Candace Owens - Becoming Brigitte： Candace Owens x Xavier Poussard ｜ Ep 6

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00:00:18.200 All right, ladies and gentlemen, this is the moment we have all been waiting for.

00:00:21.680 I'm so excited to share with you this interview with Xavier Poussard,

00:00:25.860 the journalist who initially broke the Brigitte Macron scandal via a publication.

00:00:33.380 He did multiple series in it, collaborative work with Natasha Ray, who had helped him.

00:00:38.620 You'll hear about that.

00:00:39.780 So much is leading up to this moment, obviously.

00:00:42.020 So I just wanted to let you know, when I sat down with him at the end of last year,

00:00:45.220 never in a million years could I have imagined that Emmanuel Macron and Brigitte would be sending me a legal letter.

00:00:50.440 I believe because they knew that this interview was going to be forthcoming

00:00:54.040 and they did not want this series to happen.

00:00:56.480 And in many ways, this series may not have happened had it not been for me digging my feet

00:01:01.760 further into the ground simply because I believe in free speech and I believe in information

00:01:07.260 and I believe that what is happening in France is evil.

00:01:11.060 Xavier Poussard has never before this moment appeared on camera.

00:01:14.660 He has been remarkably private about his work.

00:01:16.700 He has dedicated years of his life, has dealt with the brunt of the, what I would describe as a totalitarian government in France coming after him and his family.

00:01:28.020 He has uprooted his family and had to move to Italy to make sure that they were safe and make sure that they were protected.

00:01:35.980 And of course, he is not the only one.

00:01:38.080 This interview is a culmination of a year worth of work, really a year last year where I read just the tip of the iceberg and recognized that this was an explosive story.

00:01:51.240 And then when Xavier, Xavier Poussard and I initially sat down and we just showed a picture of him,

00:01:57.740 YouTube moved to move to take the interview entirely off and essentially said that we weren't allowed to discuss cults or imply anything about cults.

00:02:06.860 But we felt that they had perhaps been contacted by someone with a lot of power.

00:02:12.420 Well, this time, what we've done as a response is we built an entire website where we can put interviews like this up without the fear of having them taken down.

00:02:22.820 And of course, that's at CandaceOwens.com.

00:02:25.100 So what we're going to do today is we're going to give you 15 minutes of that interview with Xavier Poussard here on YouTube,

00:02:32.460 obviously making sure that nothing trips over any of their policies.

00:02:36.140 And then the rest of the interview will be available for free at CandaceOwens.com so that you can watch it in its entirety.

00:02:44.480 Just to let you guys know, when he and I were sitting down, I was still trying to comprehend elements of the story.

00:02:49.800 So you may hear me ask questions as the viewers would ask questions, trying to understand exactly what it was that he was suggesting.

00:02:56.860 That's why we felt that making this a series so that you guys could at least have the backing of the first six episodes to comprehend what he is saying,

00:03:06.020 which I think most of you do now, was so important to us, so important to the team.

00:03:09.860 We have put so much work into this.

00:03:11.520 And I am just truly humble in all of this, grateful to Xavier Poussard, Natasha Ray,

00:03:16.500 and all of the journalists who have braved the French government, really,

00:03:21.500 and the evil of the French government to bring us to this moment.

00:03:24.200 So without further ado, here is Xavier Poussard.

00:03:30.360 Xavier, I really don't even know where to begin here.

00:03:33.460 I already feel like this is going to be the biggest story of the year, and we're only in January.

00:03:38.040 And so I think just for my audiences and everybody worldwide,

00:03:42.040 just tell us how you got involved in the Brigitte Macron, Emmanuel Macron story,

00:03:48.640 what your background is, and what piqued your interest.

00:03:52.260 So I got into this subject because I'm interested in press portraits,

00:04:03.760 and that means I specialize in unauthorized press portraits,

00:04:07.560 the sort of things that people might not want somebody to say about them.

00:04:11.360 But I do so with a conscience, and I do so as accurately as possible.

00:04:15.420 And so they sort of dropped this biography, Brigitte Macron, Emmanuel Macron.

00:04:22.740 There's this unofficial biography that gets dropped about them.

00:04:26.940 And what is the first thing that strikes you as peculiar?

00:04:30.460 There was an over-mediatization.

00:04:38.080 The mainstream media decided to very strongly attack the other candidates

00:04:41.680 during the 2017 presidential election, particularly Penelope Fillon,

00:04:47.300 and sort of hail and hail and laud everything surrounding Emmanuel Macron and Brigitte.

00:04:52.840 They were essentially attacking the far right, everyone apart from them.

00:04:57.040 So they tried to paint this picture of Macron as being a sort of Mozart-esque figure,

00:05:02.840 that he was very virtuous and precarious.

00:05:05.680 They began forming a narrative that he had met this woman when he was 17 years old.

00:05:10.420 So this sort of, this man of great, precarious nature, a conqueror, a virtuoso,

00:05:16.980 who no one could resist, essentially just as Mozart was.

00:05:21.240 So the first lie was regarding age.

00:05:24.400 A journalist had compiled a combination of the amount of times it was noted

00:05:28.120 that they initially spun a narrative of him being 17 years old and her being 36.

00:05:34.180 And so it was sort of this brave man, you know, going after the woman he loved at a young age

00:05:39.320 because he was just a daring young chap, so to say.

00:05:43.240 Whereas, in fact, he was 14 at the time and she was 39,

00:05:48.060 which turns it from a brave story into a story of pedophilia and the abuse of a minor.

00:05:54.940 When their real age was brought to light,

00:05:57.340 there were many mechanisms of communication in the play from the couple.

00:06:01.000 They really played on the way the story was brought to the public.

00:06:04.100 It was sort of like Robert De Niro and Dustin Hoffman's movie,

00:06:07.460 Wag the Dog, where they used a spin doctor who brought certain messages to the public

00:06:12.120 to distract them from the actual true scandal at hand.

00:06:16.500 But there was a narrative spun of the difference in age being an issue

00:06:19.640 between a man being younger and a woman being of an older age,

00:06:24.020 whereas the difference of age was exactly the same between, for example,

00:06:28.340 Donald Trump and Melania, yet no one batted an eye there.

00:06:32.520 However, the issue is not so much the difference in age,

00:06:35.440 and people sort of jumped on the bandwagon here and said,

00:06:38.320 well, why?

00:06:39.780 It's so unfair how a man with a more advanced age being with a younger woman is not an issue, 0.98

00:06:44.760 but the reverse is quite scandalous.

00:06:47.300 But that is not the issue here.

00:06:49.400 It's an issue of the age of Macron at the time when he was 14.

00:06:54.340 So this is clearly the abuse of a minor,

00:06:56.720 rather than just having a salacious story of a difference

00:06:59.520 between the age of a man and a woman.

00:07:01.580 So essentially what you're saying is the media tried to do the modern feminist spin on this.

00:07:09.220 Somebody got involved and said,

00:07:10.640 well, take the feminist angle, the sexist angle, the misogynist angle, 0.97

00:07:14.040 the ageist angle, and say,

00:07:16.100 you only notice this because it's an older woman, 1.00

00:07:18.240 and why is that a problematic if it's okay for Donald Trump to be dating Melania?

00:07:23.380 It's actually a very smart way to try to spin it,

00:07:25.780 but you're going, no, no, no, no,

00:07:26.840 this is not about the age gap between, because it's a man or a woman,

00:07:30.660 and Emmanuel Macron was just 14 years old, and she was 39.

00:07:37.720 Actually, Brigitte Macron was on the front page of The Economist,

00:07:41.220 and there was this constant push on the left to guilt people

00:07:44.280 that the idea of patriarchal society is not right.

00:07:48.580 They tried to portray Brigitte Macron as this Barbie doll or pinup to the public.

00:07:53.440 I believe a firm noted that in 2018,

00:07:55.300 there was more content on Brigitte Macron on the internet

00:07:58.960 than there was on David Beckham,

00:08:01.220 who's obviously far more renowned.

00:08:04.520 And the internet became saturated with these curated pictures

00:08:07.420 and often doctored pictures

00:08:09.020 to make her seem appealing in a pinup 0.96

00:08:11.400 and focusing on her attire, etc., 0.96

00:08:13.920 rather than what was really going on.

00:08:16.760 Insiders in power knew,

00:08:18.580 but the media didn't focus on her increasing level of political importance, 0.95

00:08:22.560 which was far greater than most First Ladies had in the past.

00:08:26.480 They saw there were no pictures of her,

00:08:28.600 no pictures of her as a child or as a mother.

00:08:31.740 They saw there was no real background on her.

00:08:34.280 And initially, it was well-meaning for journalists.

00:08:37.300 They just wanted to build upon this narrative

00:08:39.160 which had been created around her.

00:08:41.060 She's this feminist icon. 1.00

00:08:42.660 She's big in politics.

00:08:44.120 Let's tell her story.

00:08:45.240 But they failed every time.

00:08:47.960 They always faced a brick wall in the end.

00:08:50.940 And I would just like to give you two quotes from journalists

00:08:53.160 who are not some conspiracy people.

00:08:55.320 They're real journalists.

00:08:56.920 The first is a woman named Virginie Lenhart. 0.84

00:08:59.580 She's Ashkenazi Jewish 0.99

00:09:01.160 and reports on the Holocaust and such topics on French television.

00:09:05.460 She said,

00:09:06.540 I needed photos of Brigitte Macron as a young woman

00:09:09.280 with small children showing an itinerary

00:09:12.160 outside of those stamped by the best image

00:09:14.980 agency.

00:09:15.800 What doesn't come out is anything to do with her former life.

00:09:19.660 It's a total blackout.

00:09:22.060 The second journalist is Sylvie Bamel,

00:09:25.100 who does portraits in the French edition of Vanity Fair.

00:09:28.820 She said while conducting her investigation,

00:09:30.800 it's like an episode of Black Mirror,

00:09:33.520 where the president's offices have found a way to penetrate the brains

00:09:37.420 of his former acquaintances and erase everything.

00:09:41.320 So we are facing something completely incredible.

00:09:44.620 All these journalists who are saying,

00:09:46.400 let's tell the story of Brigitte Macron,

00:09:48.860 they find this woman to be something almost paranormal. 0.99

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00:10:50.980 So these are not conspiracy journalists.

00:10:54.880 These aren't people on Reddit that are trying to make noise.

00:10:58.080 What you're saying is these people were well-intended.

00:11:00.720 They were interested in this feminist angle. 1.00

00:11:02.940 They thought this is going to be an amazing story to cover how this woman came to power, 1.00

00:11:07.100 sort of like doing a profile piece on Michelle Obama

00:11:10.540 during the Obama years,

00:11:11.640 and they were sort of going,

00:11:13.180 wait a minute, where is this person?

00:11:15.760 How did this person come to be?

00:11:17.000 I've never seen such a black hole.

00:11:20.420 And this kind of gets into maybe something you never thought you were going to expect here

00:11:25.660 as you were digging into this.

00:11:26.700 So what I do in my job is I archive things.

00:11:40.200 This is what I really enjoy.

00:11:42.060 I like going back into details and back into history and looking at people's problems.

00:11:47.160 I had a bunch of people around me, my contacts in Paris,

00:11:50.520 some mainstream journalists in the media who were egging me to say things.

00:11:55.060 They said, go on.

00:11:56.380 This is what you do.

00:11:58.000 This is what I do.

00:11:59.180 I take information and share it when other journalists cannot.

00:12:02.140 And all of a sudden, I came across someone in my informal work surroundings,

00:12:06.920 and he said, this is a man.

00:12:09.300 Like, surely you can see this is a man.

00:12:11.260 As if it was the most straightforward, obvious comment he could make about it.

00:12:16.200 Another one of my colleagues, he's a civil servant.

00:12:19.100 He calls her Amanda, which is a reference to Amanda Lear.

00:12:22.540 There was a similar case.

00:12:24.160 It's not well known in the United States.

00:12:26.320 But Amanda Lear, she was a somewhat notorious figure. 1.00

00:12:29.320 She was a muse to Salvador Dali.

00:12:31.820 She was a singer and a television star.

00:12:34.520 She's famous in France, so her biographies were written and rewritten.

00:12:38.300 And every time they were rewritten,

00:12:40.260 there were small discrepancies with dates and timelines.

00:12:44.100 I got the same impression when I read Brigitte Macron's biographies.

00:12:48.060 For example, the death of a sister in 1960,

00:12:50.800 but we'd later learn it was 1961.

00:12:53.560 Then the death of a niece the following year.

00:12:56.240 But then when we would go dig for the information,

00:12:59.320 we'd discover actually, in fact, she died in 1966.

00:13:03.380 Then she says, I bought my house.

00:13:05.380 We bought our house in the Le Toquet in 1950.

00:13:09.540 We'd then go dig.

00:13:10.900 It was actually 1957.

00:13:12.880 And each time, like that, the story is modified.

00:13:16.500 So, in fact, we say to ourselves, what is this thing?

00:13:20.580 There was this element of creating complexity and confusion

00:13:23.180 in order to essentially hide the elephant in the room.

00:13:26.360 Going back to Amanda Lear, Amanda Lear was born Alain Tappé.

00:13:31.080 He is very well known today.

00:13:33.380 In fact, she was unmasked because at one time in her life,

00:13:37.000 she called herself Peggy from Oslo,

00:13:39.160 and she was actually Mick Jagger's drug dealer.

00:13:41.740 So, we are still experiencing these very borderline behaviors.

00:13:46.560 My point is, this avenue of a transsexual persona has been created before,

00:13:51.020 but it's very dangerous to try to delve into it 0.95

00:13:53.740 because you run the risk of being branded a madman.

00:13:57.400 Who is this man claiming this absurdity? 0.99

00:13:59.800 Is he crazy?

00:14:00.520 So, I was facing that risk.

00:14:03.620 I started talking to my broader network.

00:14:06.120 I started going to everyone I knew,

00:14:07.660 trying to figure out what was going on

00:14:09.560 because I knew there was a story here,

00:14:11.660 and I wanted to deepen myself within the story.

00:14:14.420 But the French, all in all, don't realize what's going on. 1.00

00:14:18.420 It's not really on their radar.

00:14:20.100 They're not quite aware as to how big this is.

00:14:23.080 All of a sudden, I get a number from this girl called Natasha Ray.

00:14:26.640 She's just a normal citizen, not a journalist.

00:14:30.440 She claims to be able to prove Brigitte Macron is a man.

00:14:34.260 So, we begin to exchange ideas and work together for a month.

00:14:38.420 And is this the moment when you were first introduced to,

00:14:44.540 I guess, the name, the person, Jean-Michel Trogneau?

00:14:48.760 Because prior to, there were essentially just no pictures of Brigitte Macron

00:14:53.740 for 30-plus years of his or her life.

00:14:59.100 And was it Natasha that first brought forth the name to you,

00:15:03.480 Jean-Michel Trogneau?

00:15:06.020 So, this is something interesting.

00:15:11.180 I had identified this name in the archives of documents

00:15:13.900 found in the commercial courts.

00:15:15.980 I ordered a lot of documents from the commercial courts

00:15:18.500 called the INPI to trace companies.

00:15:21.020 I was interested in the Trogneaus and I saw this name appear

00:15:24.800 which did not appear in the biographies.

00:15:27.600 I realized that Emmanuel Macron wasn't really selling well

00:15:30.860 to the public as a persona.

00:15:32.980 He was in managerial positions and in hedge funds

00:15:35.720 and the public wasn't really gripped by this.

00:15:38.800 When they decided to create a presidential candidate,

00:15:41.520 they tried to focus more on the background of Brigitte Macron's family,

00:15:45.240 the Trogneau family,

00:15:46.260 who are a family of chocolatiers from Amiens, France,

00:15:50.120 since it is a family which is rooted in the real country,

00:15:53.360 in the real economy.

00:15:54.940 That is to say,

00:15:56.220 they are not bankers at Rothschilds.

00:15:58.440 They don't do mergers and acquisitions.

00:16:00.940 They make chocolates.

00:16:02.600 They were even compared to the Kennedys in the French press.

00:16:06.480 At that moment, we said to ourselves,

00:16:08.440 why is there this insistence on each brother,

00:16:11.880 each sister, each niece, etc.,

00:16:14.300 except one, Jean-Michel Trogneau?

00:16:17.280 Jean-Michel was erased

00:16:18.520 and Natasha told me that a family photo

00:16:20.500 which was supposed to have Brigitte on her mother's lap 0.97

00:16:23.080 had been shown to the press

00:16:24.860 and she told me,

00:16:26.020 but look closely at the little boy.

00:16:28.000 This is Jean-Michel Trogneau.

00:16:30.280 By process of elimination,

00:16:31.960 it is Jean-Michel Trogneau

00:16:33.440 and this hidden brother,

00:16:35.200 if you look closely,

00:16:36.800 is actually Brigitte Macron.

00:16:38.720 She was fully convinced

00:16:40.160 and I thought,

00:16:40.980 it's very disturbing.

00:16:43.520 It's worth cross-checking.

00:16:47.180 So in America,

00:16:48.940 there's an expression,

00:16:50.800 we say the dog that doesn't bark, right?

00:16:54.240 So what's quite interesting

00:16:55.220 is this is the dog that's not barking.

00:16:56.960 There's all of this information

00:16:58.400 about all the family members

00:16:59.680 and you recognize

00:17:00.980 that there's no information

00:17:02.420 about this family member

00:17:03.580 and that photograph

00:17:06.020 that we saw of their family in Amiens.

00:17:09.080 I remember the first time

00:17:10.360 that I saw that photo

00:17:11.300 because that's actually

00:17:12.280 what got me involved in the case.

00:17:14.040 It was, for me,

00:17:15.680 a matter of common sense.

00:17:17.020 I just looked at the photo

00:17:18.080 and the Daily Mail was trying to tell me

00:17:20.920 that the little girl on the lap

00:17:23.120 was young Brigitte

00:17:24.400 and I just looked over to the left of the photo

00:17:26.500 and I said,

00:17:27.320 no, I have two eyes.

00:17:28.180 Obviously,

00:17:28.960 I don't even know what the theory is,

00:17:30.860 but that's clearly Brigitte. 1.00

00:17:32.420 A very distinct face.

00:17:33.880 You can't really change your face.

00:17:35.840 Well, I guess you can,

00:17:36.640 but it was very distinct to me.

00:17:38.540 So this is sort of what Natasha noticed

00:17:41.320 is you're looking at this family photo,

00:17:43.080 you're looking into Amiens,

00:17:44.080 you're looking into these chocolatiers

00:17:45.240 and you're noticing

00:17:46.240 that this boy on the left,

00:17:49.440 you don't know anything about whatsoever.

00:17:51.840 What happens next?

00:17:54.120 In an article I stated that,

00:18:02.020 you know,

00:18:02.480 this is a legitimate question.

00:18:04.460 It's one worth posing.

00:18:06.160 Why is Brigitte hiding parts of her past

00:18:08.340 and why is there such an unwillingness

00:18:10.680 to speak about Jean-Michel?

00:18:12.520 What really prompted me

00:18:13.520 to pursue this question was

00:18:14.780 when Natasha and I started speaking about this,

00:18:17.720 they detained her

00:18:18.740 on order of a cousin of Brigitte Macron.

00:18:21.060 Natasha would develop an in-depth thesis

00:18:23.620 on how Brigitte Macron

00:18:24.780 is Jean-Michel Trogneau

00:18:26.620 and who Brigitte's children actually belong to.

00:18:30.200 We then realized further

00:18:31.620 that one of the cousins

00:18:32.560 was trying to set us up

00:18:33.800 by giving us details

00:18:34.880 which weren't quite accurate,

00:18:36.540 essentially sending us

00:18:37.420 down the wrong avenues.

00:18:38.840 They tried manipulating Natasha,

00:18:40.960 myself,

00:18:41.580 since I relied on this thesis for information,

00:18:44.440 and another reporter as well,

00:18:46.080 into pursuing these false leads,

00:18:48.660 perhaps on order from the Élysée

00:18:50.580 and the government itself.

00:18:53.700 Okay, so that's fascinating

00:18:55.280 because,

00:18:55.840 and this was also something

00:18:57.280 that, again,

00:18:58.240 I always tell my listeners,

00:18:59.160 just common sense, right?

00:19:00.360 So I'm just thinking,

00:19:01.700 I'm the First Lady of France.

00:19:03.200 I'm Candace.

00:19:04.240 If somebody comes to me and says,

00:19:05.820 hey,

00:19:06.460 your brother doesn't exist

00:19:07.700 or your sister doesn't exist,

00:19:09.200 I'm going to take an opportunity

00:19:10.340 to do a press conference.

00:19:11.500 I'm going to stand next to my brother

00:19:13.240 and I'm going to say,

00:19:14.760 conspiracy theories are harmful.

00:19:16.320 Let's put this to bed.

00:19:17.880 I wouldn't contact

00:19:19.400 the French equivalent

00:19:21.120 to the Secret Service

00:19:22.260 and have them detain a journalist

00:19:24.960 that's working on a story.

00:19:26.920 That instantly flags me as very odd.

00:19:29.420 So you're saying,

00:19:29.880 in addition to this,

00:19:30.600 they're also giving you misinformation,

00:19:33.360 ironically,

00:19:34.000 and trying to get you to arrive

00:19:36.480 at the wrong conclusion.

00:19:37.960 So you've got intimidation

00:19:39.380 and you have misinformation

00:19:40.340 and all you're doing

00:19:42.000 at this point is researching.

00:19:43.460 You haven't even arrived

00:19:44.800 to any conclusions,

00:19:45.540 but that's probably making you feel like,

00:19:47.820 what's going on here?

00:19:50.500 Unfortunately, you guys,

00:19:51.400 that is where we are going

00:19:52.420 to have to cut the interview.

00:19:53.420 As we said,

00:19:54.020 the last time we spoke

00:19:54.780 with Xavier Poussard,

00:19:56.380 our interview got taken down

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00:20:11.480 We hope that you appreciate

00:20:12.640 the conversation

00:20:13.420 and I can't wait

00:20:14.360 to speak with you guys

00:20:15.220 about it on tomorrow's show.

00:20:17.840 We'll see you then.

00:20:18.380 We'll see you then.

00:20:23.920 We'll see you then.

00:20:29.460 We'll see you then.

00:20:30.360 We'll see you then.

00:20:30.640 We'll see you then.

00:20:31.380 Bye-bye.

Candace Owens - February 18, 2025

Becoming Brigitte： Candace Owens x Xavier Poussard ｜ Ep 6

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