Candace Owens reveals how she got a legal clearance to speak to Harvey Weinstein in prison about her phone call with him and how she ended up with a chance to speak with him in prison. She also talks about the release of the Epstein files and the Tate-Baldoni case.
00:00:00.000All right, you guys, happy Thursday. There is so much going on in the world. It looks as though the first phase of the Epstein files have been released. And to be honest, it doesn't really look like much like a nothing burger. Also, remember Ari Emanuel, WME exec CEO, came out to defend Blake and Ryan against Justin Baldoni, Baldoni, whatever his name is.
00:00:19.800You know, Ari, the preschool rhyming tough guy in Hollywood, too cool to learn his clients' names. Well, now Freakonomous is saying they were the ones that hosted him when he said this, that the footage, the video footage of this has been lost. So we will never be able to see that interview. Yeah, right.
00:00:35.780But first, and before we also discuss the Tate brothers, they just landed on American soil and people are up in arms.
00:00:42.120I first wanted to tell you guys that I got the legal clearance to speak to you about my prison phone call with Harvey Weinstein and what brought me to do this series. And so I'm so excited. So let's jump right back in. Welcome back to Candace.
00:01:05.780Also, sorry, we're 30 minutes late. I've actually done four hours of media today. So I have said a lot of words. Okay, so where do we begin with this? My husband, obviously, you guys know, he is the entire brains behind the production and part of his job as my spouse is to keep me out of trouble.
00:01:24.680You know, make sure that I file my taxes against my better instincts and also to make sure that if I sign a contract, I remember that I signed a contract and I don't just blurt out everything to you guys as I do because I just feel like I'm talking on the phone and I sometimes say way too much.
00:01:40.080So last week I was telling you, I was really excited to announce the next series, but there were a couple of legal hurdles that my husband was dealing with.
00:01:46.720And I can now tell you that that legal hurdle was that when I had first begun speaking with Harvey Weinstein, we had signed this limited NDA that I had completely forgotten about.
00:01:57.460And we had to go through some effort to have that NDA, to have me released from that NDA so that I could speak about the topic without me being risked, you know, a risk of being sued.
00:02:07.120Again, all my husband's headaches, but I'm excited to tell you about that first phone call because you're probably all wondering how, how did Candace Owens end up speaking with Harvey Weinstein?
00:02:18.740As I said to you guys, we have had and still have really nothing in common.
00:02:25.140It is really stunning, truly stunning.
00:02:28.160And I think actually one of the more compelling things about he and I coming together on anything.
00:02:33.360So the story actually begins in November of 2022.
00:02:40.280And now that you know how I am in terms of organizing like a psychopath and looking at timelines and really deeply researching things so that the public can be invited to do the same.
00:02:51.180You can only imagine if I've had the runway since 2022 to do this.
00:02:55.620November of 2022 is when I was contacted by a third party to my shock and surprise.
00:03:03.000And they asked me if I would just take a look at the Harvey case and if I would maybe be interested in interviewing him.
00:03:11.380And to be clear, this is back when Harvey Weinstein was in Los Angeles because he was very soon going to be eventually convicted on a on rape charges.
00:03:23.380So we begin this conversation and I'm instantly like, yeah, of course, I would love the opportunity to interview Harvey Weinstein, obviously, for no other reason other than the fact that he is Harvey Weinstein.
00:03:34.940And it makes for a very compelling interview, a man that had so much power who got taken down by the Me Too movement.
00:03:41.880So we had a little bit of back and forth, me and this third party, and they said, OK, well, they want to wait until he's actually convicted that following month.
00:03:50.080He was to see if he's convicted rather that father following month in December.
00:03:54.700Harvey Weinstein was convicted in L.A.
00:03:59.200That's when we got into our back forth about this sort of limited NDA.
00:04:03.540And the next thing I knew, I was being patched in on a prison line to speak with Harvey Weinstein.
00:04:11.140And this is a day, this is a chapter in a future autobiography of my life that I will never forget because it was surreal in so many ways.
00:04:19.740It was just the opposite of what I was expecting.
00:04:22.860I guess to reflect upon it, what I was expecting was to speak with a defeated man.
00:04:29.280He is a person that is sitting in a prison cell.
00:04:32.920And the way that the third party person presented it to me was that essentially, and I assumed maybe partially, everybody in the mainstream media had lied about him.
00:04:44.500And now he was maybe getting desperate and wanted to speak with me.
00:04:50.440Like I said, my motivation behind taking the phone call was, I think Harvey Weinstein's guilty, but who cares?
00:04:56.560I just would really like the opportunity to interview him about his life and how this all happened and how somebody could be where he was in life and then fall.
00:05:05.660And I've already confessed to you, I thought Harvey Weinstein was guilty because there were 107 women, just to be clear, okay?
00:05:16.180107 women who came forth and made accusations from him.
00:05:26.120Whatever it was, there were just too many accusations.
00:05:29.000The media had completely flooded the zone in a way that made it impossible for me to believe that he could be anything but guilty.
00:05:36.000And like I said, I say this as someone who takes pride in always looking beneath, looking, reading in between the lines and looking beneath the layer of social media manipulation and of mainstream media manipulation.
00:07:33.860I'm suddenly realizing that this is not the conversation I thought that we were going to be having.
00:07:40.300I have no idea why I'm on this phone call.
00:07:42.380And then he says to me, why would I go with you?
00:07:45.980And he tells me that he's speaking with three other people who want to do this interview, who have much better experience and a way further reach than I have, all things that are objectively true.
00:07:57.620He then says, I've never even heard of this company you work for.
00:08:01.600He mispronounces the company that I was working for at the time.
00:08:04.480And I realized at that moment that I was being big-timed for Harvey Weinstein by Harvey Weinstein.
00:08:10.560And I just sort of sat up straight and recognized that Harvey Weinstein is still Harvey Weinstein.
00:08:58.080And I'm having to recalculate and recalibrate all of this very quickly as I'm on this phone.
00:09:02.520Then he named someone who is, as a fact, one of the biggest and most influential media people in the world.
00:09:10.960Someone that he is friends with, who he was in talks to do the interview with.
00:09:15.340Not exactly someone that I could compete with, so to speak.
00:09:18.560Like, I'm just Candace Owens and I'm nowhere near as big of these people.
00:09:23.340I have never been in the mainstream media.
00:09:25.200The mainstream media doesn't like Candace Owens.
00:09:27.000And it was obvious to me at that moment that he was essentially taking this phone call to entertain his third-party friend.
00:09:35.080And it kind of clicked and it dawned on me that that person was lobbying for him to do the interview with me.
00:09:40.900That person was a fan of Candace Owens.
00:09:43.640That person believes that if I took a look at this case, I would actually give it a fair shake on the basis of past investigations that I had done.
00:09:51.940And she was really saying to him, you should do it with her.
00:11:28.760Like I'm actually now just got to be Candace Owens.
00:11:30.960And I got to start talking to him like he's talking to me because I'm in a business meeting.
00:11:35.700I didn't expect to be in a business meeting with somebody that's been in prison, has been sitting in prison for a year, at least a year.
00:11:42.720And that there was a one moment where I knew that I had gotten him, you know, like I had sort of defeated him, so to speak.
00:11:50.940If we were just kind of going back forth, riffraffing like New Yorkers negotiating a business deal.
00:11:56.100There was the moment where it clicked for him.
00:11:57.880And I think the moment that I wrangled it away from the mainstream people that had wanted to do this sit down with him, he said, and obviously I'm paraphrasing here, but he said about that person who was going to interview him.
00:12:13.680You know, I've been friends with her for years.
00:12:15.880She knows that I didn't do these things.
00:12:18.620I said, you know what, Harvey, you've got a lot of powerful friends.
00:12:21.740I'll admit that you've got a lot of powerful friends in Hollywood.
00:12:26.520Have any of them used their platform to speak out?
00:12:30.220Has that individual used her platform to speak out and to say to the public that she thinks that you're innocent of the reasons that you've been convicted?
00:12:52.000And he said back to me, they all turned their backs on me.
00:12:56.100And I said, yeah, well, I'm not your friend.
00:12:59.220And we obviously have nothing in common in terms of our politics, the causes that we support.
00:13:06.900But I can guarantee you that if I look into something and I believe that there is something there, I will stand up against the entire world to say something that I believe to be true.
00:13:22.720And I'm excited that at the end of this series, you guys will be able to hear a conversation between me and Harvey Weinstein.
00:13:30.860It will, I think, just explode the world.
00:13:33.600I want to remind you guys now something about Harvey, just a little bit about the background of these cases, which we will begin getting into next week.
00:13:41.420Because, like I said, 107 women coming out and you probably have no idea why he is in prison.
00:13:47.440Harvey Weinstein was sentenced in 2020 to 23 years in total in New York alone.
00:13:55.88020 of those years were for criminal sexual assault in the first degree that was stemming from an accusation made from a production assistant who worked on Project Runway.
00:14:09.600I am telling you her name because she has come forward.
00:14:12.940So this is not, I'm not like, you know, unmasking a victim here.
00:14:16.540All of these people have come forward and spoken to the press and done media.
00:14:19.840The other three years that he received in New York were for criminal, was for criminal rape in the third degree of a woman named Jessica Mann.
00:14:29.700Again, just to be clear, I'm telling you the names of these individuals and we do not have to hide these names because they have already outed themselves proudly.
00:14:37.780Then in April of last year, so after four years spent in prison, the New York appellate courts reversed the decision of the lower courts and ordered a new trial.
00:14:47.740They claimed that the original trial had been prejudiced by witnesses who were able to give testimony with claims that were unrelated to the charges at hand.
00:15:00.040In other words, they had allowed emotion and storytelling to flood the courtroom where in most circumstances they would say, this is not relevant.
00:15:08.180You can't just like color the jury with flowery stories.
00:15:10.620This was a very big decision, which should not be ignored.
00:15:14.800And I will tell you, having looked into these cases, that was the right decision.
00:15:19.120I think, and I'm going out on a limb here, I think that as we start going through these cases, you are going to be like I was, jaw on the floor, shocked.
00:15:27.880And you will want to conduct your own research and you are going to wonder what the hell happens inside courtrooms.
00:15:37.420I want you guys to know his retrial begins on April 15th of this year.
00:15:42.020It's why I wanted to begin this series, because I want everyone paying attention to the trial.
00:15:46.300And I have no doubt that you will want to pay attention this time around once I give you some basic facts about just some strange context that the media chose to leave out about some strange things that happened in those courtrooms.
00:15:59.660OK, and the case in Los Angeles, for which he was found guilty in December of 2022, he was sentenced to an additional 16 years in prison for the forcible rape of Eugenia Chernyshova.
00:16:18.680And I know there are Reddit beads of people who never got the attention that they deserved for following these cases step by step, the Internet sleuths.
00:16:27.980And I have to tell you, as I fell down the rabbit hole and looked at what you wrote, it is the craziest case that I have ever I've ever read in my life.
00:16:36.280I mean, this is it puts everything to bed.
00:16:38.820The Eugenia Chernyshova one is it rendered me speechless.
00:16:43.260And to be clear, there were multiple women who brought a trial against Harvey Weinstein.
00:16:49.980We started with one hundred and seven.
00:16:52.800Now, Eugenia was the only person, despite four women who brought a case against him in Los in Los Angeles.
00:16:58.400She was the only one that was able to earn a conviction.
00:17:00.800And the details, like I said, are just going to shock you or was the only one that lends a conviction.
00:17:07.580What I can say is that I've never changed my stance on the Me Too movement.
00:17:13.760And this is perhaps why this third party individual sought me out at the very beginning.
00:17:19.740She knew that when everybody loved the Me Too movement, I instantly said this is going to be a threat to due process and that I have remained steady on this point, defending people who I really politically disagreed with.
00:17:35.080When I looked at the details of his case, it seemed pointedly ridiculous that they were claiming or trying to present him as a rapist in the media.
00:17:42.220I remained objective about things and know that even if you don't love a person or you think a person is immoral or wrong or cheating, as a lot of these men are definitively cheating.
00:17:52.460And they are definitively abusing their power and the dynamics of their relationships, whether it be with employees or actresses, that is entirely different than referring to someone as a rapist.
00:18:06.460And despite those thoughts about the Me Too movement, never in a million years did I think that biases would then arrive into the courtroom.
00:18:16.300I think I've always had faith in our court system.
00:18:23.400Now I'm beginning to wonder if our courtrooms have been politicized, if when a movement grows so big, whether it's Black Lives Matter or Me Too, somebody has to hang, if you know what I'm saying.
00:18:35.120And I'm really excited to bring forth this series because it allows us to go backwards.
00:18:40.140It allows us to go from it getting so crazy that somebody who is as perfectly innocent as I believe he is as Justin Baldoni is now suffering the consequences because we didn't do the right thing years ago by objectively analyzing things about people who are definitely not puppies.
00:18:59.140Puppies, like I said, people like Harvey Weinstein.
00:19:02.700So I am very much looking forward to presenting to you all beginning next week, our newest series, as we mentioned a couple of days ago, Harvey Speaks.
00:19:13.220And, yeah, I just I am really, really looking forward to showing you guys this.
00:19:19.220And you, like I said, are going to be positively shocked about the details of this case.
00:19:25.880It is in and of itself a Hollywood movie that is worth producing.
00:19:31.000And, yeah, I'm grateful that Harvey's team has sort of trusted me to just do what I do best.
00:19:37.220And I've said to him, look, I told him directly a million times, I think you're an immoral man.
00:19:41.520And I cannot, after seeing all this, see you as anything but an immoral man.
00:19:46.300Yes, you're obviously a brilliant businessman and you're still and you're a tough negotiator and you're a powerful person.
00:19:51.080But I will do this case justice and I have no doubt that you guys are going to be in for a journey.
00:20:00.140So you're going to need to get your journals out next week as we map out the Harvey Weinstein files.
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00:22:37.700Yeah, so every client is on his roster, and there's no one higher up than him, essentially.
00:22:43.380And he comes from a very powerful family, Rahm Emanuel being his brother, Zeke Emanuel being his other brother.
00:22:48.980They are just running it politically, socially, and you just don't get a bigger agent than Ari Emanuel, who right now is trying to take WME private, owns UFC, and the WWE.
00:23:27.200And so news had broken, I think it was two weeks ago, that he had joined the Freakonomics podcast, the Freakonomics radio, and they had done an event that was on stage.
00:23:38.460People attended this event, and it ran live on their radio where he had just insulted Justin Baloney and made him feel really small and obviously did not read the room.
00:23:47.540And by read the room, I mean read the general public response to people feeling like a bunch of A-list Hollywood bullies need to be shown that bullying is unacceptable, right?
00:23:58.540And so he didn't read that room, and he decided, I'm going to bully him a little bit more and also condemn people on social media and pretend that Ryan and Blake are good people.
00:24:07.660Even though you're reading your messages and forming your own opinions, I'm going to remind you that we are the media, we have the power, and you should stop doing that.
00:24:14.740He really just kind of went so far as to say, like, you know, social media has been great, but it's sometimes bad.
00:24:21.520Because we're able to get around, we're able to get around your PR agents, we're able to get around your pieces in The Hollywood Reporter and your pieces in TMZ and your pieces in The Cut, which we'll get to later, who just wrote an amazing hit piece on me and those of you that are watching my podcast.
00:24:39.580It did not make anybody feel more warmed to Blake and Ryan.
00:24:43.000And now it's interesting because the host of Freakonomics, Stephen Dubner, is now coming out and saying, actually, that episode is never going to air on our podcast.
00:24:53.160And they're entitling it The Show That Never Happened and saying that there were just tech issues with the venue during their live show, and they apparently just never recorded that episode.
00:26:42.140Yeah, I'm sure that is the truth and the whole truth and nothing but the whole truth.
00:26:50.600That sounds a little bit like Baldoni baloney to me.
00:26:53.460I don't know about the rest of you guys, but just so you know, it's never going to see the light of day.
00:26:58.240Most powerful guy in the room, but there were just some tech issues.
00:27:01.420And even though it ran on our radio and we have, we obviously have a transcript of it, it's all very fuzzy and you can't see it.
00:27:08.560Like I said, I think that they're trying to pivot and their media strategy is changing altogether.
00:27:12.500They're angry at us for being independent sleuths and mommy sleuths, which reminds me.
00:27:17.860So I was also telling you guys, the people that started the Me Too movement in general, like we kind of have the same batch of reporters that have been involved in this.
00:27:26.040Jody Cantor, Megan Tuohy at the New York Times and Dylan Farrow, who writes for The New Yorker or New York Magazine.
00:27:33.820I should check that. I'm not sure which one.
00:27:36.280I think it's The New Yorker, but let me check that.
00:27:40.620Yes, he writes for, I actually have no idea if you guys could look that up.
00:27:46.400The point being is that I suddenly got contacted by The Cut, which is owned by New York Magazine.
00:27:54.740Essentially, that's their their parent company.
00:27:56.780And it's a, you know, it's a big mainstream media publication.
00:27:59.700And the woman was essentially working on a hit piece on me saying that I'm trying to rebrand with the Justin Baldoni and Taylor Swift situation.
00:28:08.000And I'm going, have you never listened to my guy?
00:28:10.540I have been adamantly against the Me Too movement.
00:28:12.820Oh, is this the actual article that she wrote?
00:29:02.440And it's entitled by E.J. Dickinson or E.J. Dixon.
00:29:06.400Don't fall for Candace Owens's rebrand.
00:29:08.520And she's unable to present a single fact about how I've rebranded any of my positions whatsoever.
00:29:12.780She's just like, well, people are watching her now and her show is getting a lot of views.
00:29:17.660And I'm like, yeah, that's actually not me being rebranded.
00:29:20.280It's just people seeing you for who you are.
00:29:23.060People are starting to see the mainstream media for who they are.
00:29:25.040And so if they're looking at a circumstance and they're recognizing how they have been completely lied to by a publication they trust, like a publication I used to trust, the New York Times, who were willing to essentially destroy a man's career who did nothing wrong.
00:29:40.080It becomes, I don't know, understandable to them how it might be that you've done it to others.
00:30:06.040I'm not running from my past and I haven't pivoted on my perspectives.
00:30:09.440And so you sense this thing over and over again where the mainstream media is getting frustrated because we are the investigators now and we are the reporters.
00:30:16.580And I'm not telling you guys what to think.
00:30:18.180I'm giving you evidence of something that I have seen happening and operating for a very long time, a nasty movement that has taken down people who are not as innocent, like I said, as Justin Baldoni.
00:30:29.440But finally, I think both sides are waking up to it.
00:30:32.120And there is a frustration because they can no longer control the narrative.
00:30:35.580And when you read this article, Candace Owens has gone mainstream.
00:30:39.200The right wing's commentator's coverage of Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni case has reached millions of viewers.
00:30:44.180And she sort of even here's a huge tell in articles, guys.
00:30:50.320Whenever they put in parentheses just one word and the rest of the sentence was actually written by them, they're just taking me out of context.
00:30:57.920Like they're just fully taking any person out of context.
00:31:00.600It means actually if I presented the full sentence or the full paragraph of what this person said in its entire context, then I couldn't smear this person.
00:31:07.940And she does this all throughout the piece, like trying to paint me as an anti-semi, as a transphobe.
00:31:13.140She uses just one word, which is a word I actually said, but doesn't actually provide the full sentence of what I what I said.
00:31:19.160And it's just such a tired, tired approach.
00:31:23.020And it's just amazing to me that these people are so pompous and so arrogant and their views are down and their listeners aren't listening.
00:31:29.540And they can look at the podcast charts and see that independent media is picking up people like Theo Vaughn, who is neither on the left or the right, but somebody who regularly speaks about his addictions, who's now hosting people on the left and the right.
00:31:42.420And they can't figure out that people are tired of them.
00:31:46.180They're tired of being name called, whether you're on the left or you're on the right.
00:31:49.500You're tired of being called names for thinking critically about various topics.
00:31:55.160And so I just thought it was like really interesting to just see that the dripping resentment of her trying to paint me.
00:32:00.700And she's still going with like the literally Hitler racist transphobe who show me that person that exists.
00:32:06.120How can I just be all of these things?