Blood Satellite - Time is a PAWG Circle

00:00:00.000 as far back as i can remember i always wanted to be

00:00:07.720 blood satellite you want to hear a great bit idea i always do that's what i'm here for

00:00:22.200 so it's a really really short guy and he hates getting an erection because he believes it makes

00:00:30.860 him look smaller it's like he's just a short guy and he wants the smallest penis possible

00:00:44.180 down with a girl which comes back to the room he's like don't look at me

00:00:47.200 he's he can't he can't lose valuable inches

00:00:53.960 how's it how's life how's good things with you it's good buddy it's good i was just saying i

00:01:03.420 you know we had that flash storm here and i had to drive west this three-hour drive turned into

00:01:07.700 seven hours on the fucking 401 so that was that was fun but that was an excitement for me it was

00:01:13.340 a sudden blizzard sudden blizzard and uh you know i'm doing the canadian guy thing i'm like ah it's

00:01:19.940 early for this it is that's only because the like it didn't snow last year which was even more

00:01:26.180 bizarre did it not snow for you last year not really what you know what i am lying it wasn't

00:01:34.220 savage for us but we had snow on the ground pretty much constantly from the end of november

00:01:38.160 until like march it's kind of over i'm gonna i'm gonna tell you what i just did i just said the

00:01:43.480 opposite of the truth i don't know why i don't know you're remembering the year before that was

00:01:47.900 like green i think yeah i'm now remembering myself breaking my snow shovel and cursing at the sky

00:01:55.020 yeah you know what i just said an opposite truth just mixing it up just uh i'm just gonna start um

00:02:03.180 I think I'm going to start by being wrong.

00:02:06.660 So, yeah, this is, we have next week off.

00:02:09.480 We might have a couple more weeks off after that,

00:02:14.320 depending on how this birth of my daughter goes,

00:02:19.800 the tentatively named pennies.

00:02:22.420 Although I don't want to seem like I'm devaluing her,

00:02:25.600 you know, standing beside Nichols, of course.

00:02:27.720 I just don't have much currency to work with.

00:02:30.860 You know, this is a bad theme.

00:02:33.180 but uh it was funny after the last episode i was talking about uh my wife getting an induction

00:02:40.180 for the birth um for you know just weight related reasons and uh i didn't think it was a big deal

00:02:47.860 until i started getting dozens of thoughts and prayers messages i'm just walking around like

00:02:54.880 it's just a fucking it's just fucking tossing the old pigskin around yeah and everyone's like dude

00:03:00.880 i'm sorry i'm like huh my mom is praying for you oh and she doesn't pray no she

00:03:08.640 prays a lot she's a she's okay i don't want prayers from people who never pray oh like now

00:03:15.040 i gotta pray i never pray but i guess now i have to pray just throw me in with the laundry

00:03:20.000 don't make it seem like an event yeah this i don't want this like appointment prayers

00:03:26.240 i do you know what i do i do a lot of prayers in the car in the morning and i pretty much go

00:03:29.920 So, sorry and thank you.

00:03:33.340 That's mostly what I do.

00:03:35.540 But you do it throughout the day.

00:03:36.800 You're just praying, sorry, thank you.

00:03:38.360 Yeah.

00:03:39.420 The Canadian's prayer.

00:03:43.140 I'm praying a few times a day.

00:03:45.300 I'm praying, ah, jeez.

00:03:46.880 Ah, jeez.

00:03:50.060 Instead of dear Jesus, it's ah, jeez.

00:03:52.580 Ah, jeez.

00:03:53.520 I said, all prayers start with ah, jeez.

00:03:56.840 Oh, that's fucking great.

00:03:58.200 various prayers over the day a couple times i go nah shit in your hat

00:04:03.800 a guy just just sending him up to god firing him up doesn't need a response you know just i want

00:04:15.760 this this one's for you just pray like a guy who's too active in the chat essentially

00:04:20.900 I am spending too much time in the chat.

00:04:25.460 I don't like having this much lore in my mind.

00:04:32.460 We've had our chat for a long time, and it's gone through eras.

00:04:38.620 Oh, yeah.

00:04:38.960 It's gone through phases.

00:04:40.120 People have filtered out, and I speak of them like they're eras

00:04:43.780 because I bore witness to it all.

00:04:47.120 And what a dumb thing to know a lot about.

00:04:50.900 what the fuck am i doing like i'm not transferable at all but you know what like

00:04:58.860 people are sending good information they're sending good links like it's honestly it is my

00:05:05.240 news i think i'm we're i'm using our community just like everyone should use their group chat

00:05:10.620 which is like that's my newspaper i don't fucking open up a ton of tabs i don't have a home page

00:05:16.480 or a bunch of links just what's going on give it to me someone's sending me epstein stuff

00:05:22.820 which isn't which honestly people the epstein leak if you heard about this no so people there's a

00:05:30.280 bunch of emails that have leaked that honestly don't mean much to me because people are sending

00:05:36.760 me the highlights and so it's just like a leaked printout of an email and so like i oh

00:05:46.180 jeffrey epstein i know that name but then there's some name you don't recognize

00:05:49.780 and you can tell they're talking about very lured things they're referring to

00:05:55.180 dastardly acts right they're talking about girls they're talking about gossip and schemes but

00:06:01.980 you know it's not like they're monologuing it's not like it's just here here's the email where

00:06:07.480 they say what's going on it said it's referencing other emails you need to read five emails to know

00:06:11.980 what's going on yeah but talking about like prince andrew and shit um there's just like a couple

00:06:18.700 points here of the highlights that were sent to me um one seems to implicate trump but actually

00:06:27.120 does the opposite in a sense so let me see if i could find it here yeah because they're actually

00:06:34.580 talking about trump quite a bit um and here's like one question uh from someone named l saying

00:06:43.060 how plausible is the idea that trump is a real cocaine user and like there is just gossip it's

00:06:48.460 just speculating it's like do you think trump's on cocaine and one had said here here's the big

00:06:53.960 controversy trump had said that he knew nothing about girls being trafficked or being trafficked

00:07:00.480 in mar-a-lago yeah his real estate property and they admitted in the email they said no trump was

00:07:08.140 lying about that of course he knew about the girls he knew about them because he asked jillane

00:07:13.800 maxwell to stop right so i'm like and also it's it seems in the emails that what he knew about

00:07:19.760 was the fact that that very broadly speaking gillane was trying to recruit uh workers from

00:07:28.080 his spa from the mar-a-lago spa to join her team or whatever but i'm it's not even clear whether

00:07:33.860 he was aware that they were being trafficked he may have understood it as like you know these

00:07:38.100 are grown women and he's she's trying to recruit them into prostitution yeah not to be like sex

00:07:43.920 trafficked they're also not children they're grown women so as much as we might not like that morally

00:07:48.620 it's not like he's calling out a crime he's just like can you quit fucking recruiting people from

00:07:53.060 my office also they're saying trump asked them to stop like is this it is he actually any then

00:07:58.280 he canceled he actually removed them as members from mara lago they were no longer allowed to go

00:08:02.440 there after that so and then i mean giffey had also exonerated him had like uh not exonerated

00:08:09.240 had like said that he that trump was not involved with any of this every piece of evidence they pull

00:08:14.460 out always ends up being something that proves that he's not involved so yes i'm looking for

00:08:19.460 the smoking gun i i'm way i'm open i hate trump i wish that he was a pedophile but no i just you

00:08:26.100 have to read it honestly and there isn't actually any evidence yeah maybe something's coming right

00:08:31.760 but it's more like yeah trump said he didn't know but he actually knew yeah i know you know

00:08:35.840 here just let me know was he raping kids because if not i don't think i give a fuck yeah like yeah

00:08:42.620 come on i mean look at fuck it look at the biden's just he's a he's a politician he's the president

00:08:47.360 we know he's up to all kinds of dirty shit but if he isn't if he isn't raping kids he was like

00:08:51.960 oh he does cocaine are you fucking serious after four years of biden and you want to be mad at

00:08:56.520 trump for cocaine come on that would explain it that would explain why he looks so virile

00:09:01.460 he's too like that would fill in a lot of gaps i would appreciate that permanently high on coke

00:09:08.680 yeah why not at that age yeah it's like this whole fucking p diddy thing you know buff daddy

00:09:16.340 where he's in prison now because of he's a sex guy you sure you know about these sex

00:09:25.660 they heard about this yeah so i was following it off and on for quite some time everyone's

00:09:34.320 heard about it and he would i think got four years in prison for this sean diddy combs has

00:09:39.360 been sentenced to 50 months in prison combs was sentenced to what judge arun subramanian said

00:09:44.580 was significant time he was sentenced for prostitution related offenses after his conviction

00:09:49.540 in july in a case that ended in a split verdict combs was acquitted of the more serious charges

00:09:55.140 of sex trafficking and racketeering conspiracy that could have landed him behind bars for the

00:09:59.940 rest of his life everyone he's having these orgies he's having these things called freak-offs

00:10:06.740 and he's been known in the industry to be this kind of weird like a bisexual right just into

00:10:12.980 whatever right if we're like if we're jailing sex freaks now that's great i just wish that they got

00:10:18.260 all of them like everybody who attended the party too yeah well this is the thing so i start i

00:10:22.840 remember there's a soft white underbelly interview with one of the women who's at one of diddy's

00:10:28.620 freak offs right yeah and she's telling the story from the inside you're expecting all these

00:10:33.800 occult rituals and human sacrifice otherwise who gives a fuck but she's basically saying like yeah

00:10:41.140 there's like people having sex and there's drugs there and then you say okay well who are you well

00:10:46.760 i'm a model and a prostitute like oh he just you're he hired a whore to come to his party

00:10:52.820 we're fucking rappers you were paid and then you left and you shook hands and that was it

00:10:58.200 yeah like nothing no one was trafficked is just is just whores yeah and let's be honest when we

00:11:04.080 talk about trafficked when you talk about prostitutes and you imagine a white prostitute

00:11:08.540 you hate it because she's white and she's probably

00:11:10.540 trafficked into it or you hear about these

00:11:12.460 you know Chinese Asian women

00:11:14.680 who are put in shipping containers and over

00:11:16.740 here Eastern European women

00:11:17.920 but if we're honest I assume every

00:11:20.800 black prostitute

00:11:22.460 came to that willingly

00:11:23.760 I assume

00:11:26.300 maybe I shouldn't but I'm like

00:11:28.000 you're just here for the love of the game

00:11:29.980 so but I'm like okay

00:11:32.020 this is the point I was making for

00:11:33.780 you got all these stories about

00:11:36.360 he likes putting sniffing cocaine

00:11:38.300 of someone's booty hole unless there's kids involved i actually don't give a fuck anymore

00:11:43.420 yeah why do i care about this why do we care about this weird bisexual rap man it's not to say we

00:11:50.800 don't care about that level of degeneracy right we do dislike it but it's everywhere it's ubiquitous

00:11:57.940 so we're primarily interested in hunting down pedophiles the second people on the list would be

00:12:03.760 sex traffickers people who like kidnap people and fucking traffic them as chattel that should

00:12:09.000 stop the sex thing i mean we're gonna round up everybody in hollywood and every living politician

00:12:14.780 yeah eventually but come on yeah well because also it's in la he lives in los angeles this is

00:12:22.200 what you do i mean that's why i wouldn't go there that's why my child isn't a sex party in los

00:12:28.400 angeles yeah if my child wanted to move to la i would count that as a great failing on my part

00:12:34.740 but that's where you do it so if you're telling me this guy who hasn't released a record in 25 years

00:12:42.180 but he's still a man about town doing things like well that guy's probably that guy's probably

00:12:48.620 stacking whores like this is a guy who's just tired of sex now he's all fucked out and so he's

00:12:55.420 doing weird shit he's just you know having a woman wear his clothes and around the house

00:13:02.200 you know i mean just like did he like a black weinstein i don't know what the transaction

00:13:11.820 would be because with weinstein and again i'm i don't even want to be like we're on it we're on

00:13:17.120 like the weinstein did nothing wrong bring back weinstein yeah but it would be it's like i it'd

00:13:22.760 be like oh what they don't like about weinstein was he was taking sex for favors people were

00:13:28.240 sleeping it maybe was an abuse of power but i don't know what did he was offering you know what

00:13:33.480 i mean and machine gun kelly was on his record label for a while honestly though i don't see

00:13:39.300 it as any different like weinstein weinstein receiving sex in exchange for rules and movies

00:13:44.780 i don't like okay so you're a prostitute it's just that you accept payment in work instead of

00:13:49.900 instead of money you're just a hooker corporate wants to tell the difference between these two

00:13:55.740 pictures it's gay black sex and jewish sex yep they're the same picture we want to get rid of

00:14:06.620 all of it every resolved sex racism slavery and anti-semitism all in one shot i don't like the

00:14:13.660 idea of jewish jewish men having sex you know what i mean i don't like knowing that's out there i

00:14:21.260 don't like that's going on yeah because if they would stop reproducing it would solve a lot of

00:14:27.180 problems for us it's just unnecessary for for a society what do we have what what's what's this

00:14:36.220 for who benefits yeah just like gay black sex this isn't for commerce this isn't for the culture yep

00:14:46.860 it's not this isn't getting us to space i don't i don't want to i don't want to know about jews

00:14:53.500 in bed it's enough that to see him walking around yeah you want to say anything that exists without

00:15:00.460 my knowledge exists without my consent but now you know of of jewish sex that means you consent

00:15:06.280 to jewish sex and you're in a real quandary everything that exists without my knowledge

00:15:11.200 exists without my consent and a great deal of what exists in my knowledge also exists without

00:15:17.540 my consent that's true that's true it wasn't exclusive right at the very least the things

00:15:22.120 outside knowledge or outside consent but also a lot of other things okay they didn't write the

00:15:28.260 judge judge holden to be as nihilistic as us it's like none of this is with my consent i don't like

00:15:35.220 any of this yeah he's not he's not implicitly consenting to everything he knows about i don't

00:15:40.240 know why i always read it though no because it sounds cool like oh man judge what what a smart

00:15:45.880 guy it's actually a fucking stupid platitudinous statement we have no evidence that judge holden's

00:15:53.020 that smart we know that he's a giant rapist that's about all we know about judge holden

00:15:58.360 and he's read a few he like he's smart to a fucking illiterate cowboy with wooden teeth

00:16:04.900 he was he was smart to a guy who left the family farmer 12 years old because he was he was too

00:16:12.200 useless to like pick carrots you come up behind judge judge judge holden before he can alt tab

00:16:20.020 away and he's watching the be retarded videos on youtube like he's subscribed that guy the guy who

00:16:28.180 runs the retard maxing channel might be the last of the real ones like that's so i've never even

00:16:35.700 watched these videos i've just seen the thumbnails brothers we gotta freaking talk we gotta talk

00:16:42.820 my goal here is so you don't have to suffer too many of you guys suffer maybe you got a bad friend

00:16:49.120 group retard max your frame group first of all the thumbnails are hilarious but a hilarious thumbnail

00:16:56.640 and a hilarious title tells me that this is a hilarious man and then you watch it and it's

00:17:02.000 actually just very funny but then it's it's a wild ride because every video is kind of in the same

00:17:09.040 location and he's just smoking a cigar and then you look at the timeline it's like this is 15

00:17:15.120 minutes long like what's he talking about but he actually kind of he like he's just riffing and

00:17:20.380 having fun and it's just really good yeah this retard maxim exists without my consent but with

00:17:26.920 my blessing all right i gotta watch it this is this is going to be one of the i know i say this

00:17:33.860 a lot but this might be a bad episode everybody no this is great we're doing good i need to ask

00:17:40.240 you a question i need to talk about an aggravating argument that i had several weeks ago i love these

00:17:48.880 hit me and you're kind of aware of this but you said you had no no truck for this but i saw this

00:17:56.760 video and i don't spend a lot of time on tiktok or instagram so people just capture them and send

00:18:03.260 them on telegram so i don't know how widespread this is but you know blue collar and uh trades

00:18:10.100 tiktok is pretty big every time i see it i like it but there's this one guy i'm pretty sure he's

00:18:15.760 american and he was saying i'm paraphrasing here but he was saying that ten thousand dollars is

00:18:23.820 not enough to renovate uh like a washer these days in a house so that's american lane ten

00:18:31.440 thousand dollars what would that be canadian i'm just gonna ballpark and say 15k yeah yeah 15k

00:18:36.740 so and i think he was referring not even to a full master bedroom because it's a bathroom rather

00:18:42.860 there's a whole lot of different types of bathrooms but i think it was even like a half

00:18:47.940 bathroom or like a pretty small bathroom right and this is just a renovation i don't think

00:18:53.440 they're fucking around with the plumbing not really and i'm looking at that and um the examples

00:19:00.400 he was given for why this is because some people say it's it's material materials have gone up i

00:19:05.700 get that okay but he doesn't really focus on that and what he focuses on is like man i gotta

00:19:12.400 i can't pay for my kids college and the bills and i don't really have any savings and stuff i'm like

00:19:18.320 okay okay okay okay no one has any savings by the way no one no one's saving for their kids college

00:19:23.880 right now and i know that sucks we should strive to live in a society where you can do all these

00:19:31.540 things and yes you should always be charging what you're worth but there's there's an intersection

00:19:39.620 here there's we're at odds when when you can't just renovate a fucking bathroom for ten thousand

00:19:46.160 fucking dollars or fifteen thousand fucking dollars you're throwing up some grout and some

00:19:52.460 tile a vanity you know sink redoing a a a shower and he's saying you know sometimes it takes me

00:20:02.140 like three weeks to a month no it doesn't no it doesn't if he said that then that is i think

00:20:08.780 that's one of the little the little lies whether intentional or by dint of his work process but we

00:20:14.780 all know that these jobs usually only take maybe five to ten days but they take multiple jobs on

00:20:20.380 on top of each other and it's they conveniently layer them so that they can claim that it took

00:20:25.580 longer and they can charge more but i i don't think that disproves the fact that it costs more

00:20:31.180 now it costs more but it should like you the problem is that no one's gonna pay much more

00:20:40.580 than that because the reason you you get these sorts of and this is something that i've had to

00:20:44.700 come to terms with we all do especially for contractors especially if we just sell our

00:20:50.420 wares ourselves or entrepreneurial it's just what the market's willing to pay and it sucks i'm

00:20:56.360 getting paid hourly nowhere near what i should be paid hourly and i get into and i don't work

00:21:03.040 in construction i work in a white collar i work in marketing right so i did have this argument

00:21:09.180 with my wife all the time she's like you should be charging more i'm like to a client right like

00:21:14.020 should be charging for whatever the service is you know like fifteen hundred dollars per month

00:21:19.780 whatever and they're not going to pay that maybe i need to take eight eight hundred right and she

00:21:25.660 said that's way too low i'm like well here's the thing it's either 800 or it's zero that's the

00:21:30.940 fucking decision right now right right so i can that that's the marketplace that's whether it's

00:21:36.160 fair or not fair doesn't factor into it and maybe i can you know get get that rate up later or you

00:21:42.640 know there's ways to build these contracts but i'm like if if the market is dictating that they

00:21:47.820 just don't have that money right now this year or this time of year you have to figure out do you

00:21:53.600 want to make zero dollars or some money and i've known many of my clients right now have had the

00:21:59.300 same fucking problem this is a shit year for a lot of even blue collar jobs and they just they're

00:22:04.780 getting underbid or there's too much competition or people weren't willing to pay this year and

00:22:09.640 they said well we gotta knock it down by 25 otherwise we actually just don't the fucking

00:22:14.020 work i'll tell you we the entire time i ran a factory so over 10 years the entire fucking time

00:22:19.940 we never took fewer than on a given year no fewer than a third of our jobs we're zero profit or

00:22:28.940 slightly negative profit jobs and it's because we have such enormous fixed overhead that when work

00:22:35.020 is slow if we don't have a break even job which is to say a job that just keeps the lights on

00:22:41.320 pays the pays the utilities pays the mortgages keeps the staff employed so i don't have to

00:22:47.180 furlough them those jobs you're like yeah and i'm not making a penny i'm not taking a salary

00:22:52.180 we're actually losing money i'm having to dip into savings to pay guys but i'd rather do those jobs

00:22:57.360 and then the only the problem with that like you say is there's this two-way street of price

00:23:02.100 discovery you do enough of those and you're starting to set a new price point that people

00:23:05.620 expect that so hopefully you have enough churn in your client base that you can reset it every

00:23:10.160 couple of quarters but yeah um it's like you said you either you can take a shitty job or you can

00:23:15.840 take no job and if you have fixed overhead this this latter option is a curse you're dead yeah

00:23:21.240 and i'm not trying to we're just focusing on renovations right now i'm not trying to fuck

00:23:25.440 her if you're an electrician i know you can punch your own ticket you can charge whatever the fuck

00:23:30.820 you want if you're an electrician i just don't plumbing say same really understand what i guess

00:23:35.900 you know what i would think it is is what do you think of when you're taught you personally are

00:23:41.900 talking about a bathroom renovation because you right there you just said you know a plumber can

00:23:46.960 punch his own ticket when i think of a bathroom reno we're talking about tearing out faucets and

00:23:52.300 installing a new toilet because that's something that to me is not ripping up the walls and getting

00:23:57.180 into the actual pipes that much that's like you're still using the same fit no but like you

00:24:01.180 like i'm just saying if you pull if you got to turn the water off and you got to rip that cabinet

00:24:05.160 out and repair all of the water damage which i guarantee you is down there rip the toilet out

00:24:09.540 put in a new wax ring and then you're taking out the wall which isn't usually not just painted it

00:24:14.220 often has tile and some shit you're taking the ceiling you're taking the light fixtures you're

00:24:17.280 gonna get electrician in there like it's a like if you have if you have 10 hours right sorry if

00:24:23.040 you have 10 days 10 actual days not a month but 10 days just one guy for 10 days is already four

00:24:29.460 grand before tax before you touch materials and remember where if you had if this guy has fixed

00:24:34.020 overhead if he has a shop if he has a truck if he's got tool amortization if he's got if he wants

00:24:38.820 to take a profit that's this is before profit it's not it's really not surprising to me what's

00:24:43.900 what's surprising to me is not that he's charging 20 or 30 grand what's surprising to me is that

00:24:48.660 people pay it but i know people pay it because he's charging because everything you just described

00:24:52.800 the reason i'm saying renovations is everything you described literally anyone can do you actually

00:24:56.380 don't need to be an electrician do any of that stuff we need an electrician for is when you need

00:25:01.020 to like reground a bunch of shit or get so like like i had to do like i had to come a guy come

00:25:05.720 in and rip up the fucking walls and fuck around with the fuse and replace it well you can't but

00:25:10.020 that is measurably more dangerous than like like i said renovation is like you're taking out like

00:25:15.880 you're not actually digging in replacing pipes in the wall that's i know i'm not i'm not trying

00:25:20.900 of ding you but like you you did just describe it anybody can do that but there is risk associated

00:25:26.720 with it so you you essentially in the market now have the option you can let this guy do it for a

00:25:31.440 price that seems too high or you can do it yourself and risk it or you can hire a fucking vietnamese

00:25:36.700 guy who'll do it for a half and risk it my in-laws had their stairs redone by some local chinese guy

00:25:42.740 and they were bragging about how little they paid for it it is a fucking disaster the work there's

00:25:48.060 a lot of problems with the main problem they use gloss polyurethane on it and it's like walking on

00:25:52.800 ice they had to go back and like scuff it and put like plastic pads on it because they almost

00:25:57.720 killed themselves multiple times walking on these stairs because and they're also not flat they like

00:26:02.100 slope down so it's like a fucking booby trap walking on these stairs so like yes anybody can

00:26:07.840 do it but the infinite little things that could go wrong it's if you if i'm not saying you should

00:26:14.140 hire a professional but i mean the market it is we're talking about two different things all

00:26:19.520 right renovations and then electrical work these are not the same thing so you call an electrician

00:26:24.720 to do what i did which was actually get in the walls and rip out wire and stuff like a plumber

00:26:29.040 would do more intense work what i'm saying is with a renovation anyone can do that and they often do

00:26:34.520 because you actually don't need to really do much in the way of plumbing or anything it's just

00:26:38.980 reno to you is just it's just like floor tile wall tile and what paint yeah like a kitchen

00:26:44.320 reno like that's or a fucking bathroom road yeah it's just like remodeling shit but like

00:26:49.180 you trust do you trust a painter to hang cabinets because i i've like there's a lot

00:26:56.500 of ways you can fuck up a cabinet especially something that's going to carry a lot of weight

00:26:59.400 i mean i i literally did it myself i'm not saying you can't do it i'm saying that i don't trust i

00:27:06.760 don't trust you i know but like i've had it's it's there in the bathroom i did it's actually

00:27:15.080 for now it is here in the background this is what i'm saying i'm like i'm just talking about like a

00:27:22.200 like a a bathroom or half bath remodel yeah where and and in the comments beneath that one guy was

00:27:28.920 like my guys don't charge we don't charge less than 60 grand for like a half bath and then it's

00:27:36.280 over sometimes over a hundred dollars for a master bathroom and again i'm like no like i okay and if

00:27:43.720 you're doing mansions and people if people are frivolous with money and they're throwing it

00:27:48.640 around because the way i'm looking at this and maybe this is peasant thinking or something but

00:27:54.020 i'm like the main reason you would do and we're talking about bathrooms just like the appearances

00:28:00.260 and stuff new toilet new vanity whatever the reason you would do that usually is to add value

00:28:04.940 to the house so if i'm paying 60 000 to redo a half bathroom is that adding 60 000 of value to

00:28:13.640 the house there's no fucking way it is you answered your own question though that it's not to add value

00:28:18.400 to the house not remotely it's just pure vanity and money burning because the only people and you

00:28:24.000 also said it right at the beginning that guy who is speaking is in downtown vancouver and he they

00:28:29.020 are working exclusively like look this is the people i was working with in hong kong too where

00:28:32.980 we were doing full refits in people's houses and they were regularly paying me like the these

00:28:37.320 motherfuckers will pay 25 000 us for a coffee table and there's a dude there's there's more

00:28:44.320 than enough people like that to keep dozens and dozens of teams going in a city but then if you

00:28:49.640 were to call them and ask for a quote you're gonna be like are you are you yanking my fucking penis

00:28:54.840 right now with this price am i fucking but but i'm also thinking i'm trying to compare that to like

00:29:00.820 again other tiktoks where they're complaining about like oh there's no work oh no one wants

00:29:05.780 to pay what i'm worth anymore so i'm like okay no we got two things here one there's all these jobs

00:29:11.920 the people there's some people will pay whatever the fuck they want and just blow money out of

00:29:17.500 their ass then there's everyone else over here on this other side where they're like no one wants

00:29:21.640 to pay me anything anymore so i guess i'm talking to the latter group by saying like well maybe for

00:29:27.520 these jobs that should be charging 70k all i'm saying is you're working the types of jobs that

00:29:32.400 are like out there for regular people and like well no one's going to pay you're trying to combine

00:29:36.680 these two groups into one yeah you heard like i hear that there's there's marketing guys making

00:29:42.160 seven thousand dollars an hour i should you know what that made that the market is dictating what

00:29:47.440 i'm worth it's like no shut the fuck up you're working on like middle class homes you're saying

00:29:52.840 what i'm not making fifty thousand dollars on this my my conclusion because i see the same

00:29:57.860 thing i saw it when i was doing cabinet making and furniture and i'm seeing it right now in

00:30:01.240 engineering it had the market the market is dead there is no fucking market it's who you know and

00:30:08.980 how you're positioned and the history of where you came from like what trajectory and how much

00:30:13.720 inertia you have that's all it fucking is i've i've even now the work i do now uh we'll sign

00:30:20.220 jobs that are like five times my going rate just because of the shirt i was wearing that day and i

00:30:24.920 pretended that i know what i'm doing and suddenly this guy thinks we're a much bigger company he

00:30:29.080 doesn't realize it's me and an old polish guy i love doing that and it's great because then we

00:30:33.060 get the money but the thing is in reality this isn't like it's like oh well you cheated him no

00:30:37.460 i didn't fucking cheat him the difference between my work and the work of the you know the 70 guy

00:30:43.300 s sme with a legal team is my work is better it's actually superior we work faster we work quicker

00:30:51.240 we have better quality control we have more features we're more communicative because the

00:30:56.080 sme my direct competitor is full of fucking indians but they actually get they're working

00:31:00.360 with apple and amazon and walmart regularly because they're a they're a subsidiary of a

00:31:06.880 larger american company and all of the upper management and like c-suite people are all

00:31:11.520 friends with each other it has nothing to do with the fucking market it's just a attractive bloat

00:31:16.980 yeah like i always i had this conversation with my wife like a long long time ago where i had to

00:31:21.380 teach her how to lie i had to teach you like lie on your fucking resume i don't give a shit

00:31:25.400 you want to why because everyone else is everyone else is pretending that they're bigger than they

00:31:29.080 are more experienced than they are hey have you ever seen a business that says something like

00:31:33.400 we have over 50 years combined experience like okay so it's one two guys it was like five people

00:31:41.500 maybe five really young guys are two normal guys yeah and you got like 10 years experience each

00:31:46.700 like okay but it's just these little fucking word games it looks good everyone fucking does it who

00:31:52.180 gives a shit yeah yeah because it shouldn't matter it shouldn't matter the years of experience but to

00:31:56.760 some dummies it does and so we need to sit make dummy lies like look you know i'm gonna i'm gonna

00:32:04.420 lie like i i got fucking 50 people i work with why would that mean you're actually better you

00:32:09.780 know what i mean but to some people that sounds good so just fucking tell them that i don't give

00:32:14.000 a shit i i i so don't give a shit anymore because i actually do have confidence in what i do i just

00:32:20.040 need to drag them kicking and screaming into giving them a better fucking deal i will help you

00:32:28.420 i'm gonna wear that and i'm like you i walk into a meeting i'm they love my bowler hat

00:32:34.340 they love i come in dressed in like the tramp like charlie chaplin yeah you got the cowboy boots

00:32:40.900 you got the skull rings the works they say here's here's a man who's comfortable in the world

00:32:47.240 and we don't even work in the same industry i'm i'm booking engineering contracts too

00:32:53.060 there we go i'm out here every i'm out here every fucking day this one i went to yesterday i went

00:32:59.600 until like a fortune 500 billion dollar company walked into their floor and the guy's pointing

00:33:04.680 he's like yeah we got to get this whole thing replaced i don't know who built it but you guys

00:33:07.600 do these right i'm like hell yeah yeah yeah that's cool that's like the last one we did

00:33:10.940 and i'm looking i'm like what the fuck am i looking at what is this thing he wants you to

00:33:13.780 repair the penis flattening machine that i sold him

00:33:16.880 dimes if you're selling fucking chinese made penis flattening

00:33:24.120 machine that's your first mistake you didn't look under the hood you didn't kick a single tire

00:33:28.760 you're buying penis flattened machines sight unseen

00:33:34.160 you tell me you bought this penis flattened machine 50 off out the door damn off the rack

00:33:44.680 he's got an like an amazon returns palette of of return boxes of penis flatteners

00:33:51.020 you come in he's just like oh no no no i'm in trouble

00:33:55.600 oh i don't know i don't know

00:34:00.080 so what is it you do here what is this what is this company

00:34:05.620 what what do you what do you make oh we make profits

00:34:11.820 you make this is what i'm going to explain to my son that men do

00:34:17.780 yep we used to have canning factories we used to have we used to have several different factories

00:34:27.220 that would turn a single horse into a hundred different consumer packaged goods yeah and uh

00:34:35.040 we should do canning factories again yeah i mean it's better than what we are doing which

00:34:40.840 is whores yeah we just got we're the we're the best exporter we're the best exporter of ethnic

00:34:51.280 whores you know what i mean like you were saying that we used to have a factory where we take a

00:34:56.060 horse and turn it in now we have to factory where we take a thousand things and turn them each into

00:34:59.840 horse i don't mind if i do here we go that was a good horse riff yeah we got my son's in the

00:35:18.160 horses right now good horses are cool man he instructed us to buy a toy for him um and and

00:35:27.220 I was surprised that he wanted it

00:35:29.560 because I don't think kids do this anymore.

00:35:31.820 It's a fucking horse head on a stick.

00:35:34.420 A hobby horse.

00:35:35.800 Yeah, a hobby horse.

00:35:37.200 He just rides it around.

00:35:38.640 He hasn't been introduced to cowboy stuff or anything,

00:35:41.960 but he's on the store.

00:35:43.880 Some kind of blood memory

00:35:45.640 took over where he sat on

00:35:47.600 a horse and started galloping around.

00:35:49.600 Nigga, you've never seen a horse run.

00:35:52.100 He got it just because I'm like,

00:35:53.300 I want to encourage this.

00:35:55.480 There's so many bad toys out there,

00:35:56.980 but this seems so classic just don't let him get into the hobby horse sport

00:36:01.940 oh what is that is that like quidditch no you know how like polo like a bunch of like guys

00:36:08.780 in hats and tights will get on the horse and hit a ball or whatever yeah it's that but with

00:36:14.080 hobby horses totally serious the hat the gloves the riding crop the whole works but it's a

00:36:21.100 fucking horse head on a stick and you have to make the clip-clop noises with your mouth

00:36:25.520 oh no it's then they're dead they're dead serious and they have like awards and shit

00:36:29.980 i'm gonna ask a question that i don't want the answer to is this children doing this or is that

00:36:35.360 it's fucking adults it turned out it was men oh women it's mostly women it's mostly when

00:36:41.600 what the tragic part is because women can make sound effects yeah i know well that's probably

00:36:48.240 why it's a challenge that's why they have to give them prizes can you imagine a woman trying to ride

00:36:52.760 a hobby horse around trying to make a sound effect a man can do it man can do it women are

00:36:57.560 just going around going clam clam clam clam yeah this girl she's got the wrong kind of coconuts if

00:37:03.580 you know what i mean we need to go to one of these if we can find it yes we did we gotta go do a show

00:37:11.240 live from the stands of the hobby horse competition but standing in the bleachers the empty bleachers

00:37:17.700 it's just us

00:37:18.660 we get

00:37:21.460 people to come to the show

00:37:24.020 to watch our show while their show

00:37:26.040 is going on oh that's such a good

00:37:27.960 idea we've the whole

00:37:29.560 bleacher just turns their back

00:37:31.800 to the horses and just watches us

00:37:33.560 sorry we're incepting this gay

00:37:35.780 nonsense I brought a bunch of fucking

00:37:37.580 chuds yeah nigga

00:37:39.680 it's like going we're gonna stream live

00:37:41.980 from a quidditch game

00:37:43.220 and we just lose the ability to riff

00:37:45.600 the fucking

00:37:47.560 weight of the moment bears down and it's just sitting there in front of mike's this sucks

00:37:51.740 yep this fucking sucks i hate this

00:37:54.560 i thought it would be fun i just want to fucking kill myself

00:37:59.840 we're gonna have to answer for that as millennials quidditch like all this stuff like they're gonna

00:38:06.780 really bury us for harry potter in the future i wish it would just go away it's such a mark

00:38:13.620 on our generation if everyone stopped reading harry potter right now would be too late honestly

00:38:19.380 like i feel like i feel like cape shit is really a millennial thing generally gen x and zoomers

00:38:24.980 aren't nearly as bad with it as us because you have to remember that like there was only a very

00:38:30.760 brief window where superhero movies were kind of good you know i mean like the early marvel stuff

00:38:36.920 right around the time like batman and shit and now i'm remembering them as good but i was also

00:38:42.380 like 17 so i think i could be forgiven yeah it's for teenagers yeah it's for dumb teenagers and

00:38:51.160 then we just didn't stop doing it if we stopped doing it like i'm i'm not into this stuff but i'm

00:38:56.680 like i if if my son went was a teenager and saw aquaman i'd be like yeah this is something for

00:39:02.540 his age yeah but as a fucking 40 year old man i'm like i can't imagine consuming this i watch

00:39:10.780 pixar movies with him you know in little chunks and i'm like yeah you know what toy story makes

00:39:17.180 sense i like toy story wally very solid film teaches somewhat of a jewish coded story of

00:39:26.140 romance but i'll let that be you know kind of a nebbishy sniveling guy in awe of the powerful woman

00:39:34.540 but whatever it's charming he's a nebbish nebbishy sniveling man who also has immense productive

00:39:43.740 power and discipline and strength and the all-powerful boss woman who actually is

00:39:48.700 perfectly helpless to do anything without him so this this is a this this is a dad right here yeah

00:39:54.860 this is a guy who's seen wally a couple of times i'm coming for every enzyme snorting dexy eating

00:40:02.940 skate right out of the lake oppo sneak dissing on the gram turned a city into pompeii i've seen it

00:40:10.380 a couple of times i like up as well but pixar's had a bad run the past five six years up is good

00:40:16.540 up as might have been might have been the last good one but it's kind of weird watching different

00:40:23.260 pixar movies because they're each intended for a different age group like bug's life and the first

00:40:29.340 toy story are good for like my son's age you can enjoy them as like a toddler yeah yeah yeah

00:40:35.260 they're great but by toy story 4 or like the incredibles the incredibles is almost like made

00:40:40.500 for teenagers there's a reason we watch the incredibles though and it's the uh yeah we all

00:40:45.060 know why we watch we know we don't wait for what's the fucking yeah i was gonna say aquaman is a film

00:40:50.560 for chicks the incredibles is a film for dads it is yes oh we're watching because the dad i thought

00:40:57.040 it was because of the fucking mom's dump truck oh no what did you think i meant that's what i meant

00:41:01.660 yeah that's why it's a film for dads we're talking about yes it's the dump truck

00:41:05.580 and it's it's the scene of him dejected in his job in the beginning he's gained weight and he's

00:41:15.580 doing it for his family and he has to fight it was essentially going postal like that's

00:41:23.220 i didn't think about it but it really is it really is about the dad and it's the only one

00:41:27.140 that has the dump truck so it's interesting that they put the dump truck ass in the dad movie

00:41:31.260 they know yeah and the whole thing is drawn like a 1950s back when things made sense like it's for

00:41:38.160 us yeah um oh yeah by the way guys if you like we're talking movies of course uh we don't do

00:41:45.560 movie corner much anymore but over on our paywall show on patreon and gumroad i've started

00:41:52.820 releasing more movie corner episodes with film reviews um one a week over the past few weeks

00:42:00.200 and the next week is going to be frankenstein which i just recorded today because i saw it

00:42:05.860 just the other day but i had another one that came out so by that time you will have seen it

00:42:12.080 or heard all the opinions enough to fashion your own aggregate take but if you want to hear what

00:42:18.000 think of frankenstein did you ever did you want to see that it's the new gear is that the new one

00:42:23.760 yeah wait wait the one the new new because there was another one like over the summer

00:42:28.720 is this the one with johnny dad it's weird no it's with um somebody cool i like uh oscar isaac

00:42:37.760 like the um how many of these frankenstein movies are they're doing another one with christian bale

00:42:43.760 that's what i'm thinking of christian bale that's so that's not even the one it's like a bride of

00:42:48.980 frankenstein kind of irreverent action comedy thing which also looks good oh guillermo's with

00:42:56.420 oh with oscar isaac i like oscar isaac as an actor but i feel like he's a piece of shit as a dude i

00:43:01.820 feel like he's uh yeah yeah i don't know that looks okay it's i mean if you like del toro it's

00:43:08.980 i do actually i kind of like i mean just artistically i like del toro as a director

00:43:14.080 i'll tell you what movie i loved and i i liked it at the time but it stuck with me for years

00:43:21.140 was nightmare alley which was a remake of course of uh yeah it's been remade a few times but that

00:43:26.800 had um bradley cooper and many other people in it but fuck there's something about that movie

00:43:33.060 it's like a dream like it's really fucking trippy to watch it and it's sort of anachronistic it's

00:43:38.940 in set in the past it's like set in like the 30s i think it's in the great depression

00:43:43.740 but he's got such a flair for directing and i was in the review i'm comparing it to the book

00:43:49.100 because i read the book i think anyone people should read it it's not that long either but

00:43:55.980 i think the main takeaway and i'm not trying to just smuggle it into this episode but

00:44:02.140 del toro is an interesting guy and he's obsessed with fables and he's he really loves fairy

00:44:08.860 tales and stuff so what he did with this film even it follows the book a lot more so than any other

00:44:17.180 movie but he's not actually interested in depicting frankenstein's monster as a monster

00:44:23.500 and that's his thing he loves movies where a woman falls in love with a fucking creature

00:44:29.740 or the creature's humanized in some way or redeemed but like he never wants to make frankenstein a

00:44:36.920 franken's monster a monster because in the book it's it's a pretty brutal book in in that

00:44:43.400 frankenstein's monster i almost want to just call it frankenstein because it gets annoying after a

00:44:47.880 while but the monster um it doesn't start a monster kind of becomes one later on it effectively

00:44:54.200 becomes a serial killer um but it explains how he got that way in this one they don't he's not ugly

00:45:02.360 i think he kind of got to make him ugly yeah you know what i mean but he's too handsome and he's

00:45:07.400 got that look that del toro does for all these characters where it's like it looks like the

00:45:13.400 monster the shape of water or abe sapien from hellboy where it's like gray tall slender but

00:45:21.640 very emotive face but i'm like it doesn't look like he's crafted from a bunch of corpses

00:45:26.600 yeah so anyway but because he's uninterested in portraying frank sign as a monster the movie

00:45:33.560 doesn't really know where to go yeah because it's he's just sort of this you know beleaguered you

00:45:41.480 put upon victim he never has that turn where he becomes dark and evil which you kind of need him

00:45:47.480 to be because the fundamental question of the book in the film is can you just reanimate a corpse

00:45:54.520 or several corpses and create human life even and the whole idea is sorry what i just say the

00:46:02.520 fundamental point of mary shelley's frankenstein is can you use lightning to bring a body back to

00:46:08.680 life well no the idea is what it's about that's what it's over your head that's what it's about

00:46:14.680 it it's that but it's like the whole idea is like he's a son he's a scientist so he's like i can i

00:46:19.960 can make a walk i can make a talk i can even make an intelligent right and the whole point is that

00:46:24.040 the monster becomes very eloquent whereas in other representations is this big lumbering

00:46:30.360 oaf like an ogre so you're thinking oh he's just dumb in this in the book in here he's not dumb

00:46:35.880 he's very eloquent he's very well read so he can communicate so that's not it but it's whether or

00:46:41.560 not you can use science to make a human body do all the things a human body does but it like what

00:46:48.840 is the soul does it lack something else but the film doesn't really have an interest in that

00:46:56.200 because i don't think he has an interest in that because he's just this south american

00:47:02.040 guy like you can get really racist with this if you want but it's like i remember here arguments

00:47:08.280 that frankenstein is a very anglo sort of book you know if you look at what the subject matter

00:47:15.880 is but then you have this like fat south american guy who just his only interest is in redeeming the

00:47:22.680 monster which is the exact inverse of what you should be doing in my opinion but so by the end

00:47:27.960 of it it but however you should watch it's beautiful well directed well acted amazing

00:47:33.960 right he's got a real director directorial voice but i don't know i think if you read the book

00:47:41.880 the implications of it are much more interesting anyway you just i just snuck a movie corner in

00:47:48.200 before we get out of movie corner i just want to say i saw a trailer today for uh night or no don't

00:47:53.000 die have fun good luck don't die or something have you seen that sam rockwell as a time traveler

00:47:58.840 and it's just like stupid it's just oh okay it looks hilarious to me i don't know i mean look

00:48:04.280 it looks like i'm gonna watch it and hate it but then i'm gonna go back and watch it three more

00:48:07.960 times i think no i'll see anything with sam rockwell and oh yeah same same gory verbinski's

00:48:13.740 okay well i mean i'm sold i'm gonna see this i hadn't even heard of it uh i think the trailer

00:48:19.240 just came out today or yesterday or something i just it just popped up so oh michael pena's in it

00:48:24.860 this this here here's a guy who is not happy with his he's played every mexican in the past 20 years

00:48:31.760 in every film i tell you what he's good he's a good he's a great mexican he's a solid mexican

00:48:37.020 he's done some leading roles and he wasn't bad or some sci-fi thing i saw invasion or something

00:48:42.620 he's like all right the problem with that movie wasn't even him he carried so it's john like like

00:48:47.440 john leguizamo yeah i'm like you're actually very good and i i guess they got tired of mexicans for

00:48:55.600 a minute you know what i mean like you used to see more mexicans in the 90s what what happened

00:49:01.340 to mexicans i tell you what women women and trannies came in took all the mexican roles

00:49:07.240 yep hot swapped them right it's disgusting and if you can believe it it's a gay op surely

00:49:16.760 once again oh no zazie beats is in this uh another another mulatto haven't we haven't we

00:49:26.380 enough oh yeah i've seen her before that's a human that's a human being every time you see

00:49:33.580 a mulatto you always say the same thing you say must we still i mean

00:49:42.540 these people should be in the margins can't they just have regular names too

00:49:48.460 yes what's the one from dune who has like the one word name like prince

00:49:52.300 yeah i forget and she looks like a chimpanzee oh oh it's not prince it's i'm like prince might

00:50:00.440 yeah i was just saying like you're so famous you're so famous that you don't have a last

00:50:06.200 name you're like oh that's zendaya zendaya what zendaya ubongo like what's your fucking name dude

00:50:12.980 you used to have to earn the one name yeah yeah prince earned being prince prince was a

00:50:19.640 multi-instrumentalist and he was fucking amazing and like a musical genius and he was for and i

00:50:25.680 think he was i might be wrong he must have called himself prince because of michael jackson was like

00:50:31.040 the king and he was trying to was that what it was something i just you know what i always thought

00:50:37.220 he was dumb because he was like a gay weirdo and i was reading his biography recently for some

00:50:41.540 reason i think it was because we had passed his house and uh fascinating guy actually like i

00:50:46.820 actually have a little bit more respect for him just from the standpoint of the career that he had

00:50:50.720 print prince was i think like the og when it came to trying to like

00:50:57.520 be anti-corporate from a music perspective and like advocate advocating for things that people

00:51:04.920 didn't give a shit about back then but they care a lot about now which is owning your master's

00:51:09.420 recordings and stuff i was reading about uh when doves cry like the lyrics and the the production

00:51:15.940 process of that and where it came from like oh you're actually not a piece of shit you may have

00:51:21.280 been a bit degenerate but like this guy this was an actual dude so i don't know there's all these

00:51:26.280 stories about prince there's all these stories about prince when he turned off being prince

00:51:31.180 because it's like these older style of pop stars like michael jackson you know who's he's got this

00:51:37.680 persona when he's out there but when you would talk to them everyone talks about michael jackson's

00:51:43.080 real voice like there's the one you imagine but then everyone said like when he was just telling

00:51:49.000 his dancers what to do his voice was deeper and he was just a regular of course but then like

00:51:53.920 prince like he's just wearing like sweatsuits and shit but like david bowie like david bowie

00:51:59.660 kind of transitioned out of that but like david boy there's a period where you're dressing flouncy

00:52:04.600 because for some reason chicks were into that i guess but then david boy just became like

00:52:09.800 an english guy later in life he just he kind of aged into being tilda swinton and uh then turned

00:52:18.420 it off but that's that's the thing like i i don't know i guess that was big for a bit and prince

00:52:23.140 like he's wearing pirate shirts and things but i don't know that's what got you pussy yeah i don't

00:52:30.400 know yeah johnny depp's kind of like that yeah the 80s was you know i'm we're running out of time

00:52:36.140 so i gotta get to this oh yeah let's do some actual news

00:52:41.740 there's only a few things there's something i just wanted to touch on here and we're not

00:52:45.660 going to get too deep into it but um anti-hate.ca oh no they claim that they infiltrated an event

00:52:55.660 that was held on the west coast uh titled and it had a bunch of different active clubs and groups

00:53:02.700 i i don't want to get too in the weeds on this because i don't even want to give it attention i

00:53:09.180 don't want to give it any more attention than it deserves it was this conference called exiles of

00:53:14.060 the golden age i actually know quite a few guys who were involved in this and it's just a conference

00:53:20.220 they hold and they had one last year and they had survived the jive there they had tyler hamilton

00:53:25.740 they're guys we know um and this time they're supposed to have the golden one and a couple

00:53:30.940 other people and so the canada anti-hate network of course here's what this is a few things i loved

00:53:36.540 about this article and here's the title the title of course everybody attending white nationalist

00:53:43.500 conference caught on film here's the subheading photos show who organized and attended a white

00:53:49.420 nationalist networking event in vancouver bc okay so as i was reading this i don't know if you had

00:53:56.060 have the chance to first we've said this before when we went through their site your average

00:54:02.280 article in canon anti-hate network is begging for money no less than six times on the page like i'm

00:54:08.400 scrolling here i'm like this is desperate donation donation donation jesus christ um so a couple

00:54:16.160 things jumped out one it's that they didn't get into the event this was very funny if you can

00:54:22.120 look at the photos they were just camped out across the street from the venue and they're

00:54:27.380 just watching people go in and out so there's just like some guy on a cell phone doing the

00:54:33.300 thing where he's pinching the screen trying to zoom in and zoom out on people's faces

00:54:37.200 um so he got that but um they quote one of the speakers who we know who we've had on the show

00:54:46.300 before mike maxwell and he runs imperium press and he recorded a speech for the event and they

00:54:53.260 commit a not insignificant amounts of the article quoting him because they need to tell a story

00:54:59.980 right they need to make this important and relevant to the regular people so they're going to quote

00:55:06.700 whatever they can to make these people sound outlandish and so mike maxwell here's what they

00:55:12.620 picked from him to make him sound unreasonable he's defining what focusness is which is what

00:55:18.740 he's promoting read this focusness holds that family comes before tribe tribe before race and

00:55:26.040 race before humanity it is therefore not a form of white or ethno-nationalism that's beautiful

00:55:32.960 i love that and that's not remotely radical i've never heard it described i quoted this

00:55:38.780 in the latest vanguardist journal article and i did not credit him i don't know if he

00:55:43.140 in he coined any of this but i'm looking at that and thinking who is that supposed to spook

00:55:51.000 like i i'm going to quote that now to regular but that's a great piece of

00:55:56.540 information to them that contextualizes everything right i never heard described like that but who

00:56:03.200 finds that offensive yeah um if he refers to himself the audience as white nationalists and

00:56:09.880 white right-wing extremists is like well he actually just here's a speech where they said

00:56:14.360 they're not it's also funny that's like you called us right-wing extremists and then when we make a

00:56:20.480 speech and say hey we're right-wing extremists just like hi gotcha it's like no you i mean you

00:56:25.120 got me an hour ago when you are you already labeled me that so what does it matter yeah

00:56:29.140 yeah so and then they referenced this other guy named fallen who was it was there um it says

00:56:34.820 speaking about the optics or public perception of the movement at the conference fallen told

00:56:39.080 attendees had their opponents had their wish we would have been like the whole white nationalists

00:56:44.820 of the 90s and early 2000s you know skinheads with a lot of tattoos and a lot of you know

00:56:49.540 listening to music and get drunk so they're quoting guys saying like look we're not what

00:56:54.900 they they're referring to the canada anti-hate network saying these people would love it if we

00:57:00.660 just had a bunch of swastika face tattoos and we were just listening to screwdriver all day so i'm

00:57:06.740 like is this is this the worst you've got you know what i mean like every you come away read from

00:57:13.540 reading this thinking these people sound like the most reasonable people and and i at the end of

00:57:19.700 this episode we're going to include an interview that i did just a couple days ago with morgoth

00:57:27.060 and it was a wonderful interview i had a great time doing it and before the interview me and

00:57:32.740 him were talking for half an hour before he went live and uh because he he he arrived early none

00:57:40.260 of these other motherfuckers have ever arrived early before yeah but he was just and i think

00:57:46.180 that speaks to his character but and i just happened to just have it open but we're just

00:57:50.580 talking and um talking about any topics to avoid he didn't really have any but i said oh would you

00:57:56.180 be opposed to discuss your doxing because morgoth was doxed by hope not hate over there in uh in

00:58:05.380 the uk and uh he said you know i'm not opposed to it but you know i've addressed it before i've

00:58:11.620 already discussed it i don't know if people find it that interesting but i was interested to hear

00:58:17.060 from him and we didn't get this in the interview but i'll say now i had asked what were the

00:58:22.260 consequences of this you being doxxed by an organization that is bigger than the canada

00:58:27.620 anti-hate network i'm pretty sure hope not hate yeah yeah substantially much bigger yeah and he

00:58:32.820 said this him openly as well so i'm not revealing anything people might not know but he said he had

00:58:38.500 suffered no personal or professional consequences from that no ramifications at all which is

00:58:44.580 interesting um and they had his photo out there they had all kinds of they found him but

00:58:50.180 enough there was no blowback and this is something that we'd been saying for a while but it was

00:58:56.100 always just maybe a presumption but i'd said i don't think regular people give a about this

00:59:02.660 like they're hoping a news outlet latches onto it cbc takes this like they would a press release and

00:59:09.780 then blast it out there but if you actually read the article about morgoth and they're quoting him

00:59:15.620 just like here it's like he doesn't say anything outlandish nothing that because what they need to

00:59:21.380 do is to make these people seem scary to regular people and not especially now right what like the

00:59:29.300 the you go there and just talk about how indians are annoying like at our event we said some pretty

00:59:35.460 fucking wild shit and that was like a year ago and um whatever people are actually primed to

00:59:43.120 hear that right now people are primed for some some ideas and solutions that would have been

00:59:48.160 unthinkable five years ago so yeah you're not gonna you're not gonna get your mom to think that

00:59:53.860 someone like morgoth should be in jail for saying pretty reasonable stuff honestly

01:00:01.120 nothing like what we say we should be in jail we should be in jail for humphrey bong fart

01:00:09.480 i'm pretty sure that's a hate crime i'm pretty sure that in any society that made sense i'd be

01:00:15.840 imprisoned yep do i do a lot of dad jokes am i known for that because under the morgoth of

01:00:27.440 okay i love these interviews because you get a lot of his fans uh watching it right and they're like

01:00:34.480 i almost turned off because the intro music or what what is going on with that background if you

01:00:41.280 people are here despite that background not because of it change just make it black

01:00:46.080 humiliation well i'm not changing the background because it's it's fantastic

01:00:51.200 so denied but then it's like what's i was i was almost going to turn off because this host

01:00:57.600 because of his like hokey joke honestly they were not friendly to me if i'm being honest but

01:01:04.160 i mean of course i'm ignoring the kind comments and thinking but am i like a dad joke guy because

01:01:08.720 Cause someone was like, no, no, that's dimes.

01:01:10.960 He's the dad joking.

01:01:12.220 I'm like, okay, these are just good jokes.

01:01:16.740 Well,

01:01:17.880 get your hand off my penis.

01:01:20.020 What is the charge?

01:01:21.500 Eating a succulent Chinese.

01:01:23.120 Fuck you.

01:01:24.220 Don't fuck with me.

01:01:27.360 I've been very sensitive right now.

01:01:30.300 I know.

01:01:31.040 I know.

01:01:31.700 I think the, it's in the eye of the beholder.

01:01:34.540 I'm not trying to, I'm not trying to sugarcoat it.

01:01:36.760 i think it is i you know i do intentionally that is that is textbook that is textbook sugar yeah

01:01:44.040 yeah yeah is it it's a slide whistle it's different strokes for different folks that

01:01:52.840 is classic sugarcoating that's like you know what it's fucking apples to oranges but when i say it's

01:01:58.520 not sugarcoating then that also is like a mulligan or a uh get out of jail free card you know dimes

01:02:05.860 i'm not going to sugarcoat it anyone who says that you don't need them as a friend

01:02:10.400 yep there you go was it was it woody allen woody allen who said that i don't want to be

01:02:17.920 a citizen of a country that wouldn't have me in prison or was it something else like that

01:02:23.120 we can just extend woody allen quotes to what they should mean

01:02:29.580 let me just continue here um again at the risk of spending too long on this one topic

01:02:37.460 but there's a section here i'm trying to locate it right now i'm going to paraphrase it's in this

01:02:46.220 article where they say um they're they're gloating because these groups can can must gloat about

01:02:55.140 we discovered they list names here of just regular people but in doing so they show their

01:03:02.500 hand a little bit because this is just a non-profit group it gets its money from the government but

01:03:07.960 for all intents and purposes it's a private entity but they're boasting at one point they said

01:03:13.440 we got these names of people and we approached CSIS we approached the Canadian intelligence

01:03:22.160 apparatus and gave them the names and they not only verify the names but gave us a couple extra

01:03:29.120 that they have i said hold on a second so you you're telling me you're admitting that you are

01:03:35.840 working hand in glove with the canadian uh intelligence apparatus in some form let's say

01:03:42.160 ceases this isn't just you submitting names to a dead drop anyone could send tips that you know

01:03:49.200 and you can do that right now to anyone doesn't mean they're going to listen you're saying you

01:03:52.460 not only have a direct line to them but they're feeding you information yeah that sounds like a

01:04:00.160 case because we mentioned this in our previous episode that there's mps and politicians who are

01:04:07.760 asking the very pertinent question of why are we funding an organization that only exists to harass

01:04:15.880 canadian citizens there's no other reason for this group to exist other than to try and get

01:04:21.080 people fired or phone them or harass them and dox them do we really need to be funding 90

01:04:27.080 percent of their operating budget which is what they get right so but now you're telling me that

01:04:33.420 this fucking organization is working in concert with csis like that to me is a story of corruption

01:04:41.860 that people could really latch on to what do you think about that absolutely it absolutely is and

01:04:46.280 it's already come up in committee recently i think even just in september or in august it came up in

01:04:51.600 committee and then it doesn't nobody seems to notice until recently and i guess they are noticing

01:04:57.980 now this is purely political it's one thing if you're you know like the the right-wing version

01:05:04.220 is pedo hunters where they're tracking down people who are actually committing very serious crimes

01:05:09.120 that the government isn't bothering to to to track down and then they're calling the police

01:05:14.160 on them but in this case the people that you are quoting to CSIS CSIS is still not arresting

01:05:19.660 it's because they aren't committing a crime this is just politics you just don't like right-wingers

01:05:25.640 are we extremely right-wing are we radically right-wing yes we are are we criminal no we're

01:05:32.380 not you just don't like our fucking opinions this is harassment and it's in it and again like you

01:05:37.760 said it's completely political and it's corrupt because you know these institutions are supposed

01:05:42.680 to be neutral they're supposed to be non-partisan CSIS is not supposed to be fucking partisan

01:05:46.220 CSIS is not supposed to be left-wing so yeah man this is our maybe this is our fucking Comey moment

01:05:52.520 here I think this is a wedge issue I think this is something you can really just this is a crack

01:06:00.560 you can just like crowbar open I think and that's just the sense that I get I'm just laughing here

01:06:06.620 because they have a photo of of course there's a couple sonarads over here but that's you know

01:06:13.240 tulopula doesn't mean anything there's they're showing a table of books and with candles on top

01:06:19.240 you're thinking oh my god all of these extra photos came from elsewhere too they came from

01:06:23.700 like their instagram page and you wonder what are these books and you look at it the iliad by homer

01:06:29.560 the odyssey by homer like it's just yeah it's just greek literature and like really

01:06:37.080 admittedly obscure political theory like what is that it's it's an imperium press i think just

01:06:44.340 imperium at a table there anyway i just wanted to read that because that last part really

01:06:48.620 stuck in my craw there's something we were talking about before we went live and uh i don't know what

01:06:55.960 to make of this but i just want to put a pin in this right now it seems that at least from where

01:07:02.760 i'm standing we're legitimizing the discourse around chemtrails every news outlet calls them

01:07:10.400 crazy but the trails are still there and it's clearly not water vapor because that doesn't

01:07:14.620 make sense at all so what are they we've spent the last six months trying to find someone credible

01:07:19.540 who could explain that to us a serious sane person with an engineering background who could tell us

01:07:24.320 what are we looking at? Because we're looking at something. And I don't care what names you call

01:07:27.340 me. I still want to know what it is. And we think we have found that person. Dane Wigington

01:07:32.120 of Northern California has been on this subject for almost 30 years and has compiled what we

01:07:36.680 believe, after looking at it pretty carefully, is the most comprehensive account of what we're

01:07:41.160 seeing. Like RFK Jr. is out there, you know, mentioning account trails. And I was looking

01:07:48.540 at this article written in the daily mail about uh the u.s military has been accused of spraying

01:07:55.480 toxic chemicals in the air for decades as part of a secret program that's backfired in its goal to

01:08:01.460 stop in global warming and this is dan wingington just an environmental researcher of 30 years so

01:08:08.880 some guy but uh you know he's out there causing a ruckus causing a stink but i'm here like i said

01:08:16.780 rfk juniors talking about there's other politicians talking about it and there's been a legislation

01:08:24.060 introduced in wyoming um i'm reading an article on it but i'm just commenting on it's so interesting

01:08:33.260 that this happened the title is chemtrail conspiracy guides wyoming geoengineering legislation

01:08:39.820 so it starts by saying the joint agriculture state and public lands and water resources

01:08:46.680 interim meeting just one of the most boring meetings you can imagine quickly slipped from

01:08:51.600 its schedule two hours into the eighth hour on monday the 13 lawmakers went around on how to

01:08:57.800 stop chemtrails in wyoming skies they narrowed it on three different bills but legislating something

01:09:03.900 that isn't proven to exist was pretty tricky um so this is something that's being debated

01:09:10.460 in various legislatures it's being promoted in the mainstream media now and this used to be a topic

01:09:17.660 that would get you lampooned and kicked out of polite society this was just the kookiest thing

01:09:23.260 you could imagine and sort of like the alien disclosure stuff extraterrestrial disclosure

01:09:28.140 like i i think there's more i think there's more serious discussion about it and and there's more

01:09:34.720 disclosures because i had every time i read one of these articles that claims it's been debunked

01:09:42.840 they will focus on very little weaselly words so i was reading one that said uh i think um

01:09:51.440 i'm going to make up a chemical here but i'm pretty sure it was like boron or something

01:09:56.060 that rfk junior saying boron was in these chemtrails and they said um it's actually the

01:10:01.580 boron there isn't at a sufficient level to cause alarm it is mainly just salt and aluminum

01:10:07.780 which is natural which is okay but you used to say it was just ice guys you used to say it was

01:10:16.060 just fucking steam and now you're you know what i mean like this i remember this and then there's

01:10:22.760 i swear i'm i gotta pull up in front of me but i'm just gonna again paraphrase what i saw

01:10:28.700 it said that they were interviewing scientists about it and they do the line there's no evidence

01:10:35.900 that we're dropping poison on people from the sky and like okay well no one's saying you're just

01:10:42.680 dropping cyanide on people uh what people were saying the entire time was hey there's this weird

01:10:48.220 shit that they seem to be spraying out it's getting into our water and the water is becoming

01:10:52.540 contaminated and i think that is hurting us but it's not just like they're dropping napalm on you

01:10:57.780 anyway um yeah the claim was they said okay there's no evidence that we're doing that

01:11:02.640 sure there's been discussions about doing it sure there's been experiments in the lab to do it but

01:11:07.820 it's not being done right now it's like okay so now you're admitting that you have plans to do it

01:11:14.340 and you've been trying to come up with a way to do it they said the only reason they're not doing it

01:11:20.500 is aluminum isn't cheap enough they said well there's no way we would have these chemicals

01:11:26.360 at such a a price point that would make this even feasible so it's like oh okay so you can't

01:11:33.200 find the money to do it that's that's your new thing now i'm not i'm not even saying this is

01:11:39.540 this is the way of asking for funding i i mean honestly and like i'm not even saying because i

01:11:47.460 never i was on the fence about this for the longest time but i'm just seeing them the debunkings that

01:11:55.460 are so unanimous these are bad debunkings it's just them focusing on one little thing or trying

01:12:01.020 to choose the worst expression of what people are saying which is usually like what the fuck is going

01:12:07.280 on with these planes what are you doing here's what i think it is i think you're experimenting

01:12:11.480 with geoengineering i think this is tied in with climate change i think you've been pushing a

01:12:18.160 narrative of climate change so you can do this and i don't think it would be even the most

01:12:23.560 complicated thing in the world to do that's all they've been saying the entire time and then

01:12:29.000 they're saying well yeah i mean it would be a good idea if we could it's like i'm used to say

01:12:34.060 was insane now now it's become it's moved from insane to just not feasible yeah we're we we're

01:12:40.620 not doing it what we wish that we were doing it yeah and i kind of talked about that with morgoth

01:12:48.060 in the interview which you can hear at the end of this episode where i said one of the most

01:12:53.020 interesting side effects of uh this sort of thing becoming being talked about for so long

01:12:59.660 as people just get sick of it and we're talking in reference like the world economic forum or the

01:13:05.100 surveillance state how readily people accept the deployment of more surveillance state you know

01:13:12.380 people people don't really get fired up about data collection people don't rise up against what they

01:13:18.700 know is coming in terms of surveillance and i honestly think it's because people are just tired

01:13:24.300 of talking about it just like with ufo disclosure like it's been decades and the it's when there's

01:13:32.460 no call to action there's nothing you can do about it it just becomes background noise

01:13:36.700 yeah to the point where even the people who would historically be interested in it they

01:13:41.740 don't want to talk about it and they think that anyone who does is just annoying now you know what

01:13:45.900 i mean but i that's what we do on this show i'm not afraid to return to this stuff and say like

01:13:52.780 hey where we have chemtrails oh it turns out that they're they're actually getting ready to tell if

01:13:57.660 they came out tomorrow and said that they were spraying chemtrails in the sky how many people

01:14:03.580 on our side of things would be outraged none of them you would have more people on the dissident

01:14:11.260 right whatever you want to call this thing this thing of ours saying that you know what they

01:14:15.580 probably had good reasons no damn time i'm not against chemtrails in principle yeah we're gonna

01:14:21.180 gonna be we're gonna be arguing over the recipe that they're using and how they can improve it

01:14:25.300 oh we're gonna be pissed off that they outsource the creation of india or something yeah like are

01:14:31.400 you serious you got your silver iodide from bangladesh like i thought we were supposed to

01:14:35.820 be reshoring what the fuck it is so funny when i was talking to morgoth about this he was saying

01:14:40.780 that he gets dinged as a libertarian sometimes for complaining about you know surveillance state

01:14:46.160 or technocratic stuff because you're not allowed to think that's bad and i made the case that

01:14:51.920 look at palantir now palantir is run by peter teal who is a gay transhumanist jew so that's

01:14:59.400 kind of a perfect cocktail of hateable things to get people riled up on our side and i was just

01:15:03.900 saying if palantir was run by a straight white protestant it would still be bad you know i mean

01:15:12.040 the thing that's bad it's worse that's run by that type of guy but if it was run by a fucking

01:15:18.440 straight-laced mormon i don't pick the type of guy you think would be terrible it would still

01:15:22.640 be bad in and of itself you know you know what though you have to admit that that is not a

01:15:28.480 commonly shared opinion dimes there are plenty i would i would not be surprised if the majority

01:15:33.880 people in the milieu that you and i swim in would strongly disagree with the statement you just made

01:15:40.060 they would that it really is the people that are in control of the apparatus that make the

01:15:44.920 difference not the the thing itself yeah and i'm noticing that more and more lately that i think we

01:15:52.320 have nuanced opinions on things but you can't you know the one example i think i gave this on the

01:15:59.340 interview but i've said it elsewhere too where um you know i was getting into not a debate but

01:16:06.320 back and forth with a couple of guys who were on the show before from the book club panel

01:16:11.680 theron and fancy two guys i greatly respect but we were discussing the the this word peasant

01:16:20.320 they're saying that um and they're kind of accurate when they say this that there's certain

01:16:26.000 people who they treat sort of conspiracies they treat ideas like talisman or you know i'm trying

01:16:35.120 to think of a good way to describe this it's the idea of like here's the example was like books

01:16:42.240 now there's people who read books because they have a thirst for knowledge and there's people

01:16:47.520 who just buy books because that's what smart people do or you have a home library because

01:16:53.280 you know smart people have home libraries and so i'm gonna have books maybe you read them maybe you

01:16:57.040 don't but it's like you're trying to signal that you you're just you you have an appreciation of

01:17:03.120 like the status of the thing but you don't actually understand what it is and so there's

01:17:08.880 someone that said that's like peasant thinking and i was arguing against that and i said

01:17:13.360 well you know that's that's hate using the word classist but usually when you say peasant what

01:17:18.880 do you mean you mean lower class the approximation in the modern day would be a blue collar worker

01:17:26.880 a man who a general laborer right but i'm like you know these people don't do these sorts of

01:17:33.040 things it's kind of like the upper middle class strivers that do that like i don't think

01:17:39.360 quote unquote lower class people are so possessed by these sorts of conspiracies that's actually

01:17:45.920 what people like us do you find like over-educated or over-researched or like guys who got who spend

01:17:53.600 too much time talking about this yeah we tend to become possessed by this idea that there is just

01:18:00.320 a pyramid of conspiracies and there's one group at the top or they i think the claim was that

01:18:07.120 they'll treat social phenomena like superstition peasants are superstitious and they have a

01:18:12.240 superstitious understanding of politics like maybe maybe you could even say that though q anon but

01:18:17.840 they would say that oh the belief that there's elite pedophiles that's sort of a superstitious

01:18:23.120 thing but i said you know that's not incorrect though that's not like the i i say the conspiracy

01:18:32.000 theorists have a better batting average than almost anyone and like i said before yes they're

01:18:37.700 excesses and sometimes their predictions can get a little wild but more often than not on a long

01:18:43.900 enough timeline they're proven right and furthermore who gives a if i'm not arguing like

01:18:48.840 against them because they just they're referring to a thing that they heard that they kind of

01:18:52.380 thought sounded good but i said let's say people do just buy libraries and fill them with books

01:18:57.320 they don't read who gives a fuck but who's that hurting that's reflective that our society

01:19:02.760 says literacy is important and also i just want to hang on the library thing just for a second

01:19:08.620 because if you want to call people that do that peasants this is just an insecure nerd projecting

01:19:15.540 because actual peasants like what we said like a real peasant today poor uneducated working class

01:19:21.780 people who don't you can say they don't understand how the world works they're not plugged in okay

01:19:25.620 they don't actually have a library full of books just for signaling that's what your your friend

01:19:31.120 who's dumb does like but he's in your class he's one of you and you don't like him and you're

01:19:35.380 uncomfortable with that so you're trying to shove him off down into another lower class instead of

01:19:39.740 accepting the fact that the people that do that are in your personal circle and nowhere else

01:19:44.200 they're actually just your friends and that's what i was saying like like this sort of describes us

01:19:49.040 but i i don't it's us i i admit that like we're we're in that class i i wouldn't consider myself

01:19:54.800 that type of person but i would never look at like working class people's like oh those stupid rubes

01:19:58.560 with their libraries full of leather-bound books they'll never read no that's us

01:20:03.360 i remember even theron he was saying like dude i'm a peasant like he was saying that yeah

01:20:07.520 i'm like i get that but let's just call it something else but this falls into like the

01:20:12.320 hobbit versus elf thing or you know i mean like saying that what they're trying to get is the

01:20:18.000 the idea of superstition and but i get what they're kind of grasping at there it is just it

01:20:23.180 describes something like q anon or there there is sort of like a you'll notice something political

01:20:29.440 they don't like and then someone comes in and says yeah actually that's the antichrist that's

01:20:34.460 the antichrist at work i hate the antichrist do you do you do you hate the antichrist no you don't

01:20:41.240 the antichrist is a really really specific thing actually yeah you can't just say the antichrist

01:20:46.160 is whatever stuff you don't like you can't just say the antichrist is hillary clinton i'm sympathetic

01:20:51.520 to it as a meme as a christian i just i kind of roll over because it's a funny meme you know

01:20:57.760 there's like the i hate the antichrist you went helmet thing but yeah i mean let's not actually

01:21:01.920 have a serious conversation about it because none of this is peter thiel is not actually the

01:21:05.680 antichrist okay if he was he's too obvious he's not the antichrist no they don't like him enough

01:21:10.320 he's he's universally hated yeah the whole idea of the antichrist is that you don't really see

01:21:15.280 it coming it's almost too perfect right like you're gonna you'll probably make a stronger case

01:21:19.680 for barack obama the antichrist i mean look i'm not you know what never mind i'm not even going

01:21:24.320 to theologize because i'm i i would like you to i would like you to i just want to like underscore

01:21:29.200 the thing you just said which is that everyone in the world says peter thiel is weird and

01:21:35.760 unlikable and he's like a caricature of what an antichrist would look like and he's not bad at it

01:21:41.600 so i don't think i'm not saying he isn't a villain he's obviously a huge threat and a huge

01:21:45.680 villain but he's not the antichrist the antichrist is going to be somebody that most of us especially

01:21:49.940 particularly unbelievers accept he's going to be a like a cultural folk hero that everybody loves

01:21:55.440 that's he has to be have some kind of a christ-like quality he's a fake christ right so it would be

01:22:00.900 closer to a bruce springsteen it could literally look it's more likely to be fucking bruce springsteen

01:22:05.860 look honestly elon musk is a better antichrist than peter thiel and i like you i like elon a

01:22:12.200 little bit and that's why he's a better that's kind of the point that's the fucking point is

01:22:16.460 you start believing in him and you're missing the point that this guy is leading you astray yeah

01:22:21.840 yeah and again just to clarify i'm not trying to dredge up a debate it was just i see this stuff

01:22:27.840 all the time people trying to like stratify the classes of discourse or something or say that's

01:22:35.000 like a small minded way of looking at it from this is what i talked about in the last vanguard's

01:22:39.460 journal article which i'm not going to recite here but i i think the types of people who are

01:22:44.780 very well researched and not uneducated and they they're very connected politically they're more

01:22:51.180 prone to try and find the conspiratorial pyramid and place one at the top that everything beneath

01:22:56.980 it is answerable to so i mean that's i wouldn't even call that a peasant i was going to make

01:23:02.980 that you know what i was going to make that point i was leaving it but you just essentially said

01:23:05.660 what i wanted to say it's and i was i have a mistrust of people who look at something that

01:23:11.640 clearly does not have an easy explanation and instead of just saying you know we can leave

01:23:17.240 that alone this is a thing we don't understand this is a large thing we can maybe even be a

01:23:22.080 little bit mystical about it if we want and just say some larger pattern is at work here and we

01:23:27.380 need to be wary of it but no we have to fucking explain it we have to analyze it you're going to

01:23:32.480 start filling in blanks you have three out of 100 data points and you're going to give me the

01:23:36.440 fucking answer no no you want to call it aliens or you want to call it the cia or you don't want

01:23:41.860 to call it god or whatever or you want to deny that any of it is happening just because you

01:23:45.940 don't have the data like can we just i think that the most important thing i'm proud of having

01:23:51.460 practiced this is to just say i have no fucking idea what is going on and i am terrified okay

01:23:58.620 i would rather just not know and then you know check how many bullets are in the magazine so

01:24:05.940 that i can you know i i don't you don't know buddy don't act like you know yeah and of course

01:24:11.960 we're not trying to say that israel and zionists do not have a very like a strange no no of course

01:24:20.380 but when i read about things like uh neurotechnology and neurological warfare i don't know if that

01:24:27.260 would fall under fifth generational warfare or sixth generational warfare but we covered an entire

01:24:31.180 book of essays on it uh the idea that um you can wage neurological warfare through propaganda but

01:24:39.220 also through chemicals release and the idea isn't to brainwash people or to you know make them make

01:24:46.140 an entire population completely inert but just this is kind of the idea behind covid which is

01:24:51.280 like well what if you could reduce the productive capacity of the target nation by 15 it's like

01:24:58.700 for kind of yeah for seven months yeah you can work within that if you can make everyone

01:25:03.960 10 lazier or drowsier that could be that could mean victory and you could do that it's wide

01:25:11.120 threat it's non-lethal anyway we did a whole thing on this but i'm like i you can say that

01:25:17.860 jews are responsible for the nuclear bomb that's what the film oppenheimer was about too but we've

01:25:24.140 been saying for a long time okay i haven't seen any evidence that they're directly responsible

01:25:28.900 for neurological warfare that just seems to be a consequence of the military industrial complex

01:25:34.540 which again wasn't driven by jews you could say that's driven primarily by the american empire

01:25:40.620 yes of course but i can't lay that at the feet of jews and i don't like it i don't like neurological

01:25:45.980 warfare i don't like playing with people's fucking minds i think that's dystopian and

01:25:50.600 nightmarish but that seems to be independent of the jewish lobby in america that actually seems

01:25:57.700 to be like the the military industrial complex in america it actually just seems to be where all

01:26:02.280 the white guys actually hang out you know i mean like all like they have the fucking generals and

01:26:07.120 shit like that but they're the ones who are driving this so and if that's bad that can be

01:26:12.300 that independent of the zionist lobby or jewish bankers and stuff that's all i'm saying and that's

01:26:19.340 just one of many mind-bending problems that are facing us and some people don't want to look at

01:26:25.260 that and i get that because it can be too much but i i just keep that on the table let's just

01:26:31.580 let's just remember all of the problems facing us because then they become manageable but if

01:26:37.340 you start blaming one group for everything it just it gets silly we didn't get to one of the

01:26:44.460 things i wanted to cover today but we will get to this book that i wanted to cover this book

01:26:52.620 this is continuing on the arc that we've been on about canadian sovereignty canadian sovereignty

01:27:00.060 clashing with american expansionism and we discussed this last time with the fight for

01:27:05.980 canada when we discussed it it was mainly about military and diplomatic pressures facing canada

01:27:13.900 and how america from the very beginning wanted to absorb canada or the canadian territories

01:27:22.620 and this one focuses more on the corporate efforts this is titled silent surrender the

01:27:30.140 multinational corporation in canada this is by carrie levitt this was first published in 1970

01:27:39.180 a lot of these books that i've been reading recently are from the 60s and 70s so they might

01:27:45.660 come across as dated but i still find them illustrative of what we're talking about

01:27:51.740 and there's a case to be made i don't think it's a strong case but there's a case we made that with

01:27:58.460 under mark carney and uh the liberal leadership of canada that there is we are distancing ourselves

01:28:06.140 from america somewhat and let me just ask you this based on what you've seen do you think that's true

01:28:10.740 do you think we're really distancing and yeah for real what do you think about that what's your

01:28:16.080 opinion um i'm kind i'm kind of torn i wish i wish we had a better neighbor i think you have

01:28:27.960 politically the best thing for us is to trade with the united states but the united states is

01:28:33.600 actually not a good trading partner they're not a trustworthy nation they never have been they've

01:28:37.720 always been taking advantage of us and exploiting us and i think it probably not that we should

01:28:42.880 stop trading i think we should seek the best trade deal we can get with the u.s even if that means

01:28:47.400 you know sucking a bit of dick maybe that's what we have to do but in the same way that trump is

01:28:51.920 sucking chinese dick right now and at the same time he's going to look for a new source of rare

01:28:56.000 metals we should probably be laying you know bending over for the americans temporarily

01:29:01.120 so that we can get a breather so that we can try to rework our entire trade system

01:29:06.320 exclusively with asia and europe and after 10 years of reworking it we can finally actually

01:29:11.920 tell the us to off forever yeah because you know a lot of what they're talking about here in leading

01:29:19.520 up to the 90s in early 2000s even they said you know canada is a complete vassal state to america

01:29:26.000 And I think now more than ever, we're seeing decoupling from America.

01:29:32.340 And I don't know what shape that's going to take in the coming years.

01:29:36.520 But fuck, Mark Carney can be prime minister for 20 years.

01:29:40.140 I don't know.

01:29:40.420 We don't have rules against that shit.

01:29:42.060 So let's see.

01:29:44.500 But what's funny is that most of these books are written by, you can consider them liberals.

01:29:52.300 These are not far right books.

01:29:53.840 um and many of the examples that they have in there like we're going to get to one next time

01:29:59.540 it's uh called the vanishing country it's clearly written by a liberal um and he's describing it's

01:30:08.540 like we don't want to become too close to america because they don't believe in climate change

01:30:12.000 they don't believe them i'm like they don't believe in multiculturalism intolerance like

01:30:17.900 we do it's like okay okay yeah and they said that what did he say well i'll get into more detail

01:30:25.760 when we cover it but he was saying that um annex the people pushing annexation by america are far

01:30:34.960 right and he was saying like jean chretchen was a far right radical just like because he defines

01:30:42.440 far right is just economic libertarianism but then you can tell this is written by just a

01:30:47.880 some pot-smoking pinko commie liberal as my dad used to say um hero was going to jump right in

01:30:55.000 this book in an interview in the centennial canada issue of the country's leading magazine mclean's

01:31:02.600 then prime minister conceded that canada was indeed a political satellite of the united states

01:31:09.000 in discussing canada's position on the war in vietnam mr pearson that was the prime minister

01:31:15.000 in question warned that we can't ignore the fact that the first result of any open breach with the

01:31:19.400 united states over vietnam which their government considers to be unfair would be more a more

01:31:24.360 critical examination by washington of certain special aspects of our relationship the links

01:31:29.560 of trade referred to by mr pearson in large part arise from the operations of american-based

01:31:35.400 corporations in canada there are manifestations of a new mercantilism of corporate empires which

01:31:42.260 cut across boundaries of national economies and undermine the national sovereignty of the

01:31:47.900 hinterland countries in which their subsidiaries and branch plants are located for canada the

01:31:54.940 concern about the degree of control exercised by the u.s uh in former corporations was first

01:32:01.700 expressed when the euphoria engendered by the boom of the 1950s was followed by three years

01:32:07.680 during which per capita income didn't rise at all at the same time u.s economic control

01:32:12.960 continued to grow and there was a dramatic series of purchases of canadian businesses especially

01:32:18.720 old established businesses expressions of concern however were limited to a handful of public

01:32:23.980 personalities largely dismissed with scorn by business government and the academic community

01:32:30.880 so this was during a period in the 50s where there was a massive expansion of

01:32:38.080 not only american corporations setting up what they term branch plants in canada but also either

01:32:45.120 buying up corporations or taking a significant stakeholder position in them and allowing

01:32:51.280 american ceos to run them now these numbers have ebbed and flowed over the years the numbers cited

01:32:58.560 here are probably bigger than what they are now but the issues remains that you know it's

01:33:07.920 specifically through corporate control and you know the larger argument it gets to later or

01:33:13.520 i didn't care it might be a guy or a girl i don't know what was that the the multinational corporation

01:33:21.440 is was not generated within canada we didn't come up with it we had a different type of

01:33:26.560 mercantilism in here we liked more european style of businesses we like small businesses but we

01:33:33.200 liked these public corporations the idea of just a huge multinational corporation was sort of an

01:33:40.160 alien concept to us and it it's probably not the natural way to do business in a nation like this

01:33:48.480 which has so few people and it's so far spread out you need a different type of economy up here

01:33:54.000 and so that's saying that we it was inevitable once we started allowing these corporations in

01:33:59.120 that they would just steamroll and dominate everything so he says economists have become

01:34:06.080 increasingly vexed by internal consistencies and the credibility gap between their textbook

01:34:11.520 propositions and the reality of the contemporary economic and polity the recent authors of the

01:34:18.960 The authors of a recent study of international trade, international migration of U.S. industry

01:34:23.100 concluded that neither the theory of the firm nor the theory of international capital movements

01:34:28.260 has much to offer an explanation of managerial decisions and investment facilities abroad.

01:34:34.020 The central thesis of our argument is that the subsidiaries and branch plants of large

01:34:40.340 American-based multinational corporations have replaced the operations of the earlier

01:34:45.400 european-based mercantile venture companies and extracting the staple and organizing the supply

01:34:51.460 of manufactured goods in this new mercantilism as is in the old the corporation based in the

01:34:59.040 metropole directly exercises the entrepreneurial function and collects a venture profit from its

01:35:04.960 investment canada was discovered explored and developed as part of the french and later british

01:35:11.140 mercantile system it grew to independence and nationhood in a brief historical era in which

01:35:16.820 goods capital and people moved in response to economic forces in uh free international markets

01:35:23.140 present day canada may i love this line president canada may be described as the world's richest

01:35:29.460 underdeveloped country and so that's that's one of the themes of the book that this is a

01:35:35.380 economic system that might not even benefit canada and this is a point i made in the

01:35:43.620 vanguard journal article which is forget the government siding with you for ethnic nationalism

01:35:52.020 they won't even side with you for civic nationalism the idea that canada ought to

01:35:58.180 exert pressures internationally or have some internal consistency when it comes to

01:36:05.380 national sovereignty that threatens the current system which is that we want to

01:36:11.320 make ourselves attractive for foreign capital now that's shifting against america but

01:36:17.480 maybe not china maybe not europe like it does canada does does our does our state have an

01:36:28.080 interest in exerting any sort of national sovereignty or does it just want to be attractive

01:36:32.000 to investment it we've soured on america but are we just up for sale to anyone and the argument

01:36:39.280 in the book is that we've been selling off our nation wholesale for generations

01:36:48.080 and as much as a pivot mark carney might represent i don't think it's that substantial

01:36:55.040 because i've read his policy for what he wants to do for canada strong and a big part of it is still

01:37:01.120 making canada very friendly to direct investment on the world stage and that includes real estate

01:37:07.400 that includes corporations that includes public institutions includes fucking everything

01:37:11.740 there's it is your national sovereignty a higher priority to this class of people

01:37:20.980 than a deal to be made is is that is the question like and what what would they how much

01:37:29.720 national sovereignty would they sacrifice to prop up the gdp that's really and that ties

01:37:37.220 into mass migration as well you know mass migration is falling out of favor with them

01:37:42.940 slightly because it's just become too toxic but you know selling your fucking factories off to

01:37:49.940 china no one gets no one's raped by that yet right uh it says there's a widely held belief

01:37:59.780 that canada needs foreign investment because the country is quote capital hungry and domestic

01:38:06.580 savings are inadequate to finance expansion while it may be advantageous to borrow portfolio capital

01:38:12.660 which does not transfer control there's no conclusive case for the view that foreign direct

01:38:18.260 investment constitutes the only way in which sufficient savings can be mobilized in fact the

01:38:24.100 inflow of direct investments funds the the direct investment funds constitutes a small fraction of

01:38:30.500 the total gross national savings in 1965 for example which is the year of relatively heavy

01:38:36.340 foreign investment the flow of new funds in the canadian subsidiaries was 500 million or less than

01:38:42.340 five percent of the total canadian domestic savings so really what they're saying there is

01:38:48.820 there's a misconception that we need money flowing in just to support ourselves or there

01:38:55.620 there was a time when we could have done this ourself and we're gonna get into this more

01:39:01.380 on the next episode but there's so many cases of where america has like handicapped us

01:39:08.820 you want to remember this one of our earliest episodes the avro arrow yeah that's a classic

01:39:17.460 did you want to give a brief just a recollection of that because i mean i've gone over it so many

01:39:24.420 times but the the very very broad strokes is that we at the time had and i'm not saying it was the

01:39:30.900 greatest project ever but we had a cutting edge project for a jet it was completely developed

01:39:36.100 within canada and through some political finagling with the us we were convinced to shut the project

01:39:41.780 down and then under our noses american companies branch plants effectively went in bought all of

01:39:49.060 the patents bought all of the jets all of the technology they brought it over to the us and

01:39:54.180 then they essentially burned it so that they could have total control of the market and the

01:39:59.620 the only reason i bring it up all the time because not because it's supposed to be this

01:40:03.060 great canadian heroic story because honestly the everywhere it might have sucked if we actually had

01:40:07.460 produced it but the point is it would have been hours those that would have been our money and

01:40:11.220 our jobs and our production facilities in canada right they do this they have been doing this with

01:40:17.460 every one of our industries for generations yeah it's big industries too um here's an example it

01:40:25.140 says an instructive example of unsuccessful american intervention against strongly organized

01:40:30.580 canadian interests was provided by the mercantile bank affair in this instance a sharply worded

01:40:36.740 diplomatic protest was delivered to auto informing the canadian government that's banking legislation

01:40:41.940 was unacceptable to the government of the united states neither this intervention nor the threat

01:40:48.020 by american commercial banks to withdraw clearing facilities from canadian banks was successful in

01:40:53.620 securing entry for the first national city bank into the canadian banking system they wanted to

01:40:58.820 bring a new bank into canada citibank had purchased a controlling interest in the mercantile bank of

01:41:04.820 canada after being warned that canadian banking legislation will not permit the acquired bank

01:41:10.020 to be expanded into a larger operation sovereignty is not compatible with branch plant status

01:41:16.660 the greater the degree of foreign ownership and control of canadian industry the narrower the

01:41:22.260 freedom of choice and economic as well as political affairs and we're citing canada as

01:41:27.860 the main example here this is true across the world you know foreign investment in anything

01:41:33.620 and it doesn't need to be america if this was the saudis if this was russia china it doesn't

01:41:40.260 fucking matter you know it just turns out that it's mostly been america doing it but

01:41:46.420 the truth holds that if you are actually especially for a country like canada which is

01:41:52.260 such an expansive land mass and up until recently relatively low i would say normal but others would

01:41:58.500 say low population that's very very spread out there's only a few key like urban areas

01:42:07.300 the landscape for business is radically different than in the uk where everything is much much more

01:42:13.380 congested even in the rural countryside same thing with america so you can you can only have

01:42:19.780 certain types of companies here i think but that means they're there if you start selling those off

01:42:26.260 it doesn't take a lot to sell off before everything's gone and you're completely

01:42:32.260 controlled by a foreign entity which of from that point on can rig up whatever contracts

01:42:41.060 needs whatever trade agreements so you've got a foreign you know it's not even like they need to

01:42:46.580 pull the levers of a giant machine and say okay we have these ceos that are a elite allied to a

01:42:53.460 foreign entity like you say about jews too if you want to and now they staff all the business

01:42:58.260 councils and the business councils advise the prime minister so it's it's a couple degrees

01:43:04.100 removed from just you know mad villainy but it's the same effect largely uh he goes here

01:43:11.460 Here, efforts to discourage takeovers or to repatriate some of the foreign-controlled sectors of Canadian industry are widely regarded as misguided nationalism, likely to benefit greedy and lazy Canadian capitalists at the expense of the consumer.

01:43:27.960 This is what I was saying where a lot of academia and the business class, they agitate against nationalism for this reason.

01:43:35.420 Using the apparatus of standard textbooks, Canada's economists have long argued the case for the unrestricted flow of goods, capital, and people between the two countries.

01:43:46.480 They have, in the main, opted for continentalism against economic nationalism.

01:43:53.320 For a decade or more, Professor Johnson led the crusade against Canada's nationalists.

01:43:58.440 despite the glaring gap between contemporary economic theory and reality there's an evident

01:44:04.980 reluctance on the part of economists to undertake major renovations of an intellectual apparatus of

01:44:10.300 elegance and academically accredited validity there's no doubt that the construction of a new

01:44:15.780 political economy and this is what i like that the book was getting at it was discussing

01:44:19.580 ideas and solutions as big as we need an entirely new political economy for canada and anyway i

01:44:29.560 think that's the discussion that we could have continuing on here is going to be an intellectually

01:44:33.640 messy and very difficult task doing this political economy the prime difficulty lies in the fact that

01:44:39.380 despite all the efforts of positivists and econometricians to sweep its valuations under the

01:44:45.680 rug the discipline of economics remains deeply rooted in the utilitarian calculus of pleasure

01:44:51.560 and pain and the victorian myth of the harmony of interest so they call back to you know the

01:45:01.420 former economic or mercantile system being i think it would be more if not state run than state funded

01:45:09.520 now what do you think about that like what do you think do you think let's say just canada need

01:45:16.280 more homegrown corporations or would we return to again more european model where maybe there is

01:45:24.040 more state funding and state control for some of these very very large industries let's say mining

01:45:29.900 let's say tech development you wouldn't get something like a silicon valley without government

01:45:35.840 investment in that framework i don't like state control of corporations and it's not because i

01:45:42.060 don't like the state for trying to protect the interests of the nation it's just because the

01:45:48.340 state sucks at it they're objectively bad at it anybody who thinks the state's capable of running

01:45:53.020 a corporation should jump in the pit voluntarily because they're retarded they can't do it but we

01:45:58.200 should we should have our own corporations and the reason we should have corporation our own

01:46:02.560 corporations is as you said this myth that we need outside investment and we take the outside

01:46:07.940 investment but that's a two-way street once you get the outside investment the money and the product

01:46:13.140 and the ip and everything else eventually leaves and you're left with nothing you you've now been

01:46:17.920 exploited so you wait you play the long game you know the time preference game and you you do the

01:46:25.260 internal investment and what that results in is more jobs and more wealth and more ip and more

01:46:32.320 industry and you have larger families and all of the things that these other nations have we could

01:46:36.540 have it too if we had our own corporations i think that the role of the state is to keep the branch

01:46:42.020 plants out and to encourage the growth of our own local corporations but not not to not to do it

01:46:48.220 themselves like we should have tons of mining here the job of the state should be to steamroll

01:46:52.940 the fucking greens and aboriginals aboriginals out of the way so that the mining companies can

01:46:56.920 do their job yeah we talked about this last time with uh you said the ring of fire ring of fire

01:47:01.940 yeah like i i don't like look what's i guarantee you what's going to happen is eventually enough

01:47:06.580 money is going to get in there that the government is going to steamroll the aboriginals aboriginals

01:47:10.900 out of the way and they're going to do it because the chinese gave them a trillion dollars and

01:47:15.540 they're going to line their pockets and then the chinese are going to mine the ring of fire and

01:47:18.820 they're going to use it against the u.s and then the u.s is going to stop us for letting the chinese

01:47:22.820 in and we're going to be caught between mom and dad fighting again yeah it should just be us mining

01:47:27.700 it and then we can sell it to whoever we want but until our government hangs it's not going to

01:47:32.420 happen yeah the chinese have been buying up or just funneling money into these aboriginal reserves

01:47:39.080 it's like yeah that was such an obvious pain point too i'm surprised they didn't do it sooner maybe

01:47:46.180 they were um continuing on here says it can in an economic in an excellent survey rather in an

01:47:53.080 excellent survey article on the staple theory of economic growth. Professor M.H. Watkins notes

01:47:59.700 that the decline in the influence of Innes, Harold Innes, in Canada has been paralleled by the rising

01:48:05.360 interest in his theories among Americans. What is more, Innes was the chronological antecedent

01:48:11.060 of the Latin American economists in developing a metropolis periphery approach to American

01:48:18.820 staple economies the old mercantilism which began with european colonization

01:48:24.020 and exploration at the end of the 15th century gave birth to a new world of the americas canada's

01:48:30.260 contemporary problems cannot be understood without the dimension of historical perspective

01:48:35.620 any more than can structural problems of latin america or those of the caribbean plantation

01:48:41.060 economies in canada the large centralized organizations characteristic of the fur trade

01:48:46.660 had their political counterpart in centralization and bureaucratic government the paternalism of

01:48:52.420 old france was reinforced by the fur trade throughout history canada has been an economic

01:48:57.460 satellite of both britain and the united states and that that's a hard truth that's an uncomfortable

01:49:03.460 truth but even in the last episode we talked about how even within that conflict between

01:49:08.340 america and britain can i think really think canada found its identity in between that conflict or

01:49:15.300 asserting itself against at times both entities if you're including quebec in that and i i think

01:49:24.980 that conflict could help forge a canadian identity now like if you just chose not to make yourself an

01:49:31.620 economic zone and chose to act like you know the more i talk about mark carney i don't love mark

01:49:36.900 carney but i kind of do like that they're standing up to america and it's making everyone suffer we're

01:49:43.780 paying higher prices for things but but what else what else do you it's not enough of course

01:49:51.340 but it is something would you agree or am i just way off yeah yeah yeah no i agree because if not

01:49:58.820 that just telling america to go fuck itself once in a while and okay yes you're trying to broker

01:50:04.060 new deals with other nations but like what do you want them just acquiesce immediately no

01:50:09.720 fuck off well it's gonna suck for a while but it's gonna have to suck because we become so

01:50:15.760 riddled with cancer you know like make ourselves uninvestable i don't give a shit just get these

01:50:23.400 motherfuckers out of here yep like we don't we all canada does is make american cars and

01:50:30.140 cars from other countries you don't make a single thing here ourselves we're just again that's where

01:50:35.980 branch plant comes from think of the automotive sector that employs so many canadians so he says

01:50:46.220 he kind of builds on that and says the imperatives of modern technology increase both the amount of

01:50:51.340 capital committed and the time for which is committed further the commitment of time and

01:50:56.140 money tends to be ever more specific to a given task contrary to the postulates of economic

01:51:02.540 doctrine it follows that the initiative in deciding what is produced comes not from the

01:51:06.720 sovereign consumer who issues instructions to the market but rather from the great producing

01:51:12.560 organization which reaches forward to control the markets that it presumes to serve it's well known

01:51:17.440 that personal savings are a relatively unimportant source of finance compared with the internal

01:51:22.760 savings of business so he's just saying there that you know the american traditional american

01:51:31.500 model of this would be like you know the customer is always right the consumer creates the demand

01:51:36.060 and the demand is serviced by the business uh they're saying that well the demand oftentimes

01:51:40.940 is driven by these large corporations that have the foresight to open up markets and dominate

01:51:46.460 markets and kind of create the products that people buy it's not bottom up it is more top down

01:51:52.380 i can find examples of both frankly but really what he's saying is what canada needs

01:52:00.140 is uh for its new political economy is if not multinational corporations then businesses at

01:52:07.420 scale you need something at the size of a multinational corporation at least because

01:52:14.780 and maybe maybe you push back on this if you feel it but i i don't think you can really contend

01:52:21.980 against multinational corporations with just small businesses you know even if they work together

01:52:28.060 right no no no you have to have that like that's what i'm saying about using the power of the

01:52:32.860 state like you would at least want to have something the size of a national corporation

01:52:36.620 not one that's run by the one by the government but it's run by the nation it's like essentially

01:52:41.180 a national monopoly but it's a monopoly not because of state interference but because it

01:52:46.060 is a very strong corporation and it has a natural monopoly and then beyond that the state should get

01:52:51.020 involved and the government should get involved and say you know we're literally going to use

01:52:55.740 our police and our military to keep everybody else out we're gonna tilt the scale so that it's this

01:53:01.660 this major national corporation that always wins yeah because if you open it up if you

01:53:06.540 want to play free trade with it like i'm all for the the concept that it's very lovely you know

01:53:11.180 like the the concept of socialism is lovely on paper the concept of free trade is lovely on

01:53:16.220 paper so long as your nation your neighbors are nice but what always happens is your neighbors

01:53:20.700 use larger neighbors use the trade as an opportunity to to weaponize the trade they

01:53:28.020 weaponize business investment in order to exploit your resources so you can't do it you could like

01:53:33.300 the america the only place on the earth that on earth that can actually have free trade really is

01:53:37.940 the united states if they wanted to because they can they're always on the on the winning side of

01:53:42.520 that argument exactly um i'm always thinking back to that book we covered free trade doesn't work

01:53:49.460 or global trade doesn't work and said like there's really only a handful of companies that

01:53:53.720 actually participate in free trade free trade within a within a walled city works yeah as long

01:53:59.800 as you have if you have a consistent consistent labor and consistent controls within that

01:54:04.420 environment you can have free trade within that environment yeah i got into a debate that made me

01:54:09.460 sound like a libertarian capitalist because i was defending capitalism for a moment where um it was

01:54:16.480 some it was one of those effective or altruistic accelerationist guys the eacc ones and uh he was

01:54:24.360 defending offshoring jobs and he'd said the thing you've heard a hundred times before where he said

01:54:30.160 you know no one here was willing to work the job for the least amount of price and under capitalism

01:54:37.300 i'm supposed to find the person who's going to do the best job for the least possible uh amount of

01:54:43.900 money and i said well no you can't keep just blaming the markets like capitalism to me it's

01:54:51.280 that you're operating within a market and within that market you're trying to locate you know the

01:54:57.160 best job and pay everyone is sort of competing for the most most pay against i want to go at least

01:55:04.320 of course it's a negotiation is a transaction but i said it's not necessarily the role of capitalism

01:55:10.160 to crack open new slave classes internationally capitalism is a fucking economic system it's not

01:55:18.100 a political system capitalism is a system that provides for the wealth of a nation but it's

01:55:24.500 downstream from the nation the first question is how do we organize the nation what is important

01:55:29.600 what are our goals your goal isn't money if your goal is just money you're just a fucking jew dude

01:55:33.680 i'm sorry if your goal is just money you've turned capitalism from an economic system into a political

01:55:38.860 or a spiritual system and you are you're fucking wrong and you don't belong here okay that was

01:55:44.800 what milton freeman was always advocating for because yeah but milton freeman was a fucking

01:55:48.600 jew though exactly that's what i'm saying he was a jewish he's very popular libertarians because he

01:55:54.240 was proselytizing about how there should be no borders we should just have international free

01:56:00.720 trade and let the invisible hand of the globalist market decide and most capitalists probably

01:56:07.480 wouldn't even agree with that you know i'm not even trying again i find myself defending capitalism

01:56:11.620 but i'm like you know the the market exists but you can control the borders of that market yeah

01:56:18.820 right but yeah and in this case it's like well why not just let international corporations come in

01:56:25.580 and this is just a level playing field but that's that's not the case because you need to start from

01:56:30.000 the position of what's best for my people so if you have sort of nationalist capitalism or any

01:56:36.640 political economy at all that's your first question is this the best for my people why is

01:56:41.980 direct investment from foreign countries good for my people it's good for a certain political class

01:56:48.340 and it's good to make line go up on certain graphs but you cannot make the argument that's actually

01:56:54.220 better for people and in fact i mean within these books when this one exactly it seems that

01:56:59.860 the first thing they do when they take over these companies is they destroy their competition they

01:57:05.160 put so many other canadian businesses out of work they conglomerate and they lay people off and start

01:57:09.880 hiring more americans like walmart for example this is a common thing now in canada it's essentially

01:57:14.840 it's over now because they've been doing it for 20 years but when walmart came in one of the first

01:57:18.360 things that they did is they would target local businesses that were competing with them and they

01:57:22.520 just lost lead like they would actually sell the competing product at a significant loss they would

01:57:28.200 be burning cash just so that they could sink local canadian businesses they did this across the board

01:57:34.120 in every province in canada they did it for decades and now most of those companies unless

01:57:38.900 they have a really really tight local market where they're more nimble than walmart because walmart

01:57:42.660 walmart actually fucking sucks their products are shit their prices are bad and they have

01:57:47.140 their inertia is so high that they just literally cannot they can't shift gears right so there's

01:57:53.480 some places that can compete but you're right that's what they do like they're they're absolute

01:57:57.820 you know it's dog eat dog with these motherfuckers yeah there's nothing sadder than a walmart

01:58:03.260 electronics section what are you doing yeah no one's in this yeah bitch um just to build on that

01:58:11.660 i know we gotta get going soon but i just wanted to say this he says oh while we have seen the

01:58:15.580 close relation between government and the economic aim of the multinational corporation an entirely

01:58:20.700 different set of effects and relationships prevails in the hinterland or host country

01:58:25.740 where the multinational corporations operate we have seen we now have a system of corporate empires

01:58:32.140 most of them centered in the united states they extend into the hinterland countries through

01:58:36.140 branch plants and subsidiaries is widely believed that countries benefit from metropolitan direct

01:58:42.540 investment because they thereby acquire entrepreneurship as well as funds the

01:58:47.020 entrepreneur operating in a well-developed branch plant economy is increasingly confronted with an

01:58:53.180 organizational institutional complex which presents him with a choice of either joining his resources

01:58:58.940 with the corporation as an employee or uh contenting himself in a very limited role

01:59:04.780 a branch plan economy dependent on imported technology is assured of a perpetual technological

01:59:12.300 backwardness vis-a-vis the metropolis furthermore dependence is addictive and the dynamics of

01:59:17.740 dependence are cumulative so what's he saying there what he's saying is that what canada became

01:59:22.460 was sort of a net exporter to the us of resources and most importantly a net importer of technology

01:59:31.260 that over the decades canada lost the ability to do r d basic r d it relied on research and

01:59:38.780 development from america so that makes you addicted to whatever technological development

01:59:45.340 comes from america you can't control it yourself and so you become even more beholden to

01:59:52.140 trade agreements that advantage america who basically controls the entire conversation on

02:00:00.140 mining and mineral exports and these basic extraction things like we we don't control

02:00:05.340 that conversation at all anymore uh which is unfortunate again maybe that changes in the

02:00:10.220 coming years but um how can you how can you have entrepreneurship at all within that framework

02:00:17.260 um so we'll just end on this i like this part it says the international corporations have

02:00:24.140 evidently declared ideological war on the antiquated nation state george grant's charge

02:00:31.100 we know george grant around here that materialism modernization and internationalism is the new

02:00:36.700 liberal creed of corporate capitalism is a valid one the implication is clear the nation state as

02:00:43.740 As a political unit of democratic decision-making must, in the interest of progress, yield control to the new mercantile mini powers.

02:00:51.400 The suggestion that countries might negotiate international agreements for the control of corporations has come from a number of sources.

02:00:58.880 The difficulties experienced by the U.S. government in imposing voluntary restraint on their corporations for balance of payments reasons indicate that, as Professor Miskell has said,

02:01:10.280 quote a rational solution achieved through international arrangements will not readily

02:01:15.020 be welcomed either by international business or by most sovereign states so you know what he's

02:01:21.060 saying there is that you know these corporations can operate independently and the the the host

02:01:27.720 nations don't necessarily need to rein them in even though they seem to be operating within

02:01:33.260 their interest in every single instance um now again this was written at a time when i think

02:01:42.220 corporations were still emerging it was still a new thing so the corporate model that's being

02:01:47.980 referred to here has changed slightly over the years um but i i don't think it's fundamentally

02:01:54.700 changed really um and you're seeing the emergence of something even more interesting especially we

02:02:00.940 mentioned palantir before you you had sort of an inversion where these corporations especially

02:02:06.620 silicon valley corporations especially these social media platforms where they began to

02:02:12.540 lead the conversation to their host countries right so the idea was that all these corporations

02:02:18.700 are acting within american interests the government's interests right but like meta

02:02:25.340 an alphabet it's like their act some by some trickery by by i guess under the nose of the

02:02:34.860 government they they began leading the conversation on research and development in totality which

02:02:41.020 means that in many instances it seems that the governments are just serving these corporations

02:02:46.380 and but are these corporations that beholden to american interests right so the idea was

02:02:52.540 that the corporation was just a conduit or a way to launder american influence and now the american

02:02:58.060 government is becoming a way to launder the influence of these corporations now i don't

02:03:04.860 does that sound like it could be the gays or am i just getting conspiratorial no no that's

02:03:09.420 reasonable man yeah so i don't know if that's better or worse it sounds worse to me but that

02:03:15.340 is the complete removal of nationalism from the conversation like what what is what does the

02:03:22.860 american interest sound like if not peter thiel's interest if not elon musk if not elon musk's

02:03:29.100 interest yes so anyway that's the end of that basically saying that um this was the story of

02:03:37.260 the mid to late 20th century um military expansionism was off the table diplomatic

02:03:45.900 expansionism was off the table it became corporate manifest destiny which again persisted up until

02:03:53.260 recently i i have no reason to believe it won't continue on in some form because i i don't know

02:03:59.100 that the canadian state has an interest in the type of nationalism that we're talking about i

02:04:06.380 i think it's a lot of elbows up and no no because one would say that okay what steps are you taking

02:04:13.980 to reassure our manufacturing to assert control as we just discussed over our mineral rights and

02:04:21.020 things like that i don't see any of that on the table in in light of c3 having just passed which

02:04:25.580 was just pure electioneering the canadian state only exists to our political elite insofar as it

02:04:31.380 is a tool for them to win elections and maintain a democratic mandate that's it that's it it's that

02:04:36.680 simple there is there's absolutely no thought it is is a it's a total afterthought they just have

02:04:42.940 to they have to at least appeal to us every couple of years in order to continue making money on the

02:04:50.300 company store that is canada that's a great place to end i know i've kept you for quite some time

02:04:56.000 uh great episode i'll talk to you next time yeah for real man i'll see you

02:05:01.380 oh boy here we are i'm very excited to have this guest who needs no introduction but he's

02:05:23.660 gonna get one anyway i'm gonna pull up your sub stack right here just so here we go i'm

02:05:30.760 talking to Morgoth who doesn't know Morgoth Morgoth and I go way back Morgoth is one of the original

02:05:39.060 friends of the show I'm going to start with that I'm going to start saying that Morgoth did

02:05:43.420 me a kindness the show a kindness quite some time ago he was one of the first guys

02:05:48.520 of consequence that shouted out blood satellite and a great many of our listeners came to us

02:05:55.640 from that endorsement so as i say morgoth is good with the house forever morgoth could come

02:06:03.800 up to me and he could carve his name in my forehead and i'd say great point may i have

02:06:11.320 another even i got a comment here that's that's lovely let me just pull this up from the chat

02:06:15.800 uh he says told my wife to watch told told my wife to watch the kid because dimes is interviewing

02:06:22.980 Morgoth and she said it sounds very important

02:06:25.080 why don't I try to explain that to somebody

02:06:29.240 in the real world

02:06:30.340 I say that to my wife

02:06:32.580 oh is he

02:06:34.680 Morgoth he sounds like an important guy

02:06:37.100 but he is

02:06:37.600 shut the fuck up he is you don't know

02:06:41.320 Morgoth isn't on

02:06:44.940 Selling Sunset so she doesn't know a lot

02:06:47.040 about that right now because that's all she's

02:06:49.040 into

02:06:49.380 people are asking Elosha is Judas in the house

02:06:52.960 for this one my co-host he is not he is driving to some god forsaken warehouse in canada i always

02:06:59.920 invite him to these but he can't make it he's got this he's got this job i cannot crowbar him away

02:07:05.980 from his responsibilities oh here we go all hail morgoth you there's a lot of great fans of morgoth

02:07:13.420 out there so yeah thank you i'm grateful to them all as well i'll never i always try to sort of

02:07:19.700 know give them give back to the give back to the team and all of that so it is it is nice

02:07:25.220 and i always recognize them as well you know even if you're just a little a little account on twitter

02:07:30.820 i were like 50 followers always knew the the regulars and all of that yeah and you've done

02:07:38.420 a great many favors for people over the years you're a rare breed a person and i'm having a

02:07:45.380 Devin Stack on in the coming weeks and you're always two that I think of where I think who

02:07:50.880 doesn't like these people because in this space myself included I'm a I got a big fucking mouth

02:07:56.980 I'm always talking mad shit and so you make enemies very easy in this space but you even

02:08:03.500 when you've had disagreements with people because you should because we're men we're all allowed to

02:08:07.960 disagree it's never fermented into a beef or a feud it seems which is increasingly rare especially

02:08:15.180 these days it sounds like I'm building him up it sounds like I'm inflating his head and I am I got

02:08:20.120 my Japanese fan out I'm fanning my face I'm getting the vapors just talking to him but we were we were

02:08:27.380 discussing something just before we went live and I'd love to jump into it and I believe you were

02:08:33.720 mentioning Keir Starmer did you want to we're talking I believe about these NGOs and over across

02:08:41.960 the pond where you are it would be hope not hate over where i'm at it would be the canada anti-hate

02:08:47.500 network and in the u.s it's like the sp there's a few in the u.s there's spLC among others but

02:08:53.020 we're talking about their relationship with the political apparatus and the government if you'd

02:08:58.960 like to kind of go to that well what i was sort of leading to was that you there was a thing that

02:09:06.900 happened with hope not hate where it is they went and infiltrated something that was going on on

02:09:11.880 continent and people the sort of the people on the right in in britain they then figured out that um

02:09:22.600 hope not hate must have had a fake passport which is illegal you're not allowed to do that

02:09:27.240 and so what where that uh what that meant was that they could go that led to directly to the

02:09:33.880 government and what i thought was funny was that nobody seemed to care the government didn't seem

02:09:39.080 to care they there wasn't they just and people put in freedom of information requests to find out

02:09:45.080 what was going on with this and it was all just ignored and it's it gets into this i think what

02:09:52.120 you've got what we've got in this country where the political formula doesn't really work anymore

02:09:57.800 and everybody can see through it but then they just double down on that and and push forward

02:10:03.560 with it anyway regardless and this is especially the case with kia starmer who just doesn't seem

02:10:12.200 to care about alienating anybody at all even his own base uh it's it's it's truly mind-blowing

02:10:20.280 where you've got this kind of it's screw your optics i'm going in but it's the it's like

02:10:27.240 the labor party or the prime minister um like it just it just doesn't matter one of the things

02:10:33.480 that one of the sort of analogies that i've been drawing is as on one of my my favorite films heat

02:10:39.800 when they kind of weigh up whether they should be going in by to the bank you know the famous

02:10:45.880 bank case where should we sneak around in the middle of the night and cut through the alarm

02:10:51.800 systems and it's like well we can't do that this time we're gonna gonna we're gonna have to go in

02:10:56.280 hard we're just gonna have to kick the door and shove shotguns on people's faces and break noses

02:11:02.760 and it's going to be a big mess and it's going to be ugly but that's the only way we can get

02:11:06.840 the job done and that's what this labour government's like they just they just don't

02:11:12.120 care they've been given a task what that is we can get into uh and they're just going to go in

02:11:17.960 hard on us and that's exactly yeah i view keir starmer from a distance and i've seen a variety

02:11:23.320 of different takes on what he is whether or not he's secretly one of us whether or not people

02:11:28.680 should trust the plan uh it seems to be pretty incoherent what he's doing one it just kind of

02:11:35.000 like um emmanuel macron you hear the arguments that he's secretly a hyperborean nationalist or

02:11:41.980 something like that like he's actually the last frenchman right but even with keir starmer i hear

02:11:46.200 people saying well maybe he's up to something i've never seen trusting the plan actually work out

02:11:51.780 But in your view, Keir Starmer, is he just a graduation of what's been going on with Labour politics or is he distinctly bad?

02:12:05.980 I think he's distinctly bad because I think he's there to perform a task.

02:12:10.360 And that task is some sort of technocratic agenda, probably digital IDs and just a general surveillance state.

02:12:21.780 You see, well, there's all these different policies and these different sort of parts of the surveillance data that they're bringing in.

02:12:32.020 And they don't really, they're kind of disconnected.

02:12:36.660 And what they're missing is the central node.

02:12:39.120 And this is why I was talking about we have to go in strong.

02:12:41.540 So you can flesh out and you can sort of dig around on what exactly, you know, the grand picture.

02:12:49.540 um and you can have you can you know you've got the bank aspect to it where you tap your cards

02:12:55.580 you've got cameras everywhere and all of this builds a picture and a framework towards like a

02:13:01.540 surveillance digital surveillance grid but it it's missing that last bit it's missing the sort of the

02:13:09.720 final key that slots in and kind of operates it all and the problem for the british regime

02:13:17.460 is that they can't do that with nudging you know you've got these nudge units as they call them

02:13:23.020 the the way to manipulate the masses there's all kinds of there's all kinds of departments

02:13:28.980 of government which manipulate the british public to think in certain ways and a lot of the times

02:13:34.100 you don't really understand what's going on a lot of the times you'll just get this uncanny valley

02:13:40.320 feeling that something's a little bit off but you can't prove it unless oh maybe like a year or 18

02:13:47.400 months later it'll come out like yeah it was some kind of spawn controlled spontaneity is what they

02:13:53.320 call it i mean even even that even that term controlled spontaneity is is it just blows your

02:13:59.900 mind and all of this um sort of nudging and reframing and in the end of the day you actually

02:14:08.960 You have a digital ID or you don't.

02:14:12.300 And I think what Starmer is there for is to do that final,

02:14:18.740 sort of put in that final piece of the jigsaw puzzle,

02:14:21.860 whether or not we want it.

02:14:23.500 It was just announced out of the blue.

02:14:25.940 And I think he's on a, like, another aspect to it is I think he doesn't have long.

02:14:30.680 He's got, like, a sort of a window of time.

02:14:35.040 And then it'll be too late.

02:14:36.640 So basically, he's on a deadline, and he acts like he's working towards a deadline as well.

02:14:43.660 That sounds sort of a bit, maybe he's a conspiratorial, but that's my general theory.

02:14:50.000 We are friends to conspiracy theories here.

02:14:52.460 I think they actually have, even though their excesses can seem kind of kooky,

02:14:56.560 they tend to have more or less a pretty good batting average.

02:15:00.480 I know you live across the pond.

02:15:02.480 Batting average refers to the game of baseball.

02:15:04.600 I don't think you have that over there.

02:15:06.640 And I don't watch baseball, so I don't really know what it means, but I'm pretty sure it's the amount of balls that you can hit.

02:15:14.960 But the digital ID thing, that would have been condemned as conspiratorial maybe 10 to 15 years ago.

02:15:22.460 An interesting, you talk about nudge units, we actually covered the book Nudge quite some time ago, went into great detail about what nudge units are.

02:15:31.980 One, and you can say this is a strategy, I tend to think it does.

02:15:36.040 it's that if you get the public talking about something long enough and they're negative

02:15:42.640 towards it they'll eventually just get sick of it so we've been talking about digital ids

02:15:47.680 complaining about its inevitability for like a decade it seems to the point where even the people

02:15:53.960 that don't like it just want to stop talking about it you kind of saw this with ufo disclosure i don't

02:15:58.820 know where you land on that but the american government just started admitting ufos and

02:16:03.940 people have been talking about for so long no one cares anymore it's you get an alien could show up

02:16:09.420 tomorrow an extraterrestrial and i bet most people wouldn't care they've just been so inundated with

02:16:16.060 the discourse that they become numb to it so i tend to think even those there's the rare people

02:16:22.200 like us who are still seething mad about it and trying to ring the alarm bells but the average

02:16:26.180 person i did just like with cctv i'm old enough to remember when there was when cctv was a thing

02:16:34.140 that was being rolled out and everyone complained about it for a bit but then they just started

02:16:40.260 putting up with it seems that any sort of surveillance apparatus that's the first thing

02:16:46.120 that they make a they don't even try and sell you on it narratively they just do it and then people

02:16:51.520 kind of get used to it and i don't know what to do about that frankly like and to me saying it's

02:16:57.620 a conspiracy it is true but conspiracies do happen but i just at this point i don't know

02:17:03.220 what to do about it what do you think yeah i remember on the the mobile phones when people

02:17:10.340 used to say i think my mobile phone might be might be listening to what i'm saying and now we

02:17:16.640 you just kind of you know you can just it's just a fact and we all know that it does and it's it's

02:17:22.160 listening all of the time and it's just it's just become normalized it's just become this i mean i

02:17:29.120 i've been i'm kind of strange because when the the i was paranoid about this stuff like five years

02:17:36.640 ago especially during covid and um it didn't actually happen and i was kind of sort of like

02:17:43.120 well maybe you know maybe i did get a bit carried away maybe i did and i did all of this kind of

02:17:47.920 content about how we were there was going to be like this gamified society and that the there's

02:17:54.800 an inherent logic to the digital which is now going to map itself onto the real world

02:18:01.360 um and everything and there's something within the digital technology which always creates a

02:18:07.280 gamified system and so i was like sort of exploring what that would be like in the real

02:18:12.560 world and everything and i had all this content on it and it never actually happened and it just

02:18:17.920 it just it just didn't i did the same thing i feel you and and then there was like this

02:18:26.400 what was it this summer i think it was when just out of the blue they announced that we were going

02:18:33.040 to have digital ids and it was going to be mandatory and then that's that and everybody

02:18:37.840 was sort of digging through all of these old videos that he says that i had on where i was

02:18:43.760 and i was like i don't know what to say anymore i've said it so i put together a sort of compendium

02:18:49.120 of me paranoid technocracy stuff and posted it on substack all together for everybody

02:18:55.680 um and obviously we're going to see how it goes i've been surprised at the amount of pushback

02:19:02.080 that there's been um i think it's endless fear where it's it's um there's certain aspects of

02:19:10.400 things which people are a bit jittery about talking about i mean i just posted a video

02:19:15.760 today about the discourse with uh fuentes and took a carlson and this kind of podcast network

02:19:23.600 and israel and all of this and there's people who i mean obviously the whole point of that is that

02:19:29.920 people are getting less shy uh about talking about that in particular and i get into why on that

02:19:37.920 video actually um but there's other things which are more low-hanging fruit and i think that like

02:19:44.880 weff and klaus schwab became like a kind of facebook meme for boomers and and it wasn't edgy

02:19:53.760 and this this was part of the problem with the discourse at the time was that people are thinking

02:19:58.640 well look you're not going to get banned from talking about klaus schwab or the world economic

02:20:04.400 forum or digital ids and and it's a kind of off-ramp from radicalism i mean that wasn't

02:20:11.980 actually true there was a ton of people getting banned for the covid stuff and all of that but

02:20:17.960 but i do take the point i i do i do get what they mean you're not actually pushing an envelope

02:20:24.500 that much but it is actually true and so you you get into this problem where you've got to do

02:20:32.020 a kind of backtrack and you've got to think actually you know some some of those cringe

02:20:36.840 sort of takes and that you that you saw going around that they actually were correct after all

02:20:42.920 um and i i think it does seem like they're going to kind of give up on the climate change craziness

02:20:49.080 to a degree but one of the things that you have to remember you know if you we go back to the

02:20:55.320 web stuff which people don't talk about is that it was always the deadline was always 2030.

02:21:01.960 it was it was always if if you're going to go along with this narrative this conspiracy if you like

02:21:07.640 the the they had set themselves a deadline and it was 2030 agenda 2030 and all of that

02:21:13.560 um and i think it got derailed for various reasons but there's elements of it are they're

02:21:20.800 still going to push through with one of the problems they've got with the climate change stuff

02:21:25.080 is that these ai data centers are just requiring absolute colossal amount of energy to power them

02:21:33.260 along and so at some point they've been like you know you're going to have to make it you're going

02:21:38.760 to have to decide whether you want to have a digital gulag or the green agenda you can't have

02:21:44.040 both one cancels the other out and they've decided well we'll go for the digital gulag then we'll go

02:21:50.320 we'll go for the we'll go for the we'll go for they really do seem to be moving away i'm curious

02:21:57.540 to see if they'll actually embrace nuclear because that used to be the biggest uh the biggest opponent

02:22:02.940 to nuclear energy seemed to be these environmentalists and they were allowed to control that

02:22:06.220 narrative but it would seem to me that nuclear energy and oil of course but that would be the

02:22:11.240 most effective way to fuel these grandiose dreams and so maybe you'll just see that like shuffled

02:22:17.420 off the stage people just stop giving a shit about nuclear energy even though it takes like

02:22:21.140 i don't know 9 000 years to build one but uh you know what i mean but um no i agree completely

02:22:27.480 i'm just looking at some of the comments here wf is to liberal technocrats what comic-con is to

02:22:33.600 furries with some great skiing um i want to point out that you do have your arms around

02:22:40.160 the central problem here which is that we can always get caught up in making predictions for

02:22:46.720 the record most people i've seen on our side of the political spectrum have not made a single

02:22:52.320 correct prediction uh ever it doesn't matter if it's economically doesn't matter if it's about

02:22:57.680 war. It's just we're not very good at it. But so handing out dates and precise agendas gets us

02:23:04.060 into trouble. But really, it's undeniable that you are pointing to a group of highly influential,

02:23:11.800 highly resourced people who are very open about what they want to do. And I give the

02:23:16.600 example of Palantir in the US. Okay, what is Palantir? Palantir wants to be something of a

02:23:22.420 parallel cia um and that intersects with every concern you just said with with data security

02:23:29.540 with i don't know what what peter teal's up to he seems to love naming his companies after the

02:23:35.760 villains in lord of the rings i don't know what that's about but here's what we know about

02:23:40.240 palantir first of all it's run by a gay jewish transhumanist okay and that's what gets a lot of

02:23:45.440 people fired up because they hate that guy what i would say is if it wasn't run by a jewish guy a

02:23:51.740 gay guy or a transhumanist it would still be bad now that conglomeration of identities has a wide

02:23:59.600 appeal in our space but if there was just a white protestant guy running it it you can make the

02:24:06.000 argument that it would be just as bad an increased surveillance state or even if it was just a white

02:24:12.560 transhumanist guy like this whole thing is tied up in nefarious agendas and and that's a very hard

02:24:19.220 thing to sell many of these audiences on and like you had said it's more controversial than you might

02:24:25.380 think um and i think you're like many in our space you're able to hold multiple ideas in your head

02:24:31.780 at the same time a lot of people can hold one there's just one there's one agenda there's one

02:24:37.300 topic whereas you can say okay this is bad but here's seven other things that are causing modernity

02:24:43.860 or causing the modern malaise and that really jumbles a lot of people's wires from what i've

02:24:50.100 seen because they'll try like you can watch them in real time try to redirect it back to your thing

02:24:54.980 like like in canada i'll give you an example a lot of people in this country they'll point to you

02:25:00.260 know indian migration or the ngos that are driving migration which might receive funding from alex

02:25:06.180 sorrows connected to israel connected to various groups okay yeah it is yes problem however

02:25:12.760 there is a fentanyl problem in north north america not just canada north america is being

02:25:19.020 funneled in through china produced in chinese factories through the hong kong triads and i

02:25:25.840 believe uh china is directly responsible for something like 90 of the fentanyl within north

02:25:32.780 america which is the most it might as well be biochemical warfare every organized crime syndicate

02:25:39.240 does their own thing um china's got fentanyl and i'm just gonna say jews have nothing to do with

02:25:45.080 that and people get mad at me when i say that i'm like they just don't that is just a thing and that

02:25:51.840 is poisoning us that is that is ruining lives that is get i do interpret it as something like

02:25:58.440 chemical warfare so i'm like it i've encountered that's very difficult for people to see these two

02:26:04.300 opponents it needs to be one at the top of the pyramid you know i mean otherwise they won't take

02:26:09.520 it seriously and that's i don't know what to do about that either that's that's a communication

02:26:14.000 issue um but yeah you're just going to get a lot of heat from these people well it seems to be more

02:26:21.300 crossover uh when you bring palantir in because back in the the kind of the the wef sort of

02:26:29.380 covert wars on the right that we had about five years ago it was seen that if you were talking

02:26:35.540 about claus schwab uh or the wef or bill gates it was less edgy and it was a distraction from

02:26:44.740 talking about you know that that group in the middle east particularly zionist power and stuff

02:26:49.860 and what we find now is i've noticed a couple of the people who pushed back the hardest against me

02:26:56.820 are now like panicking because it turns out like you've got larry ellison involved these kind of

02:27:03.460 billionaire zionists in the actual construction you've got palantir involved with killing

02:27:10.100 palestinians like marking them up and they've got these horrible names for like they call it

02:27:15.320 lavender or something and that's how they're gonna um find out who hamas were but what they'll do is

02:27:22.560 just run it through kind of ai aggregator and take out a whole building because there's one

02:27:28.160 hamas foot soldier in there or something but the point is that you find that actually it wasn't an

02:27:35.200 either or that much and all of a sudden like like one of the things you know i don't want to sort of

02:27:42.100 rehash old arguments and stuff but i was accused of being libertarian and i and people were saying

02:27:48.920 like you you've got and one of the things that i found like interesting is that everybody's

02:27:55.960 sort of a libertarian when your enemies are in charge and so all of a sudden the people

02:28:01.720 i've noticed a few people who were calling me a libertarian back then are now like sort of

02:28:06.820 shitting their pants because their enemies are going to be in charge of the surveillance grid

02:28:12.340 their enemies are going to be programming the digital like the people they fear the most

02:28:17.300 and as you were saying it's inherently bad no matter who controls it and that was kind of

02:28:23.380 what i was trying to get across at the time was like i don't really care um who is running this

02:28:30.440 who is in charge of implementing it, it's still bad.

02:28:35.040 It's still just a bad thing to have.

02:28:37.740 And to bring it back to sort of Keir Starman Britain and whatnot,

02:28:42.740 the excuse they used to bring this in was what they call the migrant crisis

02:28:50.960 of all these illegal immigrants just swanning in on boats.

02:28:56.840 And they said that we're going to bring in digital ID in

02:29:00.080 because we'll be able to find out who's legal and who isn't in the country.

02:29:05.420 So if you don't have your paperwork, if you don't have a digital ID,

02:29:10.260 basically it means you're a legal citizen.

02:29:13.360 And this is sort of an appeal to the right.

02:29:16.440 So it hasn't worked, but the pitch was that we can piggyback this in

02:29:22.080 because the libtards will probably just go along with it anyway.

02:29:25.420 But if we pitch it to the right as if to say we're going to use it

02:29:28.780 to prevent illegal immigration maybe they'll go along with it that actually hasn't happened

02:29:33.760 and of course starmer just doesn't care he'll just plow through he'll just and this is line

02:29:38.880 for line what palantir said about its version of digital id that was trying to roll out in america

02:29:44.480 saying that it'll help us track illegal migrants much faster um just put that to the side and

02:29:51.840 realize that they could do it now if they wanted to and they're kind of doing that now in the u.s

02:29:55.960 right now um to the best of their abilities but it requires you to believe that the government

02:30:02.200 hasn't already been surveilling you and couldn't do that if it wanted to and like you said it's

02:30:07.560 not working on our people but it would work on liberals who get into debates with us and say

02:30:14.000 look just shut up they're doing what you want it's anti-migration and uh yeah it's just a

02:30:20.820 narrative deployed to silence us it doesn't work on us but it works with our opponents and again

02:30:26.420 like i don't know a side you see these protests where they go and smash up cctv cameras and uh

02:30:33.840 engage in you know direct action i mean i think that's that's the only thing because there's so

02:30:39.300 many you know it's almost kurtzweilian and i i'm referring to ray kurtzweil i believe he had set

02:30:46.640 and this sort of connects to what we were talking about earlier he said the date of the technological

02:30:51.460 singularity at 2045 i thought it used to be like 2030 and then i think you had to bump it up and

02:30:58.800 hope nobody noticed but that's supposed to be the date where all technology converges where

02:31:04.000 it to put it shortly technology can solve technology's problems there will be some agi

02:31:10.340 There will be some Skynet that can fix all our problems and put us into a post-materialist world.

02:31:17.500 And whether or not you believe that's realistic, because some people say, of course, that's not going to happen.

02:31:23.200 I agree.

02:31:24.220 But there are people who believe that.

02:31:26.620 And these people have a lot of money.

02:31:28.760 And these people have a lot of influence and connection.

02:31:31.020 So when I'm discussing this with these people, I'm like, I don't even care if the conspiracy is fucking true.

02:31:36.000 Do you think there's important people that believe it's true?

02:31:38.300 and do you think they're agitating for that agenda on the inside? Because Peter Thiel seems

02:31:43.680 to believe some pretty wild shit. And, you know, if you're an elite theorist, like some of your

02:31:50.980 listeners might be, they think, oh, these elites, they don't believe in anything. They're almost

02:31:55.160 even apolitical. They just believe in power for power's sake. And then I know academic agent is

02:32:00.100 all about that. But I tend to believe they are possessed by certain ideologies and beliefs and

02:32:06.880 an idea of the world so it's not even that whether or not you think agi is possible it's like whether

02:32:12.180 or not how many billions of dollars are going to be funneled into forcing it through and what are

02:32:18.000 the consequences of that being forced through because like you had said that you can witness

02:32:24.100 i keep i keep seeing i get suggested like videos and things which i haven't watched it's it's you

02:32:32.060 know how you put things on the back burner and you're like i'll i'll come back to that when i

02:32:36.180 get the time and it's this idea of of like peter teal and it's like stuff to do with the anti-christ

02:32:44.440 or he is the anti-christ or like what what is that what's that about

02:32:49.600 is funny so he's into spirituality he's um sort of a silicon valley i believe a former atheist

02:33:00.080 who got into christianity in a similar way that jordan peterson got into christianity they

02:33:05.860 approached it from a scientific direction so when you hear jordan pearson talk about christianity

02:33:12.020 it's through a psychoanalytic lens and his general interest in world mythology so it's not really

02:33:19.140 from the center of it so you see a lot of these silicon valley types they're they're viewing

02:33:24.740 christianity like a type of software that you can run on society i believe elon musk views it the

02:33:30.260 same way so they're trying it's a very utilitarian sort of thing so he talks a lot about the

02:33:36.660 anti-christ he talks in these sorts of terms and there was an interview he did where he was looking

02:33:41.860 absolutely ghastly looked utterly ghoulish because as far as i can tell he did the classic gay man

02:33:49.540 thing where he was already in shape and then also decided to go on ozempic so he was just

02:33:56.100 hollow eye he looked like a ghoul from fucking fallout but he was explaining his i'm paraphrasing

02:34:04.720 here but he was explaining his goal for um humanity what he's trying to accomplish with

02:34:09.780 his companies and to fight the antichrist and the interviewer had said something to the effect of

02:34:14.620 hey uh based on what you just said it almost sounds like you're the antichrist and he paused

02:34:20.200 and had this very comical look on his face and so everyone made a joke of it and then he did he

02:34:25.780 decided to do the most normal thing possible he did a real hyper regular thing and decided

02:34:31.920 to host a series of lectures on the antichrist which is definitely not something the antichrist

02:34:38.180 would do he wouldn't he wouldn't host a series of lectures saying here's why i'm not the antichrist

02:34:43.020 so it's just this fucking it's it it's hilarious to everybody as far as i can tell and i believe

02:34:50.980 the lectures have to be paid for i desperately want access to these lectures i hope they're

02:34:56.600 entertaining i hope i don't leave interested but uh it's just a strange thing for a guy who's

02:35:02.360 running a multi-billion dollar company to do you know i mean yeah it's it's it's not good news is

02:35:09.200 when you've got like literal megalomaniac bond villains having delusions of their own grandeur

02:35:17.240 and they're well in the advanced stages of actually just bringing all of this stuff onto us

02:35:24.240 I mean like I said I was freaked out because I first noticed it I first noticed it when I was

02:35:31.760 on the phone and I bought a jet wash and I was trying I was missing a part of it and I was

02:35:36.920 shouting at people down the phone asking why doesn't this work what do i need where do i get it

02:35:41.360 and then like all of a sudden just on the internet on all the devices i was getting advertisements

02:35:46.760 for this little kind of plastic washer thing which will connect the hose to the machine

02:35:51.740 that freaked me out like that was i'm so old uh and and such a luddite like i found that really

02:35:59.060 creepy but then when you begin like oh it's actually the antichrist who's suggesting this

02:36:04.060 i'm just like i i'm not on board with it i think it's i think it's bollocks i'm not i'm not impressed

02:36:10.880 with this kind of language because i'm a sort of cynical gen xer i mean i suppose so that this is

02:36:17.140 the thing like so are the people who are so is elon must compete a deal i suppose but i i just i

02:36:23.280 immediately feel cringe at this to use a modern word i immediately i immediately feel that you're

02:36:32.780 talking shit and you're an arsehole i'm not i'm not impressed with this pseudo intellectual

02:36:40.160 gobbledygook i'm scared because i think you're a nut job and you're messing around with things

02:36:46.420 that you don't understand but i'm not standing here in awe of this kind of grand vision about

02:36:53.580 how ai is going to be like some kind of archangel demiurge or something like that like get just

02:37:01.520 get this shit out it's unnecessary and uh every time i've seen it it's an extra layer of complexity

02:37:07.900 that doesn't need to be there um it tends to spook people up like you you can look at

02:37:14.200 you know because i work in marketing let me just say that so over my career i remember when they

02:37:21.840 first started introducing and this is to the point you just made listening devices and i think the

02:37:27.880 first big controversy was xbox it was it was reported that their uh microphone and speaker

02:37:33.900 never turned off so it was always recording you and i think that was the last time people cared

02:37:39.000 about that because now it's a given that all your devices listen to you all the time and no one

02:37:46.340 really cares you know i mean so the rate of acceptance with that sort of technological

02:37:53.840 advancement that is what is so disheartening but then like you should care about that and then when

02:37:58.600 people come out and say here's another thing about that now did you know they get a numerology of

02:38:04.740 course and if you if you add up the serial number on that it equals six six six and six six six is

02:38:10.260 the mark of the beast like they go off into very q anon stuff and you get lost in all this sort of

02:38:15.880 pseudo religiosity and i say that's that's that's fun you can have fun with that who does that was

02:38:23.880 what bit shoot made all its money on having those types of documentaries may everyone remember going

02:38:28.640 on bit shoot anyone remember going on amazon prime back in the day you could learn how the pyramids

02:38:34.240 are the fucking antichrist and you know ufos are evidence that the holocaust didn't happen all kinds

02:38:39.700 of wild stuff but it can be interesting for me but it doesn't actually matter it's just this extra

02:38:45.520 stuff it's just entertainment for internet poison people like us but it's i don't have patience for

02:38:51.880 it anymore and that's to your point that anytime someone's trying to say do you know what this

02:38:56.820 reminds me of saint michael like shut the fuck up get the fuck out of here yeah yeah it's it's

02:39:05.800 it's just it's just it's just bullshit um and it's it's i don't like it i don't like i don't

02:39:11.340 like these people what i'm trying to think of some kind of quote i don't like you uh i don't

02:39:18.560 like your dog and i don't like the horse it's really just this kind of old-fashioned grug

02:39:26.180 cynicism to it all as well i i hate the pretentious language and it's it it just

02:39:34.520 creates on it because it's like you know at the end of the day what they're really bothered with

02:39:40.480 is like the bottom line it's like it one one of the things what we actually see because of this

02:39:48.440 is just endless sort of slop videos um and like marketing scams and targeting people and i just

02:39:56.660 think is is this it you know elon musk on twitter um he posts like grok's latest sort of uh ai

02:40:06.160 i saw one earlier today actually and it was a picture and it had these like kind of sexy babes

02:40:13.280 and they were they were kind of jumping into the air it was all fantasy and then they were

02:40:18.300 transforming into like panthers and wolves and things and he he almost and his his kind of he

02:40:26.220 was shilling this and he was saying this is going to be so amazing imagine when this was like into

02:40:31.500 video game and it gets to the heart of like what i think's gone wrong here because when we still

02:40:39.660 don't have good movies or a new sort of art form from this technology and the technology exists

02:40:48.940 you know the technology is is we have it now why is it all and i'm talking purely in terms

02:40:55.340 of sort of entertainment in terms of sort of people producing and creating great films using

02:41:04.540 this technology and i don't see it happening and yet the technology actually does exist

02:41:12.780 and musk is always kind of like when the early there when the early that this is going to be

02:41:16.460 so amazing and i'm like it's already good enough i you know i i was playing like final fantasy 7

02:41:22.940 in in like 1997 and i played it for like 150 hours and i was amazed by it i absolutely

02:41:30.680 i loved it i played it forever and ever and ever i don't want to do all the side quests

02:41:36.540 i love the story that's what made me buy a ps1 when i was younger they used to run ads for

02:41:41.900 fantasy 7 and it was actually it was like nothing i'd seen before so there's still some magic there

02:41:47.640 and if you if you look at that now like your the characters that you're watching are just like

02:41:54.840 three triangles stuck together it really it really is so bad or you know the big black one barrett

02:42:02.660 he's like a few squares his gun arm was like literally lego yeah it's just like these it's

02:42:10.880 like these lego figures and and so the the issue while i'm getting at here is that the creativity

02:42:18.200 is going into producing the technology and not into um some something sort of more substantial

02:42:27.140 and spiritual there's there's not actually this new wave of amazing uh films or well i don't play

02:42:37.240 video games I haven't played video games for a year so I don't know what the situation is there

02:42:42.260 but it's it's this assumption that you can kind of replicate human a kind of spiritual or poetic

02:42:50.600 vision if the technology gets good enough and they can't do that it's not happening it should

02:42:58.400 have happened already by now and I've got no doubt that in a few months time it'll be even

02:43:04.880 even more spectacular but it'll be just as hollow and it's as if they're desperately trying to to

02:43:13.800 kind of replicate something which is metaphysical and they don't understand it despite all of their

02:43:20.840 highfalutin jargon about the antichrist it's all just nonsense because if it wasn't then they would

02:43:27.300 actually be creating something almost religious with the technology and it's not it's just spy

02:43:35.860 technology you know people we talk about like disenchanting the world and what i'm kind of

02:43:41.120 getting at here is like they speak in the language of almost like re-enchanting the world through

02:43:48.260 artificial intelligence and this and it just to keep it i'm not even talking about robots

02:43:53.320 over the world just in terms of like these images and these these pictures and create creating these

02:44:00.120 worlds that they could be creating and it's not happening it's not even beginning to happen

02:44:05.160 in fact it's just getting more and more alienating i mean you can go back and you can look at even

02:44:11.440 basic things what was it there's a book that i've got the once and future king th white on the shelf

02:44:17.000 over there and it's got this the the artwork to it is just this kind of whimsical watercolor

02:44:24.460 uh sort of thing of the um witches and king arthur and mordred and all of this and you see

02:44:34.020 even just in that that there's a kind of you know that it it signifies something whereas if you've

02:44:41.520 got like the most highly pixelated

02:44:43.580 woman turning into a panther

02:44:45.320 in this

02:44:46.340 it's like a highly advanced

02:44:49.060 final fantasy cutscene

02:44:51.420 used to be but without

02:44:53.480 the story and without the human connection

02:44:55.700 and this is why

02:44:57.200 I kind of just think they talk a load

02:44:59.500 of shit

02:44:59.900 they like to use this kind of language

02:45:03.240 they like to lean into it

02:45:04.880 but they just fundamentally don't

02:45:07.580 get it

02:45:07.920 they have a very materialist way of looking at the problem

02:45:11.180 which is that if we give more advanced tools to people that they can replicate what is in their

02:45:17.140 minds easily because there's no i have access to sora right now and sora 2 which is um ai it's it

02:45:24.560 can generate these sort of ai slop but very very good it's highly advanced but no one's go through

02:45:32.520 the explore function and it's just it's i'm not joking it's just people making images and videos

02:45:38.160 of burgers like fantasy multi-color what if what if a burger bun was purple that's what people are

02:45:44.820 making it with now there's this article i wrote quite some time ago on vanguard's journal and i

02:45:51.240 was taking a pretty controversial approach and i was trying to defend uh post-modern art all the

02:45:58.340 art that people complains about you know they you go to an art gallery and you see just a splash of

02:46:03.520 paint on the canvas everyone says my kid could do that but um I forget what the article itself

02:46:08.800 was called but um the point was that the purpose of art while trying to you know represent beauty

02:46:16.220 was also representing something distinctly human and those could be one of the same especially with

02:46:23.580 sculpture but something very interesting happened with the advent of the photograph that sent

02:46:30.440 shockwaves throughout the art world because now you can perfectly capture a beautiful image a

02:46:36.520 forest a lake whatever might be so what you found there was visual artists painters trying to figure

02:46:43.700 okay we the thing we're trying to capture has basically been captured by technology in an

02:46:49.280 inhuman way but we don't want to compete with that we need to run the other direction and figure out

02:46:54.140 how to capture humanity in a way that a machine cannot replicate and it seems that we're running

02:47:00.920 out of those options because it becomes much much easier for people to default to ai slot but to me

02:47:05.960 that was always the purpose of art aside from something making making something aesthetically

02:47:10.640 pleasing which is important yes everything looks ugly now i understand that but more fundamentally

02:47:16.320 it's to capture something that is human something that a machine could never on its own capture

02:47:24.040 and machines in that sense are always just following us they're never pioneering anything

02:47:28.300 it's not really in their not dna but in their programming to truly innovate so the idea of

02:47:35.580 innovating for innovation's sake is very very human something that if an alien looked at it

02:47:41.220 it would almost be incomprehensible but it actually communicates something fundamentally human to the

02:47:47.220 viewer and so that's i think that's a problem we're getting into where aesthetically it's easy

02:47:52.780 it's easier than ever to make things that are technically aesthetically pleasing but it's not

02:47:57.740 communicating any distinct human experience and if that might be what you're getting at as well

02:48:04.300 i don't put words in your mouth yeah yeah it is i mean it's a it's a shift gears to the the uk as

02:48:12.780 we call it here but there's a similar thing here where if we've got there's this meme goes around

02:48:19.900 in britain at the moment called the uk if you've seen it it's like y-o-o-k-a-y

02:48:28.700 and you know and people have been discussing it and then crumbly grouped i think sort of

02:48:33.980 kind of kind of term and i've done a little bit of commentary on it i do find it interesting

02:48:39.900 and you know the when you when you look at it the typical kind of if you the uk aesthetic

02:48:46.700 will be say an old like 500 year old church but there'll be like a woman in a burka standing

02:48:56.340 outside of it um and it'll have this kind of gray sort of dilapidated look to the or it'll be an

02:49:03.740 advertisement where it'll be a woman for the front the welsh nationalist party but it'll be like a

02:49:11.000 kind of black woman from sort of as if she just come out from an amazon advert or something like

02:49:17.640 this and so the uk aesthetic is this kind of de-territorializing of the british isles essentially

02:49:27.540 and you know it touches on what we were talking about with technology because

02:49:32.380 it in we are going through a moment here we are going something is happening which usually

02:49:40.020 would have a voice it would have a way to express itself like most other eras that we've gone

02:49:49.420 through did but what you find is that part it's like part of the uk aesthetic is that it cannot

02:49:57.280 acknowledge that it is dystopian and so this kind of so it's this kind of weird feedback loop

02:50:05.440 where it is an aesthetic which is sort of baked into it

02:50:10.200 is the idea that it denies itself.

02:50:13.140 And so if you, for example, see,

02:50:16.340 like you may get this picture, for example,

02:50:19.780 of a woman and she's on the London Underground

02:50:22.760 and then there'll be all of like the urban youth

02:50:26.140 and London's diversity,

02:50:28.740 but it'll be a woman and she's sitting there

02:50:30.700 reading like a Jane Austen novel.

02:50:32.460 amongst amongst all of this decay and squalor but for the the kind of the narrative that we

02:50:42.840 we have to obeyed by there's nothing off there because a shit lib would say well they're all

02:50:50.540 just citizens it's all i see is people this hatchling thing which i coined years ago which

02:50:56.540 people you know people we used it recently i think on the show

02:51:02.400 it's it's crazy that's how much that caught on over all the stuff that i've done

02:51:08.640 but yeah so people people will pay play a hatchling and it'll be like well what what is it

02:51:14.840 like you know if you've got this aesthetic where it's this grotty london underground train and it's

02:51:22.300 a one white woman reading like a Jane Austen novel paperback and then everywhere you look

02:51:29.360 it's just decay and diversity and people from like the third world the third world biomass

02:51:36.600 we aren't allowed to actually be honest that there is some something is in the process of being

02:51:44.460 killed and born here we just have to pretend that nothing's happened we just have to pretend that

02:51:52.100 this is all just natural um of course we don't but it's controversial to point it out and so you

02:51:59.460 you end up in this kind of non-place where you're going through a particular time in a particular

02:52:05.460 place and it has a particular aesthetic to it but we're not allowed actually artistically or

02:52:13.540 intellectually kind of tease it apart and get into what it is because it because of its nature

02:52:18.740 where you can go back to the 1970s

02:52:22.220 or you can go back to, you know, the strikes

02:52:26.040 or short work weeks, bin men strikes in the 70s.

02:52:31.520 You can go into the kind of Thatcher era,

02:52:35.080 a Thatcher and a blue dress

02:52:36.640 and people kind of closing down the nines,

02:52:39.740 but also people begin a lot of, make a lot of money

02:52:42.680 as sort of neoliberalism and financial services came in

02:52:47.300 and all of this kind of thing.

02:52:48.740 it's got its own look and it's got its own aesthetic but where we are now with the uk

02:52:54.740 uh it's you can't actually be honest about it so it's it's got this underground sort of

02:53:02.740 interest you know it's got it's got this kind of subversive element to to just kind of trying

02:53:08.180 to tease out what it is as as it just gradually consumes the whole country because part of it is

02:53:15.540 that you'll have like a kind of islamic community day out on top of the pennines

02:53:22.340 so you've got this mixture of the most sort of spiritually english brithonic parts of the world

02:53:31.540 mixed with intruders and you're not allowed to tease the two apart yeah i think london and this

02:53:38.660 This might have been just made a number of something like 80% non-native British.

02:53:45.140 Does that number sound right?

02:53:46.440 It's something crazy high.

02:53:49.420 Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me.

02:53:50.580 It's a bit confusing because they'll have in like white British.

02:53:54.900 So it could be that somebody's came in from somewhere around Europe and got a passport or something.

02:54:00.020 But yeah, that wouldn't surprise me.

02:54:02.760 it's one of those facts that reveals how unequipped i am to discuss this matter with

02:54:09.520 the average person you mentioned uh the hatchling and also i believe millennial woes just recently

02:54:15.500 he's had a tweet go viral which basically explains what you mean by hatchling which is

02:54:20.020 you know he was the example of a leftist they said they just pretend not to know what anything is

02:54:24.840 thus rendering discourse impossible so you can show what london has become and you'll be talking

02:54:30.900 to people and they'll say well what's wrong with that explain to me why that's wrong and

02:54:34.260 and then i just gotta start blasting i just gotta you know i mean like you're you're an enemy i

02:54:39.560 don't once they start pretending not to know what you mean or say asking why is that why is anything

02:54:46.740 bad you know you you were you were everyone's an immigrant so what's wrong with this then i i think

02:54:53.560 that people say the assassination of charlie kirk did this but i think they've been trending that

02:54:57.880 way for quite some time where you know as uh bombastic as it might sound discourse is dead

02:55:03.780 but i mean it in the sense that you just can't talk to people you can just broadcast your ideas

02:55:09.500 but i don't know who's interested in debating with a shit lib anymore on these issues you know i mean

02:55:16.000 like you're not going to convince them they have their tactics they have their defenses up they

02:55:20.780 think they got you but what their defenses are just i refuse to accept your premise and i say

02:55:26.940 okay well i guess we're not i guess we're done talking i guess you know what i mean like and

02:55:31.560 that was the last thing we thought we could do these people but uh as i said before i'm putting

02:55:36.200 an article up on vanguard's journal maybe today about how you know people misunderstand the friend

02:55:43.040 enemy distinction i believe and it has them shopping around for one-way friendships but

02:55:49.200 really you need to understand that there's there's many many people even of your kinfolk

02:55:55.160 that they're effectively your enemy in the sense that not only do they not have any self-determination

02:56:02.300 for their survival, they want to attack your will to self-determination. It's a downward spiral into

02:56:09.540 civilizational suicide. And again, if you say it like that, people think you're blackpilling,

02:56:15.440 but I think you need to be realistic about what's at stake. Certain things have never been worse.

02:56:21.560 And we were talking about before this idea of it's very hard to mount a rebellion against modernity through aesthetics because people will say just make beauty, make beautiful things, and that will repel the forces of this fallen state.

02:56:39.480 But I tend to think that it's more reflective of the society you have, like you need to have that vitality first to produce the art. Otherwise, you just produce beautiful propaganda and beautiful propaganda can be fine on its own. But it really is utilitarian in that sense.

02:56:56.280 but if you don't have a sense of beauty to express you can't just make it if you are if

02:57:04.180 everyone is just depressed and dying and they hate the world and they understand it's not

02:57:09.500 it's never been this bad it is very difficult to make anything substantial i think and so and that's

02:57:16.780 so you you know everyone says politics is downstream from culture i tend not to think

02:57:21.460 of it that linearly you know i tend to think of it that you know to produce beautiful culture you

02:57:26.200 need you need people to not want to fucking kill themselves otherwise you get the media that we

02:57:31.320 have now which in in so many words can be described as very nihilistic especially in music right it's

02:57:37.880 a it's a very nihilistic time we're in and i the the causes of that are so multitudinous i don't

02:57:45.040 know if there's one response to that and perhaps that is blackpilling but anyway i'm in a very

02:57:51.220 long-winded way saying i'm agreeing with you yeah and it's i've tended to um i mean the last week

02:57:59.960 i've done an article about the sort of the discourse with uh you know the fuentes took

02:58:05.400 our sort of stuff but by and large i uh and i did a video today as well but by and large i

02:58:12.460 focus on those things exclusively these days on britain because i feel like there's it's there's

02:58:19.240 something visceral about it there's so there's something immediate about it and I find like you

02:58:25.960 know you get into this when you focus too much on America and you get into this kind of big pomp and

02:58:31.540 it's all of this this big show because I'm not in America and I'm sure that there's like if you're

02:58:38.260 actually in America and you're you're kind of grinding it out on like the subway in Chicago

02:58:44.440 or whatever it will be similar sort of experience to the the uk it's just that you know i'm not there

02:58:51.400 and i think there is something to be said like you you do have to kind of stare these things

02:58:56.600 in the face as they are in in its seediness and and its grottiness there's there's a kind of

02:59:03.800 very hard realism to life in in britain in england and in in england more than the rest of the united

02:59:14.200 kingdom i would say as well though it's creeping in elsewhere like life in england is hard and

02:59:19.980 like there's a there's a kind of grit and a grime and a squalor to it which is really hard hitting

02:59:26.480 these days and it's fascinating it fascinates me to sort of explore it and it's all of it as well

02:59:34.300 like you've actually got the kind of the routine murders and stabbings and weird things that go on

02:59:41.340 on a weekly basis there's there's like a there'll be like a rape from an asylum seeker almost every

02:59:48.620 day now um and and you get these whole storylines and sagas where there was one in epping the

02:59:57.700 migrant hotel there where like i mean it just it's before it happened i have to be i'm hoping

03:00:06.960 that i get the details of this correct but they were told that they were going to have to house

03:00:12.960 they were going to have like an asylum seeker hotel i mean even then right from the beginning

03:00:18.080 how insane is it that the just the very idea of asylums these men rock up in boats and that

03:00:27.280 they're put in these hotels um and the the locals they said we don't want them here we don't feel

03:00:34.240 safe with our kids don't feel safe it was right next to a school and they were ignored and then

03:00:41.200 once the the the hotel filled up there was an actual case of a girl being touched up

03:00:47.920 by one of the men she was 14 and she was sexually i'm not i'm not sure how far but it was pretty bad

03:00:56.000 um and then it turned out well this looks this is an optical problem for the regime

03:01:01.600 so there was a cover-up operation put into motion and then the the locals began protesting

03:01:09.120 against it like out on the streets doing these rallies and then the government bust in sort of

03:01:17.840 shit-lib activists that they've got on speed dial from ngos to counter protest

03:01:23.120 and then eventually the the fella who did the sexual assault he went to jail and then they

03:01:31.600 tried to transfer him or something and he they released him from jail and then on top of that

03:01:37.180 they gave him 500 pounds so he's wandering around i think i saw this is that the one where they're

03:01:42.160 like he was released by mistake and there was just video of him wandering the streets yeah

03:01:46.880 just wandering the streets

03:01:49.540 and then

03:01:50.680 so the people

03:01:53.660 of Epping launched this legal

03:01:55.720 appeal and were successful

03:01:57.480 against having this

03:01:59.680 hotel there, against the housing immigrants

03:02:01.740 and then that was

03:02:03.500 crushed by the main

03:02:05.680 government itself and they said

03:02:07.740 no

03:02:08.120 their appeal

03:02:11.840 was successful, it was going to be

03:02:13.840 withdrawn and then

03:02:15.580 they london decided you actually know it stays and you just think dave this is a people who've

03:02:22.940 done absolutely before the problem came they warned about it their worst fears of perhaps

03:02:30.680 a stereotype were confirmed because the girl was touched up and abused and then you can play in

03:02:38.280 the kind of the anti-white anti-native sentiment of the of the government itself and all of the

03:02:44.660 institutions revealed themselves without a care in the world and then it even turns out the legal

03:02:51.240 system is corrupted and then it turns out the democratic system is corrupted and there's just

03:02:57.380 nothing you can do it i hate to joke about this but it's so ludicrous it sounds like one of those

03:03:04.080 schlocky action horror movies you'd see from the 80s like a trauma film because if you describe

03:03:11.840 what it is it's like the evil governor put a bunch of foreign retarded rapists next to the school

03:03:18.840 like you would say that this is obviously heightened for cinema but then that actually

03:03:24.320 just happens there's no way to describe the situation where it doesn't doesn't fill you with

03:03:29.220 some some level of murderous rage and you talk about nudge units you want to talk about the

03:03:35.240 nudge effect i saw this happen over the course of many years like how how does a hotel like this

03:03:41.680 get placed in that location in that small town it's because they started by just putting them

03:03:46.220 in blocks of hotel rooms in urban centers saying it's going to be temporary we're not housing them

03:03:51.920 there forever then they let people tolerate that and they said well we're just going to keep them

03:03:56.560 there indefinitely well actually we've got to build some hotels for them actually maybe we

03:04:00.860 just have these houses no one's using you know no one's using these houses we're just going to buy

03:04:05.600 them up and put them there every step of the way over the course of an entire generation you know

03:04:10.800 the water is boiled with the frog in it of course and uh then occasionally and i i think the british

03:04:19.320 people have shown some real uh grit and uh and surprise and aggressiveness in this recently where

03:04:27.400 they just kind of snap out of it because in my experience the governments tend to do too much

03:04:31.760 too fast like we said at the start they start shoving this stuff through in an inelegant way

03:04:37.640 and so people are people the insanity of the situation does dawn on people especially where

03:04:42.920 it is where they're living but at that point you bait you need some kind of radical action because

03:04:49.600 they tried to do it the legal way they did what they voted against it doesn't help campaigned

03:04:55.680 against it doesn't help and even when they do succeed they just shut it down anyway so you're

03:05:00.200 proving to these people that there's no legal recourse and if this isn't about a gay flag

03:05:06.740 painted on a bridge it's not over something that the left can make fun of you for caring about it's

03:05:13.920 like no these are uh rapists that don't speak our language that they put right next to my school

03:05:18.880 that's real and you're going to get a real response from people and um you know it's it sucks that

03:05:25.060 It's got to be parents that do it.

03:05:27.560 But yeah, sorry.

03:05:28.840 Actually, before I go back,

03:05:29.800 I wanted to call out some super chats we've gotten

03:05:32.040 because I don't want people to think

03:05:33.800 that they shouldn't give money

03:05:35.520 and they definitely should.

03:05:37.220 We've got Louis Shaw here saying,

03:05:38.620 AI is just a large language model,

03:05:40.260 just copies what we type on the internet,

03:05:41.860 vomits it back to you,

03:05:43.100 more like a mirror based on the average internet user.

03:05:45.600 This is from a while ago when we were talking about AI.

03:05:48.360 Yes, I agree with that.

03:05:50.240 That's why, let me just say,

03:05:51.340 I always separate the larger concept of AI from LLS

03:05:55.040 LLMs are kind of a subset of what they're trying to accomplish with AI, but that is true.

03:06:00.100 We've got QWERTY7.

03:06:02.340 How does this help us in Canada?

03:06:03.760 This is when we were discussing art, I believe.

03:06:06.180 How does this help us in Canada?

03:06:07.360 Should we start pumping out our counter slop or just use AI to clip farm and pump out documentaries?

03:06:13.520 Only two options.

03:06:15.560 Yeah, I think you can use AI to, like, if you have something that you actually want to accomplish or making your own documentaries is actually good.

03:06:23.820 Or here's an idea. If you want to get into AI slop and be good at it, start looking for content that you like. I'm not even saying blood satellite, but how many sub stackers out there have really great written content that needs a visual representation?

03:06:43.260 think of your favorite creator that just mainly writes you know i'm thinking of john carter i

03:06:49.040 like john carter there's a dozen dozens you can think of and say well what if i take their writing

03:06:53.620 animate it in some way add a narration or something add some music and then put that

03:06:59.660 up on tiktok see if it has legs you can do a lot with ai slop to give a different form to something

03:07:05.440 that you like experiment with that if it fails don't blame me and that's not just for canada

03:07:11.040 that's everywhere else did you have any does that sound like something good morgoth or am i just

03:07:16.860 out to fucking lunch um i don't know i don't know because it's kind of bypass it it's kind

03:07:26.000 of creating an incentive where people just won't read that is true that is true

03:07:30.560 but i mean just before you know one of the things that i thought was hilarious uh that i saw which

03:07:39.660 was ei last the last week or a few days ago was when you had this uh the sydney sweeney interview

03:07:46.600 and everybody was doing their things on it everybody who's getting their takes in and

03:07:51.540 i saw one video where you know like the dd i'm gonna assume you saw the clip the you had this

03:07:59.020 kind of horrible shit lib sort of american what do they call it that the valley the valley girl

03:08:04.740 accent where it goes up at the end of every sentence this was this was a woman who was

03:08:10.260 ugly her entire life and adopted the mannerisms of what she thinks hot girls do

03:08:15.400 yeah and one of the the edits that i saw it had her head but i know it's cruel as well like but

03:08:25.080 and it had her head but they made her head look like really huge and bulbous um and she they did

03:08:32.020 the bit she did the the bit would you like to explain yourself or whatever it was she said

03:08:38.260 i'd give you the opportunity to explain that but then it cut to sydney sweeney and you had like the

03:08:45.540 lasers go in the eyes and there was this kind of aura around her um and this kind of heavenly aura

03:08:54.500 and they had summer came in from as if like there's this kind of deformed shit woman and

03:09:04.280 then you've got this kind of arian goddess holding the lane with these uh and it was all

03:09:10.480 like to a degree it was like i'm gonna assume the ai was involved with that i just thought it was

03:09:17.360 hilarious i just thought i just thought it was so funny i would say as someone with darker hair

03:09:22.140 myself i got brown hair that meme was highly destructive to the brunettes of the world

03:09:29.500 yeah so yeah it's one now and then you but mainly i'm down on it and somebody in the chat could say

03:09:37.820 that you probably don't even need ai to do that exactly hey back in my day we used to do that by

03:09:42.940 hand we had to forge our fucking memes in in adobe premiere um here we go louis shaw with another

03:09:51.900 5 whatever that is gbp i don't i don't fucking know uh who recalls the political polarization

03:09:58.200 stuff in the 2010s the end point of discussion if it was to happen it had to happen back in the

03:10:02.980 70s and 90s i'm sorry i'm not getting these when they're posted it might sound utterly incoherent

03:10:08.120 i want to get back to because i know we actually have to get going before long but you were

03:10:14.880 touching on what was supposed to be the topic of this before i led us astray it was the grooming

03:10:20.160 gangs all throughout the united kingdom maybe even broadly europe but you have done such

03:10:26.320 important writing on this topic um and the most recent if i can pull it up it was um what was it

03:10:35.480 called like the nuclear it's number five uh how multiculturalism consumes everything do you recall

03:10:41.700 the name of a the i think the one you look i did an audio recently about the the inquiry the one

03:10:48.460 you i think you're looking for is that our multicultural yes multicultural reactor five

03:10:52.660 because that was one i was looking at we're looking at oh this is the audio for people

03:10:57.220 grooming inquiry the fixes and i highly recommend looking into this and uh it's easy found on the

03:11:04.640 search the search bar of sub stack where it's great so you our multicultural reactor five is

03:11:11.300 what that one was called um and basically i mean this is separate from what i was talking about

03:11:17.960 before which is the sort of the the random kind of rapes which are the asylum seekers are doing

03:11:25.120 the grooming gangs is slightly different because then you've got these mainly pakistanis um you

03:11:32.180 know one of the things that you when you talk about these things you've got to bear in mind

03:11:37.960 that you're being watched and you know you can't make blanket statements about a group

03:11:43.660 so you'll see it mainly Pakistanis and all of it and all of this kind of language and all of this

03:11:49.920 these this kind of coping is kind of what led us to the grooming gangs situation in the first place

03:11:57.560 it's and the reason why I called it our I mean I've wrote so much about this and spoken about

03:12:04.100 this over the years and it's because as the title suggests I think in a way this is the equivalent

03:12:11.940 to the Chernobyl disaster in the Soviet Union

03:12:18.420 where what you get is kind of the failure of a regime

03:12:24.160 and a system and another managerial system at that

03:12:28.080 which is built on lies and built on corruption

03:12:33.340 and built on hiding obvious truths.

03:12:37.340 and what happens is that because of that it hemorrhages legitimacy over time which is is

03:12:44.980 the the gist of the article that on that one um which which a lot of people you know it got a lot

03:12:51.820 of traction a lot of it hit with a lot of people and i'll get into sort of the similarities because

03:12:59.100 chernobyl uh is it something that i find interesting just in and of itself because

03:13:05.020 it's the failures of a managerial state and how it copes and how it deals with a disaster which

03:13:11.940 runs against its own political formula um which is exactly what the grooming gang's issue is

03:13:18.820 and you can say like for in to be honest one of the things that i always say though is that

03:13:26.460 the soviet union did not actually want the chernobyl disaster to happen and when they

03:13:32.900 they did lie about it they did cover it up and it was because of the failures baked into the system

03:13:39.100 of itself why it happened and it's the same with the grooming gang's issues and then you kind of

03:13:45.220 begin to tease in and dig away at how this happens so you see you have to ask questions like

03:13:51.740 was it that all of the people in the councils the police the child protection services

03:13:58.600 were they all like far left um and the answer is actually no but then you think well okay so

03:14:07.680 why did they not say anything what what happened here and then you begin to look at the incentive

03:14:13.580 structures baked in to the the managerial classes who had to deal with all of this

03:14:20.080 um and it's it becomes this kind of it this is this it becomes something where you see that the

03:14:28.580 whole system is just riddled uh with this is just cancer it's like a cancer and a rot from

03:14:38.480 the very top to the very bottom and that's what's revealed in this in the again like in a similar

03:14:44.900 away is what you could say that chernobyl was the soviet union obviously people will point to

03:14:51.700 different reasons why the soviet union collapsed i'm not really saying that's why the soviet union

03:14:57.460 collapsed what i'm saying is that because of um perverse incentives baked into these systems

03:15:05.700 bureaucracies you often get horror for absolutely horrifying outcomes um which were not yeah someone

03:15:14.420 made a good point in here it's a line that i always say a system is what it does um i was using

03:15:20.340 that as recently as today uh chernobyl is a great example because and this is something we have said

03:15:25.860 before that these historic moments they tried to dismiss them as one-offs jeffrey epstein would be

03:15:34.580 another great example where the the system will say this was the one bad guy and we got him

03:15:41.220 in fact the system is operating perfectly because we got them right but anyone who

03:15:46.820 pays attention says but what does this reveal why was something like that allowed to happen

03:15:52.260 what are the reciprocating effects what is this entire system behind him and you've got him but

03:15:57.300 why won't there be another jeffrey epstein obviously there is he's not just one historical

03:16:02.980 aberration within the largest empire of the world has ever known similarly with the i hate even use

03:16:09.200 the word grooming gang i don't like accepting their framing i like to call it muslim rape gangs

03:16:13.800 you're not allowed to say that on youtube but i get away with it all the time so i don't know

03:16:17.620 but but but just say but saying that like yes they want you to think that yep there was just

03:16:23.900 one and it was like this strange thing that happened and yes we lied about it but we got it

03:16:28.120 and what we should be asking is no how how big is this and every single fucking day you get

03:16:34.640 more evidence that this is such a widespread thing and so much so many institutions and so

03:16:40.640 many players are culpable in this yeah and even even the term grooming gang is itself interesting

03:16:49.680 because when news began to trickle out mainly because of the bnp and not tommy robinson but

03:16:56.520 mainly because of the BNP and Mark Collett, Nick Griffin.

03:17:00.940 In the early 2000s, this began to poke out.

03:17:04.880 And in where it was happening, people in Britain may remember,

03:17:08.020 there was actually riots.

03:17:09.400 There was what the media were calling far-right riots going on.

03:17:14.520 So, I mean, as the fellow here says,

03:17:16.960 the name grooming gangs is interesting

03:17:20.400 because it's meant to soften.

03:17:23.320 It is meant to soften the truth of what was going on.

03:17:26.520 Because when news began to slip out, the regime didn't really have appropriate language to describe what it was.

03:17:37.840 They could have called it just sort of sexual abuse gangs or rape gangs, which is kind of weird because a lot of the girls are actually going along with them, if you know what I mean.

03:17:51.860 And so there was this phenomena that was happening, and they didn't have the language to deal with it, and they knew it was bad news.

03:18:02.180 And so they opted to have it as a politically correct term, which was soft, called grooming gangs, which everybody hates.

03:18:11.180 Everybody thinks it's a cop-out, and correctly so.

03:18:13.460 now what happened over the years is that people began to understand that the term grooming gang

03:18:22.720 that just came to what that was just a pakistani rape gang that's what that meant and as the

03:18:30.380 horrors of what was going on slipped out more and more remember it was covered up um people just

03:18:36.800 began to associate grooming gang with something truly truly appalling true on a massive scale

03:18:44.840 and so this little problem because the original term which was there meant to be a politically

03:18:51.460 correct term to soften what was actually going on went full circle to where people just associated

03:19:00.620 that with something these inter-ethnic rape gangs that were being covered up so it went all the way

03:19:07.380 back around to being a toxic term again and what began what the regime began doing is to lump in

03:19:19.200 um white pedophiles with the term grooming gang to once to want to once again change i've seen

03:19:27.520 that yeah and this so this is what uh this is what that me the one the audio that i did a week or two

03:19:34.740 back um with jeff jess phillips this is what they're trying to do so there was a huge outcry

03:19:41.000 at the beginning of the year about this when elon musk was hammering it they got pressure into doing

03:19:46.640 an inquiry and then the inquiry itself became this sort of well we're going to bring in more people

03:19:52.300 onto the panel and it'll be women who are young young women and girls who have faced abuse

03:20:02.060 they've been molested they've you know but but it'll be maybe their uncle or their cousin now

03:20:08.940 here's where you get to the sort of the kind of attitude to this which makes it all worse

03:20:15.660 And it's because what they're going to then do is say, well, a crime is a crime, a rape is a rape, and you being this kind of far-right racist, you only care about this because you can blame Pakistanis or Bangladeshis or the immigrant communities, these Islamic communities.

03:20:39.800 That's all you really care about.

03:20:41.720 You don't care about the girls.

03:20:43.040 it's this is the kind of shit yeah i'll go one further what they'll say is and if you really

03:20:48.480 care about them you would pay for free abortions like this is what they say on fucking x all day

03:20:54.760 which is like like you don't even care about this one if you did you'd give them a million dollars

03:20:59.180 and because you're not giving them a million dollars you don't care about them being raped

03:21:03.320 i'm like okay uh counterpoint um die counterpoint fucking die you know what i mean like i'm just

03:21:11.280 it's so like you it's just like the thing that you're seeing a lot of indians do now uh on x

03:21:17.580 and that's relevant to where i am in canada or we talk about these rave games we talk about these

03:21:21.500 gangs and then they've got because the the word went out in all their group chats saying like oh

03:21:27.140 here's some instances of white people doing it so hit them with that so it's like oh you all yeah

03:21:31.720 you think indian people eat poop well here's an article i found from 1978 about a woman that ate

03:21:37.100 her own poop and guess what she's right and i go uh-huh okay you know what fuck you like i'm just

03:21:42.440 i'm done with the because they're saying like oh you care about this well now you can't care about

03:21:47.120 it at all yeah and it's well in in so when they do that they're deliberately trying to muddy the

03:21:54.880 waters but he has the thing the the british sort of material state is built on racism it's baked

03:22:03.920 into law there is a huge amount of laws in this country which state specifically that crimes

03:22:11.940 involving race are more serious so that when you do when it's one race attacking another because

03:22:21.340 of its race you you'll go to jail for much harder it'll be trekked much more seriously

03:22:26.840 and that's the but they see all of this was built on the assumption that it would be whites

03:22:33.360 attacking non-whites and in one case in particular which is the Stephen Lawrence case which is why

03:22:39.740 the police ended up being broken by this was that um a couple of white lads stabbed a black

03:22:47.140 young black lad to death at a bush way back in the early 90s and then they decided the police

03:22:53.100 was institutionally racist and then all that stuff comes in so on the one hand it's like all

03:22:59.780 these racial crimes are much much more serious but then when whites are actually the victim

03:23:06.360 they tell you that a crime is just a crime and you only care about race because they're white

03:23:12.720 so it's it's it's it's just it's it's and it does affect the judges just absolutely

03:23:18.660 it affects the just for people who think this is just online discourse we're talking about this

03:23:23.660 sort of mentality impacts the judges and informs judges decisions and in canada where we're at

03:23:29.200 a lot of really the decision making is left to individual judges. American law is very,

03:23:35.880 very different. And so in most cases, judges can unilaterally just decide that someone deserves

03:23:42.980 more time because they perceive racial animus in it. So it's an easy way to 2x or 3x your

03:23:50.020 sentencing. If whatever the judge was reading that morning on the state run media or their

03:23:56.540 their niece was talking about you know maybe it's starting to turn the other way but i don't think

03:24:01.860 so so really when you enter into a court here in canada you're you're battling that the zeitgeist

03:24:09.420 and wherever it's at whether or not you maybe you look like someone who would do that maybe you

03:24:13.760 remind someone of the way someone looks in some article they read once about a skinhead or

03:24:19.400 something they're like okay and maybe you're just bald maybe you're not a skinhead maybe you shave

03:24:23.940 your head because you don't have any fucking hair too bad now you get three times the sensing

03:24:28.380 because you you represent something sort of abstract that individual who is constipated

03:24:36.060 and they're in a bad mood you know it's you're taking your life in your own hands

03:24:39.920 and it's i mean i've read the court records this way back it was of there's been many cases have

03:24:48.260 come out since but it's one of the reasons why i ended up radicalized if you want to call it that

03:24:52.400 But it's clear in the court records that there's a racial component. The girls are being targeted because they're white. And while it's happening, they're getting racial abuse.

03:25:04.380 But then it's like all of a sudden, well, they become these kind of classic liberal sort of, you know, Jordan Petersons where we're all just individuals again.

03:25:15.440 So having actually built up this massive amount of regulatory bloat and this entire sort of colossus of legal jargon based on race, when whites are the victim, it's just not there.

03:25:28.760 we all we all magic we all just magically transform back into race-blind classic liberals

03:25:36.000 where a crane is also when it comes to white girls getting raped all of a sudden they pretend to

03:25:41.740 understand what per capita is all of a sudden they say well i mean they're just in a white area

03:25:45.800 there's more white girls why wouldn't they do that you know and then you realize oh you're

03:25:49.880 actually defending this and they always cross that rubicon they always end up having to defend

03:25:55.800 and they do this by condemning white girls you see it makes you fucking sick i'm sure you've

03:26:01.020 seen it where it's like well you know what in their culture they're not a slutty in their culture

03:26:06.400 maybe these girls are asking for like they eventually they're doing the they were asking

03:26:10.460 for a thing and you know hey i'm a pretty far-right guy we're all misogynist here why is it that we're

03:26:16.460 the only ones saying that these women aren't asking for it you know what i'm saying like

03:26:21.880 and that's why when you deal with these people like you don't have values you don't principles

03:26:25.740 you just have the script you have the script that was updated and you have the consensus now

03:26:30.000 you have like what pickup artists would do it's like oh you have the new icebreaker line deploy

03:26:35.620 get this to trip them up but i'm like you've gone to the point where you are in so many ways

03:26:42.600 saying these girls deserve what and and it's again you can't talk about this without getting

03:26:47.220 utterly furious yeah um and so the the idea of it being an in-group and out-group issue

03:26:56.660 which is what i'll argue because it is um but this this gets back to the the article about

03:27:04.800 chernobyl is that what you actually get to is the lie at the heart of multiculturalism itself

03:27:12.520 where we're not just all these kind of individualistic consumers

03:27:20.880 who just work and contribute towards the GDP.

03:27:25.580 What this reveals is that there's kind of tribal hatreds,

03:27:32.660 genocidal in nature, have been imported into the country.

03:27:36.580 And if the government acknowledges that,

03:27:39.180 then the next step on from that is to that people are going to have demand policies to change it

03:27:45.760 so in the last inquiry that came out the the results of it were the i think it was the casey

03:27:54.260 report and she actually said there is a ethnic sort of ethnic on ethnic issue here the girls

03:28:03.100 are targeted because they're white and the government covers it up because they're white

03:28:07.880 and this has to be taken into account so then it becomes this kind of i just saw the word like

03:28:14.780 hot potato in the article as you are scrolling it where how the government's like well okay so

03:28:20.080 we can't actually sort of admit to the lie

03:28:23.920 we can't actually admit that all of the the the kind of the entire worldview in the country that

03:28:32.640 we've made is a lie it's it's built on nonsense um in the same way that they'd say in genoble

03:28:39.740 the incentive structure was to get cheap bore on rods because that was the way it was all skewed

03:28:46.020 another another element to this which goes into the bureaucracy itself is that there's a fascinating

03:28:51.940 adam curtis documentary one of the the older ones called the trap um and it focuses on tony

03:29:00.780 Blair knew labor quite heavily and it's all about these so it's basically the um the game theory

03:29:09.180 of that mathematician what what was he called again um he was kind of weird and autistic

03:29:14.820 but the the the thief's dilemma or something is it the dual thief's dilemma

03:29:20.560 basically the idea is that um you could you can't trust anybody and you only have to think for

03:29:29.040 yourself now the tony blair sort of regime baked this into the bureaucracy into the system itself

03:29:38.060 and it became all about these outcomes and giving people bonuses and um basically if you toe the

03:29:46.540 line and you get these quotas met you will be rewarded on the individual level and what you're

03:29:54.900 seeing on the screen there is an example of the perverse outcomes because what they did it's i

03:30:00.460 know this sounds all very boring and banal but what actually happened as one example of this

03:30:06.240 is that the nhs were under they had to abide by these quotas so if the nhs was running out of beds

03:30:17.700 or bed space they had a problem so one of the things they did in order to meet their quotas

03:30:24.540 in the hospitals was to saw the little wheels off the bottom of the trolleys that people were being

03:30:31.200 brought in on and then reclassify them as beds and another thing they did was that you had all

03:30:37.860 of these people piling up in the corridors waiting to go in and so they just pulled a curtain across

03:30:43.600 the corridor and then um renamed the corridor a ward so on paper it looked like this is doing

03:30:53.100 gangbusters this this is just amazing where the nhs has never been better but the actual lived

03:30:59.740 reality was a total horror show and when you go into the local councils and the local sort of

03:31:06.400 bureaucracies or the child protection services they got that as well but what it meant was that

03:31:14.060 you couldn't actually have an overarching morality because everybody's just an individual thinking

03:31:21.080 only about their own career and their christmas bonus uh and and a raise and a you know getting

03:31:27.800 ahead in the system without thinking so everybody becomes a kind of reptile and when you've got a

03:31:35.880 problem which is systemic this becomes a nightmare to deal with so if you then have a girl walks in

03:31:43.900 and she's got blood on her jeans and she's been beaten up and she says there's five pakistanis

03:31:50.800 around the corner in a car waiting for me i need help and then they were repeatedly turned away

03:31:58.180 from police or child protection services and ended up straight back in those cars

03:32:02.720 how does that happen well how that happens is that the incentives of the system were that

03:32:08.080 if i report this i'm going to get passed over for promotion if i report this i'm going to end up in

03:32:15.480 trouble what if she's wrong what if i come across like a racist and so all of a sudden you see

03:32:20.740 that the entire system is riddled with perverse incentives.

03:32:24.120 Also, we have a comment here from Padfa saying, look up home office counting rules as opposed

03:32:30.460 to crimes.

03:32:31.640 That's how crime is hidden, as some crimes are not counted properly.

03:32:36.500 I believe that to be the case.

03:32:38.020 You know, aside from the hospital example you gave, you see this everywhere, where they're

03:32:42.900 trying to hide the actual data and numbers.

03:32:44.780 Just today or maybe a few days ago, Carney, our prime minister, he announced that there was 65,000 jobs added to Canada.

03:32:56.180 So, yay, jobs.

03:32:58.420 But if you look at it, it's just part-time jobs.

03:33:00.640 And actually, if you look at full-time jobs, they've decreased significantly.

03:33:04.460 But it's like one of these little sleights of hand that they do, which to me comes across as malicious.

03:33:10.100 And that's why I wanted to ask you this earlier, but I completely forgot maybe now's the time because we have to get going soon.

03:33:16.940 But one thing I noticed, I'm sure you've seen the same videos about British police officers, because it seems that the police in the UK more than anywhere else seem to hold actual contempt for the people that they're visiting.

03:33:31.760 Like I've seen videos in America, Canada, Australia, where the cops are told to go and, you know, get someone because of a post or something.

03:33:42.420 And sometimes they seem almost apologetic.

03:33:45.340 But when I see videos of British police officers, whatever ridiculous, whatever law they're enforcing, because it's always, I've got your social media posts here, and it's just frivolous nonsense.

03:33:57.680 But they seem to take it very, very seriously.

03:33:59.660 It seems that this grooming inquiry, you might call it, has been going on for so long, but I haven't heard any leaks from the police. I haven't seen a single police officer admit that anything went wrong. Of course, there's the blue wall of silence, but I guess the question is, does it seem like the case to you that the British police seem to have particular contempt towards the public?

03:34:24.620 yeah they do um and basically they've just had their brains fried with regime propaganda since

03:34:34.440 what i was talking about earlier um with the stephen lawrence case there was a there was a

03:34:40.520 huge investigation into that that was called the mcpherson report that was when the police was

03:34:45.240 sort of classed as institutionally racist and they basically purged the entire police they just

03:34:50.620 relentlessly came down on the police but in more recent years something even more sort of insidious

03:34:56.680 is happening where the the actual kind of um good policemen are leaving the force in droves by the

03:35:05.520 thousands now that's actually a bit we had because i think they signed up for a few years at a time

03:35:11.460 um so so you tend to get like every so often there'll be like 10 000 leave in a year or

03:35:17.620 something and what they're doing is filling this up filling up those placements with feminists and

03:35:26.860 and girl bosses and bug men they're luring the bar and the people who are they're bringing in

03:35:33.400 are they're basically they're they're regime friendlies they're being vetted on that basis

03:35:39.480 this is how you end up with kind of scrawny little 20 year old girls who are five foot two and and

03:35:47.500 but with like a head full of self-righteous dogma but the man who was 45 years old

03:35:56.340 uh and still fit but with a lot of experience and sort of empathy he's he they're on the outs

03:36:03.360 not just because they're being pushed and passed over which they are but because they're just

03:36:08.800 getting out because it's a thoroughly miserable existence yeah that's that's why i don't know if

03:36:14.060 there's, you know, someone made a comment earlier in the chat that says the police investigated

03:36:18.680 themselves and found that the police did nothing wrong. So I think we need to end it right around

03:36:24.620 there. But I want to see if you have any closing thoughts. I know this is such a big topic. You've

03:36:30.540 been covering it for as long as anyone I've known. I know Patriot Alternative have probably been on

03:36:36.180 this tip for quite some time and others. But I think of you when I think of someone who's been

03:36:40.780 staying on this topic for so long is there any cause for optimism have you seen things get better

03:36:48.420 worse stay the same is there any light via this tunnel as far as you can see um one of the things

03:36:56.980 are changing very fast in britain because what's happened is i mean i've wrote about this as well

03:37:03.040 but what's happened is that the multicultural sort of third world biomass and its barbarism

03:37:11.200 is becoming too much for the regime to handle there's there's a there's a there's a certain

03:37:16.980 amount of buy-in that any political system has to have a certain amount of buy-in from most of the

03:37:24.720 people most of the time um and ours doesn't and this this is where you get into some some dangerous

03:37:31.640 territory this is where you get into the disconnect um and the the state of the country

03:37:39.020 is just shocking so we'll we'll see that there there's a little bit of hope there

03:37:46.920 uh i'm i'm not known for my optimism but i'm not i'm not just i'm not just pessimistic because

03:37:54.060 that's my brand i'm not just like sort of shilling despair i just try and be realistic about it

03:38:01.640 and to be honest is i can't but what i do see just the sheer sort of scale of the anger

03:38:08.600 in the country um there's a little bit there there's a there's a little flicker of light there

03:38:15.380 and that is a good place and i wanted to show people you need to check out his youtube page

03:38:20.880 more goth's review um i neglected to mention this at the start but you host a show with

03:38:26.860 a good friend of mine

03:38:27.780 by the name of Endeavor

03:38:28.800 classic movies

03:38:30.380 that's the one

03:38:32.060 hey

03:38:32.360 that's one type of thing

03:38:33.340 we produce in this

03:38:34.140 that'll never get old

03:38:35.200 I even do my own

03:38:36.020 fucking review show

03:38:37.120 so check that out

03:38:39.140 on YouTube

03:38:40.000 and also

03:38:40.640 be sure

03:38:41.400 if you haven't already

03:38:42.240 you must check out

03:38:43.120 his sub stack

03:38:43.880 Morgoth's review

03:38:45.580 you can find

03:38:46.700 as I've shown

03:38:47.500 on this stream

03:38:49.080 the couple articles

03:38:50.360 to look at

03:38:50.940 but there's all kinds

03:38:51.640 of great stuff on here

03:38:52.440 go listen to

03:38:53.460 The Grooming Inquiry

03:38:55.000 The Fixes

03:38:55.560 and to learn more

03:38:56.420 about this highly depressing topic but uh i mean i do i do just my final word i do um

03:39:04.240 i try not to pay a wall because i want people to sort of get read the stuff and that but every

03:39:09.720 month i do a podcast where i read through all of the articles of the month and give a few takes

03:39:16.920 here and there for for like paid subscribers so i try to keep everybody sort of happy and that's

03:39:23.720 a more intimate little thing that i do at the end of each month so if you don't have time to

03:39:29.260 read a lot of articles like i'll read through them all at the end of the month that's a great

03:39:34.280 thing that that i'm sure makes a lot of people happy i do something similar uh that upsets people

03:39:39.380 so i do this uh paywall show called real secret coffee hours where i try and focus stuff i don't

03:39:45.360 want to do on blood satellite because we don't like to get into a lot of drama on there so i

03:39:50.740 said i'm going to make a show that just covers right-wing drama and it covers like debates people

03:39:55.860 have and when people write sub stacks against each other we just review those and uh there's

03:40:02.900 not as much as you might think because sometimes i'm just searching i'm like who's who's feuding

03:40:07.380 this week and it's nothing no one's really feuding or it's well i i i wouldn't know about anything

03:40:13.780 like that but uh i'm gonna get going then so thank you again for taking the time this has

03:40:17.860 This has been wonderful.

03:40:18.480 Thank you, everyone, for showing up, and I'll see you all next time.

03:40:22.400 Hey, baby, I hear the blues are calling, called salads and scrambled eggs.

03:40:29.380 And maybe I seem a bit confused.

03:40:32.320 Yeah, maybe, but I got you, Peg.

Blood Satellite - November 14, 2025

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