Actress Candace Candace Cameron Bure joins Jemele to discuss her upcoming retrial in the L.A. case, and why she thinks Harvey Weinstein should have received a fair trial. She also talks about why she believes Bill Cosby should get a retrial.
00:03:32.100I said you were wrongfully convicted before it got overturned.
00:03:35.180And I believe you are wrongfully accused, not just in the New York case, but also in the L.A. case, which my audience is now up to date on.
00:03:41.820You know, Harvey, I obviously, because I very much agree with you, I think you are immoral and what you did was wrong, but you did not do anything that came close to what you were accused of under the law.
00:03:53.640I just want to just ask you, what is it like to go from someone who commanded so much power amongst politicians and amongst celebrities and athletes?
00:04:04.140And overnight, virtually none of those people stood up for you or said, hey, I don't believe that this is right.
00:04:13.880It's shocking, you know, the friends that stayed with me were my friends that I grew up with.
00:04:20.720The people that I knew before I was famous, before I had power, the people in my life who were steadfast all through my life were the ones who remain loyal.
00:05:35.100They are frightened that they're going to be canceled, that they're not going to be able to work.
00:05:39.700You know, I try to get, you know, my, you know, people to stand up and even testify in the trial.
00:05:46.320You know, and nothing, you know, nothing.
00:05:50.980And jumping into that, by the way, some of the names, there were people who I think remained silent for that reason that you're saying is they were fearful of being canceled.
00:05:58.740But some people took it upon themselves to come out and actually condemn you and to say awful things about you.
00:06:04.360And people, the media was obsessed with speaking about Gwyneth Paltrow.
00:06:10.640She went on Howard Stern and basically made a very strong statement against you and said that Brad Pitt had to effectively rescue her from you and stand up to you because you made her feel so uncomfortable.
00:06:24.080We had one instance in a hotel room where he tried to, where he made a pass at me.
00:06:31.520And then I really kind of stood up to him.
00:07:07.100He said, if you ever make her feel uncomfortable again, I'll kill you or something like that.
00:07:14.880It's a complete fabrication, you know, about my relationship with Gwyneth.
00:07:21.100You know, I'm going to talk about it and just say that I had a meeting with her, you know, she originally was scheduled to do Woody Allen's.
00:08:22.820We made 11 movies together, classic films, Shakespeare in Love, Talented Mr. Ripley, Sliding Doors, just so many great movies and such a great partnership.
00:08:34.280And now I heard, you know, that she thought the relationship was abusive.
00:08:38.480Anybody who was there who witnessed that relationship, it just turned into total friends.
00:08:44.820There's pictures of her hugging me when I was sick, when I was sick in the hospital and didn't think I was going to make it in 1999.
00:08:56.520Gwyneth at the Golden Globe said, bomber, we miss you.
00:09:00.000She got up and made a speech about me.
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00:10:40.140Every time I ask you a question about the actress, you tell me exactly what happened.
00:10:43.440And it's interesting because what you're speaking about was what I always found to be problematic about the Me Too movement from the beginning.
00:10:50.320Is we're conflating, he made a pass at me and I didn't like it.
00:12:31.160And I think that was one of the things that stunned me is that they didn't report a lot of this stuff in the press.
00:12:35.740And when I looked at this case and I said, if you're a journalist and you're just interested in anything, why would you leave out these big details?
00:12:44.460The things that the court was not allowing to be shown as proof of your innocence in the courtrooms were something that also stunned me, particularly involving the L.A. case, which I fully expect to similarly be overturned.
00:12:57.560But it definitely looked like the Me Too movement got so big that they needed to say sort of hang somebody.
00:13:04.060You know, somebody's got to die so that we can move on and think that we've achieved social justice.
00:13:08.840And I think that that somebody was definitely you.
00:13:13.880You know, they wanted me and they wanted me in jail forever.
00:13:17.300Yeah. And it's it's quite stunning because I think now and maybe you recognize this, the Me Too movement is on its way out if it's not officially gone now and people are willing to sort of look and examine the facts of this case.
00:13:32.240And I'm wondering if a lot of these celebrities, I'll just give you an example here.
00:13:35.560Seth Rogen came out when things were happening between you, happening with you.
00:13:39.840And he said, I believe all women coming forward about Harvey Weinstein's sexual harassment.
00:13:44.600It took bravery to do so. Such a blanket statement to just say, I believe all women.
00:13:48.880That was kind of what was being said in 2017 and 2018.
00:14:48.500Yeah. And look, a lot of these people, I think it was step on his head while he's drowning and it will help you.
00:14:54.220And I'm sure their PR agents were saying, you don't want to get caught up in this.
00:14:57.800Make the right statement or you're going to get burned by this.
00:15:01.440But like I said, some people took it, I think, a bit further.
00:15:04.780You and I had discussed, and I don't know if we're willing to talk about this, but, you know, Brad Pitt kind of got involved in a Me Too project after this.
00:15:10.740Kind of got involved in a Me Too movie, so to speak, helping to produce one.
00:15:15.900And you and him had a very close relationship.
00:15:19.000Well, I wouldn't say it was close, but it certainly was friendly.
00:15:22.540And I guess his company produced She Said, the New York Times writers, and they produced the movie.
00:15:31.340And I can, you know, you know, I just when it came out, you know, obviously I was concerned, but it bombed so badly.
00:15:42.600It was a $30 million movie, something like that.
00:15:45.540Or maybe that between advertising and the cost of the film.
00:15:49.700And the movie grossed two and a half million dollars its opening weekend, which is disaster.
00:15:55.380I think it went on to gross four or five million dollars.
00:15:58.460So maybe it showed there's no interest in me, but there certainly was no interest in the case.
00:16:03.280And the New York Times, you know, those writers, I have read something that is so explosive and such a bombshell that a young writer named Clark Patterson, conservative, you know,
00:16:19.100with the guts to write an article about what happened to me at the New York Times, a detailed point by point article showing that there was no reporting that they were taking dictation.
00:16:33.440When they said she said they meant it, she said, we wrote it down.
00:17:48.720I was just holding her hand, pushing her into the party, you know, bringing her in.
00:17:53.600But, you know, but Diane Sawyer and those people at that time, you believed it because everybody believed those people, you know, at that moment.
00:18:05.060You know, the New York Times believed no research, no research whatsoever.
00:18:09.960I hope this article blows the whole place up, you know, and and and and that the Pulitzer Prize people reconsider.
00:18:20.580You know, Harvey, I think it's perhaps more sinister than you even think, because this is we're similarly following a case with Blake Lively.
00:18:29.380And it is a case of she said the New York Times, I think even worse than that, they wanted to go after this guy.
00:18:37.860They had friends at the New York Times, the exact same woman who won a Pulitzer.
00:18:42.400One of the three people who won a Pulitzer for taking you down, Megan Toohey, was the one who wrote this piece about Justin Baldoni.
00:18:48.300And I when we got the full details, gratefully, Brian Friedman, and this would have been my legal strategy had I have been your lawyer, just dropped every possible detail for the public to be able to read.
00:19:01.440It is I think personally there should be laws.
00:19:04.760A journalist should have to go to prison.
00:19:05.880I mean, if you're putting people in prison on the basis of what you write, it just would follow to me that somebody would have to suffer the consequence of lying.
00:19:15.500These are lies by omission and painting people as, you know, sexual harassers or worse than that, rapists because you're maybe doing a solid for your friend, which is what it's looking like.
00:19:26.900The New York Times was doing for Blake Lively and Ryan and perhaps bigger people behind them.
00:19:33.140Have you considered the angle, Harvey, that these are big bosses, WME bosses are the people who want to buy a piece of your company?
00:19:52.240I think, you know, with The New York Times, you know, I think the relationship was always rocky because I wanted, you know, I mean, The New York Times to cover the things that I wanted.
00:20:04.260And I wanted The New York Times not to cover some of the things, too.
00:20:08.660So it was a back and forth relationship.
00:20:10.920And I, you know, on one level, I had a great relationship, you know, with the owner.
00:20:15.740But the owner of the paper, you know, has a firewall between him and the editorial.
00:20:21.160My, you know, there were editorial back and forth.
00:20:24.000I guess they didn't like me and they wanted me.
00:20:41.220I mean, I barely looked at this case before I realized something was very wrong.
00:20:44.680And I thought you were guilty, by the way.
00:20:46.560When you and I first got on the phone, I just said, I don't even remember what he was in prison for.
00:20:51.280But there were so many articles that surely somebody did the due diligence and noticed that he was guilty or confirmed that.
00:20:58.740And it was, I mean, an hour reading into these transcripts.
00:21:02.460And I went, what what's going on here?
00:21:04.360Well, this young man, Clark Patterson, has a detailed article coming out, which will detail piece by piece, you know, every name, every story, every everything that they did and everything they didn't do as reporters.