Candace Owens - Becoming Brigitte： Jean-Michel Trogneux

00:00:00.260 Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you. Yes, you guys, guess what? Today is Jean-Michel

00:00:07.020 Trogneau's birthday. In other words, happy birthday, Brigitte Macron, to First Lady Brigitte

00:00:12.320 Macron. So excited to get into this, to bring to audiences who exactly is Jean-Michel Trogneau,

00:00:18.580 where he is. It's time to start that part of this series. So welcome back to our series,

00:00:23.940 Becoming Brigitte.

00:00:30.000 Okay, so some things to recap. I was so frustrated at the end of the last episode because so many of

00:00:45.560 you had commented, Candice, it's time for you to create a family chart. And we had already created

00:00:50.920 a family chart. We just got so busy that I forgot to show it to you, obviously, on the show. So I

00:00:55.500 completely dropped the ball there. I apologize, of course, when we are doing these sorts of series

00:00:59.880 like the Kamala series. And now as we look at this Brigitte series, there are so many names that

00:01:04.480 does become confusing. And it's good to slow it down and be able to visualize who and what exactly

00:01:09.520 it is that we are talking about. So let's kind of go backwards and start there. I am showing you guys

00:01:13.820 now the Emmanuel Macron family chart. Okay, these are allegedly, saying allegedly here because I have

00:01:20.980 tons of questions as we get deeper into the story. But his parents, Jean-Michel Macron. Then you have

00:01:27.380 Francoise Nogue. Obviously, we spoke a lot last week, particularly about Germaine Nogue, who he refers

00:01:36.380 to affectionately as Manette, right? She's the one that shared this love of pedophile-centric books with

00:01:45.280 her grandson. She is, as we mentioned to you last week, the only family member that he includes in his

00:01:52.640 childhood stories throughout his autobiography, which is entitled Revolution. So wanted to get over that,

00:02:01.380 wanted to speak about Revolution, understanding that this is, that is actually the Macron chart.

00:02:05.940 And then, of course, like I said, his mother, what we described, yes, on last week's episode,

00:02:10.220 or a couple of days ago, the episode was that Dr. Frances Nogue, his mother, when she was first

00:02:15.280 introduced to the world, she was introduced as a pediatrician who helped out, in some capacity,

00:02:21.500 the Social Security office. And then we had this huge bombshell in the last episode where we learned,

00:02:26.480 just kidding, by Social Security work, we forgot to include the fact that she helped transgendered

00:02:33.440 and intersex people secure new identities. I mean, that was a major, major, major tidbit. I mean,

00:02:40.260 that really, it's explosive. And it's important for you to remember that as we go along, because that

00:02:45.760 means that Macron's immediate family was involved in helping people, okay, who had gender issues to

00:02:53.600 become someone else. In other words, they were facilitating the issuing of real government IDs,

00:03:00.400 which allowed people to legally shed themselves of their former identities and their true biological

00:03:06.660 sex. We have to wake up to the fact that that is the reality of the world that we live in today.

00:03:11.960 So what is that? What are the implications of that? Let's just pause there. What are the implications

00:03:15.700 of if I decide, okay, I'm Candace Owens, nope, I feel like actually I was born a man. And so I'm going

00:03:23.160 to change my name. I'm going to change my name to Jean-Michel Trogneau, okay? And then someone comes out

00:03:29.860 and they say like, you know, Candace Owens is this person. Can I then sue them for defamation

00:03:36.040 for saying that I'm Candace Owens if I've legally changed my name to Jean-Michel Trogneau? Does that

00:03:44.360 become the basis of a defamation suit if you are able to shed your identity? I want you to think

00:03:48.620 about that. As we keep going throughout this series, it's very important to remember this,

00:03:52.460 that his mother was dealing with this capacity in the social security office. I should also add here

00:03:57.740 that thereafter, shockingly, in a very rare interview, his mother gave to a journalist

00:04:04.260 named Gail Chakaloff. She was writing a biography about the Macron couple. Biography was entitled

00:04:10.180 Just the Two of Us. And she spoke with his mother and his mother said something very strange. She said,

00:04:17.820 and I quote, it's in this book, for me, Brigitte is not a daughter-in-law. Excuse me? What does that mean?

00:04:28.020 Brigitte is married to your son? She's been married to your son for a very long time. She fell in love

00:04:31.240 with your son and your son was 14 years old. What do you mean to me she is not a daughter-in-law? What

00:04:36.100 is the implication of that? What else could she be? What else could the first lady be to you? So we'll

00:04:41.120 just leave that there. Okay, now let's take a look at Brigitte Macron's family chart. Okay, we've got

00:04:47.260 some other important things to remember. So you have Brigitte, who allegedly was married for 32 years to

00:04:53.020 this guy, Andre Louis Ozier. Okay, and they allegedly had three children, Lawrence Ozier,

00:05:02.320 Sebastian Ozier, and Tifan Ozier. Now it's important to remember, which we touched upon last episode,

00:05:08.580 that the first lady just routinely sort of gets things wrong in her interviews, right? Like she

00:05:14.800 gets the date wrong from when her sister, Mary Vaughn, died. She had got the date very wrong from when her

00:05:21.400 alleged niece died. And we're starting to think of this as more of a strategy than anything else.

00:05:26.600 Like it's not just forgetting dates. It's because you're trying to confuse the public. And a big

00:05:31.120 indication of that was Tifan, okay, her daughter, getting both the date and the manner of her father's

00:05:39.100 burial wrong in Paris Match Magazine, Weekly Magazine. How is that possible? Remember, we talked

00:05:44.840 about this. We can bring up that chart again. Very weird mystery regarding this Andre Louis Ozier

00:05:51.580 character. How weird it was, we cannot emphasize enough. We learn from his first cousin, okay? He

00:05:58.900 had a first cousin named John Louis Ozier. And that's where it got really confusing for some people.

00:06:05.040 There was a first cousin. And that first cousin then described that essentially he had sued the

00:06:13.160 journalist for misidentifying him in the wedding photo. That first cousin then got upset because the

00:06:20.500 Elisee Palace kind of played him into suing her for defamation, pretending they were going to join

00:06:25.460 the suit. But then also Brigitte Macron refused to simply say, bring that picture back up. Yeah,

00:06:30.540 that's me. That's me in the wedding photo. She refused to do this and just kind of backed out.

00:06:34.900 And so he wasn't happy with this. He was not happy. He felt used by the Elisee Palace. He opened up to a

00:06:40.480 journalist and tells us some really strange things about his cousin's burial, about his cousin's

00:06:45.500 funeral, about his cousin's cremation. Mainly the strangest thing being that the Elisee Palace was

00:06:50.760 involved, okay? They wanted to see to it that this funeral was executed like a thief in the night.

00:06:55.980 They did not want the public to learn about this. And they saw it over the finish line. And yet,

00:07:01.600 despite this, Brigitte Macron did not attend the funeral of her alleged ex-husband of 32 years,

00:07:10.860 the alleged father of her children. We want to make sure he's buried, okay? But we are not going

00:07:17.540 to show up. Neither me or the president are going to show up. And then Tafan is going to just make up

00:07:22.220 what a massive mistake in Paris match and say, I buried my father on December 24th. And then we

00:07:27.840 learn, no, he was actually cremated on December 28th. And it was a year prior. And this is the

00:07:33.040 photo you use because everything, everything was destroyed. Okay? That's, that's crazy. So yes,

00:07:39.940 remember that we learned that information, not from a conspiracy theorist. We learned this from

00:07:45.480 the cousin, John Luis Osier, the cousin of Andre. Okay? The one who successfully sued Natasha

00:07:52.880 Ray for defamation because she wrongly assumed that it was him. Okay? What we do know,

00:07:57.400 and we confirmed last episode, is that this man, and we can show you again his obituary photo,

00:08:02.160 because no other photos of him exist. From the wedding photo to this, his whole life has been

00:08:06.900 destroyed. What we can tell you is that he did, in fact, exist. They lied about where he worked,

00:08:12.880 what bank he worked at. Again, tons of little lies to send people down rabbit holes so they can make a

00:08:17.340 mistake. But what we can't tell you is what exactly happened to him. We cannot ascertain what

00:08:23.340 happened to him based on the testimony of his first cousin. Because it depends on whether or not

00:08:27.940 you believe his partner, the woman who was at his funeral, who claimed that she found tickets to

00:08:34.480 Africa in his pocket, that he had emptied all of his bank accounts. And if you potentially,

00:08:41.060 or you could say and or, if you believe the journalist from Paris Match, who then wrote that

00:08:47.220 Andre actually spent the last days of his life in a psychiatric ward being guarded by none other

00:08:54.580 than Alexander Banala. Now, we got to talk about this guy. Okay? Because he's important. He's very

00:09:03.020 important. Because he's come up actually a couple of times, but we should dig into deep of why that

00:09:07.200 particular allegation matters. Because it's interesting that despite the fact that they love

00:09:12.760 to sue people, they love to sue people, they never went after that journalist who claimed

00:09:17.320 that Alexander Banala, the former deputy chief of staff to Emmanuel Macron, was guarding, for whatever

00:09:26.360 reason, guarding a psychiatric ward door of Andre. So we know for a fact that Elyse Palace was involved

00:09:36.700 at the very least in his funeral. And this journalist puts that. So I think we should explore that. So we

00:09:41.140 should talk about Alexander Banala, because that is not a subtle mention from a journalist. Okay?

00:09:46.340 We had first mentioned Alexander Banala in the introductory episode when we told you about sort of this,

00:09:53.660 I don't know how to describe it, like a syndicate almost of pedophiles, these accidental pedophiles

00:09:59.940 that Emmanuel Macron keeps landing himself around. Okay? We mentioned Olivier Douamel. That was the man

00:10:06.460 who was accused by his stepdaughter of having molested her twin brother when he was 13 or 14 years

00:10:14.580 old. She wrote this in a book. And by the way, because the Statue of Limitations had passed,

00:10:20.480 he was never brought to justice, but he admitted that it was true, that he did in fact sexually abuse

00:10:24.760 his teenage son. Well, one of the things that he helped, because he was so close to Emmanuel Macron with,

00:10:29.700 he helped him when he landed himself in hot water over what has come to be known in France as the

00:10:37.180 Banala Affair, meaning Alexander Banala, the deputy chief of staff. Okay? And now for whatever reason,

00:10:45.540 like I said, we have no idea why this journalist mentioned, but said Alexander Banala was guarding

00:10:52.100 the psychiatric ward. So I'm going to show you Alexander Banala again, so that you can get him into

00:10:56.200 your mind, despite being extremely young. I want to be clear. He is today only 33 years old. He's got

00:11:04.180 quite a remarkable professional resume. Okay? When Emmanuel Macron was running for president,

00:11:11.560 Alexander Banala was just 25 years old, and he served the candidate as his security officer. He was

00:11:19.280 the head of his security. Okay? Once Emmanuel Macron got elected, he then made Alexander Banala his deputy

00:11:25.460 chief of staff. Okay? Huge position. Could you imagine 25 years old and you're like going into

00:11:30.900 the White House, the Elisee Palace? It was then later discovered that these two had an incredibly

00:11:36.500 close relationship, so close as Emmanuel took him on a ski trip with him and his family. Not as the

00:11:42.740 security, like as like you're a part of the family on a ski trip. And even closer than that,

00:11:48.440 Emmanuel Macron allowed Alexander Banala, this 25, 26-year-old kid, essentially, to move into the

00:11:57.940 national palace of the French Republic. Okay? He was living at the palace of the Alma. That is

00:12:04.880 shocking. He had residency here. Okay? So what's going on here? Just imagine you're 26, you're living

00:12:10.000 in a palace, and I don't know, I'm thinking he must have provided some incredible security to the

00:12:15.640 president. He must have done the president some solids. Okay? When you dig into his past, you learn

00:12:21.640 that back when Banala was 23 years old, he had been accused and then subsequently acquitted of

00:12:28.980 violence against a woman. Okay? Insofar that she said that she was rendered incapacitated to work. But

00:12:34.420 as I said, he was acquitted, and then he became the head of Emmanuel Macron's security team.

00:12:39.660 Then, when Emmanuel Macron was president, a massive scandal broke, which came to be known,

00:12:44.700 obviously, as a Banala affair in 2018, when his deputy chief of staff was actually caught on camera,

00:12:53.820 dressed as a police officer, beating protesters in the street of Paris. I'm not kidding. Okay?

00:13:00.760 LeMond, I told you that's like the French New York Times, broke the story. They had footage of him.

00:13:06.120 It was undoubtedly Banala impersonating a police officer and beating a young protester in the

00:13:14.340 streets. And then a second video emerged, which was published onto Twitter, which showed Banala

00:13:19.280 grabbing a female protester by the neck and dragging her away. Actually, I'm going to ask my producer,

00:13:24.720 Skylar, were we able to pull that footage? Okay, great. Let's actually show you some of that footage.

00:13:31.720 Just this is just to make you guys understand this. What you are looking at is a chief of staff of a

00:13:39.120 president beating up a protester. He's going to come on in there in police uniform. That's him.

00:13:45.500 Just totally normal chief of staff stuff, right? That's just what everybody's chief of staff is

00:14:04.880 doing all around the world. It would later be discovered that as people began investigating

00:14:10.820 the story more and more, that three police officers provided him with more surveillance footage.

00:14:17.720 Alexander Banala, they were giving him surveillance footage that had not yet been made available to

00:14:21.960 the public, essentially allowing for him to prepare his defense, which signals to us that, okay, they've

00:14:29.080 got ties with the police officers. Clearly, otherwise, he wouldn't have been given the uniform to wear

00:14:35.140 as he pretended to be a police officer that day. Now, President Macron at the time of this attack

00:14:40.600 was in Australia. He seemed incredibly reluctant to let go of his deputy chief or to speak about the

00:14:46.260 matter in any capacity publicly, essentially, which is why I guess he called up his doable friend.

00:14:51.260 What should I do? What do you mean? What should you do? Your chief of staff was just caught

00:14:53.780 beating protesters in the street. Why aren't you just more shocked at that? What do you mean? What do

00:14:58.940 you do? And it seems that Emmanuel Macron might have been so concerned about this that he tried to

00:15:07.120 help Alexander out. Now, why am I making that assumption? Again, this is an assumption, not a

00:15:10.440 fact. But what is a fact is that Alexander Banala, when he was being interviewed about the scandal,

00:15:16.880 none other than Mimi Marchand was in the room to assist him speaking to the press. Mimi Marchand,

00:15:25.580 yes, the pope, the celebrity popess of the press who could get anything in the press, anything taken

00:15:32.580 out of the press, woman that could get the press to cover up pedophilia charges for her friends.

00:15:39.200 OK, eventually, as the scandal completely engulfed the Elisee Palace, they did, in fact, have to move

00:15:44.900 to dismiss Banala. On paper, at least want to be clear on paper, he was released because then another

00:15:50.640 scandal emerged. It would later be discovered that a few months later, they realized they

00:15:55.560 did not actually remove his diplomatic passports. And despite being seemingly fired, several months

00:16:01.020 later, he used those diplomatic passports to travel to meet with African leaders, including

00:16:08.140 the president of Chad, a guy named Idris Debe. Now, for people that are watching this from Africa,

00:16:14.980 you're looking at this guy going, didn't he die a few years later in kind of one of those

00:16:18.960 stereotypical Western scenarios where suddenly a group of rebels rises up? Give me like a Muammar

00:16:24.800 Gaddafi type situation and the rebels are just so unhappy and they kill the president.

00:16:28.780 Yeah, that's what happened to that guy in Chad. Yeah. So but I'm sure it was totally organic and

00:16:33.560 people were really unhappy in the streets and like the West had nothing to do with it.

00:16:37.000 Nonetheless, Alexander Banala was meeting with this guy on diplomatic passports after he had

00:16:42.880 been fired. So it was the second part of the scandal. It then emerged that while he was working

00:16:48.300 for Macron, Alexander Banala, this 26 year old palace living king, had actually contracted financial

00:16:55.920 ties with two Russian oligarchs who were said to be members of the Russian mafia. Oopsies. Again,

00:17:03.120 I guess everyone around me is accused of being either a criminal, a pedophile. So what? I'm sure

00:17:09.060 Emmanuel Macron is always just so innocent in this. Brigitte, it just keeps happening to them.

00:17:14.160 They're trying to work with good people, guys. They're really trying to surround themselves with

00:17:18.500 good people. I swear it's everyone around them. It's just not them. I think that we should actually

00:17:22.900 take a look here at this extraordinary syndicate that is emerging around them because we've covered

00:17:29.100 a lot of these people. So Michelle Marchand, obviously the pope ass up there on the left right

00:17:33.980 of the French media. We know she's been indolved in dirt. She's been kicked out forgery, extortion,

00:17:39.860 you name it. She's been accused of it. A woman that we understand had the capacity,

00:17:44.920 the only person that people had to go through to get photos of the first lady's past. She owns best

00:17:50.840 image. OK, and you're telling me this is the only person that can produce images from Brigitte

00:17:55.740 Macron's past before she became a professor or a teacher. Seems a little suspect. Then below her,

00:18:04.240 we have Bernard Arnault, richest man in the world because he controls LVMH. We mentioned his son-in-law,

00:18:11.880 Xavier Neal, who was the in-between, the go-between between Mimi Marchand and the first couple.

00:18:18.220 But I want you to also know that LVMH owns Paris Match. OK, so that's where she's putting all of these

00:18:24.980 doctored, airbrushed images. I would say airbrushed images of Brigitte so that everyone thinks she's

00:18:31.540 like young and looking and irresistibly hot. She's working on that. Then we'll jump up to the

00:18:37.580 right corner there. We mentioned Nicolas Gasquier, which is the person that's dressing the first lady

00:18:41.840 also under the LVMH empire, the one who is just putting transgendered people everywhere he can.

00:18:47.740 Honestly, you should just Google Nicolas Gasquier in your in your spare time because we didn't even

00:18:52.580 scratch the surface in terms of how dedicated he is to the trans cause and bring all these trans

00:18:56.460 models and putting them on the runway and trying to trans, trans, trans everything. But I'm sure

00:19:00.600 Brigitte Macron is exactly who he says he is. And just I don't know, just wants to dress Brigitte

00:19:06.980 Macron for whatever reason. It is what it is. Then, of course, as we mentioned, Emmanuel Macron's

00:19:11.640 mother, Francois Nogue, who we know is concerning her work to trying to get individuals who suffer

00:19:20.280 from identity issues, new identities and doing this, by the way, this is legal. This is legal now.

00:19:25.440 And then we have there on the bottom who we just discussed was Alexandra Vanala. So just piece all

00:19:33.460 that together. OK, with forgery, extortion and most importantly, with access to a woman who can

00:19:39.600 facilitate the changing of identities. It is not enough for any person investigating this case to

00:19:47.040 ask questions like, is this Brigitte Trugno in the wedding photo? You will notice we didn't ask that

00:19:53.180 question when when my legal team got involved. We didn't say, is this Brigitte Trugno in the

00:19:56.980 wedding photo? We had to instead ask something more specific. Is this the current first lady of

00:20:05.080 France, Brigitte Macron, pictured here in this wedding photo? OK, and that's when the couple gets

00:20:12.580 real quiet. They don't want to answer those questions. Do you guys get what I'm getting at here?

00:20:17.280 OK, because we can confirm that that is indeed a photo of a woman named Brigitte Trugno in that

00:20:25.660 wedding photo. Where that Brigitte is, we cannot confirm because the first lady refuses to answer.

00:20:32.400 She has a mother-in-law who helps transgendered people get new identities. So you have to essentially

00:20:38.400 understand that you can just take somebody's name. You can take you can become somebody else

00:20:45.280 at a moment's notice now legally when you become transgendered. OK, this brings us to Jean-Michel

00:20:52.860 Trugno. OK, we obviously have to discuss him. This is Brigitte Trugno's brother. Today is his

00:20:59.700 birthday. Happy birthday, Jean-Michel Trugno. It's real important that we learn about him, a guy who was

00:21:05.300 so close to his sister, two different people, his sister, Brigitte Trugno, that she made him the best

00:21:12.880 man at her wedding. But then he just was completely missing from mention when the first lady, Brigitte

00:21:20.400 Macron, came into power, seemed to be purposeful to allow this person to fall through the cracks.

00:21:27.160 Despite all of the stuff being written about her family and where she came from, there was no mention

00:21:31.200 of Jean-Michel Trugno. That was the dog that was not barking. We're going to talk about him. We're

00:21:36.880 going to allow that dog to bark. But first, I'm going to take a quick break here to remind you

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00:23:51.580 in France. This has been explosive. Everybody knows something's going on here, but the English-speaking

00:23:58.420 world did not understand what was happening. And there are a lot of questions even in the French-speaking

00:24:02.260 world. They don't understand why it is that Xavier Poussard has not been sued for defamation,

00:24:07.360 but Natasha Ray has. What is the difference? Xavier Poussard was always very clear with me

00:24:12.180 that his major breakthrough came thanks to the work of Natasha Ray. She came to him and first said,

00:24:17.700 like, this is Jean-Michel Drogneau. I've been working on this. So where did she fumble the ball

00:24:21.500 and where did he not fumble the ball? And this is where it gets really interesting. And it was why it was

00:24:25.260 so important for me to slow that down for you, that we are talking about two different individuals,

00:24:32.800 Jean-Michel Drogneau and his sister Brigitte Drogneau. What you should know about Jean-Michel

00:24:37.240 Drogneau was that he was born on February 11th, 1945. And regarding his existence, there can be no

00:24:43.220 question. In fact, it is a stark contrast to trying to look into Brigitte Drogneau, unlike his sister,

00:24:49.600 Brigitte Drogneau, who, like her husband, appears to have nearly every trace of her existence

00:24:56.300 magically wiped, destroyed. You cannot get your hands on documents. In fact, Brigitte Drogneau,

00:25:03.420 the person who's claiming to be in the Élysée Palace as Brigitte Macron, you think it'd be very easy

00:25:09.500 to get school pictures of her. You can't get them. Xavier Poussard has gone through court processes

00:25:17.080 in order to get his hands on a yearbook that should be supplied by law. Okay? She went to Sacred Heart,

00:25:26.340 Sacre Croix. I hope I'm saying that okay in French. Sacre Croix. And they're supposed to give you the

00:25:32.100 yearbook so you can look at a picture. Despite this, the school is refusing to do that. Now, why would a

00:25:38.080 school refuse to give you a photo of the First Lady, of the First Lady growing up? Why can't we see

00:25:44.400 pictures of the First Lady in yearbooks that are in existence? Why can't we see her in elementary

00:25:49.800 school, in middle school, in high school? Why is it that every trace of Brigitte Drogneau's existence

00:25:55.080 is impossible to garner? And it was also difficult but not impossible to garner stuff about Jean-Michel

00:26:02.120 Drogneau. And we were able to piece together a very clear timeline of his existence until he kind of

00:26:08.620 magically falls off of a cliff. So we will walk you through this timeline. Okay?

00:26:14.800 Jean-Michel, I told you, born in 1945. We then know that he begins attending a Jesuit academy. We

00:26:21.620 have multiple photos of him at a Jesuit academy. And I'm going to show you one of them, I believe,

00:26:28.520 that we have here. Yep. So if you look there on the far right bottom, you will see that that

00:26:34.440 is Jean-Michel Drogneau. Okay. And like I said, I'm going to save some of the photos that we have

00:26:40.020 because Xavier Poussard is going to be our next episode, that interview, and what he worked to

00:26:44.880 get his hands on is explosive. And I do not want to ruin that for him. Jumping back into our timeline,

00:26:51.440 in 1953, his little sister, Brigitte Drogneau, was born. Then we know, like I said, he continued to

00:26:58.380 attend that Jesuit academy. Then we have that famous 1944 family picture, which best image

00:27:05.740 released to the documentary maker who felt like she was, for whatever reason, being questioned by

00:27:12.700 the Elieze Palace that would be treating her like she was under interrogation. She was able to get her

00:27:17.940 hands on that family picture. 1955 to 1956, he's back at school. Again, we will have those class photos

00:27:25.660 available for you in Xavier's interview in our sit-down, which we'll be releasing next. In 1960,

00:27:32.820 Brigitte and Jean-Michel Drogneau's sister, Maryvonne Drogneau, dies in a car accident with her husband,

00:27:38.520 Paul Farsi, on February 24th. Their daughter, Natalie, five months old at the time, survives and

00:27:44.320 goes on to marry a guy named Richard, and they have two daughters. In 1963, the public is then given a

00:27:51.080 photo of what we are told is the real Brigitte Drogneau at communion. We note that this does

00:27:57.720 not look like the current first lady, and the current first lady has thus far, to this day,

00:28:01.880 declined to answer my question about whether or not, not if it's Brigitte Drogneau in the photo,

00:28:07.140 but whether or not it's her in the photo. Important differentiation. In 1963, Jean-Michel Drogneau

00:28:13.740 lived in Algiers, Algiers, Algeria, in February. So he was 18 years old. This is a highly unusual

00:28:21.600 thing, as Xavier told me, because this was just after the bloody war of independence. Algeria getting

00:28:28.040 their independence from France. And he says at this time, no Frenchmen went to Algeria unless they

00:28:35.040 were communists. But we know that he was there because there was a census available. And we are

00:28:41.320 keen suddenly to get a photo of him around this time because, well, now we're not talking about

00:28:46.400 kid photos, which seems to be the only thing Brigitte Macron wants to release a very small

00:28:52.800 amount, a total of what, three photos that were released. Doesn't want to release any older photos

00:28:56.860 until suddenly Brigitte Macron is a professor, right? Brigitte Ozier says, oh, I'm a professor.

00:29:02.640 We're just kind of like missing these important years of her life, which would allow us to see the

00:29:07.440 face sort of mutate over time, right? This next photo, which I'm not going to show you because it

00:29:14.220 is explosive and it took Xavier Poussard years to get. He gets his hands on a photo of Jean-Michel

00:29:22.000 Drogneau, who is enrolled in the ESTP school, which is a French engineering school. That becomes the last

00:29:31.780 verified photo that we have on record. But I want you to note he is 18 at this time. You take any

00:29:38.400 person, you take a photo of them when they're 18, and it is very hard to say that you were expecting

00:29:43.120 this person to look majorly different, right? Decades on from that because you are a young adult,

00:29:49.700 right? Jumping back into this timeline, we then know that the real Brigitte Trogneau marries

00:29:57.680 Andre Louis Ozier becoming Brigitte Ozier. We have a wedding announcement. We have a wedding

00:30:03.660 photo. It actually happened. And that is the photo which Natasha Ray made an unfortunate and totally

00:30:10.460 understandable mistake regarding. And then, like I told you, for whatever reason, Jean-Michel

00:30:16.560 photographically disappears. He disappears. And then this amazing thing happens. In 1977, when people

00:30:25.840 started recognizing that their first lady, something about the story didn't make sense, when people

00:30:31.020 began first speaking about their suspicions that they were looking at a transitioned man,

00:30:36.640 for many reasons, they were able to dig up an interview, okay, from 1977. And it's a man who says

00:30:48.940 that he is transitioned and living as a woman named Veronique. Now, for my English listeners,

00:30:56.900 this is going to be a bit confusing for you. So I'm going to describe to you why this was so

00:31:02.300 explosive. Every person that speaks, you can transition your name, you can try to speak in a

00:31:08.460 different tone, but you have tics, you know, almost things that you say that you don't even recognize

00:31:15.140 that you say, words that you might rely on. And for First Lady Macron, that tic, so to speak,

00:31:22.700 is she says, that is to say, right? That is to say. Some people might say, like, you know, like I was

00:31:30.980 going to like the store and like her tic is that is to say, that is to say. So we have this individual

00:31:38.480 who appears, does not show their face. It's shadowed on this talk show in 1977, says their name is

00:31:44.620 Veronique and says that they have transitioned. And the person has the exact same voice as the

00:31:51.580 current First Lady of France and the same tic. And of course, at the time that the First Lady was

00:31:59.280 doing all these interviews, she never thought the public was going to dig up this old interview

00:32:03.260 of this transgendered individual on a talk show saying, that is to say, that is to say over and

00:32:10.060 over again. So I'm going to play a little bit of this interview. Of course, it is in French. So

00:32:15.080 this will mean nothing to English listeners. But then I'm going to read you the transcript because

00:32:19.080 there's some other important coincidences that happened. Take a listen.

00:32:23.800 I believe that in fact, there is no transformation because the psychism is already feminine and the

00:32:29.580 individual, in my opinion, is already prepared to this kind of mutation by necessity. In this

00:32:34.520 sense, we feel a woman and we feel a situation without more. There is no mutation, there is

00:32:40.400 a regularization.

00:32:40.820 You are completely woman, so you have been operated in how many times?

00:32:44.320 J'aime pas tellement le mot devenir complètement femme. C'est-à-dire que nous devenons une sorte de

00:32:49.320 femme pouvant copuler, mais ne pouvant pas procréer. De là des problèmes juridiques d'ailleurs, dont on

00:32:54.800 parlera après. C'est-à-dire que l'intégration se fait sans problème sur le plan individuel, il n'existe que

00:33:01.480 sur le plan social.

00:33:02.480 Now, essentially, someone in the chat here just said that's her voice, but also someone who said

00:33:11.580 in the chat that this, you could refer to this as a voice footprint. That's a perfect way to say it's

00:33:16.940 a voice footprint. There are things that you just can't wrench yourself off. But also, even when you

00:33:21.800 transform your identity, you still have an identity. You still have interests that don't magically go

00:33:27.300 away. If you change your name, okay, this is why I'm going to tell you what she says in the script.

00:33:31.160 If I'm Candace Owens, even if I change my name to Jean-Michel Trogneau, it doesn't transform my

00:33:37.800 interest. It doesn't make me, I love Italian food. I'm not going to suddenly like not like Italian food

00:33:42.560 because I could become Jean-Michel Trogneau. I'm not going to suddenly not be interested in the Blake

00:33:47.880 Lively and Ryan Reynolds case because I changed my name legally to Jean-Michel Trogneau. And so this

00:33:52.680 interview was explosive when it was released because of things that Veronique said. So I'm going to pull up

00:33:57.760 the transcript for you in English and read you what this is translating into. So the interviewer

00:34:03.280 asks, he says to the audience, I can only guarantee the authenticity of Veronique's testimony. Veronique,

00:34:10.880 I'd like to know if when you had this operation, which is the one you've had, it was a difficult

00:34:15.420 moment for you or was it just the culmination of something that had happened before? Veronique says,

00:34:20.540 I don't think there's any transformation because the psyche is already feminine and the individual,

00:34:24.900 in this case me, is already prepared for this kind of mutation out of necessity in the sense that we

00:34:31.160 feel like women and we merely normalize the situation. There's no transfer, there's normalization.

00:34:37.980 The interviewer says, so you're completely a woman? How long ago did you have the operation?

00:34:43.740 Interestingly enough, she doesn't answer that part of the question of when she had an operation,

00:34:47.920 but she goes on and she says, answers, I don't really like the words completely a woman. In other words,

00:34:54.140 we become a kind of woman who can copulate but cannot procreate. Hence the legal problems we'll

00:35:00.280 be talking about later. In other words, integration goes smoothly on an individual level. They only

00:35:06.460 exist on a social level. Okay, so already she's starting to speak about this trouble that we know

00:35:13.360 that Emmanuel Macron's mother is going to concern herself with, which is like, okay, there are these

00:35:18.280 legal problems with who we identify with and who we, we know we're women, okay, but we have these

00:35:24.640 legal hoops and barriers and this is why I'm breaking and telling my story because we have to change this.

00:35:29.540 We have to be able to change this. The interviewer says, you have a job that we're not going to reveal

00:35:34.380 here. Let's just say it's a job that's about the public. Veronique responds, that's right,

00:35:38.500 I'm a craftsman. I have regular contact with the public. I'm in close contact with customers.

00:35:43.020 I don't have any problems. I used to because I had a phenotypic gender, meaning an ambiguous

00:35:48.800 appearance. They took me for what I wasn't, a homosexual, which wasn't the case either in my

00:35:54.560 behavior or in my way of thinking. But unfortunately, this image resulted in non-integration.

00:36:00.740 Um, uh, this is partially cut off here for me, but it says, uh, do, do, do, do, non-integration.

00:36:10.540 And actually, and actually I normalized a situation for my integration and I live very legally and

00:36:20.240 honorably for civil status purposes. It is possible to change your first name to an ambiguous one.

00:36:26.500 This is very important because it enables integration or pseudo integration into society

00:36:32.100 in the sense that there are always problems, but they can be solved administratively by mutual

00:36:37.720 agreement, but legally there's no solution. Unlike all foreign legislation, except the Belgian

00:36:42.860 legislation, which is modeled on ours. The interviewer then asked, do you feel that you are now completely

00:36:48.020 yourself and you don't have any problems identifying yourself since your operation? Veronique says,

00:36:53.160 to tell the truth, I only had identification problems towards others, not with myself. I saw

00:36:58.280 myself as what I was, a woman with a body that didn't belong to her. It's very difficult to conceive

00:37:03.740 for someone who's comfortable in one's own skin. I use the term comfortable in one's own skin because

00:37:08.100 it's the typical image because I didn't have any problems, but people created problems. Now I don't

00:37:13.760 have any problems. To tell the truth, this operation, um, that is the removal of this useless organ in

00:37:20.060 our case because it is both unusable and unused. And the interviewer asks her, do you live alone?

00:37:25.740 Veronique says, I'm not with anyone, but I've lived with a woman and conceived this union in the style

00:37:34.780 of George Sand and Chopin. Chopin was probably a transsexual. His style of melody, the way he plays

00:37:42.280 makes this quite clear. I think the image that has been given of the Rimbaud-Verlan union is a

00:37:49.720 distorted caricatured image that doesn't correspond at all. This is very important. Okay. She has this

00:37:56.920 speech tick. It's exactly like Brigitte Macron's. If you spoke French, you would understand that.

00:38:00.920 But she also mentioned musical composer, Frederick Chopin, plus mentions gay poets, Paul Verlaine

00:38:07.880 and Arthur Rimbaud. Now, why is that significant? Okay. Well, these poets, they were in a homosexual

00:38:12.520 affair, um, you know, but violence, very violent relationship. So she's clearly coming across as

00:38:18.880 someone who was tremendously educated. This is not some random person, right? This is somebody who has

00:38:23.860 been educated in the classics, who is on this show for the purpose of trying to move along legislation

00:38:30.360 to be able to make it easier for people who are trans to secure identities. That is the purpose of

00:38:36.060 this appearance, right? And as I said, the purpose of using someone who has sort of this ability to

00:38:41.980 communicate and speak about the high arts is to make people, perhaps the audience is more sympathetic

00:38:46.220 with the cause, right? She's saying, I was always a woman, which is funny because as I read that,

00:38:51.560 I also, what's ringing in my head is that sentence that Brigitte and Emmanuel wrote to me in the first

00:38:58.680 legal letter. They said, she does not owe you any proof that she has and always will be a woman.

00:39:04.960 Like very strange, very strange thing to write. Almost like I believe it and therefore it is.

00:39:11.780 And of course you do owe me proof. You're going to say that you're going to sue me in a Tennessee

00:39:14.840 court. You absolutely will be owing me proof if you're going to say that I defamed you.

00:39:18.680 But I go going back to the mention, these, these classical mentions regarding Chopin,

00:39:23.080 the first couple, when they were creating their legend in the public, claimed that they had moved a

00:39:30.140 piano into the Elize Palace because Emmanuel Macron, remember the virtuoso, loved to play Chopin for

00:39:37.360 Brigitte and for Brigitte only. So this is something, this matters to the couple, okay? Regarding the

00:39:42.820 homosexual poets that she mentioned, Paul Verlaine and Rimbaud, Emmanuel Macron, while acting as

00:39:50.440 president, considered admitting them both into the pantheon, which is, it's where they bury all of

00:39:58.060 these French heroes, okay? And this sparked a massive debate. Like should these people, first

00:40:05.020 off, one of the lovers shot the other one, had to serve time in prison. Would this be a good thing

00:40:09.640 to move them? He was going to honor them as this like homosexual, these homosexual poets and greats by

00:40:16.280 burying them in this significant structure. But what ended up happening was Rimbaud's family firmly

00:40:22.880 rejected that honor because they did not want his legacy to be reduced to a gay icon.

00:40:30.420 So that's just incredibly fascinating, right? It's incredibly fascinating that you have this

00:40:34.780 person, Veronique, and she's saying and mentioning all the people that we know have this significance

00:40:40.940 in their relationship between Emmanuel Macron and Brigitte. And she has, after somebody used an AI

00:40:47.800 voice analysis, they said that this was 100% the same person. And, you know, I don't know much about

00:40:54.420 these softwares, but for somebody to come out and to declare that this is 100% the same person, and the

00:40:59.380 only difference is that the voice has aged to have the same tics, it's a lot of coincidences. It was major

00:41:05.800 when this happened and when this was revealed. And then there are some more interesting things to

00:41:11.440 remember here, okay? When you jump back into the timeline, so Veronique appears. We don't know

00:41:17.660 what this person's name is in life. They're using this name for this interview, Veronique. No last name.

00:41:24.200 We don't know anything else. But don't forget that this person also said that he's not in a real

00:41:29.220 relationship, but he lives with a woman, okay? Veronique says he lives with a woman. Well, when we jump back

00:41:36.940 into our Jean-Michel Trogneau timeline, we find that at this time, Jean-Michel Trogneau, following this

00:41:44.980 interview, marries a woman. And ironically, her name is Veronique. So, could it be possible that

00:41:54.140 Jean-Michel took on the name of a dear friend named Veronique who he was living with and who he then

00:42:01.460 moved to marry? We don't know because, of course, there are no pictures of this wedding. There's nothing,

00:42:06.280 there's nothing there. Jean-Michel Trogneau, on paper, gets married to a woman named Veronique

00:42:12.560 Drew, okay? And then they have a child. They have a child in 1982 named John Jack. That's the John Jack

00:42:22.100 that looks tremendously like Emmanuel Macron. And then shortly thereafter, in 1987, Jean-Michel divorces

00:42:30.720 Veronique Drew. So, ladies and gentlemen, what is going on? Seriously, just like what is going on

00:42:40.820 in this story? What is happening? How do we have these actors who are unable to produce images from

00:42:48.400 these very relevant things that happened in their lives? You know, where is Jean-Michel Trogneau?

00:42:53.320 You got married to a woman. Are there no pictures from your wedding day? No. And you decided to just

00:43:00.160 fall off a cliff and stop being photographed at the same moment that Brigitte Macron, the professor,

00:43:07.640 the teacher, was born. Suddenly, like, no more photographs for you. What is going on here? Why

00:43:15.060 have, why do we have a situation in which schools, which are legally required to release photos? I

00:43:21.940 believe the law in France is after 50 years, any person can get any photo of somebody that is in

00:43:27.980 school, right? You can release the yearbook photos. Why are they refusing to release photos of who was

00:43:34.360 supposed to be the first lady in elementary school and in middle school and in college? Why can't we get

00:43:42.020 these photos? Why are people having to go through court and be gaslit to get these photos? If it's

00:43:46.380 really you, Brigitte Macron, and you didn't take on the identity of your sister, if it's really you,

00:43:55.420 why are you struggling to answer basic questions? Forget the conspiracies. Why are you refusing to

00:44:01.960 answer basic questions while trying to push people to sue for defamation, waiting for people to make

00:44:09.300 mistakes? Why not just clarify, are you the same person pictured in this wedding photo? Are you

00:44:16.540 Brigitte Trugno? How much more basic of a question could I have asked you, whether then, did you,

00:44:23.260 Brigitte Macron, give physical birth to three children, okay? Do not allow people, the media,

00:44:32.600 to gaslight you into thinking that you are asking of something that is just such an invasion of privacy.

00:44:37.260 It is completely nutty, okay? We are beyond lunacy when we are talking about such basic questions

00:44:45.000 that could have put this all to bed a long time ago, and we are like eight years in to them instead

00:44:51.020 preferring to legally try to punk people, to scare people, to intimidate people, sending out thugs

00:44:59.080 potentially, okay? And when we look at that nebula, when we look at the surrounding and the supporting

00:45:04.840 cast of Emmanuel Macron and Brigitte Macron, do you feel comfortable with what's going on here?

00:45:11.320 Is it every day that you need to have someone who forges documents around you? Allegedly, Mimi

00:45:16.540 Marchand, she's still facing trial right now, someone who's been involved extensively in extortion,

00:45:21.900 who's facing trial right now for extortion. Is it normal to just keep having these sort of gang-type

00:45:25.880 members around you, people that can control images, that can edit images and put it in the press?

00:45:30.780 Like, are we going to accept as the public that this is completely normal, that they just keep

00:45:37.380 landing into these pedophile scandals? Or are we going to recognize that something very sinister

00:45:44.380 is going on, that Emmanuel Macron and Brigitte Macron are not presenting themselves as who they say

00:45:49.260 they are, as what they say they are? I believe they were groomed for this position. I believe

00:45:53.880 especially Emmanuel Macron without question was groomed by Brigitte. There's no question about

00:45:58.080 that. The only question that remains is who the hell is Brigitte Macron? And the obvious answer

00:46:03.000 to me, and after you see these photos that you are going to see one in particular from when

00:46:09.560 Jean-Michel Atragneau was 18, you're going to fall down like I did when I saw it. It's just,

00:46:13.840 it's completely crazy. It's completely crazy. And thankfully for the work of Xavier Poussard,

00:46:19.620 the one thing that helped him not make mistakes was that he was using an AI program, which the World

00:46:28.680 Economic Forum has rated the number one facial detection software, which allowed him to avoid

00:46:35.020 making mistakes. It's the same program that is used by China, right? Obviously, you know they have in

00:46:40.460 China the social credit system and everyone's face they have to be able to tell apart, right? Very

00:46:46.700 similar faces they have to be able to tell apart. And this was ranked as the number one software to

00:46:52.300 be able to do that. And so when he thought something, he ran the software, like with the

00:46:57.080 wedding photo. He ran the software and he said, I know this guy looks like this guy, but the

00:47:01.980 percentage on this software is saying that the cousin and the man are two different people. So he

00:47:06.600 didn't run with that theory. He didn't go just based off of his gut instinct. He also was being aided

00:47:11.740 by a software, which was giving him answers before he even really knew what the answers were. We'll

00:47:17.160 have more on that when I sit down with him. But do know that the software he is using has the

00:47:21.960 blessing of the World Economic Forum. I think we've all figured out that that forum is pretty evil

00:47:27.400 and they want us all to be able to be identified. And the software I had tested out myself to believe

00:47:34.540 in it. It's incredible. I mean, you can take a woman when she's six years old, she could have had

00:47:38.540 20 surgeries in her face to transform her face and it will still go. That's her 80% chance.

00:47:45.260 I've never seen anything like it. It kind of terrifies me about our future. It terrifies me

00:47:49.000 about AI in general. But for the purposes of his investigation, it really allowed him to sort things.

00:47:54.680 And there's no question upon seeing this technology, in my mind, that Jean-Michel Trogneau

00:48:01.420 is Brigitte Macron. The only question that I have is what happened to his sister, Brigitte Trogneau.

00:48:07.460 And you'll get to that as well. Like I said, I didn't want to give us too many spoilers ahead of

00:48:13.260 the interview in my sit down with him. But there's just more. There's so much more for us to unpack.

00:48:20.100 The Rothschild connection, the jobs that he got that he didn't deserve, Emmanuel Macron.

00:48:25.160 And like I said, we will get to all of those things. Before I get into some of your questions,

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00:49:17.360 slash Owens. All right, you guys, by the way, I'm going to try to find a place to put up all of those

00:49:21.720 charts. I mean, you can obviously screenshot it. We're all like internet savvy. And then you can begin

00:49:26.620 working that way through the timeline and things of that nature. But I do hope that I can also create

00:49:30.860 a space like a, almost like a Reddit forum on CandaceOwens.com. Reminding you guys that we also

00:49:36.960 have the book club. We will be doing that in 10 minutes. So I'm going to jump off of this and then

00:49:42.540 I will be on CandaceOwens.com. For those of you that signed up for the book club, you know, our first

00:49:46.680 book, which is relevant to the Emmanuel Macron story in many ways is chaos, unpacking the Charles

00:49:53.740 Manson murders, the CIA, and the secret history of the 60s. Very relevant to understand a lot of

00:49:59.820 these programs, which we spoke about, sort of these covert operations that were going on

00:50:04.040 behind the scenes. So I'm going to just do five minutes here of questions before we have to jump

00:50:08.280 off here. Let's see what we've got. Whoev, whatev writes, love and respect from the South Georgia

00:50:14.240 mama to you. Thank you so much. D. Hen writes, Candace, I never was a fan of yours until the USS Liberty

00:50:19.620 episode. Thank you for bringing that story to life because the history books don't. I'm now a huge

00:50:23.820 fan of yours. You speak truth. Thank you. Thank you so much. I appreciate that. And yeah, it's been

00:50:28.440 a journey, but we just have to unpack this evil and we have to also have the courage ourselves to

00:50:33.340 recognize that this kind of evil exists. Like we got to kind of pop the bubble, you know, step out of

00:50:39.020 the fairy tale and realize that there are some makers of the world without question. And we need to

00:50:45.060 definitively be able to look at someone like Emmanuel Macron and demand answers because he's, he, in my

00:50:50.160 view, is just, he's not in control. You know, he's never been in control of his entire life. He's a

00:50:54.120 weak, spineless little coward. Mickey writes, may God protect and bless you. Thank you for sharing your

00:50:59.260 faith in Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, and the truth of the wicked ways of the abuse to children.

00:51:04.200 Without question, that is kind of the scariest part of the story is so many powerful people involved in

00:51:08.860 so many of these scandals. Lastly, Alaska Dog writes, ah, John Michel shares a birthday with Alex Jones.

00:51:14.880 Also today, whom I'm guessing is enjoying your coverage on the Macron's. Without a doubt, he is.

00:51:20.220 All right, guys, we have got to jump off, as I said, because we have the book club. If you have not signed up

00:51:24.240 for the book club, you absolutely should. Head to CandiceOwens.com. And while you're there, why don't you

00:51:28.340 pick up my new book, Make Him a Sandwich? We will see you guys picking up the Brigitte Macron series with

00:51:33.620 the explosive interview with Xavier Poussard. All right, guys, we'll see you then.

00:51:44.880 Bye.

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Candace Owens - February 12, 2025

Becoming Brigitte： Jean-Michel Trogneux ｜ Ep 4

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