Candace Owens - May 20, 2025


Harvey Speaks： Harvey Weinstein’s On-Camera Interview


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Actress Candace Candace Cameron Bure joins Jemele to discuss her upcoming retrial in the L.A. case, and why she thinks Harvey Weinstein should have received a fair trial. She also talks about why she believes Bill Cosby should get a retrial.

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00:00:30.000 I just wanted to say that I'm not angry, but I'm angry at the system.
00:00:54.540 You know, my situation was transactional, you know, looking back at it.
00:00:59.400 And I want to thank you, Candace, for giving me the opportunity to speak.
00:01:04.040 I just want to say something very clearly.
00:01:06.660 I believe women should be heard, but I'm wrongfully convicted.
00:01:11.020 You know what I mean?
00:01:11.680 And right now, I'm not convicted.
00:01:13.960 I'm on a retrial.
00:01:15.040 An appeal overturned my conviction.
00:01:19.400 But justice demands a clear, honest look at each case.
00:01:23.240 And I am here for fairness and the truth.
00:01:27.000 You know what I mean?
00:01:27.520 You know, I made mistakes.
00:01:29.120 There's no question about it.
00:01:30.720 I hurt my family.
00:01:32.280 I hurt my friends.
00:01:33.380 I cheated on my wife, and that was a mistake, you know, a terrible mistake.
00:01:39.100 And I apologize to friends, family, and all the innocent people who inadvertently I hurt,
00:01:45.240 and especially to the Messick family, Jill Messick and her family.
00:01:48.960 But I did not commit these crimes.
00:01:51.920 I swear that before God and the people watching now and on my family.
00:01:56.480 I'm wrongfully accused.
00:01:58.540 But justice has to know the difference between what is immoral and what is illegal.
00:02:03.660 So, people would say my complainants, you know, I just, okay, I'm getting emotional.
00:02:15.960 Everyone deserves a fair trial.
00:02:18.520 Media doesn't favor me.
00:02:20.500 But thanks to you, Candace, there's a voice out there, and Joe Rogan,
00:02:25.140 and uses every opportunity, the mainstream media, to discredit me.
00:02:29.540 But I speak for innocent people.
00:02:31.460 So, justice has to matter.
00:02:34.780 Evidence has to matter.
00:02:36.320 I've lost everything.
00:02:38.240 You know what I mean?
00:02:38.660 I've lost everything a man can lose.
00:02:40.620 But still, the truth matters.
00:02:42.420 I've been condemned of crimes I did not commit.
00:02:45.680 I understand why people want someone to blame, but I am telling the truth.
00:02:52.580 End of statement.
00:02:55.600 End of glasses.
00:02:56.720 And they allowed me to wear a suit today, you know, as opposed to the last time I was in my T-shirt and pajamas.
00:03:07.300 So, they wanted me to wear a suit.
00:03:09.140 So, here it is.
00:03:10.720 Well, you look like you're hanging in there.
00:03:12.420 And I got to tell you, since you've been in there, the media world has changed.
00:03:15.660 Definitely, I think, a world that you had a lot of power in.
00:03:18.360 You can see the landscape has changed.
00:03:19.980 And it's a good thing because podcasters like me can have a platform to take a look at situations like yours.
00:03:25.740 And, you know, my audience is very aware of my opinion on this case.
00:03:29.340 I've been very clear about that.
00:03:30.420 I don't find a reason to lie.
00:03:32.100 I said you were wrongfully convicted before it got overturned.
00:03:35.180 And I believe you are wrongfully accused, not just in the New York case, but also in the L.A. case, which my audience is now up to date on.
00:03:41.820 You know, Harvey, I obviously, because I very much agree with you, I think you are immoral and what you did was wrong, but you did not do anything that came close to what you were accused of under the law.
00:03:53.640 I just want to just ask you, what is it like to go from someone who commanded so much power amongst politicians and amongst celebrities and athletes?
00:04:04.140 And overnight, virtually none of those people stood up for you or said, hey, I don't believe that this is right.
00:04:13.880 It's shocking, you know, the friends that stayed with me were my friends that I grew up with.
00:04:20.720 The people that I knew before I was famous, before I had power, the people in my life who were steadfast all through my life were the ones who remain loyal.
00:04:33.520 Everybody was scared.
00:04:35.600 You know, this looked like, you know, a witch hunt.
00:04:38.860 Everybody was scared for themselves.
00:04:41.160 Everybody was scared to be canceled.
00:04:43.660 You know, somehow, you know, I wish this would have happened to somebody else because I had the courage.
00:04:50.380 To have fought on somebody else's behalf.
00:04:55.100 But nobody fought on mine.
00:04:56.880 You know, Harvey, I have a long list of people who came out against you, but a very short list of who actually spoke out for you.
00:05:03.180 One person in particular, which is quite stunning, a guy by the name of Luciano Garrignani, an Italian director.
00:05:09.700 He wore a homemade T-shirt in support of you in 2018 that said that you were not guilty.
00:05:16.380 That was the only person that I could find that vocally supported you when all of the heat was coming down on you in 2018.
00:05:23.260 He's a terrific director.
00:05:25.980 And that's I'm very much appreciated.
00:05:30.160 But the people who support me are scared to talk.
00:05:33.160 They are frightened to death.
00:05:35.100 They are frightened that they're going to be canceled, that they're not going to be able to work.
00:05:39.700 You know, I try to get, you know, my, you know, people to stand up and even testify in the trial.
00:05:46.320 You know, and nothing, you know, nothing.
00:05:50.980 And jumping into that, by the way, some of the names, there were people who I think remained silent for that reason that you're saying is they were fearful of being canceled.
00:05:58.740 But some people took it upon themselves to come out and actually condemn you and to say awful things about you.
00:06:04.360 And people, the media was obsessed with speaking about Gwyneth Paltrow.
00:06:09.780 I don't know if you know this.
00:06:10.640 She went on Howard Stern and basically made a very strong statement against you and said that Brad Pitt had to effectively rescue her from you and stand up to you because you made her feel so uncomfortable.
00:06:24.080 We had one instance in a hotel room where he tried to, where he made a pass at me.
00:06:31.520 And then I really kind of stood up to him.
00:06:35.200 I told my boyfriend at the time.
00:06:37.600 Brad Pitt.
00:06:38.000 Brad Pitt.
00:06:38.940 We were at a, um, the opening of Hamlet on Broadway that Ralph Fiennes was in Hamlet and Harvey was there and Brad Pitt.
00:06:47.820 It was like the equivalent of throwing him against the wall, you know, energetically.
00:06:51.800 What he did was he leveraged his fame and power to protect me at a time when I didn't have fame or power yet.
00:07:01.100 Right.
00:07:01.740 Wow.
00:07:02.640 It moves you.
00:07:03.980 Yeah.
00:07:04.580 It was, it was fantastic. 0.99
00:07:07.100 He said, if you ever make her feel uncomfortable again, I'll kill you or something like that. 0.96
00:07:14.880 It's a complete fabrication, you know, about my relationship with Gwyneth.
00:07:21.100 You know, I'm going to talk about it and just say that I had a meeting with her, you know, she originally was scheduled to do Woody Allen's.
00:07:31.180 Everyone says, I love you.
00:07:32.740 Thank God I was distributing that movie as well.
00:07:36.000 And I managed to substitute Drew Barrymore for Gwyneth so that Gwyneth could play Emma.
00:07:42.120 And I, Woody Allen did us a real favor by doing that because we were scheduled to shoot Emma and I wanted Gwyneth for the role.
00:07:50.220 At the end of the meeting, we had a glass of champagne.
00:07:53.440 I, as I was walking out the door, I said to her, I'd love you to give me a massage. 0.63
00:07:59.080 And she went, yeah.
00:08:00.440 And, you know, that was it.
00:08:02.800 I didn't put my hand on her.
00:08:04.340 I didn't touch her.
00:08:05.500 I definitely made a pass, I guess, you know, you could call it that.
00:08:09.880 But that was the sum total of that situation.
00:08:14.660 She did have Brad call me and Brad, very manly, very cool.
00:08:20.000 Just said, don't do that again.
00:08:21.780 And that was that.
00:08:22.820 We made 11 movies together, classic films, Shakespeare in Love, Talented Mr. Ripley, Sliding Doors, just so many great movies and such a great partnership.
00:08:34.280 And now I heard, you know, that she thought the relationship was abusive.
00:08:38.480 Anybody who was there who witnessed that relationship, it just turned into total friends.
00:08:44.820 There's pictures of her hugging me when I was sick, when I was sick in the hospital and didn't think I was going to make it in 1999.
00:08:56.520 Gwyneth at the Golden Globe said, bomber, we miss you.
00:09:00.000 She got up and made a speech about me. 1.00
00:09:02.480 Nobody asked her to do that.
00:09:04.820 In her Academy speech, she thanks me.
00:09:07.200 She's the daughter of a wealthy TV producer, a great man, and Blythe Danner, a great actress, with Steven Spielberg as her godfather.
00:09:17.860 She doesn't have to do it.
00:09:19.120 She could have just said, Harvey asked me for a massage. 0.92
00:09:21.520 I'm never working for him again.
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00:10:31.860 Right.
00:10:32.700 And that's one of the things that I was very compelled in speaking with you.
00:10:36.220 And obviously, you and I have spoken many times off record.
00:10:39.020 You're very honest.
00:10:40.140 Every time I ask you a question about the actress, you tell me exactly what happened.
00:10:43.440 And it's interesting because what you're speaking about was what I always found to be problematic about the Me Too movement from the beginning.
00:10:50.320 Is we're conflating, he made a pass at me and I didn't like it.
00:10:54.140 Right.
00:10:54.740 Or, you know, I turned him down. 0.97
00:10:57.000 Or maybe I had a bad date with someone with rape.
00:11:00.300 And this is very problematic.
00:11:02.500 And sure, she can say that.
00:11:04.280 I didn't like that he made a pass at me.
00:11:05.880 But to jump on a train when people are saying, I've been raped, I think it's irresponsible for women to do that. 0.99
00:11:12.760 I really do think it's irresponsible for people to be conflating being hit on and not liking it, which you've admitted to. 0.98
00:11:19.420 And I've been raped. 0.98
00:11:20.880 No question about it. 0.92
00:11:23.780 It's all conflated and it's all led to the idea that I am going to be the one they prosecute.
00:11:30.640 I am going to be the one they persecute.
00:11:33.320 Look, when the case was overturned, they could have dropped it, but they didn't.
00:11:37.860 You know, they just went after me one more time and added somebody to it.
00:11:43.380 But, you know, I can't talk about the case.
00:11:45.520 I can just, you know, talk to you about the things that you need to talk to me about.
00:11:51.860 Right.
00:11:52.060 And I totally understand that.
00:11:53.260 I'm not going to push you on that because that's probably what you're doing.
00:11:55.680 But one thing I do want to say is I've asked to have lie detector tests brought into the prison.
00:12:02.200 And I already took a lie detector test on Jessica Mann.
00:12:05.580 And I scored in the highest level, you know, that one can do for honesty about not sexually assaulting her or raping her.
00:12:13.020 You know, and I want to do lie detector tests on the others.
00:12:16.520 I know they're not admissible, but I want the world to know that I did that.
00:12:21.020 And I hope the women would just take me up on the challenge and say, OK, we'll do it, too. 1.00
00:12:27.340 But I doubt they will.
00:12:28.940 But I will.
00:12:30.980 Yeah.
00:12:31.160 And I think that was one of the things that stunned me is that they didn't report a lot of this stuff in the press.
00:12:35.740 And when I looked at this case and I said, if you're a journalist and you're just interested in anything, why would you leave out these big details?
00:12:42.240 He passed a lie detector test.
00:12:44.460 The things that the court was not allowing to be shown as proof of your innocence in the courtrooms were something that also stunned me, particularly involving the L.A. case, which I fully expect to similarly be overturned.
00:12:57.560 But it definitely looked like the Me Too movement got so big that they needed to say sort of hang somebody.
00:13:04.060 You know, somebody's got to die so that we can move on and think that we've achieved social justice. 0.55
00:13:08.840 And I think that that somebody was definitely you.
00:13:12.200 A hundred percent.
00:13:13.880 You know, they wanted me and they wanted me in jail forever.
00:13:17.300 Yeah. And it's it's quite stunning because I think now and maybe you recognize this, the Me Too movement is on its way out if it's not officially gone now and people are willing to sort of look and examine the facts of this case.
00:13:32.240 And I'm wondering if a lot of these celebrities, I'll just give you an example here.
00:13:35.560 Seth Rogen came out when things were happening between you, happening with you.
00:13:39.840 And he said, I believe all women coming forward about Harvey Weinstein's sexual harassment.
00:13:44.600 It took bravery to do so. Such a blanket statement to just say, I believe all women.
00:13:48.880 That was kind of what was being said in 2017 and 2018.
00:13:52.900 Like women have never told a lie. 0.94
00:13:55.720 You know, I can, you know, Seth, you know, and I made a movie together called Zack and Miri Make a Porno.
00:14:03.880 It was a Kevin Smith film and it didn't do well.
00:14:07.620 And I think, you know, sometimes you blame the producer or the distributor.
00:14:12.900 And in this case, they blame me.
00:14:15.980 And it was a good movie.
00:14:17.680 And I wish I could have marketed it better, but I couldn't find the handle on it.
00:14:22.180 And so I think there was never there was always animosity between Seth and myself.
00:14:28.640 So given the opportunity, he took a shot at me.
00:14:31.820 And, you know, so be it.
00:14:33.940 But I hear he's doing great work on this.
00:14:36.500 You know, I read about, you know, that he's doing amazing work on this TV series he has called The Studio.
00:14:43.300 And he's an extremely talented individual.
00:14:46.240 But, you know, I was a sitting duck.
00:14:48.500 Yeah. And look, a lot of these people, I think it was step on his head while he's drowning and it will help you.
00:14:54.220 And I'm sure their PR agents were saying, you don't want to get caught up in this.
00:14:57.800 Make the right statement or you're going to get burned by this.
00:15:01.440 But like I said, some people took it, I think, a bit further.
00:15:04.780 You and I had discussed, and I don't know if we're willing to talk about this, but, you know, Brad Pitt kind of got involved in a Me Too project after this.
00:15:10.740 Kind of got involved in a Me Too movie, so to speak, helping to produce one.
00:15:15.900 And you and him had a very close relationship.
00:15:19.000 Well, I wouldn't say it was close, but it certainly was friendly.
00:15:22.540 And I guess his company produced She Said, the New York Times writers, and they produced the movie.
00:15:31.340 And I can, you know, you know, I just when it came out, you know, obviously I was concerned, but it bombed so badly.
00:15:39.660 There was no interest in it.
00:15:41.280 It grossed two and a half million.
00:15:42.600 It was a $30 million movie, something like that.
00:15:45.540 Or maybe that between advertising and the cost of the film.
00:15:49.700 And the movie grossed two and a half million dollars its opening weekend, which is disaster.
00:15:55.380 I think it went on to gross four or five million dollars.
00:15:58.460 So maybe it showed there's no interest in me, but there certainly was no interest in the case.
00:16:03.280 And the New York Times, you know, those writers, I have read something that is so explosive and such a bombshell that a young writer named Clark Patterson, conservative, you know,
00:16:19.100 with the guts to write an article about what happened to me at the New York Times, a detailed point by point article showing that there was no reporting that they were taking dictation.
00:16:33.440 When they said she said they meant it, she said, we wrote it down.
00:16:38.740 We never checked it.
00:16:40.340 Rose McGowan said, you know, I donated money to an organization.
00:16:46.120 They never checked, you know, that she did that.
00:16:49.580 You know, they never checked, you know, these different things and followed up and did the research before they wrote the article. 0.93
00:16:58.820 Well, Ashley Judd's claims are, you know, ridiculous. 0.78
00:17:03.720 I stood in a hotel room. 0.84
00:17:05.660 I never touched her, came on to her, nothing ever.
00:17:10.220 You know, I fought for her.
00:17:11.880 They said I banned her on a movie. 0.98
00:17:14.040 I fought for her on Good Will Hunting and I lost that battle.
00:17:17.480 I thought she would have been fabulous in that movie and I think she would have gotten an Oscar nomination.
00:17:23.340 But, you know, people forget all it is is research.
00:17:27.200 There's an article in the Washington Post.
00:17:30.100 If you Google Ashley Judd and Harvey Weinstein and said that Ashley Judd gushed all over me at the English patient Oscar party.
00:17:40.520 There's a picture of me holding her hand.
00:17:43.480 And when she went on TV, she said, see, he's pulling me.
00:17:47.460 He's pulling me.
00:17:48.720 I was just holding her hand, pushing her into the party, you know, bringing her in.
00:17:53.600 But, you know, but Diane Sawyer and those people at that time, you believed it because everybody believed those people, you know, at that moment.
00:18:05.060 You know, the New York Times believed no research, no research whatsoever.
00:18:09.960 I hope this article blows the whole place up, you know, and and and and that the Pulitzer Prize people reconsider.
00:18:20.580 You know, Harvey, I think it's perhaps more sinister than you even think, because this is we're similarly following a case with Blake Lively.
00:18:29.380 And it is a case of she said the New York Times, I think even worse than that, they wanted to go after this guy.
00:18:37.860 They had friends at the New York Times, the exact same woman who won a Pulitzer.
00:18:42.400 One of the three people who won a Pulitzer for taking you down, Megan Toohey, was the one who wrote this piece about Justin Baldoni.
00:18:48.300 And I when we got the full details, gratefully, Brian Friedman, and this would have been my legal strategy had I have been your lawyer, just dropped every possible detail for the public to be able to read.
00:19:01.440 It is I think personally there should be laws.
00:19:04.760 A journalist should have to go to prison.
00:19:05.880 I mean, if you're putting people in prison on the basis of what you write, it just would follow to me that somebody would have to suffer the consequence of lying.
00:19:15.500 These are lies by omission and painting people as, you know, sexual harassers or worse than that, rapists because you're maybe doing a solid for your friend, which is what it's looking like.
00:19:26.900 The New York Times was doing for Blake Lively and Ryan and perhaps bigger people behind them.
00:19:33.140 Have you considered the angle, Harvey, that these are big bosses, WME bosses are the people who want to buy a piece of your company?
00:19:41.400 Have you made somebody angry?
00:19:42.760 I think that there might have been something more behind the takedown of you because I can't comprehend it.
00:19:48.500 It just doesn't make sense to me.
00:19:50.880 Well, I don't know.
00:19:52.240 I think, you know, with The New York Times, you know, I think the relationship was always rocky because I wanted, you know, I mean, The New York Times to cover the things that I wanted.
00:20:04.260 And I wanted The New York Times not to cover some of the things, too.
00:20:08.660 So it was a back and forth relationship.
00:20:10.920 And I, you know, on one level, I had a great relationship, you know, with the owner.
00:20:15.740 But the owner of the paper, you know, has a firewall between him and the editorial.
00:20:21.160 My, you know, there were editorial back and forth.
00:20:24.000 I guess they didn't like me and they wanted me.
00:20:26.760 And I was a good target for them.
00:20:29.540 How do you think she then won a Pulitzer?
00:20:31.660 That's what's stunning to me.
00:20:32.740 It kind of makes the entire system fraudulent because to to win a Pulitzer, it has to be such detailed.
00:20:38.940 You looked at every angle.
00:20:39.880 You've explored every case.
00:20:41.220 I mean, I barely looked at this case before I realized something was very wrong.
00:20:44.680 And I thought you were guilty, by the way.
00:20:46.560 When you and I first got on the phone, I just said, I don't even remember what he was in prison for.
00:20:51.280 But there were so many articles that surely somebody did the due diligence and noticed that he was guilty or confirmed that.
00:20:58.740 And it was, I mean, an hour reading into these transcripts.
00:21:02.460 And I went, what what's going on here?
00:21:04.360 Well, this young man, Clark Patterson, has a detailed article coming out, which will detail piece by piece, you know, every name, every story, every everything that they did and everything they didn't do as reporters.
00:21:21.140 And it is a stunning piece.
00:21:23.740 And it's I hear it's going to be published soon.
00:21:25.980 I don't know where, you know, I mean, but I just heard through the grapevine.
00:21:30.240 But and I read a preliminary article and, you know, I'm excited, you know, I mean, to have that out.
00:21:37.680 I hope The New York Times restates its case so I can sue them for defamation.
00:21:43.160 Absolutely.
00:21:43.640 And a question for you, Harvey, you know, somebody was on the red carpet all the time, flying to premieres, flying private.
00:21:51.640 Commanding so much respect in the industry.
00:21:54.860 What is a day in your life like now?