Candace Owens - Candace x Hunter Biden： The Interview

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00:00:26.160 more at www.f35.com slash canada hunter biden welcome to the candace owens show it's wonderful

00:00:35.260 people are just going to be like how on earth did this happen right now i gotta give them a bit of

00:00:40.100 a backstory so i um i i went to dinner with a fellow podcaster and we were just talking about

00:00:46.420 interviews because we don't do too many interviews on the show and he he first asked me what was the

00:00:50.300 best interview i ever did and i said without question the uss liberty survivor phil turney

00:00:54.680 And then he said, what would be your top interview that you'd want to do?

00:00:58.040 And I said, oh, gosh, we're in such a different time now.

00:01:00.480 Like, I'm just not interested in politics.

00:01:02.100 Like, it would have to be something so different.

00:01:04.720 And then I said, actually, Hunter Biden.

00:01:08.120 And I said to him, I watched your sit down with Andrew Callahan.

00:01:13.260 Yeah.

00:01:13.660 And it was kind of the most refreshing interview that I had seen in politics in a very long time

00:01:19.440 because we're so used to being gaslit about various things happening everyone's trying to

00:01:25.040 hide stuff and we read a lot about you I guess we didn't really hear anything from you so this was

00:01:30.080 kind of the first time but I heard you in your own words just totally owning your addiction issues

00:01:35.240 also going after Jake Tapper and George Clooney and when we were kind of expecting the typical

00:01:42.720 Democrat like these are great guys these guys are amazing Jake Tapper should you know win a Pulitzer

00:01:46.760 i don't know and i i would just it wasn't what i was expecting is what i would say so uh and then

00:01:52.500 that person just sort of made this happen yeah so i want to just sort of get into the hunter biden

00:01:58.820 story i will say to the audience right now i have already uh made the pledge right when i got on the

00:02:03.280 phone with you that like obviously i'm not going to make you say anything bad about your father

00:02:06.640 because that would just be completely demonic to be like say something terrible about your father

00:02:10.460 everyone knows my opinions my political perspectives they're already out there he's your dad so that

00:02:15.480 is separate from my viewpoints because there's no way I possibly could yeah of course I totally

00:02:21.300 get that um but there's a lot to be said about you and a lot that I guess hasn't been said about

00:02:26.640 your journey and um I guess I want to start with just one question for the culture the cocaine

00:02:34.020 that was found at the White House was it yours no not only was it not mine no number one is thank

00:02:42.180 you for having me here and one of the reasons is to be able to answer these questions you know

00:02:47.260 the one thing i am uh after six years of this i've been sober since june 1st of 2019 clean and

00:02:55.660 sober verifiably so by the way and uh verifiably so by the the uh the bureau of uh probation in

00:03:04.520 which i was drug tested randomly for over the course of two years while i went through my

00:03:09.720 trials and things like that but beyond that is that uh uh to directly to your question i wasn't

00:03:15.940 even there not only there but people have to understand is where that cocaine was found

00:03:20.240 was you know the visitor's entrance underneath the the that is where visitors come in and uh

00:03:28.320 and they come over from the old executive office building staff to go to the um uh go to the oval

00:03:34.360 or go to the chief of staff's office or to the offices in the West Wing.

00:03:38.560 And it was found in a cubby right outside of the Situation Room.

00:03:45.660 And it's like no possibility, not even remotely,

00:03:50.240 beyond the fact that I wasn't even there.

00:03:51.700 I mean, I spent probably, you know, over the course of four years,

00:03:56.100 maybe um 25 days at the white house like 25 nights 30 if i you know i'm being fair and so

00:04:06.580 it's just a you know it was an easy easy you know um i was i'm an easy target uh and

00:04:14.540 understandably so right i mean i've been i think probably the most famous addict uh and uh famous

00:04:22.440 person, um, there's the grace of God in recovery for seven years, but we're close to seven years,

00:04:28.880 June 1st. Yeah. I definitely thought you were on drugs while your father was in the White House.

00:04:33.720 I don't know, but I think it might've just also been the timing of the laptop coming out and then

00:04:38.140 people just assuming that you were still on drugs. I don't know, but that might've been why in our

00:04:42.540 heads we thought that. I think that, that it was, that they purposely conflated, um, you know, my,

00:04:49.140 I wrote a book, which came out in April of 2021, in which I did something that very few people, I think, ever that are kind of similarly situated to me do, in which I was 100% frank about the fact that not only was I an addict, not only was I an alcoholic, I don't really see the distinction between the two when they're both drugs, but I was a crack addict.

00:05:13.880 Like, I was a degenerate crack addict.

00:05:16.640 I mean, I've heard you call me a crackhead many times, 0.89

00:05:19.280 and the truth of the matter is I was a crackhead.

00:05:22.740 And I say that not to shock people, because it's really shocking.

00:05:31.020 Crack cocaine carries such a stigma to it to begin with.

00:05:34.900 But I say it because I think that there are so many people,

00:05:39.160 I don't think, I know, there are so many people,

00:05:42.560 I think that there's, you know, at any given time, 30 million Americans that are either in active addiction or in recovery.

00:05:50.820 There's not a single person that I know that hasn't been impacted by addiction at some level, in some form, personally, or with someone that is one degree of separation from them that they love.

00:06:01.580 No one that I know.

00:06:02.740 Least of all me.

00:06:03.780 Yeah.

00:06:03.960 And part of that, one of the reasons I'm here, the stories that you tell about that in terms of...

00:06:11.640 My family.

00:06:12.560 your family and uh and and there is where the common ground is for me i'm i i can 100 say this

00:06:24.460 is that i a friend of mine uh said gave me this quote um about two years ago and it's become my

00:06:35.300 mantra is it it's mother teresa it was attributed to mother teresa is if you want to change the

00:06:42.880 world go home and love your family that's that is my that's that's my everything uh now and um

00:06:51.460 and part of that is not just the family that you have um by uh blood and birth but also the

00:06:57.980 community that uh that you're inextricably uh tied to and that community for me is the recovery

00:07:05.320 community and it's people that are still sick and suffering from addiction and so the biggest reason

00:07:11.780 that i wanted to come talk to you beyond the fact and this is not me blowing smoke i think that

00:07:16.700 regardless of whether i agree with you that you're probably the most effective communicator

00:07:23.560 um uh i've ever heard thank you behind a microphone and it's really driven me

00:07:30.420 crazy at times really really really mad yeah um um but is is is it i wanted to talk to you

00:07:41.060 about those things and anything else you want to talk about yeah i was i'm most interested in the

00:07:46.280 addiction story and and i was saying to you before we got uh before we started rolling that this was

00:07:51.400 sort of something that i noticed when i would cover various topics whether it was pornography

00:07:55.920 drugs on my show uh drinking how many men would write and say they were suffering with various

00:08:01.460 things and yet they don't often speak about um like how they're quietly suffering at whether

00:08:07.200 it's with addiction to pornography addiction to drugs and i don't think there are enough

00:08:11.760 conversations about it and so when i watched that interview of you just just laying it out there

00:08:16.080 something that most people try to hide or they're shameful of i was like there actually just needs

00:08:20.020 to be more dialogue about it. I grew up with tons of addicts in my family. I have people in my

00:08:23.360 family who are still addicted. And there is, I think, there is a natural anger that people have

00:08:30.540 when they, for some reason, believe, and I think this was part of the anger that I had it toward

00:08:37.640 you before I heard you speak about your addiction, is that you sort of think when somebody has money

00:08:41.940 and political connections that that somehow removes them from going through these sorts

00:08:48.100 of barriers in life so when I grew up it's like okay like you have uncles whatever that are

00:08:52.300 addicted to crack you have cousins that are doing crack whatever it is or experimenting with meth

00:08:56.260 and drugs and those things and then you see someone that has a life of privilege and for

00:09:00.020 some reason in your mind you wrongly go okay that can't happen and it did happen and I actually

00:09:04.860 I'd like to hear like how you got addicted like what was actually the the story your path toward

00:09:10.660 addiction yeah so i thank you for uh let me talk about that or asking me about it and i really mean

00:09:18.980 it it's um one of the things that traps people i can only speak about myself but i think that uh

00:09:26.180 people that are in uh that are addicts or that are in recovery also you find out really fast

00:09:33.600 is that you're not as terminally unique as you think you are is that um and one of the things

00:09:38.460 that is really important about addicts talking to each other

00:09:44.460 and talking about it is that realization.

00:09:48.160 Because one of the things that traps you in your addiction is shame.

00:09:52.400 And you, like me, are Catholic,

00:09:57.080 and we have learned that guilt is an appropriate emotion.

00:10:02.740 Guilt is an appropriate response to something

00:10:05.860 when you've done something wrong.

00:10:07.460 And you're supposed to atone for it, and you're supposed to seek forgiveness, whether the forgiveness comes from an individual or not. That's the lesson, is that it is only through seeking that forgiveness can you release yourself from that guilt.

00:10:25.280 that's appropriate shame is not shame is just absolutely corrosive shame is you telling

00:10:31.640 yourself that you're not worthy that you're never going to be worthy that you that the things that

00:10:36.540 you've done you can never be redeemed from and i've done horrible things in my addiction in terms

00:10:41.500 of what i did in terms of my relationships and and decisions that i made and more than anything

00:10:47.720 is just removing myself from being present for the people that love me.

00:10:55.000 And what happened to me, and I really mean this,

00:11:03.740 is that the exposure, not piecemeal, but the total exposure,

00:11:11.220 my entire digital footprint stolen from me,

00:11:13.660 The 20-year digital footprint, every text message, every picture, all of the things that you would be ashamed of became front-page news for four years, five years, beginning in 2019.

00:11:33.040 And it forced me into a choice.

00:11:37.020 And the choice was, do I get out of bed and live, or do I die?

00:11:42.260 and it became that much of a dichotomy and i uh and i chose to live it wasn't easy and um and

00:11:54.360 maintaining sobriety in in that kind of like a pressure cooker um is often the thing that

00:12:02.100 triggers you but something broke in me in a good way which was that i no longer have any fear

00:12:08.140 I, like, you know, sitting down with you is, to me, all an opportunity for you to see me as a human being and not, you know, Hunter Biden laptop.

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00:12:34.280 And the pictures that, you know, Congressman Green, like, put up in Congress, or the New York Post, you know, I think I was on the cover of the New York Post in one year, more than any, anybody in the history of the paper.

00:12:54.500 And none of it was good.

00:12:56.700 None of it was good.

00:12:58.620 And, but what it's given me is the opportunity to own it all.

00:13:04.280 is to own all of my story without shame or fear,

00:13:09.580 realizing that I have a community of people out there

00:13:16.040 that I want to be of service to.

00:13:20.740 I really mean that.

00:13:21.560 And so part of it is, by me being able to be honest about it,

00:13:28.100 and we were just talking before we started this,

00:13:29.920 the hardest thing for any addict to do

00:13:33.060 is not only get honest with the people

00:13:35.160 that they love, but to get honest with

00:13:37.020 themselves. And until they can,

00:13:39.420 until they can really see themselves

00:13:40.980 for who they are, all

00:13:43.000 of it, and decide

00:13:45.060 to love themselves, then

00:13:47.000 you know,

00:13:48.800 the cycle is just going to

00:13:51.000 continue. At least in my experience,

00:13:53.340 that's the truth.

00:13:55.100 Did I even answer your

00:13:57.100 question? Yeah, I want to talk about the first

00:13:59.040 time that you got introduced to it because that's interesting oh i know i went into all the good

00:14:02.500 actually do start with that like how did you actually get introduced first off describe for

00:14:07.680 people who don't know uh the difference between cocaine and crack because crack is is a lot more

00:14:13.000 addictive yeah and so just what is the difference i know i got a lot of heat for no it was fantastic

00:14:17.500 it was fantastic i was like he's actually very educated on this and well it was important to me

00:14:22.940 to make the distinction that there's this idea that there's this kind of a secret kind

00:14:30.300 of special enhancement to powder cocaine that makes it into crack, and, you know, you have

00:14:37.720 to have, you know, some technical degree in order to be able to do that, and let's start

00:14:46.060 all the way at the beginning.

00:14:47.520 I think that I'm genetically predisposed to being an alcoholic.

00:14:50.640 I do believe that there is a genetic piece of it.

00:14:53.400 I do believe that my brain works differently as an addict

00:14:56.120 in terms of the way in which my synapses fire

00:14:59.980 once they're introduced to the dopamine hit

00:15:02.640 and the serotonin increase that occurs

00:15:05.180 because of an introduction of a substance.

00:15:08.640 I believe that I became acclimated

00:15:13.500 and physiologically depended upon that

00:15:16.960 when I started to drink in earnest.

00:15:20.640 when I was in college, in which you can control, and I made it through Georgetown, and I went

00:15:26.800 to Jesuit Volunteer Corps for a year, and it's kind of like domestic peace, well, you

00:15:31.920 know the JBC, I was JBC for a year after college, and then I went to Yale Law School, you know,

00:15:40.600 was married, had my oldest daughter when I was a first-year law student, made it through

00:15:48.440 all of that and made it through my, um, first years of employment, drinking probably more

00:15:55.000 than everybody, uh, than, than most people do, but completely functional.

00:16:00.900 And one day I woke up when I was 33 years old to my brother calling me and say, this

00:16:05.340 has got to stop, but you got to stop.

00:16:08.220 And, um, and, and what he meant was, is that, you know, like a whole weekend was missing

00:16:15.720 kind of

00:16:16.620 and

00:16:17.420 and I

00:16:19.720 and I said okay

00:16:20.700 and

00:16:21.900 he drove me to the airport

00:16:23.680 and

00:16:24.960 he put me on a plane

00:16:27.180 in New York

00:16:27.980 and I flew to

00:16:28.940 a place that

00:16:29.780 was started by Eric Clapton

00:16:31.020 called

00:16:31.540 Crossroads

00:16:34.820 in Antigua

00:16:35.820 and I went to rehab

00:16:37.940 and I came out

00:16:38.720 and I

00:16:39.400 went

00:16:39.800 directly when I came out

00:16:41.600 my brother picked me up

00:16:42.420 from the airport

00:16:43.000 drove me to

00:16:44.940 an AA meeting, walked in with me, DuPont Circle in, in, uh, DC. I met my sponsor at that first

00:16:52.980 meeting that I ever went to. And, and I stayed clean and sober for, um, for about seven years.

00:17:00.460 And, uh, and then I relapsed. And, uh, and it was just such a mundane, stupid story. I was on a plane 1.00

00:17:09.060 by myself everything was okay things were looking up it was you know uh you know normal life

00:17:16.240 pressures but it was all good and that's the um that's the real insidious thing about addiction

00:17:24.680 and alcoholism it it never goes away necessarily there's always the answer that is being presented

00:17:30.760 to you by the thing that you trust the most which is your brain and what it says is if you don't

00:17:36.680 want to feel this way whatever the way is or if you want to feel this way even more i have the

00:17:42.980 answer for you and i was on a plane by myself and i had a drink and that drink in 2010 seven years

00:17:52.460 almost of sobriety started a cycle of uh relapse and recovery and relapse and recovery in which

00:18:02.640 it was really hard for me to be honest with the people that love me because i just wanted to hide

00:18:08.280 it i just wanted it to go away and i thought okay i'll get through this cycle and you know i'll

00:18:13.440 sleep it off uh this weekend and that's it i'm done and that would last a week and then it would

00:18:18.960 last three months and then i went back to rehab and then it became kind of then i came back and

00:18:24.100 i started i mean talk about you talk about this all the time which i love that you do it was big

00:18:29.080 pharma you know what i mean i had shingles and so somebody prescribed me like 52 oxy coat like i

00:18:33.960 mean ridiculous and i started that and and then i started drinking again and the prescription ran

00:18:39.620 out and then this cycle just started to happen and um but when my brother died uh it all fell

00:18:47.960 Park. Bo and I, uh, were, uh, and like, I don't purport that our relationship was unique

00:19:00.300 or that his loss was greater than my, my loss of him was greater than anybody else's loss

00:19:06.720 of their brother or someone that they deeply, deeply loved. But when my mom and sister and

00:19:12.020 my Bo and I were in that car accident in 1972. Um,

00:19:17.040 and we survived. It was the two of us every day for a year and a day apart.

00:19:22.540 We talked every day. I mean, except when he was in Iraq,

00:19:25.720 I literally probably talked to my brother every day. And, um,

00:19:30.580 and, uh, and when I, when Bo died,

00:19:35.380 my marriage fell apart, uh, after 20 years,

00:19:40.460 22 years um yeah by the way for reasons that uh marriages fall apart you know and but i take a

00:19:49.140 lot of responsibility for and uh and it just started a really really dark circle cycle in

00:19:57.200 the past when i would uh when i would have these relapses there's there's always someone in such

00:20:03.420 proximity to me that they would like you know i couldn't escape i couldn't escape in this instance

00:20:10.320 bo was gone i uh right after bo uh died um i uh um ended up uh um separated from my wife like

00:20:23.400 within the month and my dad for the first time in my life who was my rock uh was stuck in his own

00:20:32.100 grief like deep deep grief and and i just went down into a hole and i checked myself into a

00:20:42.360 rehab that year and came out and stayed sober for a while and then relapsed and then went into a um

00:20:49.220 an outpatient program in dc where i went like you know four hours every day for you know from eight

00:20:54.580 to two or six hours every day, stay sober.

00:20:59.540 And then I relapsed.

00:21:01.120 And I came back and they said, well, you have to,

00:21:04.960 I admitted to them that I relapsed

00:21:06.580 and that in this instance, I also used cocaine.

00:21:09.680 And they said, well, you have to take a drug test.

00:21:14.080 And I said, I'm not going to take a drug test.

00:21:16.400 I'm not going to put something on, you know,

00:21:18.980 it's because it's not protected by HIPAA in a rehab scenario.

00:21:24.580 which is crazy, right?

00:21:26.360 Yeah.

00:21:27.440 Anyway, long story short,

00:21:29.600 they said, you can't come back in

00:21:31.400 unless you take the drug test.

00:21:33.240 And I said, I'm not taking the drug test.

00:21:35.000 I'm going through a divorce.

00:21:36.280 It's not protected by HIPAA.

00:21:37.700 It will become public.

00:21:38.980 I don't want to do this to my family.

00:21:41.660 I'm telling you, I use cocaine and I drank.

00:21:44.720 Is that not good enough?

00:21:46.100 Come back.

00:21:46.960 And they said, no, for whatever reason,

00:21:48.420 and I'm not blaming them.

00:21:49.340 This is not their fault. 0.85

00:21:50.320 i walked out and i knew lincoln park was a kind of open-air drug market i saw a woman that was

00:22:00.840 kind of famous in the area since i had been in college literally for 20 years that i would see

00:22:06.500 in the streets around you know dc in that area where i worked for a long time and i said i went

00:22:12.440 up to her and i said can i get some crack wow and i think it was basically i said can you help me

00:22:18.260 commit suicide i mean i i don't think i know that that now and in uh looking back it was the coward's

00:22:26.680 way and i really mean that i was a coward that i didn't go and just do it i said let me do it this

00:22:34.660 way and really really really drag everybody down with me along the way let me figure out the way 0.99

00:22:40.740 not only to kill myself, but to maybe kill my dad, 0.99

00:22:44.920 you know, really hurt my family, 1.00

00:22:50.200 particularly my three daughters,

00:22:52.980 who, like, adore me and I adore,

00:22:55.280 like, just the fact.

00:22:57.880 And I smoke crack.

00:22:59.980 And the difference between crack cocaine

00:23:02.420 and powder cocaine is this.

00:23:05.240 And I really, truly do not want to give a roadmap

00:23:07.800 for people to be able to do this 0.95

00:23:11.660 because I swear to God, it'll kill you.

00:23:13.660 But it's sodium bicarbonate,

00:23:15.700 which is baking soda, water, heat.

00:23:19.320 That's it.

00:23:20.460 That's all.

00:23:21.580 That is the entire difference of it,

00:23:23.600 which allows it to be ingested through smoking.

00:23:27.740 And the combination of those things

00:23:29.440 makes it so that it affects your physiology

00:23:32.480 much faster than it would be

00:23:35.060 if you just use powder cocaine through your nose

00:23:37.020 or in any other form other than intravenously.

00:23:40.540 And it also allows you to ingest more faster

00:23:45.840 than you could possibly ever ingest

00:23:47.700 by sniffing cocaine up your nose.

00:23:50.880 The combination of that,

00:23:52.080 the combination of combustion, ritual,

00:23:55.800 and the ritual meaning the way in which you have to,

00:23:58.600 you know, I mean, I can still feel my hands doing it,

00:24:03.640 is, you know, becomes this ritualistic thing

00:24:06.700 with the combination of combustion, which is, uh, and you learn, you, I mean, if you

00:24:12.640 really study things about addiction is these kinds of key components of, um, oral fixation

00:24:18.680 and things like that, it just becomes the most ungodly addiction that you can possibly

00:24:24.040 imagine to the point where I was smoking crack, you know, I mean, literally, you know, I was

00:24:29.680 either looking for or smoking or recovering, not even recovering, you don't recover, you

00:24:34.920 just go find more for close to a two-year period of time.

00:24:39.400 Wow.

00:24:39.920 And it took me to places, you know, I wrote all about it.

00:24:44.660 And I got made fun of about it.

00:24:47.240 And, you know, people think that, you know, when I wrote my book,

00:24:50.380 like, you know, clawing through the carpet to find crack cocaine

00:24:55.640 and, you know, Parmesan cheese and, you know.

00:24:58.440 And I know it's a real laugh line,

00:24:59.520 but anybody that's ever been an addict like that,

00:25:01.980 they don't laugh about it.

00:25:03.920 It's devastating.

00:25:04.920 think that you were that person you can see yourself doing it just devastating and so what

00:25:13.440 happens in addiction so often is this is people not only they can't admit that they can't even

00:25:22.460 admit it to themselves just block it out they go they get 30 days clean they come out they go back

00:25:27.960 into the same exact situation that they were in before and they think i'm just not going to do it

00:25:32.880 again i i'm just gonna stay you know like i i'm gonna make it i'm gonna make it and what will

00:25:38.620 come up is that that wake up in the morning and they'll remember that time in the motel with the

00:25:46.480 you know the person the prostitute that brought you the drugs and um that stole just stole your

00:25:52.320 wallet and all your and and every and all your drugs and everything and you had to you were you 0.94

00:25:57.780 were calling through carpet to see if there was anything there and you smoke whatever white that

00:26:03.040 you found on the ground like it's the shame it's thinking of yourself like that regardless of who

00:26:10.680 you are regardless of where you came from whether your dad's the president of the united states

00:26:14.180 or it doesn't matter and they don't admit that to themselves they don't admit it to anyone around

00:26:21.940 them don't ever say it and you know what happens you never lose it and it sits like right here

00:26:28.760 like the back of your head and it pops up and you just feel so disgusted with yourself that

00:26:35.700 your brain immediately tells you regardless of how far away for you are from a drink or drug

00:26:41.000 like i know the way not to feel this way i know exactly how to feel this way you're gonna die if

00:26:45.780 you keep feeling this way you need you need to take a drink and that's always how it starts i

00:26:51.040 I mean, alcohol is the most dangerous drug in the world

00:26:55.080 just by virtue of the amount of destruction

00:26:59.240 and devastation that comes personally

00:27:05.280 and to the people around people that are alcoholics.

00:27:09.120 And I don't find any difference

00:27:10.640 between being an addict and an alcoholic.

00:27:14.540 But that's where it starts.

00:27:16.760 And that's where it started for me.

00:27:18.760 That was my story.

00:27:20.180 until I met Melissa and Beckley and Silver.

00:27:22.580 And I've been, so, you know, almost seven years now.

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00:29:16.920 When you're in that moment,

00:29:18.780 and I guess people don't realize

00:29:20.420 like you're going through this

00:29:21.680 and you don't get to decide

00:29:23.560 what your father does for a living.

00:29:25.000 And I think that's probably why

00:29:25.780 people separate it as well too.

00:29:27.120 Because like I said,

00:29:27.740 there's this idea

00:29:28.620 of what a politician's family

00:29:30.580 is supposed to be.

00:29:32.720 And you obviously are,

00:29:35.420 because I genuinely understand

00:29:37.280 what those sorts of addictions do.

00:29:39.100 I don't think people realize

00:29:40.340 you're just not even yourself.

00:29:43.280 like you're like it's like a demon as the best way to say it and i'm maybe i'm taking a catholic

00:29:48.560 take on this but like it's like a full demonic possession um when you're in the throes of these

00:29:53.080 drugs and i mean this was actually a great benefit of a and e doing intervention because people could

00:29:58.900 really see these moments where people will choose the drug over their family they will choose the

00:30:04.120 drug over their kids they will you know they'll choose the drug over literally anything and for

00:30:08.620 people who and i would i actually tend to agree with you that i i've wondered myself if there's

00:30:12.640 something genetic because i'm not wired that way or maybe i just haven't found the drug that would

00:30:17.680 do that to me but like i would say that like i've just never been um never had something and was

00:30:22.620 like i just need to have that again or want it again and i've seen friends that they have something

00:30:27.120 once and they're like want to do this every second and i go that's very interesting like it's almost

00:30:30.960 like you're you're made of something different i'm certain of that and the science is certain

00:30:36.400 of that and anyways i mean we all can uh i think that we all can um

00:30:42.820 associate with um understand addiction at um more or less devastating um levels so for instance

00:30:55.820 where's your phone i mean you have a you you basically have a packet of heroin right we all

00:31:01.300 do in our pocket yeah constantly giving us that dopamine which by the way we can get to talking

00:31:05.680 about that because i think that that that we are not nearly as divided of people as we think that

00:31:10.860 we are i think that that bag of heroin in everybody's pocket um is feeding them a lot of

00:31:17.240 that division but is so we can all kind of understand the compulsion to do things that

00:31:25.340 aren't um that clearly aren't benefiting us like staying up uh until three o'clock in the morning

00:31:31.880 and going through your for you page on tiktok um every mother father can watch their teenager

00:31:42.520 um do that and go god this is awful and i'm going to take his phone away and then they turn back to

00:31:48.760 their phone and they they start going through their phone like and i and i'm you know i i am

00:31:55.480 not any uh uh better i so we can kind of all understand that compulsion it's when the

00:32:02.040 compulsion becomes just so uh uh the the the blast radius continues to grow so the difference

00:32:13.760 between being a um uh you know addicted to your phone um and being addicted to crack cocaine i'm

00:32:21.760 not saying are the same but at least we can kind of get a little bit of an understanding

00:32:26.580 of the physiology of that of the way in which the brain actually works um but it's like the micro

00:32:34.360 versus the macro yeah yeah and everybody has the micro but so you can you can see the the the micro

00:32:39.680 impact of it um and but i think that one of the reasons that why people are um so like shocked by

00:32:50.380 my story and by the way and we're able to conflate so if the new york post every day for six years

00:32:59.400 uh runs a a picture on uh you know on online i mean i think they literally at one point did

00:33:08.460 like uh 1.5 stories of me a day for an entire 18 month period okay and um in each it didn't

00:33:18.460 matter what the subject was it was a picture of me naked with the prostitute with whatever and 0.66

00:33:25.120 with a with crack with a crack pipe in my lips but what like i so i don't get mad at people when 0.97

00:33:31.600 they go like was that your cocaine like well number one you know the white house it's like

00:33:36.320 it just doesn't make any sense i had seven secret church agents with me at any given time everywhere

00:33:41.260 i went the idea that i was in the situation room and would decide to drop off i mean that but

00:33:47.320 But beyond that silliness is I don't blame people for not realizing

00:33:54.540 that I have to work my eppin' ass off.

00:33:59.640 I mean, in this environment, the proudest thing that I've ever done

00:34:04.240 is stay clean and sober through all of that.

00:34:09.420 Every piece of it, both the trials, through the accusations,

00:34:13.040 accusations through the, you know, Alexander Smirnoffs and Galafs and, you know, Constantine

00:34:20.660 Kulik's and Leib Parnas's and Rudy's and Steve Bannon's and all of that, is that purely

00:34:30.820 because of the love of the people around me and my willingness to own it all, I'm sitting

00:34:39.180 in front of you.

00:34:40.120 Yeah.

00:34:40.340 and and you're not taking that away from me right no and by the way that's the beauty of it yeah

00:34:46.640 the realization at one point is that you can try i have no fear no fear and um that doesn't

00:34:55.920 and that's why i'm here more than anything is because i like i don't i i probably you know

00:35:04.780 i'm certain that we disagree on a lot of stuff but there used to be a time candace

00:35:09.580 where you and I could sit down together

00:35:11.660 and disagree about tax policy

00:35:14.300 and disagree about the Catholic Church's view on abortion

00:35:21.180 or disagree with, I mean, whatever the subject may be

00:35:25.300 and still be able to go have a meal together.

00:35:28.400 Right. I talk about that often on my show.

00:35:30.720 Back when I was left-leaning in college,

00:35:33.320 my best friend was Republican conservative.

00:35:35.500 It wasn't so at each other's throats and hating each other.

00:35:39.580 And wanting to destroy one another and, you know, you can kind of see the good and the bad and go, well, I'm, you know, this is why I have this perspective and perspectives could change.

00:35:47.700 And that was allowed to, you know, I think about what it was that just revisiting what made a lot of people, including myself, so angry about you.

00:35:57.420 Or I guess it wasn't really about you.

00:35:58.880 It was the gaslighting.

00:36:00.400 It was the letter that came from people saying it was Russian propaganda.

00:36:04.180 That is what is driving us crazy about the Epstein files right now.

00:36:07.280 It's what's actually leading, ironically, to the collapse of the MAGA support, is we don't want to be gaslit.

00:36:13.260 And to be fair, it wasn't you.

00:36:15.160 That's why it was so refreshing when you were like, yes, I had a crack edition.

00:36:17.660 This is me.

00:36:18.280 I did this. 1.00

00:36:18.760 I was with hookers. 0.99

00:36:19.480 But you weren't speaking for you. 0.98

00:36:21.120 And there were literally a bunch of people that were coming out and saying, this is not real.

00:36:26.280 And that is the most infuriating thing because everyone's average.

00:36:31.600 Everyone can connect with addiction.

00:36:32.940 Everyone can have this conversation.

00:36:34.120 actually if you would come out and and i probably in that environment obviously it maybe that would

00:36:38.680 there would have been different result because we were at each other's throats no exactly but that

00:36:42.300 is what made people so angry it was like nope he never smoked cracked it wasn't real the laptop

00:36:47.900 is russian propaganda we're like guys what is this yeah by the way is that here's the problem

00:36:53.780 is that steve bannon saved and rudy giuliani saved the quote-unquote laptop which by the

00:37:04.100 is bullshit that like if we can agree on that gaslighting i will agree on the gaslighting of

00:37:09.880 this is that is that it was never a quote-unquote laptop there was a hard drive okay of stolen and 0.98

00:37:19.260 um uh hacked material wherever it came from whether it came from a Delaware repair shop

00:37:24.400 or whether it came like Lev Parna says from Dimitri Firtash who was trying to sell a hard

00:37:29.420 drive under biden's in um in ukraine you know that they were looking for before the laptop

00:37:35.900 repair shop guy was ever the twinkle in the eye just go back and look at the record okay so here's

00:37:41.000 the thing is you're absolutely right and the the and this is like the the freedom of being able to

00:37:48.340 say this it's like yeah they should have let me go out and talk yeah but it was two weeks before

00:37:53.200 the campaign and then and and then the the election was over steve vannon it goes on uh and

00:37:59.500 with his buddy gao um you know the chinese billionaire that's now in prison and you know

00:38:05.860 that that is like a chinese spy or whatever you know where he got arrested on his boat and all

00:38:10.220 that crap is it i mean there is a go listen to it go listen to the recorded conversation in which

00:38:18.580 they say like the laptop like we got them we like you know so we put all we collected all the 0.99

00:38:26.020 salacious pictures and we put them out there and then rudy went out and stood on the steps of the

00:38:30.800 newcastle county courthouse with bernie carrick and said this contains child child exploitation 0.98

00:38:36.220 like pure um uh you know i mean pure bullshit just bullshit so on both sides you have this reaction 0.98

00:38:45.300 you know which i don't think was necessarily a coordinated reaction in in the sense that 0.99

00:38:50.480 what do you do in two weeks and so they come up with this and they say and i don't get to go out

00:38:55.080 and say uh you know no i was but you know what i did is it come april i write a book and i tell

00:39:04.600 everybody i was addicted to crack and here's my story and here's what happened and here is the

00:39:11.980 all of the rooms that no one would ever want to admit to being in that i was in and uh and

00:39:19.680 and it was like a blip on the radar because everybody was now fighting about whether there

00:39:25.280 was kind of a suppressed story on twitter and whether there was a um this gaslighting from

00:39:30.100 you know and by the way i am not here to defend any but then it's part of like the political

00:39:36.280 machine where they're like we have two weeks to go to the election we're going to do this denial

00:39:39.460 you know because we can't afford this right now essentially and so and then we're going to table

00:39:43.620 this make it past these two weeks yeah and then by that time first and foremost your father won

00:39:48.760 yeah right so uh you know and so people are angry they feel like the election's been stolen

00:39:54.260 and that there was this entire collusion to cover a laptop which if it was on the other side they

00:39:59.380 may have done too this is what dc is it's politics but that that is where i think the anger came from

00:40:04.320 and it was just like i get it how dare you gaslight us and then people then start making

00:40:08.240 you this focal point of...

00:40:09.680 And it never had anything to do with me.

00:40:11.140 Right.

00:40:11.460 It was kind of bigger than you at that point.

00:40:13.080 You know what the laptop proved? 0.99

00:40:14.700 That you were a crackhead. 0.99

00:40:16.880 There you go. 0.66

00:40:17.700 That you were deep in the throes of crack addiction. 0.98

00:40:19.720 All this other bullshit, you know, bribery and all these other things that they investigated 0.97

00:40:24.740 up and down during the Trump administration with a Trump-appointed U.S. attorney, with 0.98

00:40:30.180 the Trump-appointed U.S. attorney, the only U.S. attorney in the country to stay on and

00:40:34.920 continue to prosecute me who then became special counsel after i got a plea deal because i paid my

00:40:40.540 taxes late and i paid them with penalties and interest and i owned a gun for 11 days

00:40:45.360 while they say i was addicted and check that box that's it everybody has all the information it's

00:40:54.460 not like the department of justice has the digit my digital footprint in every text message every

00:40:58.920 email and there's not a single one in which you find that that that would in any way supports

00:41:06.640 the really serious accusations of uh enriching my father enriching himself somehow or none of it

00:41:15.400 none of it's there so i own whatever you want to call it i own the laptop come you know what we

00:41:22.880 can go through it together if you're willing to like avert your eyes to the to the tragedy

00:41:30.280 of addiction i mean just the absolute tragedy of it yeah but man oh man we have not there is

00:41:38.380 no space for that in discourse anymore there's no space for the nuance of uh you know well that

00:41:44.980 was addiction that wasn't corruption you know I did not do any business through entire four years

00:41:54.500 I became a painter you know why I became a painter because it literally saved my life I painted my

00:42:01.020 whole life and Melissa instinctively knew that I literally needed to like occupy my hands in early

00:42:10.360 recovery like 12 hours a day. Like just, you know, like to be able to focus on the, not the

00:42:15.940 crushing weight of the consequences of years of addiction. And so I just sat and I painted and I

00:42:22.380 painted and I painted. And I decided to have a show in the gallery and, you know, and offer my

00:42:28.700 paintings for sale. And New York Post comes out and says, Hunter Biden's selling his paintings

00:42:32.820 for half a million dollars. I've never sold a painting nor offered a painting for a half a

00:42:37.460 million in my frigging life. And by the way, everybody knows this because every painting 0.72

00:42:42.720 that I sold, everybody that bought a painting had to pay about a quarter million dollars

00:42:45.800 to defend themselves before an impeachment hearing. Go read the transcripts of people

00:42:50.860 under oath. But regardless, is this, is the laptop absolutely proved nothing, but it became

00:42:58.960 this cultural touchstone.

00:43:01.820 It was like it embodied the Biden crime family.

00:43:07.640 And if you wanted to be able to believe that,

00:43:11.760 not wanted to be able to believe that,

00:43:13.620 if you believe that because you're being told that

00:43:15.640 by people that you trust that have told you

00:43:18.840 that your election was stolen,

00:43:20.180 that your democracy was thwarted,

00:43:23.140 that the process was unfair,

00:43:26.540 is that all you had to do

00:43:28.400 and I get this

00:43:29.960 is look at the pictures

00:43:31.440 it doesn't look like

00:43:33.200 a good guy to me

00:43:34.040 right

00:43:34.340 because you weren't

00:43:35.360 a good guy in the pictures

00:43:36.280 no

00:43:36.940 smoking crack in a motel room 0.99

00:43:38.740 with a prostitute 1.00

00:43:39.340 right 1.00

00:43:39.560 like you know what I mean

00:43:40.900 like they come out

00:43:42.000 and like they're saying

00:43:42.640 oh like this

00:43:43.220 like I admit it all

00:43:44.900 not only admit it all

00:43:45.960 I own it all

00:43:47.180 I will

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00:44:20.160 and then being like i mean now in retrospect and things have changed i mean times have changed i

00:44:27.760 like i said i was one of the chief people that was really angry about it and it did that was the

00:44:32.340 exact reason why when i re-examined it was the gaslighting it's the same reason why i'm angry

00:44:35.800 with trump over the epstein thing it's like i can't come back from media gaslighting the trump

00:44:40.500 thing is worse because it came from his own mouth the gaslighting so it wasn't like people trying

00:44:44.840 to cover it up it was like trump being like what epstein files are we still talking about the epstein

00:44:49.040 files and so uh but then things kind of change i think with time also because i was very just

00:44:56.820 They definitely said I was close with Don Jr., traveled a lot with him through the Hunter Biden laptop scandal.

00:45:03.520 We talked about it, this corruption, da-da-da, can't believe they denied it, all these photos coming out.

00:45:07.580 And then we get whatever this, you know, Trump family is now.

00:45:13.180 And it's like, man, I think it was a historian that wrote on X exactly how I feel, which is I wish I could go back to the days where I thought, like, Hunter Biden's art was the most corrupt deal that was done in politics.

00:45:23.660 And now we're going, OK, you know, we stood behind Trump. We fought. We shared the photos of Hunter Biden to the extent that we could. And now we have their family engaged in so many corrupt deals, the meme coins, the taking advantage of people.

00:45:37.340 and you go okay well what we actually have is dc is corrupt politics is corrupt and i i think it is

00:45:43.780 kind of a unifying point not to excuse you know the gaslighting of people for two weeks which

00:45:48.640 made people super angry um but i i do think it's just a different time where people are kind of

00:45:52.940 going back and examining i and i feel actually terrible realizing that you were finally clean

00:45:58.840 and then it's just this humiliation ritual over and over and over again of people putting everything

00:46:03.660 out there and not realizing also your kids are facing this consequence as well um which people

00:46:08.300 do not think about a lot of times when they publish stories like i even was reticent and

00:46:12.940 didn't cover the christy gnome thing because the first thing that came to my mind um do they have

00:46:16.800 kids those are kids like i'm like these are kids that are about to go to college like and so

00:46:20.560 and why are they doing this because she's in politics right and so this becomes they don't

00:46:25.480 think about the children and yeah i mean i think i now now that i have kids too i think there's

00:46:31.460 just like wow they don't sign up for what i do for podcasting kids don't like sign up for that

00:46:36.660 kind of stuff yeah you know number one though kids are way more resilient than than you think

00:46:42.180 so much tougher and uh and i know um

00:46:47.460 the the my girls have like got there and and i and they love me and deeply and i can 100 percent

00:46:59.540 accept that love now and return it with everything that i have to offer but you're

00:47:06.160 you know part of what you're describing is politics in memoriam you know part of it but

00:47:14.640 something's changed and there is a meanness um a willingness to adopt uh very very un-american

00:47:26.880 tactics

00:47:28.360 against our opponents

00:47:31.980 because it

00:47:32.500 become a zero-sum game

00:47:34.220 it's

00:47:35.740 not just that

00:47:36.700 I disagree with you

00:47:37.980 it's

00:47:39.240 you need to be punished

00:47:41.260 you need to be punished

00:47:43.620 for what you believe

00:47:44.280 you know there's this

00:47:44.920 incredible

00:47:45.540 show

00:47:46.640 I really want to meet them

00:47:48.240 one day

00:47:48.700 you've probably

00:47:49.540 I don't know if you

00:47:50.080 listen to it's

00:47:50.900 called The Necessary Conversation

00:47:53.240 have you listened to that

00:47:54.080 incredible

00:47:55.280 it's a

00:47:56.480 brother and sister who are progressives one lives in LA and like one lives in Austin

00:48:02.520 or something like that and she runs a bakery this sister and a mom and dad and they are

00:48:09.780 ultra MAGA and I think they were like in you know Missouri somewhere okay and I mean like

00:48:17.860 don't take their caps off Trump literally can do no wrong he's playing 4d chess on the Epstein thing

00:48:25.180 the you know i know he said no warren rand but you know uh he must have a reason for it and you

00:48:34.100 can't convince like literally that but they have this conversation and they have real issues with 0.99

00:48:41.300 each other like the daughter gets really mad at dad like dad you were a jerk to us when we were 0.97

00:48:46.020 kids you made me but then she has this conversation with her mom who loves animals and like taught her 0.98

00:48:51.540 about empathy and they would adopt all you know these animals and they would uh and you find out

00:48:59.320 like her dad taught you know or coached all of their little league games and she was a softball

00:49:03.880 player and if a kid couldn't like afford the uniform dad would quietly go out and buy the

00:49:10.000 uniform and he's awful on this thing by the way like he's like he's and like in terms of the way 0.97

00:49:14.940 that he speaks and he speaks to them and he's like tough and i don't get i don't give a shit 0.99

00:49:18.360 and, you know, drop a bomb on them kind of, you know, thing. 0.99

00:49:22.140 But it's so informative is that before, that's a normal family. 0.55

00:49:29.780 That's a thing.

00:49:31.760 Before you and I could meet at a restaurant in Georgetown

00:49:38.020 and your husband and my wife and we could have dinner together

00:49:42.300 and like with Tucker, I knew Tucker, you know what I mean?

00:49:46.720 and like you could have dinner together

00:49:50.240 and think that what Tucker was saying was crazy

00:49:53.080 and I don't agree with,

00:49:54.640 and I don't agree with, you know,

00:49:56.220 half the stuff.

00:49:57.480 But you know what it didn't mean?

00:49:59.420 It didn't mean that I thought

00:50:01.160 that he should be tried for treason and executed.

00:50:04.140 And that's what happened to me. 0.90

00:50:05.860 And I mean that not figuratively.

00:50:07.760 I mean it literally.

00:50:08.920 That's what people were saying.

00:50:10.900 And that's what people of real importance were saying.

00:50:14.080 Those were the words that were coming out

00:50:15.540 The mouse, and I'm paraphrasing, of people like Steve Bannon

00:50:21.820 and people like Rudy Giuliani, people of authority.

00:50:26.600 And it changes everything.

00:50:28.780 It's how can you even have a discussion, for instance,

00:50:32.260 how could I go out and talk about, how could I respond,

00:50:36.880 was that cocaine mine?

00:50:38.700 Like, what do you want?

00:50:39.340 You want me to take a drug test?

00:50:40.300 Because I'm taking a drug test almost weekly for the Department of Corrections

00:50:45.220 and probation, you know, I have a probation officer, you know, I'm on release until trial,

00:50:52.440 you know, but what do you do? Is that the statement that you make to the New York Post?

00:50:57.220 It's impossible. It becomes impossible. But what do you do? You realize this,

00:51:03.500 and I don't know if you feel this way in your own life, is that, you know what the real problem is?

00:51:09.200 it's not out there

00:51:11.180 it's not that person

00:51:13.400 if I could just get Steve Bannon to tell the truth

00:51:15.900 if I could just get Rudy Giuliani to stop

00:51:18.040 lying about me, if I could just get Constantine

00:51:20.000 Kulak to say that he wrote the written

00:51:21.740 if I, like, it's not there

00:51:23.760 you realize, in order to survive

00:51:26.020 it's all inside

00:51:27.200 every single

00:51:29.980 piece of it is about

00:51:31.620 figuring out how to love yourself

00:51:33.380 not living that shame

00:51:35.160 and in order for you to be

00:51:37.960 able to be of service first, you know, and Melissa, like return the beautiful thing that

00:51:48.920 she gave me, which was a chance that to be of service to my dad, the return, the unconditional

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00:52:01.600 knowing that no matter what, even through the consequences and being held accountable, that

00:52:07.580 that person still loves me.

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00:54:12.780 I think that was also what came across in your interview with Andrew Callahan,

00:54:16.780 where after I watched it, I think it sort of edited my opinion about that relationship between your dad

00:54:22.480 because I think since the laptop scandal, in my mind, it was, I guess, a bit cartoonish

00:54:27.680 where it was like, well, you can do whatever you want.

00:54:29.380 Go ahead, smoke crack.

00:54:30.120 We know we're just powerful.

00:54:31.120 We'll cover it.

00:54:31.620 you know we'll do like that's the cop like whatever we've had so much power we've acquired

00:54:35.060 so much power and then when I sort of saw you really defending your dad over this George Clooney

00:54:39.700 thing I was like okay this is just a normal father-son relationship like people can't apply

00:54:44.880 that for some reason when you're talking about a president uh or or somebody that has access to

00:54:49.000 power but he just loves his dad and this is the way any normal person would defend their dad if

00:54:54.020 they said something about your father if they said something about your son like this is so

00:54:58.420 normal that i think that's what was a bit of like um resting for me i was like this is very normal

00:55:04.560 dynamic he doesn't care if jake tapper's on his side he doesn't care if jake cluny is on his side

00:55:08.760 that's his dad that you're talking about and he's having a natural reaction that i would have

00:55:13.020 if someone was talking about my dad my grandparents my sister um my cousin even though even when they

00:55:18.200 do something wrong by the way like it's like okay no but like that's my family member who did

00:55:21.140 something wrong kids and and so you have no right and i will i will breathe fire on someone and

00:55:26.060 that's kind of and you're right and now it's getting dirtier the games people are playing

00:55:30.320 are dirtier and it is about wanting you to feel unsafe and i think that is something that is so

00:55:35.700 new when you have people posting your address posting where you are knowing that you have

00:55:40.760 children and yeah i really do and it is over perspective like for me it was me changing my

00:55:46.940 mind on israel and suddenly i'm getting the new york post treatment and i'm getting all these

00:55:52.440 people coming after me and i'm going this is my perspective you're welcome to try to debate me on

00:55:56.940 why i feel the way i feel about which is because i have two eyes about what's happening in gaza

00:56:01.060 but to do these tactics where you're trying to destroy people uh is that feels very very new

00:56:07.560 to me yeah that that let's be not let's be honest i hate that phrase okay i gotta from my perspective

00:56:15.000 It was this.

00:56:15.500 I know where that started.

00:56:16.880 And that started when Donald Trump, from rally stages, started the Where's Hunter?

00:56:25.740 Started to yell, Where's Hunter?

00:56:27.260 Call and response crowds.

00:56:29.700 And then they printed t-shirts.

00:56:31.060 And then they made hats.

00:56:32.300 And then they made mugs of Where's Hunter?

00:56:35.860 And then they showed up at my door.

00:56:37.580 I didn't have any security.

00:56:38.580 I didn't have anybody.

00:56:39.220 I can't afford that in my life, particularly at that time.

00:56:43.080 And they literally showed up on my door with bullhorns and mega hats and on the direct and the way that they got there is New York Post published on the front page on its cover an aerial view of my home with the address.

00:57:01.880 And then in the thing said, and you could, if you stand here at this, you know, on this part of the street, you can see in their four ceiling windows and, you know, and so they, they showed up.

00:57:12.080 Wow

00:57:13.160 And Melissa was

00:57:15.100 What 0.99

00:57:15.780 Six months pregnant at the time 1.00

00:57:17.340 You know 1.00

00:57:18.120 She got in the car

00:57:19.320 Because she was alone at the time

00:57:20.960 And

00:57:21.520 Sped off

00:57:23.640 And they followed her 1.00

00:57:24.840 And they ran her off the road

00:57:26.100 You know

00:57:26.940 She panicked

00:57:27.920 And then

00:57:28.900 You know

00:57:29.380 She got 0.99

00:57:29.780 And did it again

00:57:30.960 And they surrounded her

00:57:32.160 And

00:57:32.440 That's new man

00:57:35.180 That is new

00:57:36.020 And

00:57:36.840 And

00:57:37.320 Like

00:57:37.920 Similar to you

00:57:38.680 Is it

00:57:39.500 Like

00:57:39.940 Before I sat down

00:57:41.800 i heard where you live what your the level of security that you have or didn't have and you

00:57:48.840 know what your perimeter of your property is like how the hell do i know that and how is that even

00:57:54.700 remotely safe how because you have people who now you're um you basically spoke your truth and they

00:58:03.500 decided that you cannot exist and so therefore i don't know if it's going to happen but for some

00:58:08.600 reason i think it's appropriate for me to say uh tell you what what candace's address is who lives

00:58:14.940 there and the level of security she has that was one of the most it was so obvious what he was

00:58:19.580 doing my dad said to me is i have to stop saying the f word but it was like seriously that to me

00:58:26.960 was like it's it's a declaration of war like they know i homeschool my kids they know and he's

00:58:31.420 describing the security apparatus and he's doing it in this rant trying to be impassioned about the

00:58:35.520 fact that i don't support israel or i don't support whatever his whatever his motivation was

00:58:39.560 there was zero reason that you would be describing the perimeter of my house outside of wanting

00:58:44.080 someone to get harmed and like i first first first of all like i'm not like tucker carlson

00:58:49.620 and i save people all the time that's why i get so worried because when tucker gets accosted in

00:58:54.320 public he just has this like total happy warrior demeanor i will claw someone's eyes out for my 1.00

00:58:59.920 kids like i i am not the property to try we will shoot you like i will shoot you and i will kill 1.00

00:59:04.020 you and I will happily go to prison before you have one opportunity to even make me. I don't 1.00

00:59:08.280 want to be going to think about whether you're going to hurt my kids. And that's just, that's

00:59:11.600 me. That's just me. And I've said it over and over on my podcast. I will, I will smile in my

00:59:16.300 mugshot. Okay. Because I did the right thing and I have no qualms about that. So when he did that,

00:59:20.820 I was like, okay, this little beanie boy. Okay. Little beanie boy. I see exactly what you're

00:59:26.040 doing. The whole world sees what you're doing and you are doing something that you, because you want

00:59:29.820 my children to get harmed. And then if something happens to them, you're going to go, well, I don't

00:59:33.020 know how that happened as i was describing the perimeter of her home and talking about what her

00:59:37.060 security is um which was inaccurate but that's that's like what are we even talking about that's

00:59:43.660 exactly why they do it is that even if the chance is this small the reason that they do it is exactly

00:59:49.700 that is to is to make you really afraid not for yourself for your four kids for your family for

00:59:59.700 the people that work around you it's like i and by the way i'll tell you is that i have the same

01:00:05.880 approach that i think tucker has to it which is then i don't know it is which is basically like 0.99

01:00:11.800 i can handle it like i can diffuse a situation i can do it melissa people kill you yeah i'll kill 0.97

01:00:18.920 you and i'll ask questions later and she did exactly the same and i you know what really 0.99

01:00:23.020 worries me is that is that is all of a sudden we're we're all talking about violence like

01:00:34.920 you're talking about violence violence is defense but now you're talking about the violence and then 0.97

01:00:40.180 they kind of like go oh you're gaslighting us this is bullshit you don't you you're fine you 1.00

01:00:45.560 really rich and you this and that you can take care of yourself it's like bullshit did you see 1.00

01:00:50.520 what just happened to my best friend yeah like i mean we just watched charlie get and he had a full 0.94

01:00:55.540 security apparatus yeah we still don't know what happened to charlie kirk um there's zero interest

01:01:00.780 that's another thing that just completely for me was like done with trump whatsoever like i mean

01:01:05.680 there's there's just no way for someone who came from the inside and watched the work that charlie

01:01:11.440 did to get these people elected don jr was like a brother to charlie literally like a brother to him

01:01:16.100 um and to see the trump brothers to see donald trump himself cash patel who charlie pushed for

01:01:24.060 him to lead the fbi had him on his podcast jd vance like you know came out of nowhere charlie

01:01:30.080 was like not sleeping to make that happen and to see all of these people have zero interest in the

01:01:36.100 obvious holes in the story even if ultimately the holes get filled and there's a picture that

01:01:41.940 make sense which i put that at zero percent chance but let's just you know the fact that they have

01:01:47.240 zero interest and they're just accepting the narrative like what this has done to me and i've

01:01:52.240 said this i'm just done with politics i'm just done with politics because i can't even begin

01:01:57.500 to comprehend it and again that element of gaslighting that's happening here where they're

01:02:02.440 pretending that the people who are noticing that none of this is making sense are the crazy ones

01:02:08.300 and everyone else who's like no turn the chapter a week later it's all solved uh and this is how

01:02:13.020 it went down and none of it makes sense but just accept this slop it it is the most infuriating

01:02:18.760 thing and it's it's just fully removed the scales of my eyes and i've stopped with this left versus

01:02:22.540 right democrat versus republic i'm like this is sheer evil versus good this is like sheer evil

01:02:29.540 But by the way, for real, exactly.

01:02:31.740 Exactly.

01:02:32.680 It is good versus evil.

01:02:36.500 Yeah.

01:02:38.080 They have torn the mask off of this.

01:02:42.100 I said to you before, is that I pray to God that by the end of this, that you think of me as a friend.

01:02:49.020 Because if anything ever happened to me, I want you.

01:02:51.960 You and Melissa team up.

01:02:53.600 You fit.

01:02:54.860 Like, oh my God.

01:02:56.020 It's not happening with Charlie Kirk.

01:02:57.620 And the criticism of you for asking the questions for someone who was like a brother to you, it's like, what the F are you talking about?

01:03:06.500 That's the gaslighting.

01:03:07.700 It's like, how dare you care?

01:03:08.820 You're coming from someone who you've attacked and politically, you've, you know, had all of your criticism, which I have no problem with, and we disagree on so many things.

01:03:20.460 But I listen to you and I go, right on.

01:03:24.580 Like, Epstein, like, you want to figure out why they don't want to let the release all the Epstein files?

01:03:31.760 All you got to do is literally look at a picture of Trump standing on his stage at his inauguration and look behind him.

01:03:38.440 Yeah.

01:03:39.060 I mean, it's like every single person.

01:03:41.520 He's protecting his donors, without question.

01:03:43.640 I mean, it's crazy.

01:03:44.440 Like, Paolo Zampoli and this and that and the other thing and all of these things.

01:03:48.860 It's like, okay.

01:03:49.580 And by the way, anyway, my point is, yeah, when are people going to kind of wake up to the fact, and it's not left or right, this is a really, really horrible group of people that are pulling strings that impact us all.

01:04:11.640 And they make us think that because you and I disagree on, you know, the graduated tax rate or some social issue is that we are sworn enemies.

01:04:26.740 I mean, not just, you know, like sworn enemies that I deserve violence.

01:04:32.120 And I could see them.

01:04:33.240 And it does seem like both sides have woken up without question.

01:04:36.120 My audience is now split.

01:04:37.680 And I still say what I believe. 0.72

01:04:39.320 I haven't changed my position on abortion.

01:04:40.520 I'm Catholic.

01:04:40.920 I have, you know, there's nothing that has changed. I think they're just hearing me for the first time. And I do think there was something about the Charlie Kirk assassination that everyone just sort of looked up, you know, we just sort of all looked up at the machine and was like, wait a second. What is this? Because they expected Trump to be ride or die. They expected cash. I mean, wow, this is going to be solved in the clearest way possible because the entire political apparatus that has the power and the Department of Justice is in the hands of Charlie Kirk's friends. Like that was how I felt, right? This is it. No, whoever did this is never going to be solved.

01:05:10.920 get away with it because these are charlie's friends and what did we get they're the people

01:05:15.600 that charlie kirk made he charlie kirk made these people that's exactly right he led a youth

01:05:19.440 revolution to to get these people elected in power he was ride or die to the level of disloyalty

01:05:26.280 or fear i don't know what it is disloyalty is is disloyalty may be guided by fear but it's so

01:05:32.860 it's disturbing and i i cannot i can not forgive trump the trump family uh what they have done

01:05:41.900 or what they have not done for charlie can i keep one of these yeah yeah and i'm full on i'm like

01:05:47.800 call me a conspiracy i'm like you where i'm like that what is the shame tactic of the day you're

01:05:51.640 calling me a conspiracy there's great i'm like you'd be a fool to believe the stuff that they're

01:05:54.760 telling us today the stories are telling us um i mean it's it is something that is just so

01:06:00.500 disturbing and i think that the charlie assassination has just so crazy like because

01:06:05.700 he was so republican conservative but i think it's brought people together in a productive way

01:06:09.900 yeah um i look what i'm i'm i'm here and you're here and the um i i really think that we're not

01:06:21.400 unique you know i think very very kind of emblematic is that like i'm like let's put the

01:06:27.960 past you know not behind us like i'll explain anything you want i'll talk about anything that

01:06:32.900 you want to talk about that you still have questions about or that anybody is it but like

01:06:37.260 this isn't right this we're witnessing right now is not right the level of corruption the

01:06:46.100 obfuscation the um i mean whether it's butler or charlie or these things that that it's just not

01:06:55.920 right and i mean it's so glaringly not right it's almost as if they're just saying f you they don't

01:07:02.620 they're not even trying like we don't even get good psyops anymore and that's what i keep saying

01:07:06.180 i'm like they're it's so disrespectful that we're not even getting good good psyops anymore like

01:07:10.020 we're we're supposed to believe he survived four what do we have four assassination attempts the

01:07:14.320 first president that's ever survived four assassination attempts they quietly they lie

01:07:18.400 to us about things they make a big deal and then they make it want to you know it's going to go

01:07:21.640 away they're going to keep pretending and telling us that this is a totally normal grieving widow

01:07:26.520 okay no one's buying that like that something's just not right here everyone can see that this

01:07:31.340 is not how you would react to your husband being shot and uh this sort of just i'm fine and i like

01:07:37.000 two weeks later i fully accept the narrative i have no interest in anything else it's over let's

01:07:40.540 let's close it i forgive him let's move on you're you're asking us to abandon our common sense and

01:07:47.200 our humanity is what you're asking us to do. And that kind of seems like where we're at. Like,

01:07:52.720 they're insisting on this. And I'm going, where is this going to go? Because we're not doing the

01:07:58.520 thing they want us to do. Like, they are just constantly giving us slop all the time. I mean,

01:08:01.920 even the recent White House Correspondents Dinner, there was so much theater to it after,

01:08:06.540 so much theater. And now it's kind of, okay, Secret Service maybe shot each other, and we're

01:08:10.560 just going to kind of quietly move on. But Trump needs a ballroom. Like, that's a normal reaction.

01:08:14.700 hey there's a shooting duck hey well we better get that ballroom by the way it's going to cost

01:08:18.120 a billion dollars now and by the way it's not from donors and by the way we're going to do it like

01:08:21.980 it's just like it's just the the constant like talk about gaslighting it's it's been this has

01:08:26.920 been just this and he we're not even are we even a year into trump's second term we're a little

01:08:33.500 over a little over a year and second and i don't think there's just been i'm like how are we going

01:08:37.440 to deal with four years of just being gaslit every five seconds and told that but maga literally

01:08:42.500 MAGA is not MAGA anymore. And what was actually never Trump, which was actually pro-Hillary

01:08:47.560 Clinton, if you think about it, that's now MAGA. It's literally people who have been against Trump

01:08:52.260 the entire time who are lecturing us about this stuff, like the Mark Levins and the Ben Shapiros

01:08:57.300 and like we're MAGA and the Laura Loomers, like, you know, we're MAGA now. Okay, great. Then I'm

01:09:02.160 not MAGA. Like I am, I've never agreed with these people. I am opposed to these people's ideas.

01:09:07.800 I am opposed to unleashing an actual lunatic who has had to be Baker acted and put on psych 5150 holds by her own parents who fear her.

01:09:20.760 I'm opposed to that actually being unleashed upon the population.

01:09:23.920 Melissa always used that 5150.

01:09:26.480 She's like, that person's going to get 5150.

01:09:28.420 I go, what are you talking about?

01:09:29.360 What's 5150?

01:09:32.160 You're telling us this is MAGA now.

01:09:34.020 Like, this is what we do.

01:09:34.880 And so it's been a, it's a, it's been a challenging time because you do have to have like the humility to admit that I'm quite embarrassed about it.

01:09:44.400 The president of the United States of America has posted images of himself as a king, I think half a dozen times now.

01:09:53.380 Like when are we, when, when are people going to wake up and go, okay, like if that's what you want.

01:10:00.120 And by the way, if that's what you want, then you know what?

01:10:04.380 I know that there is a, that there is a, the vast majority of Americans, but, but some that are really going to really, really have a problem.

01:10:14.600 Yeah.

01:10:14.980 Really have a problem.

01:10:15.820 I am MAGA.

01:10:16.620 And I, God forbid, and this whole thing is, is it, I, we, we all need allies now because they do have an enormous amount of power.

01:10:26.540 You know, one of the things that I always think about is that it's so easy to silence people, but it would be particularly easy for instance to go, like, if someone, like the whole cocaine in the White House thing.

01:10:39.480 By the way, I look at your image.

01:10:42.820 Is it, like, you can believe whatever you want to believe, but I know my truth, and that's all I can do.

01:10:52.780 And you'd prefer crack anyways.

01:10:54.720 A hundred percent.

01:10:56.540 And by the way, I would not have forgotten it in a cubby to go into the situation room, which I've never been in before.

01:11:08.840 Okay, exactly.

01:11:10.340 I mean, Jesus Christ.

01:11:11.400 Anyway, but my point is, what if I'm flying back to L.A. and I go through security and they find drugs in my bag?

01:11:21.140 Who would believe me that I'm clean and sober?

01:11:24.380 Who would possibly believe me?

01:11:26.540 No one.

01:11:27.180 No one.

01:11:28.560 No one.

01:11:29.640 And I could take drug tests and I could prove it and I could, you know.

01:11:32.620 I mean, literally, I pack my bag in front of a witness everywhere I go

01:11:39.300 so that at least I would be able to say that.

01:11:43.700 Here's the crazy part.

01:11:45.220 It's the idea that I would think that there is a government in power

01:11:51.280 capable of doing that.

01:11:54.460 says everything anyone needs to know about where we are yeah the idea that you feel unsafe

01:12:05.320 in the united states of america because you disagree with the current administration

01:12:13.660 on a issue that 70 percent of americans agree with you on like you know i think we all can agree

01:12:23.780 is that we need to stop the wholesale murder 0.98

01:12:27.420 of a population in Gaza.

01:12:30.780 Whatever you think about my father's policy

01:12:36.120 as it relates, I always say to people,

01:12:38.380 you know one thing he didn't do? 0.90

01:12:40.080 He didn't greenlight to turn Gaza

01:12:44.220 into a Trump golf course,

01:12:46.500 with the maitre d' being Jared Kushner

01:12:49.000 with $4 billion in Saudi money.

01:12:51.420 It's despicable. 0.94

01:12:52.520 Despicable.

01:12:52.960 It's just like they did the deal before.

01:12:54.400 I mean, when he posted that, I'll never forget that, posted the Trump, like, here's what Gaza could be and, like, I could have my name in a building.

01:12:59.960 And I was like.

01:13:00.300 But literally, that's what they're doing.

01:13:01.320 This is dead children.

01:13:03.340 Like, you're literally saying this is all going to be fine because we're going to get up a Trump resort or something. 0.98

01:13:08.820 Positively despicable. 0.70

01:13:09.660 I mean, just positively despicable, tasteless, indefensible.

01:13:14.760 And it's not a joke, though, is my point.

01:13:16.140 It wasn't a joke, and that is the deal.

01:13:17.960 And that's what they're doing.

01:13:18.920 Literally doing.

01:13:19.700 And by the way, they're doing it out in the open.

01:13:21.240 I mean, it's not as if they're hiding it in any way.

01:13:25.000 I mean, they are making deals as they go through.

01:13:28.320 You know, like I always say to people, it's like, you had such a problem with me.

01:13:32.160 I didn't do any business.

01:13:33.220 I'll take the paintings.

01:13:34.020 I didn't do a single business.

01:13:35.660 You know, every single person that bought a painting from me during the time my dad was there in office,

01:13:42.200 I had two shows and probably sold a total of 20 paintings and 13 of them to my best friend.

01:13:54.320 And that's it.

01:13:58.120 That's it.

01:14:00.500 And you had a problem, not you.

01:14:03.740 Well, you too, but they had a problem with me as being this emblematic emblem of corruption.

01:14:08.940 these guys okay don jr got the single largest loan guarantee from the department of defense

01:14:20.000 ever handed out of over 600 million dollars for an energy company a fusion energy company of which

01:14:25.740 he has zero zero experience it they have gotten jared kushner who's never run a private equity

01:14:34.240 fund has now a $4 billion private equity fund with 80% of the money coming from the Middle

01:14:39.640 East, of which he continues to raise as he is the ambassador at large on behalf of the

01:14:45.360 Trump administration, not as a political appointee, but simply as a son-in-law of the president

01:14:49.360 to come to a peace deal of a war in Iran that they started that has cost the economy billions

01:14:56.900 and billions of dollars for war nobody wanted.

01:15:02.080 That every president before them, before him, 0.73

01:15:06.360 was pressured by the Israelis to get into. 0.99

01:15:11.320 And every single one, regardless what you think of them, 0.92

01:15:14.580 from Jimmy Carter, through President Reagan,

01:15:19.160 through both of the Bushes, through Clinton, through my dad, 1.00

01:15:22.520 said, you're out of your d*** damn minds. 1.00

01:15:24.740 And here's the reason why. 1.00

01:15:26.180 This is what's going to happen.

01:15:27.860 So who benefits right now?

01:15:29.620 You know who benefits?

01:15:30.840 The people that are making trades of billions of dollars on market manipulation that occurred.

01:15:38.720 It's literally out and open.

01:15:40.200 But who's going to, you know, who's going to do anything about it?

01:15:42.980 You will not get a disagreement out of me.

01:15:44.380 Like, I am so far off the Trump chain.

01:15:46.400 He's posting me.

01:15:46.640 No, no, by the way, and I'm not even saying it for the purposes of, like, yeah.

01:15:49.780 But it is embarrassing.

01:15:50.720 It is embarrassing because we got behind him as the answer to corruption.

01:15:54.780 We thought he was going to be this outsider. You know, he's going to go to D.C. He's going to drain the swamp. And then he became the Loch Ness Monster, you know. And so it's like, I don't know what it is about that swamp, but you get swimming in it. And it's like people do this. And yes, it has been for Israel. Not to say that Trump wasn't pro-Israel. Most presidents actually are pro-Israel when they go in there. And if they go anti-Israel, they kind of end up dead.

01:16:15.100 um but it's uh or they you know sort of get kicked out if you want to talk about nixon and

01:16:19.500 the scandal of watergate which i've revisited and did think that that had a lot more to do

01:16:23.520 with his shifting viewpoints but uh that wasn't the issue like i was pro-israel generally speaking

01:16:29.700 not very educated about the topic it's this level of corruption that you're talking about

01:16:33.840 uh when you are willing to let real americans be harmed their day-to-day lives be harmed they're

01:16:39.860 suffering at the gas pump their groceries are expensive all at the so that you could further

01:16:44.240 rich how much more money does just trump family need i mean just like literally how much more

01:16:48.260 money do you need like that you're going to allow this to happen don't don't you just want to have

01:16:52.700 now the legacy of being a good president i mean this is yeah i'm saying to you about like the

01:16:56.420 cryptocurrency thing i think there's incredible promise in cryptocurrency i believe in the you

01:17:01.540 know meme token i want to i'll do something one day to create a community and there's there's

01:17:06.360 really good reasons to do it there's really interesting ways and i know disagree i just

01:17:11.740 happen to be kind of like a crypto i mean just because of my understanding i think it is incredible

01:17:16.940 freedom in world in which we've been controlled by banks so if you have the same problem that i

01:17:21.440 have with big pharma banks and and and the fed and these like like where does money come from

01:17:26.980 kind of thing is it like i truly believe in in what uh satoshi uh you know kind of the manifesto

01:17:34.880 of bitcoin but that's just me regardless my point is is that they had such an opportunity

01:17:40.400 It had such an opportunity.

01:17:42.840 I'll give you this.

01:17:44.220 I want you to look at the conspiracy.

01:17:49.160 Go look up Gal Luft and Alexander Smirnoff.

01:17:55.020 They're the two principal individuals that made the only claim that people hung their hat in,

01:18:03.260 in Congress and elsewhere, as it relates to my dad and corruption, bribery and stuff like that.

01:18:08.460 One of them is a fugitive from justice

01:18:12.500 wanted by Interpol in the United States government,

01:18:14.540 Gal Luft, who is a former IDF officer

01:18:19.300 who is believed to be living in Israel as a fugitive,

01:18:26.260 which the Israelis will not help us locate.

01:18:29.120 And the other one is Alexander Smirnoff,

01:18:31.200 who is a known Israeli intelligence agent.

01:18:35.360 Those are the two people,

01:18:36.280 who was in a prison in the United States

01:18:38.180 serving six years

01:18:40.440 and they can't find him.

01:18:43.700 Bureau of Prison can't find him

01:18:45.220 in his prison,

01:18:46.700 in the prison.

01:18:47.900 He is on furlough,

01:18:50.320 but no one knows

01:18:51.460 where he's been furloughed to.

01:18:53.440 The only passport that he has

01:18:55.120 is an Israeli passport.

01:18:58.400 There are forces 0.96

01:18:59.900 that I used to say, 1.00

01:19:02.200 oh, this is bullshit. 1.00

01:19:03.680 Have you ever read 1.00

01:19:04.480 The Devil's Chessboard?

01:19:07.120 Yes.

01:19:07.420 i i alan dulles looking into the cia i read this book chaos that then led me to the devil's

01:19:13.200 chessboard it's actually on our list for books to read for the book club yeah yeah yeah it'll

01:19:18.620 knock you chaos cia the mansion stuff that was the one that knocked me and i was like what the

01:19:24.140 heck is our government what is going on chessboard and you realize the that anyway what the cia is 0.56

01:19:31.460 capable of and you think it's all a conspiracy and i think that's what they're fearful of is 0.82

01:19:34.440 that people have awakened to that.

01:19:35.980 And so when they're kind of trying to throw red meat now,

01:19:38.140 what you see them doing, the left, the right,

01:19:40.060 it's just not landing the same anymore

01:19:41.840 because we just realized that there is a devil's chessboard.

01:19:44.860 By the way, that's why I have it in terms of the left.

01:19:46.160 You think I'm going to defend the DC elite of the left?

01:19:54.300 They crushed my dad.

01:19:58.020 When they saw their chance,

01:20:00.420 they did everything in their power to push him out.

01:20:07.720 You know why?

01:20:08.480 Because he was never part of that club.

01:20:10.060 He was never part of the Epstein class.

01:20:11.880 He lived in Delaware.

01:20:13.180 Everybody, you can think whatever you want about my dad,

01:20:15.800 is that literally my dad never bought a stock or a bond

01:20:18.100 because he made a commitment in 1972 when he was 30 years old

01:20:21.360 after Watergate never to own a stock or a bond.

01:20:25.580 And he did.

01:20:27.260 My dad was the poorest person ever to enter the presidency,

01:20:29.660 and the poorest person, not poorest,

01:20:31.880 I mean, he had money, he'd wrote and written a book,

01:20:33.600 and he'd done well,

01:20:34.240 but he had the least amount of wealth

01:20:36.060 entering the presidency in modern years since 1900

01:20:40.060 than anybody.

01:20:42.380 And when he was in the United States Senate,

01:20:44.480 he was not only the poorest man in the Senate,

01:20:47.420 not poor, again,

01:20:48.420 he made over $170,000 in average

01:20:52.500 over the course of 45 years,

01:20:55.580 but not just the Senate,

01:20:57.580 but 535 members of Congress.

01:20:59.660 He was never a part of that club. And that's what I wish, like, you knew. That's what I wish they knew. And I am not here in any way to defend, you know, the D.C. elites of my own party. I think that they're just as complicit in all this bullshit.

01:21:19.280 No, without question, like the Nancy Pelosi's, what's your, what's your opinion on Kamala then? Did you like her? Like you didn't? No, you know what? I did. And I, I don't want to say anything. I don't, I didn't know the vice president that well. 0.99

01:21:36.500 okay you know i mean i and and she was always nice to me personally and so that was my you know

01:21:45.140 you know uh but i didn't have the other thing that people think that i was like living at the

01:21:50.480 white house i i literally didn't leave my home because it was really hard to to leave i stayed

01:21:56.940 you know in the hill that i lived on until the fires came um uh you know that's that's where i

01:22:03.220 was i was with beau and melissa and um trying to make it through and not trying to make it through

01:22:09.600 thriving making it through what would otherwise have seemed like a um a horrible horrible life 0.96

01:22:16.900 from any outsider's perspective so i'm not judging the question but i don't want to shit on the the

01:22:23.080 vice president because i have no reason to necessarily she did nothing personal to you

01:22:28.240 she was nice to you never did anything personal to me yeah i think that she is uh you know so

01:22:33.280 kind of machine stuff yeah exactly you know i don't in terms of all that stuff i'm uh you know

01:22:41.040 i think i'm tough enough to realize that that you know that's part of like when you get to

01:22:46.980 politics at that level people kind of uh i think have this misperception of me is that for 50 years

01:22:55.920 i was a crack addict and i was that picture you know i mean i went to yale law school you know

01:23:00.700 i served in the clinton administration i was chairman of the board of the u.s un world food

01:23:05.620 program which is the largest humanitarian organization in the world i served on 16

01:23:09.240 boards before i ever joined the board of burisma or anything um i taught at georgetown for i was

01:23:15.240 you know taught at the master's program with the school and first service for four years i actually

01:23:18.660 didn't know that yeah yeah and that was something that surprised me too not to be rude but i i

01:23:23.140 thought you were dumb yeah because i don't know maybe because megan mccain was on the view for 1.00

01:23:27.620 too long or something and i was like here we go just like rich political kids like i mean she 0.99

01:23:31.520 is just she's just so dumb and and yet she's just always here like they're just giving her stuff and 0.92

01:23:36.580 so i think there's also that perception where it's their kids don't work aren't smart yeah and so i 0.98

01:23:41.960 was kind of expecting you to be sort of a megan mccain yeah and then when i watched it i was like

01:23:45.440 oh wait he actually has he has brain cells which is by the way remarkable that you didn't kill them

01:23:49.120 all off when you were on crack i told you before i think they got pickled all the uh all the vodka 0.98

01:23:53.900 so i was like this is interesting he's not a total idiot uh so there is there are the stereotypes 0.94

01:24:00.160 of rich kids who just keep getting handed all of these awards in life i say to everybody is that 0.62

01:24:05.340 if there's any ever anybody in the history of america that that benefits from uh low expectations 1.00

01:24:12.080 it's me is that people are like oh my god like you aren't you're not a complete moron 0.99

01:24:20.260 you didn't you haven't pulled out your crack pipe yet yeah which is really crazy but that 0.97

01:24:24.120 gives you an idea by the way of the level to which i was muted because uh they didn't want

01:24:31.640 and you know you you have to subvert yourself to a machine to a certain degree and like it

01:24:40.300 It wasn't up to me if I wanted to go out and, like, rail at the machine or rail at, you know, go on and argue with Jake Tapper or, you know, whomever.

01:24:48.540 Because it would harm your dad.

01:24:49.520 Yeah, because then I'd become even more of the story.

01:24:52.680 But you give up your voice in that way, and it's incredibly emasculating.

01:24:59.080 And particularly when the portrait that is being painted of you as a ne'er-do-well that never did anything in their life. 0.89

01:25:09.120 like like you want to talk about experience go look at my goddamn resume i have 10 times more

01:25:15.780 experience in 10 times more things and i know i am 10 times more well-read than either one of 0.95

01:25:21.920 the trump boys regardless of what you think about them now you know what i can't do is that i'm not

01:25:26.500 a great shot you know and um and i don't know anything about real estate and i don't know

01:25:33.080 anything about making money and that's why i'm about you know a few million dollars in debt and

01:25:38.400 And I don't, and I need to change that one around in some way at the age of 56.

01:25:44.620 But the portrait that was painted on me has given me this incredible gift

01:25:49.780 that I can walk into your house, into your studio,

01:25:55.660 and I guarantee that people afterwards are going to go, 0.96

01:25:58.580 I still think he's an a**hole, but my God, he's not. 0.96

01:26:00.800 You know what? 0.99

01:26:01.380 Can you believe it?

01:26:02.060 He didn't go do lines in the bathroom.

01:26:03.460 No, that was my reaction when I watched Andrew Callahan.

01:26:06.900 And I was like, wow, he's actually thought through his addiction.

01:26:08.840 He's talking about the ritual. 0.99

01:26:09.700 Like, this guy's not an idiot. 0.99

01:26:11.180 And you're right. 0.99

01:26:12.020 I guess you do benefit from having exceedingly low expectations.

01:26:16.080 But it was sort of like you said the first time you spoke.

01:26:18.080 And, of course, you did sort of have to be quiet because otherwise you would have definitely hurt your father.

01:26:22.160 And there's a machine that's kind of bigger than you that you have to submit yourself to.

01:26:25.120 By the way, the rage was there.

01:26:25.800 You could tell that I even went back.

01:26:28.560 My dad just said, honey, that was really beautiful parts of it.

01:26:32.280 Do you have to use the F word that much?

01:26:36.900 i was like coming from you yeah but the the thing about my dad though is he uh

01:26:45.560 he um at least from the different generation he would he never talked to us that way

01:26:51.020 ever like even around or around my mom or you know but anyway so i'm trying to curb the f word

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01:28:02.920 How old were you, by the way, when your mother died in the car accident?

01:28:06.160 Just about three.

01:28:07.100 I was a month away from three.

01:28:08.560 Beau was a month away from four.

01:28:11.400 My sister, Caspi, was about 18 months,

01:28:15.960 who my oldest daughter's named after, Naomi.

01:28:23.580 Do you have any memory of her?

01:28:25.540 Yeah, you know, I don't know for certain whether the things that I have, which I believe are memories, are memory, because it would be very rare at that age.

01:28:42.420 I, I, I have distinct memories of my, my mom carrying us around in picnic basket.

01:28:49.940 And, um, and I even have a, uh, a distinct memory of the car, not the accident of the car.

01:29:00.560 Um, uh, but I don't know if it's because I've been, you know, steeped in stories, you know, 0.79

01:29:08.560 the beautiful part like everything there's a have you ever read any of the um the gnostic

01:29:15.220 possibles you know no you really should because i know you're uh i i've listened to you talk about

01:29:25.200 your catholicism and your faith and i'm like a toddler in the faith and there's so much it's

01:29:29.560 like so rich so it's really cool there's the one of the things that i uh i've always been a student

01:29:37.580 of. Because when I first went to Georgetown, the two closest

01:29:41.560 people after I graduated from Georgetown were two Jesuit priests. One was named

01:29:45.300 Ted Deziak, and the other one was Bill Watson. And both Father Watson

01:29:49.140 and Father Deziak led me into this idea of service.

01:29:53.480 I started a thing called the Jesuit International Volunteers

01:29:56.940 with Father Watson. I mean, excuse me, Father Deziak. And then I went

01:30:01.320 to the JBC because of Father Watson,

01:30:04.680 which is like Domestic Peace Corps

01:30:06.920 and I did that for a year

01:30:09.100 and then when I

01:30:10.340 opened up my own law firm

01:30:12.760 all my clients

01:30:15.020 were Jesuit

01:30:16.960 universities because I was friends with

01:30:19.000 presidents of universities that were just

01:30:21.100 like five or six years older than

01:30:23.080 me, you know, that were now

01:30:25.260 becoming presidents of St. Joe's

01:30:27.660 and Granton and 0.88

01:30:28.880 Loyola and all these Jesuit

01:30:31.420 universities, Detroit

01:30:33.360 mercy and um but anyway the gnostic gospels the gnostic gospels were um uh they were found

01:30:41.800 uh menage hominy and they they were written in the uh the period between uh christ's death and

01:30:48.160 the first two centuries and there's the gospel of thomas gospel of philip and constantine

01:30:54.120 and now i'm going to do this boring no i'm very interested in this um uh emperor constantine

01:31:00.020 converted to Christianity.

01:31:01.340 Yep, the end.

01:31:02.000 But what he did, and really what it was about, was not a true transformation of faith.

01:31:07.920 It was a way to consolidate power.

01:31:09.740 So he made the Christian bishops, who were 200 years into the very, very early church,

01:31:22.000 he made the Christian bishops his lieutenants and enforcers as it related to the religion. 0.57

01:31:30.020 So that he can control the more radical elements of it.

01:31:32.760 And so that is when they came to an adoption of just four gospels.

01:31:39.680 And there's all of these other writings that became, that you could get excommunicated for the morning.

01:31:47.900 That is really beautiful, really beautiful portraits of like the gospel of Mary Magdalene and Jesus's relationship with Mary Magdalene.

01:31:56.360 But anyway, it's not a gospel, but it is one of the texts.

01:32:02.060 I think it's called the Acts of John.

01:32:05.000 There is a thing that Christ says, and he says, I'm paraphrasing,

01:32:10.640 you must learn to suffer as I do in order to be able not to suffer.

01:32:17.420 And that is the greatest lesson of everything,

01:32:22.800 is not having gratitude for all the good things in my life,

01:32:26.360 for having immense gratitude for all of my life like i wouldn't be here we couldn't have this

01:32:34.040 honest conversation i couldn't get to know you as a human being if every single thing didn't occur

01:32:41.320 behind it i would not feel this this gift of being alive on a daily basis the way that i do

01:32:48.920 if I hadn't overcome committing suicide

01:32:53.280 dozens of times in motel rooms

01:32:56.920 in places that I could never afford to be found dead.

01:33:02.780 You know, and it's that piece of life

01:33:07.560 that, like, the only way I got it

01:33:10.860 is when they just tore off all my clothes.

01:33:16.120 tart and feathered me and put me in the center of town and said look at him and i and i and i

01:33:26.780 survived when you survive that you kind of go what am i going to do with my life well number one thing

01:33:33.460 i want to do with my life is number one take care of me yeah you take care i feel like i have to say

01:33:40.720 like i'm really sorry that i contributed to that like i just feel really shitty like i feel guilty

01:33:44.660 because like hearing you talk about I mean basically having the worst moments of your life

01:33:49.840 like I always speak about on my show how a lot of these kids growing up aren't going to even know

01:33:54.860 what it was like before social media where you could just make a mistake and like have that be

01:33:58.160 over and you got to grow up and now it's like they're digging and they're finding people's 0.99

01:34:01.540 tweets from when they're 17 they're an idiot they wrote the n-word once and they like want to hang 0.99

01:34:05.180 them when they're 40 and um I just I just saw you as a caricature and it was it was definitely 1.00

01:34:12.560 like i said like feeling gaslit by the political machine convinced that it was just the left that

01:34:18.320 partook in this political machine and i just like really want to say like genuinely like i'm so

01:34:23.860 sorry that i just didn't even consider he's a crackhead and like you know like that's actually

01:34:29.300 a very relatable thing and he shouldn't be you know like to have that is just unbelievable to

01:34:35.820 consider every worst thing you've ever done i am uh like i told you before we started i'd cry very

01:34:41.100 easily but i do i just feel like i my it's not who i want to be and i think i've yeah i've come

01:34:46.240 a long way from that in general um and like but i did partake in just the inhumanity of just look

01:34:53.740 at this guy at the worst moment of his life like with prostitutes he's on crack he's on drugs and

01:34:58.460 we should make fun of him because it makes us feel good um or it makes us feel like we're somehow

01:35:04.100 beating the machine and that it was i think a really warped viewpoint and hearing you speak 0.79

01:35:08.380 about it today i'm just like wow you so gross that i particularly you have so much and i mean

01:35:16.820 this in a good way so much power because i think that your audience absolutely trust you

01:35:28.280 and the reason that they trust you is because you've shown an enormous amount of courage

01:35:33.940 of speaking your mind,

01:35:37.820 particularly as it related to someone

01:35:39.380 that you loved like a brother,

01:35:42.440 and everything that has transpired since then,

01:35:46.060 which is an immediate rejection of power

01:35:48.920 and an immediate rejection of knowing 1.00

01:35:51.740 that you were just going to get the shit beat out of you. 0.99

01:35:57.720 And for you to say that to me, 0.99

01:36:00.300 I truly mean it,

01:36:01.740 But just from a purely selfish point of view, it means the world.

01:36:08.320 And I truly didn't come here for that.

01:36:12.240 I came here because, you know what?

01:36:15.780 I ask forgiveness every day without any expectation that I will be forgiven.

01:36:23.560 But I know the people that I hurt.

01:36:27.320 And I still do.

01:36:28.840 And I'm not even remotely perfect.

01:36:32.100 And I still screw up.

01:36:35.260 But, God, if we could have this conversation

01:36:42.300 and genuinely, authentically believe that,

01:36:45.940 I think it just opens the door for a few other people

01:36:53.380 without being, with all humility.

01:36:56.380 like maybe you know maybe a few other people and there is a freedom in it too like there's a

01:37:03.120 freedom that your worst moments have just like yeah there's nothing else what are you gonna say

01:37:07.600 yeah you know what i mean like you got me butt naked up with the with a crack pipe so i mean

01:37:12.100 there's i survived it and so you have it and yeah it allows you to kind of return to who you are

01:37:17.400 because it's you know addiction is yeah i wouldn't wish it i always say like you know people

01:37:22.280 growing up and seeing what it's done to families and um seeing a lot of stuff when i was younger

01:37:26.760 like really made me like again i'm like wow i can't even imagine imagine if you could talk about

01:37:30.800 it imagine if you could have openly talked about it and the person that you were confronting or

01:37:35.100 doing it is like we're able to say like like this is you know like we got to do something about this

01:37:39.840 come on everybody let's do something about it i want to start an aftercare program for people

01:37:44.420 for free because the biggest thing that happens is people go to detox and they go to recovery center

01:37:49.640 are rehab. And they get out after 30 days, and they got nowhere to go.

01:37:54.620 And so one of the things that I'm trying to do is start a free aftercare

01:37:58.280 program. And there's a couple. There's one in Kentucky that is a really beautiful model.

01:38:02.620 But if I could do that, you know, I work with

01:38:05.540 an organization called BOSTA Universal.

01:38:10.280 I'm the development director there. And they do tenants' rights

01:38:13.780 and homeless prevention.

01:38:17.840 like

01:38:18.460 I know what we all

01:38:20.040 can agree on

01:38:20.660 we can all agree on

01:38:22.040 that you know

01:38:22.880 that people can't afford

01:38:24.100 to pay their rent

01:38:24.700 and need to be able

01:38:25.160 to figure out a way

01:38:25.840 to stay

01:38:26.360 stay in their houses

01:38:27.640 before it becomes 1.00

01:38:28.820 a mother with three kids 0.78

01:38:29.780 and they're homeless

01:38:30.360 we know where that leads

01:38:31.860 but

01:38:32.580 these kinds of things

01:38:34.180 is what I want to use

01:38:35.780 what I'm doing

01:38:36.260 what like

01:38:37.060 I want

01:38:38.380 like I want to do that

01:38:39.260 I also want to make a living

01:38:40.280 I also want to do

01:38:42.000 I also want to be able

01:38:42.820 to pay my debt

01:38:43.540 I also want to be able

01:38:45.000 to do the things

01:38:45.740 that you know

01:38:46.220 I have you know

01:38:47.840 you know i also still want to make art you know uh you know i i started um finally and like you

01:38:54.300 know what i'm gonna put all my art on my website and people can come look at it if they want to

01:38:58.400 buy it they can buy it and like because i don't really believe art becomes art until you share

01:39:04.280 it with somebody um i mean like until there's an observer of it so i can you know i can sit in my

01:39:10.180 my my studio which is my garage but i want to do all of those things and i want to be able to do

01:39:19.200 it and i want to be able to talk to you you know what i mean i want to be able to talk to the people

01:39:23.880 i want to talk to like that family necessary conversation and say to the mom like the stories

01:39:31.660 your daughter tells you about the way that you that you adopted animals it really moves me

01:39:36.860 the fact that you think i'm the spawn of the devil

01:39:39.680 we maybe have a discussion about it right you know yeah it's a caricature yeah and i have and i

01:39:48.680 have a caricature of me that's been built up for a year so i should have been more empathetic to

01:39:52.380 it honestly but it's when you're in it you kind of don't really know that you're in it i think

01:39:56.360 well not only in it is that you're in it to win it and when everything is put in a political lens

01:40:00.940 and, and light for death. And, you know, if we lose this election, you know, this is over and

01:40:06.840 these, you know, now I will tell you this is that we've never had somebody that is, you know,

01:40:12.840 uh, you know, supposed staying longer than they're supposed to. But regardless, is that

01:40:19.760 I think that, that we all have a tendency to, um, to look at the time that we live in

01:40:27.780 and say that it's worse than ever, absolutely the worst.

01:40:31.780 And the fact of the matter is, like you,

01:40:34.180 if you know your history,

01:40:36.480 is that this is a cycle.

01:40:42.860 There will always be really bad people.

01:40:45.340 We will always be disappointed in the end with leadership.

01:40:50.000 We will always have corruption.

01:40:52.440 It doesn't mean that we need to accept it.

01:40:54.000 It doesn't mean that we don't need to fight against it.

01:40:55.860 doesn't mean that sometimes really good people make the wrong choice um uh but what it does

01:41:03.940 mean is that i have absolute hope i've really truly still believe in america even with all of

01:41:10.500 the incons the the all of its uh faults i mean even after reading the devil's chess board

01:41:21.900 like you know you read that and you go like what is that's not about democrats and that's not about

01:41:26.860 republicans and if you go back and you go back to reconstruction you go back to andrew johnson

01:41:32.080 you go back to like the um uh you know the fact that the united states of america has not had it

01:41:38.100 was not it's not been truly the united states of america until you know 1964 at best and this

01:41:45.480 whole thing but i still really believe in the the illusion and the thing that makes me so mad is

01:41:53.200 they have completely torn away that illusion and people feel hopeless they feel like there's no

01:42:00.560 chance to change it okay they gave this guy the reins to do it and he was the one who was going

01:42:05.120 to blow everything up and make it better for everybody and they're kind of like wait a second

01:42:11.520 What happened to Charlie?

01:42:13.380 Wait a second.

01:42:15.720 Why are we at war again?

01:42:18.240 Yeah.

01:42:18.660 You know.

01:42:20.220 I think this is actually the most important question,

01:42:23.060 and I will make this my final question I want to ask you,

01:42:25.320 but I'm really interested about your faith life.

01:42:30.140 You're Catholic.

01:42:31.120 You're raised Catholic.

01:42:32.000 You went to Catholic school,

01:42:33.300 and you're talking to me about the Gnostic Gospels.

01:42:36.280 Okay, let's you and I go see the Pope together.

01:42:38.020 I'd love to do that.

01:42:39.220 Seriously.

01:42:39.520 i think he's a little mad at america right now no but you and i he's been i was tweeted the same

01:42:43.700 day as the pope by the way by trump when he said bad things about me for real let's go to the

01:42:47.180 vatican i would love to i would love to the coolest place in the world i love i just got

01:42:51.240 back from italy i was there uh two weeks ago yeah i did my confirmation well oh you did i did i was

01:42:56.780 it was just the most beautiful oh that's so cool unbelievable yeah it was literally the same day

01:43:01.660 that trump posted the time most vile person of the year so i felt like there was even in that

01:43:07.280 there was something divine because it was like looking at fake power and then the real power of

01:43:11.680 like having you know a cardinal getting confirmed being in italy the deep history like what outlasts

01:43:17.780 that like there was something so fickle about it like posting this photo of me when i was sick okay

01:43:21.680 great um wait hold on talk about humiliating people for sport somebody literally sent this

01:43:28.140 to me right before i came into you they knew that i was going to talk to you and i promise you i did

01:43:32.080 not plan to do no you're so fine it was a prayer if you are wise and understand god's ways

01:43:37.200 prove it by living an honorable life. Do good works with the humility that comes from wisdom.

01:43:43.580 But if you are bitterly jealous and there is selfish ambition in your heart, don't cover up

01:43:48.800 the truth with boasting and lying. For jealousy and selfishness are not God's kind of wisdom.

01:43:54.580 Such things are earthly, unspiritual, and demonic. For wherever there is jealousy and selfish

01:44:00.940 ambition, there you will find disorder and evil of every kind.

01:44:07.200 the whole first piece of that

01:44:11.380 when you were just talking

01:44:12.480 is what's my faith?

01:44:14.500 If you are wise

01:44:15.380 and understand God's ways,

01:44:17.180 prove it by living

01:44:17.980 an honorable life.

01:44:21.300 And the thing that I recognized

01:44:22.960 is that,

01:44:24.560 quote from Mother Teresa,

01:44:26.480 I don't go to Mass

01:44:27.560 as much as I used to.

01:44:29.020 I grew up going to Mass

01:44:29.760 every Sunday.

01:44:30.520 I never would miss a Mass.

01:44:31.960 You know,

01:44:32.220 I went to Georgetown.

01:44:34.100 I was Catholic.

01:44:35.600 but what i realized is that my real faith is in that belief is that just do the next right thing

01:44:44.840 that's the whether it's the golden rule and that doesn't mean you have to be weak in your empathy

01:44:53.140 but always be uh compassionate i believe in the perennial philosophy i believe the same exact

01:45:00.460 message from the Upanishads to the Gospels of Jesus Christ are all at base in terms of the

01:45:11.340 red-letter words of each of them are saying the same thing, love your neighbor like you would

01:45:18.500 want to be loved. And it's the hardest thing in the world to do. So hard. But that's my faith.

01:45:28.300 and I think that there are certain people

01:45:32.160 that arrive at certain times

01:45:34.300 that are messengers of that

01:45:37.120 and for instance

01:45:41.180 I certainly don't agree with the Catholic Church

01:45:43.780 on a lot of stuff 1.00

01:45:44.900 I certainly have a

01:45:47.280 but I tell you what

01:45:50.100 I really am so proud of Pope Francis

01:45:52.000 and now Pope Leo

01:45:52.920 in terms of just the notion of social justice

01:45:56.160 and

01:45:58.360 I think that there can be a practical

01:46:04.780 application of that

01:46:06.500 in terms of our leadership

01:46:08.540 I really do

01:46:09.380 I think that

01:46:10.520 faith that is used as a cudgel

01:46:15.300 is really

01:46:17.700 really dangerous

01:46:19.280 I think that

01:46:20.920 I know a lot of people

01:46:24.420 that I personally love

01:46:25.980 and very close to that are part of an evangelical church,

01:46:31.320 particularly in the African-American community,

01:46:34.240 but that are horrified by the complicity of a certain section

01:46:42.780 of the evangelical church and what's happening in the world today.

01:46:46.760 So to me, my faith is very personal.

01:46:53.280 It's rooted in Catholicism.

01:46:55.980 and it's rooted in the Society of Jesus,

01:47:01.060 the Jesuit Church in particular,

01:47:02.580 which they used to always call the Black Pope

01:47:04.420 until we finally got a Jesuit Pope.

01:47:07.480 And with the eyes wide open, too,

01:47:10.140 that the church as an institution

01:47:13.600 is incredibly flawed and had been.

01:47:15.940 But it's given me an enormous sense

01:47:21.580 of community and belonging

01:47:25.000 just from a cultural perspective.

01:47:27.480 Well, what I'm going to say is

01:47:29.140 I really think you should go to confession.

01:47:32.980 Yeah.

01:47:33.820 You should do that.

01:47:34.780 Oh, don't worry.

01:47:36.020 I've been to confession.

01:47:36.840 Yeah, you should go to confession.

01:47:38.100 Oh, yeah.

01:47:38.400 You know, and just, you know, just...

01:47:42.200 100%.

01:47:42.520 Yeah, don't worry.

01:47:43.880 Go back to the root.

01:47:44.900 Go back to the root.

01:47:46.240 And, you know, there's so much there.

01:47:48.900 And it's like you're not, you know,

01:47:51.220 you're just not enough. 0.87

01:47:52.600 Your brain's not enough. 0.97

01:47:53.420 I mean, hearing you describe that, 0.82

01:47:54.500 i can do this that there's just something about for me like the the submission that

01:47:59.300 just every mass and just remembering like the beautiful thing yeah beautiful thing is this

01:48:06.980 the beautiful thing is that i have been going to confession for six years wow right here that's me

01:48:17.540 you know i i like that freedom you know what you feel like the only person that you could

01:48:24.580 say this to you know and i'm not saying that there is not like my impure thoughts that i'm

01:48:31.460 you know that's between me and god but i am saying is that that feeling of release

01:48:41.060 that the confessional is there for is the feeling that when i was finally able to see beyond all of

01:48:51.520 the noise that i received by just existing and getting up every day and looking turning over

01:48:59.500 and seeing that

01:49:00.680 my wife

01:49:01.820 who saved me

01:49:03.400 and

01:49:05.400 and Bowie

01:49:07.240 and

01:49:08.380 my dad

01:49:09.360 as a dad

01:49:10.840 not as president

01:49:12.200 but just as a dad

01:49:13.140 and my mom

01:49:14.880 and my sister

01:49:15.580 and my aunts and uncles

01:49:16.600 and everybody else

01:49:17.500 and then the wider circle

01:49:18.720 my friend George

01:49:20.800 you know

01:49:22.080 my friend Franny

01:49:22.920 my you know

01:49:23.680 I mean my friend Bobby

01:49:24.640 I like

01:49:25.160 people that came into my life

01:49:26.840 and

01:49:27.060 and never left

01:49:28.480 and

01:49:29.500 Despite it all.

01:49:30.720 And there was nothing in it for them, but just grief and ridicule.

01:49:34.800 Pretty cool.

01:49:36.260 It's everything.

01:49:37.440 Yeah.

01:49:39.100 Ladies and gentlemen, Hunter Biden never thought this conversation would happen.

01:49:43.220 And it's just stranger things have happened.

01:49:45.300 And I'm just, this has truly been one of the most powerful discussions that we've ever had.

01:49:50.060 And I think it's because of your journey.

01:49:51.740 You know, you've lived through a lot.

01:49:52.580 You lost your mother, your sister in a tragic accident.

01:49:56.080 You lost your brother to cancer.

01:49:57.780 um maybe for a while lost your dad to politics political machine lost yourself to crack cocaine

01:50:04.280 um and somehow and i gained everything yeah gained it all back yeah i really did i can't tell you

01:50:12.480 how much it means to me that uh that you wouldn't invite me here into your home to be able to have

01:50:18.720 this discussion um and i i i really really mean it i i'm really really honored and i'm and i'm

01:50:27.760 I'm grateful that you took it and that you've accepted my apology because I just feel really shitty about it.

01:50:32.720 But guilt is good, like we said earlier.

01:50:35.600 Thank you so much for joining us.

01:50:38.540 Amazing.

Candace Owens - May 21, 2026

Candace x Hunter Biden： The Interview

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