Candace Owens - Becoming Brigitte： The Epilogue

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00:00:15.800 All right, you guys, the internet is on fire.

00:00:18.220 Today, we jump back into our conclusive episode on the Becoming Brigitte series

00:00:23.360 because I know there are so many lingering questions.

00:00:25.480 Is Brigitte Macron the first lady of France, Emmanuel Macron's biological father?

00:00:32.400 We're hearing that a lot.

00:00:33.360 Where is the real Brigitte Trogneau?

00:00:35.880 Like I said, a lot of people have theories,

00:00:38.200 and I think today we can allow ourselves to roam and wonder these sorts of questions.

00:00:42.380 I see that there are TikTokers that are getting their accounts hit 1.00

00:00:45.180 and banned for discussing the matter.

00:00:47.320 So welcome back to Becoming Brigitte.

00:00:55.480 I think it's safe to say that my interview with journalist Xavier Poussard

00:01:07.720 completely melted the internet.

00:01:09.560 It definitely melted our website at CandiceOwens.com.

00:01:13.680 There were many people who had not previously engaged in the series entirely,

00:01:16.860 but they saw the now infamous side-by-side of the photo of a young Jean-Michel

00:01:23.720 when he was 18 years old, taken at an engineering school next to the current French first lady,

00:01:31.200 Brigitte Macron, and they were just kind of jolted into the understanding that something was very wrong.

00:01:37.360 Like, yes, you can be an almost identical twin with your brother who you're supposed to have

00:01:42.960 like, you know, seven years, seven or eight years apart from, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

00:01:48.340 The photographic evidence became instantly, I think, undeniable for a lot of people.

00:01:52.820 And so now we have just a lot of people that are going backwards and diving in from the very beginning,

00:01:57.320 as they should.

00:01:58.300 I am recommending do not start at that interview and then jump into this episode.

00:02:02.000 We have covered so much.

00:02:04.020 One can only come to understand how such a potential identity swap could be feasible

00:02:10.080 if you begin to map out the supporting cast of characters.

00:02:14.060 That's why we took our time here, because you have to understand who is around these people.

00:02:18.680 What is their network?

00:02:19.600 How much power would it take if you did want to create identities or destroy identities?

00:02:25.820 And we've arrived there.

00:02:27.100 We have finally arrived there.

00:02:28.300 So first and foremost, just bringing this back up, let's take again a look at Emmanuel's family tree.

00:02:33.880 And of course, we have learned, and I'm going to reinforce here, that he is not, at least

00:02:41.660 doesn't appear that he was close to who are supposed to be his biological parents or his

00:02:47.140 biological siblings, at least by any stretch of an understanding of his own autobiography,

00:02:52.500 right?

00:02:53.040 Didn't write about them.

00:02:54.220 Just a couple of sentences.

00:02:55.400 But he had so much to say about Brigitte's family and really only a lot to say in terms

00:03:01.380 of his biological family about his grandmother.

00:03:05.740 And I think most of us suspect, and I can say I most certainly do, that that mom and dad,

00:03:12.660 they're not actually his mom and dad.

00:03:14.840 That's how I just feel about the circumstance in terms of him describing, well, it was my grandmother

00:03:20.500 that first taught me how to ride a bike.

00:03:22.100 And I also find it to be suspicious.

00:03:23.800 Again, this is our last episode, so we can start to theorize a bit.

00:03:28.160 I feel incredibly suspicious about the fact that they're both doctors, that they were

00:03:32.760 doctors, that dad's a pediatrician.

00:03:35.280 And your mom, who we thought or didn't understand why she was involved with the Social Security

00:03:42.940 Office, actually was involved in helping transgendered people secure new identities.

00:03:49.720 That doesn't make us feel good about that nebula that is around them.

00:03:54.080 Then, of course, like I said, the curious case of his grandmother, who he affectionately

00:04:00.260 calls Manette.

00:04:01.520 We know that there are virtually no photos of her available.

00:04:05.580 The person who essentially raised Emmanuel Macron, again, according to his own autobiography,

00:04:10.720 we are given just two photographs of.

00:04:13.440 Why?

00:04:15.340 Do we even actually know if that was her name?

00:04:18.440 She was allegedly also a teacher.

00:04:20.120 Why is it so hard to get photographs that demonstrate his childhood?

00:04:24.460 Was her name even actually Jermaine Aribet Nogue?

00:04:27.740 Did she have another name that she may be potentially used? 0.53

00:04:31.180 I'm taking you guys through my own process here.

00:04:33.820 Why are we just getting these two photos?

00:04:36.880 Like I said, while in the past we have stuck strictly to the facts, today we are going to

00:04:42.160 permit ourselves a little more wiggle room.

00:04:45.040 I hold the suspicion that many of the people have come to, I think, the same exact understanding

00:04:51.520 that it could be plausible that all of these people have multiple identities.

00:04:55.020 If you've got somebody in the family that can destroy identities and create identities,

00:04:59.380 why wouldn't you use that to your advantage?

00:05:01.080 And I also think it's important to think about the time frame.

00:05:06.260 It was a different world.

00:05:07.940 You know, thinking about relatives that were growing up during World War I or World War II,

00:05:12.680 we are talking about humans moving over national lines, nations changing, literally geographical

00:05:20.800 changes that were happening depending on who won wars or who lost wars, right?

00:05:26.840 You had people who were hiding their true identities.

00:05:30.260 Sometimes out of a necessity, out of fear of persecution, right?

00:05:34.180 You have to completely get IDs, change your identity and hide in different countries.

00:05:39.200 Well, we know for a fact that within this particular story, despite what we are being sold as the

00:05:45.080 public, at least one side of the family changed their names or had one member who changed their

00:05:51.220 names.

00:05:51.460 And it's kind of strange that the public was sold this story about the Trogno's without somebody just

00:05:58.240 adding that actually we made up this guy's name.

00:06:01.460 Let's get into that Trogno family, right? 1.00

00:06:03.400 The Brigitte Trogno's.

00:06:05.020 Brigitte Trogno, where did that family come from before they settled in Amiens and became sort of like

00:06:10.260 a mafia?

00:06:11.040 Because that's what it looks like to me.

00:06:11.840 It looks like the Trogno family operates like a mafia to this day.

00:06:16.880 They're supposed to be a family of chocolatiers. 1.00

00:06:19.700 They have this supposed to be the sweet origin story.

00:06:23.720 And this is actually the most recent publication discussing their family story that I could

00:06:29.480 find in the local newspaper in Amiens.

00:06:31.880 This was published in 1990.

00:06:35.040 I think it was 1991.

00:06:36.040 It might be 1993.

00:06:37.320 And this was to announce the birth of another Trogno family member. 0.73

00:06:41.100 And it's showing you the lineage of the fathers of the chocolatiers, right?

00:06:47.020 So at first, you have an 1852 Jean Baptiste.

00:06:50.660 He was leading the shop.

00:06:51.860 Then you have Jean. 0.98

00:06:52.900 Then you have Jean. 0.98

00:06:53.740 Then you have Jean-Claude.

00:06:54.700 Then you have Jean Alexander. 0.64

00:06:55.960 And I'm showing you this because I want you to understand all of the men in the Trogno family

00:07:02.040 have the same first name, Jean Trogno.

00:07:06.280 That is significant.

00:07:07.740 It is significant also because it complicates matters, okay?

00:07:11.160 So if they say Jean Trogno is alive and well, you're not really getting anything there,

00:07:16.880 right?

00:07:17.520 Is it cousin, brother, uncle, nephew?

00:07:20.320 Every male in the Trogno family has the name Jean Trogno.

00:07:23.940 And most of them, by the way, to be clear, have more than one middle name, okay?

00:07:29.580 So first and foremost, just going back to that publication, if we can get that back up,

00:07:33.900 that first original Trogno, Jean Baptiste, yeah, that was a lie.

00:07:38.200 His name wasn't actually Jean Baptiste.

00:07:40.480 The original Jean that settled in Amiens and opened this chocolatier shop, his real name

00:07:46.540 was actually Marc Etienne Xavier Trogno.

00:07:50.860 So that's just a part of the legacy that they just like made up.

00:07:53.840 And I'm not sure what the reason or the purpose of that lie is.

00:07:57.540 Again, we know for a fact his name was Marc Etienne.

00:07:59.980 Jean, we were able to secure the birth certificate.

00:08:03.260 This is not disputed amongst genealogists.

00:08:05.480 So it's just the question of why even start with a small lie about your family's legacy?

00:08:11.460 Is it because you wanted to show lineage?

00:08:15.080 Or was a conscious decision made for one reason or another that's unbeknownst to the public

00:08:19.680 to tell that lie?

00:08:21.260 Is it really about just making things more confusing?

00:08:23.320 Did you make a decision that we're going to call everybody in the family Jean?

00:08:26.640 For what reason would that be?

00:08:28.060 Why would you make that decision?

00:08:29.220 Even, by the way, to be clear, the women in the family also have male middle names.

00:08:37.100 So we're going to bring up that family photo.

00:08:38.780 Again, the now infamous family photo.

00:08:41.440 We are told, by the way, that that's Brigitte in her mother's lap.

00:08:45.260 It looks nothing like Brigitte.

00:08:47.180 But we're just going to go with that.

00:08:49.120 This photo, again, to remind you, was introduced to the public by Mimi Marchand, who we do not

00:08:54.760 trust to save our lives.

00:08:56.440 But you can see Brigitte's middle name, her full name is actually Brigitte Marie Claude

00:09:03.820 Trogneau.

00:09:05.360 Okay?

00:09:06.140 Brigitte Marie Claude Trogneau.

00:09:08.180 Which is interesting, by the way, to be clear, because her dad, as you can see, doesn't have

00:09:12.360 Claude in his name.

00:09:13.860 So she's taking on Claude Trogneau for what reason?

00:09:16.440 Her dad is John George Trogneau.

00:09:18.680 He does have a son, as you can see right above there in this photo, a son who has Marie in

00:09:25.360 his name as well.

00:09:26.200 His name is John Claude Marie Joseph Trogneau.

00:09:30.440 That's a lot of names.

00:09:31.620 You don't typically see this in families outside of the aristocracy, right?

00:09:36.040 Outside of the aristocracy, where you'll see 20 names going back to show their lineage.

00:09:41.400 Jean-Claude Marie Joseph Brigitte Claude Trogneau.

00:09:46.440 And then, of course, we have our guy, Jean-Michel Henry Trogneau, to the far left.

00:09:53.020 And then, just to add more confusion, the people in the family seem to marry people that have

00:10:01.360 the same names as their siblings.

00:10:03.380 Okay?

00:10:03.620 So this is not too relevant for you to remember.

00:10:06.140 You can keep that photo up, because I just want to keep going through it.

00:10:08.680 Um, but Monique Trogneau, there on the right, she married someone with the same first name

00:10:15.100 as her brother.

00:10:15.760 So she married someone named Jean-Claude.

00:10:18.660 Okay?

00:10:19.080 Bit confusing.

00:10:19.960 And then Jean-Claude, the brother up top there, married someone with the same name as his sister,

00:10:27.720 Brigitte.

00:10:28.300 He married someone named Brigitte Poisson.

00:10:31.260 So she then became Brigitte Trogneau.

00:10:34.400 It's just very convenient and very confusing.

00:10:37.700 And this is why you can just sort of go down this rabbit hole.

00:10:41.780 And it makes you wonder, as I have wondered, is this confusion intentional?

00:10:47.020 Because if you have all these names and everyone's kind of got the same name, my brain just goes,

00:10:51.880 it would make it very easy for you to move throughout the family and share identifications,

00:10:57.940 right?

00:10:58.200 To go in and say, I just want an ID that says Claude Joseph.

00:11:01.520 Oh, no, no.

00:11:01.820 That is my name.

00:11:02.480 I have a lot of names, but I'm actually Claude Joseph.

00:11:04.840 And so maybe now I'm going as Claude Joseph.

00:11:08.200 Again, I'm speculating here.

00:11:10.480 But to be clear, this image in general is not one that I'm comfortable with because, as I mentioned,

00:11:16.580 we do not trust Best Image because we do not trust Mimi Marchand.

00:11:20.160 And the first time that this image was ever presented to the public, it was given to the

00:11:25.220 public, to the documentary filmmaker who said that she felt like she was interviewing with

00:11:30.800 the police when she was trying.

00:11:33.440 Her name was Virginie Lindhart.

00:11:35.120 Remember her?

00:11:35.880 She did this documentary, Brigitte Macron, a French novel.

00:11:39.540 And she said she had never been questioned like that.

00:11:42.820 She was only allowed to speak to certain people, given very few photos.

00:11:46.540 And those photos all had to go through Mimi Marchand's best image.

00:11:50.580 So she's handing out these images and her history, Mimi Marchand's, of being accused of

00:11:56.380 forgery and extortion.

00:11:58.260 I'm starting to wonder what exactly Best Image specializes in, that they had the exclusive

00:12:03.200 on any photos from Brigitte's past and only produced a few.

00:12:06.480 Do they specialize in Photoshop?

00:12:09.420 Because there's one thing that some people on the internet have caught on, a couple of

00:12:12.720 things really that jump out to me as odd about this photo.

00:12:16.560 First and foremost, that girl on the far right, Monique Trogneau, okay?

00:12:22.060 Look at her hands. 0.87

00:12:24.820 That looks weird.

00:12:27.220 What's going on there?

00:12:28.560 It looks like a lot of fingers, maybe potentially too many fingers.

00:12:32.860 Looks like six fingers, three of them of which are nubs.

00:12:35.860 I mean, maybe she was throwing gang signs. 1.00

00:12:39.980 Maybe she's in a gang. 0.99

00:12:41.560 I don't know.

00:12:42.060 But that looks very weird to me.

00:12:44.000 And the one thing that I do know about Photoshop is that people say it is incredibly hard to

00:12:49.540 Photoshop hands.

00:12:50.500 That's usually where people get caught photoshopping when you see all these scandals.

00:12:54.520 We knew Kim Kardashian photoshopped it because of her hands.

00:12:57.700 She's missing a hand. 0.95

00:12:58.660 She's missing a finger. 1.00

00:13:00.180 I don't know why that is.

00:13:01.220 Again, I don't work in that space, but it is incredibly hard to Photoshop hands and fingers.

00:13:07.520 And then there's Monique's face in general.

00:13:10.180 As soon as I saw it, after going through so much of Brigitte's history, I realized, and

00:13:16.460 we can pull that photo up again, that Monique just looked familiar to me.

00:13:20.200 I felt like I had seen that face before.

00:13:22.740 I'm being told this is an older sister.

00:13:25.620 But to be honest, she looks a lot like this photo.

00:13:30.420 Okay?

00:13:31.340 I was like, this looks like this photo looks very, very similar.

00:13:35.080 These are supposed to be two different people.

00:13:37.100 It looks like, I don't know, how could this be two different people?

00:13:41.760 And if you're wondering what that photo is on the left, that's a photo of Brigitte.

00:13:45.420 And apparently they dug up France 3, came across an old photo from 1989 of Brigitte, Brigitte

00:13:56.240 Ozier.

00:13:57.640 So this is Brigitte after marriage, Brigitte in the teacher phase.

00:14:01.980 And I just find that that face is just so familiar.

00:14:04.880 But hey, siblings are familiar, right?

00:14:09.400 Not a big deal.

00:14:10.380 You can look exactly like your sister.

00:14:12.460 And so I just said to myself, okay, well, let me just see some current pictures of Monique.

00:14:17.580 Maybe they still look like dead ringers for one another.

00:14:21.300 And they're both alive today.

00:14:22.740 So this shouldn't be hard to find photos of Monique. 0.78

00:14:26.060 And actually, it was really hard to find photos of Monique.

00:14:29.600 Despite marrying a billionaire from Amiens, now a billionaire automobile family, Monique

00:14:36.880 Trogneau marries this guy, again, not important for you to remember, named Jean-Claude Guidet,

00:14:43.060 who owns like the largest automobile billionaire company in France.

00:14:50.140 She just never took photos throughout her life besides that one.

00:14:53.280 Can't find a wedding photo, nothing.

00:14:55.340 And Xavier Poussard had warned me because I was texting him going, how is this possible?

00:14:58.840 I mean, come on.

00:14:59.880 How do you marry a billionaire? 0.99

00:15:02.080 Marry someone who comes to a billionaire?

00:15:02.900 And there's just no photos of you.

00:15:05.060 And there's like one photo of her husband.

00:15:06.920 I'm like, this can't be a thing.

00:15:08.080 I understand privacy, but this is not a thing.

00:15:10.800 And Xavier warned me, don't start down the rabbit holes because nothing makes sense.

00:15:15.620 As soon as you start looking at the story, you realize nothing makes sense.

00:15:17.880 And that's exactly what they want, essentially to drive you crazy, to confirm what should be

00:15:22.980 very basic things.

00:15:25.000 And for whatever reason, it's virtually impossible to do so.

00:15:28.580 Despite the big names of these families, despite their proximity to power,

00:15:32.020 it is virtually impossible to confirm anything.

00:15:36.600 So I just went ahead and I left it alone.

00:15:39.200 But there's one thing that I find that makes entirely no sense, and it's very strange.

00:15:44.240 And I would very much like to invite the public to jump in on this incredible mystery.

00:15:49.240 Okay.

00:15:49.480 So many of you had suspected that these families might all be related.

00:15:53.980 Are the Oziers, the Trogno's, and the Macron's all just from the same family?

00:16:00.500 Is there a chance that Brigitte Macron, some of you asked, is actually the father of Emmanuel Macron?

00:16:06.500 Now, to be clear, I had never made that statement because I wanted to keep this series factual

00:16:11.960 and to pull away from my gut and to be like Xavier and to only go with the documents and the things

00:16:17.900 that we could confirm.

00:16:19.520 But there is obviously a lot going on here, a lot of evidence which suggests and points to the conclusion

00:16:25.460 that the secret seems to be bigger than just having a transgendered wife, right?

00:16:30.900 I mean, think back to the moments that we went over here of President Emmanuel Macron looking

00:16:36.160 to his wife, Brigitte, for answers, basic answers about the biological, biographical background

00:16:43.840 of his family.

00:16:45.380 Remember that scene we told you about when he was speaking to a politician and the politician

00:16:49.720 was like, yo, your sister lives near here.

00:16:52.260 Where does she live? 0.97

00:16:53.280 And Emmanuel freezes up and looks to Brigitte.

00:16:57.120 Why don't you know where your sister lives, Emmanuel?

00:17:00.900 What's going on here?

00:17:02.900 Why does it feel like there is this relationship where maybe you and Brigitte, Brigitte's, you're,

00:17:09.860 I don't know, more than a wife for sure, to be sure.

00:17:15.220 Why does it feel like Brigitte is sort of holding your hand?

00:17:19.140 Why does it feel like you've always had your hand held by people that are more powerful than

00:17:23.020 you?

00:17:23.280 We definitely know and have confirmed, like we did in the last episode, that he had his hand

00:17:27.580 held through his career by David the Rothschild, a family that is known and is on record as

00:17:36.420 having practiced incest.

00:17:39.100 Okay.

00:17:39.260 Why and how did Emmanuel Macron get so close to the Rothschilds, so close that his colleague 0.95

00:17:46.700 said this dude didn't even know what EBITDA meant and yet he became the youngest managing

00:17:51.520 partner?

00:17:52.000 We understood that whatever it was, David Rothschild was holding his hand.

00:17:56.920 You just couldn't question the power that he was being given and we would laugh at him

00:17:59.880 in meetings because he knew nothing about finance.

00:18:01.420 Why did David Rothschild see to it that Emmanuel had his hand held?

00:18:08.040 Vice is nice, but incest is best because it stays in the family. 0.99

00:18:13.000 That is a direct quote from David de Rothschild's cousin, Natalie Reams Rothschild.

00:18:19.400 And in case you don't believe me, here was a clip of her saying that, by the way.

00:18:23.500 Take a listen.

00:18:24.020 And like we did very often in these families, vice is nice, but incest is best because it

00:18:32.120 stays in the family.

00:18:34.540 She said it in English.

00:18:36.320 She switched right over from French and said, this is what we say in our family.

00:18:41.460 Vice is nice, but incest is best. 0.99

00:18:44.100 Then there was a biography which was written by author Natalie Livingston, which was entitled

00:18:49.120 The Women of Rothschild, which sort of revealed the maniacal desire that the Rothschild family

00:18:55.240 had to maintain their fortune and their power in the world, a desire that was so maniacal

00:19:00.140 that they practiced family incest.

00:19:02.340 That is just undeniable.

00:19:04.080 It is a fact, okay?

00:19:05.600 And allegedly, they did this only until it was no longer socially acceptable, right up until

00:19:10.960 the late 19th century, you guys, right before we get into this Trogno family, which is just 0.73

00:19:17.060 amazing.

00:19:17.780 Then they said, no more, no more.

00:19:19.740 And what's interesting in this book is that Natalie Livingston documents that the reason

00:19:23.640 for this is the original Rothschild, Mayor Amschel Rothschild's will.

00:19:30.760 She says, quote, it goes back to that will.

00:19:34.040 In it, Mayor Amschel Rothschild said that nothing was more important than the family, and that

00:19:40.020 meant at any cost.

00:19:41.180 It was about preserving the unity of the bank and the integrity of the name.

00:19:45.920 There's no question endogamy can't have been great.

00:19:49.920 For example, there's an enormous amount of mental health issues that ran in the family.

00:19:54.460 I can't believe there's not a correlation between endogamous matches and the issues of

00:20:00.460 mental health.

00:20:01.380 She then even discusses how that mentality within the family was so strong that they believe

00:20:07.820 that any woman who stepped outside of the family in terms of who she married was cursed.

00:20:14.200 Like, you are cursed because you did not marry your cousin, brother, uncle, whatever it is.

00:20:18.340 So, of course, your brain wanders and you begin to think naturally in this story, why did David

00:20:25.280 the Rothschild pluck up Macron?

00:20:27.580 A guy who his colleagues said did not even know what EBITDA was, and yet David Rothschild

00:20:34.520 moved to make him the youngest managing partner in the bank's history, okay?

00:20:39.740 A bank's goal is to make profit.

00:20:41.620 If you are a Rothschild, you care about making profit.

00:20:43.540 Of course, if you care, especially in a maniacal sense, about making sure that your power is

00:20:50.240 not lost in the world, the last thing you're going to do is pluck up some obscure guy who

00:20:54.140 knows nothing and pull him through the ranks.

00:20:57.940 You would only step outside of that obvious goal of wanting the bank to make money if there

00:21:04.260 was something more important to money, and that would be power, right?

00:21:08.120 And you would only do that if nepotism was going on, in my view.

00:21:13.540 You're like, I'm pulling you through the ranks because you are related to me, and what matters

00:21:18.480 more to me is that this bank and whatever it is that you do maintains within the family.

00:21:24.800 You give someone a job not because they're qualified in that sense, but because they are

00:21:28.640 your family member, right?

00:21:30.920 How and why did David the Rothschild get so close to the Macron family of doctors and the

00:21:38.400 Chagno family of chocolatiers, right?

00:21:41.340 How?

00:21:43.480 What I can tell you, and again, we are now being purely speculative, is that my instinct,

00:21:49.560 my personal instinct has always been that if you were going to inbreed, a father-son

00:21:54.740 relationship might actually be too close.

00:21:56.600 I always felt that if it took place, we would be looking for an uncle.

00:22:01.880 I feel like that's just like a standard story.

00:22:03.280 Like an uncle molesting a child feels like that's what my brain instantly does, what my brain

00:22:09.760 instantly searches for, and it turns out, you guys, you are not going to believe me, but

00:22:14.460 this pattern of similar names in every family and the family members also extends to the

00:22:20.620 Macron family.

00:22:21.860 Remember, there are no photos known to date of Emmanuel Macron with his parents growing

00:22:27.920 up.

00:22:28.700 That is insane, okay?

00:22:30.440 We do know that his father, the person that they tell us is his father, his name is, of

00:22:36.240 course, Jean-Michel Macron.

00:22:38.300 But there's another Jean-Michel that we haven't mentioned yet, and he's perhaps the most important

00:22:44.400 one.

00:22:45.720 Uncle Jean-Michel Nogue.

00:22:49.120 Now, let's add him to the Emmanuel family tree so you guys can get a visual here, okay?

00:22:54.300 So his dad is Jean-Michel.

00:22:56.640 His mom is Francois Nogue.

00:22:59.380 Well, Francois Nogue has a brother and had a brother.

00:23:03.440 As you can see, he died in 2006, and his name was Jean-Michel Nogue.

00:23:09.220 Okay, that was of interest to me.

00:23:11.320 Again, I'm going down the rabbit hole.

00:23:13.100 I just want to identify who is who, okay?

00:23:16.320 He is the brother of Dr. Francis Nogue, the one who helps transgendered individuals get

00:23:21.620 new IDs.

00:23:22.460 Okay, amazing.

00:23:23.700 And also, she said, as we pointed out, that to her, Brigitte is not a daughter-in-law, huh?

00:23:31.780 What is she to you? 0.98

00:23:33.740 Okay, let's just keep going down this rabbit hole.

00:23:36.740 Well, the funny thing is that Emmanuel Macron did not follow the normal course of Catholicism,

00:23:43.560 okay?

00:23:43.780 He was not baptized as a child.

00:23:48.020 In fact, his parents are not religious.

00:23:51.360 He chose himself to be baptized at the age of 12 while he was at the La Prabhadaw school.

00:24:00.440 So two years before he met the love of his life, Brigitte, he decided to make a decision,

00:24:04.780 which is, I mean, that's amazing, right?

00:24:06.820 To say, I want to be baptized.

00:24:09.200 And that's a weird thing, I think.

00:24:13.120 It's a remarkable thing.

00:24:14.300 Well, not a weird thing.

00:24:14.960 A remarkable thing for a 12-year-old to do without parental guidance.

00:24:18.760 But what's interesting in that what we haven't mentioned before is that he chose his uncle,

00:24:24.800 Jean-Michel, to be his godfather when he got baptized, okay?

00:24:30.180 So baptisms are not supposed to be just like an act of vanity.

00:24:33.360 I know today they've become them.

00:24:34.480 I'm just going to pick a godfather or godmother, and actually I have no faith in God, no faith in religion.

00:24:40.540 I just think it would be cool or whatever.

00:24:42.540 That's kind of the moderate interpretation.

00:24:44.300 Now, this has significant spiritual meaning.

00:24:46.100 This person is supposed to be selected to be the person to guide you spiritually throughout the rest of your life.

00:24:54.160 If something were to happen to you, this is a person that your parents would entrust.

00:24:58.980 If something were to happen to your parents, pardon, this is supposed to be an individual that your parents would entrust to guide you spiritually for the rest of your life.

00:25:09.840 Emmanuel Macron picked Jean-Michel Nogue, his uncle, okay?

00:25:14.940 I'm going to read this directly from Xavier Poussard's book.

00:25:19.980 He wrote, quote,

00:25:20.660 A character in particular caught our attention, Emmanuel Macron's maternal uncle, Jean-Michel Nogue.

00:25:28.440 He was important.

00:25:30.000 Emmanuel Macron chose him as his godfather when he decided to be baptized.

00:25:34.320 The role of the godmother obviously fell to Manette.

00:25:37.300 Born on December 15th, 25th, pardon, 1940 in Nieve and died on October 6, 2006 in Amiens, Jean-Michel Nogue was not some general practitioner.

00:25:52.620 He was a prominent member of the Board of the Faculty of Medicine of Amiens, as indicated by his obituary published by his colleagues in Le Courier-Picard.

00:26:04.160 Remember, that's the newspaper in Amiens.

00:26:06.340 He was also the chairman of Domus Medica, a non-trading real estate company, bringing together numerous of local healthcare professional organizations.

00:26:16.140 Then he gets into, these are just friends for the council department, blah, blah, blah.

00:26:22.020 So this was an important man.

00:26:23.620 He's a huge figure.

00:26:24.340 So I thought, surely this man, Uncle Jean-Michel, must be photographed somewhere.

00:26:30.560 Maybe a photo of him and Emmanuel at the baptism day.

00:26:33.420 Maybe at La Providence.

00:26:35.420 I don't know.

00:26:35.800 Maybe on Emmanuel Macron's wedding day to Brigitte, surely we can find a photo of this guy within medical circles, okay?

00:26:44.500 And you're not going to believe this, guys.

00:26:46.380 And of course you're going to believe it.

00:26:47.280 First and foremost, he died in 2006, the year before Emmanuel Macron got married to the love of his whole entire life, Brigitte.

00:26:54.000 And regarding photos, of course, of course, Xavier Poussard attempted to secure them.

00:27:01.080 He specifically went to the archives of the Faculty of Medicine where Jean-Michel, Uncle Jean-Michel, worked in Amiens and built up such a remarkable reputation for himself.

00:27:14.520 And guess what?

00:27:16.280 For whatever reason, he refused the request.

00:27:20.680 So we don't have any photos of him.

00:27:22.540 He died in 2006.

00:27:24.700 And we don't have any photos from him from when he was alive and was clearly very active in Emmanuel's life.

00:27:30.080 And I don't know why Emmanuel didn't dedicate an entire chapter to him, his uncle, who he was so close to spiritually, his leader.

00:27:37.840 You know, that's not something you just forget, right?

00:27:40.300 The person who you believe is going to spiritually guide you throughout the rest of your life.

00:27:46.060 You know, you're attending a Catholic school.

00:27:48.060 You would know the significance of such a meaning.

00:27:50.320 Why did you pick him?

00:27:53.140 This means nothing.

00:27:54.460 It could mean nothing, guys.

00:27:55.480 It could mean everything, okay?

00:27:57.320 It just, again, more than anything, demonstrates the unbelievably, unnecessarily secretive nature that surrounds this family.

00:28:08.180 People exist on paper.

00:28:09.380 They don't exist in photos.

00:28:10.640 And then they disappear, right?

00:28:12.480 You have to imagine, by the way, that Uncle Jean-Michel would have been living in Amiens at the same time that Jean-Michel Trogneau would have been living in Amiens throughout his marriage with the woman that he married.

00:28:28.980 I'm totally blanking on her name.

00:28:30.420 Who did Jean-Michel Trogneau marry?

00:28:31.520 Veronique.

00:28:32.260 Veronique Drew.

00:28:33.740 Yeah, they were all just in this little close community.

00:28:36.500 Honestly, you'd have to imagine that, right?

00:28:39.780 At the same time.

00:28:40.920 But who knows?

00:28:41.520 They both just kind of disappear into thin air.

00:28:45.700 Anyways, this is just what happens when you look into things.

00:28:50.120 They debunk nothing, by the way.

00:28:51.860 If you ask, hey, could you just clarify that?

00:28:53.800 Can we get a photo here?

00:28:54.720 They instead wait for everyone who's investigating this to make a mistake, and then they sue people.

00:29:01.300 Make a mistake while you're asking meaningful questions, and you are going to get sued if you live in France.

00:29:06.880 Worse, you could be in prison.

00:29:08.040 People have been imprisoned for looking into the story, arrested for looking into the story.

00:29:12.960 Xavier is correct.

00:29:14.460 It is meant to drive everyone crazy, jumping through a thousand rabbit holes.

00:29:19.380 And speaking of rabbit holes, we should now discuss more thoroughly the little chubster, the little fat one, as Xavier calls him, recently presented by the media as proof that Jean-Michel exists.

00:29:33.120 So, listen, I want to be very clear.

00:29:35.980 I have no doubt in my mind that a Jean-Michel exists in Amiens.

00:29:41.800 It seems like that's just everyone's name.

00:29:44.460 It's everybody Jean-Michel.

00:29:46.380 So, do not color me shocked when they say, we have found a Jean-Michel.

00:29:50.740 I've already found about six of them.

00:29:52.620 Now, you're probably thinking, Candice, yeah, there's just too many Jean-Michels in every side of this family.

00:29:57.220 I'm not quite sure what to trust.

00:29:58.960 Well, we at least have to try to understand who this little chubby guy is and if he is indeed the same Jean-Michel that is pictured in the initial Trogno family photo.

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00:32:19.200 All right, now let's jump back into this.

00:32:21.840 Let's try to identify the little fat one, the little chubster, okay? 1.00

00:32:27.100 Now, it's important that I keep reminding you that the public is being gaslit in a manner that would make even Sigmund Freud blush.

00:32:35.960 He was the father of gaslighting, okay?

00:32:37.960 Gaslit little kids.

00:32:39.260 We'll get into that another day.

00:32:40.460 It is so easy to simply present photos of the current first lady throughout the 80s or photos of her with her brother, Jean-Michel, at any point throughout her entire life, okay?

00:32:58.140 It's so easy.

00:32:59.280 Don't let the media gaslight you and pretend this is crazy.

00:33:02.020 It is the exact opposite.

00:33:04.240 They are being crazy by not just putting all of this to rest.

00:33:07.940 Even if her very active and photographed teaching years, even if she found some throughout her very active and photographed teaching years of her and Jean-Michel together, I'd be like, okay, cool.

00:33:19.740 There is only one massive family reunion photo that I could find since that family photo that was taken in the 1950s in Amiens.

00:33:31.860 And this photo was actually published in 1991 in a German magazine, and I'm going to show it to you.

00:33:39.340 Now, you can see on the right there, we have got Brigitte, now Brigitte Osier, and missing from this photo is Jean-Michel.

00:33:51.900 There's no Jean-Michel in this photo, and it was allegedly them all getting together to celebrate the 50th wedding anniversary of the father, Jean-Georges Trogneau, and his wife, Simone.

00:34:05.540 So why would you not have all of the siblings there that are alive?

00:34:09.580 Doesn't that seem like quite the event to miss?

00:34:12.960 We should very easily be able to say that the siblings are all here because you don't just miss your parents' 50th in 1991.

00:34:22.920 We know that Jean-Michel has never died on paper, okay?

00:34:27.880 He's never died on paper.

00:34:29.200 He is still alive, according to Brigitte Macron, but what he does, what he has been doing, what his career is, nobody knows.

00:34:39.620 Nobody knows.

00:34:40.800 We are told in one book by one journalist who found it to be very suspicious when she went out to investigate this circumstance, Emmanuel Anizan,

00:34:50.020 that she was told in Amiens that he just plays cards with his friends.

00:34:55.380 I guess he's just a private guy who never left Amiens.

00:34:58.660 That's what we're supposed to believe.

00:34:59.360 He never left Amiens after his divorce from Veronique Drew.

00:35:03.120 Now he's just kind of like retired and playing cards in a cafe with his friends.

00:35:07.480 Okay, nobody really knows what he's been up to.

00:35:10.680 So with questions that were then reaching a fever pitch amongst the French public when they realized that, for whatever reason,

00:35:17.380 this brother had been sort of left out of Brigitte's story, and now they're being told that, well, him and Brigitte were so close that at his wedding,

00:35:24.460 she signed, at his very private wedding to Veronique Drew, she signed on as the witness,

00:35:30.500 and also at her wedding, he was the best man.

00:35:35.940 People are going, what's going on here?

00:35:37.080 Where is this person?

00:35:38.120 Suddenly, the media had to start making up some answers, and the answer that they provided was,

00:35:43.260 oh, a little chubby guy, as I discussed with Xavier Poussard.

00:35:47.900 We are told that this guy is the extraordinarily private Jean-Michel, all grown up.

00:35:54.780 Now I can tell you right off the bat, in case you're wondering,

00:35:57.060 the World Economic Forum Chinese Software Program says,

00:36:00.340 no, that is not the Jean-Michel that we are looking for of a little boy in the photo.

00:36:05.300 I can show you this match right here.

00:36:07.700 The confidence is 54%.

00:36:10.100 Now, Xavier does say that when it comes to glasses, just to be super clear with you guys,

00:36:15.660 that the technology doesn't want you to use two people that are wearing glasses,

00:36:20.360 or glasses in general, they do caution, can sometimes shade the face in a different way.

00:36:24.660 But you can see here, when we're showing you this, we're talking 52% confidence on the little chubby

00:36:31.000 one next to him.

00:36:33.240 Anyways, it would be easier, rather than having to use technology, if the Elize Palace just came

00:36:37.940 right out and said, yes, this is actually Jean-Michel Trogneau, the one you've been looking

00:36:42.280 for, the same one pictured in that 1953 family photo from Amiens.

00:36:46.760 It's such an easy thing to say.

00:36:48.980 That's not their thing.

00:36:50.160 Clarity is not their thing.

00:36:51.460 Ease is not their thing.

00:36:52.680 Hush, hush, be quiet, threat, sue, is their thing. 0.98

00:36:56.860 So instead, just to be clear, in the initial letter that they sent me, the 100-page letter

00:37:04.040 of an opportunity, really, to say to me, do not publish your series.

00:37:09.620 I am telling you that this Jean-Michel that you're looking for, that little boy on the left,

00:37:14.460 is alive and well.

00:37:16.380 And they could have just provided me photos of his missing years.

00:37:19.800 They decided to squander away that opportunity by instead sending me screenshots of the little

00:37:26.360 chupster at the inauguration of Emmanuel Macron.

00:37:30.380 This is what they sent me.

00:37:32.300 This is the exact language.

00:37:33.920 What's more, Jean-Michel has recently appeared in public.

00:37:38.220 He attended President Macron's inauguration in 2017 and 2022.

00:37:46.580 During your June 12, 2024 appearance on Piers Morgan Uncentered, you bet Piers Morgan $100,000

00:37:53.660 that he could not find a photo of Jean-Michel Trogneau, implying that this would disprove your

00:37:58.920 false claims.

00:38:00.120 Below are publicly available images of Jean-Michel Trogneau from videos of President Macron's 2017

00:38:07.460 and 2022 inauguration.

00:38:10.980 You will see that not only is Jean-Michel present, but also in the same frame as Brigitte

00:38:16.820 Macron.

00:38:18.020 The conclusive evidence that you have been seeking to debunk your claims.

00:38:21.380 Okay, so this is amazing.

00:38:22.720 Keep that up for a second, okay?

00:38:24.800 It's amazing for a lot of reasons.

00:38:26.200 It's amazing that the Élysée Palace, rather than giving us a document, a passport, which

00:38:33.740 things blacked out, but maybe just his name, a driver's license, anything that would be

00:38:39.260 a form of ID, photos of them together growing up, because this is our problem, is sending

00:38:44.520 me screenshots of an inauguration with a guy in the background.

00:38:49.740 Aha, it's debunked.

00:38:51.140 Jean-Michel exists.

00:38:52.160 Like I said, 27 of them exists.

00:38:54.440 I have no doubt that a Jean-Michel Trogneau exists somewhere in Amiens.

00:38:58.760 In fact, there's probably 20 of them. 0.95

00:39:00.760 But of course, they mistook me for a fool, okay? 0.94

00:39:03.200 I've already been made wise to their game, so to speak.

00:39:06.960 Names, and it's all about how you phrase the questions.

00:39:11.220 It means nothing to tell me that a Jean-Michel exists, but it would mean everything if they

00:39:16.260 simply spelled out an answer to a basic question about who they are claiming is Jean-Michel.

00:39:22.580 So we went back to them with an exact question, so as to their—so there could have been no

00:39:28.340 remaining confusion.

00:39:29.340 We were clear.

00:39:30.520 We will publish the truth.

00:39:31.540 Here is the wording that we wrote in our letter back.

00:39:33.680 Because the McCrones dispute the substance of Candace's reporting and opinions, we would 1.00

00:39:38.420 like to provide them with the opportunity to present their stories and to clear up any

00:39:43.060 rumors in the press.

00:39:44.920 As such, we offer any date and time during the months of January, February, and March of

00:39:52.020 2025 for an interview between Candace and your clients.

00:39:55.680 Candace, her producer, and a videographer will fly to Europe and arrange for a translator

00:40:00.600 and studio in which the McCrones can answer questions.

00:40:04.240 As you know, the first remedy for a defamation plaintiff is mitigation by using available

00:40:09.760 opportunities to contradict the lie or correct the error, and thereby to minimize its adverse

00:40:15.620 impact on reputation.

00:40:17.320 We are providing such an opportunity.

00:40:19.840 To facilitate this interview, we offer the following questions in advance.

00:40:24.800 So we gave them this opportunity weeks before we began this series to answer a specific

00:40:30.280 question about Jean-Michel at the inauguration.

00:40:33.600 And here is the question we asked.

00:40:35.020 I draw your attention to number three.

00:40:38.280 Is the man you showed at President Macron's inaugurations in 2017 and 2022 the same individual

00:40:48.740 pictured on the far left in the Trogno family photograph from Amiens?

00:40:54.760 Yeah, I'm awake to your game, okay?

00:40:57.500 Don't tell me names.

00:40:58.480 Tell me, is this the same person?

00:41:00.440 And of course, you guys, we never heard back.

00:41:03.260 They had the energy and the frustration to write the letter and say it's a lie, and we

00:41:08.320 gave them a runway of two weeks to say, just give us a yes or no to this, and I promise

00:41:13.100 you, okay, hand to God on my children's lives.

00:41:16.120 If they had answered and said, yes, this is him, I would be reporting that information today

00:41:20.480 because I'm not interested in jumping down this rabbit hole for the purpose of spinning

00:41:24.720 a conspiracy theory, okay?

00:41:25.800 There is something very wrong with this family, and perhaps the biggest thing that is wrong

00:41:30.640 with this family is their refusal to answer basic questions while pretending that they're

00:41:35.100 being victimized by the questions at the exact same time.

00:41:38.620 It is bad faith acting.

00:41:41.140 Plain and simple, bad faith acting.

00:41:43.500 So with no response from them at all, suddenly them going mum on answering these very basic

00:41:51.380 yes or no questions, we decided to instead turn to try to identify the guy with the inauguration

00:41:56.740 footage.

00:41:57.140 What is this screenshot?

00:41:58.880 They gave us in their notations a YouTube link, hours of footage from the inauguration,

00:42:05.060 and we decided to scrub through it.

00:42:06.840 Okay, Eliezee Palace legal team, we will raise to the challenge and look through this.

00:42:13.060 Maybe there is this familial vibe we can pick up on.

00:42:17.280 First thing that I should note is that in both of these inaugurations, the Jean Michel is not

00:42:23.920 standing with the family for Macron's speeches, okay?

00:42:28.060 Not at either inauguration.

00:42:29.520 In the 2017 inauguration, here's a still, he is standing with a bunch of priests, okay?

00:42:36.860 And when you watch the footage, the family is all walking together as they go down the

00:42:42.980 line and say hi to people.

00:42:44.620 And Laurent, that would be Brigitte's quote unquote daughter, speaks to him very briefly.

00:42:52.580 They're all saying hi.

00:42:53.400 It's like you got to kind of walk through and say hi.

00:42:54.960 The family is walking down and he's greeted, two kisses on the cheek by Emmanuel Macron,

00:43:01.740 but he's not standing with his family.

00:43:05.020 Maybe he showed up late, right?

00:43:07.000 Maybe he just showed up too late, got ushered in, okay, fine.

00:43:10.640 But that can't happen twice, right?

00:43:13.000 Something that's also interesting is that Jean-Claude, his alleged big brother, who he wasn't

00:43:18.260 with, standing with or anything, was also present on this inauguration day.

00:43:22.160 And yet Jean-Claude at the luncheon, which followed this speech, was seated at a table

00:43:28.820 with his siblings.

00:43:30.160 He was seated.

00:43:30.680 Jean-Claude was seated with Brigitte.

00:43:32.980 Here is a photo of that luncheon, okay?

00:43:35.920 Not Jean-Michel, not the person they allege is Jean-Michel.

00:43:38.440 For whatever reason, he was not seated with his siblings.

00:43:41.500 Now that's in French, the bottom, it says, this was published, by the way, in 2023.

00:43:47.220 Interestingly enough, in Paris Match, and they were speaking about the Trogno family.

00:43:52.440 And they declined to mention that Jean-Michel, as they're telling us now, was at this inauguration,

00:43:58.240 not sitting down at this table with his relatives, not sitting down with his brother, not sitting

00:44:04.180 down with Brigitte.

00:44:05.120 And what it says down there is at the table of Brigitte, her brother, Jean-Claude, and loved

00:44:12.560 ones.

00:44:13.900 Okay.

00:44:14.780 Interesting.

00:44:15.580 Maybe he needed some fresh air.

00:44:17.840 Who knows?

00:44:18.420 Maybe he didn't want to sit there.

00:44:19.540 Or maybe they've got a strange relationship.

00:44:21.800 But let me tell you, it's going to get even stranger at the 2022 inauguration.

00:44:25.300 Because scrubbing through the footage, I once again recognize that Jean-Michel is not standing

00:44:30.000 anywhere near the family for the speech.

00:44:33.200 Was he late again?

00:44:34.080 I don't know, my friends.

00:44:35.440 I'm going to show you this.

00:44:36.520 Because even more awkward is the fact that when Emmanuel finishes his speech and does the

00:44:42.060 walk, he goes over to the family section.

00:44:45.440 Here he is.

00:44:46.420 And he makes a concerted effort to kiss and hug everyone alongside Brigitte.

00:44:53.280 You'll see Brigitte just a pace behind him, intentionally pausing to kiss and hug all the family members.

00:44:59.660 You can see them.

00:45:00.260 And they start leaning in.

00:45:01.160 They come out.

00:45:01.780 Look at me.

00:45:02.680 Love you.

00:45:03.600 Oh, let's take our time here.

00:45:05.800 Tafan looking so proud.

00:45:07.200 Now he's not walking with anyone but Brigitte.

00:45:10.400 I'm not exactly sure who that guy is.

00:45:13.840 But what we're seeing here are nephews, cousins.

00:45:16.660 We're able to confirm who all of these people are.

00:45:19.160 This is clearly the family section.

00:45:21.640 And once again, I want to be clear.

00:45:23.500 It's both sides of the family that are standing in this section.

00:45:26.180 It's not just the Macrones.

00:45:28.340 It is also, obviously, Brigitte's family.

00:45:31.160 And you're going to see that.

00:45:32.300 I'm just going to let this play because it's important for you to recognize the differences here.

00:45:36.280 This, by the way, in case you want to look this up yourself, is at the 43-minute mark of the inauguration.

00:45:41.860 He starts going through his family.

00:45:43.720 Now you're seeing Laurent, another child of Brigitte, okay, kissing her kids.

00:45:49.960 And now behind, you have who is supposed to be his mother, biological mother, Dr. Frances Nogue, who spends her time helping transgendered individuals get new IDs.

00:46:00.600 This is the family section, okay?

00:46:02.460 There is no question.

00:46:03.980 The person they allege is Jean-Michel, for whatever reason, once again, does not want to stand with his family, okay?

00:46:12.280 You fast forward.

00:46:13.420 So that, again, is the 43-minute mark.

00:46:15.380 Then you have to fast forward all the way up to the 51-minute mark to see him finally approaching Jean-Michel.

00:46:21.160 And a couple of things I'm going to point out to you.

00:46:22.700 Now, this is the screenshot where the legal team had the audacity to say, in the same frame, he's in the same photo as his sister, Brigitte.

00:46:32.320 What they left out was that Brigitte completely ignores him.

00:46:36.840 I mean, completely does not say a word to the individual that is supposed to be her brother.

00:46:41.660 Let's watch this together and watch how awkward Emmanuel Macron is with this individual.

00:46:52.600 So you are seeing this, if you're on audio.

00:46:55.900 That's her brother.

00:46:56.780 That's supposed to be Jean-Michel, okay?

00:46:59.320 They won't answer that for sure, but that's supposed to be who they're trying to make us believe is her brother.

00:47:04.980 Nothing said.

00:47:06.180 Emmanuel, Brigitte just completely, oh, there's the frame where they're trying to like, oh, she's right there with her brother.

00:47:11.680 Says not a word, okay?

00:47:13.120 You can go back and watch this.

00:47:14.240 I did not make this up.

00:47:15.080 Look, just walks right by.

00:47:16.080 Who would do this to their brother on inauguration day?

00:47:19.060 Emmanuel Macron now.

00:47:20.140 I feel like if I was in the presence of my brother-in-law, I'd like feel like I must go up to him first, right?

00:47:26.940 I better go up to him first.

00:47:27.980 And then Emmanuel's like, oh, okay, I have to say something.

00:47:30.360 A little friendly.

00:47:31.660 Goodbye.

00:47:32.580 And that's it.

00:47:33.720 Okay, now let's pause that frame.

00:47:35.840 Who's he standing with?

00:47:36.620 Let's back up a little bit if you can, Mark.

00:47:39.360 See that guy in the background?

00:47:40.420 You want to know who he's standing with?

00:47:42.240 David Rothschild.

00:47:44.480 Jean-Michel was standing with David Rothschild.

00:47:47.380 Well, I'm just, I'm truly amazed by this.

00:47:50.580 Because Jean-Michel didn't have a career in baking, in banking.

00:47:54.400 Jean-Michel may have had a career in baking, but not banking, right?

00:47:57.440 He's supposed to be from the family of chocolatiers.

00:47:59.220 He's never left Amiens.

00:48:00.540 We can't find any evidence of him having left Amiens.

00:48:03.680 So what's he doing?

00:48:05.000 What's his relation to David Rothschild?

00:48:07.260 Why is he standing there?

00:48:08.880 And please, just make sense of it.

00:48:10.640 Again, I'm just a regular old person.

00:48:13.720 I got nothing but street smarts.

00:48:15.020 But I got to tell you, my entire family is all the way down there.

00:48:20.120 And I've decided not to sit with them, not to stand with them, but to be by myself with

00:48:26.160 security and David Rothschild.

00:48:30.000 Ladies and gentlemen, what the hell is going on?

00:48:34.500 What's going on?

00:48:35.460 Do you feel convinced that's a family member?

00:48:36.960 Nope.

00:48:37.420 Brigitte, once again, doesn't want Jean-Michel at her table.

00:48:40.600 They were so close when she got married to Andre Lewis.

00:48:45.100 They were so, please, I need you to be the best man.

00:48:49.400 So close when he got married to Veronique Drew.

00:48:51.940 It must have been a massive family falling out that makes it so that even when he's at

00:48:56.460 the inauguration, he doesn't want, he doesn't stand with the family.

00:49:00.040 Like, it just must have been an absolute disaster of a family falling out.

00:49:05.540 And again, what do the Rothschilds have to do with Amiens?

00:49:08.740 None.

00:49:09.900 I just find this to be an incredible theme here.

00:49:14.780 So what does this all mean?

00:49:17.020 What does this all mean?

00:49:18.220 Well, what it means is that, unfortunately, guys, I can't answer these questions for you

00:49:23.660 and neither at this moment can Xavier Poussard.

00:49:27.520 But what it means is that for the first time, rather than the entire world being told by the

00:49:32.060 mainstream media, being gaslit by the mainstream media to believe that there was nothing here

00:49:36.480 and Candace was having postpartum psychosis by looking into the story, now millions and

00:49:42.500 millions of people worldwide are going to look into the story.

00:49:45.220 Millions have watched this series.

00:49:47.940 Millions are emailing.

00:49:49.920 Millions are investigating.

00:49:51.600 And someone somewhere knows something.

00:49:54.560 Someone somewhere saw something.

00:49:57.160 Someone somewhere may be able to find a photo of Jean-Michel Nogue in the archives of the medical

00:50:03.680 centers that he worked at throughout his illustrious career.

00:50:08.340 Someone somewhere maybe recognizes which Jean-Michel that is.

00:50:13.900 Okay.

00:50:14.540 Someone somewhere perhaps knows the answer to the mystery of what happened to Brigitte Trogneau.

00:50:24.420 Where is Brigitte Trogneau? 0.99

00:50:27.160 Was Brigitte Trogneau given a different name?

00:50:29.980 Did Brigitte Trogneau die young after having children? 0.98

00:50:34.260 I don't know the answers to these questions.

00:50:36.600 It's taken us, taken Xavier Poussard, pardon, and people like Natasha Ray, almost a decade

00:50:43.440 of their lives to get us to this point.

00:50:46.000 Many of them giving up their freedoms.

00:50:47.760 Natasha Ray has been in and out with a cancer diagnosis, being tortured by the Trogneau 1.00

00:50:54.940 mafia, as I would describe it, because they act like a mafia when you start prying into

00:51:01.620 this.

00:51:02.480 We will legally abuse you if you start asking these questions, because that's what we'd

00:51:06.220 rather do than answer anything.

00:51:08.600 They have given up a decade of their lives to researching this, and now we have the ability

00:51:14.300 to crack this wide open.

00:51:16.020 And so if you have information about this family, maybe you're somebody sitting in Algeria

00:51:21.620 and you're going, yeah, no, I remember him.

00:51:23.680 Yeah, what goes on in Algeria at this time?

00:51:27.880 Maybe you went to school with Jean-Michel Trogneau.

00:51:30.840 Maybe you are in the French military and you see something strange about access to his files,

00:51:36.600 because there is a file.

00:51:38.040 There is a military file that is being locked down as it pertains to Jean-Michel Trogneau.

00:51:44.440 Again, something that is supposed to be made available to the public that they won't make

00:51:47.540 available.

00:51:48.300 And they just want to gaslight us about that.

00:51:50.340 He's just so private.

00:51:51.420 So private, but he does go to the inauguration.

00:51:52.940 But so private, he doesn't want to stand with the family or be involved with them.

00:51:55.820 He'd rather stand with David DeRothschild.

00:52:00.640 Help me out, guys.

00:52:02.060 You have information.

00:52:03.320 Please send it to info at CandiceOwens.com.

00:52:08.100 It is my instinct.

00:52:09.800 Yes, I agree with those of you that are commenting right now that we are looking potentially at

00:52:16.880 incest. 0.68

00:52:17.500 That is what in my gut feels it has to be a secret so big that it would make them react

00:52:24.620 in this way because it is a type of violence to treat journalists like this.

00:52:29.360 It is a kind of emotional violence to do these sorts of things.

00:52:32.900 And they do it as though they know that advice is nice, but incest is best and things should

00:52:40.160 be kept within the family.

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00:54:31.680 It's a whole nother rabbit hole to jump down for parents to understand what is happening

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00:55:21.320 All right, guys, getting into some of your questions that are coming in right now, which

00:55:25.620 I hope that I'm equipped to answer.

00:55:27.480 This person just got my Becoming Brigitte book in today.

00:55:30.900 I can't wait to dive in.

00:55:32.360 Thank you and your team for all of the great work that you guys do.

00:55:35.220 Honestly, guys, this series, Podcast Forum, is one fraction of the work that Xavier Poussard

00:55:40.420 has done and has put into his book.

00:55:42.960 Way more pedo criminals that I could have brought up and just thought, okay, we want to keep

00:55:47.660 this series moving.

00:55:48.720 You've got to do that deep dive.

00:55:50.040 I mean, even today, me telling you about The Uncle, we hadn't even gotten to that point.

00:55:53.020 And, yeah, to see the success of this book, people that are already asking for rights to

00:55:58.900 it in different languages.

00:56:00.120 I'm getting emails on behalf of Xavier that are coming in.

00:56:03.440 I'm just so happy for him because, like I said, his family, what a sacrifice.

00:56:07.140 You just don't see journalists like that anymore who are willing to give up and fundamentally

00:56:11.840 alter their lives to tell a truth and to stand up against true power, true systemic power and

00:56:18.380 abuse.

00:56:20.140 Nadia is giving us tons of vomit emojis just speaking about the topic of incest. 1.00

00:56:26.580 We are right there with you.

00:56:28.080 And it is unbelievable to hear someone just say that on stage and admit that freely.

00:56:33.320 Ali says, Candice, the media poisoned my mind against you for so long.

00:56:36.980 I am truly sorry, but I am here now and staying because you are one of the most elegant and

00:56:40.360 inspirational people I've ever heard.

00:56:42.080 Thank you for always speaking truth.

00:56:44.000 Totally forgiven.

00:56:44.640 I know so many people have heard lies about me last year when I began looking into the

00:56:49.120 story.

00:56:49.640 It seems to be one of the points where everything turned around and they just started trying

00:56:54.040 to tell people that I was literally Adolf Hitler.

00:56:56.740 Like that is the storyline.

00:56:58.360 A couple of weeks ago, right before we started this story, they then came out and tried to

00:57:01.960 convince the public that I was inspiring school shootings.

00:57:04.660 I mean, it has been insane, insane to see what the media will do to someone when they inch

00:57:09.640 closer to a truth.

00:57:10.600 And I think all of us wake up at a different moment and begin to question our relationship with

00:57:14.480 the media.

00:57:15.400 Mine's happened a little earlier than yours, Ali, but I had that moment too.

00:57:19.580 I believed everything that I read because it almost, you would be crazy to think that

00:57:24.400 the media is actually protecting evil and attacking good.

00:57:29.380 But that is the circumstance that we find ourselves in today.

00:57:32.640 We recognize that.

00:57:33.560 And it's a beautiful thing to wake up to it actually and to have the humility to admit

00:57:37.040 that you are wrong.

00:57:37.860 Not a lot of people have the humility.

00:57:39.060 They just go, I've said this for years, so I have to just keep saying a thing.

00:57:42.100 So welcome.

00:57:42.580 I'm happy to have you here.

00:57:44.320 Waves just writes, you're amazing.

00:57:45.740 Thank you guys for these compliments.

00:57:46.880 I need them today.

00:57:47.980 I was so tired today.

00:57:49.480 You have these days when you're pregnant where you're just like, I just can't do it.

00:57:53.200 And I was having that kind of a morning and now I feel great and amazing.

00:57:57.640 Mikkel writes, Friday guesses, fake moon landing, Manson murders, F scene, MLK.

00:58:02.640 Okay.

00:58:03.200 So I have announced that tomorrow I will be announcing my next series and it's a big one.

00:58:07.800 We're not going to start it tomorrow, but I'm going to announce it tomorrow.

00:58:10.520 So you're not going to want to miss Friday's episode.

00:58:12.960 And she's guessing moon landing, Manson murders, Epstein, MLK, JFK, Obama's birth certificate.

00:58:22.120 Love you so much.

00:58:23.740 I love all of those guesses.

00:58:25.320 You will have to wait and see.

00:58:27.360 Allison just wrote that.

00:58:29.180 Allison actually just donated to the show. 0.99

00:58:30.620 So just thank you for that, Allison.

00:58:31.780 We see that coming through.

00:58:32.740 Keely writes, hi, Candace.

00:58:34.340 Thanks for your incredible journalism during the interview.

00:58:37.100 Xavier said Mimi had a falling out with the fam.

00:58:39.640 Has no one spoken to her since?

00:58:41.340 I feel though shady that she may have the info that we need.

00:58:44.600 She is currently going through trial.

00:58:47.280 She's being potentially going to be convicted. 1.00

00:58:49.760 It has a huge scandal.

00:58:51.400 I remember reading about it vaguely, but it involves like Nicholas Sarkozy.

00:58:56.600 It's insane what she was doing to get blackmail just right up her alley. 1.00

00:59:00.620 You know what I mean?

00:59:01.540 And so you can look into that.

00:59:02.500 If you actually just look up Nimi Marchand, you can follow that case.

00:59:06.020 I don't have an update for you right off the top of my head, but she is in it.

00:59:11.020 And yes, of course, they would have necessarily had to have distanced themselves as they are

00:59:14.500 still pretending that everyone around them is a criminal. 0.95

00:59:17.220 It's just not them, which is pointedly ridiculous. 0.94

00:59:21.240 Brian writes, wow, there it is.

00:59:23.160 The gene pool is so mixed and confused in both the Trogno and Macron families that they

00:59:27.780 are difficult to individually identify.

00:59:29.560 And yes, that is the point, I believe.

00:59:33.320 KH writes, Macron was live on TikTok earlier.

00:59:36.220 All I saw in the comments was your name over and over.

00:59:39.120 Fantastic.

00:59:39.860 That is fantastic.

00:59:41.020 I cannot wait to go find that.

00:59:42.800 He is in a PR crisis trying to smile his way through it.

00:59:47.460 It's not going to work.

00:59:48.440 This scandal is now officially too big.

00:59:49.880 And in my opinion, Emmanuel Macron needs to step down from office because you have lied

00:59:53.500 repeatedly to the French people.

00:59:55.720 You have harassed journalists. 1.00

00:59:56.920 You are a monster and not a monster of your own doing. 1.00

01:00:00.040 You were targeted when you were a child. 1.00

01:00:01.340 And a part of me feels bad for you, but you are you are are damaged goods.

01:00:05.660 And what you have done is unforgivable as a leader of a country.

01:00:09.080 What you are doing is unforgivable.

01:00:10.860 And no one takes you seriously anymore.

01:00:12.700 He's actually doing America soon.

01:00:14.480 And it's just ridiculous to pretend that he has any power.

01:00:17.420 You know, whatever shadow is behind you, fly it over so they can have a conversation with

01:00:21.260 President Trump.

01:00:21.920 We know that you were created.

01:00:23.680 You are not real.

01:00:24.520 You have no thoughts of your own.

01:00:26.200 You are the Manchurian candidate and you have absolutely no power. 1.00

01:00:32.180 And that's why I didn't fear you when you sent a letter because you are an absolute nobody

01:00:35.840 in my book.

01:00:36.540 And what I sense is your fear of being seen.

01:00:40.060 And what terrifies me is that people described you, your own people described you as almost

01:00:45.260 psychopathic during COVID, like you were enjoying harming people.

01:00:48.120 And I wonder how much your childhood being groomed by the person that you are married

01:00:53.960 to impacted that.

01:00:56.780 Lastly, Eddie writes, I found an interview of Brigitte talking and it sounds exactly like

01:01:01.660 the mystery trans person in your previous video.

01:01:04.320 You are batting 1000, Candace.

01:01:06.360 It is not me.

01:01:07.100 It is the French people.

01:01:08.040 I am blessed that Xavier brought this to me and I am blessed that I have the courage to

01:01:13.740 look at something and be, you know, maimed and caricatured and called crazy by the media.

01:01:17.600 And it actually only commits me further to that cause because I know what the media is.

01:01:22.420 And I feel grateful.

01:01:24.480 I genuinely feel honored that this audience has grown, that you guys trust me to bring

01:01:28.160 you stories that might sound crazy in the beginning.

01:01:31.000 Trust me, tomorrow's is going to sound crazy in the beginning.

01:01:33.380 But to trust me to then unfold it for you.

01:01:36.160 And at our core, what all of these stories have in common is that you will recognize the

01:01:42.720 media for what it is.

01:01:43.960 It is an evil entity that is not protecting the people.

01:01:47.580 It is the exact opposite.

01:01:49.020 It is protecting the globalist power structure.

01:01:53.180 And so thank you guys for trusting me with that.

01:01:55.560 Obviously, we will be here tomorrow.

01:01:57.640 Please head to CandaceOwens.com and support our independence.

01:02:01.360 And we'll see you then.

01:02:06.160 We'll see you then.

Candace Owens - February 20, 2025

Becoming Brigitte： The Epilogue

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