In this episode, we continue the story of the Rimbaud-Verlaine Union, the transgendered union between Brigitte Macron and her husband, Jean-Michel Le Gravelle, and their marriage in the late 1970s and early 1980s.
00:00:00.000All right, ladies and gentlemen, so we knew that Emmanuel Macron and Brigitte were watching this series, but I am so pleased to report that so is their surrounding cast or their former surrounding cast.
00:00:10.600I guess last week we discussed Alexander Benalla. I introduced him to you, their former deputy chief of staff, who was caught impersonating a police officer and kind of beating the living heck out of protesters in the street.
00:00:23.640Well, guess what? Two days later, that young gentleman began following me on Instagram. I say the more, the merrier. So welcome back. Hello, Alexander Benalla. Welcome back to our series Becoming Brigitte.
00:00:35.480Honestly, I couldn't believe it when I saw it. It was like a priority note on my Instagram. It's like Alexander Benalla started following you.
00:00:58.440And I was like, whoa, obviously, whoa, what's the meaning of this? I'm not exactly sure what the purpose of the follow was, given the fact that my profile is public, so you don't have to follow me.
00:01:11.560You can just look at my profile privately. I take it that he wanted me to know that he was following me.
00:01:18.420But you guys know me. I never squander away an opportunity. So I basically hit him up in his DMs.
00:01:25.520I slid into Alexander Benalla's DMs. Here's what I said, OK? I said, I'm glad you're enjoying my series.
00:01:33.020Would you care to participate in it, to have your voice added? And look, it says, seen 12 hours ago.
00:01:39.460Alexander Benalla left me on red. So sad. Very sad.
00:01:44.840Anyways, I guess we'll just give him some time. Maybe he'll respond. Maybe he'll contribute.
00:01:48.700The point of that always is I want to make sure that I am representing people the correct way.
00:01:53.480We've asked Brigitte. We've asked Emmanuel. Nobody wants to give me any answers.
00:01:58.720So what we're going to do this episode is just start where we left off.
00:02:03.080We discussed Veronique, and that was extremely explosive, obviously, for a lot of people to learn that you had this individual who was obviously highly intellectual and talking about Chopin and speaking about poetry and Paul Verlaine and speaking about how they needed this platform.
00:02:22.420I'm talking about a show in 1977 to essentially advocate so that there were, well, transgendered rights.
00:02:31.860And I want to specifically speak about Veronique in terms of what was offered, something that we didn't hone in on last episode.
00:02:39.880There was a part of the correspondence which is going to become significant.
00:02:43.080So when the interviewer asked Veronique, do you live alone?
00:02:48.420Remember, Veronique responded and said, I'm not with anyone, but I've lived with a woman and conceived this union in the style of George Sand and Chopin.
00:03:02.780His style of melody, the way he plays, makes this quite clear.
00:03:06.140I think the image that has been given of the Rimbaud Verlaine Union is a distorted caricatured image that doesn't correspond at all.
00:03:15.300So this trans individual who speaks exactly like Brigitte Macron, according to A.I. Tech, they say this is the same person, although the voice has aged over time.
00:03:25.660They have those same tics in speech, that is to say, that is to say, but we learn in that little correspondence that that trans individual or identifying as a trans individual said or actually said, I've always viewed myself to be a woman, was using this name Veronique for the sake of the interview and confessed to living with a woman in the style of George Sand and Chopin.
00:03:52.860Whatever that means, we know this person has a partner of some description, a friend, a partner.
00:04:00.920But then we learned that Jean-Michel Trogneau, in another strange coincidence, shortly after this interview took place, happened to marry a woman named, yeah, you guessed it, Veronique, of course.
00:04:15.060Veronique Drew, we are now introducing to you, and Jean-Michel had their marriage take place on November 24th, 1980, in Blongy-Tronville, a city named Blongy-Tronville or a town named Blongy-Tronville.
00:04:30.780The union was only announced, by the way, after the fact, okay, so did not occur after the fact.
00:04:38.780The local newspaper, Le Courier-Picard, ran a little bit about it.
00:04:44.300And in that, since not all of us speak French, it specifies that the union between these two, between Monjeur and Madame Jean-Trogneau and Madame Jacques Drew, took place in the strictest privacy.
00:05:05.160I remember Tafon used that exact same language when she described the burial of her father, only we later learned that her father wasn't buried.
00:05:14.360He was cremated, but whatever, that's what Paris Match said.
00:05:21.360I don't know many people who get married and want to make sure it is in the strictest privacy, but that's what happened between these two individuals, Veronique and Jean-Michel Trogneau.
00:05:30.960And you'll never guess who was the witness to this wedding.
00:05:35.960So, man, these siblings are really close, which makes it even stranger that down the line, this person who's claiming to have been Brigitte Trogneau, who is living in the Élysée Palace as the First Lady, just tried to cut her brother, Jean-Michel Trogneau, out of her life until journalists sniffed it out that there was somebody that was missing.
00:05:57.560But yes, it is recorded that Brigitte Trogneau was the witness, the only witness that signed to this strictly confidential wedding, okay?
00:06:09.260Then what happens next is it's recorded that Jean-Michel Trogneau and Veronique Drew had a child, Jean-Jacques Trogneau.
00:06:17.320That is the child that we showed you that looks almost identical to Emmanuel Macron.
00:06:24.440It's really hard to convince me that these two people are not related, but they're not, guys, not according to the official legend.
00:07:22.520I guess you can class up in life, but it's just worth noting that she's living in a way that she hadn't lived before.
00:07:27.460So naturally, the journalist, Xavier Poussard, contacted her.
00:07:32.820That seemed like a good place to start.
00:07:34.000Like, if you're trying to determine whether or not Jean-Michel Trogneau transitioned and became Brigitte Macron,
00:07:39.820you have to be willing to accept some evidence that would point to the fact that you are wrong, that your thesis is wrong.
00:07:46.640And thus far, everybody's coming up dry.
00:07:49.280It's just they don't want to give you any answers.
00:07:51.000We're getting these manufactured pictures or pictures that can only come through Best Image, only come through Mimi Marchand, which are images that should not, of course, be trusted because Mimi Marchand has an extensive criminal history.
00:08:05.420She has been accused of many of forgery, many of extortion, and she's in a lot of trouble right now.
00:08:10.980So anyways, Xavier Poussard decided to contact Veronique Drew.
00:09:30.680Even though she repeats the wording often heard from the Trogneau entourage, example, those women are crazy, referring to Natasha Ray and Amandine Roy, she first pretends not to know what the call is about.
00:09:48.420It's ridiculous anyway, because I have two children with Jean-Michel.
00:09:52.540I saw on YouTube that they made a family tree where they even put that I might be Macron's mother.
00:09:59.900Veronique Drew is, of course, referring to questions raised by Internet users about the uncanny physical resemblance between Emmanuel Macron, the husband of Brigitte, and Jean-Jacques Trogneau, the son of Jean-Michel Trogneau.
00:10:12.740She goes on and says, listen, sir, I have been divorced from Jean-Michel Trogneau for many years.
00:10:19.180Listen, sir, I have remarried and my children are here.
00:10:21.640I don't want any problems, but I can tell you that Jean-Michel is not Brigitte.
00:10:34.240So I went back to live with my mom and that's all.
00:10:39.400But I can tell you that Jean-Michel is not Brigitte.
00:10:43.540Xavier says, I take her at her word and I ask her for photos of her shared past with Jean-Michel Trogneau, promising that if they are conclusive, to close the case without even publishing those photos.
00:10:59.820Veronique Drew says to him, Brigitte told me not to get involved.
00:11:04.480I don't want any trouble about my children or about it's not relevant to the family anymore.
00:11:11.360OK, so a couple of things that I want you to remember, just to point out right there about that little correspondence.
00:11:16.520She tells Xavier that the divorce between her, that after the divorce between her and Jean-Michel Trogneau, she went to live with her mother.
00:11:24.300OK, she also stresses emphatically that Brigitte is not Jean-Michel Trogneau, but also that Brigitte told her not to get involved.
00:11:32.800That's quite strange. Just off the bat, that's strange because you have two children with her brother and you mean to tell me that it wasn't just your ex-husband, Jean-Michel Trogneau?
00:11:41.920The person that you raised your children with who said anything to you, but rather his former, his sister, your former sister-in-law who told you not to get involved?
00:11:52.900OK, that seems a little strange. I would expect her to say Jean-Michel Trogneau told me not to get involved with this.
00:11:58.340You guys are all crazy. Go away. But OK, let's park by the side.
00:12:02.240You want to live with your mom post-divorce. And for whatever reason, for whatever reason, you're listening to what Brigitte Macron is telling you to do rather than your should-be ex-husband,
00:12:10.460who you've not mentioned in this conversation and who she does not mention in the capacity of her having a present relationship with, a current relationship with.
00:12:19.340OK, so jumping back into Xavier's conversation, back into first person, he says this in his book.
00:12:23.980As I, Xavier, argue that she should hold Brigitte Macron to account because it's because of her silence that her own photo, as well as the photo of her children,
00:12:35.720John Jack in particular, are circulating on social networks.
00:12:39.280She cuts me off and inexplicably blurts out, and also, I know Macron's father.
00:12:46.600Well, I don't know him very well, but he was a surgeon at the Amiens Hospital.
00:12:50.220But I didn't know Emmanuel Macron. We lived in Toulon. I didn't even know him.
00:12:55.960I saw him at my daughter's wedding, the first time I had ever seen him.
00:13:00.280Then I can hear another person on the line.
00:13:03.100Veronique Drew stops, visibly embarrassed, as if she's gone too far.
00:13:06.900She pulls herself together and asks me, well, and what is your name?
00:16:09.840He was also able to determine through documents that she had lied to him over the phone when she said that following the divorce, she went to live with her mother.
00:16:19.200He was able to find records that revealed to him that actually she went to live in an apartment in Amiens that was owned by Jean-Michel Trogneau's father.
00:16:29.960So the Trogneau family put her up in an apartment.
00:16:33.660And I don't know, I guess it's not totally strange that your father-in-law might do that.
00:16:38.260But what is strange is that you would lie about that years later when people start asking questions about your ex-husband.
00:16:47.320It's worth noting also that right around this time of their divorce.
00:16:51.880OK, so they're officially divorced in 1987.
00:16:54.240You can assume they separated sometime before that because to finally get your divorce stamped and done and sealed, it usually takes a little longer, maybe one year if you're going really quickly.
00:17:05.240But that's the time that Brigitte Macron, the Brigitte Macron that we know, OK, the public record Brigitte Macron, that's when she begins her very public and traceable career as a teacher.
00:17:19.960OK, she goes and enters in 1986 at the Lucy Berger School.
00:17:25.680Suddenly changes the career, total career change.
00:17:28.860And then this is all they want to show us.
00:17:31.280Oh, look, she was a teacher here and a teacher here and a teacher there.
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00:20:44.460We've been telling you what the media has said about him, and the media has definitely been spinning some tales about him,
00:20:50.180painting him as this Mozart virtuoso just ahead of his time trying to, I don't know, make everybody acquiesce to this story that is at best a story of statutory rape
00:21:02.500and could still be prosecuted, by the way, until the end of this year, which would be fascinating.
00:21:08.740But yeah, the press told everybody he was just this amazingly gifted writer who also loved to play Chopin for Brigitte on the piano.
00:21:39.860And they created this idea of him really just because they wanted the public to believe that he was this genius and that he therefore deserved to be suddenly in the mist as a politician,
00:21:53.420that he had had this background where he was kind of a boy genius.
00:21:57.700And like I said, that could not be further from the truth.
00:22:01.680The reality is Emmanuel Macron's real story is more of a fake it till you make it.
00:22:07.180Okay, if that's how you would say it, a fake it till you make it.
00:22:09.840As we have stressed before, not much is known about his childhood.