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00:00:30.000 All right, you guys, I am so excited. I have been saying, probably seen this all over online, that I have been dying to host Anna Kasparian because I feel like at the exact same time, her and I had perhaps a broader awakening about this left-right paradigm that is not serving the left or the right and is only serving the elites.

00:00:48.940 It's how we are all feeling right now. And similarly, her and I are both under a very severe attack from Zionists who, I guess, want our families to be harmed. Anna Kasparian, welcome to The Candace Show. 0.80

00:01:02.440 Thank you for having me.

00:01:03.340 I'm thrilled to have you. It's just so funny because we hated each other so much.

00:01:09.060 So much. I mean, it is wild where we're at. But I'll tell you where I started to change my mind about you. It was a few years ago where, well, first of all, it started with your firing at The Daily Wire and what you were fired for, right? The fact that you were willing to call out a genocide for what it is. And I really respected that because there weren't really any media people on the right at all at that time who were willing to do it.

00:01:34.260 then after that you went on i think maybe a few podcasts where you talked about your evolution

00:01:40.720 in regard to your perception of muslims and i was like okay that takes an honest person to say that

00:01:47.100 to like admit i was wrong and especially on the right where you know the islamophobia which i

00:01:54.500 think is the product of brainwashing is still very much prominent right and then the final thing that

00:01:59.900 happened was you went on I think it was breaking points you were talking to Sagar and Jetty this

00:02:04.480 is before the election you were in support of Donald Trump at the time but Sagar asked you

00:02:10.500 you know you're against invading Iran or going to war with Iran what would you do if Trump gets

00:02:16.900 elected and he goes to war with Iran you just straight up said I will no longer support him

00:02:20.680 and I'll be vocal about it and I'm like okay we'll see we'll see and you made good on that promise

00:02:26.100 And I really appreciate that.

00:02:28.220 Yeah, I think for me, I had to sort of re-examine.

00:02:32.380 It takes a lot of humility, I think, when you have a public platform.

00:02:36.960 People are always rooting for you to be wrong anyway.

00:02:38.920 And I think it's the reason that so many people hold on to ideas even when they know they're wrong.

00:02:43.160 They just don't want to do the thing and go through the process of change.

00:02:46.120 But people love it.

00:02:47.100 People love when you're willing to be honest about what you were incorrect about

00:02:52.220 and that you're willing to recalibrate or evolve on an issue.

00:02:57.600 I know that I'm growing and evolving.

00:03:00.220 I mean, I started working at TYT when I was like 20 years old.

00:03:04.080 And so I'm now going to turn 40 in July.

00:03:07.400 So that's 20 years for me to not change at all would be ridiculous and embarrassing,

00:03:12.240 to be quite frank, right?

00:03:13.900 And so I'm proud of my changes.

00:03:16.340 I'm open-minded.

00:03:17.560 I'm willing to have conversations with just about anyone as long as I know it's going

00:03:20.480 to be good faith.

00:03:21.180 Mm hmm. And we have to find a way to bring the American people together because we are in the fight of our lives. Our government is not representing us. And the only way we can change things is if we're willing to build coalitions and work together on our system of government and making the reforms that we need. We need to get money out of politics.

00:03:41.980 We need to ensure that foreign governments do not have a say on our foreign policy or our domestic policy. If we don't do that, we're screwed. Our country's done. And so I'm noticing that there is some growing unity between the left and the right, the anti-war left, anti-war right, who are privy to the fact that our politicians are super corrupt, that they're bought by moneyed interests. 0.79

00:04:05.780 and you can't really solve that problem with one group of voters. You really need all hands on

00:04:12.960 deck. You do. And I think for me, when I started to have these scales fall from my eyes for a

00:04:19.460 second time, by the way, I feel like I sort of graduated to politics. I was like, oh, I figured

00:04:23.120 this out. Republicans have it right. And the left has it, you know, Democrats have it wrong. And I

00:04:28.140 felt so great about that. I felt like so free and so smart. And so then when I went through this

00:04:32.860 second process and was going, wait a minute, why is genocide sometimes OK? And going, I can't have

00:04:40.940 gotten that wrong. Come on. Come on, Republicans. This is obviously what's happening in Gaza is

00:04:44.960 wrong. It's kind of a scary process because then you have to you go, how could I have had this so

00:04:50.660 wrong? Totally. How could I have had this so wrong? It is. It's a scary process because politics

00:04:56.480 has become more than just, oh, this is a group of people I agree with on policies. It turned into,

00:05:04.460 I think, a replacement for religion for some people. It turned into, because think about,

00:05:09.080 you know, the era when everyone went to church or everyone went to temple or, you know, mosque,

00:05:13.520 whatever. It's your community, right? These are people that you communicate with. These are people

00:05:19.080 who might have different politics than you, but you share a faith. And as a result, you have

00:05:25.360 exposure to people who have different ideas. But then as people became less and less religious in

00:05:30.480 this country, I think politics or political parties kind of became the church, right? And it's scary

00:05:37.180 to go against your community. Right. And that's it. You suddenly find yourself a position where

00:05:42.540 you have to make all new political friends, so to speak. Exactly, yes. And then you see what they

00:05:47.220 are capable of, what they are willing to do, how much it is, just as you're describing, not even

00:05:53.560 a religion, a cult, and how quickly I was sort of excommunicated. And they tried to,

00:06:01.300 just as if you're leaving a cult, convince me that I was the crazy person for saying something

00:06:07.860 so sensible. Like, hey, killing kids is wrong. We shouldn't do that. Like saying a statement like 0.99

00:06:13.080 Brian Mast did about the Palestinians, there's no such thing as an innocent Palestinian, which is 1.00

00:06:17.420 what I was tweeting about in particular. Everyone should just have been like, of course, this is a 1.00

00:06:21.680 wrong statement from brian mast but they tried to play this psychological game on me yeah where

00:06:26.240 they were gaslighting me like you were the wrong like you were in the wrong because you realize

00:06:31.820 that you have a sitting united states congressman wearing the uniform of a foreign foreign country

00:06:36.920 in the halls of congress talking about how it's okay to just slaughter an entire group of people

00:06:43.540 including women children elderly people because of the cult he's in it is a cult and i mean what

00:06:49.960 are our values as a country? And the other thing is the fact that you were willing to put everything

00:06:54.900 on the line to speak out against the genocide in Gaza made me realize that you are actually good

00:07:00.800 faith on other political views you have, right? Because I'm pro-choice. That hasn't changed. I

00:07:06.440 mean, I'm definitely not in favor of, you know, late-term abortions happen, but they're very rare.

00:07:13.000 But, you know, I think that there were some laws written in a way that could have been abused,

00:07:16.500 whatever you know but my point is when it came to conservatives who said that they're anti-choice

00:07:22.160 i was like they just want to control women that's all it's about they don't actually see the fetus

00:07:26.480 as a life they don't see a zygote as the same as a human life no but you do actually right because

00:07:32.160 you'll see conservatives cheer on what's happening in gaza and now lebanon and now lebanon and then

00:07:38.760 purport to be pro-life yep that was one of the big ones for me where i was going we're pro-life

00:07:45.020 And you're telling me that there's an exception because you have some heretical theology that's telling you that, oh, all of these rules are, of course, we should be abiding by this.

00:07:55.140 And, of course, it's the right thing to do.

00:07:56.460 And God, God, God, Jesus Christ. 0.90

00:07:58.800 And then they go, oh, but unless it happens in Israel, then it's okay. 0.91

00:08:01.260 So I'm like, oh, so there's this random carve out where we can mass murder kids as long as it's in Israel. 0.81

00:08:06.020 Why doesn't every mass murderer just go to Israel and just do whatever they want? 0.77

00:08:09.300 And then you just go, well, they're chosen.

00:08:11.040 So this land is chosen so they can do whatever they want on this land.

00:08:13.900 And that was shocking for me. And it made me go a lot deeper on theology. And gratefully, like my husband is just he majored in theology. And so it's been kind of a part of his internal dialogue for a very long time. And I was like, what am I missing here? Like, how did I miss that I was in partnership with these people that you're right? This is not a theology for them. This is a cult. This is a cult.

00:08:38.720 What's really interesting and something that I've always wanted to ask you about is, do you feel that, I mean, I'm sure, look, I'm seeing the success of your show. So obviously there's a giant portion of conservatives out there in this country who side with you and don't fall under the category that I'm about to describe. But do you feel like you were kind of used as a tool earlier in your career?

00:09:03.080 Absolutely. I know, not feel. It's a fact.

00:09:06.820 Because when you're critical of, let's say, the black community, oh, they love it, right? That's when you get a platform and you get all the plaudits and speaking engagements. But once you speak out against what's happening in Gaza, you're not that useful tool anymore. 1.00

00:09:21.720 That was one of the things that was really hard for me to contend with personally, because obviously, when I was at the Daily Wire, we were actually kind of in the midst of the same topic, really, right? So it's like you're talking about a race. You're saying, okay, this thing happened. So they were saying October 7th happened. BLM was saying the George Floyd thing happened. This is going to be the impetus now. And they were doing things that, in my view, still to this day, were just wrong. 0.77

00:09:48.040 I don't care what happened in Minnesota.

00:09:49.420 You don't have the right to go into Target and grab a flat screen TV, right?

00:09:53.460 And so I wanted to do a documentary.

00:09:55.560 I wanted to dive deeper on the topic.

00:09:57.060 And it was round of applause from a daily wire.

00:09:59.920 This is amazing. 1.00

00:10:00.760 Give her a platform.

00:10:01.980 Then I watched virtually the exact same thing, right? 0.74

00:10:05.020 Using race as an excuse saying, oh, well, we have to do this for Jews.

00:10:09.200 You have this event, this event that happened, which was singular.

00:10:12.780 And then they tried to extrapolate it.

00:10:14.420 And I'm going, well, it's still wrong, right?

00:10:16.520 The law is the law. 1.00

00:10:17.620 like you know morality is morality doesn't matter if a black person does it or if a jewish person 0.99

00:10:21.440 does it you don't get to rob and steal palestinian homes exactly and suddenly it was you're an 0.98

00:10:26.740 anti-semite you deserve to have nothing you shouldn't even be allowed to travel to australia

00:10:32.520 because you are akin to adolf hitler the same people that gave me the platform and so i

00:10:39.020 yeah it was a very tough pill to swallow so australia banned you after you said that it's 0.51

00:10:43.760 genocide um yeah that was the beginning of every i mean i had i was temporarily banned for ads from

00:10:49.580 youtube because they are organized online and started mass reporting my new channel um i got

00:10:54.780 banned from australia got fired from a daily wire they uh started putting pressure bench bureau in

00:10:59.980 particular on you know this is the zionist lobby it's it's not just in america it's global yeah 0.78

00:11:04.180 um and so i went from being a rock star to suddenly she is adolf hitler and deserves nothing

00:11:10.900 in her life because she has a moral principle. So you kind of look and you go, well, I have

00:11:16.080 two options here. I can play the game and do like the majority of people do and just look the other

00:11:22.160 way and say, oh, I don't really care about what's happening overseas. Go along to get along. Go

00:11:25.860 along to get along. Or you take a bold stand and you say, I'll rebuild it because I don't want to

00:11:30.160 have a house that's made because I'm silent on issues that actually impact my soul. I want to

00:11:37.420 it into heaven. Yeah, okay. I mean, there's that for sure. But on top of that, I don't think people

00:11:42.260 who go along to get along realize they're going to get caught because audiences aren't stupid.

00:11:49.140 And we might be in an environment where you can get away with either being silent or providing 0.91

00:11:55.440 ridiculous excuses for why you're not speaking out against what's really going on or why you're

00:12:00.120 not willing to tell the truth about what's going on. Eventually, there's going to be enough videos

00:12:05.220 of dead children. Eventually, when it comes to the war in Iran, the gas prices and the inflation

00:12:12.440 is going to be so bad that you're going to lose people and people are going to wake up to what

00:12:16.980 the reality is. And when they are personally harmed, when their own household is personally

00:12:20.980 harmed by these policies that, you know, the government pursues based on moneyed interests

00:12:26.300 or foreign pressure, well, you know, they're going to lose support from the people. And

00:12:31.840 And what do they do? The first thing they do is they engage in intimidation tactics, censorship. The more the pro-Israel crowd and the Zionists attempt to censor people and intimidate them, the more counterproductive they're being for their own cause.

00:12:47.120 right but they don't think people up they don't think long term they're always thinking short 0.89

00:12:50.540 term and what's right in front of them they don't they're not trying to make friends they're trying

00:12:53.940 to terrify people they operate exactly like a mafia um who would you say on the left of people

00:13:00.400 that maybe like were your heroes were you shocked didn't take the moral position um i don't talk

00:13:07.500 about him that often because it really does break my heart i he was the best reporter after the 2008

00:13:14.060 economic collapse, Matt Taibbi. He hasn't taken the wrong position. He's just decided to be

00:13:21.960 silent for whatever reason. And that kind of breaks my heart because he's such an amazing

00:13:26.540 journalist and reporter. And I thought that he would be an important voice in exposing the truth

00:13:31.940 to people. But for whatever reason, he's just decided to remain silent. And when people kind of

00:13:36.300 started to nudge him about it, he continued to be silent and then defensive. And I'm like,

00:13:40.720 there's something going on. And I'm also in a different place in my life where I don't feel

00:13:47.240 the need to like just go out of my way to attack people. Like I used to be an attack dog a little

00:13:51.880 bit. So I'm not like going out of my way to attack him or anything. I'm just disappointed.

00:13:56.440 And so I just note it for the record and then I move on to people I can trust.

00:14:00.780 Yeah. So much of that. I think especially for me, like the obviously the Charlie Kirk assassination.

00:14:06.800 yeah i bet was just i will never see politics the same i'm like what did that man live for

00:14:14.200 yeah well formed all of you all of you me everyone i just thought there would be an army of people

00:14:22.760 assembled and i thought we'd have a truth in a week this man is like the reason donald trump

00:14:29.080 is in office he was like brothers with don trump like so could you imagine the shock yeah that i

00:14:36.000 have gone through like cash patel who who was the person writing hardcore for cash patel the

00:14:40.460 cash patel there's something going on with that brother i don't know what is going on with him

00:14:44.460 but there's something very strange about him i mean it could just be a lack of competence for

00:14:50.240 the role that he's in but when you consider the fact that he's our fbi director still

00:14:55.120 when you consider the fact that we have depleted 80 of our missile interceptors uh because we've

00:15:01.520 given military aid to Israel, Ukraine. We're currently using interceptors, you know, in this

00:15:07.620 war against Iran. I'm worried about our national security, our national security. And I'm not one

00:15:12.680 of these like, ooh, I'm going to scare everybody. I'm not a scaremonger. And I never bought into

00:15:17.360 national security threats or that narrative from the government when it came to manufacturing

00:15:22.440 consent for wars that we got involved in. But right now, when you just look at the facts,

00:15:27.180 Our military capability is weakened. We don't have the manufacturing capacity that Iran has, for instance. Like they build $5,000 drones real quick. We have an entire corrupt system where these defense contractors, for example, we don't have like the industrial base and the manufacturing capacity to build these weapons as quickly as we would need. 1.00

00:15:48.460 OK.

00:15:48.960 And then on top of that, just because we're spending an arm and a leg on our Pentagon, on our defense budget, doesn't mean that we're getting our money's worth.

00:15:57.180 No, we're sending it overseas.

00:15:58.260 We're sending it overseas.

00:15:59.000 And on top of that, we're spending more than we need to on the weaponry that we purchase, the defense capabilities we purchase from these private defense contractors.

00:16:08.820 That's the kickbacks.

00:16:09.740 Yeah, exactly. 0.83

00:16:10.220 That's the entire neocon class.

00:16:11.820 Exactly.

00:16:12.300 And that's the Meghan McCain's of the world who sit up there, have accomplished absolutely nothing in their lives, but just sit up there and go war, war, war, war, war, because my trust fund needs to grow and have the audacity to lecture us.

00:16:22.920 I have a funny story about Meghan McCain.

00:16:24.140 I am amazed that she has the audacity to ever speak, but will like, my daddy, that's her whole position in life.

00:16:31.000 My daddy, she's never done literally anything other than say my daddy.

00:16:34.920 I've never met a woman in the media space or political space who's less intellectually curious.

00:16:42.540 Most unimpressive. 1.00

00:16:43.520 She's so I mean, she used to host a show called Take Part Live. And at this time, she and I knew each other. And so I would fill in when one of the hosts was out. But we interacted. And I remember one time they called me in to be a guest on the panel. And they were going to talk about this is during the Obama administration.

00:17:02.140 They were going to talk about Obama's expansion of drone use in, you know, the Middle East. And a lot of innocent people were getting killed, you know, a lot of collateral damage. And people were very critical about that. And so she just had to read an article so she would know what the story is as we talk about it on the show. She couldn't be bothered to read the article. She had no interest at all. I'm like, why are you even in this space? What are you doing?

00:17:25.360 you could see that even when she was on the view oh totally just had nothing to add that was

00:17:30.640 intellectual that looked like she maybe studied it she she just comes across like they had a

00:17:35.220 butler who did her homework do you know what i mean yeah and that she's that she reads very few

00:17:38.840 books there's just something about her and yet she has this attitude and this sense of this 0.95

00:17:43.600 arrogance well my daddy my daddy my daddy and has no idea what the general viewpoint is of her

00:17:48.420 father like that's also stunning it's like she thinks like her dad is some like very well-liked

00:17:52.780 politician no actually on the right or on the left is your father was your father very well

00:17:58.500 liked or is he very respected and I think people chose this sort of uh respectful silence obviously

00:18:04.420 when he passed away and for me a moment where I really saw what she was was when she used her

00:18:10.900 father's funeral to dunk on Trump like I don't remember that oh gosh her the speech yeah uh my

00:18:17.600 my dad would say that this country was always great because you know Trump said make America

00:18:21.840 grade again that's right i do remember that and i just thought to myself what is your life like do

00:18:26.660 you have a real life if you think that i would waste one sentence one breath towards an enemy

00:18:32.780 when my father yeah at the funeral at the funeral it's like i like are you kidding me you're trying

00:18:37.560 to dunk a political it's just it was to me so crass and so um yeah it's the arrogance that comes

00:18:43.320 that goes with it when we know you've worked for nothing in your life and you have had everything

00:18:47.040 handed to you and you actually don't have any moral principle outside of more war more war

00:18:51.100 more war yeah um and the amount of people who are dying it's the way these people speak to us and

00:18:56.620 i'm saying left and right the way they speak to us when they call us evil psychopathic when we're

00:19:03.860 worried about innocent people getting killed like that at the heart of it is that we find it immoral

00:19:09.940 just like i did on october 7th i find it immoral when civilians are targeted and killed so i was

00:19:19.580 not ever one of those people who cheered on what happened on october 7th never i never would that

00:19:24.280 goes against who i am as a human being i value human life and i don't think civilians should

00:19:29.180 be targeted for any reason anytime they are the person doing the targeting the group doing the

00:19:33.480 targeting is in the wrong period that's it so when you now have upward of 75 000 people killed in

00:19:41.860 gaza and you mention that to a israel first or or zionist and they respond to you immediately by

00:19:48.960 saying, what about October 7th? What that communicates to me is you do have a problem

00:19:54.220 with civilian lives being lost on a particular side. But civilian lives mean nothing to you.

00:20:02.140 At first, I thought when it comes to the Palestinians, but no, I feel like human 0.99

00:20:06.200 life doesn't matter to them at all unless we're talking about a Jewish Zionist. Because if you're 1.00

00:20:12.260 a Jewish person like Dave Smith, for instance, they'll kill you too. They could care. But you're 1.00

00:20:16.120 They're not a Zionist? Oh, they couldn't care less. You're right. They could not care less. And I just find that so immoral. But they turn around and they try to make us look like we're the immoral ones because we have a problem and we're speaking out about this. 1.00

00:20:28.800 That's exactly right. And you understand even within the Jewish population. And that's why I've done so much. I've made such an effort over the last year to wake up Jewish Americans to this. Because I view them as you were brainwashed. This is what you think. I mean, this is a whole reason they started the program of Birthright. And when the ADL guy got caught on a private call saying that, like, we need to kind of come up with something. We're losing Gen Z. We got to do like we did when we established that program for Birthright. 1.00

00:20:53.900 Right. And this is why Max Blumenthal has done such incredible work because he went on Birthright and he spoke about that experience.

00:21:00.200 They're brainwashing them so young. Right. We are all subject to brainwashing.

00:21:03.980 That is the most important thing that I think I have come out of learning.

00:21:07.900 I was like, how did I get brainwashed? I thought the same thing.

00:21:10.220 I was watching the Holocaust movies. All of that is a part of your growing up, your brainwashing experience, what you're learning in the classroom. 0.81

00:21:16.900 You're who is the victim, you know, and who do you have to defend who is being oppressed?

00:21:20.840 and so there's this sort of trigger mechanism that is within all of us it's buried within us

00:21:26.220 from the time that we're kids and we don't realize it because we're just taking in so much

00:21:29.960 media we're taking in we're listening to our teachers and then we're like october 7th happens

00:21:34.500 and then they go remember all that stuff like this is now you have to understand what they're

00:21:38.820 going to do next think about what happened you don't want another holocaust it's like priming

00:21:42.480 you to be accepting of something that just goes against your core principles and for jewish

00:21:48.340 americans too so you can understand why they reacted the way that they did right away of course

00:21:52.520 yeah they're gonna get that 20 times worse it's gonna be your stories about your grandma in your

00:21:56.440 book like you go to temple you go to you know you're i mean you go to you go to synagogue

00:21:59.940 and you're gonna have those presets and then it went too far and a lot of them snapped out of it

00:22:05.420 and now i get jewish people emailing me totally i don't know what this is i don't know why i'm

00:22:10.880 being told i have to defend jeffrey epstein i don't know why i'm being told i have to defend

00:22:14.820 bb net and yahoo so can we just address how brazenly obvious like okay when every pro israel

00:22:24.540 media figure comes out at the same time and basically says oh there's no big deal with the

00:22:29.920 epstein files they shouldn't be released you're giving it away like you're giving it away like

00:22:34.760 you guys are too obvious and and what i'm wondering is was the propaganda always this bad or is it

00:22:42.460 that we're just a lot more awake now because there's diversified independent media. People

00:22:47.700 are kind of breaking out of their bubble. So it's harder to lie to us. So they're like propaganda

00:22:51.720 muscle has atrophy to some extent. So well said. Right. I think it's the latter. Absolutely. I

00:22:57.920 think we are more awake than we've ever been. There is independent media. And it's also like

00:23:03.720 you said earlier, they can't help themselves. So the entire strategy of a daily wire, try to destroy

00:23:08.880 me, actually woke a lot of people up. It's like, my goodness, Candace was going around Judeo-Christian 0.89

00:23:13.820 doing all the things. She worked at Prager. You want me to believe that overnight, Candace Owens

00:23:17.260 became an anti-Semite to Adolf Hitler? For real, though. I know. She was working with, you know,

00:23:20.940 Ben Shapiro and Marisha Strait and Dennis Prager. And they're like, yeah, no, it's crazy how it

00:23:25.620 happened. She fell and bumped her head and now she's Adolf Hitler. And that it's the whiplash. 0.81

00:23:29.800 It's too fast. People go, OK, you had me. Maybe you had me at Nick Flint test. You know,

00:23:34.340 People go, OK, he was done early. He's 18. We didn't know who he was. But they just start moving. And then you're going, it's Candace Owens. Oh, no, Tucker Carlson bumped his head and became Adolf Hitler. It becomes way too. And then you go, OK, let me go back and really see what's happening here.

00:23:49.560 Because, I mean, look, Nick Fuentes' rhetoric is nowhere close to Tucker Carlson's rhetoric.

00:23:56.060 Nowhere close to it.

00:23:57.280 They're all in the same box.

00:23:58.200 Right?

00:23:58.440 But they're lumped together.

00:24:00.300 And to me, this isn't really about hatred toward Jewish people, which I find immoral, 0.90

00:24:06.640 just like I would find hatred toward Muslims or hatred toward Christians.

00:24:10.040 Like, hating any group of people simply based on their identity is wrong.

00:24:13.420 It's just always wrong.

00:24:14.640 Yeah.

00:24:14.820 Yeah. But but yeah, I just I just seems like I forgot where I was going with that. Yeah. A lot of people I think they were just kind of part of this algorithmic bubble where they're only exposed to one thing. And when it came to the Muslim population, I think that the dehumanization was seen in the media across the board. And that brainwashing worked for a really long time. I mean, it definitely convinced Americans to support wars that we shouldn't have supported.

00:24:44.300 Going back to those presets when we're in our youth, 9-11.

00:24:47.460 Yep.

00:24:47.760 It was so raw.

00:24:48.920 It was so scary.

00:24:50.080 The way they made us stand up at 9-11 every day, the time in school.

00:24:53.960 I remember that. 1.00

00:24:54.360 Moment of silence for what the Muslims did to us. 1.00

00:24:57.620 Think about, like, that's kind of, so I was just like, Muslims, like, this is just how they live. 1.00

00:25:02.760 This is what they do.

00:25:04.280 And didn't register to me as Islamophobia. 0.93

00:25:07.060 I just thought, I'm educated. 1.00

00:25:08.940 It's a token of your education to understand how despicable Muslims are. 1.00

00:25:12.760 I remember that. 1.00

00:25:13.520 I remember that so well. I remember the unfair attacks against Muslims. By the way, I mean, there are different Muslim beliefs, like sex and whatever, but everything was just lumped together. Muslims bad. And this is going to be used as a justification for us to enrich defense contractors. They profit off war. Right now, you know, there's a town in Alabama where they make rockets and military weaponry, and it's booming all of a sudden because of the war against Iran.

00:25:43.200 And it's funny listening to an interview of, like, one of the workers there because they're able to, like, compartmentalize the economic boom they're experiencing from what it's feeding into.

00:25:55.440 And so when you think about how people's livelihoods get wrapped up into questions of peace and war, when you consider the fact that our media apparatus, especially when it comes to legacy media or corporate media, is very much part of the propaganda campaigns to, in my opinion, just trick Americans into supporting things that actually work against their own interests.

00:26:16.880 all of that stuff started to kind of get chipped away at by independent media and people being

00:26:23.680 willing to honestly critique their own side there aren't a lot of people in the media who are

00:26:30.380 willing to do that just a handful that i can think of but i think that woke a lot of people up i

00:26:34.840 really did i really do think it did and the whiplash of oh tucker carlson was fine for fox

00:26:39.520 news and cnn and everything and then all of a sudden no tucker carlson very very bad you can't

00:26:44.820 listen and it's but we're starting to notice this pattern that it's the same issue that suddenly

00:26:49.360 gets these people who are welcomed loved by the mainstream adored by the mainstream and then

00:26:54.080 suddenly thrust to the side and having not just their livelihoods impacted but also our families

00:27:00.900 i was watching this attack on your husband like my husband's being attacked your husband's being

00:27:08.020 attacked yep and by the way kudos for you for just coming back thank you yes it is my husband he's

00:27:13.260 hot. I'm glad you found him. I mean, he's hot. Thank you. But what actually sits at the center

00:27:19.240 of that? Let's now try to get and harass Anna Kasparian's husband. Why do you think that that 0.75

00:27:25.500 became now their their prime motivator? Well, because I'm I don't want to say I'm unbreakable,

00:27:32.020 but I am kind of unbreakable. Like I'm the kind of person who does not respond well to others

00:27:37.560 telling me what I can and can't think or what I can and can't say. So I might fall prey to

00:27:43.440 brainwashing and propaganda. We're all susceptible to that. However, when you're straight up telling

00:27:49.380 me you're not allowed to think that, you're not allowed to say that, I just get very irritable

00:27:54.960 and I double down. It's like not the way to persuade me to think otherwise, right? And so,

00:28:00.960 I mean, they've done some damage to me financially. I got fired from a job that I really,

00:28:04.700 like a side job where i was doing investigative reporting um on california-based stories because

00:28:09.780 there's a lot going down in california that i think people need to be aware about uh to make

00:28:13.920 smarter decisions when they vote um so even though that was one of the more difficult jobs like i was

00:28:19.360 writing features like 2 000 word pieces that were like original reporting it was hard it was very

00:28:25.740 time consuming but i loved that job so much uh they they took it for me um i guess there was one

00:28:32.540 board member at the company that uh didn't like my commentary i called uh jonathan conricus who's a

00:28:37.840 idf propagandist he's usually on like pierce morgan show and whatever i was on with him and

00:28:43.200 i called him a terrorist because he's a terrorist and um that was it like that was what got me fired

00:28:48.320 whatever but i'll take it i want to be free i don't want to work for some this is not a news

00:28:52.440 organization if you guys are going to censor people uh on what they can and can't say on

00:28:56.560 what's going down in the middle east right now so okay fine i'm you took that from me

00:29:00.480 But once they realize that, like, taking things away from me wasn't working, once they realize, like, TYT is not going to fire her, they're like, okay, what else can we do? And they immediately move on to collective punishment. They are big believers in the ideology of collective punishment. So we're going to go after her family. We're going to go after her husband, who's a freaking PE teacher, who is not political.

00:29:24.080 by the way after they did go after him this is the second time first time they did it suddenly 0.97

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00:31:49.940 They are quite literally attacking Zionists. 1.00

00:31:52.920 They will attack. 1.00

00:31:53.760 To try to hurt me, they will attack Zionists. 1.00

00:31:56.520 That's amazing. 1.00

00:31:57.100 There's this whole thread where Laura Loomer was going after my lawyers,

00:32:01.940 and she's like,

00:32:02.640 Okay, so are you BDS now?

00:32:05.160 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:32:05.840 Are you saying that I should not work in any capacity with Zionists? 1.00

00:32:09.200 That's literally boycott, divest, and sanction. 1.00

00:32:11.760 So I'm turning Zionists into promoters of BDS, which is incredible. 0.99

00:32:15.940 They don't even, like I said, there's no thought process. 1.00

00:32:18.000 It's just attack, attack, attack, attack.

00:32:19.220 It's like, I have to spend money with a lawyer, okay?

00:32:21.100 There are millions of lawyers.

00:32:23.240 They're all over.

00:32:24.060 They're a dime a dozen over here.

00:32:25.600 If you want to attack a lawyer for getting paid, you're doing the work of actually what 0.97

00:32:30.860 people think people boycott, divest away from Zionists in general. 0.79

00:32:35.160 And so I'm like, okay, this is not a big deal to me, but there is a desperation.

00:32:39.780 there's something right now that feels very fragile they're getting so increasingly desperate

00:32:46.180 like they are we're going after people's husbands we're going after people's lawyers we will try to

00:32:50.540 just harass you and it's obviously not working at all it's not like you i just dig my feet in

00:32:55.680 even more and i'm like let's suit up for battle let's do this thing i am not going to be broken

00:33:00.720 by this you guys have tried so much but right now i mean the radical nature of trump's tweets

00:33:07.820 right now oh my gosh they're unhinged and i used to enjoy they used to be pithy one sentence and

00:33:13.680 hit at some modicum of truth like only rosie o'donnell that's just funny to people because

00:33:18.060 it's like he's saying basically rosie o'donnell this is not that this is like the rantings of a

00:33:23.880 madman i don't have time to read all of this and at its core it's just he's being instructed to

00:33:30.040 attack people who don't support israel it's crazy it's absolutely insane what are we getting close

00:33:34.880 to. Yeah. That's my question. What are we getting close to? They don't feel like they're in control

00:33:40.780 right now. They feel like an animal backed into a corner that's fighting and just lashing. Well,

00:33:45.180 it's funny because they are in control of the levers of power, right? And that's definitely

00:33:52.320 scary. I mean, don't get me wrong. I don't want to minimize that. But at the same time,

00:33:56.020 they are no longer in control of the narrative. And Americans are waking up to just how much

00:34:02.580 our government has been, I mean, for lack of a better word, infiltrated by people who are much 0.90

00:34:10.040 more concerned with foreign policy that benefits Israel above and beyond, you know, what's better

00:34:16.520 for the American people. This war against Iran doesn't benefit us in any way, shape or form. 0.51

00:34:21.580 And we went into it with no strategy, no plan, no support, no people. Exactly. No support. I mean, 0.80

00:34:27.400 Trump never even thought he needed to make his case to the American people. So we went into it

00:34:32.080 With it being an incredibly unpopular war, the fact that he didn't even consider that Iran would take control of the Strait of Hormuz, thus creating a lot of economic pain for the globe.

00:34:43.500 Like, think about all of our allies right now, longtime allies who are so furious with us.

00:34:49.540 You know, Germany recently came out and had some strong words against the United States.

00:34:54.880 India has been irritated with us because of, first, Trump's Liberation Day tariffs, which also seemed pretty ham-handed.

00:35:01.840 And I'm saying that as someone who's supportive of targeted tariffs and think, you know, they can work in bringing some jobs back to the United States. But the way he did it made a lot of enemies. Again, I go back to the issue of our, you know, military being weakened because we've given so many weapons away. We've used so many weapons and we've depleted 80 percent of our missile interceptors.

00:35:20.840 interceptors i just feel for the first time that we are not safe but the thing that gives me a

00:35:27.940 little bit of relief is knowing that people on the left and the right are waking up to it you know

00:35:33.880 like that gives me hope if it weren't for that honestly i would definitely be 100 black pilled

00:35:40.020 i would be a total doomer and i would see no hope for the future but the people are waking up right

00:35:46.000 And so the fact that the individuals you're referring to who are backed into a corner don't have control of the narrative, that's why they're backed into the corner and they don't know what to do. So they're lashing out and attacking family members, but it's only helping our cause when they do that because people see it and they're just like, ew, this is disgusting behavior. Why are you going after a PE teacher who never said anything about Israel at all?

00:36:08.220 And anything I've said about Israel is not anti-Semitic. Israel carried out a genocide, continues to carry out a genocide in Gaza. They were occupying 53 percent of the territory. Now they're occupying 64 percent. Just last night, I read an article about how they quietly redrew the map of the area of Gaza that they're going to occupy. So from 53 percent to 64 percent. Where are all those Palestinians going to go?

00:36:31.680 How many refugee crises have we experienced because Israel wants to pursue its border expansion project? 0.97

00:36:40.040 And so when I hear people like that Tommy Robinson guy whining about like, oh, the Islamification of the U.K., these Muslims are so bad and so dangerous, you are supportive of Israel. 0.89

00:36:51.040 So unless you wake up and tell the truth about what's actually happening and what's causing these mass migration events, how about you shut up? 0.99

00:36:58.560 I always say that. I'm like, and where do you think these migrants are coming from? 0.96

00:37:01.540 Do you think they wanted to be here or are they being forced out of their homes? 1.00

00:37:05.420 And so they don't, they can't connect the dot there.

00:37:07.940 Yeah. 1.00

00:37:08.320 It's, oh, we have a Muslim problem. 0.98

00:37:10.360 No, we actually, we have an Israel never-ending war problem. 0.95

00:37:13.580 Exactly. 0.98

00:37:14.180 And it's then, of course, these people have to go somewhere if we're just going to take their land. 1.00

00:37:18.200 Look at Lebanon now. 0.99

00:37:19.360 Yeah.

00:37:19.580 Yeah, we're just going to take southern Lebanon.

00:37:21.780 And then, by the way, they've begun evacuating villages north of the Latani River, meaning, oh, no, it's not just southern Lebanon.

00:37:29.400 And so when people fearmonger about groups like Hezbollah, for instance, which is supported by Iran, you got to understand why Hezbollah exists in the first place. Hezbollah formed in the 1980s after Israel invaded southern Lebanon.

00:37:44.320 So, like, let me ask our red blooded Americans right now, if Mexico invaded, you know, one of our southern border country of states, are we just going to sit back and take it or is there going to be a resistance group right now?

00:37:58.700 We have a military, we have a government that would prevent that from happening. 0.73

00:38:01.920 But let's say a foreign country turned our government into a puppet of theirs and they cared less about protecting the American people in our territory, which I think is the case in Lebanon.

00:38:14.280 There would be a resistance group. 0.60

00:38:15.900 Of course, there would be.

00:38:16.600 100 percent.

00:38:17.400 Yeah.

00:38:17.720 Yeah.

00:38:18.000 I always said to people, it's like they took their homes.

00:38:21.020 They just spoke up one day and said, I don't care if you've lived here for centuries.

00:38:24.700 You just got to go.

00:38:26.020 We're now giving your land and you're not going to get any money.

00:38:29.040 You're at gunpoint.

00:38:30.160 You just got to leave your house.

00:38:31.160 I can't imagine. It's weird to me that people don't understand that if you keep empowering something that is that immoral, right? Something that believes that genocide is their right, that it's their birthright to mass murder children who don't see you as having a human soul. How do you not comprehend that that chicken will eventually come home to Bruce?

00:38:52.280 100%. I mean, I think Christians are waking up to it because of the abuse Christians are dealing with in Lebanon, in Jerusalem. You know, it's interesting because after World War I, because of the Armenian genocide that was carried out by the Ottoman Empire, Ottoman Turks, Armenians became, you know, they fled. Many went to Syria. They were forced to do a death march, as my great-grandmother was, and she survived it, but my great-grandfather didn't.

00:39:21.420 this is on my dad's side. They killed him. And so she had to do that death march that she survived

00:39:27.300 with her children in tow, including my grandfather. I didn't know this until very recently.

00:39:33.360 My last name wouldn't have been Casparian. Casparian is the last name of the man who took

00:39:39.360 my great grandmother and grandfather in and married her and whatever. So I would have had

00:39:45.340 a completely different last name. This made me much more curious about like my ancestry and

00:39:50.040 everything. And on my mom's side, they fled to Palestine. Okay. So my grandmother's birth

00:39:58.500 certificate said Haifa, Palestine. And so I started doing some research into that because

00:40:04.540 she was born in 1937 in Haifa. In 1947, a year before the Nakba happened, basically the Soviet

00:40:13.720 union was sending ships to what is now israel uh to take armenians back to the homeland because

00:40:20.280 well there were these terrorist groups that were carrying out terror attacks against the palestinians

00:40:26.720 and christians because armenians are overwhelmingly christian right and so uh at that time what my

00:40:32.580 research uh showed me was that the irgun which is one of the three terrorist groups that formed

00:40:38.000 Israel was attacking the local communities there in Haifa, doing bombings and all sorts of crazy

00:40:44.300 things. So like they fled genocide, went to Haifa and then have had to flee again. But luckily,

00:40:49.720 they were able to go back to their homeland at that time. And they went back to Armenia. And 1.00

00:40:53.540 that's where my mom was born. And it's crazy because those terrorist groups like they then

00:40:57.660 came to the United States, became their children, became executives, politicians like these are what

00:41:04.760 we are dealing with in media are the sons and the daughters of those terrorists make no mistake i

00:41:08.920 mean this is yeah the emmanuel family being one of them rom emmanuel ari emmanuel how much power

00:41:14.280 does that family have do not trust that man but democrats i'm gonna look right there i'm gonna

00:41:18.500 look into the camera right now do not trust him he's like he's putting out statements right now 0.85

00:41:23.440 about like oh we should really rethink our support to israel he's full of crap absolutely not yeah 0.94

00:41:28.980 he was born was in the idf like no don't trust him democrats need to distance themselves from 0.98

00:41:35.560 these people like they're not healthy for us to be honest i just think at the top it's all the

00:41:40.120 same i don't i think the epstein files had everyone in it i truly i think they have been

00:41:44.120 that that sort of global arms trafficking human sex trafficking uh syndicate has is running america

00:41:52.920 and hasn't running america for a long time obviously epstein you know his side gig was

00:41:56.500 blackmail, but people forget that former Mossad agents testified that he was brought in for the

00:42:03.560 arms deal for the Iran-Contra scandal. Yes, yes. Okay, so you know. Oh, I am so deep on the Epstein

00:42:09.520 stuff, and I'm going, oh, okay, so this is what I think is kind of happening in America is a lot of

00:42:15.640 these people have a lot to do with trafficking. Well, do you read DropSite News by any chance?

00:42:19.880 No. Okay, you will love it, because DropSite News, when, first of all, there was a leak of

00:42:25.620 the former Israeli prime minister's email. And so they started doing reporting on that.

00:42:30.400 And then the Epstein files that were released, they specifically started to look into what kind

00:42:35.560 of ties Epstein had with Israel. And it went beyond blackmailing our politicians and powerful

00:42:40.900 people on behalf of Israel. Right. He was making all sorts of international deals on behalf of

00:42:47.680 Israel, including the arms deals you're referring to, you know, cyber weapons, things like that.

00:42:52.680 Why do you think the UAE has such a friendly relationship with Israel? 0.60

00:42:55.860 Weapons was one. 0.64

00:42:56.840 And I keep trying to tell people that on my podcast.

00:42:58.840 I'm like, guys, like, this is not.

00:43:00.180 So when I'm, like, looking into things and there's so much trafficking connections, I'm like, is this.

00:43:04.700 Are we looking at the Epstein network?

00:43:06.380 Is that what's being protected?

00:43:07.380 And I don't know what your take is on why Trump is protecting that.

00:43:13.700 I think they have blackmail on him.

00:43:14.940 I don't know.

00:43:15.560 I don't know how deep it goes. 0.99

00:43:16.980 I also think, just keeping it real, Trump is a very corrupt person. 0.93

00:43:21.840 I mean, he loves money, and I think it's easy to buy him. 0.96

00:43:25.320 I think he's exceedingly easy to corrupt.

00:43:28.860 So, and this is my opinion, so I have no proof of this, but when I look at the broader Epstein picture, one of the things that Epstein was always involved in was where women could be trafficked too.

00:43:40.740 So Victoria's Secret. The guy, Jean-Luc Brunel, was his partner in Paris for like the modeling firm who ended up killing himself in prison, killing himself and hanged himself in prison.

00:43:52.540 Just like Epstein.

00:43:53.180 Exactly. And so he was constantly plugged into all of these modeling firms. And also pageantry falls into that category. And that was when why was Trump running, you know, the pageantry?

00:44:03.700 Like, is that how he knows Epstein world?

00:44:05.640 Is that does it go back that deep?

00:44:06.900 Did he do a deal with Epstein and look the other way like a lot of these other people did when these Eastern European women were coming in?

00:44:15.880 Those are the questions that I have because it doesn't make sense otherwise.

00:44:18.560 Do I think he's also protecting his donors?

00:44:20.760 Absolutely.

00:44:22.060 Do I think Trump is his own man?

00:44:23.380 Obviously not.

00:44:24.300 Miriam Adelson did a deal with him, purchased out. 0.99

00:44:27.340 I mean, she kind of outright purchased the White House.

00:44:28.920 I mean, he said it himself.

00:44:29.880 I mean, it's that's the thing that I guess I appreciate about Trump, if you want to put it that way. I mean, I don't know if it's due to lack of sophistication or if it's just that he can't help himself, but he just says it. He just says it. And so I choose to believe him when he says that, you know, Miriam Adelson loves Israel more than the United States, that she's got a lot of money, that she, you know, is a big donor. Like, I mean, he's communicating to us. Listen, I'm doing what I'm doing because she bought me.

00:44:56.660 But that's also, by the way, what I think is wrong with Kash Patel. He's from Las Vegas. Las Vegas is a gambling empire. That's it. They own Vegas. So when I see people coming out of Vegas, my immediate assumption is, well, you're already, if you made it up the chain in Vegas, you've already done some deals. Allegedly, my opinion, but when I was like, Kash Patel's from Las Vegas, there's no, of course, obviously he's corrupt. You don't get ahead in Las Vegas because you're like a good guy.

00:45:20.260 like his behavior makes that obvious right what do you think about the reporting about his like

00:45:25.480 alcohol use do you think that's like an attempt to smear him so no i don't get rid of him i think 0.94

00:45:32.160 i think he he drinks i think it's very stupid for someone like the atlantic to publish that it's 0.79

00:45:37.080 just i mean they're they're too well known to be like i'm just going to publish a piece it's way 0.94

00:45:41.240 too specific and his reaction yeah he's so vociferous about it it was like too much and he

00:45:48.740 just kind of strikes me as when i was reading some of the stories i was like they're way too

00:45:52.140 specific and i do know that people don't like him so they would leak those sorts of stories right

00:45:56.260 if the atlantic is if their response is we are prepared to defend ourselves in court yeah then

00:46:00.680 they have something it's the same way where everyone is sue candace sue candace i have been

00:46:05.740 meticulous about making sure that i am saving every source every conversation i don't take 0.86

00:46:10.500 an unnecessary risk i don't want to be sued and then proven an idiot by being like oh well she 0.93

00:46:15.540 was just coming up with fantasy and nothing was driving this so of course they had and they are 0.98

00:46:19.780 and they are not independent they have people that they have to rely upon they have to have

00:46:23.300 those legal teams they did not publish that article and put a target on their back from the

00:46:27.360 fbi director on the basis of just wanting to like lol publish that's my read on the situation

00:46:32.380 yeah and he is erratic there's something about him that feels erratic and even the tweet the

00:46:38.200 weird tweet about my girlfriend's a country music sensation you got to be a couple of cocktails in

00:46:43.060 right i mean i don't think i hope that actually helps him actually i don't think it's affirmation

00:46:47.340 i think that is the best case scenario it's like oh i was just a few cocktails in yeah that's why

00:46:51.880 i tweeted it because if you did it sober then i have some bigger questions you know it's about

00:46:57.120 your competence i mean the the biggest thing for me was um you like to get drunk in dc around a

00:47:04.620 bunch of these people that like i wouldn't want to be in a room with to be honest with you like

00:47:08.440 i don't want to spend my free time with these people at all but then on top of that to make

00:47:12.800 yourself vulnerable by getting wasted like that's so crazy soccer i mean the hockey thing crazy

00:47:19.200 i just crazy crazy and people defended him on that like oh he's celebrating us one like whatever

00:47:26.180 and let's okay fine whatever but now in retrospect when you realize that he clearly has a drinking

00:47:31.320 problem i think that was very strange it's just you can celebrate you can high five but it was

00:47:35.640 just like the whole it just felt very frat boy about it was very frat boy with the backdrop of

00:47:41.900 how poorly he's doing his job i mean i one thing that really stood out to me was the

00:47:49.660 guy who first attempted to assassinate donald trump i'm forgetting his name right now i don't

00:47:55.660 know why but um there were three assassination attempts in yeah i think his name is matthew

00:48:00.080 Crooks. Yes, perfect. OK, Matthew Crooks. So Tucker did this really great special on the lack of investigation into that and how much we were lied to by our FBI. Like the fact that the FBI told us that, oh, there's no online trail of this guy. And it turns out, no, he was actually pretty active online. Why did you lie to us about it?

00:48:20.640 And then he played a video of Kash Patel testifying about it in front of a congressional committee. And Patel was like, I can't disclose that information because there's a trial, except there isn't a trial. Crooks is dead. So, you know, like, we want to learn more about his motives. Like, where is he from? How did this happen? Like, what were the security failures? How come no one in the Secret Service got fired over this?

00:48:43.660 we're not getting any answers so i look at our government i'm just like this is all kabuki theater

00:48:49.020 and these people don't represent us they don't care about our safety they don't care about our

00:48:52.380 country they don't care about the injustices that get carried out against you know some of

00:48:58.260 the biggest public figures in the country so like how the hell am i supposed to trust this government

00:49:03.140 and it makes me increasingly angry to be honest with you when you see how much of our money how

00:49:09.980 much of our earnings goes toward a government that squanders it i would i would push back on

00:49:15.460 your point that cash patel isn't doing his job i think he is interesting i think that is his job

00:49:20.540 and that is why he is in there they put him in there and they tell him what to do and it is to

00:49:25.660 look the other way and to come up with excuses i think he is executing his job perfectly well he

00:49:31.320 hasn't been fired yet so his job is being executed perfectly his job is to protect the elites and

00:49:36.420 shame on us for thinking that his job is to make sure justice is served. And he paid all that lip

00:49:43.480 service. If I get in there day one, here's what's going to happen. None of those happens because he

00:49:47.700 went in there in the same way that Trump went in there. I don't know who their boss is. I actually

00:49:51.940 think both of them have the same boss, if I'm being frank. They both answer to Vegas and Tel

00:49:56.300 Aviv. But it's clear to me that he is doing a great job for the people that he actually works

00:50:02.820 for. And I obviously have a lot of resentment, particularly for Kash Patel, because of the

00:50:09.140 Charlie Kirk situation, looking at what he has done, the fact that he won't hand over the documents

00:50:13.900 and the theater of that, the theater of how they came out. And oh, gosh, it makes me so sick. You

00:50:21.600 have no idea how sick it all makes me to reflect upon just the fact that Charlie empowered these

00:50:27.340 people like that like it makes me sick well I mean look I so I started watching I had never

00:50:34.760 watched your show until after he was assassinated because I'm like there there's something off and

00:50:40.500 she knew him better than anyone else in the media so let me see what she's got but I've got so much

00:50:46.040 going on and it was hard to follow your like you know your investigation because there were so many

00:50:50.260 moving parts and I got to produce a show and so I just kind of like dropped off a little bit

00:50:54.980 but what were you saying about cash patel's refusal to handle for documents i don't know

00:51:00.840 about that so the trial i'm obviously on top of it because they i i really do think that what

00:51:07.360 they're so angry about right now more broadly speaking is that we're staying focused on things

00:51:12.320 we are designed to be an adhd culture that's charlie died yesterday i forgive him okay everybody

00:51:18.020 move on we're all good well let's move on she's moved on everyone forget about it uh epstein files

00:51:22.420 oh who are we talking about the epstein files okay good let's move on let's move on okay trump

00:51:26.120 says it's good and you're maga right here's some red meat you're maga trump said it you're the king 0.69

00:51:30.600 yeah and we're not doing that we're not we're not doing that and with this i was like i am not 0.79

00:51:36.200 moving on from this and so midterms exactly we've signed up we're getting the documents obviously

00:51:41.820 but the midterms and uh in this particular case so they uh obviously i sat down with erica and

00:51:48.040 she explained to me they were sort of moving towards this May date or where he hasn't even

00:51:52.360 entered in a plea yet, to be clear. And so in May, they're supposed to have this hearing and

00:51:57.420 there's limited discovery in that time frame. Because one of the questions I asked Erica

00:52:01.300 sincerely was, you're communicating to the public that you believe they have the right guy. So my

00:52:08.240 assumption when she was saying that to Barry Weiss was that obviously she has access to more

00:52:12.300 information than we have. She's involved in the case. She's listed as a victim on the case. She

00:52:16.840 can see stuff that we can't see maybe it's literally a clear video of tyler robinson coming

00:52:20.860 out and shooting charlie like open to that and when i sat down with her she was like oh no i

00:52:24.060 haven't i don't have anything more than the public has because we're now what happens is we have to

00:52:29.080 move towards this may date and the um sbi which is the uh bureau of investigations in utah is the

00:52:37.120 state investigations in utah they're going to go now find the all this evidence that tyler robinson

00:52:42.200 did it and tyler robinson then they presented that to tyler robinson's team and they then build

00:52:47.540 their sort of defense leading to this may date well it turns out that tyler robinson's team

00:52:53.840 false document and says we need to move the state because we have been asking for cash patel who

00:53:00.220 should not even be involved in this case mind you it's a state case to release the information to

00:53:04.940 us to give us these documents to his defense to his defense so like they're like they haven't even

00:53:09.900 give it to utah forget sbi he hasn't given to the sbi the defense doesn't have it and they're like

00:53:14.420 how are we going to have this hearing when they're going to get up there and essentially put on a show

00:53:18.880 trial and say your honor look at these messages where they're like we don't even know those

00:53:22.340 messages are real that's crazy so imagine you're you're we're moving toward this date and all they

00:53:27.360 have is what cash patel told us in the first 48 hours but they will not give them the discovery

00:53:33.200 on that they won't give them so like if i say anna texted me and said she did it and that they want

00:53:37.620 to say that i'll blah blah blah she hasn't even been able the defense has not even been able to

00:53:41.300 access tyler robinson's phone they haven't been able to see the gun nothing wow and what's holding

00:53:46.200 that up that is weird and also what's up with the arbitrary may date right yeah they so and that was

00:53:51.920 the thing they fought back immediately because they were like we want to make sure that like we

00:53:54.380 get the discovery that we're asking for and the judge was like oh it'll be fine don't worry about

00:53:57.700 it by then in may if we need to bump it we will and they all kind of agreed to that and now that

00:54:02.760 may is upon us um erica's team because she's a listed victim so when i say erica's team i mean

00:54:07.360 literally she's a victim in this case, is fighting them. They're like, no, we want to keep the May

00:54:11.060 date. And I'm like, why would you want to keep the May date? And I instantly alerted the public

00:54:16.240 to that. I'm like, they are not giving them. We have no idea. These shady messages. Did Cash

00:54:23.100 Patel, after a few beers, type them up? We don't know. We can't say no. That's so weird. You know,

00:54:28.820 so when it comes to Erica's behavior, like I will admit, like some of her behavior is odd,

00:54:33.500 right and off-putting and I try to give people the benefit of the doubt and I wonder if you know

00:54:40.020 her insistence that it's Tyler Robinson and nothing else is shady and like we need to pursue

00:54:46.420 this prosecution it's definitely him I wonder if it's because you know when a family member of

00:54:51.580 yours gets murdered or killed or harmed in some way usually the family members want closure so

00:54:57.560 badly that they as soon as there's a suspect they want that suspect to be the guilty one

00:55:01.860 and they just go for it full force and maybe that's what's informing her decisions to kind

00:55:08.960 of pursue it the way that she's pursuing it I don't know but I will say this I actually I don't

00:55:15.160 know how it would behave to be honest like I just think about how much I love my husband and I I

00:55:21.100 don't think anyone would see me for a few years like I just would not be able to go public I

00:55:25.600 wouldn't be able to have the strength to even talk in public about anything and so that stood

00:55:32.200 out to me about her but also she's a different person than me so i i just people people do grieve

00:55:38.600 differently i just know that the case itself has a few elements to it that raise some eyebrows

00:55:44.300 everyone in the media that's critical of you is like so vociferous that it kind of gave me

00:55:51.480 the idea that like the general public isn't with you until i told um female family members of mine

00:55:57.760 that i'm doing your show and they're just like oh my god i love candace i watch her every day and

00:56:01.000 i'm like really you're not mad at her because of the whole erica thing they're like no no and i'm

00:56:05.360 like really like i couldn't believe it so yeah clearly what you're seeing is something i mean

00:56:10.620 the numbers in your show like it's very highly viewed okay so obviously the people agree with

00:56:16.800 you that there's something off and i agree with you that there's something off i just don't know

00:56:19.940 what it is. Yeah. And I think that what you're describing is the process that we all went

00:56:26.360 through because you don't want to even go down that route. You're like, maybe it's this. Maybe

00:56:31.740 in my head, I was like, maybe she's being blackmailed. Maybe she's scared they're going

00:56:34.440 to kill her. Maybe like you said, she just wants a quick conclusion to all of this. Maybe she's

00:56:39.940 still in shell shock and is actually not controlling anything at Turning Point was my initial suspicion.

00:56:44.980 And just on paper, she's CEO, but she's actually just home crying every day and like behind the

00:56:48.780 scenes like you know Justin I went through that whole thing and for me I never wanted to arrive

00:56:55.440 at Erica being suspicious I didn't abstain from the like oh she's wearing hot pants with JD bits

00:57:02.780 none of that matters to me because I don't think people understand I needed it as a part of my

00:57:08.780 grieving process not to accept that plausibility because then for me beyond just having lost

00:57:15.800 charlie and having to wake up to then i then had to wake up to the idea that trump betrayed him in

00:57:21.400 a way and cash but everyone is betraying him and not wanting seeking more investigation what i i

00:57:28.980 had to go through to pursue that for it was i had to grieve again right because i knew how much

00:57:34.320 charlie wanted love like i have these messages like i was helping charlie draft text messages

00:57:40.080 and what should I say so I had to grieve again and go okay I need to like really just follow the

00:57:47.460 facts here and that's all I've done and um it's landed me at she's remarkably suspicious not

00:57:52.860 because of the way she dresses not because of whether or not she's crying enough all of that

00:57:56.260 kind of paints a picture that makes people uncomfortable but just objective lies objective

00:58:02.140 lies that I can't comprehend why would you lie and tell the public and I think for me the most

00:58:06.600 explosive one that no one wants to address by calling me a monster. Why would you lie and say

00:58:12.760 that the surgeon told you or told Andrew that he had a Superman neck and all of this stuff that

00:58:19.420 objectively did not come from the surgeon? It came from Erica. And why would you lie and tell

00:58:24.360 me that Andrew went rogue and sent that message when you did it with him? I can't make sense of

00:58:29.380 Yeah. A source, you know, a source. And I trust the source. And obviously, that's a strong statement to make. And so when Erica first said to me, I also didn't believe her. Right. So when she said, oh, I said, what's the Superman neck? And she said, oh, well, you know, Andrew went rogue. And then I said, the surgeon went rogue, though, and talked because the surgeon violated HIPAA and Andrew went rogue.

00:58:50.640 And beyond having the conversation, Andrew then tweeted without your permission.

00:58:53.960 Like, that's a lot to have had to happen.

00:58:55.640 I don't believe that the surgeon violated HIPAA and spoke to Andrew without your permission.

00:58:59.400 And I said that to her face.

00:59:00.620 I said, it's a tough one for me, but okay.

00:59:03.800 And then I got the information that, no, Erica actually called the surgeon.

00:59:08.500 It's a three-way call.

00:59:09.640 And she wanted to know what to tell the public about why the bullet didn't go through. 0.90

00:59:13.560 And that Superman neck thing came from her.

00:59:16.320 So the public was told from Andrew's tweet.

00:59:18.140 That's crazy.

00:59:18.700 So I'm like, I can't.

00:59:19.680 Somebody just defend it.

00:59:20.640 Somebody just tell me why that shouldn't completely unnerve me.

00:59:25.580 Donors, another huge one.

00:59:27.820 We're like, these are my two biggest things.

00:59:29.860 Donors saying that that video that hasn't existed yet, the AI, alleged AI of Charlie

00:59:37.880 saying, I appoint Erica to be the CEO.

00:59:40.540 Erica told me that he said that at an Aspen event.

00:59:43.200 I was like, okay, great.

00:59:44.520 Well, the Aspen people who were at the event said that never happened.

00:59:47.700 What?

00:59:47.760 These are the Turning Point USA donors who have contacted me and said, Candice, that is AI. He did not say that.

00:59:53.720 What?

00:59:54.360 Now, they have alleged that they have the video of that. Why do they only play the audio?

00:59:58.180 And then when I said, hey, guys, this is not normal. It doesn't actually really sound like Charlie. The cadence is somewhat off.

01:00:05.100 And I said, OK, so just drop the video so we can all put this to bed.

01:00:08.340 Not only that, people at Turning Point told me that he never said that at this event.

01:00:12.000 OK, so what am I left to do? You guys mentioned this to the public.

01:00:16.880 Like you said, that Charlie, two weeks before, I guess, had done a complete 180 on his entire life's perspective that women should stay home and raise the children and not be CEOs.

01:00:25.520 And suddenly he was like, you know what?

01:00:26.640 Actually, not only should women do it, but single women should do it. 0.99

01:00:29.300 Widows should do it. 1.00

01:00:30.480 And the kids should just be raised by the nanny and they should work 80-hour weeks.

01:00:34.000 That does seem uncharacteristic of Charlie Kirk.

01:00:36.600 It's completely uncharacteristic of everything he's ever said.

01:00:39.160 In fact, one of the last conversations I had with him was at the Democratic National Convention.

01:00:43.960 and um look i always appreciated the fact that he was down to debate right and that he didn't

01:00:49.080 ever let it get dirty like and so i i appreciated that and so we started debating about the role of

01:00:55.560 women and he basically said because i don't have children i don't plan on having children it's just

01:01:00.560 a decision that me and my husband made together and honestly i don't think that i have the right 0.96

01:01:05.100 temperament to be a mom in today's society because i will definitely kill people if they come anywhere

01:01:10.280 like what they're doing to my husband right now if they tried to like harm my kids prison I yeah 0.94

01:01:15.400 I can make myself at home hundred percent I don't give a damn that's how I am me I'm like fiercely

01:01:20.020 loyal and defensive of my family um but anyway um he told me well you know if you don't have kids

01:01:25.720 you don't really have a stake in the future of this country and I just remember being very offended

01:01:30.920 by that because I love this country so much and I definitely do have a stake in the future like I

01:01:35.580 have young, you know, nieces and nephews that I love to death. But even if I didn't, I love the

01:01:40.520 people of this country. Like I want it to succeed. And so and so in that conversation, he like really

01:01:46.220 reiterated what he believes the role of women should be. So then after he gets assassinated

01:01:52.500 and you don't really question it at first because you don't want to be that guy or that person who's

01:01:57.740 just like, I don't know, that sounds a little shady and weird. And you go along to get along.

01:02:02.420 That's a good example of a story where you go along to get along. But yeah, there was this feeling within me where it's like, well, maybe he was willing to go against his beliefs or his values because he wants to make sure that the business falls in the hands of a family member. Right. Maybe that's why. But I just I do find it strange. I do.

01:02:22.560 But it goes against common sense because not only the story we're being told is like, specifically, he said, if anything ever happens to me, meaning like if I get killed, I want my wife to be the next person that gets into the line of fire while my kids are at home.

01:02:33.540 Like, what?

01:02:34.100 Like, no.

01:02:34.540 Yeah, that's a good point.

01:02:35.320 Actually, your instinct is then, no, shut this down.

01:02:37.940 You go and move and stay away from politics forever and protect our children.

01:02:42.840 So it defies common sense.

01:02:44.280 And I know what Charlie's perspectives were, obviously, the life that he wanted and what he said every time anybody asked him on his podcast.

01:02:51.980 I mean, we have a decade of Charlie saying what he what his perspective perspective was on how women should stay home and there's no value in becoming a CEO.

01:02:58.660 And then suddenly it's whiplash.

01:03:00.020 And we're told actually right before he died, he just had this amazing 180 that nobody it was a private donor event.

01:03:05.680 And now the donors are saying it didn't happen.

01:03:07.920 And that that is AI.

01:03:09.840 OK, wow.

01:03:10.480 That's a very big claim that I am making.

01:03:13.000 Right. And I'm not making that claim, by the way, the donors are.

01:03:15.600 And they're contacting me and saying this never happened because they couldn't believe it because they said they were watching my podcast.

01:03:20.820 And when they had heard it initially, when Erica told the story to Megyn Kelly, they thought, oh, it must have been at the Hamptons or whatever it was.

01:03:27.220 And then when I said it was Aspen, they were shocked.

01:03:31.240 Wow.

01:03:31.900 This absolutely did not happen.

01:03:33.160 So if I'm lying about that, wouldn't you, if you're Andrew Colvett, instantly say, oh, here's the video, Candace.

01:03:40.160 Like, I don't know.

01:03:41.120 Maybe the donor forgot, but here it is.

01:03:42.820 And now we're suddenly going, why didn't they drop the video?

01:03:45.120 Yeah.

01:03:45.460 Like they had her walk out to the audio.

01:03:46.720 That would have been a very powerful.

01:03:48.240 Could you imagine?

01:03:49.240 Yeah.

01:03:49.500 you have a video of charlie on stage at an event and he says like i want erica kirk i appoint erica

01:03:54.440 kirk to be the ceo right like people would have had not had a dry eye in the place we would have

01:03:59.440 i think it would have like even more made people rally around her and said like okay i don't

01:04:03.500 love it but like it is it was like charlie's dying wish yeah and instead blake neff says

01:04:08.700 we're never dropping the video that's so weird it's bonkers and so i have there are real things

01:04:14.680 that are compelling me to continue this pursuit i'm not interested in the vanity of like you know

01:04:19.940 her outfits or her makeup and you're under tremendous fire right now i mean it's i can't

01:04:27.300 even imagine like people in the media are really going at it like just trying to you know attack

01:04:33.260 you for being cruel and and you know going after erica and like i do think that they put words in

01:04:38.880 your mouth sometimes and say things that you didn't actually say. But, you know, the other

01:04:44.100 thing that I mean, look, you tend to provide receipts when you have them. Right. And so

01:04:51.080 everyone was denying what you were saying about the very real pressure campaign that Charlie was

01:04:56.140 undergoing. And when you released those text messages, I was like, oh, my gosh, like this is

01:05:02.460 this is a big deal. And I'm not saying that it's definitive that there's like a connection to his

01:05:08.140 assassination but just knowing what he was going through personally behind the scenes in the months

01:05:15.180 leading up to his assassination is um information that maybe the fbi should be pursuing no or if you

01:05:22.400 if you are the wife of charlie kirk um wouldn't heads be rolling like what i like the last people

01:05:30.420 that would ever have a platform at turning point usa if i was the helm of it were the people who

01:05:35.220 stressed him out who pressured him who i would go to war with josh hammer okay if that were my

01:05:40.560 husband and josh hammer was lying about what my husband actually believed i would be at war with

01:05:47.740 him right till this day immediate partnership with all of all of his enemies it's crazy yeah

01:05:52.660 that kind of stuff is weird i can't make sense of that everybody knows ben and charlie hate each

01:05:57.000 other like it's like it's just a known thing in politics like they just never got along

01:06:00.500 and then he's opening and it doesn't make sense to me setting aside my personal feelings for ben

01:06:05.980 uh which were always in line with charlie's because of how he behaves behind the scenes

01:06:09.520 how do you explain that yeah he comes in with a million dollar check sits in a chair and then

01:06:14.580 just says not okay it's like that doesn't make sense to the public because a normal reaction

01:06:19.280 to a loved one is everybody who caused them grief who put pressure on their donors who uh how about

01:06:24.940 me having to be the one to tell people that he the night before texted and said that he thought

01:06:31.900 they were going to kill him and not only that but she explicitly denied that until i clocked it and

01:06:37.960 said well andrew colbert told me that he was one of the ones that received it and then it became

01:06:41.740 the story about oh maybe it was in telegram dan flood received a message as well it wasn't on

01:06:46.500 telegram it was on iMessage so who did who deleted it or were you lying or did somebody delete it

01:06:52.680 OK, I want to give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe someone took his phone in between and deleted all that. I don't even know why you have his phone, actually. I feel like that should be in evidence. But it becomes increasingly hard that no one is attacking the substance of what I'm presenting. They're just saying, like, how dare you? How dare you keep telling the truth about what Charlie was going through? How dare you present to the public that he did not die a Judeo-Christian and that he was angry with how he was being treated?

01:07:19.260 Well, there was one other thing that I thought was interesting, right? The audio of Tyler Robinson's grandfather. Remember, Tyler Robinson allegedly was like turned in by his family. His family knew he was guilty.

01:07:35.460 No, it turns out his grandfather, whose weapon he allegedly used to carry out the assassination, was there at the trial defending his grandson. But we were all led to believe that the family knew that Tyler Robinson is guilty and are not supporting him in this process.

01:07:53.160 Everything has been a lie. And I've told the public that I'm like, when this case gets going, you're going to see that everything's a lie. And so we are left asking the question is, why are they lying? And I'm sorry that we're rational thinkers. And we are seeing how I don't trust my government. Like, it's that simple. I just don't trust the government. That's where we're at. So I feel like anyone who doesn't have a healthy dose of skepticism needs to get some.

01:08:18.380 okay because bb's radical denials when no one was pointing the finger at him was also kind of just

01:08:23.260 like weird yeah i didn't kill charlie kirk i didn't i didn't kill charlie kirk why why are you saying

01:08:28.280 that right now i know that was pretty wild first of all why was he on a u.s media tour on the day

01:08:34.980 that he got assassinated like i don't care what netanyahu thinks about anything that happens in

01:08:40.280 our country at all he should be in prison for the rest of his life uh as a war criminal because

01:08:45.340 that's what he is. Why are we hosting him on media shows here in the U.S. to chime in on Charlie

01:08:52.220 Kirk's assassination? It's bonkers. It's so crazy. Like, I thought that was strange on day one.

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01:11:08.560 you're right i mean i have resisted

01:11:16.460 but like allowing myself to believe that there's like a wider conspiracy because you just don't

01:11:23.060 want to believe it but i will say this i nothing adds up like this whole situation doesn't add up

01:11:29.140 and i do find it very strange that the person who wants to ask questions and look you might pursue

01:11:35.400 threads that don't go anywhere and i think people have a problem with that right they feel like oh

01:11:39.880 you're incriminating individuals who are innocent like that's the big argument i hear against you

01:11:43.480 but i don't think you'd be pursuing this if you felt like there was an adequate investigation

01:11:47.460 being done and i myself agree with you that there isn't an adequate investigation being done and he

01:11:52.900 went toe-to-toe with bb and he won over the iran war and i think that people have to understand

01:11:57.200 that we're sitting here talking about how he feels nothing as he mass murders children the way that

01:12:01.720 he lies is also there's something so psychopathic about it when he just gets on and pretends he's 0.89

01:12:06.460 perpetually the victim and he's just killing people all day every day he's a homicidal maniac 0.85

01:12:11.080 i know who is supported by the halls of congress who gets a standing ovation when he walks into

01:12:15.740 congress it's disgusting so if that's possible if it's plausible for these people not to want to

01:12:20.760 spit in his direction when he walks by them, then we have to imagine that, would you think

01:12:25.480 you'd have an issue doing something to Charlie Kirk? It means nothing to these. And I'm not

01:12:30.420 saying that we have evidence that Bibi Netanyahu did, but I am saying that the way in which he

01:12:36.180 reacted and me knowing how they wanted this war so badly and that Charlie at first stood in the

01:12:41.720 way of it, literally debated and got Trump not to do anything more than that limited military

01:12:48.620 operation um when they when they bombed fordow and the other was in tons the other nuclear sites

01:12:54.640 and bb was pissed and then we fast forward charlie's out of the way and what are we doing

01:12:58.820 everything bb wanted to be done so it's hard for us not to just piece together a comprehensive

01:13:02.820 story here i mean it is wild that the chief of staff suzy wiles worked on benjamin netanyahu's

01:13:09.060 2020 re-election campaign she is the gatekeeper to the president of the united states uh what was

01:13:15.820 that guy's name a former trump administration official who's now like running like a propaganda

01:13:21.220 arm of the israeli government as we speak uh not cory lewandowski um he worked on he got arrested

01:13:29.980 once for like a domestic case and now he's like working for the israeli government doing

01:13:35.580 propaganda i had no idea yeah i parscale rad parscale i do i do know what you're talking

01:13:42.620 about that's the clock tower media yeah yeah yeah so it's you see these connections and those

01:13:49.320 connections are proven this is not a conspiracy they're just proven and they kind of like rub it

01:13:53.700 in our faces and it's just like okay well you can't be upset when people don't trust the government

01:13:59.620 because of all this foreign influence and when people keep getting hurt and there are these like

01:14:05.300 weird what appears to be sham investigations i mean another example is donald trump one thing

01:14:11.920 that i think everyone can agree on regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum is that

01:14:16.080 trump is unable to let a grudge go he will hold a grudge for the rest of his life but when it comes

01:14:22.860 to his would-be assassins we never hear him say a damn word about it strange so strange a lot of

01:14:29.620 people now are kind of revisiting butler and starting to talk about what happened there or

01:14:33.920 what didn't happen thereafter and it is i i don't know i and it's a scary thing for me because i was

01:14:41.460 so invested and oh my goodness you know Trump was saved there must be a broader reason for that

01:14:49.080 and I have checked myself a thousand times since the since the Charlie investigation I've realized

01:14:56.220 what real evil we're up against and this kind of gets into what you're saying about how you

01:15:00.820 were atheist for a long time but now yeah you're realizing this is bigger there yeah I mean I good

01:15:06.540 versus evil like these demons versus angels i mean i i definitely think that over the last two

01:15:13.520 and a half years i've been able to identify the existence of evil that i didn't think existed

01:15:18.900 and that pushed me a little closer to my roots because i grew up christian i wouldn't say that

01:15:27.620 i'm like a full-blown christian again but i'm now realizing that there's i've had some experiences

01:15:34.400 too, which I haven't really talked about too much publicly, mostly because after Tucker Carlson

01:15:39.920 talked about his supernatural experience, people dunked on him, including myself, and I'm very

01:15:43.540 embarrassed about that. Mine wasn't like, oh, I got attacked by demons. Mine was actually a very

01:15:50.320 positive experience, and it made me very close to humanity, like understanding and appreciating

01:15:58.880 people's humanity first and foremost before seeing them as nothing more than like a political

01:16:04.540 figure or a political ideology you know i think that we've been going back to brainwashing i think

01:16:10.300 a lot of us have been brainwashed by our political system into dehumanizing people who disagree with

01:16:15.320 us without realizing that like the only way we come up with solutions in this country in a democracy

01:16:20.720 is if we encourage conversation between americans regardless of what they believe politically

01:16:28.220 it tends to have a more moderating effect as well, right?

01:16:32.380 And you get a better sense of who your fellow Americans are

01:16:34.940 as opposed to having people in positions of power

01:16:37.680 tell you who your fellow Americans are

01:16:40.560 and scare you about the other side and all of that.

01:16:43.660 And so I just feel like there's something bigger than us.

01:16:48.960 And it's hard to explain.

01:16:51.020 I'm not really big into religious doctrine per se,

01:16:53.960 but I definitely don't think I'm an atheist anymore.

01:16:57.440 Yeah, this is the first time I've said that publicly, which is which is amazing. I mean, I think it's something's on the move. And I keep saying that it feels like there are so many people that are having that sort of a spiritual awakening, if that's what you want to call it, and recognizing, whoa, what is happening is so evil that it is ancient. There's something ancient about what's happening right now.

01:17:15.260 Yeah. And the answers are not going to be in these fickle day by day discussions. And we need to what actually has been happening since the beginning of time. And when you for me, that was kind of the most natural thing where I was like, wow, this is like way deeper than I ever imagined. And you're right. It's something happens that is so it's like evil by biblical proportions. Right. It's like biblical. This can't be you can't be we can't be the same species if you're OK with what they're doing.

01:17:40.380 Like there's something so much deeper. What is motivating you to be OK with the genocide? I need to figure this out. And I have been in that pursuit, I think, heavily since definitively since obviously my firing and me not comprehending everything. And I feel it has put me it has driven me even more. Like I'm like, OK, I get this now.

01:18:00.400 Yeah. And I love that you're willing to have people like, you know, Norm Finkelstein on, Bassem Youssef. Like, those are some of my favorite episodes of yours. I watched it. And Bassem Youssef got a little—I'm sure I'm going to get a lot of heat, too. Oh, you're talking to Candace Owens. Whatever. He got a little bit of heat on that. And I'm so happy to see that he pushed back. He's like, okay, you don't like Candace. Who cares?

01:18:22.020 yeah get over it we need more of that yeah we have to like take this thing out of it because

01:18:26.140 we're fighting real evil and so we just i just really want to say that like if you think you

01:18:30.900 hate someone on the left like does is that person like my i think my litmus test is like gaza like

01:18:36.240 you know my litmus test has somehow become gaza where i'm like someone else finally said it

01:18:39.960 same for me same for me it's funny because i went through at least a year and a half being like

01:18:46.760 deeply deeply bitter toward the left because of how they reacted toward me when i started to like

01:18:54.000 moderate literally on like two issues um the way we were handling crime policy and and by the way

01:19:00.380 i don't want to go back to like tough on crime throw everyone in prison i was just like hey i

01:19:04.980 live in california we need to just calibrate a little bit because this isn't working out

01:19:08.820 um and then there was one other issue i can't remember what it is at the moment but

01:19:12.980 they like threw me away and like longtime friends of mine like just started putting out like negative

01:19:19.460 content about me and it like I was bitter about it but after everything that happened in Gaza

01:19:24.700 I have a pretty strict policy right now you are against what's happening in Gaza that means to

01:19:31.720 your core you're a good person so who cares what you did to me I'm not attacking you I consider you

01:19:37.040 a good person and so you're on my side even if we have these little squabbles and these

01:19:40.980 disagreements who cares if you care about making this country better and you're willing to sacrifice

01:19:46.280 you know your the purity of your political brand or whatever to work with people that you might

01:19:51.300 have other disagreements with i love you i want to work with you you're a good person i just i

01:19:56.960 don't want to waste any of my time anymore with these like nonsense little squabbles when like

01:20:01.960 our country is under attack okay our government doesn't represent us money moneyed interest

01:20:08.520 control us foreign influence is out of control we have problems that are way bigger than like

01:20:14.800 i don't know what you think about yeah even crime policy right like okay you don't agree with me on

01:20:20.920 crime policy it's fine whatever doesn't mean you're a bad person and you can attack me if you

01:20:25.160 want but i just the reason why i don't want to attack back at this point is because it's not

01:20:30.680 important in the grand scheme of things yeah you are absolutely right okay so i want to ask you in

01:20:36.140 closing what are your predictions for i would say this this just this next year because like

01:20:41.580 i go back to that something feels very fragile right now everyone's lashing out they seem like

01:20:46.140 they've lost control trump like he's really completely lost his support he doesn't want

01:20:52.840 to acknowledge it they're kind of keeping him in a cave of fox news every day yep telling him

01:20:57.200 he's amazing also fake news cnn says 100 i have 110 support what are your predictions like what

01:21:03.300 do you feel toward him and where we're at right now as a nation so there have been a lot of

01:21:11.620 liberals who are worried that trump if he gets re-elected as he did he's never going to leave

01:21:16.480 the white house i'm not worried about that at all um i think that in order to do a literal coup

01:21:22.560 you would need popular support among your base and he's losing that support um big time i think

01:21:28.940 the popularity of Tucker Carlson gives me a look into what the conservative movement is evolving

01:21:37.500 toward. At least I'm hoping that's the case because he's very much conservative. Don't get

01:21:43.020 me wrong. I mean, like he's still, you know, anti-abortion, you know, all the conservative

01:21:47.540 values that have existed when it comes to social issues. But he woke up to the neocons. He woke up

01:21:54.080 to the big game that's being played with our money, our resources, with our reputations

01:21:59.980 as Americans. And he's speaking out against it and he's taking a huge risk. And guess what?

01:22:05.280 He's got a lot of support, not just from conservatives, but also I'm noticing, you know,

01:22:12.760 the biggest voting bloc now are independents. And he has a lot of support among independents

01:22:18.020 as well. I'm even seeing some hardcore lefties, like, reluctantly admit, like, Tucker's right

01:22:24.100 about this, you know. And I love it. I love that. Be honest with yourself. Who cares about the

01:22:29.440 labels? What are your values? And stick to those values. And if you do that, you have to give Tucker

01:22:34.880 Carlson credit for being as vociferous as he's been against Israel's influence on the United

01:22:41.780 States, what's been going down in the Middle East, how much we have lost in blood and treasure 0.53

01:22:46.880 when it came to forever wars that were fought on behalf of Israel in the past.

01:22:50.820 And by the way, this is not, I want to be clear, this is not a partisan thing.

01:22:54.280 Like, this foreign policy is very much bipartisan.

01:22:56.880 Under Obama, and a lot of people don't know this, 0.60

01:23:00.140 we wanted to assist Israel in turning Syria into a failed state. 0.79

01:23:04.480 And we certainly succeeded in that mission.

01:23:06.900 So under Obama, we started arming literal terrorists, including, like, al-Qaeda offshoots.

01:23:13.600 Al-Nusrat.

01:23:14.300 Yes, al-Nusrat, exactly. 0.57

01:23:16.420 How the hell could anyone defend that?

01:23:18.940 It's so wrong.

01:23:19.760 And so we need people who are awake to how much this puts Americans at a disadvantage, how evil and immoral all this behavior has been.

01:23:30.660 I hate the way that people across the globe perceive us. 0.99

01:23:35.220 You know, Iran, their propaganda has been very effective. 1.00

01:23:39.080 Fantastic. 0.99

01:23:39.640 Yeah, their legal videos are amazing.

01:23:41.200 And the one they put out recently where they're speaking directly to the American people and telling us like, we actually love you guys. We have no problem with you guys. We know it's your government and that they're not representing what you want.

01:23:53.600 It was a sigh of relief. I'm like, please do not grow up and think that we support this geriatric pedophile defending like Epstein class of psychopaths. We don't want this. We do not want this war. We want to go about our day, have low gas prices, be able to afford groceries. 0.98

01:24:09.960 and when they put that out that message it was like they are plugged in yeah they are they're

01:24:15.040 plugged into how the american people feel so trump does not comprehend that he is completely removed

01:24:20.360 from it and now you have iran and they have pretty much done everything the right way we're trying to

01:24:25.320 negotiate we're killing people while we're negotiating i know crazy it is crazy what we did

01:24:29.500 and americans are awake to that they are so that's what gives me hope so my my prediction for the

01:24:35.280 future is I don't think the political landscape is going to look anything like it has over the

01:24:41.620 last, I don't know, 25 years. I think things are changing. I think Americans are uniting on issues

01:24:48.300 that matter the most. And that gives me hope. So as negative as all the issues we've been talking

01:24:54.360 about are, the fact of the matter is we are kind of moving in a better direction. At least the

01:25:00.280 people of this country are and we need to find a way we need to start strategizing on how to change 0.96

01:25:06.520 the political class entirely all of them okay and the chuck schumers on the on the democratic side

01:25:13.440 they got to go they got to go totally agree yeah well you guys it has been an absolute honor to

01:25:19.480 host anna kasparian i am sure there will be backlash actually not for me my audience is

01:25:23.120 very split now because i'm really yeah i'm not like i know like the females in my family who

01:25:28.200 were watching you i was like i was pretty shocked yeah you know because i just hate everybody

01:25:32.880 shout out to lily rodriguez by the way shout out to lily rodriguez rodriguez yeah i have just not

01:25:38.220 i just don't care anymore i we have to do more of this it is the only way we're going to save

01:25:41.560 this country against the epstein class and um so if you're anti-pedophile pedophiles if you are 0.58

01:25:47.000 um against what is going on in gaza then we really are actually on the right side um we're on the

01:25:53.120 same side on the right side i should say the same side the same side um thank you guys so much we'll

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Candace Owens - May 28, 2026

Candace Owens x Ana Kasparian

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