Becoming Brigitte： The Epilogue
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1 hour and 2 minutes
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Summary
In our final episode of the Becoming Brigitte series, we take a deep dive into the mystery surrounding the identity of the current French First Lady, Brigitte Macron. Is she the biological daughter of current French President Emmanuel Macron? Or is she the daughter of a former French Prime Minister, Jean-Marc Poussard? And who is her biological father?
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Today, we jump back into our conclusive episode on the Becoming Brigitte series
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because I know there are so many lingering questions.
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Is Brigitte Macron the first lady of France, Emmanuel Macron's biological father?
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and I think today we can allow ourselves to roam and wonder these sorts of questions.
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I see that there are TikTokers that are getting their accounts hit
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I think it's safe to say that my interview with journalist Xavier Poussard
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It definitely melted our website at CandiceOwens.com.
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There were many people who had not previously engaged in the series entirely,
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but they saw the now infamous side-by-side of the photo of a young Jean-Michel
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when he was 18 years old, taken at an engineering school next to the current French first lady,
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Brigitte Macron, and they were just kind of jolted into the understanding that something was very wrong.
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Like, yes, you can be an almost identical twin with your brother who you're supposed to have
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like, you know, seven years, seven or eight years apart from, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
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The photographic evidence became instantly, I think, undeniable for a lot of people.
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And so now we have just a lot of people that are going backwards and diving in from the very beginning,
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I am recommending do not start at that interview and then jump into this episode.
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One can only come to understand how such a potential identity swap could be feasible
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if you begin to map out the supporting cast of characters.
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That's why we took our time here, because you have to understand who is around these people.
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How much power would it take if you did want to create identities or destroy identities?
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So first and foremost, just bringing this back up, let's take again a look at Emmanuel's family tree.
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And of course, we have learned, and I'm going to reinforce here, that he is not, at least
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doesn't appear that he was close to who are supposed to be his biological parents or his
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biological siblings, at least by any stretch of an understanding of his own autobiography,
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But he had so much to say about Brigitte's family and really only a lot to say in terms
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of his biological family about his grandmother.
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And I think most of us suspect, and I can say I most certainly do, that that mom and dad,
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That's how I just feel about the circumstance in terms of him describing, well, it was my grandmother
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Again, this is our last episode, so we can start to theorize a bit.
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I feel incredibly suspicious about the fact that they're both doctors, that they were
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And your mom, who we thought or didn't understand why she was involved with the Social Security
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Office, actually was involved in helping transgendered people secure new identities.
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That doesn't make us feel good about that nebula that is around them.
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Then, of course, like I said, the curious case of his grandmother, who he affectionately
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We know that there are virtually no photos of her available.
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The person who essentially raised Emmanuel Macron, again, according to his own autobiography,
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Why is it so hard to get photographs that demonstrate his childhood?
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Was her name even actually Jermaine Aribet Nogue?
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Did she have another name that she may be potentially used?
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I'm taking you guys through my own process here.
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Like I said, while in the past we have stuck strictly to the facts, today we are going to
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I hold the suspicion that many of the people have come to, I think, the same exact understanding
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that it could be plausible that all of these people have multiple identities.
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If you've got somebody in the family that can destroy identities and create identities,
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And I also think it's important to think about the time frame.
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You know, thinking about relatives that were growing up during World War I or World War II,
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we are talking about humans moving over national lines, nations changing, literally geographical
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changes that were happening depending on who won wars or who lost wars, right?
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You had people who were hiding their true identities.
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Sometimes out of a necessity, out of fear of persecution, right?
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You have to completely get IDs, change your identity and hide in different countries.
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Well, we know for a fact that within this particular story, despite what we are being sold as the
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public, at least one side of the family changed their names or had one member who changed their
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And it's kind of strange that the public was sold this story about the Trogno's without somebody just
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adding that actually we made up this guy's name.
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Brigitte Trogno, where did that family come from before they settled in Amiens and became sort of like
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It looks like the Trogno family operates like a mafia to this day.
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They're supposed to be a family of chocolatiers.
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They have this supposed to be the sweet origin story.
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And this is actually the most recent publication discussing their family story that I could
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And this was to announce the birth of another Trogno family member.
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And it's showing you the lineage of the fathers of the chocolatiers, right?
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And I'm showing you this because I want you to understand all of the men in the Trogno family
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It is significant also because it complicates matters, okay?
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So if they say Jean Trogno is alive and well, you're not really getting anything there,
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Every male in the Trogno family has the name Jean Trogno.
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And most of them, by the way, to be clear, have more than one middle name, okay?
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So first and foremost, just going back to that publication, if we can get that back up,
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that first original Trogno, Jean Baptiste, yeah, that was a lie.
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The original Jean that settled in Amiens and opened this chocolatier shop, his real name
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So that's just a part of the legacy that they just like made up.
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And I'm not sure what the reason or the purpose of that lie is.
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Again, we know for a fact his name was Marc Etienne.
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Jean, we were able to secure the birth certificate.
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So it's just the question of why even start with a small lie about your family's legacy?
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Or was a conscious decision made for one reason or another that's unbeknownst to the public
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Is it really about just making things more confusing?
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Did you make a decision that we're going to call everybody in the family Jean?
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Even, by the way, to be clear, the women in the family also have male middle names.
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We are told, by the way, that that's Brigitte in her mother's lap.
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This photo, again, to remind you, was introduced to the public by Mimi Marchand, who we do not
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But you can see Brigitte's middle name, her full name is actually Brigitte Marie Claude
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Which is interesting, by the way, to be clear, because her dad, as you can see, doesn't have
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So she's taking on Claude Trogneau for what reason?
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He does have a son, as you can see right above there in this photo, a son who has Marie in
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You don't typically see this in families outside of the aristocracy, right?
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Outside of the aristocracy, where you'll see 20 names going back to show their lineage.
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Jean-Claude Marie Joseph Brigitte Claude Trogneau.
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And then, of course, we have our guy, Jean-Michel Henry Trogneau, to the far left.
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And then, just to add more confusion, the people in the family seem to marry people that have
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So this is not too relevant for you to remember.
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You can keep that photo up, because I just want to keep going through it.
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Um, but Monique Trogneau, there on the right, she married someone with the same first name
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And then Jean-Claude, the brother up top there, married someone with the same name as his sister,
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And this is why you can just sort of go down this rabbit hole.
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And it makes you wonder, as I have wondered, is this confusion intentional?
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Because if you have all these names and everyone's kind of got the same name, my brain just goes,
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it would make it very easy for you to move throughout the family and share identifications,
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To go in and say, I just want an ID that says Claude Joseph.
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I have a lot of names, but I'm actually Claude Joseph.
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But to be clear, this image in general is not one that I'm comfortable with because, as I mentioned,
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we do not trust Best Image because we do not trust Mimi Marchand.
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And the first time that this image was ever presented to the public, it was given to the
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public, to the documentary filmmaker who said that she felt like she was interviewing with
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She did this documentary, Brigitte Macron, a French novel.
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And she said she had never been questioned like that.
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She was only allowed to speak to certain people, given very few photos.
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And those photos all had to go through Mimi Marchand's best image.
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So she's handing out these images and her history, Mimi Marchand's, of being accused of
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I'm starting to wonder what exactly Best Image specializes in, that they had the exclusive
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on any photos from Brigitte's past and only produced a few.
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Because there's one thing that some people on the internet have caught on, a couple of
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things really that jump out to me as odd about this photo.
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First and foremost, that girl on the far right, Monique Trogneau, okay?
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It looks like a lot of fingers, maybe potentially too many fingers.
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Looks like six fingers, three of them of which are nubs.
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And the one thing that I do know about Photoshop is that people say it is incredibly hard to
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That's usually where people get caught photoshopping when you see all these scandals.
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We knew Kim Kardashian photoshopped it because of her hands.
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Again, I don't work in that space, but it is incredibly hard to Photoshop hands and fingers.
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As soon as I saw it, after going through so much of Brigitte's history, I realized, and
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we can pull that photo up again, that Monique just looked familiar to me.
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But to be honest, she looks a lot like this photo.
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I was like, this looks like this photo looks very, very similar.
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It looks like, I don't know, how could this be two different people?
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And if you're wondering what that photo is on the left, that's a photo of Brigitte.
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And apparently they dug up France 3, came across an old photo from 1989 of Brigitte, Brigitte
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So this is Brigitte after marriage, Brigitte in the teacher phase.
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And I just find that that face is just so familiar.
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And so I just said to myself, okay, well, let me just see some current pictures of Monique.
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Maybe they still look like dead ringers for one another.
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So this shouldn't be hard to find photos of Monique.
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And actually, it was really hard to find photos of Monique.
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Despite marrying a billionaire from Amiens, now a billionaire automobile family, Monique
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Trogneau marries this guy, again, not important for you to remember, named Jean-Claude Guidet,
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who owns like the largest automobile billionaire company in France.
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She just never took photos throughout her life besides that one.
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And Xavier Poussard had warned me because I was texting him going, how is this possible?
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And Xavier warned me, don't start down the rabbit holes because nothing makes sense.
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As soon as you start looking at the story, you realize nothing makes sense.
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And that's exactly what they want, essentially to drive you crazy, to confirm what should be
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And for whatever reason, it's virtually impossible to do so.
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Despite the big names of these families, despite their proximity to power,
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it is virtually impossible to confirm anything.
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But there's one thing that I find that makes entirely no sense, and it's very strange.
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And I would very much like to invite the public to jump in on this incredible mystery.
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So many of you had suspected that these families might all be related.
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Are the Oziers, the Trogno's, and the Macron's all just from the same family?
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Is there a chance that Brigitte Macron, some of you asked, is actually the father of Emmanuel Macron?
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Now, to be clear, I had never made that statement because I wanted to keep this series factual
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and to pull away from my gut and to be like Xavier and to only go with the documents and the things
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But there is obviously a lot going on here, a lot of evidence which suggests and points to the conclusion
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that the secret seems to be bigger than just having a transgendered wife, right?
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I mean, think back to the moments that we went over here of President Emmanuel Macron looking
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to his wife, Brigitte, for answers, basic answers about the biological, biographical background
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Remember that scene we told you about when he was speaking to a politician and the politician
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Why don't you know where your sister lives, Emmanuel?
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Why does it feel like there is this relationship where maybe you and Brigitte, Brigitte's, you're,
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I don't know, more than a wife for sure, to be sure.
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Why does it feel like Brigitte is sort of holding your hand?
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Why does it feel like you've always had your hand held by people that are more powerful than
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We definitely know and have confirmed, like we did in the last episode, that he had his hand
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held through his career by David the Rothschild, a family that is known and is on record as
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Why and how did Emmanuel Macron get so close to the Rothschilds, so close that his colleague
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said this dude didn't even know what EBITDA meant and yet he became the youngest managing
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We understood that whatever it was, David Rothschild was holding his hand.
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You just couldn't question the power that he was being given and we would laugh at him
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in meetings because he knew nothing about finance.
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Why did David Rothschild see to it that Emmanuel had his hand held?
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Vice is nice, but incest is best because it stays in the family.
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That is a direct quote from David de Rothschild's cousin, Natalie Reams Rothschild.
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And in case you don't believe me, here was a clip of her saying that, by the way.
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And like we did very often in these families, vice is nice, but incest is best because it
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She switched right over from French and said, this is what we say in our family.
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Then there was a biography which was written by author Natalie Livingston, which was entitled
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The Women of Rothschild, which sort of revealed the maniacal desire that the Rothschild family
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had to maintain their fortune and their power in the world, a desire that was so maniacal
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And allegedly, they did this only until it was no longer socially acceptable, right up until
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the late 19th century, you guys, right before we get into this Trogno family, which is just
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And what's interesting in this book is that Natalie Livingston documents that the reason
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for this is the original Rothschild, Mayor Amschel Rothschild's will.
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In it, Mayor Amschel Rothschild said that nothing was more important than the family, and that
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It was about preserving the unity of the bank and the integrity of the name.
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There's no question endogamy can't have been great.
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For example, there's an enormous amount of mental health issues that ran in the family.
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I can't believe there's not a correlation between endogamous matches and the issues of
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She then even discusses how that mentality within the family was so strong that they believe
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that any woman who stepped outside of the family in terms of who she married was cursed.
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Like, you are cursed because you did not marry your cousin, brother, uncle, whatever it is.
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So, of course, your brain wanders and you begin to think naturally in this story, why did David
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A guy who his colleagues said did not even know what EBITDA was, and yet David Rothschild
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moved to make him the youngest managing partner in the bank's history, okay?
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If you are a Rothschild, you care about making profit.
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Of course, if you care, especially in a maniacal sense, about making sure that your power is
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not lost in the world, the last thing you're going to do is pluck up some obscure guy who
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You would only step outside of that obvious goal of wanting the bank to make money if there
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was something more important to money, and that would be power, right?
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And you would only do that if nepotism was going on, in my view.
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You're like, I'm pulling you through the ranks because you are related to me, and what matters
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more to me is that this bank and whatever it is that you do maintains within the family.
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You give someone a job not because they're qualified in that sense, but because they are
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How and why did David the Rothschild get so close to the Macron family of doctors and the
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What I can tell you, and again, we are now being purely speculative, is that my instinct,
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my personal instinct has always been that if you were going to inbreed, a father-son
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I always felt that if it took place, we would be looking for an uncle.
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Like an uncle molesting a child feels like that's what my brain instantly does, what my brain
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instantly searches for, and it turns out, you guys, you are not going to believe me, but
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this pattern of similar names in every family and the family members also extends to the
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Remember, there are no photos known to date of Emmanuel Macron with his parents growing
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We do know that his father, the person that they tell us is his father, his name is, of
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But there's another Jean-Michel that we haven't mentioned yet, and he's perhaps the most important
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Now, let's add him to the Emmanuel family tree so you guys can get a visual here, okay?
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Well, Francois Nogue has a brother and had a brother.
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As you can see, he died in 2006, and his name was Jean-Michel Nogue.
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He is the brother of Dr. Francis Nogue, the one who helps transgendered individuals get
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And also, she said, as we pointed out, that to her, Brigitte is not a daughter-in-law, huh?
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Okay, let's just keep going down this rabbit hole.
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Well, the funny thing is that Emmanuel Macron did not follow the normal course of Catholicism,
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He chose himself to be baptized at the age of 12 while he was at the La Prabhadaw school.
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So two years before he met the love of his life, Brigitte, he decided to make a decision,
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A remarkable thing for a 12-year-old to do without parental guidance.
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But what's interesting in that what we haven't mentioned before is that he chose his uncle,
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Jean-Michel, to be his godfather when he got baptized, okay?
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So baptisms are not supposed to be just like an act of vanity.
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I'm just going to pick a godfather or godmother, and actually I have no faith in God, no faith in religion.
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This person is supposed to be selected to be the person to guide you spiritually throughout the rest of your life.
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If something were to happen to you, this is a person that your parents would entrust.
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If something were to happen to your parents, pardon, this is supposed to be an individual that your parents would entrust to guide you spiritually for the rest of your life.
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Emmanuel Macron picked Jean-Michel Nogue, his uncle, okay?
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I'm going to read this directly from Xavier Poussard's book.
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A character in particular caught our attention, Emmanuel Macron's maternal uncle, Jean-Michel Nogue.
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Emmanuel Macron chose him as his godfather when he decided to be baptized.
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The role of the godmother obviously fell to Manette.
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Born on December 15th, 25th, pardon, 1940 in Nieve and died on October 6, 2006 in Amiens, Jean-Michel Nogue was not some general practitioner.
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He was a prominent member of the Board of the Faculty of Medicine of Amiens, as indicated by his obituary published by his colleagues in Le Courier-Picard.
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He was also the chairman of Domus Medica, a non-trading real estate company, bringing together numerous of local healthcare professional organizations.
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Then he gets into, these are just friends for the council department, blah, blah, blah.
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So I thought, surely this man, Uncle Jean-Michel, must be photographed somewhere.
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Maybe a photo of him and Emmanuel at the baptism day.
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Maybe on Emmanuel Macron's wedding day to Brigitte, surely we can find a photo of this guy within medical circles, okay?
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First and foremost, he died in 2006, the year before Emmanuel Macron got married to the love of his whole entire life, Brigitte.
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And regarding photos, of course, of course, Xavier Poussard attempted to secure them.
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He specifically went to the archives of the Faculty of Medicine where Jean-Michel, Uncle Jean-Michel, worked in Amiens and built up such a remarkable reputation for himself.
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And we don't have any photos from him from when he was alive and was clearly very active in Emmanuel's life.
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And I don't know why Emmanuel didn't dedicate an entire chapter to him, his uncle, who he was so close to spiritually, his leader.
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You know, that's not something you just forget, right?
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The person who you believe is going to spiritually guide you throughout the rest of your life.
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You would know the significance of such a meaning.
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It just, again, more than anything, demonstrates the unbelievably, unnecessarily secretive nature that surrounds this family.
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You have to imagine, by the way, that Uncle Jean-Michel would have been living in Amiens at the same time that Jean-Michel Trogneau would have been living in Amiens throughout his marriage with the woman that he married.
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Yeah, they were all just in this little close community.
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They both just kind of disappear into thin air.
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Anyways, this is just what happens when you look into things.
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They instead wait for everyone who's investigating this to make a mistake, and then they sue people.
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Make a mistake while you're asking meaningful questions, and you are going to get sued if you live in France.
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People have been imprisoned for looking into the story, arrested for looking into the story.
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It is meant to drive everyone crazy, jumping through a thousand rabbit holes.
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And speaking of rabbit holes, we should now discuss more thoroughly the little chubster, the little fat one, as Xavier calls him, recently presented by the media as proof that Jean-Michel exists.
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I have no doubt in my mind that a Jean-Michel exists in Amiens.
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So, do not color me shocked when they say, we have found a Jean-Michel.
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Now, you're probably thinking, Candice, yeah, there's just too many Jean-Michels in every side of this family.
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Well, we at least have to try to understand who this little chubby guy is and if he is indeed the same Jean-Michel that is pictured in the initial Trogno family photo.
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Let's try to identify the little fat one, the little chubster, okay?
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Now, it's important that I keep reminding you that the public is being gaslit in a manner that would make even Sigmund Freud blush.
00:32:40.460
It is so easy to simply present photos of the current first lady throughout the 80s or photos of her with her brother, Jean-Michel, at any point throughout her entire life, okay?
00:32:59.280
Don't let the media gaslight you and pretend this is crazy.
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They are being crazy by not just putting all of this to rest.
00:33:07.940
Even if her very active and photographed teaching years, even if she found some throughout her very active and photographed teaching years of her and Jean-Michel together, I'd be like, okay, cool.
00:33:19.740
There is only one massive family reunion photo that I could find since that family photo that was taken in the 1950s in Amiens.
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And this photo was actually published in 1991 in a German magazine, and I'm going to show it to you.
00:33:39.340
Now, you can see on the right there, we have got Brigitte, now Brigitte Osier, and missing from this photo is Jean-Michel.
00:33:51.900
There's no Jean-Michel in this photo, and it was allegedly them all getting together to celebrate the 50th wedding anniversary of the father, Jean-Georges Trogneau, and his wife, Simone.
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So why would you not have all of the siblings there that are alive?
00:34:09.580
Doesn't that seem like quite the event to miss?
00:34:12.960
We should very easily be able to say that the siblings are all here because you don't just miss your parents' 50th in 1991.
00:34:22.920
We know that Jean-Michel has never died on paper, okay?
00:34:29.200
He is still alive, according to Brigitte Macron, but what he does, what he has been doing, what his career is, nobody knows.
00:34:40.800
We are told in one book by one journalist who found it to be very suspicious when she went out to investigate this circumstance, Emmanuel Anizan,
00:34:50.020
that she was told in Amiens that he just plays cards with his friends.
00:34:55.380
I guess he's just a private guy who never left Amiens.
00:34:59.360
He never left Amiens after his divorce from Veronique Drew.
00:35:03.120
Now he's just kind of like retired and playing cards in a cafe with his friends.
00:35:07.480
Okay, nobody really knows what he's been up to.
00:35:10.680
So with questions that were then reaching a fever pitch amongst the French public when they realized that, for whatever reason,
00:35:17.380
this brother had been sort of left out of Brigitte's story, and now they're being told that, well, him and Brigitte were so close that at his wedding,
00:35:24.460
she signed, at his very private wedding to Veronique Drew, she signed on as the witness,
00:35:38.120
Suddenly, the media had to start making up some answers, and the answer that they provided was,
00:35:43.260
oh, a little chubby guy, as I discussed with Xavier Poussard.
00:35:47.900
We are told that this guy is the extraordinarily private Jean-Michel, all grown up.
00:35:54.780
Now I can tell you right off the bat, in case you're wondering,
00:35:57.060
the World Economic Forum Chinese Software Program says,
00:36:00.340
no, that is not the Jean-Michel that we are looking for of a little boy in the photo.
00:36:10.100
Now, Xavier does say that when it comes to glasses, just to be super clear with you guys,
00:36:15.660
that the technology doesn't want you to use two people that are wearing glasses,
00:36:20.360
or glasses in general, they do caution, can sometimes shade the face in a different way.
00:36:24.660
But you can see here, when we're showing you this, we're talking 52% confidence on the little chubby
00:36:33.240
Anyways, it would be easier, rather than having to use technology, if the Elize Palace just came
00:36:37.940
right out and said, yes, this is actually Jean-Michel Trogneau, the one you've been looking
00:36:42.280
for, the same one pictured in that 1953 family photo from Amiens.
00:36:52.680
Hush, hush, be quiet, threat, sue, is their thing.
00:36:56.860
So instead, just to be clear, in the initial letter that they sent me, the 100-page letter
00:37:04.040
of an opportunity, really, to say to me, do not publish your series.
00:37:09.620
I am telling you that this Jean-Michel that you're looking for, that little boy on the left,
00:37:16.380
And they could have just provided me photos of his missing years.
00:37:19.800
They decided to squander away that opportunity by instead sending me screenshots of the little
00:37:26.360
chupster at the inauguration of Emmanuel Macron.
00:37:33.920
What's more, Jean-Michel has recently appeared in public.
00:37:38.220
He attended President Macron's inauguration in 2017 and 2022.
00:37:46.580
During your June 12, 2024 appearance on Piers Morgan Uncentered, you bet Piers Morgan $100,000
00:37:53.660
that he could not find a photo of Jean-Michel Trogneau, implying that this would disprove your
00:38:00.120
Below are publicly available images of Jean-Michel Trogneau from videos of President Macron's 2017
00:38:10.980
You will see that not only is Jean-Michel present, but also in the same frame as Brigitte
00:38:18.020
The conclusive evidence that you have been seeking to debunk your claims.
00:38:26.200
It's amazing that the Élysée Palace, rather than giving us a document, a passport, which
00:38:33.740
things blacked out, but maybe just his name, a driver's license, anything that would be
00:38:39.260
a form of ID, photos of them together growing up, because this is our problem, is sending
00:38:44.520
me screenshots of an inauguration with a guy in the background.
00:38:54.440
I have no doubt that a Jean-Michel Trogneau exists somewhere in Amiens.
00:39:00.760
But of course, they mistook me for a fool, okay?
00:39:03.200
I've already been made wise to their game, so to speak.
00:39:06.960
Names, and it's all about how you phrase the questions.
00:39:11.220
It means nothing to tell me that a Jean-Michel exists, but it would mean everything if they
00:39:16.260
simply spelled out an answer to a basic question about who they are claiming is Jean-Michel.
00:39:22.580
So we went back to them with an exact question, so as to their—so there could have been no
00:39:31.540
Here is the wording that we wrote in our letter back.
00:39:33.680
Because the McCrones dispute the substance of Candace's reporting and opinions, we would
00:39:38.420
like to provide them with the opportunity to present their stories and to clear up any
00:39:44.920
As such, we offer any date and time during the months of January, February, and March of
00:39:52.020
2025 for an interview between Candace and your clients.
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Candace, her producer, and a videographer will fly to Europe and arrange for a translator
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and studio in which the McCrones can answer questions.
00:40:04.240
As you know, the first remedy for a defamation plaintiff is mitigation by using available
00:40:09.760
opportunities to contradict the lie or correct the error, and thereby to minimize its adverse
00:40:19.840
To facilitate this interview, we offer the following questions in advance.
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So we gave them this opportunity weeks before we began this series to answer a specific
00:40:30.280
question about Jean-Michel at the inauguration.
00:40:38.280
Is the man you showed at President Macron's inaugurations in 2017 and 2022 the same individual
00:40:48.740
pictured on the far left in the Trogno family photograph from Amiens?
00:41:03.260
They had the energy and the frustration to write the letter and say it's a lie, and we
00:41:08.320
gave them a runway of two weeks to say, just give us a yes or no to this, and I promise
00:41:16.120
If they had answered and said, yes, this is him, I would be reporting that information today
00:41:20.480
because I'm not interested in jumping down this rabbit hole for the purpose of spinning
00:41:25.800
There is something very wrong with this family, and perhaps the biggest thing that is wrong
00:41:30.640
with this family is their refusal to answer basic questions while pretending that they're
00:41:35.100
being victimized by the questions at the exact same time.
00:41:43.500
So with no response from them at all, suddenly them going mum on answering these very basic
00:41:51.380
yes or no questions, we decided to instead turn to try to identify the guy with the inauguration
00:41:58.880
They gave us in their notations a YouTube link, hours of footage from the inauguration,
00:42:06.840
Okay, Eliezee Palace legal team, we will raise to the challenge and look through this.
00:42:13.060
Maybe there is this familial vibe we can pick up on.
00:42:17.280
First thing that I should note is that in both of these inaugurations, the Jean Michel is not
00:42:23.920
standing with the family for Macron's speeches, okay?
00:42:29.520
In the 2017 inauguration, here's a still, he is standing with a bunch of priests, okay?
00:42:36.860
And when you watch the footage, the family is all walking together as they go down the
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And Laurent, that would be Brigitte's quote unquote daughter, speaks to him very briefly.
00:42:53.400
It's like you got to kind of walk through and say hi.
00:42:54.960
The family is walking down and he's greeted, two kisses on the cheek by Emmanuel Macron,
00:43:07.000
Maybe he just showed up too late, got ushered in, okay, fine.
00:43:13.000
Something that's also interesting is that Jean-Claude, his alleged big brother, who he wasn't
00:43:18.260
with, standing with or anything, was also present on this inauguration day.
00:43:22.160
And yet Jean-Claude at the luncheon, which followed this speech, was seated at a table
00:43:35.920
Not Jean-Michel, not the person they allege is Jean-Michel.
00:43:38.440
For whatever reason, he was not seated with his siblings.
00:43:41.500
Now that's in French, the bottom, it says, this was published, by the way, in 2023.
00:43:47.220
Interestingly enough, in Paris Match, and they were speaking about the Trogno family.
00:43:52.440
And they declined to mention that Jean-Michel, as they're telling us now, was at this inauguration,
00:43:58.240
not sitting down at this table with his relatives, not sitting down with his brother, not sitting
00:44:05.120
And what it says down there is at the table of Brigitte, her brother, Jean-Claude, and loved
00:44:21.800
But let me tell you, it's going to get even stranger at the 2022 inauguration.
00:44:25.300
Because scrubbing through the footage, I once again recognize that Jean-Michel is not standing
00:44:36.520
Because even more awkward is the fact that when Emmanuel finishes his speech and does the
00:44:46.420
And he makes a concerted effort to kiss and hug everyone alongside Brigitte.
00:44:53.280
You'll see Brigitte just a pace behind him, intentionally pausing to kiss and hug all the family members.
00:45:13.840
But what we're seeing here are nephews, cousins.
00:45:16.660
We're able to confirm who all of these people are.
00:45:23.500
It's both sides of the family that are standing in this section.
00:45:32.300
I'm just going to let this play because it's important for you to recognize the differences here.
00:45:36.280
This, by the way, in case you want to look this up yourself, is at the 43-minute mark of the inauguration.
00:45:43.720
Now you're seeing Laurent, another child of Brigitte, okay, kissing her kids.
00:45:49.960
And now behind, you have who is supposed to be his mother, biological mother, Dr. Frances Nogue, who spends her time helping transgendered individuals get new IDs.
00:46:03.980
The person they allege is Jean-Michel, for whatever reason, once again, does not want to stand with his family, okay?
00:46:15.380
Then you have to fast forward all the way up to the 51-minute mark to see him finally approaching Jean-Michel.
00:46:21.160
And a couple of things I'm going to point out to you.
00:46:22.700
Now, this is the screenshot where the legal team had the audacity to say, in the same frame, he's in the same photo as his sister, Brigitte.
00:46:32.320
What they left out was that Brigitte completely ignores him.
00:46:36.840
I mean, completely does not say a word to the individual that is supposed to be her brother.
00:46:41.660
Let's watch this together and watch how awkward Emmanuel Macron is with this individual.
00:46:59.320
They won't answer that for sure, but that's supposed to be who they're trying to make us believe is her brother.
00:47:06.180
Emmanuel, Brigitte just completely, oh, there's the frame where they're trying to like, oh, she's right there with her brother.
00:47:16.080
Who would do this to their brother on inauguration day?
00:47:20.140
I feel like if I was in the presence of my brother-in-law, I'd like feel like I must go up to him first, right?
00:47:27.980
And then Emmanuel's like, oh, okay, I have to say something.
00:47:44.480
Jean-Michel was standing with David Rothschild.
00:47:50.580
Because Jean-Michel didn't have a career in baking, in banking.
00:47:54.400
Jean-Michel may have had a career in baking, but not banking, right?
00:47:57.440
He's supposed to be from the family of chocolatiers.
00:48:00.540
We can't find any evidence of him having left Amiens.
00:48:15.020
But I got to tell you, my entire family is all the way down there.
00:48:20.120
And I've decided not to sit with them, not to stand with them, but to be by myself with
00:48:30.000
Ladies and gentlemen, what the hell is going on?
00:48:37.420
Brigitte, once again, doesn't want Jean-Michel at her table.
00:48:40.600
They were so close when she got married to Andre Lewis.
00:48:45.100
They were so, please, I need you to be the best man.
00:48:49.400
So close when he got married to Veronique Drew.
00:48:51.940
It must have been a massive family falling out that makes it so that even when he's at
00:48:56.460
the inauguration, he doesn't want, he doesn't stand with the family.
00:49:00.040
Like, it just must have been an absolute disaster of a family falling out.
00:49:05.540
And again, what do the Rothschilds have to do with Amiens?
00:49:09.900
I just find this to be an incredible theme here.
00:49:18.220
Well, what it means is that, unfortunately, guys, I can't answer these questions for you
00:49:23.660
and neither at this moment can Xavier Poussard.
00:49:27.520
But what it means is that for the first time, rather than the entire world being told by the
00:49:32.060
mainstream media, being gaslit by the mainstream media to believe that there was nothing here
00:49:36.480
and Candace was having postpartum psychosis by looking into the story, now millions and
00:49:42.500
millions of people worldwide are going to look into the story.
00:49:57.160
Someone somewhere may be able to find a photo of Jean-Michel Nogue in the archives of the medical
00:50:03.680
centers that he worked at throughout his illustrious career.
00:50:08.340
Someone somewhere maybe recognizes which Jean-Michel that is.
00:50:14.540
Someone somewhere perhaps knows the answer to the mystery of what happened to Brigitte Trogneau.
00:50:29.980
Did Brigitte Trogneau die young after having children?
00:50:36.600
It's taken us, taken Xavier Poussard, pardon, and people like Natasha Ray, almost a decade
00:50:47.760
Natasha Ray has been in and out with a cancer diagnosis, being tortured by the Trogneau
00:50:54.940
mafia, as I would describe it, because they act like a mafia when you start prying into
00:51:02.480
We will legally abuse you if you start asking these questions, because that's what we'd
00:51:08.600
They have given up a decade of their lives to researching this, and now we have the ability
00:51:16.020
And so if you have information about this family, maybe you're somebody sitting in Algeria
00:51:27.880
Maybe you went to school with Jean-Michel Trogneau.
00:51:30.840
Maybe you are in the French military and you see something strange about access to his files,
00:51:38.040
There is a military file that is being locked down as it pertains to Jean-Michel Trogneau.
00:51:44.440
Again, something that is supposed to be made available to the public that they won't make
00:51:51.420
So private, but he does go to the inauguration.
00:51:52.940
But so private, he doesn't want to stand with the family or be involved with them.
00:52:09.800
Yes, I agree with those of you that are commenting right now that we are looking potentially at
00:52:17.500
That is what in my gut feels it has to be a secret so big that it would make them react
00:52:24.620
in this way because it is a type of violence to treat journalists like this.
00:52:29.360
It is a kind of emotional violence to do these sorts of things.
00:52:32.900
And they do it as though they know that advice is nice, but incest is best and things should
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All right, guys, getting into some of your questions that are coming in right now, which
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This person just got my Becoming Brigitte book in today.
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Thank you and your team for all of the great work that you guys do.
00:55:35.220
Honestly, guys, this series, Podcast Forum, is one fraction of the work that Xavier Poussard
00:55:42.960
Way more pedo criminals that I could have brought up and just thought, okay, we want to keep
00:55:50.040
I mean, even today, me telling you about The Uncle, we hadn't even gotten to that point.
00:55:53.020
And, yeah, to see the success of this book, people that are already asking for rights to
00:56:00.120
I'm getting emails on behalf of Xavier that are coming in.
00:56:03.440
I'm just so happy for him because, like I said, his family, what a sacrifice.
00:56:07.140
You just don't see journalists like that anymore who are willing to give up and fundamentally
00:56:11.840
alter their lives to tell a truth and to stand up against true power, true systemic power and
00:56:20.140
Nadia is giving us tons of vomit emojis just speaking about the topic of incest.
00:56:28.080
And it is unbelievable to hear someone just say that on stage and admit that freely.
00:56:33.320
Ali says, Candice, the media poisoned my mind against you for so long.
00:56:36.980
I am truly sorry, but I am here now and staying because you are one of the most elegant and
00:56:44.640
I know so many people have heard lies about me last year when I began looking into the
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It seems to be one of the points where everything turned around and they just started trying
00:56:54.040
to tell people that I was literally Adolf Hitler.
00:56:58.360
A couple of weeks ago, right before we started this story, they then came out and tried to
00:57:01.960
convince the public that I was inspiring school shootings.
00:57:04.660
I mean, it has been insane, insane to see what the media will do to someone when they inch
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And I think all of us wake up at a different moment and begin to question our relationship with
00:57:15.400
Mine's happened a little earlier than yours, Ali, but I had that moment too.
00:57:19.580
I believed everything that I read because it almost, you would be crazy to think that
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the media is actually protecting evil and attacking good.
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But that is the circumstance that we find ourselves in today.
00:57:33.560
And it's a beautiful thing to wake up to it actually and to have the humility to admit
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They just go, I've said this for years, so I have to just keep saying a thing.
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You have these days when you're pregnant where you're just like, I just can't do it.
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And I was having that kind of a morning and now I feel great and amazing.
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Mikkel writes, Friday guesses, fake moon landing, Manson murders, F scene, MLK.
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So I have announced that tomorrow I will be announcing my next series and it's a big one.
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We're not going to start it tomorrow, but I'm going to announce it tomorrow.
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And she's guessing moon landing, Manson murders, Epstein, MLK, JFK, Obama's birth certificate.
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Thanks for your incredible journalism during the interview.
00:58:37.100
Xavier said Mimi had a falling out with the fam.
00:58:41.340
I feel though shady that she may have the info that we need.
00:58:51.400
I remember reading about it vaguely, but it involves like Nicholas Sarkozy.
00:58:56.600
It's insane what she was doing to get blackmail just right up her alley.
00:59:02.500
If you actually just look up Nimi Marchand, you can follow that case.
00:59:06.020
I don't have an update for you right off the top of my head, but she is in it.
00:59:11.020
And yes, of course, they would have necessarily had to have distanced themselves as they are
00:59:14.500
still pretending that everyone around them is a criminal.
00:59:17.220
It's just not them, which is pointedly ridiculous.
00:59:23.160
The gene pool is so mixed and confused in both the Trogno and Macron families that they
00:59:36.220
All I saw in the comments was your name over and over.
00:59:42.800
He is in a PR crisis trying to smile his way through it.
00:59:49.880
And in my opinion, Emmanuel Macron needs to step down from office because you have lied
00:59:56.920
You are a monster and not a monster of your own doing.
01:00:01.340
And a part of me feels bad for you, but you are you are are damaged goods.
01:00:05.660
And what you have done is unforgivable as a leader of a country.
01:00:14.480
And it's just ridiculous to pretend that he has any power.
01:00:17.420
You know, whatever shadow is behind you, fly it over so they can have a conversation with
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You are the Manchurian candidate and you have absolutely no power.
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And that's why I didn't fear you when you sent a letter because you are an absolute nobody
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And what terrifies me is that people described you, your own people described you as almost
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psychopathic during COVID, like you were enjoying harming people.
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And I wonder how much your childhood being groomed by the person that you are married
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Lastly, Eddie writes, I found an interview of Brigitte talking and it sounds exactly like
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the mystery trans person in your previous video.
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I am blessed that Xavier brought this to me and I am blessed that I have the courage to
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look at something and be, you know, maimed and caricatured and called crazy by the media.
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And it actually only commits me further to that cause because I know what the media is.
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I genuinely feel honored that this audience has grown, that you guys trust me to bring
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you stories that might sound crazy in the beginning.
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Trust me, tomorrow's is going to sound crazy in the beginning.
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And at our core, what all of these stories have in common is that you will recognize the
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It is an evil entity that is not protecting the people.
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It is protecting the globalist power structure.
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And so thank you guys for trusting me with that.
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