that he does like you just said he's always ends up explaining to people why he doesn't kill

02:41:47.700 people and one of them was if i kill a killer the amount of killers in the world stays the same

02:41:54.060 and then you think about that and i say what if you killed two killers yep you're still negative

02:42:00.580 one killers globally and then what hey what about three what about four like you you solve that 0.94

02:42:06.920 problem very fast that is it's it's such a dumb piece of dialogue if you think about for two

02:42:13.340 seconds but then also it really reveals what you were saying which is like you know there's this

02:42:18.820 book uh we covered on the show by ivan ilian um i believe it was a cath no it was a i think

02:42:25.880 eastern orthodox uh christianity book it was on resistance to evil by force it was trying to

02:42:30.960 address the question um he was um he basically wrote it as an uh answer to tolstoy who i believe

02:42:41.420 it was tolstoy yeah it was tolstoy who was also a christian but was sort of a radical pacifist

02:42:46.420 to the point where if you if you resist trying to someone is attacking you if you resist them

02:42:51.800 that is evil in itself any form of evil any form of violence is evil even in self-defense

02:42:58.380 and he was he wrote this book i would recommend people read it but the central argument is that

02:43:03.380 you know you have a duty to utilize force to resist evil to confront evil wherever you see it

02:43:10.200 and not just not kill it but like interrogate it and try and treat it as as the virus that it is

02:43:16.280 But you were saying that, you know, if you just let evil persist and hope that it'll, I don't know, run itself out or that God will stop it.

02:43:25.200 No, it'll spread until it eventually kills the host.

02:43:29.440 Like the end of this is that, you know, it gets everything it wants and it kills the system or the civilization, whatever it is.

02:43:35.300 But you can't, you need to confront evil. 0.92

02:43:38.420 And so it was sort of a treatise towards Christians.

02:43:40.860 Like, don't be afraid of picking up the sword, which has happened throughout history. 0.83

02:43:45.520 but you know it all comes back to batman like are you allowed to shoot joker in the head if doing 0.71

02:43:52.100 that saves the lives of 50 000 people how many people has joker killed wantonly men women children 0.86

02:43:57.980 all of them like yeah it is in sadistic ways too you know yeah it's like he he's a virus that's

02:44:04.300 aware he's a virus he's like a criticism of your anti-viral behavior you know so um that's why i

02:44:11.940 you know what's interesting is the joker a lot of people see the joker as a bit of a meme

02:44:16.000 but i think it's fascinating how the joker whether you like him or not whether you think he's a tired

02:44:21.900 character or not has somehow emerged as like the our the archetype of our era like there's been

02:44:28.800 way too many joker movies in joker movies yeah there's been such an acceptance of the joker

02:44:34.520 as a character that people want to emulate in a non-ironic way which is strange to be like

02:44:41.800 a psychopathic clown but that says something about maybe our generation but it seems to cut

02:44:48.480 across generations i don't know i just think that's it's there's no meta narrative about 0.50

02:44:53.800 why the joker from batman has reached like the apex of our culture the way oh i i have an answer

02:45:00.480 for this um right you know i think i think that movies are largely predictive programming uh

02:45:05.880 nowadays i think you can kind of see that a lot when you see the civil war movie that's coming

02:45:10.800 out soon. But in my mind, one of the things that's severely lacking from the mainstream

02:45:17.120 is a healthy male role model. And I think you even have talked about this in one of the podcasts

02:45:23.440 that I was listening to. Basically, all of the men in the space are effeminate. We grew up in 0.83

02:45:31.460 the longhouse. A lot of our male role models are effeminate and weak. You look on any of the TV 0.98

02:45:37.080 shows and the husbands are kind of bumbling fools that the woman has to like put up with and 1.00

02:45:41.620 tolerate. Um, and, and so like for them, what they're very happy to not have that positive 0.99

02:45:48.220 male role model and, and, and uphold the only alternative archetype, right. Is, is this kind

02:45:53.520 of like destructive nihilistic force, right. They're literally just saying the only alternative

02:46:00.520 to society is the black pill. They're, they're not really holding up a positive male role model.

02:46:06.400 And that to me is the next kind of wave of media that needs to be created. I'm actually batting around an idea for a story right now that would talk about, you know, if you were like a base to tech founder, because I've worked in tech for a while now and, you know, especially navigating recent tech with COVID and vaccine requirements and all of like the woke marketing and all of those kinds of things.

02:46:31.740 How do you push against that in a healthy way? How do you kind of coexist with one foot? The way I talk about this is one foot in the parallel movement, trying to create good and healthy alternative structures and pursue and orient yourself towards those objectively healthy values, but also have one foot in the mainstream delusion and realize, hey, I don't have full agency.

02:46:54.720 If I decide to do certain things gloves off, it's a trade-off. It's not an optimization. It's not always the right decision. And so how do you walk that balance? I think having someone to establish that ideal, establish that role model of someone trying to navigate that middle line of what I call being a master of both worlds, right?

02:47:14.020 that campbell's hero's journey idea of you know how do you live in both worlds simultaneously

02:47:18.540 um i think that is desperately needed and that is part of why you know you have these kind of

02:47:24.680 weird versions of this you have the jordan petersons you have the andrew tates right

02:47:28.340 but i think that the the more practical uh incarnation is something a lot less uh cartoonish

02:47:36.460 and a lot more real and um you said something there that i i was going to mention this earlier

02:47:42.700 and I totally got steamrolled by

02:47:44.700 myself, but you

02:47:46.640 had mentioned growing up

02:47:48.160 in a very, very liberal area, and

02:47:50.620 I can relate to that because I'm in Canada.

02:47:54.120 So that's

02:47:54.700 our conservatives

02:47:56.920 are basically your Democrats

02:47:58.620 down there.

02:48:01.000 So anyway, but the point being that

02:48:02.480 what I found interesting

02:48:04.660 when considering, I'm just going to call

02:48:06.740 them liberals. We jokingly call them

02:48:08.420 libs around here. What's interesting

02:48:10.840 if you actually look at libs

02:48:12.700 And it's it is sort of a dialectic in itself. Like when you live within that world, those people are living in two worlds themselves. There's the one they profess of the liberal worldview. But liberals have this really interesting revealed preference that a lot of conservatives and people on the right have been calling out for like decades now, which is like, oh, you you talk about diversity, but you don't want to live around black people.

02:48:37.720 you don't want your kids going to these schools like you you don't you know live by your own rules 0.89

02:48:43.380 and that is true and and so they are living in this it's hard to live like that because you're

02:48:47.700 not living in the truth you're living in saying one thing and doing another so to live to operate

02:48:52.380 within that paradigm where you're trying to create a parallel world living in that world really does

02:48:56.860 drive you insane because you're always lying and you always know you're lying and that's what's

02:49:01.340 interesting about um the dei stuff you know like the the diversity equity and inclusion stuff like

02:49:08.220 everyone kind of knows that you know there's some true believers there but a lot of the times it's

02:49:12.600 there to just wallpaper over losses it's like an excuse it's this thing how many people actually

02:49:17.200 believe in this stuff versus they're just saying they do however saying it doesn't help anyone

02:49:22.140 because there are true believers out there but it's living in a maddening world that i can't

02:49:26.860 recommend to people, but you have to do it. So by living in two worlds, you're almost living in

02:49:31.840 three worlds at the same time. And that extra level of complexity is, is kind of maddening

02:49:38.260 to people. Sorry, I think I interrupted you. No, this is great. This is, you know, it's,

02:49:43.340 it's funny. So I do a weekly space on Sundays on X and we go for usually an hour, maybe two

02:49:50.900 sometimes. And we do different topics all the time. And, and, you know, I like the space

02:49:54.880 environment because you can pull people up, you can have conversations, you can share thoughts.

02:49:58.960 It's a little bit more dynamic. But one of the ones that we recently talked about was how do

02:50:04.640 you balance that, right? And one of the things that I talk often about is this idea that we live

02:50:11.040 in both a material and a spiritual world simultaneously. They're like superimposed

02:50:15.840 on top of each other. And a lot of the psyop around the material world is to say things like,

02:50:23.480 well if you're a good person you're not going to seek power because only you know evil people seek

02:50:28.200 power or power corrupts absolutely and uh you know money is the root of all evil and all of

02:50:33.060 this kind of stuff and it's like all right sure but if you say that all the time right what you're

02:50:39.420 basically doing is you're telling all of these good people who don't want to be seen as evil people

02:50:44.020 to not do those things to not become powerful to not seek material wealth and the only people that

02:50:50.640 you're going to get seeking those things are now all the evil people, right? And that's what kind

02:50:54.600 of leads us to the situation that we're in now. And so I encourage people all the time, no,

02:50:58.920 seek material wealth, seek power, but don't seek it as the ends in and of itself. Seek it as a

02:51:05.820 means to higher spiritual aspiration, right? That you can have more reach if you are successful.

02:51:13.040 You can have more agency when you are more successful. And so the thinking about like

02:51:17.660 tech right if you're a salesperson and you're making a shit ton of money for your company

02:51:22.700 you know if you're you know strong and you you know you they're like i had a tech company i was

02:51:28.980 a part of and during the roe v wade stuff they were like everyone has to wear green to support

02:51:33.000 you know all of our women's rights and stuff like that in the office and i was just like 0.99

02:51:37.220 fuck like i either have to go in wearing green or everyone's going to be like that bastard you know 1.00

02:51:42.800 and so but like if you're making a lot of money for the company you just be like fuck you know 1.00

02:51:46.880 I'm not doing it. And they're like, okay, well, I guess we can't fire you. Right. We'd be like mad 0.99

02:51:51.060 at you, but it's just, you know, but the, the ideal thing, and this has kind of been the path

02:51:55.620 that I've been on is like, okay, we'll become increasingly more competent person. And then you

02:51:59.780 can go out and start your own business, or you can, you know, you know, find other ways to make

02:52:05.040 money that don't allow, don't require you to rely on other people. And so that is a big part of that

02:52:11.100 self-improvement path is the less reliance that you have on other people, the more you can self

02:52:15.600 actualized towards your towards your goals and also if you are in a position of authority like

02:52:22.280 that your confidence will spread memetically through people because there could be a great

02:52:27.100 number of people who also don't want to wear green but they just they don't they're not in

02:52:31.200 the position where they can say anything but you could be a center of gravity if you put yourself

02:52:35.640 in that position and you'd be surprised how often you can be a center of gravity by by saying

02:52:41.640 something that no one has said before i'm not encouraging people to like risk everything with

02:52:46.920 this but oftentimes the people who find themselves in these spaces tend to be the most likely to be

02:52:55.380 the ones to be the first to do something like that but you know every time i've done that every 0.97

02:53:00.760 time like i've tried to push back and say this is fucking dumb most people will be like yeah it is 0.97

02:53:06.980 or they they'll talk like they agree with it but the moment you say do you they're like no 0.99

02:53:11.900 because they never thought about they're just parroting something there's this really prolific

02:53:17.540 uh meme of uh it was like something on our 4chan board uh that i think really encapsulates this

02:53:23.800 idea and it was basically like high testosterone men and like sigma males um are the only two people

02:53:31.280 who can have real opinions because the way that they approach forming an opinion is they look at

02:53:37.920 something they say is this true or not the problem with everyone else you have the you know the

02:53:43.080 midwits um is they are very socially conscious and so the way that they assess truth is not is

02:53:50.140 it true or not is if i held this view how would the people around me think right and so i i think

02:53:57.340 Like, to me, that's kind of the thing is like, everyone thinks that the other people around them have that view. And that was very, you know, I was going into, uh, you know, the city for work during the pandemic and I would ride the train all the time and I would not wear a mask. I would like refuse to do it. And it was one of those things where I sat down and like people around me on the train and be like, oh, that guy's not wearing a mask and then take theirs off, you know?

02:54:21.320 and it was like such a such an interesting time it's such an interesting time because like normally

02:54:26.540 you're just on a train everyone's you know got their you know no one's like wearing masks or

02:54:30.160 anything like that so but it was like such like a like a like a physical manifestation of of like

02:54:35.640 ideology and like contagions and stuff like that it was really interesting to kind of observe that

02:54:40.560 part of living in an atomized society is people are they don't even remember what it's like to

02:54:46.000 live in any sort of community like that or like-minded people so when they see it there's

02:54:50.640 an immediate connection there that's interesting and you know just it occurs to me that you know

02:54:56.280 oftentimes i try and look at the people who have certain beliefs because there's certain personality

02:55:00.400 types that are attracted to certain beliefs like us on the right there's a lot of people who are

02:55:05.040 very you know uh disciplined they're very duty oriented but there's also a lot of just insane

02:55:10.500 psychos over here let's just be honest um and and we're pretty good at sorting through that but

02:55:15.800 not perfect but um one thing that you notice is that i fucking forget where i was going to go with

02:55:22.200 this i think i forget oh no um we were talking about the masks and the train and yep yeah i was 0.64

02:55:27.240 going to say um the the idea is that if if you hold these really challenging ideas i think one

02:55:34.060 thing that comes from that is you're very confident there's a lot of confident people on this side 0.96

02:55:37.880 there's a lot of people for better or worse who think they're the shit as a result they're not 0.99

02:55:43.100 really concerned if they look stupid to someone else so i'm not for me you know like with covet 1.00

02:55:49.680 or anything i'm like i think this is dumb tell me why i'm wrong hey i'm an idiot okay i mean i get 0.99

02:55:54.380 it get all the women in the office into a semi-circle around me and tell me one bad guy 0.97

02:55:58.620 but here's the thing i bet you can't i bet you no one's ever asked you to explain what you believe

02:56:04.320 and this is my experience with most people they actually don't hold these as beliefs um i mention 0.66

02:56:11.460 this all the time um so another fucking thing i mentioned all the time but my uh that's okay 0.89

02:56:17.760 that's that's where we're like old men when you've talked about enough ideas so many times you're 0.98

02:56:22.480 like i say this all the time this is a drum that i beat but it's also the worst when you're like

02:56:26.800 just starting to meet people yeah because you the first time you meet someone you're like okay cool

02:56:30.380 like let's share all of the our ideas we've never talked to each other about but that the worst is

02:56:34.660 when you've like known someone for a little while and you're like have i told you this before i say

02:56:38.520 this all the time to everyone but i don't know if we've covered that ground yet

02:56:41.460 It reminds me of this character called the Red Hood.

02:56:44.120 You ever heard about that?

02:56:48.760 But yeah, yeah.

02:56:50.280 The idea is if you, I'll just wrap this up quickly.

02:56:53.820 Like if you are more adept at, at someone explained to me,

02:56:58.020 they've never had to explain these ideas before.

02:56:59.820 These aren't actually beliefs that they hold.

02:57:02.100 Most people don't even feel that confident about them.

02:57:05.360 And so the definition of propaganda, that's what I was getting to.

02:57:08.140 My preferred definition of propaganda was by Jacques Ellul.

02:57:11.840 And there's a few books written about propaganda.

02:57:13.920 Edward Bernays wrote one.

02:57:15.040 I like the Jacques Ellul one because a lot of people talk about propaganda just as if it's an extra loud advertisement.

02:57:22.960 But I like to look the way Jacques Ellul described it was it's a belief that sort of sits above your actual beliefs.

02:57:30.760 It's something that elicits a Pavlovian response that, you know, for example, I was the example I always give is like,

02:57:37.880 if you're in church, you know, I'm a Catholic. I don't know if you are, but I'm, I'm, I'm God

02:57:43.440 pilled. Okay. So an interesting thing happens in some churches, if you're sitting at mass and

02:57:49.920 something about homosexuality comes up and you're a Catholic, you're not really supposed to like

02:57:53.640 that, but there's this sort of Paul that goes throughout the audience that you're not supposed

02:57:57.660 to say that. Now you, you can believe homosexuality is against God. You can have all these beliefs, 0.73

02:58:03.080 But a propagandized individual has this operating system that sits above that, that triggers that sentence that you're not supposed to talk about that. We're not supposed to talk about that. So it's not even something you believe. You just know this is what I have to do.

02:58:19.800 and in fact i will attack anyone that all that that uh agrees against that um just and that's

02:58:27.340 my programming right now and has nothing to do with faith has nothing to do with logic has nothing

02:58:31.260 to do with anything you read anywhere it's just you have this sort of cognitohazard that you

02:58:36.900 witnessed and it's just with you now that's what a propagandized individual is that's why you can't

02:58:41.260 really argue it away that's why you can't confront it and interrogate it like that or attack it

02:58:46.920 logically they just feel it but sometimes you know if you get them in a room and say explain

02:58:51.760 to me why i need to do this they actually can't yeah so it's this very interesting interplay there

02:58:57.540 are you are you familiar with aggregores

02:58:59.700 yes i am i okay he's e-r-e-g-o-r-e or is this a different thing yes yes so um one of the episodes

02:59:10.360 that i've planned uh is going to be with uh stormy waters uh my good friend and he uh we're going to

02:59:16.360 talk about the science of spirituality, right? And one of the ways that I think about these things

02:59:22.720 is that these people are literally possessed by these ideas, by these aggregors. And, you know,

02:59:32.360 so they've kind of given up agency, right? To your point, they can't explain why, right? It's

02:59:39.020 the Jungian idea that people don't have ideas, ideas have people. And so these people are just

02:59:45.300 literally extensions of these of their ideologies right you can think of these as gods you can think

02:59:50.500 of these as spirits you can think of these as aggregores right demons or whatever you want to

02:59:54.740 think of it as but that in my mind is basically what we're dealing with is um you've seen studies

03:00:00.660 where it's like 70 of the population isn't really sentient they can't like they don't have internal

03:00:04.580 monologue they can't visualize things that kind of stuff yeah they're they're they're facilitators

03:00:09.540 for these aggregoric ideas. And so when I think of things like that, you're basically programming.

03:00:18.560 I mean, that's why the NPC meme is so prolific is swap in new programming. And to your point,

03:00:24.600 they don't understand why. They can't justify it. And that's why when I do talk to people about

03:00:30.020 what are good strategies for interacting with people in the mainstream delusion, you never

03:00:34.620 take a position. You never say that thing that's going to trigger that Pavlovian response that

03:00:40.240 you're talking about. You just ask them questions and get them to reflect. The other thing that I

03:00:45.260 often recommend too is become the best version of your ideology. That's a far better way of

03:00:50.160 converting people than going out and trying to scream them down into accepting that they're

03:00:55.500 delusional or whatever it is. Because the people, we're at the stage, especially now, where we don't

03:01:01.060 need to go out we need to aggressively wake people up what we need to do is we need to set these

03:01:05.220 beacons of what can be achieved right to your point that vitalism right um i've been lifting

03:01:11.460 aggressively for like the last two and a half years and you know and uh like eat drinking tons

03:01:17.060 of raw milk i'm a big fan of like raw egg nationalists and a lot of that stuff right and

03:01:21.340 and you know that's when i when i talk about self-improvement that's what i talk about you

03:01:25.800 be vitalist right live towards flourishing um and kind of do those things but yeah well you mentioned

03:01:32.720 there i just want to say before i forget um and that ties into just what you're saying um i ask

03:01:37.480 a question to people and i say what if everyone who can be red pilled has been red pilled what

03:01:43.160 if the red pilling is done and anyone like the person you say we call them the shape rotators

03:01:47.540 there's people who have an internal monologue and for people the folks at home um if you can close

03:01:53.040 your eyes if you could imagine a shape like an apple uh in your mind's eye and rotate that

03:01:59.760 if you can you're part of uh i don't know what the percentage of the population is but it's

03:02:04.600 less than you would think yeah so realize that uh an example of of what we were just talking about

03:02:10.620 was during covid an interesting type of guy made himself known it was the guy who was wearing the

03:02:17.020 mask but not over his nose and i'm looking at that i'm like what is this what are you like you know

03:02:23.360 that you need to do this but you don't believe in it but you're doing it anyway it's it's a

03:02:28.060 bureaucratic sort of thing but you're mad at people if they don't do that the way you're doing

03:02:33.480 it because what the way you're doing it also doesn't work but it's like you're a type of guy

03:02:37.380 i don't even know if that guy can be red pilled i don't know if that guy can see any sort of video

03:02:41.980 that's going to crack him from the system and you got our job is to figure out are we talking to one

03:02:46.900 of those guys because those guys will come along later once they see that there's a new center of 0.99

03:02:51.940 gravity and a new norm being established they'll come along they just go whatever way the fucking 0.83

03:02:57.080 wind's blowing you don't need to fight a war for every single mind yeah have you read crossing the 0.91

03:03:01.800 chasm no it has them the chasm i i always pronounce that and i get yelled at by people

03:03:07.400 guess what it's a marketing book i'm chasm i'm going chasm all the way chasm yeah all right

03:03:12.680 Yeah. But yeah, it's a marketing book and it talks exactly about this idea that you have different levels of adoption when it comes to new technology. You have your people who are already kind of in that space. They're like eager to kind of jump in on new technology. You have the people who are, they're willing to be the early adopters, but they're a little bit more hesitant. And then you have like the conservatives who are like, I'm not going to jump in unless other people around me are jumping in. And then you have your late adopters. Those are the people that are trailing.

03:03:40.220 right and i think to your point you made a point earlier and i kind of gave like the

03:03:44.700 like sign to it which was you said the goals are short term and i actually disagree with that uh

03:03:51.120 like and kind of aggressively too because in my mind i think that the problem that we have

03:03:55.640 is we're not thinking long term enough right we're thinking too aggressively everyone's like ah run 0.94

03:04:00.820 it out and like you know scream from the rooftops that everything is like fucked and the media is

03:04:04.800 lying and all this kind of stuff i i think that that you know that the plan should be a little bit

03:04:08.780 more like we're in the early stage. We're pioneering this new space. We're going out,

03:04:13.940 we're building frontier outposts, right? Like what Lomas is doing with Passage Prize and

03:04:18.340 you've got Ren doing with Man's World and all that kind of stuff. Those are forays into this

03:04:24.360 new space that need to establish, they need to grow, they need to be cultivated, right? But as

03:04:28.460 they build and pick up that momentum, it's going to be that, how did you go bankrupt? Well, slowly

03:04:33.820 at first and then suddenly all at once, right? We're going to get to that point. But I think

03:04:38.200 that if we're thinking about things in the long term and we're thinking about right now to your

03:04:42.400 point it's like we shouldn't be expending a lot of energy trying to red pill more people sure

03:04:48.480 there's there's ways that we can kind of do that in uh like you know the 2080 rule we can you know

03:04:53.420 meme and do all that kind of stuff and pull more people into our space but right now it's about we

03:04:57.460 need to like assemble the primarchs you know the 40k stuff like bring everyone together and start

03:05:02.660 like really trying to you know network build relationships build that trust and then we can

03:05:08.100 start to let me just clarify what i meant by the goal thing was if we just imagine it within the

03:05:14.040 framework of a war there's the war which is winning the war is the ultimate goal but then there's the

03:05:18.940 battle or then there's the mission so like man's world would be a mission that's something that

03:05:23.940 you could start and then accomplish whereas but what they're fighting is a larger war which is

03:05:29.240 to fix that makes a lot of sense yeah but it's if you break it down to actual missions missions

03:05:34.280 have the beginning middle and it's like i'm gonna start a magazine and then you he does that

03:05:37.520 he started man's world but then the next mission is how to like grow it red is such an animal that

03:05:43.160 guy's always writing all the time um i'm actually uh we're thinking about you kind of took a dig

03:05:49.320 at supplement lines we're going to start a supplement line with ren soon um one of my

03:05:53.880 buddies is a uh he's an md um he's he's had his own practice for a while he really knows his stuff

03:06:00.360 he's like a based like doctor that's been uh pursuing like true medicine for for a while

03:06:05.100 and um so he's he's going to be uh we're going to be starting that line uh soon and ren's going

03:06:10.640 to be actually endorsing us uh and he's been working with us to kind of formulate the

03:06:14.440 supplements and we're going to be launching that so yeah i'm working on something similar

03:06:17.800 me and a couple guys you know we were trying to answer the question what happens when you

03:06:22.400 combine dick pills with adderall have you met lucas have you met those are two great things 0.99

03:06:29.200 that go great together no uh lucas gage or is this a different lucas no schizo freak on twitter uh 0.99

03:06:36.040 lucas um he's he's got them a lady uh thing he he did the roman towel boy meme here he's one of the

03:06:42.280 there was like three people who did that but like his went the most viral i don't think he was the

03:06:45.740 first sounds like my kind of guy i was just about to say like so he's doing uh his own supplement

03:06:52.840 line uh with with another group and their whole thing is like they're kind of the polar opposite

03:06:58.800 of us like we're really into you know the medicine and the formulation and all that kind of stuff

03:07:03.620 they're kind of just like how aggressive can we be with like certain ingredients like you know it's

03:07:08.400 like what is like the legal limit that we can put in these things so yeah you you'd get along well

03:07:13.260 with him we did an episode i think he was the fifth episode that i did and we ended up talking

03:07:18.460 about um like a ton of things we went to like five hours like i'll call uh lucas up and we'll have

03:07:23.980 like seven hour conversations just about random stuff he's he's like the guy is literally one of

03:07:30.580 the most brilliant people i've ever talked to um but uh yeah so it's i was guess i was we got on

03:07:37.180 the standard because i think ren's an animal the guy is just always creating great content um and

03:07:42.440 you know guys like that it's like especially if you're running a publication it's like okay what's

03:07:47.040 the next mission to grow and you can kind of you know you have a five-year plan but you also think

03:07:51.340 quarterly um and i think we probably have a lot of commonalities because we didn't discuss this

03:07:56.140 at the top but i do work in marketing and i've worked in startups for a couple of years i worked

03:08:02.060 at a startup incubator in toronto canada and i worked with quite a few startups and i worked in

03:08:08.940 the tech space as a sas company that software is a service for people who aren't dorks like me

03:08:15.900 um so i'm i'm maybe not as familiar as you but i have some familiarity and a very deep interest

03:08:21.640 in that space um i know a lot of people in our scene are kind of you know aggressive toward that

03:08:27.320 sort of thing but i'm not i we talked about it quite a bit um anyway i i was i was going to ask

03:08:33.500 you before we go on um there was a book we covered by marco poppick called geopolitical alpha and

03:08:40.960 he's an interesting guy um and he's a finance finance guy and a geopolitics guy and he had

03:08:46.100 made the claim that i agree with i'm curious to hear what you say that he said sass is effectively

03:08:51.360 dead as an investment um that you know it's not as it's not the the wild west exciting place that

03:08:57.500 it used to be money is moving out of software as a service or the big players that are there will

03:09:02.960 probably remain like there's always going to be a sales force there's always going to be

03:09:06.640 you know adobe creative suite whatever it is but like the the smart money isn't going for like the

03:09:12.120 next sexy 10x scrappy thing and i have a few ideas on why that is but i think it just became too full

03:09:20.540 of scams but just off the top your gut reaction to that claim what do you think about that

03:09:25.920 i i you know it's funny because i i um it's it's hard for me i've never i haven't thought about

03:09:33.740 that as a kind of a concept. I do think that to your point, right? Like the main areas have kind

03:09:40.500 of been taken over. So I used to work in recruiting. I'm now in sales, right? You've got CRMs like

03:09:47.680 HubSpot and Salesforce that are pretty, pretty standard, but you also have some smaller ones

03:09:51.760 out there. Recruiting, you have Lever, Greenhouse are usually the two main ones and you have a

03:09:57.520 bunch of others. And when new startup starts, for me, it's like, okay, I have to build

03:10:03.720 my you know my talent engine here you know we're gonna build our recruiting tech stack you know

03:10:08.540 we're gonna we're gonna get we're gonna get our ats or applicant tracking system we're gonna get 0.85

03:10:12.500 like you know we have to buy linkedin recruiter because they fucking extort you and then you have 0.82

03:10:18.360 to get a bunch of other stuff and so to to me um i think you're right that there's like certain 0.65

03:10:23.380 things that are established the question becomes okay well like for sass it's like what new things

03:10:29.680 are you trying to support? Because it's like you can't take on the incumbents unless they get lazy

03:10:36.540 or something new comes out. So yeah, you could be right in that regard. I also think that one

03:10:44.060 of the things that happens with markets is they solidify into a single thing and then they break

03:10:51.740 apart. And then the reason that they break apart is because usually that becomes too monolithic,

03:10:57.580 too over-focused. You can see this with, for example, Amazon and Chewy. Amazon used to sell

03:11:05.980 a lot of dog food and other stuff like that, but because they were trying to do everything,

03:11:11.560 they didn't have a marketplace that was really focused towards pet owners and it was easy for

03:11:18.120 a pet owner to navigate. One of the things that Chewy did, and obviously, I'm a big Chewy fan

03:11:23.260 because uh you have um what's his name uh cohen um who you know now just like bought gamestop and

03:11:31.000 you had that whole thing back in uh you know the end of 2021 um but one of the things that chewy

03:11:36.800 did was they would send like flowers if if a dog passed away typically people had subscriptions on

03:11:43.000 uh on their accounts and usually what happened is they'd get you know a an order in and they'd be

03:11:49.160 like they'd call the people up and say hey i have to return this and you know my dog passed away

03:11:53.100 And the customer service people were always super friendly. They were always like, don't worry about it. Just donate it. It's totally fine. You don't need to send it back. And then they would send flowers to the person and say, hey, we're really sorry for your loss. We care about you as a customer. You can't do that as Amazon. You can't have that level of specificity and catering.

03:12:12.500 And so I think that that is kind of a phenomenon, like I'm, I'm big into meta patterns, you

03:12:18.040 know, who would have thought with the name of Metaprime, but, um, so I, I do think that

03:12:22.180 that will happen.

03:12:22.860 You'll have this consolidation and breakdown.

03:12:24.740 Um, but, but I think you're right in, in the sense that it's hard for me to see someone

03:12:29.360 coming in and trying to create like a new sales CRM or something like that.

03:12:32.960 Yeah.

03:12:33.360 You know, what's interesting is I can also relate that to, uh, streaming services that,

03:12:38.960 you know, there's a proliferation of streaming services.

03:12:41.020 there's a few titans you know there's your amazon prime but then there's this little pygmy thing

03:12:47.740 called shutter and shutter is just for horror and the fact that they they similarly found a market

03:12:55.940 that is heavily monetizable because there's certain markets that that's just where the money

03:13:00.700 is and they're very committed and they love their thing and it turns out that you can have a

03:13:06.540 dedicated streaming service just for horror movies because there's that many horror fans

03:13:10.660 and you might not be able to do that with sci-fi i think they thought they could do that with sci-fi

03:13:15.620 but i don't think they can for some reason the money is more on horror for men and women and 0.95

03:13:22.100 that's just something you only notice if you give a shit about demographics and how demographics 0.96

03:13:26.860 spend money and so the chewy is like you know who spends a lot of money it's very passionate 0.99

03:13:31.260 and very loyal. It's pet owners. Yep. Yeah. And that's the type of stuff I'm interested in too.

03:13:38.220 Yeah. I mean, I find this stuff really, really cool. I mean, and, and, you know, the other thing

03:13:42.320 too, is a lot of the content that I create, I pull a lot of my, my thoughts from the tech space

03:13:49.460 because in my, my mind, what they're doing in the tech space, the approaches that they have,

03:13:54.300 they are, you know, forced by the market to optimize in a very practical and real and

03:13:59.300 truthful way. Obviously, there's parts that don't make sense like DEI and whatnot. But for the most

03:14:05.640 part, it's well-oriented. And so when you have things like agile methodology and lean methodology

03:14:10.540 and you have, I don't know if you've ever read Elijah Goldratt's The Goal, which is basically

03:14:15.240 workflow optimization. If you understand those strategies broadly as meta patterns, you can

03:14:22.000 apply them to anything. You can apply them to your personal life and how you improve your life. You

03:14:25.500 You can take the strategies for building a startup and use that to create parallel movements.

03:14:32.520 You know, you could do all of these really like amazing things with those patterns.

03:14:35.720 So I think it's a very fertile ground if you want to learn very practical intellectual

03:14:41.100 tools that are going to help you in the world.

03:14:44.060 Yeah, I've discovered that when I took a course on lean manufacturing, you know, the

03:14:49.600 model uh it's basically it's a japanese manufacturing methodology uh that goes a bit

03:14:56.740 too far in my opinion but it's about reducing waste it's about looking at the entire uh process

03:15:02.020 of your system mapping it out from beginning middle and end looking at each segment and seeing

03:15:08.240 how where are the likelihood of breakdowns where's the time being wasted and just maximizing for

03:15:14.100 efficiency at every single point now the problem there is that it seeks to reduce or destroy all

03:15:20.060 redundancies so that this is where like just in time manufacturing comes in but that creates

03:15:25.360 problems because if there's any sort of pause the entire fucking system breaks down there's no

03:15:29.800 stockpile of anything and then it's a catastrophe however the idea was that if it's a perfectly 0.77

03:15:36.320 streamlined system there's zero waste and then you you you don't need to have any overhead really

03:15:44.600 but you know you could see how that goes wrong but anyway that's a different way you could you

03:15:48.600 could still apply that in very key areas of whatever human organization you're doing just

03:15:54.000 don't make that your only thing you know yeah well and i'm sure as a video gamer you'd appreciate

03:15:58.300 this analogy that's like the glass cannon method right it's like oh i'm gonna max out my dps if i

03:16:02.680 get hit by like, you know, the, the little sewer rat guy, like it's one hit on me, I'm dead, but

03:16:07.420 like I can take down the biggest boss, you know, uh, as long as I, you know, can kite them or 0.96

03:16:11.460 whatever it is. Right. Um, so it, it is dangerous. I, you know, it's funny. Um, Elon Musk gave an

03:16:17.600 interview recently. I think, I think this was on Rogan and he was talking to Rogan about the

03:16:21.880 cyber truck and designing the cyber truck. And one of the things that he said that really stuck

03:16:26.020 with me was, yeah, I mean, designing the cyber truck was, was very, uh, difficult and impressive,

03:16:31.340 but really it was the production uh process for the cyber truck and i think you know that's really

03:16:36.540 the the cool thing like i you know space age maximalist one of my good uh mutuals on x and

03:16:42.600 and you'll me i i you know added you on to the to the group chat you'll you'll you'll meet these

03:16:46.760 guys soon enough get to know them a little bit but um he's uh literally a rocket scientist he's

03:16:52.620 a space engineer uh and so we kind of geek out about these things we were talking about this and

03:16:56.940 what makes that so amazing is that the space for innovation when it came to designing and building

03:17:05.340 cars was not the cars themselves. It wasn't trying to optimize those. Although they did find some

03:17:10.620 really creative ways to do that, right? If you look at the Cybertruck and the reason that it

03:17:14.180 has that weird kind of rectangular or kind of triangular shape is because the whole car structure

03:17:21.900 is actually load bearing. Whereas if you look at a normal truck, it's just the bed of the truck is

03:17:26.040 actually the load bearing part. So cool stuff like that. But when they were building, uh, the

03:17:31.040 manufacturing, like the designing it, they thought about the manufacturing process broadly. And so

03:17:35.220 they were doing things like, um, you know, if we're getting these sheets of metal in at these

03:17:40.660 certain lengths, then how does that work with how we're constructing the car? We don't have to like

03:17:45.000 weld sheets together to, to, because then we'll have structural weak points. Um, so they were

03:17:50.500 thinking a lot about how the design of the car and the production that, you know, and, and they

03:17:55.240 also think about like the whole system right they're trying to vertically integrate as much

03:17:58.280 as possible and so they found all of these ways to increase all of these efficiencies and just

03:18:02.800 build these things way much faster way more effectively um and it's it's really cool there's

03:18:08.380 this like hour long hour and a half long video youtube video where i forget the the name of the

03:18:13.800 guy but they walk through he's got like all of the head engineers from the different you know

03:18:18.080 electronics and design and production and they just walk through the whole thing and they're

03:18:22.400 talking about it and it's just like the biggest nerdgasm you're ever going to have it's it's

03:18:26.020 fantastic i love that stuff and uh in our space there's a lot of people who don't like elon musk 0.97

03:18:32.600 where they would look at the cybertruck i am a huge fan boy yeah well they look at that's stupid 0.97

03:18:38.200 and he's an idiot i'm like okay like let's take a breath here let's just don't get that take let's 1.00

03:18:43.320 assume elon musk isn't an idiot yeah he knows what he's doing and he's got a pretty good proven track 1.00

03:18:51.420 record if i see something that looks immediately dumb to me but it's by someone who seems to know 0.97

03:18:57.580 what they're doing i'm like okay where am i wrong yeah tell me what i'm missing and so the cyber 0.91

03:19:01.420 truck when you said every aspect of it is load-bearing i'm like oh that's fucking awesome 0.97

03:19:05.100 i get it now i immediately get why that's why it looks yeah what also it's it's fuck it like every 0.98

03:19:12.480 car looks the same that's the other the people who complain about the cyber truck will hit you 0.91

03:19:16.240 with why does every suv look the same because no one's taking big design swings like this anymore

03:19:21.560 when's the last time everyone looks at everything from the 70s like everything was amazing back then

03:19:25.980 yeah well then there's this let's maybe here's a new thing i find that at the very least interesting

03:19:32.060 yeah i my my whole thing with elon is it's exactly the same as yours it's like

03:19:37.580 look at the guy's track record you know to say that this guy is making like like i'm not saying

03:19:43.900 he's always just going to make the best decision all the time but at the very least if you have a

03:19:49.280 decision that he makes that you disagree with you should be thinking he probably knows something i

03:19:54.560 don't or he's probably weighing some other consideration that i'm not aware of like

03:19:59.400 like every every step of the way when he was trying to like dig tunnels in la i think it was

03:20:03.900 he started the boring company yeah it's like oh he's wasting his money on how to dig holes i'm

03:20:07.720 like well that's if you listen to why he's doing that thinking subterranially like that's a very

03:20:13.840 interesting way of trying to very timely uh conversation about tunnels yeah it depends if

03:20:22.020 you want to there's so much to say about that i mean i almost i we had a policy on our show that

03:20:28.320 we break all the time which i don't like to comment on developing stories but i'm like this one

03:20:33.360 there's just so much everything i learned about it i'm like it connects to all this other stuff 0.86

03:20:39.540 and there's like epstein stuff happening too like this is oh man it's a convergence of wild shit

03:20:45.640 we we can we can have you on the podcast to talk another time about kind of the more the more 0.61

03:20:50.180 spicier stuff but literally one of one of my good friends uh you know he's in that area he was like 0.97

03:20:55.740 dude that's like that's like a 10 minute walk from where i am and so he he like just edit out

03:21:01.040 and he was like taking pictures outside the place and sending them to the group chat and it was just

03:21:05.340 someone i saw a tweet and i don't and this could be all we say about it because i don't want to

03:21:09.440 get you in trouble but there's one tweet i read and i i believe this is real he's real huh but

03:21:15.460 there's this guy like from a year ago he's saying i'm living on the first floor apartment i hear

03:21:21.960 people speaking yiddish beneath my floors i what is going on and then he's like i knew it i knew 0.67

03:21:28.760 but i'm like that is such a funny fucking callback i love this site i love i love life again 0.83

03:21:34.480 dude yeah no it's so many so there's this great uh memes that have been popping up too where it's 0.92

03:21:39.820 like you thought 2023 was crazy like it's it's like nine days in 2024 and we're getting like

03:21:47.020 you know uh everyone's like you know everyone's kind of black bill now i'm like ever since trump 0.92

03:21:53.640 got elected i've loved every year there's been some wild shit that's happened every year 0.92

03:21:58.600 remember the submarine thing guys remember that that was pretty crazy oh yeah that guy was like 0.96

03:22:03.520 i'm not hiring white people and then it's like oh well your submarine imploded hey guys remember

03:22:08.780 when the government like a few times said there's ufos i knew that was kind of crazy right 0.93

03:22:13.720 oh yeah i i yeah i think they're gonna like yeah that's that's a whole other

03:22:20.300 i'm introducing i'm planting tangent seeds all around here oh yeah must not let them grow because

03:22:27.080 we were on a good crest of a wave there i completely forget what it was well we yeah

03:22:32.720 we were talking about tech and meta patterns and just nerding out about that stuff one of the

03:22:37.280 things that has occurred to me earlier and this is going to be like a huge throwback so i'm sorry

03:22:42.640 i'm gonna like this is gonna be kind of jarring for some of the listeners but um you were talking

03:22:46.820 about groups and i also do want to get to talking about your awakening experience if we can we can

03:22:52.620 work that in. Um, we'll get to the first thing eventually, but yeah, people are like, when are

03:22:59.780 they going to talk about that? Um, but so you were talking about groups. So when I was, when I was in

03:23:04.240 college, uh, for, for my, um, we do, we do a large paper at the, at the, uh, uh, in our senior year.

03:23:11.280 Um, and it's supposed to be like a book, like hundreds of pages. Um, and so I did mine on how

03:23:17.560 group structure affects cooperation. And it was based on this guy. I don't know if you've heard

03:23:23.300 of this Colombian professor or professor from the University of Columbia, because sometimes that can

03:23:27.020 be confusing if you say Colombian professor, but his name was Duncan Watts. And he basically

03:23:32.080 founded what became network sociology. And I was in college right around the time that Facebook

03:23:39.480 was starting to get big. It was only kind of in a certain number of colleges. But you could see

03:23:44.640 the potential with that and i was just like whoa like you know what could they do with that but

03:23:48.480 but duncan wants he he came up with these amazing really interesting studies so he did one where

03:23:53.760 he had uh a group he had online rooms and um or like online websites and they had music

03:24:03.280 and it was all the same music but in different like versions they had like you know 100 people

03:24:09.440 assigned to each like website and in the different websites he had he had a you know a control

03:24:14.760 version where they didn't have any ratings or comments but in the other ones they all had like

03:24:19.940 a you know zero to five star rating and they had a number of view count and they had some other

03:24:24.620 things right and then so they had a rank and what he found was regardless you would think that okay

03:24:30.880 you have a hundred people they go on they get to rank listen to these songs and rank them

03:24:34.660 you're they're roughly going to all like the same songs right like they tried to control for

03:24:38.680 you know interests and stuff like that what they actually found was any of the songs that were

03:24:42.760 rated highly just got more high ratings yeah right and so you know not not surprising right it's like

03:24:49.280 it's the same thing that they would do on reddit where uh they just get a bunch of bots to like

03:24:53.080 something and try to like shoot it out to the to the front page because you kind of have that

03:24:56.780 pareto distribution that you gain momentum people you know if they see some sort of heuristic for

03:25:01.620 validation um but he did a lot of those a lot of those studies right you're talking about like

03:25:06.480 group structures and so so my thesis was on uh i actually used a world of warcraft as like a real

03:25:12.900 world uh structure to study and i looked at like group store uh group uh gear score and achievement

03:25:19.940 level as a way to uh kind of measure success and then i looked at like guild hierarchy distributions

03:25:26.000 as a way to understand structure uh and then like i correlated those and i you know there's there's

03:25:32.120 really interesting findings uh that was a lot of fun um that's interesting um if i could just add

03:25:38.000 to that momentarily uh we covered this fascinating book called the square in the tower a few episodes

03:25:44.480 ago and it deals with network theory and for those who don't know what that is this is part of a much

03:25:50.740 larger talk we could even have now if you'd like but it's about uh it was graphing uh communities

03:25:56.780 and human distributions on a graph with nodes right and if you they he was applying this to

03:26:02.600 like uh intellectual revolutions or intellectual movements and then revolutions seeing how the

03:26:08.320 human groupings actually were like if you look at the enlightenment uh people would think it's this

03:26:12.840 vast network of intellectuals it not really um each until they could tell this from letters and

03:26:18.420 things like that the intellectual movements were geographically locked um and they were only

03:26:23.540 connected through a few specific individuals so if you look at that as if it's on a graph you have

03:26:29.340 all these nodes clustered but they're these super nodes and these super nodes are individuals with

03:26:34.600 lots of connections and they are the ones that tend to make these movements happen and one example

03:26:41.240 he gave in the book was if you look at the american revolution the american revolution is a fascinating

03:26:45.880 phenomenon because it's all these different groups and militias and movements that oftentimes don't

03:26:51.040 really talk to each other and was up for individuals like Paul Revere. Paul Revere was a super note. Paul Revere was the guy who knew

03:26:58.960 everybody. So he was getting people connected. So you have these specific connectors that try and facilitate all this. But that's

03:27:07.340 almost a Pareto distribution as well. Because, you know, to those who have the most connections, more connections are drawn. Because

03:27:16.900 and then you could even say it in a simpler way people like success why is taylor swift the time

03:27:22.560 person of the year first of all like she taylor swift's been around for a while taylor swift has

03:27:28.960 been climbing that ladder for a long time but it is exponential and at a certain point those people

03:27:35.220 we said who can't rotate shapes in their heads that's what they're attracted to they're attracted

03:27:39.940 to the new big thing they want to be a part of it they want to be a part of the cool new thing

03:27:45.180 that's happening and so that's how someone like taylor swift or beyonce prior to that she's just

03:27:50.320 aged out into like a weird sort of thing but that they they crept they're the crest of that wave

03:27:55.780 that attracts people and just like a popular person once they reach a certain threshold they

03:28:00.460 just start bringing more and more people towards them and some people say that's unfair well it

03:28:04.940 doesn't really fucking matter because you know i fucking love science you know whatever but it's

03:28:10.540 just a fact of life and that's if you if you look at sort of decentralized movements that way 0.95

03:28:17.220 it's less of a rigid hierarchy and more of an ecosystem and you can kind of you know if it's

03:28:23.800 a more modern one you can track the communications through time um even with like the bolshevik 0.93

03:28:29.020 revolution will be one you can track like the the rise of the national the nsdap any any fucking

03:28:34.540 revolution you can actually track this way um that was a bit of a tangent but this is this is

03:28:39.660 Where I'm at intellectually right now, that's the stuff I'm interested in is the decentralized networks, how these groups cluster, how connections can be made, and how these separate groups can accomplish something like the American Revolution.

03:28:56.560 They can get this kind of general momentum, even though they might disagree on certain specifics, you know, but as long as they have these super nodes that can kind of create this web, that's, that's what makes things happen.

03:29:11.980 No, I mean, I couldn't agree with you more.

03:29:14.000 You know, it's, it's interesting because Duncan Watts whole philosophy was if you understood like the, the attributes of a network, you could understand how information moves through it.

03:29:23.320 he wasn't really big on individual nodes being important. He looked more kind of broadly and

03:29:29.400 uniformly. And, and I think that's kind of where his, a lot of his stuff fell flat is because he

03:29:34.060 didn't have like real world studies. A lot of his stuff was, he did some small real world studies,

03:29:39.940 but a lot of the stuff that he did was online modeling of networks. And it was, it was interesting

03:29:45.320 because at the time it was like Malcolm Gladwell came out with a book called the tipping point

03:29:50.100 And like the whole very small fledgling network sociology community was very mad at Malcolm Gladwell because he talked about he I think he had like four types of people that kind of have big influences in networks.

03:30:06.680 And he talks about like the super connector and some other stuff.

03:30:10.080 And they're like, no, this is so antithetical to all of the research that we've done, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 0.99

03:30:14.260 And I used to be very much on, you know, the network sociologist side of like, you know, Malcolm Gladwell's kind of an idiot. And, you know, the more I've kind of lived and experienced, I agree with you 100% on this Pareto distribution idea. Right. And I think we're kind of at this stage where and we've talked a little bit about these ideas. 0.60

03:30:34.420 so I'm going to kind of bring them together, is it takes a little bit of courage and tenacity

03:30:42.060 and drive to try to establish yourself in the Anon space, to go out there, to say these things,

03:30:47.780 to create content. You're not really making any money, right? So it's kind of like a quote-unquote

03:30:53.000 like thankless job, so to speak. I mean, I think I love being a part of the network and I think

03:30:57.760 people are super friendly and supportive. But you're doing this because you believe in it,

03:31:03.080 Right. That's kind of the filter. And we're all coming to kind of coming here. We're coming to

03:31:07.080 the space. We're starting to talk to each other. And I think, you know, one of the ways that you

03:31:10.500 determine the quality of someone typically when it comes to like intelligence and drive and wisdom

03:31:15.260 and all of these things, it's how articulate can they be? How, how well can they distill ideas and

03:31:21.120 play around with ideas? Right. Like I think of wrote a thread on like, you can have like

03:31:25.580 different levels of ideas. You can have your one dimensional version of an idea. That's just the

03:31:30.080 representation right think of that as a line of thought you start and end you have your two

03:31:34.600 dimensional representation of idea that's like a perspective right but it's limited right you're

03:31:38.960 only looking at it from one way then you have the three-dimensional version of the idea which is

03:31:42.800 you know seeing it from different perspectives but it's all about how the different pieces fit

03:31:46.360 together and create like a more cohesive structure and then a four-dimensional you know informational

03:31:51.500 space that's kind of just raw informational space and so you can usually tell if someone exists on

03:31:56.200 like a first second third or fourth dimensional level of understanding of these ideas by how

03:32:01.420 well they can play with it right the Feynman idea of the better you can explain something the better

03:32:06.160 you understand it um I really like that just to pause there I really like that explanation I have

03:32:11.800 nothing else to add other than I like that sorry continue well and and this is the other cool thing

03:32:16.900 I wrote a thread about how do you understand ideas right and and I liken it to music where

03:32:23.420 you know if i have you know like beethoven used to be able to conceptualize entire symphonies in

03:32:27.680 his head but if you're trying to talk to beethoven and get him to explain that symphony it'd be

03:32:32.000 literally impossible right like he could talk about it he might explain some stuff he could

03:32:36.260 hum melody lines but he's not going to be able to convey the full fidelity of that idea that's

03:32:42.320 bumping around in his head but if you've already heard that song right is simple reference is

03:32:47.160 enough to to kind of elicit a pretty articulate picture and so i think that's what happens with

03:32:51.920 a lot of Anons when you're saying like, oh, I thought I was the only one, right? It's that 1.00

03:32:54.840 Spider-Man meme when he meets Miles Morales and he's like, you're just like me, right? Like the

03:32:59.720 Spidey Sensos single. Like that's when I meet like Anons. Like when I, you know, when I first 1.00

03:33:03.840 met with Lucas, literally talked for seven hours. When I first got on a call with Stormy, we literally

03:33:08.220 talked for seven hours. And it's because you're kind of like, like I found this weird person that

03:33:13.460 also likes this weird esoteric band that, you know, they know all of these songs that I know,

03:33:17.900 but like nobody else seems to know and like you just jam about like all of your favorite songs

03:33:22.640 all your favorite ideas how they connect like some people have pieces that you don't have you

03:33:26.700 get to put those together like that's I think the kind of space that we're in currently is where

03:33:31.680 we're and that's when I say we're gathering the primarks we're gathering all of these people that

03:33:35.780 care that have the intellectual capability to like work in those higher dimensional spaces

03:33:39.640 they're forming the ideas in the pioneering level and then the next step is kind of the

03:33:44.580 marketing side of things is like, how do we distribute that broadly? How do we speak to

03:33:48.540 the different generations? How do we get people, you know, how do we build the parallel movement

03:33:52.820 from like a startup perspective, like, you know, buy a minimal viable product and all that kind

03:33:57.100 of stuff. And so I think that's where we're at is we're at this like formulation stage of the

03:34:01.340 network. Yeah. And you raised a good point there about how, you know, the reason I'm here and the

03:34:08.840 reason I'm doing this is because I wouldn't be doing anything else. I can't imagine I'd be

03:34:13.080 anywhere else um because i've been me for as long as i can remember if you have any sort of self

03:34:19.560 awareness that tends to come with age you start to see the patterns of your own life if you look 0.98

03:34:24.060 back like i couldn't have ended up anywhere else what am i going to be a fucking neocon no and i 0.95

03:34:29.840 gen and you have to like people it helps if you like people there's a lot of people on your side 0.96

03:34:34.640 that are here because they hate people and that's the only reason and they will just be directed by

03:34:39.760 that hate and they'll usually direct it at their friends eventually they're directed to their own

03:34:44.520 compatriots but i think a lot of people myself like i'm here because i like i believe these

03:34:50.400 ideas and i want to help people and i do it for free i make a little bit of money doing this not

03:34:55.280 a lot i i was doing it for free forever um and because i feel like i'm possessed by that passion

03:35:02.820 because i'm at a point where i'm fully confident in my first principles and we were kind of talking

03:35:09.040 about this earlier about people who are maybe shopping around for models i would say they're

03:35:15.220 shopping around for fandoms a lot of people men especially they're looking for the model of

03:35:20.420 masculinity and they kind of go down these blind alleys and end up with a bunch of clowns and

03:35:26.440 sickos but uh you know a lot of times like when when you're trying to craft your life 0.84

03:35:32.520 are you just trying to craft a fandom you know just a a model that you're trying to emulate or

03:35:38.240 you actually have values and first principles or some deeper animating essence and that it doesn't

03:35:43.820 matter if you're the only one doing it you actually just believe in it and that's where

03:35:48.340 i'm at now where i'm not trying to model my life after anyone else and i think once you reach that

03:35:54.400 there's a maybe it comes with age i think you can be in your 20s and do that but it took me a while

03:35:59.860 to do it you know we didn't have this shit when i was younger like they didn't have like i'm the

03:36:06.040 same age group as you so yeah like like if i was like 23 and we had this thing going on now it 0.80

03:36:13.820 might have been very different but forums and like irc chats were a lot different yeah back then

03:36:19.140 it was just full of weirdos but you know anyway um i i just that i i agree with what you're saying

03:36:24.800 and i think um we're getting to a point where we're separating the people who are genuinely

03:36:28.160 who are who are doing this because they actually want to help people and they care about people

03:36:33.400 and they have a positive view and they have a confidence of values and first principles and not

03:36:38.760 just like a utopian schematic that they're bickering over and that sometimes has to emerge

03:36:45.420 from an individual that's where the spirituality comes from you don't you don't join a religion

03:36:50.660 just because you want to join a collective that's the bad way to go around about it that's why

03:36:55.380 people like kind of bounce between churches you see that happen all the time because i haven't

03:37:00.680 found the army to take me in yet, but you're going about it the wrong way. There's, there is

03:37:05.860 something generated within you as an individual. And I think we can sort rank for those people a

03:37:10.680 bit better now. Absolutely. I mean, one of the things that I've, I've tweeted about recently,

03:37:16.080 because I have another article that's kind of bumping around in my head. It's, it's called

03:37:19.920 the, you know, the game of life, or I think I initially called it the duality game. Cause

03:37:24.200 I was trying to articulate the idea between material and spiritual, but it doesn't quite

03:37:27.940 makes sense i realize that the game of life is also a game yes exactly well and i don't know if

03:37:34.400 you've read um i have a lot of content so i wasn't you're like i i i haven't read any like you know

03:37:40.320 i've listened to like two podcasts that you're on so not a lot like oh you haven't read my article

03:37:44.460 on uh materialism or naturalism or you know whatever but i will say i forgot to say this i

03:37:49.340 do like your site because i was reading your site and i am a huge fan and i would just as a point

03:37:53.940 say that i'd like to see more of stuff like this from people it's very well made and i think there's

03:38:01.520 more public facing stuff that i like to see come from our side anyway you can do hey from a marketer

03:38:07.660 i'll take it because the one the one uh thing that i'll hear from people is like ah this is a

03:38:11.900 little too gamery or something like that and it's like i think i know my audience but i i appreciate

03:38:16.360 that if you're like an intellectual it was it came from a guy who has like three phds that was 0.99

03:38:20.040 like i think you have a certain different taste but yeah how about three phds and no pussy 0.93

03:38:25.800 poor guy i hope he's not listening to this but um so uh yeah so in naturalism one of the things 0.73

03:38:35.000 i talk about is we live in a world where uh you have rules right i believe in objective truth

03:38:40.760 right like a foundationally there is a truth it's like the kantian idea of truth we never really

03:38:44.680 know it, but it exists since we, that's our foundational belief for science, right? That is

03:38:50.260 literally science is founded on faith, right? That's something that kind of gets lost on a lot

03:38:54.760 of people these days. But then the other piece is, okay, well, if you have rules, what's the next

03:38:58.880 step? It's a goal, right? And that's why when I say the goal of life is to flourish, right? And

03:39:03.820 I think that's pretty self-explanatory. It's like life is not, that's not continuing. That's not

03:39:08.900 perpetuating and healthy patterns stops to existing, right? It's just dead, right? And so

03:39:13.720 it makes sense to say flourishing is the best thing. Now, there's different ways you can do

03:39:17.680 that, right? You obviously want to continue yourself if you think of yourself as a healthy

03:39:21.380 pattern, but you also want to have kids and put out good ideas and do all that kind of stuff.

03:39:26.840 But anytime you have rules and then a clear goal, you have strategies, optimal strategies.

03:39:32.620 And so this is a big thing for me. It's like, I don't think I know that we can say being fat is

03:39:39.400 bad like period objectively it's not a question like their beauty is good right like truth is

03:39:45.860 good right like these things aren't like in my mind like that whole nihilistic subjective there's

03:39:50.640 no meaning on any of that kind of stuff it's like no there's a game it's got rules it's got a goal

03:39:54.920 it's got strategies if you don't know that if you haven't figured that out yet like you need to get

03:39:59.140 on that page right um there's a couple interesting let me just add to that if you don't mind

03:40:05.520 I agree. And if I had to use my own words to describe it, you know, we came to the conclusion through many reviews on the show and finding the same sort of arguments and patterns across different fields of study.

03:40:21.100 I think it's fair to say that the meaning of life, the purpose of life is replication, and that's a very scientific way of saying it. But a couple of examples, I'll contrast two books here.

03:40:34.560 there was this interest a couple interesting books one's called the information uh the other

03:40:39.660 one is called cybernetics by was it alfred herbert weiner the guy who basically invented

03:40:46.420 the word cybernetics um and you'll find this interesting so you know getting into uh data

03:40:52.620 and getting into machine learning and like what is information what actually is information

03:40:57.620 information is a very very deep concept uh information and in the book the information

03:41:02.360 it's a very interesting book it's like you know in short i don't want to get too deep in this but

03:41:06.880 information is it's it's like almost like a thought that is encoded with enough detail to

03:41:13.360 withstand entropy we live in an entropic universe and information is always trying to find ways

03:41:19.200 to almost build armor around itself so it doesn't fall victim to entropy and dna is also information

03:41:26.040 once you drill down into what dna actually is it's actually just information and an argument made by

03:41:31.040 a lot of geneticists is that, you know, the human body is just an information transmission system

03:41:37.300 for DNA. It's just that something DNA created to exist in the universe to propagate itself

03:41:44.560 going forward. And that's so we're just a DNA delivery system. And we also reviewed the book,

03:41:50.680 The Revolutionary Phenotype by J.F. Garepi. You know, some people have their thoughts on him,

03:41:54.860 but it's a very, very interesting book. I can't recommend The Revolutionary Phenotype enough.

03:41:59.580 But then I would contrast that against another book.

03:42:03.700 And we had this gentleman on our show, E. Michael Jones.

03:42:06.660 He had this book called Logos Rising.

03:42:09.020 And he's a Catholic.

03:42:10.180 And he approaches the concept of Logos.

03:42:13.440 Logos, from a Christian Catholic perspective, all throughout history.

03:42:17.080 What is Logos?

03:42:18.300 And it goes into, you know, in the Bible.

03:42:21.460 I'm not trying to give a Bible study here.

03:42:23.200 But it was the phrase, in the beginning, there was the word.

03:42:27.160 And the word was with God. 0.89

03:42:28.560 and what the fuck does that mean that's kind of a confusing idea like a lot of people just don't 0.89

03:42:35.260 think about it and he kind of went back in history and found the concept of logos which is a greek 0.94

03:42:40.480 word which is a pre-christian idea which was you know the the act of speech which gives creation

03:42:47.620 so the basically the idea of that there's god but then there's this this creative essence called

03:42:54.140 logos the word the word that is he speaks it but it's also this other thing that speaks through

03:43:00.460 him so like there's this this this essence of creation through love and so when people say oh

03:43:07.400 god's love you know i'm not trying to like convert people here but just to explain where he's coming

03:43:12.440 from like when you talk about creation through love love is just the act of creation for the

03:43:18.460 sake of creation so almost within these two books within these parallel models you have

03:43:23.720 almost the same thing of just replication for the sake of replication and what you were talking about

03:43:29.540 is sort of what's what is the replication what's that vitalism like what what makes it easier like

03:43:36.340 what is healthy healthy things replicate right unhealthy things die so we can say that which

03:43:41.580 helps you replicate the most effectively is the healthiest and that is also attuned to beauty

03:43:46.840 and so you start to see this this start to gain traction about how you like why is it better to

03:43:52.600 be fit than to be fat why is it better to reproduce than not reproduce and so it's all kind of bound

03:43:58.720 up in that i know that was a lot of ideas at once but sure it was from a scientific perspective and

03:44:03.900 even a religious perspective you have the idea of replication for the sake of replication and

03:44:08.380 figuring out what if that's why the catholics are so big into saying yes to life that's why

03:44:13.140 they're so anti-contraception that's why they want to have a lot of kids that's just a manifestation 0.85

03:44:16.820 of that idea of just have as much life as possible for the sake of it, just because

03:44:23.560 you like creation. Anyway, what do you think about all that?

03:44:28.100 Oh, I agree with you. I think the important thing in my mind is replication is not just

03:44:34.340 have kids, it's replication of positive ideas. I think that that is kind of an important aspect

03:44:40.180 as I've been thinking about it. It's like, that's why I think when I say flourishing and

03:44:43.440 the propagation of healthy patterns you yourself are a healthy pattern you want to perpetuate that

03:44:47.980 through time you want to propagate that through time right you want to certainly the belief is

03:44:51.940 that if you if you have these qualities you will propagate and those we might call them dysgenic

03:44:57.400 qualities like if we want to use scary words there's dysgenic qualities that are self-defeating

03:45:03.060 that you know there's this great tweet by this guy named uh ian miles chong i believe you might

03:45:10.200 have seen this one oh no yeah you said a great tweet from ian miles chong the great right i mean

03:45:15.260 we were doing so well that's the great reason it's the worst thing you've ever seen but could

03:45:19.680 have only come from him right because he was basically he's arguing for oh i see what you're

03:45:24.400 saying he was not okay yeah no he just grazed and he's a character that everything he says 0.67

03:45:29.540 like he's such a fucking lummox right yeah he's like i'm on the side of weakness i'm on the side 1.00

03:45:35.960 of it because oh yes and i'm like i saw that you're fat and you're ugly and you're fucked up 1.00

03:45:42.340 and you can't tie your shoes and i don't think you reproduce i don't think someone like you 1.00

03:45:47.540 there's not going to be seven eden miles chungs you can't he's a dead end and there's a lot of 0.99

03:45:53.160 genetic dead ends but you know those people are kind of self-defeating if you leave them to but 1.00

03:45:57.820 they're like a giant is genetic biomass sure if you're not careful will rise up and swallow you

03:46:03.100 too but if you are attuned to these sort of vitalistic ideas that you're talking about

03:46:07.920 like it seems like you're you're destined to reproduce just because you're aligned with beauty

03:46:12.700 with truth with duty with legacy you care about legacy these people don't so they're they're 0.99

03:46:18.940 bound to just die in a fucking ditch somewhere oh i couldn't agree more right i i think um 0.98

03:46:25.240 that is a big thing for me is like um you want to put put these healthy things into the world and 0.99

03:46:31.940 there is, there is things that are better, right? Like you should be pursuing and perpetuating and

03:46:36.720 promoting things that are better. And I also think, you know, I mentioned that I'm God-pilled.

03:46:41.320 So basically, and if you've ever read Huxley's The Perennial Philosophy, but that's like the

03:46:46.260 most kind of known work that, that kind of aligns with my own, I call it meta-spirituality,

03:46:51.400 which is, I believe all religions are different interpretations of the same thing. Call it God,

03:46:55.160 a higher power, whatever you'd like. I call it the divine. I think that there are certainly

03:47:00.080 better interpretations than others, right? You think of similarly, I think there are better

03:47:04.800 cultures than others. I think there are better people than others, right? You shouldn't be a

03:47:09.560 crazy idea. And I think Christianity is clearly the superior religion. That being said, I think 1.00

03:47:17.340 it's like any framework, it is limiting in the sense that if you, like I've run into people who

03:47:23.700 think um soulless scripture right it was like yeah i can't believe anything uh that's not in

03:47:28.760 the bible and to me i found god through life through experience like i had a divine revelation

03:47:35.360 um where i spoke with with god and i kind of tapped into the code that's my experience and

03:47:40.520 my interpretation and you know i think anyone's capable of that if they they kind of humble

03:47:44.800 themselves and and do the right thing and so i think that there's alternative paths outside the

03:47:49.700 bible to learning you don't absolutely if i can interrupt for a second just to clarify i i'm very

03:47:55.260 much with you there and i'll give an example of what i don't want to do because there's a lot of

03:47:59.820 um christians and a lot of people who say this who i deeply respect but they get so deep into

03:48:06.400 christianity that they say that well um due to god's providence you know we essentially deserve

03:48:13.480 everything we're getting that god good with they say good wins in the end god wins in the end so

03:48:18.200 it actually doesn't matter what we're going through right now because i have faith that

03:48:21.240 good triumph is in the end and i'm like i don't know what to do with that i don't know how that

03:48:26.960 addresses any of these problems i'm not going to just lay down that's sort of the tolstoy thing

03:48:31.600 we're talking about you believe that good wins in the end so i'm going to let evil trample me

03:48:36.840 due to that faith i'm like that there's no utility in that i think that's defeating um and there's a

03:48:42.580 lot of christians who would say that's not a christian belief but there's a lot of people who

03:48:45.720 think that and i i just i i think that that does not have any political influence like you still

03:48:52.600 need to be on the side of survival and if anything conflicts with the drive for survival for

03:48:59.820 replication reproduction creation whatever that should be put to the side like don't be so

03:49:05.600 ideological or spiritual that it becomes anesthetizing i guess is what i would get at

03:49:11.380 Yeah. I mean, I think it's well encapsulated in the idea that God helps those who help themselves. It's like, yes, I believe that truth is superior, that good is superior, but that doesn't mean I'm just going to wait for that to happen.

03:49:23.500 And I think we talked a little bit about this earlier. It's like we need people who are willing to take up the sword. That was my whole thing is like, look, I don't think I'm the best guy out there. There might be better people than me, but I see that there's this opportunity to build something, to be the guy, to start networking people together, having conversations, pushing it in the direction that I think it should go.

03:49:44.940 even if no one else is going to do that i'm going to go and do that and i could be wrong

03:49:48.520 right and i could fail miserably and all that kind of stuff but i know that my time on earth

03:49:53.240 is precious i know that i'm i'm like and i would not forgive myself if i didn't if i saw this as a

03:50:00.040 need and i just stood idly by yeah well one thing that uh you know a public policy that i would

03:50:06.020 advocate for in here in canada which is a hard stop on the influx of immigration and probably

03:50:12.680 mass deportations of a lot of the the indians who've come in over the past 10 years because

03:50:17.380 it's it's gone insane and they would say well that's not very christ-like and i would say 0.99

03:50:21.820 i'll take it up with him in the meantime go fuck yourself you're not using that against me i was 0.99

03:50:27.800 born on night i wasn't fucking born last night i ain't gonna work on me well you know what christ 1.00

03:50:32.040 would do whatever i say i don't believe in any of that shit go fuck yourself or kick in the knees 1.00

03:50:37.320 yeah well and that's the thing right there's this interesting tweet uh i'm sure you know of destiny 1.00

03:50:43.420 the guy who got divorced recently out of his like open relationship oh yeah yeah yeah i tell you

03:50:48.700 what i don't even hate destiny i've actually watched enough destiny clips where i'm like

03:50:53.000 you know what i bet i could talk to this guy and maybe we could even come to terms on some things

03:50:59.360 he's a bit of a sophist like he's a weird guy when he decides he wants to be against you he'll get

03:51:04.780 his community to come up with a point like he just wants to beat alex jones but he's also willing

03:51:09.380 to go on jesse lee pearson and be called a cuck for an hour i'm like okay that's kind of funny

03:51:14.440 like he's willing i don't know i think i can i could work on him i don't know okay anyway yeah

03:51:20.040 i mean i i don't know you know like i i haven't consumed a lot of his content he's going through

03:51:24.780 his divorce arc he might end up hating women at the end of this let's just yeah yeah you know

03:51:28.720 it might be a very interesting journey that he's he slowly like red pills and then maybe he just 0.93

03:51:34.300 drags a shit ton of his followers along with him. But to me, he's an aggregate of like a lot of

03:51:39.900 these sophist kind of all life is subjective arguments. Oh, exactly. Like, I don't agree

03:51:44.920 with any of that stuff. Let me just be clear. No, no. Yeah. And I get I get that's what you're

03:51:48.640 saying. He's like, he's at least curious and willing to have the conversations. But I saw

03:51:53.100 this clip and he's discussing this with a Christian and he makes the point like, well,

03:51:57.960 look, you have this one guy who says, oh, my morality is based on God. You have this other

03:52:01.540 person who says that their morality is based on the word of God, but they disagree about what is

03:52:05.580 moral and what is correct. So how do you justify that? Right. And the guy's like kind of stumbling

03:52:09.920 over himself and he can't really, he doesn't really get to answer that question. And I'm like,

03:52:14.080 dude, I would destroy you if I got to answer that question. And my, my answer is basically

03:52:18.580 goes back to that naturalist thing where, look, there's rules to reality. Um, and we might not

03:52:24.520 know them perfectly, but we can build frameworks based on our experience, right? Like that's the

03:52:28.940 process is we're building a framework for understanding reality. And then there is a

03:52:32.960 goal, right? That goal of flourishing, but it's always contextual. You're playing the metagame,

03:52:38.620 of course, right? Um, where you need to make a decision inside, you know, what resources do I

03:52:43.920 have? What is the situation I'm in and how do I optimize between the two? And so morality is more

03:52:50.080 of like you, you hack it, you can have these general strategies, but it's, it's ever shifting

03:52:55.180 based on the context. And so you, this is the problem is like for guys like us, where we can

03:52:59.920 look at a situation and we can make decisions, um, we don't need, like we can follow general rules,

03:53:05.800 but then there's a group of people that just need rules so that they can just go back and default to

03:53:10.640 those things, but they're not going to be able to think, uh, creatively or, you know, kind of,

03:53:15.360 uh, inventively in the moment. Right. And, and I think that that's the problem with morality is

03:53:19.800 people like that. They look and they say, it's always good to be kind, right. They just have

03:53:24.340 this rule but they they don't understand okay well like if someone is evading your house and

03:53:28.360 they're going to kill your family like do you not think it's okay to kill that person in self-defense

03:53:33.460 like i do like you know like no question an interesting um manifestation of that in geopolitics

03:53:41.600 is the neorealist school of thought uh which is more which tries to stand outside of ideology and

03:53:48.500 it seeks i wrote an article on this for the website i have called the vanguardist journal

03:53:53.580 that's where i write all of my long form stuff and the prudentialist is big on this you know

03:53:58.520 prudentialist he he's huge in the school of thought this would be hans morgenthal this would

03:54:03.040 be john meersheimer there's a lot of advocates of this those names might sound familiar to people

03:54:07.860 who are into this stuff but it's trying to say that you know a lot of the values and ideology

03:54:13.180 you know for example like america talks about freedom but it doesn't behave often in a way

03:54:17.300 where it's promoting freedom and it might align with people who don't go who are against freedom

03:54:23.880 entirely because at the end of the day the the purpose of every leader of a nation is just to

03:54:30.500 secure the existence of that nation and oftentimes they'll bend the rules circumstantially and you'll

03:54:36.600 work with some why did the americans work with the communists against the nazis and then work

03:54:42.760 with others against the communists later because you know these sliding sort of relationships are

03:54:47.960 just it's game theory essentially it's that you know i'm going to bend the rules because nothing

03:54:53.200 will supersede my desire for the survival of my people and my nation however that might be

03:54:58.560 so at the highest level of public policy you have people making these shady deals because

03:55:03.560 once you realize that survival is the only thing that matters these sort of highfalutin ideas and

03:55:07.940 morality you can talk about them and you could even have religious values that you kind of push

03:55:13.540 to the side you know saudi arabia doesn't like china doesn't like america but china has a lot

03:55:19.940 of dealings with america that are and this is also what marco poppick was talking about he said um

03:55:25.700 you know uh idealism is always observing to constraints to material constraints and this

03:55:31.700 gets into like a whole other geopolitical theory but there's certain realities that all the ideology

03:55:36.420 and all the morality can't get you over and you just need to confront them if you want to survive

03:55:42.340 and you're if you if you believe that my survival long term is the only thing that matters your

03:55:49.040 morality is actually subserving to that in most cases so you might end up having to betray your 0.98

03:55:54.200 ideals one day but you fucking need to like you but just saying like i'm always anti-murder i'm 0.99

03:56:00.680 anti-violence so you're not going to defend yourself okay then you die like then you're 1.00

03:56:05.120 gone. Like that's, there's certain times where you'll need to betray your ideals just because

03:56:09.640 the circumstance demands. This is a big point for me. So when I'm writing, I was writing that,

03:56:13.540 that game about, you know, balancing the material and the spiritual, right? Like it's so easy for

03:56:18.420 people nowadays to say, oh, I'll make a material sacrifice for my spiritual ideals, right? Like

03:56:24.120 I will turn the other cheek because I think it's right to be kind. And I'll take the downside of

03:56:29.440 that. People rarely think about the situations in where they should compromise their spiritual

03:56:36.720 ideals for their material. Now, I'm not saying this is something that people should just do

03:56:41.720 and do wantonly, but the reason that we have the material is that it enables us to better pursue

03:56:49.640 the spiritual. This is a big thing. I believe that God created the universe very intentionally.

03:56:57.020 It is perfect. There is literally no better way that it could be constructed. And the reason one of the core parts of this perfect system is if you have a belief, you can talk about that belief, you can say things, right? That doesn't matter. What matters is your actions. Does your actions reflect those beliefs?

03:57:17.460 and you can't, so you can't prove that you believe something without actually taking action. I, you

03:57:23.840 know, I have a good friend on the timeline. He's a bodybuilder and he had put something about how,

03:57:28.040 oh, you know, there's a lot of right wing guys, you know, in the gym and there's a lot of good

03:57:31.020 people in the gym. And why is that? You know, it's like, we're, we're good people and we're in

03:57:34.220 the gym. And I, and I basically wrote this thing and I said, look, it is objectively true that it

03:57:38.940 is good to be healthy. And if you understand truth and you believe in truth, the only way that you

03:57:44.340 can say that you really believe in it is if you're going to the gym and you're working out and you're

03:57:49.180 getting healthy. Because if you say that you believe in that thing and then you don't really

03:57:53.760 do it, what you believe in is seeming like you believe in that thing. You think that it's valuable

03:57:58.500 to seem like you're doing those things, right? And so real belief is tested by the actions that

03:58:04.460 you take in your life. Your life story is literally a manifestation of your soul, of the degree of

03:58:10.220 belief that you have and the will that you have to act it um and i forget exactly where my point

03:58:15.480 was that's a good point just to circle back to destiny i do find that people on the right they

03:58:20.000 put their money where their mouth is and i see that more than anywhere else politically and you

03:58:25.800 know someone like destiny just to be a bit mean here like i bet he i've seen him talk all day

03:58:31.320 about you know raising kids and stuff but he abandoned his child you know he didn't raise

03:58:36.560 his son i left his his the single mother to raise and sends them money but he he talks a lot of

03:58:43.180 these sort of high-minded ideas but if you look at the life he is living he just streams 24 7

03:58:48.720 and lives a hedonistic lifestyle yeah and so hearing any sort of high-minded idea come out of

03:58:56.080 that manifestation of it just rings false and you know you can't just live a false life like that

03:59:03.420 forever eventually you do need to turn on yourself like yeah i i'm in favor of masculinity okay but

03:59:09.820 are you are you taking steps to live in a masculine space that's hard i know it's hard i'm one of my

03:59:15.860 favorite quotes is from harvey p car american splendor you know real like they said you know

03:59:21.540 all you do is write about real life and he said hey man real life's pretty complicated stuff

03:59:26.280 it is if and this is the thing about right if you're living your life well if you are trying to

03:59:32.940 be in shape learn how to shoot guns and raise a family it's hard to find time for anything else 0.90

03:59:39.460 i don't know how i find time to podcast with fucking nine month old up here but but if you're 0.96

03:59:45.160 living life you know manifesting all these beliefs it's going to be really difficult but you'll feel 0.97

03:59:50.620 like you're on a trajectory and the feeling like you're on some kind of path is more energizing

03:59:56.960 than just living in the theory of it absolutely yeah i mean it's as simple as uh i'm sure if you

04:00:03.560 ever heard of like flow state or being in the zone right like you heard of being in the zone

04:00:06.880 yeah yeah yeah so so i wrote i read this really great book uh it's called the rise of superman

04:00:12.240 it's not about uh cartoons or anything like that um or comics but it's it's about how extreme sports

04:00:19.840 studying extreme sports as a way a pathway to understanding that kind of like flow state that

04:00:25.660 you can achieve, right? Because you can achieve flow state in a conversation or whatever it is,

04:00:30.720 but really what flow state is, is that point of engagement where you're not over a challenge,

04:00:37.420 but you're not under challenged, right? Like you're engaged in the moment with what you're

04:00:40.920 doing. And why is it that your body, your mind, like it just feels good when you're engaged in

04:00:48.140 the right level of challenge? Well, you know, my theory on kind of a spiritual side of why we exist,

04:00:53.320 why we're here is we are here to come to know ourselves, to come to know God, and to come to

04:00:59.380 know creation, the created world. And it is through the experience of our lives, through trial and

04:01:07.040 adversity, where we come to know these things, right? Because in order to understand the world

04:01:11.540 around us, we literally, we need to come to understand it. And we also need to come to

04:01:15.720 understand ourselves. It's like, what resources do I have? How's the world around me react?

04:01:19.720 you know how do i engage with that and so but you're also as you engage with those different

04:01:25.240 um you know problems and adversity and stuff like that you are literally displaying your the quality

04:01:30.700 of your soul through your actions and so again i talked earlier about this perfect system and how

04:01:34.640 this works right and so and so that's a that's a big part of this is like you are literally through

04:01:39.220 your life story through these challenges and adversity and all these difficult things that

04:01:43.600 you're doing you are displaying who you are you're learning about the universe you're learning about

04:01:48.220 God, you're learning about yourself. And when I encourage people to think about their lives

04:01:54.860 and to think about what they should be doing with their lives, one of the things I do is take a step

04:02:00.020 back, think of your life like a story, like you're reading a book about yourself. And tell your story

04:02:08.480 up to where you are now and think, what would you want that character to do? If they were to do

04:02:14.580 something that you would admire and that you would appreciate and you would respect, what does that

04:02:19.100 look like? And I think that is the way you should orient yourself is you should always try to do

04:02:23.800 the things where you can look at yourself in the mirror and you can say, hey, look, it wasn't an

04:02:28.100 easy decision. It might not have been the quote unquote best or moral decision by those rigid

04:02:34.640 standards, but I made the decision based on what I believed was the right thing to do. And so it is

04:02:41.320 that engagement in the question. It's that thinking. I tell people all the time, they'll

04:02:44.860 say, oh, how do I know if I'm a good person? I say, I already know you're a good person.

04:02:48.540 They're like, wait, that's not possible. I make mistakes all the time. I'm like, yes,

04:02:51.840 that's part of life. You're going to make mistakes. But the people who are the best

04:02:55.280 people are the people who are thinking about how do I know if I'm the best person? What

04:02:59.300 am I doing? Are these things that I'm doing actually good? Because that is the first step.

04:03:04.220 It's not about knowing the answer. It's about engaging with the right questions.

04:03:08.640 Yeah. Well, you mentioned earlier, sorry to interrupt you, but there's a lot to go off of there. And you had mentioned, I think earlier, how you like to write and even journaling and things like that. And that's sort of what that's manifestation of, like, taking your thoughts and putting them on page, confronting your ideas, which is something people don't do. Similarly, confronting your past.

04:03:31.340 and like i said before this stuff seems to come with age um but i think you can do in your 20s i

04:03:36.860 i certainly did to some degree but taking a cold hard look at you as if you were someone that you

04:03:43.340 know you know even do that with your parents you know look at your mom or dad just as a woman or a

04:03:48.740 guy that you know look at them like their friends might look at them it's it's kind of trippy once

04:03:53.160 you do that but look at them as people look at yourself as not just the main character of your

04:03:56.520 life like maybe you made bad decisions but you know this comes easy for guys like us because we

04:04:01.020 record our voices all the fuck time and are forced to listen to it again and again it's a

04:04:06.580 maddening experience but i've had to be confronted with my own ideas constantly and you become numb 0.70

04:04:12.320 to it after a while but you actually there's a strength that comes with that of really looking

04:04:17.740 at your life and realizing that the sequence of events the chain that brought you to this point

04:04:24.240 and maybe some people can never do that like we said some people got no internal monologue maybe

04:04:29.460 it's not something everybody can do but probably the people listening to this show can and i think

04:04:35.740 that that's a good starting point and also um you know this also comes easy to people who've lived

04:04:41.400 what we might describe as a well-textured life the guys who've been divorced the guys who have

04:04:47.380 had addictions that they overcame or depression that they overcame some some hardship that forces

04:04:53.200 them to confront themselves like that like i used to have a pretty bad drinking problem i haven't

04:04:57.780 drink in many years and you know usually when you come out of some sort of substance abuse issue

04:05:02.160 you're in some kind of program or whatever but you need to like why did i do this and really

04:05:07.820 unworked because it's not just that i i have a problem with this one thing no you got a much

04:05:12.980 deeper problem in your software that this is just one manifestation of that maybe you got a problem

04:05:19.020 with going too far with everything you can't control yourself with any substance there's all

04:05:24.440 kinds of things, if you really look at yourself like a guy that you know. So maybe that comes

04:05:29.360 easier to people who've had maybe rough lives, maybe lives where things didn't always go right.

04:05:35.020 And maybe there's a lot of those people in this scene. And again, this sounds like psychology

04:05:39.600 stuff and people don't like that, but you'll be able to achieve a confidence that you'll understand

04:05:46.960 your place in the world better. You'll understand why things happen. And that's at the very least

04:05:51.860 a starting point to build yourself into who you want to be yeah and i love that we're on the same

04:05:57.820 wavelength about this like i had a good feeling and and i didn't think uh you know stormy would

04:06:02.400 have recommended you lightly um but i think what we're really hitting on here to kind of like give

04:06:08.420 it a nice um kind of like uh moniker just kind of give a name to it is what we're really into in

04:06:15.840 this space is a pursuit of truth. And with that pursuit of truth becomes a journey of self

04:06:22.700 discovery. And that's why a lot of my content is focused on self-improvement early on. It's like

04:06:30.560 you need to become a strong version of yourself for you to then go out and to make the world

04:06:35.800 around you a better place. And so how do you do that? Well, it's a spiritual thing. It's a

04:06:40.120 psychological thing. It's hard work. It's practical. It's learning the material ways of

04:06:45.440 the world right and i i think that that is why you know you come to you know the anon space and

04:06:51.300 twitter and x and you have the bodybuilder group you have the you know the the the food guys you

04:06:57.200 have the tech bros you have the crypto people right it's you have the arts and the literature

04:07:02.180 people right like it's all of these groups are just saying like learn grow improve and now we're

04:07:09.620 at that space okay cool like now we have a lot of strong minds we have a lot of amazingly brilliant

04:07:14.680 people uh you had made the point earlier right like if you come to this space and everyone's 0.99

04:07:20.000 kind of like a basement dwelling retard then you're probably like yeah this is this is probably 1.00

04:07:23.660 not the place for me but you come here and you just run into the brilliant brilliant minds 1.00

04:07:28.200 these people have built amazing things or they're really fascinating or they're passionate about

04:07:32.500 stuff and you're like well this feels like i'm in the right place or you know what's interesting is

04:07:36.620 some people come at it from i maybe most people come at it from the opposite direction they come

04:07:41.600 like i'm just interested in bodybuilding i'm just interested in weird old books and then they they

04:07:48.600 pursue that and then just miraculously find themselves surrounded by all these right-wing

04:07:53.580 schizos you know i mean like they start with something i just have this interest in this this

04:07:57.880 very fascinating thing that leads them eventually into a political space but you know that was the

04:08:04.700 one thing the right always had in my mind going back to the bodybuilding forums going back to

04:08:09.760 anyone who was taking bodybuilding or fitness seriously it was just it started with that

04:08:15.080 interest and then the forums were just coincidentally filled up with right-wing guys

04:08:19.100 you know it just followed yeah no i agree and this is this is a nice thing this is like a

04:08:24.860 little transition that we can make because i've you know i've gone to different uh like events

04:08:29.120 um with with people uh that kind of crossover they're just kind of like alternative spaces

04:08:33.840 like the Sovereign House events in New York. And I've run into people there who, I ran into this

04:08:41.020 one guy who's very passionate about understanding the psychedelic space, the spiritual psychedelic

04:08:46.340 space, mapping that out. And we were having a conversation and I was talking about the space

04:08:51.800 in Twitter that I occupy. And a lot of my point with how I try to position myself is I don't go

04:08:58.640 super hard in the timeline. I don't typically go too hard in the podcast or anything like that,

04:09:03.280 because to your point, I think there's a lot of people who are interested in pursuing truth.

04:09:09.100 These are academics or they're bodybuilders or whatever it is, and they pursue that truth and

04:09:14.440 then they'll run into people who are like really spicy. And to your point earlier about that

04:09:19.740 propaganda, they just have this kind of response that's very, I can't be with these people. These

04:09:24.880 people are like evil Nazis or whatever it is. And that kind of pushes away these truth seekers that 0.95

04:09:32.980 who would otherwise be very good to incorporate into the movement. And so a lot of what I try to

04:09:37.360 do is kind of straddle that middle ground where let me create palatable rebrandings of like our

04:09:45.420 ideology or philosophy. So naturalism is branded as we're pursuing truth, right? Left brain and

04:09:51.840 right brain truth, right? Having that balance is where we actually want to be. So we can be more

04:09:56.680 palatable to academics. We can be more palatable to the people in the space who would join us if

04:10:02.240 they you know weren't kind of confronted by these little bit more spicier uh parts of our space on 0.95

04:10:08.680 on x yeah or sort of anti-social humor that has its space but maybe you know i i don't want to

04:10:15.580 give any names here but i've got stories for days about guys especially in europe who they're

04:10:21.700 nationalists and they have their own little nationalist groups and sometimes they would

04:10:25.300 have a very serious speaker come to visit them and speak at a conference and then this group

04:10:31.300 full of the type of guy we're talking about just completely bomb it's like you get like a serious

04:10:37.160 academic and you're telling like rick and morty porn jokes like just very abrasive humor like you

04:10:43.380 don't know how to engage with this type of mind and even when i look at guys like uh just we

04:10:49.740 talked before e michael jones you know when i spoke to him he's a serious guy you know he's a

04:10:54.800 very serious guy and it's it's interesting seeing guys like him or others who are like who just find

04:11:01.160 themselves in the space like they're very popular with meme people and 4chan people

04:11:05.460 and so you know i was going to mention this so during my interview i got a question from one

04:11:11.880 of our listeners just to say the word sneed you know what sneed is right uh i'm not familiar with

04:11:18.100 that term but i'm not going to ask you to define it on the podcast but that's the thing like he

04:11:23.340 said steve's like well what's sneed what is that and he got his his assistant he's like who's

04:11:28.400 listening in he's like look up sneed and it was just like the fact that this a man who's published

04:11:34.560 900 books and has said such a storied academic career he said with a little chunk of coal like 0.98

04:11:41.900 me saying oh have you heard about sneed like fuck me right the fact is that a lot of these guys are 0.96

04:11:48.200 in this space surrounded by people like us and i i don't want to make them feel like they made a 0.95

04:11:52.640 mistake you know um and i think there and this is something we talk about a lot and there's a debate

04:11:58.820 going on about whether we should like hide our true feelings or stuff but i always come back to

04:12:06.020 a lot of the the policy that we have on the show and something i've said before is i don't discuss

04:12:11.720 anything on the show as kooky and extreme as it may be that i wouldn't discuss with my friends

04:12:16.520 or family and i often have um and also even though i am anonymous i assume one day we will

04:12:23.700 be doxed i assume one day i will have my face and name tied to these sound bites and i stand by

04:12:30.280 everything i said you know i and i know and i say it assuming that i'll be doxed like is this the

04:12:36.400 best way if this was played in court is this the best terminology i could be using sometimes maybe

04:12:43.420 we go a bit overboard but i have cut stuff out of the show before um but i always keep that in

04:12:48.620 mind like is this you know and something for my audience our show is a very varied and diverse

04:12:55.900 audience but that might not be the way i would explain it even to you right now or to i always

04:13:01.540 say this goes back to what you had said before about the ability to explain ideas i say if i

04:13:05.800 can explain this idea to my mom then i understand it and that's not a mark against my mom you know 0.56

04:13:11.400 But if anyone can speak about their ideas to their parents without going off on some schizo sounding, aggressive, abrasive rant, then I think you understand it. 0.91

04:13:25.520 And this kind of cuts the core of what I think we were going to talk about. 1.00

04:13:28.260 Just I do actually need to get going soon, however.

04:13:31.440 Yeah, I was just about to say, I mean, I could go for multiple hours, but you also have a family and probably I will get going soon.

04:13:37.600 But there's a through line of this episode, which is that tailoring the message to different audiences, and this isn't necessarily just a marketing guy sort of thing, but I do approach it like that, that not every idea works for all audiences, all listeners.

04:13:56.180 You know, but I, I'm convinced we can take even the more extreme ideas on our side and craft them so that my mom, your mom, or whatever academic can hear them, hear them from a podium and say, that's a good idea. I've never heard it explained like that before. And I would encourage people on our side, like, don't get oversold. You know, we call ourselves like schizos, but you're not. These are realistic. These are essential ideas.

04:14:22.440 remember we use words like vitalism we use all these other words but the ideas we're talking

04:14:27.420 about are essential we think they're true we we're so convinced that they're true that we're willing 0.99

04:14:33.940 to live on the margins because of it people lose their jobs they don't talk to their fucking 0.56

04:14:39.380 families anymore because they wanted to decide stand on the side of truth right so that like 0.93

04:14:45.140 realize that that's important um yeah sure no and then realize that if you believe that's true

04:14:52.820 you can express that to other people it doesn't always need to be ugly sometimes it should be 0.95

04:14:58.520 sometimes it's funny i'm not saying don't tell jokes like i'm i'm a shit post i come from this 0.96

04:15:04.340 from a shit posters pathway so for me the idea of engaging with twitter in any way that wasn't 0.96

04:15:12.440 just insane and making people upset was completely forward to me i've changed since then i actually 0.91

04:15:17.720 take twitter a bit more seriously now but i spent years getting banned from twitter just because i

04:15:22.360 liked making people mad but you know that kind of went away you know i mean i'm like that old

04:15:28.980 internet sort of guy i'm like i thought we were just using this for trolling but now i've changed

04:15:34.420 a bit and there's there's ways to engage in this to make yourself not just a troll no i'm evidence

04:15:41.540 of that. Yeah, no. And to kind of, as we're starting to wrap up here to kind of jump off

04:15:46.500 what you're saying, this was actually something that you had brought up in one of the podcasts

04:15:50.440 that I was listening to of yours earlier. And you said, I don't really like the idea of

04:15:55.780 stuffing each generation into a certain box. And I actually wanted to bring up a little bit

04:16:01.740 of a counterpoint, which I think you probably understand this nuance, but I think it'd be fun

04:16:05.640 to kind of articulate here, which is, I think that the reason that memes are so powerful is

04:16:13.000 you're basically leveraging, like if I make an analogy when I explain something, right? Like I

04:16:18.520 explained, you know, conveying ideas, the difference of the difficulty of communication

04:16:23.880 by way of a musical analogy, right? It's like, I can't convey a song in all of its complexity

04:16:29.460 just by talking about it. And so that elicits a very clear picture. You understand,

04:16:35.640 oh yeah, it is really hard to do that. I think of memes and other things like that,

04:16:40.580 they're like cultural analogies. It's like, oh, we both watched the Marvel movies. So if I throw

04:16:46.040 up a Marvel meme, one of the older, better ones, you'll get it. Or at least it bumped around on

04:16:51.920 the internet that most people already know what it means. So you can overlay your own meaning on

04:16:57.800 top of that analogy and it conveys those ideas very effectively, very efficiently.

04:17:01.940 And I think similarly, each generation kind of lived through certain memes, right? Certain cultural memes. And so when you're communicating to them, you kind of have to leverage that knowledge level, right? That shared experience that they have.

04:17:15.780 Um, and so I, I, I agree that like, we, we don't want to over box certain generations,

04:17:21.660 but also understanding like we can leverage that generation shared experiences to better

04:17:27.320 communicate.

04:17:28.060 And so I think this is a good kind of question to kind of throw your way as we're looking

04:17:31.820 to wrap up here is, you know, how do you see us, you know, how, how do you see this going?

04:17:37.400 Cause I think Stormy, I said, Hey, you know, what questions should I ask dimes as we, as

04:17:41.260 we have this podcast and he was kind of like KPIs on, on progress and, and success of the

04:17:46.880 movement. And I, I obviously think, you know, communication of the, these ideas is one of the

04:17:51.200 core ways to do that. And so if you just give a little bit of a, um, illustration to kind of how

04:17:57.460 you see the movement going from here, what, how do you, you know, see communicating with these

04:18:01.720 different generations and finding that success? There's a lot to go on there. So I don't want to

04:18:07.480 bury the lead on this with the kpi thing uh this goes back to sort of the short-term missions we

04:18:12.540 were talking about um send the kpis i got one um and a good friend of mine by the name of paul

04:18:18.200 fahrenheit uh who if you don't know him you'd probably like talking to him he's with that old

04:18:22.800 glory club if you've ever heard of that um but uh he he i had made a comment that he was trying to

04:18:31.320 test where i said any five a group of five people could take down any ngo a non-government

04:18:38.700 organization if i take down i don't mean in any terroristic way i mean take it down the same way

04:18:44.500 our careers or our organizations get taken down by email campaigns and whatnot um and the reason

04:18:50.460 i said this is because in my career i'd spent some time working with ngos and i could see ngos from

04:18:55.580 the inside and i saw how they operated i saw how weak they were and confused they were how little

04:19:00.580 data oftentimes they're working on that they're not these impenetrable organizations that at

04:19:05.800 five driven individuals could start a campaign to get them get their funding cut uh ruin their

04:19:13.560 image you know send emails send phone calls turn journalists and do what you know antifa does to 0.54

04:19:20.160 all these anti-hate organizations do against us so i would say that's a kpi prove me wrong um let's

04:19:27.160 get five guys together let's you know what's happening like you know keith woods you know

04:19:30.880 what your feelings on him are but this campaign against the adl you know people will say well

04:19:36.080 does that does that that solve the entire problem no that solves this one mission the mission here

04:19:42.480 is take down the adl that's a measurable mission and once if he succeeds he either succeeds or he

04:19:48.500 fails or him and it's not just him obviously but that's a a measurable mission and then we can

04:19:54.480 replicate that across time how many people did it take to do that how long did it take to do that

04:19:59.740 uh the one example that paul fahrenheit was bringing to the table was um it was it was some

04:20:05.700 kind of um a statue that was taken down at his school and they were trying to figure out if they

04:20:10.140 could fight that anyway there's oh it was the robert e lee statue or or was it no it was his

04:20:15.120 horse right i think it was his horse or his yeah they were destroyed the gravestone i was actually

04:20:19.380 in that space when they were talking about that yeah real quick real quick i just wanted to throw

04:20:23.060 out there. Same thing with Rufo and taking down, you know, the Harvard president. I think a lot of

04:20:29.240 people are looking at that the wrong way. They're saying, oh, this isn't enough. This isn't really

04:20:32.560 going to move the needle. It's like, this is a huge milestone, right? This is very impressive

04:20:36.280 and this is good work. And we should, instead of like looking at all the ways that we, you know,

04:20:40.000 it could have been better, it didn't go exactly as planned. Like you should just be happy,

04:20:43.780 celebrate and kind of try to replicate it. In startup language, I'm sure you're familiar

04:20:47.820 with the concept of minimum viable product yeah it's um for people the folks at home who don't

04:20:53.120 know it's it's it's very easy for startup founders to create this big humongous complicated company

04:20:59.600 when in fact they need the most stripped down version of that company to test it to test your

04:21:04.560 assumptions uh the story there was that twitter originally was this huge bloated platform that

04:21:10.480 the the 140 character status update was like one percent of it and then over time that got hacked

04:21:16.640 away until the one thing that actually worked remained. Now, what you want to do is invert

04:21:22.440 that. Find the most stripped down version of your idea and test your assumptions. And we do this

04:21:26.540 with A-B testing and marketing as well. There's lots of different ways, but you need to test as

04:21:31.420 quickly and with as much agility as possible. So the KPIs are built around that. What is a thing

04:21:37.840 that you and three to five people can do within, let's say, six months? Let's set that as a time

04:21:44.240 for you. It has to be realistic and it can't be cost intensive. Maybe it's just, and this is where

04:21:49.160 we get to another issue, which is you got to find five guys that you could work with. And that's a

04:21:54.160 different avenue entirely. That's a different discussion, but I think that's something we're

04:21:58.000 also working on. I think it's more important. One problem that we get into on the right is we

04:22:03.000 stand as individuals trying to join an ideology. What most guys need is a crew of five guys,

04:22:08.880 five guys that they can do projects with. Maybe that's working out. Maybe that's going on hikes,

04:22:13.200 whatever it might be you could also bring down an ngo if you had enough now the kpi the kpis will

04:22:19.620 obviously evolve and optimize but i think five guys could set a goal of taking down a mid-sized 0.62

04:22:25.160 ngo not just anyone you don't need to take down a fucking charity but an ngo that is you know 0.65

04:22:30.760 pushing you know migrants into italy something like that you know think of one i bet you can 0.98

04:22:37.480 think of a few and these are not invincible and i think that will be one kpi and there was another 0.76

04:22:43.740 question you had about generations um i might come back yeah how do you how do you market and

04:22:49.580 how do you kind of convey these messages because i think you know this is great we're always theory

04:22:54.580 selling you know on the fringe and developing these new ideas how do we spread these how do

04:22:58.380 we disseminate these more broadly yeah let me just make sure that i'm clear on my point um what you

04:23:03.620 referring to um was me speaking with my co-host judas and i was saying that you know the idea of

04:23:11.160 um segmenting and demarcating generations like boomers gen x millennials seems to be a fairly

04:23:18.620 recent phenomena you know it goes back to i think like the silent generation and then it's just

04:23:23.340 the jungles of time before that and it seems like a modern thing where we like the boomers are this

04:23:28.980 one identity and i didn't like the way that we were bookending these generations as teams that

04:23:35.480 were pitted against each other i didn't like how millennials were always against boomers and like

04:23:40.160 boomers always against millennials as if we weren't just links in the same chain however

04:23:44.760 and my co-host correctly pushed back he's like well the reason we we need something we need

04:23:50.200 something right to demarcate that there are unique and distinct historical pressures that

04:23:56.140 like what is a boomer well a boomer went through a very specific period of time

04:24:00.120 of prosperity in america maybe that window of time is not viewable through other generations so

04:24:06.620 that means that they are distinct in a certain way i can see i understand that obviously i just

04:24:12.120 don't like where we're like anti-boomer you know we're as if they're a different race entirely

04:24:17.980 that's so my i was from the position of how can these generations communicate and i'll say this

04:24:23.540 i would say this to people because there is a time when they will say the same thing about

04:24:29.280 millennials and i don't want to be in the boomer position and i gave people a couple ideas on how 0.96

04:24:33.620 that'll happen here's one for you get ready for the day when gen alpha starts shitting on millennials

04:24:39.240 because we turned the crypto space into a circus we're going to be answering for that for a long

04:24:45.640 time here's another thing that gen whether you think it's fair or not whether we have all kinds 0.98

04:24:50.200 of reasons why when we did crypto it was insane and retarded and full of grifters it's almost 0.97

04:24:56.260 entirely grift right now and they'll say why the fuck did you guys do that just like we say to the 0.98

04:25:01.080 boomers with real estate right another thing they'll say about us that might not seem fair is 0.92

04:25:05.540 that we didn't do covid properly and that we the millennials who have kids that came up in covid

04:25:11.980 they didn't homeschool them properly when they need to so now they're all developmentally just

04:25:15.940 this uh delayed so get ready for their developmental delay meant to be blamed on

04:25:21.200 you as a generation that's what the boomers feel so i'm trying to find some commonality

04:25:25.280 i see that coming there is there a reason we need to be have such animosity between generations

04:25:31.320 because even now they're like oh boomers aren't the real bad guys the real bad guys are gen x

04:25:36.180 i don't i want to exit that conversation entirely because it's about survival now which isn't to say

04:25:42.640 that there's not complaints about boomers not to say that the boomer's perfect sure and and i like

04:25:49.200 story i think stormy would appreciate that take he always jokingly says he's uh radicalizing the

04:25:54.540 boomer weapon um but uh yeah like i i agree like how how do you kind of bring those teams together

04:26:01.080 you're already seeing with like bill bill ackman right who's now kind of been been radicalized by

04:26:05.900 the timeline around dei stuff uh and you know he's mobilizing his fortune to like go after like

04:26:11.480 mit a bunch of these other like places it's crazy to see and i and i think we are going to see um

04:26:19.080 more of these people especially the wealthy people because i think a lot of their kids

04:26:23.280 got radicalized there's a lot of wealthy people who have like kids who are now like trans and

04:26:29.120 dealing with all of that and like they're mortified and they're like i i need to push

04:26:34.000 push back against this and so i think this is a big part of what i what i'm trying to do and i

04:26:39.260 mentioned with the academic earlier, Seeking Truth, is we need to create a space where we're

04:26:44.780 accepting the converts, we're accepting the allies coming in, and especially as you're kind of

04:26:49.460 talking about this across the generational lines. Yeah. And also, this comes back to that

04:26:54.500 fundamental point of you have to like people. Do you hate, do you just hate old people?

04:27:00.340 Do you just hate, is your heart full of hate? Is there a pathway for the boomer to admit that 0.99

04:27:06.300 they were wrong? You know, is there a pathway for people to generally say I was wrong about

04:27:11.700 something? Tell me more. Are we always casting them aside? You know, maybe I'm naive. Maybe I'm

04:27:17.700 just a big sweater boy, cutie, big softie with a big heart. But I I'm interested in finding new

04:27:24.460 pathways of communication, especially for a generation that at present holds the vast majority 0.91

04:27:29.840 of the capital. And I'm interested in a survival plan going forward. You know, there was just to

04:27:35.560 make it real just to distribute the black pills you know there are stories breaking on twitter

04:27:41.060 right now from the inside of the airline industry saying that a lot of the diversity hires are

04:27:46.960 there's a thin veneer of boomer competence keeping this whole a thin membrane keeping this whole 0.61

04:27:52.440 thing together and once the boomers retire this thing might you know there's redundancies and 0.85

04:27:57.980 systems in place but you know there is a competency crisis and maybe you know my co-host made a good 1.00

04:28:04.940 point, he said, you know, if boomers aren't passing the torch, maybe we need to be a bit more

04:28:09.060 proactive about grabbing the torch, not in a hateful or aggressive way. But, you know, this is also a

04:28:15.040 Paul Fahrenheit and others I talked to talk about, which is like, there are places where boomers are 0.72

04:28:20.060 and maybe they don't know how to pass the torch. Maybe they're waiting for young people to go into 0.96

04:28:24.820 these lodges, go into these fraternal organizations and say, you know, I'm I'm here, you know, there's 0.90

04:28:30.920 things to do and maybe we can complain that maybe the boomers aren't being proactive enough 0.79

04:28:35.360 of a passing torch i'll hear that case made but however it comes down to survival i don't really 0.99

04:28:41.100 give a shit anymore i don't want the fucking airplanes falling out of the sky yeah yeah stop 0.98

04:28:46.120 complaining that like you know they're not handing you the torch like you know if you know go find 1.00

04:28:52.080 the solution which is like take action yourself this is this is a big thing when i think of tech

04:28:56.440 i'm a big proponent of managing up right a lot of times if there's a problem in tech it's because

04:29:02.180 the goal wasn't clearly defined and yeah you can put that at the feet of your manager but also

04:29:07.280 like you can do the work to say okay let's define this goal together like i want to understand what

04:29:12.020 you really want right and you do that work when i had the podcast with stormy we talked at long

04:29:16.760 form about finance it was like a five-hour podcast but one of the points that he makes near the end

04:29:21.160 of the podcast is like look all these boomers to your point have a lot of money uh they they're

04:29:25.640 you're generally pretty confident. They've built businesses. They have a lot of success.

04:29:29.140 They're looking to pass that on. A lot of boomer kids are, or the kids of the boomers are not going

04:29:34.240 to be interested in inheriting their, their, uh, their parents' businesses, especially if they're

04:29:40.020 like trades jobs or something like that. And so there's this huge opportunity for an ons if they

04:29:44.420 want, you know, like go find a boomer that runs a business and talk to them about like their book

04:29:49.500 of clients. And, you know, if they're not passing that on to someone, that is a huge opportunity.

04:29:53.720 And so I agree with this is that sounds like to me, that sounds like a KPI. That sounds like the beginning of a firm where it said, let's get a lot of these guys together. Let's attack this problem in the short term. See if we can make a case for, you know, a conglomerate to maybe take over these businesses. Say we represent the young generation where the young whippersnappers. There's a way to do this.

04:30:18.520 you know, the way I'm explaining it right now might sound reductive. But once you have the

04:30:22.760 strategy, we know where the money is, money is over there. I've identified the problem. That is

04:30:28.240 the birth of a strategy. That's the birth of a measurable strategy. And the thing about KPIs in

04:30:33.060 the sense is they evolve and optimize as well. But you need to get started, you know, and it's

04:30:39.340 that the more we talk about it, like you and me like this, these conversations can be happening

04:30:43.580 anywhere i bet you can identify where the money is and how to get it and it doesn't involve red

04:30:49.140 pilling it doesn't involve starting another podcast by the way no one's starting a podcast

04:30:54.080 there's enough just listen to blood satellite just listen to meta prime i don't want to hear

04:30:58.980 about any more podcasts coming out work with the ones you got yeah yeah and that's a big thing too

04:31:04.880 if you're going to get involved in the parallel movement i tell people like scout it out first

04:31:08.200 right we want to biodiversity i use biodiversity of strategy um but yeah you you know instead of

04:31:14.080 trying to create like a bunch of copies of the same strategy let's try to augment the ones that

04:31:17.700 we have um so as we're kind of driving towards the end here uh you know i wanted to to give you

04:31:23.440 a chance a little bit to kind of promote uh your content to to listeners i did i did check out your

04:31:27.860 website uh that you have linked that was that was really cool i liked the uh the video that you have

04:31:32.740 on there it's very like uh tongue-in-cheek um but you know i assume if you you've already talked

04:31:38.700 about like kpis before it sounds like and what to move forward yeah like point people to to some of

04:31:44.440 the the good content out there that they can find and some of the platforms they can find you on

04:31:48.100 yeah check out bloodsatellite.ca that's the hub where you can find anything show related

04:31:53.940 um if you remember one website remember that uh we also have a storefront called good suffer

04:32:00.160 That's GoodSuffer.com.

04:32:02.240 That's where we sell merchandise related to the show.

04:32:05.340 We also have partnerships with a number of other creators in our space, including Jay Burden, the Sunflower Society, the Z-Man, the Restoration Bureau, which you might be familiar with.

04:32:16.940 People have probably seen these designs out there.

04:32:20.360 But you can buy prints.

04:32:21.380 You can buy merchandise for a lot of these content creators we partnered with.

04:32:24.740 They get 100% of the proceeds, 100% of the profits, rather, after production.

04:32:28.320 and then the vanguardist journal if you like the show if you listen to the show and you like it

04:32:33.800 the vanguardist journal.com that's where i publish long form pieces related to some of the topics

04:32:40.040 that we talk about on the show that like we discuss or to treat them a bit more seriously

04:32:44.640 because blood satellite it's a fun show you'll love listening to it it can be irreverent it's

04:32:49.820 very funny very you know extreme in some places we go we go off the handle on some topics but the

04:32:56.040 vanguard's journal is like let's take these very big topics and put our best face forward and so

04:33:01.660 we spend a lot of time on those three things so let's highlight good suffer and vanguard's journal

04:33:06.560 and with that you know you can find all the other affiliated links through there but that's it and

04:33:13.120 um i guess it can we me and meta prime you could find me on twitter chatting with this guy

04:33:18.420 yeah now now we've got you in uh in the chat group too uh we got some interesting eclectic

04:33:24.400 people there. And that's a big part of what I'm trying to do is I am really trying to build this

04:33:28.980 parallel movement. I've gone out West and I've met a bunch of people. People kind of know I'm

04:33:34.460 on the East Coast. I kind of bump around here. And we've got some good mutuals who live up North

04:33:42.180 I might be going to visit soon. But our goal is really like that next step is not hiding from our

04:33:49.780 friends anymore trying to build stuff trying to you know set those kpis move things forward and so 0.65

04:33:54.500 yeah especially now more than ever because there's a lot of people from the mainstream these people

04:34:00.560 these friends and family they're lost as well you know they're starting to see people start to get

04:34:05.580 tired of a lot of these narratives the people are just generally just give i'm not like a necessarily

04:34:11.120 a pro trump guy but i think a lot of people are tired of like round two of trump hysteria like 0.84

04:34:17.260 doing this shit again the exact same thing you're seeing like people just giving up on dei like they 0.95

04:34:23.560 gave up on covid remember that they were just said okay we're we're just done and then we don't talk 0.99

04:34:28.980 about it anymore yeah but there's fertile ground there for these people there's a lot of people

04:34:34.200 who are passionate that are disillusioned that i think are are ripe to maybe introduce some new

04:34:39.940 ideas to more than before um and that's that's exciting just like you see like liberals pushing

04:34:46.200 back against mass migration the idea of uh replacement migration in the zeitgeist that was

04:34:53.500 we won a lot of battles a lot of our narratives are mainstream narratives that we never would

04:35:00.040 have thought would be mainstream have been mainstream okay that's good that's energy

04:35:04.680 that's momentum but we weren't a lot of us weren't ready for that a lot of us weren't ready

04:35:09.900 for like tucker carlson to be saying our stuff so like well what do we do now what there's

04:35:15.840 something we can do, but we didn't plan ahead for that. But now 2024 feels exciting to me.

04:35:22.460 And I think it feels exciting to others for that reason as well.

04:35:25.580 I agree. I think we got to lean into the energy. There's a lot of opportunity. And again, this is

04:35:30.580 what I'm trying to do with my show too, is try to focus on what is that middle ground that's going

04:35:38.140 to allow that transition from people waking up from the mainstream delusion, getting fed up.

04:35:43.600 even if they're late to the party, right? Like one of the things that I hate in the space is

04:35:48.620 people who are like, well, you know, we're not going to save those people. They're, they're bad

04:35:52.080 people or, you know, like there's no forgiveness or whatever. And it's like, yeah, sure. Like

04:35:55.640 I'm not going to forgive, you know, the execs over at Pfizer, you know, there's a bunch of,

04:36:00.440 you know, there's a lot of people who are unforgivable, but you know, when it comes

04:36:04.560 to the average person, like I think we, you know, we, we need to be building those, those roads

04:36:08.360 across and that's how we went long term so remember allow these people how much of a true believer

04:36:15.020 were they ever really you know like do we need more enemies do we need more do you like the

04:36:21.640 people are you are we here because we're on the side of vitality are we here because we're on the

04:36:26.340 side of life are we here because we are proposing a better solution you know i'm not just here to

04:36:32.380 dole out punishment i get that that wears you out you lose your soul doing that now there's a few

04:36:37.740 people but you know a few a few examples we made but there because there's always going to be evil

04:36:43.000 people out there but like what do you want to like kill half of america that's no that's no 0.94

04:36:48.320 fucking solution yeah i mean that was what the first article that i wrote was live not in 0.97

04:36:53.660 opposition to evil but pursuit of good right and i think that's the thing to me is like we need to 0.98

04:36:58.300 celebrate that vitalism celebrate those positive things focus on your self-improvement and then

04:37:03.020 when you go out into the world you know i do think that there's definitely a place for like taking

04:37:07.000 down the bad ngos and and fighting the good fight but i think a lot of us um you know like the best

04:37:12.840 things we can be doing is you know supporting podcasts by buying merch or you know like getting

04:37:17.900 out there yeah you know being in the community and uh you know doing some volunteering or something

04:37:23.220 like that like writing content you think is going to be valuable uh the other thing too is there's

04:37:27.940 a lot of people um one of the other things is like mental health right in our community it's it's not

04:37:32.880 always the easiest and so just reaching out just being friendly being a you know a willing like

04:37:37.840 you know ear to just you know all the when i first got on twitter i was like hanging out with a bunch

04:37:42.700 of like you know sub hundred follower accounts and we were all just really friendly with each

04:37:47.300 other and i think i think that goes a long way it reminds me of that meme i'm gonna butcher and

04:37:51.360 paraphrasing it but it was a guy writing a tweet he was saying like sending a tweet hoping that a

04:37:56.600 hot girl responds saying man i'm feeling down right now and the guy responds is like hitler

04:38:02.300 rapist groiper and it's like hey man how you doing i'm here to talk

04:38:06.220 yeah oh it's it's it's the friends you know it's there's a reason the apu meme is just so prolific

04:38:13.600 i think that's what people were looking for is like world's world's crazy we're living in

04:38:18.020 clown world but you know we have each other uh and i think that that goes a long way so yeah

04:38:23.340 but i just want to say this has been an amazing talk i had a really great time talking to you

04:38:27.620 any other time you want to have me on i'd love to come back on yeah i feel like you know we only

04:38:32.420 scratched the surface we we didn't even get spicy this one's going you know in front of the paywall

04:38:36.460 so uh yeah i did my job it's so it's so easy to get spite the older you get this is what we do

04:38:41.660 what got even even white white guys you get a taste for spice as you get older you know you

04:38:47.040 start putting more cayenne pepper on things so spice is the only thing that registers for me

04:38:51.360 anymore so it's very good that i didn't go down that road this time well i think i think there

04:38:56.440 is a lot of fertile ground to cover that you know you don't have to get spicy but but trust me uh

04:39:01.720 yeah my my spice tolerance has uh it's only gotten uh you know higher as i've gotten older so

04:39:07.400 maybe we'll do one behind the paywall you'll find out in the in the meta chat uh just how spicy we

04:39:12.380 can get so so so many guys who are just like i'm so spicy i'm at like dune levels of stuff like

04:39:18.320 yeah so we should kill ai and have a galactic jihad it's like that's not even fed posting that's

04:39:23.480 just it's so up there they don't know what to make of it yeah i say like you kind of come full circle 1.00

04:39:29.020 right it's like you get crazy you go down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole and then like you

04:39:33.340 realize actually you know you should start a family and have a kid and like you know get a

04:39:38.460 house and like mow your lawn and you know like that's what you should be doing kind of you know 0.93

04:39:43.200 guess what fbi the earth isn't flat it's a fucking triangle what now 0.97

04:39:47.620 yeah so it's a rhombus it's uh yeah yeah it's hollow and inside out arrest me uh that's that's 0.96

04:39:55.500 the problem is like now it's become meta meta meta you know it's like you just have these like

04:39:59.240 you know higher levels uh so you know like i've met some of the e-girls in person as well and uh

04:40:05.620 they're really funny because like they get like ridiculous and aggressive on the timeline they're 0.90

04:40:10.420 just like kind of normal people and they're just like this is just so stupid the attention stuff 0.97

04:40:14.480 i'm just like i know i'm playing this game and i'm just trying to do you know it's it's just so

04:40:19.280 like you can't say the things directly but then the e guys show up and they're exactly the same

04:40:26.480 no billions must die i said it i meant it i meant it because i said well yeah there's a lot of

04:40:32.980 larpers in our space there's a lot of people who you know that they would be larping whatever is

04:40:38.780 the thing but they just kind of found their way into the space and so you've got to be able to

04:40:42.360 separate those people but you know look i'll i'll take people larping the right ideas over people

04:40:46.640 the e guys show up no i have hand tattoos of hyperborea what did you think this was

04:40:54.640 it's like all right sparky watch me like right in the end zone start getting

04:41:01.220 yeah what i'll do this is one of the things that i'll do is i only have an intro and an

04:41:08.580 outro song and i can just ramp the outro song so it's just it's too hard you can't quite hear what

04:41:14.180 we're talking about as it as it fades off um but awesome yeah this was great i'll let you get some

04:41:20.020 sleep i really appreciate you coming on uh yeah i feel like it was faded you know as stormy's like

04:41:24.740 you guys gotta talk fruit set us up prudentialist set us up and yeah amazing conversation so hopefully

04:41:30.060 we'll we'll have some more time to connect in the future and you know who knows maybe i'll make a

04:41:35.180 trip up to the great white north but uh until then i want to really appreciate you taking the

04:41:39.420 time i know you're you're a busy guy and you got a lot going on so uh yeah very excited to just

04:41:44.260 keep seeing you on the cyberspace and thanks everyone for listening i always like to wrap up

04:41:48.680 with a it was never over and uh we have never been more back so we'll see you on the next episode of

04:41:54.000 Let it gas.

04:41:55.420 Hey baby, I hear the blues are calling

04:41:57.560 Toss salads and scrambled eggs

04:42:00.460 And maybe I seem a bit confused

04:42:05.040 Yeah, maybe, but I got you pegs

04:42:07.760 Ha ha ha ha

04:42:09.140 But I don't know what to do

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