Harvey Weinstein has been accused of rape, sexual assault, sexual harassment, and sexual impropriety in the workplace. In this episode, we discuss the similarities between these accusations and the Hollywood "Drama kid" archetype, and how they relate to Harvey Weinstein.
00:00:00.000All right, guys. Happy Monday. Sorry we are running a few minutes late. There are so many pieces when you're doing this series that you just want to make sure that you dot your I's and cross your T's. So sometimes we take a couple of extra minutes to get everything going. But as always, I promise you it will be well worth the wait. And I am so excited to bring forth this series. I've already explained to you why it's so special to me, mainly because the Me Too movement, I believe, has become an evil manifestation and I have three sons.
00:00:25.960So let's jump right into it. Welcome to episode one of Harvey Speaks.
00:00:42.000All right, guys, so where should we begin? I'm thinking that we should begin with the theater kid archetype. OK, because if there's one thing that I've realized throughout my career in politics and in the media, it's that there is this theater,
00:00:55.940kid archetype that exists. It's real people who dedicate a large portion of their lives to the pursuit of the camera, wanting to make it in Hollywood, wanting to make it as an actor or an actress. Maybe you start as a drama kid.
00:01:09.860I'm not sure. I'm not certain. And I will take your guys opinions on this, that that thirst ever dies within them. And of course, I'm generalizing here. But I find that when I come across these people, now that we're older, they seem to forever be on a quest in the back of their minds for their big break.
00:01:30.120Like, it could still happen, even if they're in their 30s, their 40s, their 50s, their 60s. And so the question then becomes, what happens to these individuals when it never arrives?
00:01:39.640OK, I want you to think about that. What happens if there's a woman who spends a decade or even more of her life trying to make it in Hollywood, only to realize that she's failed?
00:01:48.260Maybe she was even that girl who, before she left her hometown, quietly mocked in the back of her mind the unambitious other women, right?
00:01:58.780The girls from her hometown who married off at the age of 20 and then they immediately started having families.
00:02:04.500Maybe in her youth, she mocked them because, you know, she knew that she had something special.
00:02:09.100She was going to make it. She was leaving her hometown.
00:02:11.100And I think about that because, interestingly enough, in my first book, I wrote an entire chapter about a friend that I used to have who was exactly that sort of an individual.
00:02:21.200And I spoke about her because she was an aspiring actress in Brooklyn.
00:02:25.000And we met interning and just kind of chose different paths in our life.
00:02:29.980I was kind of just wanting to get myself out of student loan debt, willing to take any and every job.
00:02:36.000And she was just sort of this free spirit.
00:02:39.540She described herself as a free spirit and she came from another country and it was all about attending the right parties, meeting the right directors.
00:02:46.400She was just so much cooler than me, you know.
00:02:48.620She was so much cooler than me and more confident than me.
00:03:29.300And I had wondered, even though I was listening to her, whether or not her investment in the Me Too movement was actually her trying to reconcile decisions that she had made in her past.
00:03:39.720Decisions that she had made with producers and people that she thought that, well, if she slept with, they might lead to her getting her big break.
00:03:48.640Anyways, that's all somewhat anecdotal.
00:04:02.860There was so much information that we couldn't dilute it at that time.
00:04:08.060We for sure remember that it began with an explosion, an explosion of journalists and then way too many women to count that were making allegations.
00:04:55.700And it was, of course, then this very big watershed moment that was going to bring down Harvey Weinstein.
00:05:02.320Goodness, you guys, he was arguably the most powerful man in Hollywood.
00:05:07.300And now we had upwards of a hundred women who were claiming that they had been sexually abused, harassed or even raped, which is why he's in prison today.
00:05:17.120But I got to tell you something right away.
00:05:19.740That list, that long list of women who found the cameras and spoke out and said that things happened and you don't really remember whether or not he denied it.
00:05:28.900That list significantly dwindled by the time we got into the courtroom.
00:05:33.020And then even when we were in the courtroom, it dwindled even more.
00:05:36.340However, and I'll tell you why this is one of the very many compelling aspects of this case, how they were able to sort through the women who were just outright lying, meaning women who had definitively never even slept with Harvey Weinstein.
00:05:50.420Some women who he alleges he never even met from the women who had at the very least been intimate with him.
00:05:57.960OK, I'll tell you why, because, of course, when people realize that someone's going down, if you're were a struggling person who wants to make a quick buck and you knew this empire was going to crash, you might be willing to come in for a quick payday.
00:06:11.340And what better way to do that? You could just cry and cry and then describe something terrible that happened.
00:06:17.880Your Honor, he made me fondle his testicles, you know, tears streaming down your face.
00:06:24.320And these sorts of moments happened and Harvey's lawyers would give each other a look, a knowing smirk, a high five, realizing that, yeah, this no one's going to believe this woman.
00:06:37.820And I'll tell you why. The answer to that is because Harvey Weinstein didn't have any testicles.
00:06:44.640He doesn't have any testicles. I told you guys, this is a strange tale with many twists and turns, and this is just one of them.
00:06:52.580But what became a crucial element of the Harvey Weinstein case, something that Harvey probably had considered a curse when it happened to him back in 1999, wound up being something of a blessing to his very many court proceedings.
00:07:06.420Thanks. I want you to check out this headline. OK, it reads Harvey Weinstein's abnormal testicles are key focus of final arguments in trial.
00:07:14.120I am not kidding. This is real. And I'll tell you, the story goes that back in 1999, Harvey Weinstein was diagnosed with something known as Fournier's gangrene.
00:07:24.200OK, it is a extremely rare, but a life threatening infection that impacts the genitals with a rapid tissue destruction.
00:07:34.200Essentially, we're talking about is necrosis, right? It's necrosis. The tissues are dying.
00:07:38.520And I can show you this excerpt from a Variety article. It says during the trial, prosecutors revealed to the jury that Weinstein underwent surgery in 1999 for Fournier's gangrene, which required doctors to remove some of his scrotum.
00:07:52.380That surgery caused pretty noticeable scarring because of an infection. His testicles were actually taken from his scrotum and put into his inner thighs.
00:08:02.220So his testicles were removed and put into his inner thighs in 1999.
00:08:10.060I know you're thinking, Candice, are you making this up? How could this be? Yes, that happened.
00:08:14.220So the list of credible allegations had significantly dwindled.
00:08:20.540OK, and like I told you, really, this came down in New York to two women.
00:08:25.500As we told you, Harvey Weinstein was sentenced in 2020 to 23 years total in New York.
00:08:32.420But 20 of those years for criminal sexual assault in the first degree stemmed from accusations that were made from a production assistant who worked on Project Runway.
00:08:44.840Her name is Miriam, otherwise known as Mimi Haley.
00:08:50.180OK, so 20 years, fellas, 20 years, ladies listening.
00:36:13.100But I would imagine in a world where that happened to me, I probably wouldn't send an email and say lots of love to the person that had conducted those sexual assaults.
00:36:57.740Oh, just one sentence back, which he just must have been so pompous and so arrogant that he didn't even allocate the proper amount of time to wanting to have this relationship or wanting her to like him.
00:37:09.240Because if he had committed these insane assaults, you know, I don't know.
00:37:14.780I just I would imagine that he would want to, you know, make sure that she was happy.
00:38:38.660She comes out with her allegations in 2017.
00:38:40.100She waits another eight years when she's next to Gloria Allred and Harvey Weinstein is going down and she decides to present this story as her having been sexual assaulted.
00:38:54.000Like I said, she broke down crying on the stand.
00:38:56.040And that was enough in New York to give him 20 years.
00:39:03.180Now, when we take a look at the transcript and we start hearing and looking at more information about that time that he barged into her apartment, you know, when Damon Chernis is able to put her on the stand and ask her questions about that setup of the apartment.
00:39:20.680And you learn that there was not just one door in which she had to buzz him into and he burst into it, you know, burst through it.
00:39:29.220There was also a second security door that you would have to be buzzed into.
00:39:34.100And she is not really sure how he goes, doesn't really remember the details of how he got past that one.
00:39:40.660And then we learned that the layout of that apartment actually required him to go right and then left in order to get to her open door.
00:39:53.040And I am telling you, when I'm reading this transcript, I'm thinking if a girl did not want you to come to her apartment, to be inside of her apartment, you've got two security doors.
00:40:30.440And again, this is another one of her memory lapses when Damon Churnis, the lawyer, starts asking her about this trip to L.A. that she says she got invited to because of a movie premiere.
00:40:41.000Then we learned that she was in L.A. for two weeks and that Harvey paid for that trip.
00:40:44.340And then Damon kind of says, hey, how long do movie premieres usually last?
00:40:48.920And she says, you know, I'm paraphrasing here, one night.
00:40:52.500And so we were there for two weeks and Harvey paid for this trip.
00:40:55.380Yeah, she doesn't remember how that happened after he barged into her apartment, but recalls maybe that she and then Damon shows her an email, another email that she sent to the Weinstein company where she says, hey, yeah.
00:41:08.900Harvey said that he would help me get to Los Angeles and then Damon Churnis, Harvey's lawyer, is able to show in her calendar entry that on June 26th, actually, she had gone out to buy her friend who had a baby in L.A. a gift.
00:41:32.280So before Harvey, before this movie premiere offer, which she alleges was the reason for her going to L.A., she had plans to go to L.A.
00:41:42.780So that, I guess, was serendipitous, serendipitous.
00:41:46.240Or as Damon kind of presents, he was just paying for her to go to L.A.
00:41:53.660And this wasn't really about a movie premiere.
00:42:12.880Again, I don't want to make any implications here because he was found guilty, guys.
00:42:18.300And there's so much more that I'm going to tell you about Mimi, this woman who kind of enjoyed these father-like relationships, these mentor-like relationships.
00:42:27.820And truly, guys, she just felt like a hobo.
00:42:30.240And it's really sad that this 30-year-old woman just couldn't, I guess, didn't have enough life experience to know about these pitfalls of men in their hotel rooms and robes.
00:42:42.620And even when the signs were there and he asked for a massage and, you know, those parts get really hazy.
00:42:48.660And so the New York courts said that she was a victim.
00:42:53.620And what's really compelling, by the way, is to when you hear all these people pretending to be outraged that the appellate court said, what happened here?
00:43:04.720And one of the things that one of the judges says, and we'll get to that transcript tomorrow or in our next installment of this when they're reviewing this case, is they go, why were certain people even allowed to testify?
00:43:16.480Why? Because it almost looks to this judge, the appellate judge, that they didn't have the evidence really to convict Harvey.
00:43:23.820So they just kind of allowed this sort of banana court thing to happen where they let people testify about all sorts of things.
00:43:29.180Like Bob Weinstein, his brother, Harvey once got into a fight with his brother.
00:43:35.140OK, why is this being allowed in this courtroom?
00:43:37.680What does that have to do with anything?
00:43:38.620What does that have to do with anything happening?
00:43:41.900So if you if you get into a fistfight with your brother or you punch your brother, it means that you're a rapist.
00:43:47.120But what is it was all about just like character assassination, you know?
00:43:51.240Oh, Harvey one time, you know, didn't pay me or something.
00:43:55.820And just like assassinating his character.
00:44:05.160I want you to imagine you or someone you love.
00:44:08.100Maybe it's your woman watching your husband, your brother, your son gets 20 years in prison.
00:44:20.10020 years in prison for this relationship that of Mimi Haley lost now goes by Mimi Haley.
00:44:29.460And nobody really cares to look into this and to recognize that.
00:44:35.700There's some strange things that I think went down here.
00:44:38.940Anyways, we're going to stop there for today.
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00:49:07.240And finally, I know you're very supportive over your female co-stars as well.
00:49:11.300Blake Lively, how are you hoping to support her during this time?
00:49:14.600I mean, I just I just it's it's a tough situation.
00:49:19.500And I I just hope everyone remembers what the movie is about and why we made it in the first place.
00:49:25.520And it's about love and it's about supporting women in general and and helping people through tough times.
00:49:34.320And that movie has helped so many people. And I just want people to remember like what it's about and why we made it.
00:49:39.620And to kind of keep it on that, that kind of like core ethos, you know what I mean?
00:49:45.200Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Say a bunch of words and also say absolutely nothing.
00:49:49.960I get it. Brandon, so much easier. Just say sorry. So much easier.
00:49:54.140But you will know, by the way, that that was the Hollywood Reporter.
00:49:56.900OK, the Hollywood Reporter is the one that is like unbelievably Team Blake and Team Ryan.
00:50:01.140And Ari Emanuel's got power with the Hollywood Reporter. So they set him up for that, trying to get him to say something great about Blake Lively.
00:50:07.200And that failed. And he just kind of backed out and just mumble, jumbo jumbo mumbled his way out of that one.
00:50:14.700That's kind of amazing. Also, a quick update.
00:50:17.360The there is a legal filing today in the Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively Me Too case.
00:50:22.440The first ever to be a Me Too case that I would say was orchestrated by a man, Ryan Reynolds.
00:50:27.140That is my take on that situation. But the court is going to post an audio only access for the press and the public to have access to an upcoming hearing regarding their protective order.
00:50:40.320I am so there. I will be covering it. Do not worry about it. I will be there.
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00:51:52.600Jandy writes, I actually caught it live. You're amazing.
00:51:55.080Always keeping you and your family in my thoughts and prayers.
00:51:57.540Sneaking from work really quick just to donate and say that.
00:52:00.420Jandy, thank you so much. That is so kind of you.
00:52:03.900Myla says, I have worked in the industry for 15 years and have seen many women throw themselves onto the casting couch for that leading role.
00:52:32.580God bless you and always keep your faith.
00:52:35.320This person anonymously writes, as a woman who has been abducted and raped, you would never, and I mean never, reach out to that person, let alone reach out like this year after year, time and time again.
00:52:45.980And you know what? I'm so happy you said that because I didn't want to then end up with a bunch of rape victims being like, no, that's just like that's protocol.
00:53:00.040But I had that instinct that maybe people who have lived through rape, which is, by the way, a huge reason that I do this series and what I hate about the Me Too movement is it completely cheapens the word rape.
00:53:12.100So people that survive an abduction and a real rape and real sexual assaults have to contend with a movement of women who perhaps are engaging in something consciously.
00:53:24.100Perhaps. I'm not here to paint a picture about Mimi.
00:53:27.460She won. Don't want to get in trouble, but I'm just reading you the facts of his case and it's going to get even crazier, you guys.
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