Candace Owens - Another Person Fired for criticizing Israel？! My Interview With Briahna Joy Gray ｜ Candace Ep 5

00:00:00.000 We'll be right back.

00:00:30.000 One question. Is America a sovereign nation or are we being controlled by Israel?

00:00:34.140 I know. I know. That question someday is probably going to get me arrested.

00:00:37.200 I know this anti-Semitism bill is making its way through Congress.

00:00:41.040 And yeah, I don't know if we're going to be able to have free speech anymore.

00:00:45.520 So let me get it all out while there's still time.

00:00:47.900 Well, what we have coming up for you is Breonna Joy Gray.

00:00:50.820 She's the former press secretary to Bernie Sanders.

00:00:53.360 And she probably has something to say about that question because she was recently fired from The Hill. 0.98

00:00:59.220 She claims it's because she criticized Israel.

00:01:02.680 Is Breonna just anti-Semitic?

00:01:04.340 I'm going to let you decide because I believe that you can decide when you hear people in their own words.

00:01:09.000 That's what's coming up today on Candace.

00:01:10.820 All right. So it's getting pretty weird out there.

00:01:27.560 I think we can all agree.

00:01:29.060 No, I'm not going to say it.

00:01:30.760 But like, you know, it seems like our country is being held hostage by Israel. 0.98

00:01:37.180 OK, I'm going to get in so much over that.

00:01:38.380 I don't even care.

00:01:39.520 It's something's cracking.

00:01:41.620 It's catalyzing.

00:01:42.800 The conversation is moving because we are seeing people that are having their entire livelihoods destroyed for critiquing a foreign nation as an absurdity.

00:01:52.420 You know, it's an absurdity.

00:01:53.120 Think about this.

00:01:53.680 In 2020, the United States government announced that it was considering banning the Chinese social media platform TikTok.

00:01:59.380 That was upon a request from then President Donald Trump.

00:02:02.560 He viewed TikTok as a national security threat.

00:02:05.700 So he signed an executive order that same year banning TikTok in just 45 days if it was not sold.

00:02:12.800 And guess what happened?

00:02:14.620 That executive order got blocked.

00:02:15.940 The app survived until the app got on the wrong side of Israel.

00:02:21.420 You guys remember this after October 7th.

00:02:24.260 Things on TikTok weren't trending in the pro-Israel way.

00:02:27.580 In fact, it was very much trending in the pro-Palestinian way.

00:02:31.020 And the ADL's John Greenblatt said, yeah, no, this is a problem and we have to deal with it.

00:02:36.320 Let me jog your memory.

00:02:37.120 Here's what he said.

00:02:37.680 We really have a TikTok problem, a Gen Z problem, that our community needs to put the same brains that gave us Tag Lee, the same brains that gave us all these other amazing innovations, need to put our energy toward this, like, fast. 0.99

00:02:54.560 Because, again, like we've been chasing this left-right divide.

00:02:58.580 It's the wrong game.

00:03:01.900 The real game is the next generation.

00:03:04.700 Seems like a really nice guy.

00:03:05.920 He just needs to deal with this generational problem that is TikTok.

00:03:10.280 And boy, did he move fast.

00:03:12.760 Yeah, the anti-Semitism bill, which is horrific, made its way through the House and it got passed somehow.

00:03:19.500 Yeah, forget your First Amendment, guys.

00:03:21.740 If you've got something to say about Israel, yeah, you're going to be in big trouble.

00:03:25.640 Forget your First Amendment.

00:03:26.260 If you even accuse someone who is Jewish of having more allegiance to Israel than they do to America, you are going to be in trouble.

00:03:37.420 Forget the First Amendment, you guys.

00:03:39.420 If you have any inclination as a Christian that you have a right to believe in the story of Jesus Christ, that is our doctrine.

00:03:51.920 He's our Lord.

00:03:52.500 He's our Savior.

00:03:53.460 Well, you better be very careful if you're going to talk about how the Jews played any sort of role in his persecution.

00:04:00.980 Yeah, because that's what's in the anti-Semitism bill.

00:04:04.220 Being a Christian will pretty much be banned if it gets passed.

00:04:07.140 So, yeah, things are pretty strange and it makes sense when you consider the fact that Thomas Massey, my favorite congressman in the entire world, because he seems to be the only one that will stand up to AIPAC, recently went on Tucker Carlson and he had this to say.

00:04:24.320 Take a listen.

00:04:25.720 Everybody but me has an AIPAC person.

00:04:28.280 What does that mean, an AIPAC person?

00:04:29.560 It's like your babysitter, your AIPAC babysitter, who is always talking to you for AIPAC.

00:04:36.060 They're probably a constituent in your district, but they are, you know, firmly embedded in AIPAC.

00:04:43.800 Every member has something like this?

00:04:46.700 I don't know how it works on the Democrat side, but that's how it works on the Republican side.

00:04:53.040 And when they come to D.C., you go have lunch with them and they've got your cell number and you have conversations with them.

00:05:00.640 So I've had like.

00:05:02.440 That's absolutely crazy.

00:05:03.600 I've had four members of Congress say, I'll talk to my AIPAC person and it's clearly what we call them, my AIPAC guy.

00:05:11.920 I'll talk to my AIPAC guy and see if I can get him to, you know, dial those ads back.

00:05:17.760 I'll talk to my AIPAC person.

00:05:19.220 I was going to talk to you guys about this topic, but I got to I got to go call my AIPAC person because I got to see what I'm allowed to say.

00:05:24.600 Does that seem normal to you?

00:05:27.020 He goes on later to talk about how they should have to register, obviously, because you have a foreign country that is impacting American politics and that should be illegal. 0.98

00:05:38.960 But of course, Thomas Massey is playing in some waiting in some dangerous water, so to speak, because we know that there was once a president who wanted to make AIPAC register as foreign and he ended up shot.

00:05:53.040 Coincidentally, ended up shot.

00:05:56.160 So Thomas Massey better be careful.

00:05:58.340 And it's not just what's happening down in D.C.

00:06:01.140 It's also what's happening in media.

00:06:03.400 We are seeing people get plucked, plucked, plucked, not because they're anti-Semitic, but because they're not pro-Israel enough.

00:06:11.060 You know, they're not happy, I guess, when when an innocent Palestinian kid dies.

00:06:15.820 That's what it seems like if you if you if you are not completely doing the work of AIPAC and if you are not willing to support every action that Bibi Netanyahu does, then the media will perpetuate you as an anti-Semite who should lose everything.

00:06:28.680 And that is wrong.

00:06:30.060 And there is somebody who claims that she recently just went through that.

00:06:32.960 As I told you at the top, her name is Breonna Joy Gray, and she was fired. 0.93

00:06:37.480 According to the headlines, it was because of her shocking response to the sister of a Hamas hostage.

00:06:42.680 I'm going to let you hear what Breonna said to the sister of the Hamas hostage.

00:06:47.360 And tell me if you're completely shocked by it.

00:06:49.720 Take a listen to Breonna while she was at the Hill interviewing this young woman.

00:06:54.700 I'm just going to push back against the implication that in Michigan, which has the largest Muslim and Arab population in America, that there is any threat of terrorism from our own people.

00:07:04.360 And I would like to clarify also that one of the rationale that was presented for 9-11 was discussed with America's support of Israel's continued occupation of Palestine.

00:07:17.280 So that's neither here nor there.

00:07:18.940 I really do hope that Netanyahu agrees and Israel agrees to the ceasefire deal that could bring all the hostages, including your sister, home.

00:07:27.360 And I'm sure many people watching are praying for her safety.

00:07:30.080 Thank you.

00:07:32.020 Me too.

00:07:32.500 And I really hope that you specifically will believe women when they say that they got hurt.

00:07:40.480 All right.

00:07:40.900 Thanks for joining.

00:07:42.380 Stick around.

00:07:43.400 More Rising coming up next.

00:07:45.640 There it is.

00:07:47.020 Shocking.

00:07:48.220 She seems to have rolled her eyes when the young woman told her to believe women.

00:07:53.400 I mean, that hashtag, just believe women, of course, is something that makes me roll my eyes as well.

00:07:58.060 We want to believe our hard facts and we want to be able to discern what is actually happening.

00:08:04.660 But I'm not going to contextualize anything that bright.

00:08:06.480 I'm going to allow her to speak on behalf of herself.

00:08:09.460 We'll have that coming up for you guys in just a second.

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00:09:18.920 All right, ladies and gentlemen, we just showed you the clip and monologue of Brianna Joy Gray.

00:09:24.120 You heard what she had to say, obviously speaking to a victim's sister.

00:09:29.500 I thought she sounded compassionate.

00:09:30.960 I didn't see the interview before I read the headlines.

00:09:33.600 The headline that I saw reads, this is from the Daily Mail, Brianna Joy Gray is fired after her shocking response to sister of Hamas hostage.

00:09:42.960 So I was like, wow, what did Brianna say? 0.93

00:09:46.340 She must have just been off the rails, crazy.

00:09:49.420 It's not what I got.

00:09:50.780 Very, very excited, Brianna, to have you join us here today.

00:09:54.560 I know you're in the midst of a firestorm.

00:09:56.960 How are you doing?

00:09:57.620 I'm doing all right.

00:09:58.920 And I really do appreciate you reaching out, Candace, as someone who has been through this not so unique experience.

00:10:05.260 I was going to say unique experience, but increasingly it's happening as I think more and more journalists who might not have focused on this particular issue in the past find themselves doing so, informing themselves,

00:10:16.180 and finding themselves on the, quote unquote, wrong side of this issue when it comes to censorship.

00:10:21.360 So I really do appreciate you reaching out.

00:10:23.720 And it's interesting to have you and I speaking because we are not on the same side of the political aisle.

00:10:28.500 I mean, you are a person, your background, you were the spokesperson for the Bernie Sanders campaign.

00:10:34.100 I mean, I was very much identified as a Trump supporter about as far as you could be in the media's eyes when he was running in 2016.

00:10:42.080 And yet we do find ourselves allied in the belief that people in America should be able to criticize the actions of foreign governments without having their entire livelihoods risked.

00:10:58.640 This is not normal.

00:11:00.240 And yet there are so many people who know, like I know and like you know, that if you are in media, you got to be careful talking about Israel.

00:11:07.280 Why is that?

00:11:08.960 Yeah, it really is the one true red line.

00:11:12.100 And I think you experienced that as being part of a media organization that I think rightly really prioritized and focused on various threats to free speech in various different contexts and across the political spectrum.

00:11:24.600 But it really does feel like free speech, except for when it comes to Israel, progressive, except for when it comes to Palestine.

00:11:32.060 I mean, there is this Palestine sized hole or exception in a lot of people's principled stance against various issues.

00:11:39.820 And I say progressive, except for Palestine, because there are similarly people on the left who say that they care about various groups, who say that they are anti-war, but who very similarly will look the other way or frankly become very oppositional when suddenly the people that we're talking about who are being under siege in a conflict are in fact Palestinian.

00:12:00.060 Yeah. And it's particularly interesting to see the way the media reports on these incidents.

00:12:06.280 And I see it already in how they're speaking about your firing because they don't actually say what it is that you said that was controversial.

00:12:14.920 I saw this when Alpha Daily Wire, Andrew Klavan does this episode.

00:12:18.280 He's like, she was saying things in a way, but he can't actually point to what I said because actually there was something that I said that was controversial.

00:12:24.780 Unless you view a certain race to be just above and above critique really is what it is.

00:12:32.420 If you view a certain race to be above critique.

00:12:34.620 And I found that when I was being lied upon by a man named Rabbi Barclay.

00:12:41.000 I mean, he lied so badly about me that they PJ Media wound up taking the article down after I interviewed him because I was genuinely curious.

00:12:47.680 Like, how could you say you're a rabbi or supposed to be a leader in your community and you're publishing lies about things that I never said.

00:12:55.440 And when he when he spoke to me, he was very honest. 0.88

00:12:59.440 And I realized, OK, he's actually just a racial supremacist.

00:13:02.360 He's telling me that he believes that, you know, if Jewish blood is shed, it does, in fact, matter more when it is Jewish history. 0.54

00:13:10.480 It matters more. And I appreciated his honesty.

00:13:13.540 And I could see why we were going to be on the wrong side of this issue, because I don't believe in racial supremacy, whether it's coming from BLM leaders talking about, you know, their list of demands for white people.

00:13:23.200 I don't believe in racial supremacy if it's white people.

00:13:25.820 And I certainly am not going to accept it if it's Jewish people. 1.00

00:13:29.100 I just that's not something that anyone should accept.

00:13:31.900 Well, it'll come as no surprise to you, Candice, that I feel differently about when we can get more specific about your qualms with BLM.

00:13:39.780 But with respect to Israel, I do think that what has become increasingly clear to people is that the ideology that sort of justifies a Jewish state created in the middle of an Arab land really requires a commitment to basically expelling, ethnically cleansing, 0.50

00:14:00.040 and even committing what has been described by the ICJ as a plausible genocide against the population so that there can be a Jewish majority.

00:14:07.740 And I know that's a sort of uncomfortable fact, but it's one that I think many people are coming to when you start to question why it is that Israel has made the choice to treat five million people who are in constructively occupied territory in both the West Bank and Gaza,

00:14:23.580 as second class citizens for years and years, not to mention the 20 percent of Israel's population, who are subject to about 60 different laws that discriminate against them in terms of housing, employment and in other kinds of arenas.

00:14:36.480 And it all comes down to when you start to listen to people explain why they think it's acceptable to, for example, kill over 270 Palestinians and murder so many children the way we saw just a few days ago in Gaza to rescue three hostages.

00:14:53.580 You have people very openly saying it's justified. It would have been justified to kill 500, 1,000 Palestinians if it meant getting three hostages back. 0.98

00:15:02.360 And I certainly understand prioritizing hostage exchange. And this is what I told to the sister of the hostage that I spoke to on Rising last week.

00:15:11.520 Certainly, if you want to prioritize hostage exchange, I agree with that. And we should be talking about the protests that are being put on by the families of hostages in Israel against Netanyahu because they rightly perceive him as being the primary obstacle to prioritizing hostage exchange over what he has said is his priority, which is eliminating Hamas. 0.78

00:15:34.000 All that being said, there are ways to get the hostages back. It is evident and could have gotten back months and months ago if that were, in fact, the priority.

00:15:42.420 But instead, the cost, the value of Palestinian life is perceived as so cheap as compared to Israeli lives that we've seen and said that they would rather do these military organizations with the help of the U.S. government using a U.S. built pier that cost $300,000, was told it was a humanitarian pier,

00:16:01.080 using an action that was in fact a war crime using a humanitarian vehicle to Trojan horse military officers into a refugee camp and then kill almost 300 Palestinians in the effort to get three hostages back and also losing an Israeli soldier at the same time.

00:16:21.940 Does that really seem worth it? I think the average person says no.

00:16:24.700 And the only reason you come to a yes is if you really very cheaply value lives that are not Israeli. 0.84

00:16:31.780 And that's where I'm getting at where I say it actually is what we're talking about is just racial supremacy.

00:16:35.860 You know, I don't know a single person who was not horrified about what happened on October 7th, who obviously wants every hostage to be returned because we value the lives of the innocent full stop.

00:16:45.100 It doesn't matter to me if that's an innocent Palestinian life or whether it's an innocent Israeli life. 0.57

00:16:48.960 And as soon as I was saying this is equal to me, suddenly all of these attacks started.

00:16:53.220 And I really did feel like what was happening after October 7th is very reminiscent to me of what was happening after 9-11 and growing up in the 9-11.

00:17:02.420 And I look back on that time because I realized that there was this sort of media insistence.

00:17:06.860 We didn't have social media. We didn't have other perspectives being given to us.

00:17:10.160 There really was no sense of an independent media.

00:17:12.260 But I look back on that and I realized I was almost brainwashed to believe that Muslim life had no worth.

00:17:17.180 Thinking about how scared I was every time I saw a Muslim, you know, wherever I was, whether I was an airport, anywhere. 1.00

00:17:22.340 And I actually believe that the media in America was successful in dehumanizing Muslims.

00:17:26.820 I'm not a little girl anymore. OK, I'm an adult. I am a woman.

00:17:30.500 I'm a mother, which is the most important thing.

00:17:33.720 And I just remember after October 7th, I was I was very due to give birth looking on Twitter and seeing these children.

00:17:42.080 These children happen to have the same complexion as my daughter because I have a mixed child being blown up. 1.00

00:17:48.340 And then having people tell me that I shouldn't care about that.

00:17:52.280 And I said to myself, OK, I totally understand people wanting to have their hostages returned.

00:17:57.820 I can totally understand people wanting to make sure that their family is safe.

00:18:02.580 But what I cannot understand is how you think you are a good person when you devalue the life of a child. 1.00

00:18:10.260 You are a monster. I don't care who you are. I don't care if you're an American commentator. 1.00

00:18:13.340 I don't care if you're a rich billionaire. I don't care for the average person on the street.

00:18:17.620 When you applaud one hostage being returned and yet, you know, thousands of people who are similarly innocent were killed in the process and you go, oh, well, too bad. 0.98

00:18:29.440 You become a monster. And I know that there are so many people who agree with me in media who are scared to say that because they are fearful of having their jobs.

00:18:40.400 They are fearful of losing their jobs, rather. So can you speak to exactly how you found out you were being terminated and on what grounds you were terminated?

00:18:48.920 Yeah, I mean, the the email that I posted to Twitter is the entire record of contact that I've had with the Hill.

00:18:58.500 So I usually worked Monday through Thursdays. We had just shifted through a Monday to Wednesday schedule at my insistence,

00:19:04.720 in part because of how hostile the environment had become, not just on air with my co-host, who I'm, you know, obviously the point of the show is for us to debate.

00:19:13.800 And we have a good working relationship off screen. But with the staff behind the scenes, new producers that had been hired,

00:19:20.940 who ostensibly were there to exert some broader editorial guidance over the show, but seem to focus very specifically on minimizing the extent to which we could cover the Israel-Palestine conflict.

00:19:35.440 There were a number of indicators for months now that they were unhappy with the tenor of the show.

00:19:41.940 Obviously, my co-host Robbie was there to push back. I don't know if they found his pushback to be inadequate,

00:19:47.220 but they kept wanting to have specific kinds of guests on the show, which I, of course, was open to.

00:19:50.900 I have never turned down a guest for ideological reasons.

00:19:54.500 I cannot say the same for guests that were aligned with my ideological perspective and my co-host, I have to say.

00:20:00.520 But I noticed that when they were trying to find guests that presented a pro-Israel point of view,

00:20:07.060 unlike the kind of guests that I seek to bring on who have some kind of issue area expertise,

00:20:11.340 let's say because they're a journalist or let's say because they're a professor or let's say because they're a politician, an elected official,

00:20:18.680 they would bring on people who seem to just be Internet actors who would come on and instead of taking questions from Robbie and I

00:20:25.480 in a professional kind of interview style of format, would very quickly try to personalize the issue

00:20:30.140 and want to have an argument with me about whatever tweet that they last seen of mine that they didn't like,

00:20:34.760 which obviously puts me in a really tough position as a host who wants to be gracious and sort of moderate

00:20:39.680 and not get into a back and forth with a guest.

00:20:42.240 But the guests started increasingly coming on with this kind of ideology.

00:20:46.560 So there were indicators like that.

00:20:48.340 I got a message from On High that we were not allowed to interview Norm Finkelstein.

00:20:53.940 I know you sat down with him for a really terrific interview that I watched and I thought was really well done.

00:21:00.180 And the argument was that he was a Holocaust denier.

00:21:04.480 Norm Finkelstein, as you're aware, is someone whose parents both survived the Holocaust

00:21:08.760 and knows the horrors of the Holocaust much more intimately and personally than most people alive today.

00:21:15.180 And the final straw was when we got an indication that this most recent guest,

00:21:19.880 as the sister of a hostage, wanted to come on, it was pitched to me specifically that she wanted to come on

00:21:25.540 to talk to me, not to be interviewed by both myself and my co-host, but that she wanted to talk to me.

00:21:31.420 And to me, that was a clue that it was going to be another one of these interviews

00:21:34.060 where a guest who has a really legitimate point of view, obviously,

00:21:38.300 as someone who has been living in the limbo of not knowing whether or not someone she loves

00:21:43.720 more than almost anyone else in the world is safe, that is a perspective we absolutely should have on the show.

00:21:49.460 But I was worried that exactly what happened would happen and that she would turn this into a referendum

00:21:54.820 on my own personal political views and try to play sort of both the position of a human being

00:22:02.560 who's going through something really tough for whom we should all have compassion,

00:22:05.900 but also someone who is advancing a political ideology and advancing very specific untruths on a news show

00:22:13.120 that it's my job as a reporter and journalist to push back on and fact check in real time.

00:22:20.700 Yeah, I can't think of anything, you know, grosser than utilizing the victimhood,

00:22:26.560 the true victimhood of your sister to advance a political ideology that shouldn't be the case, you know.

00:22:30.520 And you are absolutely correct that there does seem to be this media environment where they are propagandizing.

00:22:37.500 They're propagandizing because if you truly believe in free speech and you truly believe that the best idea wins,

00:22:41.740 then you should have no problem sitting down and having a meaningful debate, right?

00:22:44.940 To call Norm Finkelstein a Holocaust denier when his parents survived the Holocaust, it's absurd.

00:22:49.440 It's so absurd they don't want him on the show, right? 0.89

00:22:51.120 They don't want him on the show because, of course, once he speaks, you realize it's completely ridiculous 0.86

00:22:55.040 to make that sort of an accusation.

00:22:57.220 But we're seeing that happen on so many networks that purport to be about free speech.

00:23:01.300 And I am somebody who has moved so much in my political ideology from, you know, where I was on the left

00:23:06.780 and then realizing that I felt, I know that we disagree here, that I had it completely wrong,

00:23:11.740 which should show people that I am willing to move, right?

00:23:15.240 If you actually present an idea to me and I find your idea to be valid, I am happy to jump on your side.

00:23:20.800 And yet you see on this one issue, the loudest, most platformed pro-Israel voices don't want to debate.

00:23:29.540 They don't want to debate.

00:23:30.180 I've reached out.

00:23:30.980 I've tried to have people on for a debate.

00:23:32.180 They don't want to debate.

00:23:34.020 And the only people that don't want to debate their ideas while they're sitting and they're talking down to you

00:23:39.180 and they're telling you that they're right and you're wrong and you're an anti-Semite are the people that are lying.

00:23:43.660 That's my view. 1.00

00:23:44.280 You're a liar, okay? 0.99

00:23:45.280 Because I'm Candace, I don't have all of the degrees that the rest of these people have who think that they're so smart and they're so brilliant. 0.99

00:23:52.460 Wouldn't you just think that you would slam me in a debate? 0.95

00:23:55.340 I'm so dumb and you're so smart and you're so wise and you just need to teach us things. 0.95

00:24:00.840 If the Israel argument is valid, sit down and debate it with somebody who is against the Israel argument. 0.99

00:24:07.900 That's it.

00:24:08.560 And let people watch it and let people observe it and let people move their opinion one way or the other.

00:24:14.080 But I do want to ask you, Brianna, because we don't have much time here, a lot of stuff is also happening in Congress.

00:24:19.800 I don't know if you caught Thomas Massey.

00:24:21.360 He's my favorite congressman ever.

00:24:22.900 I make Thomas Massey stan.

00:24:24.860 He sat down with Tucker Carlson and he said essentially every Republican in Congress except for him has an AIPAC handler.

00:24:32.300 An AIPAC handler.

00:24:33.860 We have seen the strength of AIPAC.

00:24:35.820 We have seen the strength of the ADL.

00:24:37.340 We talked about in monologue, which you didn't get to see, how Trump couldn't get this thing done.

00:24:42.400 He wanted to ban TikTok because he had concerns about China.

00:24:45.520 Suddenly John Greenblatt swoops in and it's gone.

00:24:49.820 TikTok has got to go or at least it passes in the House.

00:24:52.200 And immediately you start to realize who's actually controlling Congress.

00:24:56.640 Yeah, and it's not it's not just Republicans.

00:24:59.140 I followed the Massey AIPAC challenge very closely because it mirrors, frankly, the kind of challenges we've been seeing on the left for quite some time.

00:25:09.940 The left, you know, not liberals who I am frequently a critic of.

00:25:14.220 I think I critique more than any other group is not what I'm talking about here.

00:25:17.600 I'm talking about real progressives, you know, to the left of Bernie, frankly, have frequently found themselves in the exact same situation as Thomas Massey, because it is, again, the one and true only red line on a bipartisan basis that nobody on either side of the aisle is allowed to cross.

00:25:34.020 So you've seen these mounting AIPAC challenges from candidates like Anita Turner in Ohio's 11th District.

00:25:40.780 Summer Lee was able to survive her challenge. 0.96

00:25:42.620 You're seeing Jamal Bowman in New York getting challenged along these lines.

00:25:47.000 And you're seeing a lot of I know you have an interest in kind of the craven weaponization of identity politics and the exploitation of race to lend cover to what are, frankly, in this case, kind of a foreign policy agenda, but are often sort of corporate policy agendas.

00:26:04.940 And there's often overlap between the two.

00:26:06.580 As we're talking about Israel, we can't not talk about defense contracting and Boeing and why there is so much incentive to continue this war along with so many others.

00:26:16.200 But what you see is that particularly people like Richie Torres, Congress members who are black and brown, are often weaponized to advance the interests of Israel in this case.

00:26:29.260 Hakeem Jeffries, also from New York, frequently famously says Israel is the sixth borough.

00:26:35.680 Mayor Adams, unsurprisingly, is a big advocate for Israel.

00:26:40.240 And I think they try to disguise the extent to which there is a conflict of interest there between the average working class American and the interests that are being pushed by a foreign lobby by dressing it up in the veneer of a trusted black representative. 0.91

00:26:56.060 On the other hand, and I think we talked about this a little bit before we started recording, those black representatives and political leaders that don't fall in line are subject to particular scrutiny and particularly forceful pushback.

00:27:11.120 And I think that's part of what you experience is part of what I experienced.

00:27:15.000 The Stop Anti-Semitism account recently decided to post a picture of a random black high school student who had said that they want to free Palestine, really targeting in particular black people.

00:27:27.660 Because I think they're capitalizing on this stereotype that because there is, I think, a longstanding tradition of black people kind of empathizing with the situation of Palestinians, because frankly, it is familiar that we have historically also been tarred with the label anti-Semite.

00:27:42.960 And it's a method to effectively shut down conversations about this issue.

00:27:47.860 That's exactly right.

00:27:48.540 And I do actually totally agree with you that there does seem this particular targeting of black American voices.

00:27:53.420 And I can't figure that, I can't figure that out.

00:27:55.220 I don't know why it is, but this, you're labeled anti-Semite from Michael Jackson, you know, me.

00:28:00.680 And I'm going, what are you even, what are you talking about?

00:28:02.560 There's literally no record of this.

00:28:03.920 I've worked for Jewish companies my entire life.

00:28:06.000 How did I just become a raging anti-Semite simply because I have questions about what is happening to these innocent Palestinian children and why we are treating them like their lives don't matter.

00:28:15.820 Again, my position is that what we're seeing operating in the media are racial supremacists.

00:28:20.200 And I think that they're taking the wrong side here.

00:28:24.300 I feel it.

00:28:25.280 You can sense it in the air.

00:28:27.160 People are starting to ask questions.

00:28:29.100 People are seeing what is happening to people.

00:28:31.240 There seems to be an awakening on this issue.

00:28:33.340 And let me tell you, if this awakening speeds up, and I think it is, it's catalyzing, people are going to look back and remember these voices that sat there and supported racial supremacy because they didn't want to lose their jobs.

00:28:44.600 That supported racial supremacy, supported the death of innocent children who are out there saying outrageous things, applauding the death of children as long as they get back one person, as opposed to saying, no, this conflict needs to come to an end because too many children are dying.

00:28:58.080 I have no regrets in what I've said.

00:28:59.920 I have no regrets in the way that I've been treated in the media because at the end of the day, my relationship doesn't matter with the boss.

00:29:04.780 It matters with God.

00:29:05.600 And they are all going to have to account to God one day.

00:29:09.280 And you can see these psychopaths in media, you know, that are trying to sell you something different and tell you that there's something wrong with you or you're perverted because you feel bad for a dead child that you are seeing on your screen.

00:29:20.660 Yeah.

00:29:20.960 I wouldn't want to be those people when you have to meet the ultimate boss one day and really account for what you've created and, you know, throughout your life.

00:29:29.160 Yeah, Candace, I would love to just speak to that Jewish supremacy point, if I could, to clarify for some people who might hear that phraseology and find it to be a little bit dissonant.

00:29:40.340 I just want to say that, obviously, I think we can all understand that any supremacy movement is a problem.

00:29:46.080 It is, we are, I think, so rightly appalled by the horrors of the Holocaust and we have been so, that has been emphasized and taught to us so strongly in our education as we grow up, rightly so, that I think the idea of even thinking about Jewish supremacy is sometimes difficult to wrap your brain around because we're so focused on the opposite, right? 0.98

00:30:15.340 Anti-Semitism and the relatively recent historical tragedy that ended up killing two-thirds of the world's Jewish population in a horrible Holocaust, right?

00:30:28.400 You know, and I want to just really address that dissonance because what I'm talking about, and I think what you were talking about when we're talking about supremacy, is an ideology that I think is required to support Zionism, but which is not fundamental to Judaism as a whole.

00:30:44.580 That's correct. Judaism is not Zionism.

00:30:46.960 Right. There's been this effort to conflate the two because we all abhor the notion of being anti-Semitic, right?

00:30:55.100 And I think there is a sensitivity to that that Zionists are aware of, and so they know that it's easier to marginalize someone for being anti-Semitic than anti-Zionists because what is Zionism?

00:31:05.420 Zionism is a particular political belief that thinks that there should be a Jewish state established in a part of the world that is overwhelmingly Arab.

00:31:13.380 And when you do that, it requires you to establish a democratic majority to not allow Palestinians to, for instance, have the right of return. 0.76

00:31:21.620 That a, you know, a Jewish person who was born in New York or Philadelphia or Iowa is able to have the right, even if they've never stepped foot in that region, to move there.

00:31:32.320 Whereas a Palestinian who has keys to the house that they owned before they were expelled in the Nakba in 1948 is not allowed to visit the country.

00:31:41.780 Where Palestinians who work in Israel via work permits are forced to wait for hours at checkpoints or who need to get better hospital care than is available to them in the occupied territories have to wait even if their health is imperiled because there's different roads and different rules for Palestinians, for Arabs in Israel.

00:32:03.280 This is an apartheid state. It's a two-tiered state that specifically gives different rights, superior rights to people who are Jewish as opposed to people who are Muslim and Arab. 0.79

00:32:13.520 And I say Arab and Muslim separately because there are Christian Arabs in Gaza who have their churches being bombed, who are themselves being killed.

00:32:21.760 Justin Amash, a libertarian former congress member, had multiple family members killed by U.S.-backed airstrikes earlier in this conflict.

00:32:32.100 And you almost heard nothing about it, no condemnations from Congress for a former sitting U.S. congress member, Palestinian American congress members, own young family members being massacred by Israeli bombs with American political cover.

00:32:46.580 That's what we're talking about here.

00:32:47.800 And all of all of the problems of the region can be traced back to the insistence that Palestinians and Jewish Israelis cannot have the same rights within the state of Israel, because if that happened, there would be demographic parity, the same number of Palestinians as Israelis.

00:33:05.520 And that would, we're told, necessarily imperil the safety of Jewish Israelis.

00:33:12.040 Now, let me ask you this, Candace. Does it make sense to you to simultaneously be making an argument that Israel is a democratic country that we should be loving and supporting?

00:33:21.600 Because, look, 20 percent of the population is Arab and we all live peacefully.

00:33:25.280 And isn't that wonderful? But also to be making the argument that we can't have any more Palestinians because they're inherently violent. 1.00

00:33:31.940 They're inherently regressive. They will ruin our society if they come into the country. 0.98

00:33:38.340 Well, that's what I'm speaking to when I talk about this dehumanization of Palestinians that's happening right now in the media. 0.98

00:33:42.660 It's disgusting. And like I said, you know, I would say I'm agnostic on the issue.

00:33:47.380 I want to learn more, which is why I'm trying to have a debate with somebody who is, you know, radically pro-Zionist.

00:33:52.060 I don't have an issue with the fact that you're radically pro-Zionist. 0.51

00:33:54.380 What I have an issue with is that you speak down to people as if you are a superior and you won't debate your ideas.

00:33:59.860 Right. I have an issue with the fact that you are you're speaking about, you know, the Arab population who, by the way, are Semitic.

00:34:07.420 You're talking you're talking about anti-Semitism and what these are Semitic people. 0.85

00:34:11.000 You're speaking about them in this way that makes me uncomfortable.

00:34:14.440 You know, my grandfather grew up in a segregated South. I'm not comfortable with the way you're speaking about them.

00:34:18.860 And when you try to shut down my conversation and you speak to me in that same way, you are acting like a racial supremacist.

00:34:25.200 And we have to have the courage to call that out. And of course, it's not all Jewish people. 0.97

00:34:28.680 Some people genuinely just are like, I want the hostages to be returned.

00:34:33.140 You know, I am concerned. You know, I followed some Jewish influencers who have been so understanding.

00:34:38.920 You know, there are people that you listen to them and you're like, this makes sense.

00:34:42.200 They're not being pushy. They're not being supremacists. They are obviously concerned.

00:34:45.900 They grew up in Israel. You know, their family grew up in Israel as Jews, you know, because this was after 19, 1945 or, you know, within the last 30 years.

00:34:53.900 And they are not disgusting in the way that they are talking about this issue.

00:34:59.540 But it feels like a lot of people in the media are. And that's what makes me uncomfortable.

00:35:03.340 They are they are very disgusting and matter of fact. And, oh, well, we've got bigger bombs.

00:35:08.800 And who cares how many Muslims you kill? I care because I'm a Christian and I'm not comfortable with the amount of death that is happening to children. 0.99

00:35:16.420 How dare I call myself a pro-life conservative and then stay mum on this issue?

00:35:20.780 How dare I call myself a Christian, a child of God, and then be mum on this issue because I care about money?

00:35:27.520 And so that's kind of where I want people to really consider listening to this podcast.

00:35:32.000 Are you comfortable with the amount of death of innocent children?

00:35:36.100 And to check yourself, have you been brainwashed to believe that it doesn't matter if an Arab child is killed?

00:35:42.160 Are you are you comfortable?

00:35:42.820 And let me also push you on this to my listeners.

00:35:47.140 If you say it's OK when a state does this, then you better hope you remain friends with that state, because if they ever turn their arms against you and you've already set the groundwork for believing that it does not matter when innocent children are murdered, when they are waking up to bombs being dropped on them, then you're going to have to stand by those words.

00:36:08.180 OK. Yeah. I mean, I would also point out, I think your I think your point about children is really well made.

00:36:15.200 I remember I believe you were pregnant when you were talking with Norm Finkelstein and I could tell how much you were impacted by him, you know, also bringing up the lack of maternal health care that's available.

00:36:26.980 I mean, maternal health care. Forget that. I mean, clean water and food available to so many pregnant women in Gaza, babies that have been born into this conflict who have been killed by this conflict.

00:36:37.360 I mean, the whole thing is terrible. But we're also having new reporting just over the last few days about a torture camp that exists in Israel where.

00:36:45.560 And I'm sorry, and I'm sorry, this is so graphic, but Palestinian men have been having metal electric rods inserted into the rectums as a kind of torture.

00:36:56.120 We've had ample reports of rapes that are substantiated. And I got to say, I'm sorry, there have been ample reports discrediting the New York Times reporting about the, quote unquote, mass rapes that happened on October 7th, including most recently in the Times of London,

00:37:13.520 really destroying all of the sources that were used in that initial reporting reporting that was so controversial, even within the New York Times, that its own podcast, daily podcast department declined to do a podcast in the story because it was so riddled with obvious inconsistencies and reporting errors.

00:37:28.960 So that was headline news. That was front page news. When Joe Biden lied about there being 40 beheaded babies, that was front page news.

00:37:37.060 And the retraction is just a blip. His people coming forward and saying, oh, he didn't actually see that.

00:37:41.220 It didn't actually happen. That's just a blip. And meanwhile, the Times finally reported on this torture camp where they're sodomizing Palestinian prisoners.

00:37:49.160 It's at the bottom of a lengthy article that did not get the above the fold treatment that the original reporting did.

00:37:55.820 And so, again, you're seeing the asymmetry and the value of life.

00:37:58.280 One other point that The Intercept and some other organizations have been tracking the use of language when describing Palestinian deaths versus Israeli deaths and words like barbaric, savage, horrible, kind of more emotive words are used 60 times as frequently when discussing Hamas killing Israelis versus Israelis killing Palestinian civilians.

00:38:25.540 And so we are all being taught by the media how to interpret this crisis in incredibly subtle ways and also in very overt ways.

00:38:34.920 And that's, I think, a reason why it's so important for you to be independent, to be able to speak out boldly without worry that you are going to be censorship by a parent organization the way they attempted to censor you and the way I have been censored.

00:38:48.880 And I personally am very grateful for the existence of independent media platforms.

00:38:52.840 I want to say, everybody, like, you know, don't lose your values, you know, like, just do not lose your values in the sea of everything going on.

00:39:00.180 There are so many hot button issues.

00:39:01.480 People are scared, whether we're talking about, you know, people scared to speak up about transgenderism in children or whether you're talking about, you know, what's happening in Palestine and Israel.

00:39:09.900 You should speak your values and expect that when you do something that is right, the world will open up to you.

00:39:15.620 So, Brianna, I am wishing you the most luck.

00:39:18.120 Can you allow us to know where we can follow you and how they can support you?

00:39:23.320 Let my listeners know how they can support you.

00:39:24.920 Yes.

00:39:25.520 You can find me at patreon.com slash badfaithpodcast.

00:39:29.080 I have a weekly podcast that comes out free every Thursday.

00:39:32.480 You can catch it on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts.

00:39:35.560 And if you subscribe at Patreon, you can get an additional Monday episode for $5 a month.

00:39:41.720 This Monday, today, as we're recording, I just released a really thorough, deep dive into the months-long effort to oust me at the Hill and actually, frankly, get into some issues around transgender issues and politics as well in that episode.

00:40:00.720 And I want to extend the invitation, Candice, to you also.

00:40:03.140 I know that we disagree about a lot of things, but I have been impressed by your willingness to have open debate and conversation and be receptive to different points of view.

00:40:10.580 I've seen it in the context of Israel, and I would love to continue this conversation on a number of other issues if you ever have the time.

00:40:16.000 I know you're a very busy woman.

00:40:16.960 Absolutely. You should debate BLM.

00:40:18.320 I mean, everything. This is the beauty. Let's debate it.

00:40:20.780 Somebody's right. Somebody's wrong.

00:40:22.460 And let the public—trust the public to decide.

00:40:24.420 Don't propagandize them. Allow them to listen to both of the debates and to decide what they agree with.

00:40:29.220 Brianna, thank you so much for joining us, and I wish you all the luck in the world.

00:40:32.640 Thank you, Candice. I appreciate it.

00:40:34.580 All right, guys. I hope you enjoyed that conversation.

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Candace Owens - June 14, 2024

Another Person Fired for criticizing Israel？! My Interview With Briahna Joy Gray ｜ Candace Ep 5

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