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00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.720 blood satellite i was just reading something that soggy socks had submitted and it's a very

00:00:23.700 good question that never occurred to me before ah yes how can chinese people see on flat earth

00:00:30.220 you should be able to answer this fuck i'm trying to rise one of these ones i'm trying to

00:00:41.220 i there's a joke in there but i can't quite put it together something about like flat eyes flat

00:00:48.140 ass flat earth flat well just the eyes you don't need to bring ass you don't gotta well you could

00:00:53.440 though i mean we're trying we're looking at patterns here he's fiending to bring a dumper

00:00:58.100 into this look at him flat iq curve because of government juicing the numbers you can say on

00:01:04.320 in the flat earth kingdom the round-ass man is king it's it's also that the chinese the problem

00:01:13.820 everyone talks about offensive realism neorealism the world island all that shit

00:01:19.580 but the real problem has been that china doesn't know it's on a planet

00:01:24.780 they just don't they don't know where they are they don't know what's going on evolved for flat

00:01:33.360 earth it's crazy when you talk to a chinese guy like he just he thinks he's in space he doesn't

00:01:39.280 know what the fuck's going he's in the minotaur's maze brother hey guys did you miss us

00:01:50.200 every time we take a week off a comeback full of just just piss piss blood blood yep overblooded

00:02:01.000 while we were gone i had a viral moment did you hear yes i saw that yep congrats i love every

00:02:08.860 time something i say gets big goes wide and it's just the dumbest shit it's the shit

00:02:14.680 it's always people mad at you too it's it's never like wow dimes what a great point it's always like

00:02:21.160 somebody kill this guy i got so many death threats from women which they're the best people to give

00:02:27.300 death threats because they're not good at it yeah a death threat woman when it's like her describing

00:02:32.300 how to put together a fucking engine she's like yeah how about i just i just put you up on blocks

00:02:38.360 what do you mean did you hear that what do you think that means in regards to fuel injection

00:02:43.480 fucking and i did in the best way possible every time i typed anything that's gone big i type it

00:02:50.960 on my computer because i only have it on my desktop and then i walk away all day and i live

00:02:55.500 my life and i come back and it's 50 000 comments saying that somebody killed this guy

00:03:01.740 will somebody kill this man so let me give you some context for people who didn't

00:03:08.780 don't know what i'm talking about because why would you um there was it's weird describing

00:03:14.580 this because it's a response embedded within response embedded with response so the original

00:03:20.660 tweet says incels and men haters are two sides of the same coin and i'm sick of seeing tweets from

00:03:27.360 both you know a bit of yin and yang going on here then this lady named tilby she says i hope this

00:03:35.440 helps and posts a screenshot of another tweet says when women say i hate men they mean it in the

00:03:42.020 quote stop hurting me and my sisters kind of way not the i want to rape murder and oppress you way

00:03:49.040 you know the way men hate women so you start off calling all men rapists which you know we might

00:03:55.820 agree amongst ourselves, but women aren't supposed

00:03:57.820 to know that.

00:03:59.260 If they don't know the truth

00:04:01.820 but they stumble upon the truth, that is a lie.

00:04:04.440 Accidental truth is still a lie.

00:04:07.220 So I

00:04:07.860 just responded, literally the

00:04:09.700 only reason women don't rape men

00:04:11.800 is because they can't. It has to

00:04:13.820 do with your weakness more so

00:04:15.560 than your soul or intent.

00:04:18.080 And I just wrote this,

00:04:19.640 hit send, walked out the door,

00:04:21.960 went to Upper Canada Village with my

00:04:23.780 family, which

00:04:25.400 If people haven't been there, it is beautiful.

00:04:29.280 Oh, man.

00:04:29.840 I didn't know what it was.

00:04:32.100 My wife gets us tickets.

00:04:33.740 I'm walking in there with the family.

00:04:35.900 I'm in the Wild West.

00:04:38.500 I'm walking in there.

00:04:39.580 There's old churches.

00:04:41.060 There's log cabins.

00:04:43.100 There's a sawmill.

00:04:44.480 And there's old ladies dressed up in trad clothing, knitting wool into other wool.

00:04:52.360 And I'm stoic.

00:04:55.400 i'm balanced inside i'm screaming my wife doesn't really give much of a shit about this i'm as

00:05:01.360 excited as my 16 month old son who is just happy to be running into a shrub

00:05:08.300 but i go to have a wonderful day and i'm riding a tiny train

00:05:14.140 it's different than a real size train you're on a tiny train you're going around you're seeing

00:05:20.600 everything looks you get more of the train to yourself if you think about it it's like

00:05:25.300 you get your it's more of an experience on a tiny train when you're on a tiny train the train per

00:05:30.560 capita that the people can enjoy yeah is so much higher look let me say this if you don't understand

00:05:36.760 per capita you're not going to enjoy tiny train maybe it's just not for you okay maybe you should

00:05:40.680 tune out but for those of us that understand you don't understand per capita man you can't even see

00:05:46.160 trains man you're bleeding that's why when black people they look so scared when they're on the

00:05:54.700 subway they don't know what this is they're just flying they feel like they're flying through the

00:05:59.640 tunnels they're so confused he's doing pull-ups on the bar and the subway and harassing people and

00:06:04.560 you know just knifing chinese guys it's just because he doesn't know he doesn't understand

00:06:08.240 trains but the behavior of black people makes a lot more sense when you realize that they think

00:06:12.860 they've just enabled no clip mode and they're just flying through the world

00:06:17.600 so i said this gets 132 000 views and let's just have a look-see at the types of responses i got

00:06:29.600 i will say i'm going to bury the lead on this and say my favorite type of response

00:06:34.380 was women can rape too you piece of shit

00:06:39.240 don't take this away from us there was like one normal person who who got it but then you know

00:06:46.880 the woman responds me what the fuck you're disgusting someone another woman says ew

00:06:53.240 rape enablist one of them says one says i'm not falling for that hot take that's clearly just

00:06:58.940 someone with a fetish for getting yelled at like yeah all right okay yeah all right and i responded

00:07:05.320 post chromosomes oh yeah it does look like a tranny doesn't yeah here we got lady with a

00:07:13.960 palesina plague mate get help please um and that yeah darth jar jar of course who's this person

00:07:21.220 that's a nice oh a very low follower account with a very meme name the fuck women can rape men it

00:07:27.820 happens all the time guys just don't like to admit it because people either say we're lucky

00:07:32.480 or not believe it so i'm getting the men who were raped who are on my case um also someone says can

00:07:40.240 you prove this what a fucking amateur hour question can you prove it a source how about

00:07:46.020 source is gun in my own mouth what a weird take perhaps we see humans as i don't know humans

00:07:54.220 yeah baby there's only one race the race at the bottom

00:07:57.820 yes they can what are you talking about the feminist of course is that women can rape

00:08:04.420 um bro called i'm sorry i got your there's only one gender i hardly know her i'm sorry

00:08:13.500 it's it's just a wonderful thing that we get to experience

00:08:20.280 and look bro calls not wanting to rape someone a weakness like they i'm noticing that people

00:08:26.860 even with those two sentences i don't like using the term reading comprehension because that's a

00:08:32.000 reddit thing to say but it's like you think i was calling you weak because you don't want to rape i'm

00:08:37.000 like no you you can't physical weakness you physically can't rape you don't have a penis

00:08:41.200 yeah men we can rape the universe if we want to whatever whatever it's like to fall inside of

00:08:49.280 jupiter you can watch videos of what this is like if you were to descend to the core of jupiter what

00:08:55.320 it would be like i could be fucking it the entire way down yeah you can't do that what are you gonna

00:09:00.320 open up your fucking pussy like a parachute and just invite all the plasma in it doesn't work

00:09:05.840 like that you bitch it's an affront to god i can do whatever i want with my penis to anything

00:09:11.820 it'll only hurt me but it is possible sorry i cut you off there i think no i'm just gonna say

00:09:17.960 joking aside that that's kind of the point here right is that you've you've set you've taken the

00:09:24.700 judgment away from rape as a thing we're not talking about whether rape is good as bad let's

00:09:28.820 say rape is terrible rape is bad we don't like rape but the point is is the only people who rape

00:09:33.720 are people who are physically strong enough so we're making there's a separate you're separating

00:09:37.000 the physical strength away from it you're just calling her a weak bitch without even making any

00:09:41.660 comment about rape at all but they can't let go of it they have to keep coming back to the rape

00:09:45.780 thing it's like no i'm just calling you small wristed that's exactly i'm just saying you're

00:09:49.780 weak i'm saying there's no and just to be fair this was not a troll comment i wasn't designed

00:09:55.660 this comment to just piss people off or cause controversy i do believe this i do believe that

00:10:00.800 from what i know you know when i was growing up and we've discussed this before but when i was

00:10:04.260 growing up you know i always liked kids i liked hanging around kids i get kids but you know

00:10:09.700 growing up okay you're a guy you shouldn't be if i was a father i wouldn't want some guy hanging

00:10:13.980 out with my kids so i just kind of put that out of my mind like men are the ones who molest kids

00:10:18.760 of course but then i learned later in life women molest kids all the fucking time yeah and it's

00:10:25.300 just you know their arguments are sounding like oh it's it's not treated seriously whatever but

00:10:30.040 also there's many instances where men where women sexually torture men by cutting off their dicks

00:10:36.240 you know or just there's there doesn't seem to be uh a a different there's there's there's not

00:10:44.400 better people i guess is what i'm saying yeah yeah there's a nuance there to what you're saying

00:10:47.620 because i think when you're you're talking in the context of rape like they they're using rape in

00:10:53.140 the sense of a large angry man who rapes out of anger and hatred and the rape in that point is

00:10:59.800 like a physical sexual assault between two adults right but if we're talking about just sexual

00:11:04.440 assault generally i think it's there it's pretty much evenly split if not biased in favor of women

00:11:11.160 that they are the big civilizational rapists in our society it's just that the amount the types

00:11:16.680 of rape that women do are not the type of rape that we're talking about here and we're essentially

00:11:21.020 saying not only do women rape more overall they'd rape even more than that if they were physically

00:11:25.920 capable of it they're just not but women are like we know even to take sexual assault out of it women

00:11:31.240 are the more physical more open to physically violence and more physically vindictive than men

00:11:37.340 are like we know this whole concept that like men understanding that we're always on the edge of a

00:11:43.600 fist fight that could result in someone's death we tend to not be that violent women are by a huge

00:11:50.000 margin more violent than men they just suck at it yeah let me see here's one just to prove the

00:11:55.680 point this woman said you woke chris benoit yourself i don't know what that means it sounds

00:12:01.960 like a threat i'm looking at this woman her name is beautiful mave she's a support group facilitator

00:12:08.300 like if women whose job is for like emotional support rape counselor

00:12:14.440 fucking trauma specialist saying i hope that happens to you like this this is kind of what

00:12:21.860 i'm saying guys like yeah i was following a lot of this counselor saying i think you should be

00:12:26.440 raped what have you raped i'm like hey by the way i haven't right i have just said why you can't rape

00:12:31.800 and you're saying i wish i could rape you that's all they're saying i'm like um anyway that i don't

00:12:37.940 want to get too much into it i just i was having a whale of a time looking i really um i really

00:12:44.860 upset uh women the global south of gender oh man there's a lot to talk about uh there's somewhat

00:12:59.020 of a through line through love what we're going to discuss some of it's a bit older news but a

00:13:04.380 lot of it just happened around the time of this airing you know we record these a couple days

00:13:09.080 before they go live for everybody else but just recently did you catch this did you catch

00:13:15.280 tucker carlson interviewing martyr maid what no martyr maid what's that oh mart well it's a guy

00:13:22.760 he's a historian basically he's a guy i know this guy uh a lot of us know this guy um he's been

00:13:28.660 around the scene for quite some time in various forms um but he's he went on tucker carlson

00:13:36.580 very popular interview show obviously um i want people to know who you are and i want you to be

00:13:43.200 uh widely recognized as the most important historian in the united states because i think

00:13:47.700 that you are so that's my last compliment for our time together um i know it was excruciating

00:13:52.380 uh tell us some of um the stories we call them stories but historical events that you have taken

00:13:58.640 a really close look at recently so i decided to start with an easy one um i did a 26 hour series

00:14:06.080 on the early history of zionism and the israeli-palestinian conflict

00:14:09.340 and um i would encourage people to watch it but i think the most important part that's kicked off

00:14:21.160 all the controversy right now across the fucking internet is that he is let's say challenging the

00:14:28.020 narrative on world war ii um he was he was uh proposing a bit of a i call it revisionist history

00:14:35.360 only in the sense that this is the stuff that we talk about um he was pushing the narrative that

00:14:40.760 winston churchill was the real bad guy quote unquote bad guy in world war sure which um was

00:14:47.280 the topic of the discussion i had with thomas 777 all those episodes ago it's one of our earlier

00:14:52.840 episodes but we discussed this and so when i hear people saying you know winston churchill

00:14:59.000 is a piece of shit and he's the real villain world you know other people said that like i think pat

00:15:03.400 buchanan has said that there's been other books that have said that i got in trouble with my

00:15:08.000 podcast partner jaco willink one time because he's a new england dutchman who's his family

00:15:14.680 it's near and dear to their dutch but very near and dear to their heart that winston churchill

00:15:19.980 as a hero right well everyone everyone thinks that he really thinks that and i told him that

00:15:24.700 i think and maybe i'm being a little little hyperbolic maybe but i told him maybe trying

00:15:30.480 to provoke him a little bit that i thought churchill was the chief villain of the second world

00:15:33.980 war even the people who respect him as a leader i think he can't deny that he was at least as a man

00:15:40.680 an absolute degenerate lousy piece of shit who was hated by most people who knew him

00:15:44.940 so without even talking about the war he was an awful guy so yeah well exactly and if you look

00:15:51.500 online and you can check you know many news outlets like they're saying tucker carlson is

00:15:58.060 trying to sink his own career there's like it's it's the journalist race you know it's the types

00:16:03.360 of people you would imagine saying this who would get upset about challenging world war ii um but

00:16:08.640 you know i'm looking to hear like dr eli david now they're saying the greatest leader ever the

00:16:13.780 entire western civilization owes its survival to this man um you know drew pavlu who's like this

00:16:22.380 fucking like brown communist uh anti-totalitarian left guy says church i love this like the same

00:16:32.480 software update went out to all these people and it sounds like something that we would parody but

00:16:38.140 it just says churchill was the good guy and hitler was the bad guy that's like that's all they're

00:16:44.100 saying it's like um i don't know who needs to know this but hitler was the bad guy and he was a really

00:16:50.560 really really bad guy and he says here only the most deranged and evil cunts on earth think

00:16:57.120 differently like you're in you're a deranged evil cunt if you just don't like winston churchill

00:17:01.380 totally context and information free just give us your your full-throated moral judgment without

00:17:07.340 even bothering to tell us why.

00:17:11.940 I'm looking at Michael Sabalik.

00:17:14.760 This is a guy, a podcast race guy.

00:17:18.080 To be clear, because this seems complicated to some,

00:17:20.680 he shows a picture of Churchill, good guy.

00:17:23.700 Picture of Hitler, bad guy.

00:17:26.240 Are you serious?

00:17:26.900 Yeah.

00:17:27.300 You're not making a joke.

00:17:28.420 Somebody actually posted that?

00:17:29.460 Yeah, yeah.

00:17:29.740 I'm seeing Visigrad 24, which is a news affairs site,

00:17:36.600 1.1 million followers doing the bad guy good guy thing like to the point where like okay this is

00:17:43.360 your meme this you're trying to make this a thing but that is what we make fun of you for

00:17:49.060 you know i mean like i don't know like when i see things like this does this work on people

00:17:55.160 i know this works on journalists i know this works on people whose job it is to give a shit

00:18:00.540 about this stuff but i'm like does this work on our parents our friends the guy doing the roofing

00:18:05.780 like the good guy bad guy marvel thing it's like uh i mean the good guy bad guy thing is an edge

00:18:11.120 case of like what colbert does like it's um you simplify it to the point that it's mockery and

00:18:18.280 then the mockery discredits the other person's position without really having to talk about it

00:18:22.040 in any detail so but it's funny the reason it's an interesting edge case is because the mockery

00:18:28.160 is just reduction to the point where you have become the like pastiche you've become the actual

00:18:35.100 thing that we said you are which is like a light switch brain moron like you're just saying oh i'm

00:18:41.300 a moron because i think hitler was the bad guy yeah you i mean that's yes correct you've stated

00:18:46.460 my point for me thanks well also people are making jokes like oh yeah tucker carlson's next guest

00:18:52.300 and it shows hans landa from inglorious bastards it's like yeah cool nice i'm kind of like

00:18:58.120 you realize he's the only reason people watch that movie to begin with and go back to that movie yeah

00:19:04.860 Do you think people watch that movie because of The Bear Jew?

00:19:07.800 Because The Bear Jew was such a good bit?

00:19:09.860 Because of badass Eli Roth?

00:19:13.260 I was recording an episode of Real Secret Coffee Hours just today,

00:19:18.780 and it was covering the article you sent me.

00:19:23.000 It was about infiltrating the far right, published in The New Yorker.

00:19:27.300 And one thing I noticed, it's that, and I'm kind of spoiling the article now,

00:19:31.500 but um you notice they're talking about um a couple of individuals who infiltrated patriot

00:19:38.280 front many years ago not recently this is all old news but infiltrated patriot front

00:19:42.660 and and the unite the right rally that's how far back we're going with this story

00:19:46.900 and and unicorn riots involved in all that shit but what i noticed is when they were

00:19:52.160 trying to recount what the unite the right rally was or recount what patriot front's about you'll

00:19:58.580 notice that they leave a lot of things out they gloss over it and i was just saying kind of at

00:20:03.500 the end that you think these people are selling you narratives but they're actually selling you

00:20:08.540 on the negative space around narratives because they're selling you like a story the story itself

00:20:13.800 if you recall isn't that interesting would you say that like it's it actually doesn't name a lot

00:20:19.240 of names and it's a puff piece for unicorn right to say the anti-fascists are doing what the fbi

00:20:24.880 won't it's i was i was impressed actually the level of editorialization he'll go an entire

00:20:29.540 paragraph just telling the user not even how the user ought to think but the sorts of phrases

00:20:36.040 they'll use like we all know that what you the public think of this is that it's horrible and

00:20:40.820 of course you do because it's the worst thing that's ever happened and so on and so on it's

00:20:44.420 like yeah except that all you mentioned is how they they used a u-haul truck and they

00:20:48.480 didn't they covered the license plate like yes that's technically a traffic violation but like

00:20:53.800 where's the part where they beat up black kids it didn't happen well the most interesting thing

00:20:59.540 is they will use the phrase domestic terrorist white nationalist white people and rat dissident

00:21:08.840 radical interchangeably those all mean the same things at different times and they'll try and

00:21:12.720 hope that you film the apps because what they're trying to do like you think they're trying to sell

00:21:16.360 you a story they're trying to sell you implications and hope that you don't notice or they don't know

00:21:21.700 they hope their lies about what the unite the right rally was kind of occupy a vague blurry

00:21:28.780 space in your mind and then you'll oh yeah you know the deadly unite the right rally like the

00:21:33.500 deadly january 6 rise like yeah i kind of remember and then they won't explain to you in the piece

00:21:39.800 which they need they should do they ought to do if they had any journalistic integrity i know we

00:21:45.560 hate journalists but you know i'm a fucking faggot so i i give a shit about you know accurate

00:21:51.840 journalism so if you actually kind of read between the lines or read the lines you'll see like hey

00:21:57.280 wait no you can't just say that you need to prove that you need to source that you said you spoke to

00:22:01.100 someone what's the quote who's the person you didn't even mention that this person spoke to you

00:22:05.540 on the um requirement of anonymity so it sounds like you're just making shit up like you say well

00:22:12.020 well this these experts have been saying no no no what do you mean who what who or what what the

00:22:17.660 fuck you talking about and they hope you don't notice that they're selling you negative space

00:22:23.020 the one that the one that bothered me the most is the claims that patriot front had been like

00:22:27.940 inciting violence and beating people up like that they had gotten in fights and like roughed up a

00:22:32.600 bunch of black guys and gone into black neighborhoods to pick fights and it's like okay

00:22:35.500 you didn't have a single name link date location anything and that's because it didn't happen

00:22:41.620 it didn't fucking happen you're just going off of rumors that you heard or assumptions of course

00:22:47.140 they're white supremacists of course they would pick fights with black people yeah they didn't

00:22:50.860 though it didn't it fucking didn't happen like this is the whole fucking thing with them is

00:22:54.900 they're so clean that's why you're mad you little kike you're pissed because they're so fucking

00:23:00.480 clean i i think i think he was using very creative quotations in the article too because he didn't

00:23:06.200 put obviously he gave his excuses why he couldn't put the names of anybody but he kept putting their

00:23:10.780 what they were saying in quotes and the things that they were saying in quotes did not sound

00:23:14.460 like actual quotes it sounds like you're just writing a fucking narrative because that's the

00:23:18.140 apparent that was one of the things in quotes is like yeah we can't we wish we could but we can't

00:23:22.620 arrest people for making threats of violence like that's just totally fucking false they can and

00:23:27.300 they do all the time it's a strange lie it's a strange lie to tell the point where i said in

00:23:32.720 the piece i'm like it sounds like if i were a journalist i would know that's a lie not only

00:23:37.640 do they not do that they engineer it themselves that never came up yeah yeah it's trying to gas

00:23:43.640 up liberal readers of the new yorker to believe that the fbi needs a longer leash you know that

00:23:50.340 we need a we need a president who will unleash the fbi and allow them to go and prosecute without

00:23:57.420 any you know it's like it's the same trick with like convincing people that we need to ban assault

00:24:01.700 rifles as if assault rifles in canada haven't already been banned since the 70s but like it's

00:24:06.600 just that you want to ban a bunch anyways never mind but it's just it's clearly bullshit and

00:24:12.760 people on our side they're trying to pick apart the interviews sometimes but to me i like it i

00:24:18.040 don't mind this guy he's taking some of the more you know i'm not going to say surface level or

00:24:26.060 anything like that it's kind of or low-hanging fruit but this is stuff we we wouldn't even talk

00:24:29.700 about because it goes without saying you know we don't talk daily about challenging the narrative

00:24:34.900 in world war ii because we were all on the same page about that but for him to be out there on

00:24:40.440 tucker and tucker carlson's going yeah yeah yeah you know like if the jews have a homeland why

00:24:44.960 can't the english their ancient homeland is being taken from them because that is not something that

00:24:52.020 can be walked back that is permanent that is something that ends your existence as a people

00:24:57.400 like unless you're going to be like the jews and uh you know go off into exile and sort of

00:25:02.420 manage to maintain yourself you and even the jews they understood that they needed a little

00:25:07.120 spot somewhere on earth that was their special place to develop their culture and to work things

00:25:13.060 work out their history among themselves as a community of people and the english people are

00:25:18.840 having that taken from them he probably knows this before but he's bringing someone on to act

00:25:24.100 like he's learning it for the first time that's fine you know i but i'm like it's in it's out

00:25:29.320 there it's in the zeitgeist this is a massive fucking show he gets millions and millions of

00:25:33.840 views i'm like that's a win to me i got i got no issue with how daryl cooper phrased it i don't even

00:25:41.460 hate churchill to be honest like i i get the narrative but if i were to go deep into churchill

00:25:48.200 i bet i would find some stuff i like because i heard other people say like well look churchill

00:25:51.580 wrote negatively about israel and the jews i'm like okay fair enough like i don't or he criticized

00:25:56.460 the holocaust something like that like i'm sure there's i bet there's some good stuff there i

00:26:00.940 don't know i'm actually not passionate about churchill one way or the other i know some people

00:26:05.460 are i'll i'll take whatever commentary people have about him but good um another thing that

00:26:12.940 happened recently and again just today basically it's that um do you know anything about tenant

00:26:20.500 media

00:26:21.240 Tenet media no

00:26:24.480 I'd heard about them and they are

00:26:26.740 a you would call

00:26:28.660 them like an

00:26:30.300 influencer network

00:26:31.840 these groups have been around forever

00:26:33.660 but it's like a

00:26:35.920 like a collective of

00:26:38.400 influencers and who populates

00:26:40.680 it well it's Lauren Southern

00:26:42.000 it's Tim Poole

00:26:43.660 it's Dave Rubin

00:26:45.380 it's a few other people a few other names

00:26:47.900 it's run by Lauren Chen if anyone

00:26:49.940 remembers her oh no free speech is under attack that we self-censor maybe they take us down

00:26:55.840 individually it's a lot harder to do when we're grouped together in this way when the media says

00:27:00.460 dissident or anti-establishment i mean when i hear it i think based very cool independent media

00:27:06.700 actual media's most important job is holding these people accountable the challenge for all of us

00:27:11.740 is to not be passive participants in letting the country slip away

00:27:17.400 i don't like this already yeah so ten and mia they've been out there i'm not too plugged into

00:27:30.340 them i'm aware of them i know i don't like most of what they do well they're controlled op fucking

00:27:35.280 losers in turncoats and just just the worst they're probably at the top of the fucking list

00:27:39.660 if you know what i mean so i mean i hope i hope the story is that their office burnt down

00:27:44.160 Well, maybe because the FBI is involved.

00:27:47.920 We know they love burning down offices.

00:27:49.660 Oh, beautiful.

00:27:50.860 So they are being accused.

00:27:52.420 Let's just read the headline here.

00:27:55.080 Two Russia Today employees indicted for covertly funding and directing U.S.

00:27:59.640 company that published thousands of videos in furtherance of Russian interest.

00:28:03.520 So they're saying tenant media is directly connected to employees at RT Russia Today

00:28:09.500 and that they are acting as a Kremlin propaganda appendage.

00:28:16.180 That's the claim.

00:28:17.680 Now, I'm of two minds about this.

00:28:21.100 So if you read the document here,

00:28:25.260 it said the Justice Department,

00:28:26.700 the Justice Department of America has charged two employees of RT,

00:28:29.860 a Russian state-controlled media outlet,

00:28:31.600 in a $10 million scheme to create and distribute content to U.S. audiences

00:28:36.220 with hidden Russian government messaging.

00:28:39.500 but I don't know that it matters anymore. This is psychotic. Ukraine is the enemy of this country.

00:28:45.620 Ukraine is our enemy being funded by the Democrats. I will stress again. One of the

00:28:50.820 greatest enemies of our nation right now is Ukraine. They are expanding this war. Now,

00:28:57.080 don't get me wrong. I know you've got criminal elements of the U.S. government pushing them

00:29:01.240 and guiding them and telling them what to do. Ukraine is now accused, a German warrant issued

00:29:07.220 for blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline.

00:29:10.960 So you're reading that, and it says,

00:29:12.480 the Russian government has long sought to sow discord and chaos

00:29:15.860 in the United States through propaganda

00:29:17.400 and foreign malign influence campaigns.

00:29:20.880 So basically what they're saying is

00:29:22.980 Lauren Chen directly made a deal with Russia.

00:29:27.920 They got lots of money.

00:29:29.220 I'm hearing numbers as high as $100,000 per video.

00:29:33.840 That's what Dave Rubin would get.

00:29:35.220 um however and i'm sure you'll agree with this to some degree but the way they're defining

00:29:42.440 russian interference has always rubbed me the wrong way that you know just because you don't

00:29:47.860 think ukraine is and we're going back to this narrative the good guy and russia is the bad guy

00:29:54.420 um that does not mean that you're serving russian interests so which is to say

00:30:00.240 it would not surprise me if someone could organically arrive at the conclusion that

00:30:06.520 maybe russia has a point in their conquest of ukrainian territory right a lot of people have

00:30:13.140 that take so to me it's like the justice department saying that you know if if you

00:30:18.920 believe that you are subject to russian propaganda i don't like that yeah i mean i don't i don't know

00:30:24.660 the details of the story and it's obviously yeah it's their go-to thing that everything on the

00:30:29.000 right is fucking russian propaganda so i take it with a grain of salt but at the same time i have

00:30:34.200 absolutely no doubt that russia is interfering i don't like russia like i'm not a you know fuck

00:30:39.000 russia honestly fuck ukraine more but very very fuck russia and also fuck lauren chen she's such

00:30:45.460 a dumb dumb fucking v-tube whore like i hope she gets hit by a bus and all of these these weird

00:30:51.140 like milquetoast gay jews at her company like what a wonderful day that russia could get caught

00:30:58.460 red-handed these people could all lose their jobs the fbi's money and time could be wasted like

00:31:02.760 it's just like it's my birthday i like i love this story actually like i i i'm just happy

00:31:09.700 that people i don't like had their rib cages caved in yes i mean i hate everybody in this story

00:31:16.100 a mere object everyone sucks i like that lauren chen is losing money i don't care how i like that

00:31:23.520 tim pool is sweating i like that lauren because here's why i can believe it i can believe this

00:31:31.200 because i think the content influencer game is rigged from soup to nuts yeah i i think

00:31:39.680 plantation i think all these people i think tim pool lauren southern all these people know that

00:31:44.940 they have no marketable skills but they want money like if it is true these numbers are true

00:31:48.960 the dave rubens check 10 tenant media's youtube page your average dave ruben video is getting

00:31:55.520 4 000 views how the fuck does this make any sense these numbers don't make sense 4 000

00:32:01.240 that he used to be big that's crazy is it just because they're shorts or that's on their youtube

00:32:06.500 i think his are getting more but here's the thing these numbers don't make sense to me anymore and

00:32:10.280 i've brought this up many times before just from a marketing perspective like i the jig has been up

00:32:16.580 on data validity for a long time like i don't buy it there's it's a known thing it's widely known

00:32:24.560 that rumble one of the biggest competitors to youtube is it fakes its numbers it's a publicly

00:32:30.300 traded company everyone knows it's got view multipliers in every video right sometimes

00:32:35.980 it's not an even number it's not like oh two two x it's like three point two x it gives you odd

00:32:41.560 numbers but most of the view counts and live viewers too it's fake and you can tell that by

00:32:46.900 comparing it to the amount of live comments you're getting like it's all fucking fake and how is that

00:32:52.100 allowed at from a publicly traded company the one thing you need to be able to guarantee

00:32:56.420 is that your analytics your numbers are real they're okay with that you know because who would

00:33:02.020 buy them who would invest in them but apparently it doesn't fucking matter well that's what i was

00:33:05.620 going to say like to me the implication with rumble and people investing in rumble because

00:33:09.520 there is big money in rumble is that people who are putting big money in rumble understand that

00:33:14.560 there is at maybe not as much but a equivalent amount of bullshit on every other social media

00:33:21.620 globally and there's no such thing as a platform that isn't skewed in one way or another so you're

00:33:26.620 not buying it because the views are real and the platform is real you're buying it because

00:33:30.780 it has legs for some other reason like rumble can have legs because it's backed by you know

00:33:37.320 shadowy right-wing fags and youtube can have legs because it's backed by fucking jewish lizard cabal

00:33:43.040 so not be like you know what i mean like none of this stuff is like i said it's a plantation none

00:33:47.260 of this is real none of this has been real for a very long time it's all just different fronts on

00:33:51.740 a fifth gen battlefield we are so far away from the equation of person makes video and people

00:33:59.840 watch video if they like it and numbers go up if it's popular there's so much dark money there's

00:34:05.360 So much botting.

00:34:06.320 There's so much bullshit.

00:34:07.520 Except for us, because we only have 2,000 subs, and we are openly, openly supported by Unilever,

00:34:14.600 which is why I always use Head & Shoulders, and you should too.

00:34:18.660 I love Unilever products.

00:34:20.760 I loved them before they started paying us money, and I love being a part of the Unilever family.

00:34:26.000 Yeah, same.

00:34:29.020 And I would do that even if they weren't paying me.

00:34:31.200 Is this going to be the one that gets us taken down?

00:34:35.360 And I say to my wife every day, irrespective of who's paying me, I say, Unilever, got to have it.

00:34:42.740 And she's like, no Unilever.

00:34:45.780 No Unilever.

00:34:49.360 No Unilever.

00:34:51.100 And I say, got to have it, like a lot.

00:34:54.540 Can we get a Unilever Tower in the chat?

00:34:58.740 Unilever Towers in the chat, please.

00:35:01.180 This is real.

00:35:02.240 i love just threatening companies by saying they sponsor us and they pay us to get us to stop

00:35:12.160 yes oh this is a good grift we just walk right into that that's good this is what black people

00:35:18.800 did with like uh saint ides and uh gucci shit like their rappers are getting money not to wear

00:35:25.060 gucci we're we're an italian company we've been in operation for centuries

00:35:31.420 I don't like being associated with crack cocaine.

00:35:37.500 Also, let me just, to wrap up this story,

00:35:39.280 Dave Rubin, all these other people,

00:35:41.360 they're denying knowledge, denying involvement.

00:35:44.180 It seems to be Lauren Chen at the top,

00:35:46.260 which again, wouldn't surprise me

00:35:47.740 as a politicking, networking type of gal.

00:35:52.780 I think everyone's trying to take money from someone.

00:35:55.920 I think, I said this in another Real Secret Coffee Hour

00:35:59.280 was regarding a piece published by milo yiannopoulos about nick fuentes who is allegedly shopping his

00:36:06.120 groiper movement around to various billionaires and this is kind of but in the sense that everyone

00:36:11.180 is that's all anyone is fucking anyone who's make because no one can make money that's what

00:36:15.640 influencing is what do you does anybody like honestly i'm embarrassed for people that think

00:36:20.320 that this is not what influencing is what is it other than i'm a talking head and you pay me to

00:36:26.920 say the things that help you it's a fucking product idiot like again except for us but but

00:36:33.780 i mean it's it's i mean well as i said because because we because and we discussed this before

00:36:40.660 um and you know if you've heard me talk about this before i apologize but if you look at

00:36:45.660 some of the larger channels on youtube the channels that people do make money at this not

00:36:51.020 only just money but millions of dollars places like you know vlad tv or no jumper i'm really

00:36:57.020 showing that i listen to too much hip-hop related shit but these are like two big channels interview

00:37:01.160 channels it's known that when these videos drop like a new interview video music videos are

00:37:07.600 terrible for this music videos like it'll drop and within a minute it's got 100 000 views 200 000

00:37:14.640 views because they need to bought it right out the gate before the quote-unquote algorithm will

00:37:21.680 serve it to people that's a known thing as well how algorithms work they judge virality based on

00:37:27.380 not only the views but how fast they are if there's a momentum behind it so for a lot of

00:37:32.880 these guys they're buying views just to get their shit seen that's it and they know it's like

00:37:37.100 whatever video i watch i got slapped down i don't know like a few hundred dollars just to bought

00:37:43.260 this before even real people see it and that's the game they fucking play everyone does it except

00:37:49.480 us and that's why you discuss i'm like uh you and me discuss for i'm like should we like i'm not i'm

00:37:55.120 not i don't want to it feels disgusting and treacherous but i'm like yeah this is the game

00:38:01.340 and you have to decide whether or not you want to play it and if you don't want to play that game

00:38:05.280 then you're probably not going to be operating at that level because yeah when i was working in an

00:38:10.000 agency many years ago i was starting up an influencer department because we were dealing

00:38:15.600 with some influencers and i needed to kind of standardize it and codify it and i was dealing

00:38:21.620 with influencer agencies back then but they were for like skincare influencers because some one of

00:38:27.720 the biggest influencer markets is beauty you know these women who just review beauty products which

00:38:33.180 is such a funny fucking scam or fashion's another one yeah and you deal with these people and you

00:38:38.700 deal with their agents and these are girls who get a little bit of a following and then they sign on

00:38:44.060 they get they get grouped in together and the promise that these agencies sell them on is like

00:38:48.720 we will 10x your viewership but that 10xing is all bought so sometimes the content creators don't

00:38:54.780 even fucking know of course they don't they're they just want to do us a silly thing they want

00:38:59.500 to try on makeup and have a teddy bear in the background and talk about their boyfriend whatever

00:39:03.900 dumb shit girls talk about when they're not sitting in a room and thinking about their

00:39:08.740 future husband you know they but they get in these orgs and they know the orgs know that we're going

00:39:15.420 to gin up these numbers and make them fake to make us attractive to sponsors and that's how the money

00:39:19.580 is generated so like to me it's all fake it's it's been fake for years and i could see that from the

00:39:26.540 other end because i'm paying these influencers and i'm noticing that this sponsorship is not

00:39:32.300 translating to sales like it should this seems fake because you can fake a lot of stuff you can't

00:39:38.520 fake the conversions you can't fake the sales yes you can't at the end of the day if you're spending

00:39:43.300 a lot of money on something it's not making you money something is wrong and a lot of people a

00:39:50.440 lot of agencies and marketers don't need to know that they want you to forget that the only reason

00:39:53.760 you're fucking doing this at all is to generate sales because everything else kind of you know

00:39:58.320 you could talk top top of funnel strategies and whatnot but you should have this mapped out to

00:40:02.480 year over year this is having an effect and if it's not then it might just be fucking fake

00:40:07.160 you know anyway this has been a bit of a more of a rant i want to do but yeah tenant media

00:40:12.360 it's in trouble maybe for the wrong thing but if it's proving that if proven that loran chen is in

00:40:19.080 the pocket of russia i mean people correctly say well then you should be against israel as well

00:40:25.600 true and it should be against china as well true like to me this whole thing is a mess to me

00:40:30.060 there's no the russia is not the bad guy every and of course america is doing the same thing to

00:40:36.760 russia and china like it's it's all it seems like to make any money in the world you need to be in

00:40:44.360 the pocket of some government otherwise you know those fucking you know value taming guys they gotta

00:40:51.140 taking money from someone of course of course like anyone who's got like a cool studio like i

00:40:56.240 don't trust you yeah if you're not broke like us there's like it's fundamentally true on some

00:41:03.240 broad like global level that nobody wants you to make money at things that are productive and i'm

00:41:11.280 not i mean i have my own theories why that is but it seems it doesn't matter whether it's just in

00:41:15.840 media or whether it's in politics or if it's an industry or in education or whatever all of the

00:41:20.160 is in grift and then the people who should know better are encouraging this and anything that

00:41:26.340 works and is actually good is never profitable there's it's just the weirdest fucking thing man

00:41:33.000 but this is yeah i just assume at this point the more popular something gets the more garbage it

00:41:39.260 is and the more you know bad money there is behind it driving it so well and also the one thing i do

00:41:46.120 like is telegram and of course what happened there pavel durov was arrested in paris yep

00:41:53.640 telegram ceo and co-founder pavel durov could spend up to 10 years behind bars french authorities

00:42:01.040 are accusing him of allowing criminal activity on his popular encrypted app durov is facing

00:42:06.460 multiple charges and he must remain in france during the investigation pavel durov may not be

00:42:12.700 a household name in the West, but in Russia, the former Soviet world, Africa, and the Middle

00:42:19.160 East, his social media platform, Telegram, is a giant with more than 900 million users.

00:42:27.980 We care about freedom. Even our logo, the paper airplane, symbolizes freedom to move

00:42:37.580 in three dimensions.

00:42:38.680 what do you think about that first off like i'm sure you've heard enough about that you're off

00:42:43.740 the grid you're not too into the chat anymore but i'm sure you heard about that what do you

00:42:48.460 think about this i mean it's it's only a matter of time i guess i kind of thought it would happen

00:42:53.000 earlier um i don't know it's it's weird too because he's not what is it he's actually a

00:42:59.300 citizen of the he's an emirati or something i think so it's creating almost an international

00:43:05.460 incident there as well like because russia wants him as well but like the emiratis are now pissed

00:43:10.600 with the french and i think they were going to withhold they're going to withhold the purchase

00:43:13.760 of like uh euro fighters or something from france because of his arrest which is going to cost the

00:43:18.120 french like 60 billion dollars so like there's a lot of there's a lot of funny bullshit going on

00:43:22.960 there but again i'm just surprised that it hasn't happened sooner because telegram like they're

00:43:27.280 correct the telegram is used to plot terrorism by their standards um and they if i were them i would

00:43:33.860 also be trying to ban it globally so i mean all right yeah well so that for the exact same reason

00:43:38.940 they were always going after wikileaks because it does represent a threat and if you're being

00:43:44.840 arrested in france it means you're over target yeah like let's not let's not beat around the

00:43:48.940 bush like with wikileaks the same thing it's like oh no he wasn't actually publishing government

00:43:52.980 secrets no he was i mean and that's why we that's why we loved it is whatever you want to say about

00:43:57.100 assange the reason that we love wikileaks is because it was an actual it was bleeding global

00:44:02.640 governments and we laugh and and we cry tears of joy when that happens because we hate them so

00:44:07.780 that's it's it's great and assange was anti-authoritarian and anarchist enough

00:44:14.440 where that his interests and mine might occasionally intersect like he's not doing

00:44:19.900 this just to fuck me like these other people with assange and durov it's almost a bipartisan thing

00:44:26.320 if you just hate the government like i can get along with left-wingers who just want all global

00:44:31.640 global governments to fight each other and die and we're i mean we're all right there with assange

00:44:37.320 and duroff you know stormy waters he pointed out a very interesting document and he says here

00:44:42.660 stormy of course who we've had on the show before he was on a coprano society interview

00:44:48.260 a very popular one he said our guys need to get on message with this whole telegram thing

00:44:52.900 or we are going to miss a huge opportunity he says i will link the reticent articles below

00:44:57.560 But in short, the Telegram CEO isn't in jail for any free speech nonsense.

00:45:01.860 It's because our closest ally got hit in a hack and dump op.

00:45:06.380 And he's linking here to an article published in a business standard.

00:45:11.340 It says anti-Israel hackers published extensive amounts of classified data.

00:45:15.880 Anti-Israel hackers have published extensive amounts of data as Israel continues its struggle to contain leaks.

00:45:22.140 Turkey-based and dual agency reported the leaks involve tens of thousands of sensitive documents

00:45:26.480 an email stolen from israeli institutions including the justice ministry uh the cyber

00:45:32.300 attacks from 2023 have targeted several entities including military and defense contractors

00:45:36.780 um and it seems telegram emerged as the start of the war as a key platform utilized by hamas

00:45:44.040 information warfare against israel one israel was unable to properly address lacking both

00:45:49.660 monitoring capabilities and understanding of the platform so he's he's implying and this was

00:45:56.400 published a few days ago this isn't an old article saying that the main reason telegram is under the

00:46:03.040 microscope right now is due to their involvement of you know not only us far-right schizos but

00:46:09.040 hamas and trying to get that under control like it was the israeli leaks that pushed them over the

00:46:15.780 edge and some people are afraid that you know with the with durav compromise that telegram

00:46:22.340 is wide open for manipulation all our data is going to get stolen i mean maybe because remember

00:46:29.460 this needs to be said for those who use telegram your group chats are not encrypted your public

00:46:36.660 channels are not encrypted anyone can join these group chats if you let them and download everything

00:46:42.120 you've ever said even if you've got uh auto delete time run it they'll get whatever's there

00:46:47.720 it's pretty easy to scrape this stuff there it has the ability for end-to-end encrypted

00:46:53.240 private chats but how often do you motherfuckers use that i bet not often now we're all in the

00:46:58.980 group chats yeah so or even a dm that can easily be you know a lot of that's not totally encrypted

00:47:04.920 either any point being that you're probably not using telegram safely to begin with you know um

00:47:11.360 antifa might be in there in some sense trying to get information anyway so that may very well be

00:47:18.580 true uh what do you think about that do you think this has to do with israel or you think it's it's

00:47:23.440 what we say it's just hey maybe i mean i don't think we needed another reason i think that the

00:47:28.180 reasons that i think the reasons that are in the news are pretty believable um this also is

00:47:34.380 believable and i'm sure it has contributed um it i guess it makes sense but uh it's not like

00:47:41.300 france doesn't have their own geopolitical motivations it says i'm looking at haretz right

00:47:46.520 now too in haretz after iran steals sensitive israeli data israel tries to censor the internet

00:47:52.280 anti-israel hackers stole troves of sensitive israeli data and are now publishing gigabytes

00:47:57.480 of secret and classified information unable to stop the hacks israel is waging a futile war

00:48:03.320 against the leaks so i mean that it would surprise me if that was not involved as well however i'm

00:48:10.540 sure it's related however they went after julian assange for things other than israel as well so

00:48:16.680 anyway point being that you know i'm not i'm not terribly worried yet you could argue there's an

00:48:23.320 an israel angle with assange because a lot of the stuff that he published was related to like the

00:48:27.500 the forever wars in the middle east which we all know are 100 funded and driven by israeli

00:48:33.340 interests so yeah i mean there's it's it's nothing there isn't anything on earth that

00:48:37.980 isn't related to fucking israel at this point yeah this is where we come back to our most salient

00:48:44.800 point probably the message of the other show the entire show which is that first principles are

00:48:50.960 more important than truth yeah you can spend a lot of time trying who's telling the truth

00:48:55.940 who's in what kind of kind of colored pocket who is paid off is this right it doesn't matter

00:49:02.180 is this serving your interest do you know what your interests are do you do you know what first

00:49:08.380 principles you hold to be true and it actually doesn't really matter you don't get your truth

00:49:14.520 from anywhere you know what the fucking truth is right right and that is your compass and the rest

00:49:20.480 of this is just noise at a certain where are my kids do i have my gun when's dinner right and not

00:49:26.700 i wonder why they arrested pavel like that's cool and all but like where are my kids do i have my

00:49:32.880 gun who do i shoot is more important there's this really great video that i saw it was recommended

00:49:39.760 to me uh by the uh man who was in it actually i ended up in a conversation with him it's called

00:49:46.140 blackmail inflation i don't know if you've ever seen this but it's on youtube i'm looking at uh

00:49:51.480 it's on the dark stowa it's it was uploaded four years ago so called blackmail inflation

00:49:57.880 and this is a guy who is an expert on cyber security he's really interesting guy patrick

00:50:04.780 ryan he's got a uh organization called psycho security um you can find it at hypercrowd.ck

00:50:11.860 psycho security researching influence operations i'll just read a bit from the site he says join

00:50:17.020 mean understanding the past dissecting the present and preparing for the future of influence

00:50:21.500 operations explore the fascinating world of linguistic weaponry ai driven manipulation and

00:50:27.680 the convergence of unexpected players ensuring that you are not only informed but also equipped

00:50:33.200 to safeguard the integrity of information in a world where influence reigns supreme

00:50:38.040 so he's got a lot of information out here a lot of articles about psychosecurity is protecting

00:50:45.040 your mind you know protecting your mind from misinformation and he's got anyway this really

00:50:50.260 fascinating video about like what is blackmail the history of blackmail how do you blackmail

00:50:55.700 influential figures how does blackmail work and is there if there is sort of an economy of blackmail

00:51:03.520 if blackmail information has value you know you can kind of map an economy of blackmail

00:51:10.080 And in a world where AI and deepfakes can kind of, in a world where there's so much not only blackmail information out there on people that you can get normally, but you can also fabricate it, is there such a thing as inflationary pressures in the market of blackmail where you can start creating blackmail yourself to use against other people?

00:51:33.560 basically trying to blackmail influential people to to blackmail other influential people

00:51:39.800 to you know i mean like and and what types of blackmail works anymore because there was a time

00:51:45.700 when being gay if you caught someone being gay you know that could be blackmail material that

00:51:50.780 doesn't work as much anymore kind of the only thing that really really works is international

00:51:56.260 treachery you know treason or pedophile stuff right but could you have ai that generates that

00:52:05.460 stuff against a person and wield that person against other influential people there's already

00:52:11.300 videos of uh deep faking obama deep faking vladimir putin deep faking donald trump you can

00:52:16.940 go look for those they're available they're everywhere it's getting better you might say

00:52:21.060 well i can you know if you get down to it i'm going to find the deep fake yeah you probably

00:52:25.620 could. I mean, if you get into the JPEG algorithm, you can see artifacts in the block encodings

00:52:32.580 that are indicative of a deepfaking. That is true. But there are people that when they see this,

00:52:39.000 just like when they saw Queen Victoria's face, they're going to think, yeah, that's probably a

00:52:42.300 person. They get the same effect, the same asymmetrical advantage for a time. And all you

00:52:48.200 need is a time. Because once you get that asymmetrical advantage where you can deepfake

00:52:52.360 anybody into anything, into any situation, you are now in a scenario where we can automatically

00:52:58.320 create blackmail on anybody. I don't need a film crew. I don't need to clean up messes. I don't

00:53:06.300 need to deal with all these problems. The robot's going to do it for me. I press button, I get

00:53:11.120 blackmail on anyone. And that's the future we're about to walk into. Now, why is this a problem?

00:53:17.480 You think, well, if everybody's blackmailed, then nobody's going to believe anything.

00:53:21.860 That's true.

00:53:22.660 That will happen.

00:53:23.560 You're going to have an epistemic collapse, for sure, as nobody believes any face of human activity ever again.

00:53:29.840 Sure, that's going to happen.

00:53:31.280 But there's a problem.

00:53:33.620 Okay, remember our little theoretical model of how you build a world order that's very brand spanking new?

00:53:41.240 What you do is you have the blackmail on all these people, right?

00:53:44.160 but I just showed you technique which I can create blackmail on any of these

00:53:48.240 people. Beep boop! Here's a bunch of fake blackmail on this guy. I just made a

00:53:55.440 whole bunch of blackmail on that guy. Now you might think, so what? Who cares?

00:54:00.400 Probably use a scumbag. Hey, yeah, yeah, okay. It's a scumbag, sure. But this is the real blackmail.

00:54:05.060 And this is the fake blackmail. I have no thing about game theory or two. You might start to say,

00:54:11.540 hey now wait a second this guy can use this stuff to plausibly deny this one

00:54:20.100 uh-oh guess what just happened he has plausible deniability he can defect now

00:54:28.980 he doesn't have to play the game here he doesn't have to be controlled by the leash anymore

00:54:33.620 he can use this fake stuff to defect is there a future coming where you know some people get

00:54:40.420 frustrated when i gesture to ai and say you know ai will do this crazy stuff and everyone says

00:54:45.060 who the fuck cares what ai it can't do anything it's fugazi you know what do you think about

00:54:51.380 anything i just said there first of all like what's your take there i think i think that the

00:54:56.160 ai argument is more complicated than i agree with both sides of it um i i'm curious about this video

00:55:02.200 i'd like to see more about it because i think this is something that gets talked about a lot

00:55:05.640 And there's everybody's always short on details about how any of this works, you know, in terms of how it's initiated and how it operates long term.

00:55:13.000 So that's kind of neat.

00:55:14.420 I'll give you an example.

00:55:15.580 He goes on how blackmail traditionally was gathered and he gives lots of scenarios.

00:55:20.560 Like one is that, well, you would actually kind of get their buy off therapists because a lot of influential people, they have psychologists, they have therapists, they have yoga instructors.

00:55:29.160 You pay them off to get the blackmail from them or their spiritual healers.

00:55:34.620 that was a classic way to do it if someone if one of these motherfuckers has a shaman

00:55:38.620 that they trust like that is a open way to manipulation so he's kind of talking about

00:55:43.760 how you would build a network of people to to get black people but how much you need to invest to

00:55:50.820 maintain that as well and how you propagate like how can you actually make blackmail because just

00:55:56.420 because you have a photo well do you have the ability to put it out there well now you kind

00:55:59.860 got to know journalists too it's not that simple to to use blackmail as a a coercive device you know

00:56:08.300 what i mean however there's a lot more opportunity now with social media consumer devices being able

00:56:15.060 to spy on people you know the internet of things of that nature um anyway but long story short

00:56:21.640 great video i'd recommend people do it but it also reminded me of this other video that i saw

00:56:28.280 Now, this ties directly into the AI thing I was just saying.

00:56:33.940 I found this video.

00:56:35.200 It had a bit of a sensational title, but the title was, this is, I'm looking at the video.

00:56:41.360 It's got over 4 million views.

00:56:44.000 Title released by AI Upload, this channel, says ex-Google CEO's banned interview was leaked.

00:56:51.860 It's ex-Google CEO Eric Schmidt recently made headlines with some controversial comments

00:56:57.040 about ai during an interview conducted at stanford university and this isn't just someone talking

00:57:02.860 about the interview it is the full interview you can watch eric schmidt say these things

00:57:06.640 but um apparently it was taken down and that's a story that sells right what did he say

00:57:12.040 is he's a fucking nostradamus with strange squinty eyes um but he mentions a couple of

00:57:20.260 things that aren't scary although they are somewhat disappointing and cynical and sad

00:57:26.400 He talks about the applications of AI in the future.

00:57:29.520 And a couple of things he said made me think about AI differently.

00:57:34.140 And I've chosen, I essentially invest in everything because I can't figure out who's going to win.

00:57:40.320 And the amounts of money that are following me are so large.

00:57:44.640 I think some of it is because the early money has been made and the big money people who don't know what they're doing have to have an AI component.

00:57:52.220 and everything is now an AI investment so they can't tell the difference. I define AI as learning

00:57:57.560 systems, systems that actually learn. So I think that's one of them. The second is that there are

00:58:02.400 very sophisticated new algorithms that are sort of post-transformers. My friend, my collaborator

00:58:08.480 for a long time has invented a new non-transformer architecture. There's a group that I'm funding in

00:58:13.440 Paris that has claims to have done the same thing. So there's enormous invention there,

00:58:18.740 lot of things at stanford and the final thing is that there is a belief in the market that

00:58:24.420 the invention of intelligence has infinite return so let's say you have you put 50 billion dollars

00:58:31.620 of capital into a company you have to make an awful lot of money from intelligence to pay that

00:58:36.580 back so it's probably the case that we'll go through some huge investment bubble and then

00:58:42.340 it'll sort itself out that's always been true in the past and it's likely to be true here

00:58:47.300 just to give you uh i recommend people watch the video in full um but he was answering questions

00:58:54.920 from these students about the practical applications of ai and where we're at right now

00:58:58.840 and he says um here's a quote he says if tiktok is banned here's what i propose each and every

00:59:04.900 one of you to do say to your llm your language model the following make me a copy of tiktok

00:59:11.620 steal all the users steal all the music put my preferences in it produce this program in the

00:59:16.680 next 30 seconds release it and if in one hour it's not viral do something different along the same

00:59:22.380 lines that's the command boom boom boom boom and he says so in the example that i gave of the tiktok

00:59:28.940 competitor and by the way i'm not arguing that you should do this because it's legal what you would

00:59:33.800 do if you're a silicon valley entrepreneur which hopefully you will be is if it took off then you'd

00:59:38.800 hire a whole bunch of lawyers to go clean up the mess but if nobody uses your product it doesn't

00:59:43.220 matter that you stole all the content so he's basically saying that in other words yeah that's

00:59:48.200 right but you see my point in other words silicon valley will run these tests and clean up the mess

00:59:51.780 and that's typically how those things are done so you could just employ this ai to do whatever you

00:59:56.720 don't break all the rules steal shit and just litigate it away later which is how they've all

01:00:02.740 operated this entire fucking time it's all intellectual property he's very open about it

01:00:06.880 and he was also open about like problems with the management style and work culture at google and

01:00:12.420 how fucking retarded it is and why google is falling behind on every metric right now oh do

01:00:17.420 you see this too no no i i watched that interview a few days because i follow the oh good pretty

01:00:22.380 closely but yeah so you know i mean look i i know i actually disagree with him i think eric schmidt

01:00:27.120 is a fucking has been and a bit of a loser and the reason he does speaking gigs and doesn't

01:00:31.080 actually do anything except have other people invest his money that he made by accident is

01:00:35.060 because he's not that fucking smart but uh yeah i mean he he has his ear to the ground because he's

01:00:40.840 in the space like he knows everybody also he's investing he's like a guy who puts a lot of money

01:00:45.840 he's investing because he was a fucking ground level programmer who was originally part of google

01:00:51.360 right like he made all of his money there but it's not like he had a bunch of other brilliant ideas

01:00:55.820 afterwards he hasn't done fucking anything i mean again it's not like he hasn't done anything but

01:01:00.460 honestly it's easy to do something when you have a hundred million dollars you know what i mean

01:01:03.940 like his first coup was being part of the original google team but since then he's not like a serial

01:01:08.920 entrepreneur he's just an old guy with money who is paid for his opinions at ivy league schools

01:01:15.120 so and i this whole thing about like just ask your llm to copy tiktok like there's like a hundred

01:01:20.740 reasons why that's the most retarded thing you could have said to a student and i'm sure there

01:01:24.140 were a lot of students rolling their eyes at that it's funny like i just got a photo of him

01:01:28.860 and he's looking very stirred black and white you know half tone pattern he's looking at the camera

01:01:34.000 very ceo pose yeah and then there's like a word that says google ceo arrow pointing to him

01:01:40.100 i'm i love it if you just said fucking moron and point to him just looking with his arms crossed

01:01:46.180 like he's he's just this weird soft spoken shrimpy programmer who thinks he's like a silicon valley

01:01:51.420 raider renegade guy who's like issuing all moral principle and it's like you just you just seem

01:01:57.900 like a skeezy asshole though because he's openly saying like kind of whispering to the to the

01:02:03.340 audience like yeah we all know that we don't care about the laws or the rules or morality we just

01:02:08.900 want to make money because this is silicon valley am i right guys it's like i mean you're not

01:02:13.220 supposed to say it eric i mean we all the thing is we all know that you think that it's just now

01:02:18.220 you you don't get to pretend that we don't know so he opened up that uh thing that piece by saying

01:02:24.600 like why is google falling behind he said something akin to because people care more they care more

01:02:29.540 about people having getting off at five than making money or something people going home to

01:02:33.620 see their families i think was even what he had said he's like you're not going to beat china

01:02:37.380 that way i'm like i mean i guess you should be able to though see this is why we should hang eric

01:02:42.500 you know he said a couple of things another thing that was very funny was uh and i think i've got

01:02:52.720 the quote here but i'm going to summarize it says um that all the top ai guys come from india

01:02:58.580 right so we we said india is the state yeah but let me finish what an insane statement what an

01:03:04.980 absolutely like in terms of biomass in terms of physical like carbon biomass yes but in terms of

01:03:11.840 actual ideas and productivity how could you even say that that's insane let me finish i didn't even

01:03:17.820 finish the statement because what he said was india is like the state to watch and you said

01:03:22.440 like we need to be careful of a brain drain in india we don't want to take all of the best

01:03:26.460 developers but he said but you see the thing about india is they don't have uh the software

01:03:30.540 or the resources or the training like we do over here so we need the software they don't have i

01:03:34.660 guess that's the problem but also the resources or training so like the how are they the best

01:03:40.620 like you're saying they're the best developers they just don't have the good schools for like

01:03:44.500 what they just need a mad american magic dirt is what they need they need the magic dirt like

01:03:50.340 literally that's what he's saying i'm like that does anyone in the room does that make sense to

01:03:54.400 them or no because that's an odd thing to say yeah no he's just he's playing the he's just the enemy

01:04:00.240 like there's there's nothing else to see here other than eric schmidt being enemy of humanity

01:04:04.960 i will say the one thing that he said that really got my got the noggin jogging and i think this is

01:04:11.500 true he talked about what was called adversarial ai and this is kind of what we were talking about

01:04:16.240 before with the blackmail inflation idea where he said when we think about ai we think of okay

01:04:21.300 they design a program that takes in and absorbs all the information out there and by the way

01:04:28.200 everyone they've created llms and ai that that have done that and it's not enough the problem

01:04:35.400 isn't that oh we can create um you know an intelligent singularity where it can create no

01:04:41.920 it's like we actually have a problem of scale like we the way he described it it's like we have they

01:04:48.560 can process the sum total of all human information now and it doesn't fucking matter because we don't

01:04:54.300 have that agi yet so we need to make synthetic information we need to make machines that make

01:04:59.340 new information that's usable information so it has nothing to do with like processing the sum

01:05:04.520 total of human knowledge that doesn't equal agi that intelligence that we're talking about so

01:05:09.700 we're getting weird with it now well it's because and it's just to be clear the reason why they

01:05:13.520 process all of human knowledge 10 times over and it still spits out wrong answers is because it

01:05:17.840 isn't ai it's fucking linear algebra it's just the probability curves it's just spitting out

01:05:22.400 like averages it doesn't actually understand anything it's not artificial intelligence and

01:05:27.320 then that's part of what has delayed gpt5 and apparently gpt5 or like gpt next or whatever

01:05:32.740 it is that's coming out my understanding of it is it's actually effectively a different model

01:05:37.300 or it's a new model laid on top of the old model that actually slows it down a lot it'll be very

01:05:42.300 slow but it is actually thinking through some of these answers and like testing them instead of

01:05:47.840 just spitting out hallucinations so but yeah up to this point this shit when we say learning like

01:05:53.300 llms language models are not artificial intelligence they're language models they're

01:05:57.880 probability curves they're linear algebra yeah and that's why they're saying that i remember when

01:06:02.600 you speak to the guys who are actually running these companies they said the biggest problem we

01:06:05.700 of right now is energy that there's just not enough energy to run these giant fucking factory

01:06:11.920 farm processors that it would take to do the thing at scale that we need to make what we need they're

01:06:17.020 like there's just not enough money in the world to do this it might as well be creating a fucking

01:06:22.580 dyson sphere at this point is what they're saying right um but anyway the point being what he talked

01:06:27.980 about was this one idea that i found very interesting and it kind of cuts through all

01:06:32.200 this, he called it adversarial AI. And he said, basically, you know, he said that the next

01:06:37.460 companies you're going to see are people creating AI to target and attack and destroy other AI to

01:06:43.820 make that AI smarter. The consensus of my group that meets on every week is that eventually the

01:06:51.600 way you'll do this, so-called adversarial AI, is that there will actually be companies that

01:06:58.380 you will hire and pay money to, to break your AI system.

01:07:02.220 Like red team.

01:07:03.220 So it'll be the red, instead of human red teams, which is what they do today, you'll

01:07:06.700 have whole companies and a whole industry of AI systems whose jobs are to break the

01:07:12.360 existing AI systems and find their vulnerabilities, especially the knowledge that they have that

01:07:16.760 we can't figure out.

01:07:18.560 That makes sense to me.

01:07:19.560 It's also a great project for you here at Stanford, because if you have a graduate student

01:07:24.200 who has to figure out how to attack one of these large models and understand

01:07:28.000 what it does. That is a great skill to build the next generation.

01:07:32.140 So it's not because when we imagine AI, like I said, you imagine like, okay,

01:07:35.440 we have this construct that gets smarter, but it's like, it can't do that.

01:07:40.040 But what you can do is you can like through fighting through warfare,

01:07:44.740 you can actually just direct AI at each other to just like attack and attack

01:07:48.960 and attack, and then it gets smarter somehow. And I'm like,

01:07:51.740 I never thought of it like that, but you get to AGI through fucking endless machine warfare.

01:07:59.400 You're taking a very big view of this, which is interesting because I think that larger, almost civilizational view of what can go on, like an inter-interest or interstate AI war, that is like you become stronger through battle.

01:08:16.540 that's interesting but also in the context of the industry talking about adversarial ai

01:08:21.520 saying adversarial ai this is how deep learning at neural nets have been trained since they've

01:08:27.360 been invented you create in a neural net and you create another neural net whose job it is to kick

01:08:32.740 the first one in the balls and you create another neural net whose job it is to kick the second one

01:08:36.740 in the balls and then they feed back into each other and that's how they grow because otherwise

01:08:40.820 you have to be an operator sit there and kick the thing in the balls which is to say to poke it and

01:08:45.600 say no you're wrong no you're wrong no you're wrong so you create a neural net that beats it

01:08:49.880 up so that it learns its lesson so but that's actually how we already train them so and then

01:08:54.140 when they talk about like hobbling or or um like modifying or improving our existing models it's

01:08:59.880 often what they're doing is they're creating secondary tertiary adversarial models and

01:09:04.720 tacking them onto the end so like every time the model comes up with a bad answer the little

01:09:09.360 parasite on its neck stabs it with a dagger and says fuck you shut up shut up and they're like

01:09:14.180 No, you're right.

01:09:14.640 You're right.

01:09:14.860 I'm sorry.

01:09:15.500 And that's actually what it's doing.

01:09:19.340 That's a very cool.

01:09:20.380 If we just explain it like that to people, everyone will get it.

01:09:24.260 That's how you learn.

01:09:25.040 That's how I learned.

01:09:25.680 My dad fucking burning cigarettes in my eyeballs.

01:09:28.140 No, not really.

01:09:28.940 But you get the idea.

01:09:30.020 That's how children learn.

01:09:30.940 This is the best argument against that gentle parenting shit.

01:09:34.640 Where it's like, no, you do learn through combat.

01:09:36.820 You learn math better with your dad grabbing you by the leg and throwing you through the drywall.

01:09:44.180 that prepares you for the rigors of entrepreneurship because that's guess what

01:09:48.600 that's my life every fucking day yeah um all right so moving on that's all interesting stuff

01:09:56.340 i love that but uh we have a bit of a show news to get to uh quite a bit you know we had the week

01:10:02.500 off so some interesting things happen so we have a couple of new articles up on the vanguardist

01:10:10.580 journal not vanguardsjournal.com but also our substack vanguardsjournal.substack.com a lot of

01:10:16.780 people prefer that one um it's the cross-generational power transfer engine i wrote with sean wyland

01:10:22.540 um i i encourage people to read that i think i might mention that last time i can't remember if

01:10:26.680 i did but that was a piece that was um a couple months in the making i worked with a couple people

01:10:31.340 on that too just sourcing information about basically how to practically uh appropriate

01:10:38.740 wealth from boomers we laid down in a very practical way is this is sort of the um extension

01:10:45.400 of that live stream we had uh passing the torch with you know john doyle and um uh steve saylor

01:10:52.800 and prudentialist and uh herb um herb yeah herb everyone's favorite my favorite fuck all y'all

01:11:00.740 um so this is sort of like okay what now how can you actually do this so check that out

01:11:05.300 And also one published just recently, Redemption Dictated Through Divine Bullies.

01:11:10.500 And this is a series I'm doing of shorter ones because these articles have tended to be longer,

01:11:16.600 sometimes up to 10,000 words.

01:11:18.480 These ones are going to be way shorter, a bit easier to read, less academic in their scope,

01:11:23.760 but just more fun.

01:11:25.400 And I think people have been liking them a bit more.

01:11:28.700 Also, there's a couple new episodes of Real Secret Coffee Hours,

01:11:32.760 which is our paywall show available on gum road and patreon i just uploaded two videos two new ones

01:11:40.300 because i felt like it every couple weeks we have a new one and there's something like 27 in there

01:11:45.300 right now if you sign up and you get the first 100 episodes of blood satellite behind that paywall

01:11:49.540 but i covered an article a sub stack written by paul fahrenheit and one i just mentioned earlier

01:11:57.300 written by Milo Yiannopoulos all about the alleged connection between America First and

01:12:04.580 Texas billionaire Israel money. So we go through that. Real Secret Coffee Hours is the leading

01:12:11.520 show for dissident feuds and angry substack reviews. So check that out. Also, another thing

01:12:20.380 that I've been doing recently, I did this last week, and this is a new show, or not even a new

01:12:26.660 show a new event that i'm going to be doing bi-weekly uh i host it on x you go on x i'm

01:12:32.740 hosting these live spaces called ad church ad church so i'm hosting these and you can check

01:12:39.260 our twitter i'm at legal ironic or you can check our telegram where you get our news and i'm going

01:12:45.300 to be posting when these are so you can do that or if you just follow us on twitter you'll get

01:12:49.400 the notification the whole idea was to have these informal spaces that are just about advertising

01:12:54.800 and marketing um because i get a lot of questions i'm inundated daily with people with marketing

01:13:01.160 advertising questions for their business a friend's business just ideas they've had so i

01:13:05.920 said well let's let's do a space where people can ask questions talk freely and um i'm going to be

01:13:10.640 bringing in people who work in marketing and you know we're just going to have fun with it but it's

01:13:15.400 kind of going to be about this topic so if you're interested in this at all from i guess a dissident

01:13:21.400 right perspective you know check it out and we're going to get weird with it we're going to get

01:13:25.720 esoteric we're going to start talking about all kinds of crazy shit the last the first one we did

01:13:29.260 man you would love this actually i don't know if you got you did tune in yeah you were there

01:13:33.660 talking about the whole pepsi universe one of the most you know ontologically unhinged things

01:13:41.280 i've ever read but it was like a pepsi rebranding campaign a real one an official one but it was

01:13:48.480 all about like fucking quantum singularities and light speed travel and like the history of

01:13:54.640 intellectual property all kinds of crazy shit that's crazy but we're also going to get into

01:13:58.940 practical stuff too so you know every two weeks i'm going to be doing one next week and it's gonna

01:14:04.080 gonna be fun um we've been talking about this behind the scenes um there's going to be some

01:14:11.180 changes to the show going forward um we're gonna stop doing certain things on the show

01:14:19.380 um and i'm curious i'm curious to hear your feedback about this we've talked about it in

01:14:23.860 our community i've spoken about it with judas um basically i took a look at the show and decided

01:14:30.720 how can i increase the things that i like and the things that i think work the best and kind

01:14:37.300 to get rid of the stuff that's some of the fluff you know for example i'm not sure that we're going

01:14:42.680 to do movie corner anymore some people some people don't like that more people were ambivalent

01:14:50.040 you know um especially if it's not a movie that you and i haven't seen yeah furthermore i might

01:14:58.280 and this will probably you know shock some people i may be doing fewer of the book reviews at the

01:15:06.360 end there's a couple of reasons for that one it's that uh it's getting harder to keep up with the

01:15:13.540 books given my schedule recently um and especially as the books are getting longer and longer and

01:15:20.140 just to spoil the next few episodes i was reading mein kampf by hitler uh the hitler

01:15:28.460 but that's like 800 pages we're gonna be covering um osterhamel's the transformation of the world

01:15:35.880 that's a thousand pages you know a lot of the books i'm getting into now you know the last

01:15:39.720 episode where i did spinal catastrophism you know some people didn't like that and it just

01:15:45.380 i'm not sure that that's the best format for these books and and with that in mind

01:15:51.240 something i'm going to be doing more in the future at least once a month minimum one a month is i'm

01:15:57.900 doing a regular show with the prudentialist who i've appeared on i've appeared on his show a few

01:16:03.740 times he's been on our show and for the past few times i've been on his show we've done book reviews

01:16:08.440 and so i think we're going to normalize that and just do a regular book review show where you both

01:16:16.340 read the books kind of weird difficult books and spend a good amount of time on them versus me kind

01:16:22.600 of speed running them on the show however i am going to still incorporate them i'm going to

01:16:29.060 incorporate the books in the discussion because i'm still reading them uh however they're probably

01:16:33.920 going to be significantly shorter you're not i i don't think you're going to see you know me spending

01:16:39.540 like an hour lecturing on the book while judas is basically silent um which i'm sure he you know

01:16:49.580 you enjoy but maybe i listen maybe that's not the best use of your time maybe that's not the best

01:16:54.740 form the show can be because to me i want to be judas maxing yes yes i want to spend more time

01:17:02.720 with you talking and less time just as me uploading shit into your mind and other people's

01:17:09.440 minds i anyway i think more like the the live streams which i have a great a great deal more

01:17:16.740 fun doing and a lot of people seem to like those um it's a bit more electric versus like here's

01:17:22.460 a segment where i just talked for last time was like a fucking hour and a half yeah a lot of

01:17:27.620 people don't know this judas wasn't even here for most of it he was here for the first half

01:17:30.940 and then literally the whole the back half of that review of spinal catastrophism was just me

01:17:36.420 sweating through my roots tracks who tried to figure out how do i make you cut the part when

01:17:42.400 where you said hey judas do you want you could you can go to bed if you want this is uh this

01:17:46.180 is getting this is getting wild yeah cut it and i'm like yep they think you were there the whole

01:17:50.680 time but i'm like i need to figure out how to make this into something that people can like

01:17:57.400 listen to and even then people like what is this marxist gobbledygook

01:18:01.680 so that might have been maybe that one broke me but i'm gonna be like for this episode we have a

01:18:08.360 couple more but that's just where my head has been at i'm trying to just rejigger the show

01:18:13.000 and you know another thing we've been doing is we made a note of i want to do less drama you know

01:18:20.120 for a couple episodes there we're talking about scene drama right and i do that on real secret

01:18:25.080 coffee hours like you want that go over there we're talking shit about people we're talking

01:18:30.740 about feuds and stuff i'm like but is that the best listening experience if i'm just like talking

01:18:35.500 about some guy who annoys me not you know the stuff at the top of this episode which was all

01:18:41.460 women being annoyed by me which is of course great a little different what do you think about

01:18:45.520 that what are your yeah i mean we talked about it a bit before and uh i kind of agree i don't

01:18:49.660 think there's anything wrong with the way we've been doing it but certainly there's there's a

01:18:53.140 little less work in the streams the streams are recorded anyways people can go listen to them

01:18:57.220 and i think uh to for me anyways the most fun is just us shooting the shit about whatever's going

01:19:02.400 on so yeah yeah and one thing is me trying to figure out how to make the streams a bit more

01:19:07.500 like the show uh up to and including having the background music up to including having

01:19:13.400 more clips that are

01:19:15.880 integrated more fluidly

01:19:17.580 there's a lot of elements of the recorded

01:19:20.080 show that I'm going to bring to the

01:19:22.020 live show to make it a more dynamic

01:19:23.900 experience that's

01:19:25.780 where my head has been at

01:19:27.640 to make the best show I think

01:19:29.920 we can so that's you know it's going to be

01:19:31.680 blood satellite forever

01:19:33.060 you know the ultimate goal

01:19:35.440 and I think we talked about this

01:19:37.660 I don't know if we talked about this publicly the ultimate goal is that we

01:19:39.680 start doing this in person live

01:19:41.700 yes I was going to say

01:19:43.180 live and from like a campfire or like when we're hiking or i want to do one live from and you're

01:19:52.140 invited you can come and watch it live you can come and visit and have a drink i think that

01:19:56.140 would be the i'm not even joking i think that would be the coolest fucking thing and in my mind

01:20:00.500 it's extremely cool and it's very fun and it's it's unlike anything you've heard before and so

01:20:07.060 we're kind of inching closer and closer to doing that but part of it is also kind of getting it

01:20:12.980 more manageable because it takes me like a day and a half to edit these as

01:20:17.560 they are.

01:20:17.980 And I need to bring that editing time down.

01:20:19.880 It's kind of ludicrous as it is,

01:20:21.540 but it's not going to be less sound effects.

01:20:24.600 I'll tell you that right now.

01:20:27.580 I'm going to lead into the book review,

01:20:29.240 which is a very fascinating book.

01:20:30.700 We'll get to in a second,

01:20:31.560 but I wanted to discuss just a couple of things I was reading that tie into

01:20:36.140 it thematically.

01:20:37.680 I'm looking at zero hedge right now.

01:20:40.420 um this would have been published august 25th titled the social recession is accelerating

01:20:46.980 social recession what is that never heard that before um authored by charles hugh smith

01:20:52.780 you know i it can't just say this it annoys me that on zero hedge everything's still tyler durden

01:20:58.840 can we can we just be done with that and i mean because he's the actual the guy isn't he like a

01:21:05.480 60-year-old Ukrainian guy.

01:21:07.360 Yeah.

01:21:07.780 What are we doing with the Tyler Durden thing?

01:21:09.840 That reference doesn't work.

01:21:11.060 And you have to have that and then actually written by this person.

01:21:15.600 You're not...

01:21:16.520 This is dumb.

01:21:18.140 I'm reading here.

01:21:18.720 A reader asked me about the term social recession, which he noted in my book.

01:21:24.500 What is he talking about here?

01:21:25.820 In my analysis, social recession refers to the narrowing of opportunities to marry and

01:21:31.560 raise a family, own a home, and have a secure livelihood from the vast majority of the populace

01:21:36.740 to an elite selected by fierce competition, a competition few have the means to win,

01:21:42.060 and the winners tend to win by choosing their parents wisely. In the purely financial economic

01:21:47.660 terms of growth of GDP, household income, corporate profits, and the value of assets,

01:21:53.540 the U.S. has only been in an economic recession for a few months in 2008 to 2009 and the start

01:22:00.380 of the lockdown but when measured by the ability of just about anyone willing to work hard and

01:22:06.140 practice basic frugality to buy a house and start a family the u.s has been a in a social recession

01:22:12.140 from 2009 and i think that's uh that that i think a lot of people have been intuiting that where

01:22:19.200 it's like technically if you go by what the economists say we're not in a recession we were

01:22:23.440 only in a recession very briefly but it feels like we're in a recession it feels like i can't

01:22:28.820 afford anything like i could before it is a recession and i think that the whole like to me

01:22:33.760 from a like a economics not that i know anything about economics but they keep juicing the cpi

01:22:41.020 numbers and changing the metrics and like for example in the u.s the jobs numbers like they

01:22:44.900 they'll just fucking fabricate the jobs numbers completely and then revise them 24 months later

01:22:50.140 and and like brush it under the rug but it used to be that the actual numbers represented real

01:22:56.820 things like your actual ability to buy things and do things in real life and now that they've

01:23:00.380 started juicing the numbers the numbers don't make any fucking sense but the reality is still

01:23:04.600 there that you can't afford a house you can't afford food you can't go on vacation nobody has

01:23:08.040 jobs like everything even the things that you can still buy things in the store but they even

01:23:13.040 though they might only cost 10 more their half is their half is good right everything's cheap

01:23:18.180 garbage and also everything everything's smaller too everything's smaller and things are shit like

01:23:23.320 they keep things actually keep getting worse like if you tried buying a pair of shoes lately

01:23:27.920 they just fucking disintegrate man everything is made of fucking paper and paraffin now so

01:23:32.880 i mean yeah it's it's getting it's getting crazy out there but no the economy is growing

01:23:38.920 i look around at you know what they'd like to sell uh children um especially if you're

01:23:44.120 the montessori style of raising a child which isn't as weird as the older montessori teaching

01:23:50.740 it's just like buying toys that encourage kids to interact with the toys not just an electronic

01:23:56.240 thing that beeps and hums and whizzes so like toys you would see in the 1800s here is a wooden horse

01:24:02.840 on wheels and stuff um it's 50 but it's 50 but also you look at the wood and it's that you know

01:24:08.580 you're a wood guy it's that type of wood where it's very clearly like layered and glued together

01:24:13.400 like what do you call that i could go off on this for fucking hours and i won't but suffice it to

01:24:17.400 say and i'll just i'll leave it at this there are specific um forestry markets globally which

01:24:24.080 provide almost all of the real wood that is produced globally there's a few places in the

01:24:29.300 world that produce it like in terms of forestry there's a few places in the world where the

01:24:33.200 factories are and everywhere else in the world is just fucking dead because there's no competition

01:24:37.280 because of globalism like canadian forestry products we're chopping down our pine trees

01:24:41.480 to essentially turn them into fucking wood chips and osb to make toilet paper they don't even use

01:24:46.640 it because this swar shit from malaysia grows twice as fast it's dog shit it falls apart and

01:24:51.780 rots in nine months but that's fine yeah anyways i said i wasn't gonna go into it but yeah

01:24:55.580 it's interesting like if you like to spend like a little bit of time on the wood because what i'm

01:24:59.760 noticing is like it'll look like wood but you look at it it's like stacked layers it's not solid

01:25:04.700 wood nothing's made of solid wood even that so like that's there's like obviously there's plywood

01:25:08.740 people are familiar with plywood right but we also have this thing called glue lamb now and

01:25:12.100 they even do glue lamb that's not even made of wood it's made of recycled wood or it's made of

01:25:15.380 like bamboo it which is bamboo is not wood it's fucking grass okay it's not a good everybody's

01:25:20.300 so strong no it's not when you cut it bleach it fill it with sulfur dioxide steam it and then

01:25:25.940 laminate it now it's just fucking it's mostly phenolic resins and formaldehyde like it's

01:25:31.040 garbage it's poison and yeah but the thing is is when you process it that way it's extremely cheap

01:25:37.640 especially if you have labor that you don't care about them dying at 25 from the poison

01:25:41.280 in malaysia or wherever so it's there's no fucking way you can compete with that and like you said

01:25:47.640 it's crazy because you see this stuff it's 50 bucks in the shop and the reason it's 50 bucks

01:25:51.600 in the shop is not because it costs them that to make it costs them a penny to make it but they

01:25:55.540 can charge 50 bucks because the we don't have that fucking technology in canada if we were going to

01:26:00.340 make an equivalent toy in canada we would be forced to make it out of a higher quality material

01:26:05.520 we would be forced to abide by canadian labor regulations in terms of you know hours and days

01:26:11.180 off and whatever else we'd be forced to pay insanely high taxes and at the end of the day

01:26:17.160 it would cost much more than 50 bucks it would be as it would be a product that would be a thousand

01:26:22.640 times better but it's illegal you know what it is they've made it illegal to have nice things

01:26:28.700 they've a saying you can't you can't have fucking nice things anymore the brand i'm thinking of

01:26:34.280 specifically it's called melissa and doug the melissa and doug i know the one yep right and

01:26:39.240 it's all made in china and if you look at it it's like china malaysia vietnam they have a couple of

01:26:42.880 different factories but that stuff is all made of glulam and if you ever see a piece that's made

01:26:46.760 of solid wood it's made of swarwood swarwood is a type of acacia which grows in tropical regions

01:26:51.680 you can get a tree that's like two feet across in like five years but it's pithy it's like a

01:26:56.220 fucking sponge of a tree it's not barely even wood you look at it it's like oh melissa and doug but

01:27:00.200 It's like Melissa, Xi, and Doug Ewan.

01:27:03.320 Yeah, exactly.

01:27:06.400 But it's funny because I look at the wood.

01:27:08.060 I'm like, okay, in your mind, you're like, oh, this is like a trad thing.

01:27:11.180 Wood, just like my grandparents.

01:27:13.240 They had these wood toys.

01:27:14.060 I'm like, this feels shitty.

01:27:15.940 It looks shitty, too.

01:27:17.180 It looks cheap.

01:27:18.980 But then they're marketing to us, like me specifically, because like, hey, it's better than plastic.

01:27:24.060 And I will say this is a marketer's thing that they did.

01:27:27.560 Like you were saying bamboo.

01:27:28.600 bamboo it's like they are selling you bamboo products based on it being exotic like ooh bamboo

01:27:34.920 it's renewable that's what i made like i make wooden toys for my kids because i have like i i

01:27:41.760 when we moved back one of the first things i did is i met this farmer who was pulling a cherry tree

01:27:46.300 out of a drainage ditch and i bought most of the dried lumber from him so i have a ton of black

01:27:51.900 cherry local black cherry and i was using the end cuts of it to make toys for my kids and wife and i

01:27:57.140 had this idea because home hardware was reopening a new location and they were looking for vendors

01:28:00.840 and we said oh we can we can make these toys and i made a jig and i could actually produce them at

01:28:05.640 a competitive rate and i put them all together and we actually signed an application we went to

01:28:10.000 home hardware we said will you carry these and they said it isn't about the product because they

01:28:13.240 do actually carry toys like it's like pv mart like they have like kids toys if they're like

01:28:17.460 local crafts and stuff they have it but they'll carry melissa and doug stuff mostly because

01:28:21.680 melissa and doug has all the certificates of like production and ironically all the stuff to do with

01:28:28.480 like whether there's phenolic in the paint and uh is it sourced sustainably and blah blah blah which

01:28:34.000 is all fucking fraudulent because it's from china you know they just make that shit up

01:28:37.260 i don't have that why because i'm a small craftsman and i'm making this stuff locally

01:28:40.620 my msrp would have been actually less like my cost to them would have actually been less but

01:28:46.620 they'll go with the chinese stuff from melissa and doug over me because of again of all those

01:28:52.600 other reasons they essentially the way this whole system is set up and like i was saying earlier

01:28:56.500 about the the narrative and politics thing is that it's designed to only allow things that are

01:29:03.140 shit and awful and too expensive for what they are like there's it's just inconceivable to them

01:29:08.060 to to to have a nice thing anymore it's just and i think that is what's affecting people because

01:29:13.980 going back to this article in zero hedge it says democrat demographics economics analyst chris h

01:29:20.140 recently posted charts which reflect the social recession most strikingly the collapse in the u.s

01:29:25.600 birthright that started when in 2009 he asked the largest childbearing population in u.s history has

01:29:33.620 gone on strike maybe we should know why some might argue that this decline in births is coincidental

01:29:39.160 to the global financial crisis but since social recession has its roots firmly in economic

01:29:44.440 opportunities available to the average worker that argument is specious so basically they're

01:29:49.420 saying like you know they always i talk about this in a vanguardist journal article i'm going

01:29:53.300 to publish soon in the coming weeks but um one thing that they've always tried to economically

01:30:01.220 or materially boost birth rates um they did this as far back as in rome but you can even do in the

01:30:07.700 u.s like are people you know i've got some friends fancy would be one who says like it's all

01:30:12.640 economics people are broke so they're not having kids i'm like that's kind of part of it but they've

01:30:18.700 done you know trials and experiments across time where it's like okay what if we just give them

01:30:23.140 land and you give out free land you give out tax breaks you give out material boons whatever it is

01:30:28.800 and it doesn't really increase the birth rate not substantially not in the way you would think so

01:30:33.880 it's like economics is tied to it but it's something deeper it's like yes you have money

01:30:38.400 however you can't use that money in any way that matters you see what i'm saying like yes i have

01:30:44.060 money but i can only buy garbage with it and i can't afford a house or if i can't afford a house

01:30:49.600 it's basically a mobile home or a trailer like that has an effect on people that makes people

01:30:54.640 not want to have kids where it's like who was i talking to i was talking to the laughing man

01:30:58.580 recently he went down to he spent some time in california recently the laughing man who runs

01:31:04.860 the sunfire society we've been on their show fantastic channel telegram he goes down to

01:31:09.800 silicon valley um and he's he's meeting people there people who got a doctorate and they work

01:31:16.160 at the big tech companies and they're making over 200k a year right but 200k a year and american

01:31:22.740 dollars by the way 200k a year ain't enough right to support a family and so he's got stories about

01:31:29.240 these guys making 200k a year two kids working for fucking google or whoever else they got to

01:31:34.380 move to the shitty side of town the rape side of town to afford a house and then they're thinking

01:31:40.300 like you know i make i i got a doctorate i went to stanford i did everything right and i paid off

01:31:46.120 my student debt how hard was that probably not easy but i'm like i gotta live next to fucking

01:31:52.160 crack addicts still what the fuck is any of this for that is the financial nihilism that is the

01:31:58.800 the social recession which is like i don't want to spend money in this system anymore right i don't

01:32:06.160 think i want and and the underlying problem is i don't know if i want to reproduce because i don't

01:32:10.740 see a way out of this i don't see a future here i would hope that people working in silicon valley

01:32:16.420 with Stanford degrees don't reproduce.

01:32:18.880 It would be good if the city burned and they died,

01:32:23.500 but I mean, not to take the wind out of it,

01:32:24.960 but just generally, if you have 200K

01:32:27.320 and you're complaining,

01:32:28.200 but you refuse to leave Silicon Valley,

01:32:29.760 you should probably shoot yourself.

01:32:32.140 You should probably shoot yourself.

01:32:33.540 Once again, the solution is suicide for the people.

01:32:37.260 Really, we would not have a housing crisis

01:32:39.100 if most people just killed themselves.

01:32:41.420 This would be over tomorrow.

01:32:42.660 you would stop having so many you know segregated and dispersed crises if we just had one good

01:32:52.100 crisis yeah just one good one crisis to end them all just one crisis i think they wrote a book

01:32:58.460 about this like one bad thing to buy them all together he says the social recession began as

01:33:04.580 a direct result of policy responses to the financial meltdown in 2000 and 2009 policies

01:33:09.820 that favored capital and those who already owned assets at the expense of everyone who did not

01:33:15.080 inherit wealth or assets or was too young to buy assets. And this is what we're talking about in

01:33:19.220 that Vanguard student article wrote with Sean Weiland about the cross-generational wealth

01:33:24.540 extraction plan. Basically, this is what you hear about when boomers holding on assets. How do you

01:33:29.640 get into this system? The financial system is arranged in such a way to prioritize those who

01:33:35.840 already have assets and to drive the value of those assets to kind of keep this fucked up

01:33:41.240 organism alive you know it's it's made to keep you out of it so you must find a way to break

01:33:49.000 into it but it's not going to be dispersed to you in any any such way anyway this has caused a

01:33:55.560 collapse in birth rates an increase of financial nihilism which we talked about last episode

01:34:00.780 however you read that and you can get cynical you can get morose even but then i'm looking at a post

01:34:10.120 here about uh the orania movement o-r-a-n-i-a orania movement uh in south africa have you heard

01:34:18.900 about this yeah for sure it's pretty it's beautiful yeah looking at an account called

01:34:24.220 volkstat the orania movement is mobilizing africaners to support the cause morally or

01:34:28.840 And financially, the more opportunities created for Afrikaners, the more will settle and the faster Oriana will grow.

01:34:35.400 It's already got 10,000 residents.

01:34:38.440 I'm hearing it described here as that Oriana is reverse engineering a traditional republic via the VAB Corporation that owns the town and its land.

01:34:48.600 Its head is a CEO.

01:34:50.440 Its economy is based on agriculture and thus land acquisition.

01:34:54.540 It issues its own currency, has a state religion, which is Calvinism, and a constituent ethos.

01:35:01.920 Houses form shares in the company and one is only allowed to buy a share or become a part of the corporate entity by fitting its standards for employees slash citizens.

01:35:12.260 Its ruler, the CEO, has to take counsel from his employees to develop it effectively to maximize profit and stability.

01:35:18.840 Because it's a closed system, it can issue its own currency from its own bank so that transactions cannot be taxed by an outside actor like the South African government.

01:35:28.740 Shareholders can vote on the board of directors to influence its politics.

01:35:32.460 It's sovereign.

01:35:34.720 In effect, it's sovereign.

01:35:36.440 Since a state is essentially a corporate structure, it lends itself well to creating miniature governments.

01:35:42.140 hence why in an age where exclusive white demographics and profit go hand in hand

01:35:46.520 capitalism offers the natural solution to white ethno-nationalism now that's uh written by an

01:35:53.440 account named blep sama um interesting interesting take but what you are seeing is here is a community

01:36:01.440 a real community that is growing its numbers it's expanding and it is revital it see i don't think

01:36:08.940 they've got a birth rate crisis i think they would answer the question we were just talking

01:36:13.780 about which is what makes people want to have kids um and i i'm not out here thinking that

01:36:20.260 every single one of these people is a fucking millionaire all right are they all billionaires

01:36:24.620 like or is there something else everything man it's holistic it's it's the how long do you have

01:36:28.960 to walk to worth and what's the weather like and does your neighbor wear the same socks as you and

01:36:32.720 you all have the same religion and what's on tv this morning what's the conversation you overheard

01:36:36.800 and you have a bus or like it's so many it's so many it's everything you know if you want to be

01:36:40.680 autistic about it is about economics but i mean the the truly right-wing take on economics is

01:36:44.840 economics is it's fucking everything man it's your relationship with your wife is economics so

01:36:48.660 um yeah all of those things have to work and the only way it ever works is i'm sorry but an

01:36:54.680 ethno state and that's not a white centric thing that's for anybody like the only way indian society

01:36:59.480 will ever work if it does is if it's just indians you know it you can't mix all of these groups

01:37:06.080 together and have it uh turn out the other thing i think that specifically to irania the secret

01:37:10.700 sauce there is that they're incredibly well armed and trained and the the force of 10 000 or i

01:37:17.560 probably 4 000 well-armed africans men is not something to be reckoned with by a totally

01:37:23.860 incompetent and you know uh you south african government that's constantly stuck up with

01:37:28.340 infighting i think there's a critical mass there if you were ever to do this in canada or in the

01:37:32.700 us where you'd have to build it quietly and by the time the government realizes it's there they have

01:37:38.260 to whitewash it and pretend it isn't there because they don't have the manpower to they'd essentially

01:37:43.460 have to ruby rigid and drop a fucking bomb on it this is what the south african government does not

01:37:48.520 want to talk about because they have this thing going on inside of it and they cannot they know

01:37:53.060 they cannot militarily go up against it would have to be an actual military action like they'd

01:37:57.060 have to drop bombs on it with planes and the only way they could do that is risk a huge international

01:38:01.240 incident so they won't and anybody anywhere can do this but again you have to reach that critical

01:38:05.660 mass i think there was probably a it was touch and go there when they were first starting out

01:38:09.740 but it turns out you get the right sort of men involved and it would come naturally to the right

01:38:18.220 type of man to want to take up arms to want to have a rifle and to train with it and to do

01:38:23.480 fucking crunches and pull-ups and like that all that stuff follows you actually don't need

01:38:28.700 a theory behind that it turns out when you answer for these few key things that stuff just happens

01:38:34.020 naturally and then it becomes a socially reinforced thing um and so i point to you talk about social

01:38:39.540 recession no one wants to do this but here's an example where they seem to be doing fine and their

01:38:45.720 birth rates seem to be going up whereas everywhere else is cratering and talk about the secret sauce

01:38:50.660 well that seems to be it yep and it does remind me of a book i read recently um we're on a bit

01:38:58.640 of an interesting arc right now. We are going to start, I guess we call it sort of a white

01:39:03.580 nationalism arc. It's a book that I really loved reading. It's by Richard Daré. It's called A New

01:39:10.120 Nobility of Blood and Soil. Born in Argentina on July 14th, 1895, Daré became significant in Nazi

01:39:18.160 Germany through his blood and soil philosophy. This ideology highlighted the bond between Germans

01:39:23.580 in their land, earning him the role of Reich Minister of Food and Agriculture in 1933.

01:39:29.560 His policies pushed for Aryan peasantry and self-sufficient agriculture.

01:39:34.260 He kind of addresses this problem too.

01:39:36.340 There's a lot of parallels with what Germany was going through at the time with what we're

01:39:41.960 going through right now.

01:39:43.720 And it pairs very well with Mein Kampf, which we're going to be getting to next time.

01:39:48.880 but this is more taking like it doesn't really talk about the jews it doesn't really talk about

01:39:57.060 politics that much what it talks about is the history of the german people and it talks about

01:40:02.720 how you might in my interpretation of this is how you would create a new german people

01:40:09.280 and this is something that even hitler talks about in mind comp uh quite often where he points

01:40:14.760 out that Germany, the German reunification or unification movement is still in its throes

01:40:21.180 that he looks at Germany at that time as an ununited, as a multicultural state. There

01:40:27.840 is no German homogeneity. That must be built, especially after World War I. And he looks

01:40:35.400 at it very practically. And this book looks at it very practically. And what does it ask?

01:40:39.720 It asks, who is our nobility?

01:40:43.020 We need a nobility to define what our people are, to bring people together and how to, you know, I see this book as a response, not even a response, but I hold this in higher regard than, you know, Bronze Age Mindset or Selective Breeding and the Birth of Philosophy by Constance Alamirio, which we discussed previously.

01:41:04.720 i think he used a lot of this book as his inspiration but he won't mention that

01:41:10.560 i think a lot of these guys from like the bapsphere they read these books but they didn't

01:41:17.580 want it to be associated with nazi writing right but they took a lot of the stuff that

01:41:22.520 was not really being talked about outside of this but um what they're talking about in this book is

01:41:28.540 how to eugenically breed a new type of german right and it has nothing to do with genocide

01:41:35.040 has nothing to do with mass murder but it has to do with you know identifying those traits you want

01:41:39.760 to maximize right and how can you materially reward that how can you encourage that in a society

01:41:46.600 so even says right here he says it is an indisputable fact of history that the growth

01:41:54.260 and prosperity of a people is directly related to the health of its nobility both physically and

01:41:59.220 morally a healthy nobility is capable of leading a people to the highest flowering of civilization

01:42:04.420 and government but it fails or you know but if it fails or perishes fate of the people will be

01:42:09.500 sealed if the people does not itself pull itself together in time to create a new class of leaders

01:42:15.000 but history also provides us with this fact where people had the will and the strength to replace

01:42:20.640 its degenerate or otherwise weakened nobility it was spared the fate of degeneration and was able

01:42:27.200 to assert itself in the struggle of the peoples for existence it must be emphasized that although

01:42:33.080 an upper class composed only of the best people is a leader class it's far from a nobility in the

01:42:39.280 german or germanic sense of the word because one of the characteristics of a german nobility

01:42:44.140 nobility is necessarily that measures are put into place to ensure the hereditary transmission

01:42:48.840 of his proven leadership so he's saying that look if you want a leadership class in the german

01:42:54.000 understanding of leadership it must be within the family it must be reproduced genetically it's not

01:43:01.020 a meritocracy as many modern people are saying you're not elected to it you know leadership is

01:43:06.960 transmitted you know through marriage and reproduction and whatnot and at various points

01:43:12.340 points to like we're he was trying to recapture a more ancient german nobility because well i found

01:43:19.140 that the germans and the nazis were not anti-christian they did look at the christianization

01:43:25.300 of germany as a corruption of its previous you know germanic nature its pagan nature

01:43:32.740 um and one thing he talks about in the book that's really interesting and hitler talks about

01:43:35.620 they all talk about this is the role of individualism in the german identity and you

01:43:42.440 ask a lot of people now and those point to the national socialist movement as like a collectivist

01:43:47.440 socialist force but you know not philosophically you know they prioritize individuality and the

01:43:54.620 the strength of the individual man as not only the head of his household but you know the genius

01:44:00.860 of the individual and how to you know maximize that it's not about leveling everyone you know

01:44:06.940 laterally in any way so and then they look back to the previous form of you know individualism

01:44:13.320 much like the vikings when you talk about and we talked about the vikings before but you just

01:44:17.060 speak about them you know their understanding of they had sort of a democratic system where

01:44:22.740 they did vote and they did allow for you know exchange and something like you could even call

01:44:29.920 contract law right but you know it wasn't you know it wasn't the sort of collectivist tribal

01:44:38.520 essence that even mcclellan talks about this like the western man he cannot lose his individualism

01:44:44.960 in the eastern sense or the aboriginal sense the aboriginal tribe is is like this interconnected

01:44:50.380 almost feminized matrix you know there is no warrior man who can stand apart from that you're

01:44:56.920 always infused with the group or the tribe but that was never natural to many of the

01:45:02.580 european men like we always had this you know not lust but this this drive for individual greatness

01:45:10.060 like that's coded into us you can never leave that i don't think a lot of the eastern people

01:45:15.420 can really apprehend that anyway um he goes on here he says all our historical german noble

01:45:23.340 privileges and conceptions are completely un-Germanic and are for the most part even

01:45:27.800 un-German and owe their origin to foreign ideas about rule and the leadership of the

01:45:32.500 people.

01:45:32.880 It must be said that during the millennium of the so-called Holy Roman Empire of the

01:45:37.740 German nation, the Germanic nature of our people, along with this nobility, was put

01:45:41.220 into a kind of straitjacket to an ever more pronounced degree.

01:45:45.340 in general he says the view prevails that the german christian nobility evolved gradually from

01:45:54.040 the pagan german nobility eventually forming the so-called german high nobility the middle ages

01:46:00.080 whose remnants were then buried in 1918 however this view overlooks a fundamental circumstance

01:46:06.340 the nobilities of the pagan german peoples and the germanic peoples who converted to christianity

01:46:11.100 no longer had the same conceptualizations and nobility

01:46:14.080 and, in essence, complete opposites.

01:46:16.640 The nobility of the Germanic peoples, like the Indo-European peoples,

01:46:20.780 was based on a knowledge of the hereditary inequality of human beings.

01:46:25.240 They drew the moral justification for the existence

01:46:27.640 and their breeding laws from sacred ideologies.

01:46:30.840 So, you know, you hear this argument all the time that, you know,

01:46:33.940 Christianity and the equality of all peoples

01:46:36.620 is counter to the historic understanding

01:46:39.980 of the inequality of all people.

01:46:41.460 So that's kind of what he's talking about there.

01:46:43.940 The Germanic nobleman had hitherto regarded himself

01:46:47.140 as a guardian of divine order placed in this world

01:46:49.820 via the continuing power of procreation

01:46:52.960 and originating from a divine ancestor.

01:46:55.900 With his conversion to Christianity,

01:46:57.940 he was completely and thoroughly deprived

01:47:00.140 of the moral ground of his own sense of self

01:47:02.840 as well as his social position in the nation.

01:47:06.300 Thus, the value of the noble birth was actually destroyed and thought, for everyone was now equal to every nobleman, in the competition for the salvation of the soul and the hereafter.

01:47:17.320 And he continues, what we Germans need is a genuine nobility in the old Germanic sense.

01:47:22.720 In some way, we must return to the Germanic concept of nobility is precisely the modern and progressive branch of our science, natural science, which has opened us up to paths that lead back to the morality of our German ancestors in a very interesting way.

01:47:38.420 Our new German nobility must again become a living source of highly bred leadership talents and must have institutions that retain blood of proven value in the hereditary line, repel inferior blood and guarantee the possibility of absorbing newly emergent talents from the people at any given time.

01:47:57.100 So he's saying we need a system of noble blood, but the ability to cycle in other leadership talents from the people.

01:48:03.820 um you know he goes on here he says since the house and the family associated with it as well

01:48:10.120 as the full legal freedom are the hallmarks of the german peasantry the land area of such germanic

01:48:15.440 peasant was only as large as as was needed to feed a family however a family at the time also

01:48:20.820 included unmarried relatives and servants so it was usually significantly larger than a family

01:48:26.680 today therefore germanic peasants were allotted land the size that ensured the family's nourishment

01:48:32.400 but had nothing to do with any kind of template or land distribution allotment so it's not like

01:48:37.740 you're you're a family you get everyone gets this plot of land it's like you get the amount of land

01:48:42.240 based on how big your family was and your family was like everyone like when they talk about the

01:48:48.100 house of you know the house of whoever the name is the house of hoffenstaffen or whatever you know

01:48:53.720 it's not just a house with a family the house was just a term to denote the entire extended family

01:48:59.080 cousins and uncles and aunts all living in what we might today call a compound and they define

01:49:05.040 your land allotment by how much land do you need to produce the food to sustain that family

01:49:12.580 which i think is an interesting way of allocating land which is not how our scientific land allotment

01:49:19.880 would be currently because i mean in the beginning before he talked about the whole you know including

01:49:24.280 emergent talent it seemed very like you're you're you're um out of the frying pan into the fire like

01:49:30.020 you don't like uh progressivism's individualism and equality you're trading it for pure eugenics

01:49:36.680 and i'm not denying that greatness is heritable it absolutely is sometimes heritable but there

01:49:42.400 are all kinds of cases of it not being inherited or it not being passed down there's all kinds of

01:49:47.600 cases of spontaneous greatness and in my view of the history of the great german houses and kings

01:49:54.960 and counts and lords across europe through the middle ages was yes there were great kings who

01:50:00.500 inherited their role from their fathers but there were also great raiders who became lords by

01:50:08.040 killing a weak count and then they became great kings right so you have to like it's implicit to

01:50:13.960 me yes you have to the if you have a great leader he ought he not ought he does have the right to

01:50:21.640 pass it to his son but his if his son is an idiot and and a robber baron comes in from the outer

01:50:28.800 provinces and puts his head on a fucking pike that guy is actually the true king now and you

01:50:34.220 can all shut up about it because he's the great one right so you you have to understand that that's

01:50:39.180 part and parcel with this you love the and i'm not saying no i actually like this system i just

01:50:43.300 want to make sure he's complete and it is complete because he mentioned you have to have a system

01:50:46.900 to to have people who have proven their greatness from outside that they can be inducted into the

01:50:51.900 system it'd be it'd be cool to do that with a limited amount of bloodshed but to be honest

01:50:55.800 i don't think i'd trust it if it had zero bloodshed yeah there should probably be a little

01:50:59.840 but that thing he says and this is very locked in its time so he would say that how do we start now

01:51:06.920 it's very practical he goes into detail about how all this should be run he actually gets into

01:51:11.440 the the definition of a hedgehofen which is like that's what you call your land and it takes this

01:51:16.400 many hedgehofen to form a council and then that count like it builds essentially the fascist

01:51:21.820 government through you know land ownership guilds and then there is like a a government a self

01:51:27.780 governance process there and then those interact with the state but you kind of break it off just

01:51:33.380 like the guild system would operate but he also says like look there are circumstances where your

01:51:38.820 daughter's got to inherit too like if you have a son who's killed or you just don't have sons what

01:51:43.360 are you going to do well you have your daughter but then here's the here's how you do that like

01:51:46.800 he goes into exhaustive detail on how this would be run um and one thing he talks about is and i

01:51:53.000 found this the most interesting part and i always come back to this which is that like i said it's

01:51:57.280 locked in its time because you had mentioned and i i think you do need a period of fantastic

01:52:03.100 violence because you do need the decrepit and degenerate leadership to be let's say just washed

01:52:09.720 away he would say that probably the the furnace of that for them was world war one he said well

01:52:17.020 how do you find the genetic stock how do you find the right people he said well let's start by

01:52:22.400 looking at the veterans of the first world war let's find those germans who not only fought and

01:52:26.920 died fought not fought died but fought and survived you know not the cowards not just people who

01:52:31.880 survived but fought and survived so that means they have sort of a nationalistic zeal they've

01:52:37.380 been tested they're battle tested and they're virile they're probably young they say yo these

01:52:43.580 people should be granted land and basically wives and like take these people and just put the full

01:52:50.200 weight of the state behind their reproduction so it's not like we're going to give land to whoever

01:52:55.940 the fuck we're going to take the most vital and young people at the in the prime breeding ages

01:53:00.780 that have the qualities that we like,

01:53:02.980 the leadership qualities, the survival qualities,

01:53:05.580 give them land and let them start to generate themselves.

01:53:09.680 And we kind of let them go.

01:53:11.700 And then we just, and that's the foundational stock

01:53:14.040 and we let that reproduce over time.

01:53:15.540 And then, like you had said, over time,

01:53:17.840 we will try and cycle in new bloods

01:53:19.640 because over time it will become decrepit.

01:53:22.080 Just like a lot of aristocracies,

01:53:23.900 that's how their story ends,

01:53:25.000 with inbreeding, with genetic defects, with ineptitude.

01:53:29.160 We see that even now with our great noble families, how many families are started by a great grandfather, then his son is just kind of stupider, and then his grandchildren are just absolute degenerate losers.

01:53:41.560 And the reason that was allowed to happen is because these states became so large that they were unassailable just by virtue of their technology and how much money they had.

01:53:48.800 So those those weak little princelings were never in any risk of somebody literally chopping their arms off and using them as toys, which is what would have happened to their great grandfather if he was if he was that weak.

01:53:59.560 But the reason her great grandfather was alive is because he was actually a great warrior and a great leader and was, you know, and was clever.

01:54:06.480 But, you know, that doesn't always last.

01:54:09.360 So, yeah, like you have to find those like hedge knights and patronize them and give them a home and give them, you know, build, like you said, build them up and give them the opportunity to prove themselves.

01:54:19.620 And I mentioned this in the article that I'm going to publish soon, but everyone kind of believes this.

01:54:25.940 I would say that liberals even believe this.

01:54:27.660 Like they will say they're against eugenics.

01:54:30.840 No one can seriously be in favor of eugenics now, even though everyone is.

01:54:34.800 what i find with liberals and progressives especially is that they will just redefine

01:54:40.060 it as behavior i think this is a white person i think it's a european thing to believe that

01:54:45.560 maybe some people shouldn't reproduce right but they'll say that that's kind of what undergirds

01:54:50.940 the abortion argument like i don't want to have kids unless i'm financially secure right which

01:54:57.400 seems to imply that if you're not financially secure you shouldn't have kids which in and

01:55:02.300 they're using financial security, quote unquote, financial security, to imply a lot of other

01:55:06.860 behaviors. Like, oh, if you're not financially secure, you must be dumb. You must be fucking

01:55:11.160 brown. You know what I mean? Like, they won't say that, but they're kind of binding that up in that.

01:55:16.940 That's what they believe anyway. But they seem to understand, like, there exists in their mind

01:55:21.200 this idea that certain people shouldn't reproduce based on certain behaviors and certain identities.

01:55:26.440 so everyone believes this about different people however it's the most obvious thing in the world

01:55:32.340 like we we understand that there's certain people who have proven themselves and they're smart and

01:55:38.580 capable and maybe they are just tall and handsome and beautiful or whatever and it's like yeah we

01:55:43.340 should have more of them it would make sense like take the smartest guy and if that guy's got nine

01:55:48.460 kids good we need more we need more of that guy that's what you say how do you get more of that

01:55:53.800 guy well you know have him raise kids and hopefully he can do it but but if you if you help him be

01:56:00.540 able to raise them if you give them the security and you you're convinced that that guy's got

01:56:05.060 leadership qualities that's right then then you should have more of them wouldn't be great the

01:56:09.480 whole country was him you know you hook that guy up with peter thiel you give him a million dollars

01:56:13.520 you send him to dime square you set him up with like a tranny hooker and then he tries to get her

01:56:18.560 pregnant repeatedly that's how you do it oh no sorry i thought no we're not going with constance

01:56:22.680 No, we're going with this one.

01:56:24.360 Sorry, I got confused.

01:56:26.420 He says here, the idea of creating a new nobility on the basis of recognized heredity seats had already been brought to fruition in the European state, Hungary.

01:56:36.200 Horthy wanted first and foremost to counter the destructive ideas of Bolshevism, which threatened Hungary.

01:56:42.580 Bolshevism is, in its deepest sense, nothing more than tartarized Marxism, meaning modern nomadism.

01:56:48.840 Horthy concluded that the frontline soldiers that had proven itself in the four difficult years of the war undoubtedly represented a selection of the people with genuine strength of character and useful leadership abilities.

01:57:01.980 At least he did not think that he was making a mistake when he tried to preserve the humanity of the frontline soldier in as many descendants as possible for the Hungarian state.

01:57:10.880 He gathered proven frontline soldiers of the World War, namely officers, non-commissioned officers, and enlisted men into a hero's cooperative.

01:57:19.760 A member of a hero's cooperative was rewarded with a small estate, a so-called hero's or noble domain.

01:57:26.840 A title of nobility is attached to the noble domain.

01:57:30.480 The heir is generally the eldest son.

01:57:32.420 If there are no physical, mental, or moral reservations against him, there you go, that's one of your concerns,

01:57:38.400 in accordance with the feudal nature of the entire system and air siblings are not compensated but

01:57:44.400 the brothers provided they are suitable are given preference in the civil service or an allocation

01:57:49.980 in a new noble domain you hear that i'm like well that's a good that's a good system at least that's

01:57:56.100 a place to start now the question is can we replicate that now we don't have a world war

01:58:01.620 the types of wars we're fighting uh the armies are filled with degenerates not all of them but

01:58:07.760 even veterans would agree that that the new crop going in isn't great the types of wars we're

01:58:12.640 fighting now are increasingly like drone warfare and like weird shits happening it's neurological

01:58:18.960 warfare so the type of wars that we're fighting are maybe not producing the types of people that

01:58:26.580 you want but there's got to be something so maybe that is some other genetic bottleneck

01:58:32.500 you know we talked about before maybe that's what we're going through right now

01:58:35.580 it's the people and i you know this will sound like i'm trying to um big up our audience but

01:58:41.440 odds are if you're listening to this show you are the type of person who should have nine kids

01:58:47.260 you you are the the vanguardist type you are the type of mind who's trying to jack into

01:58:54.740 something do you might very well have leadership qualities if you're asking these questions you're

01:59:00.500 on the right path if you can in this world attain a level of discipline and vigor and vitalism and

01:59:08.780 and take ride the tiger as it were you might need to do that from an entrepreneurial sense without

01:59:15.040 the support of the state at present but you will be the type of person to survive this genetic

01:59:20.900 bottleneck of widespread abortion deaths of despair plastic in the balls suicide you name it

01:59:28.620 right? If you can survive that, that, that might be the genetic war that you're fighting right now.

01:59:35.600 And I don't have time this episode to go into the details about how estates would be run and how

01:59:45.120 they'd be organized. There's a lot of detail given to here's how you actually structure the family

01:59:49.360 unit. Again, encourage people to read this book. I'm trying not to go too long with this. I'm just

01:59:54.940 to get the broad strokes about why i think this matters um but it's very similar to how if you

02:00:01.820 understand how fascist or societies are run like the true state by othmar spawn which we discussed

02:00:08.140 we also discussed qaddafi's green book it's similar to that although it's in more detail

02:00:13.660 here and that's one thing that always struck me that never gets brought up about you know how

02:00:18.540 call pro-science but like science in the sense of this is something that is practical and

02:00:25.680 immediate that we can do now when people speak about you know the plans of the nazis they always

02:00:32.260 speak in very vague terms as if they were just driven by a diluted insanity a bloodlust but it's

02:00:39.020 like no if you actually just sit down and read what they wrote it's very sensible it's very

02:00:44.200 practical it's not negative it's very optimistic it's generative it's like how the fuck do you

02:00:51.140 save this nation this multicultural obliterated nation that's driven to the brink of destruction

02:00:57.060 well here's how you can start today with the money you have with the people you have and it

02:01:02.220 might you might need a longer time horizon for this but if we start now we can accomplish

02:01:06.500 something you know and i think they don't want people knowing how reasonable these ideas were

02:01:13.020 you know yeah yeah i mean these ideas these ideas were being executed and they were quite

02:01:19.960 successful for a thousand years more than a thousand years i mean how long has this been

02:01:23.900 going on this is yeah this is a flash of the pan yeah that's something like this is how

02:01:27.860 these civilizations were structured he goes into it here he says i can propose the following just

02:01:32.900 as the nobles are united in a noble cooperative so also do the hedgehof which is sort of the land

02:01:40.000 itself become the property of the noble cooperative however the noble cooperative would not be in a

02:01:45.040 cooperative in the modern sense but in the sense of an old german corporation in the german old

02:01:51.080 german corporation the multiplicity of individuals that it was composed of were not irrelevant but

02:01:56.360 actively shaped the inner life of the association and regulated it through self-development corporate

02:02:01.480 law the nobleman on a hedge off is a member of a cooperative in the sense he bequeaths the

02:02:06.300 membership and to it the use of the hedge off to a son or if he's denied this to another male

02:02:11.540 member of his family provided that the heir meets a minimum requirements of the body mind morals

02:02:16.560 laid down by that cooperative so you see like it's not just the man's a king of the land he does

02:02:22.940 whatever he wants like there is something like i wouldn't even call it a democratic process it's a

02:02:28.280 feudal process but it's not totalitarian because i think that's what people think when they hear

02:02:33.000 feudal. They think it's associated with a totalitarianism, but it's really just a more

02:02:39.060 self-policing organism that makes sense. It's built around the family.

02:02:46.020 He advocated for the redistribution of land from large landowners to create new farms and pushed

02:02:51.460 for the implementation of the hereditary farm law Reixerb-Hofgesets, which transformed most

02:02:56.480 small farms into hereditary estates. This law, while protecting small farmers from foreclosure,

02:03:02.320 bound them and their descendants to their farms indefinitely.

02:03:05.800 He goes in a bit more detail here for people who are spurrings about this.

02:03:09.160 He says, local hedgehog are grouped together in a land shaft.

02:03:12.380 The professional and the social self-government tasks are managed by the Council of Nobles.

02:03:16.860 The Council is the sum of all the noblemen and retired noblemen in a land shaft.

02:03:21.460 The Council is led by the aldermen and his two council assistants.

02:03:24.940 The actual administrative tasks are carried out by the Council Chancellery.

02:03:29.180 Several landshafts together form a gow.

02:03:31.400 The professional self-governance tasks of the Gao are assumed by a chamber of the Landschaft, and so on and so on.

02:03:37.480 The House of Nobles manages the social self-governance.

02:03:40.400 He lays this out in a schematic, and that's why I like, this is a schematic you can fucking use.

02:03:48.260 You can take this and model it to whatever your modern circumstances are.

02:03:51.940 So for people who are wondering, oh, I want to start a parallel society, fucking read this.

02:03:59.180 this is how you do it on us on a small enough scale i'm not saying that's what orani is doing

02:04:05.440 like they seem to be working sort of like a corporate structure but the corporation or the

02:04:10.820 the corporation is an old idea the corporation isn't just this financial institution to

02:04:16.440 create surplus of capital it's it's a different sort of human organization that's way older than

02:04:22.820 you might think um and he just goes on and i'll just kind of end on this because he gets into the

02:04:28.840 breeding aspect he says for our ancestors the concept of breeding applied within the framework

02:04:33.660 of acceptable possibilities um accordingly yeah he says basically our ancestors the concept of

02:04:41.820 breeding applied within the framework of acceptable possibilities related to the procreation of

02:04:45.940 things so fornication was for having kids the idea of separating sex from reproduction was insane

02:04:53.500 um the opposite of breeding in the sense was called unschutz which is just uh uh fornication

02:05:00.580 just for the fun of it fornication for all acts of sexual intercourse which grossly violated

02:05:05.320 the limitations set on sexual intercourse by the people's moral views and customs

02:05:09.680 by combining breeding objectives with class privileges the old german marriage law acted

02:05:14.460 like a filter which only allowed performance tested blood to produce fully legitimate children

02:05:19.800 It also provided a safeguard that protected the tested blood to such an extent that times of struggle and privation did not have a negative effect on the founding families.

02:05:30.000 He says, today, instead of breeding people, we merely reproduce people.

02:05:34.020 And that's a line I really liked.

02:05:35.560 We just reproduce.

02:05:36.540 We don't breed.

02:05:37.120 So we don't care about who's reproducing or why.

02:05:39.780 Which is why we kind of subconsciously accept that, oh, dumb, poor people, of course, have bigger families and smart people have smaller families.

02:05:47.160 Well, why is that?

02:05:47.960 why why shouldn't you know smart people or capable people have better families and then you know

02:05:55.320 money is allocated to them like it shouldn't just be the grifters and con artists who accumulate the

02:06:00.260 most money and then also can have the most kids or just the dumbest reckless degenerates have the

02:06:07.060 most kids right it seems to be that the people who should be having the most kids are having the least

02:06:11.600 how do you fix that so it says we don't breed people we only reproduce people we are amazed

02:06:18.160 that german customs dwindle more and more having large numbers of children alone is of no use to

02:06:23.520 us it depends entirely on the quality of the genetic inheritance of the children and this

02:06:29.080 is something that i've gotten in trouble for before because if you look around our this thing

02:06:33.600 of ours it's what everyone should have the most children possible i've gotten in debates with

02:06:38.540 people about this you know it's like you need to be child maxing everyone should be having ted kids

02:06:43.760 to create the white european biomass and there was always something that just it just didn't work

02:06:50.860 with me you know it didn't it didn't grab me like that because i'm like well we don't want just

02:06:55.080 we're too used to talking to our own people there are those among us who should have 15 kids and

02:07:00.100 there's those among us who should have six and there's some who should have none so it's not

02:07:04.480 just everybody that is a white thing that's the whitest thing saying that that that guy's a

02:07:09.680 fucking idiot he shouldn't have kids just even though he's white even though he might be handsome

02:07:14.120 right that's not enough yellow wolf should have maybe two kids yellow wolf is one of the

02:07:20.700 great songwriters of our time i reject that i resent that uh humiliation but um the idea is

02:07:31.180 like as like white men we don't need to say every white guy should have just there's fucking guys

02:07:36.900 with like retarded face tattoos who are absolute degenerates we need to filter those people out

02:07:42.620 the thing that got us where we are today is our filters is our reproductive filters and we used

02:07:47.580 to just kill the criminal element we used to kill or exile the degenerates they didn't reproduce

02:07:52.560 that's what we used to do and if we stop valuing those filters then we're just kind of collectivist

02:08:00.160 we're thinking like brown people we're thinking like you'll hear people say that we need to be

02:08:04.760 like the muslims everyone should be having 10 kids well muslims are fucking fat welfare queens

02:08:10.400 we actually don't like fat welfare queens and that's okay you know that was what that whole

02:08:16.720 remember that oliver anthony song that uh you know folk song by the the redheaded guy everyone hated

02:08:22.960 him because you know he's talking about you know southern pride and working class stuff but he was

02:08:28.040 also denouncing you know these welfare fellow whites his fellow whites who are fat and eating

02:08:34.860 all their fudge rounds they're like oh fuck him he's counter signaling white people like no no no

02:08:39.260 we need we need to counter signal fucking people the white people who are on my 600 pound life

02:08:46.200 fuck them i hope they die anyone who's been on a tlc reality show i hope they fucking die

02:08:52.960 that i don't think they should i don't see i see them as refuse i cast them away it's black people

02:08:59.820 who will jump to defend any black people at all times yeah i mean if you're talking eugenics you're

02:09:06.740 talking essentially about like case selection right it's the the total inverse of just have

02:09:10.920 as many children as possible it's it's the reign of uh of quality over quantity is what we're aiming

02:09:16.900 for here exactly and i guess that's all i really needed to talk about today and he also mentions

02:09:21.680 caste was like oh is this a caste system he said caste systems only make sense when there's two

02:09:27.460 different races or ethnicities which is historically how it was done he's like you know you don't need

02:09:33.300 a caste system in something like this you actually have when it's more homogenous in some sense you

02:09:39.040 could have a more horizontal type of society even though there's hierarchies within that but you

02:09:45.020 don't get this like stratified caste system unless it's a conqueror and conquered relationship um

02:09:52.660 and he just ends it here i'll maybe we can end on this he says the german state the third reich we

02:09:57.880 are striving for cannot be realized by breeding for a certain physicality alone therefore it's

02:10:04.840 our duty to imbue the spirit of the growing german youth with the genuine german political concept

02:10:10.140 the leadership of a people by its nobility is basically only possible in two ways either the

02:10:15.660 nobility compels the people to follow its leadership by virtue of some kind of force

02:10:20.480 or the nobility is leadership expression of the people's will and it's a genuine nobility of the

02:10:26.260 people and thus to a certain extent acts as the most perfect embodiment of the people's spirit

02:10:31.480 that's really what he's trying to accomplish here that's what they're trying to do with this

02:10:35.740 this crazy thing called the third reich um until this uh this churchill guy came along

02:10:42.240 anyway but i would recommend people read this book because i think

02:10:46.280 it clarifies the discourse around this it's it's far more acute and granular than you would think

02:10:54.260 he gives a model for how to fucking do this and gives examples about how it's been done like this

02:10:59.880 before and how it succeeded and i think you can scale it with modern technology i think you can

02:11:04.860 strengthen it with modern technology as long as and you can't start it from a the position we're

02:11:12.160 at right now where everything seems lost like how do you how do you gather together the nobility

02:11:16.380 because the nobility is the starting place that's kind of what you mean by ethnogenesis you're making

02:11:21.020 a new people and maybe this new people has to once again go through that genetic bottleneck it needs

02:11:28.160 conflagration where a lot of people

02:11:31.020 need to die out but you

02:11:32.320 you will kind of act as

02:11:35.040 the new founding stock of this

02:11:37.140 new group which is what he was

02:11:38.900 talking about doing in Germany in the

02:11:40.640 early 20th century anyway

02:11:41.920 we'll end there because I gotta get going

02:11:44.320 thank you so much for taking the time to listen

02:11:47.180 yeah no worries man thank you it was good

02:11:48.740 we'll talk to you soon

02:11:58.160 and maybe i seem a bit confused yeah maybe but i got you and i am here with a very fascinating

02:12:08.760 individual this is someone i have met in our community um and i've known him how long would

02:12:15.520 you say we've known each other a few months or is it longer i've had a parasocial relationship

02:12:20.940 with you for like maybe half a year and i joined a chat like three months ago hey a parasocial

02:12:27.720 relationship is a two-way street. And you've been in our communities and you've had so many good

02:12:32.760 stories and you have that unique skill that you're able to correct me on my bullshit in a way that

02:12:39.980 does not make me feel agitated and anxious. And that's a rare skill to have. I'm speaking here

02:12:46.180 with a good friend of mine by the name of Jordan. And you're so gracious to take the time to speak

02:12:52.480 with me on a topic that i find personally very fascinating we haven't really covered on the show

02:12:58.640 before and just off the bat i would say you are a new zealander would that be correct yeah yeah i

02:13:06.260 am you can tell by my accent here's the thing a lot of people can't and i'm thinking australian

02:13:13.360 off the bat and a lot of people are and does that fill you with rage when you hear me say that

02:13:18.860 a little bit just a little bit the thing is you know it's like differentiating between

02:13:24.940 canadian accents i know there is some difference between the west of canada and the east of

02:13:29.440 canada but to to me you sound the same you know what i i i believe that because even for me there's

02:13:38.300 not a huge difference between canadian accents there's the one you would hear in a show like

02:13:42.380 trailer park boys that to me is the standard one and then the rest is just kind of a smear from

02:13:48.520 that but i remember watching like flight of the concords back in the day and that was always uh

02:13:53.000 a riff they would have that they hate there's like a rivalry between new zealand and australia

02:13:57.640 but we have so much in common and i guess that's why i find interesting and we never really talk

02:14:02.520 about new zealand it never comes up we mention australia we'll mention the uk obviously but new

02:14:09.240 zealand is very very close to what we're dealing with in canada do you think that's a correct

02:14:15.160 assessment yeah i'd say we're south canada yeah so i know you had had a you made mention

02:14:22.440 of a figure that we've mentioned only briefly on the show before uh and that would be the

02:14:28.780 would that be the former leader uh jacinda arden jacinda arden yeah yeah so uh she was our prime

02:14:38.440 minister she's very much like trudeau we can get into her if you want but i think we should

02:14:42.040 um i think for perspective of the audience we have to kind of clear some ground to understand that

02:14:48.560 uh you've got to understand that she's a blairite that she comes out of tony blair's world

02:14:55.160 and she's one of these people who has an incredible ability to communicate like she's very good at the

02:15:03.100 24 7 media cycle and i don't know if it's the same as trudeau but i am aware that trudeau has

02:15:07.980 a similar background as a theater teacher from what i understand yes yeah and he's just um a

02:15:13.800 drama kid and he's sort of failed laterally as many drama kids do yeah so it's the right the

02:15:21.460 communications class is what i call them this is like the subset of people who really are the it

02:15:27.880 is the theater kid type but it's the sort of person who knows how to articulate a point to

02:15:32.400 just right in the right way to either trigger the right things or to say nothing with so many words

02:15:38.840 and they seem to be becoming like a very dominant type in politics i think because of the 24 7 media

02:15:44.700 cycle and so um i think foreign audiences have a very distorted view of her um i think internally

02:15:54.540 interesting yeah and also let me just say that jacinda she's an interesting case because

02:15:59.400 there have been so many women especially in politics over where we live that are terrible

02:16:05.960 in front of a camera kamal harris comes to mind also hillary clinton there's not a lot of women

02:16:11.420 so when you see one like jacinda who's actually just not bad in front of a camera it seems like

02:16:17.020 she's weaving some kind of magic over you well what it is i think is she's got uh she's got like

02:16:24.220 a sort of female charisma it's not like a demanding charisma but it's like a um she comes

02:16:32.540 across as a sort of upstanding person you know what i mean and she was marketed in 2017 with a

02:16:38.740 term they used called jacinda mania which was like it was it was a totally astroturf media term

02:16:43.840 because the media wanted to select in uh a labor government we have a similar party name it's

02:16:49.240 obviously the left with leftist party which is labor um and she was forefronted because she's

02:16:55.240 very articulate she's very capable her background is she worked as a comms person for the tony blair

02:17:00.920 regime so one of the unspoken parts about new zealand is if you want a political career if you

02:17:04.880 want to get into the sort of higher elite here you go overseas in your 20s and work in big

02:17:10.540 institutions overseas and then come back so you'll find a lot of our elites have masters from british

02:17:16.720 universities or american universities just like you're from like north korea and china too

02:17:21.300 yeah yeah yeah it's very similar it's a it's just because it's so small you're talking about a

02:17:25.160 country of five million people you can't really stand out um unless you've really gone overseas

02:17:31.160 if you if you really want to advance yourself and so she comes out of that was kind of thrust

02:17:37.020 into parliament um very much kind of an inner circle person her entire time and uh came in

02:17:45.300 she really wasn't the policymaker behind that government either she was just the person who

02:17:49.400 sold the goods very similar to to trudeau in that sense yeah like i don't think she was really the

02:17:55.680 one doing the governing from what i understand in canada uh it's uh i think his deputy prime

02:18:00.880 minister a woman called christina freeland yeah christia freeland yeah she's widely regarded as

02:18:06.440 what you might call the brains behind it or her and you know a behind the scenes managerial elite

02:18:12.940 whatever you want to call them yeah so um it's a similar thing and we had a um sodomite by

02:18:22.040 by the name of grant robertson who was the real power and the real decision maker behind that

02:18:29.520 administration um and i can tell you i know because i have a lot of family who work in that

02:18:34.560 in government and they interacted with them directly and he was the one sort of chasing

02:18:39.180 everyone up he was the sort of back-end workhorse making sure policy got through and so on

02:18:42.940 um so anyway just just for perspective so she starts off uh she's basically unbelievably popular

02:18:50.700 like she just like hits the moon in popularity and she's sold to the public as the sort of uh

02:19:00.620 hero savior a lot of the marketing was around um you know child poverty resolving battles with

02:19:07.100 child poverty and uh sort of environmentalism in the easy win space so stuff like you know

02:19:14.660 banning plastic bags and uh getting rid of plastic straws and shit sort of irrelevant stuff

02:19:21.580 well small piece small small wins for them right and they had a relatively moderate initial term

02:19:29.820 but what happened during that initial time is we obviously had the christchurch massacre as well

02:19:36.980 and then we had the COVID lockdowns.

02:19:41.000 And I think one thing that has to be understood

02:19:43.260 in that space is the regime went

02:19:45.900 from being relatively benign

02:19:47.120 to because they believed in their own moral righteousness

02:19:51.000 becoming unbelievably tyrannical.

02:19:54.500 And it exited office last year in October

02:20:00.080 losing over half their vote in a single election.

02:20:03.980 and internally the party has more or less collapsed um like and that's something i like

02:20:10.240 to call attention to a lot of people look at the what was undertaken during covid as sort of

02:20:16.860 cynical machiavellianism but there are individuals and there are groups that really believed in what

02:20:22.320 they were doing and she paid the price because if she was just this cynical machiavellian

02:20:27.440 individual then the party wouldn't have collapsed due to their overreach right well it's a case of

02:20:33.040 a catastrophic success so like if a one over 50 of the vote for the labor party you had a shelling

02:20:39.540 point where people were like labor's going to win so let's just not vote for the nets people who

02:20:43.900 would normally vote for the center right and all vote for the center left to just exclude uh the

02:20:49.080 sort of more radical party which is the greens who are sort of um they're watermelons that they're

02:20:54.320 sort of uh green on the outside but they're basically just marxists hard leftists on the

02:20:58.420 on the inside in terms of policy we have the exact same thing here and i've never heard that

02:21:03.160 term before calling them watermelons and i'm going to start appropriating that that's good

02:21:07.020 yeah but so basically what you had is um i think you know if we think about in terms of governance

02:21:15.980 right if you're if you're a government you want to be as beneficial to as many people as possible

02:21:19.980 you want to punish as few people as possible and you want to solve as many problems through

02:21:23.740 governance as possible and i think what happened with with her is because she believed in her

02:21:29.560 immoral righteousness and the media literally could not stop worshipping her and she she could

02:21:35.660 do nothing wrong for years um when they started persecuting people specifically after the christ

02:21:42.140 church massacre in which they they went after white nationalists you know white nationalists

02:21:45.680 are kind of small group they're obviously not exactly popular and they and basically one of

02:21:51.060 the things that happened is i think they felt that they succeeded in that like for perspective

02:21:54.280 they i think they put something like 70 percent of the domestic intelligence focus on white

02:21:59.760 nationalists for a year um which is a crazy amount you probably have like one agent per actual

02:22:05.880 active guy for a year straight which is just a crazy amount but because they felt they succeeded

02:22:11.620 in that when it came to covid and when they you started to see people rejecting a lot of the covid

02:22:17.300 imposition specifically around the vaccination stuff they felt they could just ratchet up the

02:22:22.660 um the tyranny and because there was no real understanding of who the people who were

02:22:28.100 quote-unquote anti-vaxxers were um they they applied a lot of uh coercive persuasion like

02:22:36.100 things like you you couldn't work in a job um in an office or certain spaces unless you had

02:22:41.460 been vaccinated a number of times um you couldn't do you know i think there's pretty much standard

02:22:47.780 everywhere but the gist of it was um it created she created a huge number of internal enemies

02:22:55.620 uh like she created a lot of enemies with farmers she created a lot of enemies with

02:22:59.220 all sorts of different individuals who more or less um ended up forming a loose coalition

02:23:06.020 which in february of 2020 about the same time that you guys had your trucker protest and i think

02:23:09.700 inspired by the truck protest descended on our parliament here and gathered 10 000 people in

02:23:16.660 total roughly over the period of three weeks who uh more or less broke the back of that government

02:23:22.100 uh by occupying parliament for that time uh to the point that she she resigned later in the year

02:23:27.620 she made all the concessions to get rid of all the covert lockdown stuff they stopped pushing

02:23:31.860 most of their tyrannical agenda and they were polling at incredibly incredibly weak levels

02:23:37.700 like 20 support down from 50 um i i don't know if it compares to the canadian experience but i

02:23:46.500 get the impression that it's similar with trudeau being widely hated um it's interesting that yeah

02:23:53.140 they sound very comparable i'm just showing a video on screen right now for people uh who are

02:23:58.700 listening in uh showing the uh new zealand covet 19 uh thousands protest new zealand's covet 19

02:24:06.360 mandates looks like one of the larger protests we've seen around that i actually didn't hear

02:24:11.480 much about this maybe we're talking about the trucker protest the entire time but uh it is

02:24:16.520 interesting that yours had the desired effect and ours did not because everyone pretty much

02:24:21.520 wanted trudeau to resign and he's still hanging around but it's interesting that with her like

02:24:29.660 did she admit defeat like if she just did not admit defeat if she kind of stayed strong do you

02:24:37.040 think she could have kept a lot of stuff there or did what is that a mark that she was a true

02:24:42.500 believer that she kind of apologized so i think the way done she didn't really apologize she

02:24:48.840 never made the concession i think she believed fundamentally in the you know trusting the

02:24:52.920 science and so on i think the fundamental way to to view it is that uh what you have 10 000 people

02:25:01.740 who gather on your parliamentary lawn and organize a enormous protest like they did all these petty

02:25:07.900 things like they turned on the sprinklers to cover people in water um they had things like they they

02:25:14.100 had uh police putting weapons all throughout the place to try and like entrap people and stuff um

02:25:20.560 but they had to bring in something like 2 000 policemen now for perspective there's 10 000

02:25:26.220 policemen in the country so bringing in 150 police force to to try and just deal with this

02:25:31.580 one thing um i think it actually broke them mentally like i think they i think they went

02:25:37.460 from feeling that they were so self-righteous and they were doing so well to having a sort of

02:25:43.060 existential crisis about the fact that these people who were really working class people

02:25:47.720 um more or less despise their government despite them being a party of the quote-unquote working

02:25:53.620 class right um i think with trudeau by contrast he seems like he he's almost a little too tone

02:26:01.460 deaf or like a little too uh dumb to pick up on these things that's the impression i get like he

02:26:06.560 just doesn't strike me as a man who who's introspective or self-reflective at all yeah

02:26:12.020 that's one thing that's very remarkable about trudeau because it's very common to call

02:26:15.980 leaders that you don't like dumb or stupid or delusional you hear that rhetoric a lot from

02:26:21.180 every side but i genuinely do think trudeau is a dumb man um on the global stage i think he is

02:26:28.540 regarded as a dumb man by other foreign leaders he's not taken seriously um and in one sense and

02:26:34.720 i've gotten into a disagreement with my co-host judas about this not really a disagreement but

02:26:40.440 you know i said i'm like well just think of how bad things would be if we had a competent person

02:26:45.300 in charge but you know he's still of the mind that well you know he's just a figurehead there's

02:26:49.820 still you know machinations at work here um and you had made a point just before about the christ

02:26:56.120 church mosque shootings and i showed a visual of that just a few moments ago and i was curious

02:27:01.580 from your perspective this is of course the brendan tarrant mosque shooting and i'm wondering

02:27:06.740 did that event and does it still hover over new zealand right now meaning is that still brought

02:27:14.800 up as sort of a cudgel to attack the far right in any form whatsoever so i think i have to be

02:27:24.300 very careful here because there are laws and incredibly tyrannical censorship laws that have

02:27:29.100 been set up i will say that that kind of counts as a yes then so what the thing is it's not

02:27:36.600 necessarily that it still hangs over it was until those parliamentary protests that broke the

02:27:41.700 government they were trying to make it into like a sacred day like a kind of like uh we defeated

02:27:48.500 the bad guys enrichment day um they've stopped that now there was a very large social engineering

02:27:55.400 effort under under the gender and so i think i think we should take a step back and we'll go

02:28:00.640 from the beginning so prior to that event there was an emerging uh scene here that was doing quite

02:28:08.740 well uh there was a movement called dominion movement which was a precursor movement of

02:28:15.280 i think they had a max membership of about 250 guys which is very very good for a movement like

02:28:20.380 that um one of the reasons is because in new zealand uh maybe similar to the native situation

02:28:28.960 in canada um the natives have like a kind of legislated uh set of institutions which are to

02:28:39.160 deal with their grievances and they get a lot of concessions out of government and it always irks

02:28:45.760 the majority population so there's always been like a native um far right element that's always

02:28:55.580 existed really and so by native that for just to recontextualize that that would be sort of like

02:29:01.720 our aboriginals and you yours would be the maori or is this a native yeah so yeah i mean native

02:29:07.640 isn't like a local local radical like so white okay um sorry i should have i should i should be

02:29:14.340 clear no because so we will often term like ourselves as natives but then there's also

02:29:19.180 because we do have like tribal bands here in canada where the aboriginal types they have their

02:29:23.680 own parallel legal system as well yeah they have a similar thing here they have customary law and

02:29:30.320 you've had this emergent uh legal system where they've tried to merge uh maori oral law into

02:29:38.480 uh the british legal system uh i don't want to go on about it forever because it's kind of a tangent

02:29:44.720 but it's it's definitely a factor that motivates a lot of um a lot of boomer racism like you know

02:29:51.280 like sort of complaining about the darkies type stuff that you see but um i think the way to

02:29:57.620 understand it is like that event i'm going to call it i'm going to compare it to 9-11 it's like it

02:30:02.240 was it's it's what i would call a catastrophic success it was it's it's where now i don't

02:30:08.040 endorse it or support it but like it was such an effective act of i mean act of terrorism that it

02:30:15.240 effectively elicited an enormous response um i'd compare it to the term i use as agro like you know

02:30:21.540 from like wow or from video games pulling agro yeah it's a very similar thing um where it pulled

02:30:28.820 an enormous amount of agro and it created a a sphere of feeling in the public which was very

02:30:38.720 anti uh those that ideology basically um so for for really like three years there was there was

02:30:47.440 utter tyranny um they've stepped off it now they're just for perspective but it created um

02:30:55.680 at this sense where the government wanted to legitimize itself by crushing these domestic

02:31:01.280 internal enemies that's the way it viewed itself um to the point that they were like doing tyrannical

02:31:07.280 things like if you ordered a if you ordered a copy of bronze age mindset off of amazon which

02:31:11.980 is not even really a book i would consider an hour sphere um you would get visits from from

02:31:18.300 security services like intelligence agents they were using like some sort of data warehousing to

02:31:23.080 look at the books that were bought by people to do this um like that level of tyranny and if they

02:31:30.120 couldn't get you at home they'd show up at your work like it was very much this um soft tyranny

02:31:36.360 of like we are scaring you sort of thing to demotivate guys um i don't know if you have

02:31:44.560 any comments on that or any thoughts well it's interesting because i always we're used to hearing

02:31:49.120 things like that from individuals who might order you know mind comp for something because in canada

02:31:55.120 they would have a flagged list of books but i was always interested in what books were expanded into

02:32:03.060 that like like you said bronze age mindset would not be a terroristic book uh you know like all

02:32:10.080 the when i was a kid it was dudes downloading the anarchist cookbook to learn how to not make napalm

02:32:15.620 correctly or whatever it might be but you know then they would say oh whoever's downloading that

02:32:19.720 they might have a terrorist but now does that include fucking you know nick land does that

02:32:25.840 includes uh anyone who's ever ordered anything from antelope hill you know or imperium press

02:32:31.580 joseph de maestra you know what are those books are um i think interestingly in canada we're not

02:32:38.300 as bad um canada has a very strange relationship with media like we've always been on the side of

02:32:46.060 piracy in a strange sense uh like we've never i don't think anyone in canada has ever been

02:32:50.780 prosecuted for torrenting a movie and everyone gets emails from studios because they download

02:32:56.860 a fake movie and it's just not something that's illegal up here like that similarly there's not a

02:33:01.960 not as much prosecution of books but i think that's rare and maybe it's ineptitude i don't know

02:33:08.080 but um in new zealand it sounds like did that lighten up in recent years yeah so they've pulled

02:33:15.860 off that um i think that so again as i said like it was a legitimacy thing for them so like i think

02:33:21.360 they thought that they were crushing evil like they because you've got to understand that they

02:33:25.920 viewed themselves as so morally righteous you know these these were the people who are fighting

02:33:29.960 to end child poverty doing all these initiatives for working people and if only you know it comes

02:33:36.420 from this like liberal idea of intolerance of the intolerant that you know the only people who can

02:33:41.840 be discriminated against are those who discriminate and and i think it was very much driven by

02:33:47.160 um again it's an agro pull so it just it's just that they they wanted to punish people

02:33:53.060 um they have to be very careful in speaking about this like for example there is a person

02:33:57.800 who was uh entrapped by our security services uh pretending to be the intelligence agents of

02:34:06.780 another nation um and he was a he was a an army private and they entrapped him explicitly for an

02:34:18.000 espionage case that they wanted to do i think the objective was to try and uh separate nationalism

02:34:24.060 from um or like loyalty to nation from these groups and the clear objective was

02:34:32.500 um basically to catch this guy in an espionage charge and this guy's still from what i understand

02:34:38.140 he hasn't gone to trial he's been on home arrest on base for five years straight and they've been

02:34:43.660 delaying his trial to try and get him to plead guilty because he refused and um it's like known

02:34:50.640 within the media that he is entrapped but they don't report it they've made three articles over

02:34:58.840 time trying to basically make it a big a big slam and then they just like dropped it because it's

02:35:03.440 kind of known that it's an entrapment case and what they try to do is just fight it over time

02:35:07.540 this individual who's entrapped was he previously affiliated with any let's say he's a soldier and

02:35:15.220 he's patriarch was he actually affiliated with anything like a far right or a white nationalist

02:35:18.780 group or yes he was okay so he was it was with dominion and then he was with action zealandia

02:35:23.960 this is early on okay and i was curious to see if they're just trying to sweep up regular military

02:35:31.180 guys too no no so i think they operate on a model of intention and capacity and one of the things

02:35:37.420 that happened after after tarrant is they had these internal sweeps of both the police and

02:35:43.860 the army where they tried to purge people out who had any like property on that side

02:35:48.820 it's gotten really bad for them actually they they have really bad recruitment issues now because

02:35:53.420 they they were trying to exclude wrong thinkers from their ranks and then it turned out like

02:35:58.160 only wrong thinkers were doing things like joining the infantry

02:36:01.060 of course like like there's just i'm going to say something everyone knows there's a lot of

02:36:08.100 sonarads and certain flags hanging in the lockers of a lot of current enlisted men and like if you

02:36:15.000 got rid of all them then you actually don't have a fucking operational army anymore yeah yeah um

02:36:22.320 but yeah so basically the way i think you have to understand it is that you operate under an

02:36:28.200 environment of severe pressure but the thing is it's states these sort of bureaucratic um

02:36:32.960 these bureaucratic institutions they have like a kind of three-leveled

02:36:39.980 have three-leveled engagement strategy there's sort of a detection an analysis and then a response

02:36:44.980 and so you know if you have one of these catastrophic success events where someone

02:36:49.700 pulls off something that's astonishing obviously it's detected obviously there's an analysis and

02:36:56.060 there's a response and the level you want to be at is something along the lines of um

02:37:03.300 you have to be able to handle the response that's coming from the state

02:37:06.900 right and when you have these big agro pools the state obviously you know it burns a lot of

02:37:13.120 legitimacy when it does this stuff like you know i think a really good example of this is uh the

02:37:17.800 current uk protests right like in the uk uh from what i understand the british government is trying

02:37:23.860 to punish people who put footage of the police response online or of the protests they're doing

02:37:29.960 that and then also they're arresting just bystanders who happen to be in the vicinity

02:37:34.260 of the protest not participating but just on the outskirts watching those people are getting

02:37:39.060 dragged up too yeah but i think the obvious objective this there's something along the

02:37:45.200 lines of trying to prevent people being aware of the state's tyranny you know like there's a there's

02:37:51.620 an element where the state wants to to manage its perception so it's not just seen as the bad guy

02:37:57.240 and like that's true anyway sorry i was just gonna i just want to kind of carry this on but

02:38:03.180 like so like you know they were doing this to wn's but the problem is that when you start using these

02:38:06.860 methods you start thinking oh i've got a bigger group of enemies here why didn't i just do the

02:38:11.600 same thing and so you've had this um they escalated it to the anti-vaxxers and look i'm not particularly

02:38:18.680 one myself but there's a lot of people who fell into that camp i think the polling that i saw

02:38:23.080 because they didn't publish much polling on this but the polling on vaccines hesitance or skepticism

02:38:28.520 was something like 30 to 40 percent of the population um it's actually quite large and i

02:38:34.480 think maybe of that five to ten percent were very active and saying no i'm not going to take this

02:38:40.240 but five to ten percent is enough that it's actually very hard to crush all these people at

02:38:45.100 once you know if you're dealing with a with you know bands of 50 guys you can do it but when

02:38:51.440 you're dealing with um loose networks of hundreds of people it's it's actually quite difficult for

02:38:57.660 a state to do that and i think you know in the uk if we look at these protesters right you've seen

02:39:04.560 this in the polling where the polling says something like 30 to 40 percent of the population

02:39:09.420 assuming they're not lying on these polls and pretending that it's not their opinion

02:39:12.860 support the actions of the rioters and the rioters make up maybe two or three percent of the support

02:39:20.460 of population it's a tiny minority of people who are actually willing to go out there and act

02:39:25.200 and it's very similar with active clubs right like i can't tell you how many people have come

02:39:30.820 up to me before and have talked to me about fear like you know being like oh i support i support

02:39:36.020 you guys but i could never do it myself you know it's a very common experience no i agree with that

02:39:41.640 completely. And to me, that was always the value of any, what would we call IRL movements, but

02:39:47.900 anything that is public, because people will say, well, what is the point of marching? What's the

02:39:52.660 point of Patriot Front? What's the point of any of this? And I think the main purpose, and some

02:39:58.520 people will be correct, say, oh, the marching is what you do when you win. But I would always say

02:40:02.940 that really, the main point is to break yourself from the narrative that is describing you. And

02:40:11.120 just to you know sometimes i make fun of this individual uh but richard spencer was a very

02:40:17.340 interesting figure when he first emerged because some people look at him they'll say what they'll

02:40:22.320 say about him i'm not going to repeat it but um because i have repeated in the past but

02:40:26.600 remember that when richard spencer burst onto cnn all these big channels the um image of a white

02:40:35.500 nationalist was what hollywood put forward and what did hollywood put forward it was a fucking

02:40:39.720 a a inbred morbidly obese borderline retarded guy who's wearing like a a fucking confederate flag

02:40:49.400 just just a dunce a genetic dead end and here comes this white nationalist who is well put

02:40:54.580 together and he's erudite and he's funny and he can you know verbally sparrow people they'd never

02:41:01.380 they haven't seen that in a long time not since you know jared taylor or david duke or someone

02:41:06.240 like that and data they've already been blacklisted but here's this new guy so when you see in and

02:41:12.080 the funniest thing and i don't want to go off in the weeds on this but when people look at a group

02:41:18.640 like patriot front or even fuck njp whatever it might be when they're out there and they're not

02:41:24.160 fat and they're not stupid and they're not weird looking they're just fit normal guys you'll see

02:41:29.520 otherwise you know intelligent of people like they must be feds none of these people are in

02:41:36.380 fucking scooters none of these people are tripping over themselves and falling into a birthday cake

02:41:42.920 like they're too well put together to exist like their brains can't compute that these people

02:41:49.080 actually exist now these are again the joe rogan's the word but regular people see that and say wow

02:41:53.820 this exists i'm looking at it it's not what i thought it was and then that over time that

02:42:02.480 becomes 30 to 40 and that to me is the real win because any sort of vanguardist movement it doesn't

02:42:09.380 need to be 70 of the population it never has been but you need a majority of the population either

02:42:16.340 on your side passively or indifferent and i think that's kind of where we're getting to now

02:42:23.560 what do you think about that yeah so there's a spectrum of support you've obviously got active

02:42:28.780 enemies passive enemies neutrals passive supporters and active supporters right and you've got to kind

02:42:35.620 of think when you're doing actions or trying to engage with them how do i engage with each of

02:42:40.880 these groups in such a way that it works for me right i think i think you're right about this

02:42:47.080 that there's there's a spectrum the problem that you've got is the propaganda doesn't actually

02:42:53.860 convince you of anything what it does is it convinces you that other people think these

02:42:58.260 things and so one of the points of propaganda if you notice it is to make positions like that

02:43:05.160 low status they usually they used to do it more by just showing low status people

02:43:10.160 and then associating the ideas with low status people you know i think of the guy who um

02:43:15.760 who showed up in american history x driving the van who's like oh yeah yeah yeah yeah which is

02:43:24.520 to his credit a pretty catchy song however that that is that that's who i was thinking of when

02:43:32.460 i was describing that archetype um that was the guy in every film so i think the regime

02:43:39.320 has moved messaging so for example here what they did is they just put a media blackout in place

02:43:44.360 like you would never get published for any actions we pulled they'd never publish anything unless it

02:43:48.760 was deeply negative for us right and they do that in such a way to try and run down your public

02:43:56.200 image and that's fundamentally what they're doing those sorts of media blackouts though depend on

02:44:01.220 having those sorts of loose networks of people in that industry um who who decide to write in a

02:44:09.360 certain way and you'll notice if you read articles that are talking about active clubs or dissident

02:44:14.640 groups they're written in this insanely schizophrenic way where it's actually like

02:44:19.360 really hard to process them like you'll notice it's they're almost i used to think it was because

02:44:24.940 it was just you know these journalists themselves can't write and they're just in that because it's

02:44:28.860 a status job but i think they follow some sort of guideline on how to present the information

02:44:35.240 in this disjointed way

02:44:36.460 so you don't actually understand

02:44:37.660 what you're looking at.

02:44:40.920 But yeah, anyway,

02:44:42.280 just to take a step back,

02:44:43.560 yeah, so presenting yourself well

02:44:45.020 is definitely very important.

02:44:46.820 And I think a lot of that is like a,

02:44:50.300 people just kind of get a gestalt of you.

02:44:52.420 They digest you in one big bite.

02:44:54.880 So it's Richard Spencer, right?

02:44:56.320 He is articulate,

02:44:57.460 but he has this like arrogance

02:44:59.740 that you can just sense.

02:45:02.200 I think he has like a punch ability

02:45:03.720 and like he did obviously get punished as as we have seen but you know he if every time you watch

02:45:09.720 his clips on cnn he just comes across as like smug and like dislikable you know he doesn't come

02:45:16.120 across as like humble it's not like jared taylor jared taylor comes across as humble and like

02:45:22.120 sincere whereas richard spencer as we've kind of seen has just kind of become like a contrarian

02:45:28.340 liberal because he's really just interested in status and like being famous yeah just at that

02:45:35.000 point i was watching for one reason or another it came across my feet i was watching jared taylor

02:45:40.460 debating on donahue from like the early 90s and it's like a master class of just you know debate

02:45:48.480 discourse and it's easy to forget about him it's easy to forget about these guys who were really

02:45:53.900 remarkably big on the scene at the time we they're still around who doesn't know jared taylor but i'm

02:45:59.220 like he used to go on cnn and just wipe the floor with everybody and he was cool and he did it with

02:46:05.580 a smile and you know we just he's still here but we can't get him out of the blacklist anyway it's

02:46:11.820 just a shame i miss him well it's i remember at the time though media had a total monopoly

02:46:18.940 on information flow whereas it does not have that now like they have to do this one of the things

02:46:25.620 i think i've noticed in the last couple of years is because they're aware that they don't have

02:46:31.160 total information control anymore and they've obviously moved towards censoring along the

02:46:35.620 algorithms they have this thing now where they just try and preemptively deny and attack

02:46:41.140 alternative narratives so i think a recent example of this is that ballerina farms who i have i don't

02:46:46.800 personally know but i'm aware that all these hit pieces came out about them all at once across

02:46:51.220 different media um basically trying to attack them for the quote-unquote trad wife thing right

02:46:57.940 and i think you've got to you've got to kind of understand there but it just is a in a broader

02:47:05.240 sense that they blacklist and they control the media narrative and then they make a lot of noise

02:47:13.660 in other spaces so you know um if you get you get all these people like the christian nationalists

02:47:19.360 yuram hazoni all these people who are kind of on the kosher spectrum who are allowed to say

02:47:23.480 based things sort of like elon musk twitter they make an enormous amount of noise you know these

02:47:27.680 kind of slop twitter accounts they seem to be there just to kind of keep people engaged in this

02:47:35.220 endless cycle of being mad about whatever but not going any further right it's just a lot of noise

02:47:42.760 to signify nothing and i think a lot of that is kind of a bait and switch strategy and you see

02:47:50.060 they kind of did this in the 60s and 70s as well where they moved things away from talking about

02:47:56.480 you know civil the civil rights era resistance to focusing conservatives and right-wingers on

02:48:03.200 anti-communism or on um just just kind of silly things like conspirators

02:48:11.080 conspiratorial stuff you know and i think i think one of the problems we have is that the

02:48:17.720 gatekeeping that's really done today is really it's this dog and pony show where they they're

02:48:23.040 making a lot of noise on one side and just trying to suppress any dissident stuff that really goes

02:48:27.640 outside of the boundaries on the other um i agree yeah and also the point you made earlier i just

02:48:33.860 wanted to mention this before i lose my train of thought um there's an article that is going to go

02:48:39.200 uh not article a real secret coffee hours video on our paywall on gumroad and patreon where i

02:48:44.800 review an article that was published in the times it was published by this um black individual who

02:48:52.480 like works very prestigious has won many awards works for these think tanks and he wrote one of

02:48:58.720 the most schizophrenic articles i think i've ever read to the point where i needed to reread it a

02:49:03.360 a couple of times to verify that what i just read was true and this article was him advocate

02:49:09.680 like it started off by him saying all these protesters in the uk are moronic thugs who

02:49:16.500 have a deluded concept of what britain used to be it was always a multi-ethnic empire a lot of

02:49:21.800 you know stuff you've heard before then he openly advocates for deporting all of these protesters

02:49:27.460 to Rwanda with the hopes that they will be harassed and abused in a Rwandan prison.

02:49:34.800 And then he kind of ends by saying that, you know, Martin Luther King Jr., he advocated,

02:49:41.300 he said the riot is the voice of the unheard, but I don't think he was talking about riots

02:49:46.260 specifically.

02:49:47.080 I think he was talking about criticizing the government.

02:49:48.920 Like it was unhinged madness.

02:49:51.080 And the point I was making was, you only really see this unhinged flailing when we are over the target. You start seeing these journalists start to behave very insane. They start, like what we were just describing, trying as hard as they can to make your beliefs seem low status. My conviction is they're not particularly good at it anymore.

02:50:13.120 One thing we had said on the show was that for many, many years, especially in the UK, people have been witnessing these attacks, attack after attack, very clearly racially motivated.

02:50:26.580 But the propaganda used to suffocate those narratives has never evolved.

02:50:31.560 And so people over the years, regular people, not us, not weirdos, but regular working class people, white people, they've gotten hip to the propaganda that's never updated.

02:50:41.960 And that is kind of what these riots are. I do believe it was a populist uprising that was generated organically. I don't think Tommy Robinson was behind it, for example, though he's trying to make a buck off that as usual. But this was an organic sort of thing that comes from the fact that they really don't control the narrative anymore.

02:51:00.680 and they're trying to by making you seem low status and i don't really think it's working

02:51:06.320 anymore and we're seeing that even with um i mean whatever you think of donald trump

02:51:10.640 whatever you think of jd vance this forced meme that they're weird is not working this mean girls

02:51:19.180 tactic of saying isn't jd vance weird all the democrats are all weird they're all trans they're

02:51:24.660 all drag queens like that that was their thing up until five minutes ago was being weird yeah it

02:51:29.620 doesn't make sense that you're calling anyone else weird but that's you trying to convince us that

02:51:34.560 we're low status and it's clumsy it's weak it just it doesn't work anymore and that's i guess we'll

02:51:41.320 see how that plays out in the polls but i'm seeing the old tricks not working with regular people

02:51:46.540 anymore what do you think about that i i agree with you on the uk there's an article from i think

02:51:52.780 it's called the middle eastern eye about something they call controlled spontaneity which are these

02:51:57.320 like pre-planned PR engagements that the UK government pays for I highly recommend the

02:52:05.940 article it basically talks in depth it's from 2017 about how every time there's a terror attack

02:52:11.200 the British government has these pre-prepared photo ops that they put together they fund like

02:52:16.460 imams to come in and like you know patch over the difficulties with the community and they'll get

02:52:22.080 they'll pay for huge quantities of flowers to be put up front as if this was like a spontaneous

02:52:26.760 um sort of tribute i'm pretty sure this is a system that they have across a lot of the

02:52:31.420 western world now but it's just not widely discussed or explored um so yeah there's

02:52:36.300 definitely there's definitely an element of utter fakeness there because you what they try and do

02:52:40.160 is they try and let you have they let you be sad about it but you're not allowed to be angry about

02:52:43.600 it like they do this this pr spin where you're always denied the catharsis of anger because

02:52:51.360 you're just supposed to look back and feel sad about how awful it is for everybody and then

02:52:55.760 forget about it and i think the problem that you've got is like these there's so many wounds

02:53:00.620 that have hit over time and the refusal of the state to respond and do anything about it has

02:53:06.760 created this underlying tension and rage which you know is only being expressed now and it happened

02:53:12.740 what happened is it's just broken out all at once on the on the journalist thing i think i mean look

02:53:19.560 they're not as capable as they used to be they really are like if you if you a lot of them are

02:53:25.460 like 22 year olds with some shitbag degree and they're not particularly well informed on anything

02:53:31.460 and the the one you said that you talked about with the times you know the times used to be

02:53:34.980 considered the prestigious record of note in the uk um the fact that they have schizophrenic things

02:53:42.260 where they're trying to own the racists or something and so they should be deported to

02:53:45.940 rwanda i mean it's it's it's infantile i i genuinely think what we're having at the moment

02:53:52.660 is you're just seeing media legitimacy drop out i don't know anybody under 40 who watches tv

02:54:00.260 maybe another 45 and i don't think most of them believe what's in the newspapers

02:54:05.940 um i've seen some polling that suggests that people under 30 have a media trust that is under 30

02:54:13.460 and i think the people who still trust the media that's like the bootlicker class

02:54:16.660 you know the sort of um apple polisher like teachers pet class who who fill a lot of

02:54:24.280 administrative and corporate roles but everyone else just doesn't believe it at all um and and

02:54:29.500 that's actually a problem right because it means they can't do these narratives where they sell you

02:54:33.320 on on things i think the first this first started happening in the syrian war do you remember there

02:54:38.060 was this huge media effort to try and talk about assad's gassing of of his own people or whatever

02:54:43.700 in 2012 2013 and they just couldn't make it happen and it's now gotten to the point they

02:54:50.180 can't sell anything yeah yeah it's it's not even done particularly well and the only thing it has

02:54:57.760 going for it is volume and reach but uh you know i work in marketing and so we've seen the numbers

02:55:04.780 on the reach of broadcast media and let me just say once the boomers finally shuffle off this

02:55:09.900 mortal coil there is no cable news and those who have spent the time trying to establish some kind

02:55:17.220 of parallel infrastructure in alt media they're going to be the ones to capture everything that's

02:55:23.280 there and that's why you've seen such a mad dash over the past little while with your daily wires

02:55:27.340 with your the blazes trying to be set up as legitimate media entities daily wire is not

02:55:32.300 doing too well right now but uh that's because there is a future where they become like main

02:55:39.300 players because the only people who are left watching the news are going to be like people

02:55:44.560 in our ecosystems and the way we consume media is completely different than what boomers did

02:55:50.760 even gen x are kind of 50 50 on our side too and uh we had made a comment on the previous i think

02:55:57.300 the previous episode just an offhand comment where i said you know because they were launching a new

02:56:01.980 political party in canada called the canada future party which sounds kind of cool and crazy but it's

02:56:07.260 really lame. Point being that I'd said that if you took your average person below the age of,

02:56:13.720 I don't know, 40, you could get them more excited about joining a militia than a new political

02:56:18.960 party. The interest just isn't there. And I guess that would segue into one of the main things I

02:56:25.260 wanted to talk about, not militia specifically, but alternative organizations for, what would

02:56:33.480 you call it not politics but something deeper than politics because a lot of people i think

02:56:39.620 and we discussed this with uh that book bowling alone that ever sent the boomer generation

02:56:44.800 specifically boomers and post boomers many many people these generations would seek

02:56:50.740 interpersonal connections and their own identity through political movements and political parties

02:56:55.780 sometimes revolutionary sometimes not and i think there's a move away even from that there's a move

02:57:01.700 away from trying to define yourself by your political your mainstream political party

02:57:06.220 affiliation and so where are these people going well they're looking for alternative groups

02:57:11.020 alternative orientations apart from all that just like alt media is apart from broadcast media and

02:57:17.080 that's where we would be introduced to something like active clubs and you have quite some

02:57:24.340 experience in active clubs would that be true to say that's right but i think we should lay the

02:57:30.580 groundwork down first because there's something that I wanted to lay down before about why active

02:57:34.620 clubs are a thing and I think we should start with what what I guess might be termed the epistemological

02:57:41.300 split or schism which is that because everyone has a different media environment and because

02:57:47.540 everyone is consuming different content and because people have a completely different

02:57:52.340 worldview derived from the media consumption habits that they have people have totally

02:57:56.860 different perceptions of how things are going like if you're if you're a libtard just quickly

02:58:02.740 consuming a lot of whatever's on tv your perception of something like an active club or of what's

02:58:11.280 going on in the world is completely different from someone in our scene so before the active

02:58:15.660 club is really actually the content and propaganda and media consumption environment right like i

02:58:21.420 think there's a lot to be said for you've got to kind of mentally get there before you can

02:58:27.880 physically get there and you you those the change in the mind occurs from changing your consumption

02:58:34.000 habits to consume something different and i i so on active clubs and on organizing i i agree with

02:58:42.700 you that the bowling alone hypothesis seems to be more or less true um if you i think there's a lot

02:58:48.480 of interesting like sociological science of this that people are incredibly alienated there's a

02:58:54.020 couple i think of which is that people put up high fences around their houses like you know six foot

02:58:57.980 fences you know that's something that people didn't do in the past in high trust societies

02:59:02.220 they would have a low fence or having their curtains drawn all day or um you know the

02:59:11.020 emergence of things like these convenient services that mean people just never leave the house

02:59:15.080 i think the alienation and is really a consumptive one because it's very easy to be alienated it's

02:59:22.440 very easy to be consumptive and people have their social interactions through parasocial

02:59:30.100 relationships or they have them through um you know basically they'll have a couple of friends

02:59:36.800 that they talk to or they'll have the simulation of the social media but it's ultimately like a

02:59:41.200 form of significant alienation so an active club and political organizing you know when we think

02:59:47.520 about political organizing we always think of the traditional like political party you get together

02:59:50.740 you do things like protests by contrast like an active club i think it should really just be

02:59:56.620 called an active society it's like people getting together to do something that is participatory

03:00:00.940 not consumptive so an active club really it's it's kind of taken the form of these sort of war

03:00:08.700 bands right where you get a bunch of young guys you get together and they do something they hike

03:00:15.580 they do martial arts they do leafleting and stickering sometimes they protest sometimes

03:00:21.180 they do some sort of other action but it's fundamentally participatory the way it like

03:00:26.700 kind of rebels against the society we live in is instead of like trying to make yourself

03:00:31.660 comfortable or enriched in in a material sense or being consumed by what they live under

03:00:38.500 it fundamentally asks you to struggle to suffer to improve yourself with a bunch of other men

03:00:48.520 in a very difficult environment and yeah and the types of things that people do in these active

03:00:55.420 clubs just to give a perspective from someone who's historically was outside of this you would

03:01:01.460 hear mainstream people you know shudder look at the spread of these active clubs well what are

03:01:08.220 they doing it's a bunch of guys they get together sometimes they put on masks and silly you know

03:01:15.120 whatever but then what are they doing well they're boxing and they're hiking and they're building a

03:01:20.440 shed or a cabin or something like once they list what was actually going on even if they're just

03:01:26.560 shooting with guns or something i'm like that's what guys i do that with my co-host judas we go

03:01:31.220 shoot guns if you're a guy that sounds cool but usually it's either women or feminized men

03:01:38.900 who are trying to say oh there's people uh getting together and shooting um is that that's both

03:01:44.560 scary and gay right i'm like no i i don't subscribe to that i don't think most men

03:01:49.360 are scared off by that um so that narrative never really you know worked with me either so sorry

03:01:55.660 continue i mean yeah no i i think it is more like you're just getting together with the pros in many

03:02:01.560 ways um i think the difference so i'll actually make a differentiation so when i say active clubs

03:02:06.780 i think i'm talking about these smaller local groups usually of guys between about five to

03:02:13.140 12 guys in a local geography so like a town or something but we talk about and i consider that

03:02:19.320 3.0 compared to the 2.0 model which you see which is kind of what uh nsn in australia what action

03:02:25.640 zelandia and um groups like patriot front through which is where they have larger hierarchical

03:02:31.880 organizations and they have a lot more guys that are kind of coordinated whereas you'll see in the

03:02:38.100 last three years following this the style of of ram a lot of these clubs are they follow kind of

03:02:46.540 three patterns that i can think of that really come to mind they're dispersed so they're separated

03:02:52.640 until they come together briefly to conduct some action they're modular so there's no point of

03:02:57.480 failure there's no direct leadership like you don't see active clubs being like oh this is the

03:03:01.500 leader of xyz the active club and that's that they act quite autonomously and then they are

03:03:08.020 also sorry i'm just going to shoot my nose um they're kind of acting in in a way where they are

03:03:15.600 stealth like they don't particularly they either make noise on on some channels but they're really

03:03:21.100 not trying to get these big media wins like you might have seen like uh george lincoln rockwell

03:03:27.760 or something do back in the day and you see them use a sort of adaptive coloring or like a

03:03:33.280 camouflage style where you know guys don't have son and rad tattoos they don't make themselves

03:03:40.780 very obvious by contrast uh a lot of these older groups that have kind of been established for

03:03:48.360 longer uh they have you know they'll have direct charismatic leaders they're larger they focus on

03:03:54.660 different objectives often getting media attention to grow themselves following the

03:03:58.740 the sort of um the sort of NSDAP model um I think the way to think about it though let me just

03:04:07.960 interrupt briefly and say it sounds like the previous model would have had two different

03:04:13.740 colors to it one would be trying to seek media legitimacy by saying look how normal we are

03:04:21.420 the other hemisphere that's seeking media legitimacy by saying look how outrageous and evil

03:04:27.240 we are whereas the new model doesn't seem to be seeking media legitimacy at all it's decoupled

03:04:33.140 completely from the relevance of that and can just operate apart yeah yeah so like it's definitely

03:04:40.980 much more uh quiet and i think that's that's because obviously like the regime can detect us

03:04:48.580 but if you present a face and you are going out there and going hard and doing you know big

03:04:56.340 protests or whatever other than the fact that you get media attention which is going to get

03:05:00.540 state action and response you just don't really get rewarded for it in the same way like you do

03:05:05.320 get recruits you do get manpower but it it it creates this constant churn right because then

03:05:12.240 you become a state enemy and then when you're a state enemy you know you polarize people you

03:05:17.500 scare people away you have a lot of people who are kind of skittish you know if you're going

03:05:22.300 through a recruitment pipeline for every hundred guys who hit your recruitment pipeline and start

03:05:26.440 you might accept 20 and then maybe two stay more than two years there's just a significant

03:05:35.180 can churn because people get scared off they get um an intimidation visit they get from from law

03:05:42.600 enforcement or something they get you know they have they have just bad experiences it doesn't

03:05:47.660 live up to their expectation that they're going to take over the world in no time um i think the

03:05:53.060 fundamental factor to consider and what to think about with active clubs especially if you're

03:05:56.420 starting one or if you want to grow one is you know unlike sort of traditional hierarchical

03:06:02.980 organizations where you have to work your way up you can just start one and be at the top and go

03:06:07.920 for it and it's really about the momentum of action how often are you acting how often are

03:06:12.700 getting stuff done how often are you getting the guys together what are you guys doing together

03:06:16.700 and how do you grow a network of people so so for example you'll usually know the other guys

03:06:25.520 running other active clubs in other areas right you'll know the guys in other towns and other

03:06:29.780 cities and you just happen to run or be with a local unit and you guys can maybe come together

03:06:34.960 for a protest or something every now and then but you're really dispersed and autonomous and that's

03:06:40.160 that's kind of the key to it um yeah you don't want to be branded because the brand can be attacked

03:06:46.480 and the brand can be used as if it were a gang affiliation whereas if you're just a group of

03:06:52.880 guys operating however in a decentralized connectivity but it's not obvious yeah yeah

03:06:59.600 so what where you want centralized structures is in intelligence and news distribution so what you

03:07:04.760 do want is you want a centralized sort of group in some sense for internal vetting so that's

03:07:12.060 obviously keeping out infiltrators um managing knowledge of who knows what within the organization

03:07:17.820 and then obviously distributing propaganda like you know putting out podcasts media etc

03:07:22.200 which is very different from uh the sort of traditional style which was to try and get

03:07:30.880 yourself in the news and make noise yeah basically what you need is larger filters which sounds

03:07:37.360 counterintuitive because you know if you're again just viewing this as an outsider you would think

03:07:43.220 that the greatest pool of possible recruits might be disaffected young white men disaffected from

03:07:50.960 the military specifically those who were washed out due to covid or washed out um many young

03:07:57.380 the military aged man is boxed out of the military for a great many reasons or not given preferential

03:08:05.540 treatment so you think well look at these people however maybe those individuals come in with the

03:08:10.940 wrong expectations like you said maybe they want to what they want is to join an army and that's

03:08:17.280 not what this is and so they will wash out anyway or they'll attract the wrong attention so there

03:08:23.300 needs to be certain filters in for even what might be the ideal candidate just so the expectations

03:08:29.860 are aligned too yeah well a lot of guys come in thinking it's them joining a warband and they're

03:08:37.560 gonna conquer and win everything like it's very hard to say to a guy look we just have to live

03:08:42.080 humbly and slowly grow and just build our networks and attempt to live as best we can

03:08:49.400 you know a lot of guys want to have like a heroic death or something and it's just a it's a very

03:08:55.940 immature view of it and you get a lot of guys who have just discovered a whole bunch of things

03:09:00.860 and become aware of all sorts of interesting facts and they suddenly they've got all this

03:09:05.960 fight in them they put all this anger and they don't have the patience to say you know like i

03:09:13.760 i have to live for a long time with a lot of other people and i have to deal with the reality on the

03:09:19.740 ground and i have to make moves to slowly get there because like i i don't think it's an

03:09:24.200 impossible struggle like a lot of guys treat it as it's either we're going to win immediately

03:09:28.460 or we're going to it's impossible to do both of which encourage you to do nothing

03:09:33.860 because you just you either think oh we're just gonna kick in the door and it's gonna fall over

03:09:38.060 or we just can't do it so we should do nothing because i think the secret is there's a lot of

03:09:43.200 hard work with the state and like these regimes are not invincible they're definitely showing

03:09:47.040 that weakness they're definitely showing the cracks and what it's really about is you know

03:09:52.700 if you're if you're a regime enjoyer right now you know you can get an okay job but you probably

03:09:57.940 can't afford a house you probably can't live well you probably can't afford to have kids

03:10:03.360 you know um you probably haven't a really hard time enjoying the fruits of the regime

03:10:09.260 where and you know by contrast if you if you are like a regime enjoy you probably

03:10:16.780 you know you're probably a transient bug man who lives in wherever and often has friends that are

03:10:22.780 just as transitory so i think the real selling point is it's a group of guys who are tight-knit

03:10:30.540 by action and habit who will back you up to get places and take you places and like look even

03:10:36.600 even if you've had a hard time you know that social network pays off you know if you have

03:10:41.420 50 guys and two guys run a business and they can catch you when you fall or you know get you a job

03:10:49.600 as you need it for young guys there's a lot of things that can be done that are outside the

03:10:53.520 spectrum of what we traditionally consider political you know running a get out the vote

03:10:58.560 campaign running a jobs company or some sort you know a security guard company or something

03:11:03.880 where you can just employ guys and put them in a place there's so much more to this struggle than

03:11:11.680 getting on tv yeah and let me just say to people there's all sorts of things one can do in the

03:11:19.420 struggle um one thing that we have said repeatedly on the show and some people have tried to take

03:11:25.780 this and challenged me by actually doing it but i had said that you know if you're a young man

03:11:31.780 it's very enticing to want to join an army as an individual you're lonely and you want to join

03:11:36.260 a mass and so that's why so many young men who just get what would you call it red pilled they

03:11:42.820 get into a space and they end up a couple years later with an ideology that's like seven hyphenated

03:11:48.420 names like i'm an anarcho natsock esoteric futurist some kooky thing because you're just

03:11:56.180 smashing brands together but if you cut through all that no matter how much theory you've ingested

03:12:01.980 and no matter how much vigor you have a group of five to seven guys can do pretty much anything

03:12:12.160 and i mean anything and by five to seven guys i mean a squad i mean guys that you trust and this

03:12:19.140 is what was very obvious to me when i was growing up it would seem very obvious to a lot of people

03:12:23.860 especially if you grew up in a rural sort of place but um having a crew that you trust like a

03:12:29.840 gang of guys but you're there for each other and you can plan and strategize you can do anything

03:12:35.140 in a military environment in a in a job environment whatever it is you could i'd said before the line

03:12:40.820 was, you know, a group of six guys could take down any NGO. And

03:12:44.660 by take down, I mean, you know, attack their credibility,

03:12:48.320 whatever it might be, it doesn't take a lot. But having that

03:12:51.620 nucleus is probably more important than even having

03:12:55.880 education. You know, I mean, having that nucleus, that is the

03:12:58.840 foundation you can build any other organization from because

03:13:03.320 the most valuable thing that's very difficult to find online

03:13:07.040 is real trust in someone and trust like a brotherhood and even in active clubs it's

03:13:13.140 hard to join one and get that right away like if you join up tomorrow it's gonna take that's why

03:13:18.420 you do these projects you learn a lot from someone when you build a shed or you get together and run

03:13:26.440 a fucking charity potluck whatever it might be there's there's a whole list of things you could

03:13:30.740 do maybe we could even come up with a list as well but that's the the starting point and it

03:13:35.300 sounds unromantic it sounds to some uninteresting but i'm like that will prove to be more valuable

03:13:42.300 long term than anything else what do you think about that

03:13:49.360 you might be muted right now i apologize if you were coughing there

03:13:56.000 oh sorry by the way jordan he is um coming down or he was coming down with a bit of a cold

03:14:02.860 recently and so he warned me ahead of time that he might have to pause due to coughing

03:14:07.900 and sneezing fits leaving me here once again to enter a fugue state uh that is so popular

03:14:14.480 with our audience where i i just kind of go off on whatever um but uh this is something myself

03:14:21.480 and judas have talked about quite a bit it even if you are not directly affiliated with one of

03:14:28.680 these groups, you could probably just by yourself right now,

03:14:31.680 come up with a list of seven to 12 things that you and a group

03:14:36.440 of like minded, otherwise, you know, identity aligned

03:14:43.080 individuals could do to improve your to build a clubhouse for

03:14:48.240 yourself to improve your little thing, but then also improve the

03:14:51.520 community and make a name for yourself in the community through

03:14:55.220 these deeds and some people may say that sounds like work i'm like well it's work that's in the

03:15:02.420 interest of building something else it's not just volunteering it's it's building this entity that

03:15:09.240 can grow with you and i think about this like just imagine imagine your children imagine your sons

03:15:16.620 when you're old learning that your dad was part of something like this whatever you do in your

03:15:23.700 whatever job you have whatever you endeavor to accomplish knowing that you did something like

03:15:30.020 this like you kind of had your little gang going that's very cool to kids that's very cool to

03:15:36.180 anyone that hears it even if it's if it doesn't fucking topple a government or engage in a coup

03:15:42.520 d'etat or whatever the dreams of collapse are just having that if you fail at everything else in life

03:15:48.780 i think you will eventually stand by that as something that you were proud to be a part of

03:15:55.500 and i've known a few people uh in my spaces who are parts of these groups and um it's interesting

03:16:02.300 they all define themselves differently they're the ones who who work out together there's ones who

03:16:09.020 you know engage in propagandistic techniques especially if they're in an urban center

03:16:13.820 but um there's some church-based ones there's some pagan ones there's some you know weird

03:16:20.200 technocrat atheist ones there's some national socialist ones there's a lot of different um

03:16:26.260 back ideological back sorry you're back jordan sorry i was taking a mad piss so that's okay yeah

03:16:33.260 like uh anyway so look i on the point on on the different groupings yes i think a lot of it's

03:16:39.680 about habit because the hard part is getting people together to actually live through the habit

03:16:43.580 and that if that habit is you going to church together if that habit is you going to judo or

03:16:50.860 muay thai together if that habit is you do i don't know readings of evola every wednesday or something

03:16:58.000 it doesn't matter just have to get together regularly you have to a lot of these institutions

03:17:04.200 you can you can pick up from the sort of corpse remnants of these politicized institutions like

03:17:09.980 say fire service or the police or the army that they existed to do this once but obviously because

03:17:15.920 they've tried to make it open to as many people as possible they've diluted and watered down

03:17:20.140 these institutions so they've lost a lot of those incentives um it's yeah so it's really about

03:17:27.900 building those social networks and building that social capital because then you know the

03:17:32.640 unspoken part about our time is because people have lost trust in all of the institutions

03:17:37.620 authority people depend on the authority of each other as they perceive through personal

03:17:42.980 relationships often grouped around chats to digest the world so you see this in our sphere where news

03:17:51.700 is kind of filtered into chats and really interesting items will get posted in and

03:17:56.260 people will comment on them but it's a very good way to get a very insightful and very well

03:18:00.820 well digested view on the subject matter that those people are interested in um and and similarly

03:18:08.260 with the active club yeah um and one thing that what sprung to my mind was that um once you're in

03:18:16.440 an organizational pattern such as this you'll find that you'll be able to spring into action

03:18:22.860 at a moment's notice you'll know who to call in the case of let's say an emergency that befalls

03:18:27.820 you or just as a wild hypothetical there's roving gangs of muslims wielding machetes coming into

03:18:36.540 your neighborhood making all the women and children feel that it's unsafe to leave the house maybe

03:18:42.860 there's a counter to that but as a atomized individual which is your default oftentimes

03:18:49.180 you feel powerless in in the wake in in seeing that right so this at the very least i think will

03:18:56.540 have a psychological effect of making people at the very least feel less powerless um and we're

03:19:04.020 trying we're trying to use our language very carefully here because we don't want people to

03:19:06.860 get the wrong idea we don't want to get in trouble here obviously because this is a very very touchy

03:19:11.880 subject um and i even put it as like a tag in the video so we'll see who ends up watching this

03:19:17.300 but um yes yeah i think the mature view is what you need to think about the mature because like

03:19:23.500 the sort of young guy view sort of um this idea that you like go into the forest and you have a

03:19:30.100 shootout with the cops and then suddenly you're the government like even if you did that like say

03:19:34.860 you did that say you managed to get enough guys through that what then like what then like how

03:19:40.520 are you going to do all of your agenda right if you did all these fed posty things um if you if

03:19:47.580 made the turner diaries into like a record of history what then right like it's not it's not

03:19:54.940 a coherent worldview like you've got to really ask yourself how do things really work and in the past

03:20:01.980 in the 20th century it was through these bureaucratic structures that were top down

03:20:05.580 where you'd put large amounts of money through the state into an organization and you make something

03:20:09.500 happen that's just not possible today because people do not share the same conceptual reality

03:20:14.700 if you went back to the 80s or maybe even the 90s prior to the internet really kicking off

03:20:18.620 people shared the same conceptual reality they watched the same tv they watched the same television

03:20:22.540 shows they consumed roughly the same newspapers you could diverge but really your broader shared

03:20:29.340 worldview was universal whereas today everyone is basically a schizophrenic their understanding of

03:20:35.820 the world is is basically whatever they've been consuming and you can miss so much or you can

03:20:39.740 no terms but it's always going to be specific to your domains yeah and one thing that we've

03:20:46.060 mentioned on the show a few times in the past is i do not have faith in the digital realms ability

03:20:53.380 to broker friendships between each other coherently by which i mean that i think if anyone is serious

03:21:00.180 about politics forming relationships whatever the people who are involved in the basket weaving

03:21:05.260 group that's another example of this that tends to be a bit more uh casual just meetups and stuff

03:21:10.460 uh but that's the right idea which is that the online space is becoming so forget censorship

03:21:18.140 i'm talking more about and forget the the constant monitoring but i think we will reach a point where

03:21:25.180 we won't be able to have faith that even the people we're talking to aren't artificial constructs

03:21:31.980 And we're already having a problem right now. Every brand, every company is doing this, a problem with bots. There's a growing sense that the numbers of who's speaking to who and who's watching who online are fake and inflated. We don't know what the fuck is real online anymore. And we don't know if we're talking to real people.

03:21:50.460 So at the very least, going forward, there's going to be an intense need to step offline, if only to confirm that the people you're talking to are real. And just to, you know, recalibrate the type of relationship you have, because there's going to be more, more forces in the online space that drag you into these downward spirals into these content plantations.

03:22:13.960 and you just need to separate yourself from that noise and if you can't do that you'll just be

03:22:19.200 trapped online and go insane so i think at the very baseline there's going to be a need for that

03:22:25.320 increasingly in the future especially for people who've been in the space for quite some time i'm

03:22:30.020 an old head i bet you are too i mean how many cycles have we gone through the same bullshit

03:22:35.440 the same grifters the same narratives go watch there's content in old videos you could find from

03:22:41.060 the 90s where we're talking about the same stuff and there is a people want to check out in the

03:22:47.260 sense of like what's next are we going to keep talking about the same stuff every five years

03:22:53.280 just with increasing you know malaise right well yes you can go back to rivolo piolova in the 50s

03:23:02.500 and he's complaining about stuff that we complain about today like he like yeah well we talked about

03:23:07.580 archaeofuturism from even the french perspective the downfall of the nouvelle droit and the french

03:23:12.800 new right uh it's like the the exact same shit was happening in the 40s and 50s to these groups

03:23:19.420 yeah look i i think it's very self-evident to me that uh these we shouldn't be trying the same

03:23:28.460 stuff that was tried in the 20th century i don't think the 20th century methods work

03:23:32.240 I don't think the mass society is really coherent anymore

03:23:36.400 I think you've got to step back

03:23:41.360 and understand that people shared a conceptual horizon

03:23:43.440 in the 20th century

03:23:44.420 even if you were going from being a rural peasant

03:23:50.140 farmer or whatever, you probably knew the Bible

03:23:52.220 and I could talk to you about the parable of the sower

03:23:56.380 or the parable of the prodigal son

03:23:59.540 and that would be a term you'd recognise

03:24:01.060 if you spoke to any zoomer that have no idea unless they were like pretending to be a trad

03:24:06.020 cath or something and doing the whole christian nationalism thing um there's just no shared

03:24:11.480 horizon and so what you're really saying is i need to build a group of people who share a similar

03:24:17.080 vision which i can do in small quantities with a small number of people to cooperate

03:24:21.600 against a very large number of completely alienated people

03:24:25.820 and the way you do that is you do you struggle on things together so you know if you've ever

03:24:33.360 spoken to guys who are veterans who had actually done trigger time overseas they will tell you

03:24:38.860 that they will trust guys who they've served overseas with who've had trigger time with them

03:24:42.300 immensely and so it allows you to cooperate to do things together so you'll find um you know

03:24:49.940 just as an example if you if you talk to some of the very old boom i mean they're kind of dead now

03:24:53.620 the greatest generation types who came back from the second world war they came back and they'd

03:24:57.620 start a business with their buddy and because they'd you know suffered immensely together

03:25:02.580 they could build their trust to be able to do that whereas today everyone's worried about getting

03:25:09.700 you know run over or like sort of taken for a ride or something same sort of thing that you

03:25:14.100 have with relationships where people are constantly afraid of divorce um it's this

03:25:18.980 interesting situation where because we're so comfortable people haven't really struggled

03:25:23.380 together so they don't really develop the the bonding that they have from from struggling all

03:25:27.780 the time and that prevents them from reaching that level of trust and cooperation that that's a great

03:25:36.100 point if i could just put a pin in that and and really drill into that that's when we think

03:25:40.740 practically about in very plain language what one could do in an active club so you know you hear me

03:25:46.900 talk about in very very vague terms but what would you actually do and i agree completely with what

03:25:50.940 you're saying and another way to phrase it would be how can we in our 21st century context where

03:25:57.240 we don't have the same experiences introduce something like managed sufferings if we're not

03:26:02.460 going to go out and if we don't have the opportunity to go and kill an enemy combatant

03:26:07.600 we're increasing increasingly maybe even soldiers won't have that in the future it'll just be

03:26:11.400 fucking drones and viruses and chemical warfare maybe i don't know but uh if you wanted to replicate

03:26:17.700 that what could you do well you know this might sound far less resolution but what about climbing

03:26:25.500 a mountain what about you and a bunch of guys literally climb a mountain and see not not scaling

03:26:30.540 it like a fucking cliffhanger but you know what hiking up a mountain and for over a few days

03:26:36.540 hunting trips things that are very very difficult that you can bond over there's

03:26:41.920 dozens of things you could think of that are very grueling very physically demanding

03:26:46.680 even very dangerous that you could that you could start to introduce and it's something that you

03:26:53.200 kind of need to keep doing because i'm in my 30s and it becomes painfully clear to me that

03:26:58.100 i am what my routines are you know i like to box i've fallen out of my routine of boxing you got

03:27:03.880 to get back into it because if you you don't use it you lose it so you got you got to think of this

03:27:08.340 like i'm developing something that needs constant maintenance i need to be introducing new stuff

03:27:13.780 to keep this thing going it's like an organism i need to keep going it's not just an affiliation

03:27:19.320 i put on a card but once you start really thinking about it you can probably come up with some ideas

03:27:25.300 that that aren't just you know you had something that said something very interesting there

03:27:29.220 about uh going to church together a while ago um i know there might not be a whole lot of christians

03:27:34.560 listening but that was one positive problem that uh i'm a catholic and when i would talk to my

03:27:40.600 priest every every church has the same fucking problem not enough people in there but that's a

03:27:45.840 task you could take on probably in a very real way but aside from that sort of thing stuff you

03:27:52.760 can do as a group there's all kinds of shit and you know i'll don't go and shoot people let's just

03:27:58.580 again be clear about that but stuff that in the orbit of around that yeah yeah look i don't

03:28:05.920 people have these like views from the past of these like kinetic actions of like as i said

03:28:12.500 this sort of turner diary stuff which is just utterly ridiculous and it's not it's not even

03:28:17.700 how power works like power is nothing to do with violence violence is what you do when you don't

03:28:23.640 have power and you're trying to like impose a will power fundamentally is cooperation it like

03:28:30.140 i would define it as um the ability the ability to coerce someone to action or inaction and the

03:28:37.920 state does this all the time in subtle ways so you know like law enforcement works on this principle

03:28:47.460 that you may not get caught now but you will eventually be caught and so it's got a power

03:28:52.680 of coercion where people are dissuaded from certain actions by that so what you've really

03:28:58.960 got to think about and i try and think about in these terms how do you create a benefit to as

03:29:03.580 many people who are your in-group as possible create as little harm as possible and solve

03:29:10.320 governance issues and when i say governance issues i'll take it to the sort of extreme

03:29:14.500 so you know life isn't a game of minecraft you don't build everything yourself you can only know

03:29:21.760 so much you can only do so much so you've got to be able to cooperate with a certain number of

03:29:25.140 people but it gets harder and harder to cooperate at larger and larger scales going to something

03:29:30.260 like a church is the easiest way to cooperate it doesn't i don't really care if you don't believe

03:29:35.580 in it you get together it's a social network it's guys you can build trust with you know you meet a

03:29:41.580 lot of interesting people um the people you meet there are usually high quality you know similarly

03:29:47.420 if you want to do something like judo or muay thai you're selecting for people who kind of can't

03:29:52.500 lean our way anyway and they're kind of function usually functional people if they can keep up a

03:29:57.820 habit for many years of perform like being in these circles you know it is about the habits

03:30:03.760 it's about habitually doing the same thing over and over and slowly growing into the person that

03:30:09.240 you want to be if i could just interrupt for two seconds i wanted to read uh chat i've been showing

03:30:14.180 these on the screen but i know there are people who are going to be listening just to the audio

03:30:17.560 later and this is a merrick leaving a note here saying i'm working on a camping trip where our

03:30:23.620 guys make a deal with a local farmer who will camp on the farmer's land arrange the purchase

03:30:28.360 of a whole cow and host a big barbecue for the local community and he follows up we plan on

03:30:34.080 offering up free labor to the farmer by day what are your thoughts about that because i believe you

03:30:40.960 also have some experience and we've kind of touched on these uh topics going throughout

03:30:46.320 this entire thing but you have some experience in leading an active group and in around after

03:30:50.880 groups like personal direct experience correct well i didn't really want to be the leadership

03:30:56.560 but i kind of ended up in that position like i ended up just again like resolving issues that

03:31:01.680 we had internally right like this is a very complex thing to deal with so look when you're

03:31:08.480 in an active club right you've got to understand that basically whoever takes autonomous action

03:31:16.480 is immediately going to the top basically because most people uh kind of they just don't act they

03:31:22.240 don't think they just want to participate and there's a certain momentum of action you have to

03:31:27.200 maintain and you have to act to obviously resolve internal issues to to pull things off to get

03:31:34.560 get things done and i ended up in a leadership position more just because i was willing to

03:31:42.060 stand up and and solve problems and do stuff not because i actually particularly wanted to

03:31:46.240 um and i can't say i was a success like ultimately it it it did wind down but we had all these

03:31:54.580 failures that i i ended up having to pick up pieces of and learned a lot of lessons from

03:31:59.000 so i think so for i can go over a lot of them because there's a lot of them that are

03:32:04.480 mostly just like negative and there's some that are really positive i think i'll go with the

03:32:07.500 positive ones first i think the positive ones i learned were you know these the guys you meet in

03:32:14.640 the stuff are like the best and the worst of people you'll meet guys who would you know they'll give

03:32:20.560 you their day they'll drive four hours to get to you to help you out and then you will meet the

03:32:25.560 worst swindling terrible people at the same time um i don't know if it's something about the

03:32:32.720 this sort of person who's attracted to it but it just seems to to bring both of those types of

03:32:38.340 people and then another factor because i'm going to speak very lightly here because i don't want

03:32:44.520 to i don't want to chew into other people too much but of course one of the things you find

03:32:50.660 is again like so you really have to be able to connect wider objectives with the actions you

03:32:57.480 take so you have to be able to say okay what are our objectives and you have to think very clearly

03:33:03.440 about it and if your objective is to build like a man important like a group of men doing a thing

03:33:09.060 to achieve an end right you have to have a momentum of action so that means you have to

03:33:13.700 regularly be meeting up you have to be doing things together you have to and um you have to

03:33:19.460 consider the environment you're in are the media going to facilitate your growth are you able to

03:33:24.240 communicate in such a way that you can grow your audience are you in a content ghetto

03:33:29.960 where no one can see your stuff where you're banned off everything right and you have to

03:33:35.780 kind of be able to turn that into what is a way to go forward to grow to get people to to be a

03:33:42.480 network that's worth being in right and the other factor you have to consider is you're in a very

03:33:49.160 hostile environment you're you're going to deal with um obviously like antifa's law enforcement

03:33:56.320 um journalists you're dealing with passives and neutrals who may not necessarily

03:34:01.660 uh dislike you but aren't necessarily your friend and you have to think you know okay so i need to

03:34:10.900 say find something for the guys to do so you might go stickering and postering which is actually a

03:34:17.020 really effective way to get guys out there but then you discover oh no like for whatever reason

03:34:23.300 our stickers and posters are getting like having all of them dusted for prints because we're wrong

03:34:29.060 thinkers right there's all sorts of things you have to consider and i don't want to discourage

03:34:37.300 people but when you're leading in these groups um it basically consists of being very stressed

03:34:43.820 and uh trying to manage and resolve those issues and if you do it successfully you grow and if you

03:34:50.280 don't you you run into problems but i can talk about i can talk a lot about what causes failures

03:34:55.540 i would love to hear that as much detail as you'd be willing to give without causing any problems

03:35:01.620 of course that's okay um so i think one thing about is vetting you have to really control the

03:35:07.720 quality of guys that you're getting there's a lot of guys who are just who who might apply who are

03:35:12.100 just not appropriate people who repel other people people who are lazy and useless people

03:35:19.180 who are psychopathic people who have violent tendencies people who are fundamentally

03:35:28.020 dysfunctional people who you just have to fit them to exclude them they're people who if even

03:35:37.720 if they're genuine in their ideology and belief um if they if they have that hoe scaring energy

03:35:43.680 if they give the ick unfortunately you you have to exclude them and i i realize that's maybe not

03:35:50.220 the most popular perspective for a lot of people but the quality of the guys that you bring in

03:35:54.620 matters and there are a lot of people who just aren't the sort of human material that you want

03:36:02.840 because they will do things or say things that will get other people in trouble.

03:36:09.780 They will attract aggro, as I call it before.

03:36:13.980 And on the other side of that, there is also the fact that you're going to have people attempting to infiltrate

03:36:19.100 to shame and humiliate either journalists, antifers, law enforcement, intelligence agents.

03:36:28.660 It can be a very complex base.

03:36:30.660 so for example

03:36:32.040 I rooted out

03:36:34.000 three infiltrators in my time

03:36:36.480 and

03:36:38.060 you can pick them up

03:36:39.400 you can find them as you go along

03:36:41.900 you'll notice they don't know anything about the ideology

03:36:43.940 in some cases

03:36:44.760 for example we had an infiltrator who was a person

03:36:48.120 who knew the ideology

03:36:50.040 very well

03:36:50.620 but they were just happy to take time

03:36:53.600 they were happy to get paid

03:36:55.560 you get people who

03:36:59.880 slip through gaps because of poor vetting you get people who um

03:37:07.200 will get given like we we caught somebody who knew the ideology pretty well but then if you

03:37:17.020 questioned between the gaps it was obvious that they'd been reading off some sort of brief

03:37:20.100 who i think was a police symbol trader you have all sorts of issues it's a very complex space

03:37:26.220 Yeah, and I think that's the most interesting part I find with people who can recite certain things. And we found a few of these individuals who even tried to get into our chat. Because, you know, believe it or not, Blood Satellite tends to get quite a bit of attention. You know, every single day, there's like, and I mean, every single day, there's a brute force attack on our website to try and hack it.

03:37:49.540 I can see it because we have it. We're partnered up with a pretty good security company, but we get a lot of digital attacks in our communities.

03:37:59.760 There's been some people where, you know, here's one. Here's one thing that we do just in our chat.

03:38:05.260 This isn't any inside baseball, but every person who joins has to say a creative slur.

03:38:12.220 it has to be creative so you need to have you need to possess a certain level like you kind

03:38:20.620 of know you can't just do the obvious one you can't just drop an embalm it's like no i need

03:38:25.220 you to make something up that we can read as something offensive because someone who's new

03:38:31.560 wouldn't know how to do that and we've actually caught some people who didn't know how to do that

03:38:34.800 or they they weren't like you said upon questioning or the conversation revealed

03:38:39.840 that they just watched a couple like america first videos they knew like talking points about

03:38:45.760 like they thought they think more people are anti-woman than they think like they

03:38:50.720 make a cartoon character of themselves and then they uh then they get kicked out you know um and

03:38:56.760 you'll notice that they start fighting with people but don't want to leave either like little things

03:39:00.080 little things like that yeah there's definitely like uh there's some sort of covert online i'm

03:39:07.800 pretty sure it's like police or something to do this stuff or like some sort of intel unit or

03:39:11.880 something or some sort of military unit that does it that just like goes into these spaces

03:39:15.260 and they follow sort of talking points that are digested for them by quote-unquote extremism

03:39:20.720 experts but but fundamentally those extremism experts or whatever are usually like radical

03:39:25.340 leftist professors and so they fundamentally politicize all the content they put out about us

03:39:30.040 so they get these like they have like total misperceptions about how how guys in the sphere

03:39:35.600 think yeah um and so it comes across as ridiculous you know like the yeah it is something you can

03:39:44.040 definitely see it's very interesting and and if you know what you're looking for you can see it

03:39:47.440 you can definitely filter it i think that you know there's different clubs who do different things so

03:39:51.480 like you know national socialist network in australia they just opt for not being online

03:39:56.500 they they do have online chats i think but they they they just make their guys work out and they

03:40:01.780 exclude people by basically you know your average leftist is is a limp-wristed like bag of feet of

03:40:08.600 bones right and one thing my co-host judas says he advocates for this very strongly and i agree

03:40:14.480 with it he says like um in so many words there's fed infiltrators you know federal agents or there's

03:40:21.540 just spergs you know and the fact of the matter is you don't need to differentiate between these

03:40:26.400 two both of those are effectively the same thing and you should treat them the same because

03:40:31.160 a wild unhinged spurg will have the same effect as an actual government infiltrator and you just

03:40:37.320 don't want these people around whatever it is whether it's just clumsy ideological ignorance

03:40:42.220 or they're actually like paid to be there just get them out because it's just going to be the

03:40:45.920 same problem yeah um i think another fact to consider is guys who um one of the obvious ones

03:40:56.580 is guys who just have lacked the maturity to not be able to like say the n-word like they can't

03:41:01.600 just like they're always picking fights you find out they'll cause problems by just stupid points

03:41:09.840 and stupid rhetoric but look there's other ones i think i think maybe a more coherent point to

03:41:15.120 understand this is when you're running one of these groups you have to maintain a momentum

03:41:20.600 so the worst thing to do is to freeze up into an action and it's better to do something with

03:41:28.700 a poor plan than to expect a perfect plan that'll go well so what does that mean that means at least

03:41:35.780 once a month once a month go out and do something as a group together do something like it collectively

03:41:41.220 dedicated as a group it could be going for a hike it could be just training together um

03:41:47.460 something like that right i i try to delegate tasks to individual people who are members

03:41:54.160 in a sort of ranked way where it's like one guy will be dedicated to learning say judo

03:41:59.000 and then when we have a training session that guy is our trainer right he's there to teach us

03:42:03.440 and he goes to judo say three times a week and maybe not everyone else can go to judo but he

03:42:07.880 can do that right or you have a guy who's got an expertise like we had a guy who had a phd

03:42:14.360 he was incredibly smart and so what we would do is some of our enemies who are academics

03:42:20.740 he would go and peer review their papers and then find out where they'd you know not reference

03:42:26.380 things properly or lied on sources and then he'd report that to the academic journal and then

03:42:31.680 basically get their papers pulled from academic journals and he was doing it to these quote

03:42:35.980 unquote counter extremism researchers and then costing them prestige to the point of costing

03:42:40.660 them government contracts which was a very very effective move using a kind of skill set that he

03:42:47.240 had that was unique to him but it's something that he could do that was very effective right

03:42:53.280 there's all sorts of things and you've really got to think like how do you maintain momentum of

03:42:58.400 action like what are you what is the next step as you go along and sometimes it's simple it's just

03:43:04.360 like let's just do a community garden tidy up um one i actually recommend is join your local

03:43:09.480 volunteer firefighter volunteer firefighting has a lot of like look it's old guys they're all white

03:43:17.560 they're all like doing it because they're community oriented guys they've got a lot of

03:43:22.200 the same mindset they're a lot of out guys too and there's a lot of benefits to it it looks really

03:43:28.920 good on your resume it looks really good to other people if you if you're doxxed it looks really

03:43:32.280 good um they often have credit unions which you can use if you're going to be debanked

03:43:36.920 there's there's all sorts of advantages to it and and also they they're kind of desperate for guys

03:43:41.920 so they're not going to throw you out and it's a good way to spend your time and if i could just

03:43:46.580 add on top of that um i live in ontario in canada and a lot of people don't know this unless you

03:43:51.880 worked in government but the vast majority of our firefighting infrastructure is volunteer based we

03:43:58.800 actually don't have a lot of federal or provincial firefighters it's just it's all volunteers it's

03:44:05.060 meant some of them are paid and they can do that as full-time work but for a lot of these towns a

03:44:09.460 lot of these villages even some of the smaller cities like it's either that or everyone dies in

03:44:14.820 a fire so that that actually is needed as well and like you had said it's mostly old people i

03:44:20.820 discussed this in a recent vanguardist journal article i wrote and it's about the um cross

03:44:25.700 generational wealth transfer engine basically how to extract capital from these institutions and

03:44:32.820 groupings of boomers and how to kind of appropriate that for younger generations grabbing the torch

03:44:37.380 as it were and it kind of lists in detail ways you could do that and one of them is these civic

03:44:42.580 organizations or volunteer firefighters like these groups are just kind of sitting there

03:44:46.420 there's no young people and there's a lot of capital and influence and um infrastructure

03:44:52.900 bound up in there that's kind of ripe for the picking right now and again it's not glorious

03:44:58.020 it's not you know joining the next big political party that's gonna have the ear of jd dance or

03:45:04.020 whatever the but i would argue that it's far more substantive it's far more essential

03:45:10.260 than you know the lottery of who's going to be the next e-celeb or whatever well people have

03:45:16.180 this idea of great manism it's like you get all these guys who are like i'm the next napoleon

03:45:21.460 right and it's like just just accept the smallness of what you could do just accept that you if

03:45:27.860 you like small efforts in small ways you can make a big difference and it's also just you know like

03:45:34.100 that the habits you have make you the man you will be and if you even if it's something small

03:45:38.900 like doing volunteer firefighting like it it even if you don't care for it it's better than the

03:45:44.900 consumptiveness like what are you going to do sit in front of your computer and play video games

03:45:48.820 like woof like what it's such a better use of your time you know and yes these

03:45:54.020 these institutions are just waiting there because no one else is doing them everyone else is kind of

03:45:58.500 living in this consumptive um this is a consumptive way where they kind of live like um i don't know

03:46:05.700 like like a hamster in a hamster wheel or like a hamster cage where they're just doing nothing all

03:46:10.500 day and it's it's not a way to live and you've got that's what you've really got to accept

03:46:15.700 participatory and a lot of people in our space they're asking the question what can we do and

03:46:22.420 by we it's a capital w we meaning all of us all white guys are all nationalists but it's a mass

03:46:29.920 they're always thinking in terms of a mass movement and one thing we try and get to on our

03:46:34.080 show is what can you do and by you i mean the listener you mean the individual because

03:46:39.120 mass movements are hard to coordinate but there's things that you can do right fucking now and maybe

03:46:45.740 you won't be a great man but you will be cool i don't want to be a great man i just want to be

03:46:50.080 cool and so there's a list of cool things I could do this would be one of them but there's stuff

03:46:54.800 all of us can do that in my opinion is more impressive than making yourself a slave for the

03:47:01.520 next content plantation movement whatever it might be there's a few we all I don't even need to list

03:47:07.260 them now but there's a lot of stuff going on right now that's designed to entrap young ambitious

03:47:13.320 people into just a cycle of rage to extract money for the internal hierarchy basically america first

03:47:22.340 is what i'm talking about here uh let's name one but there's a lot of groups that are just there

03:47:28.000 to exploit people and this is sort of the anti-exploitative network um we're just trying

03:47:33.940 to give people tools that they can use to uh to do this for themselves i also want to bring

03:47:39.540 call attention to a comment from melon here the amish have a massive leg up on this not everyone

03:47:45.540 can be a six foot tall dutch speaking bearded white guy um just uh so melon knows that 511

03:47:52.320 is in fact the new six so uh let's just make sure people update their definitions there

03:47:58.280 um and then uh jack socks sending in the mormons to trick the amish could be one

03:48:05.100 future subversive act that we need to keep an eye out for now we're at an hour 37 i know you

03:48:11.980 need to get going soon i was wondering if you have a little bit of time to discuss one topic

03:48:17.720 that i wanted to get to and we could spend a lot of time on this and we don't need to but if you

03:48:22.360 wanted to share a few words on the doxing experience and what an individual might do if

03:48:29.680 they are involved in something like this what can they expect from doxing and perhaps what was your

03:48:34.240 experience if you'd be willing to share any of that well like you can you can google my name

03:48:40.500 i'm doxxed but i think the way to understand it is so doxxing is a weapon that came about

03:48:47.540 after the trump era but it had existed before and what is the purpose of doxxing doxxing is really

03:48:52.940 a kind of internet phenomenon of if somebody googles your name what comes up right doxxing

03:49:00.320 is a punishment that the regime has like concluded is a very effective tool for guys who are in the

03:49:05.740 white collar space it's actually one of the things that i think excludes a lot of guys who are

03:49:10.180 kind of corporate guys you know one of the educated guys because they're worried about their careers

03:49:14.580 right and their guy like blue collar guys aren't really affected by this because if you

03:49:19.320 you know if you're in a blue collar workplace like people will joke with you about this stuff

03:49:23.100 or talk with you openly about it but no one actually cares whereas if you are under the

03:49:26.380 tyranny of hr like most definitely they do right so the way that so just so that conceptual framing

03:49:36.280 what you're going to deal with is there's a spectrum there's them doxing you on twitter

03:49:42.320 there's your name ending up on like some sort of communist website and then there's you ending up

03:49:47.120 in the news right and they're kind of ranges of severity i was news but what you've got to

03:49:55.480 understand is what they're trying to do is they're trying to isolate you from social networks so they

03:50:00.540 want to make you like a contagion so that you can't depend on friends and family like people

03:50:07.180 who will know what you think and who have had like know your views will suddenly dislike you because

03:50:13.420 it's low status to be that position and because you've been media burned and it's not because

03:50:18.320 they actually care it's because they're worried about what other people think of you it's that

03:50:24.300 perception and not necessarily what they think so look what it is to be doxxed fundamentally

03:50:33.160 is it's a very rapid onset you get hit all of a sudden you get like it you discover it and then

03:50:40.340 it's like oh fuck and you'll get a sinking feeling in your stomach you'll want to hide away

03:50:44.400 firstly don't talk to journalists journalists are going to show up at your door or like

03:50:49.900 they showed up to like all my family members actually in my case and they went to my mum's

03:50:54.520 work they did all sorts of gross things when they were coming for me um you're going to get hit by

03:51:00.480 law enforcement and intelligence agents they can show up at your door um they're going to harass

03:51:05.100 you don't speak to them they're looking for ways to get an easy win and right off the media cycle

03:51:11.660 too um and so as a third it's also keep calm it goes as quickly as it came

03:51:19.360 in terms of finding work look you're basically not going to be able to work in the corporate

03:51:25.180 world again so you're going to have to accept that you're not going to be able to be like a

03:51:28.780 white collar bug man but if you contract if you run your own business um it doesn't really matter

03:51:36.720 like it's just another day of the week

03:51:39.180 because if you're running your own business

03:51:42.200 people don't actually care at all

03:51:44.440 I was working white collar

03:51:47.760 and I ended up just starting a company and contracting

03:51:51.580 people didn't actually care

03:51:53.640 the main issue you're going to deal with

03:51:56.280 is again it's that google ability

03:52:00.840 and that does matter if you're an employee

03:52:04.000 because obviously it brings the employer into disrepute but if you're just like contracting

03:52:09.680 and you'll say uh you know making software on consultant on consult like people don't actually

03:52:17.120 care at all um but there's a lot of moves you can do to preemptively deal with docs and like

03:52:23.600 handle it in advance one is to build that social network and social capital so you have people you

03:52:29.760 can depend on when things fall over two i think is actually to be open about your views to people

03:52:34.720 you know personally because it lightens the blow a lot of it is the surprise people are shocked to

03:52:43.360 discover some sort of dark side to you whereas people who knew the entire time like all my

03:52:47.600 friends and family know they didn't particularly care but it was my wife's friends who were shocked

03:52:53.200 by because they didn't know so what you've got to kind of manage there is the expectation

03:53:00.940 right i think that's like something that we've tried to do on the show and i apologize for

03:53:06.120 interrupting you but i just want to provide some context for the listeners that judas and i many

03:53:13.040 christ we've been doing this too long we've been doing this entirely too long point being that

03:53:18.820 you know years ago you know we got together saying if everything goes right everything goes

03:53:25.040 right with the show doxings and inevitability like what the best case scenario is you get popular

03:53:30.660 more popular you are the more effective you are the higher the likelihood of you being doxed so

03:53:36.280 with that inevitability in mind we should prepare in the sense that there's there's nothing that

03:53:42.460 we've said on the show that i haven't said to my friends my family um even and that sounds kind of

03:53:50.680 crazy because we say some wild shit on the show but they they're used to it like it's not going

03:53:56.300 to be a mask off moment if we were ever doxxed not really um maybe some of us some of them and

03:54:03.720 also on the show we've gone a bit too esoteric and trippy and schizophrenic so the more radical

03:54:09.960 stuff that we talk about probably wouldn't even register as dangerous because it's just insane

03:54:16.320 some of it anyway but that's that's something that we've tried to and that's why i recommend

03:54:20.880 other people do too like get comfortable with explaining your beliefs as radical as they might

03:54:27.280 be to your mom or your friends maybe not your boss right don't be stupid but people in your

03:54:34.160 circle so at least it's not going to come as a fucking shock yeah so it's about the language

03:54:40.940 you use i think a lot of taboo is to do with language like it's the words themselves that

03:54:46.460 are taboo and not necessarily the concept you can say a lot of concepts in indirect ways

03:54:51.400 in such a way that people understand what you're saying but they're not offended and you mean the

03:54:55.860 same thing and a lot of it is to do with yeah just the way you communicate it it sounds crazy just

03:55:02.820 to say this i'm not saying this is something you believe in i'm just saying from me to the audience

03:55:06.720 there is a way to do this with holocaust denial you can do it i've done it it's tricky no i've

03:55:13.100 done it before it's tricky you can do it but it's like pick pick the crate pick the most

03:55:17.700 on the mainstream thing you think you can probably figure out a way yeah although i think with that

03:55:24.160 one that's usually one of the last four on the path to becoming sort of aware on these things

03:55:29.940 also it's hard to bring up like it's not something that comes up in conversation unless

03:55:33.780 you introduce it and let's let's let's make a note like usually it's not the best thing to

03:55:38.980 introduce to at fucking christmas dinner but if it finds its way there whatever but yeah look

03:55:46.180 the worst thing to happen to you is to be alone you need to have that social network you need

03:55:50.980 the social capital right that's what's important because if you're handling it alone it's miserable

03:55:56.460 but if you've got guys who can pick you up so for example when i was doxed i just had a friend who

03:56:02.640 gave me a job as a painter i just got a job painting and doing construction and i had that

03:56:07.480 by like two days after i was out of my job didn't really matter and i could keep feeding my family

03:56:14.540 and i was good to go and then i i got to build my own business and that is fundamentally where

03:56:20.680 need to be i think fundamentally you need to be in that space um and i also i was gonna say there's

03:56:28.680 a question here a chat question for jordan many of us who woke up during gamer gate have a spurgy

03:56:35.640 gamer past any tips on distancing self from that beyond just having matured and not repeating

03:56:43.880 i think it's like a life thing that you grow out of it like i used to be like a gamer guy myself

03:56:48.440 like i used to enjoy them um but i think i think it's a case of finding new habits so like you know

03:56:56.360 if you're again like if you're working every day from say eight to four or nine to five and then

03:57:01.560 you go to a gym doing judo three times a week or whatever right that's and i recommend judo because

03:57:07.080 it's kind of standardized it teaches you a lot it's very useful um it's usually cheap it's much

03:57:12.040 cheaper than bjj and you'll find a club around you that can teach you pretty well you know you just

03:57:18.200 just got to build habits for a new life for new things like video games exploit a part of your

03:57:24.220 brain and hijack it in a way that's very hard to deal with because you find yourself you find

03:57:32.380 yourself just consumed by wanting to play them because it's you know you've got these you set a

03:57:36.300 goal you have fun looking at all the bright colors on the screen doing whatever you're doing and then

03:57:40.900 you achieve it and it's kind of it's fundamentally empty it's not fundamentally improving your life

03:57:46.160 um the problem is that it draws in so many guys and they'll get to the state where you know they

03:57:52.800 might have a job they might be earning money they have a place to stay they have a car maybe they

03:57:56.540 have a girlfriend and then they just stop progressing because they're like i'm good enough

03:58:00.620 and that's the main problem with them i don't mind if you play video games it's okay to play

03:58:06.940 them occasionally but the a lot of the thing you find with a lot of our guys is they are consumed

03:58:11.520 by it like they get home from work and they play video games and that's all they do

03:58:14.160 i agree completely and i would even apply that to um any other broadcast media any other

03:58:24.060 things like movies and tv so i apply that to myself as well because i haven't played a video

03:58:27.680 game in quite some time that's only because i haven't been able to find the time but you know

03:58:31.960 sometimes i'll fill in the gaps with you know if you're if you find yourself watching a show

03:58:36.000 you're not excited about you probably shouldn't be doing that and there's not a lot of stuff

03:58:40.080 media wise to get terribly excited about um like this year it's not a very good year for movies

03:58:46.560 i'm not even that excited about the joker sequel to be completely fucking honest but um it's

03:58:52.000 something that becomes very evident once you have children especially for me having a son

03:59:00.840 was very interesting because you really do look at that son like what am i going to introduce to

03:59:06.540 his life that can maximize his success for the type of stuff we're talking about so you're

03:59:11.420 thinking sports you're thinking what kind of clubs can he be a part of what type of camp

03:59:15.860 can he go to um for me a big thing was i want to teach him these skills you know i'll give you an

03:59:22.260 example skiing i've never been skiing before i was never taught that growing up and then it's a

03:59:27.340 weird thing to kind of just do on your own as an adult but like i would like my son nickels to have

03:59:33.120 that so i'm like well i guess i need to start like i need to actualize this i need to start

03:59:38.500 accumulating these skills to pass them down now you don't need to have a child to do that

03:59:44.000 um it just that becomes very immediate once you have a child if you're the type of person who's

03:59:49.660 in our side of things where you give a shit about raising the the man of the future rather than just

03:59:55.880 seeing them as a financial burden like some other people do but you'll start saying like well i

04:00:00.700 actually need to be the man that i want to be to raise this individual to be the man that he should

04:00:07.480 be so that's something that you know we started dealing with very very fast once they're born

04:00:12.000 be the sort of dad because i'm a dad as well i've got two kids be the sort of dad who your kids

04:00:20.180 really want they want they want to enjoy you as their dad they feel safe around you

04:00:25.920 they think you're like you know they're excited for you to come home every day you know that's

04:00:30.640 what you want to be you want to become that man and i think a lot of it again it's it's about the

04:00:36.400 way you live you're living humbly for other people and like men are kind of judged they don't have

04:00:41.680 inherent value men have men are judged entirely by what they do and by making yourself a good man

04:00:46.240 and doing what's right that's that's what matters right that's the important thing and that's a

04:00:52.140 slow process you become it over time it's not necessarily direct but you can make decisions

04:00:56.520 along the way to get yourself there and you know like just just as an example when i was doxxed

04:01:02.600 i was running for council and uh because i had relatively good standing in the community and

04:01:09.000 because i knew a lot of people i got 15 of the vote even being labeled with all those nasty

04:01:15.640 labels with the media and the media were not happy about it nor were leftists in fact they

04:01:20.680 they started dumping refugees on my town after that because they were upset about it

04:01:23.720 be the man who yeah they did they started dumping them um in there they they chucked them in all

04:01:29.720 the social housing and stuff but like you've got to be the man who is respected enough by his

04:01:33.980 community um that he could still you know be something after all that and it's not the end

04:01:42.540 at all actually it's not the end in fact one of the things i found is i got a ton of legitimacy

04:01:46.040 from it people were like oh you're legit because i can google you this is what i hear of other

04:01:52.660 people who've been docs too like it's it's terrible you don't like it it feels very frightening but

04:02:00.480 you know just uh there's probably an individual that people don't like hearing about but his name

04:02:05.160 was gavin mcinnis and um a lot i i was always a fan of gavin mcinnis growing up but he had this

04:02:11.740 same sort of realization when he came out as right wing he said he said you a lot of bridges

04:02:16.460 collapse but you'll be surprised at how it's like sending up a signal flare for better or worse

04:02:23.240 everyone knows where you are but there may be more friendly people out there than you initially

04:02:28.120 thought um it's a risk it's a gamble depending where you live but that's kind of why you always

04:02:33.700 tell people like trying like we've just been talking about try and ingratiate yourself in a

04:02:37.880 community where you're not a stranger where you kind of know where people are now if you're in

04:02:42.960 san francisco maybe that's a problem but maybe you shouldn't be living in san francisco then

04:02:48.000 maybe you know you should be in a place where you're not going to be lynched when this stuff

04:02:54.240 when people know the real you they're not going to want to kill you yeah so young dudes without

04:02:58.700 families should be in cities young dudes are older dudes who have families or want to settle down

04:03:03.740 go out to your ethno community like just go as far out as you can um you can find work

04:03:11.100 it's not worth living in like a hellscape like mega city um just for the money because you

04:03:19.200 you'll just hate it um yeah i can say one thing and this is by revealing a bit too much about

04:03:26.240 myself but there is um a power that comes with aging i'm in my mid-30s um so if you are doctor

04:03:34.900 someone wants to come after you my god they could come after your parents jobs they could come after

04:03:39.720 your family look i only got one grandparent left they passed away most of the older people a lot

04:03:46.420 of people my mom's age my mom's retired they're all retired you can't really take anything from

04:03:50.840 them so they can't threaten my mom with being fired that's just it's a little thing but the

04:03:58.600 more you grow up the more you have kind of solidified your standing but then also everyone

04:04:02.500 they can't use my family against me nearly as much as when they could when i was like 21 or

04:04:08.820 something and that just comes with being an old chunk of coal like me well i also think doxing is

04:04:15.020 not as effective as it used to be i think they've done it to too many people it's been too widespread

04:04:20.080 of a punishment for too many people and so it's very obvious that there's like large networks of

04:04:24.020 people i think you can see this in in the canadian case with that diagonal on stuff where they're

04:04:28.700 doing those like hilarious tours around the country and driving a media clown show like the

04:04:33.620 problem you have is like when it becomes obvious that there's actually a significant number of

04:04:37.380 people it it fundamentally weakens it if it's if it's a small handful right and it's punishing

04:04:45.540 leadership it's effective but um i think david zutty of the homeland institute has done polling

04:04:52.680 on this on like you know how people perceive someone who's called one way or another and found

04:04:57.960 um these sorts of a lot of people will boycott these like radical radical leftist and marxist

04:05:04.100 groups and i actually think it's something that you can apply back obviously within the limits of

04:05:07.720 the law because obviously um these these radical leftist groups do not have law enforced against

04:05:12.760 them when they're doxing wrong thinkers uh but they would enforce the law against you if you

04:05:17.700 were doxing them back uh so you have to consider those things um but it is actually it's i think

04:05:24.700 it's gotten less effective over time and i think that's why you're seeing you're seeing like a

04:05:29.880 a thing where they've just kind of i don't know if you've noticed this but they've just dropped

04:05:33.200 talking about dissident rights stuff in mainstream media they just give us they they follow a sort of

04:05:38.800 blackout principle where they just never talk about it anymore because i just don't think they

04:05:43.840 have the self-confidence uh to do that anymore without making people like the person that they're

04:05:49.140 hating on yeah and also what they're hoping is that when they dock someone that they're again

04:05:56.040 ugly and stupid and they're failures and there have been a few high-profile doxes where once

04:06:02.600 the person's docs it turns out that they're very normal that that works against them when they

04:06:07.860 look at this person who's saying this radical stuff it turns out he's kind of cool and he's

04:06:13.040 a family man for a long time i don't think they understood that that's not the narrative that

04:06:18.340 serves their interests so they've actually you know i think the last big one would have been um

04:06:24.000 like jazz hands from fashion the nation and it turns out he if the docs are true they try to

04:06:31.000 make real hay out of this um he's a pretty normal successful guy and that doesn't rile up the public

04:06:38.520 yeah it doesn't and and i think the problem that they have is our scene has basically filtered all

04:06:46.960 of the low functioning guys because it's such a harsh pressure like if you're if you're a dumb

04:06:52.260 ass you're being excluded if you can't argue and articulate your points well you're excluded

04:06:56.760 and so it's selected for high quality guys over time and that's very self-evident in the

04:07:03.860 discussions like you know compare compare like the leftist discussions that you might see on

04:07:08.140 twitter or unlike i don't know reddit like they live in the same paradigm of this very simple

04:07:15.700 class and sort of um inherited liberal talking point space where nothing has changed but the

04:07:22.440 discourse in our spaces is incredible like i wouldn't be surprised if a very large portion

04:07:27.420 of the people who hang out in the dissident sphere are just there because it's the interesting place

04:07:31.940 with the interesting ideas oh no and not necessarily because they agree with anything in it

04:07:35.640 and that's what's interesting that's um we discussed this on the show too that poses a

04:07:41.340 problem because the one thing that we had going for us as we've been discussing and i know we

04:07:46.020 have to get going soon so this can maybe be the last thing the one thing we've had going for us

04:07:50.600 is sort of that bottleneck of filters where we're not the friendliest space to be in there's a lot

04:07:56.520 of vetting that's what i always loved about telegram it's not very intuitive if you want

04:08:00.820 to get into telegram and kind of be a known person when i got on like you needed to be invited to

04:08:06.340 chats people needed to know you in some sense um and then so but it wasn't very user friendly

04:08:13.420 to the average social media user and that worked in our favor and as we begin to win as more people

04:08:19.920 at the very least accept our talking points even though they won't give us credit whatever

04:08:25.240 as that occurs more and more people will flood into the space which is a win condition for sure

04:08:32.400 however we need those filters more than ever before because there's a lot of people coming in

04:08:37.700 with a lot of ideological priors a lot of expectations and they're gonna probably cause

04:08:43.740 more problems and that's what one of the main reasons i wanted to talk about this with you

04:08:47.440 which is this is a phenomenal filtration process i think for every other benefit we've listed

04:08:53.880 for the active club model i think it's probably the last great filter we have as we begin to win

04:09:01.340 more and more in the future not to say we're winning everything right now but you know i

04:09:06.080 think there are there is we're moving the needle in some sense politically but now more than ever

04:09:12.000 we need to look at who is in our vicinity and sort through the people who can probably do us

04:09:19.120 harm in the future, even, you know, accidentally. Yeah, no, I'd like to end on a positive note,

04:09:25.080 which is I think the regime is giving way. I think the regime is giving way a lot.

04:09:30.460 And the way you can tell this is the competency crisis is very self-evident. And just at a

04:09:38.100 macro level with the collapse of foreign policy power with say the united states and its war in

04:09:42.460 ukraine um a lot of the narratives like how can you deny things like uh like zog has an

04:09:48.060 as an entity when you're looking at what's going on with that conflict in the middle east right now

04:09:53.260 and the sycophancy of various states you're in this position where uh the media just can't talk

04:10:01.080 about it because it just reinforces our talking points like one of the things one of the things

04:10:04.720 I think we have a huge advantage in, is we can talk about a lot of stuff where the establishment

04:10:10.720 has too many commitments to ideological and liberal priors that it cannot fundamentally

04:10:15.720 step away from. And so it is unable to respond and act to all these emergent things, as we've

04:10:21.600 seen in the UK, where the culmination of all these terrible incidents has been these protests.

04:10:28.120 And the regime just can't actually acknowledge any legitimacy of grievance. It has to lie about it,

04:10:32.500 has to say it was misinformation and fit it into a very small narrative box which is just not

04:10:37.460 believable and over time this is causing uh people to disengage from the regime and gives us a space

04:10:44.340 to grow in the cracks and the crevices so yeah i agree completely and i think that's as good a time

04:10:53.460 to disembark as any and i wanted to give you a chance and we didn't get to mention this at the

04:10:57.860 the start if there is anything you'd like to be plugging any anywhere people can find you anything

04:11:02.900 that you would like to promote i think now is the best time to do that i'm just on telegram you can

04:11:08.600 find me at winter's eve um and i'm in the chat so you can chat to me there yeah and once again you

04:11:15.260 you're a treasure trove of knowledge there's a lot of stuff i bet we didn't even get to this time

04:11:19.780 but uh i've deeply deeply enjoyed this conversation we touched on stuff that i

04:11:25.040 have been very fascinated with for quite some time and uh i think you helped give people some

04:11:31.220 insight that they just hadn't heard before in this sort of thing and i think it's applicable

04:11:35.180 to people who live in canada america the uk anywhere um and so if anyone wants to uh learn

04:11:43.140 more i don't want to send too many freaks your way but uh try try and find jordan and ask him

04:11:48.800 Hey, baby, I hear the blues are calling

04:11:52.040 Tall salads and scrambled eggs

04:11:54.880 And maybe I seem a bit confused

04:11:59.460 Yeah, maybe, but I got you, Craig

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