Candace Owens - Candace Owens x Dave Smith

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00:00:30.000 All right, I'm going to just jump right into this because I'm so excited to have you back.

00:00:33.220 I guess, or I guess not really back.

00:00:34.380 This is the first time it's just Candace.

00:00:36.280 That's true.

00:00:37.080 Yeah, the last time I did your show, it had a feeling like the next time I do this show,

00:00:41.360 it's going to be in a different place.

00:00:43.040 You know, PBD accurately predicted that as well,

00:00:46.080 but he told me that that was his favorite thing to watch was the conversation between me and you.

00:00:51.240 Oh, yeah?

00:00:51.580 Because we both were just like, you're a massive talent.

00:00:53.680 And it's obvious that you're on your rocket ship, as they say,

00:00:57.320 where people are realizing like, wait, who is this guy?

00:00:59.900 He's just supposed to be a comedian, but he actually knows so much about politics.

00:01:03.360 I promise it's more of a comment on the rest of society than it is on me.

00:01:07.360 I should be just a comedian.

00:01:09.580 I feel about me too, where I'm like, I think all I said was like,

00:01:12.140 black people don't have to be Democrats.

00:01:13.880 Democrats, and then things exploded, and I don't really know why because it wasn't that genius.

00:01:18.080 Well, there's something about it, like, too, that your first, I think, take that really launched into this chapter of your career

00:01:24.640 was just like, I sure do feel bad about all these dead Palestinian babies.

00:01:28.980 And, you know, and then everybody's like, what, do you hate Jewish people?

00:01:31.700 And you're like, okay, that's, that's an, you know, it's Tucker Carlson.

00:01:35.520 By the way, I should say Patrick Bet-David is great.

00:01:37.320 I love that guy, and his whole operation is incredible.

00:01:39.580 But you ever hear the thing Tucker Carlson said?

00:01:42.540 I really liked it, where he said, you know if a wound is infected because you touch it and you recoil.

00:01:48.520 And there's, like, something about that in life in general where you, like, find these infections.

00:01:53.520 It's almost like when you just say something really simple, and then everyone's like, oh, it's like, wait, if that's controversial,

00:01:58.800 there's something sinister going on here.

00:02:00.900 And it's almost like that's like, you're like, wait, if you're telling me I feel bad about seeing a dead baby,

00:02:05.900 and that's offensive, then I need to, like, I need to read a lot more about what's going on here,

00:02:11.500 because something evil is happening.

00:02:12.960 That's me.

00:02:13.440 I'm just so curious when I see, and I think another colloquial way to say, is they say it's a hit dog that hollers.

00:02:18.440 Right.

00:02:18.960 Perfect example of that was when I tweeted genocide is always wrong, and Dave Rubin just spazzed.

00:02:24.280 And I just was like, what is happening right now?

00:02:26.620 Why are you freaking out?

00:02:28.280 Completely had it wrong.

00:02:29.000 I wasn't even talking about Israel in that tweet.

00:02:30.320 I was talking about Brian Mass and something that he said in Congress.

00:02:32.320 But the way people responded, the fact that it got, like, 40,000 retweets, and I'm going,

00:02:37.660 this used to be a totally acceptable thing to say that everyone agreed on that we shouldn't be aspiring to genocide,

00:02:43.060 and suddenly it's like this hot topic, and people were covering me all the time.

00:02:47.080 And from that moment on, I was just on the hit list.

00:02:49.560 You know what I'm talking about, the hit list, where you've said a thing, we don't accept the thing,

00:02:54.040 so now we're just going to, I guess, try to psychologically wear you down by writing hit pieces of things that you didn't say

00:03:00.340 to try to convince the general public that you're the crazy one, and we're not just psychopaths that believe in genocide.

00:03:05.840 Yeah.

00:03:06.560 Yeah, being against genocide shouldn't be too controversial.

00:03:09.480 But it is.

00:03:09.940 It is today.

00:03:10.700 And you are, I think, obviously, you are right at the heart of it, because you're like me during BLM.

00:03:15.680 I was black, saying common sense, like, hey, I know that there's white people here, but they were never slave owners,

00:03:21.100 and we can't just take all their money and take their jobs and tell them to literally, at one point,

00:03:27.160 they were getting on their hands and knees and cleaning black people's shoes at the height of BLM.

00:03:32.060 I remember.

00:03:33.320 And I was against that, and I said, this is kind of crazy.

00:03:35.200 Like, hey, you're now the Jewish person who's saying common sense, like, hey, this is kind of crazy.

00:03:41.900 Like, America shouldn't be pledging allegiance to everything that Israel wants to do,

00:03:47.100 and I think that's what slanted you in some hot water.

00:03:49.460 Well, I think, and there's a lot of parallels there.

00:03:51.860 You know, not everything.

00:03:53.440 There's differences in the situation.

00:03:55.240 But I think one of the parallels is also that it's, like, as you were saying with the Black Lives Matter stuff,

00:04:00.580 that also, like, hey, this isn't good for us.

00:04:03.640 Like, it's not even just, like, first and foremost, it's not right.

00:04:06.340 But even additionally to that, like, this isn't helping black people any.

00:04:10.320 Some white dude doing some performance ritual of, like, cleaning your shoes or whatever,

00:04:15.020 this doesn't actually do anything for black people.

00:04:16.840 This isn't elevating us to, like, the next level.

00:04:18.820 This isn't, like, getting the black people who are struggling in America out of poverty or something like that.

00:04:24.480 None of this helps.

00:04:25.360 And, in fact, all you're doing, really, is kind of getting, like, privileged black people

00:04:29.660 who were already going to be fine a nicer house.

00:04:32.900 Right.

00:04:33.220 That's not, this is nothing.

00:04:34.800 And I kind of do feel the same way.

00:04:36.480 Like, first and foremost, I think what Israel's doing to the Palestinians is wrong.

00:04:40.660 Even, actually, first and foremost, I think it's, my country should not be involved in it

00:04:45.240 because it's hurting my country.

00:04:46.580 But on top of that, after that, I guess, I also don't think this is good for Jewish people.

00:04:51.200 I don't think this is good for Israel and then more broadly for Jewish people.

00:04:54.780 I think this is creating a whole lot of resentment against them.

00:04:58.120 It's actually, like, this kind of sick, self-fulfilling prophecy where you are creating the conditions

00:05:05.080 where actually something really bad could happen.

00:05:07.920 And I don't want to see that.

00:05:09.280 And that's what I was saying to black people.

00:05:10.660 I was just, like, if you think that because people are pretending to like you because they're

00:05:14.640 fearful of losing their jobs, that means they really like you.

00:05:16.660 Like, that's not what you want.

00:05:17.860 You want people to just like you, right?

00:05:19.320 Because you're going, this is a good person.

00:05:21.240 And I think that I want to work with this person because they're hardworking, because they're

00:05:24.880 intelligent, when they know that basically they got thugged into this, what do you think

00:05:29.520 is going on behind closed doors?

00:05:30.800 What do you think they're actually saying about you behind closed doors?

00:05:32.720 I don't want people to look at me and think that everywhere that I am, it's simply because

00:05:36.100 BLM went crazy following George Floyd and they're just terrified to lose their jobs.

00:05:40.000 And so they're just sort of subjecting themselves to this harassment.

00:05:43.920 Because at a certain point, BLM just became a full throttle harassment of white people in every

00:05:48.200 single regard.

00:05:48.800 And it is interesting because I recognized that the people that were responding initially

00:05:54.440 to the George Floyd thing were doing so out of a, what I describe as a childhood trigger.

00:05:59.880 I think a lot of the things that we've been conditioned and a lot of our responses are due

00:06:04.340 to childhood traumas that are happening in the classroom.

00:06:06.900 So they've got us public school system, you know, Jimmy Carter kind of signed in the Department

00:06:11.420 of Education into law.

00:06:12.520 I think it was in 1970.

00:06:13.960 And at that very moment, they were like, okay, now we can propaganda, propagandize these kids

00:06:19.380 and they'll have triggers.

00:06:20.280 They don't even realize the triggers when they become adults.

00:06:22.420 And so for black people, we are learning without us even realizing it, that slavery, you know,

00:06:27.380 slavery, slavery, slavery, um, racism is like the worst even that could possibly exist.

00:06:31.660 Think about, you go through this emotional conditioning.

00:06:34.340 This could happen any day.

00:06:35.340 So it becomes very easy when people who want to achieve power that just go, Hey, black America,

00:06:39.000 like Trump's about to get elected.

00:06:40.780 You're going to be back in chains.

00:06:42.180 And black Americans believe that.

00:06:43.820 Like it's so, it's such a ridiculous thing, a ridiculous notion that in 2020, had Trump

00:06:49.460 had been elected that 2016 party, had he had been elected, we would go back and change.

00:06:53.740 But the majority of black Americans legitimately believe this because the media was insisting

00:06:56.980 on it.

00:06:57.200 And then we had this childhood trauma, Jewish Americans, it's the Holocaust, right?

00:07:00.400 It's like, we spend a lot of time studying the Holocaust and it's actually a trigger for

00:07:04.160 all Americans, myself included.

00:07:06.300 And I saw this happening where instantly, whatever happened in Israel, the first thing that was

00:07:11.720 being correlated was the Holocaust.

00:07:13.220 Yeah.

00:07:14.240 Yeah.

00:07:14.680 No, I mean, when I was, uh, when I debated Dennis Prager for, uh, that Zero Hedge, uh,

00:07:19.860 debate, there was one point where he was, uh, and I don't know if you could capture this

00:07:24.180 on video, but I was only like a few feet away from him, but there was one point where he

00:07:27.740 was talking about Jew hatred and how it's a different virus than everything else.

00:07:31.960 And he was like, get his eyes were getting watery.

00:07:34.640 Like he was like getting emotional.

00:07:36.020 Like he believed it, you know what I mean?

00:07:37.780 And there was almost like a moment.

00:07:39.320 I almost wanted to like put my arm around him and be like, Hey man, like none of this

00:07:44.560 is real, dude.

00:07:45.380 So like, it's okay.

00:07:46.180 You don't have to be scared.

00:07:47.220 Like there's not about to be another Holocaust.

00:07:48.860 That's just not.

00:07:49.960 And there is like this deep rooted trauma that like gets passed on through generations where

00:07:56.440 it's like this real belief that this could happen at any moment.

00:08:00.040 And I just don't, you know, I was, uh, somebody on, on Twitter told me recently the other day

00:08:05.100 that they said, um, they go 20% of Americans want to see Jewish people exterminated and they

00:08:13.240 go, they'll never say that, but about 20%, which first off kind of begs the question of

00:08:17.660 like, well, how did you scientifically arrive at this number of 20?

00:08:21.160 Like if they won't say that, how do you just know?

00:08:23.140 But, but also just that's totally not true.

00:08:25.560 Like even, listen, even amongst like people who do hate Jews, like even like, think of

00:08:32.800 like whatever it is, whoever the person on, on Twitter, who you're like, that guy really

00:08:36.120 does hate Jews, even amongst his following, it's not 20% who actually want to see Jews

00:08:42.300 exterminated.

00:08:43.240 It's just not true.

00:08:44.280 20% of the broader American people that, but imagine if you're living in a world in your

00:08:50.040 mind where you think 20% of our society wants to see you and your kids.

00:08:55.560 And your grandma all murdered.

00:08:58.120 I mean, you're going to make, you're going to make different calculations than if you're

00:09:02.520 dealing with real life.

00:09:04.440 And then that's also being reinforced by the media.

00:09:06.480 So it's like, if you have that trauma coming up and then you're going, oh my gosh, could

00:09:09.520 this be?

00:09:09.900 And then the media is like, yes, you are going to be in chains.

00:09:12.760 That, that little feeling you had is completely valid.

00:09:15.040 And the, this is what happened.

00:09:16.800 The MAGA people want to bring back the slave boats and they want to, you to be picking cotton

00:09:21.960 again in the South people.

00:09:23.180 It's absurd.

00:09:24.020 It's an absurd notion, but people believe it because they are naturally emotional because

00:09:30.420 of their high childhood education.

00:09:32.000 And then when you couple that with the media, that's why I think the most important thing

00:09:35.700 for people to learn about is the fact that you had people like Edward Bernays who were

00:09:41.480 seeing how you could experiment, the nephew of Sigmund Freud, how you could experiment and

00:09:46.500 how psychology could become this tool to modify human behavior.

00:09:50.580 That you could get people to quite literally not believe their own eyes.

00:09:54.660 Like if you say something enough, they will become irrational.

00:09:57.980 Like they will say, even though I'm objectively looking at Candace Owens, I need to believe

00:10:04.100 now that she is an internalized hating black person bigot and that she's not really black

00:10:10.940 rather than to think that maybe she just doesn't agree with what BLM is doing.

00:10:14.980 Well, that's why Bernays is such a fascinating figure, because it's like that the connection

00:10:19.820 between like marketing and propaganda and how it all works on our subconscious and our

00:10:25.420 kind of irrational brains.

00:10:27.560 But like if you just think about the fact that, you know, when they'll say like what it costs

00:10:33.000 to have a billboard in Times Square or, you know, like some huge Coca-Cola billboard and

00:10:37.200 they'll be like, that's, you know, $300 million to have that all year long.

00:10:40.680 What's crazy is that that's worth it to Coca-Cola.

00:10:43.820 Like it's worth it to pay whatever the number is, you know what I mean?

00:10:47.040 Like insane amounts of money just to have a huge Coca-Cola billboard at the top of Times

00:10:52.120 Square because in all of our, you know, monkey brains that goes like legitimacy.

00:10:57.920 I mean, look, they're up there in these big lights and that's worth it to them to pay.

00:11:02.520 And so you just notice this in general with like, like what you were talking about with

00:11:05.860 people who come up in public schools and the way they're propagandized, it's like they're

00:11:10.540 taught to, you know, like when they accuse people of, um, dog whistles, like they're taught

00:11:18.320 to hear dog whistles that that person is not even whistling, right?

00:11:23.360 That person might, you know, like make America great again.

00:11:25.560 Well, you know what that means, you know, when America was great, you know what they're

00:11:28.760 saying, they're saying enslave you, even though that was never set.

00:11:33.120 Like if I, if I were to go and give a talk at a college campus, which I never will, but

00:11:39.160 let's just say hypothetically, I was invited to go talk to like regular liberal arts college

00:11:43.320 kids.

00:11:43.940 I mean, they're so it's not that they would hear my argument and then say, no,

00:11:48.240 look, we have a counter argument that we disagree with you.

00:11:50.460 We've been taught this or whatever.

00:11:51.720 It's that they'd hear what I say and they'd immediately know in their soul that what I'm

00:11:57.240 really trying to say is that I'm a terrible person.

00:12:00.460 I'm a bigot or say, you know what I mean?

00:12:01.680 Like they're trained to already dismiss your argument before you can even make your argument

00:12:07.560 or anything.

00:12:08.260 You know, if you say, if you say blacks instead of, you know, African-Americans or whatever,

00:12:13.300 they already hear you're a bigot.

00:12:15.080 If you were, if you say something like it, you know, whatever the argument might be, you

00:12:20.300 can't even get to that argument because they're already trained to be like, you know, this

00:12:24.360 Pavlonian like trick of like, nope, I, I already know you're a bad person.

00:12:28.920 That stuff works.

00:12:30.080 It really works.

00:12:30.840 And what's so interesting is that these are Soviet tools.

00:12:33.380 And the reason why they do target the youth is because you're naturally more inclined to

00:12:37.280 emotion when you're younger.

00:12:38.060 Like you think about your high school relationship for most people versus like the person that you

00:12:41.340 marry, like when you are young, it is just raw emotion at all times.

00:12:45.540 Everything is that you're perceiving as a reality is a lot, a lot of times just your

00:12:50.300 emotion.

00:12:51.300 And so they even program, they think carefully about what books they even want you to read

00:12:55.700 at a certain age, because it will leave an indelible mark on you.

00:12:58.320 It will leave an indelible mark on your childhood to read something that's so horrific.

00:13:01.000 And you actually don't even know what the facts are.

00:13:03.500 You just know how you felt when you read something.

00:13:05.920 And again, that will eventually elicit a response because everything is political at the end

00:13:10.840 of the day.

00:13:11.380 They're doing that intentionally to train children to believe in certain concepts, to disbelieve

00:13:15.740 certain concepts, and to react to things.

00:13:17.920 Even when the concepts are obscure, we need you to react.

00:13:20.480 So we're just going to somehow say that this thing that is racist is not, that this thing

00:13:24.140 is anti-Semitic, that is actually not.

00:13:25.820 Something that's so rational, which is like, hey, it's obviously not acceptable, which was

00:13:29.760 a weird moment when you were debating Ami, when I was like, would it be acceptable if

00:13:34.380 Bibi Netanyahu killed every last Palestinian to get to Hamas?

00:13:38.600 And he just couldn't instantly say, no, that wouldn't be acceptable.

00:13:41.860 Like, it's such a wild concept.

00:13:43.740 And he did get there.

00:13:44.680 He got there, I think, once I kind of said to him, like, that makes me very uncomfortable.

00:13:48.600 But you see where he's got to, like, almost check in his own mind.

00:13:51.380 He's like, wait, cannot, would this, you know, like, what are the implications of me saying

00:13:56.000 this?

00:13:56.160 And then eventually to get, whereas this should just be like a knee jerk, obviously, that's

00:14:00.180 not okay.

00:14:00.760 No, we're not going to kill every civilian.

00:14:01.880 Of course that's not okay.

00:14:02.680 But then you almost have to wonder, like, well, what's the implication of that?

00:14:05.660 And of course it is.

00:14:06.700 It's really, I mean, essentially it's a reducto absurdum, right?

00:14:10.020 That you're saying like, okay, well, what if we took this logic all the way to its conclusion?

00:14:15.120 And in the same sense of like, if somebody's like, hey, we should raise the minimum wage

00:14:19.460 to $25 an hour or something, you're like, well, how about $1,000 an hour?

00:14:22.960 Like, should we do that?

00:14:24.060 And then, and it's not that that disproves 25, but at least if someone goes, no, well, that

00:14:28.020 would be a disaster.

00:14:28.740 You go, okay, so you admit that there's a certain point where you'd have to say this

00:14:32.540 would be a disaster.

00:14:33.300 Okay.

00:14:33.600 So now let's talk about, but the problem is that I think a lot of people who are all in

00:14:39.600 on this one side, they recognize that as soon as they concede that, then it's like, oh,

00:14:44.200 we could start walking this back.

00:14:45.840 And I might have to concede that there's a real moral problem with just killing tens of

00:14:50.700 thousands of people.

00:14:51.800 Even if we haven't killed 2 million, it's like, oh, that might be.

00:14:55.600 And so people are very hesitant to want to give you that because they think there might

00:14:59.780 be an implication to their own, which of course there is, you know, which like the implication

00:15:03.620 is basically that like, yeah, killing innocent people is wrong and you don't want to be on

00:15:06.840 the side of people doing that.

00:15:08.220 But it is, it's kind of laid bare when you could ask someone like, okay, so you're telling

00:15:15.040 me you could kill every last Palestinian and there'd be no moral issue with that.

00:15:18.820 And if you even have to hesitate before you answer that, like you got some problems with

00:15:22.820 your moral foundations.

00:15:24.120 Right.

00:15:24.260 And that is really where I've arrived at, whereas people do have problems with their

00:15:27.480 moral foundations, which is why they have to come up with these words.

00:15:30.360 They have to always come up with these terms to describe people who are quite moral.

00:15:34.320 Like, I don't believe that we are justified in murdering a million Iraqi civilians looking

00:15:39.840 for weapons of mass destruction that never existed.

00:15:42.240 By the way, they're losing their creativity.

00:15:44.140 Every time they want to go to war, they're kind of saying the same stuff over and over again.

00:15:46.480 I just, I just saw what's his face in an interview saying like, well, you know, Iran, they've

00:15:50.680 got nuclear, you know, they, they are really close.

00:15:52.840 They've got these weapons.

00:15:53.500 I'm like, didn't we already run this with Iraq?

00:15:55.960 And didn't you already tell us that we had to do this, like BB speech, like we've, we've

00:15:59.540 got to do this, like to keep the world free.

00:16:01.580 Didn't actually objectively tell me one thing that's gotten better in America since 9-11,

00:16:06.820 2001, because that's where they always like, this is, this is 12, 9-11, whatever it is.

00:16:10.700 Tell me one thing that got better, safer or freer in America since we decided that we were

00:16:15.480 going to go to war in the Middle East perpetually.

00:16:17.420 And the answer is nothing.

00:16:18.740 People don't even remember this.

00:16:19.840 And this is what concerns me.

00:16:21.440 And it's why it's so important to teach people real history and not what they're learning in

00:16:24.960 their school, because America is not only a young country, but we're becoming younger

00:16:28.540 in our minds because we're not even learning American history correctly.

00:16:31.580 We're being lied to about American history, McCarthyism, you know, the Spanish Inquisition,

00:16:35.740 everything that we're learning is actually a lie.

00:16:38.140 But what happens is that when you keep that mindset so young and you don't have a memory

00:16:41.940 is you have no memory of freedom, right?

00:16:44.200 And this conversation I have with my husband, actually, is something that always stays with

00:16:47.060 me, because I said, China, you got a country, what is it now, 1.7 billion people, a crazy

00:16:52.920 number.

00:16:53.540 I think India may have just passed them.

00:16:55.200 You've got so many of these people and the government is so small.

00:16:57.940 I go, why won't they just revolt against the government?

00:17:00.160 And George said to me, because they have no memory of freedom.

00:17:03.000 They think it's just how it's always been.

00:17:04.620 And that's what's going to happen in America.

00:17:06.300 Like we have kids and I'm one of them.

00:17:08.100 I don't remember that you used to just be allowed to walk onto the plane.

00:17:11.860 Yeah.

00:17:12.140 You didn't have to get strip searched.

00:17:13.500 You didn't have to take your belt off your shoes.

00:17:15.160 You could just go onto the plane, greet people at the gate.

00:17:18.820 Like you were a, we were a freer country.

00:17:21.460 It's like to Gen Z, because, you know, you ever watch like any of those old rom-coms where

00:17:26.140 they would always run up to the gate of the plane?

00:17:27.980 Like, yeah, you used to be able to do that.

00:17:29.460 You could just chase your high school sweetheart all the way right up to her flight and then,

00:17:33.720 you know, profess your undying love to her.

00:17:35.440 No, look, I mean, the country that I grew up in, I was born in 1983.

00:17:40.520 So like I was a little kid in the 80s and then like a kid in the 90s.

00:17:44.000 That country is gone.

00:17:45.620 And it's, it's, it's really sad because it was a much better country in a lot of ways.

00:17:51.240 But there's freer because the problem was like, oh, hey, we got to do that because we

00:17:54.980 got to keep bombing the Middle East because you're for your safety and for your freedom.

00:17:58.980 And I'm like, I think by every metric, we're less safe.

00:18:01.640 You're looking at like just crime rates and we're less free.

00:18:04.900 Well, there was a regional expert who testified before Congress in 2002.

00:18:11.020 And he said that he guaranteed, and this is a regional expert, he guaranteed that if we

00:18:16.320 overthrew Saddam Hussein, there would be massive positive reverberations throughout the region.

00:18:21.880 There's Benjamin Netanyahu.

00:18:23.040 I don't know if you've heard of him, but he's a regional expert.

00:18:25.760 So I'm just waiting.

00:18:27.040 I mean, it's going to happen at some point, but it may have taken a little more time.

00:18:30.760 First, they thought it was Iraq, but then he testified also that it was, if we did it

00:18:34.620 to Syria, then also I think he said Libya.

00:18:37.220 He mentioned Libya, yeah.

00:18:37.960 But now we're at Iran.

00:18:38.960 So this time.

00:18:39.480 Well, he did mention Iran in that testimony.

00:18:41.220 He always wanted us to overthrow Iran, but he's still on that one because we did his other,

00:18:45.340 we did the other ones for him.

00:18:46.420 Just this last one.

00:18:47.140 Yeah, that's right.

00:18:47.880 And then America is going to be so much freer and so much safer, and gas prices are going

00:18:51.500 to be low, and the roads are going to be paved, and we're going to be able to just get onto

00:18:54.740 the plane.

00:18:56.440 Why does it feel like we're just being lied to?

00:18:58.900 And so the question then becomes for me and everyone who's logically thinking through this

00:19:02.820 and realizing that our country is in full decline, which country is getting better?

00:19:06.780 Because it's not ours because of these never-ending wars that we keep not winning, by the way.

00:19:10.940 That's also a small thing we don't talk about.

00:19:13.180 We're not winning these wars.

00:19:14.340 So what actually is the point of these wars in your view?

00:19:18.620 Well, I mean, I think, okay, so there's, a lot of times there's kind of like, there'll

00:19:25.900 be a core group of people who actually do have like a real ideology, but the reason why that

00:19:31.260 ideology gets picked up in D.C. is because it's very good for business.

00:19:36.700 You know, like in, and not just in D.C., in academia and throughout like kind of the

00:19:42.720 establishment, there's people like, uh, like Keynes or, um, John Rawls or someone like

00:19:49.640 that who were pretty dumb.

00:19:53.720 Like they're not impressive people.

00:19:55.580 Their theories are garbage.

00:19:57.140 I mean, if you, you know, if you like sat down, like Keynes and then you, you like put

00:20:02.820 Thomas Sowell up against him, he'll just like utterly dismantle his arguments.

00:20:07.280 I mean, they're just terrible.

00:20:08.120 Or you like someone who's more of like a monetary theorist guy, but like, you know, if you read

00:20:12.140 Hayek versus Keynes, there's no way you could think Keynes was like a better economist.

00:20:16.800 But what Keynes prescribes is that D.C. ought to have a whole lot of power.

00:20:22.560 And what, you know, Thomas Sowell is prescribing is that they ought to have much less power than

00:20:27.740 they have today.

00:20:28.440 So who do you think is more popular in D.C., you know?

00:20:31.440 And so there might be some true believing Keynesians, but that's not necessarily why everyone

00:20:36.560 in D.C. gets on board with them.

00:20:38.360 So with the war stuff, I mean, these neoconservatives, I think a lot of them do, like they believe

00:20:43.500 in their dogma.

00:20:44.560 But the reason why they took over the entire foreign policy establishment is also because

00:20:49.640 like, well, their recommendations also allow these weapons companies to make a ton of money.

00:20:54.440 They allow politicians to have more power.

00:20:57.060 So there's, you know, there's a lot going on there.

00:21:00.420 But as I'm sure you know, I mean, and this comes off like, you know, it's almost like

00:21:08.860 people are trained to dismiss this as kind of kooky, but it's the reality for any, and

00:21:12.680 everybody who knows this stuff knows it.

00:21:14.600 What the neocons are essentially the Likud vanguard in America.

00:21:20.640 And they've, they've all of the, and they write it in their own words.

00:21:23.860 I mean, you can go, you know, I think I mentioned this last time I was on your show, but just,

00:21:27.640 just for everyone, if they want to read this, go read A Clean Break, A New Strategy for Securing

00:21:34.120 the Realm.

00:21:35.020 And it was written by Richard Perle and David Wormsor to Benjamin Netanyahu in 1996, when

00:21:41.440 he first became prime minister.

00:21:43.080 This was their letter to Benjamin Netanyahu on what the new strategy for Israel ought to

00:21:47.480 be.

00:21:47.820 And the new strategy for Israel, what is regime change in Iraq, making deals, bribing off

00:21:53.920 surrounding Arab countries.

00:21:55.440 So you don't have to do this, this silly peace process thing that every U.S. president

00:22:00.600 had been insisting you do.

00:22:02.380 And so that's, you know, this is a huge part of why we've embarked on these terror wars

00:22:07.280 over the last 20 plus years.

00:22:08.580 So your perspective is we're doing this because it's actually securing Israel, not because

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00:23:22.580 There's that's certainly a huge element to it.

00:23:25.580 You know, I mean, like there's other elements, but that's a huge component of it.

00:23:29.680 So Israel, very small country, like size of New Jersey.

00:23:32.220 How is it that that small country has been able to garner so much power over the American

00:23:41.080 politicians, right?

00:23:42.180 Over the American political scene.

00:23:43.680 Forget politicians.

00:23:44.640 We would also talk about the publications.

00:23:47.280 There is clearly a neocon movement.

00:23:50.660 The news stations, there was clearly a neocon movement.

00:23:53.720 And you just wonder, because I came at this truly as a conservative.

00:23:56.940 I am a proud isolationist.

00:23:59.100 So I've held the same perspective.

00:24:00.940 I love Thomas Massey.

00:24:02.000 He's my favorite congressman.

00:24:02.980 That while our nation is in decline, we should not be sending any money overseas.

00:24:06.640 And that was totally fine in the conservative movement.

00:24:09.460 Like everyone agreed with me and everyone agreed with me on Afghanistan.

00:24:12.940 And they agreed with me.

00:24:13.900 Kind of some neocons were actually, actually very radically pro-Ukraine, even though they

00:24:18.060 were trying to mask it.

00:24:18.940 But then on the Israel stuff, they're just like, no, like this is different.

00:24:22.800 This is a different carve out.

00:24:23.840 And I'm going, why and how?

00:24:26.500 And not just that it's like different, but that they immediately become the woke.

00:24:32.520 Like, it's not just like that.

00:24:33.700 It's like, oh, no, I think this is an exception.

00:24:36.260 And here's my argument.

00:24:37.800 Why?

00:24:38.580 It's like racist.

00:24:40.320 Shut up, racist.

00:24:41.860 You're not allowed.

00:24:42.380 And you're like, whoa, I thought that was the whole thing we were against.

00:24:46.700 Yeah.

00:24:46.980 I mean, I literally just said that the other day that I think the woke right are the worst

00:24:50.800 of all of them.

00:24:51.680 I mean, like, it's more ridiculous than the woke left, even.

00:24:55.360 And at least the woke left isn't like pretending to not be the woke left.

00:24:58.400 That's why I actually hate the neocons more than I hate the left, because at least they're

00:25:01.600 owning that this is what we do.

00:25:03.120 Like, we will always use emotional arguments to talk about slavery.

00:25:05.800 But the woke right pretends that they don't do that.

00:25:08.460 And like, they believe in free speech and the best idea should win.

00:25:11.040 Unless it's an issue that they care about, then they're like more woke than anybody else.

00:25:14.580 Like, yeah.

00:25:15.060 Yeah, that's right.

00:25:15.700 I mean, and with the exact same tactics, just dismiss you, smear you, and also just, you

00:25:22.120 know, that like the neocons, we were talking about this briefly before, but the thing that

00:25:26.400 just what I hate so much about them is how much they also like, like I'm old enough to

00:25:32.180 remember the George W. Bush years and the Barack Obama years really well.

00:25:36.540 I remember them quite vividly.

00:25:38.020 And every single neocon who had the support of every right wing talk radio show host in

00:25:45.260 America, like the entire conservatism Inc through all of the Bush years and all of the Obama

00:25:50.960 years had no problem demonizing Muslims in the most vicious ways.

00:25:56.560 I mean, it was all, it was all, oh yeah.

00:25:58.600 I mean, do you remember the biggest thing in the world was that they were putting a little

00:26:02.420 mosque a few blocks away from where the World Trade Center had collapsed.

00:26:07.160 They made this out like they're replacing the towers with a mosque and all the Sharia law

00:26:14.100 is coming to America.

00:26:15.620 And when they were trying to sell the next war, they were fine with like, be really worried

00:26:20.040 about radical Islam.

00:26:21.440 This was the big criticism of Obama from every dumb Marco Rubio Republican.

00:26:25.920 He won't even say radical Islamic jihad or something.

00:26:30.180 As Obama is dropping every bomb ever on the Muslim world, their complaint was that he's not

00:26:36.160 going hard enough against radical Islam.

00:26:39.260 And then when Donald Trump rose up and was like, we don't need to be fighting these wars.

00:26:43.320 We shouldn't have fought the war in Iraq.

00:26:44.660 We should.

00:26:44.880 And then he goes, I want to ban on Muslim immigration into America.

00:26:49.220 So, you know, whatever he said, till we figure out what's going on.

00:26:51.800 Then they all turned around and went racist.

00:26:54.580 Yeah.

00:26:54.940 You evil racist.

00:26:55.880 You can't demonize Muslims like this.

00:26:58.000 And it was like, I remember you.

00:26:59.720 You were just doing this five minutes ago.

00:27:02.280 And likewise, like I was talking about in 2004, when George W. Bush was trying to get

00:27:06.580 reelected and it was a close election and the war was already getting fairly unpopular.

00:27:12.000 What they ran on was a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.

00:27:16.940 They tried to find the wedge issues and then be on the conservative side of it and get the

00:27:21.640 conservatives riled up and say, hey, we're going to be on your side for this so we can

00:27:25.160 get reelected.

00:27:26.000 And then as soon as Donald Trump was the most popular thing, they became Democrats and they

00:27:31.200 went, look how racist these right wingers are.

00:27:33.600 They're coming after the LGBTQ community or whatever.

00:27:37.060 Like they have no actual cultural beliefs.

00:27:40.340 They just want the war powers.

00:27:42.260 So they'll use whatever side they can, stoke up resentment amongst Americans so that they

00:27:47.800 can get into power to keep the war machine going.

00:27:50.700 Right.

00:27:50.900 But it just begs the question is like, how can such a small group of people garner this

00:27:54.800 much power?

00:27:55.440 And I think the truth is, is because they just have a lot of money.

00:27:57.280 I mean, talk about the military industrial complex.

00:27:59.480 It's unbelievable how much money they have to dedicate to these efforts, these propagandized

00:28:05.120 efforts.

00:28:05.460 And this goes back to why I say it's so important for people to declassify, look at the declassified

00:28:10.280 documents of the CIA.

00:28:11.240 Like you need to comprehend that a lot of things that you would believe are conspiracies

00:28:15.700 because you're coming out of your public education system programming and you're just like, you

00:28:20.400 probably believe the government is kind of good.

00:28:22.660 You just need to look at some declassified docs, Operation Mockingbird, the money spent,

00:28:27.740 like these journalists are paid to say whatever.

00:28:30.340 And at the end of the day, money talks.

00:28:32.760 And I'm sorry, it's like tales all this time, money talks and people will quite literally do

00:28:37.160 anything for their bottom line.

00:28:38.840 This is why you don't see ideological consistency.

00:28:41.400 Just like you're saying, there's no ideological consistency.

00:28:44.200 Even Don Lemon, like he totally flipped.

00:28:46.240 People don't remember the old Don Lemon where he would, he sat down with Morgan Freeman and

00:28:50.000 spoke about how like he doesn't want to be seen as just a black man, how he doesn't like that

00:28:54.280 people use race to, to further themselves.

00:28:56.660 And then suddenly BLM came and I don't know what he was offered, but this man turned into a, a total hypocrite, um, in terms of the things that he had said prior.

00:29:05.180 I mean, he would have called somebody a Nazi if they were saying the same things that he said

00:29:10.080 with Morgan Freeman.

00:29:11.000 I mean, he would have been like, that is the most vicious racist in America.

00:29:15.340 Is it, do you ever see the thing where he had like the list for young black men of like things

00:29:19.880 they're supposed to do?

00:29:20.520 And it was like, uh, pull up your pants, speak English properly.

00:29:23.960 You know, and, and look, by the way, not bad advice.

00:29:27.520 I mean, like not bad advice for someone if you want to get your life together.

00:29:30.780 It's like, yes.

00:29:31.420 Okay.

00:29:31.700 And there, and there should be people like that.

00:29:34.440 Now, I don't know that Don Lemon was ever going to be that figure in the black community

00:29:38.300 that like really spoke to young thugs in the streets and got them to pull their pants up

00:29:43.280 or something like that.

00:29:44.100 Like, I don't know if the gay guy on CNN was going to be their thought leader, but it's not bad

00:29:48.860 advice, you know, and like, but he would never, I mean, yeah, look, I was thinking about this

00:29:53.080 just recently because it's a, you know, because Kamala Harris's track record has been, been

00:29:57.300 coming up and it is pretty funny how there was a, so like when I was younger, there was

00:30:03.280 a, the Democrats were always racing to not be seen as wimpy liberals.

00:30:09.680 Um, cause that had been the knock on them forever, particularly after like, um, like the

00:30:14.740 seventies, the very bad crime.

00:30:17.420 Um, there had been bad crime in, in blue cities around America.

00:30:21.420 Republicans were running as law and order candidates.

00:30:23.760 And then the Joe Biden was a big part of this bill.

00:30:26.460 Clinton was a part of this where they tried to race to the other side and be like, no,

00:30:29.540 no, no, we're law and order Democrats.

00:30:31.740 Look at this crime bill we just passed.

00:30:33.500 We're going to throw all these people in jail.

00:30:35.000 We're going to ramp up the mandatory minimums.

00:30:37.340 And Kamala Harris was almost at the tail end of that as a prosecutor in California, where

00:30:42.260 she was a, she wasn't a, one of these progressive prosecutors.

00:30:44.720 She was like a Reaganite hardcore.

00:30:47.440 Oh, you got caught with marijuana.

00:30:48.900 You're doing time.

00:30:49.720 Oh yeah.

00:30:50.280 Truancy laws, like whatever it is, like throw the book at them.

00:30:53.600 But does anyone have any doubt that if Kamala Harris was a prosecutor today, she would just

00:30:57.560 be one of the progressive prosecutors.

00:30:58.900 Cause that's what's in now.

00:31:00.260 She doesn't actually have anything that she believes in other than just gaining power.

00:31:04.600 So it's like nowadays she'd be like, Hey, we can't arrest people for shoplifting.

00:31:08.340 That's racism or whatever.

00:31:09.560 And she's even saying things like that now, but then people go, but look at your track

00:31:13.800 record.

00:31:14.280 And it's really as simple as like, Oh, that was the thing we were doing then.

00:31:17.720 Yeah.

00:31:18.060 Like now we're doing this thing.

00:31:19.280 I don't know.

00:31:19.920 What is your opinion?

00:31:20.620 Because so much has happened.

00:31:21.680 I feel like we've had the longest three, four weeks in politics, especially with the assassination

00:31:25.360 attempt, which they already want to move on from.

00:31:26.780 That really should tell you something like president Trump just almost got shot on stage and already

00:31:30.960 they're like, yeah, he's a racist again.

00:31:32.280 You know, it's been like, it seems like we should get a month for that.

00:31:34.240 Can we get at least a month?

00:31:35.140 Nope.

00:31:35.560 Nope.

00:31:35.900 Just a couple of weeks to get over that.

00:31:37.140 So we can go back to calling him and all of his supporters racists who are going to

00:31:39.540 end democracy, even though we almost just watched democracy get ended on live TV when

00:31:43.160 they try to take out a person who's running for president.

00:31:46.520 But anyways, what is your, I feel that the political flip forward is changing, that people

00:31:50.860 who had platforms before are not going to have platforms in a couple of years.

00:31:54.220 It feels to me like the scales are falling from people's eyes in a very good way, but I

00:32:00.380 don't think that things will ever be the same post-assassination attempt.

00:32:03.080 I think this is a different Donald J. Trump in a lot of ways.

00:32:07.400 And I wanted to get your read on what's happening with the Democrats, what's happening with the

00:32:10.420 Republicans and what the future looks like.

00:32:13.080 Well, I mean, I agree with you.

00:32:15.500 I think we're in the middle of a major realignment, which has probably been slow moving for a while

00:32:22.220 now, but it does seem to really be speeding up.

00:32:24.380 I think that, you know, to your point that I think there's a lot of people who have exposed

00:32:30.840 themselves for good and for bad, and that I do tend to agree with you that I think there's

00:32:37.620 like a major reckoning coming.

00:32:39.700 And I think that the Israel has been a huge topic on that.

00:32:45.000 But there's a lot of other things that, you know, it's almost hard for us to appreciate

00:32:49.980 the normie perspective on a lot of things and like take a step back and realize like how

00:32:54.120 many people just realized that the entire corporate media was covering for Joe Biden

00:32:59.880 for all these years, that there was literally a senile man in the White House who we all

00:33:07.260 deem to be too senile to run a campaign for four months, yet can be the commander in chief

00:33:13.580 for five and a half months until January, right?

00:33:17.840 So like that's waking a lot of people up.

00:33:20.300 I think there's, I think that Donald Trump, one of the really interesting effects of Donald

00:33:26.840 Trump surviving this assassination attempt was that essentially the entire establishment

00:33:33.900 had to admit they were lying.

00:33:36.120 And they did this in a kind of subtle way, but I don't think, I think it's too obvious

00:33:41.220 for people to miss.

00:33:42.320 So like, look, there was a few notable exceptions.

00:33:44.600 There's like Keith Olbermann's of the world out there who are like, yeah, he's Hitler.

00:33:48.380 I wish the guy had killed him, right?

00:33:50.440 But that, not too many people were willing to go that route.

00:33:53.080 So you have Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden, all of them wish Donald Trump

00:33:59.040 a speedy recovery.

00:34:00.120 Say there's no place for political violence.

00:34:02.320 Everybody in the corporate media said the same thing.

00:34:04.840 But like, so what does that tell you?

00:34:06.380 You know, you can't say a guy's literally Hitler for eight years and then wish Hitler a speedy

00:34:11.340 recovery, right?

00:34:12.320 It's like, it's one of the other.

00:34:14.320 Either democracy is on the line or political violence is never acceptable.

00:34:20.060 Right.

00:34:20.200 You can't have both of those.

00:34:21.700 Right.

00:34:21.900 You can't.

00:34:22.420 And the only thing they have, and this has been true since 2016, the only thing they have

00:34:27.180 to deal with Donald Trump is to take it up to 11.

00:34:29.540 They have to call him literally Hitler, existential threat.

00:34:32.880 He's going to launch nukes.

00:34:34.480 The stock market's going to crash.

00:34:36.080 America's over as we know it.

00:34:37.500 Now, this is already much harder because he has a four-year track record.

00:34:41.840 But now, once they started wishing him well and denouncing political violence, it's almost

00:34:46.200 like, oh, you just gave up your whole game.

00:34:49.100 Right.

00:34:49.400 Exactly.

00:34:49.600 That was everything you were running on.

00:34:50.880 So I do think this is a big sea change.

00:34:52.960 Right.

00:34:53.220 And I do think, again, like the people are just starting to go, wait a second.

00:34:56.160 Some of the stuff that I thought was full-on conspiracy theory and sounded cuckoo to me and

00:35:00.580 nuts to me, there's actually some truth to this.

00:35:02.740 And that's one of the things that I've been doing on the new show because there were so

00:35:05.600 many topics that I wanted to cover.

00:35:06.880 And I think that we all go through this because, again, it all goes back to psychology.

00:35:09.780 I'm fascinating.

00:35:10.420 And that's why learning about Edward Bernays, it was actually a good exercise because it

00:35:14.740 steeled me.

00:35:15.920 You know, like I was just sort of like, okay, actually, now I know that my gut, those gut

00:35:20.520 instincts mean something and that there have been people working for years to make you go

00:35:24.320 against your gut instinct, like to make you, I mean, there was a CIA experiment where

00:35:27.500 they held up a picture of something and everyone was a Fed in the room except for one person

00:35:32.580 because they wanted to see, held up a picture, I'm giving an example here of an apple, and

00:35:36.400 they just went around the room and they said, what do you see?

00:35:38.840 And they had every Fed to say, banana, banana, banana, banana, banana, banana, just wait to

00:35:43.760 get that last guy who wasn't a Fed to see if he would say banana, even though they were

00:35:47.780 clearly holding a picture of apple.

00:35:49.420 And guess what he said?

00:35:50.680 He said effing banana, right?

00:35:52.160 So I'm like, oh, no, no, no.

00:35:53.460 I got to be the person who's going to straight up just be like, no, that's an apple and you're

00:35:56.880 all crazy because that is the power of psychology.

00:35:59.740 They understand that there is a madness to crowds and that if you say it enough times, people

00:36:04.780 hear it enough times, enough people repeat the thing, then people will accept that as

00:36:08.580 a reality.

00:36:09.520 And so it's been one of the most shocking things for me to look back into American

00:36:12.920 history because way too many times Alex Jones has been right.

00:36:15.700 I want to say that right now.

00:36:16.860 Alex Jones has been right way too many times, right?

00:36:19.960 I am not comfortable with how many times Alex Jones, who I grew up thinking was a total

00:36:23.820 psychopath, has been correct when you go watch the old clips and you're like, what the heck?

00:36:28.700 How did he know that this was going to happen?

00:36:30.780 Maybe he's just been awake for a very long time.

00:36:32.640 Doesn't mean he's always right, but it does mean that he's been right too many times.

00:36:35.540 And the more that I peel back this onion and realize and challenge my conditioning from

00:36:40.900 childhood, it's quite scary and it gets scary and it gets sinister because you realize like

00:36:46.180 when we're saying that these people worship Satan, no, like literally there were people

00:36:50.720 in American history that worshiped Satan.

00:36:52.500 And that's why I sent to you, like, do you know about the origins of NASA?

00:36:55.520 That's insane.

00:36:56.580 Like Jack Parsons, who established the Apollo program, well, the precursor to the Apollo

00:37:01.680 Apollo program, which is like jet propulsion, the jet propulsion program, he literally worshiped

00:37:08.780 Satan.

00:37:08.980 Like they were doing these experiments in the Devil's Canyon and they were having sexual

00:37:13.660 rituals, thinking that they could summon demons.

00:37:15.680 He wanted to get a woman that was pregnant, like a virgin pregnant and name it the moon child.

00:37:22.180 He found a redheaded person.

00:37:23.900 He practiced a religion called Thelema, which was Aleister Crowley, who was a full Satanist,

00:37:29.080 named the most wicked, the most wicked man in the world.

00:37:31.020 He was considered his protege.

00:37:32.640 They had a great relationship.

00:37:34.320 And so I'm just like, okay, that makes me very uncomfortable.

00:37:38.520 Well, if nothing else, you're like, this is really fascinating.

00:37:40.900 Why is no one talking about this?

00:37:42.840 And maybe it's like, you know, sometimes with these things you're like, okay, I don't know

00:37:46.000 how deep this runs, but like, it's like just when you see like in Bohemian Grove or something

00:37:50.320 like that, you're like, okay, so we have video footage of you guys doing some crazy weird ritual.

00:37:54.680 Okay.

00:37:55.080 So you're telling me that like our political leaders and like cultural influential people and

00:38:00.900 bankers and all these people, they get together and do weird rituals.

00:38:03.700 Like, okay, can we ask some more questions about that?

00:38:06.880 Like, what exactly is the answer to that?

00:38:08.940 And it is bizarre how much, particularly the Bohemian Grove one, because it like, it is

00:38:14.740 real.

00:38:15.320 We have video of it.

00:38:17.140 People admit that they go, that they've gone to it.

00:38:19.880 We have Richard Nixon on tape talking about how, I won't use his language for it, but you

00:38:26.380 know, like he's, you could go find out how he described it.

00:38:29.180 And so you're like, and then homosexuals, we'll use that word.

00:38:32.440 Like there's a lot of homosexuals.

00:38:34.420 And then you go, so wait, so you're telling me that nobody in the media, like we don't

00:38:42.480 have one investigative journalist who's like really interested in this story and getting

00:38:46.380 to the bottom.

00:38:46.800 Well, they were friends with Aleister Crowley.

00:38:47.080 Now again, there are some, but yeah.

00:38:48.260 That's what's scary.

00:38:49.160 It's like, when he, then I started getting interested in Aleister Crowley, this guy was

00:38:52.380 an elitist.

00:38:52.940 Like, this is not like some random guy who was like, like, I believe in Satan.

00:38:56.660 I'm going to write this book.

00:38:57.380 It became a religion amongst the elites.

00:38:59.080 And that's what's scary.

00:38:59.740 Like he was best friends with the guy running Vanity Fair.

00:39:01.580 He was best friends with this guy establishing the Apollo program.

00:39:04.160 He was funded and with all of these elitists, they loved him.

00:39:07.300 And so, and now they try to soften that.

00:39:09.780 And I'm like, no, this is very scary because they kept getting caught having sexual rituals.

00:39:14.120 One such story, by the way, and again, this stuff that I'm saying to you, you don't need

00:39:17.060 to go on a deep Reddit feed.

00:39:19.020 This is on Wikipedia.

00:39:20.340 One such story is like Mussolini kicked him out of Italy because they were having one of

00:39:23.520 their sex rituals.

00:39:24.780 Like they believed the elites would get together and they would have sex rituals in order to

00:39:28.300 like summon spirits.

00:39:29.620 Like this was what his religion believed in.

00:39:32.140 And he got kicked out by Mussolini because somebody actually died in one of these sexual

00:39:36.140 rituals because they wanted to take this, their ecstasy to the next level.

00:39:39.700 I mean, really bonkers stuff.

00:39:41.160 And when he gets kicked out, he goes and stays at his friend's house in France.

00:39:44.540 Who are his friends?

00:39:45.940 Barbara Bush's parents.

00:39:47.520 Like, you know, it was like crazy stuff like that where you're just going, okay, so this

00:39:51.560 is the fact, like just what you're saying, that we have these mainstream media journalists

00:39:56.100 who pretend that everything that you've ever heard is crazy.

00:39:58.740 The satanic panic in the seventies is crazy.

00:40:01.200 And then when you start doing your own research and you learn, and you're just interested,

00:40:04.380 like I was just interested in learning about the moon landings, the Apollo program, and

00:40:07.840 you keep coming up with people that are involved in sex rituals.

00:40:11.000 It's unnerving.

00:40:11.920 And it's, but it's unnerving in a way that actually brought me back or closer to faith

00:40:16.600 because I'm going, okay, America, and this was a clip from Tucker Carlson and Joe Rogan

00:40:21.120 that I actually do want to play for you because I will play it on my podcast over and over

00:40:24.100 and over again.

00:40:24.840 Actually, I'll pause right now and play it.

00:40:26.920 Okay.

00:40:27.060 So the template that you're using to understand this is like science fiction, right?

00:40:30.800 These are an advanced race of beings from somewhere else.

00:40:34.600 But the template that every other society before us has used is a spiritual one.

00:40:38.660 There is a whole world that we can't see that acts on people, a supernatural world that's

00:40:44.380 acting on us all the time for good and bad.

00:40:46.960 Every society has thought this before ours.

00:40:48.980 In fact, every society in all recorded history has thought that until, I'll be specific, August

00:40:54.780 1945 when we dropped the atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

00:40:58.260 And all of a sudden, the West is just officially secular.

00:41:00.560 We're God.

00:41:01.060 There is no God but us.

00:41:03.000 And that's the world that we have grown up in, but that's an anomaly.

00:41:06.020 Like no one else has ever thought that.

00:41:07.200 There's never been a society that thought that.

00:41:09.740 Every other society has assumed, and they've had all kinds of different explanations and

00:41:13.520 the details differ, but the core idea does not differ.

00:41:16.640 It never has differed from caves until now that we're being acted on by spiritual forces

00:41:22.840 at all times.

00:41:24.780 So that particular segment, it just really hit at me because I was going, okay, so much of

00:41:30.640 what is sold to us in the public school system is we're own gods, we're secular.

00:41:33.840 Atheism is now very popular, but this is very new.

00:41:36.720 And it's not new because we became a wiser society.

00:41:39.120 It's new because we became incredibly unwise.

00:41:41.860 And kind of evil.

00:41:42.680 Right, and very evil.

00:41:43.640 And so when I look into history and I see that these people were doing these rituals and

00:41:47.500 trying to summon demons.

00:41:48.700 And like I said, Aleister Crowley, he was with the elites, all of these old, what's that

00:41:52.920 Yale Skull and Bones Club?

00:41:54.260 He was having a sexual affair with one of the guys there and somebody that was at all of these

00:41:58.960 schools.

00:41:59.280 Like a Cambridge club is where they were having their sexual rituals.

00:42:01.380 And you look throughout history at how many times elites got caught having sexual rituals.

00:42:05.220 And I'm talking about recent history, like the last 150 years.

00:42:08.580 I went, okay, if they believed in this, and these are people that had the access to the

00:42:12.740 most wealth and the most money, that they believed in spiritualism in a demonic way,

00:42:16.820 then people better wake up right now and realize that spiritual forces are still at play.

00:42:20.780 And if you're not playing, if you're not even speaking about that and you don't think

00:42:23.900 God is real, then you're essentially the person that's bringing like a knife to a figurative

00:42:29.320 gunfight.

00:42:29.880 Like, I think that this has been going on for a long time in America and that we have

00:42:33.020 been being impacted by spiritual forces.

00:42:35.600 I mean, even Cat Williams, when he went on Joe Rogan and he starts talking about Baphomet

00:42:39.980 and Hollywood.

00:42:40.860 And I'm going, dude, what is going on that you now have people in Hollywood that are telling

00:42:44.740 you like Hollywood was meant to disrupt you spiritually.

00:42:47.880 Don't even think about it in terms of science fiction.

00:42:49.660 Like think about it like spiritually when they're propagandizing you and getting people to agree

00:42:54.640 with certain ideas.

00:42:55.700 That's like, it's a hypnosis.

00:42:57.480 Do you know what I mean?

00:42:58.040 Right.

00:42:58.240 And that there's people at say like the Bohemian Grove or something like that who are doing

00:43:03.100 these rituals, whatever it is exactly that they believe in.

00:43:05.820 But they're not pushing on the broader public that you ought to believe in their religion

00:43:10.120 too.

00:43:10.680 They're pushing on you, atheism.

00:43:12.680 They're pushing on you.

00:43:13.680 There's no such thing.

00:43:14.880 Like this is just nutty to even think there's a spiritual world.

00:43:17.740 Yet they seem very convinced that there is.

00:43:20.560 Look, I also think like, as I've gotten older, I think that a lot of times, even atheists

00:43:29.520 and very religious people are almost quibbling over semantics.

00:43:34.340 Like it's almost like we all know this is true.

00:43:36.700 We all know that there are like, there's darkness and there's light and there's good and there's

00:43:41.600 bad.

00:43:41.980 And that in itself proves like the spiritual to be true.

00:43:46.200 Like it's not, there's the, I remember one time I watched this and I can't remember who

00:43:50.060 it was, but it was one of these like, uh, atheism verse, uh, Christianity debates.

00:43:55.500 Sam Harrison.

00:43:56.400 Yeah.

00:43:56.700 It was like one of those big ones.

00:43:57.940 I can't remember specifically who was in there, the Christopher Hitchens or something.

00:44:00.860 I don't remember who is that, but they were arguing at one point and, um, the Christian

00:44:05.160 was talking about evil spirits and how evil spiritual forces play on, on people in people's

00:44:11.460 lives.

00:44:11.700 And then the atheist at one point was like, we don't have to go to magic.

00:44:15.520 You know, we could just deal with like science in the real world and we don't have to talk

00:44:19.700 about how there's spirits and things like that.

00:44:21.580 And he goes, and he goes, yes, people fall victim to depression and, and alcoholism and,

00:44:26.380 and all of addiction and these things.

00:44:28.280 And we all know that there are dark forces that, you know, like people can fall into and

00:44:32.600 blah, blah, blah.

00:44:32.980 And I remember just sitting there and going like, wait, but what the hell was that?

00:44:37.040 Dark forces.

00:44:39.000 I mean, what do you even mean by that?

00:44:40.440 Star Wars or is it like demonic energy?

00:44:42.840 So what are we, but what are we even talking about at this point?

00:44:45.020 You're just using different words for the same things.

00:44:47.600 You know, like we all kind of know that there is like the high and the low, like we have these

00:44:53.440 kind of like higher desires and then we have these lower desires.

00:44:56.800 You know, like you, you have like the desire to be like a good person and protect your family

00:45:03.180 and like do what's right and tell the truth.

00:45:05.440 But then you also have like lower desires, you know what I mean?

00:45:08.400 And, and like, so we all know that there are whatever you want to call it, there are these

00:45:12.240 forces of good and bad that act upon us.

00:45:15.480 And it is true.

00:45:16.760 I do think that there's something, it's one of the worst things about atheism in my opinion

00:45:22.420 is that it almost like, it tells you to dismiss all of that.

00:45:27.820 Now, I'm not saying strictly it has to, like there, you could be an atheist and still think

00:45:31.660 about these things, but often in effect, it has this effect of like dismiss all this stuff.

00:45:37.040 You already know it's all nonsense.

00:45:38.740 And where previous generations who were much more connected to God and religion, um, they,

00:45:46.060 their starting place was always to appreciate how beautiful this all is and how much bigger

00:45:51.740 than you it is.

00:45:52.760 And, and particularly today with like technological advances, it's just very easy to not appreciate

00:45:58.440 that.

00:45:59.020 You know, like I I'm sure for a lot of people who are just alive today, you know, we don't,

00:46:03.420 we take for granted things that we have that are really big deals like heat and air conditioning.

00:46:11.780 Like that's a crazy, almost conquering of nature that I could sit in the middle of the hot

00:46:17.820 summer in 69 degree weather, because that's what I decided the thermostat goes to.

00:46:23.880 And if I want it to be 66, when I sleep, then I change the weather to 66 degree, you know,

00:46:29.220 like that's, that's a crazy power.

00:46:31.840 It's surviving a winter used to be a thing.

00:46:35.160 We don't feel that anymore.

00:46:36.800 But if you were in that, if you don't have heat or air conditioning, then you immediately

00:46:40.620 know that there's this much more powerful force than you, that you are just trying to live

00:46:45.700 within, you know, and for modern people, I think sometimes something will happen to you.

00:46:50.780 A family member gets sick, you lose someone, you know, like, like your, your parents die

00:46:55.600 or something like that.

00:46:56.220 And you're reminded that like, oh yeah, I'm this very small thing.

00:47:02.040 And there's this much bigger force around me that I am powerless over, you know, but

00:47:06.540 like that, I think that what Tucker's getting at there is that it's very easy for us today

00:47:10.920 to pretend that's not the case.

00:47:12.660 And then also as you were getting, like all of the elite are pushing on us to believe

00:47:18.400 that's not the case.

00:47:19.260 When we know they believe.

00:47:20.020 Yes.

00:47:20.560 But, but also, and there's a huge, you know, look, the transgender thing is much bigger than

00:47:25.320 just the transgender thing.

00:47:26.760 And that's, it's a huge part to what you, well, what you had said before, um, the idea

00:47:31.880 that like, that we are like, that we are in control.

00:47:37.900 Like, so the first thing is that there's no God there.

00:47:40.880 We are the gods.

00:47:41.720 But then the point that you made before about like, um, like if we could get everyone to

00:47:45.680 look at an apple and say it's a banana.

00:47:47.620 I mean, there's no question that that's like, isn't that just like a massive version of that?

00:47:51.820 It's not just that they require, listen, I'm a, I'm a radical libertarian.

00:47:56.080 I believe adults ought to be free to do whatever they want to do.

00:47:59.060 I don't, you know, like that's, that is my starting point is like, I believe you own your

00:48:02.820 body and you can do what you want with it.

00:48:05.240 Um, but that's not the trans demand.

00:48:08.660 The trans demand isn't that you say adults have the right to do what they want to do.

00:48:12.120 It's that's a woman.

00:48:13.980 You must say that's a woman.

00:48:16.600 That's the whole game here is that we can get everybody to look at what you damn well

00:48:21.720 know is not a woman and publicly profess that it is.

00:48:26.840 And they almost got everyone to do it.

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00:49:43.820 And literally, I mean, there are still people, obviously, who are changing their lives in

00:49:47.500 this direction.

00:49:48.520 It's like, what is that if not a demonic possession?

00:49:50.820 And I think for me, now I look at things like psychology.

00:49:54.040 When I studied Sigmund Freud, it's really scary how every person that we learn about in school,

00:49:58.400 that they were a hero, was actually a pervert.

00:50:01.860 No, it's terrifying to realize.

00:50:03.220 There's a lot of that.

00:50:04.180 Basically, what's happening in the public school system is an inversion.

00:50:07.100 It's like, you hated McCarthy.

00:50:08.600 No, no, no.

00:50:09.080 He knew what he was talking about.

00:50:10.360 Communists were taking over the American government.

00:50:12.460 You absolutely loved Sigmund Freud, this psychology breakthrough.

00:50:16.020 It's like, no.

00:50:16.860 This is when they realized that they could just use psychology to modify human behavior.

00:50:22.640 Sigmund Freud, as a fact, I don't know if you know this.

00:50:25.540 Sigmund Freud was a person who created psychoanalysis.

00:50:29.580 This has got me in a lot of trouble with journalists a long time ago.

00:50:32.300 And of course, they didn't debunk anything I said.

00:50:34.560 They just called me anti-Semite because Sigmund Freud's Jewish.

00:50:36.700 Like, who cares?

00:50:37.100 I didn't even mention who cares if he's Jewish, right?

00:50:38.960 He created psychoanalysis because he had a bunch of women that were coming to him saying

00:50:44.720 that they were being raped by their fathers.

00:50:46.440 He was friends with their fathers, okay?

00:50:48.340 And so he created psychoanalysis to convince them that their memories were wrong and they

00:50:54.260 were actually attracted to their fathers, okay?

00:50:56.860 Sigmund Freud was a homosexual man.

00:50:58.700 He had an affair.

00:51:00.360 One of these such fathers was his best friend.

00:51:02.660 I'm blanking-

00:51:02.940 Big coke addict, too, I think, right?

00:51:04.080 Yes.

00:51:04.320 Drugs as well.

00:51:05.740 Hero in our textbooks.

00:51:07.140 But his best friend, Robert, I'm blanking on his last name and I can actually probably

00:51:11.300 look it up.

00:51:11.780 He was another one of these men who, factually speaking, raped his son.

00:51:16.340 His son spoke out about it, you know?

00:51:17.580 So it's like, it's always something we have to, like, imagine whether or not it was real.

00:51:20.300 And the only reason we know this about Sigmund Freud as a fact is because this guy who graduated

00:51:24.600 Harvard became one of the executives or had a role at the Sigmund Freud Archive Center,

00:51:30.960 whatever it's called.

00:51:32.180 And essentially, he couldn't speak German.

00:51:34.160 So he couldn't read anything at this archive place.

00:51:36.880 So he decided to learn German, right?

00:51:38.440 And so he starts reading the paperwork.

00:51:40.540 I'm going to look up his name.

00:51:41.780 He starts reading Sigmund Freud, finally understanding what he's writing.

00:51:44.140 And then he's like, oh, my gosh.

00:51:45.780 No, Sigmund Freud created all of this to protect pedophiles.

00:51:48.500 And so he, like, runs like, this is going to be amazing.

00:51:50.860 Like, I'm solving something that the world didn't know.

00:51:52.880 He gets fired.

00:51:54.100 They're like, you're not allowed to know that.

00:51:55.400 This guy gets fired, gets his life ruined.

00:51:57.400 This Harvard grad gets his life completely ruined.

00:52:00.020 He gets attacked by the media because he's trying to tell the world that Sigmund Freud created

00:52:04.080 psychoanalysis as a means to protect pedophiles.

00:52:06.900 Wild.

00:52:07.980 Wild.

00:52:08.520 That they're still protecting the secret.

00:52:10.100 And they don't protect it in a way that, like, now, I guess I've said the thing, but they

00:52:13.980 just attack you by being like, you can't talk about Sigmund Freud.

00:52:16.220 And the same way they do this about Magnus Hirschfeld, who introduced transsexual, he was the first

00:52:21.400 guy that, like, came up with, like, being transsexual.

00:52:23.040 He was one of the fathers of transsexualism.

00:52:25.500 And when you look into him, he was an awful guy.

00:52:27.500 Was he like an awful pervert?

00:52:29.580 Yeah, you know, they all were.

00:52:31.260 He was like an awful, awful pervert.

00:52:33.100 And it's like, why are we protecting so many people throughout history that were involved

00:52:37.480 in really sinister, disgusting stuff?

00:52:39.400 And not only are we protecting them, we are then reintroducing them as heroes.

00:52:42.280 So if you look up Magnus Hirschfeld, he's introduced as a hero because now we're back

00:52:45.720 at the trans stuff.

00:52:46.640 If you look up Sigmund Freud, it's like, this was the breakthrough in psychology.

00:52:49.400 And it was like, no, this was the breakthrough in that they realized that they could use

00:52:53.400 psychology to trick you into accepting things that were purely devilish.

00:52:58.180 Like, Sigmund Freud is easily one of the worst contributors to our modern society.

00:53:04.040 Like, everyone should hate Sigmund Freud.

00:53:05.900 And yet, I graduated and thought this guy's who we should all want to be.

00:53:11.520 Well, even, it's funny because even as Tucker, like, points to the dropping of the atomic bombs

00:53:16.620 on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, if you go look at the greatest president ever, when they have

00:53:22.260 those historian polls, it's always Truman.

00:53:25.340 He's always the greatest.

00:53:27.260 Murdering people.

00:53:28.220 Henry Kissinger said, greatest president in American history was Truman.

00:53:32.500 And they all have their rationale for it.

00:53:34.960 But literally, there's like the guy who dropped nukes on cities is supposed to be...

00:53:39.460 And by the way, this was like after the Nazis had already surrendered, after Adolf Hitler

00:53:44.180 was already dead, after the war in Europe was over, and with five-star general Dwight D.

00:53:49.920 Eisenhower coming out against it.

00:53:51.980 We don't need to do this because Japan's already willing to surrender.

00:53:55.340 Like, we can negotiate a surrender with them.

00:53:56.760 They were already negotiating.

00:53:57.460 We don't have to do this.

00:53:58.520 And he drops nukes on cities.

00:54:00.620 And that's considered the best president.

00:54:03.180 Not a president who avoided wars.

00:54:05.300 Yeah, and they dropped it on praying Catholics.

00:54:06.800 Like, they just wiped...

00:54:07.420 Nagasaki was nothing.

00:54:08.360 They dropped it 300 feet away from a cathedral.

00:54:10.260 It makes me so angry because there's a lot of that going on where they were dropping it on Catholic

00:54:13.760 cathedrals.

00:54:14.720 But parking that aside, you look at people who I know are not neocons, and going back

00:54:18.660 to that childhood trauma, they believe, we are taught in school, that they had to drop

00:54:22.560 the nuke.

00:54:23.040 Again, justifying things that were horrific in the past by teaching a new generation of

00:54:28.160 children that it was totally something that had to be done.

00:54:30.060 So it's like, we actually committed a war crime, but we're going to tell you in your classroom

00:54:33.420 that World War II wouldn't have ended unless we dropped that bomb on praying Catholics.

00:54:38.560 What?

00:54:39.260 And then you still see people, like I said, who are not neocons, who will defend it radically.

00:54:43.760 Because they are still harboring that belief.

00:54:45.880 And I'm like, there is not a single objective truth to that.

00:54:48.860 Like, I mean, even the amount of people they killed in one go, we were already firebombing

00:54:53.040 Tokyo like two weeks prior and killed just as many people.

00:54:56.540 This was about, we want to test out these nukes.

00:54:59.080 We've spent so much money into this program.

00:55:01.440 We have nothing to show for all the money we've spent.

00:55:03.840 Hey, how about we drop this on this random place in Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

00:55:08.520 And then we'll use the propaganda, people, the propaganda say, well, this is now officially

00:55:12.940 the war is over.

00:55:13.520 It's like, no, the war was, the war was already over.

00:55:15.380 The war was, except for paperwork, you know, the term sheet was done.

00:55:19.040 Okay.

00:55:19.280 We just needed to get it all formalized.

00:55:21.300 And it's, it's sad that people are so removed from their humanity that they, we don't have

00:55:27.520 the proper response in America to what it means to having bomb dropped on you.

00:55:34.260 Yeah.

00:55:34.740 Yeah.

00:55:34.940 Well, I mean, look, we have a, we have 9-11 and what, and we lost our collective minds

00:55:40.240 as a result of it and went off and fought seven wars over the next 20 years, you know?

00:55:44.660 And like, that's one of the points I try to make a lot when people talk about like how

00:55:48.260 evil these Muslims are and how, you know, like how terrorist the Palestinians are.

00:55:52.800 And it's like, Hey, listen, just like before you go judging a whole group of people on these

00:55:57.040 standards, just at least be fair here and go, look, like we had one 9-11 and we responded

00:56:03.040 this way, imagine that was your whole life, like your entire life.

00:56:08.160 You know, it's, it's like, it's not to say like, you know, it doesn't mean like, Oh,

00:56:11.820 you're justifying Hamas or something like that.

00:56:13.960 I'm just saying, at least think about this.

00:56:15.540 Okay.

00:56:15.980 Those people in Hamas who broke out of Gaza on October 7th, almost all of them, I, maybe

00:56:24.760 there's an exception here, but I almost guarantee that every last one of them, that was their

00:56:28.340 first time ever leaving Gaza.

00:56:29.820 They had never been outside this five mile wide prison.

00:56:34.640 You know what I mean?

00:56:35.540 Like they just think about that for a second.

00:56:37.240 Like, okay.

00:56:38.140 Um, look to one of the things that's really interesting about this, right?

00:56:41.340 Okay.

00:56:41.480 So that clip that we just looked at, that was the most controversial moment of that podcast

00:56:48.140 when Tucker came out against dropping nukes on cities.

00:56:51.920 And you, so you kind of have to ask yourself, okay, well, listen, why would that be the case?

00:56:58.440 I mean, why would it be so like radioactive?

00:57:01.940 Because they're planning to do it again.

00:57:02.840 To even question.

00:57:03.360 Well, I mean, I think that the, the point you were making before, I mean, it, it cannot

00:57:08.600 be overstated how much world war two is the origin story of the American empire and how

00:57:16.300 this is so, and like you said, not just neocons, this is like hardwired.

00:57:20.760 It's been so deeply propagandized into people that they have to, I mean, if you start questioning

00:57:25.400 world war two, that's like, yo, what are you doing?

00:57:27.700 And I could, I could question world war one, no reaction.

00:57:31.760 We never should have fought world war one, which we shouldn't have fought, but we never

00:57:34.760 should have fought world war one.

00:57:35.700 We never should have fought whatever.

00:57:37.020 Any other war you could talk about.

00:57:38.800 Vietnam, no problem.

00:57:40.200 Iraq, obviously we shouldn't have fought.

00:57:41.500 Everyone will admit this, but world war two is like a different thing.

00:57:46.740 And I know just to be clear here, cause people are always like, are you implying that?

00:57:51.120 Like, I'm not implying anything.

00:57:52.360 It doesn't matter.

00:57:52.720 I'm just saying the article.

00:57:53.720 Yeah.

00:57:54.040 I don't care.

00:57:54.740 But just for anyone who's honestly interested, like, no, I'm not implying that.

00:57:57.940 Listen, part of the reason why world war two works as this like origin myth is because

00:58:04.780 the Nazis and the Imperial Japanese are really good villains.

00:58:09.200 It's like, it's really like, it's really easy to make them the villains because they were

00:58:12.500 really, really evil regimes.

00:58:15.740 But the point is that how many people today, when, when you're just talking, I mean, regular

00:58:20.820 people I'm talking about, when you're just talking about the war in Gaza is the first

00:58:24.960 thing they go to, uh, we killed a whole lot of people in world war two.

00:58:28.780 I mean, was that not justified?

00:58:30.720 Right.

00:58:31.040 And the answer already, but the answer already answers itself.

00:58:33.880 They're not even asking the question.

00:58:35.060 Obviously that was a, well, the starting point is, well, that was justified.

00:58:40.000 So why isn't this?

00:58:41.200 I mean, Bobby Kennedy literally said this to me when I'm talking to him about the Israel

00:58:44.740 situation.

00:58:45.260 He goes, listen, the Nazis, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:58:48.080 You're like, wait, we're comparing, we're comparing Hamas to the Nazis.

00:58:51.600 It just makes absolutely no sense.

00:58:53.720 But the thing is like this world war two.

00:58:57.180 And by the way, if you, if you haven't, and anyone listening to, you got to read Pat Buchanan's

00:59:01.020 book on world war two, uh, it's, uh, called Churchill, Hitler and the unnecessary war is

00:59:05.580 like just an incredible book.

00:59:07.100 Cause the real deal is that world war two is objectively speaking, the worst thing that

00:59:14.320 ever happened in the history of the world.

00:59:16.200 That's what it is.

00:59:17.180 It's the worst thing.

00:59:18.400 The biggest mass murder campaign in human history destroyed Europe.

00:59:23.160 The foundation of Western civilization just absolutely destroyed tens and tens and tens of

00:59:29.500 millions of people just all lost their lives and all.

00:59:33.120 And, and the truth is, and if you go read, uh, Pat Buchanan's book, you see this, there

00:59:37.380 were off ramps all over the place, like in the whole lead up to the war, it's like, we

00:59:42.820 could have gotten off here.

00:59:43.860 We could have gotten off here.

00:59:45.160 We could.

00:59:45.500 And the only lesson from history that you're ever allowed to learn, which they will say

00:59:50.080 to you all the time is, uh, is, is what is, um, appeasement.

00:59:55.760 Oh, you're Neville Chamberlain.

00:59:57.620 You ever don't want to fight a war?

00:59:59.320 You're Neville Chamberlain.

01:00:01.000 Oh, look at you, appease it.

01:00:02.180 You probably would have wanted to appease Adolf Hitler.

01:00:04.500 Oh, you don't want to fight a proxy war in Ukraine against Vladimir Putin?

01:00:07.620 You're Chamberlain.

01:00:08.660 You would have appeased Hitler.

01:00:10.300 You would have given him Yugoslavia.

01:00:11.980 It's like, oh, you don't want to fight a war in Iraq?

01:00:14.320 Chamberlain.

01:00:14.740 Like, this is the only lesson you're supposed to learn.

01:00:16.500 That's why whenever somebody wants to call you evil, the first thing they say is Adolf

01:00:19.140 Hitler.

01:00:19.420 Like, he's like, he's the only person that's been put in the American mindset as a reference

01:00:22.620 point.

01:00:22.880 When you want to call somebody, it's like, he's, she's literally Hitler.

01:00:26.260 And I have felt that heat since doing the show because I've introduced other facts about

01:00:31.380 World War II that Americans don't know.

01:00:33.660 So I shared the documentary, which I said, everyone should watch this as a baseline because

01:00:38.100 it threw me for a loop.

01:00:39.120 And I realized how severely propagandized it was about World War II.

01:00:41.460 That's, again, not to say that I'm saying the Nazis were good people, but it might also

01:00:46.500 be something that Americans should know is that after the war had ended, BBC's documentary,

01:00:51.040 The Savage Peace, we went after people who were not Nazis.

01:00:54.660 We have people who were not even Germans.

01:00:56.160 They were just German speaking.

01:00:57.960 We just went after these innocent civilians, lined up their children, shot them, ran over

01:01:02.780 their legs for the crime of them speaking German.

01:01:05.780 OK, that is wild.

01:01:07.060 And it's an important thing for you to understand, because if that is how we behaved in peacetime,

01:01:11.460 12 million German speaking civilians who were ethnically cleansed.

01:01:16.500 If you find a single person that is trying to justify that by saying their stupid phrases

01:01:21.320 that neocons say, well, you know, war is hell.

01:01:23.820 Shut up.

01:01:24.740 Just shut up right now.

01:01:26.060 Because just know that that's...

01:01:26.840 I love that.

01:01:27.420 I love that's my favorite argument.

01:01:28.960 Well, you know, when they've lost everything else, when they have no moral arguments,

01:01:32.520 then they're just like, you're like, hey, this like four year old got shot for no

01:01:35.560 reason.

01:01:35.900 They're like, war is hell.

01:01:38.560 No, actually, I'm quite comfortable.

01:01:40.180 And that just makes me want to freak out.

01:01:40.960 I love that argument.

01:01:42.460 It's because, OK, so war is hell.

01:01:44.120 That's right.

01:01:44.440 So I'm glad we've established that you are pro-hell.

01:01:47.320 Yeah.

01:01:47.860 And I am anti-hell.

01:01:48.840 Yeah, I'm anti-hell.

01:01:49.700 So, yes.

01:01:50.360 That's my problem.

01:01:50.940 So there we go.

01:01:51.540 And they make it seem like we're the monsters.

01:01:52.880 And I'm like, it's important.

01:01:53.840 And the amount of people that have reached out to me, it's so sad.

01:01:56.120 Because think about this.

01:01:56.600 This happened to people for the crime of speaking German.

01:01:58.520 They had nothing with Nazis didn't vote for.

01:01:59.940 Not even the majority of Germans voted for Adolf Hitler, obviously.

01:02:02.420 Right, right.

01:02:02.820 And I think it was like, what, 30% and then he was like installed, essentially.

01:02:07.480 But the point being is that you had these people who had lived on that land forever,

01:02:11.400 ethnically cleansed, 12 million people.

01:02:12.880 And when I saw it, how horrific what was done to them, because it was actually footage.

01:02:16.240 And it's so shocking.

01:02:17.600 And then I had people reaching out to me from Germany saying like, thank you so much for

01:02:21.040 covering this because we're not even allowed to talk about it because then they passed

01:02:23.360 speech laws.

01:02:24.400 So if you said anything that stepped outside of the bounds of the World War II established

01:02:28.900 narrative, right, allies, good, always, no matter what, even.

01:02:32.820 After the war, when we were ethnically, we let Stalin just go in there and rape a bunch

01:02:35.780 of women.

01:02:36.420 Yeah.

01:02:36.740 Stalin, Stalin, the Soviet Union and the British Empire, the forces for good in the world.

01:02:41.140 That even makes sense.

01:02:41.900 I'm definitely like, wait a second, Stalin?

01:02:43.200 What are we talking about?

01:02:43.640 These mass murdering Christians.

01:02:46.080 And I never even questioned that when I was growing up because, again, we've been so removed

01:02:49.520 from our Christian faith.

01:02:50.560 We don't even think about it because who was doing the World War propaganda?

01:02:54.400 Who was running the government?

01:02:56.380 Edward Bernays.

01:02:57.580 Edward Bernays, they established for the first time ever a propaganda arm in our government.

01:03:02.640 And Edward Bernays was running the program to basically psychologically convince us to

01:03:06.120 only go Nazi bad, Nazi bad, Nazi bad, inspiring us to sign up to kill some Nazis.

01:03:11.000 We stopped seeing each other as Christians.

01:03:13.260 We stopped seeing each other as like human beings.

01:03:15.080 The part was like, you don't longer need to think of German civilians, these Czechoslovakian

01:03:19.460 civilians as civilians anymore.

01:03:22.240 Because it's everything we do now is about killing Nazis.

01:03:24.940 So what we did in Dresden, an objective war crime, and any person that says otherwise

01:03:29.160 is a monster and stop listening to them.

01:03:31.480 Like incinerating Catholics on the eve of, they're running around and you've got ash on

01:03:37.400 your forehead.

01:03:38.060 Like on the eve of Ash Wednesday, they incinerated Catholics.

01:03:41.400 Like a sick joke, right?

01:03:43.080 And you look at that all through the day of Ash Wednesday, and you have people that will

01:03:46.900 try to justify that.

01:03:48.820 Like Dresden was not a city that needed to be firebombed at all.

01:03:52.420 So when you look at that and you hear people say that, and still today we carry that same

01:03:56.460 propaganda, Nazi bad, so no matter what we did, even if we had to rape and kill children

01:04:01.200 and women, which we did, we allowed solid men to do that, it's all acceptable because

01:04:06.140 da-da-da-da-da-da, war is hell.

01:04:08.800 Dave, I just wanted to know something.

01:04:10.220 War is hell.

01:04:11.040 Oh, well, it's like, oh, I guess the argument's over then.

01:04:13.240 Yeah, you're right.

01:04:13.740 Well, then it's okay, I guess.

01:04:15.200 Well, there's a, by the way, you should, uh, have you ever seen, uh, Hitler Lives?

01:04:19.540 No.

01:04:20.120 Okay, so Hitler Lives is a piece of American propaganda in the, in the wake of World War

01:04:26.040 II.

01:04:26.500 It was written by Dr. Seuss.

01:04:29.400 It is, uh, it is like straight up, like just the, it's just, this is what the propaganda

01:04:34.560 at the time was.

01:04:35.820 And so in the immediate wake of World War II, one of the things that's interesting is that

01:04:39.720 they do not mention, uh, the Holocaust or Jews.

01:04:43.100 That doesn't even come up because that was not even a part.

01:04:46.120 The whole thing is about what an evil race the German people are and how we better keep

01:04:51.500 our eyes on them because they already did this twice and they're going to do this again.

01:04:55.380 So keep your eyes on these like filthy Germans.

01:04:58.500 Well, that's what they don't like.

01:04:59.200 When you tell the story of what was said about the Germans leading up to this, they don't

01:05:02.180 like this.

01:05:02.640 So there was an entire book written about how they needed to ethnically cleanse the Germans

01:05:05.800 before World War II.

01:05:07.100 It was written by a man named Theodore Kaufman.

01:05:08.900 And I want to get the exact name of that book correctly because God forbid this gets taken

01:05:13.520 out of context.

01:05:14.100 And suddenly I'm like, you know, whatever, they're going to write the articles anyways.

01:05:17.920 But, um, what was it called?

01:05:19.160 Oh yeah, you're screwed.

01:05:20.280 I'm screwed no matter what.

01:05:21.380 So it's cool.

01:05:22.040 I was actually happy because they went through everything so quickly.

01:05:24.160 I like the first month of my show.

01:05:25.140 There's really nothing less to say.

01:05:26.140 They got to like accuse me of like touching a girl's butt 10 years, 10 years ago now.

01:05:29.320 Like they've thrown everything at me.

01:05:30.760 They're like, you know, did you touch a girl's butt 10 years ago?

01:05:33.140 That will come out eventually.

01:05:34.680 Give them two weeks and they'll line up the girls and, uh, the, you know, Lisa, whatever

01:05:39.180 her name is, Lisa Bloom will be representing them.

01:05:40.920 That's all they got left now.

01:05:41.980 So they kind of came at me with full bullets.

01:05:43.380 I'm like, okay, I think I'm good now.

01:05:44.240 They called me everything.

01:05:45.180 Like I'm self-hating black person.

01:05:47.320 I'm going to be the first guy to come on here.

01:05:48.940 I'm going to say, Canada's created a hostile environment for me.

01:05:51.560 Germany Must Perish.

01:05:52.920 It was a 104 page book written by Theodore Kaufman, which he self-published in 1941 in the United

01:05:58.160 States.

01:05:58.400 So nobody talks about like that.

01:06:00.480 And I'm not, by the way, again, just to be clear here, I am not alleging that the Nazis

01:06:04.920 were good, but I'm saying that we are told such a small snippet of what happened leading

01:06:08.420 up to it.

01:06:08.860 It was just like, you know.

01:06:10.560 Well, so Pat Buchanan's thesis in his book, uh, is essentially that the, the Holocaust was

01:06:19.500 Wait, hold on.

01:06:20.020 I want to pause before you talk about a thesis because I want to read this thing because I

01:06:23.160 just saw it.

01:06:23.580 The book advocated genocide through the sterilization of all Germans and territorial dismemberment

01:06:30.220 of Germany, believing that this would achieve world peace published in the United States

01:06:34.160 in 1941.

01:06:35.280 So I'm just saying like you're a German civilian reading that, that, that might've been interesting

01:06:38.260 to you, like leading up to you, like whatever.

01:06:39.820 Well, sure.

01:06:40.800 Go ahead.

01:06:41.140 I want you to hear about Pat Buchanan's thesis.

01:06:43.560 Who, by the way, like if people, if he's lost on like the younger generation, like everybody

01:06:47.720 should go read Pat Buchanan.

01:06:49.000 I mean, Pat Buchanan is just like the most brilliant conservative thinker of, or at least

01:06:54.340 up there of, of the 20th and 21st century.

01:06:57.200 I mean, he was truly like the precursor to Donald Trump, but, but so, you know, without

01:07:02.820 the pizzazz and the wealth and the brashness, but with like so much knowledge of history and

01:07:08.680 his books are fantastic.

01:07:10.160 I mean, all of his books are great.

01:07:11.860 Um, but essentially his thesis on world war two.

01:07:14.180 And by the way, the, if you look at the title, it's, it's Churchill, Hitler and the unnecessary

01:07:18.060 war and unnecessary wars in quotes, because that was a Churchill quote is what Churchill

01:07:22.940 referred to the war as after the war.

01:07:24.900 But his argument essentially was that, look, the Holocaust was a war crime and that this

01:07:31.600 happened in the context of a war.

01:07:33.700 And if you could have avoided the war, you could have avoided the genocide.

01:07:37.060 So his whole argument is that it's not like Nazis good.

01:07:39.880 It's like, no, they're very bad.

01:07:41.240 But his argument is that there were so many off ramps to leading up to this conflict.

01:07:46.980 And essentially that what the, what the real battle came down to over, right.

01:07:51.660 Was after, um, after, uh, uh, Czechoslovakia was that, that they wanted Danzig, that they

01:07:58.780 wanted this German speaking town in Poland, which had historically been part of Germany.

01:08:04.720 And that essentially we were like, no, we won't get, cause we learned our lesson, you

01:08:09.080 know, what the appeasement.

01:08:09.980 So we're going to be tough and we'll go to war over Poland.

01:08:12.640 And that we'll say, and then at the end of the war, Poland's handed to the, to the commies

01:08:16.720 who ruled over them for another, you know, six decades or whatever, you know, or whatever

01:08:21.140 it was after that, another several decades.

01:08:23.340 And then four decades after, so, or five, whatever.

01:08:27.060 Uh, so the point is that it's like, we could have, there were so many options where we could

01:08:31.620 have avoided this whole thing and look, maybe you disagree with his thesis on the book or

01:08:35.020 whatever, but to just think about world war two as the worst thing that ever happened.

01:08:39.640 And the only thing we're allowed to do in hindsight is celebrate it and how great it

01:08:45.520 was instead of thinking of like, Oh my God, the only thing you should be thinking is how

01:08:49.800 could we have possibly avoided this?

01:08:51.720 How could we possibly avoid this going forward?

01:08:54.100 That would be allowing us to objectively study it.

01:08:55.920 And that's part of the reason, like I said, they hate me right now because I'm going to

01:08:58.580 know guys, this is an incredibly important moment.

01:09:00.680 Like world war two did change everything.

01:09:02.980 It changed everything in the entire world.

01:09:05.100 And I don't think for the better, by the way.

01:09:06.620 So I'm not saying that it's not a good thing that America won.

01:09:09.180 I'm saying that when you look at America today and we realize like, has America objectively

01:09:14.460 gotten better since world war two?

01:09:15.940 Like there's, are we, uh, we've gone into all of these alliances overseas things that

01:09:18.960 have been problematic, right?

01:09:20.640 Like what NATO is doing now it's all about, Oh, well, you know, world war two, they always

01:09:25.080 go back to this world war two.

01:09:26.540 And that's why we're doing this, this, this, and that NATO's got to protect borders.

01:09:29.180 It's like, what are you talking about?

01:09:30.560 Like you're, you're totally encroaching into Putin's territory while accusing him of

01:09:35.420 encroaching into it.

01:09:36.000 It's a madness.

01:09:36.700 Honestly, it's almost like psychopathic.

01:09:38.620 Well, look, even if, even if I'm wrong about everything I just said about world war two,

01:09:41.840 like, let's just say the official narrative is 100% correct.

01:09:44.600 It goes, it's still only one lesson from history.

01:09:47.000 It was like, like that's supposed to apply to every other.

01:09:49.940 The only lesson in history is like when appeasement went wrong.

01:09:53.440 Like what are you saying?

01:09:54.560 Has aggression never gone wrong?

01:09:56.180 Has like starting a war never gone wrong?

01:09:58.980 In the last 20 years, I could give you quite a few examples of it.

01:10:02.200 And look, man, I mean, the stuff with, uh, with, with Vladimir Putin is just, I know we

01:10:06.400 talked a little bit about this last time I was on the show, but it's just so absurd that

01:10:11.380 you would go like, look, whatever you think about Vladimir Putin, he's certainly got a lot

01:10:16.400 of flaws and I'm not trying to live in Russia and I don't particularly like the Russian model.

01:10:20.620 You know, I like the old school American model, pre Woodrow Wilson.

01:10:24.820 Um, but you know, the idea that first of all, we led a coup in Ukraine to overthrow Yanukovych

01:10:35.880 because he had decided to do an economic partnership with Vladimir Putin rather than the EU.

01:10:40.960 I mean, just imagine, just imagine.

01:10:44.560 But they don't even know it.

01:10:45.680 People don't even know this because the media keeps Americans dumb, deluded, and stupid.

01:10:49.880 And so it's always back to like World War II.

01:10:52.400 Like if that's, people just go back to the Cold War, but Russia bad.

01:10:56.500 They're supposed to just be reacting.

01:10:57.360 So what you're talking about, what people, Americans watching are going, well, what do you

01:11:01.120 mean we staged a coup?

01:11:01.920 Most people didn't even know that we staged a coup.

01:11:04.340 And they freaked out when I was reading Vladimir Putin's speeches.

01:11:07.620 I want people to actually be educated.

01:11:09.200 I'm not saying I know everything, but I'm telling you that we have been intentionally

01:11:12.720 taught nothing.

01:11:13.680 Okay.

01:11:13.820 Literally nothing, no context, nothing more told to you other than this person, like monkeys.

01:11:19.240 It's like this person really bad, this person really good.

01:11:21.960 There is nothing else that you need to know other than this evil, this is objective goodness.

01:11:27.400 And that's the end.

01:11:28.280 And I'm like, you cannot objectively take a look at what we did in that region, both in

01:11:32.420 Ukraine and what we have been doing in that region in Ukraine and go, Putin had no reason

01:11:38.440 whatsoever to be upset, unless you're just like a chronic abuser and a psychopath.

01:11:42.220 Unprovoked.

01:11:42.720 Yeah.

01:11:43.200 Unprovoked.

01:11:43.720 Totally unprovoked.

01:11:44.820 Oh, by the way, I should, by the way, give this a plug because I just got an advanced

01:11:47.840 copy and read it.

01:11:49.120 But a good friend of mine, Scott Horton, you got to talk to Scott Horton.

01:11:52.520 He's like the best on war, the best voice on war in the country.

01:11:57.180 But he's writing a book called Provoked and it's so good.

01:12:01.300 It's so good.

01:12:02.120 It just goes through the whole history of basically from the collapse of the Soviet Union

01:12:05.200 up to Vladimir Putin invading Ukraine and the whole history of it.

01:12:08.920 But I'll say Jeffrey Sachs was on Tucker Carlson's show like last month.

01:12:13.680 And the way I thought the way he put it was great, because it's like a like if you look

01:12:17.780 at what's known as the Maidon Revolution in 2014, I mean, there's a lot of, you know,

01:12:22.780 first off, the National Endowment for Democracy and the USAID are just pouring millions of

01:12:27.640 dollars into it.

01:12:28.540 And the Soros NGOs are the ones who got the protesters out onto the street.

01:12:32.580 Like it's so clearly a U.S. regime change.

01:12:35.940 But on top of that, you have Victoria Nuland and John McCain and Senator Murphy and a couple

01:12:45.740 others who are all in the middle of the protest with them saying, we're with you the whole

01:12:50.420 way.

01:12:50.900 They're handing out food and water.

01:12:52.940 And what Jeffrey Sachs said, which I thought was great.

01:12:54.780 I didn't think of this, but I'm glad he did.

01:12:56.720 He's more clever than me.

01:12:57.660 But he goes, just imagine if on on January 6th, you had a bunch of high ranking Chinese

01:13:06.840 officials who were there with the protesters saying, we have your back.

01:13:12.800 We're with you.

01:13:14.400 You know, take down this government.

01:13:16.340 I mean, could you imagine what the response to that would have been in Ukraine?

01:13:19.840 So that's literally what the U.S.

01:13:21.260 literally what we did in Ukraine.

01:13:22.860 So if you think that Putin had no reason.

01:13:25.200 So imagine imagine that's going on in Mexico on your border.

01:13:28.840 So imagine in in Mexico that we come up with like and however we got there.

01:13:34.480 I mean, yeah, we put our thumb on the scale, but we get a trade deal going with Mexico.

01:13:37.960 You know, they were thinking about doing a trade deal with the Chinese or something

01:13:41.600 like that.

01:13:42.120 But we convinced them when you trade with the Chinese, you won't be able to trade with

01:13:44.820 us.

01:13:45.100 But we'll give you a big, generous loan if you sign this trade deal with us.

01:13:47.920 And they go, OK, we'll sign a trade deal with that.

01:13:49.640 And then China comes in and overthrows that government and installs a government who

01:13:55.060 wants to take a deal with China.

01:13:56.700 And then a civil war breaks out and then they start flooding arms in to the civil war.

01:14:02.740 What do you think D.C. would do?

01:14:04.620 They'd back off.

01:14:06.000 They'd go, well, I guess that's Chinese territory now down there in Mexico.

01:14:09.680 Classic American gaslighting.

01:14:11.100 And it makes me sick.

01:14:12.040 It's like we have done so much to so many people around the world since the beginning

01:14:15.440 of time.

01:14:15.840 And when you start trying to interject that into the American conscience, because now I'm

01:14:19.840 telling people all this information because I'm trying to stop another war from happening

01:14:22.880 because people don't have any information because they really do believe that when they

01:14:26.640 see Ukraine trending and a bunch of people putting like the blue and yellow flag up that

01:14:30.840 that must mean Ukraine good.

01:14:31.980 Like that is where the American mindset is right now.

01:14:34.400 And they are intentionally like I am telling you, the public school system, the public education

01:14:38.980 system was passed through, was federalized with the intention to make American students

01:14:43.720 dumber and dumber and dumber, objectively, more emotional, but objectively dumber, which

01:14:47.640 is a fact right now, which is why one of the most brilliant things that I think Matt Walsh

01:14:51.380 did or he spoke about on the show, he just challenged people to go read a letter from

01:14:55.740 a non like a civil war soldier writing to his mom who had no educational training whatsoever.

01:15:03.300 And it sounds like poetry.

01:15:04.500 Right.

01:15:04.740 And then you go find someone who just graduated university with like a 3.7 GPA and just read

01:15:11.860 what, how they write and how they speak and you will recognize we are becoming dumber

01:15:15.780 and dumber objectively.

01:15:16.740 The SATs, they're getting rid of honors classes.

01:15:18.520 They don't even want people to know they're getting dumber.

01:15:19.520 In fact, they're convincing them they're smarter.

01:15:21.520 The great paradox is while we are objectively getting dumber in terms of mathematics, in terms

01:15:25.260 of the English language, we are at the same time giving out more degrees than ever before.

01:15:29.200 So we're inflating people's egos while they're becoming legitimately more retarded.

01:15:34.520 And I'm using that as like, not as an insult to-

01:15:36.440 Yeah, no, the literal definition of the word.

01:15:38.440 Of retarded, like we are slowing people down.

01:15:42.080 And I see that that is intentional.

01:15:44.280 I see how evil, how Machiavellian it is.

01:15:46.740 And when you see these kids and they're enraged and they're fighting for trans rights, somewhere

01:15:50.480 in the back, the evil cabal, which I very much believe there is a cabal that is running

01:15:53.840 the government and by another name would be the CIA, it would be all of these intelligent

01:15:57.300 agencies that are linked to each other around the world.

01:16:00.900 That evil cabal is just laughing because you have no information.

01:16:03.520 So they know eventually, right now, cover this on my show, 40% of kids can't pass a basic

01:16:08.300 literacy exam in America.

01:16:09.960 So eventually, your reality will be what we tell you.

01:16:12.860 So when we say, this is what happened, you won't be able to read what went down in 2014

01:16:17.300 in Ukraine.

01:16:18.340 Putin is the bad guy.

01:16:19.480 He's going to kill you.

01:16:20.400 He has nukes.

01:16:21.400 You'll be signing up to go to a war and to go die overseas.

01:16:24.540 That is what is happening.

01:16:26.220 You have to wake up to that.

01:16:27.620 You need to actually become educated.

01:16:30.300 Make sure your kids can learn how to read and know that everything.

01:16:33.520 They're telling you, they're lying to you about what's happening presently.

01:16:36.480 Can you imagine how much we are being lied to about what happened in the past?

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01:18:12.340 You're totally right, though, about the thing about dumbing down of Americans.

01:18:16.140 I mean, I remember seeing recently, and this was at the Columbia protests over, you know,

01:18:23.760 free Palestine protests or whatever, which is, you know, as if people know me,

01:18:27.820 it's an issue I'm fairly sympathetic to them on.

01:18:30.320 Like, I'm totally against this war and they're protesting against the war.

01:18:33.780 But, I mean, they're going around, like, interviewing Columbia students there.

01:18:37.500 And I just, like, was blown away by how stupid all of them sound.

01:18:40.860 I mean, it's like, this isn't even just, like, a college.

01:18:43.560 This is like an Ivy League college.

01:18:46.140 Like, you, and you would think, like, people protesting a war at an Ivy League college

01:18:51.400 have probably read a couple books about it, you know what I mean, and know what they're

01:18:54.720 talking about.

01:18:55.580 And just the way they speak and how, like, ignorant they are of the whole thing.

01:18:59.680 It's like, really, it was jarring to see.

01:19:02.360 And yet my grandfather, who worked in a factory and never even thought about going to college,

01:19:08.340 but him and all his friends who worked at factories were all way smarter than this.

01:19:11.860 They knew things in the world.

01:19:13.660 Like, they read books and they knew what was going on in the world around them.

01:19:16.600 And it is, yeah, it's, like, Matt Walsh is totally right about that.

01:19:20.240 There's been, and your point, I think, is really, really important.

01:19:23.300 Can't be overstated enough.

01:19:24.800 That also, at the same time, that person, that kid there is like, I go to Columbia, you

01:19:32.280 know?

01:19:32.620 And, like, I have this, I'm getting this piece of paper that means something.

01:19:35.700 And so they have this crazy inflated sense of self that they're, like, a really smart

01:19:42.040 person where it's, like, you're dumber than an average factory worker from a couple generations

01:19:46.960 ago.

01:19:47.680 You know, like, this is, like...

01:19:48.360 You're not smart, kid.

01:19:49.380 In fact, you're so dumb because at least that person knew how to survive.

01:19:52.340 Then you couple that with the fact that the majority of these people, and I am convinced,

01:19:56.160 and this is not a conspiracy theory, this is what I tell people every day, okay?

01:19:59.080 They are recreating slavery, right?

01:20:01.860 And you're not...

01:20:02.440 It's like a magic trick.

01:20:03.860 When you actually study slavery, you go, how is this allowed to happen?

01:20:07.660 The one thing that every slave civilization has in common is there were more slaves than

01:20:10.780 masters.

01:20:11.560 Okay, how?

01:20:12.060 Why didn't you revolt?

01:20:12.760 It's the China equation.

01:20:14.220 Well, one of the things that they made sure of is that slaves were not allowed to learn

01:20:17.680 how to read, right?

01:20:18.480 Because an educated mind, generally speaking, can't be enslaved, right?

01:20:21.120 So when you actually know stuff and you're going, okay, well, actually, this doesn't actually

01:20:25.180 make sense.

01:20:25.640 There's more of us, whatever it is.

01:20:27.060 The breakdown of family was also so important to that because usually a lot of your wisdom

01:20:31.840 comes from having a strong family, you know what I mean?

01:20:34.140 And when people's families are just in complete chaos, this is why communism hated it.

01:20:38.000 Not just wisdom, but self-reliance.

01:20:39.780 You know, your family takes care of you, so you're not dependent on somebody else, you

01:20:43.320 know?

01:20:43.400 And the majority of kids today forget the fact that they know nothing and they're convinced

01:20:46.760 that they know everything.

01:20:47.980 They can't survive.

01:20:49.060 So I'm not kidding.

01:20:49.780 When I say this, and I made this because I realized that little elements make you a slave,

01:20:54.380 not know how to grow food, okay?

01:20:56.280 So I realized this, moved to Tennessee and had a woman that was helping us.

01:21:01.320 She's got like 22 grandchildren.

01:21:03.900 And I realized, I don't know how to grow food.

01:21:06.120 How weird.

01:21:06.800 We've lost this knowledge.

01:21:08.040 Like my grandparents knew how to grow food.

01:21:10.160 My grandparents knew how to hunt.

01:21:11.420 They don't have all these things.

01:21:12.240 We are being convinced that we're becoming more progressive, right?

01:21:15.440 Quite literally, they turn the lights off.

01:21:17.020 Like during COVID, I'm like, if they just took down the electricity for two weeks, everyone

01:21:22.280 in New York City would die, okay?

01:21:23.600 Because they think food comes out of a grocery store.

01:21:25.700 They're so noble.

01:21:26.500 They don't know how to shoot a gun, right?

01:21:27.860 They don't know how to hunt.

01:21:28.780 So I became obsessed.

01:21:30.140 Like I became almost apocalyptic about this stuff.

01:21:31.780 I learned how to grow vegetables.

01:21:32.960 It was shocking.

01:21:33.500 I was so stupid that day, Dave.

01:21:34.980 I gotta tell you, like this woman took me outside, Helen, and I got the seeds.

01:21:38.200 I went to Home Depot.

01:21:38.840 I got the seeds.

01:21:39.420 I'm like, now what do I do?

01:21:41.720 She's like, you put them in the dirt and you see what happens.

01:21:45.480 And it was just this amazing moment where I realized I, in that regard, was a welfare recipient

01:21:50.760 without realizing.

01:21:51.280 I thought grocery, like that it all just happened at a grocery store.

01:21:54.420 Guys, what if that's not there?

01:21:56.160 How are you going to survive?

01:21:57.160 I want you to think like this.

01:21:58.560 Actually, how would you survive?

01:21:59.940 Because your grandparents, if you're my age, most of you don't have your grandparents around.

01:22:03.640 They had that wisdom.

01:22:04.660 They were smarter than you just on the basis that they knew how to survive, okay?

01:22:07.980 They could go outside and they could grow things.

01:22:10.680 They, you know, knew something about hunting.

01:22:12.420 So I learned how to hunt.

01:22:13.180 Not because I want to be this, what do you call it, huntess, this like amazing huntess,

01:22:17.340 but because I do believe that having basic survival skills is something that has like

01:22:22.120 been intentionally wiped from the American mindset.

01:22:25.560 Do you know how to change a tire?

01:22:27.240 Most kids, college educated kids, if you were like, car broke down on the side of the road,

01:22:31.700 all you got to do is take that spare.

01:22:34.060 And they don't know how to do it.

01:22:35.560 They literally think they just have to call someone else.

01:22:38.640 That's a scary thing, not to know how to survive.

01:22:41.260 And also not being totally unaware that they don't know any of those things and having

01:22:46.820 no gratitude at all for the people who do know those things, which is the reason why

01:22:52.660 you're able to survive, you know?

01:22:54.340 They're backwards.

01:22:55.360 They're stupid.

01:22:56.360 They're uneducated.

01:22:57.200 That's the worst thing about like progressive.

01:22:59.200 Lattes sipping nerds.

01:23:00.360 Yes.

01:23:01.040 I like lattes.

01:23:01.880 I shouldn't say that.

01:23:02.320 Sure.

01:23:03.000 But the worst thing about like elite progressives to me is that.

01:23:07.180 It's the the lack of humility and the lack of gratitude for those who are lower than

01:23:13.560 them on the socioeconomic ladder that it's kind of there's this intense judgment of all

01:23:21.240 those like you said, those are the backward racists with their religion.

01:23:26.080 And it's like everything's looking down on those people as you sit here in this like building

01:23:32.220 that was built by blue collar men that with with air conditioning that was built by blue

01:23:37.680 collar men.

01:23:38.440 You know what I mean?

01:23:38.980 With like it literally every inch of this.

01:23:41.200 You had you walked on a road that was paved by a working class mat, you know, and then

01:23:45.840 you sit there and get to talk about whatever dumb new theory.

01:23:50.660 You know what I mean?

01:23:51.140 That is like totally couldn't survive in the outside world at all.

01:23:54.480 You know, like some like thing about whatever, you know, queer theory or whatever you're

01:23:58.920 learning and you get to sit there and feel better than all of those.

01:24:01.720 And that's the thing is like when you look at the situation in Gaza and when you when

01:24:04.720 you kind of want to people that really illustrated it for me because I was ignorant.

01:24:07.300 I didn't know anything.

01:24:08.100 And I genuinely I genuinely and I hope people knew that it was genuine.

01:24:12.760 I don't want to speak about things if I don't know them.

01:24:14.980 And I will tell you that I don't know them.

01:24:16.200 But when you kind of gave me even that situation and I'm like this really all comes down to

01:24:21.900 survival and we've kind of gotten into this place because we have we have not had war

01:24:26.420 on our soil.

01:24:27.020 I mean, you could say like the Civil War and the Revolution War.

01:24:29.280 But I mean, like within recent it's been a long time.

01:24:31.160 So we don't actually know what it means to be forced to have to survive.

01:24:34.180 Right.

01:24:34.940 And we are so privileged.

01:24:36.940 We've been so privileged for so long.

01:24:38.940 And it scares me because eventually the pendulum is going to have to swing.

01:24:42.260 And let me tell you that if that pendulum does swing because we're making a lot of

01:24:45.900 enemies, right, if that pendulum does swing, all of those backwards racist Southern people

01:24:51.680 that the media detests so much are going to be the first people that are hit up.

01:24:54.640 So I play this game with my husband, too, where we're like, let's just play Apocalypse.

01:24:57.220 Like, who are we allowing onto the farm?

01:24:59.040 You know, you got to have a skill set to come into our house.

01:25:01.220 And I'm like, you know, that girl, I mean, I guess she could be entertainment.

01:25:04.140 We could feed her.

01:25:04.900 I'm like, but like, do you know how to sew?

01:25:06.680 Like, what is your actual skill set that if things went down, I'm letting you into my tribe?

01:25:11.560 And so that's how I judge her right now.

01:25:12.640 I'm like, I don't know if I would have you.

01:25:14.300 You know, I don't know.

01:25:15.020 I don't know yet if I would have you're funny.

01:25:17.320 Yeah, we'll say that you're also really smart.

01:25:19.680 You do need someone like I like there's there.

01:25:21.580 You have top.

01:25:22.200 I just like, do you do so?

01:25:23.900 My wife will cover a lot of those bases for you.

01:25:26.660 She gardens.

01:25:28.240 She's in.

01:25:28.800 Yeah.

01:25:29.560 And you can.

01:25:30.440 And we talked about that.

01:25:31.040 We were like, would we make them divorce when we take them both?

01:25:32.920 We talked about that phase of things where when you're building your tribe and you're

01:25:36.100 like, hey, he doesn't know anything, but his wife knows everything.

01:25:38.960 Do we force her to get divorced so she can come in?

01:25:40.980 She's really attached to me.

01:25:42.080 You're going to have to work you're going to have to work all right.

01:25:43.920 We'll take you both.

01:25:44.660 We'll take you both into our apocalyptic tribe.

01:25:47.000 But I say this like half jokingly, because I think that we are becoming dumber and dumber

01:25:52.360 and dumber.

01:25:52.900 We have no real skills anymore.

01:25:54.540 And you you think.

01:25:55.960 Yeah.

01:25:56.300 No, there's there's no question about that.

01:25:58.120 And that's that's part of the danger.

01:26:00.880 Most women don't even know how to cook.

01:26:02.240 And they think it's like a sign of status because the Hollywood people, they'll show these

01:26:06.140 like feminists being like, I don't even know how to cook.

01:26:08.360 Like, I don't even I don't even know how to boil water.

01:26:10.980 And I'm like, ah, not in my job.

01:26:15.420 Good luck getting in one of these tribes.

01:26:17.020 I'm going to have I've got a few competing ones that I'm going to be like, I'm going to

01:26:19.760 be calling Rogan's survivalist tribe.

01:26:22.940 I'm very honest.

01:26:23.480 I might go with Rogan on this one.

01:26:24.800 He's going to be like he's like jujitsu.

01:26:26.320 He can fight.

01:26:26.940 Yeah.

01:26:27.040 Stuff like that.

01:26:27.860 Yeah.

01:26:28.300 And by the way, like jujitsu doesn't really help.

01:26:29.900 You got to be able to shoot because like.

01:26:30.980 Yeah.

01:26:31.100 No, he's good.

01:26:33.620 He's good.

01:26:34.140 No, but I think I mean, there is and it's not even just, you know, what if some apocalyptic

01:26:40.060 thing happens, which also is a concern.

01:26:42.800 I mean, we've been through some pretty unstable years over the last few years in America.

01:26:47.880 And it does make you wonder, especially because I think also that as most people know, even

01:26:53.220 if they don't really like intellectually know this, they do kind of know to some degree

01:26:56.440 that like, you know, American dominance is all a house of cards, right?

01:27:00.640 That like none of this is real.

01:27:01.940 Like it was at one point, like America did become the richest country in the world because

01:27:06.700 our productive capacity was so much greater than the rest of the world.

01:27:09.900 That was why we were once like the economic envy of the world.

01:27:15.280 But it's not anymore.

01:27:16.520 Now it's just over military dominance and exporting paper money.

01:27:21.020 You know what I mean?

01:27:21.500 And that's not very sustainable, or at least that could collapse.

01:27:26.240 You know what I mean?

01:27:26.860 If you can't militarily dominate the world anymore.

01:27:29.180 But also I do just think it's very bad.

01:27:32.000 It's bad for your soul to be that removed from reality, to be that removed from nature,

01:27:37.540 and also just to like have contempt for your fellow people because they're not as privileged

01:27:44.840 as you.

01:27:45.500 It's weirdly, while the progressives are like obsessed with privilege and like that never

01:27:50.420 came up.

01:27:51.020 That never like entered into your equation that there's like, okay, you're at an elite

01:27:56.020 university and there's an entire working class.

01:27:58.800 You're privileged above them.

01:28:00.880 You know, like, and you're supposed to know that, like you're supposed to know that that

01:28:03.880 should come with some obligations.

01:28:05.340 That should come with some feeling of gratitude.

01:28:07.520 Like there's nothing wrong with being in the elite.

01:28:10.480 You need an elite.

01:28:11.580 Every society has an elite.

01:28:13.340 That's the nature of humans.

01:28:14.800 Like we form hierarchies.

01:28:16.380 We're always going to, no matter how much you fight against that.

01:28:19.580 Even the commies had very, you could argue the most severe hierarchies in like communism.

01:28:26.540 But just being totally removed and almost pretending none of that exists.

01:28:31.460 This is the thing that's so devastating about it is that you have today, like you have kids

01:28:37.920 at an elite college university at an Ivy league university who genuinely, like they could pass

01:28:45.000 a lie detector test, they'll go like, well, I'm non-binary, so I'm really like an oppressed

01:28:50.760 minority.

01:28:52.380 You're like, you are an oppressed minority?

01:28:54.320 They're so dumb.

01:28:55.120 Get out of here.

01:28:55.780 I thank goodness.

01:28:56.520 And it's funny because that's all they have is like their stupid, meaningless degrees.

01:28:59.720 Like when they try to insult me because my family quite literally couldn't afford when

01:29:03.480 Sally Mae had the collapse, my family didn't have money to go to college.

01:29:06.000 Like I had to drop out of University of Rhode Island because I couldn't pay $35,000 a year.

01:29:11.280 And they're like, ha, ha, ha, ha.

01:29:12.260 Like they loved calling me that for the longest time.

01:29:14.620 Like she's just a college dropout.

01:29:15.760 And I'm like, what does your degree, you can't survive.

01:29:18.540 You literally don't know how to survive.

01:29:20.240 You have resentment toward the blue collar worker.

01:29:23.020 And I believe, by the way, this gets into what you were saying before we started, which

01:29:25.980 I want you to say now, how you were illustrating how, why they really don't like the populist

01:29:29.920 people.

01:29:30.480 The blue collar worker is actually a guard against governance.

01:29:34.640 Like I actually, the government deeply resents the blue collar worker for a reason.

01:29:38.280 And you kind of said it way more eloquently.

01:29:40.700 So I'd like you to restate it.

01:29:41.840 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:29:42.340 Well, I was talking about, there's this piece that Murray Rothbard wrote, which was like

01:29:46.900 a brilliant mind.

01:29:48.620 I, to me, like the most brilliant political thinker of the 20th century.

01:29:54.420 And he wrote this piece.

01:29:55.640 It was, it was, it was kind of one of the most controversial pieces, maybe the most controversial

01:29:59.980 piece he ever wrote.

01:30:00.920 Um, and I don't think it should be, I think it's a really great piece.

01:30:04.380 It was really brilliant, but he was writing about David Duke who ran for a governor, um,

01:30:09.660 in the nineties and how he was, he was writing about how the whole establishment freaked out

01:30:14.600 when, when he ran.

01:30:15.880 And if you could imagine it was, you know, this was, he was running for governor, but it

01:30:19.640 was kind of, you know, if you could imagine the way people freak out about Trump, it was

01:30:23.680 kind of like that type of freak out where the entire establishment was brought in to crush

01:30:27.700 this guy and including the Republican establishment, the democratic establishment, the entire corporate

01:30:32.080 media.

01:30:32.820 Um, and of course, David Duke to most people today, I think all they know him of is you're

01:30:36.960 like the racist guy.

01:30:38.120 I don't know what I mean.

01:30:38.880 Like literally, I don't know much about him.

01:30:40.820 He's a white supremacist, racist, and you're supposed to bring him up like you bring off

01:30:43.700 Adolf Hitler.

01:30:44.180 Exactly.

01:30:44.940 And so, but at this point he had been polling pretty well and then they really moved in

01:30:49.160 to crush him.

01:30:49.660 And what Rothbard was writing about was like, he was like, well, look, why is it that this

01:30:54.000 guy freaked out the whole system?

01:30:56.020 His exact words were, he sure did scare the bejesus out of him.

01:30:59.660 And what he, he was kind of talking about how like, okay, well you could say it's because

01:31:03.820 he used to be in the clown when he was in his twenties.

01:31:06.520 Except the problem with that is that you got like Bird and the Senate and like all these

01:31:10.680 other people, they were also clownsmen, you know, and there are all these, and no one

01:31:13.300 has a problem with them.

01:31:14.320 They're like totally accepting it.

01:31:15.980 And he goes through it and he's like, well, really what it is, is it's that the regime freaks

01:31:21.900 out over right-wing populism.

01:31:24.260 And this, I think really is a huge component to understanding why they hate Donald Trump

01:31:31.360 so much.

01:31:31.820 Cause it like, if you really think about it, Donald Trump, first off, he's as American

01:31:37.860 as apple pie.

01:31:38.700 It's Donald Trump.

01:31:40.560 He literally, my entire childhood, he was the like stand in for rich guy.

01:31:46.620 You know what I mean?

01:31:47.220 Like if someone was like, ah, lunch is on you.

01:31:48.980 You're like, what am I, Donald Trump?

01:31:50.200 You know, like that was just like who it was.

01:31:52.100 He was the most American figure ever, beloved by Hollywood and the establishment and all

01:31:56.720 of that.

01:31:57.020 Hip hop world, everybody.

01:31:57.760 Yes, everybody.

01:31:58.240 He was the guy, the big gold letters, Trump.

01:32:00.080 Symbol of status.

01:32:00.760 Yes.

01:32:01.460 And he really, I mean, if you look at say like the four years he was in there, you know,

01:32:06.900 he did a couple good things around the edges.

01:32:09.220 He did some very bad things, but he was no real threat to the establishment.

01:32:12.800 It's not like the military industrial complex wasn't making their profits anymore because

01:32:17.000 Donald Trump was in there.

01:32:18.260 The big banks had a real rough four years.

01:32:20.280 It's like, no, business as usual went on.

01:32:22.540 Um, obviously he's very bombastic rhetorically, but what, what really I think freaks them

01:32:29.400 out about Donald Trump is that he's leading a right wing populist movement and that scares

01:32:34.420 the elite in a way that left wing populism never will like left wing populism.

01:32:39.200 They're not necessarily a fan of it.

01:32:40.760 I mean, look, they rigged the democratic primaries against Bernie Sanders.

01:32:43.700 They weren't about to let him be the nominee.

01:32:45.260 It's too, he's pointing the finger at billionaires and big banks and turns out billionaires and

01:32:49.440 big banks have a lot of power.

01:32:50.700 They don't like that so much.

01:32:51.720 You know what I mean?

01:32:52.160 So like there's, it's not that they love communism or socialism, but what is Bernie Sanders really

01:32:57.880 leading a movement of?

01:32:59.280 I mean, the people who were they, a bunch of male feminists on college campus.

01:33:04.060 What are they going to do?

01:33:05.100 Are they really going to, but who is Donald Trump leading a movement of every barrel chested

01:33:09.760 man in America loves Donald Trump.

01:33:12.700 Every tough like dude that has a shotgun loves Donald Trump.

01:33:17.820 They don't like people like that.

01:33:19.420 It's part of the same reason they don't like Alex Jones.

01:33:21.300 You know, it's like that's, that movement is something dangerous to them.

01:33:26.120 And that's, that's one of the reasons why they crack down on this.

01:33:28.780 And it's this, it's, it's can also be explained like why masculinity in general is under such

01:33:34.640 attack.

01:33:35.120 You know what I mean?

01:33:35.620 They don't like tough men.

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01:34:32.240 This is one of the things that I speak about with like the Andrew and Tristan Tate phenomenon.

01:34:35.960 Yeah.

01:34:36.240 Where I'm like, okay, like I am, I'm not a person that would ever defend the pornography

01:34:41.220 industry that they were involved.

01:34:42.480 But when I looked up and I saw like the entire world coming after these two brothers, I was

01:34:47.540 going, okay, what is this actually about?

01:34:48.760 And then I started watching his videos and I was like, oh, okay.

01:34:51.140 So he's talking like old school masculinity, like, you know, and he's saying stuff that's

01:34:54.960 like as if like the matriarchy, which I believe that we're actually existing under, time to

01:34:59.680 be like, step aside, B-I-T-C-Hs, you know, after you guys have been saying all this stuff

01:35:03.560 and men have been subjugated, they're saying the exact opposite.

01:35:06.020 They're like, F that B-I-T-H.

01:35:07.800 Like, this is not even a girl that you want to marry.

01:35:09.240 And the mass freakout was really because what the establishment fears is real men.

01:35:14.040 It feels real men that will rise up and say, you know what, actually, I will defend my

01:35:17.840 wife.

01:35:18.080 I would defend my kids if it really comes down to it.

01:35:19.980 They don't want that.

01:35:20.640 That's why they want to rip apart families because it allows them to have more power.

01:35:23.420 That's why they're pushing these agendas, the trans agenda and, you know, homosexuality.

01:35:28.640 They're trying to mainstream all this because it disrupts the nuclear family.

01:35:31.220 Nuclear family, and everyone knew this, Karl Marx wrote about this extensively, is a threat

01:35:35.780 to government omnipotence.

01:35:39.060 If you want to be a government and you want to be omnipotent, you have to radically tear

01:35:42.640 apart the family in every means that you can.

01:35:44.880 Essentially, redefine what it even means to be a family.

01:35:47.280 Oh, you're a woman who identifies as a fish?

01:35:49.480 Well, you can get married to another woman who identifies as a tiger, and you can go get

01:35:54.260 your kids.

01:35:54.880 You're going to turn to the government, and we're going to tell you how you can get some

01:35:57.400 IVF children.

01:35:58.160 Like, let's just disrupt what it means to be a normal, natural, biological family.

01:36:02.620 Yeah.

01:36:02.940 Like, that's the war.

01:36:03.960 From every inch of statism, like every inch of the government, take whatever, you know,

01:36:14.280 like you could pick anything.

01:36:15.120 Take Social Security.

01:36:17.020 And it's like, okay, well, what was Social Security before there was Social Security?

01:36:21.180 It's like, well, that was your family.

01:36:22.180 Yeah, your family was Social Security.

01:36:23.380 Like, the idea was like, you took care of your kids when they were young and helpless,

01:36:27.540 and then when you were old and helpless, they would take care of you.

01:36:30.540 That was kind of the trade-off there, right?

01:36:32.180 If you think about who, okay, so before public schools, who was doing the teaching?

01:36:36.880 Well, it was the family, or it was the community, it was the church, you know?

01:36:40.360 If you think about even like the way people kind of like very weirdly worship political

01:36:47.300 figures, you know, I think during COVID, like if you remember the treatment, the Cuomo-sexual.

01:36:52.660 The signs for Fauci in the yard.

01:36:54.740 The Fauci things.

01:36:55.640 Yeah, there's like very weird.

01:36:56.980 It's like, okay, so who, at every inch of this, you see like, wait, whose government's

01:37:01.360 competition?

01:37:02.840 The family, the community, the church.

01:37:06.660 That's their competition.

01:37:07.980 That's who they're in business against.

01:37:10.180 So why, now, now I go, well, why is it that all of the halls of power are constantly

01:37:15.760 demonizing the family, masculinity, the community, religion, you know, like all the things that

01:37:23.220 are in competition with government?

01:37:24.680 I mean, and the more like totalitarian that states become, the more necessary it is to

01:37:30.640 squash all of those things.

01:37:31.880 I mean, in fact, you can't have them because it's just, look, people who have strong families,

01:37:37.200 which are, you know, okay, as everybody knows, always led by strong masculinity.

01:37:42.420 I mean, that's the way you have strong families.

01:37:44.520 They don't really exist without that.

01:37:46.200 Okay.

01:37:46.520 So without strong men and strong family, people who have those strong families are independent.

01:37:51.100 They don't need to be dependent on the government.

01:37:52.920 The government relies on you being dependent on them.

01:37:55.140 And in terms of like organized religion, there's, look, it's just all of those people,

01:38:02.080 right, who you say, who are putting Fauci, you know, worshiping Fauci as a god or worshiping

01:38:07.320 Andrew Cuomo or whoever it might be, none of them were devout religious people because

01:38:12.220 devout religious people don't worship other people.

01:38:14.520 That's like one characteristic that they have because they already have their god.

01:38:17.880 They're not looking for another god to worship.

01:38:20.100 You know what I mean?

01:38:20.640 And in fact, almost every single religion, almost everyone, you know, like in the first

01:38:25.680 commandment is almost always don't worship things that aren't god.

01:38:30.140 You only worship god.

01:38:31.640 That's what makes them god.

01:38:32.580 And if you're worshiping something else like it's god, whether that's yourself or another

01:38:36.540 person or just a symbol, that's blasphemy because you're not supposed, and so there's

01:38:42.320 something that is deeply powerful in that, like even if you're not religious, even it

01:38:46.760 just like from an atheist perspective, there's something powerful about that because it robs

01:38:51.600 would-be tyrants of their ability to put themselves forward as a god, which by the way,

01:38:57.280 they always do.

01:38:58.360 Right.

01:38:58.640 They always do.

01:38:59.420 That's the reason why in these communist societies, they didn't allow faith.

01:39:01.560 They basically said you're not allowed to be faithful because they wanted your only

01:39:04.660 faith to be government.

01:39:05.500 And that's one of the things I actually don't believe in atheism.

01:39:08.080 I think you just transfer your faith into something else.

01:39:10.940 And usually that thing is man, right?

01:39:12.600 And you see that happen so often with people that are not faithful.

01:39:15.700 They are radically, they believe in man.

01:39:17.880 And I saw that with Sam Harris.

01:39:19.440 I had the dweebiest conversation with him ever during COVID.

01:39:21.960 He like attacked me for like going outside publicly.

01:39:24.060 And I was like, dude, you sound unhinged.

01:39:26.320 And literally, he sounded like he was in a bunker.

01:39:28.280 Like Dave Rubin got me to get on the phone with him.

01:39:29.860 He's like, you two are both my friends, like just speak through this.

01:39:32.320 And when I got on the phone with him, he was just like, you don't understand.

01:39:34.260 It's going to be gurney's in the street.

01:39:35.560 Like I'm keeping my family inside.

01:39:37.520 We're not going anywhere.

01:39:38.320 And I listened to him like out of respect.

01:39:40.060 But then I hung up the phone and I turned to my husband.

01:39:41.520 I was literally about to go into an event and shake hands.

01:39:43.200 I was like, that man is like literally insane.

01:39:44.760 He's insane.

01:39:45.300 But he's an atheist.

01:39:46.560 So actually, if you believe that this is it.

01:39:48.920 See, he's pretty religious.

01:39:49.800 Right.

01:39:50.140 This is it.

01:39:50.900 This is it.

01:39:51.440 There's nothing more to life.

01:39:52.480 But you living on this earth, you will worship whatever is created to give you one more day

01:39:56.720 on this earth.

01:39:57.200 And that is what Sam Harris became.

01:39:58.800 So mask up, social distinguish.

01:40:00.760 That's right.

01:40:01.260 These are your new sacraments.

01:40:02.960 Dr. Fauci is your God.

01:40:04.520 You're not an atheist, bro.

01:40:05.800 Okay.

01:40:06.020 You're a humanist.

01:40:07.260 You believe in humans so much that are going to rescue you and keep you alive.

01:40:11.080 But actually, that is your faith.

01:40:12.840 Like you believe in man.

01:40:14.200 The greatest flaw in atheism is that it doesn't exist.

01:40:18.140 Right.

01:40:18.480 It doesn't exist.

01:40:19.140 That's really the problem.

01:40:20.140 I love that.

01:40:21.540 There's no such thing.

01:40:21.560 It just doesn't exist.

01:40:22.860 You see it all the time as somebody who says they're a devout atheist.

01:40:25.900 And then whatever their thing is, it's like January 6th was an insurrection and threat

01:40:29.680 to our democracy.

01:40:30.760 And it's like religion.

01:40:31.960 Yep.

01:40:32.420 Climate change.

01:40:33.460 Religion.

01:40:33.700 Religion.

01:40:34.320 The world's going to end.

01:40:35.140 I'm like, you're actually.

01:40:35.920 Wokeism.

01:40:36.240 Religion.

01:40:36.760 They're cults.

01:40:37.160 But they're all little cults.

01:40:38.080 By the way, libertarianism is another one.

01:40:40.700 I've seen this out of like hardcore atheist libertarians where then libertarianism becomes

01:40:45.000 their religion.

01:40:45.800 I mean, like all of this stuff, it's like the desire to worship is so hardwired in us

01:40:54.180 that you just can't get out.

01:40:55.980 You can't get out of it.

01:40:57.160 You're going to worship something.

01:40:58.960 And then what ends up happening is that if you don't have God in your life, then whatever

01:41:04.140 is next in line, like whatever your highest thing is, becomes your God.

01:41:10.340 Like it's, and I don't mean that like literally, like you don't necessarily have to ascribe

01:41:15.420 supernatural like elements to it, but it kind of doesn't matter.

01:41:21.060 It's like once it's at the top of your hierarchy, it's kind of like you're going to end up worshiping

01:41:26.760 this in some sense.

01:41:27.640 That that's not just in a rational way, in an irrational way, because we're not rational

01:41:31.880 creatures, at least not entirely.

01:41:34.020 And, you know, you can, that could be not so bad.

01:41:37.300 Like if you, let's say you're in like a really great marriage and you really love your kids

01:41:43.820 and that's the most important thing to you.

01:41:45.940 Like you don't have God in your life, but like you have a really great marriage and really,

01:41:48.980 and you're really good to your kids.

01:41:50.320 And that almost kind of becomes like what you worship.

01:41:53.680 That's okay.

01:41:54.280 You know, like that, that could be all right.

01:41:56.200 You could still be like a good person and get through that.

01:41:58.480 But man, like if you don't have that also, like if you don't have a marriage and you don't

01:42:02.340 have kids and you don't have God, whatever the next thing, which almost always ends up

01:42:08.000 being yourself in one form or another, you end up like creating this religion to yourself.

01:42:13.920 I mean, look, when you see, um, what's her name?

01:42:16.580 Uh, Chelsea Handler, who's always constantly trying to convince everybody how happy she is.

01:42:20.380 I'm like, maybe she is.

01:42:21.540 I don't know.

01:42:21.960 I'm really happy.

01:42:22.860 But it's like, but it's, she's like, you know, uh, skiing, skiing, skiing in a bikini,

01:42:28.500 smoking a blunt, like chugging wine.

01:42:30.580 Look how happy I am.

01:42:31.220 I mean, he's like, no, you're, this is, but this is a religious like service right now.

01:42:35.340 You're just worshiping the cell.

01:42:36.880 I mean, this is, and it's the lowest of it.

01:42:39.160 Like it's so much better.

01:42:40.640 Even if you don't believe in God, like God is real, but even if you don't believe God

01:42:45.000 is real, going to like a church and all being in a community and all deciding that there's

01:42:52.420 something more important than any of us, you know, there's something greater than all of

01:42:56.920 us.

01:42:57.280 There's more important than us.

01:42:58.400 And we're all going to worship that thing is so much better for you than worshiping

01:43:03.240 yourself and just decadence and just like whatever feels good in this moment.

01:43:08.040 I mean, like every, everything we have, everything about civilization comes down to time

01:43:13.200 preference.

01:43:13.600 In other words, to deferred gratification, everything we have, including ourselves existing, like

01:43:20.100 is because for so many generations, people had kids and thought about the next generation

01:43:25.800 and like worked first, you know, what's that old line that I'll end up butchering, but like

01:43:29.820 a man plants a tree, the shade of which he knows he'll never see or whatever.

01:43:34.240 It's like, you're doing things for the future, you know?

01:43:36.780 And that's what civilization is when you think about it.

01:43:39.160 The essence of civilization is like, okay, we're going to start planting crops for next

01:43:44.680 season.

01:43:45.480 We're going to start building now.

01:43:47.280 We won't have shelter now.

01:43:48.720 We're going to start building now.

01:43:50.280 Actually, right now is going to suck a lot more because we have to build something.

01:43:54.440 We have to work.

01:43:55.380 But later, it'll be a little bit better.

01:43:57.820 It's always like, like putting your effort to something greater than just you right now in

01:44:04.660 this moment and even you next year could be something greater than just you in this moment

01:44:09.100 right now.

01:44:09.660 And that's what's so tragic about like militant atheism is whether they mean to or not, they

01:44:18.660 always end up robbing like the thing that's greater than you, which is the best part of

01:44:23.460 life, by the way.

01:44:23.920 It really is.

01:44:24.620 The best part of life.

01:44:25.120 Best part of life is, and this is a real, like there's a, there's a seeming contradiction

01:44:30.920 or an irony or something like that in it.

01:44:32.860 Right.

01:44:33.160 But everybody knows this on some level, the best thing in life, the happiest you could

01:44:37.620 ever be is when you're putting other people above yourself.

01:44:40.540 I can't explain that in better words.

01:44:42.700 I think that you've just described that so eloquently.

01:44:44.460 And I, regarding faith, that's what I try to tell people is it lifts the burden.

01:44:48.900 And it's one of the strangest things.

01:44:50.620 Like, obviously my life has changed a lot this year and people have asked me and they've

01:44:54.740 checked in with me.

01:44:55.260 And I remember being on this like Catholic pilgrimage, which is one of the things that

01:44:57.540 I did right after.

01:44:58.940 Literally you walk 69 miles in three days.

01:45:01.700 It's unbelievable.

01:45:02.220 It's nothing, the pain that your body's going through and you're walking in your little

01:45:06.600 tribe.

01:45:07.140 I was in the American Australian group and you've got a priest and you're praying the rosary.

01:45:11.780 And I remember having a conversation with this priest and it's so hard to explain to

01:45:15.700 people that when you fully accept, and it's not even accept, it's like, it's just an

01:45:20.160 understanding.

01:45:20.800 Like now, really, honestly, history and politics even brought me closer to faith.

01:45:24.380 Cause I was like, it's all about faith.

01:45:25.720 You just don't realize it, that your faith is being converted.

01:45:28.360 It lifts a burden, like to have to be your own God.

01:45:33.300 That's why you're like awful.

01:45:34.620 Cause you're not meant to do that.

01:45:35.800 Like you're not, you're not a God and you're bad at that.

01:45:38.780 But when you actually, you're, you suck at that.

01:45:41.240 You actually, but then when you actually realize that there's this huge picture and that this

01:45:45.800 is not it and that God is real, I can't explain to you.

01:45:49.300 There's like a lightness in my steps now.

01:45:51.220 And I think that might be what is driving the media even more crazy about me is that

01:45:56.840 I'm happy suffering.

01:45:58.220 Like they're like, but we've called you everything.

01:46:00.660 We've called you everything short of a rapist.

01:46:02.560 And we're working on that one.

01:46:03.580 We've called you a self-aiding black person.

01:46:05.180 We've called you an anti-semi.

01:46:06.820 We've called you a racist.

01:46:07.960 We've called you a halvacost denier.

01:46:09.480 How are you still smiling and happy?

01:46:11.520 And I'm like, dude, cause I realized how small and meaningless that is.

01:46:15.860 When you have true meaning, then the meaninglessness becomes even more apparent.

01:46:20.120 And I'm like, you're dweebs.

01:46:21.920 You're all getting, it doesn't, you mean nothing in the scheme of things.

01:46:25.700 And now I'm living for things that actually matter.

01:46:28.040 And it's all been right here in front of me.

01:46:30.120 It's like, what does the Bible tell you about family?

01:46:32.620 About, it's like, then you're like, oh wow, this book that they conveniently removed,

01:46:35.760 the department of education did.

01:46:36.660 One of the first moves that was done was the lawsuits that went through.

01:46:40.200 And then suddenly you're like, no, don't teach the Bible.

01:46:42.060 It's like this great book of wisdom and it's, it's just a beautiful, it's a beautiful thing.

01:46:46.620 And I wish people could have that happiness and have that lightness in their step by knowing

01:46:50.160 that like all of this means a lot, but also in the end, all of it is really meaningless.

01:46:54.980 Like you are so small and there's something that's so beautiful when you truly come to

01:47:00.420 the understanding of just how small and insignificant you are.

01:47:04.680 And no, that sounds like a great paradox.

01:47:06.280 And yeah, no, but it's, it, it does and it kind of is, but it, it weirdly also is not.

01:47:12.100 And like, look for me, at least like, I was, I was an atheist for many years.

01:47:17.400 Me too.

01:47:18.060 I found God, you know, right, right.

01:47:20.480 You know, the thing is like, cause it's like, it's not, it's a weird, it's like, no, I always,

01:47:24.920 you, when you find God, you realize you always kind of knew, you know, so it's kind of a weird

01:47:29.580 dynamic.

01:47:30.820 But one of the things, at least for me personally, I'll say that really changed, um, that has

01:47:36.860 enormously improved the quality of my life is that I just, I, I spend time almost every

01:47:46.060 day.

01:47:46.280 I want to say every day, I mean, I might miss a day here or there, but almost every

01:47:49.200 day I spend time being really grateful for what I have.

01:47:52.720 And that was something I never even really thought to do before I like had a relationship

01:47:56.880 with God.

01:47:57.380 Like it was always just kind of like, well, I don't know, this is here.

01:48:00.360 It's just here.

01:48:01.120 And that's what we're doing.

01:48:01.900 What would be fun?

01:48:03.040 Okay.

01:48:03.300 This would be fun to go do or whatever.

01:48:05.080 And now I try at least once every single day to just be spent just like a few moments

01:48:10.960 being so grateful.

01:48:12.740 And I was like, what an amazing gift this world is.

01:48:15.260 I have so much.

01:48:16.420 I have like a great family.

01:48:17.940 I love my career.

01:48:19.040 I love, you know what I mean?

01:48:19.940 Like, it's like, wow, I've got it really good right now.

01:48:21.960 And I also recognize that that could go away.

01:48:23.780 You know, like it's a lot of this is out of my power, but like, hey, I'm so grateful

01:48:27.680 that I have this all right now.

01:48:29.640 And that makes you a much happier person, like to be grateful for what you have.

01:48:35.460 And then also there's things where it's like, look, even anybody who's got kids out there

01:48:39.340 knows that there's just something about like, you know, the joy your kid brings you is just

01:48:44.140 like you can't, you know, it's just, you don't, you'll never get that out of yourself.

01:48:47.500 Yeah, you can't explain that.

01:48:48.820 And I just want, I want everyone to be a parent because of that, because I'm just like, you

01:48:51.560 cannot explain the joy that children bring in your life.

01:48:55.520 It's, it's, it's inscribable.

01:48:57.060 Even when they're driving you insane, like you're cracking up afterwards, you're speaking,

01:49:02.080 you're speaking to my husband, I'm just like, what is he even like, who's he listening to?

01:49:05.220 And then I'm like, he gets that from you.

01:49:06.520 And he's like, he gets that from you, right?

01:49:08.500 When he's being a perfect angel, he gets that from me.

01:49:10.880 I've had those conversations with my wife.

01:49:12.700 And it is, it's, it's so beautiful and I want people to be encouraged in that and to

01:49:17.120 follow people that make you understand that.

01:49:19.620 And I think Dave, for whatever reason, like, obviously you're one of the ones, is how I

01:49:23.580 say it.

01:49:24.060 I'm a vibe person.

01:49:25.360 People that listen to this podcast know I'm a vibe.

01:49:27.240 Don't roll your eyes, crew.

01:49:29.300 And I just got a vibe from you.

01:49:31.080 Like I, and actually I credit to Skylar, because when you weren't on my radar and Skylar, when

01:49:35.080 we were back on the old show was like, God, I got to Skylar, listen to Dave Smith for a long

01:49:38.100 time.

01:49:38.280 I got to Skylar.

01:49:38.780 I'm like, who is this Dave Smith?

01:49:39.840 And like some clips were going by of you.

01:49:41.080 And then I started listening to stuff and I was like, wow.

01:49:42.280 Okay.

01:49:42.760 He's one of the ones and people feel it.

01:49:45.260 The vibey people out there.

01:49:46.680 It's like Tucker Carlson.

01:49:48.120 There's you.

01:49:48.920 There's Joe Rogan.

01:49:50.200 And I just feel like God is putting you in some position.

01:49:53.460 And, and I also feel this way about Andrew Tate in a weird, people go, how could you think

01:49:57.340 that?

01:49:57.540 I don't know.

01:49:57.840 I just feel like God gave him that platform and now he's recognizing I have this huge

01:50:00.820 platform and tons of young boys are listening to me.

01:50:03.140 What am I going to do with that?

01:50:04.260 And everybody's walk up to that moment is complicated, but you're in this unique position.

01:50:08.960 People are really starting to listen to you.

01:50:10.740 And I know it was just like a very heavy question, but how do you see what's happening right

01:50:15.360 now?

01:50:15.560 Like, how are you taking that?

01:50:16.980 I guess that responsibility.

01:50:18.020 Like, are you just, I'm just going to commit myself to saying the truth and be bold and

01:50:21.580 saying the truth and hope that that's enough.

01:50:23.700 Or are you like working on some other stuff?

01:50:25.540 Are you working on a book?

01:50:26.220 Like, I feel like a lot of the false idols are falling apart is what I mean.

01:50:30.320 When I say the scales from people's eyes and like, you're kind of one of the people that

01:50:32.980 people are realizing is really authentic.

01:50:35.860 Well, I mean, I think you're really one of those people.

01:50:39.240 Um, but I do, I think it's, uh, it's not, well, I think like number one is kind of unlike

01:50:45.000 what I was saying before.

01:50:45.880 It's not lost on me how cool it is, what I get to do and how kind of, you know, it's

01:50:50.460 a big deal.

01:50:51.120 It's a big deal to like, have your voice heard by so many people and to always like, uh, treat

01:50:55.920 that with respect.

01:50:57.000 And then my job, I feel like is to really know my stuff and not, you know, cause it's

01:51:02.340 always like, we're all human beings.

01:51:04.400 So we all have a tendency to like, uh, cut corners or like not.

01:51:08.040 And you're like, no, no, no.

01:51:08.600 I have to make sure I do my homework.

01:51:09.960 I have to make sure I'm right, at least to the best of my ability.

01:51:12.820 I'm, I'm correct about all this stuff.

01:51:14.720 But like, as I was saying to you before, I think the way I look at it is like, so as,

01:51:21.600 you know, as people know, uh, in September, 2001, uh, nine 11 happens in 2003, we invade

01:51:28.300 Iraq.

01:51:29.180 All of 2002 was building the propaganda campaign to invade Iraq the entire year.

01:51:36.780 If you remember, if you're old enough to remember what that year was like every single week,

01:51:41.840 the New York times and CNN and Fox news and every, like every powerful person was making

01:51:48.260 sure that everyone knew that obviously Saddam Hussein has nuclear weapons and he was clearly

01:51:54.380 in on nine 11 and he's going to give one of these nukes off to Al Qaeda and is then the

01:51:59.560 next nine 11 is going to be a nuclear bomb dropping on America.

01:52:02.860 So what are you, you know, what are you a queer or you want to go bomb Iraq?

01:52:06.260 Those are your two options, right?

01:52:07.760 Like, are you America hating wimp or do you want to go bomb Iraq?

01:52:11.200 And at the time there was just, we had nothing like what we have right now.

01:52:15.920 And I go, if they tried to do that again into now we got Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson and

01:52:21.080 Candace Owens and literally the biggest shows in the world would all just be shredding that

01:52:26.000 propaganda, just destroying it if they tried to do it now.

01:52:29.120 And so like, I think there's this crazy new thing that we have now where, and this is

01:52:33.540 why I think part of why the elites are freaking out so much, why they freak out about you so

01:52:37.820 much is because it's like, they feel they're losing control and they are, they're right.

01:52:41.920 They've lost the monopoly on information, which is like a crazy thing to lose.

01:52:46.300 And then to your question about me, I kind of see my role as being like, oh, well, I'm,

01:52:53.160 I'm fortunate enough that I get to be one of the guys who's like on all of these shows

01:52:58.660 and like being like, okay, so when I'm on them, my job is to like make the most overwhelming,

01:53:03.780 compelling pitch of like, here's why this propaganda is all complete bullshit and why

01:53:09.380 you should know that.

01:53:10.280 Um, so I just feel, I feel like that's my role.

01:53:13.200 I don't know.

01:53:13.760 I don't have any plans to write a book because I'm not a particularly good writer.

01:53:17.440 Um, I'm much better verbally than I am at writing.

01:53:21.060 I've never been a very good writer and I just feel like there's great people who already

01:53:24.140 do that, but just know anyone out there, if I ever, if I ever write a book, just know

01:53:28.940 I didn't write that book.

01:53:30.120 You should do a podcast series.

01:53:30.880 That's what you should do, a podcast series going like every war.

01:53:33.920 You know what I mean?

01:53:34.560 Yeah.

01:53:35.040 Well, that's.

01:53:35.420 Cause that's what you're brilliant at.

01:53:36.300 You're really brilliant at.

01:53:37.160 Like when you don't, when I was like, oh, I actually realized I'm nothing about this issue.

01:53:40.360 You're able to just kind of break it down in layman terms.

01:53:43.220 I think that really is your gift.

01:53:44.860 Like when you were debating Amin, you're like, okay, let's just pause for a second.

01:53:48.300 Let me break down what's actually, what, what he's saying and apply it to something else.

01:53:52.240 And I think that is what's missing is that so much of history has been wiped.

01:53:55.500 I don't remember that year.

01:53:56.640 Cause I was so young when 9-11 happened, we need to start going backwards and slowing down

01:54:01.260 history.

01:54:01.580 And I think like doing the history of war with like, that's like an easy series that you should

01:54:06.500 be doing.

01:54:06.860 And I'm here, I'm giving you homework here, but, um, personally, I just want to say thank

01:54:11.020 you for coming back.

01:54:11.640 I want to, I would have you every day.

01:54:13.160 If you, if you lived here, I would quite literally be like, we're doing a podcast together and

01:54:16.700 you don't get, you, you don't get any say in this.

01:54:18.860 On top of this, you're also a comedian that's on tour.

01:54:21.740 I'm actually gonna be able to watch you very shortly.

01:54:23.800 So please tell everyone where they can find you and where they can support you.

01:54:26.760 Because I know that this will motivate people to go watch and listen to everything that

01:54:30.160 you do.

01:54:30.640 Oh, well, thank you so much.

01:54:31.760 Uh, well, uh, comicdavesmith.com has all like my tour dates.

01:54:35.740 If you want to come see a show, I'm touring all over the place for the rest of the year.

01:54:39.880 And then my podcast is part of the problem and partoftheproblem.com is where you can go

01:54:44.280 to, to support that.

01:54:45.640 But, uh, thank you.

01:54:46.360 I'm excited for you to come out.

01:54:47.420 It's going to be a fun time.

01:54:48.620 Dave, once again, this will not be the last time we will have them back guys.

01:54:51.620 We'll see you next time.

Candace Owens - August 05, 2024

Candace Owens x Dave Smith ｜ Candace Ep 40

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