Candace Owens - Candace Owens x Norman Finkelstein

00:00:00.000 The Economist magazine, it describes Gaza as, quote, a human rubbish heap. 0.82

00:00:07.940 The leading UN official on Gaza describes it as, quote, a toxic dump. 0.99

00:00:16.140 For the people of Israel, Gazans are vermin. 1.00

00:00:20.580 They're garbage. 1.00

00:00:22.120 They're human refuse. 1.00

00:00:25.160 You guys were the ones that insisted,

00:00:27.580 insisted that we all have a perspective on October 7th.

00:00:32.880 Then when we looked and we pierced that veil, we went, oh, my goodness, how was I ever perished?

00:00:38.860 And now you want us to shut up. 0.91

00:00:40.860 There is a problem here. 0.95

00:00:43.500 A billionaire class of Jewish supremacists are now flagrantly using money as a blackmail weapon 0.76

00:00:54.720 to silence not just criticism of Jews,

00:01:00.020 but silence criticism of an ongoing genocide.

00:01:07.920 All right, you guys, I am super excited about this conversation.

00:01:12.600 Where do I begin?

00:01:13.200 I'll just begin with my personal experience.

00:01:16.080 October 7th took place, and I remember immediately after,

00:01:20.220 there was sort of this peer pressure campaign to get everybody to make a statement

00:01:25.940 about what had happened in Israel.

00:01:28.620 And frankly, I was happy to make a statement about how tragic those events were,

00:01:33.660 but I didn't, I couldn't actually make a statement regarding why these events took place.

00:01:39.760 I didn't know what had happened prior to that day.

00:01:42.620 I didn't know the history of the modern state of Israel.

00:01:46.040 And when I began a, what I would call an honest inquiry into the history of the modern state

00:01:52.960 of Israel, I felt that I was basically in a pressure cooker.

00:01:57.600 People that I thought were my friends were telling me not to pursue this route.

00:02:01.660 I didn't comprehend what they meant when they said not to pursue this route.

00:02:05.780 They were calling me names, saying that I was flirting with anti-Semitism

00:02:10.640 by wanting to read books and speak to people that were on the opposite side of that issue.

00:02:16.740 And I got into a lot of trouble, and I mean a lot of trouble,

00:02:20.780 from people that I thought were my friends,

00:02:22.580 when I hosted, the person who is now sitting across from me,

00:02:26.000 Norm Finkelstein on my previous show.

00:02:29.420 And the things that he told me about Gaza were shocking.

00:02:33.980 It was especially shocking because this wasn't from someone that they could easily

00:02:37.580 describe as anti-Semitic, giving us history, which he's going to tell you about today.

00:02:42.340 Very important discussion.

00:02:44.560 And he's also an individual that I thought, quite strangely,

00:02:47.960 none of the people who were peer pressuring me were willing to debate.

00:02:51.440 If Norm Finkelstein is wrong, and he could be,

00:02:55.800 why wouldn't the most prominent voices of the pro-Israel debate

00:02:59.820 be willing to sit down with him and have that discussion?

00:03:02.600 We're going to figure out why.

00:03:04.200 Norm Finkelstein, welcome to my show.

00:03:07.460 Actually, mine, totally owned by me.

00:03:09.340 I can host you here.

00:03:10.660 Oh, thank you so much for having me on the show.

00:03:13.500 So just in case my audience has not been introduced to you,

00:03:16.500 I would first just sort of like you to,

00:03:18.420 and we're going to get to your books, which are amazing,

00:03:21.280 to kind of tell them your backstory and your credentials

00:03:24.120 and what happened despite the fact that you were so credentialed.

00:03:29.920 The backstory is there's a personal element and there is a professional element.

00:03:35.060 The personal element is that I am the son of survivors of the Nazi Holocaust.

00:03:41.020 Both my parents were in what was called the Warsaw Ghetto.

00:03:44.560 The Warsaw Ghetto was repressed after an uprising in April 1943.

00:03:51.560 There were about 20,000 to 30,000 survivors of the Warsaw Ghetto uprising

00:03:56.860 and they were deported to Meideneck concentration camp.

00:04:02.080 And both my father and my mother were deported to Meideneck.

00:04:05.220 My mother ended up in two slave labor camps after Meideneck 1.00

00:04:11.280 and my father ended up in Auschwitz and he was in the Auschwitz death march.

00:04:16.760 Every member of my family, apart from my mother and father, on both sides,

00:04:22.260 everybody was exterminated.

00:04:24.400 There were no aunts, there were no uncles, there were no grandparents, there was nothing.

00:04:28.580 And my parents were, for reasons not worth going into now,

00:04:35.340 they were decidedly on the left, politically.

00:04:38.760 And it had a very deep impact on me growing up.

00:04:43.680 And in a way, even though I grew up in a lower middle class Jewish neighborhood,

00:04:47.420 I never quite fit in because of my family background

00:04:56.480 and a totally different mindset, I think.

00:04:59.600 Okay, partially different mindset than my peers because of my parents' experience.

00:05:06.200 In June 1982, we're fast forwarding.

00:05:10.600 June 1982, Israel invaded Lebanon

00:05:13.580 and I got involved in the Israel-Palestine conflict.

00:05:17.960 In my youth, it was mostly the war in Vietnam, the civil rights movement.

00:05:22.220 In 1982, it became Israel-Palestine.

00:05:26.080 I ended up writing my doctoral dissertation

00:05:28.760 at Princeton University on the theory of Zionism.

00:05:34.480 And then in 1984,

00:05:36.720 there was a kind of big national bestseller quote from time immemorial,

00:05:42.180 which claimed to reveal new aspects of the Israel-Palestine conflict

00:05:48.180 that proved Israel was in the right 0.99

00:05:49.940 and the Palestinians were in the wrong.

00:05:52.960 I was still a graduate student at the time.

00:05:56.060 And I proved, demonstrated,

00:05:59.640 that this book, which had the endorsement of the who's who

00:06:02.820 of the Jewish intellectual community back then,

00:06:06.120 people like Barbara Tuchman, who you wouldn't know,

00:06:09.120 Sol Bellow, the novelist,

00:06:10.940 they all endorsed the book.

00:06:13.360 And I am widely credited with the one exposing that it was a hoax.

00:06:19.100 And from there on in,

00:06:22.160 I would say,

00:06:24.140 after having demonstrated that,

00:06:26.440 this kind of humble graduate student

00:06:28.820 proving that all the luminaries

00:06:32.320 were either promoting a threadbare hoax,

00:06:39.080 from there on in,

00:06:40.740 I would say,

00:06:41.380 I encountered difficulties in my professional life.

00:06:44.540 Amazing.

00:06:46.080 So, despite,

00:06:47.940 and you did achieve your PhD.

00:06:49.940 Yes.

00:06:50.420 Despite this,

00:06:51.360 wasn't there sort of some fracas that happened

00:06:53.500 where they didn't allow you back,

00:06:55.700 or what happened at sort of the end of your career?

00:06:58.540 Well...

00:06:59.220 Academic career.

00:06:59.840 Right.

00:07:00.700 I would say,

00:07:01.700 speaking frankly,

00:07:02.840 and believe me,

00:07:03.660 at my age,

00:07:04.720 I have no interest whatsoever

00:07:06.360 in invoking pity.

00:07:07.880 It's water under the bridge.

00:07:09.840 I never had an academic career.

00:07:13.060 I was,

00:07:13.920 in academia,

00:07:14.800 it's called being an adjunct.

00:07:17.020 And an adjunct basically means

00:07:18.800 you're hired from semester to semester.

00:07:21.280 It's the equivalent of,

00:07:22.820 literally,

00:07:23.100 the equivalent of a substitute teacher

00:07:25.520 in a public school system,

00:07:28.620 except a substitute teacher

00:07:30.060 is paid significantly more

00:07:31.860 than an adjunct.

00:07:34.100 And I was never able

00:07:36.360 to get beyond

00:07:38.180 the adjunct status,

00:07:40.760 except one brief period

00:07:43.100 at DePaul University in Chicago,

00:07:45.700 where,

00:07:47.440 by a concatenation of events,

00:07:53.720 I managed to get on a tenure-track job,

00:07:56.040 tenure-track job.

00:07:58.220 But when the moment of truth came,

00:08:01.480 I was denied tenure.

00:08:03.720 And after that,

00:08:05.440 because it was a kind of national story

00:08:08.020 when I was denied tenure

00:08:10.340 because Professor Alan Dershowitz

00:08:13.320 of Harvard University Law School

00:08:16.420 made a determined public

00:08:19.060 attempt to stop me.

00:08:21.980 There was a big editorial

00:08:23.520 in the Wall Street Journal

00:08:24.740 by him.

00:08:26.340 He made a very public attempt

00:08:27.920 to stop me.

00:08:29.920 After that,

00:08:30.820 that was 2008,

00:08:34.340 2007.

00:08:35.700 After that,

00:08:36.440 I was completely unemployed.

00:08:38.900 Not even adjunct.

00:08:40.260 After that,

00:08:41.320 actually,

00:08:42.560 I know this will come as a,

00:08:44.120 it will seem kind of unbelievable.

00:08:46.720 I literally couldn't volunteer

00:08:48.840 to teach.

00:08:50.860 There were places where,

00:08:52.220 in high schools,

00:08:53.980 a chartered school,

00:08:55.440 for example,

00:08:56.060 in East Harlem,

00:08:56.920 where the father of the principal

00:08:58.860 was a friend of mine.

00:09:01.620 And his daughter,

00:09:04.360 the principal,

00:09:05.860 was really wonderful,

00:09:07.420 and she ran the tight ship. 0.97

00:09:09.220 That was a darn good school. 0.98

00:09:11.040 You could see just walking 0.99

00:09:12.100 through the hallways.

00:09:14.100 I said,

00:09:14.800 I'll volunteer.

00:09:16.020 No.

00:09:16.860 No.

00:09:17.140 So at that point,

00:09:18.160 after the DePaul incident,

00:09:21.080 I was completely blacklisted.

00:09:24.220 But I never got started.

00:09:25.760 I never got,

00:09:26.340 the plane never left,

00:09:28.100 the tarmac.

00:09:29.720 Well,

00:09:30.300 I do want to stress here,

00:09:32.400 as I have been stressing on my show,

00:09:34.340 that these schools are

00:09:36.340 Soviet indoctrination camps.

00:09:38.020 I implore people to read

00:09:39.100 Thomas Sowell's book

00:09:39.900 about inside the American education system.

00:09:42.280 And what he is saying,

00:09:43.600 it's perfectly into there.

00:09:44.800 The point is to indoctrinate your children.

00:09:46.760 And if you do not have a doctor,

00:09:49.700 so to speak,

00:09:50.340 that is willing to go into the classrooms

00:09:51.560 and do that indoctrination,

00:09:53.100 they won't let them in.

00:09:54.420 And this is absolutely proof of that.

00:09:58.440 Okay.

00:09:58.660 So I want to sort of

00:10:00.400 give the same background

00:10:01.820 because you were a major piece

00:10:04.220 of me waking up

00:10:04.960 and realizing that I knew

00:10:05.860 nothing about Gaza.

00:10:07.900 Could you just unpack for people

00:10:09.980 who are perhaps hearing this

00:10:11.160 for the first time?

00:10:11.780 I think a lot of people

00:10:12.660 we've seen Israel's support

00:10:14.440 has virtually collapsed,

00:10:15.560 and that's because of the behavior

00:10:17.900 that's going on with the censorship

00:10:19.480 has become so extreme in America.

00:10:21.600 But let's actually give these people

00:10:24.100 a background education

00:10:24.880 like you gave me

00:10:25.380 when you came on my show

00:10:26.100 of what actually Gaza is,

00:10:28.520 what is the history there,

00:10:29.880 what happened to these people

00:10:31.660 in 1948.

00:10:35.540 Obviously,

00:10:36.560 within the limits of an interview,

00:10:39.720 it's very hard to go through

00:10:41.120 that history

00:10:42.120 with any kind of...

00:10:44.880 Well, you have a book for it,

00:10:45.920 so I am going to be

00:10:47.120 a shameless promoter of this

00:10:48.820 because this will...

00:10:49.820 We're going to give you

00:10:50.200 the spark notes here,

00:10:51.000 but Gaza, an inquest

00:10:52.400 into its martyrdom

00:10:53.760 is the title of the book

00:10:55.080 that will be relevant for this.

00:10:56.620 But here,

00:10:57.220 we're going to give you

00:10:57.600 some spark notes.

00:11:00.500 Basically,

00:11:01.420 if I were to try

00:11:02.220 to summarize it

00:11:03.480 for the purposes

00:11:05.180 of this conversation,

00:11:07.180 I believe the place

00:11:08.380 to begin is 1948.

00:11:11.300 The state of Israel

00:11:12.380 is created.

00:11:14.000 In the course

00:11:14.640 of its creation,

00:11:16.420 about 90%

00:11:17.540 of the indigenous

00:11:19.060 Palestinian population

00:11:20.540 of Israel

00:11:21.180 was expelled.

00:11:23.020 About 750,000 people.

00:11:25.800 Of those 750,000,

00:11:27.800 about 300,000

00:11:29.260 were expelled

00:11:30.600 to Gaza.

00:11:32.040 And that's when Gaza 0.85

00:11:33.280 kind of became Gaza.

00:11:35.780 It was...

00:11:37.220 Right now,

00:11:38.700 of the population

00:11:39.700 of Gaza,

00:11:41.220 about 80%

00:11:42.340 are refugees

00:11:44.300 from the 1948 war

00:11:46.960 or descendants

00:11:48.440 of those refugees.

00:11:50.280 Under international law,

00:11:52.200 a descendant

00:11:53.000 of a refugee

00:11:53.680 is still

00:11:55.120 counted

00:11:56.380 as a refugee.

00:11:57.600 So it's

00:11:58.260 80%

00:11:59.340 a

00:12:00.440 refugee population.

00:12:03.120 And it's also

00:12:04.780 about 50%

00:12:06.760 a child population.

00:12:09.840 Now,

00:12:10.220 from the moment

00:12:13.620 Gaza came 0.93

00:12:14.540 under

00:12:15.040 Egyptian

00:12:17.240 administration,

00:12:18.300 after the 1948 war,

00:12:20.660 Gaza comes 0.95

00:12:21.260 under Egyptian

00:12:22.100 administration.

00:12:23.680 It's a very

00:12:24.500 interesting fact

00:12:25.560 when you start

00:12:26.120 going through

00:12:26.600 the history.

00:12:28.320 There are all

00:12:29.140 these outside

00:12:29.840 observers

00:12:30.340 who go into Gaza,

00:12:32.200 either to work there

00:12:33.200 like under the auspices

00:12:34.360 of the UN

00:12:35.180 or just to see

00:12:36.880 the situation.

00:12:38.700 And one of the things

00:12:39.480 that struck me

00:12:40.340 was each time

00:12:41.720 somebody goes

00:12:42.540 to Gaza,

00:12:44.080 they describe

00:12:45.600 Gaza as

00:12:46.580 a huge

00:12:47.260 concentration camp.

00:12:49.180 Now,

00:12:49.540 this is still

00:12:50.220 under Egyptian

00:12:51.380 rule.

00:12:53.320 So,

00:12:53.680 ELM Burns,

00:12:54.780 the main

00:12:55.220 UN official

00:12:55.980 in Gaza,

00:12:57.280 he writes a book

00:12:58.080 Between Arab 1.00

00:12:58.860 and Jew.

00:12:59.740 How does he

00:13:00.200 describe Gaza?

00:13:01.580 He describes it

00:13:02.300 as a huge

00:13:02.960 concentration camp.

00:13:05.180 In 1967,

00:13:06.780 during the

00:13:07.180 June 1967 war,

00:13:09.520 Gaza comes 0.95

00:13:10.180 under Israeli

00:13:11.180 control.

00:13:12.700 In July

00:13:13.720 1967,

00:13:15.980 the father

00:13:16.540 of Al Gore,

00:13:17.940 the presidential

00:13:18.660 candidate,

00:13:19.300 his father

00:13:19.800 was also

00:13:20.420 a senator.

00:13:22.100 So,

00:13:22.380 Al Gore,

00:13:23.100 or Senator

00:13:23.600 Gore,

00:13:24.140 meaning the

00:13:24.560 father,

00:13:25.420 he goes

00:13:25.880 to Gaza.

00:13:27.200 He comes

00:13:28.120 back and he

00:13:28.840 testifies before

00:13:29.860 the U.S.

00:13:30.500 Congress.

00:13:31.840 How does he

00:13:32.360 describe Gaza?

00:13:33.660 He says,

00:13:34.140 Gaza is,

00:13:34.960 quote,

00:13:35.020 a huge

00:13:35.520 concentration

00:13:36.160 camp on

00:13:37.380 the sand,

00:13:38.360 if you

00:13:38.760 will.

00:13:40.580 You now

00:13:40.920 fast forward

00:13:41.680 to 2002.

00:13:44.240 Now,

00:13:44.500 one of Israel's 0.94

00:13:45.320 leading sociologists,

00:13:46.840 his name was

00:13:47.440 Baruch Kimmerling,

00:13:49.080 he writes a little

00:13:49.860 book.

00:13:50.600 The little book

00:13:51.060 is called

00:13:51.460 Politicide.

00:13:53.200 How does he

00:13:53.720 describe Gaza?

00:13:55.380 He describes

00:13:56.040 Gaza as,

00:13:57.000 quote,

00:13:57.260 the biggest

00:13:57.720 concentration

00:13:58.240 camp ever.

00:13:59.040 2004,

00:14:03.020 the head

00:14:03.400 of Israel's

00:14:04.120 National Security

00:14:05.100 Council.

00:14:06.640 His name

00:14:07.260 is

00:14:07.660 Giora

00:14:08.280 Island.

00:14:09.040 He's still

00:14:09.440 around.

00:14:10.060 He's active

00:14:10.540 now,

00:14:11.740 behind the

00:14:12.340 scenes in

00:14:12.820 the Netanyahu 0.72

00:14:13.740 government.

00:14:15.220 How does he

00:14:15.680 describe Gaza?

00:14:17.760 He describes

00:14:18.480 Gaza as

00:14:19.380 a huge

00:14:20.140 concentration

00:14:20.860 camp.

00:14:22.340 Now,

00:14:22.580 bear in

00:14:22.940 mind,

00:14:24.140 bear in

00:14:24.580 mind,

00:14:25.420 this is

00:14:25.820 before Israel 0.75

00:14:26.660 imposed the

00:14:27.360 blockade of

00:14:28.020 Gaza.

00:14:28.320 It was

00:14:29.680 already a

00:14:30.420 horror show.

00:14:31.760 It's been a

00:14:32.620 horror show

00:14:33.180 since 1948.

00:14:35.680 In 2006,

00:14:37.340 Israel imposes 0.96

00:14:38.240 a blockade

00:14:39.000 on Gaza.

00:14:40.380 It decides

00:14:41.380 what goes

00:14:41.920 in,

00:14:42.740 it decides

00:14:43.360 what goes

00:14:43.820 out.

00:14:44.640 It decides

00:14:45.460 who goes

00:14:46.080 in,

00:14:47.020 it decides

00:14:47.620 who goes

00:14:49.420 out.

00:14:50.660 They put

00:14:51.140 Gaza on

00:14:52.020 what they

00:14:52.360 call a

00:14:54.700 humanitarian

00:14:55.280 minimum

00:14:56.480 diet.

00:14:57.700 You know

00:14:57.960 what that

00:14:58.280 meant?

00:14:59.320 It meant

00:15:00.260 they calculated

00:15:01.420 literally,

00:15:02.800 we're not

00:15:03.620 talking about

00:15:04.100 hyperbole now,

00:15:05.100 poetry.

00:15:06.220 They calculated

00:15:07.500 the caloric

00:15:08.740 diet of

00:15:10.840 everyone living

00:15:11.760 in Gaza,

00:15:12.380 and they

00:15:13.860 admitted just

00:15:14.880 enough food

00:15:16.120 to avoid

00:15:17.720 scenes of

00:15:18.860 starvation.

00:15:20.040 That was

00:15:21.020 2006.

00:15:21.880 we're not

00:15:22.780 talking about

00:15:23.500 after October

00:15:24.400 7.

00:15:25.920 They

00:15:26.760 prohibited

00:15:27.460 baby chicks

00:15:29.320 from going

00:15:29.840 into Gaza.

00:15:31.040 They

00:15:31.820 prohibited

00:15:32.500 chocolate

00:15:33.420 from going

00:15:34.600 into Gaza.

00:15:35.620 They

00:15:36.340 prohibited

00:15:36.940 potato chips

00:15:38.300 from going

00:15:39.260 into Gaza.

00:15:40.340 They

00:15:40.780 prohibited

00:15:41.420 condiments

00:15:42.600 from going

00:15:43.440 into Gaza.

00:15:44.160 No cinnamon

00:15:44.820 allowed in

00:15:45.940 Gaza.

00:15:47.120 Why?

00:15:47.600 They

00:15:48.480 wanted to

00:15:49.040 create

00:15:49.440 such

00:15:50.080 intolerable

00:15:51.980 conditions

00:15:52.600 that the

00:15:53.860 population of

00:15:54.760 Gaza would 0.97

00:15:55.360 overthrow the

00:15:56.360 government

00:15:56.780 that they

00:15:57.640 elected.

00:15:59.080 So,

00:16:00.280 that was

00:16:01.160 Gaza.

00:16:02.640 Now,

00:16:03.920 you come to

00:16:04.440 2006,

00:16:05.520 October 6,

00:16:07.220 okay?

00:16:08.540 You come to

00:16:09.380 2006.

00:16:11.240 The Economist

00:16:12.060 magazine,

00:16:12.660 which you

00:16:13.320 know is

00:16:13.640 not a

00:16:14.020 flaming

00:16:14.360 liberal

00:16:14.800 magazine,

00:16:16.200 it

00:16:17.640 describes

00:16:18.160 Gaza as

00:16:19.040 quote,

00:16:20.540 a human 1.00

00:16:21.100 rubbish 1.00

00:16:21.520 heap. 0.99

00:16:23.500 The

00:16:24.180 leading

00:16:24.660 UN

00:16:26.960 official

00:16:27.560 on

00:16:27.860 Gaza

00:16:28.160 describes

00:16:29.500 it as

00:16:30.000 quote,

00:16:31.240 a toxic

00:16:31.840 dump.

00:16:33.940 60%

00:16:34.760 of the

00:16:35.980 young

00:16:36.200 people

00:16:36.580 in

00:16:36.760 Gaza,

00:16:37.620 the

00:16:37.820 people

00:16:38.080 who

00:16:38.280 burst

00:16:38.540 the

00:16:38.740 gates

00:16:38.980 of

00:16:39.180 Gaza

00:16:39.440 on

00:16:39.620 October

00:16:40.220 7,

00:16:41.240 60%

00:16:42.240 of

00:16:42.540 them

00:16:42.680 are

00:16:42.840 unemployed.

00:16:45.280 All they

00:16:45.680 have to

00:16:46.280 look forward

00:16:48.300 to when

00:16:48.680 they get

00:16:49.000 up each

00:16:49.380 morning

00:16:49.760 is to

00:16:51.360 pace

00:16:51.820 the

00:16:52.300 perimeter

00:16:52.800 of this

00:16:54.120 tiny

00:16:54.480 parcel

00:16:54.980 of land,

00:16:56.720 26

00:16:57.240 miles

00:16:57.840 long,

00:16:59.500 the

00:16:59.640 length

00:16:59.860 of a

00:17:00.160 marathon,

00:17:01.540 5 miles

00:17:02.200 wide.

00:17:03.180 That was

00:17:03.580 Gaza.

00:17:05.100 It was

00:17:05.820 exactly

00:17:08.380 what the

00:17:08.900 UN

00:17:09.160 officials

00:17:09.620 said,

00:17:10.820 exactly

00:17:11.240 what Al

00:17:11.720 Gore's

00:17:12.080 father

00:17:12.380 said,

00:17:13.500 exactly

00:17:14.060 what

00:17:14.560 the

00:17:15.260 head

00:17:15.420 of

00:17:15.540 the

00:17:15.680 Israeli

00:17:16.460 National

00:17:16.920 Security

00:17:17.520 Council

00:17:18.000 said.

00:17:18.920 They

00:17:19.200 were

00:17:19.560 born

00:17:20.560 into,

00:17:22.040 they

00:17:22.460 were

00:17:22.600 born

00:17:22.980 into,

00:17:24.160 they

00:17:24.440 languished

00:17:25.280 in,

00:17:26.640 and they

00:17:27.000 were

00:17:27.180 destined

00:17:27.740 to die 0.81

00:17:28.840 in a 0.61

00:17:30.220 concentration

00:17:30.680 camp.

00:17:31.720 It was

00:17:31.960 like an

00:17:32.320 elephant

00:17:32.660 burial

00:17:33.320 ground,

00:17:34.280 really.

00:17:34.620 and

00:17:36.160 when I

00:17:38.200 struggled

00:17:40.320 after

00:17:41.060 October 7th,

00:17:42.280 I've

00:17:42.480 said this

00:17:42.920 many

00:17:43.240 times,

00:17:44.520 but

00:17:45.020 it's

00:17:46.000 a fact,

00:17:46.720 it's

00:17:46.920 not a

00:17:47.760 drama

00:17:48.160 point.

00:17:49.580 You know,

00:17:49.920 what happened

00:17:50.340 October 7th

00:17:51.280 was awful.

00:17:52.400 There's no doubt

00:17:53.060 in my mind

00:17:53.640 about that.

00:17:54.920 The magnitude

00:17:55.680 was significant,

00:17:57.020 1,200

00:17:57.380 people killed,

00:17:59.080 about

00:17:59.520 estimates,

00:18:00.600 it's not

00:18:01.660 an estimate,

00:18:02.580 close to

00:18:03.120 800 of

00:18:04.600 them

00:18:04.720 civilians,

00:18:05.460 400

00:18:05.860 combatants,

00:18:07.840 Israeli

00:18:08.220 IDF

00:18:08.840 members,

00:18:09.460 members of

00:18:10.060 the Israeli

00:18:10.440 Defense

00:18:10.840 Forces.

00:18:11.880 It's a

00:18:12.100 significant

00:18:12.780 number.

00:18:13.560 Can't get

00:18:14.060 around that.

00:18:15.020 I know

00:18:15.360 there are

00:18:15.540 all sorts

00:18:16.040 of stories

00:18:16.600 about Israel

00:18:17.240 having killed 0.89

00:18:17.860 a lot of

00:18:18.340 number.

00:18:19.080 I've

00:18:19.320 investigated

00:18:19.800 as best

00:18:20.360 I can.

00:18:22.580 And I'll

00:18:23.000 admit,

00:18:23.900 you know,

00:18:24.260 there's still

00:18:24.640 room on

00:18:26.580 the margins

00:18:27.080 for error,

00:18:28.100 but I

00:18:28.480 think it

00:18:28.760 was

00:18:28.840 overwhelmingly

00:18:29.440 committed

00:18:30.080 by

00:18:30.320 Hamas. 0.73

00:18:31.920 And so

00:18:32.480 how do

00:18:33.280 you reckon

00:18:35.380 something like

00:18:37.380 that?

00:18:38.360 But in

00:18:39.360 politics,

00:18:40.220 there are

00:18:40.740 many levels.

00:18:41.880 There's the

00:18:42.320 facts.

00:18:43.820 There's your

00:18:44.760 political

00:18:45.640 judgment.

00:18:46.880 There's your

00:18:47.380 legal judgment.

00:18:48.680 There's your

00:18:49.060 moral judgment.

00:18:50.660 And they

00:18:51.020 don't come

00:18:51.440 directly from

00:18:52.140 the facts.

00:18:52.860 They do

00:18:53.140 not.

00:18:54.560 They go

00:18:55.140 through many

00:18:55.820 filters or

00:18:57.500 sieves before

00:18:59.100 you get a

00:19:00.040 moral judgment.

00:19:02.220 And when I

00:19:02.940 started to

00:19:03.760 try to

00:19:04.620 think it

00:19:05.140 through,

00:19:07.480 I came

00:19:09.900 upon in

00:19:10.500 my mind

00:19:11.100 the Nat

00:19:12.100 Turner

00:19:12.400 Rebellion.

00:19:14.000 So for

00:19:15.000 those of

00:19:15.960 your listeners

00:19:16.460 who are

00:19:16.860 unaware,

00:19:17.400 it was the

00:19:17.760 largest slave

00:19:18.460 revolt in

00:19:19.140 American

00:19:19.520 history.

00:19:21.720 And

00:19:22.020 Nat

00:19:24.440 Turner,

00:19:25.280 he gave

00:19:25.840 the order.

00:19:26.640 All the

00:19:27.220 historians agree

00:19:28.040 on this.

00:19:28.440 There isn't

00:19:28.740 a huge

00:19:29.160 literature in

00:19:29.820 that,

00:19:30.140 Turner,

00:19:30.420 but there

00:19:30.880 is a

00:19:31.200 literature.

00:19:32.220 They all

00:19:32.660 agree on

00:19:33.040 one point.

00:19:33.740 He gave

00:19:34.120 the order,

00:19:34.640 which he

00:19:34.880 never denied.

00:19:36.500 He did a

00:19:37.240 famous confession.

00:19:38.240 We don't

00:19:38.460 know how much

00:19:38.900 of the

00:19:39.140 confession is

00:19:39.760 actually him

00:19:40.420 and how much

00:19:40.820 is the

00:19:41.080 person who's

00:19:41.800 writing it.

00:19:42.380 But this

00:19:43.840 part seemed

00:19:44.440 real.

00:19:44.860 The order 0.99

00:19:45.240 was kill 1.00

00:19:46.400 all white 1.00

00:19:47.000 people. 1.00

00:19:48.660 Kill all 1.00

00:19:49.420 white people. 1.00

00:19:50.660 And that's 0.96

00:19:51.420 what they

00:19:51.660 proceeded to

00:19:52.360 do.

00:19:53.040 They went

00:19:53.800 on what

00:19:54.100 you might

00:19:54.480 call a

00:19:55.680 48-hour

00:19:58.620 rampage,

00:19:59.780 less than

00:20:00.120 48 hours

00:20:00.740 actually,

00:20:02.080 and

00:20:02.480 hacked

00:20:05.580 men,

00:20:07.780 women, 1.00

00:20:09.580 babies.

00:20:12.520 It was

00:20:13.360 brutal.

00:20:14.320 It was

00:20:14.680 brutal.

00:20:16.740 But then

00:20:17.580 something

00:20:17.980 struck me.

00:20:18.920 One historian,

00:20:19.920 his name

00:20:20.240 is Stephen

00:20:20.740 Oaks,

00:20:21.760 and he's

00:20:22.780 trying to

00:20:23.220 understand

00:20:23.820 Nat

00:20:24.260 Turner's

00:20:24.740 motivation.

00:20:26.080 Why did

00:20:26.500 he do

00:20:26.800 it?

00:20:28.160 And he

00:20:28.540 said,

00:20:29.620 Nat

00:20:30.380 Turner

00:20:30.760 was a

00:20:32.380 very smart

00:20:32.940 guy.

00:20:34.200 There was

00:20:34.740 no question

00:20:35.240 about that.

00:20:36.360 The person

00:20:36.940 who took

00:20:37.680 down his

00:20:38.160 confession

00:20:38.700 name,

00:20:40.100 he said

00:20:40.660 he was

00:20:41.020 white.

00:20:42.060 He said,

00:20:43.300 white or

00:20:45.000 black,

00:20:46.440 everybody

00:20:46.900 agreed.

00:20:48.080 Nat

00:20:48.320 Turner

00:20:48.660 was a

00:20:49.520 very smart

00:20:50.120 guy.

00:20:51.440 And then

00:20:52.320 he said,

00:20:53.500 the historian

00:20:54.160 now,

00:20:54.960 he said,

00:20:55.660 there was

00:20:56.780 this huge

00:20:57.600 gulf for

00:20:59.220 Nat

00:20:59.500 Turner,

00:21:00.340 very smart

00:21:01.560 guy,

00:21:02.480 between what

00:21:03.720 he aspired

00:21:04.720 to be in

00:21:05.720 life and

00:21:07.940 what he

00:21:08.260 was destined

00:21:09.500 to be

00:21:10.520 because he

00:21:12.280 was a

00:21:12.620 slave.

00:21:13.620 That huge

00:21:14.740 gulf.

00:21:15.900 He knew

00:21:16.480 he was

00:21:16.880 smart.

00:21:18.540 And yet

00:21:19.260 he also

00:21:19.800 knew,

00:21:20.840 as the

00:21:21.260 historian

00:21:21.820 Stephen

00:21:22.320 Oaks

00:21:22.660 put it,

00:21:23.980 that this

00:21:25.040 is only

00:21:27.240 earthly

00:21:28.040 existence.

00:21:29.900 He was

00:21:30.600 born into,

00:21:32.620 languish in,

00:21:34.140 and would

00:21:34.580 die a 0.99

00:21:35.160 slave. 1.00

00:21:35.560 And that

00:21:37.180 was the

00:21:37.540 people,

00:21:38.040 the young

00:21:38.360 people in

00:21:39.100 Gaza.

00:21:40.420 They knew.

00:21:41.720 You see,

00:21:42.080 now Gaza's 0.96

00:21:42.920 in the

00:21:43.220 news.

00:21:44.660 But by

00:21:45.460 October 6,

00:21:47.420 2023,

00:21:49.940 Gaza had 0.68

00:21:50.520 vanished from

00:21:51.320 the news.

00:21:52.860 I have made

00:21:54.000 the point,

00:21:55.380 because I do

00:21:55.980 believe it's

00:21:56.680 relevant.

00:21:57.080 I had spent

00:21:58.700 about 15

00:21:59.700 years just

00:22:01.400 chronicling the

00:22:03.320 details of

00:22:04.580 what's happening

00:22:05.280 in Gaza.

00:22:06.520 I began

00:22:07.620 roughly in

00:22:08.900 the early

00:22:09.280 2000s.

00:22:12.040 And by

00:22:13.900 2020,

00:22:15.420 I gave up.

00:22:18.880 That's a fact.

00:22:19.960 And it was

00:22:20.760 not a fact I

00:22:21.580 was proud

00:22:22.080 of.

00:22:22.880 Because I

00:22:23.520 was writing

00:22:23.980 books,

00:22:25.120 they were

00:22:25.420 getting more

00:22:26.240 and more

00:22:26.740 detailed.

00:22:28.400 I mean,

00:22:28.740 so micro

00:22:30.040 detail.

00:22:32.100 And nobody

00:22:33.180 was reading

00:22:33.800 them.

00:22:34.940 The last

00:22:35.760 book I

00:22:36.280 wrote was

00:22:36.820 called

00:22:37.140 I Accuse.

00:22:38.780 My publisher,

00:22:40.260 not happily,

00:22:41.820 informed me

00:22:42.600 it sold

00:22:43.720 370 copies.

00:22:46.160 Of those

00:22:47.060 370,

00:22:48.940 I purchased

00:22:50.400 half of

00:22:50.960 them.

00:22:51.960 No,

00:22:52.240 it's a

00:22:52.500 fact.

00:22:53.080 Because it

00:22:53.500 was about

00:22:53.900 a case

00:22:54.700 related to

00:22:55.800 Gaza in

00:22:56.420 the International

00:22:57.060 Criminal Court.

00:22:58.420 And I was

00:22:58.880 hoping to

00:22:59.400 influence the

00:23:00.160 court through

00:23:01.240 my research.

00:23:02.080 So I was

00:23:02.500 going to

00:23:02.900 present it

00:23:03.640 to the

00:23:04.760 ICC.

00:23:07.000 But by

00:23:07.760 2020,

00:23:09.860 I said,

00:23:10.280 Norm,

00:23:11.020 you know,

00:23:12.500 you have

00:23:13.580 only one

00:23:14.080 life to

00:23:14.560 live.

00:23:16.240 And

00:23:16.760 am I

00:23:17.880 just going

00:23:18.400 to

00:23:18.680 stubbornly

00:23:19.520 persist

00:23:20.160 in the

00:23:21.480 face of

00:23:21.940 the fact

00:23:22.520 that

00:23:23.620 nobody

00:23:24.340 cares?

00:23:25.960 And that

00:23:26.820 was the

00:23:27.220 situation

00:23:27.800 in Gaza.

00:23:30.380 Gaza

00:23:31.060 had vanished

00:23:32.000 from the

00:23:33.500 political

00:23:33.840 scene.

00:23:34.920 By

00:23:35.360 October

00:23:35.840 6,

00:23:37.000 2023,

00:23:38.740 all the

00:23:39.460 talk was

00:23:39.940 about whether

00:23:40.600 the Saudi,

00:23:41.580 Saudi Arabia,

00:23:42.880 would join

00:23:43.400 the Abraham

00:23:43.940 Accords.

00:23:45.840 Nobody was

00:23:46.360 talking about

00:23:46.880 Gaza

00:23:47.180 anymore.

00:23:48.740 And so

00:23:49.160 the people

00:23:50.220 of Gaza

00:23:50.860 basically

00:23:52.400 did what

00:23:53.940 Nat

00:23:54.220 Turner did.

00:23:56.420 Now,

00:23:57.100 here's the

00:23:57.560 thing.

00:23:59.920 Imagine

00:24:00.520 an account

00:24:03.100 of Nat

00:24:03.620 Turner

00:24:03.980 that

00:24:06.000 doesn't

00:24:06.760 mention he

00:24:07.260 was a

00:24:07.640 slave.

00:24:09.000 Just this 0.99

00:24:09.560 crazy 0.99

00:24:10.880 religious 1.00

00:24:11.440 fanatic. 0.54

00:24:11.980 He was a

00:24:12.440 religious

00:24:12.720 fanatic.

00:24:13.740 No question

00:24:14.320 about that.

00:24:15.360 Nat

00:24:15.720 Turner

00:24:16.060 was a

00:24:16.500 religious

00:24:16.840 fanatic.

00:24:18.500 He used

00:24:19.300 the language

00:24:19.760 of the

00:24:20.220 Bible to

00:24:21.840 try to

00:24:22.240 make sense

00:24:22.840 of his

00:24:23.220 condition.

00:24:25.000 That's

00:24:25.560 what a

00:24:25.840 religious

00:24:26.180 fanatic

00:24:26.740 meant.

00:24:27.220 You know,

00:24:27.460 John

00:24:27.720 Brown,

00:24:28.240 who led

00:24:28.520 the

00:24:28.680 insurrection

00:24:29.200 before the

00:24:30.380 Civil War,

00:24:31.580 he also

00:24:32.360 was a

00:24:32.780 religious

00:24:33.080 fanatic.

00:24:34.460 He

00:24:34.940 deeply

00:24:36.180 fanatically

00:24:37.380 believed

00:24:38.380 slavery

00:24:39.620 was an

00:24:40.380 abomination.

00:24:41.200 to the

00:24:44.200 point

00:24:44.580 that,

00:24:45.660 you know,

00:24:46.260 I don't

00:24:46.800 want to

00:24:47.020 get off

00:24:47.520 on a

00:24:47.740 digression,

00:24:48.740 but when

00:24:49.120 Frederick

00:24:49.520 Douglass,

00:24:50.140 the great

00:24:50.520 abolitionist,

00:24:51.340 when he

00:24:51.640 went to

00:24:52.700 meet

00:24:53.200 John

00:24:53.820 Brown,

00:24:55.960 Douglass

00:24:59.620 comments in

00:25:00.280 one of

00:25:00.640 his,

00:25:01.400 he had

00:25:01.720 three

00:25:01.940 autobiographies,

00:25:03.020 when one

00:25:03.360 of them

00:25:03.640 he comments,

00:25:04.600 he just

00:25:05.260 wouldn't

00:25:05.620 stop

00:25:05.920 talking

00:25:06.300 about

00:25:06.760 slavery.

00:25:07.760 He said

00:25:08.080 he was

00:25:08.380 boring.

00:25:10.120 He was a

00:25:10.680 fanatic.

00:25:11.080 he was

00:25:11.480 Johnny

00:25:12.300 One

00:25:12.600 Note,

00:25:13.820 John

00:25:14.060 Brown,

00:25:14.880 only about

00:25:15.520 slavery.

00:25:16.820 And

00:25:16.940 Nat

00:25:19.440 Turner,

00:25:19.940 too,

00:25:20.660 he was

00:25:21.120 a religious

00:25:21.580 fanatic.

00:25:23.160 But

00:25:23.840 imagine if

00:25:25.340 you tried

00:25:26.560 to make

00:25:26.960 sense

00:25:27.600 of the

00:25:29.140 Nat

00:25:31.060 Turner

00:25:31.380 rebellion

00:25:31.980 by focusing

00:25:34.360 only on

00:25:35.820 his

00:25:36.300 religious

00:25:37.400 fanaticism,

00:25:38.640 like the

00:25:41.000 religiously

00:25:42.000 fanatical

00:25:42.600 Hamas,

00:25:43.820 only focus

00:25:46.160 on that

00:25:46.780 and not

00:25:48.120 mention

00:25:48.720 the guy

00:25:50.100 is a 1.00

00:25:50.440 slave.

00:25:50.900 Or

00:25:51.400 mention

00:25:51.820 if it

00:25:53.000 were the

00:25:53.280 circumstance

00:25:53.780 for Nat

00:25:54.160 Turner

00:25:54.380 and it

00:25:55.040 isn't,

00:25:55.940 or

00:25:56.040 mentioned

00:25:56.360 the fact

00:25:56.940 that Nat

00:25:57.720 Turner

00:25:58.000 actually

00:25:58.760 the rebellion

00:26:00.120 was funded

00:26:00.660 by money

00:26:01.220 that one

00:26:02.020 of the

00:26:02.260 slave owners

00:26:02.800 gave him.

00:26:03.460 That would

00:26:03.940 be something

00:26:04.360 that would

00:26:04.720 be important

00:26:05.220 if there

00:26:05.800 was a

00:26:06.120 Bibi Netanyahu

00:26:06.800 circumstance

00:26:07.500 there or

00:26:08.140 that the

00:26:09.160 slave owners

00:26:09.720 received

00:26:10.080 multiple

00:26:10.440 warnings and

00:26:11.220 for some

00:26:11.640 reason just

00:26:12.200 decided to

00:26:12.880 ignore the

00:26:13.500 fact that

00:26:13.840 this

00:26:14.020 rebellion

00:26:14.360 was brewing.

00:26:14.840 I mean

00:26:15.460 there's a

00:26:15.720 lot of

00:26:15.980 things.

00:26:16.280 I've been

00:26:16.500 to Israel

00:26:17.280 and it

00:26:18.620 is,

00:26:19.760 Charlie Kirk

00:26:20.300 said it best

00:26:20.920 immediately after

00:26:21.700 because he had

00:26:22.480 been many,

00:26:22.980 many times.

00:26:24.400 Truly

00:26:24.900 unbelievable.

00:26:25.680 It's actually

00:26:26.140 quite scary

00:26:26.820 because every

00:26:27.180 15 feet

00:26:27.920 there's an

00:26:28.260 armed person.

00:26:29.160 They take

00:26:29.740 their security

00:26:30.260 very seriously.

00:26:31.440 They were,

00:26:31.820 I mean,

00:26:32.160 now people

00:26:32.560 are speaking

00:26:32.960 out and I

00:26:33.400 think a lot

00:26:33.820 more is

00:26:34.140 going to

00:26:34.300 come out

00:26:34.740 because they

00:26:36.320 have been

00:26:37.120 censoring.

00:26:38.540 Bibi has 0.97

00:26:38.920 been lying,

00:26:39.660 censoring,

00:26:40.120 editing

00:26:40.380 transcripts.

00:26:41.400 I've been

00:26:41.640 following the

00:26:42.240 case against

00:26:42.760 him pretty

00:26:43.700 closely because

00:26:44.480 there are

00:26:45.060 Israeli

00:26:45.520 publications

00:26:46.020 that have

00:26:46.380 been

00:26:46.500 documenting

00:26:46.920 everything.

00:26:47.660 Obviously

00:26:47.980 he's not

00:26:48.520 well liked

00:26:49.100 by the

00:26:51.500 people in

00:26:52.020 Israel.

00:26:52.560 They were

00:26:53.700 taken to

00:26:54.060 the streets

00:26:54.340 to protest

00:26:54.740 him.

00:26:55.620 But it

00:26:56.320 is almost

00:26:57.320 unbelievable

00:26:58.180 that that

00:26:59.860 circumstance,

00:27:00.980 plus when you

00:27:01.360 add to the

00:27:01.620 fact they

00:27:02.220 intercepted a

00:27:03.400 document way

00:27:05.700 earlier that

00:27:06.520 said 200

00:27:07.300 hostages were

00:27:08.200 going to be

00:27:08.840 taken by

00:27:09.460 Hamas,

00:27:10.440 it's almost

00:27:10.900 unbelievable

00:27:11.280 that they

00:27:11.540 ignored

00:27:11.820 everything plus

00:27:12.640 Egypt warning

00:27:13.240 them that

00:27:13.440 something was

00:27:13.780 happening on

00:27:14.200 the border.

00:27:15.960 I have

00:27:16.840 never bought

00:27:17.440 that there

00:27:17.760 was not,

00:27:19.000 not that it

00:27:19.660 took place,

00:27:20.040 of course it

00:27:20.340 took place and

00:27:20.780 it was terrible,

00:27:21.640 but that it

00:27:22.300 wasn't intentionally

00:27:23.300 allowed.

00:27:25.160 And I truly

00:27:26.240 believe that in

00:27:26.920 my soul after I

00:27:27.980 saw the footage

00:27:28.740 prior to October

00:27:29.980 7th of Bibi 0.89

00:27:31.280 Netanyahu,

00:27:31.800 I'm not sure if

00:27:32.200 you've seen

00:27:32.500 this, but he

00:27:33.720 thinks he's

00:27:35.060 off record.

00:27:35.720 He says,

00:27:36.060 you know,

00:27:36.220 put the cameras

00:27:36.720 down, like off

00:27:37.300 record, and he

00:27:38.340 starts detailing a

00:27:39.120 plan where he's

00:27:39.840 like we've got to 0.85

00:27:40.200 hit Gaza so hard 1.00

00:27:41.040 that they can't

00:27:41.500 go back.

00:27:42.020 And so they

00:27:43.880 sort of needed

00:27:44.700 a pretext of

00:27:45.940 sorts.

00:27:46.820 And do I

00:27:48.020 think Bibi

00:27:48.400 Netanyahu is 0.96

00:27:49.240 evil enough to 1.00

00:27:49.820 sacrifice his own

00:27:50.500 people?

00:27:50.900 Yes, a million

00:27:51.640 times over.

00:27:52.580 What's been

00:27:53.000 happening in

00:27:53.560 Gaza is a 1.00

00:27:54.600 tremendous evil.

00:27:55.940 And I don't

00:27:56.840 think we will

00:27:57.860 truly know the

00:27:59.220 full picture of

00:27:59.860 how evil it was

00:28:00.520 until Bibi 0.92

00:28:01.020 Netanyahu is

00:28:01.660 removed from

00:28:02.120 power and

00:28:02.620 we're able to

00:28:03.140 see the

00:28:03.940 transcripts that

00:28:04.540 he's blocking

00:28:04.980 of the

00:28:05.940 conversations he

00:28:06.580 had that day

00:28:06.980 with his

00:28:07.260 cabinet.

00:28:07.560 Look, there

00:28:09.380 are, obviously

00:28:12.220 there are areas

00:28:13.380 of interpretation

00:28:14.140 here, and I

00:28:15.860 don't want to

00:28:16.560 pretend as if I

00:28:17.740 have a monopoly

00:28:18.560 in the truth.

00:28:20.300 If you look

00:28:21.160 back at 9-11,

00:28:23.360 okay, our own

00:28:24.340 September 11th,

00:28:25.520 if you look

00:28:26.060 back, and there

00:28:28.140 were many people

00:28:28.820 who wrote at

00:28:29.580 the time, there

00:28:31.660 were a lot of

00:28:32.240 people in the

00:28:33.000 national security

00:28:34.980 establishment, who

00:28:37.160 had reports

00:28:38.840 that there

00:28:41.460 was going to

00:28:42.100 be an attack.

00:28:43.360 They came in, 0.96

00:28:44.160 the reports

00:28:44.680 came in, no

00:28:45.300 question about

00:28:45.980 that.

00:28:47.000 You have to

00:28:47.560 remember, when

00:28:48.580 you are a

00:28:49.200 state the size

00:28:50.720 of the United

00:28:51.280 States and the

00:28:52.900 power of the

00:28:53.540 United States,

00:28:54.920 you're going to

00:28:55.800 be getting each

00:28:56.640 day 10,000

00:28:58.900 intelligence reports

00:29:00.400 about possible

00:29:03.360 terrorist attack

00:29:04.180 here, possible

00:29:04.960 terrorist attack

00:29:05.780 there, the

00:29:06.180 United States

00:29:06.700 has a huge

00:29:07.860 number of

00:29:08.280 bases around

00:29:08.980 the world.

00:29:10.240 So you're

00:29:10.760 always getting

00:29:11.460 reports.

00:29:13.220 But an

00:29:14.420 intelligence

00:29:15.260 establishment

00:29:16.180 has to rank

00:29:18.040 threats.

00:29:20.100 And they

00:29:21.200 ranked the

00:29:22.700 Osama bin

00:29:23.520 Laden threat

00:29:24.340 low or

00:29:26.240 lower than

00:29:28.160 it should have

00:29:28.760 been ranked.

00:29:29.860 In the case

00:29:30.940 of Israel,

00:29:31.760 here we're

00:29:32.200 free to

00:29:32.700 disagree.

00:29:33.160 Israel is

00:29:35.500 a Jewish 0.69

00:29:37.200 supremacist

00:29:37.960 state.

00:29:38.980 That's not

00:29:39.900 my opinion.

00:29:42.280 Okay?

00:29:43.540 So the

00:29:44.820 head of

00:29:47.120 Israel's 0.75

00:29:48.160 main human

00:29:49.400 rights organization,

00:29:50.900 it's called

00:29:52.060 Betselem,

00:29:53.000 B-T-S-E-L-E-M. 1.00

00:29:55.200 And the

00:29:55.600 head of Israel's 0.84

00:29:56.580 human rights,

00:29:57.680 Betselem,

00:29:58.340 this is a

00:29:59.020 few years

00:29:59.400 ago.

00:30:00.340 It's a

00:30:00.520 guy named

00:30:00.880 Hagai El-Ad.

00:30:02.800 Very decent

00:30:03.680 guy.

00:30:04.360 I've never

00:30:04.920 met him.

00:30:06.340 I'm not

00:30:06.720 sure if he

00:30:07.160 ever wanted

00:30:07.920 to meet

00:30:08.720 me.

00:30:11.020 But decent

00:30:12.280 guy.

00:30:12.680 He was a

00:30:13.120 Harvard-trained

00:30:13.720 PhD in

00:30:14.500 physics.

00:30:15.400 Serious

00:30:15.900 fellow.

00:30:16.940 Okay?

00:30:18.080 And he put

00:30:18.940 out a little

00:30:19.460 report, or he

00:30:20.200 was the

00:30:20.520 executive

00:30:20.900 director when

00:30:21.720 Betselem put

00:30:22.580 out a report.

00:30:23.220 It was

00:30:24.980 probably 10,

00:30:25.820 15 years

00:30:26.440 ago now.

00:30:27.180 10.

00:30:27.780 My memory

00:30:28.520 is bad for

00:30:29.060 time now.

00:30:30.920 And he

00:30:31.280 said, here

00:30:32.440 are the

00:30:32.700 basic facts.

00:30:34.200 There's

00:30:34.520 one state

00:30:35.240 from the

00:30:36.180 Mediterranean

00:30:36.560 to the

00:30:37.160 Jordan.

00:30:37.920 There's no

00:30:38.520 Israel in 0.84

00:30:39.320 occupied

00:30:39.740 territories.

00:30:40.460 There's just

00:30:40.840 one state.

00:30:42.240 And he

00:30:42.780 said, that

00:30:43.680 state, its

00:30:45.180 foundation is

00:30:46.620 Jewish

00:30:47.020 supremacy.

00:30:48.220 There are

00:30:48.780 different levels

00:30:49.620 of Jewish

00:30:50.180 supremacy.

00:30:51.100 It's different

00:30:52.020 for the

00:30:52.640 situation

00:30:53.140 of Arabs,

00:30:54.920 Palestinians

00:30:55.500 living in

00:30:56.160 Israel,

00:30:57.680 Palestinians

00:30:58.120 living in

00:30:58.640 the West

00:30:58.960 Bank,

00:30:59.820 Palestinians

00:31:00.180 living in

00:31:00.800 Gaza,

00:31:01.300 and Palestinian

00:31:02.380 refugees.

00:31:03.100 It's

00:31:03.240 different

00:31:03.580 levels.

00:31:05.020 But the

00:31:05.980 foundation is

00:31:07.080 it's a

00:31:07.740 Jewish 0.50

00:31:08.000 supremacist

00:31:08.680 state.

00:31:10.240 Now, why

00:31:11.320 do I mention

00:31:11.940 it?

00:31:13.080 Because for

00:31:14.260 the people

00:31:14.720 of Israel,

00:31:18.220 Gazans 1.00

00:31:18.740 are vermin. 1.00

00:31:20.760 They're 1.00

00:31:21.380 garbage. 1.00

00:31:21.840 they're 1.00

00:31:22.920 human 0.98

00:31:23.660 refuse.

00:31:26.580 And so,

00:31:27.380 when you're

00:31:28.440 getting

00:31:28.840 intelligence

00:31:29.800 reports

00:31:30.620 from

00:31:31.640 Gaza

00:31:32.260 that they're

00:31:34.340 going to

00:31:34.580 launch an

00:31:35.080 operation,

00:31:36.700 it's really

00:31:37.660 intelligence

00:31:38.280 establishment,

00:31:39.200 this thing,

00:31:39.580 what are you

00:31:39.860 talking about?

00:31:41.480 They're going

00:31:42.360 to outsmart

00:31:43.240 us.

00:31:45.320 They are

00:31:46.120 going to

00:31:46.600 trick us

00:31:47.620 with our

00:31:49.120 surveillance,

00:31:50.560 with our

00:31:51.680 technology,

00:31:53.300 with our

00:31:54.220 IDF.

00:31:55.840 This

00:31:56.220 vermin 0.84

00:31:56.980 is going

00:31:58.460 to be able

00:31:59.140 to pull

00:31:59.900 this off.

00:32:00.820 So, I

00:32:01.280 think they

00:32:01.660 did the

00:32:02.040 same thing

00:32:02.780 as our

00:32:04.360 Bush

00:32:04.640 administration

00:32:05.160 did with

00:32:06.180 Osama

00:32:06.680 bin Laden.

00:32:07.220 they put

00:32:10.500 it on

00:32:11.100 a low

00:32:11.740 priority.

00:32:13.480 They were

00:32:13.940 shocked

00:32:14.580 that Hamas 0.99

00:32:16.360 was able,

00:32:17.940 after

00:32:18.380 October 7th,

00:32:19.820 they were

00:32:20.280 shocked that

00:32:21.440 Hamas was 0.86

00:32:22.020 able to

00:32:22.620 pull it

00:32:23.040 off.

00:32:23.440 Dave

00:32:23.700 Smith,

00:32:24.820 who's a

00:32:25.380 good friend

00:32:25.740 of mine,

00:32:26.180 believes,

00:32:26.560 has your

00:32:27.400 perspective.

00:32:28.060 He does

00:32:28.300 have your

00:32:28.600 perspective.

00:32:28.900 One last

00:32:30.220 point on

00:32:31.260 this,

00:32:31.620 because,

00:32:32.460 and I

00:32:32.720 want to

00:32:32.920 hear you

00:32:33.200 out.

00:32:34.920 You said

00:32:35.800 the Israelis

00:32:36.940 hate

00:32:37.440 Netanyahu.

00:32:38.980 I don't

00:32:39.620 think that's

00:32:40.140 true at

00:32:40.580 all.

00:32:41.800 Netanyahu

00:32:42.400 is the

00:32:43.040 longest-sitting

00:32:43.820 prime minister

00:32:44.560 in Israeli

00:32:45.480 history.

00:32:46.860 If you

00:32:47.640 follow it,

00:32:48.740 as I do,

00:32:49.280 and you're

00:32:49.480 not obliged

00:32:50.060 to,

00:32:50.380 that's not

00:32:50.820 your

00:32:51.200 niche,

00:32:53.980 every few

00:32:55.280 years,

00:32:56.380 they report,

00:32:57.220 Netanyahu

00:32:57.700 is going.

00:32:58.120 Netanyahu

00:32:59.160 is going.

00:32:59.900 Netanyahu

00:33:00.360 is out.

00:33:01.280 Netanyahu

00:33:01.800 is finished.

00:33:02.920 No,

00:33:03.140 he's not.

00:33:04.400 And you

00:33:04.700 know why?

00:33:06.360 Because he's 0.99

00:33:07.560 an obnoxious, 1.00

00:33:10.340 narcissistic, 1.00

00:33:12.000 Jewish 1.00

00:33:12.320 supremacist. 0.97

00:33:13.840 And that's 0.92

00:33:14.840 Israeli

00:33:15.240 society. 0.95

00:33:17.080 Obnoxious, 0.99

00:33:18.400 narcissistic, 1.00

00:33:19.940 Jewish 1.00

00:33:20.240 supremacist.

00:33:21.400 When they

00:33:21.980 see him,

00:33:23.500 they see

00:33:24.760 themselves.

00:33:26.200 So there

00:33:26.700 may be

00:33:27.180 quarrels,

00:33:28.120 on this

00:33:29.140 policy issue

00:33:30.120 and that

00:33:30.800 policy issue,

00:33:31.780 but at the

00:33:32.800 end of the

00:33:33.440 day,

00:33:34.080 they keep

00:33:34.760 voting for

00:33:35.360 him.

00:33:35.900 And they

00:33:36.500 vote for

00:33:37.060 him because

00:33:38.360 Netanyahu

00:33:39.780 is not just

00:33:41.060 the face

00:33:41.980 of,

00:33:43.080 he's the

00:33:43.900 reality of

00:33:45.300 Israeli

00:33:46.400 society.

00:33:47.360 When they

00:33:48.240 try so

00:33:49.200 hard,

00:33:50.220 they try

00:33:50.760 so hard.

00:33:51.560 The people

00:33:52.020 who are

00:33:52.380 critical of

00:33:53.580 Israel,

00:33:54.840 people like

00:33:55.320 Bernie Sanders,

00:33:56.000 who's been

00:33:56.480 not bad

00:33:57.060 in recent

00:33:58.080 years.

00:33:58.500 He has his

00:33:59.560 limits,

00:34:00.080 but he's

00:34:00.600 been okay.

00:34:01.680 He always

00:34:02.640 tries to

00:34:03.580 laser beam

00:34:05.780 Netanyahu.

00:34:07.740 That's not

00:34:08.880 true.

00:34:10.400 The problem

00:34:11.280 is not

00:34:11.820 Netanyahu.

00:34:13.740 The problem

00:34:14.820 is the

00:34:16.040 whole of

00:34:16.680 Israeli

00:34:17.160 society.

00:34:17.980 if you

00:34:19.240 look at

00:34:19.620 the

00:34:19.820 polls,

00:34:21.560 half of

00:34:22.100 Israeli

00:34:22.560 Jews

00:34:23.040 believe

00:34:23.660 Israel

00:34:24.280 should

00:34:24.600 commit

00:34:24.920 a

00:34:25.120 genocide

00:34:25.500 in

00:34:25.880 Gaza.

00:34:26.720 That's

00:34:27.300 what the

00:34:27.520 polls

00:34:27.740 show.

00:34:28.940 About

00:34:29.580 70 to

00:34:30.640 75%

00:34:32.180 in

00:34:33.140 polls

00:34:33.500 say

00:34:33.940 there

00:34:34.900 are

00:34:35.080 no

00:34:35.660 innocents

00:34:36.640 in

00:34:36.880 Gaza.

00:34:37.680 No

00:34:38.380 innocents.

00:34:39.440 There's

00:34:39.780 nothing but

00:34:40.360 children.

00:34:41.460 No

00:34:41.740 innocents

00:34:42.420 in

00:34:42.600 Gaza,

00:34:43.040 half of

00:34:43.400 the population

00:34:44.000 being

00:34:44.440 Jewish.

00:34:44.900 the

00:34:46.640 former

00:34:47.260 Israeli

00:34:48.180 or the

00:34:49.140 current

00:34:49.460 Israeli

00:34:50.020 opposition

00:34:50.840 leader.

00:34:51.740 He said

00:34:52.980 that

00:34:53.620 the

00:34:55.060 IDF,

00:34:55.860 the Israeli

00:34:56.220 Defense

00:34:56.640 Forces, 0.99

00:34:57.420 they kill 1.00

00:34:58.060 children as 1.00

00:34:59.000 a hobby.

00:35:00.840 As a

00:35:01.240 hobby.

00:35:02.420 I've seen

00:35:03.220 some videos

00:35:03.860 of how

00:35:04.740 proud they

00:35:05.440 are when 0.95

00:35:05.740 they kill 0.95

00:35:06.040 a child.

00:35:06.720 It's

00:35:07.240 really

00:35:07.680 dark.

00:35:08.680 But also

00:35:09.060 I will

00:35:09.380 say you

00:35:10.420 can see

00:35:11.280 psychological

00:35:12.140 conditioning

00:35:12.720 as in

00:35:13.300 their

00:35:14.240 viewpoints

00:35:14.780 on the

00:35:15.020 Palestinians

00:35:15.460 you can

00:35:15.960 tell

00:35:16.320 is being

00:35:17.140 nurtured

00:35:17.460 from the

00:35:17.680 time

00:35:17.820 that

00:35:17.920 they're

00:35:18.020 a child.

00:35:18.580 And I

00:35:18.780 ran into

00:35:19.300 somebody

00:35:19.720 who left

00:35:20.380 Israel,

00:35:21.280 moved to

00:35:21.920 Tennessee

00:35:22.140 recently,

00:35:23.020 and I

00:35:23.200 ran into

00:35:23.520 him at

00:35:24.780 a farmer's

00:35:25.200 market and

00:35:25.640 he said

00:35:26.060 I absolutely

00:35:26.580 love you

00:35:26.960 and I

00:35:27.200 want you

00:35:27.440 to know

00:35:27.860 that we

00:35:29.020 learn this

00:35:29.620 stuff from

00:35:30.440 the time

00:35:30.780 we are

00:35:31.040 children.

00:35:31.340 I totally

00:35:31.640 agree with

00:35:32.060 that.

00:35:32.480 So he

00:35:32.900 left and

00:35:33.380 he said

00:35:33.680 from the

00:35:34.000 time we

00:35:34.340 are

00:35:34.460 children

00:35:34.780 we

00:35:34.980 learn.

00:35:36.000 So he

00:35:36.360 kind of

00:35:36.720 broke a

00:35:37.180 psychological

00:35:37.560 barrier to

00:35:38.180 get there

00:35:38.540 obviously as

00:35:39.140 an Israeli,

00:35:40.080 but you

00:35:40.360 are

00:35:40.500 correct.

00:35:41.020 I mean

00:35:41.180 and that's

00:35:41.960 why psychology

00:35:42.640 really is the

00:35:43.320 name of the

00:35:43.580 game.

00:35:43.840 You're

00:35:43.960 talking about

00:35:44.380 religious

00:35:44.660 fanaticism

00:35:45.280 or any

00:35:46.040 other

00:35:46.340 fanaticism

00:35:46.960 I want

00:35:47.200 to say

00:35:47.360 also.

00:35:48.160 There is

00:35:48.620 an element

00:35:49.100 of psychology

00:35:50.100 and that

00:35:51.380 is why

00:35:51.780 in my

00:35:53.260 capacity

00:35:53.740 now,

00:35:54.400 that's

00:35:54.920 actually

00:35:55.260 got a lot

00:35:56.040 of trouble

00:35:56.300 talking about

00:35:56.780 the history

00:35:57.080 of Sigmund

00:35:57.560 Freud,

00:35:58.100 but if you

00:35:58.840 want to

00:35:59.160 really speak

00:35:59.880 about what

00:36:00.540 is happening

00:36:01.120 with psychology,

00:36:02.940 propaganda,

00:36:03.620 PR,

00:36:03.940 he's the

00:36:04.180 father of

00:36:04.600 all of

00:36:04.880 that.

00:36:05.740 And going

00:36:06.300 back and

00:36:07.060 tracing those

00:36:08.000 roots,

00:36:08.720 it's very

00:36:09.200 scary.

00:36:09.500 I mean,

00:36:10.100 these were

00:36:10.380 really deeply

00:36:11.640 dark people

00:36:12.800 who were

00:36:13.820 trying to

00:36:14.420 cover up

00:36:14.840 their own

00:36:15.320 crimes and

00:36:15.860 that is the

00:36:16.220 reality without

00:36:17.500 going off on

00:36:18.620 a tangent

00:36:18.940 here,

00:36:19.640 but you

00:36:19.920 are correct

00:36:20.600 and I

00:36:20.940 think I

00:36:22.700 would like

00:36:22.940 to hear

00:36:23.120 your perspective

00:36:23.700 on how

00:36:24.500 the tentacles

00:36:25.420 of that

00:36:27.160 Jewish

00:36:27.640 supremacy

00:36:28.300 have manifested

00:36:30.040 and you

00:36:30.740 are actually,

00:36:31.680 I'm sure you

00:36:32.360 wouldn't refer

00:36:32.660 yourself as a

00:36:33.060 victim,

00:36:33.320 but I'm

00:36:33.500 saying what

00:36:34.500 happened to

00:36:34.960 you in

00:36:35.140 your life,

00:36:35.700 the circumstances

00:36:36.300 around what

00:36:36.720 happened in

00:36:37.140 your academic

00:36:37.580 career is

00:36:38.940 actually reflected

00:36:40.740 in the

00:36:41.220 Jewish

00:36:41.500 supremacist, 0.98

00:36:42.360 these are

00:36:42.620 the perspectives

00:36:43.220 that you

00:36:43.480 have to

00:36:43.800 have if

00:36:44.760 you're going

00:36:44.980 to be

00:36:45.160 welcome into

00:36:45.780 these spaces

00:36:46.700 that we

00:36:47.180 control.

00:36:47.820 How did

00:36:48.320 that happen?

00:36:48.840 Well, I

00:36:51.840 would want

00:36:52.260 to make

00:36:52.580 the following

00:36:53.180 points.

00:36:54.800 Number one,

00:36:57.120 the Jewish

00:36:58.800 showing since

00:37:01.300 October 7th,

00:37:04.180 it's actually,

00:37:05.160 I'm talking

00:37:05.700 about broadly

00:37:06.460 American Jewish

00:37:07.380 showing,

00:37:08.040 it's actually

00:37:08.620 not been bad.

00:37:09.880 I'm actually

00:37:10.560 very surprised.

00:37:12.540 So, for

00:37:13.380 example,

00:37:14.640 somebody sent

00:37:15.720 me this,

00:37:16.400 let's see,

00:37:17.860 the most

00:37:19.920 recent poll

00:37:20.860 from the

00:37:21.680 Washington

00:37:22.120 Post,

00:37:23.420 it found

00:37:23.980 that 61%

00:37:25.900 of American

00:37:26.760 Jews say

00:37:28.220 Israel has 1.00

00:37:29.000 committed war

00:37:29.760 crimes in

00:37:30.520 Gaza.

00:37:31.660 40% say

00:37:34.340 Israel has 1.00

00:37:35.100 committed

00:37:35.580 genocide

00:37:36.420 there.

00:37:38.600 And about

00:37:39.720 half,

00:37:41.120 about half

00:37:42.140 are opposing

00:37:44.360 what Israel

00:37:45.640 is doing

00:37:46.080 in Gaza.

00:37:46.620 it's about

00:37:48.320 10% less

00:37:49.480 than the

00:37:49.820 American

00:37:50.120 people in

00:37:50.700 general,

00:37:51.580 but it's

00:37:52.180 not a bad

00:37:52.660 showing.

00:37:53.600 And we

00:37:54.140 should recognize

00:37:54.780 that.

00:37:55.420 And I say

00:37:55.700 it on my

00:37:55.960 show all

00:37:56.280 the time.

00:37:56.700 I say

00:37:56.980 it's important

00:37:59.080 to recognize

00:37:59.700 that,

00:37:59.920 not only that,

00:38:00.400 because I

00:38:00.680 grew up in

00:38:01.520 Stanford,

00:38:02.020 Connecticut,

00:38:02.420 so I grew

00:38:02.680 up in a

00:38:02.880 very Jewish

00:38:03.200 area.

00:38:04.420 And I

00:38:05.580 always remark,

00:38:06.860 these are not

00:38:07.360 the Jewish

00:38:07.740 people that

00:38:07.940 you went to

00:38:08.180 school with.

00:38:08.780 We're talking

00:38:09.280 about these

00:38:09.760 hubs of

00:38:10.240 power,

00:38:11.020 D.C.,

00:38:11.480 Hollywood,

00:38:12.680 and so it

00:38:13.120 sounds like

00:38:13.840 when you're

00:38:14.100 reading the

00:38:14.460 news,

00:38:14.800 every Jewish

00:38:15.480 person must

00:38:16.040 hold this

00:38:16.400 perspective,

00:38:16.680 and that

00:38:17.240 is not

00:38:17.560 reality.

00:38:17.960 I want to

00:38:18.360 say,

00:38:18.660 Candice,

00:38:19.440 I'm grateful

00:38:20.780 that you

00:38:21.240 say that.

00:38:22.480 I believe

00:38:23.460 that's

00:38:23.900 factually

00:38:24.640 correct.

00:38:25.600 If you

00:38:26.460 remember the

00:38:27.160 first

00:38:27.660 demonstrations

00:38:29.940 against the

00:38:31.400 genocide in

00:38:33.100 Gaza,

00:38:34.300 the biggest

00:38:35.480 ones were 0.99

00:38:35.980 led by Jews 0.99

00:38:36.740 at Grand

00:38:37.260 Central Station

00:38:38.180 at the

00:38:39.580 Statue of

00:38:40.180 Liberty,

00:38:40.800 it was

00:38:41.100 deeply

00:38:41.520 moving.

00:38:42.900 And they

00:38:43.100 were very

00:38:43.560 active.

00:38:44.180 Jewish

00:38:44.500 students were

00:38:45.300 very active

00:38:46.040 in the

00:38:46.440 encampments

00:38:47.220 around the

00:38:48.580 country.

00:38:49.440 They were.

00:38:49.780 And they

00:38:50.400 didn't get

00:38:50.720 the same

00:38:51.100 showcasing

00:38:51.660 in the

00:38:51.900 media.

00:38:52.340 They tried

00:38:52.640 to pretty

00:38:53.020 much squash

00:38:53.520 it,

00:38:53.740 but it

00:38:53.980 was there

00:38:54.360 and that's

00:38:54.660 important

00:38:54.980 to state.

00:38:55.960 Within

00:38:56.360 that context,

00:38:59.040 where, as

00:38:59.720 I say,

00:39:00.980 the results

00:39:01.520 of the polls

00:39:02.000 aren't bad,

00:39:02.900 in my

00:39:03.200 opinion,

00:39:04.260 within that

00:39:04.820 context,

00:39:05.700 you use

00:39:06.280 the word

00:39:06.740 hubs,

00:39:07.440 it is

00:39:09.260 a fact

00:39:10.240 and one

00:39:11.260 has to,

00:39:12.040 in my

00:39:12.280 opinion,

00:39:14.000 face it

00:39:14.600 because it's

00:39:15.080 having real

00:39:15.660 consequences.

00:39:17.260 There's a

00:39:17.780 Jewish

00:39:18.100 supremacist 0.95

00:39:18.960 billionaire

00:39:19.480 class

00:39:20.220 which is

00:39:21.660 exerting

00:39:22.340 a huge

00:39:23.900 amount of

00:39:24.640 power

00:39:25.620 and

00:39:26.800 muscle

00:39:27.600 up front

00:39:31.120 and behind

00:39:32.560 the scenes.

00:39:34.260 So,

00:39:34.760 I would

00:39:36.000 just go

00:39:36.460 through

00:39:36.920 a few

00:39:38.720 examples.

00:39:41.280 Can I

00:39:41.500 throw one

00:39:41.740 at you?

00:39:42.380 Barry Weiss

00:39:42.900 becoming the

00:39:43.400 president

00:39:43.700 of CBS

00:39:44.580 News,

00:39:45.420 where I

00:39:45.620 am telling

00:39:45.920 you,

00:39:46.300 if she

00:39:47.260 actually

00:39:47.560 sat an

00:39:48.080 IQ test,

00:39:48.940 she would

00:39:49.840 be below

00:39:50.440 average

00:39:50.980 intelligence.

00:39:51.360 I would

00:39:51.740 call that,

00:39:52.520 and I'll

00:39:52.820 get to

00:39:53.160 that,

00:39:54.160 I would

00:39:54.520 call that

00:39:55.140 Jewish 0.99

00:39:55.660 supremacist

00:39:56.480 affirmative

00:39:56.900 action.

00:39:57.560 Correct.

00:39:58.280 Beyond

00:39:58.660 affirmative

00:39:59.040 action.

00:39:59.420 It's crazy.

00:40:00.360 She has no

00:40:00.720 confidence.

00:40:01.620 She can't

00:40:01.900 even hold a

00:40:02.260 conversation.

00:40:02.940 You don't

00:40:03.060 even want to

00:40:03.460 listen to

00:40:03.880 her.

00:40:04.100 She is

00:40:05.260 so lacking

00:40:06.760 in gray

00:40:08.200 matter that

00:40:09.860 she couldn't

00:40:10.540 pass the

00:40:11.400 test to

00:40:12.440 be on the

00:40:12.920 view.

00:40:14.160 How,

00:40:14.360 I mean,

00:40:14.820 how is she

00:40:15.420 not embarrassed

00:40:16.000 to show up

00:40:16.780 for work

00:40:17.200 every day

00:40:17.620 knowing that

00:40:18.760 probably the

00:40:19.320 majority,

00:40:19.800 everybody knows,

00:40:20.800 the majority

00:40:21.320 of people that

00:40:21.880 are,

00:40:22.300 probably everyone

00:40:23.160 is smarter

00:40:23.600 than her,

00:40:23.980 they've worked

00:40:24.380 harder than

00:40:24.780 her,

00:40:25.280 they would

00:40:25.540 be better

00:40:25.820 in that

00:40:26.040 position,

00:40:26.500 and everyone's

00:40:27.060 looking at

00:40:27.340 you going,

00:40:28.140 this is an

00:40:28.740 affirmative action

00:40:29.580 hire,

00:40:29.960 and I

00:40:31.080 call this

00:40:31.440 the children

00:40:31.880 of B'nai B'ereth

00:40:32.640 and people

00:40:33.080 that are

00:40:33.320 reading the

00:40:33.580 books that

00:40:33.860 I'm reading

00:40:34.280 will learn a

00:40:35.620 bit more

00:40:35.820 about that,

00:40:36.220 but she,

00:40:36.860 it's so

00:40:37.160 obvious,

00:40:38.240 did a year

00:40:39.240 at Tel Aviv

00:40:39.660 University,

00:40:40.340 she's in

00:40:41.020 the club,

00:40:42.000 so to speak.

00:40:42.380 She was in

00:40:43.260 the club

00:40:43.580 from a quite

00:40:44.120 young age.

00:40:44.620 She was born

00:40:45.060 into it.

00:40:45.480 She led

00:40:45.960 the campaign

00:40:47.340 at Columbia

00:40:48.640 University when

00:40:49.380 she was an 0.87

00:40:49.800 undergraduate to

00:40:51.420 try to rid

00:40:52.520 the faculty

00:40:53.180 of professors

00:40:55.140 critical of

00:40:56.400 the state

00:40:56.780 of Israel.

00:40:57.680 She lost

00:40:58.080 that battle,

00:40:58.780 but now she's 0.96

00:40:59.880 obviously.

00:41:00.440 I would die

00:41:01.040 of embarrassment

00:41:01.520 if I showed

00:41:01.940 up every day

00:41:02.460 and everyone

00:41:03.060 knew that I

00:41:03.820 did not belong

00:41:04.500 there,

00:41:04.960 but like daddy

00:41:06.060 made a phone

00:41:06.880 call,

00:41:07.180 sort of a

00:41:07.520 feeling.

00:41:09.100 I've been

00:41:09.640 speaking a lot

00:41:10.140 about Riverbend

00:41:10.740 Ranch because

00:41:11.160 I absolutely

00:41:11.500 love their

00:41:11.840 steaks.

00:41:12.160 I tell you

00:41:12.360 guys that

00:41:12.640 all the

00:41:12.880 time.

00:41:13.480 Black Angus

00:41:13.880 beef is

00:41:14.480 famous for

00:41:15.340 its great

00:41:15.640 flavor,

00:41:16.060 but Riverbend

00:41:16.440 Ranch has

00:41:16.940 taken that

00:41:17.460 to a whole

00:41:17.860 new level.

00:41:18.720 Because over

00:41:18.980 the last

00:41:19.300 35 years,

00:41:20.260 Riverbend

00:41:20.560 Ranch has

00:41:21.080 been creating

00:41:21.680 an elite

00:41:22.140 Angus herd

00:41:22.860 by using

00:41:23.300 ultrasound

00:41:23.700 technology to

00:41:25.280 select genetically

00:41:26.000 superior cattle

00:41:27.000 with a focus

00:41:27.580 on flavor

00:41:29.880 each year.

00:41:30.160 Riverbend Ranch

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00:41:31.520 850 elite

00:41:32.840 black Angus

00:41:33.400 bulls containing

00:41:34.100 these special

00:41:34.720 genetics to

00:41:35.240 over 260

00:41:36.340 western U.S.

00:41:37.520 ranches.

00:41:38.440 Those partnership

00:41:39.020 ranches receive a

00:41:39.740 substantial premium

00:41:40.540 from Riverbend

00:41:41.100 Ranch for raising

00:41:41.820 those calves

00:41:42.320 without the use

00:41:43.000 of growth hormones

00:41:43.780 and without

00:41:44.280 antibiotics.

00:41:45.400 And every fall,

00:41:46.100 the calves

00:41:46.420 containing these

00:41:47.080 elite genetics

00:41:47.620 return to Riverbend

00:41:48.600 Ranch to spend

00:41:49.380 the following

00:41:49.880 summer in lush

00:41:50.600 mountain pastures.

00:41:51.900 So when you

00:41:52.240 purchase from

00:41:52.760 Riverbend Ranch,

00:41:53.340 you are not only

00:41:53.860 supporting the

00:41:54.420 64 cowboys and

00:41:55.440 their families who

00:41:56.080 work on the ranch,

00:41:56.760 but you're also

00:41:57.180 supporting the

00:41:58.240 over 260 other

00:41:59.760 U.S.

00:42:00.120 ranches and the 0.64

00:42:00.760 hundreds of

00:42:01.360 American families

00:42:01.940 who work on

00:42:02.400 those ranches as

00:42:03.000 well.

00:42:03.740 It's born in the

00:42:04.220 USA, raised in the 0.58

00:42:05.060 USA, processed here 0.98

00:42:06.160 in the USA.

00:42:06.760 The meat is aged

00:42:07.460 to perfection for

00:42:08.360 21 days and it's

00:42:09.340 shipped directly

00:42:10.060 from their ranches

00:42:11.040 to your home.

00:42:12.240 So this is not

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00:42:13.540 black Angus beef.

00:42:14.960 This is more

00:42:15.340 flavorful, it's more

00:42:16.160 tender than even

00:42:17.080 the best Angus beef

00:42:17.920 that I've ever

00:42:18.280 tasted.

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00:42:32.320 Jumping in here to

00:42:33.140 tell you guys about

00:42:33.900 pre-borns, you know 0.75

00:42:34.560 I love them.

00:42:35.200 I've watched so many

00:42:36.040 people who I'm close

00:42:36.840 to be vilified for

00:42:37.820 standing up for the

00:42:38.680 truth.

00:42:39.400 I, of course, have

00:42:40.140 dealt with that

00:42:40.600 myself, but I have

00:42:41.520 also seen something

00:42:42.500 else, which is a lot

00:42:43.200 of courage right now

00:42:43.920 in this moment.

00:42:44.880 I don't play defense

00:42:45.720 anymore.

00:42:46.240 I don't water down

00:42:46.980 what I believe to be

00:42:47.760 palatable because

00:42:48.700 silence I have learned

00:42:49.720 is not kindness,

00:42:50.720 it's actually consent.

00:42:52.000 And right now, the

00:42:52.700 greatest silence is

00:42:53.920 surrounding the topic

00:42:55.080 of the lives that

00:42:55.960 are ended before they

00:42:56.660 even take their

00:42:57.340 first breath.

00:42:58.340 We're going to call 0.60

00:42:59.000 ourselves defenders of

00:42:59.620 life and we need to

00:43:00.200 act like it.

00:43:00.860 That's why I'm asking

00:43:01.660 you to join me to

00:43:02.260 fight back with action,

00:43:03.460 with truth, and with

00:43:04.380 love for just $28.

00:43:06.160 That is what it costs

00:43:07.040 to give a free

00:43:07.500 ultrasound to a woman 1.00

00:43:08.400 that's in crisis and

00:43:09.200 considering an abortion.

00:43:10.700 $28 will help her

00:43:11.780 see the life that's

00:43:12.600 growing inside of her.

00:43:13.480 It gives her the

00:43:14.140 truth that our

00:43:14.760 culture does not 0.99

00:43:15.260 provide.

00:43:16.060 So don't sit this

00:43:16.540 one out.

00:43:16.940 Don't wait for

00:43:17.320 permission.

00:43:17.880 Be bold.

00:43:18.280 Be clear.

00:43:19.000 We should be

00:43:19.380 unapologetically pro-life.

00:43:20.960 Head to preborn.org

00:43:22.220 slash Candice right now. 0.99

00:43:23.580 Give $28.

00:43:24.420 You can also give 10

00:43:25.040 times that amount if

00:43:25.680 you can.

00:43:26.420 This is the line that I

00:43:27.140 think that we must

00:43:27.920 stand on.

00:43:28.540 We have to stand for

00:43:29.140 truth and what's

00:43:29.760 right.

00:43:30.540 We need to save lives

00:43:31.340 from abortion and

00:43:32.020 stand firm in the

00:43:32.820 gospel.

00:43:33.660 Again, that is

00:43:34.060 preborn.org slash

00:43:35.640 Candice to provide an 0.83

00:43:36.600 ultrasound for just

00:43:37.240 $28.

00:43:38.540 So very shortly into

00:43:42.420 October 7th, I'm

00:43:45.320 asked to do a

00:43:46.560 debate.

00:43:47.980 And I said, fine, by

00:43:50.000 Lex Friedman.

00:43:51.300 He asks me to do a

00:43:52.960 debate.

00:43:53.900 And I said, who do

00:43:56.020 you want me to

00:43:56.580 debate?

00:43:57.400 He said, this thing

00:43:59.740 called destiny.

00:44:00.560 I didn't know what

00:44:01.080 that person was.

00:44:02.540 This thing called

00:44:03.060 destiny.

00:44:03.720 Got a date with

00:44:04.300 destiny.

00:44:04.880 Yeah, exactly.

00:44:06.500 Yeah.

00:44:07.420 You are my destiny.

00:44:09.460 You know, I don't

00:44:12.500 claim to a

00:44:14.300 distinguished academic

00:44:16.020 pedigree.

00:44:17.660 But at this point in

00:44:19.260 my life, I'm not

00:44:21.480 debating a thing

00:44:22.420 called destiny.

00:44:23.300 destiny.

00:44:24.120 So I said to

00:44:25.820 Lex Friedman, thanks,

00:44:27.260 but no thanks.

00:44:29.080 And then he, by the

00:44:30.020 way, I didn't know who

00:44:30.660 Lex Friedman was either.

00:44:31.720 I don't follow podcasts

00:44:33.340 or things like that.

00:44:34.060 I'm a book person,

00:44:35.600 old-fashioned.

00:44:36.060 And then he gets

00:44:38.680 back to me about

00:44:40.680 three weeks later

00:44:41.580 and he says, how

00:44:44.060 would you like to

00:44:44.620 debate Benny

00:44:45.280 Morris? 0.80

00:44:45.960 I said, sure.

00:44:47.040 Benny Morris is

00:44:47.740 Israel's senior 0.72

00:44:48.620 historian.

00:44:49.560 I know his work

00:44:50.280 very well.

00:44:51.500 And it would be

00:44:52.240 exciting for me,

00:44:53.100 actually, from an

00:44:53.760 intellectual level to

00:44:55.320 actually face him

00:44:56.260 because I had written

00:44:56.960 a lot on him.

00:44:58.200 And then Lex

00:45:00.320 Friedman says, and

00:45:02.300 destiny.

00:45:02.860 I'm wondering, why

00:45:06.680 are you harping on

00:45:07.640 destiny?

00:45:09.140 This random

00:45:10.080 streamer.

00:45:11.060 It was so strange.

00:45:12.140 It was strange.

00:45:13.640 Exactly.

00:45:14.520 It was so strange.

00:45:16.920 I then thought to

00:45:18.100 myself, if I

00:45:19.580 refused, then it

00:45:22.000 would look like I'm

00:45:22.920 afraid to debate

00:45:23.960 Benny Morris because

00:45:25.840 he's Israel's senior

00:45:27.280 historian and very

00:45:28.680 smart.

00:45:29.060 He knows his stuff

00:45:29.720 for sure.

00:45:30.220 And I didn't

00:45:31.980 want that to be

00:45:33.140 broadcast far and

00:45:34.400 wide, Finkelstein

00:45:35.320 afraid to debate

00:45:36.260 Benny Morris.

00:45:37.040 So I said, okay,

00:45:38.400 if he wants to come

00:45:39.500 along with Benny

00:45:40.860 Morris, this thing 0.56

00:45:42.500 called destiny, I

00:45:43.320 said, okay, I'll do

00:45:44.560 it.

00:45:45.580 And I said, I'll

00:45:47.080 debate with my good

00:45:48.220 friend, very smart

00:45:49.240 guy, Muin

00:45:49.880 Rabbani, top of the 0.99

00:45:51.440 line, and we

00:45:52.680 have the same

00:45:53.640 political outlook.

00:45:55.820 So why do I

00:45:57.440 mention it?

00:45:58.000 A few months

00:46:00.260 later, I'm having a

00:46:01.820 conversation with a

00:46:02.780 friend of mine, and

00:46:05.060 he says to me, you

00:46:07.860 know, destiny was

00:46:09.260 paid to be on with

00:46:12.380 you.

00:46:12.540 I said, no, nobody

00:46:13.520 told me that.

00:46:14.420 He said, yeah, he

00:46:15.120 was, and he

00:46:16.360 described it because

00:46:17.700 he was discreet.

00:46:18.900 He described it as a

00:46:20.640 Israel advocacy group

00:46:22.760 had groomed him to

00:46:25.520 debate me, and

00:46:27.100 had, I'm using the

00:46:28.520 words he said, paid

00:46:29.880 him handsomely to

00:46:32.240 debate me.

00:46:33.040 And it's an

00:46:33.740 unimpeachable source.

00:46:35.260 By the way, the

00:46:36.100 person who told me

00:46:36.880 this is not political

00:46:38.200 at all.

00:46:38.760 Just by coincidence,

00:46:40.980 he could say with

00:46:43.420 absolute certainty, and

00:46:45.300 I know it.

00:46:46.500 Why do I mention it?

00:46:47.800 Because at that

00:46:49.400 time, this was like

00:46:51.420 this first month into

00:46:53.240 October 7th, it was

00:46:57.520 a kind of a

00:46:58.200 revelation.

00:47:00.220 But now, we're two

00:47:02.280 years later.

00:47:03.780 We're two years

00:47:04.520 later.

00:47:06.040 In the time that's

00:47:07.520 elapsed, not one,

00:47:10.980 not two, three Ivy

00:47:14.060 Ivy League presidents

00:47:16.220 were toppled.

00:47:18.880 There's never been, I

00:47:19.880 know the history of

00:47:20.680 academic freedom in our

00:47:21.720 country, I've written

00:47:22.380 on it.

00:47:23.320 There's never been

00:47:24.000 anything like it.

00:47:25.580 This massive assault,

00:47:28.140 how was it conducted?

00:47:30.220 It started with people

00:47:31.680 like Bill Ackman, the

00:47:33.320 billionaire.

00:47:34.520 He threatens Harvard.

00:47:36.700 You don't crush the

00:47:38.400 encampments, you don't

00:47:40.020 get alumni money.

00:47:41.720 That was very, very

00:47:43.940 straightforward.

00:47:44.660 It was pure blackmail.

00:47:48.340 Which is, by the

00:47:49.140 way, their favorite

00:47:50.080 tactic, financial

00:47:50.980 blackmail comes first.

00:47:51.760 Yes, it was financial

00:47:52.760 blackmail.

00:47:54.220 If you look at the

00:47:55.360 Harvard report in

00:47:56.320 anti-Semitism, one

00:47:58.760 alumni, one Jewish

00:47:59.900 alumni, gave Harvard

00:48:01.720 $200 million.

00:48:04.480 One alumni gave

00:48:06.460 Harvard $300 million.

00:48:10.140 Ackman, $50 million.

00:48:12.240 And then there was a

00:48:14.380 petition organized.

00:48:16.520 My memory is, but the

00:48:18.220 number probably increased

00:48:19.380 vastly.

00:48:20.600 The original version of

00:48:21.900 the petition, 1,200

00:48:23.440 Jewish alumni from

00:48:25.920 Harvard threatened to

00:48:27.620 withhold the

00:48:28.500 contribution, alumni

00:48:29.820 contributions.

00:48:30.620 and so, systematically,

00:48:34.520 these college

00:48:35.280 presidents are being

00:48:37.200 ousted.

00:48:39.000 I can quote to you, but I

00:48:41.280 can't tell you the source,

00:48:42.560 but I could tell you, no,

00:48:44.580 you have to judge people by

00:48:45.940 their track record, whether I

00:48:47.320 have a track record of being

00:48:48.400 accurate or inaccurate.

00:48:49.480 When President McGill was

00:48:53.660 deposed from the University

00:48:55.440 of Pennsylvania, a person

00:48:58.880 approached her, who knew

00:49:00.340 her, to express commiseration

00:49:03.440 with her situation.

00:49:06.040 And she replied with two

00:49:08.440 words, money talks.

00:49:12.240 I can speak to that.

00:49:14.000 I mean, I've lived it, and

00:49:15.300 that is the first thing that

00:49:16.240 happens, which is financial

00:49:17.260 blackmail, and a lot of

00:49:18.200 people want to know, well,

00:49:19.360 why is this person doing

00:49:20.300 this, or why are they not

00:49:21.060 saying it?

00:49:21.840 And, like, at the end of

00:49:22.460 the day, they let you know

00:49:23.520 you'll lose everything, and

00:49:25.200 some people go, well, it's

00:49:26.180 not risk.

00:49:26.740 I'd rather just toe the line

00:49:28.200 so that I can keep life as I

00:49:29.800 know it.

00:49:30.340 And so, yeah, the majority of

00:49:31.860 people are facing that.

00:49:33.560 They have families to feed, and

00:49:35.360 they don't know how to

00:49:36.500 restart, because in most

00:49:37.640 circumstances, it's all

00:49:39.020 they've ever known.

00:49:39.600 Right?

00:49:40.100 So you're talking about

00:49:40.760 someone who's maybe been in

00:49:41.720 the academia for a very long

00:49:42.960 time, and they're going, not

00:49:44.300 only will we forcefully

00:49:45.160 kick you out, we'll also 0.98

00:49:47.560 slap a tag on you and call 0.93

00:49:49.000 our friends in the media,

00:49:50.300 like a Barry Weiss when she

00:49:51.240 was at New York Times, to

00:49:52.740 smear you and libel you as 0.74

00:49:54.560 an anti-Semite.

00:49:55.340 And so you're asking for a

00:49:57.200 type of bravery that I would

00:49:59.040 say most people don't have.

00:50:01.160 And they just go, I'm going 0.84

00:50:02.200 to shut up. 1.00

00:50:03.000 But the answer to that, for

00:50:04.800 people that are listening, is

00:50:06.360 take your kids out of the

00:50:06.940 schools.

00:50:07.660 You don't need these

00:50:08.220 schools.

00:50:08.460 I mean, what is the

00:50:09.000 upside?

00:50:09.280 You're paying an absolute

00:50:10.280 fortune for your children to

00:50:11.480 go to debt.

00:50:12.260 The system is rigged anyway,

00:50:13.660 right?

00:50:14.080 You think they're going to

00:50:14.940 have the same jobs.

00:50:15.840 They want their children to

00:50:16.860 go on.

00:50:17.200 What does it say about our

00:50:18.640 society that Norm

00:50:20.360 Finkelstein can't achieve

00:50:23.060 tenure, but an admitted 0.99

00:50:25.460 child rapist like Jeffrey 0.93

00:50:27.120 Epstein had a office at 0.99

00:50:30.040 Harvard University?

00:50:31.120 Like that wasn't what caused

00:50:32.620 the billionaire backlash,

00:50:34.660 which would have made

00:50:35.080 sense.

00:50:35.500 We're all pulling our money

00:50:36.640 unless you get this person

00:50:39.020 who doesn't have any sort

00:50:40.160 of an academic career, by

00:50:41.000 the way, off of our

00:50:42.160 campus.

00:50:42.580 No.

00:50:42.760 And this was after he

00:50:44.120 admitted and served time in

00:50:45.460 jail.

00:50:46.180 Jeffrey Epstein still had an

00:50:48.100 office at Harvard University

00:50:49.940 campus.

00:50:50.380 And that's why I say to people,

00:50:51.300 that's a Mossad operation, no

00:50:52.820 matter which way you look at

00:50:53.880 it.

00:50:54.680 Harvard University, in my view,

00:50:56.580 is running a Mossad

00:50:57.340 operation.

00:50:58.200 But again, don't want to get

00:50:59.260 lost on another tangent.

00:51:00.320 You are absolutely correct that

00:51:01.300 that is a stunning example of

00:51:03.400 how the mechanics are when

00:51:06.280 we're speaking about their

00:51:07.360 system of financial blackmail.

00:51:09.520 There are many aspects to it

00:51:11.740 and a lot of it has come out

00:51:13.680 in recent months, the paying

00:51:15.760 people of $7,000 for each post

00:51:18.360 in support of Israel.

00:51:19.600 Life-changing money for most

00:51:20.780 influencers.

00:51:22.100 Imagine that.

00:51:22.520 You can tweet 10 times a day

00:51:23.800 and have $70,000.

00:51:25.820 And I know for a fact, you're

00:51:27.420 saying you can't speak to your

00:51:28.820 source.

00:51:29.060 I know for a fact, because I

00:51:31.440 know someone who took the

00:51:31.960 money, and they wouldn't tell

00:51:34.560 me what billionaire it was, but

00:51:36.380 I can tell you around May of

00:51:38.320 this year, whenever I termed it

00:51:40.680 Operation Mocking Pastor was

00:51:42.160 happening, where every pastor,

00:51:44.620 it seemed, started, jumped on

00:51:45.860 stage one Sunday and said,

00:51:47.280 don't follow Candace Owens and

00:51:48.420 Tucker Carlson, a very weird

00:51:49.540 sermon to preach all on the

00:51:50.640 same day.

00:51:51.360 It was right after Ted and Ted

00:51:55.080 Cruz and Tucker Carlson had

00:51:57.700 debated.

00:51:58.440 There was a billionaire that

00:51:59.620 went out and offered what they

00:52:01.940 said to me was an obscene amount

00:52:04.100 of money for people to begin

00:52:06.600 influencing by creating anti-Candace

00:52:08.960 and Tucker videos.

00:52:11.120 So that's how it works.

00:52:12.120 I mean, that is just how it

00:52:13.520 works.

00:52:13.760 But I think before they were a

00:52:16.020 little less arrogant and they

00:52:17.280 wanted to be less obvious that

00:52:18.940 that's how it worked.

00:52:19.680 And now there's a panic

00:52:21.580 happening.

00:52:22.520 And so in their desperation,

00:52:24.760 and this is what's happened over

00:52:25.500 the last two years, they've just

00:52:26.820 been sort of in your face.

00:52:28.260 We're throwing money at the

00:52:29.220 cause.

00:52:29.760 We control everything and we

00:52:31.940 don't care if you know about

00:52:32.820 it.

00:52:33.100 I totally agree with that.

00:52:36.000 That now it's become, as I said,

00:52:39.200 it operates in two levels.

00:52:41.060 Part of it, it is remarkably in

00:52:43.020 your face.

00:52:44.480 We, Bill Ackman, a hedge fund

00:52:47.180 manager, decides on his own who is

00:52:51.020 going to be president of Harvard

00:52:52.500 University.

00:52:54.160 You know, there's nothing like

00:52:55.800 that in our history.

00:52:59.160 Just the brazenness of it.

00:53:02.500 And recently, how about Bibi Netanyahu

00:53:04.260 on camera?

00:53:05.700 Yes.

00:53:06.040 With American influence.

00:53:07.160 This is, I said in commentary about

00:53:09.400 this, a couple of years ago, if you

00:53:11.640 said that Jewish people held power in

00:53:14.080 media, you'd be referred to as an

00:53:15.340 anti-Semite.

00:53:16.180 Fast forward to today and you have

00:53:17.340 Bibi Netanyahu sitting down saying

00:53:19.480 that we, I need this deal to go

00:53:21.760 through on TikTok because that is a

00:53:24.440 weapon that we need to be able to

00:53:25.900 use in a room on camera with American

00:53:28.180 influencers.

00:53:28.960 So that is just, and they're saying,

00:53:30.340 how do we combat Candace Owens,

00:53:32.180 Tucker Carlson?

00:53:32.640 We don't have any power.

00:53:33.680 I shoot this show in my basement.

00:53:35.700 You know, I'm, there's no, I'm not

00:53:37.420 feeding into some web and getting

00:53:39.260 paid from foreign influencers or being

00:53:41.380 funded by Qatar.

00:53:42.340 I mean, all smears and libels.

00:53:43.760 And so what does, what does that say

00:53:46.460 when you have a foreign country leader?

00:53:49.460 Bibi Netanyahu saying that on camera.

00:53:51.520 Well, I, I totally agree with that.

00:53:54.940 The fact that he just blatantly says we

00:53:58.720 have to control the media.

00:54:01.720 I would say in response to what you said

00:54:05.980 a few moments ago, you said it does take

00:54:08.420 a lot of courage to resist these, this.

00:54:11.940 I would say there are levels of courage

00:54:16.000 that it requires.

00:54:17.220 So we'll take the most recent case that

00:54:19.780 came out of, um, was public of Van

00:54:24.100 Jones.

00:54:25.460 Van Jones is not a poor man.

00:54:28.920 Certainly not.

00:54:29.280 He got a hundred million dollars from

00:54:32.020 Jeff Bezos.

00:54:33.180 These are Jeff Bezos.

00:54:34.860 These are insurance policies.

00:54:36.500 He gave, um, Obama a hundred million

00:54:42.120 dollars.

00:54:42.940 He gave Van Jones a hundred million

00:54:45.560 dollars.

00:54:46.140 Why?

00:54:46.480 It's perfectly obvious because he knows

00:54:49.040 at some point there's going to be a

00:54:50.460 major strike at Amazon because it's a

00:54:54.540 huge operation with a large number of

00:54:56.460 people who are paid sub, uh, substandard

00:54:58.980 wages.

00:54:59.980 So he has an insurance policy.

00:55:02.660 Make sure if, and when that moment

00:55:05.860 comes, Obama will be on his team.

00:55:09.120 Van Jones will be on his team.

00:55:11.540 That's a straightforward transaction,

00:55:14.360 business transaction, but it's money,

00:55:17.720 you know, a hundred million dollars.

00:55:19.600 So why does he do this?

00:55:22.320 Why does he come on TV with his yellow 0.99

00:55:25.760 ribbon?

00:55:26.140 I live in an all Jewish neighborhood in

00:55:30.760 Ocean Parkway, Brooklyn.

00:55:32.200 There's literally a synagogue in every

00:55:33.780 block.

00:55:34.400 In some blocks there are two synagogues.

00:55:36.700 You walk up and down Ocean Parkway.

00:55:39.620 It's all Jewish. 0.94

00:55:41.000 I don't see anyone wearing a yellow

00:55:42.420 ribbon.

00:55:42.720 I know.

00:55:43.080 I'm really.

00:55:43.500 No, I know.

00:55:44.100 I don't see anyone wearing a yellow

00:55:45.440 ribbon.

00:55:47.400 Why is, why is Van Jones advertising the

00:55:53.120 flag?

00:55:53.520 He's just advertising. 0.94

00:55:56.520 I'm a slave.

00:55:58.180 That's what he's saying.

00:55:59.000 He used to brand slaves. 0.96

00:56:00.000 And he's just a slave.

00:56:02.640 And, um. 0.83

00:56:03.300 This is how I feel when I see, uh,

00:56:05.200 people in Congress.

00:56:06.620 I mean, think about a presidential

00:56:07.540 debate wearing a, a, a flag pin from

00:56:11.840 a flag that is, it's not American.

00:56:13.020 It's like you're, you're just a, a 0.99

00:56:14.720 slave.

00:56:15.660 And he's wearing the yellow ribbon 0.63

00:56:19.180 here.

00:56:20.040 If there were any, what you call truth

00:56:21.920 in advertising, he would wear a dollar

00:56:25.140 sign here, a dollar gold pin over

00:56:30.040 here.

00:56:30.380 Cause it's just money.

00:56:31.980 It's such a revolting site.

00:56:34.620 And he goes on with Bill Maher and Tom 0.97

00:56:37.740 Friedman, two Jewish supremacists.

00:56:40.140 And they're laughing about dead guys and

00:56:43.240 babies, you know, very funny.

00:56:45.760 They're laughing.

00:56:46.260 And the thing is, Van Jones knows they're

00:56:52.660 not just laughing with him.

00:56:55.600 They're laughing at him.

00:56:58.780 Yeah. 0.82

00:56:59.040 He's our slave.

00:57:00.960 Yeah.

00:57:01.080 And he has, he doesn't have even that

00:57:04.120 minimum, that minimum self-respect and

00:57:08.820 dignity.

00:57:09.740 He makes jokes about, uh, dead Palestinian 0.97

00:57:14.500 babies. 0.70

00:57:16.200 So.

00:57:16.940 Gosh, I didn't, I didn't hear, I didn't

00:57:18.460 hear whatever joke that he said.

00:57:20.120 And so that makes my skin cool.

00:57:22.200 He said that if you open up TikTok, all

00:57:27.240 you see is dead Palestinian babies, dead 0.86

00:57:30.120 Palestinian babies, dead Palestinian

00:57:32.020 babies, ditty, dead Palestinian babies. 0.95

00:57:36.540 Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. 0.66

00:57:38.000 And he says, do you know why you only see

00:57:40.440 that?

00:57:41.540 He says, because the Iranians and Qatar are 0.93

00:57:45.140 behind it.

00:57:46.120 They are, they are manipulating the media.

00:57:50.360 But there's another possible explanation.

00:57:54.280 You know what the possible explanation is?

00:57:57.000 Maybe there are a lot of dead Palestinian 1.00

00:57:59.300 babies.

00:58:01.180 In fact, just the very first month, just

00:58:07.620 October, 2023, do you know more Palestinian

00:58:14.780 children were killed just that first month

00:58:18.520 then all the other war zones in the world

00:58:23.080 combined in 2019, 2020, or 2021, or, you

00:58:31.460 know, 2021.

00:58:32.640 If you combine them each year, if you combine

00:58:36.180 each year, every other war zone, this tiny

00:58:41.040 parcel of land called Gaza, more children were

00:58:45.260 killed.

00:58:45.560 Now, it's about the minimum estimate.

00:58:51.120 The minimum estimate is 20,000 children killed.

00:58:55.220 Now, if you look at the human rights reports,

00:59:01.980 it'll probably come as a surprise to you.

00:59:04.860 You look at the most recent one that's put out

00:59:07.500 by the UN, the Navi Pillai Commission.

00:59:10.240 Navi Pillai was the former human rights chief in

00:59:14.440 the UN, and then she was on the tribunal, the

00:59:17.960 president of the tribunal on Rwanda.

00:59:20.000 She's from South Africa.

00:59:22.320 They report Israel targets children, targets them in

00:59:30.940 the head and in the chest.

00:59:33.380 Israel targets toddlers, that's the word they use, targets

00:59:42.480 toddlers in Gaza.

00:59:46.080 They said in the report, in order for children who are

00:59:50.800 suffering from malnutrition, I know you have four

00:59:53.500 children, so you'll be much more knowledgeable than me.

00:59:57.500 They need a special infant baby formula.

01:00:00.560 I guess it's a high-protein infant baby formula.

01:00:04.280 Israel bans it.

01:00:07.100 But for Van Jones, with his frat boys, Tom Friedman, it's all

01:00:15.680 Qatari and Iranian propaganda.

01:00:21.280 And what's interesting about that is they cannot produce a

01:00:24.540 shred of proof that anybody is funded by Qatar.

01:00:27.800 It's a literal talking point that has been fictionalized by

01:00:31.680 Bibi Netanyahu's agents.

01:00:33.620 You have to register under FARA every time you take a

01:00:35.920 meeting.

01:00:36.360 They cannot produce one shred of proof to that effect, and

01:00:39.440 yet all of the proof is here that actually everyone is funded

01:00:43.340 by Israel in America.

01:00:44.760 And so you just go for Van Jones.

01:00:47.060 And I mean, I can't imagine going to bed every night and just

01:00:51.400 realizing it doesn't matter how nice your house is, you're

01:00:53.200 still a slave. 0.86

01:00:54.640 You're still a slave. 0.94

01:00:56.220 And to advertise it, the yellow ribbon.

01:01:00.120 Who wears the red yellow ribbon?

01:01:02.120 Does Ben Shapiro still wear it?

01:01:04.240 Did he used to wear it?

01:01:05.380 I think he used to.

01:01:06.440 I'm not sure.

01:01:07.660 But currently, this is two years later.

01:01:10.600 I don't know anyone who, but he still wears it.

01:01:13.080 But just to show, you know, I'm sure it's in this contract.

01:01:17.760 If you wear the yellow ribbon, an extra $1,000, a bonus, $1,000.

01:01:22.020 And that is, it's really important for people to know that, how

01:01:26.280 the dynamics work, because they do this through charity.

01:01:29.340 And I know that there are other people that are working on a

01:01:30.940 report on this now because it's become so obvious of how they

01:01:34.340 will even give people the permission, these influencers, to say,

01:01:37.100 well, I'm not taking any foreign money.

01:01:38.960 Okay, nobody expected that you were receiving a check from Bibi 0.91

01:01:43.140 Netanyahu.

01:01:44.020 What they do is they'll flood the zone and they'll give money to

01:01:46.600 like the International Fellowship of Christian and Jews or put, you

01:01:50.160 know, put money into a church.

01:01:51.780 And then those individuals will then give money to influencers.

01:01:55.100 It's like it's such an obvious game.

01:01:57.700 And it's, I will say, on the quote unquote Christian side of 0.81

01:02:02.220 things, we're seeing that people are awakening to these pastors that

01:02:06.140 are going on these multiple trips to Israel and coming back and

01:02:09.760 telling their congregants that no matter what, they have to support

01:02:13.140 Bibi Netanyahu.

01:02:14.220 I mean, it's nutty, but I'm happy because it does seem as though we

01:02:17.620 are reaching this inflection point where the correct people who,

01:02:22.460 and the honest people, rather, who have been telling the truth for a

01:02:24.880 very long time are finally getting their day.

01:02:27.020 I would say public opinion is shifting for sure.

01:02:33.120 You know, I'll return to that in a moment.

01:02:38.980 As I said, there's a, such a complete unwillingness to see the situation

01:02:49.020 you're in, you're placed in when you are, um, uh, you're just a slave for

01:03:00.300 these folks.

01:03:01.420 So you take the case of Barry Weiss.

01:03:04.280 Okay.

01:03:06.580 And there are people who work in her outfit who are not Jewish.

01:03:12.460 You read, she wrote a little book. 1.00

01:03:14.460 It was a stupid book. 1.00

01:03:15.500 It was a, I mean, it was a comic. 1.00

01:03:18.220 It wasn't a book.

01:03:19.020 It's sort of the, um, I teach and it was something you'd get from a,

01:03:22.420 uh, uh, uh, a paper from a, uh, freshman, a freshman paper.

01:03:28.420 And how does she end the book?

01:03:30.180 Let me just quote.

01:03:31.620 This is how it's a book about antisemitism and how to fight it.

01:03:34.840 Like she knows about fighting antisemitism here.

01:03:37.260 She writes,

01:03:40.940 this is the force of who we are.

01:03:44.080 We are a people descended from slaves who brought the world ideas that changed the course of

01:03:52.800 history.

01:03:53.940 One God, human dignity, the sanctity of life, freedom itself.

01:04:01.920 This is our inheritance.

01:04:04.420 That is our legacy.

01:04:07.100 We are the people commanded to bring light into this world.

01:04:12.260 I mean, these are just, you know, that's a passage you would, if you replace the proper

01:04:17.100 noun, it's something you'd read in Mein Kampf.

01:04:20.180 That's their mentality. 0.97

01:04:21.940 These are Jewish supremacists.

01:04:24.060 And what did they think of a Van Jones?

01:04:27.260 What's going through their head when they see a Coleman Hughes?

01:04:29.860 They'll never be us.

01:04:31.840 Complete contempt.

01:04:33.400 Complete contempt.

01:04:34.900 Our slaves.

01:04:35.780 Mm-hmm.

01:04:36.180 One hundred percent.

01:04:37.040 Yeah.

01:04:37.200 It's pitiful, really.

01:04:40.500 And they could ruin those people in four seconds.

01:04:43.120 It's like you are literally our property.

01:04:45.440 And I sensed that because I do want to add this one element, like before October 7th, there

01:04:51.380 were tons of people who were on the quote unquote pro-Israel side like me, meaning never

01:04:57.660 cared to look at the issue.

01:04:58.520 Sounds okay.

01:04:59.320 You know, basic.

01:04:59.980 I'm not going to speak about this issue because I don't really know about it.

01:05:01.600 It's not relevant to speak about.

01:05:02.500 I really entered in the scene of politics really intent on sort of waking up black America 0.97

01:05:07.840 to other layers of slavery, like, you know, what we learned in the classroom and constantly

01:05:11.780 thinking that we have to marry ourselves to one party or and now I'm kind of through both

01:05:15.840 and being like, actually, both sides are really bad.

01:05:18.220 But yeah, so it's very I do want people to be forgiving and know that some people genuinely

01:05:24.060 just don't know.

01:05:25.340 But now we're not there.

01:05:26.740 We're not at that point anymore.

01:05:27.720 People don't know.

01:05:28.240 They very much know and they are making a conscious decision that the cash means more

01:05:33.560 to them than the truth, that they are willing to allow children to be murdered and killed

01:05:39.140 every day, plucked off in Gaza and to tell jokes about it and to and to spread lies about 0.99

01:05:44.580 the condition that is happening.

01:05:45.700 When you see if you do not have a spiritual reaction to seeing those children that are

01:05:52.820 starving every day, they will always pluck the one example of this guy wasn't actually

01:05:56.800 starving and so therefore nobody's starving.

01:05:59.300 And it is so plainly obvious that that is untrue.

01:06:03.060 Again, before October 7th, that would have been untrue.

01:06:07.220 That you just wonder if these like I just don't know how they do it.

01:06:11.560 I genuinely don't know how they do it because I would rather lose everything as I've proven.

01:06:16.240 Take it all than to speak something that is untrue because I know that my soul will pay

01:06:21.880 a consequence for that.

01:06:25.000 As I said, 40% of American Jews are convinced Israel is committing genocide.

01:06:32.040 Yeah.

01:06:33.040 But Coleman Hughes doesn't see it.

01:06:36.700 Mm-hmm.

01:06:37.700 Van Jones doesn't see it.

01:06:40.180 There is a British proverb, there are none so blind as those who will not see. 0.69

01:06:51.060 And if you know the Bob Dylan song from My Generation, Blow in the Wind, how many times

01:06:59.100 can a man turn his head and pretend that he just doesn't see?

01:07:04.840 Well, if the remuneration is enough, many times.

01:07:12.920 Well, I think that's also, I know that you're, you don't engage much on social media and you

01:07:18.200 also don't even have a cell phone, but I released this week, I sort of waited for everybody to

01:07:22.780 lie, which they did, of course, they love lying, about Charlie Kirk and what he was going

01:07:27.540 through in the end.

01:07:28.320 And I released the text message chain 48 hours before he died where he said, they've left

01:07:32.920 me no choice but to abandon the pro-Israel cause.

01:07:36.080 And I really think that the best person that put it very plainly, like if you lost Charlie

01:07:42.680 Kirk, who was actually so committed to Israel for him as in, as he started evangelical, evangelical

01:07:52.060 Christian, and then he couldn't unsee, and he said explicitly in his message because of

01:07:58.520 Jewish behavior. 0.50

01:07:59.500 And we know what he meant.

01:08:01.180 He didn't mean all Jews in America.

01:08:02.340 It's like that power that we are talking about that happens and the way they were treating

01:08:06.880 him as if he was, suddenly he woke up and realized, like I did, oh, I thought that you

01:08:11.720 guys were supporting me because you were my friends.

01:08:13.280 I thought you supported me because I will pursue the facts.

01:08:15.660 I thought you supported me because you want me to have a platform because I will speak

01:08:17.600 truth to power.

01:08:18.720 And then when you turned around and realized, well, wow, I was just a slave to you.

01:08:23.040 You view me as something other.

01:08:24.280 And for Charlie, I think he was realizing at the end, or maybe he never understood it,

01:08:32.080 that if you take the king's shilling, you fight the king's war.

01:08:36.360 Well, there's a proverb.

01:08:39.520 I'm not familiar with that proverb, but there's, he who pays the piper calls the tomb.

01:08:45.360 And what do you do when you have a not-for-profit, I have a 1c3 that has taken millions of dollars,

01:08:51.580 and Bob Shulman was one person who took $2 million away from him instantly if he didn't,

01:08:55.360 you know, start peddling the correct talking points about Israel.

01:08:59.380 And he was, he was just done in the end.

01:09:01.500 And then, you know, he died.

01:09:04.780 So it was no longer a problem, but they then rushed to misrepresent and to pretend that that

01:09:09.720 period didn't happen.

01:09:10.600 He literally told Bibi Netanyahu on the phone, no, because they were panicked about losing

01:09:15.220 Charlie.

01:09:15.860 He calls and invites him to Israel, and Charlie said no.

01:09:18.820 And yet Bibi then rushed to lie, or I guess to not tell the whole truth, when he says,

01:09:23.900 I called him two weeks ago and invited him to Israel.

01:09:26.220 It's like, and what did he say, Bibi?

01:09:28.600 What did Charlie say back to you?

01:09:31.480 So it is, yeah, you know, we see that story playing out right now where you see the fight

01:09:37.060 to make sure that they control people, people that genuinely like me and Charlie believe

01:09:40.980 that they were just our friends and believed in our mission to just tell the truth no matter

01:09:44.780 what that truth is, which means that naturally, if you're interested and committed to truth,

01:09:48.500 your perspectives will change with more information, which is what happened to me.

01:09:52.320 My perspective changed because, well, not even more information, just information in

01:09:56.360 general, in large part, thanks to the work that you're doing and people like Dave Smith.

01:10:01.860 And yeah, it really woke me up to what happened there.

01:10:05.400 There is the money issue.

01:10:07.600 And then the money issue is combined with the wholesale assault on academic freedom and on

01:10:17.660 freedom of speech.

01:10:21.500 So we'll just take a recent example.

01:10:25.600 There were the several young people.

01:10:28.660 They were what's called non-citizen immigrants. 0.99

01:10:32.480 They are people like Khalid Amakmuth Khalil at Columbia University.

01:10:36.240 And they were rounded up, sent off to strange places.

01:10:43.580 In some cases, were things like literally writing an op-ed in the tough school newspaper.

01:10:54.300 That's it.

01:10:55.060 Critical of the administration because of its support of Israel.

01:10:58.720 De facto support of Israel.

01:10:59.980 And there was a week and two weeks ago, a decision came down in Eastern District Court on this

01:11:11.460 whole case with these guys, okay, who were arrested by ICE, put in strange places.

01:11:19.680 The guy who wrote the decision, his name is Judge Young.

01:11:23.100 He was a Reagan appointee.

01:11:25.320 So we're not talking about Hamas supporter.

01:11:28.340 A Reagan appointee.

01:11:29.280 And he wrote a 161-page decision.

01:11:34.760 And he said, as non-citizen immigrants, they have the right to free speech.

01:11:44.420 That's in our jurisprudence.

01:11:47.440 They have that right.

01:11:49.400 Number two, he said they didn't say anything that crossed any line.

01:11:55.500 They supported the Palestinians.

01:11:58.400 They didn't support Israel.

01:12:00.620 That doesn't, this is America.

01:12:04.140 You have the right to free speech.

01:12:06.880 You yourself might be surprised.

01:12:09.880 Our Supreme Court has ruled.

01:12:12.080 You have the right to advocate the violent overthrow of our government.

01:12:18.500 The violent overthrow of our government.

01:12:20.160 You have that right.

01:12:21.660 That's what our Supreme Court ruled.

01:12:23.140 Our Supreme Court ruled you have the right to burn the American flag.

01:12:27.400 During the war in Vietnam, there were a large number of demonstrators, myself included.

01:12:35.860 You may not like it.

01:12:37.080 I'm talking about our laws.

01:12:40.120 We chanted, ho, ho, ho, chi, minh.

01:12:42.280 The NLF, National Liberation Front, is going to win.

01:12:45.960 Nobody got arrested for that.

01:12:48.560 Nobody got pulled up off the street for that.

01:12:51.240 There were literally millions of people chanting things like that.

01:12:57.400 Now, these young people in the encampments, they're chanting things like, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.

01:13:05.640 I don't like that slogan personally, but that's their right.

01:13:11.840 This is America.

01:13:14.180 And the judge ruled, Reagan appointee, he's 85 years old.

01:13:19.080 He says, by not letting them speak, rounding them up, sending them off to strange places, he says, quote, you're terrorizing, that's the word he used, you're terrorizing people's right to free speech.

01:13:35.840 He said, when ICE puts on the masks, you know what he said?

01:13:42.540 I'm quoting him, word for word. 0.99

01:13:44.980 These are cowardly desperados acting like the Ku Klux Klan. 0.99

01:13:51.900 That's the words he used. 0.94

01:13:53.720 Who was behind this assault on our freedom of speech?

01:13:57.620 The Trump administration.

01:13:58.400 No, the Trump administration, you could say broadly, but on the specific issue of the encampments and Israel and Palestine, that was the Jewish billionaire class. 0.72

01:14:13.720 The Trump administration.

01:14:15.800 So we're in radical agreement.

01:14:17.860 But remember, it began under Biden.

01:14:21.080 Yeah, I'm talking about when he actually mocked Khalil, because I followed that case.

01:14:25.500 Right.

01:14:25.740 And they were, I was looking at, that was because I believed in Trump and I voted for Trump.

01:14:31.420 And I agree with that part.

01:14:32.640 They got up there and they pretended he was some terrorist and they lied.

01:14:35.660 And I'm like, but he wasn't.

01:14:36.840 And we were the ones that said that we would fight for free speech.

01:14:39.420 He was actually the mediator.

01:14:41.160 I know.

01:14:41.760 He was the mediator.

01:14:42.240 I know, I followed it.

01:14:43.140 Yeah.

01:14:43.320 You know, so it's a wholesale assault on freedom of speech.

01:14:50.420 In our society.

01:14:52.580 And it was led by these people.

01:14:55.740 The same billionaire class.

01:14:59.080 That cut checks.

01:14:59.980 And this is the problem when you take the money, which I say you fight the King's Wars.

01:15:03.920 I told you.

01:15:04.360 How did Trump get into office?

01:15:05.540 Who cut him the checks?

01:15:06.520 Like who cut him a $100 million check?

01:15:08.520 Miriam Adelson.

01:15:09.780 And so the presidency can be bought.

01:15:13.200 OK, there's no question.

01:15:14.440 Yes, I think.

01:15:15.480 As all things in America, there is a certain level where you can purchase, outright purchase

01:15:21.040 influence.

01:15:21.720 And it's hard for us to recognize that.

01:15:24.220 And I had to really come to terms with that.

01:15:27.000 This has been hard for me as someone who has been a vocal supporter of Trump, truly believed

01:15:32.360 that he sort of beat the billionaire class to get into office.

01:15:36.380 To see him so radically in this term specifically shift on his perspectives of speech, I actually

01:15:45.500 feel watching him pains me to see this administration play twister to explain, well, we're free speech.

01:15:52.020 But, you know, this is different.

01:15:54.220 These are Hamas supporters. 0.89

01:15:55.500 All of these psychological games.

01:15:56.880 And, you know, you're not instantly a Hamas supporter if you have questions about what's

01:16:01.660 going on over there.

01:16:02.480 And by the way, they also gaslight us where they're like, then they get to the you're

01:16:06.200 obsessed with us.

01:16:07.200 It's like, no, you guys were the ones that insisted, insisted that we all have a perspective

01:16:13.860 on October 7th.

01:16:15.640 And so when some of us actually said, OK, well, let me get educated because maybe let me roll

01:16:19.720 my sleeves up and be radically pro-Israel.

01:16:22.700 Then we looked and we pierced that veil.

01:16:26.040 We went, oh, my goodness, how was I ever pro-Israel?

01:16:28.700 And now you want us to shut up. 0.91

01:16:30.460 Now you want our influence gone.

01:16:31.980 Now you want us to smear us as anti-Semites and Hamas supporters.

01:16:35.220 And it's it really is telling.

01:16:38.000 Well, there are two aspects.

01:16:40.580 Number one, this is America.

01:16:42.780 You're allowed to be a Hamas supporter. 0.98

01:16:45.340 That's our freedom.

01:16:47.340 I am not a flag waver, but facts are facts.

01:16:51.080 That's what was determined by our Supreme Court.

01:16:54.560 And secondly, they're not.

01:16:56.080 I mean, you're correct.

01:16:57.000 They're not.

01:16:57.620 They're not.

01:16:58.160 And even if they were.

01:16:58.840 I know.

01:16:59.420 Yeah, exactly.

01:17:00.160 They're not.

01:17:01.160 And even if they were.

01:17:02.760 That was what the judge said.

01:17:04.640 The judge said, I disagree with a lot of the things these people say, but that's their right.

01:17:10.700 And I just also want to say this to just kind of get this off of my chest, because this is what

01:17:14.120 deeply troubles me the most.

01:17:15.500 Going back to your slave analogy, which is actually not an analogy, what it feels like to me when

01:17:20.240 these and now I recognize Jewish supremacists supported me and platformed me when I was attacking

01:17:27.200 BLM because I recognized this this altogether Marxist strand.

01:17:30.820 And I was saying and I stood up to my my own people, right, my own people and said, let me tell you why this is not going to work out.

01:17:38.720 Let me tell you granddad's lessons.

01:17:40.360 I wrote an entire book.

01:17:41.840 You're amazing, Candace.

01:17:43.600 Let me get you this platform, that platform, fly you here.

01:17:46.920 And then when I was like, oh, yeah, and I know this is going to be hard for you, but you guys are not going to have to stand up to the Jew. 1.00

01:17:53.120 Get out of here.

01:17:54.640 Get out of here.

01:17:55.360 You are gone.

01:17:56.220 You are banned from Australia for speech.

01:17:58.400 I mean, think about this.

01:17:59.100 This is crazy.

01:17:59.660 And I'm going, so what was I to you, actually?

01:18:03.300 I was never there was something there was a difference here.

01:18:05.860 We didn't believe we didn't you didn't agree with me principally on BLM stuff.

01:18:09.920 Because if the principles held, if you said, I believe in free speech and you have to sometimes stand up in your own identity box and say something is wrong, they didn't agree with me principally.

01:18:20.620 That troubles me.

01:18:22.760 Yeah, it should trouble you.

01:18:26.000 That's what happened to Glenn Lowry.

01:18:31.400 I'll just tell you an anecdote that's called a October 7th and thereafter anecdote.

01:18:36.880 So I wrote a book having nothing to do with Israel-Palestine.

01:18:41.720 It was on cancel culture, this book.

01:18:47.760 Okay.

01:18:49.160 And Glenn, and I was very critical of the cancel culture, the woke phenomenon.

01:18:54.040 I didn't, I didn't agree with it.

01:18:58.980 I strongly disagreed with it.

01:19:00.720 So Glenn Lowry has me on.

01:19:03.340 Okay.

01:19:03.720 Now remember, I said I had given up on Gaza. 0.87

01:19:09.280 And one of the things I did after I had given up on Gaza was write this book on cancel culture. 0.84

01:19:15.820 Totally different subject.

01:19:18.260 So Glenn Lowry has me on.

01:19:21.840 Truth be told, I didn't want to talk about Gaza.

01:19:25.360 I didn't want to talk about Israel-Palestine.

01:19:28.020 I had left it behind.

01:19:29.420 I'm speaking factually, not proudly.

01:19:33.320 I had left it behind.

01:19:35.400 So Glenn Lowry says, he begins the show, it's on the YouTube, you could see it.

01:19:39.480 He begins the show by saying, I would be remiss in my responsibility if I didn't ask you about your views on Israel-Palestine.

01:19:47.940 I didn't bring up the subject.

01:19:51.620 He brought up the subject.

01:19:53.600 Anybody curious?

01:19:54.860 Go watch the program.

01:19:56.200 I had no intention whatsoever of talking about it.

01:19:59.200 He brought it up.

01:20:00.460 So he asked me my opinions.

01:20:02.480 I expressed them.

01:20:04.380 And then we went on to talk about the book.

01:20:07.840 Okay.

01:20:08.100 Next week, he does a program.

01:20:13.500 Doesn't tell me anything.

01:20:15.840 He and John McWhorter, they devote about 20 or 30 minutes.

01:20:21.320 I didn't watch the whole thing.

01:20:22.220 It was kind of too painful.

01:20:23.680 Not because of what they said about me, but the smarminess.

01:20:30.500 It's the fact that they didn't alert me to what they were going to do.

01:20:38.340 You know, the African-American spiritual scandalized my name.

01:20:42.600 I gave my brother my right of hand.

01:20:45.780 And as soon as ever my back was turned, he scandalized my name.

01:20:50.940 That's how I feel.

01:20:51.540 Do you call that a brother?

01:20:53.240 No, no.

01:20:55.540 Behind my back, they start to psychoanalyze me.

01:21:00.560 John McWhorter.

01:21:02.560 I mean, he knew me for the length and breadth of the program.

01:21:07.820 And what happens?

01:21:10.180 After October 7th, Glenn Lurie gets pressure.

01:21:16.620 You have to talk about what's happening here.

01:21:18.740 And he has on Omer Bartoff, who's a senior scholar, says Israel is committing genocide.

01:21:26.680 What happens?

01:21:27.860 Because the Manhattan Institute pulls the plug.

01:21:32.520 You didn't know that?

01:21:34.240 Oh, I'm surprised he didn't have you on.

01:21:36.340 Yeah, they pulled the plug.

01:21:38.020 Lost all the money.

01:21:38.840 So, on this, you know, John McWhorter, he says, every day these poor Jewish students, they have to hear all of this anti-Semitism at Columbia University.

01:21:52.820 So, just as a factual matter, all this anti-Semitism, first of all, legally, even if they were being anti-Semitic, they have the right. 0.75

01:22:05.460 But is there any truth to it?

01:22:08.340 So, the most substantial report on the subject came out from Harvard.

01:22:13.740 314 pages, alleging anti-Semitism.

01:22:19.580 I read the report.

01:22:21.700 I don't see anything.

01:22:23.160 I said, you know, probably missed something.

01:22:25.280 That happens.

01:22:27.080 I reread it.

01:22:29.200 Actually, I see less.

01:22:31.020 It's what Brianna Joy Gray would call a nothing burger.

01:22:38.560 There's nothing there.

01:22:41.040 So, you try to figure out, here's the question.

01:22:43.280 How could you fill 314 pages of anti-Semitism at Harvard, when if you actually read the report, there's nothing there?

01:22:53.540 Evidence of anti-Semitism.

01:22:55.280 There's nothing.

01:22:57.300 So, then you see the trick.

01:23:00.820 There's a little verbal trick.

01:23:03.640 The trick is, they say, quote,

01:23:05.840 For the purposes of this report, we are going to define anti-Semitism as any time Jews, Jewish students, in particular, they said, Israeli Jewish students,

01:23:21.980 every time they feel that they're being excluded in the classroom, or being excluded in extracurricular activities, or they're being excluded in social life.

01:23:36.780 That's going to be the definition of anti-Semitism. 0.82

01:23:41.700 Well, what does that mean, de facto?

01:23:45.020 So, there are all these Israelis who are coming over to Harvard after serving in Gaza.

01:23:50.200 Right?

01:23:53.660 And, you are commanded now by Harvard, in the name of what they call inclusiveness and pluralism.

01:24:03.260 You have to pal around with them.

01:24:06.260 And, if you don't pal around with them, you're an anti-Semite.

01:24:10.820 That's literally, I am not exaggerating a jot. 0.98

01:24:15.220 If you don't want to be friends with murderers, you're an anti-Semite.

01:24:19.260 Well, maybe, if that's the new definition, maybe I've been an anti-Semite my whole life.

01:24:24.340 I get what they're saying. 0.81

01:24:25.620 If you don't want to hang around with child killers, you're an anti-Semite.

01:24:30.860 If you don't like Jeffrey Epstein, you're an anti-Semite.

01:24:34.920 If you don't like people that abuse children also, I get what we're doing off the definition.

01:24:38.460 Yeah, so, it's essentially a command coming from the top down that we have to normalize child killers.

01:24:49.740 We have to say, okay, Candace, when she applied to Harvard, she had worked in a food kitchen.

01:24:58.380 And, she put that in her personal statement.

01:25:02.060 And, Joe here, he helped build a sanitation system in the Congo.

01:25:11.320 And, then there is Yaakov.

01:25:14.300 Yaakov killed children in Gaza.

01:25:17.140 No, really.

01:25:17.580 And, we're supposed to treat all three as the same in the name of inclusiveness and pluralism.

01:25:30.960 Now, that, to me, is a dictionary definition of insanity.

01:25:37.020 I had a long exchange with a person I count as a friend.

01:25:41.140 I like him very much.

01:25:43.400 A Cornel West.

01:25:44.280 It was a public exchange.

01:25:46.140 And, another woman who I absolutely like, her name is Nadine Strassen, the former executive director of the ACLU.

01:25:55.640 And, we got into, I wouldn't, there was no animus hostility, but it was intense.

01:26:02.560 Because, Dr. West's argument was, if we excluded everybody who had blood in their hands, or who propagated ideas that cause blood to be on your hands, he said that would exclude a large part of the Harvard faculty.

01:26:24.920 You know, they're advisors to governments, and they write books which influence public opinion.

01:26:33.340 He said, that's a slippery slope if you start that kind of exclusion.

01:26:42.140 And, Nadine Strassen, she said that we have to invite everybody, because the only way you can get a truth is hearing out all opinions.

01:26:55.660 And, I have to say that they can defend themselves, and they did in the course of the exchange.

01:27:06.060 But, to me, because I do tend to, like yourself, I gather, I do tend to personalize things.

01:27:13.820 So, let's say, after World War II, there's a Nazi concentration camp guard.

01:27:21.220 Because, those are perfectly ordinary people who were guards in the camp.

01:27:26.020 And, one of them is an exchange student at Harvard.

01:27:29.560 Perfectly possible.

01:27:31.960 Okay?

01:27:33.460 Now, you're telling me I should pal around with them?

01:27:38.100 If you don't want to be called an anti-German.

01:27:41.380 Yeah.

01:27:41.700 I should be, um, inclusive?

01:27:48.480 Well, nobody was more inclusive of the Nazis and the American CIA with Operation Paperclip and just giving them new identities. 0.64

01:27:55.560 But, yeah.

01:27:56.640 When it's convenient, they want you to forget everything someone does.

01:28:00.500 When it's not convenient, don't ever forget what this person has done or who their family and grandfather is.

01:28:04.940 Totally.

01:28:05.380 At a drop of a hat, they decide.

01:28:06.720 Totally agree.

01:28:08.220 But, you know what?

01:28:09.440 That's not me.

01:28:13.220 And, I don't believe that's Dr. West.

01:28:16.540 And, I don't believe it's Nadine Strasen.

01:28:19.300 I believe that, in the real world, if they had to confront that situation, they wouldn't pal around with them.

01:28:27.120 No.

01:28:27.380 Of course they wouldn't.

01:28:28.800 And that was the command at the end of this 314-page report that you have to be inclusive of the Israeli Jewish students.

01:28:42.460 We have to be pluralistic.

01:28:44.800 No.

01:28:46.160 Which, by the way, one of the most offensive...

01:28:48.300 They called it, they called it, you have to stop shunning them.

01:28:53.740 That's the word.

01:28:54.680 I'm actually comfortable shunning murderers.

01:28:56.400 Totally.

01:28:56.700 I am.

01:28:57.340 Totally agree.

01:28:57.560 Call me whatever you need to call me.

01:28:59.080 That's why I always say you got to get over their game of ad hominem attacks because if we've got to be called names, not hang out with murderers, we've got to get comfortable with that real fast.

01:29:07.280 That's exactly, you've got to get comfortable real fast with murderers.

01:29:11.980 No.

01:29:12.780 No.

01:29:13.080 That was the anti-Semitism. 0.83

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01:29:24.900 How is it that they didn't detect this rampant anti-Semitism?

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01:32:31.800 So I wanted to actually, because one of your books, and this one I have not read, is called The Holocaust Industry.

01:32:39.500 I want to talk to you about the Holocaust. 0.77

01:32:41.000 And please allow me to be offensive as I've been learning a lot about the Holocaust and why it is such a precious area where you are not allowed. 0.93

01:32:50.200 There's no incursion.

01:32:51.220 There's no, you can't ask a question.

01:32:52.560 You can't even, if I said, you know what, I think it was five million, forget it.

01:32:58.300 I mean, it is very precious and protective.

01:33:00.700 And as I've sort of began reading more books, I do have a theory.

01:33:06.400 And you may be offended by this theory.

01:33:07.780 You can push back on it.

01:33:09.380 But particularly, I felt even more confirmed in this theory.

01:33:12.880 Are you familiar with Nicholas Gruner?

01:33:14.680 No.

01:33:15.200 Okay.

01:33:15.440 So Nicholas Gruner was an actual Auschwitz camp survivor.

01:33:19.940 He was on the march, same march as your parents were on.

01:33:22.560 Your father.

01:33:23.240 Yeah, your father was on.

01:33:24.600 And he wrote a book in Giddish about his experiences.

01:33:28.800 And there was a, I'm sorry, his friend who was with him on this walk, who he wanted to reunite, wrote this book in Giddish.

01:33:36.220 And when he found out that his friend had wrote this book and it had been translated into English, he went to go meet him.

01:33:43.300 Right.

01:33:43.500 And he was like, I'm going to be reunited with somebody that was in this camp with me.

01:33:46.440 He gets to up to shaking this person's hand and he's like, you've taken on the identity.

01:33:52.420 This, this, you're not the real survivor.

01:33:54.320 That person whose hands he shucked was Ellie, Ellie Wietzel.

01:33:58.000 Um, you might be familiar with him because he wrote the book Knight and it was proven that he lied about certain parts of it.

01:34:02.160 Nobody knew why, what this was.

01:34:03.520 And so he then spent the rest of his life, Nicholas Gruner, dedicated to telling people that this man was effectively a gypsy who stole the identity of a real person. 0.97

01:34:11.140 And he said, he rolled up, Nicholas rolled up his sleeve.

01:34:13.440 He's like, we all have tattoos.

01:34:14.960 He's not going to have one because he's not the real guy.

01:34:17.100 This guy took his identity.

01:34:18.260 Well, it turns out that, uh, Ellie Wietzel was a cousin to Robert Maxwell, right?

01:34:25.200 Fascinating, right?

01:34:26.040 Absolutely fascinating.

01:34:26.940 Robert Maxwell wrote about it in his own book, uh, his, his authorized, uh, biography.

01:34:31.660 And we know Robert Maxwell, obviously who everything about there is no about him.

01:34:36.320 And I, I was fascinated by this idea that there were people who were stealing the identity, whether dead or alive of people who had actually been in the Auschwitz camps,

01:34:46.980 building on their stories in whatever way.

01:34:49.300 And it's sad that nobody knows Nicholas Gruner's name.

01:34:51.620 People should know his name because he, he, it was a, um, it was a, uh, a valiant fight.

01:34:57.160 And he, uh, to the, to the very end said, there are people who are stealing our identities.

01:35:01.560 And I go, I've got this feeling that that happened a lot more than we think it happened.

01:35:06.380 This is one guy.

01:35:07.580 And by the way, Robert Maxwell then purchased a massive stake early on in, in McGraw publishing, McGraw Hill, which means that, and then his wife was traveling around

01:35:16.880 with Ellie Wietzel and this guy was like, this was not prisoner number, whatever it was, he took his identity.

01:35:22.480 And that's a really terrifying thing to think about that people with power saw, okay, these people were in camps.

01:35:29.320 Maybe they, they perished.

01:35:30.660 We can take their identities, take their stories, whatever it is.

01:35:32.960 He never found out what happened to his friend.

01:35:34.580 Uh, he assumes he died sometime after the camp and, uh, he did write, it was his friend who wrote the manuscript in Yiddish.

01:35:41.420 And then, and then Ellie Wietzel adopted that.

01:35:44.200 And now we have today, as you determine a Holocaust industry, I'd like you to describe that, but just what I'm telling you, I mean, is that, isn't that just the most terrifying thing ever? 0.97

01:35:54.420 Um, we don't really know each other and we're having a serious conversation now and we should try to parse it.

01:36:06.400 Just mean analyze it carefully.

01:36:08.680 Yeah.

01:36:08.900 So let me give you, as I understand it, the situation, not just from family history, but from having read quite a lot in the subject at a certain point in my life, having read quite a lot, I would say almost obsessively because of my family history and having written on aspects of it.

01:36:30.280 Um, the estimates are, there was an extermination campaign by the Nazis.

01:36:39.460 We don't know.

01:36:41.000 Two main questions remain open.

01:36:43.160 Two questions remain open.

01:36:44.980 The, the two questions that remain open are when, when did it begin?

01:36:49.300 That still is an ambiguous area.

01:36:52.140 When did this Nazi extermination campaign be, actually begin?

01:36:56.760 Nazi extermination, uh, plan.

01:37:00.080 And we still don't know with any kind of certainty why.

01:37:04.420 What was Hitler's exact motive at that point?

01:37:07.820 So the when and the why, they remain gray areas.

01:37:11.740 Now I have to be, uh, for people who are listening, I have to be careful.

01:37:15.880 I stopped reading about the subject about 20 years ago.

01:37:20.560 So there may be new scholarship which supersedes what I have just said, but that's it.

01:37:27.700 Here are the two crucial facts.

01:37:30.000 One, I don't consider it crucial.

01:37:32.880 The estimates by the best historians are between 5.2 and 5.4 million Jews were killed.

01:37:40.100 It doesn't make much of a difference.

01:37:42.540 Let's say it was, it wasn't, but let's say it was 3 million.

01:37:47.140 That doesn't make it better, obviously.

01:37:49.820 Okay.

01:37:50.100 But the estimates are between 5.2 and 5.4.

01:37:54.140 Now, coming to your question, um, the Nazi extermination was very efficient. 0.91

01:38:05.140 You can use a slur and say, it was done with German efficiency. 0.95

01:38:12.220 And to some extent, there's a truth to that.

01:38:16.360 You know, what makes a cliche a cliche is, it's most of the time true.

01:38:21.980 What is a generalization?

01:38:23.960 A generalization is something that's generally true.

01:38:27.620 What's a stereotype?

01:38:29.360 A stereotype is a generalization that you don't like.

01:38:32.620 If you say Jews are smart, Jews like that generalization. 1.00

01:38:39.060 If you say something else about Jews, that's a stereotype.

01:38:42.500 But the Germans carried out the Nazi extermination with great efficiency. 0.93

01:38:48.580 Why is that important?

01:38:51.040 There were very few survivors.

01:38:53.700 Now, Candace, I'm not trying to, uh, um, I don't have an axe to grind.

01:39:01.380 I'm just telling you factually.

01:39:04.500 You take my mother.

01:39:06.600 She had two sisters and a brother.

01:39:09.240 They were exterminated.

01:39:11.340 She had a mother and father.

01:39:13.480 They were exterminated.

01:39:15.720 My father, I don't know the details, but I know for sure he had one sister and one brother.

01:39:22.780 These were taboo subjects in my home.

01:39:25.360 Can't talk about them.

01:39:26.420 So, I don't know the details.

01:39:28.740 I know they were wiped out.

01:39:30.480 One of the reasons I wasn't bar mitzvahed. 0.95

01:39:33.060 I did not have a bar mitzvah.

01:39:34.880 And do you know why?

01:39:36.020 I mean, there are many reasons.

01:39:37.100 My parents were resolute atheists.

01:39:39.780 But one of the reasons was there was no one to invite.

01:39:45.040 You see, a bar mitzvah is a big family event.

01:39:47.980 The cousins, the aunts, the uncles, and so forth.

01:39:50.600 Of course, the person being bar mitzvahed invites his or her friends, or his friends, the person being bar mitzvahed or bat mitzvahed. 0.92

01:40:00.020 But the big thing, it's a family occasion.

01:40:02.780 There was no one to invite.

01:40:04.680 There was no one to invite because the Nazi extermination was very efficient. 0.93

01:40:10.480 So, the estimates are, at the end of World War II, the estimates are less than 100,000 Jews survived the Nazi Holocaust.

01:40:27.720 Less than 100,000.

01:40:31.140 So, that means, where did all these survivors come from?

01:40:38.340 Everybody claims.

01:40:39.620 There was a period when the Holocaust industry was in full, was very lucrative. 1.00

01:40:50.320 There was a period where everybody claimed to be a Holocaust survivor.

01:40:54.020 Yeah, that's kind of what I'm getting at.

01:40:55.380 Yeah, they all claimed to be Holocaust survivors. 0.90

01:40:58.280 They weren't Holocaust survivors.

01:41:00.500 There was a person who...

01:41:03.040 I actually think they were, but I fear they were survivors of another Holocaust that was going on at the same time, and they may have been, in part, executing it. 0.78

01:41:12.480 But, which is a question that Alexander Solzhenitsyn writes, which is, where did all the Bolsheviks go?

01:41:21.280 And I think, and this is, again, a theory, while we're allowed to think, well, this is a good opportunity right now to take on the identity of people who perished and just rewrite history of ourselves as the victims.

01:41:35.100 And when I saw that Nicholas Gruner story, I was like, that's so terrifying because it's required reading coming up in schools.

01:41:40.700 You have to read the story.

01:41:41.960 There's tons of Holocaust people that we could be reading your books, talking about your parents and what they lived through, and they picked this man. 0.80

01:41:48.120 There was, look, I will get to the Elie Wiesel. 0.92

01:41:52.240 I know it well.

01:41:53.960 In fact, I'm not trying to promote the book.

01:41:56.640 It came out 25 years ago, but I write a lot about Elie Wiesel in the book, okay?

01:42:03.100 So, I remember my father, we both knew a person who had the tattoo.

01:42:11.020 The only place there were tattoos were Auschwitz.

01:42:14.120 Auschwitz, yeah.

01:42:14.580 It was the only camp where they had the tattoos.

01:42:16.180 And I said to my father about this person, and my father had a tattoo.

01:42:23.540 I always knew the number.

01:42:25.340 It was like 028128, something like that.

01:42:27.960 I had memorized the number, but now I've forgotten it.

01:42:30.140 I said to my father, I said, do you think he was in Auschwitz?

01:42:33.860 And my father said, no.

01:42:36.100 And my father was not a conspiracy person.

01:42:38.960 No, he just said very matter-of-factly, non-judgmentally.

01:42:41.980 He just said no.

01:42:42.780 And I said to my father, I asked my father, so where did he get the number?

01:42:48.620 And my father said, and I'm quoting him now.

01:42:50.440 He said, well, after the war, some people took it off, and some people put it on.

01:42:58.720 But he didn't say it as a joke.

01:43:00.340 Yeah, he was just like, this is, yeah.

01:43:01.960 My father was, yeah.

01:43:02.560 The incentive here is to have one.

01:43:04.080 Yeah, it's bad.

01:43:05.040 It's the incentives.

01:43:05.720 It's incentive culture, obviously. 0.98

01:43:07.060 That took one.

01:43:07.440 This is welfareism.

01:43:08.140 If you're going to incentive bad behavior, people are going to do it.

01:43:12.620 Yes.

01:43:13.440 I, without going into that, because that was on tangent, but yes.

01:43:18.840 And my father said very matter-of-factly.

01:43:20.760 So, my mother used to get very frustrated, because even more so than my father, she could never let go of what happened to her family.

01:43:32.380 She couldn't let go.

01:43:33.280 And there was something that really more than grated on her, when people who didn't pass through what she passed through claimed to have passed through it.

01:43:49.220 And she once exclaimed, in a kind of bitter irony, she said, if everybody who claims to be a Holocaust survivor actually is one, who did Hitler kill?

01:44:10.040 Everybody's claiming to be a Holocaust survivor.

01:44:13.460 There are very few, a handful survived that ordeal.

01:44:19.220 Now, especially particularly in Auschwitz, because there's so many were like, well, I was, you said the tattoo.

01:44:25.580 There were all the, all the death, all the, there were the death camps, and then there were the concentration camp death camps.

01:44:33.060 There were both work camps, and Auschwitz and Majdanek.

01:44:36.400 I once spoke to the world's leading authority in the Nazi Holocaust, Raul Hilberg, who was very kind to me.

01:44:43.580 He was like, he was of your political persuasion.

01:44:46.860 He was a right-wing Republican.

01:44:49.220 He swore by the Wall Street Journal.

01:44:51.900 I was at the other end of the spectrum.

01:44:54.440 And I was a total pariah.

01:44:57.460 However, don't ask me why, because I've never really understood it.

01:45:03.860 He kept defending me.

01:45:05.640 I was always very nervous around him.

01:45:12.020 I didn't want to say anything wrong, because he was kind of my savior.

01:45:17.860 He was saying that what Finkelstein is writing is true.

01:45:20.900 And when the tenure battle erupted at DePaul University, he gave this very moving defense of me.

01:45:33.560 And he said that I told the truth, it was at a very big price, he said.

01:45:40.240 But he said, in the history of those writing about history, Finkelstein's place is secure.

01:45:50.120 So, in any event, I once asked him, he lived in Vermont.

01:45:55.760 He taught at the University of Vermont.

01:45:58.680 He was very much his own person, so he could never get a job at a top university.

01:46:04.960 He said, very few women survived Meidenach.

01:46:12.120 That's where my mother was.

01:46:14.200 Very few people.

01:46:16.080 So, it was worse, actually.

01:46:19.000 The women's section was worse than at Auschwitz. 1.00

01:46:24.680 In any event, once the Holocaust industry became an industry, they were very picky about who they promoted. 0.75

01:46:39.340 Now, Elie Wiesel was a fanatical supporter of Israel.

01:46:43.820 He was fanatically pro-anything that any American government would say.

01:46:48.880 And so, he became the spokesperson for the Holocaust. 0.89

01:46:55.580 As to his personal history, I'm just going to give you the details as I understand them, okay?

01:47:02.520 He claims he was in Auschwitz.

01:47:05.400 He claimed that he was in Auschwitz.

01:47:07.700 And he describes in the book Night, he describes some scenes which Raoul Hilberg,

01:47:15.860 Raoul Hilberg, the person I mentioned to you from the person who defended me

01:47:21.820 for reasons which still remain except integrity, you know, which is so rare.

01:47:28.140 He was the chief historian for the Holocaust Memorial in Washington.

01:47:35.820 Elie Wiesel personally picked him because Wiesel knew he knew his stuff.

01:47:40.820 And, um, he said there were certain scenes that Wiesel describes in Night that occurred at Auschwitz.

01:47:54.100 Wiesel, uh, uh, Hilberg said they could not have happened.

01:48:00.460 They could not have happened.

01:48:01.640 Without question, they didn't happen.

01:48:03.700 You read Nicholas Bruner, yeah.

01:48:05.000 When Wiesel was confronted with Hilberg saying they happened, he doubled down and said they did happen.

01:48:15.700 Wiesel, I speak to, I knew some, not many, I knew some first-ranked Holocaust historians.

01:48:25.220 And they told me he was deported in 1944 from Hungary.

01:48:31.740 That was one of the last deportations from Hungary.

01:48:35.480 And he maybe passed through Auschwitz en route to a labor camp.

01:48:42.920 That may have happened, uh, according to the people I talked to.

01:48:48.580 But there was clearly, if you, I discussed it at some length in that little book, Wiesel figures, not in a cameo role, but he has a major, uh, he's a star of the Holocaust industry. 0.57

01:49:01.480 Yeah, I mean, I, I, I'm glad that I put Nicholas Bruner on your radar because he just knew the guy, he literally stole his identity.

01:49:08.360 I mean, it's like, it's, it's, it's a crazy, he knew him because, you know, obviously when you're in a camp together and he was like, just so excited to meet, to re-meet this someone who had had this experience with him.

01:49:18.140 And described the march, everything, and, you know, the soles of his feet.

01:49:21.120 And he just was like, he's, what he did was the real person wrote the manuscript and this gypsy just took on his identity. 0.86

01:49:28.320 And when he describes that moment of being on the plane, what am I going to say to him?

01:49:32.280 Like, we haven't seen each other.

01:49:33.100 And then, like, could you imagine being confronted and going, you're not, wait a second, you're not Norm Finkelstein.

01:49:39.300 You're not Norm.

01:49:39.940 That is, and he said, but he had cameras ready and they, like, shook hands.

01:49:43.340 And then he even said, what's even crazier is the real Holocaust survivor spoke Hungarian.

01:49:50.280 And Ely couldn't speak Hungarian at this time when this happened.

01:49:53.400 And so he starts, he's like, he says, let's speak in English.

01:49:56.200 It's an incredible, it's just an incredible thing to comprehend that. 0.86

01:50:00.080 And I think the best that I can guess is that you had these psychopaths, like, you know, true Bolshevik psychopaths who were like, well, we can't just walk in and be like, well, you know, I was just kind of running the Bolshevik camp over here, mass murdering Christians. 0.81

01:50:12.260 So what better way to reinstate yourself into society than to be like, hmm, I'm the ultimate victim. 0.55

01:50:19.060 I survived the Auschwitz camp.

01:50:21.400 I think that's what happened.

01:50:22.420 I think they laundered, they laundered through. 0.99

01:50:25.860 And that's why there's so much confusion.

01:50:27.180 And people are like, you're denying that people died here because there's some people that are like, well, nothing ever happened, you know?

01:50:32.700 And it's like, no, something definitely, you read this guy, Nicholas Gruner, and you're like, this happened.

01:50:37.840 And there are some people who never lived a day in their lives of that.

01:50:40.880 And I say Elie Wiesel is one of them who took their personalities, took their identities.

01:50:45.780 Full on gypsy. 1.00

01:50:46.380 I actually, regrettably, I read a lot on the Elie Wiesel case.

01:50:53.660 And I tend to defer to Hilberg's judgment.

01:51:01.580 And I think the judgment that there were in his so-called memoir, there were fabricated scenes is correct.

01:51:12.440 However, I also believe that, you know, when you explore any concrete situation, any concrete situation, there are going to be things that are inexplicable.

01:51:26.720 And you have to accept that in any historical reconstruction, there are going to be inexplicable, enigmatic phenomenon.

01:51:47.680 And I think in the case of the Nazi Holocaust, it's sort of like the flat earth society. 0.93

01:51:59.380 When you want to deny a certain phenomenon, of course, you have the right to deny it.

01:52:05.820 That's as to deny a person the right to deny is what the great British philosopher John Stuart Mill called the presumption of infallibility, that you know the truth and nobody else can know the truth.

01:52:25.060 No, we're fallible creatures, we're capable of error, and we always have to leave some corner of our mind open to the possibility that our deepest, most sacred beliefs, our foundational beliefs, could be wrong, could be wrong.

01:52:48.700 However, if you're like in the flat earth society, and you say the world is not round, in order to be credible, you have to respond to the mountain of evidence that's accumulated that shows the world is round.

01:53:14.040 You have the right to say the earth is flat, but you also, if you're responsible, have to respond to a massive accumulation of evidence to the contrary.

01:53:30.580 If you can't respond to it or don't respond to it, in my opinion, you're not entitled to be taken seriously. 0.96

01:53:39.780 Yeah, you're just a fraud. 0.99

01:53:40.820 Yeah, fine, you're just a fraud. 1.00

01:53:43.020 We agree. 0.82

01:53:44.040 So, my parents could be iconoclastic, they could be very bitter, by the way the Nazi Holocaust has been not just misused, but weaponized to justify all sorts of things,

01:54:12.680 which in many places, which in many places are not just deplorable, but abominations.

01:54:20.840 However, in all their anger and indignation, which was transmitted to me,

01:54:31.120 it never would have occurred to them to deny the horror that they endured.

01:54:44.880 So, when I wrote the little book, which caused me a lot of public grief and defamation.

01:55:02.040 Which means it's a must-read.

01:55:04.080 I know what that means, it's a must-read.

01:55:06.420 When I wrote the book, I was always very clear from day one.

01:55:16.300 I am not writing about the Nazi Holocaust.

01:55:20.500 That's not what this book is about.

01:55:22.400 There are many people with a vast knowledge of the subject.

01:55:28.560 I have only a tiny, by comparison, a tiny amount of knowledge of the subject.

01:55:37.040 This book is about how the Nazi Holocaust was, as if you can read the subtitle.

01:55:44.160 Reflections on the exploitation of Jewish suffering.

01:55:49.360 Yes, it's about how a horrendous event was exploited.

01:55:56.740 And the exploitation now has reached the point that it makes people so angry

01:56:07.380 at how it's being exploited in the cheapest, most vulgar, and also, speaking as a person

01:56:17.840 who's not religious, but sinful ways to say, justify the genocide, justifying the genocide

01:56:24.960 in Gaza, that it causes people to then want to deny it ever happened.

01:56:33.640 I believe we have to make the distinction.

01:56:39.180 It happened, but also, the way it has been manipulated, exploited, weaponized, has also happened.

01:56:53.660 Both of those things happened, just like, as I discussed with people,

01:56:59.860 I was on the program with Breonna Joy Gray a few days ago,

01:57:03.640 I said, when you start talking about Jews and money, 0.98

01:57:08.440 it very easily feeds a stereotype.

01:57:14.980 However, it's also true.

01:57:19.720 There is a problem here.

01:57:22.120 A billionaire class of Jewish supremacists are now flagrantly, brazenly using money as a blackmail

01:57:36.260 weapon to silence not just criticism of Jews, but silence criticism of an ongoing genocide, 0.56

01:57:47.420 as we speak.

01:57:48.420 And we have to address that also.

01:57:52.420 Now, it's very hard to address it without feeding the stereotype.

01:57:58.920 But I think it's, and that's why it's so important for me to constantly be addressing Jewish Americans,

01:58:04.140 because something that they're very good at doing is pretending that there's no differences.

01:58:08.680 Like, that's identity politics.

01:58:10.100 Like, you're Jewish. 0.99

01:58:10.900 Therefore, this is your history.

01:58:12.440 Therefore, this is how you should be responding to this.

01:58:14.840 And that gives them so much power.

01:58:16.180 So it's very important to study the Bolsheviks, right?

01:58:18.940 Because that means at the same time, you had Jewish people who were suffering, actually and legitimately, 0.95

01:58:26.340 and you had Jewish psychopaths, okay, who were mass murdering, Henrik Yagoda, okay, mass murdering Christians. 0.95

01:58:35.700 The same thing is happening right now, okay? 1.00

01:58:38.440 You have literal psychopaths, and I would describe them as Zionists, okay, Zionist psychopaths who are happy to oversee the slaughter of children. 0.99

01:58:48.220 Some people who I think actually look happy when you talk about it. 0.98

01:58:50.500 It's so disturbing spiritually to see people who can joke about suffering and things of that nature.

01:58:55.600 And then you have people who are dealing with the kickback of those people who don't have platforms,

01:59:00.320 who are being treated as if, and it's because both of, everybody around the world needs to understand,

01:59:05.040 it is possible for, you can be any identity and to have multiple things going on at once.

01:59:11.980 And I truly believe that the Zionist ideology is an evil. 0.96

01:59:17.420 It is this idea that you are, it's an evil because it's a supremacist ideology that says you can trample over anybody's rights

01:59:25.960 as long as it is like, you know, you serve Israel.

01:59:29.680 And that's what I have seen in my experience is that even people who I thought were fundamentally good,

01:59:35.360 when it came down to it, turned into and celebrated the death of children

01:59:38.960 because those children were Palestinian and were not Israeli.

01:59:43.560 And it's shocking.

01:59:45.220 It still continues to shock me to recognize that.

01:59:48.380 I want to just say a couple of things.

01:59:52.340 Candace, you don't know me from a hole in the wall, and I barely know you.

01:59:56.320 It's just a fact.

01:59:57.340 I'm not a web person.

01:59:58.480 I've said that.

02:00:00.280 I am from the left tradition.

02:00:03.100 You are from the right.

02:00:04.560 The right.

02:00:05.700 And my reading of, say, Russian history is going to be radically different than your own.

02:00:12.780 And I have to say that because there'll be people who, after watching this, say,

02:00:17.760 why didn't Finkelstein say that he is actually a supporter of Lenin and Trotsky and all those people?

02:00:22.120 Are you a Trotskyite?

02:00:22.880 Right.

02:00:23.320 I wasn't a Trotskyist, but I was certainly within that trajectory, for sure. 0.99

02:00:29.100 And I still am.

02:00:30.800 I'm an old man, but I still am.

02:00:33.760 But having said that and setting the record straight, I think you are correct that there

02:00:47.080 are aspects of what's going on now that are just hugely ugly.

02:00:54.100 You know, take a simple example.

02:00:58.120 A simple example.

02:01:00.600 You use a computer, right?

02:01:04.260 And sometimes, I don't know nowadays with computers, but sometimes you can work on something for three

02:01:10.300 hours.

02:01:11.340 You remember the day, and then you can lose everything.

02:01:13.420 You press the wrong key, everything is gone.

02:01:17.360 Now they have backups and backups, but I don't know how to use them, so I lose whenever.

02:01:22.300 Okay.

02:01:23.140 And then you lose something that you worked on for three hours.

02:01:28.000 Okay?

02:01:29.140 And you think it's the end of the world.

02:01:31.740 Oh, my God.

02:01:33.200 Oh, my God.

02:01:34.780 I lost.

02:01:35.420 I worked on it for three hours.

02:01:37.380 Oh, my God.

02:01:38.240 And then you lose three hours' worth of information, of work and information.

02:01:46.160 And then you're in Gaza.

02:01:49.140 This is not being done behind the scenes.

02:01:53.000 These are Israeli soldiers posting on the social media their ecstasy and their euphoria

02:02:03.220 when they blow up Palestinian homes.

02:02:06.180 Not three hours on your computer.

02:02:11.220 Your whole life is vaporized.

02:02:14.460 And they're thrilled.

02:02:16.280 They're thrilled.

02:02:17.820 You know, they have what's called in Gaza controlled demolitions.

02:02:22.800 That's what's, everything has happened since October 7th has been a controlled demolition.

02:02:27.060 I agree with you.

02:02:28.780 Everything has been, with intent, to use the words of the 1948 Genocide Convention, 0.92

02:02:36.360 it's intent to destroy a people.

02:02:38.420 Okay?

02:02:40.700 Just one step further.

02:02:42.720 They go into neighborhoods where there's no Hamas, there's no nothing. 0.84

02:02:46.820 And they just calmly rope off the area and then detonate whole neighborhoods.

02:02:55.860 Yeah.

02:02:56.560 Now...

02:02:57.080 Because they're going to turn it into a beach town.

02:02:59.120 Well, they want to, they said over and over again...

02:03:02.300 Jared Kushner's on camera saying it.

02:03:03.560 Yeah.

02:03:04.200 We're going to make Gaza, this is, they said over and over again,

02:03:08.360 we're going to make Gaza unlivable. 0.99

02:03:11.200 So you will have two choices, to stay and starve or to leave. 0.97

02:03:17.960 That's why all this talk, though, about the Trump plan is so silly. 0.95

02:03:24.060 There's nothing there.

02:03:26.960 Do you know 95% of the homes, 95, have been vaporized?

02:03:35.700 I thought that it was 85, so it's up to 95.

02:03:37.920 It was 92% before the assaults on Rafa and Gaza City.

02:03:43.540 So now it's about 95%.

02:03:45.940 There is 50 million tons of rubble.

02:03:51.480 The main agencies, UN and international humanitarian agencies,

02:03:57.840 they say that it'll take until the year 2050 to clear away the rubble.

02:04:04.060 Because the rubble is mixed in with all of these toxic substances like asbestos

02:04:11.940 and also unexploded ordnance.

02:04:16.040 So they did, they, you know, everyone says, well, Netanyahu didn't achieve his goal.

02:04:22.760 Actually, he did achieve his goal.

02:04:23.680 He did, of course he did.

02:04:24.620 I mean.

02:04:25.140 He said we will make Gaza unlivable.

02:04:29.600 Either stay and starve or leave.

02:04:33.460 He achieved his fundamental goal.

02:04:36.420 Now, he was hoping for a stampede of them leaving,

02:04:40.580 or incentivized to leave by the relentless bombing and artillery firing.

02:04:47.460 But now they'll leave in a trickle because there's nothing to go back to.

02:04:51.920 There's nothing there.

02:04:53.300 It's been pulverized.

02:04:56.120 One of the things I want to say that I find to be especially dark about the Gaza situation.

02:05:03.280 No, no, I just wanted to complete the thought.

02:05:06.040 So what you're saying when you say that they're actually happy about it,

02:05:12.060 that's not a speculative pronouncement by you.

02:05:17.760 They posted it, and they still do.

02:05:20.160 They post it on their social media, what they're doing as they do it.

02:05:26.720 That's a fact.

02:05:28.520 You can't get it.

02:05:29.220 You know, when you read a lot of the human rights reports

02:05:31.760 and the reports by genocide experts,

02:05:37.820 a lot of, you know what their evidence is?

02:05:40.600 They're citing the social media, what the Israelis post.

02:05:45.640 It's really dark, the videos.

02:05:47.320 It's very dark.

02:05:48.120 It's very dark, and you see something in their eyes.

02:05:50.360 That's what I always say.

02:05:51.400 The eyes are the window to the soul.

02:05:54.020 That's what I say.

02:05:54.640 It's demonic force that rules.

02:05:56.580 I don't care who the child was.

02:05:58.800 If I saw a child suffering, I have a natural spiritual response to that.

02:06:02.840 I don't care if that child is Arab, Jewish, black, white.

02:06:06.260 It doesn't matter.

02:06:07.260 They don't have that.

02:06:08.800 Instead, it's like, and you see it even in the commentators or Zionists. 0.97

02:06:12.120 It's like they're trying not to crack a smile and a joke about how many of these kids have been killed.

02:06:18.140 It's really disturbing, but I have to see God in this, which is just to say that what is happening in Gaza has awakened the world.

02:06:27.480 And America is the best evidence of that because we were the most asleep.

02:06:31.360 And we were like zombies on the Israel issue.

02:06:34.960 Yeah, of course, we support Israel.

02:06:36.140 It's the size of New Jersey.

02:06:37.500 Why can't you know all the talking points?

02:06:39.180 And there has been this sort of radical reaction.

02:06:41.840 And so that tells us that people, when they are armed with facts and knowledge, are fundamentally good.

02:06:47.980 You know, they're fundamentally good.

02:06:48.980 And we're fighting back.

02:06:49.880 And it's hard.

02:06:50.520 And there are people that are selling out.

02:06:52.380 But I think truth is winning.

02:06:53.680 I believe truth is winning.

02:06:56.140 And we have to, I think, credit it to two reasons.

02:07:01.440 One is a horrible reason to credit.

02:07:04.340 Israel is conducting a genocide in broad daylight. 0.62

02:07:07.540 It was very hard to conceal.

02:07:09.800 But number two, it was because a large number of media outlets, in particular on the web, were out of control.

02:07:19.920 And now there is a retrenchment, an attempt to control TikTok, control CBS News, control CNN.

02:07:31.100 They're trying to now methodically gain control again of, as the expression has it, gain control of the narrative.

02:07:42.200 And there's a real problem on our college campuses right now.

02:07:46.980 There are students, professors, in fact, tenured professors, are terrified of saying anything supportive of the Palestinians or critical of Israel.

02:08:02.960 You remember, in the spring of 2024, there were all the encampments.

02:08:09.740 And do you know what?

02:08:10.640 And the next, a whole academic, a whole academic year passed without anything.

02:08:19.600 It was like this eerie silence had descended on the college campuses because the students were terrified.

02:08:29.340 And so the media, academia, they're trying to regain control right now.

02:08:40.640 And so I believe that people have, in particular on the college campuses, have to find, you know, like you said earlier, it takes a lot of courage.

02:08:52.380 You know, there were a lot of students who were suspended because of the encampments.

02:08:59.140 They weren't allowed to attend graduation because of the encampments.

02:09:03.820 And then if you were foreign students, you were rounded up because of the encampment.

02:09:10.840 That's, it does require courage.

02:09:13.240 But I want, I also want to remind people when you think that that requires courage is imagine being someone in Gaza right now.

02:09:18.620 Like our, it's such a small price to pay, in my opinion.

02:09:22.920 And was it scary?

02:09:24.080 Yeah, I'm not going to pretend like last year was easy for me and my family.

02:09:27.580 But we were, we were, me and my husband were so committed to truth that we were just like, whatever comes, whatever cost comes.

02:09:35.000 You are now in that challenge and people say, what would you have done?

02:09:39.280 We are finding out right now what people would have done when faced with a genocide.

02:09:43.360 You know, do you turn the other way?

02:09:44.440 Do you accept the money?

02:09:45.680 Do you continue to be a part of the apparatus of the academia, which lies routinely?

02:09:50.620 That's why I say people should read Thomas Sowell and he will tell you that every bad idea comes from academia, comes from the cult of academia.

02:09:56.980 They will always publish the books and lie about what's happening.

02:09:59.780 And it's because actually it's always been controlled.

02:10:02.160 So we're trying to achieve academics when in reality it's a small club and you got to have the right perspectives if you want to stay in it, no matter how accomplished or if you're brighter.

02:10:11.260 And I really challenge people to recognize that.

02:10:14.460 So you are talking about maybe losing, you know, money.

02:10:19.860 You know, for a young person, I try to be sympathetic.

02:10:24.340 For a young person, it is a big price.

02:10:28.960 No, it's not the price of Gaza.

02:10:31.780 But their parents are shelling out a large amount of money.

02:10:36.600 Money can't be a ruler.

02:10:38.520 Ivy League school costs about $80,000 a year now for a student.

02:10:42.940 And then if you saw places like Harvard, it wasn't just your college.

02:10:52.300 They were blacklisting them at law firms, as in they said, literally, we're not talking again poetry.

02:11:01.260 We are going to get a list of names of everybody in those encampments.

02:11:06.640 They will never get a job at our law firm.

02:11:10.140 That's what they were being told.

02:11:11.520 You'll never get a job.

02:11:12.560 Which is good.

02:11:13.780 Well, I think I'm going to tell you this.

02:11:15.320 I put the pressure on their parents, not on the kids.

02:11:17.120 I don't want to.

02:11:17.560 I say, if this is happening, this is, we have to be ahead of them.

02:11:20.500 So we need to establish our own law firms.

02:11:22.460 If your kid got into Harvard, they're the cream of the crop.

02:11:24.980 Great.

02:11:25.420 The problem is, is that we are stepping into where they can control the entire plantation.

02:11:29.520 When we have what it takes to create our own stuff, we have to be innovative.

02:11:33.620 It's not for me to tell them.

02:11:35.740 You see, they have the right to choose their own future.

02:11:39.200 And they're being denied it.

02:11:41.480 You know what they did at Harvard?

02:11:44.260 These creepy organizations.

02:11:46.200 They did not only have what were called doxing trucks, where they went around Harvard and

02:11:55.120 they posted pictures of the students and calling them terrorists.

02:12:00.240 That was crazy.

02:12:01.200 You know what else they did?

02:12:02.420 You wouldn't even believe it if I told you.

02:12:04.160 I would.

02:12:04.440 They took the trucks and they went to their parents' homes.

02:12:10.340 Yeah, I did hear that.

02:12:11.240 And I commented on that.

02:12:12.220 Like 500 miles away.

02:12:14.260 So I have to put, no, we have to try to step in the shoes of others.

02:12:19.000 Oh, I'm not saying they don't have a right to be traumatized by those events.

02:12:21.320 No, but I'm saying my parents, if a truck was going up and down their block saying Norman 0.70

02:12:29.120 Finkelstein is a terrorist, my parents would kill me. 1.00

02:12:33.000 They would kill me. 1.00

02:12:35.500 Yeah. 0.81

02:12:35.820 What are you doing?

02:12:36.880 Yeah, but I think now the point of this that I and I, what you do, my platform to say is

02:12:41.360 parents toughen up, okay?

02:12:43.600 Because the people that are doing this are psychological terrorists.

02:12:46.180 That's the reason they're doing this is to give you that embarrassment. 0.91

02:12:48.860 They have the money to embarrass you.

02:12:50.240 They have the money to blacklist you.

02:12:51.820 But what that actually reveals is a fundamental problem in the system that you can be punished

02:12:56.320 for doing and saying the right thing.

02:12:58.580 It means we've got to change it.

02:12:59.660 Like I say to parents, pull your kids out of these schools.

02:13:02.200 And I'm so happy that homeschooling is happening.

02:13:04.380 Why do your kids want to go to Harvard, right?

02:13:06.520 Well, because they say this is the best school.

02:13:08.780 We'll give you all of these networks.

02:13:10.080 We, we, we, and they do.

02:13:11.580 They have access.

02:13:12.820 They have a network.

02:13:13.540 You're more likely to get a job.

02:13:15.040 But I'm saying that like, it's going to take us being bold for us to crash this system

02:13:20.840 that says Norm Finkelstein can't be tenured.

02:13:23.180 Okay.

02:13:23.500 But Barry Weiss can be the president of CBS.

02:13:25.560 Yes.

02:13:25.880 We are going to have to be the radicals.

02:13:28.420 This is what I say in my book.

02:13:29.100 We have, we, it's, we have a very small window of opportunity here, right?

02:13:32.680 Before they start coming for speech in America, which they're trying to do.

02:13:35.420 I believe that.

02:13:36.220 And so we have to be, literally be a change.

02:13:39.640 I've said that.

02:13:40.340 I pulled my kids out of school.

02:13:41.360 I totally agree with you.

02:13:43.000 There is an assault right now going on against freedom of speech, which is a real problem.

02:13:49.580 So when I see a kid that's being put on one of their lists, like there's this account

02:13:54.540 where they say anti-semi of the week, and now they're doing like 22 year olds.

02:13:58.100 I said, hey guys, this is now Forbes 30 under 30.

02:14:01.260 We should be hiring.

02:14:01.880 As soon as we see these kids that are being put on this list and this Harvard person did

02:14:06.840 this, I'm like, can I hire her?

02:14:08.440 That's my mindset, right?

02:14:09.580 You have a business.

02:14:10.520 That's our Forbes 30 under 30.

02:14:12.040 And that's the best way to look at it.

02:14:13.680 You recognize that's a very minority mindset.

02:14:17.780 I don't think it is anymore.

02:14:19.000 I mean, looking at the staggering rates of people, and that's why they're now trying

02:14:21.600 to pass laws, people are listening.

02:14:23.360 I'm telling you, we're going to be encouraged.

02:14:25.260 You always have to be encouraged by the fight that they're putting up.

02:14:29.400 And I'm not throwing in the towel.

02:14:30.820 I think we're winning and they're scared.

02:14:33.220 That's why they're becoming more radical.

02:14:34.440 That part I agree with.

02:14:35.980 Yeah.

02:14:36.440 So we say, okay, we'll adapt.

02:14:37.540 You say our kids can't go to that school.

02:14:39.480 You say our kids are going to be put on lists.

02:14:40.800 We're going to treat these lists as you're highlighting these students.

02:14:44.480 Not the actual ones that are radical and beating people up, but I'm saying.

02:14:47.480 The ones who are harmless and using their right of free speech and getting buses outside.

02:14:52.660 I want to hire that kid.

02:14:53.780 They're really, look, I totally agree with you.

02:14:58.360 I have looked very carefully.

02:15:00.600 There were beatings going on in places like UCLA. 0.52

02:15:05.640 That's when UCLA supporters of Israel attacked the encampments.

02:15:09.520 It wasn't the students.

02:15:12.960 You know, a lot of the students, they were from abroad.

02:15:17.900 They recognize their limits here and they recognize don't cross certain lines.

02:15:26.600 So I was at places like MIT.

02:15:29.660 They were just so decent.

02:15:31.000 And a lot of the professors, you know, the professors wanted, they were too old to sit in encampments.

02:15:37.220 You know, Woodstock is over.

02:15:40.320 We're heading towards Social Security.

02:15:43.560 So they sent food, so much food.

02:15:47.720 You know, there was such a festive, warm feeling there.

02:15:54.200 And then when I hear John McWhirter, who teaches at Columbia, saying, oh, the poor Jewish students,

02:16:00.160 they had to hear day in and day out anti-Semitism.

02:16:02.820 What are you talking about?

02:16:03.920 That never happened.

02:16:07.220 Harvard, a 314-page report, they said the clearest example of anti-Semitism, the clearest,

02:16:15.980 was a student who was at an encampment and got beaten up.

02:16:20.780 That's what they write in the report.

02:16:23.260 And then if you read in yesterday's New York Times, you know what actually happened?

02:16:28.400 There was an Israeli student who came up to the encampment, and he was photographing it and videotaping it.

02:16:39.700 And the folks in the encampment got nervous that they were going to be, you know, it's the younger people's expression, I don't use it, doxing.

02:16:50.100 They were afraid because of those trucks going around that he was filming them to dox them.

02:16:58.080 We called in my day to blacklist them, but your generation, or within the younger generation, call it doxing.

02:17:04.420 And so they held up their kathiyas to block him from filming.

02:17:13.220 And then there was some moment where he might have been tapped.

02:17:17.000 He might have been tapped.

02:17:18.420 One of the demonstrators said on the back of his book bag.

02:17:23.920 And he did not file police charges for assault or anything like that.

02:17:29.980 He did not.

02:17:31.500 Then his father, who's the Israeli counsel in Atlanta, he got into the picture.

02:17:39.820 And then you see how everything is being orchestrated.

02:17:44.440 And that became the main piece of evidence.

02:17:51.500 They said he was assaulted.

02:17:53.440 Somebody in the Congress said he was pushed to the ground.

02:17:57.300 Never happened.

02:17:59.140 And then Bill Ackman used, exploited, weaponized that non-incident incident to demand Harvard close down the encampments.

02:18:12.680 I mean, it's a propaganda.

02:18:14.440 This effort, backed by a lot of money.

02:18:17.520 Yes.

02:18:18.060 And by the way, that's exactly what happened to that.

02:18:20.360 I think she was in Florida.

02:18:21.700 We got to see.

02:18:23.100 He's wearing an IDF t-shirt.

02:18:24.580 She says, like, F you to him.

02:18:26.700 And I pushed his phone out of the face.

02:18:29.380 And within hours, Pam Bondi responded.

02:18:33.260 Wow, that's amazing.

02:18:34.180 I could not know that you could reach the upper echelons of government.

02:18:38.080 Like, I'm like, oh, a federal response to, oh, what a puny little kid.

02:18:42.300 I mean, are you kidding me?

02:18:43.440 Like, you put this up there.

02:18:44.720 You pretend you're a victim.

02:18:46.080 We will not allow people to be. 1.00

02:18:47.940 You would have thought they tarred and feathered this kid with the response that it received from the hospital.

02:18:52.980 How many times do you push people out of your face?

02:18:55.520 I mean, learn, toughen up, kid.

02:18:56.880 Yeah.

02:18:57.180 It's a girl.

02:18:58.180 Yeah.

02:18:59.000 I'm not saying it's okay.

02:18:59.940 I'm saying what's not okay is that they achieved a federal response within hours.

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02:21:40.820 I mean, I think we've—I do want to get to your forthcoming book because we—I actually don't have a copy of it, but it is coming out.

02:21:47.500 It will come out in November.

02:21:48.900 And it is called Gaza's Gravediggers, An Inquiry into Corruption in High Places. 0.84

02:21:53.580 Tell me what that book is about.

02:21:56.000 In my opinion, the truth about Gaza is no-no. 0.58

02:21:59.320 There is so much human rights material on it.

02:22:06.920 About maybe already four months ago, South Africa, which has been prosecuting the genocide case,

02:22:20.000 it submitted to the International Court of Justice a 700-page memorial.

02:22:28.460 That's basically your brief, with, believe it or not, 4,000 pages of documentation.

02:22:37.100 So, it's—I felt—when I wrote the Gaza An Inquest into its martyrdom, nobody knew anything about what was going on in Gaza.

02:22:48.120 So, I sat down, and I read through all the human rights reports, all the available information,

02:22:55.260 and I tried to reconstruct the picture of what has happened to that godforsaken place.

02:23:04.000 But that's not needed anymore.

02:23:06.980 Like you said, most people have a general knowledge of it, and then from a scholarly academic point of view,

02:23:15.220 there's such a vast amount of information available, I didn't feel I needed to repeat it.

02:23:21.000 I didn't have to do what I did with the Gaza book.

02:23:23.460 So, instead, what I did was, I looked at key figures in the international institutions.

02:23:32.860 People like Pramila Patton.

02:23:36.560 She was head of what was called Conflict-Related Sexual Violence. 0.96

02:23:45.180 They used the abbreviation CRSV, a very clunky abbreviation.

02:23:52.880 And Secretary General Gutierrez of the U.N. Security Council, or U.N. System, Secretary General Gutierrez,

02:24:03.500 he has her go over to Israel to document sexual violence against Israelis on October 7.

02:24:10.760 And she says, she comes back, and she says there's clear and convincing evidence,

02:24:19.700 or there's reasonable grounds to suppose, the Hamas committed rape on October 7.

02:24:28.920 And as, of course, you know, and your camera people and your team know,

02:24:34.160 that Israel ran with it.

02:24:36.060 They ran with it. 1.00

02:24:37.220 The Hamas rapists. 0.99

02:24:40.760 So, you look at the evidence. 0.98

02:24:43.580 I look at what she has in her report.

02:24:47.580 And apart from witnesses, in quotes, Israeli witnesses, there is no evidence.

02:24:56.620 Now, you might say, well, it could still have happened without witnesses.

02:25:03.960 Excuse me.

02:25:04.620 It could still have happened without evidence.

02:25:07.360 But here's the thing.

02:25:08.700 Towards the end of her report, she says, there's no medical evidence of rape.

02:25:19.520 There is no forensic evidence of rape.

02:25:24.000 And then she has this revealing tidbit.

02:25:27.760 And I hope all of your listeners will process it.

02:25:33.820 She says, we have 5,000 photographs from October 7.

02:25:42.460 She said, we looked at her team, looked at 5,000 photographs.

02:25:45.920 She said, we looked at 50 hours of digital footage.

02:25:53.740 That's not a small amount.

02:25:56.200 50 hours of digital footage.

02:25:59.480 They said, we looked at CCTV.

02:26:02.400 We looked at traffic cams.

02:26:06.640 We looked at body cams.

02:26:10.300 We looked at dash cams.

02:26:13.300 Okay?

02:26:15.200 Now, she says, not me, not you.

02:26:21.000 Pramila Patton says, we saw no photographic or digital evidence of sexual violence.

02:26:32.220 She didn't even limit it to rape. 1.00

02:26:34.100 She said, we saw no direct photographic or digital violence, digital evidence of rape.

02:26:47.040 But did that stop her from concluding, we have reasonable evidence?

02:26:54.980 We have clear and convincing evidence?

02:26:58.240 There was no evidence.

02:27:00.500 It was money.

02:27:01.320 It was, whether it was money, I honestly can't say in her particular.

02:27:08.380 It's a guess for me that usually when somebody comes to a conclusion like that, there's a fellowship, there's just something there that you'll find.

02:27:17.480 I'm not disputing that.

02:27:19.120 I say as a factual thing, I can prove it.

02:27:22.160 Okay?

02:27:23.420 I'm not saying it's not true what you said.

02:27:25.820 I'm guessing, and I don't know it's true.

02:27:27.220 Yeah.

02:27:27.920 But then, as you know, Israel ran with it. 0.91

02:27:31.620 And you know why they ran with it? 0.66

02:27:34.740 Israelis did not need the incentive of rape to commit genocide in Gaza.

02:27:38.900 They ran with it for here because of our own history.

02:27:45.500 They knew it would resonate here because of our own history of slavery and the lynchings and so forth.

02:27:54.680 That was also behind the babies were put in ovens, which got debunked.

02:27:59.180 The idea here is actually what you're trying to exploit is Jewish-American emotion when you hear the concept of ovens at all.

02:28:06.920 And so that's very clear.

02:28:08.780 I never thought of that.

02:28:09.960 And he did get caught, by the way, that he did specifically share, and this was a part of the BB trials, which are now, I don't know what the update on that is,

02:28:18.260 but that he, a team of propagandists moved to spread lies to the Western public.

02:28:24.960 So that's exactly...

02:28:26.260 And it got weaponized here.

02:28:30.860 And then another Jewish supremacist billionaire, this was Sheryl Sandberg, the former COO, chief operating officer of Meta.

02:28:46.700 Now, she makes a documentary called Screams Before Silence.

02:28:54.500 Now, Sheryl Sandberg, as a factual matter, you know her?

02:28:59.500 I don't know her.

02:29:00.340 Oh, I'm surprised.

02:29:01.660 She's very smart.

02:29:02.840 I know who she is, but I know what she wrote, her book, and, you know, whatever about women, lean in, yeah. 0.99

02:29:07.720 She was the top student in her class in economics at Harvard. 0.63

02:29:13.580 She's no fool.

02:29:14.380 She knows, she knows evidence.

02:29:18.980 There was, by their own admission, there was no evidence.

02:29:25.860 There was no material evidence of rape.

02:29:27.520 There was not.

02:29:29.000 In fact, I think the evidence, it's not just an absence of evidence.

02:29:34.860 The fact that there's no photographic or digital evidence, none.

02:29:40.580 Now, if it were the case, there were only three pictures.

02:29:44.380 But 5,000?

02:29:47.160 Now, Candace, I don't know how old you are, but obviously you're several generations younger than myself.

02:29:54.460 They said that the rapes, Israel said, that the rapes occurred in public, broad public space.

02:30:03.360 And they said the witnesses were in hiding as they observed these gang rapes, they said.

02:30:17.280 Now, I'm not of the younger generation, but I certainly observe the younger generation.

02:30:26.200 You know, they take pictures of everything.

02:30:30.040 Everything they photograph.

02:30:32.140 You're walking along the street, you see a dead pigeon, out comes the iPhone.

02:30:36.620 You see a bee in the air, out comes the iPhone.

02:30:39.440 Now, you're telling me not one of these witnesses thought to photograph a gang rape?

02:30:47.780 They say they're in the safety of a hiding place.

02:30:51.020 None.

02:30:51.400 So, I think, rather than cast it as no evidence of rape, I think it should be cast as overwhelming evidence that there was no rape.

02:31:05.500 But that doesn't stop the top student in her year in the Harvard Economics Department from making a documentary claiming there was mass rape on October 7th by Hamas.

02:31:25.500 Why does she do it? 1.00

02:31:27.640 It's very simple why she does it.

02:31:29.660 So, there are the little facts, like the ones we just spoke of.

02:31:37.540 The pictures, the absence of medical evidence, absence of forensic evidence.

02:31:42.660 There are the little facts.

02:31:44.800 And then, as you well know, there is the cause.

02:31:51.880 Mm-hmm.

02:31:52.220 There is the cause.

02:31:53.920 And all the uncomfortable little facts, like there's no evidence, they pale in comparison to the cause.

02:32:11.780 The cause is, am Israel chai.

02:32:16.880 Israel must live. 1.00

02:32:18.080 Mm-hmm. 0.99

02:32:18.640 They're a complete supremacist.

02:32:24.460 Now, I am not going to quarrel with your deep-seed belief.

02:32:32.160 I will not quarrel with it.

02:32:34.100 Israel must live. 1.00

02:32:36.320 If that's your belief, I won't quarrel with it.

02:32:39.920 But it's as if a German, during World War II, were making propaganda films on the pretense, and they did. 0.80

02:32:55.280 They made films saying the concentration camps weren't bad.

02:32:57.980 They went into some of them.

02:32:59.480 They had this newsreel footage, made it look like a summer home, you know.

02:33:03.540 So, the issue now, or I should say the issue then, during World War II, is not whether Germany should live.

02:33:20.400 At that point, the issue was the mass extermination of people.

02:33:28.640 Nobody was denying Germany's right to live.

02:33:34.900 What they were denying was Germany's execution of a genocide.

02:33:44.900 And it's the same thing now.

02:33:47.740 You could say, am Israel chai.

02:33:51.480 Israel must live, or Israel will live, to the end of time. 0.99

02:33:55.880 Fine, you could say it.

02:33:56.960 And I grant you your belief.

02:33:59.460 I don't happen to agree with it.

02:34:01.620 But I'm not going to deny you that.

02:34:07.060 I can understand that sentiment.

02:34:09.860 But when that sentiment, in the midst of what's happening in Gaza, now,

02:34:20.960 and that part of it is, it's not just morally unacceptable.

02:34:33.660 You're just a propagandist for genocide.

02:34:37.020 She's no different, and I'll say it, and Ms. Sandberg,

02:34:41.160 and I'm not going to deny you your achievements and your accomplishments.

02:34:46.440 I will not.

02:34:49.060 I recognize it's hard work.

02:34:51.340 And she was not, she wasn't born rich.

02:34:54.280 She was, I know, I've heard people who know her.

02:34:56.740 She was a hard worker.

02:34:58.060 It's not Barry Weiss.

02:34:59.480 No, it's not.

02:35:00.200 So, I'm not going to deny you your achievements.

02:35:10.300 But you're no different than Lenny Riefenstow,

02:35:14.260 that was the famous film propagandist for Hitler.

02:35:19.580 She did a very famous, she happened to be very gifted in film.

02:35:24.200 She used it for the wrong purpose. 0.98

02:35:27.280 She had made a famous film called Triumph of the Will, glorifying Hitler. 0.78

02:35:32.960 You're no different.

02:35:34.520 Okay, you're not on the scale of Lenny Riefenstow.

02:35:39.720 But you're a propagandist.

02:35:42.980 This is not about let Israel live. 0.91

02:35:47.380 The issue is let Palestine live. 1.00

02:35:52.040 That's the issue right now.

02:35:56.240 And you have just, you have self-recruited yourself as a propagandist for a genocide.

02:36:07.760 And by the way, Ms. Sandberg, that's just not my opinion.

02:36:12.200 And it's, as the most recent Washington poll showed, 40% of American Jews believe it's a genocide.

02:36:25.540 You have self-recruited yourself as a propagandist for genocide.

02:36:33.860 As does, as does Mr. Van Jones.

02:36:41.020 That's your, that's your job title as of now.

02:36:48.560 You know, it's something that I want to reiterate as we close here.

02:36:52.260 And I want to basically direct people where they can find your book.

02:36:54.940 But I have said this over and over again, and I think it's starting to register with people.

02:37:00.300 If you side with evil, you should remember that evil is always an orphan.

02:37:04.880 If you are finding someone that feels nothing when they kill a child, you are dealing with somebody that has a capacity for evil that you mean nothing.

02:37:12.840 They will, they won't even flinch if they have to kill you too.

02:37:15.580 And this is something that I have really taken the time to explain to people. 0.87

02:37:21.000 Like if you will, and that includes you, Jewish Americans, right? 0.92

02:37:24.020 When we're speaking about BB Day at Yahoo and people with that capacity for evil, there is nothing to those individuals but themselves.

02:37:32.500 And you have to be very careful when you're allying with evil to realize that it will, it will snap in two seconds and take you out.

02:37:38.180 Evil is always an orphan.

02:37:39.060 I would just comment on that.

02:37:43.500 You know, I think it cuts both ways.

02:37:46.420 One of the questions that's always been asked is, is it possible for a person to be evil, a mass murderer, in so to speak, one compartment of his or her life, and then be just a very...

02:38:02.300 Okay.

02:38:03.220 Absolutely not.

02:38:03.760 I agree.

02:38:05.320 It's an open question.

02:38:06.780 But if you ever have time, one film which very much struck me, nobody's ever heard of it, you should watch it.

02:38:16.120 It's called The Music Box.

02:38:18.540 And it's about a young woman, a lawyer.

02:38:23.800 She lives in Washington.

02:38:24.860 She lives in Chicago.

02:38:25.780 Her father sacrificed everything in his life so she can get through law school.

02:38:33.800 Okay.

02:38:35.720 And the film begins, she loves her father to death.

02:38:42.000 The father loves her to death.

02:38:44.840 Okay.

02:38:46.920 He was a wonderful father to her.

02:38:49.080 And the film begins with the U.S. government presenting her father with papers that he was a mass murderer during World War II in Hungary.

02:39:03.060 Okay?

02:39:04.700 Her father asks her to defend him.

02:39:11.240 I don't want to give away the ending, because some people may watch it, The Music Box.

02:39:15.780 But it explores that theme.

02:39:16.920 And you will be, I think you will be touched and moved by how that whole story unfolds.

02:39:25.880 Whether you can be a monster in one compartment of your life and a loving family member in the other.

02:39:36.600 Now, I'm not saying you're wrong, because I think it is a complicated question.

02:39:41.840 But it's worth pondering.

02:39:44.540 Yeah.

02:39:44.700 It definitely is worth pondering.

02:39:46.920 And so I want to point them in the direction, by the way, where can they get your forthcoming book?

02:39:51.680 Is that out now?

02:39:53.120 No, it'll be out hopefully in January.

02:39:55.300 So in the interim, you guys, all of these topics that we covered today are really important.

02:39:59.320 So the Holocaust industry, we all know it's happening. 0.99

02:40:02.180 Finally, we were at a circumstance where the people can go backwards and understand more about how that happened.

02:40:08.220 And also Gaza, an inquest into its martyrdom.

02:40:10.760 If you are just starting to realize something is very wrong and you need to independently educate yourself, that is a good place to start.

02:40:18.060 And lastly, I'll burn that bridge when I get to it.

02:40:22.840 And these are his heretical thoughts on identity politics, cancel culture and academic freedom.

02:40:26.740 I'm sure some of this he and I disagree on and agree on.

02:40:30.620 But what I will say is that one of my favorite things is that this issue is bringing people together from other sides and that that needs to happen.

02:40:40.120 And we need to start allying ourselves and recognize whether you view yourself on the left or the right, doesn't matter.

02:40:45.460 Do you follow goodness or do you follow evil at your core?

02:40:49.160 Anything that you would like to add before we get you out of here?

02:40:52.520 No, I want to say.

02:40:55.900 First of all, when I was first on your program, which is about two years ago now.

02:41:02.620 I appreciate the fact that you listened.

02:41:06.640 You listened.

02:41:07.200 And I was on with Jordan Peterson's daughter.

02:41:12.140 I forgot her name.

02:41:12.880 Kayla Peterson.

02:41:13.480 Yeah.

02:41:14.920 And she listened.

02:41:17.100 You don't have to agree with me.

02:41:19.060 And there are many things I said today we didn't agree on.

02:41:22.700 But I respect the fact that you were a good listener.

02:41:27.760 And I would also say that if you disagree with me, Mr. Shapiro, Ben Shapiro, Sam Harris, Van Jones, if you disagree with me, stop trying to, not in the case of Van Jones, but the others.

02:41:49.920 Come up and just talk about, try to be Candace Owens.

02:41:57.880 Listen, and then you can respond just like she did.

02:42:00.940 What's the fear?

02:42:03.540 Why are you so afraid?

02:42:05.080 You've received countless requests to debate me.

02:42:10.480 And each and every one of them you've turned down.

02:42:14.440 I sent a list, a very long list, to Piers Morgan of people who are, they say, who would you like to debate?

02:42:21.920 And all of them turned it down.

02:42:27.040 I put Ben Shapiro on the list.

02:42:29.880 I put Sam Harris on the list. 1.00

02:42:35.280 I would be happy to debate Bill Maher, even though I believe he's a moron. 0.99

02:42:43.280 I'd be happy to debate him. 1.00

02:42:45.500 Defend yourself.

02:42:46.200 So, I believe you should have the courage of your convictions.

02:42:54.240 Ms. Sandberg, let's debate it.

02:42:57.060 Let's debate what happened on October 7th.

02:42:59.800 And whether there's any material evidence of right.

02:43:04.340 Any material evidence of right.

02:43:06.900 Let's look.

02:43:07.740 Let's examine it.

02:43:08.580 And I'm appreciative, even though we come from very different corners of the political universe, that you gave me the time.

02:43:19.100 And I remember somebody once said to me, she's a senior historian of Nazi Holocaust.

02:43:29.440 She says, in judging a person, character is much more significant than ideology.

02:43:39.860 You can have nasty people across the political spectrum.

02:43:46.420 Character is a much better indicator of a person than his or her ideology.

02:43:54.360 And I discovered that with Raoul Hilberg.

02:43:59.040 Ideologically, polar ends of the spectrum.

02:44:02.200 But the guy, he came out slugging for me.

02:44:06.380 And that was a real, it was an epiphany for me.

02:44:11.400 And I'm grateful that you gave me the time as well.

02:44:16.600 And I'm grateful that we were able to do this in person.

02:44:19.620 And I think there's going to be so many people who challenge themselves and make sure that they have the courage of their own convictions.

02:44:25.560 So, you guys, so much to learn, so much to process, all of us just trying to make sure we know what we are saying and that the facts are on our side.

02:44:33.880 So, thank you for joining us in this discussion.

02:44:36.180 We'll see you next time.

Candace Owens - October 31, 2025

Candace Owens x Norman Finkelstein

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