Blood Satellite - The West Is In The Mail [＂pure quebecois phenotype＂]

00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.720 blood satellite we're talking what we're talking about is uh because judas has uh two daughters

00:00:23.120 one is you're just over two years old how old is she she's turning three in three weeks so

00:00:28.860 she's almost three why i was way off all right so but it's a difficult age and and this is

00:00:35.460 something that i worry about because my son is going to be born uh in a few months and you know

00:00:40.460 it's always got babies everyone has babies but then there is i think it's real and i think the

00:00:46.780 age of two and up there's like a little window of time there where it's about as bad as having a 0.94

00:00:52.120 teenager um just in terms of rebellion that doesn't make any fucking sense and you don't

00:00:57.680 had a reason with them yeah but you're just saying so my question was always like what do i do in 0.80

00:01:03.260 that situation so you know a lot of people that go corporal punishment they go way over they they

00:01:08.900 a kid you described the scenario i'm talking too much you go ahead okay so i'll be in in light of

00:01:15.560 what you just said i do want to bring up because if people talk like you just said oh maybe maybe

00:01:20.000 it's as bad as teenagers and i do hear from people all the time that teenagers are like oh it's the

00:01:24.560 worst. We tell people that we have, we have toddlers. They're like, Oh, you just wait till

00:01:28.880 they're 13. And while I'm sure that there's horrible things at 13, I, what I do notice with

00:01:34.720 a lot of people who like have objectively bad parenting is this stacks over time. So it kind

00:01:39.760 of goes farther and farther off the rails every year if you aren't doing the right thing and it

00:01:43.360 gets harder and harder. So by the time you get to 13, you just have a fucking bad kid. And that's 0.99

00:01:47.320 not because kids are bad. That's because you're a bad parent. Sorry, but that's what it is. And

00:01:50.940 i'm not saying i'm the best parent but what i've noticed and this is this was the story is like our

00:01:55.600 three or she's essentially three our three-year-old she's at this stage where she kind of understands

00:02:01.140 her own free will and she understands that she can push our buttons and test our authority the 0.87

00:02:06.380 example i gave was sometimes we call her for dinner and she's doing something playing with

00:02:10.260 toys or something and she's like no i don't want to come for dinner i'm like no you have to eat

00:02:14.160 your dinner your toys will wait she comes to the table she goes to get in the chair and then she

00:02:18.960 like collapses ragdolls on the floor and she's like i don't know how to get in the chair help 1.00

00:02:23.460 lift me up i don't know how to do it and i'm like that's ridiculous you know how to get in the chair 0.97

00:02:27.760 which just just a pause that is a pretty good bit it is i want to do that and next time you

00:02:36.140 invite me to dinner i'm gonna just collapse on the dimes i forgot how to sit in a chair

00:02:42.840 that's so funny to do as an adult like you're at a you i'm having you over to my home for dinner 0.99

00:02:49.220 like and you just got a big shit eating grin like i forgot how to stand and you're just star fishing 0.99

00:02:55.660 on the floor what do you do and maybe the answer is what you would do to a child and also an adult 0.99

00:03:03.420 and we're gonna find that out now yes so i was saying kind of in the middle range of responses

00:03:09.300 which is usually me on a weeknight as I kind of emotionally railroad a little bit raise my voice

00:03:15.780 you know do the count to three threaten as in if you don't get in your chair right now and eat your

00:03:21.800 dinner you're not gonna like what's gonna happen you're gonna go straight to bed and you're not

00:03:25.480 gonna get any crackers and I'm not gonna read you a story and you're gonna cry it's gonna be

00:03:29.000 horrible you don't want that and the west will have fallen and she really doesn't want that

00:03:32.960 and that actually does work but it works and it results in like um there's some tears and

00:03:39.080 it's not an enjoyable evening and so if she does eat her dinner and then we're gonna go watch a

00:03:43.040 movie or do something together before bed it's not as nice because like it wasn't a good experience

00:03:47.820 the positive thing that my that requires a lot more investment in emotional energy here

00:03:52.540 one that my wife figured out is that if you if you realize what she's doing and you say look if

00:03:58.360 i don't think you've forgotten but maybe you have um but if you don't get in your chair or figure

00:04:04.080 it out you're not going to be able to eat your dinner uh and i guess you can you're just going

00:04:08.600 to go to bed or you're just going to lie there i mean you have to resolve this right and then at

00:04:12.860 that point you turn away and just ignore her and don't give her any juice you know like emotional

00:04:18.740 juice and just start eating your dinner and usually within like five or ten seconds she just

00:04:22.660 gets in the chair because she's just kind of gauging your reaction and seeing if she can get

00:04:28.200 something out of you or part of it is i think she's like she's establishing that she's gonna

00:04:34.180 do it but she's not doing it because you told her to she's doing it because she wants to do it and

00:04:38.480 the truth is she does want to do it because it's a good dinner right and then the third thing that

00:04:42.500 we've noticed you even within our family with a lot of parents is maybe you've had a long day

00:04:48.980 and you don't have any emotional energy and you just throw your hands up and say 0.98

00:04:52.360 fuck it whatever just let her do it and i was saying we have a cousin whose kids will go over 0.99

00:04:58.660 to my uh to my grant like my parents place and they will like not want to eat their craft dinner 1.00

00:05:05.800 or something and the parents the cousins will just throw their hands up it's like oh whatever

00:05:10.080 and then the kids will go watch tv and my parents are like aren't you gonna are you gonna say

00:05:14.940 something aren't you gonna bring them back to the table it's like no no no uh he's three there's

00:05:19.700 nothing you can do he doesn't listen to me anyways and it's like i know how that feels

00:05:24.240 but they're like if you if you don't aren't prepared to invest at least a little bit at

00:05:29.760 least the emotional railroading and if not that even better would be actually interacting with

00:05:34.980 the kid investing you know some of that energy and making it a teachable moment and kind of

00:05:38.880 letting getting them to do the correct thing and habitualizing it because if you don't that's i

00:05:43.800 think where you get 13 year olds who are nightmares and everybody's like oh these kids are horrible i

00:05:48.720 hate teenagers yeah and that and that's how you end up i'm gonna give you two examples pulled right

00:05:54.700 from this book of dimes so that i think we've talked about this before my one of my cousins

00:06:00.280 who he's a nice enough guy well actually you know what okay i'm gonna tell you two stories i want to

00:06:06.160 save the second one because it's a bit more chilling and i think something's involved there

00:06:11.760 but uh the first one is you're the end game of the type of kid that you're talking about the one

00:06:17.940 who always gets what he wants and then that compounds over time and increases in severity

00:06:22.780 it's someone from uh my wife's side of the family and i've only met them a few times it was always

00:06:28.720 at family functions so it's a room full of people and it would have been at her grandparents place

00:06:34.220 when all the aunts and uncles and everyone comes together packed house and i'd be sitting there

00:06:38.760 and everyone's bringing food or buying food it's usually like a potluck of some kind

00:06:42.920 and then it's it's all good food but then there here comes this kid and he must be 13 or 14 um

00:06:50.380 old he's old enough to talk and he's he's he's in high school i guess i i have no concept of what a 0.76

00:06:55.300 13 year old does my memory is all fucked up i don't know what i was at that age but he's old 0.67

00:06:59.620 enough where you know he's he's listening to moody music videos now if i if he i was his age 0.91

00:07:07.840 back when i was good this would be the prime era of uh lincoln park songs set to dragon ball z clips

00:07:14.980 yes and taking that very very seriously that's that i'm not saying i did that but i was in the

00:07:20.700 milieu of people where that was going on um so and and he comes in and this kid can only eat

00:07:28.160 a little caesar's pizza cheese pizza and so every family function huge spread of food that also it's

00:07:35.980 So it's not like, oh, he doesn't like this type of food.

00:07:37.660 There's a mix of all kinds of fast food.

00:07:39.560 He could only eat cheese pizza from this one place.

00:07:43.880 So his dad, they got to come correct.

00:07:46.360 And Little Caesars, I don't know if they have Little Caesars in the States,

00:07:49.200 but like it's takeout pizza.

00:07:50.640 It's not even real pizza.

00:07:51.980 It's pizza that's like a coffee shop pizza.

00:07:55.220 They put it in the preheater and it's sitting there for five hours

00:07:58.960 and you go and grab three slices.

00:08:00.340 Like it's the worst pizza.

00:08:01.920 I think it would go below Domino's, right?

00:08:05.300 Because Domino's, at least, it's like the Taco Bell of pizza.

00:08:09.080 It's having fun with it.

00:08:09.740 Yeah, they got the corn flour.

00:08:10.780 They got some interesting stuff.

00:08:11.940 It's not good quality, yeah.

00:08:13.180 But Little Caesars is essentially one step above microwave pizza.

00:08:18.380 It's highly suicidal pizza.

00:08:21.960 If someone's eating Little Caesars, you should check on them.

00:08:26.180 But that's how you end up as a kid.

00:08:28.320 And then I've asked a question a couple times.

00:08:30.800 I'm like, hey, what's with the pizza?

00:08:33.280 I was like, don't ask.

00:08:35.300 same thing you're just talking about it's like look you just i can't do i can't i just can't

00:08:41.360 right now and then you're like okay so this goes on for till he's 23 when how does this end and

00:08:48.720 when does it end so like when it has to end at some time but i don't know how i don't know how 0.95

00:08:53.900 you and according to them it's every meal every fucking meal this kid eats has to be cheese pizza 0.93

00:09:01.020 and he's not fat either he's not he will be one day obviously that's the thing is it's hormonal 0.99

00:09:06.540 right if he's only 13 by the time he's 18 or 19 he's going to be morbidly obese but he's just 0.83

00:09:12.280 growing so yeah it's fucked up and so you know i'm using that as an example just to show people

00:09:17.280 it doesn't get better and and the other one is one of my cousins who's a nice kid but i had the 0.95

00:09:25.020 pleasure of speaking to him recently and he was always he's in his mid-20s now uh so too old to be

00:09:32.360 you know burdened by any of the stuff we're talking about he would be a neat so he's very

00:09:36.540 much like your brother he's a guy doesn't work doesn't go to school lives his parents sits at

00:09:42.020 home all day um kind of schlubby you know wearing hoodies he's got a beard but just

00:09:47.080 he doesn't you know when i say someone has a beard it's like having a car so you know you

00:09:53.840 have a car because you drive around you maintain it you you do something with it he has a beard

00:09:58.420 in the sense he has a car on his lawn you know i don't know he just it's there he doesn't take

00:10:04.280 care of it it's present but i you doubt that he has ownership over it it just appeared one day

00:10:10.480 and it's scraggly and it's shitty it's uneven um and so you know i talked to him and he kind of

00:10:17.200 gave off the aura of being a gamer and i can talk i i play games you play games a lot of us 0.99

00:10:23.120 even just being online you kind of photosynthesize gamer stuff so you can kind of shoot the shit 0.50

00:10:29.040 like about any like anything like sports or cars whatever right so i go up to him and i'm i don't

00:10:35.560 i don't talk one-on-one with him ever and i guess it's troubling that girls seem automatically

00:10:42.140 repulsed by him um like he's the type of guy where i've heard other women i say he's kind of

00:10:47.800 weird looking and i'm like don't don't be mean uh by girls i mean my wife

00:10:52.600 just what's his just that the face girls make you know the face like it's kind of scrunched up

00:10:59.740 uh that and they don't have control over it it's just biological whatever and then uh i talked to

00:11:05.700 him and i'm like hey so uh what do you like to do he's like nothing i'm like okay well you know

00:11:12.240 nothing you know everyone i know you don't work you know but i'm like hey what are you into what

00:11:17.140 you got any interest he's like no but do you like you like gaming i used to but i don't really play

00:11:24.300 games anymore i'm like so so what do you what do you do day to day he's like nothing and as i'm

00:11:30.460 talking to him i'm like so you just like sit and stare that's what this is the story i'm getting

00:11:36.920 right yeah yeah and he used to be a gamer what i think is going on is i think they put him on

00:11:42.380 some kind of medication yeah i think he's on some kind of because you know how these kids you get

00:11:47.160 zombified you get in the ssri so you can get in a state where he just stares straight ahead but he

00:11:52.020 seems lucid enough but i'm like and then this i've been seeing him on family functions for years 0.86

00:11:58.520 and every time someone tries people treat them like they would a teenager so you know you have

00:12:03.080 like a young teenager and they're becoming adults and adults don't really know how to integrate

00:12:08.000 teenagers into the family conversation right you're at the kids table now you're kind of at

00:12:13.000 the adult table but you what do you talk to him about did you talk to him like a kid

00:12:16.720 or an adult are they bothered by that so sometimes we'll try and engage him in the conversation

00:12:22.840 and then we'll ask things that he doesn't have answers to like oh what are you up to and he'll

00:12:27.000 say nothing and then his his dad will pipe up and say what that's gonna change soon like i'm gonna 0.84

00:12:31.980 put the hammer down i'm like nigga it's been five years i've been hearing this for five years like 0.90

00:12:37.180 i don't just stop just throw him in the swamp i don't know i don't know what i would but like to 0.84

00:12:45.000 your point like you get to how do you get to that position because it can't just be that he was a

00:12:51.300 perfect kid and then one day he turned into a slug it has to be like a graduated evolution of

00:12:59.400 oh just let him eat dinner in his room just let him he's not going to eat vegetables okay just

00:13:03.940 give them pizza pockets just let them i i can't what am i gonna do i'm just the parent you know

00:13:09.260 and i this that has to be what leads to this i don't know for sure but that has to be it no

00:13:14.100 definitely it's it's it's depressingly simple as a process and by by that i mean at any moment

00:13:22.060 a little bit of willpower and tenacity on the part of the parent either parent could resolve this and

00:13:28.420 they just don't and i like you're observing it i observed it with my my brother's 32 and he's in

00:13:33.200 this exact same position and it's exclusively because my mom just dotes on him and doesn't um

00:13:41.000 has never done any of this and now he's a ward of the state and of course the government isn't

00:13:45.240 going to do anything so yeah i mean it's it would be so fucking simple like in my brother's case

00:13:50.100 the only way it'll ever get fixed very sadly is when my mom dies me and my dad can go beat the 0.73

00:13:56.680 shit out of him and you know figure figuratively and then uh something might change but i mean 0.98

00:14:02.960 aside from that like it's it's uh it sucks just beating him up now as like a grown man who's in 0.99

00:14:10.880 his he's he's 30 now right he's 32 he's 32 so just it would seem like tough love to a 2020 0.97

00:14:19.040 21 year old 20 year old now it's just you're beating the shit out by it's just a brawl yeah

00:14:23.820 just a grown man who looks you know i'm not trying to sound mean he looks like the body type of 0.86

00:14:32.380 brendan frazier in the whale i was just gonna say he lead that is it that is it because it's not just

00:14:38.280 the obesity it's the paleness and like slight wrinkles and stubble and like bags under the eyes

00:14:45.620 and greasy hair and yeah it's it's a sad look yeah and it's maybe that maybe he was like that

00:14:53.980 when he was skinny too like maybe that's just an odd face to have well look like 12 year olds look 0.98

00:15:00.180 like that you don't fault them because they're fucking 12 year olds their moms have to remind 0.91

00:15:03.480 them to take a shower still right but i mean it's different he's a weird face to have at any weight 0.99

00:15:11.140 but at that same time he doesn't really look like you you know maybe he's always been fat but like

00:15:19.040 my memory of him is like your face structure is different anyway no one cares about actually

00:15:24.620 actually and this is well this is maybe interesting to some people if you have a sibling or i don't

00:15:30.760 know whether this is interesting but i always was frightened because i actually look almost

00:15:36.340 exactly like my brother we're close in age and if you look at pictures of us from when we were

00:15:40.560 teenagers when we were both thin we both look almost identical so when i look at him i see my

00:15:47.220 facial structure that's what i would look like if i was like 180 pounds head oh that's what i would

00:15:52.820 look like and it's like damn in fact part of the reason i think i'm as thin as i am is because i 0.92

00:15:57.720 interact with my brother often enough to remind me to not eat as much you're always getting hit 0.86

00:16:02.220 with the ghost of christmas future yeah essentially every time you hang out with them you're seeing 0.98

00:16:07.640 through the fucking looking glass into what happens if you if you put the the carpentry 0.97

00:16:13.860 nails down i don't know what you do at work all day make crucifixes or whatever yes yes 1.00

00:16:18.800 once you once judas is done crucifying the lord

00:16:23.200 this has been years of setting up that joke everyone just marinate in that do you know

00:16:30.080 how much setup went to go to judas crucifying christ that just dropped and here we are you 0.97

00:16:36.620 you had to get into wood i've been playing this since we were in fucking high school 0.87

00:16:41.060 he wasn't always in the day new the day new mall this is the day new mall you want to know what 0.99

00:16:47.420 this sort of childhood stuff leads to childhood stuff i must be an asshole uh it leads to i did

00:16:56.320 something i shouldn't have done i marathoned many videos from this online video project called soft 0.93

00:17:05.060 white underbelly have you heard about this yeah yeah i've seen some of those yeah and i've never

00:17:10.260 seen them before um i got recommended some and i've heard about though um i heard you know murmurs

00:17:15.120 of it and i never really knew what it was and i just instinctually didn't want to get close to

00:17:20.540 it because this seems it seemed like it might be like a new york times thing like oh we're doing 0.95

00:17:25.280 human interest stuff oh like humans of new york or whatever the fuck it is like that's i hate that

00:17:30.780 it but i watched it and it was uh what it is it's you know this guy camera sits down interviews 0.56

00:17:38.280 someone for people who don't know um and black and white uh usually um or maybe not maybe some

00:17:44.400 color but it even though it's a color it feels like it's in black and white but it reminded me

00:17:49.680 and once i the reason i stuck with it because it reminded me of this uh series that i'd watched

00:17:54.200 years and years ago that i really really liked and it was by david lynch and it was just called

00:17:59.120 interview project hello you're tuned into interview project today we're meeting chris swartz

00:18:08.880 the team found chris using a metal detector in his front yard enjoy the interview

00:18:17.440 and what he would do it wasn't him but he had a crew and maybe it's related maybe it's the

00:18:23.360 same people i don't know but he had a crew going around and they would go all throughout

00:18:27.120 from middle america and the south and these small towns villages and whatnot and just interview

00:18:32.600 people interview interesting looking people people who you kind of look at them and maybe they got a

00:18:37.720 story to tell and they always did you know i don't know how many interviews they did but every one

00:18:42.320 you watched uh it was someone with a cool story and talking about their childhood how they got

00:18:47.600 there everyone's got some interesting story to tell as by david lynch who you know i think a lot

00:18:53.040 people get the wrong idea about because david lynch they think the the strange stuff the abstract

00:18:58.720 spooky stuff but as a director i found he's had a very deep appreciation and and adoration of

00:19:06.600 americana he loves small town america he loves like the 50s and the 60s he's kind of he's a

00:19:13.240 romantic about you know small town american life and that's actually why twin peaks works

00:19:18.080 a Twin Peaks written and created by anyone else would get it wrong entirely because so many people

00:19:25.420 like telling the story like a horror story in the small town where the small town in America

00:19:31.560 any town USA is secretly evil there's an evil lurking in the town which is a critique on the

00:19:39.440 town itself but in Twin Peaks you know the town itself is idyllic and perfect and the evil just

00:19:45.440 visits there it's not from the town itself and you can only tell a story like twin peaks if you

00:19:50.920 actually have an affection for the small town and the characters who live there because it's not

00:19:55.640 full of evil backwards bigoted sick inbred characters which is what you would imagine from

00:20:01.900 anyone else in hollywood who would make a show like twin peaks yeah jordan peele makes twin peaks 0.98

00:20:08.340 and everyone's an inbred racist and and they he just screams at the sky why isn't anyone liking

00:20:14.840 this you know but anyway so it needs the same thing but um uh soft white underbelly is different 0.87

00:20:22.380 because it's a bit more sensational so you know interview project was interviewing regular people

00:20:28.640 and this one it's like i'm going to start here's a meth addict here is a rapist here is a flasher 0.65

00:20:35.620 so you start off with like i'm we're interviewing the dregs and degenerates and you're just 0.76

00:20:41.620 interested in the sensationalism of that so i don't you know hate that but it's a different

00:20:45.840 tone there's less you know it starts off more like a circus or a freak show which is the opposite of

00:20:51.700 what this guy wanted to do this is a guy who he's a lib you know probably a progressive guy he's just

00:20:59.120 saying oh we have a homeless problem he lives in la by skid row so you just start interviewing

00:21:03.860 people on skid row um which is a massive homeless camp and you get all kinds of meth heads crack 0.91

00:21:10.340 blackheads prostitutes schizophrenics and then he would interview them um and then what i had

00:21:17.480 found that the first one i watched uh has nothing to do with what i'm going to talk about but 0.96

00:21:21.180 actually it kind of does um it was this inbred uh west virginia family called the whittakers

00:21:28.240 um i don't i might have linked this in the chat but uh yeah and that is fucking wild that's a

00:21:36.180 bad one to start with you should i'm going to recommend people work their way up to that one

00:21:41.020 so we're driving down this dirt road we come around this bend there's a shack on the left

00:21:47.100 and there's a trailer on the right small trailer and there's about 10 or 12 people just walking

00:21:53.620 around and we're going really slow so they're they're not used to cars coming by at all but

00:21:59.000 going that slow they definitely we got their attention and it's like everyone you look at

00:22:05.500 it's like their eyeballs are going this way and a single tooth among them not a single

00:22:10.780 tooth in any of their heads and they look at us and we look at them and they start yep and

00:22:15.740 screaming and barking and yeah some of them are just staring at us and drooling and it's like 0.92

00:22:20.060 yeah these people yeah this was the video the inbred family the whittakers yeah let's play

00:22:26.140 some of this because so that that sound is this man barking none of them speak

00:22:50.560 Now, you guys grew up here in Odd, West Virginia. How many years have you lived here?

00:22:57.860 I don't know. I don't know.

00:23:00.900 You guys, I mean, did you go to school?

00:23:09.020 You did? Some of your brothers and sisters probably didn't go to school, or how much schooling did they get?

00:23:14.940 These are all brothers and sisters.

00:23:16.880 Well, we were talking, before we started recording, we were talking about acid, right?

00:23:20.560 And to me, these are a sociological trip.

00:23:25.860 And it depends where you're at and what you're thinking of.

00:23:28.840 Because you could also, I was going to say, and I could expand on that,

00:23:32.280 but the way that I view Soft White Underbelly, it's gore.

00:23:35.300 It's sociological gore.

00:23:37.260 So it's real and raw and you don't necessarily want to look at it

00:23:41.720 and you don't necessarily learn anything from it

00:23:43.300 and it might make you throw up in your mouth.

00:23:45.220 But it is real and there might be value,

00:23:47.440 but it's hard to discern what the value is.

00:23:49.080 but the reason that i say that is there's like there's gore as in chinese woman gets sucked into

00:23:54.720 escalator and there's gore like world war ii soldier shot in trenches and they're both gore

00:24:01.680 but they have different meanings and effects on people depending on what you're thinking of and

00:24:05.840 then whether or not you're a masochist or a sadist so like it depends on the person for me watching 0.99

00:24:10.980 the whitaker family it made me sad but it didn't hurt me but watching some of the other ones that 0.97

00:24:17.820 are just degeneracy and the revelry of degeneracy really hurts like it's i don't want to watch this 1.00

00:24:25.800 it makes me angry it makes me it's very upsetting yeah and the funny thing is it's i think for me

00:24:33.880 uh when i was watching these i went through an entire roller coaster of emotions yeah and i

00:24:39.120 yeah just to end with um you know just that headline of this will be that my takeaway for

00:24:45.380 most of them is that oh these people should just be shot yes not even out of vengeance not out of

00:24:50.620 sickness it's just some of these people are so far gone i'm like it's best for everyone i i look at 0.60

00:24:57.440 this like some of them are so far gone you look at them as if they were rabid dogs how do you solve 0.99

00:25:01.800 the rabid dog problem in fucking brazil it's like well i guess you uh leave a bunch of poison out 0.76

00:25:08.700 and then you send out some guys at night to clean it up when no one's looking yeah uh but 0.98

00:25:15.300 But, you know, so the Whitaker family, that's what I'm saying with the Whitakers, because the Whitakers are an interesting one, because, you know, it's this family.

00:25:22.020 I believe it's a couple women and a couple guys, and they live in absolute poverty in the woods, but they are self-sufficient.

00:25:33.080 So they know how to survive. They're not wards of the state.

00:25:35.220 They are truly like, you know, Appalachian, you know, mountain people.

00:25:39.720 so what's interesting about mountain people is i guess that the um positive side if you want to

00:25:44.640 look at this from through a political lens would be that you know as i don't want to use this word 0.99

00:25:50.860 but as retarded as people are because many of the they their minds don't work right no they're 0.98

00:25:56.080 retarded like they're actually retarded but they know at least they have a house that they maintain 0.95

00:26:01.940 they have neighbors that look out for them to keep outsiders from gawking basically but they 0.95

00:26:06.340 seem to at least have one sort of matriarch there that takes care of it so i always think like you 1.00

00:26:11.060 know i don't want to it's not ideal but you know there's loads of people out there mainly white

00:26:16.680 people who just no matter how poor they are they can take care of themselves so there's like a

00:26:22.540 self-sufficiency angle there that i like but like you know once you see them if you see the video

00:26:27.580 you're look you're surveying them on their porch they got both eyes looking two different directions

00:26:33.160 one guy's like straight up drooling this is the hills have eyes uh they don't seem violent they

00:26:40.240 don't see you know they're not antagonistic they seem to be quite lovely people and he talks to

00:26:45.180 one guy there is completely non-verbal he barks this guy looks like he's in his 50s none of them

00:26:50.580 have teeth but also all of them are wearing filthy clothes they look like hoarders which is i guess

00:26:56.520 what you would have to be if you live in those circumstances but uh you know the guy who barks

00:27:01.200 seems nice but he's not all there obviously um but then you're watching them like oh they're

00:27:06.700 very nice and all the comments are very lovely and nice and he's such a sweet soul and then you

00:27:14.160 realize like yeah but this is like an incest family though so we are talking i would assume

00:27:20.340 at some point a fair amount of rape and grooming and coercion like i don't know at what at what

00:27:26.900 juncture of the family tree that occurred at i actually saw a video online of a guy who actually

00:27:32.620 traced through their family tree and kind of pinpointed where like the cousin marrying started

00:27:37.180 but it's like you know at you know what you are talking about here is probably

00:27:41.940 no small amount of sexual abuse right like that or maybe not definitely but like in the in the

00:27:49.480 video in the in the interview the one woman the older woman who could speak cogently

00:27:55.660 uh was either in denial or was not interested in talking about inbreeding he asked her quite

00:28:02.260 directly about it a couple of times i think yeah and she's just like no i mean he's just like was

00:28:06.780 there a special relationship between your parents you know were they brother and sister were they

00:28:11.180 cousin and she's like you know what not to my knowledge but hey um and it's like when he's

00:28:15.900 like well where did where did all your medical problems come from she's like you know you could

00:28:19.100 it's between me and god like i don't know so i mean um that for me i get from that that

00:28:26.540 it's at the very least past her generation it's something that is at minimum a taboo

00:28:34.400 you know what i mean it's not like this family is carrying the torch of incest and rape with them

00:28:40.020 they're victims of incest and rape you know like those you and so i don't want it's different from 0.96

00:28:46.360 like the degenerate you know twink crackheads and on la skid row who are 100 percent victims of 0.94

00:28:54.460 their own bad decisions these people are not victims of their own bad decisions they're just 0.97

00:28:58.240 victims you know they were born this way because their parents were horrible people and thank god 1.00

00:29:01.920 their fucking parents are dead but i mean it's there was a moment where in the video that was 0.99

00:29:08.600 looking at this family's tree and it's very well researched this guy who has a channel he does this 1.00

00:29:13.780 sort of thing um and he kind of pinpointed like as far back as you could go here's the the first

00:29:18.820 guy who came over and is like you know hugh hl whitaker and he came over on the fucking mayflower

00:29:25.160 or something you know like he was the he came to america from england and you look at his photo 0.75

00:29:30.620 and he's very distinguished and uh you know look at the family tree and you start there and then

00:29:37.120 you end up here and it just that was probably the most deflating part to me that this one guy

00:29:42.540 even he was thinking like i'm gonna carry on the whitaker name right and then a few generations 0.87

00:29:50.100 later it's like cross-eyed drooling fucking living in a shack i'm like and i don't know like because 0.89

00:29:57.900 we are our side of things is always about bloodlines and you know carrying the family 0.98

00:30:02.340 name and surviving biologically i'm like man i would fucking hate it if like a few generations 0.96

00:30:07.400 down the line it's it for some reason it just ends up being retards i can't control that and 0.94

00:30:13.280 that that scares me maybe it shouldn't like it's beyond my control who cares right i guess but 0.96

00:30:18.520 just looking at the photo of that distinguished old man then cut to that the barking cross-eyed 0.93

00:30:27.280 guy who's like who's emaciated and wearing an old fucking spongebob shirt i'm like well 0.84

00:30:33.060 if only you knew how bad things really are yeah um and then you know that was the way i started 0.95

00:30:42.180 with and then i went down uh sort of the same rabbit hole everyone goes on also he interviewed

00:30:47.320 this guy named um there's some people there who told generous and there's some people who are

00:30:53.540 just oddities who are kind of treating it like joe rogan i think so he also interviewed michael

00:30:59.180 Franzese, F-R-A-N-Z-E-S-E

00:31:01.920 and this is a guy who's been

00:31:03.480 around. He's like a motivational speaker

00:31:05.040 and he's

00:31:06.980 his story is that

00:31:09.240 he is a former high-ranking

00:31:11.620 mob boss and

00:31:13.380 I guess he's retired from the mafia

00:31:15.060 and he just goes on podcasts

00:31:17.540 he just goes on shows

00:31:19.060 he goes on Vice and they do the thing

00:31:21.300 where they show mob scenes

00:31:23.240 and he talks about how accurate

00:31:25.260 it is

00:31:26.440 and that he just does the circuit

00:31:29.060 so he's on there too and again i'm looking at him like i i like you less seeing you here like 1.00

00:31:35.020 you just seem like an opportunist fucking asshole he just lives like beverly hills and shit but he's 0.99

00:31:40.740 he's there dressed dressed the part dressing like an old mafioso and he's got stories for days and 1.00

00:31:47.060 i'll tell you this just as a sidebar i don't know what to make this guy i don't get former mob guys

00:31:52.700 who spill the beans.

00:31:55.460 What is the state of it now?

00:31:57.500 You know, it still exists.

00:31:59.180 It's certainly not going away in my lifetime,

00:32:02.180 but it's not the same.

00:32:03.700 It's really not.

00:32:05.020 You know, the government did a,

00:32:07.040 I guess you got to say, a good job starting in the 80s.

00:32:09.960 And I give Giuliani the credit or blame.

00:32:13.000 He put the last dirt in my coffin.

00:32:15.640 He really started to use the racketeering laws effectively.

00:32:19.080 It was him.

00:32:20.320 He hated them pretty much, huh?

00:32:22.080 Yeah.

00:32:22.340 he uh you know and he was italian too he just uh he gave the story that he visited joe banano and

00:32:28.580 he got insulted over banano's book that he wrote that time so he decided to go after the mob

00:32:33.100 and for him like his whole thing was like he was famous for going um you know the irishman uh the

00:32:40.900 part that was played by de niro frank sheeran the guy who allegedly shot jimmy hoffa you know that's

00:32:48.080 the story and there's there's a book about him this guy comes out and says no no he didn't do

00:32:51.860 it yeah we i know for a fact he didn't do it the part i don't understand i've heard people say this

00:32:56.920 before like with the ice man remember the ice man yeah claimed to have killed all these people also

00:33:01.840 claimed to have killed jimmy hoffa uh the mob goes out and denies it they said we've never even heard

00:33:06.840 of him but part of me is wondering and this will you know any any mob people please don't whack me 0.99

00:33:15.760 over this but how fucking stupid is the mafia for not just letting them run with it like i understand 0.99

00:33:23.100 if you're like oh this guy is just an opportunist taking uh credit for this assassination to which 1.00

00:33:30.240 i would say let them because that's heat off of you like what the so like all these retired mob 0.97

00:33:37.520 guys are saying the killer is still out there like who does that fucking benefit like that just seems 0.99

00:33:43.100 like if i was a mafia guy i would love it if there were these shitheads out there taking credit for 0.98

00:33:49.300 all these high profile murders and just taking them off the cold case list indefinitely and 0.95

00:33:55.520 they're just they just every time these cases go out they pull them back in

00:34:00.860 does that make sense like what do you think about this i am not i am not a mob boss but i mean

00:34:09.220 from watching a lot of movies we just watched the lucky numbers 11 the other night again

00:34:13.700 which is i think is a great movie but uh i will say odd pick continue yeah sorry um isn't it

00:34:21.340 isn't it like sometimes the part of the objective of whacking somebody is that everybody every

00:34:30.960 nobody knows that you did it but everybody knows that you did it you know what i mean

00:34:34.320 yeah like it's that perfect middle ground where there's not enough evidence to convict but there's

00:34:39.620 more than enough evidence for everybody to know that the reason that guy was killed was because

00:34:44.540 he fucked with the wrong mob right so i mean if if suddenly all of those murders were like claimed 0.89

00:34:52.220 by some whack job who's unrelated to the mob everybody would be like oh good thing there's 0.99

00:34:57.540 no mob around here i guess i can you know not pay my bookie with impunity right yeah so okay

00:35:04.140 that might be it it just seems strange to me to keep like yeah we did it but i'm not gonna tell

00:35:10.040 you who it's like like that that's unnecessary but it seems to be intentionally what they're

00:35:15.780 doing they're like hey could have been anybody could have been me i'm not saying who was it

00:35:20.620 would be funny if it wasn't the mob and the mob actually never killed anybody

00:35:24.940 they're just trying to stay maybe we did it did you guys have got us all wrong we haven't been

00:35:31.480 doing this stuff it's not us geez this whole thing is different if they're just a bunch of

00:35:36.500 fat like elementary school dropouts hanging out that's it watch every i'm in waste management i 0.61

00:35:46.560 literally drive a garbage truck why are you guys giving me such a hot time management i'm in waste 1.00

00:35:52.780 management geez toy soprano is just a fat dumbass just a fact that just keeps cheating on his wife 0.99

00:36:00.320 because he lives in a McMansion and that that impresses the types of women he's going after 1.00

00:36:05.200 they're naturally violent people because they're italian so they get in a lot of bar fights and 1.00

00:36:10.460 they drive drunk and you know sometimes there's death involved but it's usually like murders of 1.00

00:36:17.460 passion like it's not organized crime it's just crime sopranos is a great show if you edit out 1.00

00:36:23.880 all of the crime and it's just a bunch of retarded like yeah like fucking new jersey 1.00

00:36:31.960 fucking guinea dumbasses hanging out in the fucking back of a strip club it's just jersey 1.00

00:36:37.480 friends they should just call it friends or however you would say it in an italian accent 1.00

00:36:42.900 a bunch of guys hanging out in a strip club where no one ever seems to be

00:36:47.140 just in the back in the middle of the day the least popular strip club ever

00:36:51.400 um yeah so i'm good anyway i just had to bone it big with that guy i just i don't get the angle

00:36:57.220 with the some of these retired mob guys but then i just kept watching and then some are good some 0.79

00:37:02.680 like one was just this woman who's a like a tweaker on meth and she's got almost like clown 0.96

00:37:10.260 hair she looks like she's a mulatto of some persuasion and she's got kooky hair looks like 1.00

00:37:16.360 she crawled out of a sewer drain and then you know and she's very clearly this is the problem 0.99

00:37:22.840 with schizophrenics sometimes they'll skate say they're schizophrenics but you don't know for sure

00:37:27.400 so she says she's bug-eyed and she's talking with full confidence and she's not making any sense

00:37:34.980 all right so juliana yes juliana where are you from originally los angeles you grew up in la

00:37:40.960 yes tell me about how you grew up yeah both here i went to portland organ first and i went to the

00:37:45.340 Ochogeo, Cocoa, Pineville, Horace,

00:37:46.980 and Forests and Morrisstries, Ministries. 0.96

00:37:49.940 And it was a tactic dermis area.

00:37:51.880 And so we were like little pet detectives in Little Tokyo. 0.92

00:37:55.020 And I found this lady named Lacey Tuttle 1.00

00:37:57.480 in the 4th and Alameda apartments.

00:38:00.760 And she was the reason why I was sent to Los Angeles.

00:38:03.460 And so she's my identical twin sister.

00:38:05.360 And she came out here to be a model.

00:38:06.900 And so she has a very well-to-do, 0.87

00:38:08.440 but then she disappeared.

00:38:09.400 You remember the Lacey Peterson case?

00:38:12.200 Lacey Tuttle was her married name.

00:38:13.760 And so I came out here to get her

00:38:16.080 and to take pictures of her,

00:38:17.760 to send back to Portland, Oregon that she's still alive. 0.99

00:38:20.280 Cause the second she got married, 0.98

00:38:21.860 her name got lost in the system.

00:38:23.700 And so they blamed me for her death. 0.72

00:38:25.640 Cause what a poor boo-hoo, she's the one we love.

00:38:28.300 So I was like, I'll be basic title.

00:38:29.520 So I was like pressing the button.

00:38:30.980 And I was like key percent sign C zero, I'm C O.

00:38:35.980 I have your messages for you.

00:38:38.020 I got two drop-down gorgeous facts.

00:38:39.760 tell me about your family your parents and there's like a point where it's like do you

00:38:46.040 have kids it's like yes i have five kids it's like where are they now they are waiting in the

00:38:50.660 food stamp line how long they've been there six months and it just a look in her eyes like she's

00:38:56.100 not joking she truly means what she just said you're like okay well i don't think your kids

00:39:01.260 have been waiting in line for six months and then she'll say she's got schizophrenia i'm like okay

00:39:06.140 but wait do you have schizophrenia or you just you've done so many drugs that you now have it

00:39:12.720 or you gave yourself schizophrenia or what like you don't know where to start tugging on that

00:39:17.120 thread i don't know where the line is between meth heads or crack heads and schizophrenia

00:39:21.980 because i i've met actual schizophrenics who i believe were not cracked out but i've met a lot 0.88

00:39:28.380 of crack heads and to me it's it's the same shit it's that exact thing it's talking with extreme 0.99

00:39:33.860 sincerity and confidence it's about something that makes absolutely no fucking sense like it's 0.99

00:39:39.560 just incoherent and she's telling me that she went to jail to get bone cancer right it's they 0.85

00:39:46.500 they thought it was cheap it was they have it i mean i'm gonna go where it is right yeah i get it's

00:39:51.620 like but you're like okay wait dude like did someone tell you that you had cancer at some

00:39:57.280 point and then that got twisted up or where what do we do here and then these are the ones you

00:40:01.460 look at where you say okay well maybe i don't shoot you maybe we give you an injection of some

00:40:06.620 kind but you're not for this world anymore and i know it's probably a chain of tragedies

00:40:12.880 that led you to this but it's like how sometimes you have to look at child soldiers like that like

00:40:18.460 if you have like a kid who at a very young age was trained to rape and butcher and torture people

00:40:24.660 it's like they've tried with these kids there's no way to reintegrate them in society and like

00:40:29.780 the guy who films this his name is mike i think um he had put it best because he's he's very much

00:40:36.320 looks like a california lib guy but a lot of california lib guys who actually you know

00:40:42.960 submerge themselves in this life they come out the other side and he's like i think he was on

00:40:48.820 joe rogan i saw a clip and he was like they're like he's like at one point i tried to help these

00:40:53.400 people he's like early on when i was filming some people would say like i need to go to rehab and

00:40:58.400 he would actually pay for their rehab big mistake obviously anyone who's ever known this but he's

00:41:04.360 like i lost thousands of dollars you know and i just don't do anymore and then he laid it out and

00:41:09.280 he had said he's like look like first of all you need to take them to rehab to get them off the

00:41:14.660 drugs then he got and you're hoping that they stay because legally they can't you can't jail

00:41:19.760 them there most of the time they can leave whenever they want which often happens and he's

00:41:24.320 like but then there's the therapy then there's the therapy of like dealing with whatever trauma led 0.98

00:41:30.020 them there it's like okay then there's this whole ocean of other shit he's like he made a good point 0.95

00:41:35.700 he's like like okay the idea of trusting someone or getting someone to trust you they don't value 0.98

00:41:42.260 trust there is no trust they don't know how to have relationships so you have to teach an adult

00:41:47.800 how to have relationships and he's like things like showing up somewhere on time he's like they

00:41:53.140 can't do that and you need to teach how do you begin teaching someone to show up you want to

00:42:00.000 get a job be here by 9 a.m they can't do that they don't know how and it's such a weird thing

00:42:05.980 to think of like teaching someone to set an alarm because it's not like unless you're there every

00:42:11.560 day setting their alarm for them then they can do it but you won't it's like but they can't do it

00:42:16.940 on their own it'll fall apart almost immediately so he's like you know once you realize the levels

00:42:22.740 you need to correct he's like one person can't do anything arguably a group of people can't do 0.92

00:42:28.360 anything if they're that far gone right yeah and what do you what do you fucking do so you know 0.90

00:42:33.140 look at this woman it's like okay like i need to fix 25 things about you um but that and then 0.95

00:42:40.360 there's one guy he interviewed who was just a schizophrenic and but you could tell by looking

00:42:45.740 his eyes and he just didn't know what was going on and he's just they're like your family's looking

00:42:51.560 for you he's like okay he's like yeah like you just you can't you don't know how to start but

00:42:57.820 then i guess the one i really wanted to talk about um was uh this famous one probably the

00:43:04.500 most famous one that someone recommended this to me i think it was um i forget who was in the chat

00:43:09.040 might have been milk or w we got a whole cast of characters in there but um what they said watch

00:43:15.340 this guy he's got a few it's like an ongoing story there's like four or five of them because

00:43:19.340 it keeps getting updated so his name is patrick and this guy is such a fascinating character

00:43:25.820 um and i i might have posted this in the chat i don't know if you saw it but i'm going to tell

00:43:30.760 you his story he seems to have it together the first interview he comes in he comes off the

00:43:35.780 street he is high on crack but he's he's he's well spoken and he's he's kind of put together

00:43:42.860 you can tell he's kind of a bright guy smart guy white guy you know he's not emaciated he's kind of

00:43:48.960 he's he's filled out and everything and he's we're catching him in the middle of a crack binge right

00:43:56.040 so you get to see that then you learn that he's here but he should be at work and you're like

00:44:01.920 wait so you're like skipping work he's like yeah man i'm on middle crack binge um i haven't been

00:44:06.180 for a couple days and he's like well where do you work he works for the city of los angeles

00:44:10.840 uh this guy is a civil engineer he makes six figures working for the city of los angeles 1.00

00:44:18.520 This motherfucker builds britches. 0.99

00:44:21.560 Yeah, well, I mean, just to be completely straightforward with you, 1.00

00:44:24.520 I've been smoking for, like, four or five days.

00:44:27.580 Like, this was put in front of me as a possibility this morning. 1.00

00:44:32.020 And my inclination is, fuck it, like, truth. 1.00

00:44:34.180 I want the truth. 1.00

00:44:35.160 But it also is true that I work for the city of Los Angeles,

00:44:38.780 and I'm supposed to be there right now, like, in this whole week, in fact.

00:44:42.660 And I'm not.

00:44:44.800 And all of a sudden, here I am, like.

00:44:47.100 we don't know when this is being shot

00:44:48.840 we could have shot this back in November

00:44:50.900 I'm inclined to just do it

00:44:52.600 it's the truth

00:44:53.800 one thing I hate is the lying

00:44:55.960 about who I am

00:44:57.940 and you start hearing a story

00:45:02.080 and he went to Harvard

00:45:03.400 this guy is no joke

00:45:05.800 most of them come from good families

00:45:08.500 is what you learn

00:45:09.220 a lot of them come from decent families

00:45:11.160 and then he struggled

00:45:14.100 with crack

00:45:15.280 what what he really struggled with and this is where it kind of this is the roller coaster of

00:45:19.700 emotions i'm talking about because all throughout this you're you're you're you like him but then

00:45:26.160 you also hate him so his story he's a likable guy very likable guy very charismatic but then

00:45:34.560 you step back and maybe you turn it off you go mull it over for a minute and then you realize

00:45:40.380 well and then just to press up he's saying well wow are you gonna get fired for your work he's

00:45:45.940 like i don't think so like they know i'm a crack addict like they know they know everything about

00:45:50.240 it um and he hasn't lost his job yet so then you realize oh the city of los angeles has civil 0.96

00:45:56.520 engineers who are addicted to crack and they they can they will not fire them damn so everything you

00:46:03.980 see about this guy you might like him but then you realize well this is why los angeles is a 0.99

00:46:07.480 fucking dumpster fire yeah yeah um it's like crazy yeah it's just it's like you know and he's saying 0.93

00:46:14.960 like oh you don't really fire people for that anymore because they see it as a disease so he's 0.99

00:46:19.320 on like a six week long crack binge his job's waiting for him when he gets back and you know

00:46:24.940 whatever and it's happened before but yeah this guy you know and they interview him again like a

00:46:31.040 few months a few weeks later and he's still in the crack binge because he's under crack binge the

00:46:35.040 first time he's like yeah it's last like a couple weeks and uh usually we get out of it and he's

00:46:39.660 describing what it's like and him in such detail it really takes you there about what it feels like

00:46:44.560 but then the second time they interview him he's like yeah this one went on longer than most i

00:46:49.420 sold my car he's like i broke the rule you're not supposed to sell your car but i sold it to

00:46:55.100 the crack dealer and it's just it's you're catching someone in a spiral you're not listening to an

00:47:01.380 attic romanticize the spiral in an autobiography later you're catching this guy in the middle of a 0.69

00:47:08.460 total fucking collapse of his life and he's like this is what it feels like and i'm gonna leave 0.69

00:47:13.120 i'm not gonna stop um i know me and he's he has this self-awareness that he's like i know what 0.98

00:47:19.020 i'm probably gonna do i'm probably gonna do crack but here's where it gets kind of funny so

00:47:23.420 listening to his life story it's terrible to laugh at it but i'm gonna um they're like how

00:47:29.940 do you get onto crack how did this all start it started with prostitutes actually like he got into

00:47:35.180 with prostitutes and then that kind of led to crack and so his trigger for smoking crack is

00:47:40.980 going to prostitutes so crack is almost just incidental it's a symptom of this other addiction 0.99

00:47:47.860 he has which is like getting whores but then he's like i know if i get a whore then i'm gonna be in 0.99

00:47:53.540 crack too i do the same thing every time i smoke crack which is i mean it's unbelievable 0.99

00:47:59.060 it's unbelievable

00:48:00.760 like

00:48:01.740 I don't sleep

00:48:03.220 I don't stop

00:48:03.860 I spend every dollar

00:48:04.700 I'll spend

00:48:05.140 I don't know

00:48:06.740 you said

00:48:07.480 see how honest

00:48:08.200 we can be

00:48:08.660 you know

00:48:09.320 like

00:48:09.580 I'll spend 15

00:48:10.920 20 grand

00:48:11.640 in a month

00:48:14.080 in a month

00:48:14.660 yeah

00:48:15.120 like

00:48:15.360 right now

00:48:17.100 so I had

00:48:18.320 seven months sober

00:48:19.220 on Christmas night

00:48:20.980 right

00:48:21.860 what's it

00:48:22.160 what's it right now

00:48:22.760 January 5th

00:48:23.480 January 7th

00:48:24.660 I think

00:48:24.880 okay

00:48:25.460 and then

00:48:27.020 you know

00:48:28.560 like 0.98

00:48:28.840 the pullback is prostitutes right but uh if i'm gonna go get a prostitute i'm sober i'm not gonna 0.89

00:48:35.360 go to figure out or not gonna come here i'm gonna go like where you pay like you know high way more 0.78

00:48:41.420 and it's like you know someone like in a hotel like an escort you know i mean like uh but i would

00:48:47.180 do that and like something would just bring me down there something about having the connection

00:48:54.300 of like the two things together you know the crack and in figaro you can get crack and a girl

00:48:59.500 right the girl so yeah like having a girl that smokes crack too um it's really sick it's a

00:49:07.820 really like it's like a fantasy that oh man like it's disgusting like and then he's like blowing

00:49:17.740 all his money again this guy makes six figures so he's he's blowing like 20 10 20 grand a month

00:49:22.520 on crack and not just crack on the women that's where it goes um but the way he describes it's

00:49:29.140 so funny so he's like you know here's how crack works you smoke crack and you get sort of that 1.00

00:49:34.080 rush of euphoria and you get super horny like all you want to do is fuck all you want the filthiest 0.99

00:49:40.380 thoughts in the world you just want to fuck right then and you start getting these crazy ideas 1.00

00:49:44.720 about how every girl you see wants to fuck you and you've got like a porn going in your head 1.00

00:49:50.500 and he's telling stories about how he's in a hotel room and he just like went down to his 1.00

00:49:55.560 underwear to talk to the clerk he's like do you want to come up to my room and have sex 0.85

00:49:58.840 she's like no me sir no i'm good no i'm good he's like okay he's police like okay 0.99

00:50:07.500 but he's just like i want to fuck but he also makes a comment where he's like yeah but you 1.00

00:50:13.220 know when you're on crack like you can't fuck because your dick doesn't work right so he's 1.00

00:50:17.800 like i just watch porn all day you know i'm just like so the idea of a guy like hold up in a room 1.00

00:50:22.560 for days smoking crack and just being insanely horny but not fucking not even jerking off just 0.99

00:50:30.640 like being horny in a room in the dark in the middle of the day with the windows closed 0.99

00:50:35.500 a harvard educated civil engineer working for the city of los angeles extremely horny on crack 0.98

00:50:42.260 windows closed watching porn for 18 hours straight in his extremely expensive downtown condo 0.96

00:50:49.460 oh man a harvard man

00:50:52.420 the west has fallen i know and he's he's again once you watch it you're kind of in the story

00:51:01.060 and you kind of like it because he's giving you a side you most people romanticize it

00:51:06.080 or blame other people it's like no this is just me i'm kind of stupid about this i don't know why 0.55

00:51:10.560 i don't know why i do this this is really stupid what i'm doing but um and then he just and then 0.79

00:51:17.700 that's where the money goes and now i'm also hating you know you know this might be me going 0.97

00:51:22.680 too far farther than i need to but i'm like i really hate these whores because he makes a point 1.00

00:51:27.200 where he says um he's like well i get these one but i need uh whores who are addicted to crack i 0.99

00:51:32.940 need crack whores he's shopping for crack whores he's not looking for a high-end escorts because 0.95

00:51:38.160 he wants to smoke crack with them right but then and then he's like this is how you spend 10 grand 1.00

00:51:43.240 a month because he's just paying these women not to fuck him by the way just to hang out and 0.99

00:51:48.720 probably steal his money so then i look at him i'm like you're just and then the interviewer says 0.99

00:51:53.700 like oh yeah i've heard about you the women around here say you know you're very generous the women 0.99

00:51:57.600 like you and i'm here with my fucking big ass headphones on saying to myself i bet they fucking 1.00

00:52:03.160 do i bet they love seeing this sweet old soul coming down the street in his his fucking sweater 1.00

00:52:12.560 vest and his loafers he wasn't worth i've just imagined that's the image of my mind like and 1.00

00:52:19.160 then they just oh here's a mark i'm gonna take 10 grand from this guy and not suck his dick 0.99

00:52:23.320 not give this guy a reach around like he deserves how many how much money has he shoved into these 1.00

00:52:28.300 women so i i didn't go into this expecting a all-out assault on whores but here we are 0.97

00:52:33.960 god damn yeah so his name is patrick and he's uh you know i would recommend people check it out 0.98

00:52:40.760 it's a harrowing story each interview is like an hour there's like six of them the most recent one 0.95

00:52:45.360 being this year uh and this month of this year january 2023 but yeah that i'm just it takes a 0.92

00:52:52.540 lot out you start the whitakers you get to that and then you're just and there's a couple that i 0.98

00:52:57.320 had to turn off because i think this thing started getting really really popular so you have people 0.97

00:53:02.740 seeking out soft white underbelly to you know tell their story that they just want to shop around

00:53:08.340 like there was one guy when the title sounded a bit too reddity for me but it was a a clown with

00:53:16.380 ocd he's the ocd clown and then he's there and he's like he's like oh how you doing how you doing

00:53:25.180 how you doing how you doing how you doing that used to be me i use i have what's called ocd 0.61

00:53:30.320 and uh hold on i'm just gonna get my i gotta put my clothes on right now he starts dressing up

00:53:34.300 like a clown i said oh no he's doing his act yeah oh no i'm watching someone they came with 0.90

00:53:40.580 their bits they came with the thing i'm i'm fucking out of here so now and the same thing 0.97

00:53:45.580 with that mafia guy i'm like oh you're on your speaking tour right now i don't want to see 0.86

00:53:49.380 speaking to our people anyway point being just to connect it to the main thing these are the people

00:53:55.220 that if you don't say no to your kids they end up on soft white underbelly that's kind of what i was

00:54:01.660 getting at because every single one of these people they love talking about their childhoods

00:54:07.520 usually it's just parents a lot of parents who don't say no because a lot of the ones what i

00:54:12.500 noticed is you're expecting a history of molestation and there's that certainly there's

00:54:17.200 always there's some abuse maybe a runaway of some kind but a shocking amount of them have uh

00:54:23.260 normal lives in their mind they're saying my parents were great i wanted for nothing

00:54:29.520 you know they were lovely people and so i'm trying to a maybe they're lying but i'm also

00:54:34.800 trying to but they always jump at the chance to blame their parents if they can't right

00:54:39.060 they would love to blame like my father wasn't there that's why i do this but a lot of them

00:54:44.880 will say you know they were fine i grew up in a nice neighborhood even so i'm trying to piece

00:54:48.600 together i'm like well how did you yeah how did you how did you end up here it's got to be like 0.98

00:54:54.460 you became like a crack and whore guy and maybe it's because like the parents didn't discipline 0.98

00:55:00.080 enough or maybe i'm putting too much on the parents i don't fucking know maybe i'm just 0.99

00:55:03.200 trying to connect dots that aren't there but it seems to be that like even if you don't molest 0.95

00:55:08.140 your own kids there's a chance that they can end up on soft white underbelly and i i just want to 0.99

00:55:14.060 avoid that yeah yeah for sure fuck man but at least you know maybe they're doing at least they've 1.00

00:55:21.480 gone to harvard i don't know yeah well even that's kind of funny on its own because harvard 0.98

00:55:26.100 isn't just an expensive school it's the school for the elite like you don't you'll kind of only

00:55:32.020 go to harvard because your family is fucking well connected so it's it's interesting that it's not 0.91

00:55:37.940 like he's from fucking oberlin or he's from wherever sfu he's literally from the ivy league 0.97

00:55:44.500 so unless that was a story i mean who knows maybe that was hammed up for a fact but i i don't think 0.54

00:55:50.860 they would he would make that up but also like uh it just occurred to me that you know everything

00:55:56.280 he's describing if he just wasn't in that particular motel room in the crack hotel if 0.98

00:56:02.400 he just transferred that to someone's mansion they do this shit all the time like you're not 0.99

00:56:07.560 gonna tell me that the elite aren't also smoking crack with prostitutes but they do it in you know 0.99

00:56:13.700 connecticut yeah you know so really all this patrick guy needs is like he was actually he's

00:56:19.180 on the harvard track he is on the he's an elite he is harvard is for guys like him it's just that 0.98

00:56:26.440 he feels shame about it but it's like no like do crack with whores but do that with the mayor 0.99

00:56:32.880 who is also doing that right now he fucked it up he started thinking like a podcaster he should 0.99

00:56:41.280 have been thinking like a winner yeah you got to go introduce yourself to kamala harris at the da's 0.89

00:56:47.360 office and do crack with her and then you can get into biden's cabinet and then you nailed it because

00:56:53.680 you know kamala harris is actually a really great example because she already has a very crack 1.00

00:56:57.620 whorish look about her well that's why i brought her up because her whole story is essentially la 1.00

00:57:03.660 crack whore fucks her way through the da's office and then becomes vice president like that's 1.00

00:57:08.380 literally we have a senile old man and a and an indian crack whore with a vice president 1.00

00:57:14.500 so in the states it's wild we elected crack and pills as president i say we 1.00

00:57:20.160 crack pills 2022 yeah i've always been saying we should just start electing stuff 0.98

00:57:27.600 and ideas and you know shit we hear about uh i think you know someone made a comment in the

00:57:34.460 chat fancy said this and it's it's such a daring take i want to repeat it because i want ownership

00:57:41.300 of it if it comes to pass but he had said the history books may very well see obama in the

00:57:49.120 shadow of biden yeah what do you think about that i agree i actually agree yeah yeah well i think

00:57:56.000 i don't think that that is i don't think that's fair but i think that it will happen and the

00:58:03.340 reason it will happen is because i mean we're what halfway through biden's term and the planet

00:58:08.700 is fucking disintegrating and that's the reason people are going to remember biden is what we

00:58:13.420 needed is for better or worse somebody with some personality some joie de vivre 0.99

00:58:21.440 right right he comes with his words du jour yeah i'm bringing humiliation because like obama i 1.00

00:58:29.200 fucking hate obama that dumb fucking nigger but um he at least there was something to him 1.00

00:58:34.500 but he presided over a period which from a relative standpoint was peaceful and easy he 1.00

00:58:42.840 was on fucking easy mode so joe biden is probably the most incompetent president in history also one 0.98

00:58:49.480 of the most boring presidents in history like he doesn't actually do anything doesn't have any 0.99

00:58:53.480 policies he doesn't really make public appearances you don't really hear about him like it's he's

00:58:58.120 essentially not even there but he in even in his absence the world is collapsing not even because

00:59:04.520 of anything he did like all of this was set in stone 10 years ago you know what i mean in fact

00:59:08.640 i think that's one of the arguments for why joe biden is even president is they knew he was a 0.71

00:59:13.400 senile schmuck and they need somebody as a fall guy over these these four years so that's why

00:59:17.540 he's there i honestly i think that's why and honestly i think the people generally know that

00:59:23.080 too that's what's so fascinating about biden is that i you know i i do listen to the people on

00:59:28.580 the left and the progressives and the democrats and this has been building for a long time but

00:59:32.660 i think biden was really the nail in the coffin of people finally understanding that like the 0.99

00:59:39.280 presidents don't fucking matter and no one you know they they did elect a doddering old senile 0.97

00:59:46.280 retard no one likes kamala harris but i don't see a lot of passion for it even when biden biden was 0.99

00:59:52.660 being elected no one liked him no one expected him to win but he did so i think everyone kind of 0.99

00:59:58.580 they feel like they need to cheer for their team obviously but i don't think anyone really believes

01:00:04.060 in the system as such anymore like on the ground like the citizens even like your your standard

01:00:09.900 libs i think just would rather ignore the the thing that bothers me about libs is that they

01:00:16.480 would rather live in willful ignorance they know what this is but they just want to ignore what's

01:00:20.520 going on but i'm like you know i i don't really see people getting excited about a president

01:00:25.640 anymore because like people just like oh it doesn't matter this is like a bald-faced admission

01:00:33.020 that this is the country keeps going with or without a president it doesn't really matter

01:00:37.300 who's president and this is like the final proof we all kind of knew that but i think your your

01:00:42.420 average like cnn and fox news viewer get it and that's also what january 6th was it was like

01:00:48.580 who fucking cares whatever um i had there's another thing i was watching recently i wanted 0.59

01:00:54.820 your opinion on this um and i'm kind of ambushing you with this right now but it's not going to be 0.96

01:01:01.820 anything it's about china that's why i bring it to your attention sure so uh there's this

01:01:06.680 a geopolitical analyst by the name of peter zyhan yeah have you heard of him yeah i watch his videos

01:01:13.160 sometimes he's been around for quite some time uh there was uh some rumblings recently i was

01:01:18.500 posting some stuff from him because um uh he was on joe rogan but i'd i'd seen him before

01:01:23.760 um and a lot of people kind of talk about him he's not the most popular guy in that scene

01:01:29.700 But he kind of rings the bell every so often about certain issues.

01:01:37.140 And I will say that.

01:01:38.600 So this is a guy who analyzes and speaks truths about geopolitical events, about China, about the war in Ukraine, about all of these markets and shipping lanes and things like that.

01:01:50.100 I like that sort of stuff.

01:01:51.460 It's very, very insightful.

01:01:53.360 He's had some takes that I don't necessarily agree with outside of China related stuff, which we'll get to in a second.

01:01:59.560 but i'll give you an example of a one take of his that you know joe so people don't think that i'm

01:02:06.480 just a huge believer in this guy that i because some people worship him and say he's you know

01:02:11.680 he has very much a jordan peterson vibe about him where you know the people who are into him are a

01:02:17.420 bit too much into him and they don't seem to notice some of the inconsistencies or you know

01:02:22.800 he's also almost a messianic really have such a following i think a lot of a lot of these guys i

01:02:28.940 would say he's up there as one of the most popular and i could see him like when i see him on other

01:02:34.380 shows and podcasts this is the trick when you see him on other shows and podcasts all the comments

01:02:40.040 of that show's followers will say oh my god this was mind-blowing this is the most insightful

01:02:45.040 interview i've ever seen i've never heard anything like this before and a lot of people said the same 0.88

01:02:50.980 thing about jordan peterson um and so i'm not saying that either of them are charlatans or dumb

01:02:56.800 or wrong but it's like there is this sort of energy about him that i find familiar i remember

01:03:02.320 i remember early peterson i remember feeling a little bit like that watching him but it was

01:03:08.560 more because of the subject matter it's like wow this guy's like synthesizing some things culturally

01:03:13.360 spiritually that i haven't heard before and it's amazing hearing it from a torontonian right so i

01:03:19.780 remember kind of having like almost like a there's a messianic quality to it yeah not that i was ever

01:03:24.940 a big peterson fan but i get it right but like guys like zyhan he's more like i was gonna say

01:03:30.420 molyneux but i guess molyneux is also like people follow him around but like he's not an immediately

01:03:36.380 like masculine likable followable type of person he kind of just seems like another talking head

01:03:44.180 academic and i like him and i like the things that he says i actually agree with a lot of the stuff

01:03:48.240 he says but like i mean it's like oh this is cool let's listen to this guy over a cup of coffee and

01:03:54.140 then get back to work but like i don't i can't understand that he would be anyways it nothing

01:03:58.880 surprises me now with the quality of people but what i'll say with him is i oftentimes i understand

01:04:04.940 and believe his assessments sometimes i don't agree with his conclusions and that but that's

01:04:10.240 the case with a lot of people a lot of people i deeply respect they'll come with an idea i think

01:04:14.860 is good but maybe they lose me on the end of it but you know i'll give you one example one thing

01:04:19.020 he said that i don't like one was on the topic of crypto and bitcoin uh he had said something

01:04:25.980 he's always hated bitcoin and he says you know bitcoin has no intrinsic value there's no value

01:04:30.780 to bitcoin um crypto yeah it was always a hot dumpster fire um always yeah i mean i'm not

01:04:38.960 gonna say that it was all fraud some of it was a pyramid scheme uh there's never been anything

01:04:43.460 there uh it serves no purpose it's not a store of value it's not a medium of exchange and as we

01:04:50.420 have seen if you want it decentralized and not under government control it is a haven for fraudsters

01:04:55.200 and now it is in the process of going to zero except for bitcoin which will probably go negative

01:04:59.760 because if we're moving into a world with carbon taxes you have to take into account the energy

01:05:04.480 that it took to produce it in the first place that means you don't get what it is like he's

01:05:10.600 looking at is like oh you're buying this thing that doesn't exist that has no value i'm like

01:05:13.920 well you're not that's not what anyone thinks of when they get there's some people who get into

01:05:19.040 crypto because they want to make a lot of money those those people are always going to exist but

01:05:22.480 like the people who are trying to create this sort of alternative payment thing and play around with

01:05:28.420 what is value what is money as a commodity you know it doesn't need to be attached to some

01:05:33.380 commodity doesn't really you know you know i mean like i'm not going to do the whole crypto thing

01:05:37.940 But him saying it's like Bitcoin, it's not it's not anything.

01:05:41.800 It's just on the computer.

01:05:43.480 Like, I mean, you don't think you get what it is then.

01:05:47.100 But but that's him just maybe speaking out of turn.

01:05:50.320 Now, the thing that we're going to get to now that a lot of people disagree with him on is his prediction that China is going to fall by fall.

01:06:00.160 I mean, the entire nation of China, as we know it, is going to collapse economically, militarily.

01:06:04.700 um now he said he's given china 10 years now the problem with that is that he has said this before

01:06:14.280 he has predicted that china will collapse completely by 2020 for example so his dates

01:06:21.500 have been wrong a lot of people will go after him for that like oh here goes this guy again about

01:06:27.000 china but i will say and this is where i want to get your opinion when i listen to him assess

01:06:32.620 why he thinks china is is going to collapse i don't disagree with any of his assessments right 0.82

01:06:39.020 he'll give like 10 points why china's economy and its military is fucked up and that make 0.76

01:06:44.860 yeah those make sense maybe that doesn't mean they fall in 10 years but those are very real

01:06:50.020 problems um so are you familiar with his china uh anything it says about china no no actually

01:06:57.200 most of the stuff that i've watched was just like about general economics the real estate market i

01:07:01.580 think and some stuff about demographics and yeah. The rich world was a population column from 1945

01:07:08.460 to 1992 and with the end of the cold war the developing world became a column in 1992 until

01:07:14.880 now. The problem is that this is all temporary because birth rate keeps dropping people keep

01:07:21.320 living older and your column eventually inverts into an open pyramid upside down and now you no

01:07:27.520 longer have children. You no longer have a replacement generation at all. And there aren't

01:07:32.340 enough people in their 20s and 30s to buy everything. And there aren't enough people in

01:07:36.140 their 40s and 50s to pay for the retirees. So this decade was always going to be the decade that most

01:07:42.600 of the advanced world moves into mass retirement and the economic model collapses. And next decade

01:07:48.280 was always going to be the decade that that happened to the developing world. And we found 0.99

01:07:52.760 out recently that the Chinese have jumped the ship and this is their last decade too. 0.99

01:07:56.220 So all of the globalized connections and consumptions that create the world we know, we are at the end of it. 0.87

01:08:05.600 And we have to go back to a world where trade is more focused on the countries that have a better demographic and security infrastructure because the Americans are no longer patrolling the global oceans anymore.

01:08:17.140 So we're losing the security ramifications of an open system.

01:08:21.600 Okay, I'll give you a couple points here.

01:08:24.720 so one he has this line that i just love and i think you're gonna like it too

01:08:29.040 um he because his big thing is geography and demography so his big thing he's all about

01:08:36.120 populations it's all about the hard facts on what your environment and geography is like like for

01:08:41.860 example it's undeniable that britain historically has had geographic advantages being an island

01:08:48.900 right we've discussed this before on the show and it's undeniable that america just has probably

01:08:55.580 the best ecology of any nation on earth that's just what it is you go to america america is 0.98

01:09:01.380 bursting with oil you can grow so much shit there the temperature the climate everything 0.77

01:09:06.720 you know if america were to break up that'd be one thing but as just a nation right now you're 0.99

01:09:10.800 not going to do much better than america um and and that's just a hard fact and there's some

01:09:17.220 countries like russia like canada it just sucks to have agriculture there there's nothing you can

01:09:22.580 really do about it except maybe greenhouses but then it's like on what scale right sometimes you

01:09:27.380 just need a certain type of soil a certain amount of sunlight to grow a certain type of thing

01:09:31.700 um so he's like you know those are very real benefits but um his other thing was um china 0.94

01:09:38.740 just doesn't have that chinese uh terrain just sucks it's very mountainous the soil sucks it's 0.82

01:09:46.020 It's hard to grow things there. 0.99

01:09:47.440 It's never going to be bountiful.

01:09:49.040 And he had this line that you love.

01:09:51.220 So about the demography, he said, you know, the Han Chinese,

01:09:55.380 which I think are like the primary type of Chinese guy,

01:09:59.780 the Han Chinese are an ethnicity that's around 3,500 years old.

01:10:05.640 And they're very proud of that.

01:10:06.960 And they should be, you know, as an ethnicity at 3,500 years old. 0.99

01:10:09.680 And he said, they've really only had their shit together for the last 40 years. 1.00

01:10:13.640 like he's like you know for 3 500 years remember half of that's being conquered by the mongols 0.98

01:10:20.560 conquered by other people like they're not known to be a great people a unified people 0.99

01:10:26.300 maybe not like the japanese he's like you know it's really kind of a shit show until you get 0.94

01:10:32.400 up to mao and he's like even these great chinese empires they always like to talk about they don't 0.98

01:10:36.880 seem to last very long it's like these brief hiccups of glory and stability but then it just 0.99

01:10:43.360 falls apart again back into this really shitty peasantry he's like you know up until Mao you 0.97

01:10:49.020 know they industrialized very very fast very amazingly but he's like you know their window 0.91

01:10:54.740 prosperity should be appreciated for what it is which is a very small window and it's the same

01:11:01.280 window of prosperity you know sort of in that post-cold war era that America had too like America

01:11:07.520 was really riding high everyone's kind of riding high for a couple decades there but he's like that

01:11:13.180 That is over for everyone.

01:11:14.680 And it being over is going to hit some people harder than most. 0.58

01:11:18.240 Well, without young people, we've seen their labor costs increase by a factor of 14 since

01:11:23.880 the year 2000. 0.77

01:11:25.060 So Mexican labor is now one third the cost of Chinese labor. 0.97

01:11:28.520 Their educational system focuses on memorization over skills. 0.96

01:11:32.440 So despite a trillion dollars of investment in a bottomless supply of intellectual property

01:11:37.400 theft, they really haven't advanced technologically in the last 15 years.

01:11:41.900 labor is probably about twice as skilled as 0.97

01:11:43.940 Chinese labor now even though it's one third the cost

01:11:46.020 and so that's one thing

01:11:47.940 when he comes back to China he's got a

01:11:49.980 list of reasons why China

01:11:51.260 and the reason I like this sort of talk

01:11:54.140 is because especially in our scene

01:11:55.940 and we've talked about this for years

01:11:58.460 we've been on this for years

01:12:00.220 telling people like China

01:12:01.860 is not what you think it is China

01:12:03.880 if I hear people going

01:12:05.640 beating the China strong drum 1.00

01:12:08.220 anymore I'm going to blow my fucking brains out 1.00

01:12:09.960 right and you got insider knowledge on that like china you like they lie all the time 1.00

01:12:14.060 their infrastructure sucks everything about them sucks like don't don't don't listen to china 0.93

01:12:19.240 talk about china right but i liked him because he's pushed everyone's scared of china he's the 1.00

01:12:24.840 guy saying like don't actually don't worry that much about china they're kind of fucked up uh 0.89

01:12:29.900 let me just check in on you so far is what do you think of what i'm saying so far i generally agree 0.94

01:12:35.000 everything okay is there any point i'll keep going so he's like you got the terrain um one thing is

01:12:41.500 that the xi jinping internal leadership is really shaky right now he said you know it seems that

01:12:48.400 internally they have a leadership class that's distancing themselves from the people and you

01:12:53.200 might be seeing something with putin very well they seem to be um this is reflected in china

01:12:58.200 kind of backing away from russia a lot of people have noticed that that you know there's a lot of

01:13:03.480 gestures made between the two that oh here comes the multi-polar world and china's realizing that

01:13:08.220 they can't really rely on russia in any serious way and they're so interlocked with the west um

01:13:14.580 they literally can't survive without america and we come back to the fact that you know according

01:13:20.160 to and you know this is what i hear from other guys who've looked at the numbers so feel free

01:13:24.640 to push back on me anyone but you know uh china is not really a net exporter on anything they tend

01:13:30.540 to import most of their stuff um you know america on the other hand side america is bountiful and

01:13:36.460 everything it exports energy it exports everything so china doesn't really have the ability to even

01:13:42.100 sustain itself in this in the way that it wants to and he made a good point that we talk about

01:13:47.900 all the time which is that you know china's economy is essentially propped up by intern 0.79

01:13:54.320 intellectual property theft despite this they have not really been able to innovate 0.73

01:14:00.400 so he's like there's there's a missing piece there that yes you industrialize but you're

01:14:05.240 lacking that piece where you can't really do much advanced manufacturing and they're notorious that

01:14:10.180 even the stuff they do manufacture sucks so it's like you actually haven't really elevated the

01:14:14.780 people that much you still have this sort of they're like psychologically still a bunch of 0.99

01:14:20.000 fucking peasants right but they just they're just dressed up and they still have these habits they 0.95

01:14:24.600 still can't think like a european can think and this is evidenced all over so it's not like 0.99

01:14:29.460 you know in a lot of ways they are like the paper tiger because they're just running on this momentum 0.51

01:14:35.420 that they can't even control uh then he goes into other things it's like look there's no way they

01:14:39.640 could control the oceans or they talk that they got like what is it 500 ships you know he makes

01:14:45.960 a point that most of those are short range ships so it's like yeah they got a lot of boats well

01:14:50.680 most of them are merchant marine they're not actual warships they're literal fishing trawlers

01:14:56.100 that they've painted a chinese red star on the side and deemed that the fishermen are now naval

01:15:01.600 officers i'm shit you not that's like 80 really yep go look at the go look at the footage in like 0.50

01:15:07.940 the taiwan strait and the i forget the name of the islands that they were fighting over but the 0.98

01:15:11.420 ships that they're using they have blc shoulders on them with like fucking like uh guided missiles 0.97

01:15:16.620 and shit but they're fucking fishing trailers yeah that's great that this is what i was hoping 0.98

01:15:21.280 for because i'm here's what he's saying i want to know as a man who was on the ground in china 1.00

01:15:27.320 i'm saying this because i've heard your stories and when he said them they lined up in my mind

01:15:33.440 with the stuff you had told me previously so that's how i i know about all this yeah um but

01:15:38.100 it comes down to the fact that china as a as a terrain is pretty harsh you know i think he made

01:15:45.120 a comment where it's like you know and all they want to do is grow rice and it's just kind of

01:15:49.000 hard to grow there too well that's that's a good point so the terrain thing i'm not

01:15:54.600 a hundred percent sold on it because but i think here's what i think i don't know actually that

01:16:00.240 much about zyhan but he's not really a far right wing guy is he like he's not he's he's like a lip

01:16:06.520 so that means he he'll talk about demography but he won't go into the biology of race and ethnicity

01:16:12.860 so he just stops there he's talking about the soil like the soil is bad well it's kind of the

01:16:19.760 soil but it's mostly the blood because they i've been all over china and they have some pretty like

01:16:27.080 they have a region central china which is plateaus it's like peru kind of and it's extremely moist

01:16:33.920 and well drained and it rains consistently and it's warm and they have the most of their rice

01:16:39.240 farming they call this it's funny they call the heart of the chicken but it's like the

01:16:42.660 like the heartland the chinese heartland and uh there's a lot of agriculture there there's a

01:16:47.660 step farming like ancient step farming it's a beautiful place actually this is actually near

01:16:51.640 chong ching and people be like we're the fucking um or the fucking near wuhan so anyways never 0.94

01:17:00.360 mind that the point is the point is is that this region if you had people who were capable of 0.95

01:17:07.600 farming industrially and farming in like a more concerted way you could produce a lot more

01:17:14.700 but as you mentioned they do a lot of monoculture they do a lot of ridiculous stuff if you look at

01:17:19.680 the statistics on their fertilizer use remember it's like you said earlier and this is true 0.89

01:17:23.760 they are peasant farmers these are not educated people these they're illiterate right so the 0.98

01:17:28.180 majority of people who are farming in china are fucking illiterate whereas the majority of people 0.97

01:17:32.640 farming in, in, uh, the U S or Canada are at best employees of a corporate farm and, or sorry, at 0.99

01:17:40.480 worst, I should say. And at best are like, you know, agricultural sciences, engineers running

01:17:45.740 remote controlled John Deere's with exact controls of potassium and et cetera. Right. You know what

01:17:50.880 I mean? So in China, it is literally, you know, rice nigger buys bag of nitrogen fertilizer, 1.00

01:17:57.420 or praises the sky god and pours it into the lake and hopes that that means the rice grows i'm shit 1.00

01:18:03.100 you not i've been there we have a uh my we have a family member who his not him but his extended

01:18:11.480 family is from that region and we went up and we spent a week there with his elderly aunt in like

01:18:17.580 essentially a village home like literally like they were they were cooking this is not even far

01:18:22.680 from hong kong this is maybe like four or five hours north of hong kong they were cooking their

01:18:27.160 food in like an iron walk over a stone stove like a wood-fired stone stove and the electricity was

01:18:36.400 like some hacked together solar panels this is how they live out there but this is these people are

01:18:41.160 the ones that are like the quote-unquote bread basket of china which is why they which is why

01:18:45.320 they have to import so like they're a net importer of food they import like 80 of the world's pork

01:18:50.080 yeah yeah right and like all all can you like you ever go in where we live in ontario right

01:18:55.100 how many of those fields are fucking soy fields now and that's almost exclusively exported to

01:19:00.080 china we we grow soy for china because they can't grow it on their own you can import anything we 0.96

01:19:05.480 just keep with soy you could name another thing it's except rice and soy and i hear that so often

01:19:12.160 it's like well china's a net exporter well they're a net exporter of the things that you think of

01:19:16.240 because you're a civilized person but the basic necessities of life that we find so easy to

01:19:22.840 produce that it's almost an afterthought they can't produce those things like literally food

01:19:28.320 and like toilet paper they need us for that because they they actually it's not about that

01:19:33.820 it's impossible to produce those things it's and this is where you get zehan's cope about the land 0.95

01:19:39.760 being bad no the land isn't bad they have like five percent of the surface area of the fucking 0.98

01:19:44.900 planet and it's quite nice land the problem is it's overpopulated and the people are fucking 1.00

01:19:50.180 stupid and the system of organization and administration is literally medieval so yeah 0.99

01:19:56.720 you're not going to get much out of it now they have a lot of money because of these certain like 1.00

01:20:01.040 tier one industrialized districts that they use to export iphones and they use that money to then

01:20:06.920 purchase rice and soy and pork but like yeah then like it's true that they can't survive without

01:20:14.220 trade but not in the way you think like they literally will starve if the trade goes away

01:20:19.640 yeah and that's the angle that he was taking to it where it's like you know you think of oh they're

01:20:25.340 an exporter of all this look at the tech look they made a new type of missile they made it oh

01:20:30.760 they're getting into drones now i'm like okay well they yeah like you said like they're peasants who

01:20:35.420 don't know how to eat and like his analysis will get as close as a i think a modern liberal can get 1.00

01:20:42.640 to being like what the fuck is up with these chinamen yeah which is what they would have said 1.00

01:20:48.300 in the 1800s and they would have been right then too you know their space program because they 1.00

01:20:53.460 have and this is so wild to me it just this is quintessentially chinese they have a huge coast

01:21:00.100 along the pacific and it's an eastward coast right it's like it's facing east and when you're

01:21:06.640 launching rockets into orbit you want to launch them against the rotation of the earth you want

01:21:11.640 launch them to the east out over the ocean that's why we launch from cape canaveral right

01:21:15.400 but they don't because it's just not politically expedient they launch them from the mainland

01:21:20.580 and they let the spent rocket um like bodies fall into people's farmland and they use the most like

01:21:32.300 unrefined toxic bullshit and there's all of these like videos and photos of like whole villages 0.98

01:21:38.220 destroyed by massive liquid rocket boosters falling and just like a fucking mushroom cloud 0.99

01:21:45.840 going up in a rice field and they do this it happens like 10 times a year like there was one 0.61

01:21:50.440 of them when we were living there that went out darling what's the name of the app in hong kong

01:21:56.620 it's like telegram but it's for the chinese people that they use do you remember that

01:22:00.820 there's a spec no not weibo the weibo is the one that's government controlled but what's the one

01:22:05.820 the logo is a little pig head does yeah l-l-i-h-k anyways it's essentially telegram it's an

01:22:12.000 encrypted app that hong kong young hong kong people use to pass around information that's 0.81

01:22:17.480 censored by the mainland government so you're on this app and it's literally it's built like

01:22:21.740 telegram in fact i was on this before i was on telegram but it's all in chinese so it's hard to

01:22:25.460 navigate but they send photos and stuff through this that go around the firewall because it's on 0.55

01:22:30.380 a vpn and then you can see this shit and it's like yeah they literally are launching rockets 0.93

01:22:35.800 and every single time they launch a rocket it's just collateral damage that it destroys the 0.99

01:22:40.660 neighboring villages so this is just it's just how they operate and all they would have to do 0.97

01:22:46.020 would be put the fucking launch site on the coast like everyone else and it falls in the ocean and 0.95

01:22:52.600 also like maybe you get this happening one time one time this happens and then you're like we've 0.97

01:22:58.700 made a huge error the chinese part is it just keeps happening because they don't change anything 0.90

01:23:04.620 like like the escalators you built an escalator designed to inhale old women yeah and then 1.00

01:23:11.700 instead of saying we've made a grievous error you decide well like this let's roll them out we got 1.00

01:23:18.160 so many chinese people this is the problem with collectivism collectivism you think means everyone 1.00

01:23:22.820 banded together as one fist it's also that you know if my neighbor dies i got so many fucking 1.00

01:23:28.640 neighbors it's the opposite of what you think it would be yeah it's it's sacrifice and it's 0.96

01:23:34.360 sacrifice and it's it's usually you think of sacrifice as sacrificing yourself no no no no

01:23:38.020 it's they sacrifice you right because you're all part of the same corpus now but the elevator thing

01:23:43.440 cuts kind of close to home i don't know if i ever told you this but there's this place called langham

01:23:47.040 in hong kong which has the world's longest escalator which i've been i've been on many

01:23:52.540 times i already don't like this story so this escalator i think it's like 15 floors or something

01:23:58.520 it's incredibly long and the way the mall is built the mall is built kind of on an angle across two

01:24:03.800 towers so there's a the mall section is like a a diagonal winding ramp that wraps around the

01:24:13.040 escalator so as you're going up the escalator you're going through a mall and then you go walk

01:24:18.600 back down the ramp so it's this whole you look it up Langham place it's a really cool mall actually

01:24:22.400 anyways we while we were living there the escalator failed it didn't eat anybody but what

01:24:28.080 happened was is it stopped and it's full of people like just it's a tourist attraction

01:24:32.840 and then it just i guess the brakes went and it just started rolling backwards and it was just

01:24:39.300 pouring people at like a mile a minute down into the base there's a small little lobby area with 0.97

01:24:44.600 a starbucks and there were like multiple people gone to the hospital with broken legs and shit 0.96

01:24:48.900 and it's like i mean you would think with something even hong kong is much wealthier 0.84

01:24:53.780 than most of china they have that much money and this is literally a tourist attraction like you're 0.94

01:24:58.720 drawing people from all over the world to this fucking place for not just for that they have an 1.00

01:25:02.720 imax cinema they have all kinds of shit so like what the fuck honestly it's like chinese people 1.00

01:25:09.520 uh i don't want to agree with every chinese person here obviously but it's like the chinese 0.99

01:25:13.700 government looked at crowd crush everyone's heard crowd crush right you hear about that people die

01:25:19.300 it is what it sounds like and they said

01:25:21.420 but what if we made that

01:25:23.600 the speed of light

01:25:24.760 just the worst possible

01:25:28.040 is there a version of a particle

01:25:29.740 accelerator 0.97

01:25:30.460 like the French have turned and the Chinese have 0.99

01:25:33.600 escalated 0.94

01:25:34.220 like it's

01:25:40.400 their achievement 0.99

01:25:42.700 we found a way to kill 1.00

01:25:45.140 so many Chinese 1.00

01:25:47.480 people 0.61

01:25:47.980 like the elevator technology is there sir

01:25:53.100 and also i was laughing because at the beginning of that story i think we're talking about the

01:26:01.720 world's longest and tallest escalator and then one day the world's tallest man showed up i was

01:26:09.280 like i don't know where this is going i just don't like it i just know it's going to be bad

01:26:12.560 it's a children's fable that ends in the extinction of china i see the cover of that

01:26:19.320 children's book i know it's 10 pages but i'll tell you what it ends right now i was i was gonna say

01:26:24.460 another thing about the demographics which i think a lot of people don't appreciate about

01:26:28.820 mainland china this is slightly less true of hong kong and macau and taiwan and singapore

01:26:34.540 i mean singapore i mean taiwan and taiwan are part of china but i mean largely they're actually

01:26:38.660 their elite is controlled by the chinese but the reason i bring that up is because the current crop

01:26:44.260 like our generation and kind of gen x who are now gaining political power in these places

01:26:50.300 are completely different from the previous generation like the generation in the polit

01:26:54.560 bureau are you you could call them boomers but they're not boomers because they didn't

01:26:59.000 live through the baby boom they lived through the cultural revolution and if you've dealt with

01:27:03.280 mainland chinese a lot of these guys don't like if you haven't lived in china you probably haven't 1.00

01:27:07.140 met a lot of these people but they are inhuman like what most of my is there a name for them 1.00

01:27:12.400 like are they seen like we see boomers and i don't know sometimes we just call them evil uncles like

01:27:18.100 when people have watched the like serpent zeta videos he calls them evil uncles but that's the 0.63

01:27:22.660 general idea that they they're of that age like they're 60 plus years old but they're the ones

01:27:28.600 that lived through the cultural revolution and so from the age from birth to like 16 or 20 years old

01:27:34.600 they lived in Mad Max world

01:27:36.980 where you had to eat rats

01:27:38.640 and kill your own brother for the political

01:27:40.500 so and there's a lot of these people 0.98

01:27:42.360 there's millions of them and a lot of them

01:27:44.440 because of their age are heads of business

01:27:46.500 and they're heads of state and they run the local offices

01:27:48.640 and they're like everybody in the political

01:27:50.480 is one of these people right now because of their age

01:27:52.280 but what's happening is they're cycling

01:27:54.620 out and you're starting to get some of the younger

01:27:56.440 generation you're getting people in their 40s

01:27:58.140 people in their 40s in China who were raised in the 80s

01:28:00.900 they might have gone through ten anemone

01:28:02.580 they might have been harassed with a gun by a police officer but they didn't have to eat rats

01:28:06.360 and the next thing that's happening is millennials are starting to get power and you're seeing this

01:28:10.380 already in places like hong kong where most of the millennials are western educated because it's

01:28:14.840 very wealthy and they're not it's not so much that they're westernized because they're still 1.00

01:28:21.040 like jingoist chinese people but they're so all you get left now is the the very basic like rat 1.00

01:28:28.940 race materialism of chinese culture without all of the like dog eat dog rip your eyes out tenacity 1.00

01:28:37.680 of the cultural revolution lunatics so these people are cowards and they are pampered right 0.96

01:28:43.440 and i think that demographic change is for me the reason why i'm not going to make a year like a 0.93

01:28:48.940 prediction of a date but that is puts the shelf life on the chinese government because the way 0.66

01:28:54.160 that their government operates which is entirely on fear and threats and literally just vanning 0.97

01:28:58.720 people and assassinating people's families you're not going to have enough assassins in the next

01:29:03.760 generation you have people that don't want to get their hands dirty you have people that if they

01:29:08.520 don't have the exact things that they want literally literally throw temper tantrums right

01:29:14.180 because again it's just the basic type of person that you're dealing with is this type of weird 0.99

01:29:19.280 bug peasant who if you had kind of steeled them in the fires of the cultural revolution which was 0.74

01:29:26.100 horrible you at least made something that was although a horrible person it's a horrible 0.92

01:29:31.480 durable person but the new crop they're just horrible people they're not durable they're 0.99

01:29:37.180 horrible but they're cowards they're horrible but they're weak and they're skittish and that's 0.91

01:29:42.180 that's been my experience and this is all anecdotal but like working in hong kong for 10 years and 1.00

01:29:47.760 working with mainland chinese businesses everybody that i found in in our age bracket they were

01:29:53.680 always trying to fuck us around the same as the older generation but they were bad at it and if 1.00

01:29:58.640 and they were really easy to to break down like on an emotional level or like to just in a competitive 1.00

01:30:04.560 way they're really easy to break down they're just weak stupid people and i don't mean stupid 1.00

01:30:08.360 like intelligent because these people have the university degrees but they're stupid like in a 1.00

01:30:12.100 social psychological i get almost like a human way like they're bad at being people they're bad 0.99

01:30:17.120 at being humans so like there's no there and i'm just and i've said this before but just just on 0.88

01:30:22.620 demographics alone ignore the economics on demographics alone china is a dead man walking 0.52

01:30:28.900 it's over it's over i was gonna say something and this i might be going too far with this 0.91

01:30:34.320 and i'm saying that i disavow this comment as i'm saying but it does sound like the chinese

01:30:40.940 people made themselves into jews like in terms of like their temperaments and whether or not 0.61

01:30:47.680 like they're fucking over but they're not scary about it um but but also that was one thing that 0.77

01:30:52.520 he had also said and again some people disagree with the exact date given to china but he like 0.97

01:30:59.440 the facts that contribute to that conclusion seem to be sound right so one thing he had said was

01:31:06.860 related to that which was it's like okay if you look it ties into more the the one child policy

01:31:13.680 and the uh their heavy tilt towards wanting to raise boys uh which everyone talks but everyone

01:31:20.140 kind of knows about that but he was saying that look if you look look at china's numbers what's

01:31:25.040 china like 1.3 billion something like that whatever it is he's like most of those like you

01:31:30.740 said are these evil uncles they're old right and the the child the demographic of the of the young 0.99

01:31:37.640 generation i'm talking like an idiot you know there's not enough younger people right so he's 0.99

01:31:41.680 like look that 1.5 billion will turn into 600 million really fast yeah once once that like we 1.00

01:31:50.640 talk here like once the boomers die everything's going to change it's like yeah multiply that by 0.80

01:31:55.200 10 and that's china talk about like every like like your entire population being reduced by half 0.92

01:32:02.640 that's going to be fucking insane yeah and maybe it's maybe it's good maybe it's bad but i'm like 0.67

01:32:08.000 they don't no one's really talking about what that looks like and the contributing data to this he 0.63

01:32:14.080 was saying and i haven't looked at this data but he had said that you know the data seems to

01:32:18.120 indicate that they've been lying about their population numbers by the tune of like a couple

01:32:22.460 hundred million like they were inflating like the births that they were seeing so he's like okay if

01:32:27.680 we if we say that the births are way way lower then that just says there's not enough young

01:32:32.380 people to support this which some of us on our side are waiting for we can't wait till the boomers

01:32:37.320 yeah that's that's that's one thing i thought about a lot and i wanted to bring up because i

01:32:41.880 get in arguments with people a lot about china because i have a lot of anecdotal experience

01:32:46.560 because i lived there for a long time and i'm kind of fed up with having arguments with people

01:32:50.960 who don't know anything about china and haven't lived there and want to throw statistics at me

01:32:55.860 that may or may not be actual numbers let's say you actually did read that number somewhere 0.98

01:33:01.320 But specifically in the case of China, I don't fucking care. China is a black box. Your numbers aren't real because they all come from the Chinese government and nobody else has no way of observing what the actual numbers are. There is no census. There is no economic data. There are no housing numbers. It's all fake. It's 100% Pravda. It's 100% Potemkin. 1.00

01:33:23.440 like and if you don't get that you're not even qualified to have this conversation you can have 0.52

01:33:28.400 a conversation about china but the minute you start bringing up quote unquote statistics 0.76

01:33:32.860 you're fucking lost it's over for you because there are no statistics you can only speak about 0.96

01:33:39.720 like you brought up earlier that people were pissing on zaihan for picking a date and you 0.99

01:33:45.720 said the date is probably wrong because his dates are often wrong but the points that he's making

01:33:51.300 like the heuristics a leading to b leading to c all seem to line up that's all you ever get with

01:33:57.000 china i don't think you're ever going to get a date and you're certainly never going to get

01:34:00.040 statistics but the if you look at it as a heuristic like as a causal link that you know

01:34:06.520 the demographic changes are eventually going to lead to collapse not only is that true but it is

01:34:13.320 it's not that it's more true but it is the most true thing that's even worth discussing

01:34:19.220 for china specifically like if you're talking about europe you actually can talk about economic

01:34:23.940 data and kind of trust it but with china all you can talk about is what we can observe ourselves

01:34:30.440 about their demographics without using their numbers so well that's a good point like yeah

01:34:35.800 and then i try and you know i always remind people that because people say you know the numbers coming

01:34:41.820 out are propagandistic but you know these new numbers they released look really bad and so

01:34:46.120 believe those numbers like oh no like it's all probably worse they're probably worse like 0.97

01:34:50.220 reports coming from the inside of china it's like okay we're not going to listen to xi jinping but 0.93

01:34:56.000 we're going to listen to his most trusted advisor and like no maybe his most trusted advisor is also 1.00

01:35:03.320 a full of shit chinese psychopath and you know i mean like just don't if if you know they're lying 1.00

01:35:09.520 then they're always going to be lying you can't just believe their lies when it tells truth so 1.00

01:35:13.680 yeah i think this this sort of talk i i think people don't like it on our side of things

01:35:20.580 because you know if i'm just i'll put it simply and bluntly they hate america and so they'll side

01:35:26.620 with anyone who positions themselves as an enemy to america and that would be kind of china and

01:35:33.580 they ignore all the trade ties they ignore all the stuff that we also know and talk about all

01:35:38.960 the time but it's like the relationship between these enemies is much more complicated 0.66

01:35:43.080 you know but they'll be like yeah we we want to believe china strong because they are against

01:35:49.160 the gay you know so much of and i try to avoid doing this is critiquing the dissident right or

01:35:56.480 this whole scene but i'm like you know we have to realize that at this this little mini epoch this

01:36:03.540 this little slice of time we're right now most of what i hear people bring out is just opposition 1.00

01:36:08.700 to homosexuality and you hate gay shit faggot shit so much that you're like cheerleading china 1.00

01:36:15.680 like that we've lost the plot if we're going down that and we've been firm on this for a long time 1.00

01:36:20.360 like look you can hate homosexuality you can hate gay culture don't lead that down a fucking path 0.99

01:36:25.500 to believing weird wrong shit about china and also thinking that if china if by some miracle 1.00

01:36:33.020 china took over like you have no idea how much how much worse it would be and i'll give them 1.00

01:36:39.240 here's here's one to really throw a a monkey wrench into them would you rather be a gay 0.99

01:36:44.960 white man or a chinese now don't answer right now really go think about that 0.99

01:36:51.280 and you only get two gun to your head you can pick one but not both and you can't pick neither 1.00

01:36:58.940 well you can't pick both you can't you cannot be a gay chinese a gay white chinese okay um okay 0.99

01:37:07.760 can you be gay chinese i guess that's kind of what i was getting at before like you're gonna 0.99

01:37:12.300 just have gay chinese like the the the mechanisms that led to the promulgation of homosexuality 0.90

01:37:18.400 being wielded by the powerful or the elites or whatever as a way to deracinate people is not 0.98

01:37:25.160 it's not gonna it's not gay people running the show i've never seen i've never seen um

01:37:31.840 news reports on this but anecdotally from talking to people that spend a lot of time there in 0.96

01:37:37.740 shenzhen in guandong province specifically in the south there is a huge meth and crack cocaine

01:37:43.300 problem there is a huge problem with illegal guns and gun violence and there's a huge problem with 1.00

01:37:49.780 prostitution and degenerate prostitution like trannies and gay hookers there's whole red light 1.00

01:37:54.820 districts that are just gay hookers and they have to go and clean them up every time like a 1.00

01:38:00.080 political member comes through for like a conference or something like so and then people 1.00

01:38:05.260 are like oh but china is so based and traditional no they're not they are completely free of all

01:38:11.500 principles and i don't even i don't even know where that comes from they don't understand what

01:38:16.980 tradition is anymore yeah they it's tradition is a brand name it is and i'm that's not an

01:38:23.940 exaggeration it is a brand it is a branding exercise they it's it's i want to say cargo

01:38:30.320 cult but it's so much worse than a cargo cult it's like them saying we know that there's something

01:38:35.340 important about having history and culture so we made one out of thermoplastic and we called it

01:38:41.980 china culture and we are going to wear it like a badge and that's literally the absolute limit 1.00

01:38:48.860 of their understanding of culture and tradition and it's totally insincere like it's again you 1.00

01:38:55.300 don't you wouldn't know this unless you went and spent some time living with these people

01:38:59.480 but they're so so far removed from from anything we would call conservative tradition and like

01:39:04.860 you're saying with someone like zahid who seems to be again i don't know i don't have too much

01:39:10.060 insight onto his specific political beliefs but he strikes me as someone who's just a

01:39:15.860 white liberal guy you know and like i said i think he approaches as close as he can

01:39:22.140 to speaking about demographics in a deeper way but he can't you'll never hear him say chinese people

01:39:28.060 you'll never see you know he'll talk about the han chinese as an ethnicity

01:39:32.020 and you'll talk about it like like a lot of liberals will talk about

01:39:36.480 the liberals have no problem admitting that there's such a thing as strong ethnicity insofar 0.99

01:39:45.700 as it's serving the argument of saying that nationalism is stupid so he'll say the han 1.00

01:39:52.600 chinese exist we know the han chinese exist because the han chinese believe a stupid thing 1.00

01:39:57.600 called nationalism or something like that something akin to that argument so liberals 0.86

01:40:02.020 kind of get they'll admit that there's such a thing as ethnic solidarity but only the in the

01:40:07.780 sense that we accept that there's this thing called nationalism that we want to destroy

01:40:11.760 so you know he'll talk about this like that anyway i guess we can move on from that because

01:40:18.020 there was one thing i wanted to talk about uh before and there's a couple things i wanted to

01:40:24.380 mention this is going to be a bit of an extended movie corner whoa all right so i watched i had

01:40:32.360 the displeasure of watching a few movies lately that really rubbed me the wrong way um and there's

01:40:39.780 two two that i really remember one i didn't even finish i didn't really start i just watched it

01:40:44.580 because woody harrelson it wasn't but the three movies were glass onion which was a sequel to

01:40:50.680 knives out a movie i did not like i didn't like knives out for why you would watch it because 0.88

01:40:55.320 yeah i know because knives out was horrible so it was really fucking bad that was one of those 0.92

01:40:59.720 movies where people were saying like yeah it's not great it's a good movie it's actually not a 0.92

01:41:03.740 good movie knives out is a i only watched the first half of it i just fucking turned it off 0.97

01:41:07.520 It was horrible. 0.97

01:41:08.320 It's not well done. 1.00

01:41:10.320 And everyone will say, like, yeah, it's kind of stupid, 0.99

01:41:12.100 but the acting's not really good either. 1.00

01:41:15.060 Like, fuck off. 1.00

01:41:16.140 Anyway, so there is that, 1.00

01:41:18.840 and I watched this other menu with Ray Fiennes

01:41:21.040 by the name of The Menu.

01:41:24.400 And it's got my girl Anna Taylor-Joey in that.

01:41:27.420 And this broke my heart that I didn't like it.

01:41:29.760 And Ralph Fiennes, I think, I call him Ralph Fiennes,

01:41:33.020 but I think his name is Ray Fiennes, whatever.

01:41:35.660 He's a famous guy, he's a known guy.

01:41:37.520 um and the third one was this movie called the triangle of sadness and that had woody harrelson

01:41:42.580 in it and the connective tissue between all three of these movies is that they are critiques on the

01:41:49.380 wealthy so glass onion i don't want to i can't go too deep into all three of them of course that

01:41:56.340 wouldn't make sense we'd be here for another two hours but like glass onion some people might have

01:42:00.960 read the reviews of this and kind of get the thrust of the movie but it's sort of like an

01:42:05.760 anti-murder mystery uh in the sense that um so it's got edward norton and again it pains me to

01:42:13.300 say this that ed i like edward norton and i don't know i think he's been blacklisted so he can only

01:42:18.580 do certain fuck he's like in this and sausage party and then he's in a wes anderson movie i 0.79

01:42:24.600 don't get his trajectory but whatever he's in a movie called leaves of grass everyone go watch 0.99

01:42:30.360 leaves of grass he's great in that anyway it's uh the the fucking what's it the ben wall blanc 0.96

01:42:37.900 whatever his name is played by the fucking james bond guy i forget his name i'm gonna forget names 0.99

01:42:41.820 in this i've invited you all to my island because tonight a murder will be committed 0.99

01:42:48.060 my murder once you're dead will we still be able to talk to you yeah i'm not playing dead the whole

01:42:54.420 weekend dude this is truly delightful across the island i've hidden clues you will have to 0.78

01:42:59.940 closely observe each other if anyone can name the killer that person wins our game any questions

01:43:05.940 he's invited to go to an island to participate in a murder mystery party turns out he wasn't

01:43:12.440 actually invited someone else invited in there dun dun dun what's going on and it's this billionaire

01:43:17.880 um some people say uh in the billionaire uh host is played by edward norton some people say

01:43:23.380 he's supposed to be a stand-in for elon musk i doubt it i think he's just like a general

01:43:28.800 billionaire guy although he's a tech billionaire and i would believe it if he's supposed to be a

01:43:33.920 critique on musk and that's kind of the thing of all these movies it's that and this is what i'll

01:43:39.220 start with they're just like knives out it's a critique on the rich the wealthy the elite class

01:43:47.500 um and all three of them have these archetypes of the elites or the wealthy and they love they 1.00

01:43:55.580 they have to portray them as stupid and useless and ill-deserving of what they they have and so 1.00

01:44:02.300 he's edward norton is a tech billionaire who's also pompous and he's stupid that's the twist of 1.00

01:44:06.780 the movie the twist of this movie is that it is stupid the whole movie hinges on the fact that 1.00

01:44:12.540 edward norton's character who is elon musk is really really stupid he puts on an air of knowing 0.99

01:44:18.700 what he's talking about but then they go back through the movie and they show little moments 0.96

01:44:22.220 where he's using like words incorrectly or made up words that just sound like big words so that's 0.99

01:44:28.380 kind of the hook of the whole movie kate hudson is in this and her characteristic is that she's dumb 0.87

01:44:34.460 she talks into a lamp thinking it's an alexa device and that's the joke but then to make 0.84

01:44:39.180 sure you understand the joke she says oh this is just a lamp where it's like his humor is so bad

01:44:46.540 this can't shazam it's a lamp whatever if you're gonna make a movie with some sort of

01:44:50.300 social political message that's fine as long as it doesn't feel so ham-fisted simplistic

01:44:55.900 and kind of pandering it's a murder mystery both of these movies are murder mysteries 1.00

01:45:00.820 uh the benoit blanc you know detective guy says as much he's saying this is so stupid there's not 0.98

01:45:07.660 actually a mystery here everything was accidental it turns out that the billionaire is actually an 0.99

01:45:12.500 idiot and that's the big reveal and it's like it's like the i felt that the movie was making 0.98

01:45:18.680 fun of the audience it's a very cynical nihilistic sort of thing to make a movie that is screaming 1.00

01:45:26.160 to you that how stupid the fucking movie is and some people will say well that's subversive i 0.99

01:45:30.600 don't accept subversion as a selling point for a fucking movie and if someone says that i'm going 1.00

01:45:37.380 to take my hand and put it in the entire fucking fist in their mouth i'm gonna start putting it 1.00

01:45:42.900 down your fucking throat and i'm not gonna stop i'm not gonna stop until i climb inside of you 1.00

01:45:48.040 and rip my fucking face out through your asshole if i hear one person say oh it's subversive isn't 1.00

01:45:54.120 that cool fuck you i will skin you alive like a mountain man anyway so what i found was like even 1.00

01:46:03.780 with knives out if you watch the end of that movie it's like it's the story of like these 1.00

01:46:08.540 this like this again rich white guy who gives all his money to this like shitty brown girl 0.95

01:46:14.660 and then his it ends with his like the the successors and the people who were to inherit 0.98

01:46:20.740 the money they get nothing it goes to this brown girl so it's almost like a critique on like

01:46:24.600 white wealth and the exact same thing happens here i want to tell you the end of glass onion

01:46:30.240 i'm not going to go through the whole movie i'll tell you the end of it and you extrapolate it how

01:46:34.920 you because how they got to this doesn't make any sense it's actually a really poorly done movie so 0.92

01:46:40.120 there's a black woman in this and she's supposed to play like the good-hearted brilliant person

01:46:47.340 um edward noren's character he's a tech billionaire who invented a new renewable

01:46:52.360 energy source that you can get from like salt salt water miracle energy source and in he's he's

01:47:00.440 he's built this yeah well he stole it from uh the black woman's sister who was another black woman

01:47:08.300 she actually invented it 0.95

01:47:10.420 yeah but he invented

01:47:12.660 he's got it and he's got it there

01:47:14.380 and so after

01:47:16.600 the whole big reveal

01:47:17.860 you know they're trying she's mad at him 0.77

01:47:20.620 because he killed her sister so 1.00

01:47:22.580 she takes

01:47:23.460 the precious 0.96

01:47:26.560 energy source

01:47:28.640 that would solve the energy

01:47:30.240 solve the energy crisis around the world

01:47:31.980 throws it in the fire 1.00

01:47:35.040 so she could blow up the house 0.96

01:47:36.720 energy source is gone 1.00

01:47:38.060 and at the end of it as everything's burning she decides to twist the knife in him and burn

01:47:45.540 the mona lisa because he had collected the mona lisa and we watch him like screaming as the mona 0.62

01:47:52.120 lisa burns and we as the audience anti-white right yeah that's just anti-white it's it's a 0.86

01:47:58.620 black woman who black woman burning the mona lisa while a rich white man screams and cries

01:48:03.300 yes like i'm looking at this and i'm like what am i supposed to feel now i don't get it because 0.96

01:48:11.260 i'm supposed to like i'm supposed to hate this guy so much that i i'm glad that this renewable

01:48:16.840 energy source is destroyed and like there's other plot holes like you know no one gets away from

01:48:22.340 this like all of you are going to be arrested because he didn't die at the end everyone survived 0.98

01:48:26.740 but okay so you're all going to be arrested for destroying all this shit you're all good you know 0.95

01:48:30.560 i mean like all this there's no proof that he did anything either it's a badly done movie but that 0.96

01:48:35.720 scene there that scene of we're gonna and the whole movie up until that point has had these

01:48:41.200 archetypes of wealth like i was saying these archetypes of like here's this guy who he's he's

01:48:46.580 a big tough guy big muscly almost like a joe rogan type he loves shooting his gun but he lives with 0.99

01:48:51.660 his mom wah wah and he he ends up dead it's like every rich person must be stupid every rich person 0.99

01:48:59.840 must suffer and we must think it's funny and i but i noticed the exact same thing happened with 0.99

01:49:06.860 the menu now the menu is a kind of a horror comedy about ray fines who plays essentially a gordon

01:49:16.320 ramsey stand-in has the most high-end restaurant in the world on this island and a bunch of people

01:49:22.440 go it's kind of set up like a murder mystery as well and it's this weird dinner and long story

01:49:28.000 short things are weird and ann taylor joy plays a woman who's with this guy and over the course of

01:49:34.340 the evening over the course of the courses you learn about all the people who are gathered there

01:49:39.540 or kind of shitty in their own way like they're also elites they're also rich they're also corrupt 0.61

01:49:45.180 welcome to half long here we are family we harvest we ferment we gel 0.97

01:49:54.120 They gel?

01:49:56.120 We gel.

01:49:57.120 He's not just a chef.

01:49:59.120 He's a storyteller.

01:50:01.120 The game is trying to guess what the overarching theme of the entire meal is going to be.

01:50:06.120 You won't know until the end.

01:50:08.120 Who are you?

01:50:10.120 I am Margo.

01:50:12.120 Why do you care?

01:50:14.120 I have to know if you're with us or with them.

01:50:17.120 This menu.

01:50:19.120 The pictures, they're of us.

01:50:21.120 This guest list.

01:50:23.120 didn't get this it's not good this entire evening this is just theater it's stagecraft we're leaving

01:50:30.360 now has been painstakingly planned

01:50:33.500 this is real isn't it what the hell is going on we now offer you a 45 second head start

01:50:43.520 okay 45 seconds starts now and then over the course of the night it's revealed that 0.91

01:50:50.920 uh ray finds he hates being a celebrity chef and he just wants to kill everyone there because they

01:50:56.780 all represent something he hates about himself so it's like again these are the elites these are 0.95

01:51:02.060 rich people that and we're supposed to be happy and think it's funny that they're all gonna die

01:51:06.700 and they all do die and there's a lot of gore and there's this and that and the other and i just i

01:51:11.760 as i'm watching this i'm i'm very intrigued because what i notice with all of these movies

01:51:18.400 And Triangle of Sadness is the same, too.

01:51:20.660 But I noticed that the way rich people are depicted now is very specific.

01:51:26.880 Like, you won't find, for example, an old guy who owns a bank, like the CEO of Morgan Stanley, right?

01:51:34.940 You won't find an old corrupt politician.

01:51:37.700 you won't find you know the types of who they count who who we the types of rich people we are

01:51:44.680 being permitted to hate are a very specific type of rich people so the common character in all

01:51:51.340 these will be the vapid influencer or the new tech billionaire he's he's young money he's nouveau

01:51:59.180 riche let's laugh at them right the types of wealthy elites that they have in these movies

01:52:04.600 movies made also by rich people by the way ryan johnson who made glass onion also wrote and

01:52:12.200 directed a star wars film for the disney corporation he is a multi-millionaire he is an

01:52:16.860 elite so you are watching products created by elites saying look at these elites don't you hate

01:52:24.100 them don't you hate like the old vacationing person no who i hate is ryan johnson writer

01:52:31.500 director of glass onion who is an elite who i don't and he's telling me don't you hate joe rogan

01:52:38.660 don't you hate elon musk isn't it funny when the mona lisa is no no no i hate you i want to

01:52:44.920 you because you're all and you're laughing you're laughing at me you want me to laugh and like these 0.99

01:52:54.060 people suffering while also making a shit product and laughing at me for paying for it i didn't pay 0.99

01:53:00.960 for it i downloaded it but if i did pay for it it would be the same fucking thing right yeah and 0.98

01:53:07.220 i just noticed that this what it seems to me is almost like old money serving up the nouveau reach 0.93

01:53:13.620 the wrong type of elite right this is the fucking you know um who's the guy rupert murdoch serving 1.00

01:53:23.260 up joe rogan's head on a platter like don't you hate this elitist fuck you you fucking fossil 1.00

01:53:29.060 i hate you i know who i hate i'm not accepting this sort of like what i'm trying to say is i 1.00

01:53:34.820 don't accept this as a class critique and if people say oh i just like watching rich people 1.00

01:53:39.660 shit their pants i'm like you're a fucking moron they're laughing at you they think you're a pleb 1.00

01:53:44.540 they think you're less than a peasant and they're serving you this slop and it's just it's fascinating 1.00

01:53:49.720 that they've kind of commoditized this class critique and they're serving that up to you and

01:53:55.260 Triangle of Sadness was the same thing except for a boat.

01:53:58.280 And even in the menu, who's the hero of the menu? 1.00

01:54:01.780 Anna Taylor-Joy, who is a prostitute. 1.00

01:54:04.820 But yeah, they show up and she's not on the list. 0.99

01:54:08.080 And he specifically designed this dinner, the menu and the dinner party for very specific people that he thinks needs to die.

01:54:18.080 Yeah.

01:54:18.320 And his grand finale.

01:54:21.080 Grand finale.

01:54:21.780 grand finale but yeah and she's just like she appeals to his inner sense his inner inner child

01:54:30.060 where she's like i just want a cheeseburger make it real good and he's like oh yeah yes i'm gonna

01:54:36.000 cook you the best cheeseburger ever and um you want this because you genuinely want to eat a

01:54:41.240 cheeseburger you're not trying to impress anyone you're not trying to show how like sophisticated 0.98

01:54:45.720 you are like once you know again i can't go into the details because it who gives a shit 0.94

01:54:51.840 but it's like all the people who are we're supposed to hate aren't really bad people

01:54:56.480 and the the ones that were said that we can like in this movie the only one who survives the menu

01:55:02.200 is ann taylor joy the last image of her as this restaurant burns and everyone's dead

01:55:07.280 is her as a prostitute eating a hamburger and watching it burn and we're supposed to say what's 1.00

01:55:12.980 that the yas queen mic drop moment fuck you i'll slaughter everyone who's responsible for all these 1.00

01:55:19.400 movies i'm sorry i'm getting really angry just like the sleight of hand here and it's like the 1.00

01:55:26.400 the whore one guys like you know who are we supposed to hate we're supposed to hate snooty 0.95

01:55:32.020 people we're supposed to hate don't we're not supposed to hate millionaires we're supposed to 0.99

01:55:37.200 hate people of 250 000 they make a year that's who they're trying to convince you 0.99

01:55:42.940 you should hate hate the person who just made six figures fuck that guy but don't hate you know 0.97

01:55:49.340 the billionaire don't hate the disney corporation whatever you do donate disney corporation that 1.00

01:55:55.020 led to this shit being shoveled in your mouth you know who you know he should yeah fuck them 1.00

01:56:00.540 but you should love his captain america anyway i just i i was just fascinated that right in a row 1.00

01:56:06.320 we get this through these three movies is there a pattern where in recent history those people

01:56:14.020 okay so like you've got some jew slash white guy he's actually jewish who works in the media or 0.62

01:56:22.380 he works in the newspaper like he's they're the ones that are in control of these narratives right 0.58

01:56:26.020 and then they're friends in the military industrial complex or in the state they're the actual elites

01:56:31.600 right? Or maybe they're the heads of banks. They're the actual elites, the ones that are

01:56:36.580 literal billionaires or, or have the control over billions of value by controlling like media

01:56:44.020 conglomerates. Right. And then downstream from them slightly, you have like the equivalent,

01:56:50.460 the liberal equivalent of my pillow guy, like somebody who's visible and is wealthy and has

01:56:55.680 some influence but is not like you know making the fate of whole generations and it used to be

01:57:02.320 to me that those people were kind of the golems and they were um like well-kept pets of the actual 0.99

01:57:09.560 elite because they were the ones that were always talking down to us and defending the existence of 0.98

01:57:15.400 this elites and it's almost like in these cases now they're being thrown under the bus because

01:57:20.440 like influencers and quote-unquote industrialists to the extent that they even exist anymore

01:57:25.620 are not in the same position as like beltway elites you know like dc elites or or or media

01:57:34.280 men who like like the media men who were responsible for like half of the global population

01:57:41.200 being vaccinated never mind the money that they have in the bank account they single-handedly 0.98

01:57:47.020 sterilized half the human population in the past two years right that's fucking power so it seems 0.97

01:57:54.340 like those guys are now maybe they don't need us maybe that's the whole thing like they or rather 0.99

01:57:59.620 they don't need the golems anymore so they're throwing them under the bus but yeah it's crazy 0.99

01:58:03.440 to have these fucking people literally like burning their own their own fucking guys 0.99

01:58:11.120 and their own narratives and i would look at this like i always ask this movie who's this for who 0.99

01:58:16.400 actually is laughing and cheering at this and the only people i can think of are like twitter people

01:58:22.200 and i'm using that as an archetype you know they're not just people who use twitter but that

01:58:26.020 type of personality the type of person who like really hates elon musk and has hated him for like

01:58:31.960 a long long time and wants to see him get his comeuppance for like some some reason i don't

01:58:37.180 know why i don't know why it would be hot or cold on elan musk but i noticed that i'm like okay but

01:58:42.660 who are those people the journalists journalists love this stuff and and so i'm looking at this

01:58:50.180 almost like if we want to use maybe more marxist terms let's just throw that out there the

01:58:54.120 bourgeoisie right there's the bourgeoisie uh that would be sort of the upper echelons then there's

01:59:00.680 the petite bourgeoisie these are seen as sort of like the middle managers right that's who i see

01:59:06.460 this is for it's not it's the petite bourgeoisie versus who they hate and what i noticed about the

01:59:13.000 targets that they're choosing in all of these movies and i'm just using these three as an

01:59:16.900 example as other movies but it's not like the criticism that's being levied against them

01:59:22.740 the all the victims in the movie the menu all of them it's not that they're evil and corrupt

01:59:29.640 not really there's like a couple in the menu who are but it's very vague it's not it's not a good

01:59:34.420 movie the menu is a bad movie if you think it's a good movie you are wrong if you think the menu

01:59:40.400 is a good movie you need to not watch movies for a year you've been tricked it's easy it's easy to

01:59:46.640 make a movie that has all the parts that maybe it looks serious and the camera angles and the

01:59:51.780 lighting but it's actually not a good movie and if you think about it later it falls apart but 0.98

01:59:56.560 that what i noticed about the victims is that they're not corrupt and evil they are dumb and 0.99

02:00:02.800 undeserving that's what you get about the characters in knives out they're dumb and 0.99

02:00:08.360 undeserving and we're supposed to sneer at them just like the characters rich characters in 1.00

02:00:13.560 glass onion they're dumb and undeserving menu same thing like the thing you hate about them 1.00

02:00:19.200 is their stupidity and that's that was so specific i'm like you you could have written 1.00

02:00:25.760 them as evil you could have written them as wicked and deserving of punishment but you're 1.00

02:00:29.520 supposed to be like you don't want them evil you want conquered but these dumb people you want to 0.99

02:00:36.260 see them cry and suffer there's a true wickedness and the types of movies that how they play around 0.98

02:00:42.160 with these archetypes and humiliate them this is a movie about humiliation and again i must 1.00

02:00:47.700 reiterate the end of the glass onion ends with a fucking black woman and a gay man 1.00

02:00:54.380 blow destroying renewable energy for the entire planet and burn the mona lisa to make a white 1.00

02:01:00.440 man upset after calling him an idiot they had to have a scene where they call him an idiot you 1.00

02:01:05.780 know i mean like this is some kind of ritual thing that we're supposed to like who is this for 1.00

02:01:11.080 it's for when you do that ryan johnson does it on purpose he wants to piss people off with that

02:01:19.400 right so who does he want to piss off with that well the entire working class the scene i just

02:01:26.080 described to you in those words in that summary is designed to infuriate the republicans the

02:01:32.700 conservatives the working class the people that anyone outside of los angeles so again this movie 0.99

02:01:40.400 is designed only to appeal to fucking twitter faggots in los angeles yeah it's almost like he 0.98

02:01:47.000 made it explicit with that ending scene so and i have to look at it i'm like you ryan johnson 1.00

02:01:51.460 you're the petite bourgeoisie you are the sniveling little shit that makes a movie like this and it's 0.99

02:01:57.860 like yeah looking rich people as if you're not a rich person as if you shouldn't be 1.00

02:02:02.080 fucking throat like like someone in your movie i'll put you in your own movie as a shithead 1.00

02:02:10.680 director who gets his comeuppance make that your next try hard fucking failure of a script 1.00

02:02:16.620 and we can stop pretending to like ryan johnson like we're talking about this sort of class 0.94

02:02:22.400 this very reductive confused class struggle and this very confused conceptualization of equality 1.00

02:02:31.600 like you know the thrust of these movies is that the little guy wins the fucking whore 1.00

02:02:37.040 prostitute with a hamburger wins because the field has been leveled you've taken the rich 0.99

02:02:43.080 people and knocked him down a pig right and after our last episode we discussed demastra 0.87

02:02:49.440 demastra it was a fantastic book i recommend people listen to the clip but one of the things

02:02:54.320 about demastra is that uh in a lot of his writings he was responding he was a reactionary and some

02:03:00.340 people call him a reactionary but i think he's got more to his writing than just being reactionary

02:03:05.820 but a lot of the stuff people like are his reactionary writings and some of his most popular

02:03:11.560 one was him um going after uh jean-jacques rousseau and i mentioned it in the clip as well

02:03:17.560 his critiques on rousseau um and so i actually went and read rousseau i never read anything

02:03:25.180 by rousseau and rousseau has written a lot but i picked up one very foundational book that he

02:03:30.540 had written very very short book um called discourse on inequality uh it's very interesting

02:03:36.860 I think this, some people push back on me when I say this, but I would say this is very heavily contributing to the modern conceptualization of anarchy.

02:03:47.760 You know, what he's talked about in this book in hundreds, and it was published in 1755, right?

02:03:54.260 So these were all new ideas floating around, around the Enlightenment and whatnot.

02:03:58.900 So I read this because I actually wanted to go to the source, to actually read, what does Rousseau say?

02:04:06.400 not just his critics but let's actually uh have a look and i will say you know having given it

02:04:12.340 its time in the spotlight it is one of the worst things i've ever read

02:04:17.120 and you know just and this isn't the the actual writer's fault but i bought a copy of it

02:04:25.420 um from mon crief classics when i bought it it looked like it was one of those penguin classics

02:04:31.180 it's designed to look like that um but it's by this other press which seems fine except that

02:04:37.040 they decided not to print it with any page numbers so i've got some notes on it that i

02:04:43.040 thought were interesting but i don't have references so it's hard for me to find quotes

02:04:46.220 to read from it um casual you're supposed to write your own page numbers in the book

02:04:50.780 with a pen i had debated it i had considered actually going through it and i said i don't

02:04:56.120 want it but it's very short though it's like a hundred pages what i don't know how many pages

02:04:59.520 it is. Let's say it's a hundred. It's very, very short. You can get through it pretty fast, but

02:05:05.220 it's very plainly written too. So if you want to hear this, someone try and unpack what equality

02:05:13.280 and inequality actually is from a philosophical level, it's interesting. It's interesting because

02:05:18.500 for someone to sit down and try and trace the roots of inequality, which is what he endeavors

02:05:25.520 to do in this book. You don't hear people talk about that often. So it was interesting,

02:05:30.040 just like hearing Demaestra give a full-throated and detailed defense of monarchy. You don't hear

02:05:35.800 a lot of people, I don't hear a lot of anarchists really give a full-throated defense of what is

02:05:40.200 inequality? How was it created? How did it emerge? And why should it be worked back? And so again,

02:05:47.560 I don't agree with any of this. I actually don't like it. And I'll go so far as to say it's written

02:05:52.800 quite stupidly and i've never said that before i've never said that a work of this it's it's a 0.76

02:05:58.860 renowned work he's a very very famous writer and i i i've read a lot of people i disagree with 0.93

02:06:05.300 but i'm like you know what they're very very smart i just disagree even when we read nihilists 0.97

02:06:09.500 i'm not a nihilist but i i saw like there's a intelligent mind here this is really fucking 0.97

02:06:14.460 stupid like shockingly dumb i'm just going to give you just some notes here um to just to again be 0.98

02:06:24.380 fair to the writer but so he starts by saying there's two types of inequality only one he's 1.00

02:06:31.360 really concerned with uh there's a natural inequality and political inequality um and he's

02:06:38.260 trying to figure out where political inequality comes from social inequality so he's not even

02:06:42.480 try to say that oh you know i'm not trying to make nature perfect but let's look around there's

02:06:46.720 inequality everywhere where does that come from he argues that in the course of evolution man

02:06:52.420 starts to become civilized by comparing himself to others through what he calls perfectibility

02:06:58.860 essentially man's capacity for mimicry and developments by copying others as man enters

02:07:06.680 society though this a more de soire the love of self transforms into a more prop which is a sense

02:07:14.500 of his own self-worth this stems from man learning from others but simultaneously comparing himself

02:07:21.320 to them which diminishes his pity for others and he seeks to speak to all citizens of the world

02:07:28.200 and from the point of view of nature rather than history or philosophy so he kind of throws history 0.97

02:07:34.220 out history is bullshit philosophy is bullshit and like a lot of people at the time he was coming 0.98

02:07:38.580 at this from a almost a naturalist perspective you hear a lot of people talk about natural law 0.99

02:07:43.960 but then there's also like natural man man in his natural state you see this in hobbes as well a lot

02:07:49.620 of these great enlightenment thinkers are trying to recontextualize humanity as like what's man

02:07:55.060 his true natural state and that's where they actually disagree and later on rousseau he cites

02:08:02.380 hobbes he cites a lot of these other authors and he'll say look hobbes thomas hobbes he says that

02:08:07.280 man in his natural state is warlike and he's he's savage and he he thirsts for conquest and things

02:08:15.560 like that he rejects all of that so at the very start of this he says man in his natural state

02:08:21.760 pre-civilization pre-society man was very kind and and and pitied and he was a creature of love

02:08:31.420 so that's how he starts and i disagree with that i think a lot of our our listeners would disagree

02:08:38.380 with that as well but and what surprised me was he said very very early on in the book 0.93

02:08:44.060 he had said you know let me just say i'm not gonna cite history here so fuck history right 0.89

02:08:50.060 fuck anthropology anthropology's out and he says i don't have any special expertise on this 0.99

02:08:55.000 so he's not an archaeologist he doesn't doesn't give a shit so he admits early on that this is 0.98

02:08:59.940 him just making it up almost and so i was kind of surprised by that i'm like okay uh that's very 0.96

02:09:06.380 daring of you okay so uh and he considers man as an animal so even a lot of people who think a man

02:09:15.240 is natural state they'll still think of man as something other than animal something unique he

02:09:20.380 has something else to offer no he says man is just an animal there's nothing supernatural about him

02:09:25.340 and there's nothing really social about him at the baseline like there is no essential drive

02:09:31.120 for man to be in a community that's kind of what he's saying and the entire desire to be in a

02:09:38.220 community is almost a form of corruption you know because you have to think like you know

02:09:43.120 civilization is unequal but you know there's also uh communities that are hierarchical and 0.86

02:09:48.820 unequal it's like yeah that's bullshit too you're thinking okay well you must think families are 1.00

02:09:54.180 He's like, no, it's all bullshit. He is the extreme of the guy who believes in true social atomization. 1.00

02:10:02.680 This is the book to point to when people say that even cooperation, in a sense, is corrupt.

02:10:10.540 He notes the lack of covetousness of savages for Western material goods. 1.00

02:10:16.760 As with Native Americans, only the most useful things, such as guns and horses, appealed. 1.00

02:10:22.180 world, with Rousseau giving the example of a Native American who found use only in a 1.00

02:10:26.940 wool shawl, which he considered almost as good as an animal's skin. Rousseau coined

02:10:33.000 the term bourgeois, and he considered the bourgeoisie to be one of these new types of

02:10:37.500 human that wants to appear to be one thing when actually being another. He proposed the

02:10:43.080 bourgeoisie care about themselves when with other people, and about other people when

02:10:47.880 they are by themselves.

02:10:50.340 The center of this book is kind of interesting.

02:10:52.540 I don't agree with it, but I kind of I was interested in how he said it.

02:10:57.360 So he said that, like, knowledge itself is the enemy, right?

02:11:02.960 So he kind of creates this image of man in his perfect, most natural state as some sort of caveman.

02:11:10.600 He describes it in detail, like, you know, once we were among the trees and the caves and we just picked fruit from the trees and everything was around us.

02:11:20.000 and we didn't want for anything.

02:11:50.000 that's kind of the main character of this sort of outlook right okay so he says but

02:11:59.800 the moment you introduce knowledge itself that's when you start to spiral so his ideal

02:12:06.720 archetype of humanity the ideal situation of man is also being completely unaware

02:12:13.720 and that's something that should be strived to in his mind so he's like but the more we know things

02:12:21.080 he says that you know humans in their natural state are indebted to their passions you know

02:12:27.160 we have our desires we want to have to mate and to eat and all the base desires and he says but

02:12:32.480 um really the more knowledge you get the more passions you introduce so really he just says

02:12:41.080 that is for us to want power and us to knowledge only gives us more things to want is what he's

02:12:47.040 saying so really the enemy is knowledge if you don't know of things to desire you won't desire

02:12:52.380 them and not desiring is the natural state of man you don't you don't want anything you just

02:12:58.060 kind of stumble into stuff and he says that is the natural state and again i disagree with that and

02:13:03.200 anyone who knows anything would disagree with that but that's why he's casting this not even as

02:13:08.680 a factual history it's more of an ideal it's reverse ideal he's idealizing the past openly

02:13:16.420 he says that most authors say that man would have been miserable back then but we exist in his this

02:13:24.200 is i'm paraphrasing but he does say this he says but we existed a long time like that

02:13:29.460 he's like how could ancient cavemen have been miserable if they were cavemen for so long

02:13:37.320 what i'm not joking that's what he says we lived a long time like that which means we must have not

02:13:44.520 desired to exit that until we started to create language which multiplied our desires and thus

02:13:52.640 created division so he says like not only like language comes from knowledge all language it

02:13:59.120 leads to corruption and so all and also all knowledge leads to corruption because it leads

02:14:02.880 to language so he's like if we just didn't know anything or talk to each other we wouldn't have

02:14:07.300 any of these problems to which i would say you're right you're like if we went around the world and

02:14:14.340 lobotomized everybody i it would probably be more peaceful but consider this i think rousseau

02:14:23.260 invented autism this is like one of the most autistic arguments i've ever heard like completely

02:14:28.980 missing the point seizing on something that's like some intellectual trick and throwing the 0.99

02:14:35.660 baby out with the bath water like that's wild this guy was autistic as fuck yeah and that's 0.99

02:14:40.800 why i was likening this to the our previous discussion because i think that when i see a 0.99

02:14:48.480 movie where the hero of that is supposed to be the the dumbest most disconnected person like in the 0.97

02:14:56.260 menu again the hero of that movie is anna taylor joy who is a prostitute who doesn't want to be 0.99

02:15:02.300 there she just she's but she sees through everything she doesn't desire anything they

02:15:06.960 desire and she's cast as like the divine prostitute you know almost like she's she's the baseline of

02:15:15.180 humanity versus all the pomp and circumstance so like i i would i'm watching that i'm like oh so 0.99

02:15:21.880 this is who like a modern version of rousseau like the most base form of humanity is a whore eating 0.71

02:15:27.540 a burger and that is seen as the ideal that is the end of the menu that's this this it transplanted 0.80

02:15:35.580 into a modern thing and maybe i'm reading too much into it i bet you i am but here's the thing

02:15:40.780 i'm not gonna stop i'm not gonna stop doing this thing i'm doing unstoppable let's get back to 0.87

02:15:47.240 rousseau we're talking movies we're talking rousseau we're talking all kinds of shit this 0.97

02:15:51.140 is a good show for good people you'll need to be smart but you need to be good 0.98

02:15:55.760 and he says things that kind of sound like they could be fair enough where he says you know

02:16:05.320 everything in the ancient man was archaic and there were no concepts of property or anything

02:16:10.260 like that you're like yeah i guess cavemen wouldn't have property rights of course but

02:16:15.620 he also says that didn't have that or mating ownership so he's saying that you know people 0.98

02:16:21.920 just used to you'd collide with a woman and you'd fuck and then she'd have a baby you'd walk away

02:16:27.100 there was no fathers and mothers his claim i'm not joking i am paraphrasing but this is i'm not 0.95

02:16:32.960 joking when i say this he's saying that you know any raising kids was almost incidental there was

02:16:37.760 no connection between mother and child or child wrong because it's false it's it's a very wrong

02:16:45.800 thing to say so wrong it's like mothers only accidentally raised their children and there

02:16:51.440 was no real relationship between the two that relationship and the family was only introduced

02:16:55.900 later through knowledge but it's like that on on no level does that make sense we could unpack this

02:17:01.980 with biology anthropology common sense no it was just like monkey like look look at apes now

02:17:09.420 do apes have families do chimps have families are chimps cruel to each other like look rousseau 0.97

02:17:18.820 there were monkeys in the 1700s nigga i don't know what to tell and but he actually he does

02:17:26.220 relate to animals quite a bit in this i'll give you two examples where he says that um 0.60

02:17:31.160 he makes a comment so the argument he was making we talked about this before was that the natural

02:17:37.480 state of man is to be kind and peaceful he says the example he gives is look at horses

02:17:44.520 you'll notice that horses when one horse falls down other horses won't trample that horse that

02:17:50.640 there is a a built-in pity you know for for you know wounded horses and they don't have a language

02:17:56.760 and that in a natural state of animals animals are pitiful for each other and right away i can

02:18:01.420 hear people punching the screen because if you know anything about animals um if you read a book

02:18:06.940 i don't care what book you read you read a single book in your life you probably know that animals

02:18:11.860 are not nice to each other at all and that horses will trample each other they will also rape each

02:18:16.580 other they'll also eat each other they'll stomp each other's babies if if a if a one of a male 0.98

02:18:25.540 wants to get the female he'll kill that female's kids just because they're inconvenient they'll do 0.99

02:18:31.340 all like let's talk about horses i bet i could make up things about horses right now and they 1.00

02:18:36.640 be true here's one uh horse a female horse will birth a male horse and every the first born male

02:18:45.740 horse the female horse will kick to death i just made that up i don't know if it's true i bet if i

02:18:50.780 looked it up it would be true we could make up horse facts all day if we wanted to whatever

02:18:56.480 wretched acts you want to proclaim that an animal did i bet you it's true i bet there's evidence

02:19:02.000 of a horse turning

02:19:04.740 one male horse turning another 1.00

02:19:06.860 male horse's penis inside 1.00

02:19:08.900 out don't ask me how 1.00

02:19:10.600 I'm not a fucking zoologist 0.99

02:19:12.880 I'm just saying it's true 0.98

02:19:14.560 this is more of a comment really

02:19:16.380 so you know don't pity

02:19:18.340 the natural state is pity and peace

02:19:20.420 with animals

02:19:21.120 and really it comes

02:19:24.940 down to you know

02:19:25.880 you can see the logic behind what he's

02:19:29.020 saying so he's saying like

02:19:30.100 the very thing that

02:19:32.800 so back then if we accept

02:19:34.860 that we had no knowledge that we were in this

02:19:37.060 state he's like if we didn't have

02:19:39.080 the mental faculties to do any of this

02:19:41.100 stuff we wouldn't have the mental

02:19:42.760 faculties for ill will

02:19:44.620 he says that to wish to do ill

02:19:47.080 will to someone

02:19:47.960 requires a higher level

02:19:51.400 an advanced level of

02:19:53.180 cognition which were

02:19:55.220 denied to ancient man

02:19:56.840 so they couldn't just murder 0.90

02:19:58.840 or steal or rape

02:20:01.060 you know because they couldn't even think 0.98

02:20:03.100 of it um and

02:20:04.820 he advances this

02:20:07.080 by saying that you know and this

02:20:09.040 is where the actual anarchist theory

02:20:10.920 I think comes in

02:20:11.720 um and some people push back on me on that

02:20:14.960 by saying no that you're talking about left anarchism

02:20:17.140 I get it I get it

02:20:18.140 but you can kind of see

02:20:20.100 the logic when he says that

02:20:22.300 you can't actually do ill will to someone

02:20:24.700 if you are dependent on them so like

02:20:26.580 all back then all anyone wanted to do was have preserved themselves self-preservation is the

02:20:33.400 name of the game so it's you can't really hurt anyone if you're also dependent on them for

02:20:38.960 survival you know that's kind of what he was saying and i'm like you know i hear that i hear

02:20:43.460 echoes of that when i look into anarchist theory that if you actually make individuals

02:20:49.520 extremely dependent on each other then they can't hurt each other because then they will just be

02:20:56.320 hurting themselves i'm like okay i see what you're saying and there is truth to that especially on a 1.00

02:21:02.860 community level on a tribal level you know you start you start raping and fucking you're just 0.99

02:21:07.580 gonna hurt yourself and that could by hurting the tribe i get that but also i i think he takes that 0.99

02:21:15.180 a bit too far and it also means but that also does happen you can also have what if what if

02:21:20.440 the most savage person takes control like usually happens you know like all it takes is the one most

02:21:28.040 clever and savage person to change the name of the game and then it's all to serve him usually 0.98

02:21:33.580 it's a him like okay so that that happens all the fucking time why wouldn't it have happened back 0.96

02:21:39.120 then he will say oh but there was that was the first ape man to think of that like no i'm just 0.93

02:21:45.040 maybe more than one thought of it you know and his saying is that man is born free but everywhere

02:21:51.780 in chains so all these social structures that have been set up are what leads to corruption

02:21:57.580 and jealousy and the disintegration of society so then if you strip away all of these elements

02:22:04.700 what's left people being free together in total equality making decisions for what's best for

02:22:12.700 the community or what Rousseau called the general will without this situation where all of a sudden

02:22:18.580 you might start getting power inequalities between people that lead to corruption as Rousseau saw it

02:22:23.800 and he even goes so far as to say that you know like the almost predicting what I would say there

02:22:30.480 is a part of the book where he's I remember he says there are animals who fight over each other

02:22:35.600 for mates he's like ah but that's not actually any ill will that is them competing for limited

02:22:41.380 resources in women you know i'm like i hear what you're saying but also we're assuming we're just

02:22:47.380 assuming that people compete over mates because there's not enough mates sometimes they compete

02:22:52.640 sometimes there's lots and lots of mates and one guy still competes over them and has more than one

02:22:57.980 right so again it's built on this guy i guess not having seen an animal so he's living in france 0.98

02:23:07.280 he's living in paris so maybe they don't have animals there maybe he never looked at a fucking 0.62

02:23:11.120 pigeon but it's like plainly wrong right um and the line he had here is and i'll just repeat the 0.97

02:23:18.740 line just to give it its fair shake it says in nature it's impossible to have slaves because

02:23:24.880 everyone is a slave to each other for survival and if i can say if i can give it any sort of credit

02:23:31.520 i think that's it i think i'm okay there if there's a beating heart of this thing i'm like

02:23:36.160 i kind of i get what you're saying i don't agree with it but there's that's the system that he's

02:23:42.520 he's describing um and then he ends the entire thing by saying civilization knowledge and

02:23:51.580 collaboration ruined mankind like even the idea of collaborating with someone it's like look i

02:23:57.920 need food you have food maybe we can help each other out he's like aha but when you collaborate

02:24:03.040 with someone you're kind of entering into a power dynamic where now they have ownership over you

02:24:08.460 their charity gives them power over you you see what i'm saying so like even like sharing and

02:24:13.620 being a community is itself a problem so he will not accept that even living in a commune would

02:24:19.640 work it almost it needs to be utterly and completely randomized and for no one to be

02:24:26.000 paying attention at any time and that is the truest and most ideal position of man and so 0.99

02:24:35.300 when i see a movie where anna taylor joy is a burger sucking prostitute and she's just and 0.99

02:24:44.100 and she's happy about it and she's watching or when a black woman destroys the world and we're 0.98

02:24:51.500 supposed to laugh i just see echoes of this in that and i might be reaching by comparing it to 0.59

02:24:59.140 that movie but within this book it's the most fascinating part is rebelling against inequality

02:25:08.900 yes that's what it is but to do that we must elect a figurehead we must elect the counter-ideal the

02:25:17.540 antithesis of inequality so within this book the antithesis is the atomized you can only call it a

02:25:25.880 caveman the way it's described it caveman doesn't know what's going on and is is not a slave to its

02:25:31.900 base desires because he is just base desires he lacks knowledge he lacks awareness he is so

02:25:39.640 disconnected from any of the power that he he can't even the moment he even gets a grain of

02:25:46.760 power it's over he could only exist in this permanent stasis and i think that's the the

02:25:52.440 character that they need to elect as the hero of these movies now it's never these individuals

02:25:58.840 who actually rebel against inequality they are slaves but they are elected as the figurehead

02:26:05.340 by the types of people who do wage these wars so in glass onion it is this poor black girl who's

02:26:12.040 there's nothing wrong with her it's like it she's not even given any i forget her name i you know

02:26:18.160 i'll try and have a clip in here if i can but you know she's not given any negative attributes or

02:26:23.300 positive attributes she is almost a force of nature the black woman in glass onion similarly

02:26:28.880 to anna taylor joy as a character she is nothing she is an atomized deracinated a force of nature 0.68

02:26:38.740 against inequality itself that is what her character is and she wins she's not interesting 0.89

02:26:44.720 she has no character she's got no no fucking attributes in this movie at all and the people

02:26:50.860 who do have attributes are the ones who suffer the most so i just i find these parallels within 0.95

02:26:56.780 these two books different executions and different severities but it's like if you want to have these

02:27:02.580 films where it's

02:27:04.700 you're taking aim at inequality

02:27:06.540 itself that was the first Knives

02:27:08.560 Out movie it's a critique on

02:27:10.440 it's such a bad critique it's like

02:27:12.660 I guess you're against classes existing

02:27:14.820 or something but it's the

02:27:16.680 same thing here it's like what is Knives

02:27:18.700 Out really against and it wears

02:27:20.740 its message on its sleeve the entire

02:27:22.860 movie is a message it's just a 0.98

02:27:24.680 shit message right but like 0.99

02:27:26.760 who are we against here 0.93

02:27:28.660 well that can be confused but we know 0.95

02:27:30.700 who the hero is the hero is the exact same fucking caveman the exact same person who isn't connected 0.99

02:27:39.020 to anything they wander through these movies like they're in a fucking dream they wander through 0.98

02:27:43.740 them as if they are almost inhuman because anyone who has humanity in this movie it's seen as a 0.97

02:27:49.640 compromise there's even characters within the menu who are fine enough characters who don't deserve

02:27:55.080 to die one character i think she's hispanic he says she deserves to die because she's the assistant

02:28:01.740 of um john leguizamo's character who's good to see john leguizamo in anything let me just say 0.97

02:28:08.340 that i'm happy to see you salute but you know he's playing a shitty actor guy and it's his assistant 0.52

02:28:15.220 and there's a scene where he says she deserves to die because she went to school and doesn't 0.88

02:28:21.240 have student loans and it's kind of played off as a joke but it's like anyone there who has like a 0.98

02:28:26.340 single kind of a little bit of wiggle room to become a person must die but not ann taylor joy

02:28:31.480 who literally isn't the character the heroes are not characters in these movies because

02:28:36.700 they are the deracinated atomized caveman and they're only there like in this book to be a 0.98

02:28:45.180 a dagger against this thing this vague thing called inequality and this fucking book is written with 0.99

02:28:52.560 about as much competence as the menu and glass onion and triangle sadness or whatever fucking 1.00

02:28:58.280 horseshit script these fucking petite bourgeoisie baggots cook up because they they have a bone to 1.00

02:29:06.480 pick with influencers that that the class they just they think class must be taken down they 1.00

02:29:12.160 don't see themselves within it like but they know who the hero is they know how how low resolution

02:29:20.660 the the noble savage must be to act as the figurehead as the dagger to attack this system

02:29:29.540 which they barely understand now am i reaching there or am i just trying to find some synergy

02:29:36.280 where there isn't any or what do you think about anything i just said

02:29:39.020 i don't know the foundations are are shaky enough that i don't know

02:29:48.060 how much of it i would even bother with i don't know all right so that's that's a good place to 0.77

02:29:55.880 end as any i just wanted to yell about russo for a minute what a gay he was it's very it's not good

02:30:04.040 and there might be other russo books out there i know a lot of people who read russo they were 0.67

02:30:07.900 forced to read it in school and they're like yeah it's but i was i was shocked by like how poorly

02:30:14.240 thought out it was you know i mean like you would need it but i guess like if you start with this

02:30:20.440 maybe you can build on this and build more a more advanced theory of decentralization but to be

02:30:26.420 honest i guess this is the point i'm getting to i have not seen really much anarchist thought that

02:30:31.840 has expanded past this this is actually the most coherent and detailed overview of what

02:30:39.120 arguably could be called anarchist theory that i've ever read because we've covered other anarchist

02:30:43.660 books on the show um and they don't really have a lot there but this at least he's trying to

02:30:48.440 create a alternate history at least or really think through it and i don't agree with it but

02:30:54.340 i'm like this is better than other stuff i've read which means that most other stuff really is

02:30:59.600 that bad yeah that is a damn shame yeah and then and then you see that this is what is acceptable 0.97

02:31:05.900 in hollywood this is the sort of fucking echoes of that you see in the petite bourgeoisie railing 0.98

02:31:14.160 against anyway i won't go through that again anyway i will let you go we've been at this 0.93

02:31:19.120 for a while now yeah no worries good one all right i'll talk to you soon see ya

02:31:23.940 i am here with a very esteemed guest everybody uh you've probably seen him around he was just

02:31:46.220 a millennial he's been popping up on a lot of people's shows pretty popular content creator

02:31:51.200 as far as I'm concerned, named the Woodlander.

02:31:54.160 And Woodlander can be found on YouTube,

02:31:56.460 who I believe just celebrated his 10,000th subscriber to there,

02:32:01.780 which is a very, very big milestone.

02:32:03.560 You can also find him on Telegram at t.me slash t underscore Woodlander.

02:32:11.880 It's been a very, very big year for this gentleman.

02:32:14.900 I've seen his name everywhere.

02:32:16.400 Everyone's got a lot of questions because what I know him for,

02:32:19.600 And I'm going to let him describe himself in a second. What I know him for is being a homesteader, going and living off the grid, building his own house in the woods. Like everyone in our scene talks about everyone has the dream of doing it. This guy's done it. And he's actually helped a lot of other people to do it as well. I'm going to talk to him a bit today. I'm really going to annoy him with a bunch of what might sound like pretty basic questions, but I'm a pretty basic guy.

02:32:44.580 So I'm going to say thank you very much, Mr. Woodland, for taking the time to speak with me today.

02:32:50.940 It's my pleasure. What a fantastic introduction. Thank you very much.

02:32:57.640 Yeah, I mean, what I've what I've done here and I'm in the UK and I'm going to presume a lot of the listeners are going to be from from the States on this.

02:33:09.120 isn't done that often, or it wasn't done that often.

02:33:16.740 And I think what's happened over the last three years

02:33:20.520 has actually woken up a lot of people to how negative

02:33:26.140 and controlling the system can be.

02:33:30.740 And there is certainly more and more people looking at this way of living

02:33:36.200 and asking questions, how it can be done,

02:33:40.900 what do you need to do, and that's great.

02:33:45.900 And we can get into two areas, really.

02:33:49.620 One is the why would you do this, which is always interesting,

02:33:55.520 and the other one, which is how.

02:33:59.160 How do you do this?

02:34:00.620 and both of those subjects lead down to quite interesting conversations but it's been it's been

02:34:09.860 a very very encouraging year for me to see so many people starting to look at this and starting to

02:34:17.860 see that it's viable um completely doable for normal people to build their own place to own

02:34:28.020 a little piece of land something that a lot of people think is outside of their their means but

02:34:34.120 there are ways of doing it and it's becoming popular which is good yeah you made a very good

02:34:40.320 point there about normal people doing it because you know i obviously don't want to dox you but

02:34:45.880 you are a married man a man who has had children um and you moved off grid with your wife and you're

02:34:53.460 you're not you're not old but you're you're getting like myself i'm in my 30s you're a bit

02:34:57.600 older than that whereas the people who talk about this sort of thing are typically young guys and

02:35:03.240 they think they got to have sort of a warrior mindset to do and if you look at a lot of the

02:35:07.580 youtube videos for people who are into building their houses a lot of times it's young guys and

02:35:11.340 i was very interested in how something like this can be done by just not young single guys like

02:35:17.980 how you would get move a family there how you would move your wife there because i don't know

02:35:22.280 people know a thing or two about a thing or two about having a wife it can be kind of difficult

02:35:27.560 to get your wife to go along with things i found that story so fascinating yeah i mean i mean first

02:35:35.460 of all comes the decision to do this and for me it was a it was a logical next step i mean i had

02:35:43.020 already i was pretty much off grid but living in a house and i don't mean power wise or off the

02:35:48.960 water grid or the electric grid i was pretty much off grid so i'd closed down my bank accounts

02:35:53.980 close to sort of 16 17 years ago so i only used cash i had no bank account so i didn't have a

02:36:00.220 store card um no i wasn't registered anywhere i was fairly gray um and was already minimizing my

02:36:09.980 interaction with what i tend to call the system which is pretty much everything um

02:36:17.480 so i made the decision that i was going to buy some land um build a house keep some animals

02:36:26.840 and go off grid now the first thing to remember there is i did have a wife and at the time i had

02:36:34.080 two kids at home as well so whatever i built had to be enough for a family of four and i'd never

02:36:41.040 built i'll be honest with you until i started building this place i'd never even put a shelf up

02:36:46.240 I had zero building experience, none.

02:36:51.520 And everything I did here, I learned literally from watching videos on YouTube

02:36:57.260 and speaking to people I knew who were builders or, you know, construction workers or engineers

02:37:05.460 and literally saying, this is my idea, would this work?

02:37:11.820 And it was fairly simple, I've got to say.

02:37:15.080 i mean i'm no genius by any means but i mean to build the cabin was um i literally looked at a

02:37:24.300 video on youtube of how to build a large shed and then i upscaled i literally just upscaled it from

02:37:31.460 there so where they were using sort of two by two batons i was using three by three um posts and i

02:37:39.180 just just made things bigger and it and it worked and kind of different parts along the way I would

02:37:47.840 go to speak to people and say look this is what I've done will it fall over and they were saying

02:37:52.880 no that looks perfectly well if you've done that and you've braced it here you shouldn't have a

02:37:57.820 problem and I just carried on so I think for me the important thing was to start

02:38:03.700 the interesting thing was when when i bought the land and it took me a year to find the place

02:38:11.600 and that was quite an interesting part of it so for a year me and my wife just drove around every

02:38:19.300 weekend and evenings after work during the summer we would go to all these different places that

02:38:25.460 were for sale these different plots of land and i didn't have the money to buy any at the time i

02:38:30.620 was still saving. So I had no, I wasn't going to borrow money. I was going to save whatever money

02:38:36.480 I could. So we had no holidays. We didn't go out to eat. We didn't have takeaways. And every bit

02:38:42.320 of money I could, I just put in a bag at the end of my bed. So I figured I could probably get

02:38:48.140 somewhere for £10,000. I could probably get an acre. So we were driving around for a year,

02:38:56.400 looking at all these places and about about 12 months later we found the plot we were on now

02:39:02.380 and my wife loved it and it was a little plot of woodland to two and a half acres

02:39:10.160 and she actually fell in love with it the minute we got here i on the other hand was looking at it

02:39:18.440 as i had no forestry experience and there were trees everywhere and how on earth was i going

02:39:25.540 to build a cabin like in like in amongst these trees so for me it was it was it was it was kind

02:39:33.360 of different from I was thinking more of like a hidden away field somewhere which was flat

02:39:38.480 this place is far from flat and there's a lot of obstacles everywhere but I kind of loved the

02:39:45.760 the place. It was a beautiful piece of woodland. And after saving for a year, I was still

02:39:54.760 £5,000 short of the asking price. So I spoke with my wife's father and he agreed to lend me

02:40:06.420 the £5,000. So I bought the place. And my wife was ecstatic and we started putting up pens for

02:40:15.440 the chickens we had chickens at home in the back garden and we were building pens and she ran off

02:40:21.080 and then bought a hundred more and then some turkeys and so and and that was kind of she was

02:40:26.560 really really happy with that and the dogs loved it up here and she's very much an animal person

02:40:32.160 she was in her element up the top end of the woods with the chickens and the turkeys and the ducks and

02:40:38.440 the dogs and i started building in about the middle of the woodland so we would come up here

02:40:45.720 every day every evening and every weekend and she'd play around with the animals and i would

02:40:50.020 be down here hammering away with lumps of wood and uh she would come down from time to time and

02:40:57.960 sort of say oh you're getting on well and the truth of it was she never ever thought that this

02:41:06.780 would come to fruition but she was quite happy that i had a hobby that kept me out of her hair

02:41:13.780 and uh and a nice piece of land where she could have all the animals and play and play farmer

02:41:21.760 which was which was fine for me as well uh and she didn't really believe it until the day and

02:41:29.800 I mean, this thing sort of flew up the externals.

02:41:34.880 The roof got on and then I started doing the inside

02:41:38.240 and she would come down here and, you know,

02:41:41.060 would sit in here and sort of laugh and joke

02:41:43.280 and have cups of coffee and that.

02:41:45.500 And then the day arrived where I brought her down

02:41:48.040 and I said, right, this is the area. 1.00

02:41:50.600 I need you to pick a kitchen.

02:41:54.360 And then it kind of sunk into her that I had built a house.

02:41:58.120 i had actually built a four-bedroomed two thousand square foot home and she was being asked to furnish

02:42:08.260 it then it really sank home and then she she kind of got excited about it and got much more involved

02:42:16.320 and i it's kind of a male female thing i you know i was more involved with like the building of this

02:42:25.640 place and getting it here and and here it is and then the internals what the kitchen looked like

02:42:33.620 what sort of bath we were going to have was really of no no consequence to me i'd done the building

02:42:41.480 i'd got that up and she got to work picking baths and tiles and colors and you know kitchens and

02:42:49.580 and whatnot. And, and we worked together on it from that point on. And yeah, I mean, it was,

02:42:55.480 uh, it was, it was pretty good. It was something we could do together.

02:43:02.380 That's a very touching story, by the way, because I think that's what I liked the most about it is,

02:43:07.080 is the excitement you get from people who kind of, you know, you know, I always say this,

02:43:12.420 you know, women are very good at this is they're, they're very wary of their husband's hair brain 0.83

02:43:17.020 schemes for good reason i have a lot of harebrained schemes i have a lot of crazy things like we

02:43:21.580 should do this but then once it becomes real it's not just some something floating in my mind then

02:43:28.140 they can say oh well he this is serious now i'm that now i'm part of this you know yeah exactly

02:43:34.040 and i think it's a very male thing is to is to bring things from idea into reality once you've

02:43:41.620 done that then your wife or your partner will get on board and and they will back you 100 but they

02:43:49.140 need to see this isn't a pipe dream it's not just a little hobby and also another thing just to bring

02:43:58.020 this up is i've noticed and you might find this amusing that raising chickens it has been very

02:44:03.720 very popular with a lot of people i know even living in a urban or suburban areas and my wife

02:44:09.200 i had a co-worker a woman who had kids and everything proper mother but she there's these

02:44:15.040 companies that will like rent you chicken so you pay a fee and they will come in give you five

02:44:21.480 chickens set up a coop it's like an out-of-the-box thing and people can just kind of play around

02:44:26.000 chickens and then they name them and then they give personalities to them and shit but it's like

02:44:30.980 this is a business people are running too yeah yeah i mean i mean

02:44:35.500 when my wife first got chickens for the back garden and we had like a three-bedroom semi

02:44:43.940 like most people in suburbia and we had chickens in the back garden you get used to them really

02:44:52.860 quickly and they do have personalities which is which is incredible i mean we've had a number of

02:44:57.360 that have lived in the house because they've been ill for one reason or another and you bring them

02:45:02.820 in and you get them better and then they get quite used to just pottering around the house

02:45:07.600 and for me it's always hilarious we got like seven dogs here and the dogs just like avoid the chicken

02:45:14.740 that's walking around eating their dog food and yeah it's uh it's it's it's just it's but for me

02:45:23.060 it's a really i mean like i mentioned before we started that i've been doing this for a number of

02:45:30.200 years now and it it's a really good way of living it really it's so markedly different from um

02:45:39.800 normality i'm much more in tune with reality which is nature and life as it should be that

02:45:52.380 I kind of now understand that there are things I have to do.

02:45:56.940 It's not convenient living this way.

02:45:59.860 I need to put myself out.

02:46:01.880 But the reward for that is so much greater.

02:46:05.820 It really is.

02:46:06.860 And I've spoken a number of times about the fact that I will have to chop down a tree, which I've learned to do.

02:46:14.420 And then I will have to cut that up into rounds with a chainsaw.

02:46:20.440 and then i'll have to split those down into logs and then stack those logs for 12 months at least

02:46:28.980 so that they season and dry and then i can burn that on on the log burner which heats the cabin

02:46:35.920 um so delayed gratification is something you learn rapidly um instead of just switching a

02:46:45.200 dial to get heat it's a it's a 12-month process and a lot of people i know that have been up here

02:46:52.460 um are quite amazed with the with the cabin and and its surroundings and you know i'd love to

02:47:00.160 live like this but what they can't get their head around is the fact that you actually have to put

02:47:07.660 yourself out. They're far too wedded to convenience and instant gratification

02:47:15.200 that to live like this would actually be a big wrench for many people. Now, I was lucky

02:47:26.900 that my wife actually took to this and has even rode the problems that you will come across.

02:47:36.440 I mean, for anyone who lives like this will tell you that, you know, water will freeze when it's too cold and you won't have any running water and things will fall down and you'll get a leak.

02:47:48.460 And because you've built it yourself and, you know, there's mud to contend with because you're in the middle of the woods or in the middle of a field.

02:47:57.960 And that's not how most people live.

02:48:01.500 And you need to understand that the payoff is worth it.

02:48:05.480 another funny thing that i have found is you know as i get older and maybe not everyone is like this

02:48:11.600 i think you're like this where i just i felt very hollow and dirty if i'm just renting if i know that

02:48:18.320 i'm gonna be the idea of like being in my 50s and 60s and still just renting this like we rent a

02:48:25.120 house so we know that if the owner wanted to sell it we would just like we could be out by you know

02:48:31.740 the month you know we wouldn't have anything and it felt very especially about family feels very

02:48:36.260 very precarious um and so the idea of just having land and having something a space you can count on

02:48:43.600 i think will free a lot of people from the sort of malaise that they're stuck in like really having

02:48:50.160 something that you can kind of grow grow into in a sense but also sorry continue sorry i've come to

02:48:56.720 the same conclusion but even and people say this to me a lot that they're a homeowner and i was a

02:49:05.180 homeowner you know we had a mortgage and and that's not owning the the bank owns your home

02:49:12.280 and what and will take it off you rapidly if you don't pay the money but every month

02:49:19.840 exactly the same as rent if you stop paying your rent your landlord will have you out of there

02:49:25.440 within two months and the bank it might take them a little longer might take them six months but if

02:49:31.580 you stop paying your mortgage for whatever reason if you lose your job the bank will take your house

02:49:36.960 or will take the house back off of you because until you make that final payment in 25 to 30

02:49:44.980 years time the bank owns that house and I was very very aware of that I'd been through situations

02:49:52.900 when i was younger in the 1980s in the uk we had a a property crash and a property boom

02:50:01.400 um and i remember my my first house was repossessed because it became unviable to to pay

02:50:11.980 to pay for it any longer and i just flatly refused so i bought it for 24 000 pounds it was a little

02:50:20.540 one-bedroom place. I split up with my partner, but there was a property boom going on at the

02:50:28.300 time. So, 12 months later, it was worth double. It was worth 45. So, I could borrow money against

02:50:35.460 the equity, which I did and paid her half of what we paid for it, paid her 12,000. So, I ended up

02:50:41.240 with a 36,000-pound mortgage on a house worth 45. The following year, we had a property crash in the

02:50:49.680 uk and the place was valued at nine thousand pounds oh no so here i am paying a mortgage of

02:50:58.940 36 000 on a property that's worth nine yeah you're never going to get out from underneath that that's

02:51:07.940 just a doomed position yeah and i mean it wasn't just me so many people and the interest rates were

02:51:15.420 rising as well. So your mortgage payments were going through the roof on a property that you

02:51:20.780 not only had no equity in, but you were in a negative equity position. And thousands and

02:51:27.140 thousands of people just have their homes repossessed by the banks. It was quite a scary

02:51:34.600 situation for a lot of people, especially people with families. I didn't have children at the time,

02:51:38.500 um thankfully and i was kind of young and was able to think on the ball and

02:51:45.520 i got another mortgage even though i'd had a house repossessed

02:51:50.100 um and bought a much bigger place for less than less than i bought this one bedroom one for

02:51:58.720 so i actually did okay in it but i was very aware that even if you called yourself a homeowner

02:52:07.060 the banks owned that building until you would finish paying for it and would take it off of you

02:52:15.200 if if they if they wish to so and that's very much the case now too especially where i am because i'm

02:52:22.480 in canada and i'm in ontario and if anyone wants to look this up the property value where in the

02:52:28.940 province where i live specifically is astronomical it's preposterous so you've got people some of

02:52:35.280 these houses on a, even at an inflated price would be $250,000. Now townhouses going for 600,

02:52:41.820 $700,000. They are not like the house I'm in right now. It's probably built at maybe a bit

02:52:48.960 worse than the place you're living in right now. Like I know this place was, they threw it up

02:52:52.640 cheap. Right. But I'm still, people still paying $700,000 for it. I'm like, this is not a tenable

02:52:58.340 position. Everyone kind of knows that, but no one knows what to do about it. So that's kind of where

02:53:03.040 i was at where me and my wife we don't really see the prices going down any of the future so even

02:53:07.680 from a financial perspective we're like is it actually more economical to buy land and build

02:53:14.240 a house and even even if you get contractors you know that might be what people are looking at right

02:53:19.260 now i mean from a financial point of view it's um it's so doable i mean if i was to go and buy

02:53:30.680 and i've actually had this place valued i've had several friends that work in estate agents and you

02:53:36.740 know buying selling properties and whatever and that they value properties and i've had them value

02:53:42.540 this place and the highest value that i've had put on it is 400 000 pounds which is you know

02:53:50.260 shy of half a million but they they've literally said what you've got is a a four-bedroom home

02:53:57.840 And it's done to a pretty good standard, I've got to say, which is nearly twice the size of a four-bedroom new build that they would build today.

02:54:13.160 In two acres of private woodland with access, so you can just drive straight into the land.

02:54:19.680 if somebody wants to that's what they want and it's off grid and it's working it's not like it

02:54:28.260 doesn't work it the solar powers the electric and the water system i've built works i've got a

02:54:35.040 little bit of tweaking to do make sure it doesn't freeze in the really cold weather um they said

02:54:41.140 yeah up to 400 000 but i mean even if i was to get half of that let's say 200 000

02:54:48.120 the land and the build cost me around 45

02:54:55.160 now if you were a way worse person you could say like i'm just going to do this forever i'm going

02:55:02.140 to be a woods flipper but you're not going to do that i'm sure you could i mean it's strange it's

02:55:09.660 different in the uk than it is in the states so i mean i had to go a sort of convoluted route

02:55:14.600 to get this place here because there are planning regulations

02:55:19.920 and planning rules.

02:55:22.100 If I'd applied for planning permission to build here,

02:55:26.420 they would have just said, no, I would never have got it.

02:55:30.100 But there is, and it's still here at the moment,

02:55:33.240 there is a rule in British law which says that if you build a home

02:55:38.380 and live in it for four years and nobody's asked you

02:55:43.200 to stop working on it or take it down or and when they say anyone that what they actually mean is

02:55:48.400 the council but they it says anyone um so you've not been asked to not do that or take take it down

02:55:56.000 within four years then the property then becomes legal and there's nothing they can do about it

02:56:04.160 after that it's beyond their remit after four years which was a good reason for building

02:56:12.480 in woodland because if i could stand in the middle of the woods here and not see my boundary

02:56:19.760 that meant that nobody could see me and if they can't see what's here because it's surrounded by

02:56:28.320 trees then there was very little chance of anyone knowing i was here i mean i didn't actually keep

02:56:35.680 it a secret everyone who knew me knew what i was doing um but yeah i mean that's a very good point

02:56:44.860 by the way because just started to interrupt you but i remember i was listening to you

02:56:48.120 on a stream with another gentleman uh his name escapes me but i know his name was bjorn and i

02:56:54.960 know this because he was selling a hat that said bjorn to be wild and that's what stuck in my head

02:57:00.000 but uh you would address something that's very relevant i think to canadians because we have

02:57:05.140 a similar system called crown land where and i think we probably do it a bit differently in the

02:57:10.820 uk but we're essentially the same sort of system as the uk yeah but and you had said that some

02:57:16.160 people had come to you and said oh you'll never really own the land especially with crown land

02:57:20.340 and you had said that's all bullshit i was wondering if you had any time to speak on that as

02:57:25.080 well yeah i mean i did have people saying that you know nobody in the whole of the uk owns land 0.98

02:57:32.580 it all belongs to uh the crown and if you delve right into it and it's a huge rabbit hole and

02:57:39.360 actually quite convoluted and quite complicated it turns out they could be right

02:57:46.520 but i've got to be honest stuff like that which is archaic law and regulations and it would take

02:57:56.000 you know a queen's sheriff to come to the land and knock four times with a staff on the door

02:58:02.020 and i was like oh man this is just this isn't going to happen is it something they could do

02:58:06.860 i'll be honest if they wanted to get me off of here they could do it tomorrow they could just

02:58:12.240 put in a compulsory purchase order it's that simple and it's true that in america they can

02:58:19.020 do it too they can just show up and burn you down if they wanted to yeah i mean so i i'm

02:58:24.700 But as much as I foothooed it, I did look into it,

02:58:28.280 and there's a possibility that they're right.

02:58:33.540 In the end, everything in this country belongs to the Queen

02:58:36.780 or to the royal family.

02:58:39.320 Am I worried about that? No.

02:58:41.240 I mean, because in reality, I mean, you know as well as I do,

02:58:45.480 if you buy your house, you've paid it off, you know,

02:58:48.340 you're mortgage-free, it's your land, it's your house,

02:58:51.400 and they're not going to, you know, send the Queen Sheriff around,

02:58:55.620 you know, dressed in ermine, knocking on the door

02:58:58.820 because you said something spicy on YouTube.

02:59:05.060 What could happen is they can make your life difficult,

02:59:08.540 but that's true of anyone, right?

02:59:11.040 So I wasn't really bothered about that.

02:59:16.660 What I was bothered about is I didn't borrow money to do this.

02:59:21.400 I didn't have anything when I first started.

02:59:24.240 Like I said, I saved for 12 months and came up short at the end of it,

02:59:30.080 but borrowed five and then took the next year paying that five back.

02:59:34.540 And then anything I had left at the end of a week, I bought timber.

02:59:41.240 I just went down the timber yard and started buying timber and started the build.

02:59:47.000 And it was usually a weekly thing.

02:59:50.680 I would go down and I'd buy 150 lengths of timber, and then I would start putting a framework

02:59:57.160 together, and I finished it off the next week.

03:00:00.000 And so I didn't borrow money.

03:00:01.900 I just did it on what I didn't spend.

03:00:06.860 So I was lucky insofar as I was in a position where I was self-employed, I was earning quite

03:00:13.640 good money, and I did have something left at the end of it, at the end of a week.

03:00:20.680 After paying normal sort of living expenses, I did have something left.

03:00:25.460 What I would say is I've been contacted by lots and lots of people who would really like

03:00:31.920 to do this sort of thing, but don't have any savings and no way of saving because the cost

03:00:41.720 of living at the moment means that after working 40 hours a week, they have nothing left at

03:00:49.640 the end of it.

03:00:50.680 and that is a problem and i've i've had to speak bluntly to some of these people who are lovely

03:00:59.980 people and say listen if you're in a position where you cannot put aside even 10 pounds at the

03:01:09.520 end of a week you need to look at changing the position you're in at the moment first

03:01:15.060 you had made a good point on the show where you said people will always live right to the limit

03:01:21.580 of whatever they have so in a sense you have to break that part of your mind or your personality

03:01:26.840 that says if i get a thousand dollars a week let's say i'm going to be spending that a thousand

03:01:32.480 dollars you know you almost have to just recorrect your mind to be able to save period yeah i mean

03:01:39.240 I mean, I was guilty of this as well.

03:01:41.700 I mean, the thing is, if you earn £500 a week,

03:01:45.560 your outgoings will rapidly be £500 a week

03:01:49.820 because people live up to their means.

03:01:52.700 And a lot of the time, people live over their means.

03:01:57.700 I've lost track of the amount of people that I know

03:02:01.460 have got champagne lifestyles on beer money,

03:02:04.680 but it's all credit.

03:02:07.040 It's all credit.

03:02:08.000 and they put it on the credit card and then they spend, you know,

03:02:11.520 the reason they've got no money is because they've got five credit cards

03:02:14.860 and half of their money goes on paying the minimum amount.

03:02:17.820 So the amount rarely decreases on paying these credit cards back

03:02:23.180 and then trying to, you know, get by on half a wage.

03:02:27.240 So I would, you know, I've had to say to people, listen, you know,

03:02:31.020 it is possible, you can do this, but first you need to change your mental outlook

03:02:36.900 And you need to come to grips with the fact that living the way you're living at the moment is not going to put you in a position where you're able to ever, ever move forward in any direction unless you change.

03:02:48.960 So get rid of your credit cards and tighten your belt or change what you're doing.

03:02:56.220 If you're employed for someone and you're an electrician and you're earning no money and you're not being paid enough, look at going self-employed.

03:03:03.780 all of these are major steps but you know young men these days need to need to get a grip of

03:03:11.220 things because if you're beholden to someone else um for anything you're going to be taken

03:03:18.440 advantage of i found this got easier as i got older because in my 20s you know i was smoking

03:03:24.460 way more cigarettes i don't smoke anymore drinking all the time i don't drink anymore

03:03:28.340 And I found once I cut those two things out in my life, all of a sudden, my finances started to make sense, you know.

03:03:35.700 But especially, you know, I think there's a lot of 20-year-old guys who could figure it out.

03:03:40.400 But once I found that even in our lives with my wife, once we started doing stuff like meal prep, cooking more at home, you actually do feel better.

03:03:50.120 You feel the sense of having more discipline and control over your life really will correct so many other things in your life.

03:03:58.400 And you realize that all the stuff I was spending money on also made me feel bad physically, mentally, you know, stuff like that.

03:04:06.080 I mean, when I say I've had to, you know, be blunt and point out the blatantly obvious to some people when they say, you know, I can't do that.

03:04:15.800 I've got no money at the end of a month.

03:04:18.720 if you actually sit down and work out their outgoings and what they're spending the money on

03:04:24.520 you even they're surprised at the you know well you know i only go out once a week and i only

03:04:30.960 spend 50 pounds which isn't a lot you know on a night out with the lads um you know all right i

03:04:38.320 buy uh you know dinner every day because i'm out working i've got to buy lunch and you say well

03:04:44.360 you know if you were to make sandwiches and take those and if you were to actually say

03:04:49.440 three three nights out i'll go out once a month instead of every week um suddenly you've got 150

03:04:57.820 quid 150 pounds left at the end of the month and that's just on cutting down the amount you're

03:05:02.800 spending on alcohol on a night out in a week and making sandwiches instead of going to the chip

03:05:08.140 shop or buying a pizza at lunchtime i do that i know and so do i but the thing is people get into

03:05:17.340 a rut and uh they think that that's that's just normal and it may be normal but if you want to

03:05:23.980 change your life you're even in a position now where you can do it or if you want to be in that

03:05:29.980 position and you're not you need to change something it doesn't matter what it is but

03:05:34.580 you need to change something if you're not in a position to do it and if i have another piece of

03:05:40.880 advice to give people and you had said something on that i believe it was that streamer is either

03:05:45.440 that or it might have been with a millennial loves but you were talking about how um you're

03:05:51.280 not really afraid of failing you were talking about starting your own small businesses and

03:05:55.640 then one failed and another failed you kept doing it until it succeeded same thing with the house

03:06:00.200 You just kept at it and trying to learn until you succeeded.

03:06:03.860 And if there's one piece of advice I give to people come to me all the time and ask

03:06:06.900 questions, I'm like, once you're not afraid, it's easy to not be afraid of failure if you

03:06:11.480 have a goal.

03:06:12.320 And then you learn fast through failure more than through study.

03:06:17.500 So when I talk to like 20 year olds or whatever, maybe even younger than that, I'm like, you're

03:06:22.460 at the perfect window of time where failures aren't going to hurt that much.

03:06:26.920 So like, I would encourage you to fail now.

03:06:29.340 now's the time to try right yeah i mean i i mean i i was lucky in so far as my father was um

03:06:38.620 self-employed and kind of sat me down at an early age and pointed out the you know the blatantly

03:06:44.300 obvious which is if you're working for someone else they're getting you know quite a lot of the

03:06:51.260 money that should be going to you and that's rightly so because it's their business and they

03:06:57.980 took the risks to start it but you need to realize that if you want to earn proper money and be in

03:07:03.620 control of how much you earn and how often you work and the hours you work then it needs to be

03:07:09.960 your business so I was self-employed from quite an early age and the first the weird thing is I

03:07:17.880 wouldn't even say that the business has failed it was that I would start a business and I would get

03:07:24.220 it up to a certain level and because i was young i'd get bored i would i would become bored with

03:07:30.800 what i was doing and want to do something else that could probably lead on to something better

03:07:36.260 or bigger so i would you know walk away from a business that was working perfectly well to be

03:07:41.920 honest and start another one and you know some failed some i would go into think this is a

03:07:48.180 brilliant idea and i'd start it up and i you know i'd rent a little office and i'd start doing stuff

03:07:52.560 and six months later and I'm earning no money

03:07:55.640 and I think, well, I could even go back to what I was doing before.

03:07:58.520 I can come up with another idea.

03:07:59.980 So I would come up with something and start something else

03:08:03.460 and it didn't matter.

03:08:06.300 You're quite right.

03:08:07.020 When you're young, when you're in your late teens, early 20s,

03:08:10.480 if something doesn't work out, it's not that important.

03:08:15.480 There's always something else you can do.

03:08:17.580 If you're in your late 40s and you've got a family and kids

03:08:21.880 it's a it's a bigger decision to take yeah i say take advantage of being 20 and feeling

03:08:30.400 invincible if you can um and and another thing is uh just to your point because you had mentioned

03:08:35.980 seeking out knowledge this is something i know we're kind of in an advice section of the thing

03:08:40.060 but i find this stuff interesting because um you know when i got into shooting guns so i shoot trap

03:08:46.960 and skied shotgun stuff did not run in my family at all no one in my family owns guns and I was

03:08:53.340 just the first guy I had no practical knowledge I wasn't raised in it so as a grown man I starting

03:08:59.340 anything as a grown man it's kind of weird because you're afraid that oh I'm going to be made fun of

03:09:03.740 I'm going to do it wrong but you'll find and maybe this is your experience but you'll find that once

03:09:08.740 you start talking to people who are experts at this they're very very nice and encouraging like

03:09:14.500 you just walking down to you know buy some lumber talk to a construction guy i bet that was a pretty

03:09:20.640 you know friendly okay experience wasn't it it wasn't scary i mean this is something else i

03:09:27.460 learned really uh really early on again from from my dad who uh who who taught me this because of

03:09:36.220 some of the people i was hanging around with at the time and he was trying to dissuade me from

03:09:42.560 this but but the lesson stuck and what he said was you're gonna find that you will become like

03:09:51.140 the people you spend time with and the people you hang around with and he said if you're gonna

03:09:58.380 hang around with deadbeats and you know people who don't earn a lot of money and you have gone

03:10:05.520 nowhere in life kind of guess where you're going to end up and he said if you hang around with

03:10:12.540 smart people that are going places, that own their own business, you're going to find the

03:10:19.340 opportunities present themselves much more readily. And in the end, you're going to become

03:10:25.040 like the people you hang around with and the people you're getting advice from. I kind of

03:10:30.700 thought, yeah, it makes sense. You know, if you want to be a good bank robber, go and hang around

03:10:36.480 with bank robbers because they've done it. They know what they're talking about. And if you want

03:10:40.420 to be a good construction worker go and hang around with the best construction workers because

03:10:45.460 do you know what they'll give you the best advice and they know what they're talking about and if

03:10:51.040 you want to know how to build a cabin in the woods your best bet go and talk to someone who's built

03:10:56.820 a cabin in the woods and lots of land and that makes sense do you know what i mean talk to the

03:11:02.580 people that have done it yeah and there'll be a bit of a learning curve because my friend um my

03:11:08.380 co-host who couldn't be here he's at work right now but he's a tradesman and he was telling me a

03:11:12.240 funny story that um you know he had to buy new tools and then he's gone on the shop floor and

03:11:18.500 everyone i didn't know this because i'm not in in carpentry or anything but they make fun of you if

03:11:23.020 you're too if your tools look too new so they're like yeah so it's actually better to have shitty

03:11:28.420 old looking tools but uh yeah they'll make fun of you for a minute if you just show up like me at 0.98

03:11:33.040 a shotgun range i showed up i'm like i don't know what this is i don't i look like an idiot it's 0.77

03:11:38.660 going to be a learning curve but in a sense you kind of become addicted to learning curves at 0.92

03:11:43.660 certain point i'm at an age where i know if there's a steep learning curve that means i'm

03:11:48.000 going to learn a lot very very fast and that sensation becomes exciting at a certain point

03:11:55.780 that's me at least yeah no i'm not i'm exactly the same um and when i say i had no construction

03:12:03.560 knowledge at all when i built this place that's absolutely right i kind of amazed myself as i as

03:12:10.260 i went on and every stage of the build when the framework went up and that went up within

03:12:16.400 seven days i had the whole framework for this place put up in a week

03:12:19.760 and it didn't fall over and i was literally like amazed that that i'd done this and uh and and then

03:12:30.280 the roof beams went on and then the roof went on and it didn't blow off and it was fixed on right

03:12:37.460 and i had to learn how to do all this stuff

03:12:40.940 and it it was it's it not only is it an achievement right but it does enough make you feel good when

03:12:49.740 you've learned something put it into practice and it works so yeah good advice from the from people

03:12:55.800 who have done it um a little bit of practical assistance when needed or and anything's

03:13:06.140 possible do i mean you can do you can do pretty much anything you want if you put your mind to

03:13:11.400 it and you've got the right advice you know there's one thing i wanted to get into and perhaps

03:13:16.860 We should have got to this earlier, but I am interested in, I don't think we discussed this, sort of the reason you decided to go off-grid.

03:13:26.420 You seem to have lived a pretty successful life prior to going off-grid, so it's not like you were necessarily chased there.

03:13:31.780 Was there any political or any strong reason that kind of drove you to this?

03:13:38.560 Yeah, I mean, I was political for most of my life from the age of 12.

03:13:46.860 so i started very very young and i was red-pilled on race before politics

03:13:55.340 um i had runnings with um a gang of black youths on a regular basis um

03:14:05.820 i'm mike again down to my dad who had taught me how to stick up for myself when i was

03:14:12.220 very young um and always taught me you know you you don't run from someone a bully right stand

03:14:20.620 your ground because then they'll eventually they'll just leave you alone because you're too

03:14:25.800 much hard work they'll move on to someone else and that was a lesson that was true and stood with me 1.00

03:14:33.100 and when this gang of colored youths were uh extorting money really and they took money off 0.98

03:14:39.920 of all the other kids and they would come round to me and said you know have you got money and 1.00

03:14:44.760 I'd say yes and they say right we want some and I'd say no and I would get a punch in the ear or

03:14:51.140 punch in the lip and I'd come home every Saturday and my dad would say you know what's happened to 1.00

03:14:56.520 you and I'd say oh just running with the colored kids or whatever and in the end he got fed up with 0.70

03:15:02.080 it dragged me down the police station which I didn't want to do because he'd also taught me 0.57

03:15:06.880 not to be a grass but he said no this has gone on far enough um so he went to the police station

03:15:13.200 and the police refused to do anything because they were black and he kind of lost his temper

03:15:20.740 um and we ended up with the race relations officer in our house uh talking to my father

03:15:28.480 and me when i was 12 and the race relations officer basically said listen um this is just

03:15:36.920 after the first sort of race riots in the uk in the early 80s if we start sort of cracking down

03:15:45.200 on these young colored kids we stand the chance of you know riots kicking off in in the town or

03:15:53.160 whatever and we don't want that to happen so there is a softly softly approach maybe i could you know

03:15:58.260 i might be able to have a word with their parents but maybe it'd be best if your boy just avoids

03:16:03.920 them and my dad promptly threw him out of the house um shouting about mob rule and uh

03:16:14.120 yeah and everything he was furious he was absolutely furious i'm a bit furious right

03:16:20.180 now just listening to it i'm just i gotta mute myself so people can't hear me seething right now

03:16:24.920 So, and I was kind of left in a position at 12 years old where I was like, well, this is, you know, something's wrong here.

03:16:36.340 But there was no one really talking about it politically-wise.

03:16:40.300 There was no, you know, the mainstream parties weren't really discussing this.

03:16:44.420 And the only people that were were the right-wing parties of the day.

03:16:49.880 So, back in the sort of very early 80s, it would have been the National Front.

03:16:53.540 And they had a paper and I eventually got around to reading that and was given that by, you know, one of the older kids.

03:17:01.680 And that's how I got involved with right wing politics.

03:17:05.400 And that took up a fair chunk of my early sort of teenage into my 20s life.

03:17:12.440 but after being involved with group and political parties and political organizations

03:17:23.360 all of these smaller right-wing parties and it's easy to get swept up in them because

03:17:30.700 you understand that what they're trying to do is right it did come become blatantly obvious that

03:17:38.880 there was no way that they were ever going to be allowed to get near the levers of power

03:17:44.900 which is quite disheartening but you do have to be a realist and look at how the system operates

03:17:52.660 how these smaller parties operate and was it really likely and i you know i get into the i

03:18:00.140 was getting into the realms of you know maybe if there was some sort of catastrophe something will

03:18:05.020 happen which will turn the people the right way and it never seemed to happen so i kind of

03:18:12.680 withdrew from small right-wing politic political parties anyway um and then when labor got in in

03:18:22.880 1997 there was i couldn't go back to the smaller parties and hope that they had any chance of

03:18:31.740 getting them out so i actually joined the conservative party and to my shame in the hope

03:18:39.580 that i could see how it operated from the inside and see if it was possible to move that party or

03:18:48.760 sections of it further to the right because i knew there was a lot of disenfranchised

03:18:53.840 hard right wingers and there is a way that that can be done at grassroots level

03:19:01.100 and i was quite sort of i was quite happy to see that the problem arises as you get up

03:19:10.480 into the higher echelons of these mainstream parties which i rapidly did i mean within three

03:19:17.900 months i ran the conservative business club i put together the young conservatives in the southwest

03:19:24.020 I slow down the Conservative European Committee.

03:19:28.520 I sat on several others.

03:19:30.160 I was taken to the House of Commons and whatever with the local MP.

03:19:35.000 I was put forward as a candidate, as a councillor.

03:19:39.280 So once you get up into the top levels where you're talking to MPs in the House of Commons,

03:19:46.800 What became obvious to me was that there's nothing between the Labour Party, the Conservative Party, the Liberal Democrats.

03:19:56.960 They were all part of exactly the same club and exactly the same segment of the system.

03:20:07.780 They did nothing but perpetuate the system.

03:20:10.680 It didn't matter which party got in.

03:20:13.780 They were still eating their meals together.

03:20:16.040 They were still laughing in the bar together.

03:20:18.440 They still went on holiday together.

03:20:21.140 And these are members of opposite parties who were screaming and shouting in front of the TV cameras across the House of Commons and then sitting down to a four-course meal and going on holiday together.

03:20:33.900 And it became obvious that there was nothing could be done from inside any political party.

03:20:41.000 The whole lot was rotten.

03:20:43.260 Well, this is fascinating.

03:20:44.060 I think you're a real good fountain of knowledge on this topic, especially because and to your credit, I don't think you should feel bad about joining the conservatives.

03:20:52.260 My memory of the conservative movement back then, and I'm not I'm just in my 30s.

03:20:58.640 So my memory might be a bit shoddy. But I remember things like what you're talking about.

03:21:02.880 More people were able to discuss them more openly.

03:21:06.520 But I think what's so fascinating is that you got early, early on that the higher up you get, maybe that's all just smoke and mirrors, which I don't think a lot of people got.

03:21:17.260 And what's interesting is I'd love to hear your opinion about what you thought when you saw the UKIP thing happening. 0.98

03:21:26.060 Were you excited or were you just like, this is the same shit? 0.99

03:21:29.820 No, I knew exactly what that was right from the beginning. 0.98

03:21:32.240 um and most people won't even remember when that started right at the beginning when it was um

03:21:39.940 god i can't remember the chap's name goldman something um uh no it was it was a pressure

03:21:50.200 release valve and that's all that was ever going to be it gave people a place to vent their

03:21:57.660 their anger and it was never going to lead to a place of power ever and i'd already seen how

03:22:07.440 how the system had dealt with the national front when a grassroots movement actually

03:22:14.220 started to become popular and the national front did in night in the 1970s i think they polled 11

03:22:22.780 of the vote, which was absolutely massive. And in 1979, when Thatcher got in, they were absolutely

03:22:30.780 wiped out, completely wiped out, because the system will do anything it has to in order to

03:22:38.360 protect itself. And all parties, Labour, Conservative, Liberal, the Social Democrats

03:22:45.000 were around then as well will all work together in order to maintain the system so there was no

03:22:54.280 way ukip was going to work and at the end of all of that and i left the conservative party and i'll

03:23:02.040 be honest with you they were talking about putting me forward as an mp the following year in a safe

03:23:08.280 seat and i could have just rode the gravy train but it wasn't why i was there i wasn't there for

03:23:16.120 for that so i left and i was then in a situation where i understood that the system was utterly

03:23:25.940 corrupt hell bent on just maintaining its power and i had to do everything i could to

03:23:36.360 literally eliminate my dependence upon it i had to become self-sufficient as much as i possibly

03:23:45.600 could and that's what led me to looking at how you can do that how you can you know close down

03:23:52.520 bank accounts use cash only how you can have no credit cards how you can buy land build a house

03:24:01.200 grow food keep livestock and no matter what happens around you you could actually still

03:24:09.660 feed yourself have shelter water and it can't be taken away from you

03:24:16.100 that's very very fascinating stuff and i think a lot of people are probably energized

03:24:22.220 from hearing that and and i wanted to know um and this might sound like an odd question but

03:24:27.140 it sounds very much like the workings of, this might be the wrong phrase to use, but almost like

03:24:33.760 a parallel society, which is something that a lot of people talk about. And I was wondering

03:24:38.240 if homesteaders or people who live off grid, have you noticed that there's a sort of mutual aid

03:24:45.420 network happening? And the reason I ask this is because, you know, me and my wife have looked

03:24:49.760 into homeschooling. And what I've noticed from homeschooling communities is it's not just one

03:24:54.980 person homeschooling it's a whole community and then they help each other they go on field trips

03:24:59.700 so it's really this almost parallel school network do you see anything like that happening for people

03:25:06.000 as this scene and movement starts to grow i i've i've spoken about this quite a lot over the last

03:25:11.880 year which is we need to actually start looking at a parallel system a parallel society um there

03:25:20.040 is a lot more people looking at going off grid even if not off grid of building their own places

03:25:26.800 and being more self-sufficient and i think self-sufficiency is the way to go so that your

03:25:32.440 reliance on a system that is designed to actually crush you or kill you right is brought down to a

03:25:40.420 minimum your reliance on that system that is your enemy it should be non-existent and the more people

03:25:47.680 move towards that and there are more you will i've already seen i'm a member of maybe four or five

03:25:54.880 groups and they're not all off-gridders they are all groups of people that were looking to put

03:26:01.740 together either cultural systems or social systems or financial systems that are separate

03:26:12.220 from the system we live under from the regime we live under so there's talk of many different

03:26:19.420 aspects these will all come together because the people are all on the same side and there are

03:26:26.220 social groups people going right what we should do is get together keep politics out of it because

03:26:31.820 you know i want to take my wife who's non-political my kids and i don't want you know politics ram

03:26:36.640 down their throat but they need to know that these people are good people we can just go out and we

03:26:41.220 and have a meal and we can go for a walk and we can you know go camping in the woods together

03:26:45.760 that's the social aspect there's people talking of cultural things so there's people now making

03:26:51.620 films um doing short stories writing books putting on plays and these are all people

03:26:58.480 our side of the fence and there's people talking about how can we introduce

03:27:03.760 a separate financial system, what could we do?

03:27:09.060 Does it have to be silver?

03:27:10.820 Does it have to be based on gold standard?

03:27:14.800 Or can we introduce something else?

03:27:16.820 So at least these discussions are taking place.

03:27:22.300 That will lead to, and I've kind of pointed out before,

03:27:25.120 that this has been done before and successfully.

03:27:29.160 If you look at the Czech Republic, they started a parallel society when they were under communist rule.

03:27:41.880 So the dissidents in the Czech Republic started cultural things, writing, plays, films, and a financial system that was outside of the communist regime.

03:27:56.940 And they were persecuted for it and whatever.

03:27:59.160 But it worked. The people started to use it. The people started to watch these films.

03:28:05.780 They started to read these books, and they started to use a different currency.

03:28:11.540 And when the communists pulled out of the Czech Republic, it was the leaders of that dissident movement that became the new government.

03:28:20.400 And they weren't a political party. They were just the people that had put together a parallel society.

03:28:27.280 so it has been done and it has worked in the past and there's lessons to be learned from history

03:28:36.600 i think that's important to let people know is that this has been done before um especially in

03:28:43.340 the 20th century it's not something you need to necessarily go back centuries to find which is i

03:28:49.680 find what some people want to do and this is this again might sound like a pretty basic question but

03:28:55.260 I know a lot of people who would this sort of thing would appeal to a lot of them would call

03:29:00.660 themselves like ecofascists or deep ecologists and they might have an unfriendly view towards

03:29:07.420 technology you know the Ted Kaczynski people and I was wondering do you have any sort of rules or 0.97

03:29:14.600 principles regarding technology or do you just are you kind of you don't give a shit as long as it 0.96

03:29:19.520 gets the job done yeah i'm kind of let's get the job done and i'm also a realist um most people 0.94

03:29:27.400 look at the way i live and and figure you know i would be completely against technology i kind of

03:29:37.100 laugh because i can live the way i do because of technology my solar panels and and the inverter

03:29:44.760 charger which is like a little box of box of witchcraft i don't know how it works it takes

03:29:50.740 sun rays which hit a solar panel which when i you know kind of think about it the solar panel is

03:29:56.800 just like a slab of stone it's silicon and that sunlight goes down a wire into this box of magic

03:30:06.200 and then is turned into electricity which charges my batteries on the one hand and then which again

03:30:14.240 is just lead and acid and something weird happens in there and that puts power back into this box

03:30:21.340 which then goes into the cabin i don't need to know how this technology works what i do know is

03:30:26.580 when i turn the light switch on it works and my light comes on so fantastic i will use technology

03:30:33.720 and some of this stuff is cutting edge do you know i mean it's like the latest stuff

03:30:38.380 i use a smartphone there's lots and lots of people in the dissident right who was like ditch your

03:30:45.540 smartphone it's you know it'll take up too much of your time not only that they can track where

03:30:50.100 you're going you know if i wouldn't need to go somewhere and i don't want to be tracked i won't

03:30:53.820 take my smartphone i'm not stupid um but it's actually a really handy tool for me i've got

03:30:59.920 access to lots of things on there which are useful to me and i'll use it for them to say you know

03:31:06.460 yeah but they'll be able to track where you are well you know what they already know where i am

03:31:11.020 they didn't use my smartphone to you know to figure out where i was it took them a couple

03:31:17.240 of months and you know they're not stupid if they need to find you they'll find you

03:31:23.180 the system is huge and all powerful so you know unless you're going to go completely

03:31:30.680 you know sleeping in a sleeping bag hidden in a hedge somewhere but they'll find you

03:31:38.780 wherever you are so don't don't fret about that you know it's funny as before just we go on there's

03:31:45.700 a story to that um we're going to talk about this on the show it'll be aired by the time this episode

03:31:49.960 airs but uh my friend my co-host used to live in hong kong um he's born in canada moved there for a

03:31:57.040 they moved back uh just recently and uh he has a house he rents a house and then all of a sudden

03:32:03.020 you know everything about china you know everything about the stories you hear and and of course 0.95

03:32:06.860 china's relationship to canada he finds this like chinese woman one day just like skulking around

03:32:13.900 his house he lives in a rural area by the way and then they're just looking around and he's like

03:32:18.760 you know what's going on she's got an alibi but she can barely speak english she says she's from 0.88

03:32:23.480 beijing she says oh i was just walking by and it's like you're in the middle of fucking nowhere 0.99

03:32:29.620 that doesn't make sense why you would be there but they found him they found him from fucking 0.91

03:32:34.740 china somehow and they just they're interested in what he's got going on that's all it is but 0.77

03:32:40.320 i was just my mind was blown when i heard that story well the chaps that turned up here i mean

03:32:46.140 i was fairly sure i knew why they turned up anyway and i said okay come in let's have a cup of coffee

03:32:51.500 um i said right you're here because you want to make sure this isn't ruby ridge ridge or you know

03:32:57.220 another waco and they were like yeah kind of um you come up on the radar you know and it's obvious

03:33:03.700 to me i mean i was going to be on their list anyway and when i crop up on youtube as this you

03:33:10.460 know crazy dude living in the woods um they're like yeah this is ringing alarm bells um what's

03:33:16.800 actually doing there so you know and they'd obviously they even said that you know sent

03:33:24.360 someone here to recon after they'd figured out where it was it took them three months to find

03:33:29.120 it they sent recon here make sure it's the right place two chaps turned up and they came and they

03:33:34.480 saw that i was actually living in a cabin in the woods and there wasn't an army out the back and

03:33:39.040 you know they saw the chickens and they saw the turkeys and they were like yeah okay you've done

03:33:43.660 really well it looks really nice um okay goodbye but now they know for definite where i am okay

03:33:50.320 and you're not going to you know by not using a smartphone or whatever you're not going to hide

03:33:59.560 from these guys right you're not going to hide from the system if if you're a dissident and you

03:34:05.140 need to you should be able to okay but in in real life okay they're going to find you and if you're

03:34:11.180 If you've got a bank, like most people, if you've got a bank account and you're registered at a doctor's,

03:34:17.160 how long do you think it's going to take them to find you?

03:34:20.400 Really?

03:34:21.280 They've got your address already.

03:34:23.700 And they've got all your known associates and all of your family, and it'll take them a day.

03:34:29.980 So, you know, forget about not using technology.

03:34:33.440 Use it to your advantage, okay, and put it away if it's becoming a hindrance.

03:34:39.240 but no i'm not anti-technology in fact i would say that technology is probably going to be

03:34:47.400 how we get out of this because i'm big on self-sufficiency and i think that by utilizing

03:34:56.420 technology in the right way we can actually make things really much simpler and much easier

03:35:05.380 for our population. At the moment, the technology is going to be used against us. It should be being

03:35:13.560 used for us. I agree completely. I won't give too much of it away, but I would always tell people

03:35:20.620 that if you have dreams of receding from the system or avoiding surveillance, you're in for

03:35:26.940 a rude awakening. My strategy, in so many words, in short, would be you're better off trying to

03:35:33.480 confuse it you better off trying to confuse the cameras than avoid the cameras so rather than

03:35:38.380 cut yourself off from you know social media or whatever make a hundred fake profiles like just

03:35:44.980 and i know i've known e-celeps who've done this too i mean the the fact of the matter is because

03:35:51.760 of the organizations i was involved in when i was younger um my name would have been on a list

03:35:59.960 somewhere so it doesn't take much for your name to crop up again years later across reference

03:36:10.340 and if you're doing anything a bit wacky like like like me um because there isn't that many

03:36:17.840 online in the dissident right at the moment that are doing this so it was obvious that it piqued

03:36:25.240 interest which you know i'm not stupid i understand that but it's um you're not gonna avoid it i was

03:36:36.100 gonna say for people i'm not trying to like black pill anyone here but you are correct in the sense

03:36:41.120 that a lot of people will think that oh if i order book x from amazon then i'm on the list i'm like

03:36:46.660 no you're already on a list when you looked it up you were on the list when you were browsing and

03:36:51.220 Because I work in marketing and work in advertising.

03:36:54.660 And so if you do any Facebook advertising, over the years, you'll notice that you have less targeting data that you can target.

03:37:02.420 You used to be able to just target black people. 0.54

03:37:04.380 You can't target black people anymore. 0.99

03:37:05.600 It's too racist. 0.97

03:37:06.480 However, that data is still being collected.

03:37:09.140 The data of your web activity.

03:37:10.980 So you don't need to order like Mein Kampf.

03:37:14.140 but they will they can aggregate say he didn't do one red flag but he's got a bunch of orange

03:37:20.060 and yellow flags and then they aggregate that from every other platform and say okay now

03:37:25.280 you're a problem person just because they can tell you're thinking about something and so it's like

03:37:29.860 well whatever so i got to work within that paradigm right yeah well i used to live in

03:37:36.160 Cheltenham in the UK um and the chap who lived above me uh worked for GCHQ

03:37:44.380 and he never gave me a lot of information but he did give me overall overall what could happen

03:37:52.920 like um I mean his job was incredibly boring he used to just read Russian papers looking for

03:37:59.800 keywords but he did that every day every day and then you know certain things would be plugged

03:38:06.480 through a computer and whatever uh but that he was just a like a speed reader just picking out

03:38:13.100 certain words and then it would go on to something else and then it would go through a computer

03:38:16.780 but he said you know gchq's got everything everything that's being done right online

03:38:23.560 right can be and probably is monitored all of it so you're not going to get away with it

03:38:31.360 if they need to it can be used if they need to so what you've got to just make sure is you're not 0.65

03:38:38.400 stupid just don't be stupid exactly and because i think the reason they're scared of someone like 0.96

03:38:46.540 you is because you are not a crazy guy living in the woods you're a very sensible intelligent 1.00

03:38:51.400 normal guy living in the woods and that's making it an attractive prospect for people you know if

03:38:56.860 you were i've known a few crazy guys who lived in the woods that they don't you don't think

03:39:01.800 i know i know a few and to be honest they don't last long they're usually we had one in the same

03:39:09.040 woods here because it's not just me living it i thought it would be just me but i think there's

03:39:13.540 one two three there's four now and there was five and one of them was batshit crazy and he's no

03:39:20.820 longer here he was rounded up and taken away and will never return um you know he had booby traps

03:39:28.900 in his land and you know completely off off off his tree um yeah you you don't last like that

03:39:36.760 you won't but if you're a normal guy just trying to do the right thing trying to look after yourself

03:39:42.440 and trying to look after your family do you know what the system might not like it but you're not

03:39:49.340 breaking laws and or anything you're actually doing the right thing you know it's funny um i'll

03:39:56.560 tell a story here that some people on telegram might have known about there was this real this

03:40:00.800 guy spoke to a few times he's a real character on telegram his name was siege bus and i think

03:40:07.420 he passed away maybe a year ago very tragic i don't know the cause of death but he was a guy

03:40:12.180 young guy um really really far right would wear a skull mask and he would live i believe allegedly

03:40:19.460 he lived in a school bus in the woods and his whole thing was he wore a kilt all the time

03:40:25.800 so and he loved to challenge people to fights and there's all these fight videos of him just

03:40:30.800 getting into telegram arguments and they're like meet me here and they record it and so there's

03:40:34.980 all these almost like bum fights or something of him just winning winning the fights and then

03:40:39.880 you know but then i think he either died perhaps by suicide perhaps just because you can't really

03:40:45.240 live in a school bus in the woods long term so unfortunately that's one case where he might have

03:40:52.620 just the same thing happened maybe just washed out you know but you're going to find a lot of

03:40:57.100 those guys and i i kind of miss them just because i like i like knowing those guys are kind of

03:41:01.620 running around out there you know causing stories and talking about sunning their balls and stuff

03:41:05.920 but you know i'll tell you the thing that is that surprised me which is um when i say to people i

03:41:14.880 live in a cabin in the woods is the preconception the preconceived idea of what people have of that

03:41:23.840 so usually it's small it'll be one room maybe two um and the only sort of light is uh you know

03:41:35.900 a davey lamp or you know a hurricane lamp and a big open fire they imagine a unibobber cabin i bet

03:41:43.280 yes or it's so basic like how come you don't freeze in the window and you know

03:41:49.340 you know is there wind blowing through the panel in that and then when they come up here and they

03:41:55.980 see that i've got a microwave and a big american sort of smeg fridge freezer and a washing machine

03:42:03.140 and a tumble dryer and everything that they've got in their house and it's three times the size

03:42:10.400 of their house you know and they're like wow it's an actual home and i'm like well yeah because i've

03:42:18.820 got a wife and i did have kids at the time when i started it and as much as my wife kind of is up

03:42:27.000 for living in the woods right she wanted plaster you know plastered walls and you know a washing

03:42:33.200 machine and i couldn't convince her otherwise like so you have to think outside the box and go okay

03:42:39.800 we're going to have all of these things how do we power it and how can we do it and then you uh

03:42:44.800 and then you work it out it's funny you say that like my wife like she's down for a lot of stuff

03:42:50.320 but one thing i know she needs is a good washroom and hot water that's the baseline right yeah well

03:42:55.840 I mean, mine's the same, and I'll be honest with you.

03:42:58.320 I mean, even if you had a set of builders come in and do it for you,

03:43:03.400 because of the type of lifestyle, there'll be an issue along the line.

03:43:07.600 And let's say you've got no water.

03:43:13.660 Now, if you're living in normal suburbia, that might, you know,

03:43:18.480 if they're working on the water mains, you know, they'll send you a letter first.

03:43:21.820 They'll tell you when it's going to be cut off.

03:43:23.180 even in you know if there's an accident and your water's cut off you've got a whole team of like

03:43:29.640 everyone working around the clock to fix that as fast as possible out off grid or or wherever

03:43:37.480 it's down to you you've got to sort out the problem find out where it is fix it you know

03:43:43.800 have all the parts to hand have the tools to do it and i kind of like that i mean i like i like

03:43:51.940 oh man there's another problem i've got an issue here and so you know we've had no water twice

03:44:00.300 in six years which isn't bad um but the last time it was uh four days so i you know we've got a lot

03:44:10.220 of water containers here so i'd go down to my studio in town fill up you know 200 liters of

03:44:16.840 water that last you know there's sort of a week's worth of water there and uh so you can get around

03:44:23.640 it and i do that because i say well i'm working all week until thursday and on thursday i will

03:44:29.460 track down the problem figure out what it is and fix it so i'm in a lucky position that my wife will

03:44:38.360 will roll with that she's at a point now where she knows that the the payoff is is enough that

03:44:45.460 You ride these problems because you've got the life you have.

03:44:50.500 And nine times out of 10, when people are worrying about how they're going to pay their mortgage or the rise in energy prices or the rise in living costs, and we're sat with our feet up in front of a log burner with no worries, it's worth the little things that can go wrong.

03:45:13.400 that's a very encouraging point you just made i know you probably got to get back to it very soon

03:45:19.380 so we can wrap this up quickly on one last thing i want to know from you um and this is kind of a

03:45:26.140 broad question so feel free to just have fun with it but i was wondering when you got into this is

03:45:31.400 there anything that this is going to be sounds like where to get your ideas from but like was

03:45:36.500 there anything that you encountered that really surprised you anything that you came in with one

03:45:41.080 assumption it was completely proven wrong or something that really surprised you that you

03:45:45.340 maybe wished you knew beforehand all right two two very short stories then about surprises

03:45:53.620 the first was the build and this was mainly because i'd never built anything before

03:45:59.400 i thought that the building of the structure of the building of the actual cabin would be the long part

03:46:11.080 And the inside bit, once I got onto the inside, that would be a piece of piss. 0.53

03:46:16.640 Excuse my French. 0.97

03:46:17.700 I thought that would be easy.

03:46:19.600 But actually getting a building up would take the time.

03:46:24.380 The building was up in less than four weeks.

03:46:29.880 The inside, the internals, took months and months and months. 1.00

03:46:38.980 And it's just stupid things. 0.86

03:46:40.660 the wiring i'm not an electrician so i had a word with an electrician and said what what wire do i 0.98

03:46:47.820 need to run for the sockets what wire do i need to run for the lights and you know can you just

03:46:53.740 draw me a kind of rough diagram so i went and bought a roll of 50 meters i think it was a wire

03:47:00.380 to do the lights and that 50 meters got two rooms done i think and i've got four bedrooms a dining

03:47:10.180 room a kitchen a utility room a lounge you know a separate other so and i was like how was this

03:47:18.020 taken and it i had to drill over 700 holes stud work through roof beams like just to thread these

03:47:33.940 this wire so it had to go up you can't put it on the outside of the stud work otherwise the

03:47:38.900 plasterboard won't fit so you've got to drill through the stud work and then it's got to

03:47:43.620 go to switches which you've got to work out where they are and then from the switch you so you leave

03:47:48.940 a loop there then up through more stud work and then you've got to take it along the ceiling

03:47:53.280 so all the roof beams that to drill holes through each one and then it's got to come down into the

03:47:59.280 next room so you've got to drill down through all the stuff it just took me that was the longest job

03:48:05.360 of the whole build was just putting the wiring in

03:48:08.900 but i did i ran all the wires myself and then right at the very end i got an electrician to

03:48:17.640 come in and i'd already spoken him about what wires to use and what switches to get and what

03:48:22.300 sockets to get and then he came in and i said how much do you charge for a day and he said 300 pounds

03:48:28.640 for the for a day so i said okay come in on the last day fit my consumer unit the fuse box

03:48:36.020 and wiring me sockets and switches he said yeah i can do that in a day he came in he was finished

03:48:42.460 by lunchtime uh charged me 250 quid knocked 50 quid off because it was only half a day's work

03:48:47.620 tested it all for me made sure everything was fine no wires broken anywhere all the light

03:48:52.920 switches worked all the sockets worked job done but i did the donkey work and he said if you'd

03:49:00.460 had me wire this place he said i probably could have done it in half the time because he knows

03:49:06.640 what he's doing he said but it still would have cost you a couple of thousand pounds so i saved

03:49:11.640 a couple of thousand pounds by doing it and you know learned some lessons did he think you did a

03:49:16.780 good enough job too like it was up to par he said you know you've done all the donkey work all the

03:49:22.220 hard work the easy bit for him was just wiring it into the fuse box and you know i got him to do all

03:49:29.660 that because i didn't know what i was doing so yeah i mean actually threading the wires through

03:49:35.660 and that he said i would have had to do the same thing i just would have got it done faster because

03:49:39.400 i know what i'm doing um so that was a surprise the inside work and putting plasterboard up and

03:49:46.660 then taping it and plastering it and paint yeah that took months and months much longer than

03:49:51.980 getting the building up so that was a surprise the other one i had was uh when i first bought the land

03:50:02.100 a bloke turned up introduced himself and was kind of saying what did you buy the land for then

03:50:12.380 and you know i was a bit cagey as well i didn't know him and he apparently owned a plot of land

03:50:18.520 at the top of the woods so i said oh you know we're going to keep some animals here and you

03:50:24.080 know whatnot i kind of just thought well i'm going to say this because he owns land here

03:50:28.320 see what he thinks and i said i'm probably going to put a little cabin out the back for weekends

03:50:33.280 or whatever and he was like oh right that's cool and i thought right that's good so that's a

03:50:38.120 neighbor who's you know not going to worry that i'm putting a cabin in and i said what about you

03:50:44.440 And he said, oh, I always fancied a treehouse.

03:50:48.080 And I thought my initial reaction was, oh, the bloke's obviously got kids

03:50:52.040 and he's built them a treehouse.

03:50:54.760 And he said, you will have to come up one day.

03:50:56.980 About three weeks later, I thought I'll take a walk up,

03:51:00.020 see if he's, you know, in his woods.

03:51:03.360 So I walked sort of half a mile up the lane and sort of found his plot

03:51:08.000 and sort of walked down and called his name. 0.79

03:51:10.540 And as I sort of got through into the middle of his woods, in this tree was a two-story treehouse that was something like out of an Ewok village.

03:51:25.240 It was, I'd never seen anything like it. 0.99

03:51:28.220 Now, he sort of came down, and I was stood looking in amazement at this thing,

03:51:35.700 and he said, come up, come up.

03:51:37.660 And I went up this ladder through a trapdoor into a treehouse,

03:51:42.640 and he showed me into the top floor and, you know, where his bedroom was and that.

03:51:47.200 And I came back down, and I was sat in an armchair in front of a log burner.

03:51:53.640 he was sat in another chair drinking a cup of coffee that he'd cooked in the kitchen in this

03:51:59.720 tree house and I was blown away I was literally blown away because for any bloke I think that

03:52:08.160 is like the ultimate fantasy that like your own livable tree house and I was like where do you

03:52:17.420 have a shower where do you where do you wash where do you do this and he was like and i'm sat

03:52:22.880 drinking this coffee and my wife phones me and she's in our plot of the woods and she says where

03:52:27.800 are you and i'm just like you are never ever ever gonna believe where i am i was sat in this tree

03:52:36.840 house like drinking coffee in front of a log fire it was bizarre and his place kind of just

03:52:46.120 when i came away from there i thought wow man it now i can see that anything anything is possible

03:52:56.000 if you just put your mind to it and this was a bloke lived on his own had just built this place

03:53:01.460 because he had always wanted one and it was an incredible and it spurred me on even more and

03:53:08.440 then i thought well i you know i've just seen that this can be done but not a video that you

03:53:16.400 can actually build somewhere and live in it and that that was it for me that was i was blown away

03:53:22.120 by that you it's fine when you first started that story i thought it was going to go the direction

03:53:26.560 of you met a skinwalker or like you went there and found just like a bunch of flesh or something

03:53:32.540 but then like i know from hearing that story the same light bulb just went over the heads of most

03:53:38.340 of the guys listening this like i didn't think that was possible i didn't think you could do it 0.99

03:53:43.040 now that's precisely what i want to do i'm gonna go tell my fucking wife we're gonna build a tree 0.95

03:53:47.700 house now it's i mean the weird thing is he came down i mean we're good friends now and he came 0.98

03:53:55.100 down while i was building mine and he was like man this is huge and i'm like do you know what i

03:54:01.100 don't want to build it too small if i build it too small and then i've got to start adding things to

03:54:05.660 So, you know, if it's a bit big, then some of it I won't use.

03:54:09.780 And he was like, yeah, I need a bit more room.

03:54:13.700 So he went back to his and then built from the bottom of the treehouse

03:54:18.100 down to the ground and built a music studio and a new lounge

03:54:26.500 and put in a new shower and gave himself more room

03:54:32.200 because he'd seen what I could do.

03:54:35.660 He essentially built a tower.

03:54:38.700 Now, should I tell you what it looks like?

03:54:40.800 Have you ever seen the old wooden windmills?

03:54:44.140 Yeah, yeah.

03:54:44.720 They're kind of sort of hexagonal in shape.

03:54:49.100 And his place now kind of just reminds me of if you took the blades off,

03:54:55.920 took the sails off of a windmill, it kind of looks like one of those,

03:55:00.660 but with a tree growing out of the top of it.

03:55:04.200 It's phenomenally beautiful.

03:55:07.560 The bloke's a craftsman and an artist.

03:55:13.280 I mean, he started off as an artist and then wanted to earn some real money,

03:55:17.580 so got into sort of craft work.

03:55:19.920 But the place is stunningly beautiful, and it's inspiring.

03:55:26.820 But it was nice to see that he could come down and see what I was doing

03:55:30.720 And then went back and was inspired by that to go back and change his, which is which is cool, man.

03:55:37.440 And that's the way it should be. Do you know what I mean? We kind of work together.

03:55:40.720 We learn from each other. We take ideas and put them back into our own lives.

03:55:46.880 And you're not, you know, trying to you're not getting grifted on anything.

03:55:50.140 And also based on that story, I know what every single guy hearing that story is thinking.

03:55:55.000 They're imagining it. They're thinking, OK, now it's platforms. Now it's bridges.

03:55:58.820 now every tree's in play now i'm building an empire now i'm rebuilding rome yes and you know

03:56:04.960 what that's the beauty of it i mean but the the first thing is and i do want to touch on this

03:56:11.240 briefly because it gets back to those people who say do you know what i'd love to do this but i

03:56:15.800 just i can't afford it i understand that i really do well get five of you together

03:56:23.340 do what charlemagne's doing him and four of his mates club together for enough land that they can

03:56:30.200 all have a little cabin get 10 of you together you'll have enough room for 10 cabins and enough

03:56:37.420 room for communal land and enough room for that you can have your own allotments as well so you

03:56:42.400 can grow some food keep some animals you've got nine guys around you nine families around you

03:56:47.460 who will help you out if you've got a problem you can help them out doing this together is the next

03:56:53.120 step i honestly believe that and another thing is i'm i wish my co-host could be here because he

03:57:00.580 he kind of hit the ground running i just told you know the story of him moving back but uh i'm always

03:57:05.700 impressed by his ingenuity and his ability to find deals and things for free and things to help like

03:57:12.200 he kind of hit the ground running coming back to canada within a week he had collect he just goes

03:57:17.100 on marketplaces you want to talk about using social media and technology to our benefit you

03:57:21.860 go on these marketplaces you can find so much stuff for free he's got like a free meat smoker

03:57:27.480 electric one so yeah just the point being that if you actually look look with intent look not just

03:57:34.300 you know seeing what's out there look like i need to buy these tools where can i find them

03:57:38.180 you can probably find free stuff maybe even free wood free lumber free everything everything i mean

03:57:46.080 and the funny thing is once you start living like this your eyes are open all of the time

03:57:52.240 all of the time you kind of become like a womble everything's got a use i could use that for this 0.73

03:57:59.740 i you know i'll keep hold of that and it's important that the place doesn't turn into 0.87

03:58:03.840 like a scrap yard so have somewhere to store stuff but i mean i can i i now know where i can

03:58:10.840 go and get pallets free of charge as many as i want they can they can be used for building they

03:58:15.500 can be used for firewood they can be used for pathways no end of uses so yeah i mean it's

03:58:24.880 it's a you know i've put myself in a position over the last couple of years where i am no longer

03:58:35.120 really dependent on that system i still dip in and out of it i still earn money i still that's

03:58:42.640 because i really enjoy what i'm doing and it's my business i can work when i want and i don't

03:58:48.220 have to if i don't want to um but yeah i mean just cutting myself out of the system and knowing

03:58:58.220 that i haven't borrowed money to do this that this is mine and it can't be taken away from me

03:59:05.740 puts me in such a enviable position and i i i kind of get that but what i'm trying to get

03:59:12.820 across to everyone is do you know what you can do it you can do this and it doesn't have to be the

03:59:21.320 same as mine mine isn't the same as the guy's tree house up the road and his tree house isn't

03:59:28.520 the same as the chap we helped build a cabin opposite me.

03:59:34.460 So they're all different, and they all fit each individual, right?

03:59:39.180 But it is possible.

03:59:41.680 The chap across the way from me phoned me and said,

03:59:45.660 this is a few years back now,

03:59:48.520 is it possible to build a cabin for £5,000?

03:59:52.080 So I did some sums, and I said, yeah, we can do it for £5,000.

03:59:56.240 i priced up all the timber told him how you know where to buy it you buy it i'll help you build it

04:00:03.700 then we built it pretty much two weeks he sold his house down on the coast moved him his wife

04:00:12.740 and his son into the cabin two weeks that's impressive i think i mean timber prices have

04:00:22.700 risen since then um but you know it's still comparable and that was that was for a husband

04:00:29.680 wife and son

04:00:30.460 and maybe i seem a bit confused yeah maybe but i got you peg

04:00:42.720 but i don't know what to do

Blood Satellite - January 14, 2023

The West Is In The Mail [＂pure quebecois phenotype＂]

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