Candace Owens - Erika And I Sat Down. Here’s What Happened. ｜ Candace Ep 280

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00:00:30.460 Okay, everybody. Shabbat Shalom.

00:00:33.340 I just want to say Shabbat Shalom to everybody back at home.

00:00:35.720 Happy Hanukkah to our greatest friends and allies.

00:00:39.680 And, you know, this is a good time to mention that Israel does have a right to defend itself.

00:00:43.580 Tucker Carlson is Adolf Hitler.

00:00:45.400 And TikTok does need to be purchased by the Mossad.

00:00:48.840 It's just how I'm feeling today.

00:00:49.980 I am not different.

00:00:51.500 Maybe you are different.

00:00:53.240 Welcome back to Candace. 0.99

00:00:56.360 Okay, you guys are crazy. 1.00

00:01:14.100 You guys are absolutely crazy. 1.00

00:01:15.300 The amount of people who attacked me for sending out a tweet being like,

00:01:18.480 hey, I'm good. I'm alive.

00:01:19.220 We had a very productive conversation.

00:01:20.560 And they were like, she got the call.

00:01:22.800 She got the call.

00:01:24.120 She's betrayed us.

00:01:25.960 She's doing something else.

00:01:27.480 I can't believe it.

00:01:28.380 This has all just been a show.

00:01:30.120 Calm down.

00:01:31.700 Okay?

00:01:32.620 What do you think happened?

00:01:34.220 Erica said, stop. 0.94

00:01:35.820 And then I was frozen for four and a half, four hours and 30 minutes just like,

00:01:42.760 as I just put all of these talking points into my head.

00:01:46.920 That is not what happened.

00:01:47.860 I keep telling you guys, I am not governable.

00:01:49.620 I am basically akin to Kanye West.

00:01:53.780 I never felt more seen than when he tweeted a lot of years ago,

00:01:58.260 just fired my manager because I realized I can't be managed.

00:02:01.740 That is me.

00:02:02.280 That tweet right there.

00:02:03.180 I was like, oh, gosh.

00:02:04.700 Yes, Kanye, that.

00:02:05.680 I get this.

00:02:07.420 Nobody is changing their mind.

00:02:09.240 Anything.

00:02:10.220 How ridiculous would it have been if I'm doing all of this,

00:02:13.860 investigating, asking all of these questions,

00:02:16.200 and then Erica Kirk offers to answer some of these questions.

00:02:19.560 And I'm like, no, I'm not going to go.

00:02:21.900 I can't betray the people.

00:02:22.900 I don't want any answers to the questions.

00:02:24.780 I just want to ask them.

00:02:26.500 No, this is the entire reason we are doing this.

00:02:28.920 We've been looking at the situation going,

00:02:31.080 why can't Turning Point USA just answer basic questions?

00:02:34.580 And I can tell you guys that yesterday for four hours and 30 minutes,

00:02:38.760 there were no rules.

00:02:40.140 They said you can say, you can ask us any question that you want,

00:02:43.220 anything that's on your mind, which I appreciated.

00:02:46.180 And some of you guys are thinking, who is they?

00:02:47.920 Who is they?

00:02:48.380 It's the Jews, obviously. 0.99

00:02:50.500 Just kidding.

00:02:51.400 Justin Strife.

00:02:52.440 Justin Strife was in the room.

00:02:55.060 It was just Justin Strife and Erica.

00:02:57.560 George joined me just for the beginning portion of the conversation

00:03:01.020 because he had that thing going on that I told you on the 15th all day.

00:03:03.440 He was in a conference.

00:03:04.580 And then I brought my cousin Mia, you know, the one that has a really bad attitude. 1.00

00:03:08.040 I just bring her there for vibes.

00:03:09.700 I think it just confuses people.

00:03:11.200 They're like, I don't understand what's this person doing here.

00:03:13.900 And the reality is she's like always just listening to Cardi B music.

00:03:17.780 But she's my cousin and I always have her around.

00:03:20.200 And so that was it.

00:03:21.200 She was kind of sitting a little bit away.

00:03:23.820 But at the table, it was just it was really just the four of us until George left.

00:03:28.140 And I will be honest, I did not know what to expect going into the room.

00:03:33.560 I did not know if they were going to be open.

00:03:37.140 And I didn't know what Erica's energy was going to be like, if it was going to be more

00:03:42.520 of an argument, if there was going to be legal threats.

00:03:46.280 You guys were telling me not to drink water.

00:03:48.240 So I didn't drink water while I brought my own water.

00:03:50.500 But I didn't drink that water, too.

00:03:52.580 It was a lot.

00:03:53.040 There's a lot going on.

00:03:53.900 OK.

00:03:54.120 And the conversation started with Justin Strife very sensibly saying, what are we looking

00:04:02.580 to accomplish here?

00:04:03.640 What is the actual aim of this conversation?

00:04:07.520 And he was pretty clear.

00:04:09.900 And Erica was very clear that they were sort of most upset with what I obviously a bit of

00:04:16.000 a fever pitch when I tweeted that it was a godforsaken company and people should not give

00:04:22.920 money to it.

00:04:23.680 And I have to own that.

00:04:25.180 That's aggressive.

00:04:25.860 That is actually aggressive in the retrospect.

00:04:28.320 I was very frustrated.

00:04:30.100 And I don't know.

00:04:31.340 I just I felt like we weren't getting any answers.

00:04:32.960 And there were so many lies.

00:04:34.400 And then I was getting attacked for asking all meaningful questions that was within their

00:04:38.900 capacity to answer.

00:04:40.640 And I told you, I definitely my problem in life is that I can rise to anger very quickly.

00:04:47.060 I shared with them that I really felt like I was under attack for telling the truth from

00:04:52.540 the very beginning, like casually when I mentioned the Catholicism thing.

00:04:55.700 Like, what was that about?

00:04:56.560 I was like, look, I say something in a tribute to him.

00:04:59.180 Alex Clark and Andrew Colvett then jump onto a podcast and they're doing that weird interview,

00:05:04.340 which is clearly aimed at me.

00:05:06.000 And they've teased the interview.

00:05:07.500 It's like aimed at me.

00:05:08.620 But they never say my name.

00:05:09.900 And that, to me, felt like it was the first, I don't know, the first bit of mud that was 0.99

00:05:16.240 slung, which their answer for that was, hey, that was a really crazy time.

00:05:22.860 There a new system had to be put into place.

00:05:25.620 And by no means did Erica give any person the authority to go out and say that the Catholicism

00:05:31.680 thing was a lie.

00:05:32.420 It kind of turned into this big thing.

00:05:34.520 Whatever.

00:05:35.000 Okay, that kind of obviously was not the meat of the reason that we wanted to sit down.

00:05:41.640 I will say I was immediately refreshed by the fact that one of the first things that

00:05:47.160 Erica did was she owned the lies, the lies, or rather, I guess they would cage it as miscommunications 1.00

00:05:54.080 that were coming from various people at the company.

00:05:56.160 Like, look, this is a company with 650 people that are employed.

00:06:00.460 Everybody at this time is exceedingly emotional.

00:06:02.740 And they are communicating.

00:06:04.660 And no matter what somebody says on Twitter, they assume that this communication has come

00:06:07.780 down from management.

00:06:08.540 And that's not always a circumstance.

00:06:10.560 But they owned right away, which felt great, that if you guys recall, we, Erica sat down

00:06:17.620 with Glenn Beck.

00:06:18.180 I actually missed this portion because I didn't get to watch the interview in its entirety.

00:06:22.540 And we were pulling clips because a lot was coming out very quickly.

00:06:24.860 But there was a portion that was going around that was viral.

00:06:27.580 And it was Erica saying that she had Charlie's phone and that Charlie never texted anybody

00:06:33.980 the night before saying that he thought that they were going to kill him.

00:06:38.700 And that obviously reflected poorly on me because I was the one who said that he did, in fact,

00:06:45.140 text multiple people the night before.

00:06:47.680 And then I went on Jimmy Doerr on Friday, Jimmy Doerr's show, and I clarified.

00:06:53.460 I said, Andrew Colvett told me specifically that he was one of the people that received

00:06:57.600 this text message.

00:06:58.420 So I got that first person.

00:07:00.200 I didn't get that from a source.

00:07:01.740 I got that directly from Andrew Colvett.

00:07:04.120 And then somebody who had access to Dan Flood's communications said that Dan Flood similarly

00:07:11.640 received a text message.

00:07:12.600 They owned that right away and explained, Erica said, that she has Charlie's phone.

00:07:17.800 She's looking at his iMessages.

00:07:19.560 And it turns out that he, like everybody else, communicates on Signal.

00:07:23.980 He communicates on Telegram.

00:07:26.320 And when she heard me say that, they then went and looked.

00:07:30.280 And yes, that what I said was true.

00:07:33.120 Andrew Colvett received a message the night before.

00:07:35.880 And Dan Flood received a message the night before.

00:07:38.240 Now, they asked me if I had actually like a concrete copy of what Dan Flood got the night

00:07:44.000 before.

00:07:44.720 And I said, no, somebody told me what it said, which was almost exactly what Andrew said, 0.81

00:07:49.760 which is they're going to kill me. 0.66

00:07:51.420 Andrew did not know who they were, who they, that the day that he was referring to were.

00:07:57.180 But they clarified that the message that Dan Flood received said the left is going to kill

00:08:03.660 me.

00:08:03.920 So I can't confirm that one way or the other.

00:08:05.440 I have to trust them on that because I did not see that concrete message.

00:08:08.960 I was told that it said they.

00:08:11.240 Now, obviously, we discussed the moment.

00:08:15.360 And I'm laughing here because you TikTokers are actually out of control. 1.00

00:08:18.120 You guys are going to be the reason that Israel gets TikTok because you guys are acting a fool 0.99

00:08:22.240 all the time. 0.99

00:08:23.120 And the videos were so hilarious of you guys mocking the Barry Weiss interview.

00:08:27.680 It's great.

00:08:28.140 It's good to laugh at ourselves.

00:08:29.720 And Barry Weiss is always worth laughing at.

00:08:32.000 But I was sort of like, hey, I felt name checked by the podcaster, Candace Owens, this obvious

00:08:39.060 setup and then asking me to stop.

00:08:41.760 And it's interesting to hear Erica say that the reason she didn't ask me to stop in the

00:08:46.560 beginning, because she was she was actually learning things from the show.

00:08:49.000 She was actually learning things and that I think she similarly felt that Barry Weiss was

00:08:55.200 trying to create a moment.

00:08:56.460 Obviously, it's who Barry Weiss is.

00:08:58.540 It's the Zionist lobby. 0.77

00:09:00.580 She's trying to write wrong perceived wrongs because I'm against her side.

00:09:05.380 That does not surprise me.

00:09:06.540 That's kind of why Barry Weiss exists.

00:09:08.600 That's the reason they put her at CBS is because she's just committed to stacking the 1.00

00:09:14.160 audience with people that are going to present the pro-Israel cause and talk about anti-Semitism

00:09:19.340 and talk about like crime being on the rise.

00:09:21.840 It's kind of an embarrassment.

00:09:22.860 But I actually do accept that.

00:09:24.980 And I should also clarify that Barry Weiss obviously picked those questions.

00:09:31.680 They were not random.

00:09:32.580 Like I told you, it wasn't like people were coming to the mic and it was an open mic and

00:09:36.280 they didn't know what they were going to get.

00:09:37.580 It was all very much planned by Barry.

00:09:39.180 But Erica said that she knew the general idea, like they were going to mention me and mention

00:09:44.080 the conspiracies.

00:09:45.420 And but she was not given that specific, the podcaster, Candace Owens question.

00:09:50.640 So I think that's fair to clear that up.

00:09:52.540 Now, I did not at all recant any of my suspicions.

00:09:57.020 And I understand people disagree with me about particular people at Turning Point USA.

00:10:02.160 I communicated what I communicated in front of the whole world.

00:10:05.580 My skin crawled after I spoke to Terrell Farnsworth, the person who took the cameras down.

00:10:11.780 He lied to me several times.

00:10:13.200 I explained to them, which felt good to have that direct communication, how Terrell lied

00:10:18.180 multiple times and that I did not understand why he was there that day.

00:10:24.000 They echoed what he said.

00:10:25.480 They defended what he said, that they were trying something new that day, that they typically

00:10:30.900 live stream, which is what Terrell said.

00:10:32.680 They typically live stream and I said every college event.

00:10:36.060 Well, they said, well, yeah, they live stream the events that are tour stops, but they don't

00:10:40.560 live stream like the outside prove me wrong type events.

00:10:43.600 And that was something that was new and it required Terrell.

00:10:46.120 And I said, even if that was all real, if that was all true, I still didn't feel good

00:10:51.060 about the conversation that I had with Terrell.

00:10:52.400 And I can't ignore my gut about the many little lies that he told.

00:10:55.800 I thought the video he recorded was weird.

00:10:57.880 I know he comes from a very powerful family.

00:10:59.500 I just I personally do not trust him.

00:11:01.760 And I obviously do not like the fact that I said, you know, Tyler Boyer lied about this

00:11:09.060 thing and said he came up with an excuse and said, well, Terrell was asked to take the camera

00:11:12.720 down.

00:11:13.140 That's the reason he said on Twitter, because the police wanted him to take it down and

00:11:17.380 secure the footage.

00:11:17.920 And I said, I know that's not true.

00:11:19.080 And they said, well, after all of that, yeah, after he took the cameras down, there was a

00:11:24.920 police officer or Fed, whoever it was that spoke to him and asked him to secure the footage.

00:11:28.360 Well, that makes sense, but it's not a reason for why he took it down immediately.

00:11:32.540 It makes sense that as you're investigating, you're going to say, who's got the footage?

00:11:36.160 You know, let's lock it down.

00:11:37.700 But it didn't make sense to me that Tyler Boyer lied about it.

00:11:40.800 And I don't trust Tyler Boyer.

00:11:41.780 And that does not that is never going to change.

00:11:44.900 Similarly with Rob McCoy, he makes my skin crawl.

00:11:48.020 I can't explain it.

00:11:49.100 This is a I look at him and he's a bad person and nobody can make me feel one way or the other

00:11:53.360 about that.

00:11:54.080 I was surprised to learn.

00:11:56.480 And this is kind of gets into, I guess, us not knowing the inner workings at Turning

00:11:59.780 Point USA, that Rob McCoy actually does not work with Turning Point USA in any capacity

00:12:04.040 whatsoever.

00:12:05.400 And so him communicating as he has done, like, I'm the pastor on this, I'm that.

00:12:11.380 It's just not real.

00:12:12.520 Like, that is not real.

00:12:13.640 And we should know that that's not real.

00:12:16.300 And when he says that, call him out on that separately from Turning Point USA.

00:12:20.700 I was operating under the assumption that he worked for Turning Point USA.

00:12:23.800 And I said, if obviously that's wrong, I'm happy to correct that.

00:12:28.380 But also, what were we to assume when he hit the stage at the memorial and said, I'm

00:12:34.100 America's pastor and then had the Wikipedia updated and said, well, I'm assuming he had

00:12:38.280 it updated because who else would do that, that he started Turning Point USA faith.

00:12:42.800 So I guess, to be clear, we were just wrong about that.

00:12:47.360 And I will have a lot more to say about Rob McCoy and where I believe he fits into a lot

00:12:53.820 of things.

00:12:54.400 So I'm not letting up on that.

00:12:55.800 Now, one piece of this where I was, I still don't understand it and the magic bullet.

00:13:05.640 Okay.

00:13:06.260 Now we all recall what happened.

00:13:07.720 I casually say on the show, hey, I saw the footage.

00:13:11.540 There was no blood.

00:13:12.080 And honestly, when I said it, I didn't process how big of a deal that was with the 30-06.

00:13:17.920 Very quickly, what happens is Andrew Colvett whips up this tweet about what happened with

00:13:22.860 the bullet.

00:13:23.360 And he said he had, he wanted to address all the discussion that was being had about the

00:13:28.280 online chatter.

00:13:29.200 I'm obviously paraphrasing here.

00:13:31.020 He says, I apologize.

00:13:32.240 It's going to get graphic.

00:13:33.300 But he spoke with the surgeon.

00:13:35.620 The bullet should have gone through.

00:13:37.160 The surgeon then explained that what he's typically seen on these wounds.

00:13:41.760 And basically, this was all a miracle.

00:13:44.100 Charlie saved lives, even in death.

00:13:47.240 And the internet clocked it, this miracle, the healthy bone.

00:13:53.060 His bone was so healthy and the density was so impressive.

00:13:55.420 Like, this is a quote, by the way.

00:13:56.780 His bone was so healthy.

00:13:57.960 I want to read it.

00:13:59.020 This is allegedly from a surgeon.

00:14:00.320 Quote, his bone was so healthy and the density was so, so impressive that he's like the man of

00:14:06.740 steel.

00:14:07.020 It should have gone through and through.

00:14:08.500 It likely would have killed those standing behind him, too.

00:14:12.360 And we were just like, that kind of was like the beginning of the WTF, right?

00:14:23.040 I feel like that was kind of the beginning of it.

00:14:26.020 And immediately, people in the comments responded to Andrew.

00:14:30.380 And he said, this individual said, this post is so fake as it would violate HIPAA.

00:14:36.740 Like, there's patient privacy.

00:14:38.500 You can't just call up the surgeon.

00:14:40.220 And then Andrew Colbert replies and says, rest assured, I would not have posted without

00:14:43.960 full permission.

00:14:44.740 Now, he said he spoke to the surgeon.

00:14:46.840 And they confirmed that Andrew spoke to the surgeon, but that they did not know that he

00:14:52.380 was going to write that tweet.

00:14:53.740 He did.

00:14:54.060 They did not know that he called up the surgeon.

00:14:57.740 So, like, it very much came across to be like Andrew was just flying by the seat of his

00:15:04.040 pants.

00:15:04.560 I don't I don't know.

00:15:06.220 Like, he was just flying dark on.

00:15:07.380 And I was like, that seems very strange to me, because why would a surgeon do that?

00:15:11.000 Like, the first thing the surgeon should say is, I can't speak to you.

00:15:15.620 I don't even know.

00:15:16.620 In theory, Andrew wasn't even there when Charlie died.

00:15:20.080 I don't even know why the surgeon even knows this guy, actually.

00:15:23.120 Maybe he hung around after.

00:15:24.620 But, you know, Andrew was not one of the people that got into the hospital or anything like

00:15:27.360 that.

00:15:27.600 So this is quite literally the PR guy who's calling the surgeon.

00:15:32.460 And so that that just seems that just seems very inappropriate for a person to do, period.

00:15:40.640 And I would say it was kind of the beginning.

00:15:42.020 But that was that was what I got from that.

00:15:43.520 Now, obviously, we discussed the security.

00:15:47.220 I brought up Brian Harpole, this interview with Sean Ryan.

00:15:50.560 And I think we can believe turning point when they say that they did not approve of this.

00:15:56.320 They had no idea he was going on Sean Ryan.

00:15:57.700 I think that's pretty clear.

00:15:58.860 I don't believe he works there anymore.

00:16:00.980 So that was kind of him just getting out there and perhaps trying to rescue his own

00:16:07.780 reputation.

00:16:08.280 And I think that that only made his reputation worse, actually, because people rightfully

00:16:12.620 sense that he wasn't telling the truth in that interview, that he was being cagey,

00:16:15.880 that he was saying things that didn't make any sense.

00:16:18.440 Again, you constantly have these people that believe, like Brian Harpole, that with enough

00:16:22.920 performance, you can sit down and you're just going to convince people that this is real.

00:16:26.480 And this is just a different time.

00:16:28.200 Like I said, these TikTokers are out of control. 1.00

00:16:30.640 They will check you in four seconds.

00:16:32.900 OK.

00:16:34.400 Things that the biggest piece of this that I want to communicate and that I did communicate

00:16:38.540 to them and I hope that they took me seriously on this or rather that they that they take

00:16:44.520 my strong advice on this.

00:16:46.260 I said one of the reasons why I really want to sit down is because I want to walk out of

00:16:50.240 here and feel confident saying to my audience, hey, like.

00:16:55.760 There's stuff going on behind the scenes, but Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk like that more

00:17:04.700 will come out, but you can take it from me that this is what happened.

00:17:07.440 I was looking to achieve that because there's been a lot of signaling from various people,

00:17:12.240 some people who are experts, some people who have been involved in cases that there's

00:17:16.960 obviously going to be stuff that the public does not have access to.

00:17:21.440 And so it is at least plausible that they have seen very clear footage that we've been

00:17:29.580 asking for of Tyler Robinson getting up there and taking the shot like they have access to

00:17:35.120 UVU camera.

00:17:36.000 So I was hoping to hear that.

00:17:37.840 And I said that I want to hear why people feel so confident at Turning Point USA that Tyler

00:17:43.000 Robinson is the guy.

00:17:44.420 And at this point, they elected to call the lawyer like, you know, their their lawyer who

00:17:50.840 is involved in this case, one of the lawyers that's involved in this case, there's always

00:17:53.600 a team of lawyers, especially for something like this.

00:17:55.620 And what I got from the lawyer.

00:17:58.900 Did not make me feel that Tyler Robinson shot Charlie Kirk, it's not make me feel confident

00:18:02.720 that Charlie that he didn't or did shoot Charlie Kirk, I was very surprised by this.

00:18:07.400 He spoke a very long time, I asked, you know, can you share with me what it is?

00:18:11.100 And I said, when you share this with me, I will not say what that thing is.

00:18:14.580 That's what we if we want to protect the integrity of the case, I'm not gonna if you say

00:18:17.680 we've got the footage of him taking a shot.

00:18:19.540 I promise I won't say that to the audience, but I will communicate to them that you have

00:18:24.100 something that is solid.

00:18:25.600 And no, to the exact contrary, this guy effectively said, not effectively, he said that they have

00:18:34.640 nothing like but the affidavit.

00:18:38.240 OK, so what you have, what we have seen is what they have, what is being discussed publicly.

00:18:42.660 You are this whole like non-expert problem with like, well, you don't know.

00:18:45.400 It's like what you read, his messages that don't have any dates on it, Tyler Robinson

00:18:51.080 writing out everything in the clean alibi.

00:18:53.680 That's what they have.

00:18:54.940 And what he explained to me was that that's the affidavit stage.

00:18:58.140 That's where that's where it's at.

00:18:59.440 And then what takes place now is the investigation is ongoing.

00:19:02.760 Right.

00:19:03.200 So right now they're looking for more information.

00:19:05.920 And once investigators, they could very well have obviously footage.

00:19:11.000 And that is why they might feel that, oh, we're definitely get this prosecution.

00:19:15.340 But the reality is, is they don't actually share that information with the victim.

00:19:20.740 They don't share that information with Erica.

00:19:22.840 In this part of the process, they will not know what investigators have discovered.

00:19:27.140 This is what the lawyer told me until May.

00:19:30.000 OK, they will not.

00:19:31.000 They have not seen anything that you have not seen is what I want you to know.

00:19:36.020 So with that in mind, I'm sitting here going, why are you signaling?

00:19:40.440 Why are why do I feel like the public is being gaslit on this?

00:19:43.360 There's been nothing that's convincing.

00:19:44.760 There are so many commentators who have gone out and said to you, it's overwhelming.

00:19:48.240 The evidence is overwhelming.

00:19:49.580 The text messages that don't have a date that don't even sound real.

00:19:54.000 That's overwhelming. 0.94

00:19:55.120 That to me feels really fake and gay. 0.99

00:19:58.380 I really do want to say that to every commentator that is out there trying to tell the public 0.85

00:20:04.540 and insisting that if you say it enough times to become real, you're actually just being dishonest.

00:20:09.420 And I offered that a more honest way to communicate would be to say, we think he's involved.

00:20:14.820 We feel strongly.

00:20:15.540 I've said that.

00:20:16.060 I think he's involved.

00:20:17.120 We are very hopeful that throughout this investigation, we are going to get that concrete thing.

00:20:23.180 And that's where we're at right now.

00:20:24.680 That's just the stage that we are at.

00:20:27.200 That is not what we are getting from them.

00:20:29.140 That is like, I just feel like that's really important to let you guys know.

00:20:33.580 Let the gaslighting stop.

00:20:35.020 They have what you have.

00:20:36.220 Okay.

00:20:36.680 There is nothing else.

00:20:37.740 They are in an investigative stage.

00:20:39.100 Erica has been named as the victim.

00:20:40.920 They will know more in this May hearing, which is the probable cause hearing.

00:20:45.520 That's what the lawyer told me.

00:20:46.340 It's a probable cause hearing.

00:20:47.120 And that's when they will see the evidence.

00:20:49.400 That's when they get to present the evidence why they are going to stand there before a judge

00:20:52.600 and be like, yes, we need to move this forward.

00:20:54.680 It's not just an affidavit.

00:20:55.800 We're not pulling together scraps.

00:20:56.860 We have concrete evidence.

00:20:58.560 Until then, okay, until we all get on the same page and understand what else they have,

00:21:02.640 I am very confident stating the opposite of all of my, I guess, well-paid peers in that

00:21:08.160 I don't believe that Tyler Robinson pulled the trigger.

00:21:11.140 And what I also said to them was, and I said this in front of the lawyer because I don't

00:21:16.400 know why I'm like this.

00:21:17.380 I was like, you might need a new lawyer.

00:21:19.020 I was like, because this person's trying to sell to you that this is solid.

00:21:22.460 One of the rules that me and my husband have is that if you have a lawyer that tells you

00:21:26.200 like you're a hundred percent going to win, it's very clear that you're going to win.

00:21:30.660 You need to do lawyer. 1.00

00:21:32.120 Okay.

00:21:32.240 That's a cheerleader. 1.00

00:21:32.840 It's not a lawyer.

00:21:33.500 A lawyer, even if you, you should 100% win, should be telling you the risks here.

00:21:39.140 You know, I feel good about this case.

00:21:40.580 Like, let me talk real to you.

00:21:41.680 I feel good about this case, but here's where things could go wrong.

00:21:45.360 I want you to understand those risks that are involved.

00:21:47.780 We don't have this yet.

00:21:48.720 We don't have that yet.

00:21:49.720 And especially given what I told them, which is I'm the only, your lawyers or the investigators

00:21:56.400 rather, not their lawyers, because they're not the ones investigating.

00:21:58.700 It's the state of Utah that's investigating.

00:22:00.120 They have not called the one solitary person, as I told you guys, who filmed as he was on

00:22:09.080 the roof.

00:22:09.460 Remember the guy that's like, oh, there's somebody on the roof and he sees him crouched

00:22:13.680 down.

00:22:14.280 I said, I spoke to that person and his testimony would be devastating to your prosecution.

00:22:20.780 He did not.

00:22:21.860 He saw the person on the roof.

00:22:22.840 He filmed the person on the roof at 12, 23 PM, and he did not see that person take the

00:22:27.060 shot.

00:22:27.300 And this is not some random student.

00:22:28.480 This is a guy who trains people to shoot guns at a range.

00:22:31.920 He knows guns.

00:22:33.000 Okay.

00:22:33.740 He saw, he said what he saw was a smaller gun.

00:22:37.760 He said that this person was dressed in black tactical gear and there was no recoil.

00:22:43.400 That's devastating to, that would be devastating to the prosecution.

00:22:47.880 And yet investigators haven't reached out.

00:22:50.100 Now they offered back, well, maybe they haven't reached out because they have an even clearer

00:22:53.360 video where he, and that's, that's true.

00:22:55.040 That's actually a good rebuttal.

00:22:55.800 They're like, we don't even have to talk to this guy because the video will speak for

00:22:58.280 itself.

00:22:58.620 And we saw, we saw what we saw.

00:23:01.580 There's a, there, okay.

00:23:02.480 But wouldn't you still want to speak to the other guy so you could prepare, uh, I don't

00:23:07.740 know, to, to question him something.

00:23:09.300 I don't like if this investigation is going on and I've apparently, or I feel as though

00:23:13.020 I spoke to more people than they have.

00:23:15.080 Both of the people who filmed videos that day, uh, told me that they weren't reached out

00:23:19.120 to.

00:23:19.480 So I don't, I don't understand what's happening here.

00:23:23.280 I don't understand the confidence, I guess is the best way to say this.

00:23:25.880 I told them, I do not understand the confidence that is happening.

00:23:29.100 Now, another really big thing that happened was they brought me Mikey's call logs.

00:23:36.780 Okay.

00:23:37.240 They brought me Mikey's call logs.

00:23:39.000 And that is why I said, this was a productive meeting.

00:23:41.860 There is no other way to say it.

00:23:42.940 I asked every question and they came with the paperwork to show and to answer and to

00:23:48.140 explain certain things also, which was, I thought actually kind of sweet that I guess

00:23:53.420 I'm, you know, I did on the previous show.

00:23:55.460 I was like kind of looking at things into Mikey and I couldn't find him.

00:23:58.620 Uh, and someone said, I think Mikey's not his like real name.

00:24:02.500 Like they thought it was his middle name actually.

00:24:04.740 And I just assumed, okay, well maybe he's using his middle name and that's why I can't

00:24:07.880 find him.

00:24:08.600 But Mikey really wants you guys to know that is his real name and it is his real name.

00:24:11.700 I found out shortly thereafter that they were, uh, confusing his middle name with, they

00:24:16.520 thought it was switched that Michael is his real name.

00:24:19.300 Just to clarify that, cause I realized I actually didn't go back and clarify that.

00:24:22.900 Uh, but Mikey's call logs, big piece of this.

00:24:25.900 Okay.

00:24:27.640 I'm going to, I guess, jog your memory on what Blake said about Mikey that day.

00:24:33.700 And then I'll tell you what actually happened because I don't think Blake has that great

00:24:38.880 of a memory.

00:24:39.480 Okay.

00:24:39.940 Take a listen.

00:24:41.360 So I was not with Mikey or I don't remember being with him.

00:24:44.720 I think I was ahead of him as we left and then we get out and I run for must have kind

00:24:50.580 of been more than 15 or 20 seconds.

00:24:52.340 And then I realized there hasn't been another shot.

00:24:55.080 So the shooter has likely been detained or stopped or something, not an immediate danger.

00:24:59.760 I pause, I look around me and I see Mikey and I see Mikey there.

00:25:03.980 And I'll never, truthfully, I will never forget what I saw because I've seen Mikey almost every

00:25:08.860 day for the past two years.

00:25:10.580 Uh, I know his personality very well.

00:25:12.400 He's a very bubbly guy.

00:25:13.800 He's a very happy guy almost all of the time.

00:25:16.800 And I'll never forget what I saw because it was clear in the moment that he was profoundly

00:25:23.900 freaked out.

00:25:24.500 What I'll always remember is the way his lip was quivering, which I'd never seen before.

00:25:28.900 And you, you very rarely see from someone that he was freaking out.

00:25:32.680 And then I think he literally said to me, I might be imagining this, but I think what he

00:25:36.760 literally said was he's, and then he was looking around and then he says, I need to call

00:25:42.340 Erica.

00:25:42.720 And then he takes his phone and he begins calling Erica.

00:25:47.320 And I don't want to disclose how that call unfolded, but he did that.

00:25:51.320 This, you know, your mind extends all of this, but that is happening within a minute of all

00:25:57.260 of this occurring.

00:25:57.980 I remember he calls Erica.

00:25:59.860 I, around the same time I pull out my phone and I call my mom just to say, mom, there's

00:26:04.400 been a shooting.

00:26:05.480 You're going to see it on the news.

00:26:06.360 I'm okay.

00:26:07.360 You know, pray for me.

00:26:08.540 I've got to go.

00:26:09.140 And I remember that call.

00:26:10.100 And I, around the time I put that phone away and then he immediately calls his dad.

00:26:15.320 He calls Robin McCoy and he says, dad, someone shot Charlie.

00:26:19.880 You need to call all of your pastor friends.

00:26:21.820 Charlie was hit.

00:26:22.920 We need everyone to pray right now.

00:26:24.940 And that's what he told him.

00:26:29.540 Okay.

00:26:29.940 So that's just not right.

00:26:30.720 And so when he says, I might be imagining this for, I'll never forget followed by, I might

00:26:35.240 be imagining this probably means that maybe you forgot and like you really could be imagining.

00:26:39.800 Now for me personally, I think the normal physiological response in these high adrenaline

00:26:45.100 situations for most people is you lock in that they're literally your body when it goes

00:26:49.600 through something, uh, when it's, when it's terrified and it's going through the sort

00:26:53.880 of like you are really paying attention to details.

00:26:57.960 We've learned about this many times over in health class growing up.

00:27:01.340 This is why they talk about that fight or flight response and quite literally there's

00:27:04.220 stuff happening to your body.

00:27:05.860 And so there's a lot of details here that are just, just not accurate.

00:27:08.660 And the one that surprised me the most about these call logs is I certainly feel that we

00:27:12.920 were given the impression over and over and over again that the first person Mikey called

00:27:17.380 was Erica, right?

00:27:19.420 He called Erica.

00:27:20.080 He was, we were told this by many people also that he was, he trained like, like he

00:27:25.800 almost like went to a camp and trained and Charlie was like, one, two, three, go.

00:27:30.260 And like fast, one, two, three, go, go, go.

00:27:32.180 That's why he walked away.

00:27:32.940 One, two, three, go.

00:27:33.520 And just told him, this is what the first thing you do is.

00:27:36.580 Well, he didn't do that.

00:27:37.840 Actually, the first person he called was his wife.

00:27:40.120 He called Elizabeth McCoy.

00:27:42.980 And then he stayed on the phone with his wife for 10 minutes.

00:27:46.380 And during those 10 minutes, he three-weighed Erica three minutes after the shot went off.

00:27:53.720 And then he three-weighs his father and then he three-weighs a third person who I am not

00:27:59.280 interested in mentioning because it's not relevant.

00:28:01.680 This is Danny McCoy, by the way, is his brother that's in the military, but that's before the

00:28:05.820 shot goes off.

00:28:07.260 Charlie Kirk shot goes off.

00:28:09.140 You know, I have that in detail.

00:28:10.400 Charlie's brought to security.

00:28:11.740 Mikey McCoy calls his wife.

00:28:14.480 They will stay on the phone for 10 minutes.

00:28:17.200 Okay?

00:28:17.600 In that same minute, because we know this, because Blake Neff has given us his call log

00:28:21.240 to his mother, Blake Neff called his mom.

00:28:24.140 His call with his mother lasted 45 seconds.

00:28:26.400 So we're assuming it went to 1225.

00:28:27.960 It very well could have stayed in 1224, depending on the millisecond.

00:28:31.860 Blake Neff ends that phone call with his mother.

00:28:34.780 Mikey McCoy, after the phone call with his mother ends, adds Erica to the phone.

00:28:40.580 Okay?

00:28:40.800 So that, when he was recapping, and he's always lips quivering, and he's like, I got to call

00:28:45.340 Erica, and he's like, and then I called my mom.

00:28:48.480 That's not right.

00:28:49.780 That's just not right.

00:28:50.760 Okay?

00:28:50.980 Mikey called Erica after Blake Neff ended that phone call with his mother.

00:28:55.600 If call logs are to be believed above, you know, human testimony.

00:29:01.820 Mikey McCoy then drops Erica from the phone call two minutes later, and then he adds his

00:29:06.700 father to the phone call.

00:29:07.920 Again, he is this entire time on the phone with his wife.

00:29:10.580 Okay?

00:29:10.840 And then Mikey McCoy ends his phone call with his father.

00:29:17.900 He does call another person, who I'm not mentioning because it's just not relevant to anything.

00:29:22.380 You know, not a character in the story, rather.

00:29:24.620 And then he ends the phone call with his wife.

00:29:28.860 And a minute later, his brother calls him back, and they stay on the phone for 10 minutes.

00:29:34.740 I did not get this from everybody speaking about this Mikey McCoy call log.

00:29:40.760 I know that you guys did not get this.

00:29:42.800 I did not get this.

00:29:43.700 I don't know why she was disappeared from this.

00:29:46.920 Like, you could go.

00:29:47.700 The wife wants privacy. 1.00

00:29:48.820 No.

00:29:49.180 She was, like, you know, main stage at the memorial, has been, you know, I would say very

00:29:53.940 involved in a lot of this kind of, you know, like, I think it's very close that she's close

00:30:00.420 with Erica.

00:30:01.640 They went on the vacation together.

00:30:02.880 So I just, I didn't, I don't get this disappearing act.

00:30:04.880 I find, I found that to be like, okay, but, but they were forthcoming with it.

00:30:10.580 That feels good.

00:30:11.500 That feels good, guys.

00:30:12.920 Like, wow, we can, we don't have to guess.

00:30:14.940 Now we have solid answers.

00:30:16.120 And like I said, when you come out and give solid answers and you're not weird and calling

00:30:21.440 people names and saying all this stuff, it allows people to go, okay, I feel a bit more

00:30:28.140 like we can trust this process because we have communication.

00:30:31.580 That's the reality.

00:30:32.880 Um, and so I just, I wanted to update you with that.

00:30:37.160 Also, another thing that really, I think, surprised them and I think surprised me is

00:30:44.640 getting back to this Hamptons retreat.

00:30:47.560 The thing about the Hamptons retreat, and I communicated this with them, that makes me

00:30:52.340 so, um, uncomfortable is how many little lies were told.

00:30:57.560 I think I've been clear about that.

00:30:59.960 Like, Seth Dillon definitively pressed Charlie at this event.

00:31:03.840 Now whether it was in a hypothetical, which it was in a hypothetical, but he got fired up

00:31:08.180 in the hypothetical of Charlie discussing, potentially tweeting something against BB Netanyahu.

00:31:13.380 It did lead to this firecracker moment.

00:31:16.180 Again, this is one of those things where I go, why am I always being held out to dry,

00:31:20.260 like hung out to dry for telling people the truth?

00:31:22.980 Especially when I wasn't going, oh, well, Seth Dillon killed Charlie Kirk.

00:31:26.540 I just, like, this happened.

00:31:28.080 It factually happened.

00:31:29.280 And yet everybody's kind of putting out these weird statements and they're not being honest

00:31:34.020 in them.

00:31:34.340 And I was saying to them, that made me feel really weird.

00:31:37.100 And I would love to know more about this BB Netanyahu offer to fund Turning Point to the 0.52

00:31:45.040 next level.

00:31:45.840 At which point, Erica said she was not aware of that happening.

00:31:49.980 It is obviously totally possible that that was kept in the business lane of Turning Point

00:31:55.100 USA.

00:31:55.400 But I'm certain, I said, I am absolutely certain that I did not get this from an obscure source

00:32:02.320 that BB offered to fund Turning Point to the next level.

00:32:05.500 And it was part of my frustration with that sit down with Alex Clark, where Andrew said,

00:32:12.060 oh, there was not $150 million that's made up.

00:32:15.400 You know, I told them.

00:32:16.620 Andrew Colvett was my source.

00:32:18.640 Andrew Colvett told me, verbatim, that BB Netanyahu offered to take Turning Point to

00:32:23.280 the next level and that Charlie turned that money down.

00:32:25.840 So I said, there's a bit of a predicament when I'm being like lambasted by all of these

00:32:32.880 voices and people that are attacking me and these paid campaigns.

00:32:36.420 And when I say paid, yes, OK, actually have the names of people.

00:32:40.920 Different ways are being paid.

00:32:42.400 Some are being paid by PR firms.

00:32:44.460 Too many are being paid by Prager University, which is upsetting to me because I know Marissa

00:32:49.040 and it's just dirty.

00:32:52.580 But it's especially crazy when people are calling it a conspiracy, when I share things

00:32:58.520 that are told to me from the spokesperson of Turning Point USA.

00:33:01.920 OK, that's weird.

00:33:03.280 And yes, they were forthcoming.

00:33:05.360 Nobody's ever denied this.

00:33:06.520 So this was not on our list of lies about the fact that BB Netanyahu did call him.

00:33:10.320 OK, that did happen.

00:33:12.060 BB shared that, by the way.

00:33:13.280 Our source for that could have just as well been BB Netanyahu.

00:33:16.940 And not a lot of clarity on.

00:33:19.900 I don't know why some people think he didn't make this offer and why definitively three

00:33:28.460 different sources who would have knowledge of this confirmed to me that BB Netanyahu did

00:33:32.460 indeed make this offer.

00:33:33.420 I never said $150 million ever, not once on the show.

00:33:37.400 I wouldn't have even said that, by the way.

00:33:39.180 If you said take Turning Point to the next level, I actually would have assumed it was

00:33:42.920 more, if I'm being honest.

00:33:44.940 That's like that's a hefty offer and it leads to a lot of questions.

00:33:47.620 So there was not a lot of clarity there.

00:33:51.360 Lastly, I want to add, of course, I was locked in this meeting when people, odd lie, were

00:33:56.760 another round of debunking the Egyptian planes.

00:33:59.840 I want to be very clear.

00:34:01.060 We discussed the Egyptian planes and I have since worked on an incredible document about

00:34:07.780 the Egyptian planes, which we are going to put up on our website because I realized

00:34:11.440 that when we shared that spreadsheet, people assumed that one of the columns, which was

00:34:16.960 actually saying where the planes landed on that day, because it was plus or minus three

00:34:20.460 days, was exactly where Erica had been on that day and that was inaccurate.

00:34:24.520 And so for clarity, I had been working on the last week on turning it into an interactive

00:34:28.300 timeline that we can put up on our website because I am certain that these Egyptian planes

00:34:32.000 are incredibly shady and that they were, in fact, tracking Turning Point USA, faith, broader

00:34:37.720 events.

00:34:38.280 Of course, Erica was at some of them.

00:34:39.580 Charlie was at some of them.

00:34:40.780 But it is the pattern here is undeniable.

00:34:42.900 So let the naysayers and people make videos trying to, what are we, fifth round, debunk

00:34:47.180 these planes.

00:34:48.020 I also want to say to you that I feel very confident that I know why these planes have

00:34:53.160 caused such panic.

00:34:55.040 And it is because there is overwhelming evidence that these planes regularly fly in and out of

00:35:02.480 Israel.

00:35:03.280 And I'm going to present that evidence tomorrow.

00:35:05.600 I say that strongly.

00:35:06.520 This is the, like, I feel very confident saying these Egyptian planes are flying in and

00:35:10.720 out and notice I'm saying planes because once I was able to connect people that were on

00:35:15.040 those planes onto other Egyptian planes, I was able to realize that these planes are

00:35:20.600 flying in and out of Israel and turning their transponder off each time that they do it.

00:35:25.260 That is now makes perfect sense of why there was this mass panic, right?

00:35:29.360 It's not exactly like we have a strong Egyptian lobby in the United States. 0.98

00:35:33.160 Now we're like, whoa, well, those darn Egyptians again are trying to get TikTok censored. 1.00

00:35:37.240 I mean, every person in the game, Barry, acting, well, these are the usual suspects that act 0.98

00:35:42.920 if something is a threat to Israel, okay?

00:35:45.380 Which is, they should have just been forthcoming, pretended that it was changing apart.

00:35:48.560 Instead, they're trying to gaslight us and they're actually, frankly, just pissing me

00:35:52.560 off.

00:35:53.040 So I became locked in on these Egyptian planes because that's how I am, okay? 0.98

00:35:57.860 You keep pushing me and keep pushing me.

00:35:59.880 I will become an expert on these planes.

00:36:01.320 I'll learn how to build an Egyptian plane.

00:36:02.740 And the reality is, like I said, tomorrow I will show you how these planes tie back to

00:36:08.660 Israel.

00:36:09.380 And there's no disproving this.

00:36:13.100 So more on that later.

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00:39:27.160 Okay, so a couple of things that I want to say.

00:39:28.720 First and foremost, I just got a live update that I thought it was Danny McCoy on the call

00:39:33.120 log.

00:39:33.420 I should totally correct that, and I will correct that, and we'll be sure to trim it in post

00:39:36.800 here, but it is not Danny McCoy.

00:39:38.180 It is Danny, another one of Charlie's assistants, so I will correct that.

00:39:41.780 Please correct that if you're going to make videos not Danny McCoy that he called him and

00:39:46.720 then called him after.

00:39:47.480 That is another assistant of Charlie's, so we want to be accurate.

00:39:50.980 I don't know why I assumed it was Danny McCoy in my head.

00:39:53.780 I may have done that.

00:39:55.000 Okay, another thing.

00:39:56.200 You guys may have been noticing that we are getting into this weird space where they seem to

00:40:00.400 be almost writing like Candace Owens' fan fiction.

00:40:02.500 I can't even reply to things, and a lot of you sense that this was because we were getting

00:40:06.660 close.

00:40:07.280 I agree.

00:40:08.200 I fully agree that these attacks, which have grown hysterical, like I can't even begin to

00:40:14.860 tell you the conversations between me and my PR person.

00:40:19.140 I'm like, there's nothing to respond to.

00:40:20.780 I mean, there's not even one sentence of this that is true.

00:40:24.600 Case in point, by the way, New York Post does this article today.

00:40:31.440 It was, we were actually laughing, okay?

00:40:33.500 Like, inside Candace Owens' sadistic and dangerous world, monetizing baseless conspiracies.

00:40:42.040 This is after, by the way, they changed my husband's Wikipedia and said that he was a Qatari,

00:40:48.620 like he had a Qatari passport or citizenship.

00:40:50.980 I don't think my husband's ever even flown over Qatar.

00:40:53.280 I could be wrong, but I don't think he's ever, I know he's never been to Qatar.

00:40:56.080 I don't think he's ever flown over Qatar.

00:40:58.040 And they're just making it up, and then they make it trend no matter what it is.

00:41:00.960 And I'm like, this is happening.

00:41:02.360 It's like a psychological operation because they're trying to keep us constantly responding

00:41:07.320 as opposed to focusing on our investigation, which is why I spent this weekend and I just

00:41:11.140 kept down on the Egyptian planes because it's completely crazy.

00:41:14.860 And when you see a media storm like this, it can only be happening because Zionists 1.00

00:41:18.000 are locking arms and going attack, attack, attack, because they, by and large, control

00:41:22.000 the media.

00:41:22.400 They just do, okay?

00:41:23.880 One way or the other, Zionists control the empire medias, and they are scared about something 0.99

00:41:28.820 in this investigation.

00:41:29.920 We've noticed that from the very beginning.

00:41:31.920 So they wrote in this article, the New York Post, just to give you an example of how insane

00:41:37.800 this is, they said they had an inside source that told them that while I was at the Daily

00:41:42.820 Wire, I just fought with people from the very source that in my first week, I threw my car

00:41:49.740 keys at a producer and expected them to park my car.

00:41:53.820 That sentence genuinely made me laugh so hard because I never once in the entire time that

00:42:01.020 I worked for the Daily Wire did I ever drive my car to work, okay?

00:42:05.860 I just didn't.

00:42:06.500 They had a driver that took me there.

00:42:08.640 So I don't know why I would suddenly take the driver's keys and then throw it at somebody,

00:42:13.640 but quite literally, I never drove through Daily Wire.

00:42:15.960 So it's just when I say fan fiction, I'm like, this is fan fiction.

00:42:19.180 Secondly, they say I did that to a producer and that I conducted, demanded others do my

00:42:25.240 research.

00:42:25.720 Could not be further from the truth.

00:42:27.120 I have always, always done my own shows.

00:42:29.980 I can't read a script.

00:42:32.380 I riff my shows.

00:42:33.880 I think that's pretty obvious, that I demanded a huge studio, attempted to use their PR firm

00:42:43.120 to get the cover of People magazine, like full fan fiction.

00:42:47.720 There's not even a shred.

00:42:49.220 I don't even think we ever had a conversation on People magazine because that would not be

00:42:52.540 a normal outlet for any conservatives.

00:42:55.780 That I wanted to be on the cover of People is insane.

00:42:59.380 And they said that their sources also said that, like, my team hated me.

00:43:06.480 My team came with me when I got fired.

00:43:09.840 My whole team's here.

00:43:11.120 So I was just going, OK, what is happening here?

00:43:15.120 Why are we talking about Qatar?

00:43:16.720 Why are they making these things up?

00:43:18.320 And I have come to the same conclusion as you.

00:43:19.760 It is because we are we are dangerously close to something.

00:43:23.820 I think we have to keep pushing on the Huachuca Air Base, which we are doing.

00:43:26.920 And tomorrow we are going to get back into the investigation.

00:43:29.060 We're just going to ignore the noise because, as I have said, and as I have maintained,

00:43:34.440 I believe that Charlie was betrayed by people that are close to him.

00:43:39.080 And I asked that question in the meeting.

00:43:40.940 I'm like, OK, if we can agree that everyone around you, I was like, I know there are people

00:43:45.680 at Turning Point that are not good people, right?

00:43:47.160 And it's feasible that people, if they have addictions, that, you know, you can definitely

00:43:53.240 get yourself in a scenario where you are willing to sell somebody out.

00:43:56.000 This is a massive organization.

00:43:57.260 How can we so confidently state that nobody had anything to do here to do with anything

00:44:02.340 here?

00:44:03.540 And I think that one of the things that Erica was like, well, I'm not like a feminist and

00:44:08.660 I didn't want the vibe of that, which I think it did come across like a bit of a feminist 1.00

00:44:12.080 to say, like, this is all my family.

00:44:13.760 I'm like, how could this all be your family?

00:44:15.260 I know people in this family and they're not good people.

00:44:17.160 I wouldn't even do that with my own family.

00:44:19.640 OK, I got people in my family like we all do, you know, who aren't exactly walking a

00:44:25.860 straight arrow in life.

00:44:27.560 And yeah, so I've communicated that.

00:44:30.660 I have not changed my position on that.

00:44:32.240 I am not going to stop researching the characters in this that I don't feel good about.

00:44:37.400 But further to sort of them just creating and making things up, Tim Pool has now gone out

00:44:44.720 and extraordinarily claimed that I have the same the same security as Charlie Kirk and

00:44:52.820 that I'm a fraud and actually I have the exact same security.

00:44:55.840 You will recall that Tim just said a week ago that I have no security.

00:45:01.100 OK, this is Tim Pool a week ago.

00:45:04.160 She is burning everything down and she's gloating and smiling while she does it. 0.99

00:45:08.900 And you know what you told me?

00:45:10.080 She has no security.

00:45:11.680 She doesn't deal with the we have to deal with.

00:45:14.440 She's a piece of.

00:45:15.840 She has security, just not on the level of you.

00:45:18.380 Oh, yeah.

00:45:18.740 The one fat guy you mentioned with no wall and no barrier in a suburban neighborhood with

00:45:22.780 neighbors shouldn't give two. 0.99

00:45:24.560 No one's out for her.

00:45:25.640 She's lying about all of this. 0.94

00:45:27.340 You told me you went to her house and she's got a four foot wall and one fat guy and she 1.00

00:45:32.520 doesn't give a about our security.

00:45:35.240 So that was like Tim last Monday.

00:45:37.740 This is Tim who said I had no security except for one fat guy, which I told you was not true.

00:45:42.280 Now he's saying this.

00:45:43.380 Take a listen.

00:45:44.420 OK, I'll say things that I probably shouldn't say, but I'm going to say I always get super

00:45:48.420 heated on this.

00:45:50.060 Candace Owens has the same security team as Turning Point and Charlie Kirk did.

00:45:55.640 She's lying.

00:45:56.640 She has the same security people.

00:45:58.400 I've been digging into this.

00:45:59.580 I've been meeting with people and talking with them.

00:46:01.200 And I shouldn't say too much because there's more that's going to be coming out soon because

00:46:04.420 rest assured people are filing legal paperwork against her. 1.00

00:46:07.560 Candace has the same security team or has used the same security companies and the same

00:46:11.520 security personnel as Charlie and Erica did.

00:46:13.400 So when she comes out and is questioning them, she is lying outright.

00:46:19.000 Now, I've invited many of these people to come on.

00:46:21.200 We'll see what happens when they can.

00:46:23.640 The issue is the moment Candace goes on her show to millions of people and lies, litigation 1.00

00:46:29.140 begins.

00:46:30.200 And what happens when litigation begins?

00:46:32.020 People don't do interviews about it.

00:46:33.560 She is exploiting this, and she knows she is, to keep people wrapped up in this insanity. 0.97

00:46:42.060 Tim versus Tim, undefeated.

00:46:44.480 And what I will also say is that's all a lie.

00:46:46.840 It's almost like they have just sent a call, like they're getting too close and just said,

00:46:53.400 I don't care what you write.

00:46:54.320 I don't care if it's complete fiction.

00:46:56.000 Make it believable.

00:46:57.400 Say her husband beats her.

00:46:59.940 It's coming after my husband.

00:47:01.860 They're coming after me.

00:47:02.960 And they're making stuff up.

00:47:03.780 I have never employed the same security team as Charlie Kirk, ever.

00:47:08.820 We went our separate ways early.

00:47:10.300 Actually, back, it's obviously been publicized.

00:47:13.560 Before, he had Schaefer Security.

00:47:15.880 And Schaefer Security, which was run by Greg Schaefer, who has issued a public statement,

00:47:20.580 they had Dan Flood and Brian Harpool working for them initially.

00:47:23.820 I told Charlie I did not like the security apparatus.

00:47:27.500 I got my own security separate from Charlie from the very beginning, okay?

00:47:30.900 That's a fact.

00:47:31.960 It just is a fact.

00:47:32.780 There's no way to undo that fact.

00:47:34.060 Trying to do this strategy of you're going to get sued is just threatening somebody.

00:47:38.560 If there was any truth to that, you can't just file legal paperwork.

00:47:42.660 You have to send a cease and desist.

00:47:43.740 You have to say, something you said on your show was untrue.

00:47:46.560 Can you please correct this, okay?

00:47:48.480 And if I ignore that, as I did with Brigitte because I told the truth,

00:47:51.700 as I did with Kim Klasek, as I told the truth,

00:47:54.100 then you have the grounds to file something.

00:47:56.540 We have received no cease and desist from Charlie's security whatsoever.

00:47:59.780 Over what?

00:48:00.860 I mean, the audacity that you're filing a lawsuit and someone got murdered on your watch?

00:48:05.060 Because I accurately said that Brian Harpool, the message he showed, belonged to Dan Flood.

00:48:10.560 It did.

00:48:11.600 And that they didn't do a walkthrough on that day.

00:48:14.220 They didn't.

00:48:14.780 But if something I'm getting wrong and you'd like to show me that actually you did,

00:48:20.100 send it.

00:48:20.820 Send it over.

00:48:21.620 We're only interested in getting to the truth.

00:48:23.120 And we're not getting it.

00:48:24.700 We're certainly not expecting to get it from Tim Pool.

00:48:27.580 That is crazy.

00:48:28.820 That's just crazy town.

00:48:30.420 But I do think that that is right now a Zionist strategy. 0.89

00:48:32.680 And that's why I want to encourage you guys to stay focused.

00:48:35.700 Huachuca, which we're going to have a lot on tomorrow,

00:48:38.280 because there is something there.

00:48:40.340 And I think that that caused a panic, as well as the Egyptian planes, 0.99

00:48:44.080 which I am telling you, go back, relate to Israel.

00:48:46.340 And I will be able to prove that tomorrow for all of the naysayers.

00:48:49.260 And again, it's only because this is how they act.

00:48:51.940 They always overreact.

00:48:53.940 And then it lets us know that we are close.

00:48:56.240 They are like an alarm.

00:48:57.700 They are just an alarm.

00:48:59.980 Something else that I wanted to show you, by the way,

00:49:02.940 I thought we were not supposed to be doing live streams while we were speaking.

00:49:06.100 But Turning Point, I guess, has their daily show.

00:49:07.900 But I didn't feel like that was communicated to me.

00:49:10.340 It felt like a ceasefire, and then it got violated.

00:49:13.360 But they had an interesting conversation on their show yesterday,

00:49:16.820 on the Charlie Kirk show, about this trial,

00:49:20.600 the upcoming trial about Tyler Robinson.

00:49:22.440 And here is what they had to say.

00:49:23.640 Take a listen.

00:49:24.440 So this is straight from the charging document.

00:49:26.420 It says,

00:49:26.660 Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so,

00:49:29.060 Robinson had become more political and started to lean more to the left,

00:49:32.060 becoming more pro-gay and trans rights oriented.

00:49:35.060 She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate,

00:49:37.840 a biological male who was transitioning genders.

00:49:40.340 This resulted in several discussions with family members,

00:49:42.880 but especially between Robinson and his father,

00:49:44.760 who have very different political views.

00:49:46.520 In one conversation before the shooting,

00:49:48.420 Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk would be holding an event at UVU,

00:49:51.840 which Robinson said was a, quote, 1.00

00:49:53.600 stupid venue for the event. 1.00

00:49:56.940 Robinson accused Kirk of spreading hate. 1.00

00:49:58.620 And when you see how easy that rooftop access is,

00:50:02.420 you start to kind of put one-on-one together,

00:50:04.140 and you realize that Robinson had a plan that he was going to ultimately take

00:50:09.060 advantage of.

00:50:09.840 And he obviously knew how easy it was to get up to that rooftop,

00:50:13.160 which is terrifying.

00:50:15.440 It really is.

00:50:17.700 And look,

00:50:18.340 you know,

00:50:18.680 one of the other things that's being pushed around for a long time was that,

00:50:21.680 you know,

00:50:22.600 you TPUSA,

00:50:24.460 both the local chapter and you guys didn't advertise this event till a couple

00:50:28.940 days prior to.

00:50:30.760 Now,

00:50:30.880 the insinuation there is that that doesn't give Tyler enough time to plan for

00:50:34.760 this.

00:50:35.060 And what we found out with a little bit of,

00:50:38.260 I don't know,

00:50:38.500 20,

00:50:39.240 not even five minutes of Googling and looking,

00:50:42.260 look,

00:50:42.660 you guys have already put out on your website as early as August 27th.

00:50:47.040 So we have at least almost a full two weeks prior to this,

00:50:50.460 that not only the time of the event,

00:50:52.620 but the location,

00:50:53.380 the exact location of the UVU courtyard.

00:50:56.640 So when you have over 10 days of planning,

00:50:59.180 and it sounds like that Tyler already was familiar with the campus to begin with,

00:51:03.840 like a lot of the mystery of this starts to go out the window and it starts to

00:51:08.620 really conform with what is exactly being proposed by the state of Utah and

00:51:13.680 the FBI in the charging documents.

00:51:15.620 Yeah.

00:51:15.860 And,

00:51:16.160 and we can attest,

00:51:17.660 we,

00:51:17.960 you know,

00:51:18.120 Andrew Seifer,

00:51:18.900 who's our head of field,

00:51:19.980 you know,

00:51:20.740 Charlie sometimes throw the events out,

00:51:22.580 you know,

00:51:22.900 seven,

00:51:23.560 10 days in advance of something opened up in his schedule,

00:51:26.080 he would be able to do these outdoor events,

00:51:28.360 a pretty quick turn.

00:51:30.760 And so those,

00:51:31.580 those whole,

00:51:32.360 that,

00:51:32.640 that whole theory kind of goes out the window.

00:51:36.160 So unless I am mistaken and I am not perfect,

00:51:38.880 but I do feel like we worked really hard to see when this location was first

00:51:43.640 revealed.

00:51:44.260 The first time that we found that the courtyard was mentioned,

00:51:47.560 because Charlie speaking at events,

00:51:48.780 your assumption would be there inside,

00:51:50.440 right?

00:51:50.660 You have no idea where it is.

00:51:51.500 So it's not like you can see whether you have a shot to the courtyard,

00:51:54.700 unless you know Charlie speaking in the courtyard.

00:51:55.980 The earliest that we found that was on September 2nd,

00:52:00.220 the local media mentioned on KMYU that Charlie was speaking at UVU in the courtyard.

00:52:07.480 Okay.

00:52:07.940 That's the first time that we found this.

00:52:09.640 If I am wrong,

00:52:10.600 please tag me because what he's referring to on August 27th,

00:52:13.880 that happened,

00:52:14.440 which we have on our timeline as well.

00:52:15.760 And this is why I love a timeline is that TPUSA,

00:52:18.460 UVU and the local BYU chapter shared a graphic announcing that Charlie was coming to UVU,

00:52:24.080 but there were absolutely no location details mentioned.

00:52:27.500 So that actually does shred the idea that he could have practically gone and scaled rooftops

00:52:33.340 before September 2nd.

00:52:36.020 That's the first public mention is September 2nd.

00:52:38.440 So they announced the event on August 27th,

00:52:40.280 as he says,

00:52:41.300 no location details.

00:52:42.500 And then on September 2nd,

00:52:44.840 there are location details provided by local media for the first time.

00:52:51.020 Prove me wrong.

00:52:52.160 Okay.

00:52:53.240 Prove me wrong.

00:52:54.240 If that is,

00:52:56.060 if I,

00:52:56.300 if I'm inaccurate,

00:52:56.860 because I do think that we were thorough on that.

00:52:58.940 I will update my timeline.

00:53:00.160 If not,

00:53:00.800 it does then go beg the question.

00:53:03.400 Surely they must have footage after September 2nd of him testing the rooftop in some capacity

00:53:09.840 to then realize,

00:53:11.840 oh,

00:53:11.900 it's going to be an outdoor event.

00:53:12.780 This is,

00:53:13.080 this is an opportunity for me to go after him.

00:53:15.220 We are waiting for that.

00:53:16.680 And like I said,

00:53:18.520 I was told that they don't have anything that the public doesn't have.

00:53:22.520 So it's,

00:53:23.160 it's not obvious to me.

00:53:24.140 I don't think it's obvious to the public.

00:53:25.080 Now I do want to get to Viva,

00:53:28.760 Viva Frey,

00:53:30.260 who had this to say regarding drones.

00:53:35.380 Oh,

00:53:35.520 sorry.

00:53:35.720 I mean,

00:53:35.920 sorry around the tech regarding the text messages from Tyler Robinson.

00:53:38.280 A lot has been made about these text exchange that have gone back,

00:53:42.820 that went back and forth between Robinson and his,

00:53:45.020 his lover, 0.97

00:53:46.380 his trans furry gay lover, 0.99

00:53:48.420 whatever. 0.99

00:53:49.860 And people say it doesn't sound right.

00:53:52.200 It doesn't sound right.

00:53:52.820 Well,

00:53:53.760 there is a video that I want everybody to check out by Turkey Tom.

00:53:57.040 I believe you've watched it now,

00:53:58.680 Viva where,

00:54:00.360 and this has been authenticated as somebody who was in the discord chats with them and

00:54:05.100 apparently spent time with them at this apartment.

00:54:07.020 And he said,

00:54:08.760 100%,

00:54:09.620 this is how they talked,

00:54:10.740 which is a striking finding.

00:54:12.620 We're going to go into that more probably tomorrow,

00:54:15.020 the next day,

00:54:15.580 depending on how today goes.

00:54:17.960 But I mean,

00:54:18.440 I get the skepticism on this.

00:54:20.760 At first it struck me too,

00:54:22.900 but apparently this is how they talk Viva.

00:54:24.780 That was not the most,

00:54:27.620 the most implausible thing to believe.

00:54:30.760 Okay.

00:54:30.880 So you have a text message.

00:54:31.980 It does read,

00:54:32.940 regardless of whether or not this is how they talk.

00:54:35.240 People saying they were,

00:54:36.060 they were manufactured by or drafted by AI to the extent that they're confirmed text messages.

00:54:41.220 You can come to whatever conclusions you want after that.

00:54:45.020 But whether or not this is how they talk regularly,

00:54:47.860 to the extent that those were authentic text messages,

00:54:50.880 they show what they show,

00:54:52.300 which is whether or not his lover was aware of what was going on.

00:54:55.720 You're etching bullets.

00:54:56.500 And,

00:54:56.740 you know,

00:54:57.360 it's maybe not for target practice of,

00:54:59.120 of a,

00:54:59.500 of a sporting nature,

00:55:00.520 but like when I say,

00:55:02.460 I don't believe the official narrative and you have to go back to a number of things here.

00:55:05.560 I put my sort of best theory as to what,

00:55:08.680 what went down.

00:55:09.520 I want to know who was on the discord chat in advance,

00:55:12.360 what they were discussing and whether or not there might've been some other foreign,

00:55:16.700 I say foreign, 1.00

00:55:17.360 not foreign government,

00:55:18.000 but outer influence there.

00:55:19.760 Tyler Robinson is getting radicalized right about the same time as Thomas Crooks,

00:55:24.360 right about the same time as,

00:55:25.600 uh,

00:55:26.280 the other guy,

00:55:26.880 Ryan Ruth,

00:55:27.940 you know,

00:55:28.220 he's being radicalized at a politically relevant period of time,

00:55:30.600 right around the same time,

00:55:31.560 oddly enough,

00:55:32.060 as the alleged suspect in the January 6th pipe bomber,

00:55:34.940 you know,

00:55:35.240 a timeframe where political violence,

00:55:37.740 uh,

00:55:38.360 is potentially very useful in,

00:55:41.500 in,

00:55:41.760 you know,

00:55:42.060 for the upcoming election.

00:55:43.120 So the timeframe of the radicalization is,

00:55:45.700 is very interesting to see whether or not he was on anybody's radar beforehand.

00:55:49.680 We don't yet know that.

00:55:50.860 And why there would not be confirmation on that can lead to suspicion.

00:55:54.160 You remember the old man,

00:55:55.020 George Zinn,

00:55:55.800 arrested for claiming to be the shooter the day of,

00:55:57.960 and then gets busted for CP on his phone.

00:56:00.120 Like I,

00:56:01.260 in my mind,

00:56:02.120 if I'm making a plausible theory here, 0.58

00:56:03.960 George Zinn was probably on some discord chat with a bunch of young perverts. 0.76

00:56:07.620 And he's an old pervert and he's getting off doing whatever they do on those chats. 0.86

00:56:11.400 He knows what's going down. 0.90

00:56:12.320 He shows up there and thinks he's going to be some useful decoy or distraction for Tyler Robinson.

00:56:16.920 Cause they know what's going down.

00:56:18.040 And that's my theory.

00:56:19.440 But you know,

00:56:20.400 it is the absence of total disclosure,

00:56:24.140 the total lack of faith that anybody has,

00:56:25.960 not just in the FBI per se,

00:56:27.240 but in any state law enforcement,

00:56:29.380 nobody has,

00:56:30.040 nobody has any faith in our institutions anymore.

00:56:33.620 And it leads people to go from,

00:56:35.040 you know,

00:56:35.840 a healthy skepticism to just not believing it,

00:56:38.400 to concocting the most outlandish conspiracy theories imaginable.

00:56:42.560 But then those text messages,

00:56:43.860 you can understand how they will cause people to come to those types of conclusions.

00:56:47.080 And,

00:56:47.320 you know,

00:56:49.380 allegedly the rumors are Kash Patel,

00:56:51.660 you know,

00:56:51.840 getting mad at Tulsi Gabbard and Joe Kent for trying to look into a potential terrorist angle to this also does nothing to foment faith in the system.

00:57:02.860 Look,

00:57:03.320 I think it's what he's saying there is perfectly valid and we can all surmise about what we think happened that day.

00:57:07.780 We can also ignore the fact that I broke the story that the nurses were told at Utah Valley,

00:57:12.280 which treated George Zinn.

00:57:14.240 Everyone's just ignoring the things that I broke.

00:57:15.720 She has no evidence,

00:57:16.360 but he said he told the nurses that he was paid to do that.

00:57:18.540 So whatever we can all theorize and which we're going to do in the absence of any concrete facts.

00:57:23.580 But I will say it's good that Turning Point is at least giving that air,

00:57:26.140 right?

00:57:26.380 I feel before I don't,

00:57:27.700 I think that might even be the first time Andrew Hulvet has expressed that he thought that those messages were weird initially.

00:57:33.880 That's good.

00:57:34.440 That's what people want.

00:57:35.120 They want fresh air at Turning Point USA.

00:57:36.840 They want different perspectives.

00:57:38.200 They want to feel like you're willing to have a conversation and that at least you're going to defend people when they're being called liars,

00:57:44.000 when they're telling the truth about something.

00:57:45.720 That would feel more authentic,

00:57:46.840 I think.

00:57:47.780 And so I am just to say this very happy that we are on much better feet and that we have opened the lines of communication.

00:57:55.200 I do genuinely think that Justin Stripe did a great job reffing that conversation yesterday.

00:58:02.160 And I also do want to shout out Megyn Kelly because this was going,

00:58:05.020 we were trying to make this happen in the background really since Blake Neff fumbled the first invite.

00:58:10.960 And thank you.

00:58:11.700 That's in large part because of you guys at home that were like,

00:58:13.540 what the F was that?

00:58:14.360 And I think that they got enough flack that they were like,

00:58:16.600 okay,

00:58:16.720 we got to fix this.

00:58:17.560 But I want to commend him for making that happen,

00:58:21.140 for being the person that,

00:58:22.280 you know,

00:58:22.540 kind of rolled up his sleeves and was like,

00:58:23.620 okay,

00:58:23.880 let's actually make a conversation happen and start answering some questions,

00:58:27.060 which I think was done well.

00:58:28.700 And Megyn Kelly,

00:58:29.360 who was initially going to,

00:58:31.220 when we were going to live stream the conversation,

00:58:33.180 before the Barry Weiss moment,

00:58:34.940 Megyn Kelly offered to ref that conversation. 1.00

00:58:38.400 I felt like she would have done a very good job.

00:58:39.660 I do think that she has kept it very even.

00:58:42.000 She has not been hysterical and demonic.

00:58:44.280 It's evil.

00:58:44.840 How dare Candace? 1.00

00:58:46.180 And I appreciated that.

00:58:47.680 She has said,

00:58:49.080 I don't agree with Candace,

00:58:50.060 but I also don't think that she's doing this because she's been possessed by a demon.

00:58:53.660 I think she actually believes these things.

00:58:54.980 And I do.

00:58:55.620 And I have a right to believe those things.

00:58:57.760 And I don't feel any differently about the people that I mentioned on the show that I think are shady

00:59:01.400 at Turning Point USA.

00:59:03.400 And with time,

00:59:04.900 we'll see whether or not I was right.

00:59:07.400 That's,

00:59:07.700 I think that's,

00:59:08.140 that's really what it comes down to.

00:59:09.120 But all around,

00:59:10.680 definitely a productive conversation.

00:59:12.340 I know it's four hours,

00:59:13.540 so things,

00:59:14.060 more things will come to my mind as they become relevant.

00:59:16.160 But I think that that's a good pause for right now.

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01:02:21.680 Top comment from last episode.

01:02:24.320 You better keep asking questions

01:02:25.860 because it's the only thing that keeps us free.

01:02:28.200 That is a direct quotation from Charlie Kirk,

01:02:30.460 and that's why we're doing it.

01:02:31.920 It does keep us free,

01:02:32.920 and we are all sensing the squeeze.

01:02:35.260 It's like they just want our speech.

01:02:36.520 They want to purchase rational thinking.

01:02:38.300 We can't allow that to happen.

01:02:40.500 Okay, from this episode,

01:02:42.480 Curbster writes,

01:02:43.160 I am praying that our girl is playing the ultimate long game

01:02:46.560 while staying true to her convictions

01:02:47.820 and true toward all of us

01:02:48.920 who have backed her and Charlie from the beginning.

01:02:51.140 I am praying that God keeps you strong,

01:02:52.740 righteous, and faithful in every step that you take.

01:02:55.140 May God save America and protect us all.

01:02:57.040 I want to say this to you guys just plainly.

01:03:00.600 If I was going to sell out,

01:03:02.780 it would have happened in the last two years, okay?

01:03:05.460 Those offers were made.

01:03:06.880 Those threats were made.

01:03:07.580 I hope you have seen what I have gone through

01:03:09.660 to keep myself, really.

01:03:12.060 I was fighting to stay me,

01:03:14.380 and it was hard,

01:03:15.760 and it made me really appreciate the fact

01:03:17.860 that we do live in a matrix,

01:03:18.880 and every element is controlled,

01:03:19.980 and that is why they are vicious right now

01:03:22.540 with making up things about me and my family,

01:03:24.200 because now that I chose freedom,

01:03:26.840 they hate that I have freedom.

01:03:28.000 They hate that there's no more threats to make, right?

01:03:30.300 So they're just embarking on this fan fiction campaign.

01:03:33.960 But especially for the people that I care about in life,

01:03:37.060 right?

01:03:37.720 Especially for people whose heads I have held up,

01:03:41.580 who have held up my head through really hard times

01:03:44.240 like Charlie did,

01:03:45.400 that I would just sell out to the highest bidder

01:03:47.660 and go, okay, well, you know,

01:03:49.640 what Bibi offered me a lot of money,

01:03:51.440 so I'm going to stop talking about this,

01:03:52.960 and I'm no longer going to explore this angle,

01:03:55.660 or I'm going to repeat to you guys,

01:03:57.320 it was definitely Tyler Robinson.

01:03:58.540 It's just not in my character.

01:04:00.600 I have always been the kind of person

01:04:03.080 that knows that it's not worth living life that way.

01:04:07.280 You just, my whole spirit would be corrupted.

01:04:09.260 I just, I couldn't do it.

01:04:10.760 I struggle with people that can do it.

01:04:12.680 I struggle seeing people

01:04:13.800 who have so obviously sold their souls on the internet.

01:04:17.400 It's very frustrating to watch it.

01:04:19.660 Central 848 writes,

01:04:21.000 Candice, please look into the possibility

01:04:22.340 that Charlie was electrocuted

01:04:23.600 and that the hole in his neck was made

01:04:25.480 by the currents passing through his necklace

01:04:27.380 and out of his throat.

01:04:28.660 The images of his charred hands

01:04:30.080 are conclusive and compelling.

01:04:32.340 Please, for the love of God, look into this.

01:04:33.860 I did watch that video

01:04:35.260 that Baron Coleman put together.

01:04:37.820 First and foremost, I want to say,

01:04:39.040 Baron Coleman has done some incredible work,

01:04:40.580 and I actually told him

01:04:41.400 that we should get together and collaborate

01:04:42.960 because I had watched a video of his

01:04:44.540 where he was building on Camp Huachuca,

01:04:46.200 and he made me notice some things,

01:04:48.120 so then we started researching some other elements,

01:04:50.100 and that's what we're going to move on to tomorrow.

01:04:51.240 I can tell you definitively,

01:04:53.380 that's a weird camera angle.

01:04:54.900 They do look charred in the photos that he showed,

01:04:56.780 but I can tell you that his hands were not charred

01:04:58.740 when he was buried,

01:04:59.700 and so what you thought,

01:05:00.640 like people were like,

01:05:01.280 oh, this was like makeup and stuff.

01:05:02.840 It was a very compelling theory.

01:05:04.360 It just wasn't so,

01:05:05.120 and I very much trust the person that told me that.

01:05:08.900 But that said,

01:05:10.720 the Baron Coleman,

01:05:11.400 if you have not seen the episode

01:05:12.420 where he builds on what I said about Camp Huachuca,

01:05:15.800 that is worth a watch.

01:05:17.640 He kind of suggests in that episode,

01:05:19.900 which I want to shut down,

01:05:21.020 he suggests that,

01:05:22.320 I think he heavily suggests

01:05:23.300 that it could have been the Veep on the base,

01:05:27.560 Vance on the base,

01:05:29.300 and I did then research,

01:05:30.580 because I was like,

01:05:30.880 oh, wow, wow, is he right?

01:05:32.440 There's actually video of Vance,

01:05:34.040 so it could not have been Vance on the base.

01:05:35.360 Again, I'm getting ahead of ourselves here.

01:05:36.800 We should talk about more of that tomorrow,

01:05:38.180 but that is a very compelling video that he did,

01:05:41.160 which was fantastic work,

01:05:42.180 and I do want to collaborate with him.

01:05:43.480 Maybe we'll do it this week or next week,

01:05:45.360 or next week, Christmas, I guess.

01:05:46.800 I don't know.

01:05:47.360 We'll figure it out.

01:05:48.840 Jenna writes,

01:05:49.880 your true fans had no doubts about you whatsoever.

01:05:52.240 Merry Christmas to you.

01:05:53.200 I was like, are you new here? 0.61

01:05:54.760 Girl, I have been maimed, fired, caricature.

01:05:58.420 I'm watching right now.

01:06:00.200 My family go through that right now

01:06:01.560 because they are so desperate,

01:06:02.580 and I just think we're close to an awakening

01:06:05.100 and really understanding what real evil is,

01:06:07.100 so we're going to keep pushing.

01:06:08.580 Zachary Loft writes,

01:06:09.680 long-time listener, first-time donor.

01:06:11.640 Why wasn't the convo live?

01:06:13.260 Why is Brandon Tatum the only creator

01:06:15.520 that you follow on both IGs?

01:06:16.820 That was two questions.

01:06:17.680 Okay, the first thing,

01:06:18.420 why wasn't the convo live?

01:06:19.660 It was first intended to be live.

01:06:21.340 They did say,

01:06:22.660 obviously, you saw the offer Blake Neff made,

01:06:24.600 which was not a true offer,

01:06:25.460 but then what came behind that

01:06:26.640 was Erica communicating with Megyn Kelly and me.

01:06:30.380 Megyn Kelly was kind of the intermediary. 0.94

01:06:32.040 We were trying to find someone that was fair,

01:06:33.880 like I said earlier,

01:06:34.740 and then obviously it sort of felt like

01:06:38.060 it got a bit uglier the next week,

01:06:40.640 and I sort of felt,

01:06:41.660 and I think it was fair,

01:06:42.920 that then she went on this press tour

01:06:44.520 and it was kind of directed at me,

01:06:46.000 so then they said,

01:06:47.940 okay, well, by that,

01:06:48.800 I mean Justin Strife kind of said,

01:06:50.360 the temperature's a little hot right now.

01:06:51.900 What about we do like an off,

01:06:53.620 not an off-record conversation,

01:06:54.660 but have a private conversation,

01:06:56.520 and I actually will say,

01:06:58.440 I wished it was live,

01:06:59.740 but I will also say,

01:07:00.900 I am glad that some parts weren't

01:07:03.120 because I was then able to tell them

01:07:04.720 some things that I have not yet said

01:07:06.820 that I wanted to like fact check

01:07:08.360 and get some answers on,

01:07:09.140 but also to say something to them

01:07:10.520 that I found out that I didn't say

01:07:12.640 because I didn't want to hurt the company

01:07:14.140 in a way, right?

01:07:15.100 So some of this is very relevant

01:07:16.640 to Charlie's research

01:07:17.680 and what happened on 9-10,

01:07:19.100 and some of it is not.

01:07:20.560 So we got to, I guess,

01:07:22.000 have a better,

01:07:23.320 that portion of the conversation

01:07:24.280 I think was better off-camera,

01:07:25.440 but I was always open

01:07:26.960 and am still open

01:07:28.760 to live streaming with them whenever,

01:07:31.260 truly, like whenever.

01:07:32.260 You guys know I'm an open,

01:07:33.120 so it wasn't my demand

01:07:34.700 that it be private.

01:07:35.260 I was happy to do a live stream,

01:07:36.600 but I think Justin thought

01:07:38.120 that it would be better if after,

01:07:39.960 just so we could kind of

01:07:40.660 bring the temperature down,

01:07:41.780 which I think was very much accomplished.

01:07:43.720 Temperature was definitely brought down.

01:07:45.480 Zachary Loft wrote,

01:07:46.380 long time listener for,

01:07:47.620 oh, sorry, I just read that.

01:07:48.820 Mr. Bruce Lee writes,

01:07:50.400 people in the chat,

01:07:51.700 many other channels

01:07:52.460 are not hearing what they want to hear,

01:07:53.900 so it's automatically,

01:07:54.860 well, Candace got paid. 1.00

01:07:56.280 The chats are so botted.

01:07:57.720 It's better to actually look at comments

01:08:00.720 after the episode

01:08:01.500 to see what people think.

01:08:03.040 We've had so many people talk about

01:08:04.400 how there are so many bots in the chat,

01:08:06.980 and so focus on,

01:08:09.000 obviously, the words that I am saying,

01:08:10.720 and obviously,

01:08:11.540 you can tell that I have not been paid

01:08:13.120 because I wouldn't be talking about Israel,

01:08:15.220 and I think there's something to explore there.

01:08:17.740 We'll get into that tomorrow.

01:08:18.920 One Will Wallace writes,

01:08:19.900 pretty clear to me that Kirk was murdered

01:08:21.140 because of his voice and influence.

01:08:22.620 Here's some support toward that security detail.

01:08:25.440 Thank you very much.

01:08:26.020 It's obvious that these people

01:08:27.080 will stop at nothing to silence someone.

01:08:29.220 Continue to stand 10 toes down for the truth,

01:08:31.160 but please be careful.

01:08:32.420 God bless you, Candace.

01:08:33.280 Thank you.

01:08:33.720 That is actually a tremendous donation.

01:08:35.020 Thank you for guys

01:08:35.460 who have been giving these donations,

01:08:36.820 which have gotten bigger

01:08:38.800 because you're concerned about security,

01:08:40.680 and I think everybody

01:08:41.900 after a Charlie Cook assassination

01:08:42.900 is more concerned about security.

01:08:44.640 It's a discussion that my husband

01:08:45.800 and I are having more and more,

01:08:46.960 and that's why it feels especially disgusting

01:08:48.700 when someone like Tim Pool

01:08:49.860 is trying to signal to people,

01:08:52.360 attack her.

01:08:53.160 He's basically trying to signal to people

01:08:55.400 that her security is weak

01:08:57.080 or she's using the same security as Charlie.

01:08:59.080 All of these things

01:09:00.100 like he is trying to put into the air

01:09:02.900 that he wants me to be attacked.

01:09:05.280 That's how I'm taking this

01:09:06.440 because why is he making my security

01:09:08.460 a theme on his show?

01:09:10.700 I don't trust that at all,

01:09:12.060 and I don't know what's guiding that.

01:09:13.840 Rio Bays writes,

01:09:15.100 how would Erica and the feds

01:09:16.280 not see those messages?

01:09:18.020 That makes zero sense to me.

01:09:19.120 I think you're referring to

01:09:20.060 the messages that Charlie got the night before.

01:09:23.740 Yeah, we didn't discuss

01:09:25.040 whether the feds had received those messages.

01:09:26.720 I will say that.

01:09:27.540 We did not discuss that.

01:09:29.120 But we did discuss,

01:09:30.740 she obviously said

01:09:31.580 that she did not see those messages.

01:09:34.340 So I'm going to read the rest of your comment.

01:09:35.880 How would Erica and the feds

01:09:37.140 not see those messages?

01:09:37.960 That makes zero sense.

01:09:39.000 Erica, Brian Harpole,

01:09:40.320 and so many others caught in these lies.

01:09:42.700 This is what you fished for.

01:09:44.680 Why go soft?

01:09:45.780 That doesn't make sense.

01:09:46.860 Also heard that we are chilling

01:09:48.760 with TPUSA members at Tucker's party.

01:09:50.500 That's another more fan fiction.

01:09:52.260 I have no idea what that was about.

01:09:53.840 You're referring to a person

01:09:54.860 who went and said

01:09:55.860 that Candace was hanging out 0.97

01:09:57.640 with TPUSA and Tucker

01:09:59.880 and Marjorie Taylor Greene

01:10:01.780 at Tucker's Christmas party.

01:10:03.460 To my knowledge,

01:10:04.520 I did not see any Turning Point USA employees.

01:10:06.740 I did not have a conversation

01:10:07.540 with any Turning Point USA employees.

01:10:08.960 To my knowledge,

01:10:09.760 that I did not see them.

01:10:10.800 It's a massive party.

01:10:11.640 I had never had beef with Tucker.

01:10:13.240 That's why I was at a Christmas party

01:10:14.620 and I've never had beef

01:10:15.760 with Marjorie Taylor Greene.

01:10:16.780 So yeah, I spoke to them.

01:10:17.660 I didn't, that's what I mean.

01:10:18.560 It's like the attacks are just

01:10:19.580 every second of every day

01:10:21.180 accusing me of something

01:10:22.120 and the implication there

01:10:23.240 was like I was like sitting

01:10:24.680 on the side laughing

01:10:26.340 and enjoying a beer

01:10:28.600 with Terrell Farnsworth

01:10:29.760 and Tyler Boyer.

01:10:31.780 I am sure,

01:10:33.200 because Tucker obviously

01:10:34.380 has a good relationship with them,

01:10:35.820 that there were some

01:10:36.740 Turning Point USA employees.

01:10:37.860 I didn't speak to them.

01:10:40.020 I didn't speak to them.

01:10:41.220 To my knowledge,

01:10:41.900 I did not speak to them.

01:10:42.520 So I said,

01:10:43.280 I actually responded

01:10:43.960 and I said to the person,

01:10:44.960 why don't you publish

01:10:46.280 who you're talking about?

01:10:47.040 You don't have to like,

01:10:47.680 everyone's like beating around the bush.

01:10:48.940 Like I can't say

01:10:50.240 what I know about her security.

01:10:51.400 Say it because you're lying.

01:10:53.360 Okay?

01:10:53.840 If you say you know something

01:10:55.300 about how I'm actually

01:10:56.500 secretly laughing

01:10:57.460 with Turning Point USA,

01:10:59.060 speak plainly.

01:11:00.040 I have nothing to hide.

01:11:01.320 I am not the person

01:11:03.000 who's playing any games right now.

01:11:05.040 So if you're going to call me out,

01:11:07.120 go all the way.

01:11:08.300 Okay?

01:11:08.680 Go max on calling me out

01:11:10.160 because if I'm a fraud,

01:11:11.440 the public sure as hell

01:11:12.840 deserves to know it.

01:11:14.280 And you're not going to find me

01:11:15.640 in a situation like that.

01:11:18.160 Isabella Mazzone writes,

01:11:19.840 can you elaborate more about Charlie

01:11:21.180 and his journey to Catholicism?

01:11:22.480 Did Erica confirm that?

01:11:23.660 I am going through a journey

01:11:24.600 with Catholicism as well.

01:11:25.600 And I think that they should be honest about that.

01:11:27.840 Look, obviously Erica confirmed it.

01:11:30.680 I was always telling the truth.

01:11:31.800 And I was,

01:11:32.880 that was one of the first things I said.

01:11:34.340 I was like,

01:11:34.600 what was that weird Alex Clark thing?

01:11:36.240 I was being attacked for no reason.

01:11:37.660 And then I get these people doubling down on it.

01:11:39.220 And I know that they know that it's true

01:11:40.380 that Charlie was going to mass.

01:11:41.940 And I can't speak on

01:11:43.760 whether he was close to converting.

01:11:45.380 That's a conversation,

01:11:46.240 like you said,

01:11:46.780 Erica can speak on that.

01:11:48.040 And there might be a time

01:11:48.720 and a place for her to do that. 0.81

01:11:50.140 I can only speak on the fact

01:11:51.060 that I wasn't lying

01:11:51.840 and that I was having

01:11:53.220 those conversations with him

01:11:54.240 when he was attending mass.

01:11:55.620 And I do think

01:11:57.740 from what I've been told

01:11:59.720 that he was planning

01:12:00.660 on signing up

01:12:03.420 and starting that process.

01:12:05.320 But I did not personally

01:12:06.900 have that conversation with him.

01:12:08.180 So that's third party.

01:12:09.460 The right person

01:12:10.280 to speak about that

01:12:11.920 would be Erica.

01:12:12.460 And I do,

01:12:13.120 I do think she should.

01:12:14.060 I think she should

01:12:14.760 because nobody was nastier to me

01:12:18.040 than the Judeo-Christians, 0.79

01:12:20.420 the evangelical crowd,

01:12:21.860 because I told the truth

01:12:23.340 about conversations

01:12:24.260 that I had with Charlie

01:12:24.860 about Catholicism.

01:12:25.860 And none of them

01:12:26.520 corrected the record.

01:12:27.280 None of them said,

01:12:27.680 I'm sorry.

01:12:28.080 None of them said,

01:12:28.500 I didn't know

01:12:28.680 what I was speaking about.

01:12:29.480 They just kind of doubled

01:12:31.020 and tripled down

01:12:32.080 on attacking me,

01:12:34.320 which is a repeat theme.

01:12:35.180 I am always being attacked

01:12:36.120 for telling the truth

01:12:36.720 and I just keep telling the truth.

01:12:38.400 So, yeah.

01:12:40.220 What's the lie?

01:12:41.040 Where is the lie?

01:12:41.720 Where is the lie?

01:12:43.540 Lastly, Lamp writes,

01:12:46.060 how come Qatar 0.85

01:12:46.700 is always used

01:12:47.800 as the go-to punching bag

01:12:49.100 by the media?

01:12:50.120 Why does Qatar

01:12:50.720 never even push back

01:12:51.900 and Qatar seems

01:12:52.540 to never attack Israel

01:12:53.560 in a war of aggression

01:12:54.680 or any sort of attack?

01:12:56.020 Have they ever even done

01:12:57.260 anything negative

01:12:58.300 toward Israel?

01:12:59.320 Well, you know,

01:12:59.620 Qatar recently came out

01:13:00.520 and said,

01:13:01.420 yeah, we work with Hamas 1.00

01:13:02.600 because Israel

01:13:03.240 and the United States

01:13:03.840 asked us to.

01:13:05.100 They asked us

01:13:05.920 to play the intermediary

01:13:07.100 and now we are being attacked

01:13:08.980 for doing what they asked us to do,

01:13:10.580 which sounds like

01:13:11.160 the most absolute

01:13:12.520 United States-Israel thing ever

01:13:14.600 is to ask people to help you

01:13:16.320 and then to be like,

01:13:17.160 oh, I'm so horrified

01:13:18.520 by what they're doing

01:13:19.360 and I tend to believe that.

01:13:20.780 I don't understand

01:13:21.420 the weird Qatar thing.

01:13:22.800 Like I said,

01:13:23.460 I would take Qatari money.

01:13:25.320 I would.

01:13:26.420 They haven't called me.

01:13:27.820 It's deeply upsetting.

01:13:28.520 I don't understand

01:13:28.920 what I'm doing wrong,

01:13:29.540 what I'm getting wrong,

01:13:30.080 what I can do better

01:13:30.840 to make them call me.

01:13:32.380 I would be totally

01:13:33.720 one of those people

01:13:34.580 that's in the commercials.

01:13:35.540 Have you seen like

01:13:36.080 Qatari Airlines

01:13:36.680 is supposed to be amazing,

01:13:37.620 apparently.

01:13:39.060 And I would,

01:13:40.300 I'd be in a commercial

01:13:41.040 for Qatari Airlines.

01:13:42.300 I don't mind somebody

01:13:43.140 making that NAI video

01:13:45.020 and maybe sending that over

01:13:47.020 to the Qatari embassy

01:13:48.520 and seeing if they want

01:13:49.300 to hire me.

01:13:49.960 I am open

01:13:50.980 to being paid by Qatar.

01:13:53.720 So I don't,

01:13:54.620 I don't get it.

01:13:55.120 I don't know why

01:13:55.740 Jared Kushner

01:13:56.920 and Zionists 0.99

01:13:57.640 are allowed to go to Qatar

01:13:58.680 which happened recently

01:13:59.740 and do deals with them.

01:14:01.100 But for some reason

01:14:01.660 Candace and Tucker

01:14:02.300 are not.

01:14:04.260 It's just not fair.

01:14:05.580 What do I have to do

01:14:06.340 to be seen by Qatar?

01:14:07.920 And I guess it's a question

01:14:08.700 for another day.

01:14:09.740 We'll see you guys tomorrow.

01:14:10.540 We'll see you tomorrow.

Candace Owens - December 17, 2025

Erika And I Sat Down. Here’s What Happened. ｜ Candace Ep 280

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